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More on Duluth police shooting controversy
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
“I would like Bill Allen to weigh in on this debate. He wrote the article that started this, and I would like to hear from him.” So says Concerned Citizen, one commenter of many to my last blog.
My last blog concerned the incident between City of Duluth police officer Jay Dailey and Fulton County police officer Paul Phillips. I said that Officer Dailey is innocent until proven guilty. He has only been charged, not tried and convicted. In no way should Mr. Dailey’s actions be attributed to the city of Duluth Police Department. I said that there is more going on than what meets the eye, and like many of you, I will talk about this among my friends and neighbors. It is human nature.
And talk you did. Almost 200 comments from when last I checked. Some I felt were thoughtful comments. Some I felt were unnecessarily hostile. Mostly, I was pleased to see the community take part in such a vigorous discussion. Here, then, are some of my thoughts.
My sympathies go to Officer Phillips of the Fulton County Police Department for being a standup guy and for doing his duty. He reminds us of how honorable and noble police officers can be. I, for one, am grateful for your service, sir.
My sympathies also extend to the family of Officer Dailey. They find themselves in the middle of a hailstorm not of their creation. I may be upset with Officer Dailey, but I cannot extend that anger to his family. They need to heal as well as the other victims in this horrid incident.
Former Cop, another commenter, said, “… the good cop puts himself in harms way to stop this crime and save the lives of numerous people.” He also said, “traffic tickets are one of the main reasons citizens [don’t] like the police.” I agree with him on both counts.
Nobody likes to get a ticket. It makes citizens nervous when police in a smaller town toe a fine line between strict law enforcement and abuse of power. Towns in Georgia like Ludowici and Lake City are prime examples of using their police force for garnering revenue more so than protecting the public. Research those towns to get some background information.
What is that fine line? As citizens, we can and must be vigilant in asking that question. From a journalist standpoint, it would be unethical to sling accusations with no proof of any wrongdoing. We must also walk a fine line between tough reporting and abuse of power. There are numerous examples of when journalists have crossed that fine line.
Sometimes, everybody gets it right. Sometimes, it becomes an ugly, avoidable mess. If, as commenter Jais says, there are people in authority who are looking into some allegations regarding the police department, then let them do their job. And if, as he says, there are council members and citizens doing their duty to research any improprieties, I thank them for their vigilance.
“Corruption” is not a word to be used casually. Good people get hurt when that net gets cast too broadly. So, too, do some recipients of traffic violations. The best comment I received was this: If you do not like the way things are, change them. Get involved, talk to your leaders. But if you put nothing in, you get nothing out.
Great discussion. Thank you all for your input
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By Jais AAA duluth
February 27, 2008 11:20 AM | Link to this
I don’t use the word corruption lightly. They are a corrupt city police force and are now in the public eye. I still stand by everything I said, the proper people are looking into it. If anyone hasn’t noticed they have really backed off on their abuses and started actually doing some work around this town, as the ajc reported on the 5 people deported in a raid.
this still is not enough for a police department with their lavish budget, but it’s a start. Lets hope this continues.
By Jim
February 27, 2008 11:40 AM | Link to this
Let’s clarify one thing in this discussion. Officer Dailey is not innocent until proven guilty…he is “presumed” innocent until guilty. He may actually be guilty, or innocent for that matter, but the presumption of innocence is a legal right that an accused has in many moder nations.
By Jais AAA duluth
February 27, 2008 12:01 PM | Link to this
astute observation.
In case where the officer is basically caught red-handed (i’m sure that hand was VERY red at the time) what is your opinion? Let’s put all the traffic nonsense, dui yadda yadda aside and talk about this for a moment. Does anyone think he’s innocent? really?
Corrupt? Inept, undeserving, dangerous- these might be better words. They are still a problem until they change to words like fair, honest,or dependable. I would prefer trustworthy, too. My little encounter with Daily was a brush with a badge-wearing madman in my honest opinion, and it distresses me to have to work so close to this mess. What if there’s another? Hell, what if Daily was just a ‘the shield’ style thug, and only one of several operating out of this department? There have been instances where this PD shot at each other, beat and/or injured civilians regarding minor offenses, turned neighborhoods into war zones over mysterious sounding events…all these are proven facts availible to the public in the form of police records. This much, at least, is not speculation. Those events happened.
Luckily when i started making calls about it after the chill i got reading the story saturday morning,they did not fall upon deaf ears.
logically, anyone with half a brain starts to wonder at what might happen if there ARE more. This isn’t stupid, it’s not unfounded and not imaginary. It makes one think that despite doing nothing wrong, there could be a scenario where one of these guys like Daily might come along, kill you and get away with it like that Peterson guy. I have too much to lose regardless of public opinion on the matter, so action was taken. Anyone who feels the same should act as well.
By Concerned Citizen
February 27, 2008 12:44 PM | Link to this
I’m back, sorry I lost interest towards the end of that last debate.
AAA,
You want to let every DUI go, but you are ready to convict a Cop before his day in court. He may be guilty, he’s probably guilty. Wouldn’t you want to be “innocent until proven guilty”? I’m assuming Peterson” was the officer that yanked the uncooperative DUI lady out of the car by her hair? If I remember correctly a Grand Jury said he did nothing wrong? He was also hired by another police department? Please, you just have a bone to pick with the Duluth Police because they arrested your Korean exchange student girlfriend. This is not “corruption.” This is one cop who had an obvious mental breakdown. I don’t buy into the “not guilty by reason of insanity” either. He did it crazy or not and he should be punished the same. Instead of coming up with wild “corruption” rumors, lets find a way to make sure safety nets are in place to prevent our police from snapping again.
Bill Allen,
No I don’t feel sorry for Daily’s family. His sister comes on the last blog telling us how wonderful her brother is and how his family is suffering. I still haven’t heard an apology from Daily or his family to Officer Phillips? Lets start taking responsibility for our actions. If Daily’s wife didn’t see this obvious mental breakdown coming then she is an idiot and not deserving of my sympathy!
By Jais AAA duluth
February 27, 2008 1:30 PM | Link to this
just another reason why concerned is a social leper.
By jester
February 27, 2008 2:34 PM | Link to this
Concerned, why does Daily’s family have to suffer for his actions? Do you believe that his wrongful actions should be punished by the system, and his family shunned by society? Are you serious? What is wrong with you, man?
By bill allen
February 27, 2008 7:18 PM | Link to this
Concerned,
A couple of things. I think the “Peterson” to whom AAA was referring was Drew Peterson, the “person of interest” in the disappearance of his wife, Stacey, and the death of his third wife, whose death was recently changed by the medicalexaminer from accidental to homicide. I’ve no wish to put words in his mouth, merely to offer a suggestion.
Second, if I suggested that you felt sorry for Dailey’s wife, I apologize. I prefaced my comments with, “Here are a few of my thoughts.” I did not mean to imply that I was agreeing with something that you had previously said. Forgive me for being unclear.
Third, if Dailey is innocent until proven guilty, then I assume that he has a right to legal counsel. Any counsel, public defender or paid barrister, would make sure that neither Dailey nor his family would issue any public apology until the litigation is resolved. Any attorney who would suggest otherwise could well answer to the State Bar Association. As to what Dailey or his family might say to Officer Phillips or his family in private, I am not privvy to that. Nor should I be. It’s private.
Could any wife predict how a spouse would react in a state of obvious and admitted incoherence? I find it hard to believe that she could. Maybe she could, I don’t know. If she could, arrest her too. If there is a reasonable doubt that she couldn’t know (and in my mind, I have such doubt), then she has my sympathy. We may agree to disagree.
What I do believe is that many people’s lives were hurt by Dailey’s actions. I think you can agree with that. I am grateful that Officer Philips will have many more days to fight. I think you can agree with that too. And I agree with you that we need to make sure safety nets are in place to prevent our police from snapping again.
By Jais AAA duluth
February 28, 2008 11:10 AM | Link to this
It would make me feel a whole lot better if we just fired them all after everything settles and replace the lot with screened individuals.
By Gregory
February 28, 2008 11:12 AM | Link to this
no you dolt, you know what’s scary? The thought of concerned living in this town.
By Tim
March 3, 2008 12:28 PM | Link to this
Isn’t all of this just a lot of overkill? It seems simple to me. 1. If Daily is found guilty, he needs to be properly punished. Details of why he went off the deep end will surely surface at trial. 2. Anyone who blames his family is an idiot. 3. Anyone who thinks all small town police departments nationwide should be shut down in the wake of such an event,,, is an idiot. 4. Anyone who compares what Daily supposedly did to what another officer supposedly did some time back, then uses that to decide the fate of a whole department,,, is an idiot. 5. Welcome to America. Crap Happens. That is why we have Laws. And when things happen that shouldn’t we usually try to change the laws to make the system work better. Now, we really only have two things that need to be stated about the incident. The Fulton County Officer gets a BIG Hoorah for doing his job and putting his life on the line. The Duluth Officer, if the story as as it seems, will be convicted of a crime and sentenced accordingly. He will then hopefully get some help and get his life back on track. There really isn’t anything more to this story.
By You Forgot
March 3, 2008 11:06 PM | Link to this
All the talk about Daily! What about the female motorist he tried to kill and people are wonder if Daily is innocent.
Give another though and look closer it could have been your mother,sister,wife,or even your daughter in that car. Most of all it could have been YOU !!!!!!.
By Gregory
March 4, 2008 11:18 AM | Link to this
No, tim…YOU are being the idiot. There’s plenty of corruption in this state, all the way up to the governer’s office and beyond. If you cannot see this then a: you are an idiot.
By Jais AAA duluth
March 4, 2008 11:35 AM | Link to this
boy tim are you WRONG. There’s plenty more to it. This police department is so notorious in this city that even the NEW MAYOR agrees they are out of control.
anyone who needs proof should just call their department any time of day or night. It will become quite clear what their motives are.
The idea here, tim, is that there ARE more dangerous, unstable corrupt individuals in this department than Daily and everyone around them knows it. The code of silence keeps these dangerous criminals safe as they operate organized crime and extortion rings from within a police department under little oversight- the perfect cover for these people.
this is not the shield. This is real life and we have our officers shooting at eachother. Daily’s scariest comment I read was “my finger is tired.” He NOT ONLY shot at this guy, he was planning on killing him, wearing his bullet-proof vest beneath his street clothes and fired 16 TIMES, your standard issue police handgun holds 12, meaning he reloaded, meaning he’d brought EXTRA AMMO to finish any job he started.
guys…people…this is not rocket science. ANYWHERE this guy has worked should be investigated. This wasn’t a sudden, unexpected snap…people in this town have been afraid of Daily for YEARS. Need proof? start using google, reading the news or talking to the citizens. Fact is you’re not, haven’t and don’t intend to. This blog is for the people this issue affects, please stfu if you are not one OF them, thank you.
By Tim
March 4, 2008 10:39 PM | Link to this
Isn’t the internet great? People can just throw out any claim they like, and since Logic and Critical Thinking are non-existent they can convict whole groups of people with a few typewritten words. When the whole Duluth Police Department does not get fired, what will you say then? I would guess a Conspiracy Theory that your next least favorite group covered up all the corruption, and allowed all of these out of control officers to walk free. This could be related to the Aliens landing at Roswell, N.M. for cryin’ out loud! I drove through Duluth this morning and I could tell those cops were up to no good. LOL You people are imbeciles.
By Mark
March 5, 2008 8:58 AM | Link to this
You would have to be an egotistical moron to want to be a cop in the first place. I have no respect for the Barney Fifes whatsoever…
By Jais AAA duluth
March 5, 2008 10:51 AM | Link to this
Tim, you’re concerned citizen. This is a blog and i am not required to MAIL you proff or post it. The proof is clearly visible and available at county records,or with the fbi’s records, or in the newspapers…dude…you’re a g******* moron. Start reading the news more or go to the station and request these records. (They will pertain to internal affairs division) and you will begin to see a pattern.
I personally am no moron just ‘driving past’ and suspecting these things. I had a rather disturbing run-in with daily shortly before the shooting took place and HAVE repeat HAVE been corresponding with law enforcement agencies about this, as have the mayor and city council and a number of endangered citizens. You, sir…should do your homework before you spout-off about how you’re right and we’re ALL wrong.
Wake up you deluded soccer mom…lest you be the next person attacked by a Duluth cop.
I would like to remind all of these viewers about a few FACTS in this case:
a: Daily was a quiet one who had few friends in the department. Few meaning not many but some. -officers statements to press
b: Daily was wearing a bullet proof vest concealed beneath street clothes. Why? Because he was aware he might get shot at that night.
c: Daily was found by the gwinnet pd with a gun stashed in his belt and another in his pocket, fully loaded. Why? He wasn’t working security at the strip mall…that much is certain. It was likely to kill anyone who crossed him.
d: Daily fired, advanced on phillips when struck, and continued cautiously approaching his squad cruiser. When he darted around the machine to attack, phillips proved the smarter, more seasoned fighter, and was waiting for it. Why did dailey come around the car cautiously? intent of premeditated murder. He intended to kill phillips, kill the bystander and take off before detected. Daily fired a total of 16 shots, a standard issue 9mm semiauto handgun holds around 12, meaning he reloaded with the intent of killing phillips. this also means he brought extra ammo for his man-stopper, which means he left his home/work that day looking to drop some bodies.
e: Daily has, TO THIS DAY, been completely unintelligible and scattered about the entire subject. Investigators feel he was using drugs and alchohol at the time he was apprehended.
This all leads me back to my original statement: IT IS not just one. I think the people of this town know a lot more about it than you, sir. What are you doing about the situation? I’ve tried to do all I can do. Surprisingly, and to my relief, if you call the right people and tell them what you know, things can and DO get done. I can promise you my attentions weren’t the only ones caught by this critical mass of Duluth Police corruption and senseless escapades. And they won’t be the last.
Tim…i really urge you to wake up. People only know what they’re told, Tim. You’re the prime example. Go out there, DO your research, check your facts and references. This issue obviously doesn’t concern you, so it’s a joke to you. I was threatened by Daily not but a few weeks before he attempted to kill those people, and back then everyone told me how crazy I was for not trusting him. I am not blind and i DO NOT like being shot. It’s no joke to me, i am a law-biding motorist just like that lady who he pepper sprayed and threatened to kill at gunpoint. I carry a BIG gun now in case it hits the fan around where I live. Thus…my statements, and hopes that it reached some eyes outside the town. I want to see cops I can trust, not cops I get a bad, sinking feeling about whenever they come around. They still refuse to deal with illegal aliens a block from their station, but let guys like Daily walk around on their payroll slinging lead at the populace UNPROVOKED! They had him on PAID LEAVE until it was in the paper that he’d been charged. Any scrupulous department would have dismissed him upon hearing the news.
This is not speculation or anger. this is pure logic and prudence. Everyone can’t stand the sight of Duluth police around here. The majority outweigh you on this, tim. Go back to the station and rough up some colored people or something.
By Mac
March 5, 2008 11:46 AM | Link to this
GGGGGRRRREEEEEAAAATTTTTTTTTTTT
AAA Has a Gun!
By Tim
March 5, 2008 12:13 PM | Link to this
AAA,
I’m leaning more toward Daily being the sane one if given the choice between you and him. I did ask 4 people that I know who have lived in the City all their lives about Daily and whether he was a major problem. They each said, “Who?” Now, it is definitely not worth it to me to “Do my research” because common sense tells me that if a problem existed throughout the whole department as you claim, it would already be handled. Is it possible, and likely that Officer Daily went nuts and was on his way there before the final incident? Sure. Was there a department wide conspiracy to keep a dangerous cop on the payroll? Doubtful.
And ummm, what the heck does “Go back to the station and rough up some colored people or something.” mean? I think I have figured it out. AAA be honest. You are a Democrat aren’t you? I think only a true Blue Lib could go this nuts and jump up and down screaming the sky is falling with no basis but a claim from a few bloggers.
Can you also define “the majority outweigh you”? The truth of the matter is, the majority could care less. The majority of the nutcases probably outweigh me. For future reference, if you find a few people who pat you on the back and say “Boy, you got dat right!” It still probably means you are a radical nutcase. Sorry.
Be sure to show the next officer that pulls you over that you mean business. Show him your gun. LOL
By Jais AAA duluth
March 5, 2008 1:54 PM | Link to this
BASIS OF THE CLAIM IS COLD HARD FACTS, ASSHAT. You can come out of hiding now, we know it’s you concerned. I am not entitled to prove you proof on a blog. Like i said, you refuse to see anything anyone says because you are an utter bufoon who thinks this is all just a silly joke without looking into the situation. You sir, can kiss my a* alongside your two butt buddies who see it your way. Majority still rules =)
By jenksK
March 5, 2008 2:01 PM | Link to this
Load of sh!t. I love how idiots go on about how much they know but don’t even know the area they talk about. If you can;t see what’s up with the PD problems in Duluth you a dumb sum bish. You even ask anyone? AAA has some good points, you have 0% Want to prove there’s nothing wrong? Or does that ‘common sense’ kick in and make you ignore it. you sound like the typical white trash that have come to personify the name GEORGIA.
By Jeff
March 5, 2008 3:26 PM | Link to this
Most Duluth cops that I’ve met are like all other cops, panzy bullies who hide behind a shield and try to provoke citizens. Protect and serve my a#$. I was really amused by the punk cop that drug a woman out of her car and screamed at her in the street, that’s a real man! I wonder how bad he got pounded when he was younger. Some of the guys are alright but we all know a ton who have major attitudes even when off duty. Also, see the latest L&O Gwin blog regarding asking a cop for a ride, they laugh at the notion of giving someone a ride.
By Tim
March 5, 2008 8:09 PM | Link to this
The more you guys talk, the more people see that the problem is not with the police dept. The problem is with a few social rejects. Keep talking…. LOL
By Jais AAA duluth
March 6, 2008 10:01 AM | Link to this
the problem is with you, son.
By Tim
March 6, 2008 11:12 PM | Link to this
I thought the problem was with Officer Daily? I like the cute little “son” add on though, helps to define your personality little by little.
By Jais AAA duluth
March 7, 2008 10:27 AM | Link to this
and i like how you keep on posting and making yourself part of the problem. Come see me some time, son. I got a gun for the likes of you. Tell me, tim…might you be a cop? or concerned citizen like i thought. whatever, son. I’m just glad you ndon’t have any say what goes on around me and never will, kid.
By JakeGG
March 7, 2008 10:33 AM | Link to this
yes, you are part of the problem now, dude. PROVE they are not corrupt. PROVE IT PROVIDE PROOF they do nothing wrong. See…you already lose. The proof is all over the papers. The proof is RIGHT THERE, PAGE 1. yOU’RE A FRIGGIN MORON DUDE. lick cop a* some more you sickening dumbass.
By Tim
March 7, 2008 6:58 PM | Link to this
c’mon… one more time. Tell everyone how you are the poor weak citizen who is being unfairly targeted by the police.
Ok, Proof they are doing nothing wrong. 1. The Duluth Police Dept. has not been charged with any crime. That should do it.
AAA, are you sure you weren’t in the movie Deliverance? Your words sound remarkably like the scene where Ned Beatty was attacked. Um, son.
I truly have nothing to do with the police dept. I have a healthy respect for police officers, and think the Duluth officers have their work cut out for them with people like you running around.
Skip the gun talk nutcase. You are going to get yourself hurt with that kind of attitude. Anyone who has any sense at all would take their case through the proper channels rather than making anonymous threats on a friggin’ Blog. Um, son.
When you are going to sleep toight, right before you doze off, think deeply and wonder, is it really you that has the problem? Is it really you that is angry with the world? Is it really all your fault your world isn’t what you wished it to be? Your conscience will give you the answer. Then you can stop blaming society and get yourself some help. Um, son.
By Jais AAA Duluth
March 9, 2008 3:53 AM | Link to this
Fck you, d*******. Only person around here getting hurt is you if I see you punk. Talk your sht to my face and it’s a different story. Se you out there f*******.
By Tim
March 12, 2008 9:56 AM | Link to this
Ahhh yes…. The truth comes out. Always seems that the biggest criminals want to portray themselves as the victims…. Then they can’t shut up. Thank You Duluth Police for keeping us safe.
By ultimagrl
March 12, 2008 11:20 AM | Link to this
AAA,
A couple of your facts are wrong.
AAA says: “I would like to remind all of these viewers about a few FACTS in this case:”
“b: Daily was wearing a bullet proof vest concealed beneath street clothes. Why? Because he was aware he might get shot at that night.”
DailEy was not wearing the bullet proof vest beneath his street clothes. It was OVER his street clothes. Additionally, this incident happened at approximately 1 pm, so I’m not clear as to why you think Dailey was aware he might get shot at that night.
“d: Daily fired, advanced on phillips when struck, and continued cautiously approaching his squad cruiser.”
All I can say to this part is that is has absolutely no basis in fact related to this case.
“When he darted around the machine to attack, phillips proved the smarter, more seasoned fighter, and was waiting for it.”
Again, there is no basis in fact for this statement other than that Phillips was and is the more seasoned fighter and was able to survive the initial attack.
“Why did dailey come around the car cautiously? intent of premeditated murder. He intended to kill phillips, kill the bystander and take off before detected.”
Again, there is no basis in fact for this statement other than Dailey was going to cause some type of harm and potentially try to harm many people.
“Daily fired a total of 16 shots, a standard issue 9mm semiauto handgun holds around 12, meaning he reloaded with the intent of killing phillips.”
One - there was no 9mm involved in the incident.
Two - according to the Brady bill, L.E./Mil weapons carry more rounds than the general public are allowed to have in a weapon. Civilians are limited to 10 rounds; the police are not.
Obviously you have enough information to be dangerous but not enough true information to be credible.
And before you call my facts into question…all I’ll say is that my last name is PHILLIPS by marriage and let you figure the rest out from there.
By Mac
March 12, 2008 3:27 PM | Link to this
Mrs. Phillips,
YOU GO GIRL!!!!! That jack a@@ has been driving everybody crazy!!!!!
I hope your husband makes a speedy recovery & is back out there protecting us & doing his job well, even if that does include AAA.
By KIller
March 14, 2008 10:41 AM | Link to this
no you friggin morons, there WAS a 9mm handgun at the scene. AAA is pretty much accurate. They hold 12 rounds, anyone who says otherwise is a stooge who needs to learn what he/she is talking about.
My beretta holds 12, and there is no gun law that says what you claim. Looks like you’re just as big an idiot, huh? I’ll put my money on YOU’RE A BIGGER IDIOT.
Start reading, folks…this is not the first duluth cop to freak out and shoot someone. Last time it was two duluth cops shooting eachother.
By Jais AAA duluth
March 14, 2008 10:47 AM | Link to this
LOL ok ultimagrl i got a NEWS FLASH- you aren’t the wife of phillips. haha what a fckin moron.
oh…and those statements came straight off of a police report from gwinnet county…you want to say that again moron? I don’t have my facts straight? No honey. Those are all STILL facts. Nothing you’re gonna blog about is going to change those.
This police report is available as PUBLIC DOMAIN online. go see it for yourself a*****.
Even people coming lately like KILLER there know a 9mm was at the scene. It was his issued police gun, which they issue in 9mm to the dpd. Lol…don’t speak up unless you have some stuff straight, people.
By Gregory
March 14, 2008 10:54 AM | Link to this
Um…yes, ultimagrl…Daily was arrested with a police vest on UNDER his clothes. Read about it here.
you really shouldn’t speak up about things when you have no idea what you mean. Didn’t anyone ever tell you that? Although AAA is a bit rough around the edges at least he doesn’t lie.
By Joan
March 14, 2008 11:24 AM | Link to this
my god…look at all the stupid posturing…
grl, who cares? The b******* was found at the scene with TWO guns and a bp vest. what else do you need?
all you people who think cops do no wrong, think again. You are posting on a blog about a cop shooting another cop. I rest my case.
By Jais AAA duluth
March 14, 2008 11:31 AM | Link to this
Mac-
I don’t need their protection. never did. If i see someone trying to harm me I shoot them in the face. End of story. Same goes for corrupt cops. If, in the future, Daily is released and I see him…he’s shoot on sight.
By Paul schaeffer
March 14, 2008 11:54 AM | Link to this
Any of you people even come to duluth? My money is on no.
WHENEVER, when EVER you have an incident like this it is ALWAYS because of a larger, underlying problem. I will beleive they are corrupt- I’ve seen it.
we’ve got some really deluded lap-dog types in here. This is typical of the white trash in this state and the feeble-minded government mules who work the desks and phones around here.
I love this concerned guy and his two friends. PROOF PROOF! Need I remind you about the dozen or so incidents that happened before this? The fact is all the proof you need is there for your inspection, but you refuse to acknowledge it. It is this kind of thinking that allowed Daily to stalk around the streets on our payroll.
I checked up on the situation recently, and no, the man was arrested with a 9MM parabellum semi-automatic handgun, a revolver in his pocket and ammunition for both weapons. He DID come around the car and fire again, the words came from Phillip’s own mouth and are printed on the report. The gun was his standard-issue LE handgun, and yes, it holds 12 rounds. He was confirmed as having reloaded the weapon during the firefight.
the details are all at the county website, I’m no good with links but it is there and the reports AREN’T fake. You people would learn a thing or two by reading them.
By ultimagrl
March 14, 2008 2:38 PM | Link to this
AAA - “LOL ok ultimagrl i got a NEWS FLASH- you aren’t the wife of phillips. haha what a fckin moron.”
Nice language. I’m a moron, huh? News flash for you…I have a marriage certificate that proves otherwise. Don’t judge a screen name by its cover….you never who might be behind it.
I didn’t say that you lied or that what you wrote wasn’t based in fact, but it has definitely been embellished to your liking and I was pointing that out. You’ve come here and spouted pages of your views and opinions (in fact, there are some things I even agree with). But when I see that you’re mixing fact and fiction related to what my husband did or didn’t do, I expressed my views based on what I know from my husband who was actually at the shooting and not what I read off a report. Of course, I am limited in what I can say because of a PENDING investigation and court case which you may be jeopardizing by putting “facts” out into a public forum.
And just so you know, I’ve seen my husband’s police issued magazines and both his 9mm and .40 cal weapons hold 15 rounds with one in the pipe -that’s 16 rounds. Anyone can check with their local LEO to verify this.
By Former Cop
March 14, 2008 3:39 PM | Link to this
AAA - I got news for you aaa sh is actually his wife and Glock Model 22’s (.40) do have 15 round magazines, Glock Model 17’s (9mm) have 17 round magazines, Berreta Model 92’s (9mm) have 15 round magazines. And high capacity magazines were banned under the assault weapons ban, but G.W. let the ban expire. You know how to use Google don’t you? See for yourself. I think that Paul (who is one of my best friends and who has been wearing a bullet proof vest for over 10 years AND held Dailey at gun point for about 8 minutes) would recognize a bullet proof vest so I choose to believe him and his wife. But I guess that we are not really friends are we and I’m just making that up so maybe you will believe that I really was a former cop. LOL
Gregory - I would like to see the report but that still does not change the facts per Phillips. BTW how about someone posting a link to where that report can be viewed because I seriously doubt it is out there, prove me wrong!
By Former Cop
March 14, 2008 3:48 PM | Link to this
This is what the Gwinnett county police say about police reports and it seems you have to do it in person or in writing not on the internet. Also this is an active case so most of the details are going to be excluded from the report. I look forward to seeing that report shortly. Thanks.
http://www.gwinnettcounty.com/cgi-bin/gwincty/egov/ep/gcbrowse.do?channelId=-536882174&channelPage=%2Fep%2Fchannel%2Fdefault.jsp&pageTypeId=536880236
By Jay's sister
March 14, 2008 5:08 PM | Link to this
Mrs. Phillips, I am so sorry for what you and your family are going through. I pray frequently for your husband’s full recovery. I can’t read this blog it is too upsetting to me, but my words are very sincere. There is no joke here, no buts, nothing just my sincerest apology. Vicki
By ultimagrl
March 14, 2008 6:23 PM | Link to this
Vicki - Thank you for your thoughts and prayers. They are greatly appreciated.
By Triallawyer
March 19, 2008 12:07 PM | Link to this
I found myself amazed at this article, so I read about it and took a look. When I went to central for some reports, I had a look see at the facts- most of what jais aaa claims is the truth. I would now invite you to prove your end of the argument. Are you truly a former cop, jays sister and the wife of phillips? Let’s hear some verifiable facts from now on. If I know anything about blogs, at least three of you on this one are the same person.
I have prosecuted a number of cases over the years that involved ‘corruption’ in the police department, including two from this department. I won’t make speculation, but I am aware of very androgynous laws in that city and even moreso disputable practices. As I recall it, the rest of the city council is kept at a healthy distance by their cheif of police- Randall Belcher. This is an election year, and I recommend that the citizens of Duluth nominate and elect a more fit leader for their police force.
It has also become painfully clear that police in general have to start doing the right thing and stop doing the wrong thing- things like frivilous tickets, trumped-up charges, quoatas, falsified circumstances, tampering with evidence and investigations, use of unauthorized physical violence, abuse of authority and so on, so forth. The cases pile up aginst the system every day, and unlike the average citizen, a LEO has a unique ability in this country to sway a case in his favor, right or wrong. It is very dangerous to have officers like this on any payroll anywhere in this country. It is also maddening to me and frightening all at the same time to know there are whole departments that are,in all reality,nothing but criminal extortion rings ignored by the govermenent.
By Former Cop
March 19, 2008 6:17 PM | Link to this
Well using your reasoning, prove that you are a lawyer, have prosecuted cases against Duluth, aaa works at a DUI school (and is not just some guy convicted of DUI) and it would seem that you are actually aaa! If you were actually a lawyer then you would know that there is no such thing as ticket quotas because they are against state and federal law as I have said before.
Ok, ask me a question(s) that you think I would know if I were a former cop.
By the way aaa we know who you are. LOL
By Former Cop
March 19, 2008 6:42 PM | Link to this
BTW aaa I am still waiting for a link to the incident report as it appears on the internet.
By Jais AAA duluth
March 26, 2008 11:04 AM | Link to this
Oh really? you know who I am? Show me, dude. Say my name.
Fact is you DON;T know who I am. You’ve never seen me or talked to me. You should just stfu as far as trying to prove anything , bro…you have 0 argument.
If you really who you say you are, come see me. You WILL get shot for screwing around. end of discussion, s**. thanks.
By Screwball
March 26, 2008 11:07 AM | Link to this
I think it’s funny how formercop is the only one defending the police here.
Funny.
By Former Cop
March 27, 2008 8:41 AM | Link to this
aaa - if you are so sure that I don’t know who you are then why are you acting like such a paranoid nut job? The last time I checked Georgia law does not list “screwing around” as justification for shooting someone. BTW do you really want me to post your name? I don’t think you do! Don’t fool yourself into thinking that you are not on the radar both Duluth and Gwinnett Police departments. After your last threat there will probably be some people coming to talk to you but it won’t be me. Freedom of speech does not include threatening to do violence.
I feel sorry for the next dummy who pulls into your driveway, it’s gonna suck to be them (assuming you still have the right to own a gun).
Oh, I wanted to ask you if you were drunk when you posted your last comment?
By Jais AAA duluth
March 27, 2008 3:27 PM | Link to this
Go ahead and post my name buddy.
And yes, you’re not a cop anymore, you screw around with me nobody is gonna save you.
You’ve never seen me, never spoken to me, and never even been around this part of town.
PLEASE by all means, rumplestiltskin that name for me. You have no idea who I am.
And uh…nobody bothers me for the most part. Those, like you, who do are quick to change their minds.
Im pretty damn certain I’m under the radar as you put it. I have nothing to fear from you or the police. Hell, they won’t return a damn voicemail don’t kid yourself former. There’s ilegals all over their station and they do jack about it. I HIGHLY doubt that any of your crying is going to change the fact I have no record and do nothing wrong.
Try again douchebag.
By Former Cop
March 27, 2008 3:39 PM | Link to this
You really have anger management problems don’t you aaa?
By Jais AAA duluth
March 27, 2008 3:48 PM | Link to this
You really don’t know who I am, do you former? Again, all your bs aside. Say my name. Say what color my hair is.
By Jais AAA duluth
March 27, 2008 3:54 PM | Link to this
NO? YOU CAN’T BECAUSE YOU KNOW PRECISELY JACK?
exactly. Just stfu man you make yourself look dumber with every post.
front page of this website “grand jury rips dekalb over shootings, cops may be held accountable for murder charges” is the headline.
Tell me again how cops do no wrong and we need no oversight or investigations? Dude…evidence…pot…kettle, yeah you get it. The proof is all over the news. Just shut your yap man, you lose this one.
By Funny
March 27, 2008 4:59 PM | Link to this
Wonder if all 29 of the people Dekalb shot were black - probably were.
By Former Cop
March 27, 2008 5:48 PM | Link to this
I’ll tell you what aaa when you show me a link to the police report we talked about above I will reveal which of your multiple personalities is really you.
By Jais AAA duluth
March 28, 2008 1:04 AM | Link to this
hahah
Former- you fail at blogging. You fail at your point, too.
By Former Cop
March 28, 2008 9:25 AM | Link to this
Wow, aaa - you claim I’m a failure because you think you beat me at blogging? Okay, I’ll give you that; you’re a better blogger than I am. Your lies are more far fetched and transparent than mine, your reasoning (if you want to call it that) is frighteningly skewed, the number of screen persona’s that you employee at any given time frankly causes me to have real concern for your mental stability.
But the thing that sets you apart Jais AAA duluth, that makes you the champion of all AJC bloggers is you’re ability to create a reality that is both unique and all your own, and then to live in it. You are the envy of young children everywhere because they know that if only they could believe, if only they had the capacity for make-believe that you have….then, and only then could they go to Never Land and play with you peter, and tinker bell and run with the lost boys.
Congratulations Jais AAA duluth! You are The Boy Who Wouldn’t Grow Up!
P.S. Just in case you really are crazy I just want you to know that I’m just joking around. I really do enjoy reading what you have to say and although I have no personal knowledge of Duluth P.D. being corrupt, I always avoid going through Duluth because I don’t want a ticket. Oh, and BTW I don’t know who you are! If you will notice in the comment where I joked that “we know who you are”, I put “LOL” at the end which I meant to imply I was joking, sorry for the misunderstanding!
P.S.S. If you not crazy then I do know who you are and my friends and me have been watching you night and day and we know your every move! LOL <=(Do you see the LOL? That means I’m just joking around again, don’t shoot me!)
By Jais AAA duluth
March 28, 2008 10:49 AM | Link to this
you sir, will always remain a friggin idiot.
yet another police force in this state is under investigation for
wait for itcorruption.
I don;t know what kind of drugs you’re on, but that whole ‘skewed reality’ speech was yet another FAIL. Buddy, you’re the only one living in a dream world.
5 cops have killed their wives, pregnant girlsfriends or other people in the past year.
Daily of duluth pd was taken in for attempting to kill an off duty police officer with a bp vest and a standard issue hangun.
scot peterson is still free, despite a medical examiner’s finding that his last wife died by homicide.
two chiefs of police this year have resigned under corruption charges.
Dekalb police are under investigation by internal affairs, a grand jury has found them to be guilty of wrongdoing.
Duluth police are under investigation for corruption
Illegals remain in our town despite laws in effect that state they are to be deported. The police ignore them.
all this information is ALL OVER THE NEWS. I hate to break it to ya former….but everyone else in this country is right and YOU…are wrong, sir. You are also very sheltered and biased toward anyone who isn’t a government lap-dog, which also makes anything you say suspect.
You lose this one, former. Give it up.
By Mac
April 1, 2008 7:46 AM | Link to this
ONE officer out of 12 is going to be investigated in DKPD. Get your facts straight……..The others were called JUSTIFIED you freaking moron…..Grand Jury, DA, etc cleared all others…Gosh, didn’t think this blog was still going…So are we going from Duluth PD to DKPD???
It’s quite apparent AAA is a cop hater….Probably will always be one until a cop saves his A@@ one day. AAA doesn’t have the kahones to admit it……
Hey Bill Allen - let’s start a blog about DKPD…….I’d have PLENTY to say…….
By Jais AAA duluth
April 1, 2008 11:23 AM | Link to this
you need to get YOUR facts straight you imbred moron.
Naw, I like good cops, I just don;t see any. What i see is dangerous men wearing badges that should be locked up, like Daily.
Oh- by the way, dekalb has been investigated like 12 times and still has a few pending. Dekalb has the highest turnover of any law enforcement agency in the state. This is because they are racist a s s wipes.
You got anything else smart to say mac? Oh i forgot- you’re white trash you don’t have anything to say.
you lose this one, too mac. Go the fack home.
By Mac
April 1, 2008 11:44 AM | Link to this
http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/dekalb/stories/2008/03/27/shootjury_0328.html
we’re talking cops here, not ME’s………..DKPD can’t help the fact of all the thugs like DeKalb….
like i said before 11 out of the 12 were justified…..All depts have a high turn over rate…that’s a known fact as being a police officer is not the easiest job in the world…you damn couldn’t do it AAA…Your dumb as@ would have been shot already by the thugs you hang with…..that’s funny, I know SEVERAL DKPD, white, black, purple & pink. & all have years & years & years on the same force…which is DKPD…..I dare you to try….You wouldn’t last through the 1st day of the academy…Oh, Know some instructors there as well…..
By Jais AAA duluth
April 1, 2008 12:17 PM | Link to this
I was a marine you dumb sum bish, I DID alot worse than those wimps at dkpd. Yes I will apply, mop up with that joke and quit on my first day. Being a cop is turning into an extortionist profession.
As for your scrub white trash argument that I need police around? don’t make me laugh. I never called the police outside of a traffic accident. Fact is I don’t need to- I carry my gun, an extra clip and that’s all I’ll ever need.
Go on, tell me about how more police are spotless when there’s a report nearly every day about some wicked-psycho cop blowing someone away or making them ‘vanish’ or some other boolsht. I read yesterday a cop raped some girl? Yeah.
You can seriously STFU you dumb redneck. You and this frigtard former are both ex cops and ANYTHING you say is suspect.
By Mac
April 1, 2008 1:17 PM | Link to this
There may be stories every day about cops in some way, shape, form or fashion in the news daily……. But there are 30 times the news about YOU thugs out there they are trying to rid for the public…Do the math……..OOOHHHH Big Guy, owns a gun AND an extra clip..And who cares if you own a gun???I sure the hell don’t….Military -big deal…I am former military myself & appreciate MOST marines, but you are the stereo-typical bonehead, jarhead, you dumb as@.. How many military personnel “lose it or rape, steal, kill, etc outside the line of duty??? Seem to have forgotten that in all your blogs….What about them???… Your rude, stupid as@ racist blogs is all I need to know on how “educated” you are…..Why does everything you blog about turn into a racial issue…..? Somebody doesn’t agree with you, your right, we’re wrong??….Your the as@ wipe here. Go to hell you uneducated “former” marine, dui teacher (joke in itself, I’ll leave it alone), no life, punk as@ !!!!!!!!
By Mac
April 1, 2008 1:28 PM | Link to this
You also have zero clue what my race is….. =-/
By Mac
April 1, 2008 1:53 PM | Link to this
Let me TRY to educate you AAA:
In the circle of life— races, professions,etc there are:
good cops/bad cops good postal workers/bad postal workers good relationships/bad relationships good military personnel/bad military personnel good people in all races/ bad people in all races good bosses/bad bosses good govt/bad govt GOOD GUYS / BAD GUYS
Are you catching on here? You must one very lonely, corrupted (LOL - ironic), angry very busy blogger…..Still haven’t proven your point since day ONE…….
By Jais AAA duluth
April 1, 2008 5:05 PM | Link to this
save your stupid commentary a* wipe, you are done here.
By Mac
April 2, 2008 7:25 AM | Link to this
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA =) =) =)
By Jais AAA duluth
April 2, 2008 10:51 AM | Link to this
go tell your circle of life if another corrupt cop wants to lean on sombody near me he’s getting got.
Oh- by the way
news this morning cited another corrupt cop. There’s no such thing? yeah mac. yeah. You were likely one of them.
By Mac
April 2, 2008 11:38 AM | Link to this
You are hilarious…..Love the fact you are convinced I am or was a cop……Wouldn’t you love to know…..???? HAHAHAHAHAHA post the link……
what in the hell do you get out of hating cops & everything else in your life…..?
By Jais
April 2, 2008 1:57 PM | Link to this
You are hilarious. FACT is you don’t even know the facts about being convinced factually. I’d love to know but HATE to find out. I dunno what the hell i get out of hating everything every day all the time. no idea, mac. no idea.
prolly because it disturbs morons like you.