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Would stores marked in English, make it more inviting for you to shop there?
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
I was driving down Pleasant Hill Road the other night. I noticed how many Korean buildings had gone up over the last several months. It was kind of rainy that night, and with the iridescent glow of the signs written in Korean, it made me feel kind of like I was in a Chinatown in New York City or San Francisco. Korean script looks different than Chinese or Japanese script, and though I can’t read any of those languages, I can usually distinguish among the three.
I have seen the Korean population growing Gwinnett County, particularly in Duluth. The Korean people are nice, polite, and hard working. I note with some interest that I see more churches catering to the Korean people as well as businesses. I say good for them, and I wish them much success.
I thought about the different businesses that I passed by, wondering if they were restaurants, department stores, computer firms, what this strange language was trying to explain to me. But then I had a thought: how would I tell someone who was lost how to find his or her way?
Someone could call me, for example, and tell me that they missed a turn, and ask me which way they need to go. “Where are you now,” I would ask.
“I don’t know,” they would reply. “The buildings name is in Chinese or something like that.” Given that they would be on Pleasant Hill Road, that could be any number of buildings along the strip.
Take that one step further. What if the building caught fire, or building was robbed, or an ambulance is required. How would you tell them where to go? It’s bad enough that none of these buildings has any kind of street address marking on the building. We can’t read the language. How will we know where to go?
Norcross addressed this issue with regards to its Hispanic population. They passed a law that said that signs have to mark in English, as well as Spanish. It seems to me that we can do a similar thing in Duluth.
I have no wish to step on the toes of our Korean friends. However, in the interest of promoting communication between our unique cultures, I would simply like to find a way to assist those of us who do not read Korean provide services to the community. And maybe, in the process, I can buy some goods in a Korean grocery store. That is, if I know which of these stores sells groceries.
Would stores marked in English, make it more inviting for you to shop there?
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By Goober
July 10, 2007 11:25 PM | Link to this
English sub-titles, how proper. And what section of Pleasant Hill Road is that packed with Korean signs that one would feel lost?
By charliejoe
July 11, 2007 8:41 AM | Link to this
Hey, all you have to learn is Korean for “restaurant”, “nail parlor”, “grocery” and “dry cleaning” and you should be all set. Besides, they don’t want your business, roundeye. They don’t care for us white devils (or Americans, in general?) or they’d put the signs in English to start with.
By jd
July 11, 2007 9:00 AM | Link to this
By not having their signs in English, they are telling me they do not want my business. Thanks to our ambitious commissioners, I have plenty of other places to shop. Enough development already…English, Korean, Spanish or any other language.
By jim from Gwinnett
July 11, 2007 9:06 AM | Link to this
I just checked all Korean stores in Pleasant Hill as I drove by. They all have English sign next to Korean sign. Can you guys tell me which store does not have English sign?
By jim from gwinnett
July 11, 2007 9:16 AM | Link to this
Also, from my understanding, every store in Park Village (where super H market located) are required by landlord to have English sign. I am not sure this is really an issue.
By Martha Saghini
July 11, 2007 9:31 AM | Link to this
Signs should be in English. Why the Americans have to please everyone that comes to this country? This is USA not Korea. Let all the Koreans and foreigners to go back to their countries and have their businesses, products and speak their own languages.
Americans wake up please!!!
By Goober
July 11, 2007 10:29 AM | Link to this
In that case Martha all signs should be in the local Native American Indian tribe. Oh forgot, Martha have a nice trip.
“to go back to their countries and have their businesses, products”, ever been to Wal Mart Martha, sure you have, 99% of the products they carry come from China, so much for your nationalism.
By lola
July 11, 2007 4:06 PM | Link to this
I don’t think the shops in the Walmart parking lot have any English subtitles. I wouldn’t shop in them, They look surprsed if a non-asian walks in, I’m tramatized enough by the chattering at my nail salon where I have no clue what they are saying.
By Atico
July 11, 2007 5:03 PM | Link to this
Like most reasonable American citizens I recognize the need for store signing that may include a native language, i.e., Korean, Spanglish (Groceria, duh). However that signage should not be superior in size to the English sign. That’s it, just do things that fit the place your dong business in, and all will be fine in the Land of Opportunity for those that work hard to make a quick buck, and send it back to your Native land.
By Michael H. Smith
July 11, 2007 6:54 PM | Link to this
I do frequent shops and stores owned by immigrants and all of them have their signage in U. S. English. Further to my delight, all of them I’ve met hold a great admiration for the United States of America. Some of these immigrants have not become U. S. citizens yet, but they are working through the process of naturalizing and speak adequate U.S. English, which only further bonds me as a loyal customer to them. Koreans and others of Asian ancestry seldom disrespect America by violating U.S. immigration laws, in that fact they have earned my respect. When they become a U.S. citizen they honor not only me but more importantly they honor the United States of America.
Admittedly, I do by intention avoid stores that fly flags of a foreign nation, put up signage in a foreign language without the presence of U.S. English written boldly and clearly above, or make show of a loyalty to a foreign sovereignty.
This dishonors America and for that disrespect, I hold only the utmost disdain.
By susan
July 11, 2007 7:38 PM | Link to this
To all the Martha’s out there… “go back to your own country,” means you too! You took from the natives now give their country back you idiot! Stop the redness and let’s advance. I don’t think signs in other languages is as important and your kids, the economy, etc. Let’s try to fix the real issue from the root not the the froth! This is a nation of all countries and I am with you, we need to speak the same language. The gov. made the mistake when they started to translate English to other languages to accomodate. It didn’t make them learn to speak English. Instead, it made the people lazy and give up learning the language all together. And this comes from a Korean-American who is damn proud of her heritage, background and the good ol USA!
By Michael H. Smith
July 11, 2007 8:59 PM | Link to this
Calm, calm now Susan, we are the nation of one country out of many ancestries found around this world. We have only one language commonly spoken, U.S. English. Had it not been for an executive order issued by former President Bill Clinton we would not have this perverse multi-linguists dilemma. But we are working on making U.S. English the official language of the United States of America, as it is now the official language in 25 of the 50 states in this union presently.
And Susan, I say this kindly and with all due respect; if you or anyone else can dig up the bones of my Muscogee Creek ancestors who suffered the foreign invasion of their lands and bring them back to life, then let them seek any remedy in law available to them. Let them say who must now leave and who may stay and what part of their great, great, grandson’s body and soul might remain if it is their choice to deport the French, Irish, English parts they judge unsuitable for acceptance.
America, Susan, is not native to the “indigenous natives”. There is nothing left to give back. All that was, is now a page in ancient history totally IRRELEVANT to any present discourse on U.S. Immigration and I am not a Muscogee Creek-French-Irish-English-American.
I am proudly an American of no hyphen.
Oh, and by the way Reconquiestas, good luck on that resurrection of the dead.
By Goober
July 12, 2007 1:19 AM | Link to this
I’m with you Susan I hate this atitude, “I didn’t kick any indians out, so it doesn’t mean anything anymore”. Yeah let us all forget any history that may make us look bad, how wimpy can you get? Bill Clinton did it, Bill Clinton did it, sounds like chicken little with the sky is falling routine. The English only issue has been being ruled on by the Supreme Court since since the 1920’s, so far English only isn’t doing too well.
“The constitutionality of Official English measures has long been at issue. In Yñiguez v. Mofford, a federal judge invalidated Arizona’s Proposition 106, passed by voters in 1988, which required the state to “act in English and in no other language,” as an infringement of free-speech rights under the First Amendment.” In 1990 the case was appealed to the Supremes and they ruled the case moot, not even worth bothering with.
In New Mexico’s State Constitution it always had both Spanish and English as the official languages of the state.
By Katie
July 12, 2007 5:31 AM | Link to this
For me, yes, signs in Engish would be helpful so at least I know what the store (s) is/are selling.
By Chuck
July 12, 2007 6:09 AM | Link to this
This is sort of a moot point - minimal English signage is required by ordinance, since, well, police and firefighters mostly speak that particular language.
By Al
July 12, 2007 7:01 AM | Link to this
Can open…worms EVERYWHERE!!!
By Al
July 12, 2007 7:02 AM | Link to this
Can=open…Worms=EVERYWHERE!!!
By inou
July 12, 2007 8:33 AM | Link to this
I will not do business with anyone who does not acknowledge English. I’m sick of them all.
By Goober
July 12, 2007 9:53 AM | Link to this
Chuck if a federal judge says it is a moot point it is, local bumpkins can’t trump it. Plus the ruling was based on the state of Arizona doing all business in English only, not on a sign ordinance in Dinkytown US of A. Get over it.
By pete
July 12, 2007 11:03 AM | Link to this
That’s why learning and traveling different other countries is important to bring sucessful life. hey at least we do speak English and intergrate into American Society unlike some Illegal Mexcians they’re much worse than we are. We’re smart well educated and respected. Putting “Konglish signs is enough.
By pete
July 12, 2007 11:04 AM | Link to this
That’s why learning and traveling different other countries is important to bring sucessful life. hey at least we do speak English and intergrate into American Society unlike some Illegal Mexcians they’re much worse than we are. We’re smart well educated and respected. Putting “Konglish signs is enough.
By Akagi
July 12, 2007 11:55 AM | Link to this
Outside the US in non English speaking countries, there are many stores that are marked in English. In Taiwan even the street signs are in both Chinese and English and I haven’t heard anyone complain about that. Why are people so put out when they see another language? And I would like to see the exact store that has no English on it. I have yet to see a Chinese business sign in Chinese-only in Georgia. I will say that the English name for many of these Chinese businesses rarely match the Chinese name. I can’t speak for Korean though.
By Michael H. Smith
July 12, 2007 6:46 PM | Link to this
Gosh did I ever goof, allow me to correct myself before someone else catches my impromptu error.
There are now 30 States with Official English Laws. A few more states and soon, there will be a sufficient number to ratify a Constitutional amendment. Oh no, that would make Bill and Hillary moot, New Mexico moot, half the Democrat party moot, it would even make the Supreme Court moot.
By Goober
July 12, 2007 8:34 PM | Link to this
Gee I hate to be the one that has to again but, those Official English Laws are no more than window dressing. Show me one state law that states, as Arizona’s did, all offical business HAS to be conducted in English? You will find none that doesn’t provide services to accommodate other languages.
First three quarters in Congress has to pass it, not going to happen. Dang, foiled again.
By Goober
July 12, 2007 9:08 PM | Link to this
“A legal document written in Spanish and filed in Fulton County Superior Court left local officials scratching their cabezas Wednesday…”We don’t make legal judgments about the content of documents,” said Arleatha McKenzie, chief deputy clerk for Superior Court. “The clerk has a duty to process the paperwork. Whether it is a valid document is up to the judge.”
Georgia being a English only state shows that what happened above that these laws are nothing more than a symbolic joke. A waste of time for politicans when they could be addressing real issues and just another useless law to add to the thousands we already have.
By Matthew Dickinson
July 12, 2007 11:11 PM | Link to this
No, the English signs would kill the oriental mystique.
By Michael H. Smith
July 13, 2007 3:22 AM | Link to this
English only or English the Official Language? Big difference. Sort of like real names. Did you forget your’s Goober? Perhaps you are one of those people you wrote about still hiding behind sheets?
Spanish is taken as no joke by the Mexican government, where legal judgments of the contents are made everyday. In fact, English is the sole official language in 31 nations. Bet they make legal judgments of the contents too. There is no waste of time by the definition’s of the people of these countries. Of course, they are smart enough to know language either unifies or divides a people and so am I.
Because America is likely the most diverse nation to ever exist, having a greater verity of every ancestry imaginable in the human race - where other nations don’t - it becomes all the more important that one language be not only the common language but the official language. U.S. English unites this nation. Without it, all that is left is a polyglot squabbling.
Now you were saying something about importance… oh, you mean Iraq. Should have guessed. The Democrat talking points. The United Dividers at it again … First 100 hours, first 100 hours? Need a couple of millenniums to go along with those first 100 hours already used up?
Nancy,Harry, Hillary, and Obama should have, as the party in power, secured the borders and over hauled the visa system by now. Would have been a nice symbolic gesture to Al Qaeda before they attacks us again. Ah but hey, between you and the other Democrats pushing multiple languages and open borders, Al Qaeda will think they’ve got the wrong country after looking at the signs and listening to that old Spanish talk radio.
By Anonymous
July 13, 2007 8:23 AM | Link to this
Multilingual signs make sense and would be easy to implement; so why not?
By Bill
July 13, 2007 9:09 AM | Link to this
Regardless of what the sign says at a foreign establishment it would be best to simply visit the store and SEE what they have to offer before attacking them for what the sign looks like. It seems incredibly naïve to make judgments about a foreign business without going inside that business regardless of what one’s national association is.
All businesses have street addresses. Street names are registered for both police and fire access. Why not simply go in and ask the owner of the business how to “say” the name of the business so when you need to call police or fire you can say the name correctly. Otherwise simply give the address. I guess this would work unless you actually don’t know where you are…
;-)
By Gary
July 13, 2007 9:28 AM | Link to this
I am in Suwanne where it is like Duluth.Korean signs with no English should be illegal for allthe reasons in your column. Like the other person who wrote, Korean signs say to Americans- we do not want your business. Evern worse if you go inside and no English is spoken. Some Korean business have English signs, English speaking workers and get American customers. Agreed Koreans are hard working but even in the neighborhoods that they chose to live in, they segregate themselves from the community. Their goal is not to fit in but to create their own Korean enviroments.
By Bill
July 13, 2007 9:46 AM | Link to this
Gary, imagine yourself and family living in another non-English speaking country (just for a minute). Then ask yourself if you wouldn’t seek out other Americans to congregate with. As you begin to learn the language of the country then you would begin to mix and mingle more with the native population.
However, you have a dire need immediately to make a living to support your family by opening a business. If your business could cater to all of the native community then you could have a sign in that community’s language. However, if there was a large population of American immigrants in the community you may, at first, use American signs to advertise to so your business would do well, especially if you were selling items that were American.
As you begin to meld with the community you might begin to include native items in your inventory. Then your sign may be changed to cater to both communities. Eventually, you may be able to actually run your business in the native language of that country.
This takes time. Just a thought.
By Goober
July 13, 2007 11:05 AM | Link to this
Hey Mike why y’all dancing round that question I posed to ya? I asked if you could show me one state that the English only rebellion was actually an enforcable law and nothing more than a symbolic gesture? You have ran around blaming everyone and everything instead of just answering the question. Heck you even changed the subject, now it’s countries and not states. Looks like you’re having a problem backing up your boast. Nice try Mike, carry on.
By Goober
July 13, 2007 11:15 AM | Link to this
Bill’s right, every new wave of immigrants from Europe did the same, it took years for some to blend in, but blend they did. Just imagine how boring this country would be without all the different cultures.
By Being taken over
July 13, 2007 12:30 PM | Link to this
My favorite sign is on Old Norcross headed south just past Pleasant Hill. It says “Coming Soon” and then underneath the rest of the sign is in Asian. Also, how about the all Asian sign on the service side of Atlanta Toyota? To the person who says all the signs around Pleasant Hill are in both English/Asian, you must be blind!
By Bill Allen
July 13, 2007 12:46 PM | Link to this
A couple of things here. I welcome the Korean business. I said good for them, and that I wished them well. I meant that. I just wanted to know how to get around. I don’t speak Spanish, but I can at least sound out “Cánsese y el servicio de coche” and use it in a phone conversation because we share a common alphabet. Can’t do that with Korean, or Chinese, etc. My concern was related to public safety and service than it was to speaking my language, as it were.
Almost every Korean that I have met in Duluth, most every non-American for that matter, has been very nice, very helpful, very polite. Some locals could learn a lesson or two in manners from them, if you ask me. I’m not trying to divide us here. I’m just trying to start a discussion about our community. We all want the same things - to prosper, to raise our children safely, and to be treated fairly and honestly. This is not an anti-immigration thing. This is me asking a question about something to which I don’t know the answer, and maybe some of you do. Good feedback from all of you.
By Bill
July 13, 2007 3:15 PM | Link to this
True Goober. Boring it would be. It’s also food for change. As Bill Allen says we could learn a lot from our foreign friends with regard to manners, persistence, and hard work.
What we take for granted after growing up in this country many of these folks are discovering for the first time; i.e., free speech, economic autonomy, selection of public representatives, etc.
Moderation and tolerance is the key.
By Michael H. Smith
July 13, 2007 4:21 PM | Link to this
Hey Bruce Goober why should I prove anything to you when you never answer to anything I ask? Another worthless try from you Brucie.
@ Anonymous - it makes non-sense. It only makes naturalization more avoidable.
@ Bill Allen - No Bill I would not seek out other Americans for very long if I “immigrated” to a foreign country. I would seek out natives who could assist me in learning everything I’d need to know in order become part of that country and not disenfranchise myself by making demands on the natives to change their country to accommodate an intolerable arrogant obstinate legal alien.
@- Bill - I have plenty of foreign friends. We exchange a lot of culture, history, laws, politics etc. I’m just as extreme in accepting legal aliens, as I’m in rejecting illegal aliens. The more accepting legal aliens are to America and Americans the more affinity I have for them and naturalized citizens I hold in a very high esteem. Especially when they,(which I purposely test them on for an answer)correct me by saying, “they’re a U.S. citizen”.
Nothing is more exciting than that.
By jim from gwinnett
July 13, 2007 5:45 PM | Link to this
“My favorite sign is on Old Norcross headed south just past Pleasant Hill. It says “Coming Soon” and then underneath the rest of the sign is in Asian. Also, how about the all Asian sign on the service side of Atlanta Toyota?”
Atlanta toyota is next to Room to Go store and across street from Eckard drugs store. Where are Asian businesses you are talking about?
Are you talking about stores in Pleasant Hill Plaza (cross street from Atlanta toyota) or Nukua Plaza? I checked every one of those stores itself (not billboard). Every one of stores has Korean/English sign.
“To the person who says all the signs around Pleasant Hill are in both English/Asian, you must be blind!”
Calling name does not make your point valid.
I know Korean businesses are very conscious of putting up the English sign. Maybe the English sign is a little smaller compared to Korean sign. But the signs are there.
By Goober
July 13, 2007 11:14 PM | Link to this
Ah Mikey that paranoia seems to be getting the best of you. Best of luck of your English only campaign, carry on.
By Michael H. Smith
July 14, 2007 1:14 AM | Link to this
Poor Brucie Goober, still can’t decipher the difference between English Only and English the Official Language. Do I need to define it for him? Guess I do. English the Official Language does not limit free speech, whereas English Only would. Now, care to show me an “English Only Law” enacted by government at any level, Brucie?
Hang in there gang there it is relevant to this signs in other languages discussion. I will tie things together directly. Hint: It was previously blogged. Pardon me while I take another bite of Cheese Steak from Geno’s. We’ll just wait on the come back kid.
By Goober
July 14, 2007 10:51 AM | Link to this
Mikey pay attention, you said, “There are now 30 States with Official English Laws. A few more states and soon, there will be a sufficient number to ratify a Constitutional amendment. Oh no, that would make Bill and Hillary moot, New Mexico moot, half the Democrat party moot, it would even make the Supreme Court moot.”
Now if it was the symbolic “English the Official Language” law it is meaningless, as is the movement, which has no effect on the Supreme Court ruling. But only the Republicans could want a Constitutional amendment that is meaningless. It’s funny, you act like the US of A invented English when we stole it from where else, England.
Face it Mikey, you goofed, take it like a man, carry on.
By Goober
July 14, 2007 10:57 AM | Link to this
P.S. Read By Goober July 12, 2007 1:19, it is all about the Supreme Court ruling you’ve been weeping over.
By Michael H. Smith
July 14, 2007 3:24 PM | Link to this
Brucie Goober where is your English Only Law? There isn’t one! So you’ve been making a none-existent case to argue against the English Official Language Law, which the Supreme Court has not ruled unconstitutional. In Georgia English is the Official Language. Go check it out, then try and do your normal twist, lie and distort to eliminate the importance of that law (which is not an English Only Law), since you say it is meaningless.
Brucie acting silly again: It’s funny, you act like the US of A invented English when we stole it from where else, England.
Do you want to take another stab at that Brucie? U.S. English which is not the U.K. English of England was, to use your term, “stolen”, from many languages.
Dollar is taken from the Spanish word dólar. Phone is a Greek word. Chagrin is a French word, had enough yet, Brucie?
Brucie’s Goobers have just been roasted, again.
No Brucie, I’m not crying at all. How many States does it take to ratify an amendment to the Constitution?
Excerpt taken from a link below:
There is no federal law at present that says English is the official national language of the United States.
Yet polls suggest most Americans support having such legislation - 83 per cent in a Zogby International survey released in May.
Thirty states have adopted an English-language policy, three in the last eight months alone. Another 14 states have bills pending. Local jurisdictions are jumping aboard.
End
With a sufficient number of States having clearly spoken to the issue in English Official Language Laws and 83% of Americans supporting English as the official national language of the United States, there is more than enough support from We the People to ratify an English Official Language amendment.
Do the Democrats listen to We the People, Nah.
For Reds, at Geno’s in Philadelphia, it’s all pretty simple.
“I shouldn’t have to speak 18 different languages.”
Quote from Geno’s
http://www.940news.com
And we taxpayers shouldn’t have to pay for keeping 18 different official records in 18 different languages just to satisfy folks like Bruice and his liberal elitists Democrats who desire the chaos of a multi-lingual society. Would the costs of keeping 18 different official records in 18 different languages be meaningless? Would the costs to business in having to accommodate 18 different languages be meaningless?
It’s all about preserving the culture and clarity in one nation unified as one people to protect against being forced to become a literal Big Government Tower of Babel.
Okay, heap big chief speaking full of bull come back crying like squaw.
By Goober
July 14, 2007 6:21 PM | Link to this
Weaving and dodging is not your forte Mickey, I quoted you. You stated “Official English Laws”, yet never made any distinction between the two. The majority of those states statues just say, “English is the offical language of’enter state here’”. They say nothing about state forms and any that do have been aready dismissed as unconstitutional or are in front of the courts now.
It is against the First Amendment to deny legal citizens sccess to the government due to language as ruled by the Supreme Court. You would have to repeal the First Amendment to get your wish. Plus the English the Offical Language, which isn’t a real language at all by your own description, is nothing more than a joke Just another meaningless attempt to make a few feel superior, the weaker among us.
This naming of English as the Offical Language crusade is like naming the pine the state tree. it may makes pines happy, but does little else.
And I don’t really think polls mean much, the polls say majority want us out of Iraq, we’re still there. As far as how many states would be needed to pass such a childish, pouting attempt to alienate legal citizens it has to receive three-quarters of Congress to agree first, it will never happen.
Boy Brucie must have really kicked your butt at one time and the Democrats are not liberal enough for me. Work on that for awhile Mickey, carry on.
By Michael H. Smith
July 15, 2007 3:32 AM | Link to this
Brucie Goober kicked his own butt as usual. You did not quote me and you didn’t answer my original question in all your twist lie and distortion as usual:
By Michael H. Smith July 13, 2007 3:22 AM | Link to this English only or English the Official Language? Big difference. Sort of like real names. Did you forget your’s Goober?
Brucie didn’t follow instructions either didn’t read the Georgia code. Had you took the time to educate yourself on the statue, you would find no access is denied in any manner of speaking to anyone. English is the official language of record.
It is against the First Amendment to deny legal citizens success to the government due to language as ruled by the Supreme Court. You would have to repeal the First Amendment to get your wish.
Prove it, put up or shut up, show where Georgia’s official language law is unconstitutional to make your lie true.
The majority of those states statues just say, “English is the official language of’ enter state here’”. They say nothing about state forms and any that do have been already dismissed as unconstitutional or are in front of the courts now.
Prove it, put up or shut up on this statement as well. Arizona doesn’t count because it was an “English Only Law”. Now go for it or don’t come back with more useless drivel authored by you. By the way I have a copy Georgia’s Official Language Law right in front of me from 1996 taken from the Carl Vinson Institute of Government. That will prove this is a falsehood your’s:
“They say nothing about state forms”.
You’ll find the proof in section 1 article 4, 50-30- 100 (a)
Brucie Goober what ignorance you display, attacking those poor little pine trees in a pitiful attempt to straddle the taxpayers with the astronomical expense of a multi-lingual’s society. Without an official language, records, courts, even public commission meetings could be forced into using any number of foreign languages. What a total nightmare that would be: the costs, the confusion the divisions. Can it be imaged the Supreme Court hearing one case in English another in Arabic the next in Latin then Spanish or German after that, Cantonese in one of those five different languages? Perhaps that would serve a maddening justice to the Justices, how soon they would decry a pine tree isn’t a pine tree by any other language and Oyez, Oyez will never be the same.
The polls conducted from time to time in November certainly mean something and the 83% of the people who say they want English as the official national language should vote all the Democrats and whatever number of Republicans as needed out of office to get their desires. Don’t forget voters, power is derived from your hand, this government does not give you rights (civil or human) as the Democrats would have you think and nowhere in the Declaration of Independence is it so written:
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all languages are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creators with certain unalienable Rights.
All men are created equal. All languages are not.
What part of that don’t the anti-Americans get?
Only one Democrat running for the Presidency, supports making English the Official National Language.
English remains superior in the United States of America let’s keep it that way my fellow Americans. Let’s keep that sign at Geno’s cheese steaks up for all who enter or reside in this country to read:
This is America, when ordering, please speak English.
Reading resource for any interested person:
http://www.us-english.org
PS. Boy Brucie Gooober, you got a sore butt and a sore foot too for all your worthless efforts. Carry on kicking yourself in that one man arse kicking party.
By Goober
July 15, 2007 10:15 AM | Link to this
Mikey you have to stop drinking and attempting to debate. Your very own words slay you, oh there is such a big difference between English only and English offical language laws, you changed your tune after I proved that Arizona’s was proven illegal. Quote You stated “Official English Laws”, yet never made any distinction between the two.
And the law you endorse is meaningless, just wastes time, time that could be spent on real issues. I stand by my statement, “This naming of English as the Offical Language crusade is like naming the pine the state tree. it may makes pines happy, but does little else.”
As far as the Georgia Code section 1 article 4, 50-30- 100 (a), a Legal document was filed and accepted by the Fulton County Supreme Court, again proving your English only law is a complete waste of time.
“All men are created equal. All languages are not.”, that has to be the most asinine, childish statement I’ve heard. I can imagine a pudgy little snot nosed brat teasing someone in the school yard with the same line.
Have another Mikey, catty on.
By Goober
July 15, 2007 10:31 AM | Link to this
Hey Mikey, I have read Georgia’s Code, no wonder you didn’t provide a link, forms can and will be printed in other languages beside English.
Code Section 50-3-100 Enacted.
To amend Chapter 3 of title 50 of the Official Code of Georgia Annotated, relating to the state flag, seal, and other symbols, so as to designate English as the official language of the State of Georgia; to provide for use of the official language; to provide for construction; to provide for remedies; to provide for exceptions; to authorize use and printing of official documents in other languages; to provide for related matters; to repeal conflicting laws; and for other purposes.
BE IN ENACTED BY THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF GEORGIA:
SECTION 1.
Chapter 3 of Title 50 of the Official Code of Georgia Annotated, relating to the state flag, seal, and other symbols, is amended by adding a new article, to be designated Article 4, to read as follows:
“ARTICLE 4
50-3-100.
(a) The English language is designated as the official language of the State of Georgia. The official language shall be the language used for each public record, as defined in Code Section 50-18-70, and each public meeting, as defined in Code Section 50-14-1, and for official Acts of the State of Georgia, including those governmental documents, records, meetings, actions, or policies which are enforceable with the full weight and authority of the State of Georgia.
(b) This Code section shall not be construed in any way to deny a person’s rights under the Constitution of Georgia or the Constitution of the United States or any laws, statutes, or regulations of the United States or of the State of Georgia as a result of that person’s inability to communicate in the official language.
(c) State agencies, counties, municipal corporations, and political subdivisions of this state are authorized to use or to print official documents and forms in languages other than the official language, at the discretion of their governing authorities. Documents filed or recorded with a state agency or with the clerk of a county, municipal. corporation, or political subdivision must be in the official language or, if the original document is in a language other than the official language, an English translation of the document must be simultaneously filed.
(d) The provisions of subsection (a) of this Code shall not apply:
(1) When in conflict with federal law;
(2) When the public safety, health, or justice require the use of the other languages;
(3) To instruction designed to teach the speaking, reading, or writing of foreign languages;
(4) To instruction designed to aid students with limited English proficiency in their transition and integration into the education system of the state; and
(5) To the promotion of international commerce, tourism, sporting events, or cultural events.”
SECTION 2.
All laws and parts of laws in conflict with this Act are repealed.
Approved April 25, 1996.
Thanks Mickey a good laugh in the morn brightens even the darkest day, carry on.
By Mark
July 15, 2007 11:21 AM | Link to this
What difference would it make anyway? We have already ruined this country by giving blacks rights.
By Goober
July 15, 2007 11:33 AM | Link to this
Look Mikey you have one supporter, carry on.
By Michael H. Smith
July 15, 2007 11:41 AM | Link to this
To my original claim: dumb is a proclivity with you and you definitely majored in stupidity. Thanks for putting up the copyright violation I was avoiding, oh and I did try to post the link but the blog would not accept all the links I wanted to put up.
My claim was and remains English the Official Language Laws are different from your spew on English Only laws, you’ve only enhanced your foolishness Brucie, now to include proof against your idiotic lies.
“They say nothing about state forms”.
What does the law say:
(a) The English language is designated as the official language of the State of Georgia. The official language shall be the language used for each public record, as defined in Code Section 50-18-70, and each public meeting, as defined in Code Section 50-14-1, and for official Acts of the State of Georgia, including those governmental documents, records, meetings, actions, or policies which are enforceable with the full weight and authority of the State of Georgia.
It makes the citizens of this state happy and saves the taxpayers a lot of money to say the least. Keep howling at those pine trees rover.
Brucie you been nailed.
My line on languages not being created equal slapped down pretty hard didn’t it you little child, well the truth hurts wimp. Go lick your wounds bully boy by then you might sober up.
By Goober
July 15, 2007 12:00 PM | Link to this
Mikey even the Supremes have ruled that all languages are created equal, as shown in our own state code.
Mikey, please at least try to be original with the insults, I know your back is against the wall but even you can do better.
The copyright laws, now something like that is orginal and funny, you spin more than a Maytag.
Again good luck on your meaningless crusade for a meaningless law, carry on.
By Michael H. Smith
July 15, 2007 12:37 PM | Link to this
Cite the cases Bruice give me more than your worthless blather and pathetic crass attempts at humor.
Here’s a link if it goes through that bolsters my argument, though I disagree terming Official Language, which are not the same as an Only Language Laws.
http://www.proenglish.org/legal/legalindex.html
Your words betray you Brucie, if this was a meaningless crusade you wouldn’t and all the other anti-U.S. English foes would not bother opposing English as the Official National Language written into Law.
What’s at steak is forcing this country into a bi-lingual society by default due recently to the illegal invasion so-called immigration. U.S. citizens do not want a bi-lingual country like Canada - which many Canadians are discontented with now. U.S. English is the preferred language of the U.S. citizenry as their superior choice.
I certainly will continue the meaningful fight. I don’t want a bi-lingual tower of babel for a nation neither should other citizens of this country for all the reasons stated at this link:
http://www.us-english.org
Now good luck “Amigo” I’ll see you in the loser’s circle again.
By Goober
July 15, 2007 1:29 PM | Link to this
Opposing a Jim Crow law is somehow a bad thing? The law you’re crusading for does nothing but alienate all immigrants, not just the select group you choose. I do not live in fear of another language overtaking English as the common language. I do not live my life in fear of a minority. There are far, far more important issues to be addressed, like Iraq, than attempting to prove that by decree English is some how a superior language.
As far as Canada, I assume you’re refering to the French and English languages, there is very little miscontent, but I am sure there is some right wingers that have a web-site beating their chests that one language is better than another.
As far as your links, they cater to the fearful, I’ll go to the “Save the Whales” thank you, carry on.
By LB
July 15, 2007 1:51 PM | Link to this
If there is an English interpretation even if it is small I will patronize their business. If there is no English interpretation I consider it a non welcome sign and do not shop there.
I don’t resent that as much as Walmart having announcements in Spanish and Home Depot having all signs with Spanish interpretations. I actually saw one sign in the lumber section of Home Depot written in several languages with none of them being in English.
I welcome the Asian businesses and for the most part they have made me feel at home. They make me feel welcome whenever I go into a store. However, the things they sell don’t really appeal to me much.
The American stores that cater to the Hispanics are more offensive than the China Towns.
By Goober
July 15, 2007 2:32 PM | Link to this
That Home Depot sign written in several languages isn’t all that bad when you think about it. I am sure that the clerk, if you can find one at Home Depot, will speak English, I doubt he/she could speak the other languages on the sign. Never go to Walmart, never will, so I don’t know what they do.
By Michael H. Smith
July 15, 2007 4:06 PM | Link to this
Pathetic response Brucie. What you fear is the majority. The Official Language Law does not prohibit other languages, it only unifies the nation as one people in one common tongue. Immigrants who come to this country in good faith support English as the national language, my previous link substantiates that point in fact. The only ones who oppose the English as the National Language in Law are those who want to divide this nation. Jim Crow is all about division and creating divisions.
United we shall stand, see you and the other dividers in the loser’s circle “Amigo”.
By Goober
July 15, 2007 8:21 PM | Link to this
You’ve finally lost all touch with reality Mikey, carry on.
By Last American
July 17, 2007 2:22 PM | Link to this
Take a drive through Old Norcross - Signs - LEARN TO SPEAK SPANISH. The official language in America - I thought was English. Where is America.
I received this e-mail. Perhaps you have seen it.
HOW ALL BUSINESS PHONES SHOULD BE ANSWERED.
GOOD MORNING, WELCOME TO THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
PRESS “1” FOR ENGLISH
PRESS “2” TO DISCONNECT UNTIL YOU LEARN TO SPEAK ENGLISH