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Job seekers can use luck in this economy

She told me her name was Lady B.

I paused.

“I have to do this all the time,” the woman said, reaching for her purse. “That’s the name on my driver’s license.” Sure enough, Lady B. it is. The Atlanta resident is a certified esthetician and cosmetologist who does freelance work, among other endeavors.

On Thursday, she was one of hundreds of clients at the state Labor Department’s one-stop employment center on Beaver Ruin Road in Norcross. The Gwinnett Career Center, which provides information in several languages, was hopping. Practically every computer terminal, table and chair was occupied. Lines at the intake desk and copy machine were constant, often several people deep. Some clients wore business attire; others donned baseball caps and jeans. All were either looking for work, gathering info about training programs or filing unemployment claims. Many appeared solemn, serious, anxious.

No doubt there’s another side to the frequent media narrative about consumers who have lived the good life, partied off their home equity, overspent and overcharged themselves into an economic malaise. It’s a script that’s a little too handy, much too generic. Folk I know had been pinching pennies and packing lunches long before the historic financial meltdown. Many share Lady B.’s mindset.

“When you’re a hustler, you do what you have to do,” she told me. “You have to do what you have to do to make it work. Many people have been struggling a long time, and they know to keep themselves calm amid all the craziness that’s going on now. People who had [high incomes], whose bottom line is not what it used to be, they are the ones who suffer more in times like these.”

Michelle Green, who was sharing a table with us, nodded in agreement. She’s an east Atlanta resident who works as a technician for a firm that does laser facials. “There are jobs out there,” Green said. “It may not be exactly what you want, but there are jobs. You just have to assert yourself.”

But it’s a tough search.

In October, new jobless claims climbed to 72,627 — 75 percent higher than a year earlier, according to the state Department of Labor. The state’s unemployment rate in September was 6.5 percent, compared to a national rate of 6.1 percent. The state’s October rate has not yet been reported. It’s a competitive job market. Employers can afford to be super-picky.

Some clients at the Gwinnett Center shared the pain of their job search in a deteriorating market. They say they’d been on interviews in which dozens of people sought the same position. And if they got the offer, the salary paled when compared to prior earnings. “I am always overqualified — which means they don’t want to pay you anything,” said Lady B. “They always want to pay you something ridiculous.”

It turns out that Green and Lady B. had been waiting to be interviewed by the same skin-care representative. When the women found out they were in similar professions, they exchanged e-mail addresses and telephone numbers. Then they wished each other well.

“If it’s meant for me, I’ll get it,” surmised Lady B. “And if it’s meant for her, she’ll get it.”

As they departed, I offered up two words I’d heard counselors tell job-seekers repeatedly during my two-hour visit at the Gwinnett Center. Good luck.

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By Tom Becker

November 15, 2008 11:11 AM | Link to this

I have an accounting degree and ten years of corporate and public accounting experience and I cant get an interview, (one in six months for a state job that i didn’t get). I deliver pizza. I clean toilets. I umpire little league games. I rob banks, but only as a walter mitty. I think i’ve daydreamed a fool proof way to rob a bank. You see, you wear a fake beard and a dress and a wig and falsies and then when you approach the teller……..

By NOWICUNVME

November 15, 2008 11:18 AM | Link to this

Good article Mr. Badie. Great opportunity to address the State of Georgia law of “employment at will” doctrine. As if the economy isn’t tanked enough, here in Georgia, the powers that be think it’s fair and just to have such a ridiculous law in place! I relocated here two years ago from New York. I have never, and will never understand what the flip this outrageously and outlandish doctrine, law or whatever you want to call it, is. I call it oppression at it’s best. I really dislike bringing up the dreaded race issue again, but would you mind sharing the majority of the demographic profiles you observed while sitting in the Career Center on Beaver Ruin? Most of us already know the answer. Granted, some people have lost their jobs due to seasonal or downsizing positions as well. However, you can best believe that a great deal have lost their jobs for simple reasons as race discrimination, personality conflicts and preference, just because the employers have the power to take away a persons livelihood at the drop of a hat. Georgia needs a wake up call for sure! We are headed into the millenium year of 2009! What are the Who, What, Where, and Why of this preposterous law? Astonishingly, there are people born and raised right here in that either don’t know of this doctrine or refuse to acknowledge that it exists.

Another issue that follows is when they try to obtain future employment, they are looked upon as an unfavorable employee being they were terminated previously. Rightfully, so, who would terminate a hard working exemplary employee without a just reason?? Well, employers in Georgia of course!!

Lady B and Michelle Green have the right attitude and are taking the right approach. You do whatever you have to, put the past behind you and don’t let anything or anybody keep you from achieving your goals. That’s all you can do. Give it all to God, and He shall handle the rest. Amen!

OBAMA08

By LT5000

November 15, 2008 11:21 AM | Link to this

Blubbering Badie never fails to produce a insipid blog.

I vote the AJC adds him to it’s unemployment rolls. Surely there is something more important to write about in Gwinnett.

LT5000

By Cassie

November 15, 2008 1:51 PM | Link to this

LT5000. Badie is a very good writer, sir. I have found that he understates more effectively than most. He approaches a topic from the inside and then works his way out. He’s certainly made a prairie-dogger out of you. So while you’re down there, pick out some of the lint. Thats a win win, Rin Tin Chin.

By nana

November 15, 2008 9:50 PM | Link to this

I think this is a pretty good reflection of what is going on not only in Gwinnett but across GA and the nation. It’s unfortunate for all and we can all only hope and pray not to get put in this predicament. I agree with Lady B about the people who have been hustling and struggling prior to now are not freaking out about it as much as those that were used to a high income and now don’t have it. Of course the ones with a high income had a much better shot at stashing some money away for hard times where the ones struggling could not do that.

nowicunveme this is at least the 2nd time I’ve seen you post something about GA’s right to work law. I’m not going to argue with you on the race thing as I worked for a black man who had it out for me and for some of my white coworkers. He managed to get most of the white people to quit (except 2 who kiss his b) and now hires only black people. So I think, no I know, racism can work both ways. I happen to have a very close friend who is black and speaks to this ex-boss of mine frequently. He doesn’t know of our friendship. He tells her all the time that he’s going to get rid of all the whiteys and that upper management can’t/won’t do anything because “they gotta keep a n….r happy”. While I don’t pretend to feel how black people feel that have been discriminated against I can tell you that it goes both ways. Regardless it’s not right. I don’t know what has happened to you *nowicunvme since you’ve moved to GA in regards to your employment but it must have been something since like I said you’ve posted something about this at least 2 times. It is a bad law…that I do agree with you on.

By Michael H. Smith

November 16, 2008 1:17 AM | Link to this

@ nana - The person you’re commenting to has cards they are not showing.

The right to work law is not flawless. It only reflects one extreme used to counter another extreme in law. Such is the nature of politics: Like a pendulum it swings far to the left then far to the right and back again. Extremes are painful and more often than not painfully wrong. Nevertheless it is evidence of a system attempting to correct itself and we the voters are charged with setting the balance in keeping with our times.

On the other point, if you and other co-workers desired to pursue justice and this friend is willing to see justice served against this form of blatant job discrimination the courts work both ways too. Et al Fulton County Libraries - When a Atlanta-Fulton County Library Board member voiced an opinion that the library system had “too many old white women” in management…

The right to work law doesn’t protect the discrimination that has been the point of discussion, period.

Turning to a slightly different view, though very much within the scope of this blog topic, as it has taken the turn to “Luck vs. Discrimination”:

Recent rules from the Department of Homeland Security that will mandate - require - all federal contractors to use E-Verify are already being watered down before they will take effect. The “government allowed” hiring of illegal aliens is blatant job discrimination against every U.S. Citizen and legal immigrant in this country.

There is not enough luck in this world to overcome that di$crimination, Mr. Badie.

By Success

November 16, 2008 6:27 AM | Link to this

Nowicunvme

I would like to agree with you about the race issue. Many companies will no longer hire white people because they have this new diversity clause. Look at some of the major job websites. You can apply as a regular person or a “diverse” person. Diverse means whites need not apply. This reminds me of the two restrooms and two water fountains.

Many companies now practice what is called “tokenism”. A company will have a black manager and his/her entire department will be all black except the token white. The token can not advance and will end up doing a lot more work than everybody else. A complaint can not be filed stating discrimination because they will just say you have been hired and you are white. Many departments in the federal government practice tokenism as well as large banks. They have met their “quota” by hiring one white.

The Georgia Department of Labor is full of “diverse” applicants because whites know they need not apply. They can not get placed, especially a male.

I will not even state my feelings about illegals somehow always having work while Americans sit unemployed.

By Cough Syrup

November 16, 2008 9:10 AM | Link to this

Success, Nana, and M. Smith. Will the real clansman please stand up. Little, little people in the land of the pointy heads. No wonder the SnowWitch rules. Palin is not going to go away. But I predict a moment of pathos that will take years to overcome as she wins dancing with the stars, or some other television feign, as the world comes to grips with itself. As we narrowly escape one crisis after another, this party girl will be teasing the extinct pre-pubescent voyeurism that fueled her ridiculous campaign. What’s next, VP’s gone wet & wild?

I would suggest your anime-ated attempts at discourse be dipped in more colorful ink because the real world aint so black and white, (nor are the characters so weirdly asian)

2 restrooms? Well, success, that gives you twice the chances to score ala Sen Craig with the old tap and flush. Real kneel and bob. You’ll be quite popular, you know.

Pendulum? Well, that means any swinging deek will do 4U, and you gotta love the loyalty to Sen Craig’s world there.

Dont even try to pretend you have a point, other than the one on your head.

By nana

November 16, 2008 9:28 AM | Link to this

Cough Syrup so it sounds like you don’t believe that white people can be discriminated against? You are incorrect sir/madam. But then again maybe you’re the manager I was referring to? Sorry it does and did happen in my case. I probably could sue over it and my friend would testify on my behalf but I’m not one to go down that road. I am a firm believer in what goes around comes around and I’m sure his day will come (as will yours).

By NOWICUNVME

November 16, 2008 9:36 AM | Link to this

And so…the question is how do you abolish this law in Georgia?

Success I could be mistaken but I think the two women depicted in this article were at the Career Center concerning their unemployment benefits. Unless there was a job fair of some sort, private interviews are usually not held at the Career Center, unless you’re applying for a job at the DOL. I don’t think the Georgia DOL is hiring any skin care professionals. Another thing, I have seen spanish speaking requested/required on numerous job postings, however, I have never seen diverse or black/African American need only apply. Therefore, I’ve come to the conclusion that you’re either from another planet and if you don’t have a job, it’s because you’re a moron.

By Michael H. Smith

November 16, 2008 10:26 AM | Link to this

Why should this law be abolished? To tell some business they have to keep a slacker around? Or better to get the prize you really want, a union so the rank and file can pay fat cat union bosses a ton of money? So unions can give money to get Democrats elected? > You nailed it nana, it works the same when the subject is discrimination. And I’m a firm believer in equal pay for equal work, merit pay when merited. Don’t need a union to see that happen, just a law on the books and enforcement of that law. Enforcement is the key.
> Oh please do state your feelings about illegals Success, somehow always having work while Americans sit unemployed. You are only doing what needs to be done in redressing our government that is so corrupted by business interests it refuses to represent the interest of the people that elected it. Teddy Roosevelt nailed both parties butts to the wall back in 1912. A little taste for all those lousy lying liberals [Mostly Dems] calling themselves “Progressives”:

Progressive Platform of 1912

The conscience of the people, in a time of grave national problems, has called into being a new party, born of the nation’s sense of justice. We of the Progressive party here dedicate ourselves to the fulfillment of the duty laid upon us by our fathers to maintain the government of the people, by the people and for the people whose foundations they laid.

We hold with Thomas Jefferson and Abraham Lincoln that the people are the masters of their Constitution, to fulfill its purposes and to safeguard it from those who, by perversion of its intent, would convert it into an instrument of injustice. In accordance with the needs of each generation the people must use their sovereign powers to establish and maintain equal opportunity and industrial justice, to secure which this Government was founded and without which no republic can endure.

This country belongs to the people who inhabit it. Its resources, its business, its institutions and its laws should be utilized, maintained or altered in whatever manner will best promote the general interest. It is time to set the public welfare in the first place.

THE OLD PARTIES

Political parties exist to secure responsible government and to execute the will of the people.

From these great tasks both of the old parties have turned aside. Instead of instruments to promote the general welfare, they have become the tools of corrupt interests which use them impartially to serve their selfish purposes. Behind the ostensible government sits enthroned an invisible government owing no allegiance and acknowledging no responsibility to the people.

To destroy this invisible government, to dissolve the unholy alliance between corrupt business and corrupt politics is the first task of the statesmanship of the day.

The deliberate betrayal of its trust by the Republican party, the fatal incapacity of the Democratic party to deal with the new issues of the new time, have compelled the people to forge a new instrument of government through which to give effect to their will in laws and institutions.

Unhampered by tradition, uncorrupted by power, undismayed by the magnitude of the task, the new party offers itself as the instrument of the people to sweep away old abuses, to build a new and nobler commonwealth.

Amazing parallels that exist between then and now.

By Cindy

November 16, 2008 2:35 PM | Link to this

I’m having trouble right now with all the words. It’s not ya’ll, it’s me. And I do miss commenting…but can’t without knowing what all’s been said. Soon, I hope to be able to concentrate and read again, but until then I just wanted to say that Michael H Smith is the most “un-klans-man” you could hope for. Until my intellect returns, that is all. :)

By NOWICUNVME

November 16, 2008 3:54 PM | Link to this

So as not to misconstrue the intention of my comments, let me state clearly and unequivocally that a slacker should get a pink slip. That would be a good reason, or shall we say, a just cause. That makes perfect and common sense. The law does not stop there. The employment at will doctrine means an employee can be terminated for any reason. Good reason, bad reason and no reason at all. Please don’t tell me this makes any kind of sense to you unless it’s nonsense. I’m not talking about the employee who’s always late, always absent, derelict in their duties, has poor hygiene or any other poor attributes. If anything, why not change the doctrine to read termination permissable for just cause only? Oh you just don’t see it do you? There is a hidden agenda for the bad reason and the no reason being inserted. You just can’t see it, because you’ve never experienced it. Oppression, oppression, oppression. Make no mistake about it. I’m not sure how many unions you ever belonged to, (my guess is none) because there are no fat cats like you mention. I think you had this discussion previously with BW. The unions you have pictured in your mind are long long gone my brother. Nowadays, union presidents and leaders hold the same regular working jobs as all its members. You pay a very very tiny percentage of your paycheck towards union dues. Around $12 out of a bi weekly paycheck. In turn, they collectively bargain your pay raises, benefits and offer you legal representation if you need it. Basically, it keeps a system from running amok and doing whatever they want to do. :}

Moving on to the topic of the illegal immigrants always having work. This I believe is true. They are not choosey about the type of work they will perform. They aren’t lazy. If they don’t know how to do something, they eagerly learn, and they learn quickly. The most important aspect though, at least from the employers standpoint, is that they will work for minimum wage and sometimes for less than minimum wage, which by the way is against the law. They will work seven days a week, 24 hours a day, 365 days a year. That’s why they always have a job. Ask yourself this question; Who’s hiring the immigrants in the first place???

The corrupt businesses will always be corrupt at some point because all it takes is one bad apple in a bunch, and the devil is always busy. Add to that greediness and power hungry and there you have it. You can’t change everyone, but you can at least take steps to put the right people in place for the betterment of the people.

Life goes on. Good things. Bad things. Happy times. Sad times. Proseperity. Suffering. All these are just parts and pieces and facts of life.

OBAMA08

By Michael H. Smith

November 16, 2008 4:37 PM | Link to this

Don’t waste my time. I know what the right to work law says and means - better than you and spoke about it before you ever came on the scene.

Workers don’t need a union to get good pay and fair treatment. The laws that are needed won’t get past this session of the General Assembly that would prevent the worst job discrimination I’ve ever witness in my lifetime - not only in this state but just about any other state.

Anyone that has “no legal authority” to work in this country getting a job discriminates against every U.S. Citizen and legal immigrant in the country. Now that discrimination is really worth crying about.

By Michael H. Smith

November 16, 2008 4:42 PM | Link to this

And furthermore illegals don’t work any harder than U.S. Citizens that do some of the nastiest thankless low paying jobs around. So save that lie, cause it don’t fly.

By Michael H. Smith

November 16, 2008 5:23 PM | Link to this

From my newly elected State Representative:

On the State level, we must resist the temptation to blame our problems on “illegal immigrants”. While we cannot condone anyone violating our laws, most of the people who enter or stay in our country illegally are seeking work to earn money for their families. Yet many seek to punish these individuals while ignoring those who employ them and make money off of their illegal status. Any true attempt to address the problem of illegal immigration at the state level must focus on stopping employers from hiring individuals who have entered the country illegally. Unfortunately, many of our politicians find it easier to play to our prejudices about people who look different and speak a different language than to punish the employers who put greed above following the law.

>

You can tell this guy is definitely a lawyer. First he says we can’t condone breaking the law but then he goes on to try and do the very things he says we can’t do. Typical Lawya talk – give it to you here and take it away from you over there.

If you don’t punish those who break the law then you are condoning and rewarding those who broke the law. And… in this case, you will reward them with the very thing they sought to get as a reward for committing the crime in the first place.

Now get this part, especially get this part:

Any true attempt to address the problem of illegal immigration at the state level must focus on stopping employers from hiring individuals who have entered the country illegally.

Arizona has a law that does exactly what this guy says we ought to focus on doing by stopping employers from hiring individuals who have entered the country illegally.

I’m taking odds that my newly elected State Representative will NOT offer legislation in the next session of the General Assembly that mirrors exactly that Arizona law which has proven successful, withstood court challenge and withstood a ballot proposition to water it down into meaningless gibberish.

Well, local Dems put-up. I don’t believe a single word you guys have said. If you did I’d go even further to elaborate on a State occupation and trade licensing law that would all but nailed this thing closed shut.

PS. A question I intend to ask my new Rep. when he gets up a contact number or page: If all the illegal aliens want to do is feed their families then why are they breaking so many laws?

If poverty and just wanting to feed your family was an excuse to break the law and deserved amnesty, we could probably just about empty the jails in this country.

By NOWICUNVME

November 16, 2008 5:37 PM | Link to this

My my my….Does someone have their boxers in a bunch? Look, I didn’t make the darn law. Right to Work and Employment at Will are two totally different positions, Mr. Know-it-All. I don’t care how long you have been commenting or on what before I came on board. I know how to read, and I know what it says Einstein. text to be linked

No need to apologize, I’ll just label it with your ignorance towards unions as well. Georgia needs something in place to ensure good pay and fair treatment for everyone MHS. Unions don’t sound like a bad idea. It’s a win win situation regardless. You’re a white man living in a white world so you couldn’t possibly understand.

You clearly don’t understand discrimination. I still stand by my comments regarding illegal immigrant workers. How is that discrimination? Any of the jobs they occupy are available to any and everyone else that apply. The fact they are here illegally is another story. We all do what we have to do you know? I believe that was one of the points of this story also. I’m not saying it’s right. I’m not saying it’s wrong. I’m just saying, It is, what it is.

Now dig out your wedgie!

OBAMA08

By Michael H. Smith

November 16, 2008 5:47 PM | Link to this

Blah blah.. you are clearly full of mud and ignorant. Spare me another reply of just saying, absolutely nothing.

By Michael H. Smith

November 16, 2008 6:11 PM | Link to this

From my newly elected State Representative:

On the State level, we must resist the temptation to blame our problems on “illegal immigrants”. While we cannot condone anyone violating our laws, most of the people who enter or stay in our country illegally are seeking work to earn money for their families. Yet many seek to punish these individuals while ignoring those who employ them and make money off of their illegal status. Any true attempt to address the problem of illegal immigration at the state level must focus on stopping employers from hiring individuals who have entered the country illegally. Unfortunately, many of our politicians find it easier to play to our prejudices about people who look different and speak a different language than to punish the employers who put greed above following the law.

>

You can tell this guy is definitely a lawyer. First he says we can’t condone breaking the law but then he goes on to try and do the very things he says we can’t do. Typical Lawya talk – give it to you here and take it away from you over there.

If you don’t punish those who break the law then you are condoning and rewarding those who broke the law. And… in this case, you will reward them with the very thing they sought to get as a reward for committing the crime in the first place.

Now get this part, especially get this part:

Any true attempt to address the problem of illegal immigration at the state level must focus on stopping employers from hiring individuals who have entered the country illegally.

Arizona has a law that does exactly what this guy says we ought to focus on doing by stopping employers from hiring individuals who have entered the country illegally.

I’m taking odds that my newly elected State Representative will NOT offer legislation in the next session of the General Assembly that mirrors exactly that Arizona law which has proven successful, withstood court challenge and withstood a ballot proposition to water it down into meaningless gibberish.

Well, local Dems put-up. I don’t believe a single word you guys have said. If you did I’d go even further to elaborate on a State occupation and trade licensing law that would all but nailed this thing closed shut.

PS. A question I intend to ask my new Rep. when he gets up a contact number or page: If all the illegal aliens want to do is feed their families then why are they breaking so many laws?

If poverty and just wanting to feed your family was an excuse to break the law and deserved amnesty, we could probably just about empty the jails in this country.

By NOWICUNVME

November 16, 2008 7:10 PM | Link to this

Stuff it into your Turkey! You’re just a hot bag of wind! Why are you double posting your WTF!? rhetoric rant-a-long posts again? They were ignored the first time as well.

And how about a mea culpa for your obvious not knowing your a#% from your elbow??

Go to bed Georgia Boy! Better yet; read up on something before you open your mouth and insert your foot! Wasted time playing on the poll lines on November 4th, and now you’re taking up valuable blog space with all your much ado about nada! (pun intended)

By Michael H. Smith

November 16, 2008 7:18 PM | Link to this

Blah blah Gasbag you don’t know squat. Want to see the post again? again? and uh …again?

From my newly elected State Representative:

On the State level, we must resist the temptation to blame our problems on “illegal immigrants”. While we cannot condone anyone violating our laws, most of the people who enter or stay in our country illegally are seeking work to earn money for their families. Yet many seek to punish these individuals while ignoring those who employ them and make money off of their illegal status. Any true attempt to address the problem of illegal immigration at the state level must focus on stopping employers from hiring individuals who have entered the country illegally. Unfortunately, many of our politicians find it easier to play to our prejudices about people who look different and speak a different language than to punish the employers who put greed above following the law.

>

You can tell this guy is definitely a lawyer. First he says we can’t condone breaking the law but then he goes on to try and do the very things he says we can’t do. Typical Lawya talk – give it to you here and take it away from you over there.

If you don’t punish those who break the law then you are condoning and rewarding those who broke the law. And… in this case, you will reward them with the very thing they sought to get as a reward for committing the crime in the first place.

Now get this part, especially get this part:

Any true attempt to address the problem of illegal immigration at the state level must focus on stopping employers from hiring individuals who have entered the country illegally.

Arizona has a law that does exactly what this guy says we ought to focus on doing by stopping employers from hiring individuals who have entered the country illegally.

I’m taking odds that my newly elected State Representative will NOT offer legislation in the next session of the General Assembly that mirrors exactly that Arizona law which has proven successful, withstood court challenge and withstood a ballot proposition to water it down into meaningless gibberish.

Well, local Dems put-up. I don’t believe a single word you guys have said. If you did I’d go even further to elaborate on a State occupation and trade licensing law that would all but nailed this thing closed shut.

PS. A question I intend to ask my new Rep. when he gets up a contact number or page: If all the illegal aliens want to do is feed their families then why are they breaking so many laws?

If poverty and just wanting to feed your family was an excuse to break the law and deserved amnesty, we could probably just about empty the jails in this country.

By NOWICUNVME

November 16, 2008 7:39 PM | Link to this

Don’t waste my time. I know what the right to work law says and means - better than you and spoke about it before you ever came on the scene. - Infinite Wisdom Words of Michael H. Smith!

Will the real ignorant full of mud Gasbag please stand up and take a bow!

Applause! Applause! Applause! Mr. Michael H. Smith is the winner!

BTW Titans Won! Gotta Go, Obama is on!

OBAMA08

By Michael H. Smith

November 16, 2008 7:58 PM | Link to this

Good you should go Dumbask and take your infinite stupidity with you Blowboy.

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Give me a labor shortage even with the right to work law any day of the week over a minimum wage, unions and all the worthless blather C** can dream up.

Result: High wages, good working conditions and more job security than a worker can stand. Plus you don’t have to pay dues to keep some really lousy union officials in a job.

Give me the Legal Arizona Work Act in this state and enforce it to crackdown on illegal alien employment and you will see a labor shortage very soon. :)

>

One more time for you don’t want to know who. LOL

From my newly elected State Representative:

On the State level, we must resist the temptation to blame our problems on “illegal immigrants”. While we cannot condone anyone violating our laws, most of the people who enter or stay in our country illegally are seeking work to earn money for their families. Yet many seek to punish these individuals while ignoring those who employ them and make money off of their illegal status. Any true attempt to address the problem of illegal immigration at the state level must focus on stopping employers from hiring individuals who have entered the country illegally. Unfortunately, many of our politicians find it easier to play to our prejudices about people who look different and speak a different language than to punish the employers who put greed above following the law.

>

You can tell this guy is definitely a lawyer. First he says we can’t condone breaking the law but then he goes on to try and do the very things he says we can’t do. Typical Lawya talk – give it to you here and take it away from you over there.

If you don’t punish those who break the law then you are condoning and rewarding those who broke the law. And… in this case, you will reward them with the very thing they sought to get as a reward for committing the crime in the first place.

Now get this part, especially get this part:

Any true attempt to address the problem of illegal immigration at the state level must focus on stopping employers from hiring individuals who have entered the country illegally.

Arizona has a law that does exactly what this guy says we ought to focus on doing by stopping employers from hiring individuals who have entered the country illegally.

I’m taking odds that my newly elected State Representative will NOT offer legislation in the next session of the General Assembly that mirrors exactly that Arizona law which has proven successful, withstood court challenge and withstood a ballot proposition to water it down into meaningless gibberish.

Well, local Dems put-up. I don’t believe a single word you guys have said. If you did I’d go even further to elaborate on a State occupation and trade licensing law that would all but nailed this thing closed shut.

PS. A question I intend to ask my new Rep. when he gets up a contact number or page: If all the illegal aliens want to do is feed their families then why are they breaking so many laws?

If poverty and just wanting to feed your family was an excuse to break the law and deserved amnesty, we could probably just about empty the jails in this country.

By U.S. VETERANS FOR MARTIN

November 16, 2008 10:45 PM | Link to this

DEFEAT $axby Chambli$$

By Eric

November 17, 2008 7:56 AM | Link to this

I don’t if anyone else feels this way, but I’m very frustrated over the computerized aspects involved in applying to a job. Frequently, incompatible software means an application is submitted incompletely or in error. At other times, I have had password errors, having to send an e-mail reminder, which can take a full day to receive. Many application processes are cumbersome and too lengthy to complete. You feel as if “why bother?” if there are 400 other applicants anyway. All of this because employers simply can due to the expansive and impersonal nature of technology. The days of actually talking with a person by phone or drop by the office are long gone. So much for progress!!

By Success

November 17, 2008 8:21 AM | Link to this

NOWICUNVME

FYI, I have expressed an interest in working in the fields, doing these (24/7) jobs that you say Americans wont do. I am an American who has been overlooked for very low paying jobs. I later learn these companies have gotten into some sort of trouble for hiring too many illegals. I will work fields, I will clean restrooms, I will pluck chickens or mop up.

One final thing I have to ask. How do you know my race. What if I’m black? What if I’m Hispanic or Asian. You are just assuming I’m white. Don’t be so quick to assume without knowing all the facts.

By Cindy

November 17, 2008 8:51 AM | Link to this

Eric, I agree with you on the electronic application process. The forms are progressively graded by what you answer, therefore making it more like a psyche-test, and then it goes to some corporate office where nobody is held responsible for whether or not you ever even are acknowledged.

By rowena

November 17, 2008 9:03 AM | Link to this

After working at two major law firms in Atlanta, I finally decided to come to a small firm where there are no diversity requirements because there are only 5 people in the office. At the first big firm I worked at, the head of the secretarial staff made no bones about telling people that her goal was to some day have an all black secretarial staff so I knew my days would eventually be numbered. At the next big firm, one of the black assistants lied for two years about having to have one day a week off for a family medical issue but was that person fired, no? And all the blacks in the office rallied around this person when the person was finally caught. I don’t come from money, my family never owned slaves, and I have worked hard since I was 16 years old but I am sick to death of having black supervisors who’s sole goal is to get rid of whitey.

By Michael H. Smith

November 17, 2008 9:55 AM | Link to this

BTW, the CunVnutjob says anyone can apply for the same jobs the illegals do. That shows how uninformed this clueless dope really is about companies that hire illegal aliens and how they conduct their business.

CunVnutjob has one motive and it is not about the right to work law, it’s about unionizing.

I ran across something on another blog section that confirms what I’ve said about unions having outlived their useful purpose and pricing their labor out of the market as in this example with the big three automakers:

These automakers have contracts negotiated with the United Auto Workers that impose huge costs.

The average hourly cost per worker in this country is about $28.48.

For these auto makers, it’s $73. And for the Japanese auto companies working here in the United States, it’s $48.

Hate to see Americans lose jobs but with this cost difference there is no way these union auto workers will be able to keep their job and build a competitive product.

By NOWICUNVME

November 17, 2008 3:16 PM | Link to this

Success…I don’t know what your nationality you are, and don’t care because it doesn’t matter. The comment you were referring to was directed to Michael H. Smith specifically.

Rowena and also Nana…Sounds like both of you ladies have undisputed proof of direct discrimination. You are both extremely fortunate and lucky. The black supervisors you speak appear to be utterly stupid and racist to openly and blatantly discriminate the way that you say. You have an open and shut case. Unfortunately when speaking to African Americans who claim to have been discriminated against because of their race, the discrimination appears to be unobvious and according to the EEOC, most employers do not openly discriminate because they know it opens up a major liability issue. Specifically Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. text to be linked

It appears one of the hardest things to prove is that any adverse action is race based. More often than not, employers attempt to disguise the discrimination by offering another legal excuse for the discrimination. In any event, it’s a bummer what happened to both of you. Without sounding uncaring or nonchalant, welcome to our world. Imagine going through something like this on a daily basis. Imagine your kids and other family members dealing with some form of discrimination every single day.

& To My Beloved Michael H. Smith…Get off of my jockstrap Opie, come out of the closet, this isn’t the Andy Griffith show and I’m not your Aunt Bee. Don’t hold it against me cause you got Butt F%@#%% on your daily ritual blog. Believe you me…..It’s really not that serious.

Oh, and have a wonderful blessed day!

OBAMA08

By Michael H. Smith

November 17, 2008 5:19 PM | Link to this

Blowboy is crying cause he loses again.

Saxby 08

By Laughingly Similar 2U

November 17, 2008 5:32 PM | Link to this

Success, Nana, and M. Smith. Will the real clansman please stand up. Little, little people in the land of the pointy heads. No wonder the SnowWitch rules. Palin is not going to go away. But I predict a moment of pathos that will take years to overcome as she wins dancing with the stars, or some other television feign, as the world comes to grips with itself. As we narrowly escape one crisis after another, this party girl will be teasing the extinct pre-pubescent voyeurism that fueled her ridiculous campaign. What’s next, VP’s gone wet & wild?

I would suggest your anime-ated attempts at discourse be dipped in more colorful ink because the real world aint so black and white, (nor are the characters so weirdly asian)

2 restrooms? Well, success, that gives you twice the chances to score ala Sen Craig with the old tap and flush. Real kneel and bob. You’ll be quite popular, you know.

Pendulum? Well, that means any swinging deek will do 4U, and you gotta love the loyalty to Sen Craig’s world there.

Dont even try to pretend you have a point, other than the one on your head.

By nana

November 16, 2008 9:28 AM | Link to this

Cough Syrup so it sounds like you don’t believe that white people can be discriminated against? You are incorrect sir/madam. But then again maybe you’re the manager I was referring to? Sorry it does and did happen in my case. I probably could sue over it and my friend would testify on my behalf but I’m not one to go down that road. I am a firm believer in what goes around comes around and I’m sure his day will come (as will yours).

Hi, nana. glad you liked the material. Not much really happening now. Iraq is about to explode, and only I know it. I would try to explain Y, but then I’d have to wax you, sir. I enjoyed the campaign and man I riffed so much material that I need a slight vacation.

I hope you enjoy my material as much as everyone else. I hope Atlanta and the country enjoy the fun I provide them. I think if you can get a laugh, and then influence someone to write a variation or riff back or just elevate the discussion the way I do, then I think the world’s a better place, after all, all we’ve got is each other, right?

By Michael H. Smith

November 17, 2008 5:46 PM | Link to this

or just elevate the discussion?

Better give that another try.

Saxby 08

By nana

November 17, 2008 8:56 PM | Link to this

nowicunveme sorry I can’t imagine going through that everyday. But I’m not that old and don’t remember seeing or hearing personally any of the discrimination that black folks dealt with. I have only heard of it second hand so I’m not so sure that your “welcome to our world fits me or for that matter my generation. I don’t think that because it has happened to black folks that I can take your explanation. It almost sounds to me like you’re saying it’s my turn to be discriminated against? I seriously doubt my old manager was every treated as badly as you or your family may have been as he’s younger than I am….maybe I’m wrong about that but there’s no doubt he is a racist.

laughingly similar 2 u what kind of drugs are you on?

By Cindy

November 17, 2008 8:58 PM | Link to this

I remember when this USED TO BE a good blog.

Michael, sweetie pie, I’ve always (since I was pointed to this blog and Woody’s blog earlier this year) enjoyed you and looked for your posts…however, as of late, you’ve fallen into a trap. You’re waaay smarter than that and I expect better from you.

I’m not totally convinced that NOWICUNVME is the same person posting with that name that previously did. Doesn’t have the manners nor the same writing style. If it is the same person, I guess I’m just too dang stupid to post here with y’all.

In my world, people don’t treat each other like this. I’ve checked this blog each day waiting for it to get back to normal. My interest is slowly dwindling. I guess if this is how it’s going to be though, i’ll just bow out gracefully and let you all have it.

Cindy :(

By Michael H. Smith

November 17, 2008 9:34 PM | Link to this

Not to worry Cindy they only get hostile and verbally violent when you reveal them. Then they’re trapped. I mean dragging up a race rant is like resorting to the use of Hitler in a debate as a last resort.

By NOWICUNVME

November 17, 2008 10:53 PM | Link to this

Not to worry Cindy they only get hostile and verbally violent when you reveal them. Okay, can someone please clarify who they is referring to in this sentence? Sounds like a stereotype to me. I’ve been done with MHS, but I would like to resond to Cindy.

Cindy…I know Michael is your boy. We even commented on this fact earlier, and that is fine. Let me just tell you that except for the few times Jais posted comments under my screen name I am the original NOWICUNVME. I have been accused of being a BW alias and maybe one or two others. I always post under this name, and when Jais posted under my name I was livid. I emailed Mr. Badie and wanted to know if there was anything that could be done. It’s kinda like identity theft. I have no reason to perpetrate the fraud and be something I’m not. With that being said, in all fairness, go back and look at the posts from the beginning. For all I have, and all I know, I am a very humble person; but I am a human being. If someone bites, you bite back. I know you’ll agree with me on this one, because I’ve seen a few of your snapbacks also. :}

Review the comments carefully from the beginning till the end. MHS became angry when I pointed out he was misinformed regarding, Right to Work, Employee at Will, and Unions. Just before that he attacked me unprovoked withDon’t waste my time. I know what the right to work law says and means - better than you and spoke about it before you ever came on the scene. He then went on to call me full of mud, Gasbags, ignorant, Blowboy, etc. etc. etc.

I understand the blog is for viewing different opinions of different people. All I was really trying to figure out was how to go about getting rid of a law doctrine that I find absolutely and positively absurd and oppressive. Somehow, I got swept into the illegal alien debate as well. Even though, I clearly stated I was actually neutral on this issue. I did offer some suggestions as to why so many of the immigrants here illegal are able to find steady work. Again, my opinion. Next, he attempts to once again bite off my signature OBAMA08 by using $AXBY 08. Now cmon…let’s be original.

and Lastly…Look how many times your boy reposted his rant-a-long, thus reducing himself to behaving like a spoiled child, and yes you are correct, I also replied back because, let’s face it, some of us just have to try to have the last word. :}

It’s all still good though. Life is good. God is good.

OBAMA08

By Cindy

November 17, 2008 11:20 PM | Link to this

NOWICUNVME, You’re absolutely correct…I’ve posted a few snippy and a few downright rude comments, haven’t I? I know, I know…we are all human. (if we had emoticons, I’d use the embarrassed face one here).

I don’t know Michael, except on here, and you’re right, he is my boy. However, to be quite honest, you always have been too. I’ve always looked for your posts to see what you had to say.

Y’all, me and a few others…we rule this blog! Ok, maybe not, haha, but it’s a cinch we do each like it here anyway. Yes?

And none of us are stupid or ignorant or we’d have run out of things to say long ago.

All I ask is that when we do disagree and go off on a tangent…let’s try to come back to some semblance of normalcy.
Please?

To give me my due, I fussed at Michael about his behavior. He’s being a much better boy now. Y’all play nice, ok? At least play a little nicer than the current trend?

Michael might’ve been countering your OBAMA08 with Saxby08…if so I missed it…I thought he was just backing me up for saying it last week.

I’m glad we all had this talk. :) I knew y’all didn’t want to run me off!!! Ok, Ok, just kidding. I’m sure me being here or not played no part. But let a girl think she matters anyway. :)

By Michael H. Smith

November 17, 2008 11:31 PM | Link to this

Dead wrong CunV but it really doesn’t matter to me what you think. As I pointed out I know what the right to work law says and what you object to and why. That point goes more to your want of Unions not some idea that getting rid of this law will end discrimination. Employers really didn’t need this law to fire someone for an arbitrary reason, which is just as good as no reason at all, before right to work ever became a law. But it did under unions.

End of Story.

By Michael H. Smith

November 17, 2008 11:35 PM | Link to this

correction: But it did undermine unions.

By Cindy

November 17, 2008 11:47 PM | Link to this

sigh. Good night fellas.

By BW

November 18, 2008 3:03 AM | Link to this

Go Saxby, Go Bush, just look what we did for you!!!!

By Eric

November 18, 2008 7:28 AM | Link to this

To Cindy on Nov. 17 thanks for replying about computer applications null and void in corporate offices. A terrible barrier to employment. How ironic that people are trying to get jobs, but technology limits access to such jobs rather than making it easier. You’re right, so much of it is a psyche-test. I think so much of this is by design to keep people out of the workforce, hence reduced payroll and benefits.

By Laughingly Similar 2U

November 18, 2008 1:19 PM | Link to this

Well I never…..

By Cindy

November 18, 2008 3:21 PM | Link to this

It’s never too late…

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