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A friend defends Carter’s meeting with Hamas
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
My friend Tony Honein admires Jimmy Carter.
His family has attended the former president’s Sunday school class at Maranatha Baptist, Carter’s church in Plains. They’ve had photographs taken with Rosalynn and Jimmy. One of those pictures was prominently featured in the Honeins’ Christmas letter.
“He’s a hero of mine,” Honein said.
In Carter, Honein sees a leader who’s respected nationally and internationally. Even more appealing to Honein is that the Nobel Peace Prize winner grew up in, by many accounts, a podunk town.
“His humble background is an example of how great America is,” Honein wrote in an —mail, “and how the American Dream can truly be that of any hardworking person.”
The other day Honein and I discussed Carter’s eye-raising trip to the Middle East to meet Hamas rulers. I wanted his perspective. It’s a world view.
Honein grew up in Beirut and attended school there until the start of the civil war in Lebanon. He finished high school in France, then earned a marketing degree from Indiana University. He worked nearly two decades as an executive for an international tobacco company, logging time in several countries. Europe. Africa. Parts of the Middle East. He and his wife, Margaret, eventually moved to America.
Now, metro Atlanta is home.
The United States does not deal with Hamas - the Palestinian faction that controls the Gaza Strip - and regards it as a terror group. So do Europe and Israel. Carter’s unsolicited, freelance diplomacy drew sharp criticism from the international community and was rebuked by the Bush administration.
Honein, who runs LebaneseBooks.com, an online catalog that specializes in Middle Eastern topics, condoned it.
“I think it is a sad day when attempts to bridge differences between warring parties are vilified,” he said. “There is only one organization with whom we should never negotiate, but must pursue, defeat and bring to justice, and that is al-Qaida and bin Laden.”
In other words, somebody, some trusted leader from a world power, had to take the risk, to try dialogue. He or she may fail, as Carter apparently did in trying to gain concessions, but it’s worth it.
Diplomacy, by its very nature, requires dialogue twixt all parties, including enemies. It’s a basic tenet, no matter how powerful and principled those with a vested interest in negotiating pretend to be. Talk to everyone. It doesn’t mean you condone terrorist behavior or that you’re rewarding it. And if you can’t see beyond that, and (wrongly) consider Carter a grandstander, then bite on reality: With no dialogue, without Hamas at the table, there will be no justice, no peace, no political progress between the Palestinians and Israel.
“No one was under any illusion that a comprehensive peace in the Middle East would be achieved during President Carter’s visit,” Honein told me. “There should always be attempts at making peace.”
Someone needs to talk to Hamas.
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By J.James
April 24, 2008 8:30 AM | Link to this
“Diplomacy, by its very nature, requires dialogue twixt all parties, including enemies.”
oh Yeah? Is that what took place between Hamas and Fatah when they took over Gaza?…it seems to me I remember a scene involving Hamas militants marching the P.A. members out into the street and shooting them like dogs.
I guess that is diplomacy the Hamas way.
You can try to defend the indefensible (i.e. a “dialogue” with cold-blooded terrorist killers), but the utter depravity of your arguments will be exposed…
By JeremiahWright
April 24, 2008 8:39 AM | Link to this
He legitimized terrorists who didn’t, and still don’t, believe Israel has a right to exist. He gave credibility to terrorists who have been directly or indirectly involved in the deaths of Americans. They mocked him just like Iran did during his administration. He’s apparently too stupid to learn from his mistakes. A bad President has become an even worse former President.
By LMAO
April 24, 2008 8:46 AM | Link to this
I grew up in South Georgia. My Dad taught Jimmy Carter. He needs to stay home and enjoy retirement rather than going abroad and making a fool of himself.
By Earl
April 24, 2008 8:58 AM | Link to this
You can’t defend the actions of this crazy old senile man. He should have his passport pulled and not allowed to travel. He does not represent Amercia or our interest in any positive or official way. He was the worst nightmare of a President we have had to endure in recent history, just horrible. One good thing I like about this old man is that he just handed McCain about 40 per cent of the Amercian Jewish vote in the general election. He is a superdelegate for the Dems and he supports Obama. With this said the Jewish vote will overwhelmingly go to McCain just like it did in record numbers for Raegan in 1980 when the anti-Jewish nutcase Carter was wiped off the face of the politcal landscape by Raegan. After the election in which Carter will help McCain to be elected, he can then lay down and die.
By Jimmy Who?
April 24, 2008 9:16 AM | Link to this
Used to respect and admire the ex-prez but his time is now over - he needs to realize his influence has waned, his ideas are flawed, and it’s time to stay home, sleep late, have a cup of coffee on the verandah every morning and enjoy the time he has with Rosalynn.
By Hal
April 24, 2008 9:18 AM | Link to this
Reading these comments makes me shake my head, as usual. TV programmed zombies, and a zionist jew (Earl). I guess it never occurs to so many (excluding you Earl) that America had no Islamic terrorism problem before land was stolen and given to Jews for that terrorist, blood-sucking leech called Israel.
Jimmy Carter is of the highest integrity, but suddenly we are told he is the WORST of everything (when are the rumors of child molestation gonna begin Earl? You zionists have tried to insultdiscredit him in usual ways so far; it can only get more bizarre.) Mr. Carter is a man of peace (ever hear of the Nobel Peace Prize Earl? Carter was awarded it.) It was a nice try from President Carter, but I frankly don’t ever see Israel making peace with ANYONE. Peace is not, and never has been on their radar screen. Israel is a nation built on tterrorism, with numerous former PM’s being documented terrorists:
Begin, Sharon, Shamir, etc.
By songbird
April 24, 2008 9:18 AM | Link to this
Earl - the worst President in US history is the one in office now. This Jew will be voting for Obama in November or Hilliary, if she gets the nom. You can’t even spell Reagan’s name correctly. LMAO!!!!!
By Willie
April 24, 2008 9:22 AM | Link to this
We do not need to talk to Hamas. We do not need to talk to Israel. Just support Israel and let Israel take care of the terrorist Hamas. We spend too much time and money trying to appease liberals and terrorists. If you shoot a rocket at my family, please do not expect any type of rapport with me. I will do everything I can to take you out. Honein is correct about Bin Ladin and al-Qaida but is very near sighted about Hamas and Palestinians. They have to change or they will have to be taken out. I say gain—let Israel do what they must and give them our support.
By ron
April 24, 2008 9:26 AM | Link to this
Hamas needs to be talked to.By the Palestinian people.They need to be talked to forcefully.By the Palestinian people.But since they’re the fools that put them in power,it isn’t likely that they’ll be talking to them forcefully very soon.Therefore it’s up to the rest of the world to talk to them ,forcefully.Jimmy Carter is not the man to do this.
By LC
April 24, 2008 9:27 AM | Link to this
I thought I would detect some sarcasm in those comments but I didn’t. To vilify talking to anyone is just stupid. But considering the attitude of this administration I don’t find it strange. Reagan talked to Brezhnev(sic), Nixon talked to Mao. Now tell me who is responsible for more deaths, Russia under communism, China under communism, or Hamas? Talking never hurts it can only help.
By gwardan
April 24, 2008 9:28 AM | Link to this
Pull his passport? How can you even be serious about that statement? The man meet with a terrorist group and talked to them about not being terrorist. That has the be the most outlandish thing ever to happen. I do not like what the old man. I think he is a socialist nut job but he has that lovely right to be one.
By mr. nice
April 24, 2008 9:29 AM | Link to this
If Hamas quit shooting rockets into Israel, recognized Israel’s right to exist, they might be worth talking to. But until then, they should be killed everytime they launch a rocket.
By Charles
April 24, 2008 9:36 AM | Link to this
Sorry - Jimmy Carter’s actions are indefensible. Until Hamas removes the following from their Charter they should not be addressed:
Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it
These thugs and murderers will not stop until they wipe Israel off the face of the Earth - the same goes for Iran.
Mr. Carter’s passport needs to be seized when he comes back home. Its the same action that would be taken with anyone else.
By The Truth
April 24, 2008 9:57 AM | Link to this
Hal, you’re either a self-hating jew or or an anti-semite. Land stolen from Palestinians? Really? You need to look at history and understand that the “Palestinians”, who, by the way are not even a recognized state, tried to push the Jews in to the ocean.
songbird, Go ahead and vote Obama, who is supported by muslim terrorists, and see where that gets you. Osama Obama is about to get POUNDED. His church says that Israel is a terrorist state and that Jews are evil. Your confidence in this moron blinds you.
By Jan
April 24, 2008 9:58 AM | Link to this
Jimmy Carter was always a FOOL, but there is really nothing comparable to the OLD FOOL he has become. Basically, he is so egotistical, it is amazing. I definitely agree that his passport should be voided. He has no conception of negotiation, as clearly evidenced by his disasterous presidency. It is a shame Georgia has to be associated with him. Perhaps he could be relocated to somewhere so obscure he will be unable to find an international airport. Although no one in their right mind would seriously consider his views as important, he looks like an idiot to the rest of the world. As for the Nobel Peace Prize, that too is a joke in this era. If Carter received it, anyone could be awarded it, and it certainly has nothing to do with intelligence or negotiating peace anywhere.
By Sarah
April 24, 2008 10:02 AM | Link to this
Hal, aren’t you late for your KKK meeting? Carter is deplorable and has been reduced to a joke. Actually he and his hillbilly inbred family were jokes when he was in office. Poor Nancy REAGAN, with all her class and pedigree (old money Hal, something you’ll never understand….most white trash don’t) had to redecorate the While House after these two peanut farmers, void of any class or good breeding left the place looking like the set of Hee-Haw. There isn’t a huge market for wholesale wagonwheel furniture. And to you ‘songbird’, your Obama was just creamed the other night. Did you notice how few white males votes he received, those votes will be for McCain. There will be no democrat in office as President in 2008, I repeat…no Democrat in office in 2008.
By blackjacket
April 24, 2008 10:08 AM | Link to this
Carter is still as big of a joke as when he was president. all he’s concerned with is building his legacy (lol) which is as lousy as ever. The old phart needs to go to Plains, eat peanuts and sit around and phart, instead of screwing up our foreign matters.
By TTFN
April 24, 2008 10:23 AM | Link to this
Hal you certainly are a complete idiot. Amazing how you try and defend the WORST President this country has ever had in my lifetime. I quess you forgotten the gas crisis, 18% mortgage rates, the Iranian hostage situation which made the US look like moron’s to the rest of the world and on and on. The Nobel Peace Prize.. Really… And how did Anwar Sadat fare in that peace process.
You might want to get a little education regarding Israel. There is the little ole book called the Bible that might help you understand the State of Israel and the land that belongs to them.
You also should look up www.ynetnews.com and see what Israel faces each day from Hamas (terrorist group) Palestinians (terrorist group). You would be crying your little eyes out if you got rockets blasted into your McMansion every day. Go ahead and vote for Obama, and see terror in this country rise dramatically.
You must have went to a government school since your educational knowledge is pathetic.
By Pierce Randall
April 24, 2008 10:25 AM | Link to this
Jimmy Carter is one of the reasons I’m proud to have lived in this state for my entire life. He is a man of peace, and, unlike many US presidents, can actually be credited with economic success as the real GDP of the nation even after inflation was higher in 1980 than 1976, and because he appointed the historically-lionized Paul Volcker to head the Federal Reserve. (A big chink in the pro-growth baloney contemporary conservatives wrap themselves in, by the way — successful, tough economists who are liberal Democrats. Volcker is endorsing Obama, if anyone cares.)
Any simple truth about diplomacy itself is a complex, misleading lie. I think no legitimate foreign policy stance would include either the mantra “we never talk to our enemies” or “we always talk to our enemies.” Reasonable steps have to be taken, however, to attain the best possible situation out there. Most Israelis support engaging Hamas at this point.
I think it’s funny that the main foreign policy difference President Bush ran on in 2000 was that he was going to stop direct negotiation with North Korea and instead direct all communication through 6-party talks. That failed, of course, horribly. Now, Bush literally had to go on his hands and knees, offering North Korea a richer subsidy deal with fewer concessions on monitoring their nuclear situation, and in the meantime they became a nuclear state anyway. That’s the discredited, knee-jerk ideology we should apply now to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict?
Something I think similiarly hypocritical, but not funny, is that I imagine a lot of Carter maligners are the same people who preach Southern heritage and conflate it with the righteous indignation at changing the confederate flag. One thing that supposedly defines the south is its defense of its own people. I’m tired of hearing people who claim to hold dearly to some sentimental attachment of regional identity agree with Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh — themselves New Yorkers — in not only disagreeing with Jimmy Carter, but denigrating the man personally. If you care about the land and people south of the Mason-Dixon, and their historical identity, you should give your children an example to be proud of, that uplifts them — to believe that one day they too can be respected diplomats, presidents, and leaders of organizations that support the cause of democracy worldwide — instead of leaving them to skulk in the shadows of ignorance and impoverishment with only poorly-defined values of regional identity to carry to future generations. And the more we censoriously and speciously attack the man, the more those values become meaningless.
(Israeli nationalists would defend, simultaneously, Sharon, Peres, Ben-Gurion, and Meir, if a Palestinian or an American similiarly insulted them.)
By thogwummpy
April 24, 2008 10:28 AM | Link to this
Twixt all parties huh?!?! I guess Rick thinks we should be negotiating with Bin Laden. Rick, you have ZERO doctrinal training (otherwise, you’d embrace the first maxim: resolve is the currency of doctrine) and are a rank amatuer. JIMMY CARTER is reckless in his buffoon stunt with Hamas. Actions have implications, and by undercutting the policy of the United States, Carter communicates that this nation has no effective policy authority…and therefore all our diplomatic efforts in the region—-are implied impotent. Liberals love to undermine (after all, undermining pragmatic tradition is what progressive reform is all about…), and Carter is pathological. A man who thinks a swimming bunny is dangerous…but thinks Saddam wasn’t; is NOT the guy we want playing fast and loose with American policy!
By LT5000
April 24, 2008 10:36 AM | Link to this
What a surprise. Hamas endorses Obama for President and then Badie comes out and defends them.
Where was Badie’s article on Carter when numerous people resigned form the Carter Center due to Jimmuh’s Anti-Semitism?
Yes, that’s right, there wasn’t one.
LT5000
By The Truth
April 24, 2008 10:39 AM | Link to this
Pierce Randall, You’re kidding right? Economic success? Really? Because Jimma got his arse kicked out of the White House by the GREATEST president of the last 50 years. Jimmy is an embarrassment on a massive scale my friend. Liberals are terrible at being President. I don’t like a lot of things W has done but he is not nearly as bad as that guy was. As far as my children being proud of someone, it would be a person like Ronald Reagan. A real leader.
By LT5000
April 24, 2008 10:48 AM | Link to this
During an interview on WABC radio Sunday, top Hamas political adviser Ahmed Yousef said the terrorist group supports Obama’s foreign policy vision.
“We don’t mind–actually we like Mr. Obama. We hope he will (win) the election and I do believe he is like John Kennedy, great man with great principle, and he has a vision to change America to make it in a position to lead the world community but not with domination and arrogance,” Yousef said in response to a question about the group’s willingness to meet with either of the Democratic presidential candidates.
Any questions about what America would be like with Barack Hussein Obama as President?
http://cameron.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/04/16/a-hamas-problem-for-obama/
LT5000
By anonymouscoward
April 24, 2008 10:53 AM | Link to this
I can’t wait to move out of this ignorant back-a*******ward state whose people are characterized by the opinions expressed here. Just 2 more years… if I can only hold on.
By Cammi317
April 24, 2008 10:55 AM | Link to this
He did not legitimize them by talking to them. They exist and everyone knows they exist. That region of the world is filled with people who fight first and talk later. I applaud him for the effort, eventhough in the end it was fruitless. At least he tried and his heart was in the right place.
By The Truth
April 24, 2008 11:06 AM | Link to this
anonymouscoward, don’t let the door hit you on the way out. Can you please take Jimma with you?
By Jen
April 24, 2008 11:06 AM | Link to this
Maybe President Carter is suffering from dementia as are many elderly Americans, for example, like Andrew Young. They are unable to hide their latent anti-semetic feelings in their old age.
By mjk
April 24, 2008 11:19 AM | Link to this
Deaths in Northern Ireland related to The Troubles was in the hundreds during the 1970s. Since an agreement was negotiated in the late 1990’s, deaths have been less than 20 per year.
The British government for years insisted that the IRA and Sinn Fein were terrorist organizations. It wasn’t until they met at the bargaining table that the violence diminished.
By Pierce Randall
April 24, 2008 11:20 AM | Link to this
The alleged “Truth”:
I give facts, you respond with assertion sans warrant.
I’ll give you the story, and you can do whatever you want with it: In the early 70s, inflation hit, largely because of LBJ forcing his hand against the federal reserve to cut rates in the 60s. Nixon took us off the gold standard. Ford fought inflation unsuccessfully. Carter had to grapple with double-digit inflation for most of his administration. He appointed Paul Volcker to chair the Fed. Volcker raised rates monstrously, and actually did a good job of working the inflation out of the system. That led to an economic downturn in the early 80s, but set Reagan up to look much better in numbers than anything he accomplished. Reagan inherited his reserve chair, and managed to see an artificially-deflated economy correct itself after inflation had been dealt with. Carter was dealt a tough hand, but did what he could — appointed one of the best Fed chairs we’ve ever had (one who succeeded in bringing down nasty 70s inflation), and nonetheless saw the real GDP rise during his administration. It wasn’t perfect, but if you look at real measures of what a president can actually do about the economy — appoint a federal reserve chair on the front end and have a tax/spend policy in relation to economic cycles on the back end — Carter did a pretty good job. The early 80s recession was cashing in the check on fixing the inflation crisis. Meanwhile, Reagan saw a crippling recession after the crash in ‘87, because his deregulation and irresponsible tax policies created a system without a lot of the counter-cyclical checks and balances that were built in after the New Deal. (Reagan’s increased military deficit spending is arguably counter-cyclical, but it nevertheless served as a poor replacement to other government programs in advancing consumer spending and thus calming business in a panic.) The same thing, interestingly, happened to Clinton’s economy after his presidency in 2001-2003, but that could be argued to be the effect of Greenspan’s bubble by over-accomodating interest rates (which we’re paying for twicely now; Greenspan, everyone knows, is claims to be a lassiez-faire Objectivist, for God’s sake). In any case, that point would still dimish some of the love fest people have for the “Clinton economy,” but Clinton’s own policies are debatable and fairly moderate.
By GW
April 24, 2008 11:20 AM | Link to this
My fellow true believers,
It has come to my attention that some of you are trying to think. Now stop it. I do your thinking for you. I will decide when we will blow the crap out of Hamas and Syria and Iran and North Korea. You loyal true believers just need to get your lazy buttocks down to the recruiting station and volunteer. You get a free gun and bullets to use for scavenging. Praise be to the gun.
Your Welcome, Your True Leader, GW
By Pierce Randall
April 24, 2008 11:23 AM | Link to this
The alleged “Truth”:
I give facts, you respond with assertion sans warrant.
I’ll give you the story, and you can do whatever you want with it: In the early 70s, inflation hit, largely because of LBJ forcing his hand against the federal reserve to cut rates in the 60s. Nixon took us off the gold standard. Ford fought inflation unsuccessfully. Carter had to grapple with double-digit inflation for most of his administration. He appointed Paul Volcker to chair the Fed. Volcker raised rates monstrously, and actually did a good job of working the inflation out of the system. That led to an economic downturn in the early 80s, but set Reagan up to look much better in numbers than anything he accomplished. Reagan inherited his reserve chair, and managed to see an artificially-deflated economy correct itself after inflation had been dealt with. Carter was dealt a tough hand, but did what he could — appointed one of the best Fed chairs we’ve ever had (one who succeeded in bringing down nasty 70s inflation), and nonetheless saw the real GDP rise during his administration. It wasn’t perfect, but if you look at real measures of what a president can actually do about the economy — appoint a federal reserve chair on the front end and have a tax/spend policy in relation to economic cycles on the back end — Carter did a pretty good job. The early 80s recession was cashing in the check on fixing the inflation crisis. Meanwhile, Reagan saw a crippling recession after the crash in ‘87, because his deregulation and irresponsible tax policies created a system without a lot of the counter-cyclical checks and balances that were built in after the New Deal. (Reagan’s increased military deficit spending is arguably counter-cyclical, but it nevertheless served as a poor replacement to other government programs in advancing consumer spending and thus calming business in a panic.) The same thing, interestingly, happened to Clinton’s economy after his presidency in 2001-2003, but that could be argued to be the effect of Greenspan’s bubble by over-accomodating interest rates (which we’re paying for twicely now; Greenspan, everyone knows, is claims to be a lassiez-faire Objectivist, for God’s sake). In any case, that point would still dimish some of the love fest people have for the “Clinton economy,” but Clinton’s own policies are debatable and fairly moderate.
The truth hurts, doesn’t it?
By TTFN
April 24, 2008 11:25 AM | Link to this
anonymouscoward
Delta is ready when you are..
By Hal
April 24, 2008 11:28 AM | Link to this
Sarah, you and “The Truth” are clearly zionist jews, i.e. Israel-firsters, regardless of how much genocide they commit. Everything you two wrote—every bagel-chomping insult—screams what you are. The handle “The Truth” is particularly typical and amusing. But I must address TFFN here. It wrote:
“Hal you certainly are a complete idiot. Amazing how you try and defend the WORST President this country has ever had in my lifetime. I quess you forgotten the gas crisis, 18% mortgage rates, the Iranian hostage situation which made the US look like moron’s to the rest of the world and on and on. “
Turn of the idiot box and take a listen. The rates in 1980 were bad for borrowers, but GREAT for savers. Ever think of that? But saving is apparently foreign to you. And what do you think the world thinks of America now? Huh?
“The Nobel Peace Prize.. Really… “
Yes, really.
“You might want to get a little education regarding Israel. There is the little ole book called the Bible that might help you understand the State of Israel and the land that belongs to them. “
LOL! Do you say this with a straight face? Please say you’re trying to crack a joke.
“You also should look up www.ynetnews.com and see what Israel faces each day from Hamas (terrorist group) Palestinians (terrorist group). You would be crying your little eyes out if you got rockets blasted into your McMansion every day. “
These primative rockets never hit anything…a doghouse maybe every once in a while. They aren’t much, but they are an attempt at retaliation at Israel’s illegal occupation and crimes against their people.
“Go ahead and vote for Obama, and see terror in this country rise dramatically.”
I never stated who I’m voting for, but it won’t be McBush. It is Obama by default.
“You must have went to a government school since your educational knowledge is pathetic.”
Must have WENT to a government school? This is too funny for words. Zionists just luuuuuvvv dopes like you.
By GW
April 24, 2008 11:37 AM | Link to this
My loyal true believers,
It has come to my attention that some of you non-believers don’t believe. Well, let me tell you what. I’ll have you know that I have a great big 72% loyal non-believer following. So, you just put that in your stinking non-believer pipe and smoke it. Not even that lousy no good Reagan even comes close to my record. I just wished I had studied a little bit when my daddy paid to get me out of the house. I might have been able to get a Noble prize as well. Dang it.
Your Welcome, Your Leader, GW
By TTFN
April 24, 2008 11:50 AM | Link to this
anonymouscoward
Delta is ready when you are..
By TTFN
April 24, 2008 11:56 AM | Link to this
anonymouscoward
Delta is ready when you are..
By slim
April 24, 2008 12:04 PM | Link to this
Much like his idol Carter, Hal is a tremendous liar:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/04/theexpulsionlibel1948arab.html
It is well documented record that Carter lies tremendously about the Jews, and accepts hundreds of thousands of Saudi dollars that are so filthy that even Harvard gave them back.
Some might say that this would compromise his integrity.
Go to hirhome.com to learn the truth about the palestinian movement, and what geopolitical forces support it.
Oh, and Hal, your ‘genocide’ claims are entirely laughable considering that palestinian birth rates have grown tremendously since Israel gained power in 1967. Provision of medicine, utilities, water, education to people (as Israel has done) tend to do this.
By Nativebird
April 24, 2008 12:08 PM | Link to this
“America has a lot of work to do. It started when America took the Native Indians land and relugated them to camps that later turned into reservations. We put Japanese Americans in concentration camps during World War II, and of course America enslaved black people, put them fields, raped the women, and treated all of these races inhumanely. God Damn America!”
SOME FACTS: *OBAMA IS A CHRISTIAN, WITH NO TIES TO TERRORISM *HIS FORMER PASTOR LOVES AMERICA BUT JUST LIKE MOST FOLKS HAS PROBLEMS WITH THINGS THAT HAVE TRANSPIRED OVER THE YEARS TO ALL AMERICAN’S BUT ESPECIALLY BLACK AMERICAN’S, BECAUSE HE IS BLACK *THERE HAS TO BE CAREFUL DIALOGUE BETWEEN PARTIES FOR ANYTHING TO GET ACCOMPLISHED *JIMMY CARTER HAS WON A NOBEL PEACE PRIZE BECAUSE THE WORLD UNDERSTANDS HIS MOTIVES *GEORGE BUSH AND HIS RIGHT-WING POLICIES HAVE CAUSED GREAT HARM TO OUR STANDING IN THE WORLD *THE RIGHT WING MORAL MAJORITY IS THANKFULLY DIMINISHING, SOON THERE WILL BE MORE PEOPLE OF COLOR IN THE US THAN WHITE. WE MUST LEARN TO WORK TOGETHER.
For those of you who claim to know everything, this is some of Rev. Wright’s sermon. The part that most of you got was, “God Damn America!”. His sermon (if you listen to it from the beginning) talks of America coming together to treat all of her people equally, not that he hates America. That is part of the mis-information that FOX, RUSH L., SEAN H., and the rest of the right-wing, hate-mongering, conservative outcasts, lame, mean, insensitive, racist, media want you to hear. BE SMARTER THAN THAT, “SARAH”, “EARL”, and “JAN”. mmmmmmmm sounds like your white and ignorant. GO FIGURE. OK, sometimes you have to put people in the same position that the people that they don’t understand or hate for them to wake up and be more compassionate and care. So let’s put you “3 STOOGES” in these positioins for a minute(just for sh$%t’s and giggles). Let’s say you guys are related, your family has settled on a certain plot of land for several years, planted crops, and lived off of the land. You had rights to live off of the land but no formal documents or payment. Now I come and say that this land is my holy land and I prepare docs to purchase and harvest the land. I start taking your land, drawing borders without your consent, etc. I have a lot of money, know the law or create it, and I have military might. I relugate you to a portion of the land you use to control. TAKE THAT, TAKE THAT. YOU ARE A PALESTINIAN! Arabs lead simple lives, they are not about abundance, but they do need a place to lay their head unencumbered, without fear, etc. When noone is talking, and noone is listening, land is being taken, people are being mistreated, etc., PEOPLE WILL THROW ROCKS, SHOOT AT ANYONE ON THE OTHER SIDE, BLOW UP THEMSELVES, ETC! You (the Palestinians) have no tanks, no money, a few outdated guns, and no organized government. BUT YOU ARE HUMAN, I TOO AM HUMAN, SO THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME DIALOGUE BETWEEN OUR LEADERS TO NEGOCIATE THE BEST TERMS FOR BOTH OF US. UNBIASED OVERSIGHT (THIS IS WHAT JIMMY CARTER HAD THE AUDACITY TO TRY TO BE) IS ONE WAY TO COME TO AN AGREEMENT. BUT THE DIALOGUE MUST TAKE PLACE. IF NOT, THE KILLING AND IGNORANCE WILL CONTINUE.
JIMMY CARTER HAS A GREAT HEART FOR HUMANITY. HE HATES TO SEE PEOPLE SUFFER. HE IS A DEVOTE CHRISTIAN AND LOVES ALL PEOPLE. HE UNDERSTANDS THAT PEOPLE ARE A PRODUCT OF THEIR ENVIRONMENT AND THAT PEOPLE CAN CHANGE. I BELIEVE THAT GOD WILL REWARD HIM WELL FOR HIS DEEDS. WHAT WILL BE YOUR FATE? HOW MUCH LOVE HAVE YOU TRIED TO SPREAD? OR DO YOU JUST SPEW YOUR HATRED? WE ALL WILL BE JUDGED, SO YOU CAN WALK AROUND UP HERE AND ACT IN A MANNER THAT IS NOT PLEASING TO THE CREATOR, OR YOU CAN DO THE RIGHT THING AND SUPPORT ALL HUMANITY. HUMBLE YOURSELF, WORK ON YOUR OWN FEARS AND INSECURITIES, HELP OTHERS! EVEN IF JIMMY CARTER DID NOT FOSTER A PEACE AGREEMENT ON THIS TRIP, HE HAS DONE HIS PART TO TRY TO LAY THE FOUNDATION FOR DIALOGUE, AN AGREEMTENT, AND PEACE IN THAT REGION. GOD BLESS AMERICA, JIMMY CARTER, AND ALL PEOPLE THAT CARE ABOUT OTHER FOLK, CAUSE I BELIEVE THAT WE MUST LIVE TOGETHER.”
By Susan
April 24, 2008 12:14 PM | Link to this
Jimmy Carter is a hero and I’m sick of everyone treating him so badly. I am a trained mediator and have seen how well mediations can work but BOTH sides must be involved. Weapons are not the way to solve problems.
Susan
By TTFN
April 24, 2008 12:16 PM | Link to this
anonymouscoward
Delta is ready when you are..
By godawgs90
April 24, 2008 12:16 PM | Link to this
Carter has never met a dictator that he didn’t hug and his meeting with Hamas, against the present administrations wishes, is just par for the course. As president, he ran this country into the ground. Our military was too weak to save the lives of hostages in Iran, inflation was out of control, and interest rates were double digits. These are things that make him a terrible president and what makes his opinions today unwelcomed. As for being a Nobel Peace Prize winner…so was the leader of the PLO, a terrorist group, and Al Gore, an idiot. That prize no longer has the clout that it once did.
By Charles
April 24, 2008 12:16 PM | Link to this
The following are links to Islamic renouncements to acts of terrorism by Islamic extremist groups:
crickets chirping
Any questions?
By Flash
April 24, 2008 12:30 PM | Link to this
Jimmy needs to pick more peanuts and leave foreign policy to State Department. He is an embarrassment to the state of GA.
By TTFN
April 24, 2008 12:36 PM | Link to this
HAL
These primative rockets never hit anything…a doghouse maybe every once in a while. They aren’t much, but they are an attempt at retaliation at Israel’s illegal occupation and crimes against their people.
Thank you for proving my point. You are certainly a complete idiot if you believe that rockets never hit anything. You are truly living in la-la land. Israel gets attacked by rockets almost every day.
Turn of the idiot box and take a listen. The rates in 1980 were bad for borrowers, but GREAT for savers. Ever think of that? But saving is apparently foreign to you. And what do you think the world thinks of America now? Huh?
Wow, great post.. It’s the borrowers that move the economy, not the savers. Yes, it was a great time to have a CD, worst time to buy a house. What the world thinks of the US now? That until GW leaves office, the world will understand that messing with the United States will have serious consequences. God help us if Hillary or Obama gets in office.
Israel’s illegal occupation.. Why don’t you go over to the Gaza and buy a house. We don’t need people like you in this country. Zionist, you bet. Israel does not belong to terrorist groups like Hamas. Why don’t you invite Hamas to dinner.
Back on track, Carter is the worst President I have seen in my lifetime. Reagan took us back to times of great prosperity. He told Russia to tear down the wall and they complied. We went from the worst military under Carter that was an embarrassment to the mightiest, most formidable military in the world.
Sorry Hal, you are truly an idiot and the product of the failing government schools who preach (without God mentioned of course) that we can have peace instead of wars. Give me a break.
By 2AFan
April 24, 2008 12:40 PM | Link to this
Nativebird, Obama is like a Whack-a-Mole machine. You push down one bad thing and two more pop up.
Please explain why it’s presidential to have a “spiritual adviser” who insists the government invented HIV to kill AAs. Then, explain Barry’s relationship with Weathermen terrorist Bill Ayers. After explaining that, you can explain away his relationship with Tony Rezko. After that, you can explain away his relationship with Hatem El-Hady. After that, two more will have popped up, so you WILL be a busy little fellow.
As information (Source: See Frontpage magazine.com):
Two years ago, Hatem El-Hady was the chairman of the Toledo, Ohio-based Islamic charity, Kindhearts, which was closed by the US government in February 2006 for terrorist fundraising and all its assets frozen. Today, El-Hady has redirected his fundraising efforts for his newest cause - Barack Obama for President.
Then, when Barry H. Obama is not elected president, dust off your ready excuse (actually, it has no dust on it because it’s been used recently) that America is racist. Hey, you can even repeat the “U.S. of KKK” thing that your buddy’s “spiritual adviser” is wont to say. And your world will be complete.
By Nativebird
April 24, 2008 12:43 PM | Link to this
LT5000, what Hamas sees in Barak H. Obama (by the way, yes Barak’s dad was/is Muslim, Barak mean’s God’s chosen one, and Hussein is a very common name in the Muslim community just like Tom, Fred, etc. That does not make him a Muslim. One of my best friends dad was in the KKK, does that make her a member of the klan? Barak is a Christian who loves America and wants to see it prosper to its full potential, period)is the ablity to communicate and be heard. They see a chance for peace. You and about 10-15% of the American out of touch public support George Bush’s policies. Barak, Hilary, even my dog could implement better policies than this administration has pushed. They will milk all of the money (Halliburton, KBR, Blackwater, etc.) out of our system for a few more months, then America can get back to being the country we were founded to be.
WHAT DO YOU WANT A WORLD WHERE EVERYONE DOES EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAY OR THEY GET RIDICULED OR BLOWN UP? HEY MAYBE YOU CAN MOVE TO AN ISLAND WITH ALL WHITE PEOPLE THAT LOOK LIKE YOU, DRESS LIKE YOU, AND THINK LIKE YOU. LET YOUR RACISM BE KNOWN, DON’T HIDE. NO ONE OF COLOR WOULD EVEN HAVE TO GET NEAR YOU. YOU CAN LIVE IN FEAR, TALK ABOUT HOW SUPERIOR YOU ARE, HOARD MASSES OF WEAPONTRY, PRACTICE YOUR HATE ON THE INTERNET AND AMOUNGST YOUR FRIENDS, AND DIE MAD, UNFULLFILLED, IGNORANT, OH AND PALE AND CRUSTY (BECAUSE EVERY WARM ISLAND IS GOING TO HAVE PEOPLE OF COLOR ON IT, SO YOU NEED TO GO TO AN ICE ISLAND. SEE YA! LT5000 OR SHOULD I JUST CALL YOU THE “ICEMAN”!
By mjk
April 24, 2008 12:45 PM | Link to this
Whatever contributions Jimmy Carter may have made to the decline of the US economy and/or defense funding are irrelevant to whether or not it is/was wise to engage with Hamas in negotiations.
For a little historical perspective.
Deaths in Northern Ireland related to The Troubles were in the hundreds during the 1970s. Since an agreement was negotiated in the late 1990’s, deaths have been less than 20 per year.
The British government for years insisted that the IRA and Sinn Fein were terrorist organizations and refused to meet and discuss any possible solutions to the spiraling violence in Norther Ireland. It wasn’t until they met at the bargaining table that the violence diminished.
Whether you view Hamas as terrorists or not, they’re a key part of The Troubles in the region. Refusing to meet with them will only continue to alienate them and won’t lead to peace in the region. Carter’s meetings may have seemed unproductive, but if they’re one small step in an overall larger diplomatic effort, they might help to serve a greater good.
By Corde
April 24, 2008 12:48 PM | Link to this
Is Pierce Randall the only educated person? The majority response seems to be coming from a bunch of hill billies from the Georgia mountains…Possibly Inbreds?? I can not believe people want to blow up total countrie, hand out guns…That is not funny even in jest…Who are these freaks?
By TTFN
April 24, 2008 12:55 PM | Link to this
Corde Back to school for you my friend.. It’s country.. Inbred? What the heck do you know about anybody in this blog. Freaks, yea, read the Constitution, you know that forgetful little document the liberals want destroyed.
Keep on the issue of Carter. Tell us oh wise one, what a great President he was.
By Bruce Wilcox
April 24, 2008 1:00 PM | Link to this
Is it any wonder why Georgia is about the only state that still endorses this administrations policies? The Land of Dixie, still proudly stuck somewhere in the fifties.
The childish mentality of the South and the dolf in the White House amazes me.
By holding your breath, pouting and not talking with a group, country or person you disagree with is foolish.
Look at this way, bush has weaken our military where we better not tick anyone else off, otherwise we’ll have to call up tghe Boy and Girl Scouts.
Thank you President Carter for having the sense to use dialogue (for some of you that means talk) instead of bombs to at least attempt to gain peace.
As Fearless Leader would say, “Security is the essential roadblock to achieving the road map to peace.—George W. Bush Washington, DC 07/25/2003
Another Nobel for President Carter.
By Nativebird
April 24, 2008 1:06 PM | Link to this
Thanks “mjk”, I agree and concur…
By Bruce Wilcox
April 24, 2008 1:11 PM | Link to this
About President Carter’s economy he inherited, anyone remember Ford’s famous “WIN” buttons? Didn’t think so, they stood for “Whip Inflation Now”, unemployment under Ford 7%, typical Republican, just pass the mess to the next guy. What do you think was one of the major reasons Ford lost, besides Nixons pardon?
By Hal
April 24, 2008 1:20 PM | Link to this
slim wrote:
“Much like his idol Carter, Hal is a tremendous liar:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/04/theexpulsionlibel1948arab.html”
This is a zionist site you’re getting your education from, slim. Zionists often wrap their propaganda up in nice, patriotic-sounding names like “American Thinker.”
“Oh, and Hal, your ‘genocide’ claims are entirely laughable considering that palestinian birth rates have grown tremendously since Israel gained power in 1967.”
Births rates often go up in times of great stress. Give me a report on the health and well being and quality of life of these Palestinians.
“Provision of medicine, utilities, water, education to people (as Israel has done) tend to do this.”
You have a compete ignorance of the situation—or maybe you’re just another lying zionist; hard to tell from here.
By Barry
April 24, 2008 1:39 PM | Link to this
With history as the final judge, it seems that Jimmy Carter is plunging headlong toward an infamous position as both the worst president of the 20th century and the worst ex-president too. Reflecting a predominant view of our radical leftists, Carter seizes every opportunity, no matter how inappropriate to advance a narrow minded view of his political gospel. Having done violence to the causes of freedom and prosperity with his incompetent, rudderless presidency, now he is doing violence to civility, political discourse and to the truth as an ex-president.
Carter’s Presidency can best be summed up by the word, shame. All of us felt shame to be Americans as our weenie-leader hectored us about turning the thermostat down while he cowered in front of the Ayatollahs and the commissars. The seizure of hostages in Iran inspired a Rose Garden hideout while the days of captivity clicked by. An invasion of Afghanistan was met with grim liberal faces and a boycott of the Olympics. When he got really serious, there was a grain boycott, punishing the farmers and opening world markets to our competitors. Carter as President, in considered hindsight, was ineffectual, weak, cowardly and clueless. Americans, numb with stagflation at home and failure abroad could only feel shame in their leader and, unfortunately, their nation. He called it malaise. It seems to be his natural environment. Shameful is the natural word for Carter’s behavior. Cast adrift from truth or facts, Carter has descended into the depths of our far left swamps of fantasy-despair. One can only imagine that by toadying up to the far left elites, Carter hopes that he can salvage history’s view of his presidency. Carter cannot blame his way out of a legacy that he cowered his way into.
By Worst President
April 24, 2008 1:55 PM | Link to this
Jimmy Carter is the worst president in US History and does not realize the American people FIRED HIS A$$. He still thinks that he is president. He has sabotaged each president since he was fired. He was fired for his utter weakness in response to the Iranian hostage crisis which he caused and for double digit inflation and double digit interest rates. His administration had no clue what to do as he immersed himself in trivial details.
His policies led to the Idiots being in charge in Iran. He has never met a terrorist that he has not loved. What an utter joke. I wish he would go to Plains and SHUT UP. He should be arrested for fraternizing with the terrorists.
He is truly out of touch and needs to go build houses for the poor and NEVER comment about anything for he knows NOTHING about the world.
By Hal
April 24, 2008 1:56 PM | Link to this
Barry, where did you lift this prattle from?
The very liberal J. Carter was a darling for Jews until he started saying forbidden things about Zionist Israel. I was never a lover of liberalism—I felt most of them were phonies. But some of them are genuine, and care when people are being mistreated, killed, slaughtered, even when the killers are the wonderful, lovely Zionist Jews. Traditional allies of Jews, real liberals are breaking ties with them, at least with the zionist varieties. Many liberal Jews themselves are disgusted with the crimes of the Zionists. There has been nothing but trouble in the M.E. since 1948.
By jc
April 24, 2008 2:05 PM | Link to this
Hey Slim, If Carter has such a passion for humanity, why did americans spend more than 1 day as captives by the iranians. Do you remember what happened on his last day of presidency? The hostages were released. The iranians did not want to have to deal with the greatest president of all time…Ronald Reagan…..
By gwardan
April 24, 2008 2:18 PM | Link to this
what is a zionist jew by the way? Hey props to Jimmy for his charity work. You can not argue he has done some great things for people and he is good at that but Carter is not relavent to the US foriegn policy on anything he does not have any power. If he spouts off once in awhile about how the jews are cause tornados in Atlanta or taking over the world it is best just to ignore him because he will be dead soon enough.
By LT5000
April 24, 2008 2:20 PM | Link to this
Native,
Why are you so angry? All I did was lay out facts. I realize you cannot push your propaganda when they are in the way.
Oh yeah, you pharmacist called and you Zoloft prescription is waiting for you.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN DUMBASS? LT5000
By Worst President
April 24, 2008 2:24 PM | Link to this
Jimmy Carter is the worst president in US History and does not realize the American people FIRED HIS A$$. He still thinks that he is president. He has sabotaged each president since he was fired. He was fired for his utter weakness in response to the Iranian hostage crisis which he caused and for double digit inflation and double digit interest rates. His administration had no clue what to do as he immersed himself in trivial details.
His policies led to the Idiots being in charge in Iran. He has never met a terrorist that he has not loved. What an utter joke. I wish he would go to Plains and SHUT UP. He should be arrested for fraternizing with the terrorists.
He is truly out of touch and needs to go build houses for the poor and NEVER comment about anything for he knows NOTHING about the world.
By Amber Alert
April 24, 2008 2:36 PM | Link to this
BUZZ! BUZZ! BUZZ!
This is an Amber Alert message from the Department of Homeland Security! James Earl Carter, 84 years of age, has lost his mind and was last spotted talking to known terrorists in the Middle East associated with Hamas! If you have seen Mr. Carter, please contact your nearest law official. His passport needs to be confiscated.
By Bruce Wilcox
April 24, 2008 2:37 PM | Link to this
Worst President, like most in the South you really don’t know history very well.
Ike put the Shah back in power in Iran after the people tossed his butt, he was nothing more than a worthless puppet to the United States, and you blame President Carter for the Iranians for hating us?
Since this seems to be your favorite saying, let’s use it more, Ford, the American people FIRED HIS A$$, Pappy Bush, the American people FIRED HIS A$$, Nixon had to quit before the the American people JAILED HIS A$$.
By Judy
April 24, 2008 2:51 PM | Link to this
Well, no surprise Georgia is last in the Nation in education after reading these comments.
I truly hope Mr. Carter will be recognized by future generations for the great man and diplomat he is.
By TTFN
April 24, 2008 2:56 PM | Link to this
Judy We’re not last in education, but we will be in a couple of years…
President Carter will indeed be recognized by future generations, although not as you believe.
By J. James
April 24, 2008 2:59 PM | Link to this
I think it is really ironic that those who are criticising Carter are being painted as rednecks, ignoramses, uneducated, etc…
Take a look at the pro-Carter comments. Politics is not a continuim. It is a circle where the two extremes meet. Hal sounds like a John Birch society spokesman who curiously supports Barak Obama. Both talk about “illegal occupations of Palestinian territories” When in fact it was the Arab nations who attacked Israel in a bid to exterminate them from the face of the Earth. Thankfully, they lost…and for the first time in history Israel who was the victor was expected to cede land to the vanquished…AND THEY DID! But still it is not enough.
The extreme Left and Right both agree on the “evil of the Zionist entity.” Perhaps that is the most telling thing about both extremes…that they are not grounded in the every-day reality that most sane people experience.
As for the revisionist economic history put forth by the “educated” posters here I would counter that any time you use the favorite leftist buzzword “irresponsible” for any policy that doesn’t redistribute wealth from those who earned it to those who didn’t, you risk sounding like the dogmatic, static, anti-thinkers that you really are.
By LT5000
April 24, 2008 3:03 PM | Link to this
When even the people of Georgia think Jimmy Carter is a buffoon, you know something is wrong with the guy.
The only people here with Carter kneepads on are Badie, Native, Brucie and Judy. A veritable dinner party of Marxist, anti-Semitic douche bags.
Here is a nice article that lays out Jimmy’s foreign policy blunders. From Iran to North Korea.
http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/5/12/164726.shtml
LT5000
By Anyone But Hillary
April 24, 2008 3:07 PM | Link to this
John Kerry - the American People NEVER EVEN HIRED HIS A$$. Al Gore - the American People NEVER EVEN HIRED HIS A$$ (except as vice-perpetrator). Mike Dukakis - the American People NEVER EVEN HIRED HIS A$$. Walter Mondale - the American People NEVER EVEN HIRED HIS A$$. George McGovern - the American People NEVER EVEN HIRED HIS A$$. Hubert Humphrey - the American People NEVER EVEN HIRED HIS A$$. And…………. Hillary Clinton - the American People WILL NEVER HIRE HER A$$. Barrack Obama - the American People WILL NEVER HIRE HIS A$$.
By Soulfinger
April 24, 2008 3:26 PM | Link to this
I agree with the article..there should always be attempts at peace.
By edith
April 24, 2008 4:22 PM | Link to this
I don’t get it. The New York Times Almanac places the number of Jews in the world at 12-million. Approximately 6-million are Israelis. Why are 300-million Americans having to subvert their own freedoms, their own best interests to defend the radical, unbending leaders in Jerusalem.It’s time a courageous leader like Carter steps to the forefront to tell the Israelis we will not defend your jingoist attitude any longer.
By TTFN
April 24, 2008 4:25 PM | Link to this
LT5000 Very interesting article on NewsMax. It would be nice if all the pro-Carter posters would read it…
By Titus
April 24, 2008 4:29 PM | Link to this
Its hard for me to comprehend a baptist, even one like Jimmy Carter, caring about peace at all. Clearly the baptists are the most heretical christian sect with their war obsessions. Not since the death of the gnostics, has a christian truly practiced the christian faith.
By TTFN
April 24, 2008 4:31 PM | Link to this
Judy read edith’s comments and you will understand why our state is almost last in education.
Carter courageous?? Would you mind giving an example, just one…
By Kevin
April 24, 2008 4:37 PM | Link to this
As I stated in the Jerusalem Post, “Jimmy Carter is an embarrassment to my country, my state and my faith”. He was a failure as President and he has become a complete catastrophe as an ex-President. Very sad!
Kevin
By LeeS
April 24, 2008 4:56 PM | Link to this
I would be curious to know the average age of the anti Carter crowd and if they have children. If they are of parental age and they are teaching their children to discuss politics in their fashion, no wonder the schools in Georgia are in the shape they are in. Seems like communication skills have really taken a dive over the years.
Is Pierce Randall the only educated person here?
By Cruzin
April 24, 2008 5:02 PM | Link to this
Ok, so what was accomplished other than Jimmy looking like the old fool he is? Everything Jimmy said, Hamas denied. So what was gained?
By Rough Seas
April 24, 2008 5:05 PM | Link to this
Jimmy Carter will be remembered kindly by history…GWB can only dream he had JC’s courage, vision, and respect.
It takes two to tango - The Israelis aren’t a bunch of innocents, themselves. If Christianity wasn’t so far up the Jewish people’s rear-ends, perhaps we would, as a nation, have a clearer vision of what’s going on over there. Good grief. How one-sided can we be?
By Hal
April 24, 2008 5:28 PM | Link to this
Rough Seas, most of these posters, along with the beliefs and attitudes of the raggedy-assed masses in America today, are a testament to the power of their god, television. Most were clearly educated by Comcast and are dumber than a box of rocks. And people wonder why America gets lower & lower every year in just about everything considered desireable in any society.
By slim
April 24, 2008 6:04 PM | Link to this
So Hal, I noticed that you couldn’t refute a single fact from the Americanthinker article—and that is because you are just another taqiyya spouting, hatefilled, Islamist liar.
Keep up the lies. It’s all you’ve got.
Oh, and for those unaware of the true alliance that the Islamists had with the Germans and British while trying to crush Israel, read:
http://emperor.vwh.net/history/br.htm
By Voice of Reason
April 24, 2008 6:20 PM | Link to this
In any relationship (marriage, friendship, neighbors), if there is a major breakdown in communication, BOTH parties must talk to get it resolved! What is wrong with you people? Carter is only doing what needs to be done—BOTH parties need to be talked to and brought to the table. And Carter is right. You people act like Israel is innocent; they’re not! They stole the Palestinians land!!! ISRAEL STOLE THEIR LAND. Mutual respect is needed from BOTH sides. You can’t have peace or resolution only dealing with one side, with unilateral decisions!
By Hal
April 24, 2008 6:22 PM | Link to this
slim wrote:
“So Hal, I noticed that you couldn’t refute a single fact from the Americanthinker article”
Sorry there slim, I don’t read the comics.
“—and that is because you are just another taqiyya spouting, hatefilled, Islamist liar.”
I’m a Georgia boy, born and raised, and Christian, btw. You’re a little off track, but you’re used to that, eh, slim?
“Keep up the lies. It’s all you’ve got.”
Ever hear of the term projection slim?
“Oh, and for those unaware of the true alliance that the Islamists had with the Germans and British while trying to crush Israel, read:”
http://emperor.vwh.net/history/br.htm
Another Zionist site, there slim. Nobody but sub-90 IQ-ers buy into silly junk like this. (slim here can tell us all about how Jimmy Carter is part of a secret dastardly plan to bring Adolf back to life.)
slim, I’ve seen Grand Canyon mules smarter than you. Hope this helps.
By slim
April 24, 2008 6:33 PM | Link to this
Looks like you are too pathetic to even admit your religion. No Christians spout the BS you are spouting here.
Oh and ‘voice of reason’, Israel stole no one’s land. The Arab elites (the Husseini’s, Nashishibis, etc.) gladly sold their land to the Jews.
You too will need to come up with some new lies.
By Hal
April 24, 2008 7:00 PM | Link to this
Duh, slim my boy. Muslims actually have a much higher opinion of the Christians’ Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, than Jews do. Jews consider Jesus a liar and a fraud, then and now.
By Edith
April 24, 2008 7:44 PM | Link to this
Israel bases its long-standing claim on “The Promised Land” on biblical text. Strange that Jews would disregard other biblical text that says Thou Shalt Not Steal, Thou Shalt not Kill, etc. Whatever is convenient is the truth for Zionist and their misguided sympathizers. Leave Carter alone. He’s doing God’s work by trying to bring Peace on Earth and Goodwill toward Men…something sadly lacking among the Israelites.
By slim
April 24, 2008 8:00 PM | Link to this
More lies from Edith. Nope. The only theft was when the Judenrein Arab countries expelled about 800,000 Jews in 1948.
And just as there is a place for 20+ ethnically cleansed, nazi sympathizing, Islamist countries, there is also a place for a country that supports tolerance and liberation from oppression—and that would be Israel.
So sad you are full of such hate and lies—kind of like Carter.
By Barry
April 24, 2008 8:05 PM | Link to this
It’s hard to read the pro Carter comments on this site and come to the conclusion that they are written by well educated people with a balanced world view. The more vociferous they are in support of President Carter’s failed ex-Presidency, the more they sound like angry, unbalanced ideologues who have been indoctrinated or trained but certainly not educated. They seem to shout their points because they are certainly fearful of actually having to support them. I did not learn about Jimmy Carter’s presidency from a book, I experienced his cowardly, weak fumbling. While perhaps an intelligent man, he was utterly lacking in the character that is required of a leader. In the face of challenge or the unpredicted, Carter cowered. He was ineffectual, mean spirited and whiny. When his time in office thankfully dragged to a close no one, neither liberal nor conservatives wanted anything to do with him. He was a pariah in his own party until he started sucking up to every left wing tin horn dictator he could find while bashing his own country. Carter completely fulfills Lenin’s ideal of the useful idiot.
By Andrew
April 24, 2008 8:12 PM | Link to this
I guess we should denigrate Eisenhower for meeting with the Soviets…..
Jews arn’t supposed to have the Promised Land until after Revelation anyways
By THINK FOR YOURSELF
April 24, 2008 8:23 PM | Link to this
* Don’t waste our time posting links to sites like Newsmax and American Thinker. These are useless for anyone looking for information. They provide affirmation, not information.*
THINK FOR YOURSELF.
By dICK
April 24, 2008 8:34 PM | Link to this
Jimmy has always thought he was above the law and was sent into the world to save America. He is, will be, and always has been nothing. If it were either traveling all over the world endlessly or waking up next to Roselyn each morning, I would travel. I live 40 minutes from him and wouldn’t travel that far to hear him say a word.
By Worst President
April 24, 2008 8:41 PM | Link to this
People have really short memories about what it was like to like in American when the Fool from Plains was in the White House. He lusted after power and his head exploded from the rush he got.
I worked in state government one summer when the Peanut was Governor. He decided to reorganize state government and eliminate paperwork. So by executive order he decreed that the state would by no more file cabinets. The paper claims in the Medicaid office were no stored in old paper boxes lying all over each office.
Another example of his foolishness. He then ran as an outsider and fooled the American public with a campaign about change (sound familiar to today’s candidate). Hopefully Americans are too smart to vote for this arrogant America Hater.
Carter did inherit a bad economy and screwed it up worse than what he received. His decision not to support the Shah of Iran laid the seeds for the hostage crisis (one of his own making) that humiliated our country. The hostages were held in our embassy and the Fool was prisoner in a white house with a sweater on and a thermostat turned down.
He cannot even be mentioned in the same breath as one of our greatest Presidents — Ronald Reagan who had to clean up the mess the fool from plains made.
In his senility, he still believes that he is in charge and relevant to the world. Well his time is short before dementia truly sets in. Courageous - NO. Confused - YES. Irrelevant - Absolutely. Nobel Medals Price - Not worth the metal it is printed on when they award it to Fools (Carter), Terrorists (Arafat) and the Insane (Gore).
For those who are wearing their rose colored glasses, take them off and see him as he really is - an Irrelevant FOOL.
For those who think that this is such a backward state - Delta will take you anywhere even Dubai where you can experience community with your friends.
By facts
April 24, 2008 8:55 PM | Link to this
The Jews in Israel are not the decendants of the original Jews. The Palestinians are, even though Judaisem died out among them when Christianity and Islam came. The Israelis are European Jews who invaded plastestine and destroy Palestinian homes and kill helpless civilians
By slim
April 24, 2008 9:01 PM | Link to this
Actually, your ‘facts’ are garbage. Some Jews have lived in the region for hundreds of years, and many had lived in the region since the 1800s (the Jews of the old yishuv).
And the Arab slaughters were not limited to just recent immigrants.
More about the Jewhatred in that region: http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1186557466176&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FPrinter
By Racebaiter
April 24, 2008 9:40 PM | Link to this
God, it will be awful if the far left nuts get control of this country again. Not only will Obama destroy us with taxation, but he’ll sell out the white people every chance he gets. Just ask his “spiritual advisor.”
By Bruce Wilcox
April 24, 2008 10:43 PM | Link to this
Right now there are only two Whte residents of Georgia that are respected on the world stage (for most commenting today that would mean in the United Naions, and in Presidents Carter’s case even far beyond) former Senator Sam Nunn and President Jimmy Carter.
For the most part the majority commenting are not worthy of any more comment of those whose mentality is above that of a slug.
By Racebaiter
April 24, 2008 10:43 PM | Link to this
I’m ashamed he’s from my great state of Georgia and from my alma mater Georgia Tech. He’s a disgrace for not learning from his past mistakes and thinking that unreasonable people can be reasoned with.
By Bruce Wilcox
April 24, 2008 11:36 PM | Link to this
As I said there are only two worthy from the Sate of Georgia, don’t care if you work at the Varsity or supposed graduate of TECH.
Racebaiter how would you suggest you talk to a unreasonable person? A pro already addressed the issue, do tell how an engineer would do it?
By MCR
April 25, 2008 12:24 AM | Link to this
“I think it is a sad day when attempts to bridge differences between warring parties are vilified,” he said. This is the first quote Badie borrows from his friend Honein to shore up his defense of Carter. Apparently for these individuals, this statement is the foundation for meeting and talking with Hamas. I find this to be a contemptible statement and the individuals who actually believe it and applaud it should be ashamed of themselves. Why? Precisely because it makes the mistake of morally equating Israel with Hamas and that is simply untenable. Apparently through the eyes of Carter, Badie, Honein, and others, Israel and Hamas are “warring parties” with no discernable differences between the two. When you begin your comprehension of the problem at hand with such a profoundly flawed foundation, it is inevitable that you end up with misguided ventures like the ones Carter has contributed over the recent years. Yes, Israel may be a warring party. I think we all know of the circumstances of the past 50 or so years which have required the Jewish state to be such a warring party or it would have ceased to exist. To compare Israel to Hamas, a terrorist organization sworn to the destruction of Israel, which sends young disaffected fanatics into pizza parlors, discos, bus stops, and buses for the sole purpose of killing themselves and as many others as possible in order to achieve everlasting eternity with virgins, illustrates such a flawed foundation in the reasonings of people like Carter, Badie, and Honein. At best, such statements personify ignorance. Otherwise, at their worst, these statements hint at bias. Either way, they are exemplary of why Carter has lost all credibility regarding the issue.
By Bruce Wilcox
April 25, 2008 1:13 AM | Link to this
MCR, please answer the question I asked Racebaiter?
Using your reasoning we should not be in Iraq, wouldn’t that be true?
In truth what we’re dealing with here is pure ignorance on the part of this administration and his few devoted followers.
By inou
April 25, 2008 5:07 AM | Link to this
Jimmy Carter has always been an embarrassment to this country.
By Bob
April 25, 2008 6:37 AM | Link to this
Has Jimmy ever met a terrorist or dictator he didn’t like? No he has not. Had America ever seen an ex President prior to Jimmy the Bafoon that talked bad in public about a current President. I don’t believe so. He is so foolish. Just a fool, and an absolute embarrassment, always has been and it appears he will always will be! Sad too is that there are so many confused liberal fools that are slowly weakening and destroying this once great country with their insane ideas they have turned into public policy.
By Ben Franklin
April 25, 2008 8:57 AM | Link to this
Bob, you silly lemming, the current President is the absolute embarrassment. I voted for him in 2000 and was overjoyed when he finally won. My opinion quickly changed when I saw what a tool he let himself be for Israel—worse than most who’ve set their butts in the Oval Office. GWB is the biggest disappointment in U.S. history.
The Founding Fathers are flipping around in their graves at the sorry state of this once great republic.
By Gandalf, the Grey
April 25, 2008 8:58 AM | Link to this
Carter is an embarassment to this great country. Instead of talking with terrorist we should be shooting them. Arabs don’t understand anything but brute force. They respect that. American has gotten too soft. In WWII we had men, today we have some sorry excuse for the same.
By Jim
April 25, 2008 10:31 AM | Link to this
Oh My God! It is so evident The IQ of most of the commentators above does not add to much! Or they are trained to write in to make anti Carter stands so popular, especially ever since he wrote his book on Israel and apartheid.
Hal, when I read your note, I just knew that further down the page extremist Jews will label you “A Self Hating Jew”. They do this to every Jew who does not agree with the racist behavior of the successive governments of Israel and their Jewish backers, including AIPAC, here in the US. They still maintain a stranglehold on our foreign policy in the Middle East. President Carter, who does not need to run for office, cannot fall under the pressure of extremist Jews and Christian Evangelists. Both GHW Bush and Bill Clinton are unable to emulate President Carter. One has a son who is a sitting president, the other, a wife who is a Senator from NY.
I am sure that those above who vilify President Carter’s presidency have not lived as adults through it. They just repeat what Radio talk show hosts ramble about.
I don’t blame some Southern Baptists or the Christian Coalition members for interpreting the Bible so literally. They are brainwashed! They think that Palestine is only for Jews rather than for all the Children of Abraham, no matter what faith they belong to. They are so obsessed with wanting the Jews in particular to accept Jesus as the Messiah, they are willing to help destroy a people, the Palestinians, both Christian and Moslems, no matter that they already believe in Jesus. Jews, quite rightly, despise these so called Christians!
Hamas is labeled as a terrorist organization to please Jewish voters here, period!
It must become a moral demand that every time a pro-Israel pundit vilifies an American President or the Palestinian People, he or she must also make a reference to the Israeli Occupation of Palestinian lands people despite all international laws, the reasons and the results of having Jewish Settlers implanted in those occupied lands, and why Palestinian refugees are deprived from returning to their original homes. Failing to do is just otherwise propaganda!
Finally I would like to ask these wonderful Christian Georgians above, how many Moslem Americans (none of the 9/11 terrorists was American), attacked American interests at home and how many extremist Jewish Americans have illegally spied on US military and government secrets and passed them on to Israel. Didn’t you hear of Mr. Benami just this week?
By Ben Franklin
April 25, 2008 10:57 AM | Link to this
Jim, you get best post award!**
I agree with every word. Every American should read it several times.
By LT5000
April 25, 2008 11:03 AM | Link to this
The way Badie and Brucie swoon over Jimmy Carter you could swear they met on eHarmony.
Of course, Brucie and Badie will gladly overlook Jimmy C’s complicity in giving North Korea nuclear weapons capability. And now the North Koreans have passed that on to Syria.
Please Jimmy, go back to growing peanuts.
LT5000
By Gandalf, the Grey
April 25, 2008 12:46 PM | Link to this
Jim and Ben, you are the brainwashed, not everyone else. Neither of upi have a single rational thought. Killing terrorist is better than talking to them.
By Gandalf, the Grey
April 25, 2008 12:47 PM | Link to this
Jim and Ben, you are the brainwashed, not everyone else. Neither of you have a single rational thought. Killing terrorist is better than talking to them.
By Qualcom Investor
April 25, 2008 2:59 PM | Link to this
If we dont exhaust all diplomatic avenues in the search for peace in the middle east, then when we’re finally forced to nuke them, (100% chance they get nukes soon, folks), preemptively, because we cant trust terrorists regimes, we’ll feel better about the aftermath.
The terror nations are going to force us to nuke them. They have a win win. They are suicidal, we know that, so how about a planet wide situation where we’re forced to set of nuclear bombs? Does it matter who sets them off? Really?
That’s right, people, fall apart. Walk softly, boys.
By LT5000
April 25, 2008 4:16 PM | Link to this
Qualcom,
Actually, thanks to Jimmy Carter and North Korea, nuclear technology has been passed to Syria. i.e. Hamas.
To this day, everyone knows he brokered the deal that allowed North Korea to develop nuclear fuel. In fact Clinton and Carter even gave them a reactor.
Thank god the Israeli’s bombed the facility.
Anybody know why the Arabs love to give money to the Jimmy Carter Center? Undoubtedly, his Anti-Semitism has something to do with it.
Israel may not be the ideal friend for the USA, but it certainly is the best friend we have in the Mideast.
And Jimmy Carter is the worst friend we can have in America.
Can we change the name of Jimmy Carter Blvd to Zell Miller Blvd?
LT5000
By Racebaiter
April 25, 2008 6:18 PM | Link to this
Bruce Wilcox,
Real simple. First, by its very definition, you can’t talk to an unreasonable person. It’s a waste of time. So, if the person is not bothering you OR AN ALLY, you ignore him. However, if he is threat, you have no choice but to contain him, or kill him. We can’t contain him, obviously since he continues to threaten Israel, so we really only have one choice, don’t we? Carter is a joke. Sure it FEELS GOOD to pretend that everyone can be talked to and maybe they’ll see their evil ways and change, but MOST OF US don’t believe in fairy tales any more. Why do you?
By Oiling the squeeking unhinged
April 25, 2008 6:19 PM | Link to this
That’s right, LT, fall apart.
Walk softly, boys.
So our presidents waltzed us in and they’re going to waltz us back out. Who are they? Who are they?
Who are THEY.
By Racebaiter
April 25, 2008 6:22 PM | Link to this
Oh, I forgot, let me answer my last question to you. You’re a left wing loon. Ideology over logic. That’s why.
By Michael H. Smith
April 26, 2008 8:11 AM | Link to this
Former Presidents best serve the nation and the American interests by staying off the public stage and out of world view. The tremendous influence associated with the high office of the Presidency can best be exercised by former Presidents through other current leaders, ambassadors and envoys.
It is good to keep your friends close, your enemies closer and your formers Presidents excising a proper restraint at home.
By the truth
April 26, 2008 2:51 PM | Link to this
I think Hal is right. We should talk to Hamas so no one gets hurt, but we should realize that the Israelis have no right to Palestine. The original Jews are the ancestors of the Palestinians, even though most of them converted to Christianity or Islam. The Israelis are Europeans who converted to Judaism and have just about as much right to control in Palestine as my shoe. Every time they are hit by a rocket from a Palestinian, the Israeli’s kill more helpless Palestinians and destroy more and more of their homes. The rockets that are shot are small homemade things. You could get items from a craft store and make a rocket more destructive then what they use. Jimmy Carter is right to talk to Hamas and save a lot of bloodshed. I respect that he is smart and knows what I just wrote.
By the truth
April 26, 2008 2:51 PM | Link to this
I think Hal is right. We should talk to Hamas so no one gets hurt, but we should realize that the Israelis have no right to Palestine. The original Jews are the ancestors of the Palestinians, even though most of them converted to Christianity or Islam. The Israelis are Europeans who converted to Judaism and have just about as much right to control in Palestine as my shoe. Every time they are hit by a rocket from a Palestinian, the Israeli’s kill more helpless Palestinians and destroy more and more of their homes. The rockets that are shot are small homemade things. You could get items from a craft store and make a rocket more destructive then what they use. Jimmy Carter is right to talk to Hamas and save a lot of bloodshed. I respect that he is smart and knows what I just wrote.
By the truth
April 26, 2008 3:07 PM | Link to this
Jim is 100% correct. Slim is right, but there were people in Palestine before 1800. The Palestinians!
By the truth
April 26, 2008 3:13 PM | Link to this
Slim is a racist who hates anyone of Arab or Islamic descent. Anyone who thinks like him is also a racist. I take the Palestinian’s side but I still have close friends that are Zionist Jews. I wish more Israelis and Israel-lovers could have some respect for the Arabs.
By Fred
May 4, 2008 3:38 AM | Link to this
Rick, I have to ask, are you deluded. You ARE speaking of Jiminy Carter, the man who LIED and admitted he LIED when he “certified” the results of the election that put Hugo Chavez in power, are you not? A so-called “man” who’s word is crap? A man who lied and helped to facilitate a dictatorship because HE (Jiminy Carter) in all his overblown glory decided unilaterally that it was better for that Country for Hugo to steal control via obvious chicanery than to tell the truth of the false “election.” I would submit that your friend is an idiot and not a reliable source for anything. He is not someone I would choose to associate with as he facilitates lies and deception. In short, I am disappointed that this is something that YOU would choose to decide (unilaterally I might add) is something admirable. Lying, cheating, and stealing are not among the traits I choose to cal admirable. I’m sorry that you find otherwise.