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DEL.ICIO.USWhite judge, different reaction?
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
E-mails and letters poured in after I praised an Atlanta judge for taking the time to privately talk to some black defendants about crime.
One recent Thursday, Fulton County Superior Court Judge Marvin Arrington asked the white people to leave his courtroom so he could address the defendants. He told them to turn their lives around, to stay out of his courtroom.
In Sunday’s column, I applauded Arrington’s 10-minute “fireside chat.” I explained that, even though it excluded whites who’d been in the courtroom, his intent was noble.
Most readers who contacted me appreciated Arrington’s efforts as well. One reader, a self-described “old white guy,” read the column online.
“Hooray for his showing common sense, concern and compassion,” wrote Ole Quiberg of Chico, Calif. “My grandson, who is white, is in prison. He deserves to be there for what he did. He never received a heartfelt talking to like Judge Arrington gave. For it to have the most effect, the judge needs to be of the same race as those he is talking to.
“Yes, race matters.”
For a minority of readers, race did indeed matter, just not for the reasons cited by Quiberg. They disliked the fact that Arrington had the whites leave before he addressed the black defendants. Unwise, they said, while wondering:
What if a white judge had done such a thing, and ordered all the black people out of the courtroom?
“It’s not what he did, but how he arranged for it,” wrote Margaret Gallagher of Norcross. “Can you imagine how people would react to a white judge asking the black people to leave the room so he could have a chat with Caucasian defendants?”
She continued: “Once out of the room, any ethnic group doesn’t know what’s being said, and generally assumes the worse. Happily, in this instance, the assumption was the opposite of the truth, but the racially charged request was bound to have felt like prejudice.”
James Newby of Dacula gave Arrington an attaboy for caring, but a “boo” for racial strategy.
“I don’t believe anyone would protest any louder than you if a white judge had dismissed all black people so that he could have a ‘fireside chat’ with white defendants and their family and friends,” he wrote in an e-mail. “If we are truly keepers of the dream, we must continue our efforts to erase that racial line that we have been fighting for so long to eliminate.”
LaVerne Zolkosky of Lilburn echoed Newby’s assumption: “I seriously doubt that you or any other columnist would support a white judge who did the same thing in a reverse situation,” she wrote.
“There would be marching chanters demanding his removal from the job, and that probably would be the end result.”
True, there might be marchers who’d chant and journalists who’d ridicule a white judge, question his intent.
Not me, if the scenarios were the same.
What about you?
Rick Badie’s column appears on Sundays, Tuesdays and Thursdays. Contact him at 770-263-3875 or e-mail: rbadie@ajc.com.
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By KIM
April 7, 2008 8:53 PM | Link to this
The sport of second-guessing actions is popular. A white judge may have been criticized, too. But let the words fall where they may. Judge Arrington was trying to do what, unfortunately, no one else seems to be doing. He spoke to the young people the way he did because he is an accomplished black man. He, I believe, hoped they could identify somewhat with him, at least due to skin color. My question is, why aren’t more responsible, influential people doing the same thing? Why in the world must this good act be questioned and dissected? How about let’s do something novel and say, “Thank you!”
By Bruce Wilcox
April 7, 2008 10:57 PM | Link to this
It has nothing to do with what he said or what his intentions were, it was the wrong place. A courtroom is not a forum for ones personal beliefs, no matter how noble.
There is nothing wrong with Judge Marvin Arrington speaking at high schools, Boys & Girls Clubs or any other organization, I’m sure he would be more than welcomed.
A courtroom is suppose to be free of bias and personal beliefs, everyone is equal when it comes to the rule of law, which is it’s sole purpose.
By PoliticalMan
April 8, 2008 4:24 AM | Link to this
Mr. Badiie,
It’s easy to say now that you would not have strongly reacted to a white judge clearing out blacks. I’m more than skeptical.
Secondly, what’s all this talk about the “black” community. I thought we had communities, not black communities. When you have that mindset, it makes me rather certain that your claims of tolerance are more inflated than you realize.
By Katie
April 8, 2008 6:58 AM | Link to this
I think the judge was right. There is a problem with most young blacks today—-sorry, just my opinion. If he wanted to reprimand them in private, fine by me. What ever is necessary to end this race related crap. In theory there are no black communities, but in reality there definately is.
By Biff
April 8, 2008 7:40 AM | Link to this
Well. there would be no purpose in a white judge clearing out the courtroom to talk to white defendants because there wouldn’t be any left, at least in Fulton County or any of our crime ridden American cities.
The sad fact is that committing crime is part of the urban black experience just as working, commuting, paying utility bills, mortgages, etc. are part of the white (and other non-black races) daily activities.
What the judge realized is that urban black culture has devolved to the point that the “normal” way of life in his city is for young blacks to be uneducated, ignorant criminal thugs and it obviously sickened him.
By gttim
April 8, 2008 8:21 AM | Link to this
Funny how this little bit of nothing, and to me it really is nothing, has prompted a huge outrage from the white community. However, they are mute on the sentencing disparities where blacks receive much more time than whites for similar offenses. The Barbie Bandit case is certainly one example- blond white women receive little or no time, while black males get hard time. And it was the women who walked into the bank and performed the heist.
I think the reaction concerning this little incident shows that racism is alive and well, but not in the way all the people protesting want us to believe.
By One Man's View
April 8, 2008 8:31 AM | Link to this
I think that Arrington was venting more than anything. Those already in the courtroom have already messed up, probably harming others in some way. He’s just a little late. His words in the courtroom are not going to reach a target outside the courtroom.
This reminds me of Nancy Reagan’s “Just say NO” to drugs or Drug Free Zone signs around schools. In fact it’s way less than that.
Social behavior skills and knowledge starts a maybe age one. The idea of transforming a deviant culture of teenagers is beyond fantasy.
In many ways we reap what we sow. When a substantial part of a society is marginalized, it may well take directions not favorable to the majority. One way of dealing with this is locking up offenders. And we do in great numbers - more proportionately than anywhere in the world. What’s the answer - lock up even more? Of course, we do this only after they have harmed others.
We may have to change our way of thinking of how to include people in our society as full members. But that, I’m sure, is an even larger fantasy.
By LT5000
April 8, 2008 8:59 AM | Link to this
Hey gttim,
Maybe it would have helped the black defendants in the “Barbie Bandits” case if they didn’t have prior arrests.
The black guys in this case set up the robbery in fact.
Gttim, knowing the facts prevents people from making idiotic statements.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/03/02/national/main2530036.shtml
LT5000
By kathy dunn
April 8, 2008 9:11 AM | Link to this
Here’s my problem; the week before the paper was filled about diversity; ‘Gwinnett hires first full-time black judge’. It’s not diversity if you can’t just describe him as the ‘newest’ judge. Interesting contrast don’t you think?
By LT5000
April 8, 2008 9:31 AM | Link to this
Kathy, Huh?
Now Rick claims that his reaction wouldn’t have been any different if a white judge did the same thing.
Seriously, I doubt it.
Given his over the top reaction to “Gone With The Wind”, I can only imagine what palpitations would have gone through Badie had this occurred.
At least he didn’t work in an endorsement for Obama out of this.
And he has yet to address Rev. Wright’s anti-Semitism.
Hey Rick, why don’t you address Rev. Wright’s comments?
LT5000
By Cindy
April 8, 2008 9:48 AM | Link to this
kathy, I don’t think it was a big secret that the new Gwinnett judge was/is black. It’s ok to describe something or someone, using descriptive words…otherwise we probably need to throw away all of the crayons and shades of paint and just have a neutral shade for everyone so we don’t offend anyone. It would be more of a “he’s one of us” not a “omg, he’s coming to be amongst us”. That’s the difference.
This all reminds me of being in a store and it happens…omg it always happens…”mommie, LOOK, that man is short!” mommie just kinda ignores the kid ya know. but the kid just won’t shut up and now starts pointing and shrieking…”mommy look it’s a short man!” so mommy says “shhh, you don’t want him to hear you say that!” well why not? if he’s short, he’s short…duh. Wouldn’t it be better to turn around, figure out who the short guy is, assess the situation to see if he’s a midget, a dwarf, sitting in a wheelchair or whatever the case may be, turn around to the kid and if he turns out to be a dwarf, say “oh yes sweetie, he’s a dwarf and what that means is…blah, blah, blah”. then not only have you shut the kid up, you’ve educated him on why the guy is short, plus you’ve not minimized the guys life and publicly labeled him as a social outcast that we really shouldn’t even realize is different.
some people are black. some are white. some are not. whatever each of us, I don’t think it’s a secret. it’s ok to say it. it’s not ok to stereotype based on it though. do we? apparently. last I checked, none of us were without flaw, so it’s expected for us to falter occassionally.
The new Gwinnett judge is black. New judge, congrats.
By One Man's View
April 8, 2008 10:05 AM | Link to this
Cindy, we all have characteristics: height, weight, complextion, race. But not all are equally okay to talk about. Partly because the resulting categorizations are not equally benign. Height is probably the safest, the one you picked.
Now move to weight. Would you like to deal with “Mommy, look at the fat woman.” Are we really talking about someone who cannot control herself. She may think that is how the remark will be interpreted by any adults around, regardless of the innocence of the remark.
Now move to race. “Mommy, look at the black man.” The kid may be talking about color; the man could easily take it as assigning inferior status - not unjustifiably so from his standpoint.
What on the surface seems merely descriptive may have unpleasant social ramifications.
By Cindy
April 8, 2008 10:42 AM | Link to this
One mans view,
You make good points and make me think with the parts of my brain that sometimes rests more than it should.
I still can’t help but think though that all of these things are physical characteristics…they don’t define who we are inside. Nonetheless, the fat lady knows she’s fat. Each of us has the responsibility of making the most of ourselves and fitting into society in our designated spot. Different does not automatically equate bad.
By Ken
April 8, 2008 11:30 AM | Link to this
I’m a white criminal defense attorney. I would have been outraged if I had been there. Not because I was being excluded as a white (though that is surely inappropriate) but because my client was being singled out for a lecture by an allegedly neutral judge because of my client’s skin color.
Singling out African-American defendants for a private lecture implies that they bear collective responsibility for the state of their community based on the color of their skin. Perhaps that’s an arguable point for a philosopher or an activist or a columnist (though I doubt it). It is not, however, an appropriate message for a judge to send in court. In court, each defendant is only accountable for as much of his or her own conduct as the government can prove beyond a reasonable doubt, guided by a neutral judge’s rulings on the law. This judge suggested that these defendants were not merely accountable before him based on the rule of law, but based on his projections of his concerns about the African-American community upon them. That’s unacceptable.
I blogged it here
By Cindy
April 8, 2008 11:50 AM | Link to this
Ken, venting his spleen??? eeew.
By Mark
April 8, 2008 12:08 PM | Link to this
Sure most black teens are thugs. If the judge wants to help by admonishing them, then let him do so, but not in a courtroom. He can freely go to a black high school, community center, etc. What he did was wrong. Blacks won’t listen anyhow. Most have no father figure, so disipline is not familiar to them.
By Michael H. Smith
April 8, 2008 12:11 PM | Link to this
The scenarios are not the same in this country Rick, I think we both agree on that fact and rightly agree.
Yes, race matters. Because people continue to make it matter, they invent it and reinvent as the case may fit their need. No differently than calling the enslaved of this country less than human, only part human, to justify the inhumanity whites inflicted upon blacks. Why…. because it was the only way they could live with their conscience and continue practicing such HATE against another fellow human being (who had NOT broken any laws mind you!). There is the matter of RACE people…. and I say damn that “invented matter” to HELL!!
No, no, no, the courtroom doesn’t need clearing anyone out, everyone should be there, and RACE should be forced to stand trail and face its’ accusers.
Injustice anywhere remains injustice everywhere.
By One Man's View
April 8, 2008 12:17 PM | Link to this
Cindy,
Even though we may be fat, black, or have lots of zits, we don’t like to have it pointed out, because like I said it puts us in categories beyond the mere description: out of control, inferior, ugly. Factual words get used for other purposes. It’s hard for someone to ignore these kinds of hurts, even though a person knows they are superficial.
Ken makes a very good pt. What if the judge added yrs to a sentence simply because someone appeared to be in a certain group, like blacks. In fact, the person may not even partake of the detrimental aspects of the group, yet he or she would have to pay a collective price. We in this blog have been focusing on the hyprocrisy of looking at things through a racial lens. Ken brings us back to a more basic reality.
By Cindy
April 8, 2008 12:59 PM | Link to this
One Mans View,
I still don’t get it, but it’s ok.
Earlier I said Different does not automatically equate bad.
That’s my stance.
When you offered examples, you placed black in the sentence with derogatory descriptives. It’s not the same. People do look different and there’s nothing wrong with that…nor is it a taboo that should be never discussed. It doesn’t make any of us more or less valuable than everyone else.
What it looks like, is that I’ve begun to ramble, so it’s probably counterproductive to try to show me where i’m missing the point. Some people just don’t get it, and i’m apparently one of those people.
Carry on, ya’ll. I am interested in the topic, I just can’t seem to contribute anything useful.
By Gary
April 8, 2008 1:41 PM | Link to this
If the judge had been white, then it would have been okay.
‘muff said.
By Gary
April 8, 2008 4:21 PM | Link to this
If the judge had been Hispanic, it would have been okay.
By Gary
April 8, 2008 4:50 PM | Link to this
If the judges wife were Oriental, it would have been okay.
ps. Does the judge’s wife have an older sister 4me?
By One Man's View
April 8, 2008 5:42 PM | Link to this
Cindy,
You’re doing as good as the rest of us.
By Gary
April 8, 2008 6:47 PM | Link to this
Speak for yourself, View.
By Tyger
April 8, 2008 7:33 PM | Link to this
If a White judge asked the blacks to the blacks to leave the courtroom, there wouldnt be anybody left in the room except him and the lawyers.
Its not Justice, its just-us.
By One Man's View
April 8, 2008 7:58 PM | Link to this
Gary,
You seem to be the master of the succinct comment. Now if I just understand what the heck you are trying to say.
By Bob
April 8, 2008 8:28 PM | Link to this
IS this a trick question? If a white judge did this, the NAACP, SCLC, racist Jackson and racist Sharpton would already be here asking for his head. Furthermore, regarding the racist NAACP, I read that they are demanding a further look into the Barbie Bandits case. Lets compare the two. Barbie Bandits: No priors, were not on probation, did not have drugs on them, and cooperated with the cops and told the truth. Now, the two thugs: Both had prior records, one was on probation, one had drugs on him, one even worked at the bank! Yet, the NAACP says all should get the same sentence? WOW!
By ccc
April 8, 2008 8:40 PM | Link to this
In the eyes of whites; blacks can do nothing right. Say something and we are wrong…do nothing and we are wrong.
By Bob
April 8, 2008 8:46 PM | Link to this
In the eyes of blacksall white people are racist but no black people are racist. When a white person speaks the TRUTH, based on FACTS, you people still call it racist. Like if I say, there are more blacks in jail then whites, or blacks commit more murders then whites, both facts, you people would call that racist. It is not white peoples fault that most of you are uneducated and are always in trouble.
By Boots
April 8, 2008 8:54 PM | Link to this
Having followed Judge Arrington’s career for more years than I like to remember, I know his intentions were noble.
We’ve kicked this dead horse enough.
The judge knew, in hindsight, that he had made a mistake in judgement and apologized for it.
End of story.
Adios, and Judge, keep up the good work.
By Cruzin
April 8, 2008 8:59 PM | Link to this
The judge’s message was correct. All one has to do is watch a weeks worth of Cops on TV and it’s obvious, blacks lack a value system and appear to commit far more crime than any other race. It’s sad for them and it’s sad that society has to spend a fortune on trying to keep all citizens safe.
By Gary
April 8, 2008 9:06 PM | Link to this
I’m simply telling you to speak for yourself, that’s all, View. It’s like when Larry told Moe they were trapped like rats. In Episode 39. That’s all I’m saying. Point of order. Blog on, my fine friend.
By different drummer
April 8, 2008 9:08 PM | Link to this
Desparate times calls for desparate measures.
P.S. Many young black males are doing great exciting things. Unfortunately, the only ones we see in the media are thug, rappers and sports figures.
By KBofATL
April 8, 2008 9:18 PM | Link to this
The thing that we are forgetting, that Judge Arrington remembers, is the prison population is mostly made up of black men. He is most likely acting on what his heart feels every day in his courtroom. Even though it may have a negative effect on those who are commenting on this article, rest assured that if it helped at least one of those young men to change their lives, it was well worth it.
By This guy is my hero!
April 8, 2008 9:28 PM | Link to this
If you’re in a position of power and you fail to use that position to address the serious issues of the day..when everything is said and done, you’re a coward! You seek shelter in the safety of nothingness to keep your cushy position! This Judge is a HERO in the Black community and quite frankly, I’m not suprised that a lot of White people would’nt understand. Black either because Black people are in the matrix when it comes to these kinds of issues that he addressed. Proof of it is the fact that it’s so bad, he had to address it in the 1st place. He took the time to address some of the serious issues affecting our community that are dysfunctional and embarrassing. Mind you, many attack him but can’t attack the content of what he said. This is what I call a clue! He’s a HERO and should be commended because he didn;t have to do it.
He could have just been safe like a lot of our other so called “for the community Black leaders” and done nothing. It takes courage to say ENOUGH is ENOUGH and that’s exactly what he did. Finally, there is a strong leader among our decadence and pontificational, pharasitical Black leadership.
By Skip
April 8, 2008 9:34 PM | Link to this
Hey “this guy is my hero,” A lesson for you, “would’nt” is spelled wouldn’t. Another typical uneducated thug with the wrong “hero.”
By Bravesfan79
April 8, 2008 9:35 PM | Link to this
As someone who has walked into a Gas station robbery in Douglasville, outsmarted 2 black carjackers that wanted to “drive to the woods” off of Windy Hill RD, and survived many setup attempts because i worked doing cable in the projects for 6 years, not to mention had a shirtless crackhead pull a gun on me in bankhead courts to take a cheap nextel cellphone, and once almost got pulled out of my car by a group of blacks (i accidently flashed some money) while working along MLK but popped my car in first and about ran a few of their dumb asses over instead. *So how come everytime something crazy happened it was a black male!?? *
Am i racist for saying such things just because im a young white man?
I mean i played college soccer and basketball, im definetly not racist, but theres def a certain group out there that can bite the bullet for all i care, and better believe me after uve been thru as much as i have, you stay strapped!!
Yes ive meet several black families that were great influences…even in the hood! But man the amount of no good trash out there would surprise all yall. Trust me ,as someone whos worked heavy gang populated apt complexes from Decatur to Clayton county, from Hamilton Homes to Bowen Homes. There is something seriously wrong with the black community!! Its about time someone had the balls to say whats right!!
And you know what, it starts with the trash that they let their little kids listen to on the radio station!
Its a shame that these stations care so much about profit margin that there killing and mentally messing up their own race!
Before any blacks come down on me for saying theres definetly a defference bt a nigg and a quality black person you gotta realize that if this stuff can happen to a cautious streetsmart cat like…it can happen to any of yall out there. White, Black , spanish. These dumb niggs dont care about your race, they dont even care that u only got 15 bucks on u and a pizza, they have no respect for life, therefore i have NO RESPECT FOR THEIRS!!
If your a black thug, and your reading this, if you try to rob the cable man, it might be me, and i dont feel sorry for your dumba$$$, ill kill you, no doubt in my mind!
I know im more likely to have to kill a black male than get in a fight with a redneck at a bar, isnt that a sad statement??
By Spoonky
April 8, 2008 9:43 PM | Link to this
I don’t see why people are so upset about what Judge Arrington did. If whites were going to jail at the alarming rate that blacks were and a white judge did the same thing, he would have been justified in doing the same. Now, as a Law Enforcement Officer, let me address something - it’s not that blacks commit more crimes than whites, it’s just that whites have money to hire lawyers to fight their cases, as opposed to poor blacks who are at the mercy of Public Defenders, whose #1 agenda is to clear cases, not fight for their clients. In Fulton Co., in particular Atlanta, it is predominantly black, so of course the majority arrested are going to be black. It is a known fact that whites use more illegal drugs than blacks, but blacks go to jail more for selling it. Look at your rural majority white areas and you will see just as much whites going to jail. Now, as a black man let me say this, our black boys are going to jail at a more alarming rate, but I refuse to blame the Criminal Justice System. The system is not the one that is causing them to make the bad choices that they are making. The system just reacts to what it is given. Now, where the system is at fault is the disparity in the sentencing. Whites get more lenient sentences for the same crimes than do blacks. That too is a fact. But, as a whole, some of our black boys do need to get their act together and stop the madness. Now to address Bob up top - My white Brother, their is a difference between Truth and facts. The fact is blacks do go to jail at a greater rate than blacks, but the truth is whites commit just as many crimes. Murders?!!! You want to talk about murders? Ok, let’s talk about them - The Mafia is just as cut throat and murderous as black street gangs. The majority of school shootings are committed by white men. The majority of serial killers are white men. Hitler was a white man. The murderous IRA in Ireland are white. The KKK are whit. Do you still want to talk about murders? And finally Bob, don’t bust your arm patting yourself on the back or break a leg getting up on your self righteous pedestal. More gangsta rap is bought by whites than by blacks. The media just sensationalize inner city crime to appease white America. I will give you this, blacks commit a lot of violent and drug crimes as far as selling it goes. But whites commit more sex and property crimes. Just park in the “hood” and you will see the amount of whites coming through to buy their drugs. As a matter of fact, just sit in the parking decks around The Varsity and Midtown parking decks around lunchtime and you will see your upscale white executives getting their mid day fix dropped of to them from the “Boyz in Da Hood”. It’s almost “midnite” Bob, do you know where your kids are?
By Bravesfan79
April 8, 2008 9:46 PM | Link to this
And you idiot fellow whites that are coming down on this judge for this, man this is a guy who knows something is wrong with his race…and is actually trying to do something about it!
I applaud his trying…even if the method was unusual. But u know what, if it makes just ONE of those cats in his courtroom stay straight instead of possibly killing a innocent person in the future in a botched robbery….saving that one innocent life will of been well worth all the hastle this judge ever got for doing the right thing!!
Its funny, everyone ignores serious crime unless it happens to them or someone they love.
By Seriously
April 8, 2008 9:49 PM | Link to this
I’m not too mad at what he did but what I’d also like to see is someone pull the judges, prosecutors, and even juries aside and give them a “talking to” because there are undeniably disproportionate sentences handed out to minorities. The most recent example is of course the “Barbie Bandits”…as far as I’m concerned they all should have gotten 10+ years but of course prosecutor, judge, and jury would not have it that way. hmmmmm….
By KIM
April 8, 2008 9:52 PM | Link to this
Ken, too bad you would have been upset. No one cares whether a crime breaker is singled out or not. Break the crime; do the time. Abide by the law; live free. One thing I do believe is that all youth need positive role models in their homes, churches, schools…everywhere. And the kids who do right need to be publicized and promoted as leaders. So…if a judge can use his/her forum, PLEASE do so. PASTORS, please do so. MOTHERS and FATHERS, please do so. ATTORNEYS, who make their living off the criminals, please do so.
By Seriously
April 8, 2008 9:56 PM | Link to this
Also, consider that people are fervently passing or attempting to pass laws that single out minorities such as banning sagging pants. Therefore, it can’t be too surprising that a large number of minorities (blacks in particular) end up on the wrong side of the law. I am all for taking responsibility but both institutional racism and discrimination are real.
Majority rule is like three wolves and a lamb deciding what is for dinner.
By Gary
April 8, 2008 9:59 PM | Link to this
Rick Badie: See what Obama is up against? This is why Hillary’s spin about Obama’s Pastor hurt her. You simply cant touch it. It’s such a minefield that Obama showed a tempermental prowess I dont think I’ve ever seen before. This man is a leader.
By Chris
April 8, 2008 10:25 PM | Link to this
I’ve read mosts of the comments and I’m wondering why no one hasn’t asked the question as to WHY some young black men make the mistakes they’re making? I believe the reason why some black men make terrible decisions is because they feel as though no one cares for them and society has turned their backs on them. While it is no excuse for making terrible decisions, if an entire country has turned there back on you in the form of slavery, jim crow laws and now de facto racism it would lead most people to destruction i.e. drugs, robbery, fathering unwanted children etc. While there are wonderful examples of blacks that have “made it” they account for a very small percentage of the population. Grant it, NOT all white people are racists, but we have to admit that some whites in this country make things harder for blacks, the aforementioned de facto racism. Some black men have the attitude that “America doesn’t care about me so why should I care, so I’ll cheat, steal, kill, do whatever I have to do to survive and create the life I want.” That’s why education and “doing the right” thing are not valued because they feel that even if I work hard in school, be a law abiding citizen that some prejudice boss will give the promotion to a less qualified candidate because they weren’t socialized to think that a black could handle such responsibility and most importantly be the superior to a white. So young blacks aspire to be the thug selling drugs on the corner because he drives a fancy car or the NBA or NFL player b/c they make a lot of money. NOTE: While I do not condone ANY illegal activity, we as a society need to try and understand the root cause of the problem to help eliminate the mistakes of some of these young black men.
By Danny J
April 8, 2008 10:49 PM | Link to this
It’s his courtroom, he can do what he wants. Keep race out of it — if a judge asked half the defendants to leave and the other half to stay (and kept race out of it), the half that were asked to leave would probably enjoy the 15 minute break to use the bathroom or have a smoke.
I’m not a minority so I could never tell you whether the justice system is corrupt or biased. But if you’re so afraid of a corrupt system, stay out of trouble. If you are p** that sentences are more harsh for one group over another, don’t put yourself in a position to be sentenced.
By Don
April 8, 2008 10:53 PM | Link to this
Damned if you do and damned if you don’t. When Bill Cosby chastised our people, it made us mad because it was in the presence of a mixed audience. Now people are mad that a judge gave a stern talking to some youths headed in the wrong direction in a virtually unmixed crowd. When you are sick of your OWN people, you have to pull them to the side. People who are getting scolded just seem to take it better when it is coming from one of their own, and NOT in mixed company. Playing football, you don’t mind getting yelled at in practice, but you would HATE to get yelled at during a game.
By Sal
April 8, 2008 11:06 PM | Link to this
As a white male, I am SO SICKED AND TIRED of being lectured on what I can do better to better help race relations. I don’t think we owe any group of society the pleasure of trying to help them figure out why they make mistakes and poor choices.
Slavery was 150 years ago. Let’s get over it. My ancestors were serfs and indentured servants in Europe, but I don’t blame the white Europeans for the fact that my dad was an alcoholic and never held down a good job. I blame my dad for that.
Contrary to what most blacks believe, white folks don’t sit around and constantly think of ways to keep the black man down. We could care less.
America provides the greatest hope for blacks anywhere in the world. We have programs here like the UNCF and Affirmative Action that allow blacks incredible opportunities to better themselves, even if they are policies of reverse discrimination.
I’m not sure why any one of any color makes the decisions that they make. It’s not my place to know. Or care. No one was really that concerned about how I would come from a poor white home, pay for college, get a job, and stay out of prison. But I’ve done all of those things and turned out fine. Fortunately, the only thing my alcoholic dad taught me was personal accountability. Even when his life was a trainwreck, he knew it was nobody’s fault but his.
By concerned
April 8, 2008 11:15 PM | Link to this
As a black person I disagree with the way it was done. The judge should have asked everyone to leave the courtroom, or asked to see the defendants in his chambers. This was not a good way to handle the situation.You have to give respect to others if you want respect in return.
By Taylor
April 8, 2008 11:53 PM | Link to this
Sal, you unfortunately represent the opinion of the majority of white americans, which is get over slavery, jim crow, pick your self up by your on bootstraps and then complain about why blacks are so angry. Let me ask any white person that might read this…If everything were equal (i.e. a have a great stable two parent household, great education, financial stability)would you mind being born black in America?
By Taylor
April 8, 2008 11:54 PM | Link to this
Sal, you unfortunately represent the opinion of the majority of white americans, which is get over slavery, jim crow, pick your self up by your own bootstraps and then complain about why blacks are so angry. Let me ask any white person that might read this…If everything were equal (i.e. a have a great stable two parent household, great education, financial stability)would you mind being born black in America?
By BubbaFlannel
April 9, 2008 12:22 AM | Link to this
NAACP would have been all over it if a white judge had done that….It would have been a good ol’ fake reverand convention
By Honest
April 9, 2008 12:23 AM | Link to this
Im not a minority and i CAN tell u that the justice system is very corrupt.
As a poor white male ive been screwed over several times because i didnt have money for anything but a public defender.
I actually fought a domestic violence charge all the way about 2 years ago because i knew i was innocent. I had a crazy girl roomate who thought she could hit guys because she had been in a abusive relationship before and was actually abusive towards me. (she was a BIG girl) Anyways long story short one day she attacked me (again) and i pushed her off of me in the grass and when the cops got there they didnt know who to trust, so they arrested us both!
Even thou everyone in the town knew the girl was nuts, even thou the cops knew she had other assault charges in her past (she was only 21 but thought she could get away with anything because her dad was some rich lawyer) I had witnesses and everything but the Judge ruled it as “unadmittable evidence”
He didnt even take into account that my record was clean and she had assult charges on her record. So yea i know a little bit about the dumbness of the “law”.
My public defender advised me not to talk at all during the trial, and at the end when i tried to state my case the Judge threatned me with extra jail time. This held me back a extra 2 years from going back to college and finishing up my degree because of the financial and mental stress this put me under. Trust me….those of yall that have your parents support have no idea how good you got it!
Its almost like because i was poor they didnt wanna take the time to look over the evidence i had that i was innocent!!
I personally have very little faith in the justice system, and is why i cant see myself over in Iraq fighting for a system that has done nothing but screw me over.
By BubbaFlannel
April 9, 2008 12:26 AM | Link to this
NAACP would have been all over it if a white judge had done that….It would have been a good ol’ fake reverand convention
By Surprise
April 9, 2008 12:34 AM | Link to this
I won’t comment on the article itself, I just want to say that I love the spirited comments good or bad…even at 12 in the morning. This is what we need more informing and open-minded citizens!
By Cindy
April 9, 2008 8:54 AM | Link to this
yeah this is bordering on beating a dead horse, sure enough…we’re different…everybody can’t be treated exactly the same…no matter what we do, it won’t please everyone…can we have a fresh blog please?
By Trigger
April 9, 2008 9:05 AM | Link to this
Cindy, the same moron is posting most of the comments you see here. A troll has found this blog.
It’s toast.
By Cindy
April 9, 2008 9:25 AM | Link to this
That’s what I figured…damn trolls.
By Mark
April 9, 2008 9:48 AM | Link to this
Just because there are more blacks in jail, more black youths are fatherless, or that blacks commit more crime than whites, doesn’t mean racism. It means that blacks are Violent, disgusting human flotsam. Similar to cockroaches.
By Cindy
April 9, 2008 10:19 AM | Link to this
Mark, please don’t sugarcoat it…tell us what you really think. haha.
By WAR EAGLE
April 9, 2008 1:29 PM | Link to this
LT 500is correct. The black value system is based uopn old Zimbabwean heritage-kill or be killed. The black community does not live like civilized people-those that follow Wright, Farrakhan, sharpton and Jackson. Had it not been for white people-blacks would be in africa scouring for food and living in war. they only know a freedom where you can do waht you want and not pay the penalty for it. As for the bank case-if the NAACP wants 20 yrs for first timers, why did n’t the black guy get 20 yrs the first time he was arrested? NAACP is a hate organization-anti white, anti semitic. All they know is-a 4 time loser got more than the white girl. Oh that is not fair. let’s investigate the NAACP-see if they have any TAX problems-if convicted-20 years! After all , that’s what Al Capone got right? Bill Cosby has been speaking the truth about the “black” community being uncivil. and they are upset. I guess freedom really means no rules. so if that is the case-can we shoot them?
By Mark for mayor
April 9, 2008 1:36 PM | Link to this
Good job mark. maybe if we had a WHITE MAYOR, the city would not be an Olympic sized EMBARRASSMENT run by the robert mugabe tribe of the Jacksons, Kings and Youngs! Make Atlanta brighter-Whiten it up!
By Opa
April 9, 2008 2:20 PM | Link to this
Bruce,
How many of the people the judge was speaking to do you really think could be found in the locations you suggested? Get real! It not the time or place, but the opportunity and the judge did well to take advantage of it.
By LT5000
April 9, 2008 2:25 PM | Link to this
War Eagle,
Thanks for the faint praise, however, I think you are attributing things to me that I never wrote.
However, I have to tell you, I have friends from Zimbabwe, Ghana and Nigeria.
Absolutely the best people you could know. I think the people of these countries have been victimized by corrupt ruler after corrupt ruler.
The UN bearing much of the blame. They can’t blame America for everything wrong in the world.
America’s black community has only one connection to Africa. And that is skin color. They do not share either the family or educational values of Africans.
The reason for the disintegration of the American Black Community is two fold.
A. The absence of a family unit.
and
B. Poerty pimps such as Jesse Jackson and Rev. Sharpton telling blacks that their problems are all related to the White Man keeping them down.
Obviously there are exceptions to these rules. Just as there are white people that contribute nothing to society.
One thing that cannot be ignored are the statistics on young black men. I believe the Judge was trying to address those issues, but he really should have done it at sentencing.
LT5000
By Mac
April 9, 2008 2:39 PM | Link to this
is the judge so stupid as to believe that white people wouldn’t know what he needed to say? we noticed it many years before judge arrington’s epiphany. and for him to say that his grandmother said not to ever correct black folk in front of white people, how insensitive and backward is that? that attitude is so outdated as outdated as white only water fountains. and it is just one of the many things that continue to separate us along racial lines. most coming now from the black community, mainly because of the opinion that the double standard is ok and white people deserve it. and if you are too friendly with the whites, discouraging more unity, than you are labeled an oreo or an uncle tom. nobody deserves to be treated bad because what color they happen to be born. no matter what that color is. and why is that even though more white people were apathetic to the cause of civil rights than were against it, and many whites became uncle toms in their own community by openly support civil rights, that these people are forgotten. i’m white and my family lived in alabama, my dad was ‘allowed’ to interview for a job when he was desperately unemployed, only to have the bigot foreman ask him if his wife was still on that N*er kick. he didn’t get the job. but my mom and dad didn’t side with racism and even though some people wouldn’t change from their backward ways (ways that parents and grandparents wrongfully taught their impressionable children)my parents still beleived in everything MLK was doing and supported it. but these are the same people that would be excluded from the courtroom today. black people didn’t catch all the hell during the civil rights movement, being a collaborator wasn’t so good either. just ask those white kids that got buried in a earthen dam. thank goodness judge arrington was born black, for if he wasn’t he wouldn’t have his job today. how’s that for racial discrimination.
By chicken coming home to roust
April 9, 2008 2:42 PM | Link to this
we in this state need a lot more of that from all judges the jail are full. Black, white, brown,yellow, our kid need help. They are cash cows for the system. we need all kind of help. race does matter but if your heart is in the right place we all should try to help. All kid matter Georgia. we as a people must change our ways. If you are happy with the way thing are keep doing what you are doing and you will get know change. we hate but don’t listen. we all have some of the same problem. Good job judge. now only if we can get more people to do the same no matter what color they are and please don’t trip out just listen!
By MWK
April 9, 2008 2:45 PM | Link to this
I think we should all remember that old adage that “justice is blind”; trite, but true. As a former prosecutor, I have no problem AT ALL with what Judge Arrington said, just that EVERYONE should have heard it. I’m sure virtually everyone in his courtroom that day - black or otherwise - could have benefited from the advice Judge Arrington handed out; our society has an interest in all citizens avoiding criminal conduct and taking personal responsibility for their actions, not just those who are African American (if you’re in a courtroom answering criminal charges, something tells me you could use a good talking to about the ‘rights and wrongs’ of life, no matter who you are). So, Judge Arrington, next time share your words with everyone. Remember, too, that crime is not discriminatory with its victims and impacts all of society, “red and yellow, black and white” as some of us teach our children. Focus on who’s AFFECTED by crime as much as WHO COMMITS the crime, and distinctions of race will become less relevant.
By keith
April 9, 2008 2:46 PM | Link to this
Arrington is a judge of law, and is there to provide services on a (one on one coucel), NOT group us together and blame me or someone else for my one time court appearance in 32 years, as a carless, crazed minority who has not sense of pride about myself or my people (for a light I didn’t run). As mentioned previously, look at where the tickets are given. Arrington sees racism in his courtroom first hand. The fact that mostly minorities are in his courtroom, shows you that GA police tickets more people of color, rather than worn them, like they do other races. Courtrooms are filed with mostly African Americans and Mexicans…He needs to address the issue why. Cops give tickets to who they want…If a quota is needed, then go to Decatur put up road blocks and issue tickets; I don’t see this happening in Alpharetta or Sandy Springs…..not even in Buckhead.
By keith
April 9, 2008 2:46 PM | Link to this
Arrington is a judge of law, and is there to provide services on a (one on one coucel), NOT group us together and blame me or someone else for my one time court appearance in 32 years, as a carless, crazed minority who has not sense of pride about myself or my people (for a light I didn’t run). As mentioned previously, look at where the tickets are given. Arrington sees racism in his courtroom first hand. The fact that mostly minorities are in his courtroom, shows you that GA police tickets more people of color, rather than worn them, like they do other races. Courtrooms are filed with mostly African Americans and Mexicans…He needs to address the issue why. Cops give tickets to who they want…If a quota is needed, then go to Decatur put up road blocks and issue tickets; I don’t see this happening in Alpharetta or Sandy Springs…..not even in Buckhead.
By keith
April 9, 2008 2:47 PM | Link to this
Arrington is a judge of law, and is there to provide services on a (one on one coucel), NOT group us together and blame me or someone else for my one time court appearance in 32 years, as a carless, crazed minority who has not sense of pride about myself or my people (for a light I didn’t run). As mentioned previously, look at where the tickets are given. Arrington sees racism in his courtroom first hand. The fact that mostly minorities are in his courtroom, shows you that GA police tickets more people of color, rather than worn them, like they do other races. Courtrooms are filed with mostly African Americans and Mexicans…He needs to address the issue why. Cops give tickets to who they want…If a quota is needed, then go to Decatur put up road blocks and issue tickets; I don’t see this happening in Alpharetta or Sandy Springs…..not even in Buckhead.
By keith
April 9, 2008 2:49 PM | Link to this
Arrington is a judge of law, and is there to provide services on a (one on one coucel), NOT group us together and blame me or someone else for my one time court appearance in 32 years, as a carless, crazed minority who has not sense of pride about myself or my people (for a light I didn’t run). As mentioned previously, look at where the tickets are given. Arrington sees racism in his courtroom first hand. The fact that mostly minorities are in his courtroom, shows you that GA police tickets more people of color, rather than worn them, like they do other races. Courtrooms are filed with mostly African Americans and Mexicans…He needs to address the issue why. Cops give tickets to who they want…If a quota is needed, then go to Decatur put up road blocks and issue tickets; I don’t see this happening in Alpharetta or Sandy Springs…..not even in Buckhead.
By El Buttface
April 9, 2008 3:07 PM | Link to this
Wonders of modern science! All!
By COncerned Single Mom with a 19 yr old son
April 9, 2008 3:11 PM | Link to this
WOW!!! I never really thought that much of what Mr. Arrington did because I was thinking “If my son had been in that court room, I would have been very pleased with someone trying to get in his head.” But now that I read everyone’s comments, I am not really sure. Because I am raising my son alone with no male figure around, I would like any man that is positive, successful and had business about himself to talk to my son. Black or White. I just think that all young boys or girls that don’t have male role models will benefit from a stern talkin to. It’s just unfortunate that we as black and white parents are still teaching out kids seperation. Make them understand what consequences can happen when you don’t do the right thing. Regardless of race. Then we won’t have to worry about wether or not we as black people have just as much money as white people to hire a lawer because we wouldn’t need them. I am a black women that agrees with some of the comments of the black people and white. All I think is right is right and wrong is wrong. I tell my son all the time, be proud of your black skin but don’t use the things that happen years ago to make you angry at white people. Treat everyone the same. And that’s all I have to say about that……
By MWK
April 9, 2008 3:16 PM | Link to this
Keith -
Most of your anger is mis-directed. Judge Arrington is a Superior Court judge, handling felony arrests. He doesn’t do traffic court. Now, he may see the occasional DUI resulting in death (vehicular homicide) or what is known as a felony habitual violator (one who drives after having his license repeatedly suspended), but he doesn’t see ticket cases. Most of the cases brought before him are felonies charged either by accusation (a document filed by District Attorney Paul Howard - who, while African American, I know from personal experience is color-blind when it comes to crime) or by indictment by a grand jury, an IMPARTIAL panel who determines whether probable cause exists to believe a crime has been committed. So, whatever your personal beef is (and it sounds like you’ve got one), be assured that those unfortunate enough to wind up in Judge Arrington’s court - or any court in Fulton County, for that matter - aren’t there on the whims of a racist traffic cop with a thick ticket book and a quota to fill. You are mis-informed, my friend.
By peachykeen
April 9, 2008 3:22 PM | Link to this
Hey Biff, whites commit crimes, too, they just get lighter sentences. According to your theory blacks don’t work, pay mortgages, utilities, etc. All we do is go out and commit crimes. Who shoots up all the schools? What race are most serial killers? Please.
By DawgsChick
April 9, 2008 3:25 PM | Link to this
Honestly, I don’t agree with the dismissal of ANY race from a courtroom for a “heart-to-heart” talk. He could have kept the defendants after court to express his point of view.
I come from a interracial couple and I don’t understand how we are supposed to be a nation that is diverse and intergrated, BUT we always find a way to segregate ourselves.
Had a white judge mirrored Judge Arrington’s actions, the NAACP and the biggest racist in America… Al Sharpton… would have popped up out the sky requesting that judge resign!
By KUSH
April 9, 2008 3:42 PM | Link to this
Black people are the biggest racist on this planet!!!!! Hypocrits also!!!
By GA Tech Scared
April 9, 2008 3:43 PM | Link to this
My wife attends GA Tech. Any time a crime is committed on campus, an e-mail is sent out. There have been at least eight in the last month..ALL OF THE SUSPECTS WERE BLACK! In 2+ years, not one suspect has ever been white. There is a serious problem and it won’t be fixed until the black community admits it has a problem and stops blaming others. And by the way..Idaho, West Virginia and Kentucky are all in the bottom 10 of per capita income..and bottom 10 in violent crime rate..and all have very low black populations. WHY DON’T POOR WHITE PEOPLE COMMIT CRIMES? Face the facts folks..it’s a cultural thing.
By KUSH
April 9, 2008 3:44 PM | Link to this
Black people are the biggest racist on this planet!!!!! Hypocrits also!!!
By Grandmaw
April 9, 2008 3:46 PM | Link to this
Well folks, I guess I’m a bit like Obama’s grandmaw. When I see some black or brown man coming at me - from either front, back, right, or left and he looks scuffy with his pants down to his knees, I sure enough move way far away to avoid any confrontation. Lord knows I ain’t got nothing in this world anybody would want and this old body ain’t worth having either - but some of those kind of black and brown peoples is just mean and want to hurt people - especially be they white. The Judge he is a good man and we need more like him and Cosby to be Heros so old ladies don’t have to be so scared. That also goes for all white people to not be so scared of the people that comes from Africa who I thinks would like to go back over there so they can do their own thing with other black people and not worry us white peoples so much. Maybe Obama should move to Africa and get all them countries to do right and become Democrats.
By Must Have
April 9, 2008 3:49 PM | Link to this
Only by razing Racists themselves can we race against the racial tensions that race raises.
By MikeB
April 9, 2008 3:50 PM | Link to this
White Gwinnettian here (Maybe i should not involve myself in what goes on in Fulton County, but here goes…….
I’m glad Judge Arrington made the attempt….. Black leaders like Rev. Jesse Jackson, Rev. Lowery and Rev. Sharpton spend more time admonsihing white people for their alleged racist tendecies than challenging other black people on the issues of character, honor, and responsibility. Some of these leaders are so morally bankrupt, they have no business lecturing rock never mind people from “any” race. You get the picture. No details needed.
I am not pleased with how he went about it….. The courtroom is not the place for lectures unless it is directly tied to a sentence being handed down ie; an explanation of a sentence).
I am sure its not the first time a judge has overstepped his authority in the courtroom. I am sure white Judges have taken their share of liberties too. After all Judges are powerful people, and some times they get swept up in their own power. This type thing is the result of that nothing more.
This issue created the amount of feedback it did, because when white people speak, they have to do so as individuals. There are no white Jesse Jackson’s or Al Sharpton’s to analyze an event and determine if their own agenda’s could be furthered by them becoming involved( or the mouthpiece for) with a particular issue. If we did have such people, they would be heckled by the above mentioned as “racists” or worse. So individuals speak their mind.
In the end the only way this cycle will break out of the rut of white reaction/black defense or vice versa, is: 1.In the case of this issue, the good intentions and motivations of Judge Arrignton are acted upon agressively with their target audience, long before and appearance in court. Judge Arrington’s story is a good one. He should be proud to share it.
2.The renouncement of the morally inept Jesse Jackson, and the tactless Al Sharpton and others who preach from the pulpit but are of questionable character to be doing so.
We need to really understand that the hip - hop life, the christian life, or whatever life style a person want to lead, is ok, as long as that person in doing so, does not infringe on another persons freedoms/rights, or break the law. (I personally would add “does not do disservice to or digrace your family name” but thats just me).
Black or white, that is the end of the story.
By m'divine
April 9, 2008 3:51 PM | Link to this
Boob, I mean Bob
I probably (also include my siblings, nieces and nephews) had a better upbringing and education than you (comfortable middle-class amenities and all). What I learned when I moved to the South and lived on a low-income earnings level was that as long as my skin is black, I will be denied the right to exercise my morality, integrity and self-worth-not because I convey any dubious traits or behaviors, but rather simply because I have black skin. Over and over again, I was humilated, ridiculed and constantly reminded that as a black person I had no right to carry myself above a means that intimidated or infuriated white ppl in the South.
By JackLeg
April 9, 2008 3:54 PM | Link to this
As long as there are 2 sets of rules there will be a separation of the people. 1 set of rules for all, no exceptions is the way to erase lines.
By LT5000
April 9, 2008 3:56 PM | Link to this
M’divine,
Give us a break.
I noticed you didn’t provide one example of how you were “denied the right to exercise my morality, integrity and self-worth”.
Some people just love playing the victim.
LT5000
By Rich
April 9, 2008 3:58 PM | Link to this
TYPICAL
By Bill
April 9, 2008 3:59 PM | Link to this
“They’re standing on the corner and they can’t speak English. I can’t even talk the way these people talk: Why you ain’t, Where you is, What he drive, Where he stay, Where he work, Who you be…
And I blamed the kid until I heard the mother talk. And then I heard the father talk.
Everybody knows it’s important to speak English except these knuckleheads.
You can’t be a doctor with that kind of crap coming out of your mouth.
In fact you will never get any kind of job making a decent living.
People marched and were hit in the face with rocks to get an education, and now we’ve got these knuckleheads walking around.
The lower economic people are not holding up their end in this deal.
These people are not parenting. They are buying things for kids. $500 sneakers for what ? ? And they won’t spend $200 for Hooked on Phonics.
I am talking about these people who cry when their son is standing there in an orange suit. Where were you when he was 2?? Where were you when he was 12? Where were you when he was 18, and how come you didn’t know that he had a pistol??
And where is the father?? Or who is his father?
People putting their clothes on backward: Isn’t that a sign of something gone wrong?
People with their hats on backward, pants down around the crack, isn’t that a sign of something? Or are you waiting for Jesus to pull his pants up ?
Isn’t it a sign of something when she has her dress all the way up and got all type of needles [piercing] going through her body?
What part of Africa did this come from?? We are not Africans. Those people are not Africans; they don’t know a thing about Africa . With names like Shaniqua, Taliqua and Mohammed and all of that crap, and all of them are in jail.
Brown or black versus the Board of Education is no longer the white person’s problem.
We have got to take the neighborhood back.
People used to be ashamed. Today a woman has eight children with eight different ‘husbands’ — or men or whatever you call them now.
We have millionaire football players who cannot read.
We have million-dollar basketball players who can’t write two paragraphs. We, as black folks have to do a better job. Someone working at Wal-Mart with seven kids, you are hurting us.
We have to start holding each other to a higher standard.
“We cannot blame the white people any longer.”
Dr. William Henry "Bill" Cosby, Jr., Ed.D.By m'divine
April 9, 2008 4:08 PM | Link to this
LT5000
Oh you mean like how 8 white women at Dekalb College 9in a work-study program) decided that I did not deserve to receive the type of support I did for my academic performance and then took it upon themselves to destroy my entire academic career. According to them- I had too much (I lived in Buckhead, out dressed their raggedy cracker arses and was headed for Agnes Scott). They decided I did not need the opportunities I had presented to me because black ppl get everything.
By MikeB
April 9, 2008 4:09 PM | Link to this
Sorry for the spelling/grammer errors in my earlier post……I’m white, and I’m not perfect (confession 2 days early lol).
By m'divine
April 9, 2008 4:09 PM | Link to this
LT5000
Oh you mean like how 8 white women at Dekalb College 9in a work-study program) decided that I did not deserve to receive the type of support I did for my academic performance and then took it upon themselves to destroy my entire academic career. According to them- I had too much (I lived in Buckhead, out dressed their raggedy cracker arses and was headed for Agnes Scott). They decided I did not need the opportunities I had presented to me because black ppl get everything.
By Mac
April 9, 2008 4:10 PM | Link to this
a serial killer is anybody that has killed more than one person, with that in mind and considering percentage of population, no one has a monoploy on serial killers. and no group can claim to be better than the other in this area. you are not at risk of being a serial killer just because you were born white, that is in fact a racist opinion. there are documented cases of black serial killers, Malvo being just one.
By m'divine
April 9, 2008 4:14 PM | Link to this
LT5000
And no sugah, I do not need to play the victim. One thing I learned is that most white ppl in GA are truly rooted to their legacy as the spawn of white trash. I never knew so many low life white ppl existed ( and I grew up in a integrated culture)-but hey, I guess they had to go somewhere.
By LT5000
April 9, 2008 4:18 PM | Link to this
M’divine,
You went to college? Your writings barely makes sense and grammatically they are atrocious.
What I can barely discern from your story is that you didn’t get something you wanted, and white women are to blame because you could out-dress them.
LT5000
By leroy
April 9, 2008 4:19 PM | Link to this
“We cannot blame the white people any longer.”
will it ever be that way?
By Cooter
April 9, 2008 4:21 PM | Link to this
Silly Caucasians.
By Rhett
April 9, 2008 4:23 PM | Link to this
It’s the judge’s courtroom & he has a legal right to exercise HIS judgment in there. Personally, I wish each judge would take the opportunity to have firesides with kids coming through his/her courtroom, especially if he/she can find some common ground, be it race, gender or otherwise.
If someone doesn’t intervene in that young person’s life, that youth will just become a more experience part of society’s problem. We’re already preventing parents & teachers from correcting the children, now we’re preventing judges as well? The only people left to correct them are police & correctional officers…& they aren’t correcting; it’s all law ENFORCEment at that point. Jail/prisons are just a place for all the criminals to go get extensive criminal education from other criminals. Then, they’re released back into society 2 reek havoc on us. So please let the judges help who they may. I can be offended by what I consider race/gender discrimination or I can be offended when my property, family, or body is violated.
By GeezGuys
April 9, 2008 4:30 PM | Link to this
Hey, chiponyourshoulderm’divine, there is no DeKalb College. Perhaps this explains your lack of writing skills. Imaginary institutions don’t have very high standards.
By Brandon
April 9, 2008 4:31 PM | Link to this
If a white judge did this he or she would have been fired.
By Cooter
April 9, 2008 4:46 PM | Link to this
We can put the end to this, YES, if it were a judge of any other race he would be fired. If you have that much of a problem, get the hell off the blog and do something about it.
By C.M. Thornton III
April 9, 2008 5:00 PM | Link to this
Sorry Rick. An open court is not where you hold “fireside chats”. And you know as well as I do if ole’ whitey had ordered all the black folk out of the courtroom so he could talk to the troubled white folks “white man to white man”, you, the NAACP and every other person of color would have came unglued…
By Mac
April 9, 2008 5:01 PM | Link to this
it’s not ok to brush aside something as wrong as segregation by saying something like ‘his heart was in the right place’ ’ he had noble intentions’ that’s not good enough. segregation is segregation. and just think for yourself the reasons why people would segregate. a lot of the white people in the past, that in my opinion were bigots, thought they had noble intentions too. they thought they were doing the right thing for THEIR people too. they knew what they were doing was controversial, but they just tried brushed it aside by saying something like ‘when ever you try to do the right thing people will oppose you’. crap! once again segregation is segregation. you can dress it up, but it will still stink. the judge should be doing this, but he should invite all to be present and he shouldn’t do it in a court of law. I agree with the other poster that the courtroom should be without bias and personal opinion. a lot of people that are messin’ their lives up and their family’s lives need some tough love, but the courtroom is not the venue and segregation is not the method to implement it, it’s the method that got us to this point. over-used by both whites and blacks.
By lisa
April 9, 2008 5:03 PM | Link to this
This is one of those things that internally Black people understood what and why Judge Arrington did what he did.
It is a cultural pride and yet a cultural hurt. As a black man (father) he sees these defendants (sons/daughters) making poor choices and he is admonishing them but keeping it in “the family”.
If Judge Arrington had said the above to explain himself would it had made a difference before the white people was asked to leave the room? Maybe.
By Chocolate icecream
April 9, 2008 5:03 PM | Link to this
Most of the crime happen today, are caused by blacks. You see it and hear it on the news everyday. No doubt the news media gets good credit by presenting news about everything a black does. The situation is clear, blacks need someone to keep them in line, their fathers have neglected the responsibility of fatherhood and end up in jail,or for doing drugs. This judge took it as a father to encourage these young thugs coming in his courtroom daily. Who is going to do this for them? They have been already been labeled as no goods,I have no problem in him doing this for them. The percentage of whites in the courtrooms are low comparative to the blacks. We need more father figures like this judge to these young, confused, minds.
By Mac
April 9, 2008 5:19 PM | Link to this
that’s just it, too much pride. a famous saying ‘after pride goeth a fall’. pride and confidence are so dangerously close to arrogance and conceit, they have to be attentively managed or they begin to cause problems for obvious reasons. when the judge’s grandmother told him not to correct black people in front of white people, she was right, but only then, and only because of those severe times. if his grandmother were to say that now, she would be wrong. times have changed and if people would stop resisting and stop blaming and stop looking for some kind of restitution for anything that has ever happen to them or anyone they were ever related to from some fictious insurance agency, we could start moving forward, instead of moving backwards. and black people should try not just to understand someone just like them, but they should try to understand the other side. this is not Martin’s dream. we could all do better. but both sides have to be willing to indentify the problems made by others and especially the problems caused by themselves.
By Al Turner
April 9, 2008 5:21 PM | Link to this
LT 5000
Please listen to the entire Rev Wright sermon and not the blurbs that the media is showing.
By Darlene
April 9, 2008 5:24 PM | Link to this
War EAGLE An excellant point you make when asking, where would the black population in the U.S. be now if they HAD’NT been brought over here to use as slaves?
Worn tore Africa and/or surrounding area, enslaved to THIS day by their own.
At the very LEAST black people here NOW have an opportunity to better themselves. I don’t think the same opportunity would exist for the majority of blacks here and now.
Guess thats why they decided to sty once they were freed by the big WHITE man. President Lincoln.
By Catz
April 9, 2008 5:26 PM | Link to this
M’divine -
Your comments reek of the “self ascribed victims” mantra………It is not MY fault, it is her fault, his fault, their fault, whitey’s fault. Blah, blah, blah. If there is one thing I cannot stand, it is someone who refuses to accept responsibility for their own mistakes.
And, I believe it was Keith?
I am sure there are tons of white officers that just write all their tickets/citations up on black folks, while only giving whites a warning. Oh, give me a break. I am white, and the ONLY time I ever got out of a traffic ticket, was when I was 9+ months PG. Obviously the cop wasn’t going to risk having to assist with delivery.
Yall crack me up.
By Cooter
April 9, 2008 5:34 PM | Link to this
Darlene, I don’t want to hear that BS. What if the slave trade never happened? What if the White man never stepped his greedy feet in Africa? There are situations that led to the violence in Africa and many of those things are because of the White man. Can you say blood diamonds? So I don’t want to hear any ignorant statements about Black people being “better” off after slavery. Everything the White man gets his greedy little hands on, he corrupts. Guess what, I’LL be a racists for saying that. Good day to you.
By Cooter
April 9, 2008 5:38 PM | Link to this
I meant racist. By the way, Lincoln owned slaves and the only reason for ending slavery was political. Lincoln was just as White as they come. The arrogance of you White people, I can’t stand it. You know where you can go!
By Darlene
April 9, 2008 5:39 PM | Link to this
Oh I see….. Truth hurt too much in my earlier sumitted posting, eh Badie?
No problem, pick and choose what you will…your blog. Obviously.
By Darlene
April 9, 2008 5:44 PM | Link to this
Cooter, Your assumption is that I’m white? Wrongggggg. Cuban/Italian. So go take your self proclaimed “racist” remarks and put them…..well.you know where. Good day to you.
By tim
April 9, 2008 5:56 PM | Link to this
i agree we black people are in serious trouble
By emack06
April 9, 2008 5:56 PM | Link to this
I had more crimes commited against me by young white males than young black males. of course, not all young black men are criminals or thugs as some would have you believe. There is nothing “wrong” with the black community. There are just as many white criminals as there are blacks.
By Jillian
April 9, 2008 6:21 PM | Link to this
There would be a PC outcry if the judge was white and ordered all the blacks out of his court. Give me a break. Look at what happened to Imus, he was wrong, he apologized. The media was all over him. Look at Rev. Wright and all of the hateful things he said about whites, he basically got away with these discriminating HATEFUL words. Picking on any race is wrong no matter if you are minority or not. I have experienced racism many of times. It is sad but real. But, it seems today it is more acceptable to pick on white folks without any consequences. You can’t deny it. Racism is everywhere. discrimination is not deserved either. The past is past, to move on, one must not continue to play the blame game and look resentfully to the past.
By pw
April 9, 2008 6:31 PM | Link to this
This man sits on the bench day after day and watches the lives of young Black men being ruined by choices they’ve made and he felt the need to speak. Second guess all you want but his motives were pure. Only naive people believe we are one national melting pot. There are Black communities, white, Hispanic, Asian, wealthy, middle class, and poor communities. The people who live in these communities see things from the perspective that defines their existence. He did the right thing and I hope he does it again and if the white people want to be there fine, but they need to understand that he is talking to the people who most look like him because he knows that they know he understands where they come from and how life impacts them.
By Bruce Wilcox
April 9, 2008 10:34 PM | Link to this
Jillian, ever hear of David Duke? Strom Thurman, the Senator who secertly fathered a Black child, who quit the Democrats because President Truman intergrated the military and formed the Dixiecrats before becoming a Republican? The only two congressman out of the entire House to vote against extending the Voting Rights Act last year, naturally from Georgia, Westmoreland and Grandy (sp). Besides all the right wingnut preacher$.
Educate yourself before being a hypocrite
By LT5000
April 9, 2008 10:39 PM | Link to this
Cooter,
You do the Black Community a disservice by displaying your ignorance of Abraham Lincoln.
He did not own slaves. No matter what your cousin’s friends brother said. Or did Rev Wright tell you that?
http://showcase.netins.net/web/creative/lincoln/faq.htm
Some facts for you before you start spouting again.
LT5000
By Gandalf, the Grey
April 10, 2008 10:08 AM | Link to this
Cooter, I think your gay and angry. Who sold the white folks the slaves in Africa? Hmmm, black folks?
By Thomas
April 10, 2008 11:40 AM | Link to this
As someone that has spent a significant amount of time around black youth and whites of all ages I would have to agree with the sentiments of “Chris(April 8th 10:25pm).”
By jessie
April 11, 2008 7:16 AM | Link to this
I am glad that Judge Arrington had a fireside chat with the individuals, although this move is long overdue in the court system. However, I believe there is an alternative way to resolve this matter, these young men need to be required to be involved in a “Mentor Program” in order to have a Successful Life. I applaud him for doing this and I hope that he continues to speakout on this issue.
By BILL
April 11, 2008 7:57 AM | Link to this
Everyone knows that if a white judge had done this there would be marches and protest and appearances on all of the talk shows. I think that Judge Arrington is doing what should have been done. The black race needs to take a good look at their culture and attitudes. They need to police themselves to get rid of this thug entitlement attitude. I think that is what Bill Cosby and Judge Arrington are attempting. Maybe more black leaders should do this as well. For some reason, I can’t imagine Jesse Jackson admitting there is a problem.
By morlos
April 11, 2008 8:04 AM | Link to this
what did you except his blackness to do. get real people, think its bad now let oboma get in power. your white butts will be in some camp somewhere. dont think it can’t happen
By inou
April 11, 2008 8:15 AM | Link to this
We are from different cultures and sadly, it just isn’t working. I thought we were making progress for a while. Truthfully, since OJ, I am reluctant to trust blacks, because their main agenda seems to be their skin color, not what is best for America. This is the main reason they are voting for Obama: because of his complexion. Not a care in the world about how he would handle the economy or the war, as long as he is black. This does not pertain to the entire black population, but as a voice, it seems that way. You can’t get along with someone who refuses to get along. Sad. If Arrington can’t be color blind, he doesn’t belong on the bench.
By Willie
April 11, 2008 8:22 AM | Link to this
Cooter: Do you think that Blacks own the copy wrights to slavery? That the Blacks were the only slaves ever existed? First COOTER! I do not owe you anything. I do not owe the other races anything. I am an American, not a European American, not an African American, not an Asian American, and I live in the greates country in the world. However, we have those who make a living off the past struggles of earlier Americans. I WAS OFFENDED BY THE ACTIONS OF THE JUDGE. That is not his role. If that judge wants to be a social worker then let him step down from the bench. How about going to their church and chastise them their. Let him get together with Rev. Wright and I am sure they will exonerate the defendants and blame the white racist America. Of course those on the left think the bench is where the law is made any way.
By matt
April 11, 2008 8:27 AM | Link to this
it’s just another example of the fact that racism is equal on both sides of the fence. Both sides need to have a “fireside chat”. Arrington should be fired.
By HeySoose
April 11, 2008 8:29 AM | Link to this
Get used to it folks. The PC crowd believes that you’re only a racist if you are white. You’d have to be a retard to think that if this was a white judge, that Badie wouldn’t be all over this like white on rice.
By bored
April 11, 2008 8:31 AM | Link to this
Slavery was an injustice, but you’re free to leave anytime. What’s stopping you now?
By matt
April 11, 2008 8:32 AM | Link to this
it’s just another example of the fact that racism is equal on both sides of the fence. Both sides need to have a “fireside chat”. Arrington should be fired.
By matt
April 11, 2008 8:34 AM | Link to this
it’s just another example of the fact that racism is equal on both sides of the fence. Both sides need to have a “fireside chat”. Arrington should be fired.
By Burnie
April 11, 2008 8:39 AM | Link to this
I feel the judge did a good thing. Too bad in our society today we will strain at a nat then swallow a camel. Atleast the judge did something. In my estimation..being an officer of the court he was in his rights to use that forum to try and appeal to these young people. And after all..that is what’s important..trying to help the youth get back on track. so let’s stop looking for things to complain about and lets see the big picture. I applaud the judges actions.
By bored
April 11, 2008 8:49 AM | Link to this
Burnie, the big picture is the out of control situation with the black community.
By brion wilson
April 11, 2008 8:58 AM | Link to this
OH PLEASE PEOPLE….WE ARE TALKING ABOUT GROWN ADULTS HERE 18 AND OLDER..WE DONT NEED PEOPLE IN SUCCESSFUL POSITIONS TO TELL GROWN PEOPLE HOW TO ACT, THATS THE RESPONDSIBILITY OF THEIR PARENTS WHO RAISED THEM AND ULTIMATELY EACH INDIVIDUAL…STOP TRYING TO PUT THE RESPONDSIBLITY ON OTHERS…THATS LIKE SAYING MICHAEL JORAN IS RESPONDSIBLE FOR HOW YOUR CHILD BEHAVES AT SHCOOL BUT MICHAEL JORDAN NEVER MEETS YOUR CHILD AND IS ONLY VIEWED WHILE PLAYING BASKETBALL…GET A LIFE PEOPLE, STOP TRYING TO MAKE EXCUSES FOR OTHER PEOPLE FAULTS…EVERY MAN OR WOMAN MAKES THEIR BED, SO THEY SHOULD LIE IN IT…PERIOD…..FROM A BLACK MAN.
By j
April 11, 2008 9:04 AM | Link to this
This is what we have to look forward to if Obama becomes president. Will the racist ever end? “IN GOD WE TRUST”
By Kendall
April 11, 2008 9:14 AM | Link to this
Why is it that every blog I read on this newspaper, we as Atlantians get off on this left wing/right wing propaganda and never talk about the issue at hand? The fact is that Judge Arrington is feed up with seeing all these young Black men in his courtroom every week and he was attempting to have dialogue on what he sees that is destroying the Black community. When 60% of our young men are being raised in single parent households and not finishing High School, what future will they have besides crime? Growing up, I had successful mentors that taught me pride, respect for self, and determination. What he did was not considered strange in our community, it’s called being “chastised” by your elders. I guess in today’s society being politically correct is more important than teaching and mentoring those that have made mistakes. If these young men that I see with their pants hanging down below there behinds are our future, then we are in serious trouble. Just speaking from the heart.
By Kendall
April 11, 2008 9:17 AM | Link to this
Why is it that every blog I read on this newspaper, we as Atlantians get off on this left wing / right wing propaganda and never talk about the issue at hand? The fact is that Judge Arrington is feed up with seeing all these young Black men in his courtroom every week and he was attempting to have dialogue on what he sees that is destroying the Black community. When 60% of our young men are being raised in single parent households and not finishing High School, what future will they have besides crime? Growing up, I had successful mentors that taught me pride, respect for self, and determination. What he did was not considered strange in our community, it’s called being “chastised” by your elders. I guess in today’s society being politically correct is more important than teaching and mentoring those that have made mistakes. If these young men that I see with their pants hanging down below there behinds are our future, then we are in serious trouble. Just speaking from the heart.
By Kendall
April 11, 2008 9:19 AM | Link to this
Why is it that every blog I read on this newspaper, we as Atlantians get off on this left wing / right wing propaganda and never talk about the issue at hand? The fact is that Judge Arrington is feed up with seeing all these young Black men in his courtroom every week and he was attempting to have dialogue on what he sees that is destroying the Black community. When 60% of our young men are being raised in single parent households and not finishing High School, what future will they have besides crime? Growing up, I had successful mentors that taught me pride, respect for self, and determination. What he did was not considered strange in our community, it’s called being “chastised” by your elders. I guess in today’s society being politically correct is more important than teaching and mentoring those that have made mistakes. If these young men that I see with their pants hanging down below there behinds are our future, then we are in serious trouble. Just speaking from the heart.
By fairness for all
April 11, 2008 9:31 AM | Link to this
We all know that in this day of political correctness that a white judge doing the same thing would be asked to step down by reporters like Badie, Tucker and their ilk. It’s all about what’s best for the black people and to hell with the whites. I am moving to another city that has some sense and doesn’t constantly bring up race in everything. Keep in mind that blacks make up only about 15% of the US population, but we seem to bend over backwards for anything they want. Go figure!
By Mike
April 11, 2008 9:42 AM | Link to this
To answer Rick’s original question, personally, I don’t have a problem with the judge. The fact that the NCAAP might have gone after a white judge had he done the same …well, two wrongs would not make a right, so I still feel this judge was OK in what he did (not perfect, but OK).
I am seriously frightened after reading all the posts, though, about the level of racism that is being displayed…black and white. Let’s hope this is just people playing and is not real. It is scary. Most of it is also just plain ignorant. However, it is just a handful of folks who display this attitude.
Many of the posts were thoughtful and reflective, which was nice to see. To me, this country offers one thing that is not present elsewhere and which makes us great…equal opportunity. That is what makes our society great. We should fight like hell everytime, and everyplace, we see obstructions to equal opportunity, no matter whether it comes from a black man in a pulpit or a white man in a business suit.
What this country is NOT about is equal results. You have the freedom to screw up here. You have the personal liberty to take your opportunities, and go with them or blow them. No guarantees. Far too many people think that equal opportunities somehow should be measured by the equality of results…not so.
Many white folks think equal opportunity DOES exist today. It is very tough for whites to get jobs, hold them, etc etc. The world is a tough place. So when black folks complain, many whites just see blacks dealing with the same hardships we are dealing with and “whining” about them. Many black folks think racism still exists, yet when you look at their stories and supporting arguments, they are either factually incorrect or look all too much like the afore-mentioned whining.
By Curious
April 11, 2008 9:54 AM | Link to this
This piece leaves me curious about several other points. I wonder how a “fire side chat” with those officials exercising discretion within the larger criminal justice system (police and prosecutors) would be received and viewed. I wonder what an empirical study by social scientists would reveal about the reasons for the disproportionate representation by some groups (presumably African-Americans) in this courtroom and in other places within the system. I wonder what social scientists could tell us about the reasons for disparities and the ways to correct them (discrimination, economic hardship, governmental neglect, etc.) I wonder how your column would be received and reviewed if you really attacked these issues from an objective, analytical, and critically constructive perspective.
By Drew
April 11, 2008 9:57 AM | Link to this
gttim, now read and learn, those girls cooperated with the police the black guys DID NOT. As well as having proir convictions and being on parole, the ladies on the other hand DID NOT. Thats why their sentences where longer. Think about it before you post next time.
By Cindy
April 11, 2008 10:13 AM | Link to this
I just wonder what is a social scientist…
By Russell
April 11, 2008 10:20 AM | Link to this
I think people (white and black) are either missing or are unaware of a situation that currently plagues the BLACK community, and that is male role models. Judge Arrington took the initiative to speak to those people when no one will. Judge might be able to impart an influence that they normally do not recieve within their household. And I agree if it was a white judge he would have been chastised for the separation… Judge Arrington realizes that there are black people who do not see other black people in positions of power… or get a chance to see positive black images… Readers here might not know that many black people see images of despair, crime, and lawlessness on a daily basis. To see a black man who cares is something many poor blacks do not have exposure to.
By Brian
April 11, 2008 10:27 AM | Link to this
Okay first I see it like this..its a whole different setting if we are taking race as a whole. The whole history and even the statistics of today show a very different way of living for blacks as opposed to whites. Young blacks especially males are more prone to either be dead or in jail by the time they reach 25yrs. of age. Where as most whites are born into some type of structure where they know that one day they will be CEO or president of their grandfather’s multi-million/billion dollar company. I mean just take a trip to the prison, then lets go to a majority black community and then lets go to a majority white community..I mean the whole structure is different. Seriously what possibly could a white judge tell his younger white generation stay in line and do whats right and you will inherit your family business.(and just note Im not using individuals but more a statistically analysis on the subject)..We like to say that everything is on a even playing field but in reality its not. Let’s make it even and then we can see. Let’s say we take half of the multi-million/billion dollar companies that are owned by whites and give them to blacks. Then we can structure something in black communities where they know success is in the palm of their hands. All men are created equal yes, but all men do not live equal lives or have equal opportunities. But the way the world is going now..we all will be equal eventually because the younger whites are starting to follow instead of lead into a world that we have lived in for many years..as the world now has its eye on America. The crack and heroine that destroyed our black communities is being equally matched by the drug called ICE in the white community. But I dont blame the generation of today for none of this white or black..For younger blacks of today I blame their parents and the younger whites of today I blame their ancestors..kharma is a you know what.
By Brian
April 11, 2008 10:28 AM | Link to this
Okay first I see it like this..its a whole different setting if we are taking race as a whole. The whole history and even the statistics of today show a very different way of living for blacks as opposed to whites. Young blacks especially males are more prone to either be dead or in jail by the time they reach 25yrs. of age. Where as most whites are born into some type of structure where they know that one day they will be CEO or president of their grandfather’s multi-million/billion dollar company. I mean just take a trip to the prison, then lets go to a majority black community and then lets go to a majority white community..I mean the whole structure is different. Seriously what possibly could a white judge tell his younger white generation stay in line and do whats right and you will inherit your family business.(and just note Im not using individuals but more a statistically analysis on the subject)..We like to say that everything is on a even playing field but in reality its not. Let’s make it even and then we can see. Let’s say we take half of the multi-million/billion dollar companies that are owned by whites and give them to blacks. Then we can structure something in black communities where they know success is in the palm of their hands. All men are created equal yes, but all men do not live equal lives or have equal opportunities. But the way the world is going now..we all will be equal eventually because the younger whites are starting to follow instead of lead into a world that we have lived in for many years..as the world now has its eye on America. The crack and heroine that destroyed our black communities is being equally matched by the drug called ICE in the white community. But I dont blame the generation of today for none of this white or black..For younger blacks of today I blame their parents and the younger whites of today I blame their ancestors..kharma is a you know what.
By You Know Who It Is
April 11, 2008 10:29 AM | Link to this
Although I understand both sides of the issue. The bottom line is that the courts are not filled with Caucasion males. But to make matters worse, something would have been said and done if a caucasion judge removed everyone and spoke with the African American defendants. Someone needs to speak with these kids, Atlanta is turing into the LA of the south real fast. One of the reasons I feel that things are so out of hand in the African community is that we as “African Americans” do not have a base we are not rooted at all. Take the Chinese, Korean’s, Lation’s, “African’s” etc, they still raise their kids and live according to their culture. African Americans truly do not have a culture to associate with that provided a foundation for our existence. We are a diverse culture within a culture.
The only foundation we have is what was passed onto us from our ancestors who were former slaves and that is the fear of God and survival (desperate times causes desperate measures). This is how most of us live today as our parents unless they decided to make a change and break the cycle did not deviate from those slave teachings and the cycle repeats itself. For those of us that did break the cycle we now have a diffrent fight and that is to prove we are still black because we are not “keeping it real”.
Agree or disagree if you want this is my .02
By Brian
April 11, 2008 10:29 AM | Link to this
Okay first I see it like this..its a whole different setting if we are taking race as a whole. The whole history and even the statistics of today show a very different way of living for blacks as opposed to whites. Young blacks especially males are more prone to either be dead or in jail by the time they reach 25yrs. of age. Where as most whites are born into some type of structure where they know that one day they will be CEO or president of their grandfather’s multi-million/billion dollar company. I mean just take a trip to the prison, then lets go to a majority black community and then lets go to a majority white community..I mean the whole structure is different. Seriously what possibly could a white judge tell his younger white generation stay in line and do whats right and you will inherit your family business.(and just note Im not using individuals but more a statistically analysis on the subject)..We like to say that everything is on a even playing field but in reality its not. Let’s make it even and then we can see. Let’s say we take half of the multi-million/billion dollar companies that are owned by whites and give them to blacks. Then we can structure something in black communities where they know success is in the palm of their hands. All men are created equal yes, but all men do not live equal lives or have equal opportunities. But the way the world is going now..we all will be equal eventually because the younger whites are starting to follow instead of lead into a world that we have lived in for many years..as the world now has its eye on America. The crack and heroine that destroyed our black communities is being equally matched by the drug called ICE in the white community. But I dont blame the generation of today for none of this white or black..For younger blacks of today I blame their parents and the younger whites of today I blame their ancestors..kharma is a you know what.
By Russell
April 11, 2008 10:45 AM | Link to this
Even when observing the posts here… it becomes obvious what the sentiment is of young black people… EVEN some black people have this horrific image of US. I see how people look at me when I’m done with my workday (construction), people would say that I look like a crack addict… However, I am drug free, I have no criminal record, other than a few speeding tickets over the years. I speak with a mastery of the kings english, but all people see of me IS my skin. Now, picture a white judge in the same scenario, sending black people away to talk to young white offenders: “Now listen guys, you know that white people have been suffering for years and years, you know that white are experiencing white on white crime and most white people are on crack, and in jail… and not being fathers to their children, the unemployment rate in the white community is %34 so every white man you see is standing on the corner begging or stealing for some crack”
Doesn’t sound right does it…
Well guess what? There are issues that currently plague BLACK people, and have to be dealt with and with a sense of urgency, taking any opportunity you can to speak to underserved, forgotten, and forsaken group, and the people who are in a current state of despair is categorically separated … BLACK Males need to be shown love, and leadership, we are constantly exposed to isolation, and chiding even from our own.
His actions were not appropriate for the courts, as a representative of the people, however I applaud the judge’s decision.
By Borat Obama
April 11, 2008 4:22 PM | Link to this
Black men need to be shown love, understanding, leadership? What a freaking joke Russell. How about how to keep thier dick in thier pants? How about responsibility? How about EARNING a living? How about taking care of your kids? How about the importance of getting an educatin? I don’t have a p****** leader, never had a p****** leader, All I did was take it upon myself to get an education in order to better prepare myself for getting a job. Don’t give me that all they have left crap. I went to a school that was 70% black, yet, STILL went on to succeed, and it wasn’t as if there weren’t the same opportunities at my school for everyone. It’s just that some of us had the willingness to take responsibility, and make something of thse opportunities that were presented. So I say, if you’re black, and can’t make it in this country, too p****** bad and it’s not MY responsibility that you’re to p****** stupid to take hold of all the opportunities available. You want a job? Go out and find one! You don’t need the government to find one for you. Get out there yourself. The best think our government could do for the black community, though, is to completely cut off welfare, housing subsidies, etc. This would then force people to work. Yea, yea, I know there are people that actually need help, such as the elderly, handicapped, etc. BUT, if you CAN work and GET welfare, your azz should be out working, and doing something constructive for your communitiy. Basically, I’m sick of all the ‘I hate whitey”, and “if it weren’t for whitey” talk. Obama 2008.
By AssHat
April 11, 2008 4:30 PM | Link to this
Brian, gotta love it. Every whitey has a family business to inherit as soon as they come of age. Also, every whitey, has everything given to them, and they never have to earn it for themselves. It’s also nice knowing that whitey doesn’t even know the meaning of broken home. Dude, you’re an idiot.
By Hex
April 11, 2008 6:40 PM | Link to this
Shame on atlanta.
By Cindy
April 12, 2008 10:00 AM | Link to this
Entirely too many words up there to even scan with my eyes for highlights.
People, white space is your friend.
Shame on Atlanta, why?
By Sex is wrong
April 12, 2008 11:09 AM | Link to this
did I say shame on atlanta? my bad. I meant shame on macon. Sorry.
By Cindy
April 12, 2008 11:19 AM | Link to this
ah what the heck, i’ll compromise, shame on both of em. 6 of 1, half dozen of the other.
By Sex is wrong
April 12, 2008 11:50 AM | Link to this
Did I say, Shame on Macon? My bad. I meant “Flame-on, Atlanta”. I’m just excited about the new Spiderman movie due this summer. you know, where he goes, “flame-on”, and turns into a human torch to fight evil? I love that character. Isn’t he one of the fantastic four? Lets see, there’s spiderman, tarzan, frankenstein and tonto, right? No wait, that’s the Xmen. A little help here….
By hodapp
April 13, 2008 10:31 AM | Link to this
For gttim- First, racism is racism. It’s my opinion that the judge is racist. And yes he had good intentions but only for the blacks in his courtroom. Second, the “Barbie Bandits” got off with less because the blacks in this case had already had prior arrests. One was the “mastermind” behind it and the other worked at the bank. Black or white or green, they’d have gotten more time and they should have. It has nothing to do with the girls being blonde or pretty or white. The black men in this case had already had their first time offense. If the girls had been blacks, it would have been the same and nobody would have batted an eye.
By Anita
April 13, 2008 10:34 AM | Link to this
His intentions were honorable and appreciated; but if a Black Judge REALLY wants to make an impact, don’t wait until they ARE IN YOUR COURT room to make a statement; schedule time at local schools, especially the ‘alternative locations’ to spend a DAY with the kids to talk about life, expectations and the laws. Visit kids in certain communities who never get to meet professional BLACKS and have dinner with them one-on-one and act a a mentor.
Once you report to work; you are on official duty and your good intentions can be misunderstood and viewed as discrimination. There should not be a disparity of how you treat, talk to or handle yourself in your working capacity.
By Justice For Dummies
April 13, 2008 10:51 AM | Link to this
What if it was a white judge coming down on a black youth, and didn’t clear the courtroom? The NAACP would be there so fast, they wouldn’t know what hit them. I’m so sick of the NAACP. When is the NAAWP going to start sticking up for US? If they did, we’d be considered racists. Blacks separate themselves more than any white possibly could. You have BET, Black Miss America (even tho a black Miss Texas won the “regular” Miss America), NAACP, UNCF, Jet Magazine, black communities, all black colleges, fraternities and sororities, the list goes on. Stop separating yourselves, become part of the community, regardless, be a productive member of society, remove the “black” labels, and things will work more smoothly for EVERYONE. BTW, “African-American” does NOT equal “Black”. There are MANY Africans who are white, and other races. I, for one, am a white African. You are one or the other…African or American. Make a choice.
By Ted
April 13, 2008 10:52 AM | Link to this
Miss Black America, Black History Month, Negro College Fund, Freak Nik “Promoter said on live tv, A chance for all black college kids to come together”, Black Entertainment Television, National Black Chamber Of Commerce. I was thinking black people wanted to stop segregation.
So how can white people think this was a racist move when black people continue to single the black race out everyday ?
I have been saying for years, if black people want to single the black race out please let them.
When you see signs that say Black Restoom, Or Smoking room to the right, White People to the left, Black People straight ahead, Black Drinking Fountian, I can assure you it will not be the white people who do this, it will be the black people who wanted so much to stop this type of segregation.
Really if it was named Miss White America, White History Month, Caucasian College Fund, Honkey Nik, White Entertainment Television, National White Chamber Of Commerce. Im sure they would be nothing said about that other than it was being racist.
By Wendy's bar
April 13, 2008 10:58 AM | Link to this
Long-winded is not a positive attribute, my fine friends.
By Justice For Dummies
April 13, 2008 11:03 AM | Link to this
If it’s too “long-winded” for you to concentrate on, then go on to the next comment. Easy enough?
By Justice For Dummies
April 13, 2008 11:03 AM | Link to this
If it’s too “long-winded” for you to concentrate on, then go on to the next comment. Easy enough?
By Justice For Dummies
April 13, 2008 11:05 AM | Link to this
If it’s too long-winded for your to read or comprehend, skip to a short one to match your attention span. TED…you repeated my comment almost VERBATIM. Why?
By Ted
April 13, 2008 11:12 AM | Link to this
Look at the time, I think we were both typing the samething at the sametime. 1 min apart on the post. Anyway same view yes.
By law dawg
April 13, 2008 11:16 AM | Link to this
We need more judges who are willing to give this sort of chat to youthful offenders. The convicted know that the judge holds a good portion of their future in his hands, and if they are serious about their own wellbeing, they will listen up. It might just save a kid or two.
By Hodapp
April 13, 2008 11:34 AM | Link to this
Ted, I love that you say what most of us are thinking.
By Felix Meddlesom
April 13, 2008 11:38 AM | Link to this
Y-y-yeah! T-t-ted sez what m-m-most of us are th-th-thinkin’
By Corey
April 13, 2008 12:01 PM | Link to this
As a group blacks(born and raised in America)suffer from an inferiority complex. Out of an inferiority complex comes all kinds of ills. Spend time with blacks who migrated here(Caribbean, West Africans, Somalians, Ethiopians etc.) and you will see the stark contrast. In addition, ultra-liberal policies certainly didn’t help. Has anyone noticed that with welfare reform about a decade old now has come a sharp increase in crime in the black community. No, I’m not an advocate for welfare, but it does make one wonder. Peace.
By Timus
April 13, 2008 12:50 PM | Link to this
Judges sit up high and they look down on those in their presence by design. Even when the judge wants to send a message of good intention it’s tough tough to do from their position. By the time these kids wind up in front of the judge most of the time it’s too late to talk to them. I think it was appropriate for Arrington to take this opportunity to speak to them. Did it make the white constituents feel left out? Probably. But the problem with young blacks and crime is bigger than the hurt feelings of a few individuals.
By Fed Up
April 13, 2008 1:44 PM | Link to this
T.I. came by the agency where I work a few weeks ago to speak to the youth in our youth program, and my co-workers questioned why I did not leave my desk to be in his company. I told them that we show up every day, five days a week and sometimes after hours and on weekends because we are dedicated to keeping these young people on the right track. T.I. only came by for an hour because he’s court ordered and trying to stay out of jail, bottom line.