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DEL.ICIO.USMove over Tupperware, here comes the Taser party
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
He bought his wife a Taser shortly after Meredith Emerson was snatched out of the woods and killed.
Firearms, Tim McCoy told me Saturday, are not allowed in national forests. Tasers are.
We’re talking in the kitchen of the Lawrenceville home he shares with Leigh, his wife of 12 years. They had invited me to a party, one with an unusual theme. A Taser party. Think Tupperware party but with Tasers in designer colors like electric blue, black pearl and titanium silver.
It was quite the bash, though no one got liquored up. (Booze wasn’t served, a wise move when you’re hawking stun gun devices. During the party, McCoy let his wife shoot him for demonstration’s sake. More on that later.)
The McCoys decided to become authorized Taser dealers after they purchased two of the devices. They were granted dealership status in February after going through the approval process with Taser International, the manufacturer.
Their business, “Packing Jolt,” was born. Their slogan: “Speak Softly and Carry a Big Shock.”
Civilian tasers and police tasers vary. Shock from the police device lasts four seconds. The blast from the civilian one lasts 30 seconds. That way, the shooter has time to escape to safety. If the shooter presses the “trigger” again, he’ll release another 30-second cycle of electricity. If there’s more than one predator, the others will probably scat after they see their comrade paralyzed, according to the video shown Saturday.
The civilian taser has a 15-foot coil with two barbed probes on the end. The probes hook to the attackers’s clothes, or the skin. So in addition to being blasted with 50,000 volts, an attacker might get hooked like a fish.
“Not as messy as a .357,” quipped Alan Oberlander of Stockbridge. He attended the party with his wife, Vivian, and two kids - Kristle, 19, and Joe, 15.
Oberlander struck me as a no-nonsense guy. You know the type: Deep love for the USA and the right to keep and bear firearms. He bought two Tasers - one for his wife and one for his daughter.
“Just think if those two girls would have had a Taser,” he said, referring to the University of North Carolina and Auburn University co-eds who were recently murdered. :This is better for women who may not feel comfortable carrying guns. But believe me, we got those, too.”
No doubt, Tasers are valuable to civilians and cops. They just need to be deployed wisely.
In May 2004, a Lawrenceville man died in the Gwinnett jail after the authorities shocked him five times. I wrote that local law enforcement agencies should hold off using the devices until research could determine whether they contributed to this man’s death and others in Georgia. A medical examiner’s report concluded the chest shocks didn’t kill him. A heart attack did.
Apparently, Taser International understands the need to draw a line between the infliction of punishment and forced submission. In June 2005, the manufacturer released an advisory warning to law enforcement, saying that repeated and prolonged strikes from its stun gun device may impair breathing and lead to death.
I almost died Saturday after seeing McCoy take a five-second burst. To prepare, he put on an insulated vest and positioned himself so that he’d be struck in the back.
Oberlander did the countdown. “5,4,3,2,1!”
McCoy’s wife pulled the trigger. Zap.
McCoy didn’t drop to his knees, but he buckled a little. Everybody asked the private investigator and AT&T construction lineman if he were OK.
“Pull the probe out!” he yelled. That took a while, but Oberlander finally got it out his back.
Then, I asked the one question everybody wanted to know:
“How did it feel?”
His answer is unprintable. Suffice it to say that McCoy likened the shock to an engine firing up while a spark plug is stuck up a certain part of one’s body.
The basic civilian Taser costs $299; the laser-sighted model sells for $350. Packing Jolt gives Gwinnett residents a break. They get $75 worth of free accessories (holster and extra cartridges) as well as free shipping and delivery. The couple has sold 11 devices so far, including the two Oberlander bought Saturday.
The McCoys feel strongly that Tasers are going to change personal safety, much the way air bags enforced automobile safety. The predator’s job, they say, just got harder.
For more information, visit packingjolt.com or call 678-427-7530. Rick Badie’s column appears on Sundays, Tuesdays and Thursdays. Contact him at 770-263-3875 or e-mail: rbadie@ajc.com.
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By LT5000
March 31, 2008 7:54 PM | Link to this
*In May 2004, a Lawrenceville man died in the Gwinnett jail after the authorities shocked him five times. I wrote that local law enforcement agencies should hold off using the devices until research could determine whether they contributed to this man’s death and others in Georgia. A medical examiner’s report concluded the chest shocks didn’t kill him. A heart attack did. *
Uh Rick.
You certainly did a soft sell on the Taser story you wrote. I believe it was called “So Tasers Don’t Kill?”.
Certainly sounds like you were blaming Tasers to me. Then you actually opined that Law Enforcement must think you are stupid to think that the Tasers had nothing to do with the man’s death.
Like most AJC “journalists” you jumped the gun and were proven wrong.
For people who would like to know what Rick really said.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DefenseFund/message/129
LT5000
By Cindy
March 31, 2008 8:24 PM | Link to this
It’s pretty damning there Rick. LT5000, you had to out him, huh? :)
LT have you ever seen that email story about the guy who gets a taser and curiosity gets the best of him?
By LT5000
March 31, 2008 8:42 PM | Link to this
Cindy,
You know me.
I stand for Truth Justice and the American Way. With a dash of Don Rickles thrown in.
LT5000
By Cindy
March 31, 2008 8:59 PM | Link to this
Ha. Yep. But you didn’t answer my last question…
By Elan Moon
March 31, 2008 9:06 PM | Link to this
The author seems like he has come around to the life saving qualities of Taser technology. Many want to blame Tasers for death but there is always another reason that someone died. A Taser has never killed anyone and at least 70 law firms have tried to prove otherwise and Taser is 70 to ZERO. Many departments report 60% reductions in injuries. Good story, thanks.
By Cindy
March 31, 2008 9:18 PM | Link to this
I’m going to have to direct El Bubba to this thread with us…he loves a good taser debate.
By LT5000
March 31, 2008 9:25 PM | Link to this
Cindy,
There are too many videos out there involving people with tasers, you have to be more specific.
LT5000
By Leigh
March 31, 2008 9:33 PM | Link to this
Good article Rick. Thanks for coming to our Party!
By Cindy
March 31, 2008 9:33 PM | Link to this
oh. it wasn’t a video…but a story. I’m gonna try to find it for you. It’s funny.
By Lee
March 31, 2008 9:34 PM | Link to this
Hell, I can’t remember to change the batteries on the smoke detectors once a year. Imagine my surprise when I throw down on the bad guy with my trusty Tazer, pull the trigger, and the thing goes bsst.
But hey, if you’re uncomfortable carrying a gun, this might not be a bad alternative.
By Cindy
March 31, 2008 9:38 PM | Link to this
Rick sorry to take up so much room in your blog…but I gotta share this…
My First Taser Experience (make that ONLY)… MY words… LOL…
My wife is fond of saying that my last words on this earth will be something akin to “Well, I have out-done myself once again.” No doubt you will see this true story chronicled in a Lifetime movie in the near future. Here goes…
Last weekend I spied something at the pawnshop that tickled my fancy. (Note: Keep in mind that my “fancy” is easily tickled). I bought something really cool for my wife. The occasion was our 18th anniversary and I was looking for a little something extra for my sweet girl.
What I came across was a 100,000-volt, pocket/purse-sized Taser gun with a clip. For those of you who are not familiar with this product, it is a less-than-lethal stun gun with two metal prongs designed to incapacitate an assailant with a shock of high-voltage, low amperage electricity while you flee to safety. The effects are supposed to be short lived with no long-term adverse affect on your assailant, but allowing you adequate time to retreat to safety. You simply jab the prongs into your 250 lb. tattooed assailant, push the button, and it will render him a slobbering, goggle-eyed, muscle twitching, whimpering, pencil-neck geek. If you’ve never seen one of these things in action, then you’re truly missing out—way too cool!
Long story short, I bought the device and brought it home. I loaded two AAA batteries in the darn thing and pushed the button. Nothing! I was so disappointed. Upon reading the directions (we don’t need no stinkin’ directions) I found much to my chagrin that this particular model would not create an arc between the prongs. How disappointing! I do love fire for effect. I learned that if I pushed the button, however, and pressed it against a metal surface that I’d get the blue arch of electricity darting back and forth between the prongs that I was so looking forward to. I did so. Awesome! Sparks, a blue arc of electricity, and a loud pop! Yipeeeeee! I’m easily amused, just for your information, but I have yet to explain to her what that burn spot on the face of her microwave is.
Okay, so I was home alone with this new toy, thinking to myself that it couldn’t be all that bad with only two AAA batteries, etc. etc. There I sat in my recliner, my dog looking on intently (trusting little soul), reading the directions (that would be me, not the dog) and thinking that I really needed to try this thing out on a flesh and blood target.
I must admit I thought about zapping the dog for a fraction of a second and thought better of it. He is such a sweet pup, after all. But, if I was going to give this thing to my wife to protect herself against a mugger, I did want some assurance that it would work as advertised. Am I wrong? Was I wrong to think that? It seemed reasonable to me at the time.
So, there I sat in a pair of shorts and a tank top with my glasses perched delicately on the bridge of my nose, directions in one hand, Taser in the other. The directions said that a one-second burst would shock and disorient your assailant; a two-second burst was supposed to cause muscle spasms and a loss of bodily control; a three-second burst would purportedly make your assailant flop on the ground like a fish out of water.
All the while I’m looking at this little device (measuring about 5” long, less than 3/4 inch in circumference, pretty cute really, and loaded with two itsy bitsy AAA batteries) thinking to myself, “No friggin’ way!”
Friggin’ way - trust me, but I’m getting ahead of myself. What happened next is almost beyond description, but I’ll do my best. Those of you who know me well have got a pretty good idea of what followed. I’m sitting there alone, the dog looking on with his head cocked to one side as to say, “Don’t do it buddy,” reasoning that a one-second burst from such a tiny lil’ ole thing couldn’t hurt all that bad (sound, rational thinking under the circumstances, wouldn’t you agree?).
I decided to give myself a one-second burst just for the hell of it. (Note: You know, a bad decision is like hindsight— always 20-20. It is so obvious that it was a bad decision after the fact, even though it seemed so right at the time. Don’t ya just hate that?)
I touched the prongs to my naked thigh, pushed the button, and HOLY*! DAaaaauuuuuuMN!!! I’m pretty sure that Jessie Ventura ran in through the front door, picked me up out of that recliner, and then body slammed me on the carpet over and over again. I vaguely recall waking up on my side in the fetal position, nipples on fire, testicles nowhere to be found, soaking wet, with my left arm tucked under my body in the oddest position. The dog was standing over me making sounds I had never heard before, licking my face, undoubtedly thinking to himself, “Do it again, do it again!”
(NOTE: If you ever feel compelled to mug yourself with a Taser, one note of caution. There is no such thing as a one-second burst when you zap yourself. You’re not going to let go of that thing until it is dislodged from your hand by a violent thrashing about on the floor. Then, if you’re lucky, you won’t lodge one of the prongs 1/4” deep into your thigh like yours truly.)
SON-OF-A-* that hurt! A minute or so later (I can’t be sure, as time was a relative thing at this point), I collected my wits (what little I had left), sat up and surveyed the landscape.
My glasses were on the TV across the room. How did they get there??? My triceps, right thigh and both nipples were still twitching. My face felt like it had been shot up with Novocain, and my bottom lip weighed 88 lbs. give or take an ounce or two, I’m pretty sure.
By the way, has anyone seen my testicles? I think they ran away. I’m offering a reward. They’re round, kinda hairy, and handsome if I must say so myself. Miss ‘em; sure would like to get ‘em back.
Never Touchin’ the Taser Again!
By Tim
March 31, 2008 9:46 PM | Link to this
Lee- The C2 is a good alternative to a handgun. Not only does it have a better instant stopping record than any handgun round, it is less than lethal. It is like a remote controlled ball bat. The batteries have a 10 year shelf life & good for 50 firing cycles. Much lighter than a handgun too.
By LT5000
March 31, 2008 10:15 PM | Link to this
Cindy,
http://www.snopes.com/humor/follies/taser.asp
I always Snopes these email stories.
LT5000
By Bruce Wilcox
March 31, 2008 10:22 PM | Link to this
Four have died in the past couple of years in Gwinnett by so called trained deputies using the stun guns. Now we have parties for the untrained to be let loose on the streets armed with Tasers.
I have a permit to carry a handgun, which I usually do, but the Taser Brigade doesn’t need any?
Only in Georgia would this make sense.
About those deaths in Gwinnett, remember who invested them, Butch and Porter, gee wonder why nothing happened.
By Cindy
March 31, 2008 10:25 PM | Link to this
LT5000!!! Don’t be a party pooper! It doesn’t matter that it’s a big fat lie…it’s funny. What am I gonna do with you? You gotta let loose a little…gotta have some fun. And no that doesn’t mean to start about the sheriff…that’s not fun to me. :)
By Cindy
March 31, 2008 10:31 PM | Link to this
Dang Bruce, You beat me by 3 minutes…thought I was gonna head off the sheriff thing…you beat me to it though. :)
By Dana Shafman
April 1, 2008 1:26 AM | Link to this
Thanks for keeping my drive alive, McCoys! I’ll look forward to attending “your” TASER Party when in Atlanta at the end of April. Contact me at http://www.shieldher.net if you want to attend!
Best of Luck!
Regards,
Dana Shafman (TASER Party Creator)
By Maxine
April 1, 2008 7:57 AM | Link to this
Rick,
Herein lies the problem with today’s society…no accountability. You sound like a car salesman with your positive spin on Tasers…funny though, I missed the part in between you bashing the device and those who use is to save lives in the past and your belief in that device for women today.
You are worse than a politician sir…I believe the offer was extended to you to feel the shock after your article on officers killing suspects….put your money where your mouth is…or find something you can support with your history to write about.
Disgusting
Oh yea…”conspiracy theory Wilcox”, I’d zap you too you whiner. The grand jury closed that case, not Porter or Conway. They are the ones that invested in them…nice post crybaby.
By Coincidently Oxbow
April 1, 2008 8:39 AM | Link to this
I pray at night before bed that someone will come at me with a taser. (not a cop). I want for someone to weild a taser while he approaches me (minding me own biz), because he’s mistaken me for someone else, or he perceives me as a threat because he’s unstable, or he simply chose me to test out his new taser on. I want this so much, that I can hardly stand it.
Go ‘head. Taze me.
Taze me. Juice me. Faze me. Goose me.
Taze me.
By LT5000
April 1, 2008 8:51 AM | Link to this
Brucie and Rick always smell a conspiracy. Of course, they are always proven wrong.
I hope they know that Sheriff Butch and Porter aren’t Coroners and didn’t perform the autopsies.
A smart person, Rick and Brucie excluded, wouldn’t make accusations without evidence.
LT5000
By Stan
April 1, 2008 9:10 AM | Link to this
Law enforcement should NOT be allowed to use tasers!!! They do kill people.
When someone resists, shoot them!
Stan
By Mark
April 1, 2008 9:43 AM | Link to this
Cindy
I read that story somewhre on the internet too.
By Cindy
April 1, 2008 10:12 AM | Link to this
lt, did you just say something nice about conway? :)
By AHermitt
April 1, 2008 10:13 AM | Link to this
His answer was unprintable hah!
There is one problem with the sales pitch. Once predators are aware of the fact that a taser gun will only taser one person, then the likelihood that accomplices will not flee but will be more likely to attack and injure.
By Earl
April 1, 2008 10:22 AM | Link to this
I’ll stick to my GLOCK or Kimmer, I don’t shoot to shock. I shoot to kill.
By Leigh
April 1, 2008 11:23 AM | Link to this
AHermitt…that is one part of the article that is not accurate. Once the TASER C2 has been used at a distance it still operates as a conventional stun gun even when the first assailant is already on the ground. It would be easier to take a chain saw away from a person than a TASER C2.
By PoliticalMan
April 1, 2008 12:17 PM | Link to this
Walking around with a taser on one’s hip - what a life. So how do you know someone is up to no good. Do you draw down whenever gets within 30 ft? Whenever anyone passes you on a trail, you threaten them with a taser staring them in the face? How cool.
By Bruce Wilcox
April 1, 2008 12:43 PM | Link to this
Maxine you dip, the grand jury never seen the tape of the gentleman, cuffed, shackled and with five brave deputies sitting atop him zapping the guy. Porters excuse, the jury didn’t ask to see it? That is about as much competence as fearless leader bush, you lemming.
By Bruce Wilcox
April 1, 2008 12:49 PM | Link to this
I never said anything about a conspiracy, I just like to point out incompetence in government, it just happens to be so easy in Gwinnett County. Thankfully Maxine, it’s people like you that keep voting them in and giving me all this material.
By LT5000
April 1, 2008 1:17 PM | Link to this
Brucie,
Everyone here knows you will lie to make your moronic points.
*The Grand Jury chose not to watch the videotape. *
Apparently, they had enough evidence to know that the officers should not be indicted.
Take your lies and your ignorance elsewhere Brucie, because I will always be here to give the facts. Something you do not rely on.
http://www.11alive.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=62415
LT5000
By Bruce Wilcox
April 1, 2008 1:46 PM | Link to this
So LT, now the grand jury decides what evidence it wants to see?
Do you feel he received a fair trail when the evidence that would have caused the greatest damage to Porters case wasn’t viewed?
Does Porter or the Janitor run the grand jury? How could this bunch of yahoo’s, selected from Gwinnett, have any clue or idea what was on the tape?
So let’s go back to incompetence, Porter cannot present evidence well and lets the grand jury dictate what will be seen or not seen. Or Porter said something like, “Hey we can wrap this up by noon if we skip the tape, lunch is one me”.
It’s laughable that a grand jury tells Porter how a courtroom will be run. Incompetence, I’m sure he has your vote LT.
By LT5000
April 1, 2008 2:13 PM | Link to this
Bruce,
Maybe the Grand Jury should have just called you.
Oh wait, they operate on facts and evidence. Something you can never provide.
You are truly an idiot. You seem to think Porter is some Mafioso pulling the strings of the Grand Jury.
Once again I will state that the Grand Jury obviously saw enough evidence to know the officers conducted themselves in a proper manner.
Oh yeah, the DOJ also thought there was insufficient evidence as well.. Are they under Porter’s thumb too?
http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/gan/press/2005/09-27-2005b.html
Brucie, I suggest anytime you want to post anything on a blog you taze yourself.
Certainly it has to be less painful than having your ignorance pointed out again and again and again.
LT5000
By Bruce Wilcox
April 1, 2008 3:29 PM | Link to this
“could not prove beyond a reasonable doubt at trial that any law enforcement officer willfully deprived Mr. Williams of his Constitutional rights,” the incompetence of Porter, the jurers and the deputies wasn’t addressed, it was about violation on his Constitutional Rights.
The Attorney addressed the incompetence of the deputies below…U.S. Attorney Nahmias also noted that on June 28, 2005, Taser International issued a revised training bulletin, No. 12.0-04, which cautions taser users to “avoid prolonged, extended, uninterrupted discharges or extensive multiple discharges whenever practicable in order to minimize the potential for over-exertion of the subject or potential impairment of full ability to breathe over a protracted time period,” particularly when the taser is used on persons suffering from “excited delirium.”
Now with trained Gwinnett deputies zapping people to death, we are allowing the same Gwinnett type jurers to have them they were not smart enough to watch the tape.
By Jocko
April 1, 2008 3:51 PM | Link to this
PoliticalMan You can always depend on 911. If needed Gwinnett deputies should be right there to do the zapping for you.
By LT5000
April 1, 2008 4:54 PM | Link to this
Uh Brucie,
At no point was any wrongdoing by the officer alleged, except by the perps widow.
The DOJ found no evidence for an indictment just like the grand jury.
You seem to filling in a lot of blanks there with your own allegations and terminology. Not unexpected from someone like yourself.
You will make up the facts to fit you meme.
Now Bruce, here is my training bulletin for you.
I advise you to spend less time on your knees in the restroom of the local truck stop.
You seem to be suffering from chronic stupidity aggravated by acute moron-ism.
LT5000
By maxine
April 1, 2008 7:12 PM | Link to this
Mr. Wilcox, Once again you display yourself as a whiner without cause for your point of view so you continue to make up stuff to support for your moronic points. I voted neither for Porter or Conway you hussy…
Additonally, people like you whined when Porter sought not to prosecute the five deputies holding the shackled, handcuffed, oh..you forgot violent piece of crap with no respect for the law, down and zapped him…your blessed right they did. Instead, he convenes a grand jury who care not to see the tape…I surmise that you didn’t sit on the jury so for you to call them incompetent is as ingnorant as you are…they didn’t indict, now that’s not good enough either. The feds directed their comments to the Taser itself, not the deputies…but you seem to be able to magically link the two of them over there in bizarro world where you live.
Find yourself an outlet where your opinion is respected…this ain’t it. I equate you to the Katrina sponges who have to find someone to blame regardless if they are culpable or not….
Your still a crybaby my friend….point not taken.
By Bruce Wilcox
April 1, 2008 9:12 PM | Link to this
Now, now Maxine, don’t get yourself all huffed up. The point, which you and your sister LT seem to miss is the fact that supposed well trained deputies, didn’t just kill one shackled and handcuffed prisoner, but three others as well. Come to think of it, one of those well trained deputies just happened to be at two of the deaths, strange indeed.
Now if well trained deputies just happen to use Tasers and four people die, I realize for some it may be a gard connection to make, we now allow untrained, people who make up Gwinnett juries, to arm themselves with the Tasers.
I need a permit for my pistol, yet to carry a Taser, which would seem to be a deadly weapon even in the hands of well trained in this county, do not?
The person in question was not a violent man without respect for the law, he was out of control because he was off his medication. Now I would hate to think you’re one of those people who feel that anyone that has a disability or a defect should be put to death, are you?
As far as the jury and the DA, I think both were incompetent and ignorant by not reviewing all evidence. Maybe it’s Southern juries that can decide who is guilty or innocent before entering the courtroom, maybe “To Kill a Mockingbird” isn’t that far off.
By LT5000
April 1, 2008 9:34 PM | Link to this
Brucie,
The deputies killed the man? Did they inject him with special KGB heart attack medication?
Since they killed him I expect there to be murder charges. Another episode of Brucie ME bites the dust.
But wait, the DOJ and Grand Jury found no evidence that these deputies did anything wrong.
Must be those ignorant Southerners again right Brucie?
Bruce gets smacked down again, so he has to break out the old hackneyed cliche of “To Kill a Mockingbird”.
Well Bruce, you certainly do resemble Boo Radley here. At least in the respect that you always seem to have candy for little boys.
LT5000
By Cindy
April 2, 2008 8:22 AM | Link to this
hmmm. refeshing to see all my fella’s are getting along nicely this week and discussing Badie’s latest blog, all mannerly and all…NOT.
anyway, hey. that’s all I have to say about that…for now.
By Maxine
April 2, 2008 9:15 AM | Link to this
Mr. Wilcox,
The person in question was not a violent man without respect for the law, he was out of control because he was off his medication. Now I would hate to think you’re one of those people who feel that anyone that has a disability or a defect should be put to death, are you?
Are you a moron? So, it is now the responsibility for the GCSO and GCPD to make sure perps are medicated? Whose fault is it that he was off his medication Bruce? How were the deputies, who were not at the scene with the suspect’s family, supposed to know his irrational behavior was an oversight by him and his family to medicate him? The information that they had at the time was that he had assaulted an officer and attempted to remove a weapon from him….should they have run a medical question and answer session with him while he was trying to harm them?
Again…accountability. He or his grieving money hungry widow should have ensured he was taking his meds before beating his wife and children and defying the law….but I know…I know…we have to blame someone other than the source of the problem right???
Your a genius my friend.
By Maxine
April 2, 2008 9:32 AM | Link to this
Oh yea…you keep saying they killed Williams and three other people…funny how your opinions differ from the legislative authorities in place on the local and Federal level. My understanding is that none of them have served or will serve a day in jail for it…it’s called innocent until proven guilty…for example…I thought you were ignorant, but you’ve now proved it.
Next time I get a ticket…I’m opting for a bench trial in the State of Bruce…
By PoliticalMan
April 2, 2008 11:00 AM | Link to this
Jocko, you will have your taser drawn and ready whenever anyone gets close to you, right?
By Mark
April 2, 2008 11:16 AM | Link to this
I don’t carry a taser because it makes no sense carrying a glock AND a taser. And I don’t call 911…
By Bruce Wilcox
April 2, 2008 11:56 AM | Link to this
Maxine, I’m going to write this real slow, maybe it will help you understand better.
This is a quote from you…”you forgot violent piece of crap with no respect for the law, down and zapped him…”? Now if you read anything about the story, quite the opposite was true, but truth is not really one of your strong points is it Maxine? If you were Nurse Maxine would you taser those who didn’t take their meds under your watch?
Now riddle me this Maxine, if the deputies can get control of him at the house, to get him in the patrol car to drive to the jail, what caused the incident to blow up at the jail? A deputy with a icthy taser finger?
When and where did this supposed training break down? Incompetence, comes to mind.
“your opinions differ from the legislative authorities in place on the local and Federal level”, you think?
Maxine, you’re the type that would believe waterboarding is an acceptable use of torture, if the party told you it was.
A bench trial in the State of Bruce, yes, even you Maxine would get a fair trial.
By Mark
April 2, 2008 12:08 PM | Link to this
Bruce
Waterboarding IS an acceptable use of torture. Comparable to beheading tho..
By Bruce Wilcox
April 2, 2008 12:23 PM | Link to this
The problem with beheading is that they don’t talk much afterwards.
By LT5000
April 2, 2008 1:04 PM | Link to this
Here I am to straighten out our resident dumbass Brucie.
”you forgot violent piece of crap with no respect for the law, down and zapped him…”? Now if you read anything about the story, quite the opposite was true, but truth is not really one of your strong points is it Maxine
From the news story:
*Williams’ widow, Yanga Williams, said he was in a rage when she called officers to her home last May. She says her husband’s violent behavior was due to his failure to take medication for epilepsy. *
Hmmm. Even his wife admitted he was violent.
From Ignorant Bruce:
if the deputies can get control of him at the house, to get him in the patrol car to drive to the jail, what caused the incident to blow up at the jail?
From the news story:
*The video, taken by the Gwinnett County Sheriff’s Department and obtained by 11Alive News, shows Williams struggling as deputies tried to remove the handcuffs and place him in a restraint chair. *
Yes people, Bruce is certifiably an idiot. He will spew his bilge and not rely on any facts to back it up.
Bruce is lucky stupidity isn’t a crime. He would be tazed every hour on the hour. However, someone should notify him that his nocturnal activities in the parking lot of The Love Shack are illegal
LT5000
By Mark
April 2, 2008 1:24 PM | Link to this
Waterboarding is an effective way to get info from the enemy. I totally stand behind it. We’re in wartime.
By Bruce Wilcox
April 2, 2008 1:37 PM | Link to this
Sorry Mark, but when John McCain, who was an actual POW considers it torture, I have to believe someone who’s been there done that. Plus what we do to them, they’ll do to us.
By Mark
April 2, 2008 1:51 PM | Link to this
bruce
Basing your opinion on what someone else says is a cop out.
BTW, they already are doing worse to us. Where do you get your current events news from??
By Cindy
April 2, 2008 2:14 PM | Link to this
Basing your opinion on what someone else says isn’t always a cop out…more in the category of “beliefs”? We hear things and sometimes adopt them into our own belief system, right? It is however our own duty to first research and verify that it is factual.
By Bruce Wilcox
April 2, 2008 2:29 PM | Link to this
Based on proven research Mark, torture really isn’t all that effective. Most people who are tortured will tell you anything you want, if it’s true or not. You may waste time on wide goose chases. Research it, don’t rely on me.
The dude we waterboarded told us a lot, but it had already happened? By the time we finally captured him anything said was just old news.
Maybe it will be put to use at his trail? Better yet, sent him over to the Gwinnett county jail, then a jury can decide if the deputies were guilty putting him down, boom, case closed.
After five years as a POW I consider John McCain an expert.
By Mark
April 2, 2008 2:55 PM | Link to this
Bruce Wilcox
www.dictionary.com
By Bruce Wilcox
April 2, 2008 3:11 PM | Link to this
Great come-back, yawn.
By Mark
April 2, 2008 3:22 PM | Link to this
Bruce Wilcox
It wasn’t meant as a comeback. I was merely letting you know that you must research as well before posting. Noone will take you seriously if you can’t spell.
By Jocko
April 2, 2008 3:34 PM | Link to this
PoliticalMan- I will have my taser drawn as often as you dail 911. I’m sure the outcome will be the same.We can let the deputies be responsible for our personal safety- they seem to have it down pat.
By LT5000
April 2, 2008 4:48 PM | Link to this
Bruce should ask Khalid Sheik Mohammed how effective waterboarding was.
I believe he held out for a whole two minutes.
Now Bruce automatically assumes he knows everything the CIA knows through their waterboarding interrogations.
I don’t take it as torture, but I do think it is an effective interrogation technique. I can only imagine the volumes of useful information it has provided.
I trust the CIA a hell of a lot more than I trust Brucie on this issue. If I ever need to know the secret to making a public fool of myself, I will consult Brucie.
LT5000
By Maxine
April 3, 2008 8:18 AM | Link to this
Bruce,
I don’t know how else to explain this to you other than to get a box or crayons and draw you a picture…
Your analogy about the nurse…are you serious? Nurses have an obligation to medicate patients…it’s a service the patients pay for….family members have an obligation to medicate their loved ones, especially if they know they become violent….let me ask you this, is the patient trying to hurt the nurse and is she a LEO??? Oranges and Apples idiot but nice try.
I will bet everything I own to tell you I know more about this case than any person walking this earth…hands down. Again, your facts are wrong. The GCPD controlled him at the house, about 10 of them…the officer was required to run to the jail with lights and sirens because Williams was bouncing off the cage…and he didn’t enter the jail peacefully…he had to be carried in…so in answer to your (again) stupid question…the person that caused the blow up at the jail was Williams. Period.
I believe what I choose to believe…I don’t misconstrue facts and circumstances to render my opinion unlike yourself…but now that you ask…I absolutely believe in torturing terrorists for information…this isn’t the sandbox you tree hugger…I wonder what you would want an authority to do to a person if they abducted your family with hours to live and he didn’t want to disclose their location…
Stop policing my belief system and try to focus on the facts you blind moron…..
Nurse Maxine….
By LT5000
April 3, 2008 8:40 AM | Link to this
Maxine,
If you have ever seen Brucie’s posts on previous blogs, you will know making up “facts” to support his moronic positions is his Modus Operandi.
It actually appears to be pathological. I think he truly believes what he writes even after I, gladly, point out his misrepresentations.
By the way, everyone should go back and read Badie previous blog about the tasers.
It made Bruce seem almost coherent. Rick tried to do a soft sell in this blog, but I was able to find the link to his previous writings “So Tasers Don’t Kill”.
By the way, now the Dekalb police want to use tasers do to the high number of fatal police shootings. I expect Bruce and Badie to have a two man protest in front of City Hall.
LT5000
By CandlestickMaker
April 3, 2008 9:22 AM | Link to this
Taze Me. Juice Me. Daze Me. Goose Me.
Taze Me!
By reader
April 3, 2008 10:37 AM | Link to this
Anyone hear about the 14 y/o kid from CT who created a home made stun gun from a disposable camera? Kids are certainly inventive. Unfortunately for him, he made the poor choice to bring it to school and has been charged with attempted assault.
By Bob Carle
April 11, 2008 2:59 PM | Link to this
Pretty nasty bunch on this thread rom the anti taser crowd.. I hope none of you own guns or tasers…..