UPDATED: 2:42 p.m. February 20, 2008
Ga.'s quest to move Tenn. border advances


The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 02/20/08

Georgia's battle to tap into the Tennessee River by re-visiting a centuries-old border survey passed both chambers of the Georgia General Assembly Wednesday.

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The Georgia Senate unanimously passed a resolution to pursue a claim that the south side of the river —at least— belongs to Georgia. The Georgia House passed a companion resolution, though with some dissent. House members approved the measure by a 136 to 26 vote.

State Rep. Harry Geisinger (R-Roswell), sponsor of the House resolution fielded questions from lawmakers skeptical that revisiting an ancient dispute is worth the effort. One asked what would happen in the state of Tennessee ignored Georgia's claim.

"I think we may find ourselves in court and I think we will have a strong position," Geisinger said.

In the Senate, lawmakers broke into a rendition of "This Land is My Land," as Sen. David Shafer (R-Duluth) stood up to speak. Shafer introduced the resolution, which has been mocked by Tennessee lawmakers and scoffed at by some folks who live in the small border towns that would be affected.

Lawmakers want to fix a problem caused by an inaccurate land survey from 1818 that improperly marked the Tennessee-Georgia border south of where it should be. Shafer's resolution would establish Georgia's real northern boundary about a mile farther north into what is now Tennessee —giving Georgia access to the massive Tennessee River.

"The boundary of the state is the boundary of the state and can only be changed by acts of the Tennessee and Georgia legislatures and of the U.S. Congress, " Shafer said. "It cannot be changed by a mathematician with a faulty compass."

"Do the math," Shafer said, "There's more Georgia water in the Tennessee River than there is in our own Chattahoochee."

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[Above] A post marked by the Tennessee Valley Authority to draw lines of the borders of Alabama, Georgia and Tennessee. [Below] Tennessee River.

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By FXM

Apr 10, 2008 8:37 PM | Link to this

Let me mention something to everyone in Tennessee. I live in Tennessee, and I thought that Georgia's resolution was a complete joke. BUT, I've learned a lot more about their plans since that day.
Lets get one thing straight.....The border dispute is a SMOKESCREEN! Georgia legislators did that on purpose. They knew that Tennessee would spit in their face and laugh at them......but those GA legislators are smarter than we Tennesseans think.
This is what's going to happen:
First of all, the TVA is a Federal agency (or Corporation, if you will). It is NOT controlled by Tennessee. Second of all, there is a federal law that says that if a state borders on TVA property, the TVA can determine if that state can build structures (like a pipeline) on the TVA-controlled property. WELL, guess what? The TVA controls property between the CURRENT border of Georgia, and the Tennessee River. So, what does that mean? It means that Georgia is lobbying heavily with the TVA to give them permission to build a pipeline over TVA-controlled property from the GA border to the Tennessee River.
All the while, the Tennessee Legislature will be blindsided by the TVA's decision to let it happen.

Mark my words, folks. The Tennessee Legislature is gonna be caught "asleep at the wheel"!

You heard it here first.....and your comments are welcomed.

By Lloyd

Mar 11, 2008 10:02 AM | Link to this

LETS LOOK AT THIS AT DIFFERENT ANGLE. I BEING A NO. GEORGIA RESIDENT DON'T THINK WE SHOULD TRY TO CORRECT THE PROBLEM OF THE BORDER OVER SOMETHING AS VILE AS THIS RIVER (CHATTA. DUMPS RAW SEWAGE IN IT). THIS BORDER WAR AS YOU CALL IT SHOULD BE FIXED. WHAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND IS WHY IS IT THAT 80% OF CARS IN NO. GA.'S SHOPPING CENTERS ARE FROM HAMILTON CO. COULD IT BE THE TAX FREE FOOD!!! OR JUST LOWER TAXES ALL AROUND. I BET THAT 1/2 OF ALL RESPONCES ON THIS PAGE SHOP IN ROSSVILLE OR FT. OGLETHORPE. OH I KNOW IM WRONG...I'D LIKE TO SEE TOLLL BOTHES SET UP ON 75 & 59 AND CHARGE TN. PEOPLE A WATER TAX WHEN YOU GO ON VACATION IN FLA. MAYBE TN. COULD DO THAT ON 24 & 75 BUT THERES NO A LOT OF PEOPLE VACATION IN THE NORTH.

By Jeremy

Mar 8, 2008 11:29 PM | Link to this

Ok georgia, lets see if I have all of this correct, First you build a major u.s. city and you build it on top of a piece of land that will not support it, next you say wait a minute lets go get water from TN, but instead of asking for it by saying do you care if we put in an emergency pipe line to the TN river only to be used in extreme water conditions and work out an agreement you say hey lets just take the land and all the people of TN living in that area and then we will take there water! Give me a break you dumb@$$es! Here is an idea for TN to do, lets build dams on both sides of streth of the river that georgia wants, reconnect them with a pipe line system in and on TN SOIL and let the thing go dry. As a resident of East Ridge if georgia keeps trying to take our land than I will slap a lawsuit on the state of georgia and yes if the lady can get 7 million from the hot cup of java spilling on her from McDs than I should have no problem getting plenty of that high dollar georgia money that the residents of georgia pay in everyear and if I were a resident of GA, I would want my tax dollars spent in a way of NOT WAISTING THE MONEY! GO VOLS

By puh-lease.

Mar 4, 2008 9:31 PM | Link to this

cant you say something better than calling a state a fat @$$? haha

By steve

Mar 4, 2008 3:00 PM | Link to this

What is going to end up happening is that the current border is going to be rcognized as the legal border with the U.S. government because since 1818 both states have agreed that the current border is the real border. Because whether GA likes it or not they are not the only entity on Earth. Basically what this is like is when there are two kids with candy. The fat @$$ (GA) eats all of theirs first and then thinks they can take the other kids candy.

By Aaron

Feb 29, 2008 9:09 PM | Link to this

As a resident and taxpayer of N.E. GA I wish my tax dollars were spent in a more practical manner. "Faulty 1818 survey" give me a break. I have an idea, lets give the land back to the Native American's too. That would be more plausible. Get a grip Georgia! Don't worry TN with the high taxes and cost of living many of us JAW JUNS will be heading North.

By Mary

Feb 27, 2008 3:40 PM | Link to this

Moving the border between TN & GA will not just benefit Atlanta as most of you continue to use as a focal point. North GA is also and has been in a drought situation for the last 2 year. We in N GA would not want to be a resident of TN either but that is not the issue here. The only issue that should be in the fore front is where the border was to be in the first place which is the 35th parallel.Also, the so called PROCLAMATION by Mayor Ron Littlefield of Chattanooga which proclaimed 2/27/08 "Give our Georgia Friends a Drink Day" using exerts from Biblical verses was a disgrace and not at all funny to the residents of GA. As they say "What goes around comes around". TN may one day be struck by drought conditions or feel the anger of their prescious Tennessee River when it's bank overflow because of torrential rains and flooding.

By Tim

Feb 27, 2008 10:40 AM | Link to this

So what happens when Atlanta drains the Tennessee River dry? Does Georgia look for a way to get to the Ohio then?

Look - Atlanta simply has reached and exceded its natural capacity for growth. It is out of water and should not be allowed and ABSOLUTELY cannot be encouraged to drain the other areas of the region dry to satisfy its insatiable thirst.

This day had to come for Atlanta. Do not doom the rest of the region to prop up Atlanata growth. It is a foolish, losing proposition. It is a short-term fix that cannot alter the long-term end result. The growth must begin to go elsewhere.

By Bradley

Feb 27, 2008 12:55 AM | Link to this

So, in other words, Georgia (read: Atlanta) can drain another water system of its resources and then ***** when the water runs out or try to take more than it deserves, i.e. the Chattahoochee? I hope Tennessee keeps the river. Contain yourself Georgia.

By Rockl

Feb 26, 2008 2:28 PM | Link to this


Bob,

You asked some interesting questions and I am happy to share my thoughts and opinions in addressing them. Keep in mind however, that we are not discussing "redefining" the GA-TN border; we are discussing correcting the currently observed state-line to the 35th parallel, which is the existing border as defined by the US government.

1. If Georgia is successful, part of Memphis will become part of Mississippi. What people in Georgia fail to understand is that this stunt, if successful, would redefine borders for several states. What say you?

Response: The Tennessee - Mississippi state line south of Memphis is currently located only a third of a mile or so inside MS. It seems very likely that the MS state government would agree to change the legaly defined border to reflect the current state-line, 1/3 mile south of the 35th parallel. Alabama would likely agree to give the mismarked territory to TN as well, unless the area possesses resources that the state needs.

2. People living in TN would become citizens of Georgia. Some do not wish to do this, in large part due to GA's tax policy. TN is cheaper living. Are you okay with the idea of forcing people to become part of another state?

Response: It is unfortunate that correcting the state-line will affect so many people, most of which are in the Chattanooga area. However, the majority of the 73-mile section in question is uninhabited forest, with the exception of a 15 mile area between Lookout Mountain and Hwy 321. In my opinion, the most feasible solution is for Georgia to relinquish this limited populated area to TN.

3. You mention that GA has attempted to resolve this. However, would it be correct to say that, for nearly 200 years, GA has NEVER taken this to the Supreme Court? Thus, for 200 years, GA evidentally didn't have too big of a problem with it, since it never truly pursued it. You know as well as I do that TN is under no obligation to cooperate simply because GA asks them to. For 200 years, GA sat idly by. Sorry, that doesn't cut it in my book.

Response: You make a valid point about Georgia not pursuing the issue all the way to the US Supreme Court prior to now (in my view they should have). The most likely reason for this is that the leaders could not justify the time, effort, and expense to do so prior to now. On the other hand, history does show that Georgia did not "sit idly by" for 190 years. Numerous efforts were made to resolve the issue bi-laterally with TN. Obviously, the catalyst that brought the issue back to the forefront is Tennessee's continuous efforts to block Georgia's access to a natural resource that we have every right to retrieve.

4. Also, you didn't answer my previous question: Isn't it a fact that the only reason GA is raising the issue now is because of a drought caused by incredible stupidity in planning?

Response: Well, no. The drought was not "caused by incredibly stupid planning". Droughts are cause by an incredible lack of rain! But seriously, as I stated above, the catalyst that brought this issue back to the forefront is Tennessee's continuous efforts to block Georgia's access to a natural resource that we have every right to retrieve.

As for planning, THIS IS PART OF Georgia's long-term plan. Tapping water from Tennessee River and piping it 100 miles is much more efficient and economical than building desalinization plants and piping sea water 250+ miles.

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