Holiday Blog

By Tina

November 28, 2007 7:37 AM | Link to this

I have used it on rare occasion, and I do not feel bad about it. My elder son is nearly five and I think he really needs to know that Santa might rethink things based on how he behaves. Whether that’s a giveaway to him or not, I don’t know, but it often stops whatever the offense is.

By Tina

November 28, 2007 7:38 AM | Link to this

I have used it on rare occasion, and I do not feel bad about it. My elder son is nearly five and I think he really needs to know that Santa might rethink things based on how he behaves. Whether that’s a giveaway to him or not, I don’t know, but it often stops whatever the offense is.

By Trina

November 28, 2007 7:59 AM | Link to this

My boss years ago made santa not show for a couple of days. Made her son wait. It was crazy I know but it worked on him. He done better. I don’t remember how old he was and if he really believed in Santa right then but he had a postponement in christmas. And she is one of the best people in the world. I love her. She was a very very good boss and one of the best of friends. She did so much for me.

By Alecia

November 28, 2007 8:14 AM | Link to this

The Santa threat really works. Last year I even had a number for Santa. It was a pre-recorded message. Every morning I put Santa on speaker phone, and my daughter’s behavior improved greatly. My daughter is 4 and believes in Santa. If it works use it. One thing that does annoy me however, is when I dole out the Santa threat and another adults laughs and mentions in front of my daughter how the Santa threat does not work in her house.

By SCY

November 28, 2007 8:19 AM | Link to this

No we aren’t using the “Santa Threat” because we don’t lie to our child about the existence of Santa. We actually teach our children appropriate behavior and that with inappropriate behavior there are consequences, not to look to some mythical character, which has absolutely nothing to do with true meaning of Christmas anyway…but thats just us, far be it from me to question the practices of other parents.

By Joan

November 28, 2007 8:24 AM | Link to this

SCY How sad. You don’t allow you kids to believe in a mythical character, like Santa, but I bet they believe in another mythical character, like Jesus? Or do you lie to them about that too?

By Charles

November 28, 2007 8:32 AM | Link to this

We didn’t use the Santa threat on our children; we’ve not used it on our grand-children.

Occasionally our grand-children are too unruly, clearly out of bounds. That’s our cue to use the threat of the teachings of Arthur Allen and the House of Prayer.

By SCY

November 28, 2007 8:35 AM | Link to this

Yes its really sad JOAN…I suppose when we go to Disney I should tell my child those characters are real as well.

Not even an atheist isn’t so naive as to deny the existence of Jesus, anymore than they can deny that the Roman empire existed, he was a historical figure as much as a religious one who’s existence isn’t denied even by those who deny his divinity.

But that begs the question why is an atheist (or otherwise Non-Christian) celebrating Christmas in the first place. That makes about as much sense as a Christian celebrating Ramadan… Pity the bigots of the world.

By Joan

November 28, 2007 8:42 AM | Link to this

SCY I feel very bad for your kids. Apparently they aren’t allowed to have any fun.

By SCY

November 28, 2007 8:55 AM | Link to this

So fun is to lie to your children? Interesting? Fun isn’t going on vacation or playing in the park or trips to the beach? Fun is lying to your children so they don’t know the difference between make believe and realty…

Maybe the next time a child plays cops and robbers we should give them real bullets or if they pretend they can fly by jumping off the bed we should go throw them off a cliff, after all playtime and realty are one in the same.

Well if thats how we define fun these days…I suppose we’ll pass. Thanks for the sympathy but we won’t be needing it.

By ARS

November 28, 2007 9:03 AM | Link to this

SCY - Talk about closed-minded. You are doing such an injustice to your kids by not allowing them to be kids and by not allowing them to celebrate what others believe in.

By ars

November 28, 2007 9:06 AM | Link to this

One more comment…you make the mistake of assuming just because somebody doesn’t believe in Jesus that they are atheists…FYI - The Christians don’t have a lock on GOD! Believe it or not people believe in other things and by teaching that to my daughter and letting her be a child and share in the amazement of childhood, that is the best thing I can give her

By ars

November 28, 2007 9:07 AM | Link to this

One more comment…you make the mistake of assuming just because somebody doesn’t believe in Jesus that they are atheists…FYI - The Christians don’t have a lock on GOD! Believe it or not people believe in other things and by teaching that to my daughter and letting her be a child and share in the amazement of childhood, she will grow to be a healthy open minded adult

By Santa

November 28, 2007 9:08 AM | Link to this

The “Santa threat” is as wrong as the “I’m gonna have the policeman arrest you,” threat.

First, why is your child acting up? Tired? Hungry? Are you not paying enough attention?

Second, after you have let them know they are loved, give a simple explanation as to why such behavior is inappropriate.

Third, in Santa’s eyes all children at good they just need a little help along the beginning of life’s journey.

Have a Merry Christmas, and don’t forget the cookies.

By Santa Rocks

November 28, 2007 9:28 AM | Link to this

I use the Santa threat on my 101-year old Alzheimer’s-ridden grandmother all the time - it works like a charm. Oh, and by the way, SCY - political correctness is for adults not kids. They will have to deal with enough reality when they grow up - let them have the fun and fantasy we all had as kids.

By JJ

November 28, 2007 9:34 AM | Link to this

I used to use the Santa threat, when my daughter was alot younger.

We still believe in Santa at my house, my Mom’s house and my brother’s house.

SCY How old are you kids? And why won’t you let them believe in Santa? I think thats sad. I don’t think I would consider it a lie, since you see Santa EVERYWHERE this time of year. It’s a tradition…..

By Blitzen

November 28, 2007 9:40 AM | Link to this

Santa isn’t real? Then who the hell have I and the other seven reindeer been pulling around in that sleigh for eons?

By Prancer

November 28, 2007 9:44 AM | Link to this

I’m with Blitzen on that one!

By Santa

November 28, 2007 9:45 AM | Link to this

Blitzen, watch your language the children might hear…besides Donder has enough bad habits.

By Vixen

November 28, 2007 9:53 AM | Link to this

Don’t I know it! I fly right behind Donder and sometimes the gas is enough to make me almost pass out!

By Rachel

November 28, 2007 10:07 AM | Link to this

I still use it, just like my mom used it. I start singing, “You better watch out….” My 12 year old just rolls his eyes, but he knows I still have control of what shows up from Santa!! My 9 year old, she responds fast from that song!!

By Dasher

November 28, 2007 10:24 AM | Link to this

So, SCY - Santa isn’t real, huh? I guess that means we reindeer aren’t real either? How’d you like to meet me and my friends out behind the Christmas tree lot on North Druid Hills Road so we can settle this once and for all? Tonight - at dusk - be there.

By Guilty

November 28, 2007 10:34 AM | Link to this

You guys may rip me for this, but I told my kids the truth about “Santa”. Not because I wanted to, but they’re too damned smart for their own good!

I had to come up with story after story because they kept asking questions: “How does Santa go to every house in one night when it took US all day to get from California back to Georgia on a plane?” “We don’t have a chimney, does Santa have a key?” “Why does Santa have so many fake Santas working for him? Is he trying to trick us?”

Conversation between my 9 year old and 7 year old last Saturday while trimming the tree: 7y.o.: “What’s up with Santa?” 9y.o.: “What do you mean?” 7y.o.: “I’ve been bad all year. Will I get charcoal in my stocking?” 9y.o.: “I heard grandma say there’s only one fat man that brings presents to us and it’s daddy.” 7y.o.: “Well then I’m telling daddy it’s not my fault I was bad.” 9y.o.: “Who’s fault was it then?” 7y.o.: “YOURS!” 9y.o.: “Elves are fiction. Santa is fiction. Swamp monsters are fiction. Transformers are non-fiction and ninjas are non-fiction.”

Damn that private school for being so good!!

By fk

November 28, 2007 10:48 AM | Link to this

We didn’t use the threat because my son grew up with a true Santa story. A family member had taken her 3 sons to the mall to get their picture taken with Santa. The boys misbehaved in the parking lot. After standing in line for a while, it was finally their turn. Naturally, Santa asked if they had been good boys all year. Needless to say, their answer was, “Yes.” Santa shook his head. He had seen the trouble these kids were giving Mom in the parking lot. The boys were speechless. The boys are all grown, and have kids of their own, and they still recall that magical day at the mall.

Last year, as we drove north for the holidays, there was a sign along either I-81 or I-78 in PA that read “Stop the lie. There is no such thing as Santa,” or something along those lines. If you don’t want to share in the magic of the season with your children, please don’t spoil it for others. I remember when my son’s 2nd grade class was in an uproar b/c a boy in the class announced that there was no such thing as Santa. He knew this b/c his parents didn’t lie to him. Whatever. Years ago, my nephew was misbehaving a few days before Christmas and being a brat. The phone rang and Grandpa announced Santa was on the line for him. That was the end of the tantrum.

By Jen

November 28, 2007 10:52 AM | Link to this

Guilty way to go taking that story from cute to smug.

By Dusty

November 28, 2007 10:55 AM | Link to this

I used to have Brownie the Elf come stay at our house. He was a little stuffed elf that Santa would send to watch my son. Brownie would report directly to Santa anything that my son did that was naughty. We would move him around the house whenever we could without being seen. My son thought he was real and always was very good during the month of December.

By jake

November 28, 2007 11:04 AM | Link to this

Santa threat users seem to be in the majority. I don’t think SCY said all non Christians are atheists. He asked why non Christians, including atheists celebrate Christmas. I’ve wondered the same thing.

By BlackGirl

November 28, 2007 11:12 AM | Link to this

SCY most of them celebrate Christmas because they don’t know the meaning of the word - Christ’s Mass.

We’ve secularized Christmas that even non-Christians participate. I work with one and it just boggles the mind!

By damion

November 28, 2007 11:15 AM | Link to this

why are so many people radical Santa apologist? Its a creation of corporate America. Somebody in this blog actually said kids should believe in Santa because other kids do…”other kids” do a lot of things that I don’t want my kids doing. Our kids have taken photos with Santa. They’ve also taken photos with chuck e cheese. They know both aren’t real. We treat it as just part of the festivities.

By Jesse's Girl

November 28, 2007 11:18 AM | Link to this

I may have used it before….I don’t honestly recall. My fave/current threats are far less mysterious. Its more like…”Respect your parents and clean your room or I’ll come in here with a Hefty bag and pick it up myself!” Works like a charm!

However…we do indulge in the magic of Santa! Although our 9 and 10 year old daughters haven’t hinted about the big guy…I think they may have figured it out. But I’m not saying anything until they approach me. Mr Jesse and I have a blast being Santa! The looks on their faces on Christmas morning is awesome! Much like home…Santa is where the heart is.

By Historian

November 28, 2007 11:32 AM | Link to this

First of all, Saint Nicholas was a real person, not a “creation of corporate America”. The traditional story of this gift-giving Christian bishop from the 4th century became cemented into folklore and literature and evolved into the benevolent being we now call Santa Claus. For the best defense of the existence of Santa, see “Yes, Virginia, there is a Santa Claus” an editorial by Francis Church in the New York Sun in 1897. Please read it here:[http://www.newseum.org/yesvirginia/]. It will warm even the coldest hearts.

By Camille

November 28, 2007 11:33 AM | Link to this

I would never threaten my kids that “Santa” wasn’t going to bring them anything because they misbehaved. Knowing that if they do misbehave that their prized possessions would be taken (PS2, television, mp3, etc.) and/or they would be confined to the house is enough to get them back in line. I don’t comprehend the Santa threat thing. So, what happens the rest of the year? Is that threat used for the whole year?

As for the comment about not allowing kids to have fun because they don’t believe in Santa, that is hilarious. I am finding that my oldest, at 9, is probably one of the few kids his age that still has a lot of the childish innocence that many adults wish that most kids have. And, he doesn’t believe that Santa brings him presents for Christmas. Neither will my now 2 year old. They do believe in Santa. Why, because he does exist. You see him in just about every mall this time of year. But, that Santa is just for picture-taking. I never actually sat down and told my oldest that there was no Santa, he just grew up knowing that it wasn’t Santa that brings him gifts because I always made him thank every single person that gave him a present at Christmas time. You know, that thing called manners that we should be teaching our kids.

Christmas is one of the few times per year that I get to spend time with all of my family (out of town). And, watching all the kids light up at the gifts that they get and the fun that they have with each other after not seeing each other for months. And, not of that has to do with Santa.

I won’t even touch on the responses of why “non-Christians” celebrate Christmas, because given the history, that is just as ludicrous.

By damion

November 28, 2007 11:41 AM | Link to this

yes there was a saint nicholas. It the modern incarnation and image of Santa emerged in the late 1800s in corporate advertising.

By Jesse's Girl

November 28, 2007 11:50 AM | Link to this

I have to agree…Santa, as he is today…has nothing to do with the real meaing of Christmas. Not that I subscribe to the thinking that Dec 25 is really when Jesus was born…even Bible scholars wil tell you that. But the heart of Christmas is SUPPOSED to be about Him. Santa….in all of his red and white slendor…was played with a bit to make money. But that is ok! Because my family understands intimately the joy that the real St Nick brought to people. Its almost like 2 different holidays for us…..we give reverence to the birth of Christ AND to the notion that there are still people in this world who love to put smiles on the faces of children…..and their parents!

By JJ

November 28, 2007 12:06 PM | Link to this

Here’s a little something special I do for my daughter. Even though she is 16, it’s still fun. It’s great for the little kiddies too.

I get a big can of Johnson’s Baby Powder and get in front of my fireplace. As I walk over to the Christmas tree, I sprinkle a bit of baby powder over my feet. Then I walk down the hall to my daughter’s room, up next to her bed, covering my feet as I walk. It looks like someone came down the chimney, and walked through our house, leaving bits of “snow” on the carpet. My daughter knows I do this, but it is still so much fun. I even walk into my bedroom and stop at my bed. I have done this every Christmas since she was 2 years old……

By DB

November 28, 2007 12:42 PM | Link to this

As my kids will tell you, my favorite maxim is “Mom doesn’t make threats — she makes promises!” I never threatened kids with dire consequences that I wasn’t prepared to back up. They knew that when I promised them something would happen — it happened. If you didn’t turn in your homework, you missed TV for a week. If you tease your sister, you’ll be raking leaves for the rest of the afternoon. If you don’t sort your laundry into the laundry room sorting bin, it doesn’t get washed — so if you don’t have a clean uniform to wear, you get a detention. And I never declared “wait until your Dad got home!” (I can handle discipline just fine, thank you) or “Watch out, because Santa’s watching!” (How creepy … to think that some guy in a white beard is scrutinizing your every move … !)

I remember being amazed when I found out that Mom and Dad were really Santa Claus — I was shocked that MY stern, strict parents were actually the source of all that incredible Christmas bounty! It created a warm glow inside me, that my parents had been the ones that sacrificed and planned and had gone to so much trouble to make sure that I had memorable Christmas mornings. Sigh

By kymberly

November 28, 2007 12:44 PM | Link to this

HAHA I use it to be funny.. I have no kids but I use it on my mom and older sister. It’s funny because we are grown and now know who Santa really is but its still funny to keep the spirits going because each is Santa to others. Like mom will start a tiff then one of the two daughters will say You know Mom, Santa is watching how you behave and I would HATE to see coal under the tree. HAHA It works! =0)

By kymberly

November 28, 2007 12:44 PM | Link to this

HAHA I use it to be funny.. I have no kids but I use it on my mom and older sister. It’s funny because we are grown and now know who Santa really is but its still funny to keep the spirits going because each is Santa to others. Like mom will start a tiff then one of the two daughters will say You know Mom, Santa is watching how you behave and I would HATE to see coal under the tree. HAHA It works! =0)

By kymberly

November 28, 2007 12:44 PM | Link to this

HAHA I use it to be funny.. I have no kids but I use it on my mom and older sister. It’s funny because we are grown and now know who Santa really is but its still funny to keep the spirits going because each is Santa to others. Like mom will start a tiff then one of the two daughters will say You know Mom, Santa is watching how you behave and I would HATE to see coal under the tree. HAHA It works! =0)

By Santa's Helper

November 28, 2007 12:58 PM | Link to this

@ JJ - What a great idea! My kids (ages 6 & 4) still believe in Santa. I am getting questions from the 6 yo tho so your idea…can I borrow it?? Have your kids even said anything about ‘snow’ in the house but none outside? Do you just tell them it’s from up north as we must have been the next stop?? Tell me more!! Please.

By Historian

November 28, 2007 1:10 PM | Link to this

Thanks to all who wrote positive stories about your families and traditions this morning - I’ve enjoyed reading them. The essence of this season isn’t about the “letter of the law” or the absolutes of truth, but about the wonders of belief and the intangibles we experience with families and friends. Growing up with an imagination and the sharing of collective wisdom and folklore is a wondrous experience that connects us to the past and, hopefully, transcends the modern intrusions into our lives, as it continues into the future.

By Now That's Funny

November 28, 2007 1:15 PM | Link to this

Using the Santa threat on senile ol’ Granny? Santa Rocks - you cracked me up with that!

By JJ

November 28, 2007 1:25 PM | Link to this

Santa’s Helper YES, feel free to use the idea. That’s why I posted it……

My daughter had to remind me last year to do this. We were at the grocery store right before Christmas, and she looked at me, and said “don’t forget the baby powder”…..

I do this at my Mom’s too on Christmas Eve…..the kids just love it.

Don’t forget the cookies and milk too. One year we left “straw and grass” for the reindeer. And Santa ALWAYS leaves a letter for my daughter.

Oh, and I used to tell her that the “snow” was from his boots as he was loading up the Sleigh!!!!!!

By Nan

November 28, 2007 1:26 PM | Link to this

Never used the Santa threat with my kids, and also never lied to them about the existence of Santa. They got told early on that Santa was a nice story someone made up based on legends about Saint Nicholas. It’s always struck me as being a terrible thing to do to kids — promise them that if they’re “good” Santa will bring them what they’re wishing for at Christmas when most of the time there’s no way that’s going to happen. Christmas arrives and instead of whatever they had their heart set on being under the tree they’re hit with the reality of parents not having bottomless wallets. What do you think goes through kids’ heads when they try really hard to be good, are rewarded with cheap toys and new socks, and see the spoiled brat from a wealthier family get loaded down with good stuff?

By Jenny Corsey

November 28, 2007 1:27 PM | Link to this

No, I do not use the Santa threat, as there is no Santa and parents who tell their children there is one, are lying and are in my opinion guilty of emotional child abuse. Get over Santa and these other holiday myths.

By Stacey

November 28, 2007 1:32 PM | Link to this

I admit to using the Santa threat when my son was 2 or 3 but now that he’s 6, I’m the threat. When i did use it, it pretty much only worked while the Christmas tree was up because his (short) long term memory didn’t allow him to remember Santa and/or why he should care if he saw him.

I think this may be the last year for Santa in my house because my son is asking the type of questions that show he has doubts. I admit that I’m a little sad about it because kids just seem to lose a little innocence once the lore of Santa is gone.

By Dee

November 28, 2007 1:46 PM | Link to this

I was going to comment on how crazy these people claiming that we LIE to our children about Santa Claus! But the more I thought about it, I realized they must not have had a good experience with Santa Claus when they were children or they wouldn’t think it was so bad for their children.
I am sorry, to all of you who claim we are LYING to our children, that you didn’t enjoy the magic of Santa as a child….

By Jenny Corsey

November 28, 2007 1:51 PM | Link to this

No we did not have bad childhoods, rather we are honest and intelligent. We know nothing good comes from lying and those who tell the Santa myth live sad and meaningless lives

By Mike In Woodstock

November 28, 2007 1:51 PM | Link to this

Wow! Waaaayyyyyy too many uptight people on this board.

Obviously they had bad childhood Christmas memories of not getting that Mystery dream date when they were 8 years old so now they are getting back at society by not participating in Christmas with their children.

Look…It’s make believe…There is not one shred of evidence that says your kid will wind up in a clock tower with a rifle because you lied to him about Santa.

Lighten up people.

And oh, btw, My daughter is 12 and probably hasn’t believed in Santa for the past 7 years but I still use the Santa Threat to this day. She knows that her mother and I are the keepers of “Santa’s” gifts so that helps keep her attitude in check.

By Joan

November 28, 2007 1:51 PM | Link to this

To those who feel parents lie to their kids about Santa - and him being all mythical etc, are these the same parents instilling Jesus into their heads?

I think anyone telling a kid to believe in Jesus, the mythical man in the sky, is just as bad. Mental abuse. Talk about a lie.

People don’t believe in Santa but they believe in God? I don’t get it.

By Now That's Funny

November 28, 2007 2:11 PM | Link to this

Joan - you may not get God - but God gets you.

By Camille

November 28, 2007 2:12 PM | Link to this

Very interesting. So, the adults whose children don’t believe in Santa had bad Christmas experiences in their own childhood??? Are you guys trying to transfer your own bad childhood memories, perhaps??

Honestly, I don’t see how not believing in Santa “scars” a child or stifles their creativity or takes away their innocence, or whatever other tragedies could occur (as posted here). And, how is it that if our kids don’t believe in Santa that we are “getting back at society” and how does that equate to not participating in Christmas with them? Some of the parallels being drawn in this thread are just simply unbelievable. And, how do we make the leap from Santa to having kids believe in Jesus? And, aren’t Jesus and God two different entities? Knowing of the existence of Jesus (who was an actual man) and believing in God are two different things. When bringing up “parallels” such as that, it would be great if it made sense.

Regardless, the kids still thoroughly enjoy their Christmas, with or without Santa. Maybe that’s the point that some are missing. Christmas is not about Santa and whether or not the kids believe in him. It’s really all about a lot more than that.

By DB

November 28, 2007 2:34 PM | Link to this

Love the baby powder idea, and use a version of that with the Tooth Fairy — just a light touch of that clear glitter on the pillow, so when the child woke up the next morning, they could see the “fairy dust” on their pillow … :-)

By SantaBaby

November 28, 2007 3:21 PM | Link to this

NO WAY!!! My daughter has never believed in Santa! No big fat man is bringing you anything. As a single mother I work my a#! off to let someone take the credit. Give me a break.

By CeeJay

November 28, 2007 3:37 PM | Link to this

I dont use the Santa threat as much as I threaten to take the presents from Me and Dad from under the tree disappear. That works great. And when its not Christmas time I threaten the loss of toys and they are not put up, they are thrown out.

And all this nonsense about it hurting children to believe in something is crazy. I believed in Santa as a child, I also knew that it was a celebration of Jesus Christ, whether others want to believe that with me or not I dont care. I am just fine, not a thing wrong with me emotionally. The children are going to be fine. I dont see it as lying. I can dress up as Santa Clause.

By CeeJay

November 28, 2007 3:42 PM | Link to this

oops I guess proof reading would have been a good idea…strike the disappear form the first sentence.

By CeeJay

November 28, 2007 3:43 PM | Link to this

oops I guess proof reading would have been a good idea…strike the disappear from the first sentence.

By Lynette

November 28, 2007 3:55 PM | Link to this

Never used the Santa threat on my kids not did my parents use it on me. There was the Momma threat and the Daddy threat. I knew how to behave and was in fear of retribution if I did not behave. Same for my kids.

By hdd3

November 28, 2007 4:21 PM | Link to this

My kids get all the toys I can afford to give them. But they don’t know anything about Santa. He is not mentioned one way or the other in our home. I assure you they are very happy and appreciate the gifts from Mom and Dad. If a kid knows nothing about Santa or the Easter Bunny but is surrounded by love, how are they going to be damaged? The truth is always better than a lie.

By hdd3

November 28, 2007 4:41 PM | Link to this

It seems all logic goes out of the window when dealing with subjects like this. It is amazing how defensive people are when their beliefs/traditions etc. are challenged. According to dictionary.com, the definition of Lie is: false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood. Based on this definition, telling your kids that Santa will bring them toys means you are deliberately deceiving them. In other words you are lying. Simple logic being made difficult.

By JT

November 28, 2007 4:57 PM | Link to this

How does a simple question turn into an argument about Santa and Jesus? Ya’ll are crazy!!

By L.

November 28, 2007 5:12 PM | Link to this

Santa Claus is a demon who works for Satan, who breeds commercialism into spoiled, selfish capitalistic human being who live in overpriviledged countries.

By L.

November 28, 2007 5:12 PM | Link to this

Santa Claus is a demon who works for Satan, who breeds commercialism into spoiled, selfish capitalistic human beings who live in overpriviledged countries.

By poplin6302

November 28, 2007 5:19 PM | Link to this

DB — i am totally stealing the fairy dust idea — I love that — we’re losing teeth over here like it’s going out of style —

only problem wiht the baby powder is there has to be snow on the ground to explain the snow in the house — my mom went with soot from the fireplace — one year when we were getting very suspicious she tracked soot all over her carpet from the chimney — boy did we believe after that!!

By Dr. Feel Good

November 28, 2007 6:49 PM | Link to this

I gotta say, the blogs on 11Alive are much better:

http://www.topix.net/forum/source/wxia

Y’all come on over and join me. You can actually comment on a NEWS STORY, rather than some contrived “subject”.

By Warrior Woman

November 29, 2007 5:41 PM | Link to this

ARS - maybe you should read SCY’s posts before responding to them. A couple of points:

1) You wrote “You are doing such an injustice to your kids by not allowing them to be kids and by not allowing them to celebrate what others believe in.” SCY never said they don’t celebrate Christmas, but that ” …we don’t lie to our child about the existence of Santa.” The two aren’t the same.

2)You also wrote “you make the mistake of assuming just because somebody doesn’t believe in Jesus that they are atheists…” SCY never said that people that aren’t Christians are atheists, but that “But that begs the question why is an atheist (or otherwise Non-Christian) celebrating Christmas in the first place.” Again, the two aren’t the same.

I think your prejudices are showing.

By doreen

December 4, 2007 7:59 PM | Link to this

does any one have the pre-recorded for santa clause?

By doreen

December 4, 2007 8:00 PM | Link to this

does any one have the pre-recorded for santa clause?