MOMania

By Lauren

June 17, 2008 7:54 AM | Link to this

With all due respect to religious folks, I am not raising my kids that way. My kids will be attending regular camp at their school which they do every year and love it. I attended VBS a few times when I was little and, even as a child, I did not not like spending my day with Baptists, so, no, I won’t be putting my children through that.

By Susan

June 17, 2008 8:28 AM | Link to this

How sad.

By Jennifer

June 17, 2008 8:30 AM | Link to this

My kids started yesterday and had a blast! If they didn’t enjoy themselves we wouldn’t force them but they had the choice and chose to go.

By Corey

June 17, 2008 8:31 AM | Link to this

Yes, I’m sure the our schools which can barely teach our children how to read and do math is better suited to teach them about God. Oh but wait, the school system believes God is just a myth and that man evolved from a monkey. Yeah, I think I’ll send my child to there as well.

By Emma

June 17, 2008 8:32 AM | Link to this

Just more indoctrination into the fold.

How about Vacation Think-for-yourself School?

By Abe

June 17, 2008 8:35 AM | Link to this

Not only might children learn about “religion” in VBS, but they may learn about the birth, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ—and its implications.

There are worse folks than Baptists to spend your day with. Think about it.

By Jeff

June 17, 2008 8:35 AM | Link to this

VBS was a big part of my growing up. I loved the time there with my friends. As a pastor, I now have the joy of watching hundreds of kids not only learn about Jesus and a moral lifestyle but see them having a great time. Perhaps if more kids spent more time in VBS we would not have as many teen problems as we do today. Just a thought.

By gwarfan

June 17, 2008 8:38 AM | Link to this

Yup those Baptists kids are the worst.

By Cathy

June 17, 2008 8:40 AM | Link to this

I have a bigger problem with VBS ending at 9:00pm. Little ones up that late!!!!

By AK

June 17, 2008 8:41 AM | Link to this

The churches offer cheap VBS to get your kids in to convert them and your family. Why can’t they just offer a fun camp week without the religious trappings. Even the famous Perimeter Church’s camp, which is supposed to be great, is all about luring families into the pews. For those of us who are non-religious—and yes we do exist and lead good, moral and ethical lives—I think normal camps are the way to go. At least there are enough of them to choose from!

By motherjanegoose

June 17, 2008 8:56 AM | Link to this

Emma…no one is making anyone attend. You have every right to think for yourself at home.

I grew up in Chicago and we had 600 attend our church VBS. That was almost 40 years ago and Westchester Bible Church itself was about a 200 member church. We also had a super kids club on Friday night. You probably would not be surprised how many parents dropped their kids off ( free babysitting) and went to dinner!

Please share with us another summer place where can you send your children for 20 hours, they will be safe and occupied, have a snack and come home with a craft….for FREE or less than $10.

Yes, the churches are hoping to rope in some families who do not attend church at all…we call this outreach into the community. No one is being forced to attend. But if you do, you will hear Bible stories and sing songs.

Regarding San Fran, probably they are not as much into attending church as we are in the south and since they are more likely to be in line with Emma’s opinion ( obviously more intelligent) they do not waste their time on silly religious activities ( tongue in cheek)unless a real emergency shows up and then they might pray.

Our children always attended VBS and even worked in it as youths. They even went with our neighbors and we swapped out our kids.

Theresa…those religions who teach the books of the Bible and show children how to look things up are like parents who teach their children how to tie their shoes…they figure the children may want to read their Bible ( on their own) one day and need to know how to look things up. KUDOS to you for GOING BAPTIST….haha! You never know when someone might want to find a Bible verse on their own.

Summary….VBS is a great place for your kids to be with other children their age, hear a few Bible stories, sing some songs and have fun….virtually for free. If you are not inclined to agree…this is America and you can certainly take your kids to the waterpark or to the mall but it might cost a bit more!

By MAD

June 17, 2008 8:59 AM | Link to this

I’m looking at you AK and Lauren, but your self ritcheousness is equally if not more annoying than the religious folks.

PS: I’m an atheist

By Tom

June 17, 2008 9:03 AM | Link to this

I’m not a religious person either. Although I attend church each week and serve God there and in my community. My kids are grown now, but they went VBS. There they learned how to play fair, respect others, give to the needy, and yes they learned a little bit about Jesus. They are now grown and well adjusted. They don’t seem to have a problem with having to be first, or better, or keeping up with the neighbors materially. They learned things at VBS that help slow our society from falling into moral decay. I’m leaning towards having more religious folks. Even the non-religious folks agree they are the only chance we have at peace and decency

By Jesse's Girl

June 17, 2008 9:06 AM | Link to this

Our church is doing VBS next week and the only overtly “churchy” thing we are adressing is the music. I am doing the music with a couple of really awesome high school students that the younger ones think hung the moon! The activities are designed around Lab experiments….think Bill Nye the Science Guy meets MythBusters. Its going to be so much fun…and thats whats its all about. Do we want to also reach the unchurched families in our community? Absolutely….any good church wants this. But more than anything, we want to get kids in next week and show them that walking in the door of a church can be the most fun they’ve ever had!

By JWV

June 17, 2008 9:15 AM | Link to this

VBS is not germane to the south. Growing up on Long Island, we saw tons of signs every summer all over the place too… I loved my VBS experience and did it in addition to “normal” camps.

By Thor

June 17, 2008 9:17 AM | Link to this

No way - ever. We sent our boy to a Baptist Bible school. I grew up in the north where the Baptist church is vastly different from the regional Southern Baptists. My boy kept telling me his uncomfortable experiences from Bible school so I stopped by one day and checked it out.

The Baptists and Methodists are good people, however they are on opposite ends of the spectrum when it comes to our family faith of the Holy Orthodox Church. Since there are serious discrepancies dealing with principles of faith, we removed him from the school.

For those who like to state we need more prayer in school, more Bible school in order to stop the “moral decay” of America, my question is this: When did they take God out of your household?

By shane parrott

June 17, 2008 9:24 AM | Link to this

being a good moral person is good but that is not enough to get you into heaven. and religion is not either. knowing about jesus and knowing jesus are two very different things. love you all and pray for u god bless. and yes my 4 year old and 2 year old attend vacation bible school. and for those that think we evolved then who made the monkey?

By Mike

June 17, 2008 9:27 AM | Link to this

Hmmmm! You have a problem with VBS but Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny are OK. I think I’m beginning to see the real problem.

By shane parrott

June 17, 2008 9:28 AM | Link to this

tom there is no such thing as atheist god doesnt believe in that your his but just dont know it yet. cmon man we love you and so does god

By Hussein Obama

June 17, 2008 9:28 AM | Link to this

Is there a “Vacation Koran School”?

By yeash

June 17, 2008 9:38 AM | Link to this

When I was a kid it was fun to get away from the house for a week during the summer. Christian VBS is Christian be it Catholic or Baptist. I did both. Jewish would have been interesting too, if I’d been invited to a Jewish summer camp.

Kids are a lot smarter than you think.

I also went to the day camp in the woods. Yipdie dew da.

The more things you experience the better person you become.

By Randy Cooper

June 17, 2008 9:46 AM | Link to this

Sounds like we need a VBS for adults as well.

It’s about relationship, not religion… spirituality - it changes things.

By Rachel

June 17, 2008 9:48 AM | Link to this

I went to VBS as a child I loved going and I encouraged my kids to go. There was one summer when my kids were younger, they were invited and attended four VBS’s, which were three different denominations; I didn’t make them, that was their decision. They were brought up attending church so VBS was something that you did. The kids do learn about Jesus and right from wrong, but they also get to spend time with their friends. If you ask any of the kids that attended VBS at the church we attend what they remembered most, I bet it would be the football games in the backyard. If you don’t agree with VBS, that is your option, but I believe your kids are missing a great time.

By Theresa

June 17, 2008 9:49 AM | Link to this

Hey motherjane — Catholics in general don’t put that much emphasis on learning the Bible — the parents all seemed pleased that their children learned the basics of how to find something in the Bible — We also talked about service - serving family, friends, neighbors community and finally God — I think the kids got a lot out of it and we all had a great time — The music was absolutely the highlight for us — the music leader was fantastic — had teens playing guitars (like JG menitoned) — had hand motions for every song — also gave out cds wiht all the songs on them — the kids haven’t stopped singing yet and did a whole concert for my parents last week - they thoguht it was fantastic - biggest problem no nursery for hte baby so i had to beg for babysitters from my family — the one day I took her was terrible — couldn’t concentrate on task at hand but it was the last day

Hey Yeash - I loved learning what the protestants thought — very good exposure for kids — if I had been invited to a Jewish one I would have gone too — very interesting to learn what others are teaching —

By carl

June 17, 2008 9:58 AM | Link to this

Yes VBS is used as an outreach means to get people in the pews. Maybe the kids who learn about Jesus can help teach their parents about HIM.

By Jen

June 17, 2008 9:59 AM | Link to this

Since we’re a family of atheists we don’t want our child exposed to religion the way the religious teach about it. We’ll take care of his religious instruction in our home…the way we all should.

He’s going to Emory’s sports/fitness camp until the end of this week and then he’s going to gymnastics camp for the rest of the summer.

You want to see a kid fall into a coma at 7pm every night? Send him to sports camps….

He’s having a blast.

By Thor

June 17, 2008 10:00 AM | Link to this

To Shane Parrot:

Time to learn about other denominations on who gets into heaven and who does not. Baptists believe in the all or nothing approach while many others believe you can be an atheist and still make it into heaven. Research other faiths - check it out, expose yourself because there are different beliefs within Christianity.

By Stacey

June 17, 2008 10:01 AM | Link to this

My son doesn’t attend VBS but only because my husband and I both work fulltime and have to put him in full day camp. Our church is 50 miles from our home so it’s out of the question but if our schedules permitted we would allow him to attend at another church.

I loved attending VBS when I was a kid. We belonged to the Methodist Church along with 1/3 of the kids in the neighborhood and the other 2/3 belonged to the Baptist Church directly across the street. The churches never scheduled any activities for the children and/or youth departments for the same week because instead of “competing”, they could get all of the kids to attend at both places. We had different orders of services but we were worship the same God.

By Weszilla

June 17, 2008 10:17 AM | Link to this

First of all, its not a religion but a daily relationship with Jesus Christ. I mean come on, it was the religious fanatics that sent him to the cross though he was going to die for us all anyway. For all the atheists, whens the last time you looked outside at the Sun or at night at the stars and the moon. You see all his Glory there. Everything on this Earth is his handy work whether you believe it or not. Just know that he loves you, all of you!

By Mike

June 17, 2008 10:19 AM | Link to this

Lauren, we wish you and your children a happy summer! You and your family are always welcome at our church.

By Duluth

June 17, 2008 10:20 AM | Link to this

My parents sent us ONCE to VBS. We both hated it, and knew back then we did not believe in God.

I don’t buy the whole heaven/hell thing either.

By BlondeHoney

June 17, 2008 10:21 AM | Link to this

As a transplant from South Fla, I don’t recall a great deal of emphasis around vacation Bible school, but here in Ga you can’t walk without tripping over the signs. My kids went to an AWESOME summer camp every year sponsored by Miami-Dade Parks & Recreation called Camp on the Sea; they canoed around key biscayne, airboat trips to the everglades, and snorkled on one of only 2 fossilized coral reefs in the world (the other is in Australia). I’m with Jen…my boys came home ready to fall in a coma every day & they LOVED it

By Denise

June 17, 2008 10:26 AM | Link to this

Our VBS is always at night because so many of us still have to work in the day. Our largest class is our adult class. VBS isn’t just for kids. If you loved it as a kid,you will still love it as an adult. If you’ve never experienced VBS, you can’t have a real opinion about it.

By Jen

June 17, 2008 10:39 AM | Link to this

i should say that I grew up near New Orleans. Everyone there is Catholic. I don’t rememeber hearing about VBS until I was much older and realized that one or two kids weren’t Catholic.

The Catholics really don’t use the Bible as a literal source for their teachings so I am not surprised it took them a while to develop their own version of VBS…because the B part wouldn’t be all that big a part of things.

I imagine VBS is good for those ofyou who practice some sort of religion.

However, you should keep a good eye on what they’re teaching your kids. It might not jive with what your values are even though they’re the same religion.

By johnc22

June 17, 2008 10:41 AM | Link to this

VBS is like sending your kids to “reprogramming” school. I’d no more send my kids to VBS than I would to hang out with the Branch Dividians. If my kids grow up and decide that religion is for them, that’s great, but I will not force it on them at such a young age that they cannot even understand what is happening.

By Duluth

June 17, 2008 10:51 AM | Link to this

johnc22 I agree with your post 100%.

By James

June 17, 2008 10:54 AM | Link to this

I let my children participate in the decision. The whole idea is that it’s a vacation. My kids are weird - they don’t enjoy sitting around reading the Bible and doing crafts all day so they usually pick something less structured.

By George

June 17, 2008 10:57 AM | Link to this

“How about Vacation Think-for-yourself School?”

Emma, How about a think for yourself school? Allowing your children to experience other people’s belief systems and culture would be good for them. Why not allow your children to experience these things and then decide for themselves rather than sheltering them from all contact with them, (religious people). Broaden their horizons, the more we experience the world and the people in it, the better this place will be.

By Melissa

June 17, 2008 10:59 AM | Link to this

Food for thought to all the “atheists” and people on this board who do not believe in heaven/hell or God…

You don’t believe in God, and FYI God doesn’t believe in Atheists…who’s going to be worse off if they are correct?

I also am amazed at the ignorance of most of these self proclaimed “moral, good people.”

I’m sure you teach your children about not smoking because of lung cancer, not crossing the street without looking both ways, and countless other “maybe’s” that could happen to them throughout life. Why aren’t you arming them with the information to make their own decisions about religion and protect themselves from a life damned to eternal anguish? Seems like that would be just common sense and one of the biggest worries of all parents.

Not to sound crude, but it’s not going to be fun knowing that your neglect of teaching your children costed them eternal life with no worries.

Why chance it?

By Becky

June 17, 2008 11:00 AM | Link to this

My daughter started going to VBS when she was old enough…at age 4 (she’s 7 now). She has loved it every summer. The music we choose seems to be the favorite part. This year we’re “Surfin’ the Scriptures,” with fun “beachy” music!! She can’t wait until next week.

By FCM

June 17, 2008 11:00 AM | Link to this

My child went to camp a few weekends ago with church. Next year she is eligible for the week long program…they stay the night. She is looking forward to it.

VBS has never worked out in our schedules. It’s a shame because I always enjoyed (and still remember) VBS. One of the churches does it 2 nights during the summer…we might look at it. Most of them do it 9-12 and that does not work with today’s 2 working (or single parent) homes.

By Larry

June 17, 2008 11:06 AM | Link to this

JohnC and Duluth, I pity both of you; particularly you JohnC. Do you really think your kids are not going to utterly and completely programmed one way or another by the time they are grown?

By new mom

June 17, 2008 11:07 AM | Link to this

I grew up in GA and attended VBS as a child every year, then volunteered as a teenager. As a youth worker in our church, I taught VBS and also helped mentor our teenagers as they volunteered with the kids at VBS. It’s always been a place of fun, excitement, and love.

Throughout each VBS I attended and volunteered, the overriding theme was always ‘God loves you’. There were always more specific teachings, usually Bible stories which illustrated God being faithful and loving, but it’s always been a message of love. As a parent, you certainly have the right to shield your children from that message, but I (personally) believe that each child has a deep desire to know that they are loved by God. It helps them develop an inner strength and character they can only develop in the security of God’s love. There have been lots of children who are shaken and moved when they hear about unconditional love, but usually those precious children were unfortunately never shown unconditional love from their parents and aren’t sure they can believe what they are hearing about God.

I also believe that most churches go into a VBS with a pure desire to share God’s love with the children of the community, especially those who rarely if ever hear loving words at home. We always encouraged children from other churches to take their excitement back to their own church—and if they didn’t have a church home, they were always welcome to come back.

By Eric

June 17, 2008 11:08 AM | Link to this

Johnc22……It is your choice to do as you please. You are entitled to raise your children as you see fit and that’s the truth…..however, I’d love to know just what your children would be reprogrammed from if they attended church? I’m sure VBS could only help them from the way you sound.

By Thor

June 17, 2008 11:09 AM | Link to this

Melissa, many Christian denominations believe that you do not have to believe in the Christ in order to get to heaven - Catholics, Orthodox, Anglicans all believe that the litmus test is how well you lived your life according to the teachings of Christ - not the belief in the Christ.

The reasoning behind this long held belief is: What if the person was not properly exposed to Christ? What if the person grew up in a part of the world where Christianity is not an option?

Do a little more research on what other denominations and religions believe because the majority of faiths do not subscribe to the same permise as yours. Learn more - become enlightened.

By Jen

June 17, 2008 11:23 AM | Link to this

Melissa, it’s that sort of gloom-and-doom-you-better-believe-or-you’ll-go-to-hell type of fear-mongering that turned me from a Catholic to an atheist. I mean, what happened to being good because it’s the right thing to do?

And Catholics don’t even believe in that, as Thor said.

But that kind of language repelled me from belief in “God” and convinced me it was all man-made.

But, hey, if it works for you.

By Homeschool Mom

June 17, 2008 11:27 AM | Link to this

So you won’t send your kids to VBS because they will be “programmed” to believe a certain way…but you’ll gladly send them to the gov’t daycare called public school…what do you think it’s for? certainly NOT getting any sort of real education!

By Denise

June 17, 2008 11:29 AM | Link to this

The BIBLE says that “every ear shall hear and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord”. I don’t care what part of the world you’re in, you will hear about Christ before the end of time. Or do you not believe in that either?

By Sandy_G

June 17, 2008 11:34 AM | Link to this

Since we’re a family of atheists we don’t want our child exposed to religion

It’s funny how “fragile” atheist’s belief systems are that they must “protect” their children from “exposure” to any religious experience.

I read recently in Time magazine that some atheists, agnostic and humanist believers had come together to create their own version of “Sunday school” for their children. They did this, because as one mother said, “My child went to VBS with some friends and came home full of questions about God and Jesus and curious as to why I had not told him anything about these cool and wonderful people.” Her child felt as if he was missing out on something by not being able to go to church, so she and others have created their own version of “church” where they gather on Sunday monnings to make sure their children don’t miss out on the “church” experience.

Of course, the normal progression of this will be that humanism (which is currently the basis of public school character-building curriculum) will become a religion in it’s own right and we can finally get it out of our schools.

I’m a born-again christian and I agree that NO religious instruction, prayer or worship of any type should be allowed in our public schools. Religious teaching is the territory of churches and parents in their own homes.

Vacation Bible School is an outreach to children and parents who are interested in learning more about God, the bible and religion while having fun during the summer. It’s offered free of charge and noone is forced to attend. If you don’t want your child exposed to anything different than what you teach in your own home, be prepared for your child to be as closed-minded as yourself, regardless of whether you are an atheist or a believer.

By Thor

June 17, 2008 11:35 AM | Link to this

Melissa:

1.2 billion Catholics, 300 million Orthodox and 75 million Anglican/Episcopalians do not subscribe to the premise. These are the three largest Christian denominations on earth.

Out of all the worlds faiths, Christianity represents only around 33% of the population.

Based on such a premise, the vast majority of the world is going into damnation.

Become enlightened - learn about your faith by comaring it to others.

By Jeff

June 17, 2008 11:58 AM | Link to this

My dad is a deacon in a Southern Baptist church, has been the VAST majority of my life. Of the men I DEEPLY respected growing up - and still do - ALL are ordained to some office in the Southern Baptist Church. (FYI for non-Southern Baptists, there are only two: Pastor and Deacon.)

I was in church every time the doors were open, and that included VBS. I’ve also worked in VBS as a worker.

And my parents have worked on the church bus ministry for something like a decade now. Which means that during VBS week, they have to be at the church and on the bus no later than 4pm and won’t be back at church to go home until well after 11pm most nights. To the tune that my dad took vacation from his job this year that week, though normally they both take the week after that off and that has traditionally been our family vacation week.

On the ‘believe in Christ’ front: The Bible is perfectly clear. Without shed blood, there can be no remission of sin. To believe in a works salvation is heresy.

By Sandy_G

June 17, 2008 12:05 PM | Link to this

*many Christian denominations believe that you do not have to believe in the Christ in order to get to heaven - Catholics, Orthodox, Anglicans all believe that the litmus test is how well you lived your life according to the teachings of Christ - not the belief in the Christ. *

What? Catholic, Anglican and Orthodox religions are all Christain religions based on the fundemental belief that Christ was the son of God and died for our sins and then was resurrected. I’m not sure how you can be a Catholic, Anglican or Orthodox believer and not believe in Christ.

Also, all christain religions teach that good works are important, but not to be done for the sake of “being a good person” or “getting into heaven”. Good works are the product of a truly changed heart and mind which comes from acceptance and belief in Christ, therefore, wanting to live your life in emulation of his life and good works.

Last time I checked, the Bible was the “book of choice” among all christian religions and the bible says, “Ephesians 2:8-10: For by grace you have been saved through faith… it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast.

Catholics and all christian religions teach that salvation comes from the grace of God, not from individual performance. Christians believe that no imperfection, no spot, no blemish and not one speck of sin or sinfulness may exist in heaven. That being the case, heaven would remain pretty darn empty without the grace of God which when one believes, is offered to us impure and imperfect humans to expunge our sinful nature and allow us to enter heaven.

That’s the basic christian belief system and it applies to all christian religions.

By Kraw

June 17, 2008 12:08 PM | Link to this

went as a kid and loved it. My parents didn’t go to church with me, I went on my own (dad worked sundays etc) until my mom started going.

I think a lot of people think parents force their kids to go (which can be the case), but I didn’t have to go if I didn’t want to :)

By Thor

June 17, 2008 12:08 PM | Link to this

Like the bumper sticker says, “Lord, protect me from your followers”

This is why my boy will not be attending Bible camp.

By new mom

June 17, 2008 12:17 PM | Link to this

Thor, This is my path to being truly enlightened: Learn about God, learn about the difference between ‘truth’ and ‘belief’, grow in your own personal faith in Jesus, learn about other religions, compare your faith to other religions, THEN embrace your own beliefs with an educated mind and heart. This, to me, seems a bit more educated and enlightened.

Jen, on behalf of us Christians out there, I would like to apologize for our sometimes misguided words and actions. We aren’t perfect, by any means, and it’s unfortunate when our beliefs lead us to come across as pushy and fear-mongering. I like to think that God has quite a sense of humor, because he certainly chose a flawed group of beings to share His love. I pray that someone will cross your path that can be a better example and that can better show God’s love and grace—but please go easy on us, we aren’t perfect!

By Orlando

June 17, 2008 12:19 PM | Link to this

Whether you believe in God or not, one way or another you’re programming your kids to follow truth or a lie. Atheists have this belief that they are not conforming to “religious rules”. However, you’re programming your kids to a belief just as much as those “religious” folks do.

Cooper said it best, it’s about relationship. The problem is that while the Word never changes, the egos and self-righteousness of man has, and as a result we have denominations who turn away people rather than embrace them and show them the true love of Christ.

I don’t feel bad for any adult who fails to acknowledge the existence of God, for they will also face judgment, but let your children discover the truth for themselves.

By Jesse's Girl

June 17, 2008 12:26 PM | Link to this

Theresa…thats interesting. My sister is Catholic and their church in Savannah puts TONS of emphesis on reading abd teaching out of the Bible. Is that not the norm? I also used to sing at Cathedral of Christ the King and they were big on it too.

By arh

June 17, 2008 12:42 PM | Link to this

I grew up going to VBS and Sunday School, Sunday service (am & pm) and Wed. night service as a Southern Baptist. As a child, VBS was something fun to break up the monotony of summer. I doubt any harm every came to a child from the vanilla teachings of VBS. My problems came as I got older and realized just how exclusionary and intolerant the teachings of the Baptist faith are: no women church leaders (not even Deacons), no drinking, no homosexuals, no dancing (just for good measure). As I looked around I saw nothing but judgmental white guys and I didn’t see the teachings of Jesus reflected in any of them.

By Thor

June 17, 2008 12:51 PM | Link to this

Many evangellicals and various protestants (baptists certainly) follow “Biblio-Centric” worship or Solo Scriptura.

Catholics and Orthodox and Anglicans follow “Christo-Centric” worship.

Baptists without a doubt are the best at quoting the Bible. Catholic Church’s, Orthodox and Anglican all have daily scripture reading according to the Church calendar. “Chisto-Centric” belief is based on Christ is the center of the Church, everything else is a spoke (including the Bible)

Biblio-Centric/Solo Scriptura protestant Churches believe the Bible is the center.

There are vast differences in belief within Christianity - really big differences. No Bible vacation school for my boy.

By Jen

June 17, 2008 12:52 PM | Link to this

Sandy_g

I like how you only quoted a small portion of what I said and thereby gave yourself to misinterpret what I said.

The whole quote would be: Since we’re a family of atheists we don’t want our child exposed to religion the way the religious teach about it. We’ll take care of his religious instruction in our home…the way we all should.

I am no “fragile” atheist. I grew up Catholic. My parents and 3 brothers and sister are still Catholic. I know many fine people who believe in God and practice some form of religion.

However, when it comes to instilling my beliefs in my child I will do it…no one else. No church, no VBS, no school.

By JJ

June 17, 2008 12:53 PM | Link to this

Interesting topic today.

No one wins this debate. The believers cannot accept the non-believers views.

And please don’t pray for me. I don’t believe in God, I never have, and I doubt I ever will.

By Mel

June 17, 2008 12:56 PM | Link to this

AK: FYI-VBS is not “cheap,” by any stretch of the imagination! Just go online and research the cost of materials and you will find that it’s quite an investment for a church to make! That’s not to mention the time & effort of the workers, decorations, food, etc. It is a major cost for many churches!

I happily went to VBS as a child and my children are attending now. This week they are going to my mom’s church to study “God’s Big Back Yard.” It teaches children how you can serve as an ambassador of Christ by serving the world; in your own back yard! Next week my children & I will attend and work at our own church for “Outrigger’s Island.” We are all very excited and will enjoy the week thoroughly! Will we walk away indoctrinated? Perhaps. But, I’d much rather my children be “indoctrinated” in a Christian church where they can be taught life principles that will stay with them for the rest of their lives! Not only about God or Jesus, but about duty to fellow man, integrity, honesty, fairness, stewardship of the earth, etc. It is a wonderful thing for us, but we would only wish for you and yours to attend solely by your own volition!

By John 3:16

June 17, 2008 1:11 PM | Link to this

For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, that whosover believed in HIM shall not perish but have eternal life. - John 3:16

First thing I ever learned in VBS - that GOD LOVED ME.

My “religious” upbringing taught me to memorize all the right prayers, go to confession and I was all set - never knew God loved me….

By Denise

June 17, 2008 1:11 PM | Link to this

I grew up in the Catholic church but I went to VBS at the United Methodist Church where my grandmother lived. I had a ball. In the Catholic church, the Bible is used for teaching in the Readings, but we did not learn to find our own scriptures and know scriptures as applicable to our lives and situations. Like many, the first verse I learned was John 3:16. From a wonderful Christian baby sitter I learned I John 4:7-8. I still remember the song. I think any child that is exposed to the teaching of Christ benefits. When I have kids, they are going to VBS and I might be jealous.

By Jesse's Girl

June 17, 2008 1:15 PM | Link to this

JJ….you are certainly entitled to that, without a doubt. I hate religion myself. I dislike many “Christians”…or any person of faith that dictates the flow of a life. Living should be magical and spirtual…by the very virtue of surviving and learning lessons!! I was raised by a Methodist minister and I spent my summers with my very Baptist grandparents…then I really went crazy and married a Messianic Jew!!!! So I have a unique perspective on God/religion/Christ. In my life, I have seen evidence of no religion…at least none I want to be associated with. But I sure do believe that Christ died for me. Its difficult for some to distinguish between the two schools of thought. But its such a personal thing for me. I have lived through experiences that I could never chalk up to coincidence or random outcomes. My life has a purpose…and its for Jesus. Jesus was a Jew..a big one. He didn’t judge, He didn’t run from people, and He certainly didn’t act holier-than-thou. That seems to be religion’s job these days! JJ…even if you don’t beleive, I still think you’re pretty dern cool!

By Elizabeth

June 17, 2008 1:26 PM | Link to this

My daughter has attended VBS from the time she was in pre-school and this year was her second year as a “team leader” and third year total in a leadership role. The last 12 years have been filled with awesome experiences, fun times, love and worship as well as great life-lessons! Our church serves OVER 500 children during that one week each summer. That’s over six THOUSAND kids who have been a part of my daughter’s life over the last 12 years. Wow!! And to think… their parents didn’t have to pay one penny! Thank you Sugarloaf UMC for giving my daughter 12+ years of wonderful fellowship and good times!

By motherjanegoose

June 17, 2008 1:34 PM | Link to this

Interesting reading today!

When I travel for business and weekend over between meetings, I like to visit other types of churches to check things out and learn new things! Broaden my perspective!

I read this over 20 years ago and it still applies: the Bible is like a road map…you do not have to like it or follow the directions but if you plan on arriving at the destination of choice ( heaven) you may want to pay attention to the directions. Those of you who feel good about winging it on the road and not following the maps, they are there whether you want to read them or not!

We do not make the rules…we just follow the map ( Bible). If you do not believe in the Bible and feel perfectly comfortable about what may or may not happen after death, then that is certainly your right and we respect that. We just may not understand.

I am not into preaching or pushing my religious beliefs on anyone else but it you have ever experienced a true answer to prayer, you know there is more to our lives than our own self interest…God does love you and care for you…just like you love your own children even when they are VERY unlovable.

By JJ

June 17, 2008 1:35 PM | Link to this

Jessie’sGirl Wow, thanks for the kind words. I’m flattered you think I’m pretty dern cool. You made my day!!!

I’ve been dealing with some health issues and I have to have a minor surgery so this really perked me up. Thanks again!!!

By JJ

June 17, 2008 1:37 PM | Link to this

Jessie’sGirl I also think you are pretty awesome. I love reading your posts, they are very insightful and you are very sure of yourself!!!!. I think you and I would get along great and probably be the best of friends.

By Bosch

June 17, 2008 1:42 PM | Link to this

You can always tell a person who knows very little about their “religion” when they claim there is more than one Christian “religion”

Sandy_G - Christianity is the “religion” the breakout groups (Catholic, Anglican, Baptist, etc.) are the “denominations.”

Being an Anglican myself, I can back up what Thor said. It’s not that we don’t “belive” in Christ, I believe that he was a great dguy who had a lot of good things to say and do, but we don’t feel the need to be “saved” as most of the protestant groups think.

I’m a Christian, Episcopalian to be specific, who doesn’t believe in heaven and hell, that Christ rose from the dead (that’s gross) and all the other hocus pocus stuff.

In regards to VBS, I wouldn’t let my child to go any other VBS than the one my church puts on - I know the curriculum and what they’ll be talking about.

By Sandy_G

June 17, 2008 1:44 PM | Link to this

**No one wins this debate. The believers cannot accept the non-believers views.

And please don’t pray for me. I don’t believe in God, I never have, and I doubt I ever will.**

I accept that and yes, I’m a believer. However, the very first posts on this board were negative toward religion and christian churches. Christians have always been the object of derision, negativity and misinformation from non-christians. We get that. We have gotten it since the Roman times when being a christian could mean you were the 3 o’clock matinee snack for the lions at the coliseum to the present day where we are called “Bible Thumpers” and “Holy Rollers”. We bear that burden proudly and with great gratitude.

I may not share your beliefs, but I respect them. Please respect my right to follow my faith which teaches that I am required by my faith to reach out to others who may be hungry for something more substantial than they currently have in their lives. I don’t shove my beliefs down anyone’s throat, but I have the right to believe as I want to and to talk about what I believe in. Atheists have the right to talk about their lack of belief and how it has enhanced their well-being and lives as well.

I knew when I saw the subject matter here that the first people to comment would be those people who love to criticize, mock and make fun of believers and their churches. Thank you for your persecution. The Bible says that he blesses me whenever I am persecuted so that I should welcome it and ask him to bless those persecutors. “Romans 12:14
Bless those who persecute you. Don’t curse them; pray that God will bless them.” Have a good day.

By Jesse's Girl

June 17, 2008 1:46 PM | Link to this

Surgery??? Well to heck with what you say JJ. I am so praying for you!!

By Jesse's Girl

June 17, 2008 1:53 PM | Link to this

Elizabeth…I think your church got our former pastor!!!

By Thor

June 17, 2008 1:55 PM | Link to this

Here is something which will blow the Protestants mind: Holy Relics of the Catholic and Orthodox faith.

When someone is Canonized as a Saint, they are dug up and small pieces of their body are cut out, then reburied.

The pieces of skin, bone and hair and then chopped up further and sent out to the world. If you ever drive by “Saint Anthony’s Catholic/Orthodox Church” there is a piece of the Saint in the Alter! If John Paul II or Mother Teresa are ever Canonized, they too will be dug up and cut on.

Strange, aye Protestants? Not to the Catholics and Orthodox - see, you learned something new today! Holy Relics!

By Jesse's Girl

June 17, 2008 1:55 PM | Link to this

Aaahh…the oil slick provided by Benny Hinn and his ilk…thanks guys!

By DiscipleOfChrist

June 17, 2008 1:58 PM | Link to this

It is always interesting to see the results of such forums. One thing for certain, the two sides of distinction will always be evident; the believers vs the non-believers. And then there is always the ‘tweeners, neither hot nor cold.

But what is more interesting is the believers always point out the truth, the good things about being a believer and doing the things believers do, such as VBS (and nobody disagrees), but we always fail to point out reason why.

Just as non-believers are always ready to give reasons why they espouse their opinions (and they are only opinions), we believers must always be ready give reasons for the hope that is in us (1 Peter 3:15), standing firmly on the foundation of the Word of God and our testimonies (as many have done here).

By the way, VBS is not just for kids. To the ‘tweeners (who just may want to know the truth), I recommend you attend a VBS, you might just find out the truth for yourself.

Sola Scriptura,

DOC

By Sandy_G

June 17, 2008 2:00 PM | Link to this

Bosch, Thank you for pointing out my mistake. Yes, I meant to say denomination instead of religion. By the way, I’m the daughter of a Christian minister, went to church, vacation bible school, sunday school, had home bible study classes, etc. on a daily basis from birth to about the age of 18. I also had access to my Dad’s extensive book collection on the christian religion, I attended other churches and I’ve attended, Catholic, Episcopal, Baptist, Methodist, Presbyterian and Lutheran churches, taught Sunday school and even hung out with the Mennonites in our community as a child. I’ve also taken college classes in Eastern Religions like Buddhism, Doaism and Hindu beliefs.

By Elizabeth

June 17, 2008 2:02 PM | Link to this

I grew up in a very NON religious household and my parents encouraged my brother and I to attend VBS with friends and neighbors. We loved it and usually attended several VBS’ along with several “regular” camps.

By JeremiahWright

June 17, 2008 2:03 PM | Link to this

This blog was only started to open the floodgates for the hateful religion bashers. Nice.

By Sandy_G

June 17, 2008 2:04 PM | Link to this

I’m a Christian, Episcopalian to be specific, who doesn’t believe in heaven and hell, that Christ rose from the dead (that’s gross) and all the other hocus pocus stuff.

I just have to ask (with all respect), if you don’t believe in the resurrection of Christ, then what is Easter about?

By C.

June 17, 2008 2:08 PM | Link to this

How about just going to VBS, or not going, and sparing the condescension? Nobody is making you go, and if you resent the fact that VBS exists… well, that’s too bad.

By believer

June 17, 2008 2:11 PM | Link to this

Poor Lauren and other non- believers. I feel so sorry for you all and I pray for those who do not believe in The Lord Jesus Christ. I am no “holy roller”, just a normal, 30-something Mother who doesn’t know how people in this world make it without knowing my Savior. He hasn’t come back yet; there is still time. Do not face judgement without being saved. You will be sorry. God Bless you.

By fastkat

June 17, 2008 2:19 PM | Link to this

To all the heathens in this world; you should know you are responsible for your children, therefore, sending them to VBS would be something you would want to do…that is if you ever plan on seeing them in your next lifetime!!!!!!

By Thor

June 17, 2008 2:20 PM | Link to this

Being Saved: another big difference between Protestants, Catholics/Orthodox.

Once saved, always saved - or, you’re going to be judged by Christ on death.

Very far apart…

By Jesse's Girl

June 17, 2008 2:29 PM | Link to this

Some of you extremists…on both ends of the spectrum…need to realize that no battles are won with your attitudes. I find a good glass of wine and solid-truthful conversation works well for me! But I’m just cool like that:)

By Bosch

June 17, 2008 2:50 PM | Link to this

Sandra_G,

Easter has several meanings for me - all based on renewal.

Although I haven’t practiced this in the past couple of years, I usually am a firm believer in observing Lent - a time of self-reflection, meditation, etc. So in one way, Easter is the time to start putting some theories I’ve been reflecting upon into practice.

The mythology and symbols, to me, are all metphors which help me when I am either enjoying life or struggling with it.

I don’t believe in the mythology of Christianity, I believe in the message of it.

By Bosch

June 17, 2008 3:02 PM | Link to this

Okay, just re-read my post @ 2:50 - I think it’s impossible to “usually be a firm believer” in something. That’s what happens when you re-think as you are typing and forget to edit.

By Deno

June 17, 2008 3:03 PM | Link to this

Who Cares!! It’s free babysitting for one week a month where the mom can actually clean up the house and go to the grocery store. The kids love it. And, they learn a tiny bit about the Bible in all their fun! Quit writing so much into it!

By DebraL

June 17, 2008 3:06 PM | Link to this

Catholics don’t use the bible-What are you smoking????? That is not true and you should have such a rich religious and cultural and literal background as we catholics….

By RespectAllreligion

June 17, 2008 3:10 PM | Link to this

How come summer camps don’t offer any other religious book learning like Quran, Torah. I wish camps could offer something like learn Abrahamic faith which would atleast include three religions (Christainity, judaisim, Islam) with same same GOD or religion in general. Teach them learn to be tolerant of other religion, race, culture and language……..

By Bosch

June 17, 2008 3:12 PM | Link to this

believer@2:11,

With all due respect, you said you are no “holy roller,” - I’d really hate to know what your definition of holy roller is.

By Sandy_G

June 17, 2008 3:18 PM | Link to this

Bosch, Thanks for your views on your religious beliefs. My sister-in-law was just ordained recently as a Deacon in the Episcopal church. I’ve followed her journey through the seminary and have had many wonderful discussions with her about the Episcopal church and about her personal beliefs.

I can say that I have been turned off by some Episcopalians who looked down on evangelical christians, however, my sister-in-law expressed interest in my beliefs, listened and I was overjoyed to find out that she believed many of the same things that I did and to this day, she respects and shares in my joy regarding developing a personal relationship with Christ. Just two weeks ago, I sat in the National Cathedral and participated in her ordination service and communion. Although the traditions and teachings of different churches vary, I am convinced that true christians share the same core beliefs and worship the same God. What is the popular saying? Sitting in church doesn’t make you a christian any more than standing in your garage makes you a car!

I can say that there are many people in my own church whom I disagree with and some whom I aspire to emulate. It just goes to show you that regardless of what the sign says over the church doors, we are each individuals, each at different places on our own spiritual journey and we share one thing in common…God created us to love him and to love each other. If we fail to do that, the rest rings hollow and is just for show.

By FCM

June 17, 2008 3:23 PM | Link to this

JJ- Like JG said, the heck you say, I am praying for you—for the surgery and any other thing I feel like. Mostly because I like/respect you…as much as person can in cyberworld.

At large:

The sanctuary where we hold Sunday services has been home to a synagogue and their services on Saturdays. A Catholic church gave up their fellowship hall to my father’s company when his office building burned down. We had Muslim people (they told us) come in on an Easter Sunday (to my current church) and announce were damned because the minister is a woman. One of my ministers said he served Hindus communion because they came to the table and we do not believe in turning anyone from the table. We have had atheists in Sunday School…..My point is that it is only by opening up ourselves/churches/minds that we begin to truly minister to people…VBS is one way to do so.

I am very fortunate to have the Godfather I have. He told me (I was 15) that I could and should question everything that I was taught in church. Jesus was 12 and questioned the rabbi’s…and those who have read what followed know that was only the beginning of His questions.

By JJ

June 17, 2008 3:37 PM | Link to this

FCM Thank you too. It’s very comforting to know my “cyber buddies” care.

How’s the new job? Have you started yet? Are you enjoying it so far? Details baby, details!!!!!

By mary

June 17, 2008 3:39 PM | Link to this

Lauren and the other non-believers. I think you’re afraid to believe because you might be forced to examine your short-comings and faults, and better yet, your children would have to examine your faults as well! Wow, that would be pretty painful for you, I’m sure. I am so thankful for the kind, gentle spirit and selflessness of all those who serve Him. You go ahead and send your spoiled, self indulged children to an overpriced, earthmotherish, save the “house-fly” camp.How torturous it might be for them to learn of the love of Jesus! You’re pathetic and you’re one of the reason our society is so broken.

By Bosch

June 17, 2008 3:45 PM | Link to this

Sandra_G,

Episcopalians are a weird and varied bunch.

I love the National Cathedral - especially the “space window.”

I too have been turned off by many “religious” folks, but I think it has to do more with the person than with their religion, and I think certain people with certain personality traits tend to follow certain denominations.

That’s just my theory anyway.

By Thor

June 17, 2008 3:48 PM | Link to this

How Many Christians Does it Take to Change a Light Bulb?

Charismatic: Only one. Hands already in the air.

Pentecostals: Ten. One to change the bulb and nine to pray against the spirit of darkness.

Presbyterians: None. Lights will go off and on at predestined times.

Roman Catholic: None. Candles only.

Baptists: At least 15. One to change the light bulb and three committees to approve the change and decide who brings the potato salad.

Episcopalians: Three. One to call the electrician, one to mix the drinks and one to talk about how much better the old bulb was.

Mormons: Five. One man to change the bulb and four wives to tell him how to do it.

Unitarians: We choose not to make a statement either in favor of or against the need for a light bulb. However, if in your own journey you have found that light bulbs work for you, that is fine. You are invited to write a poem or compose a modern dance about your light bulb for the next Sunday service, in which we will explore a number of light bulb traditions including incandescent, fluorescent, three-way, long-life and tinted, all of which are equally valid paths to luminescence.

Methodists: Undetermined. Whether your light bulb is bright, dull, or completely out, you are loved. You can be a light bulb, turnip bulb or tulip bulb. A church-wide lighting service is planned for Sunday. Bring a bulb of your choice and a covered dish.

Nazarene: Six. One woman to replace the bulb while five men review the church lighting policy.

Orthodox: None. Orthodox don’t believe in change.

Amish: What’s a light bulb?

By Bosch

June 17, 2008 3:56 PM | Link to this

Thor,

“Episcopalians: Three. One to call the electrician, one to mix the drinks and one to talk about how much better the old bulb was”

Exactly.

We can’t do anything without a drink first.

By Jen

June 17, 2008 4:06 PM | Link to this

The Unitarian version is hil-ar-ious!

By Mike K.

June 17, 2008 4:20 PM | Link to this

With comments like mary’s @ 3:09, can any of the believers here wonder why us atheists get tired of the Christian “love” pushed on us all the time?

By catlady

June 17, 2008 4:58 PM | Link to this

I went to VBS (Presbyterian) all my life. When I went to my grandmother’s to visit, I got to go to the Baptist VBS. Loved all of it. I enjoyed helping, but never wanted to teach because I am a teacher by profession.

My children have been to Methodist, Presbyterian, Episcopal, and Baptist VBS many times in various cities growing up, and enjoyed the fellowship, food, and fun. Sometimes they came home with questions. Good! What an opportunity to discuss Important Things!

One thing that has been strange for me is the prevalence of VBS at night where I live in Georgia (very rural). My experience was always in the morning, and in the cities we have lived in VBS was in the morning there as well. Is evening VBS a rural thing?

Also, off topic, I have NEVER been to a revival! Not sure I would have taken my kids to one, either. My mother used to say, “My dear, the Presbyterians consider ourselves to be in a CONSTANT state of renewal.”

How does taking your kids to revival work out?

By Lauren

June 17, 2008 5:06 PM | Link to this

MAD, how does it make me self righteous just because I don’t want to be around people whose religious practices and beliefs I find offensive. I have a right to my opinions and live my life and guide my children as I see fit. Just like you.

By Lauren

June 17, 2008 5:16 PM | Link to this

Mary, you don’t know anything about me and nothing about how I raise my children or what kind of camp or school they go to. Yet you used an entire post to judge me and blame the whole ills of society on me and people “like” me. You have no idea who I am and further more you have no idea what you are talking about. You are a judgemental shrew! Perhaps you should take some advice from that good book you claim to know so well “judge not lest ye be judged” You are just the kind of person who gives southern Christians a bad name- loud-mouthed, judgmental, intolerant hate-mongers. If I was gay, I would marry a woman just to tick people like you off!

By jimbo

June 17, 2008 5:22 PM | Link to this

Oh man. I went to vacation bible school as a kid. You know, kids only get so many summers. You realize that when you grow older, especially if you miss a couple due to extenuating circumstances (Basic Training or AIT with the Army for example).

I think there’s nothing like learning about God’s glory out in his greatest creation, the world. Send those little suckers outside to play in the world. Hopefully you have a place like we did as kids, where there were creeks to explore and ponds to fish in and you could really connect with the world day in day out all summer long.

To have those days again.. not to sit in some extended sunday school session but to walk barefoot in creation.

I can’t remember a thing we discussed there. I don’t go to church now unless I’m cornered. But I can remember walking with my mother at the Atlanta Botanical Garden as clearly as if it were yesterday.

As for the bible thumping judging bunch. Exposing my flaws and self deprecating? No one does it better than me, except maybe the occasional jew (I do love those people). Yeah, I’m a heathen, or maybe I’m hippie.. or maybe I’m a pagan. All I know is I’m a lot more accepting of peoples’ faults than you appear to be.

By jimbo

June 17, 2008 5:25 PM | Link to this

I am happy to see that it looks like a lot of kids, church goers or not will at least be brought up by people who have a healthy sense of humor. Kudos there.

By Thor

June 17, 2008 5:26 PM | Link to this

Meow! Cat Fight!

By jimbo

June 17, 2008 5:30 PM | Link to this

C’mon Steve, not in front of the moms.. even the terrible, judgmental ones.

By Turner

June 17, 2008 5:48 PM | Link to this

VBS is just another excuse for the Church to pass the collection plate..

When it comes to church I home school my child.

By BlondeHoney

June 17, 2008 5:54 PM | Link to this

Thor @3:48, that was the BEST post today on this blog

By Shane Parrott

June 17, 2008 6:06 PM | Link to this

to thor and the rest of the so called atheists. as a believer i wish you all the best and i will pray for you without ceasing. i hope you come to know the one that died for you. i dont mean to sound argumenative but i do get offensive when i hear one say that the man who died for YOURs and my sins doesnt exist. i hope you trulu have a damascus road experience but if you dont on that day that will come remember this..I TOLD YOU SO. god bless

By Shane Parrott

June 17, 2008 6:06 PM | Link to this

to thor and the rest of the so called atheists. as a believer i wish you all the best and i will pray for you without ceasing. i hope you come to know the one that died for you. i dont mean to sound argumenative but i do get offensive when i hear one say that the man who died for YOURs and my sins doesnt exist. i hope you truly have a damascus road experience but if you dont on that day that will come remember this..I TOLD YOU SO. god bless

By Ang

June 17, 2008 6:35 PM | Link to this

I have visited many VBS during my lifetime as well as taught many years at VBS. It is a lot of fun. I try to be a good christian and not judge other and strive for fairness and to do best by everyone. We have a prominent church member that was once an atheist, but he did the research and found that Jesus did exist. For those of you who are atheist or a non-believer - that is your perogative. Maybe if you did the research, you would find the truth as well. When you try to “shelter” your children/family from religion, aren’t you really sheltering them from history? History is made up of all kinds of religious beliefs. I don’t believe that people evolved from monkeys, but I’m not going to keep my family from learning about science stuff. If you really want your kids to think for themselves, then you should allow them to experience all sorts of beliefs. Based upon the posts on this blog, this is not going to happen. All the atheists/non-believers seem to feel too threatened about this idea. Also when you atheists/non-believers push to get rid of people’s right to pray and have their christian thoughts, you are taking away christian’s constitutional rights. I get really irritated about that. Where is the fairness and freedom? And to the condemning christians, you might not agree with how others think of feel, but it is not right for you to condemn them and be all judging - this is just what pushes people away from christianity.

By Lauren

June 17, 2008 7:36 PM | Link to this

Hi Ang, Just a correction; atheists don’t think Jesus never existed, we know he did. We just don’t believe he was the son of god or a god himself. Big difference. I find it interesting that several people on this blog, maybe not today but other days, have said I am going to hell and then have the audacity and total lack of irony to call me self-righteous. Let me tell you something, religion is, at best, faith. There is no concrete proof to anything religion tells us. No concrete proof of heaven or hell. No concrete proof of god. Only the words in the bible and faith. If you want to have faith that is fine; I respect your right to believe as you so choose. Why don’t you so-called Christians respect others’ rights not believe? You guys are totally intolerant of oposing viewpoints and all you can do is point fingers, judge and tell me I am going to hell. Well, I am not impressed.

By BetsyWetsy

June 17, 2008 7:42 PM | Link to this

Ang, I have to tell you, I can think of lots of fun things to do and attending VBS is not one of them. Call it sin, but the good lord made it feel good for a reason. Sounds like your lady needs to make you smile because you are way too excited about Vacation Bible School. Seriously sweetie.

By Leah

June 18, 2008 8:19 AM | Link to this

Yes, my child attended VBS and he loved it! It was held by a Church of Christ, we are Baptist. I think it’s a positive way to keep kids busy and learn about religion while having fun. I think many religious people need to learn to incorporate their religion with daily life and understand that religion isn’t always something stuffy that makes people dread even the thought of worship.

By Mike K.

June 18, 2008 9:26 AM | Link to this

Ang you said:

Also when you atheists/non-believers push to get rid of people’s right to pray and have their christian thoughts, you are taking away christian’s constitutional rights.

Atheists are pushing to outlaw prayer? Really? Or are you referring to prayer in school, which IS a violation of the 1st Amendment? I find it amazing the persecution complex of a group that makes up over 80% of the population in this country.

BTW Lauren, not all atheists think Jesus existed. Quite frankly there isn’t enough evidence outside the Bible to prove it.

By DB

June 18, 2008 11:37 AM | Link to this

Hehehe — I am ROFL at all the Baptist references - as if Baptists are the only ones that have VBS! Yes, I went to VBS as a child, and my kids went, and I taught, and I even spent a couple of years as the VBS chairman. The kids seemed to have fun — I know I remember it fondly.

What I found interesting was the tendency for all the tennis moms to schedule their VBS attendance throughout the summer. Believe me, these moms know exactly, from week to week, who has VBS, and they sign their kids up accordingly. Talk about cheap child care! We only charged $10 ($20 for non-members). The only thing we asked is that the little ones be potty-trained. Naturally, one mother lied through her teeth about her child being potty trained, and in the first hour, he had messed up his pants. We called her to come and get him and her answer? “I’ll be there in an hour and a half, my match is up next.” Unbelieveable. When she showed up, we handed her her $20 and gently explained that he was not ready for VBS. She was mightily offended —odd how people who are taking advantage of you get downright abusive when you call them on it.

If you don’t like the Baptist brand of VBS, there are a WIDE variety of others - Methodist, Episcopal, Lutheran, Unitarian, etc., etc. :-)

Thor, thanks for the giggle! I’ve read that before, and laughed hard — especially since I’m Episcopal!

By Jesse's Girl

June 18, 2008 11:57 AM | Link to this

You guys are CHARGING for VBS? Odd….we don’t do that. Now if its an all day kind of thing…I can understand. Our’s is in the evening for 3 hours at a time. For free though….we “ain’t cho daycare” is my motto.

By Wazzup

June 18, 2008 2:52 PM | Link to this

You don’t want your kids learning about “religion” since it cannot be “proved”…yet you are overly concerned about Global Warming. Yeah, that makes sense….

By DB

June 18, 2008 5:01 PM | Link to this

Jesse’s Girl, I don’t know if they still charge, but it was a small fee, and it covered from 9 am to 2 pm every day for the week.

Sandy_G, I’m glad you had a chance to visit the National Cathedral. It’s beautiful, isn’t it? The last time I was there was for the installation of the current dean — I always try to go when we are in the Washington area. One of the most poignant parts of the Cathedral, to me, is see how worn the Braille inscription is on Helen Keller’s tomb.

By carrie

June 23, 2008 4:32 PM | Link to this

Our church doesn’t do a VBS. Instead, we have Backyard Bible Clubs where people can invite their neighbors over for Bible Club. I’m teaching one this week, and it’s been really fun! It’s only about an hour and a half, and parents are more than welcome to stay.

If you don’t want to send your kids to VBS, that’s fine, but why do you feel the need to belittle those who have made that choice for their children? And, yes, I do believe that as a parent, I am given the responsibility for their religious training. I make sure they mature physically, mentally, and emotionally, why would I not worry about their spiritual maturity as well?

By Jamie

June 26, 2008 10:23 AM | Link to this

My 6-year-old daughter is attending her second VBS this week and is loving it! The nice thing is she’s seeing some friends from kindergarten, too. We don’t attend church very regularly so it helps assuage some of my mama guilt. ;)

I just discovered this blog in doing some research for my own blogs. I’ll be back!

p.s. I love the phrase, “I went a little Baptist on them…” Ha!

By Biji

July 9, 2008 8:31 AM | Link to this

I enjoyed VBS when I was a kid. We (My siblings) use to hop to different church and it was fun learning all the Bible stories, action songs, doing craft and having snacks. I want my kids to enjoy that kind of life and grow up the way I did by knowing Jesus and be nice & kind to others. It teaches the kids how to interact with others, kids without harming them even with a touch, a look and words. It is not just learning Bible (By the way I did grew up in another country were majority of people believe in other Gods) May God Bless.