MOMania

By past50mom

February 21, 2007 8:34 AM | Link to this

Never had a minivan, never will. Just say NO!

By super dad

February 21, 2007 8:40 AM | Link to this

You’re already driving an Aztec…what could be more embarrassing?

By beth

February 21, 2007 8:47 AM | Link to this

I would rather drive an “old person’s car” like a Grand Marquis, Crown Victoria, or a big ole Cadillac instead of a minivan.

But I guess those cars would work for 2 kids only. Not 3 carseats.

My friend has a van and I don’t mind riding with her.

Don’t be ashamed of the van, back in the day, families only had one car and the dad drove it to work! :>)

By Georgia

February 21, 2007 9:12 AM | Link to this

There is absolutely nothing wrong with driving a mini-van. I had one for years, but now have an SUV, that I would not trade for anything!!!

It’s a small two door SUV, but I feel safer in it than in my old sports car.

Toyota makes the best mini van, my mother has one and it seats 7 of us comfortably……The Sienna, which I believe is the safest mini van on the road. The power doors for the back seats are the greatest.

By Rod

February 21, 2007 9:14 AM | Link to this

My wife is due March 25. I have an SUV (Highlander) and she has a 2-door Accord. Something’s gotta give because we both want to be able to drive our son around. She’s opposed to the Minivan concept, but I hear there are lots of benefits (like clicking the remote as you approach in the rain and having the door totally open). One way or another we need a new vehicle. I see three choices as:

1) 4-door car such as an Accord or Camry.

2) Small SUV like a Honda CRV or a Toyota RAV 4 (Consumer Reports love both).

3) Minivan like Honda Odyssey or Toyota Sienna.

Yes, we’re pretty much interested in a Honda or Toyota. Are the minivans worth the “look” and what I believe would be decreased handling?

By eye roll

February 21, 2007 9:15 AM | Link to this

Love/Hate relationship with mine. Got a Windstar because it does have the best safety rating. However it has more problems as it gets older and needs to be in the shop often (expensively). However, I love that I can haul stuff in it, take long trips and have DVD player in it for those trips.

I am looking at a 4 door sedan for local use and keeping the van for weekends or trips.

Biggest hate: fuel cost! $60/week to keep it going for day to day.

By Joyce

February 21, 2007 9:15 AM | Link to this

To paraphrase John Wayne: “A Mom’s gotta do what a Mom’s gotta do.”

I think the embarrassment about minivans has more to do with saying an official, conscious goodbye to our (so-called) carefree youth than anything else.

Let me add as a disclaimer that my husband is the one with the minivan in our family. When we had to replace his 12-year-old SUV suddenly, all we could afford at the time was a used minivan. I don’t think he’s embarrassed to drive a minivan, but I do know that he misses his Trooper a lot!

By Theresa

February 21, 2007 9:41 AM | Link to this

rod — I think this decision depends on how many babies you think you’re going to have and how quickly you are going to add them —— I think for one baby you do not have to have a minivan —- if you know you’re going to have more kids close together then you might consider it —-

as much as you guys are ragging on my Aztek —I have to say it has worked great for me — I could fit the double stroller in the back part — (those strollers are huge!!) — (Rod with any car you need to make sure the stroller will fit — my girlfriend struggled everyday to stuff her single stroller into her accord’s trunk —

If we just had the two kids i would have continued happily driving my aztek the kids were both very comfortable it in and we could fit all the stuff we needed on trips —— but while that third car seat “fit” it was a struggle —-

other thing — all my friends drive the Honda odyssey — but we went in there on monday and they were just not ready to wheel or deal — they’re like we’re honda we don’t have to cut prices (and the interest rates weren’t very good) — so my husband’s like OK we’re out of here —- we leave put the kids in hte car and the salesman comes running out and he knocked $5000 off the price —

we ended up getting a town and country and they were willing to deal — cut money and had a 0 percent interest

and it has all three rows side curtain air bags which was really important to me

didn’t want to make sophie’s choice of which child do you throw in the back seat which wasn’t as well protected — (email me at ajcmomania@gmail.com if you want to know the dealership — they did a really great job)

By Theresa

February 21, 2007 9:44 AM | Link to this

One other thing I would add is we checked the internet for deals before we left and some where just internet deals —- Chrysler had $4000 off or 0 percent financing for 60 months but only if you contacted them through the internet — so before we left to go and look we sent notes to like four or five different dealerships to find out their best prices — so while i was test driving cars my husband was on his treo getting emails and calls on what the other dealers had to offer — sending out the email to the other dealers was the best move we made —

By momofthree

February 21, 2007 9:47 AM | Link to this

When we became parents, I swore I would NEVER drive a minivan. Two years later, I was the proud owner of a minivan with automatic doors, etc. I loved it, because it made carrying two young children and all of their accoutrements much easier.

When I bought the minivan, I swore I would NEVER drive one of those full-size SUVs that get horrible gas mileage and take up the whole road. Now, with three kids growing taller and requiring bigger carry-ons (sports bags, book bags, best friends, best friends’ book bags), I’m loving my Yukon. The gas mileage stinks, but it’s not much worse than my van was getting by the time we sold it. The kids have plenty of elbow room, and it makes my job as family (and friends) chauffeur more pleasant. Although I will admit to being embarrassed when a French friend visiting the States rode with me this summer and proclaimed my car was bigger than his living room in Paris.

The minivan served its purpose. The SUV is now serving its purpose. One day when the kids are grown, I’ll go back to the small stuff, but until then, I’ve learned never to say never.

By Nate

February 21, 2007 9:56 AM | Link to this

Hello All, I think for me as a father of 3 the only thing that comes to mind when I see a minivan is “Daddy Day Care”..I think there’s a negative connotation that comes with a minivan that gives off a “Boring Parent” vibe..where as with an SUV it gives off a more cooler/hip vibe even though you’re a parent.For example, when my wife and I go out on a night in the town..even she has admitted..she’d much rather pull up in an SUV or her honda accord than she would a minivan..she agrees with me to an extent that minivans just scream “SOCCER MOM” or in my case “DADDY DAY CARE”

By Jeff

February 21, 2007 9:57 AM | Link to this

OK, I’m a single guy, no kids. I LIKE my 2 door civic.

Alas, I know that as my family grows so must my car. That said, I am NOT a fan of large “tank” cars, nor am I a fan of SUVs… so I guess I’m pretty well stuck with a minivan if a 3rd kid ever comes along. For two or less I’ll probably stick to a 4door Maxima-type.

By Erica

February 21, 2007 10:00 AM | Link to this

We’re a minivan family as well, although we’re an oddity because my husband is the driver of the van and I drive the little one around in an SUV (Volvo XC90). If more than 2 small kids were in the cardsfor our family (we have a 14 month old & will probably have 1 more), we both would probably both end up with minivans, but we will probably be okay as we are. Nope, minivans aren’t sexy or cute. In fact, they look like little minibuses. But they are so functional for families with kids in car seats. It’s so easy to get them in and out of carseats with the sliding doors. We have an 04 Chrysler Town & Country and it’s had minmal problems, even with 103,000 miles on it so far (hubby drives A LOT) for work. Odessey were a bit high to us when loaded comparable to the Town & Country. Chrysler gives more bang for the buck.

Enjoy your new van!

By scubber

February 21, 2007 10:08 AM | Link to this

Ohhhhhhhh Nooooooo!

This day is coming and I am ready to face defeat. I have tried to ply my wife from her firm belief that a minivan is the way to transport children, especially toddlers as you do not have to bend to get children in and out of the vehicle. Thereby avoiding back injuries. We are vehemently opposed to SUVs, but she does not consider minivans to be of the same ilk.

I have tried to point out how much sexier a Mercedes, Volvo or Suburu station wagon is compared to the boring, non-stylish behemoth bulk of a minivan. Alas, she does not see the same appeal I do for my hipper alternatives. Alas, a minivan it shall be.

I grew up in station wagons and absolutely loved them. Of course they were the size of Cadillacs back then. We had one with the romper seat in the back where all the kids would pile into and make faces at following cars. It was also an ideal place to sit after grocery shopping as you had first dibs on the snacks in the paper bags.

ho hum.

Maybe If I purchased a Bio-Diesel retrofitted Mercedes Station wagon, my wife may change her tune…… [wringing hands with devilish grin as I begin to prepare my plan]

By Theresa

February 21, 2007 10:08 AM | Link to this

Jeff - here’s my issue with the suv for us — (besides the gas mileage)— I think it would be a pain for my 5 year old to climb back to the third row of seats and to get out every day —— i think for momofthree she has older kids who can more easily manage getting into that third row every day(or she may have them all across the second??) — but with that I worry about the droppign of trash and other small objects on the baby - I don’t think my three year old grasps choking hazard for the baby (not necessarily for him)

By Erica

February 21, 2007 10:08 AM | Link to this

I too said I would NEVER drive a minivan. Well, our family now are proud owners of a minivan (04 Town & Country) and an SUV (Volvo). My husband is an oddity because he primarily drives the van, as he says that it’s practical for transporting our little one and for work purposes. He always jokes that his “player” days are gone as he’s just a guy driving a minivan with the Dora the Explorer sunshade on the window. Vans are extremely functional when you have little ones in carseats. While I drive the SUV in our family, if we were planning more than 2 small kids for our family, we BOTH would probably end up with minivans just for their sheer practicality.

Nothing like easy loading of a wiggling todler into a carseat in your van with the sliding doors. It’s AWESOME!!! The Chrysler van seems to give more bang for the buck than the Honda Odessey (which we looked at) and the Sienna. 3 years and 100k+ miles (hubby drives a lot for work)later, our Chrylser is still going strong and has had no major repair problems outside of normal wear and tear.

With 2-3 kids in carseats/boosters at once, a van is a must have. Enjoy your new van!

By Jen

February 21, 2007 10:09 AM | Link to this

I became a minivan convert early in life. First, I am one of 5 kids all born within 9 years. So, my parents had 2 Ford Econolines and 1 Ford Aerostar.

Second, I was 26 when my son was born. My husband drove a Honda del sol! A 2-seater! I had to roll out of it when I was pregnant. We traded it for a Honda Civic. And we also had a Ford Escort.

When my son was 6 months old some college guy in his dad’s enormous jackedup pick up truck ran a red light and t-boned the Civic. Luckily, I was the only one in it…

Anyway, the Civic was totalled. So, when we started looking for a new (used) car we found the best deals were on minivans. And since we thought we might have more kids some day (after graduate school and we had actual jobs) it might come in handy.

Fast forward 6 years and we still have that minivan even though we haven’t yet had another child. And I love it.

I never did understand why people moan and groan about them. But then I don’t attach much cool factor into a car. To me a car is cool if it does what I need it to do.

Here’s what I love:

Some people might not like that but I have met plenty of new people by volunteering my van for things.

:)

By parent of 4

February 21, 2007 10:09 AM | Link to this

Yes Theresa, Town and Country is the BEST minivan. All others just drool that their sight. It handles well on the road. PLUS they have the Sto & Go seats. LOVELY. I can put those seat down with no problem and haul extra stuff if need be. It is great when you go to the drive-in with all the kids and they can just lay down and enjoy the movie (move around a bit in the vehicle too. Did I meantion the DEEP trunk area, DVD player (which is now a MUST HAVE when traveling), 7 CD/DVD player holder, automatic opening and closing of doors, automatic opening and closing of the trunk. I mean just press a button and everything is there. Except drowning out the kids noises in the back at times and to date it has not presented a fresh cup of coffee. You win some and you lose some. As for the switch, giving the kids extra room and the Captain seats (which makes it VERY easy to say no you cannot sit in the front) it was a switch that made us say later on “Why did we try to stay in the Nissan?”. Great investment. I love it.

By Eloren

February 21, 2007 10:12 AM | Link to this

I’ve already compromised my principles by getting an SUV. We aren’t planning on a third child, but if it happened, I would want to try to make it work with my current vehicle, but I’m not opposed to minivans. The Odyssey actually uses the same base as my SUV :-) The Sienna (especially with all the bells and whistles) can apparently make you forget you are in a minivan. Mostly what I’d look for is Safety Ratings - the Consumer Reports evaluations of SUVs played a large role in which ones we would even look at, and that will remain true for any future vehicles that my children will be spending time in.

By Jeff

February 21, 2007 10:19 AM | Link to this

Jen,

I must say, I was CRACKING UP at your last reason!

A question to those who actually HAVE kids:

Is “playing” really that difficult that you start seeing side bonuses to large vehicles?? Fortunately for me so far, I live alone and my gf lives in a family sized house with her sister (my gf has the master bedroom).

By Ava

February 21, 2007 10:19 AM | Link to this

Ok so you all loved your mini-vans.

That’s great - however, during a recent conversation with friends, each of us made the point that mini-vans drivers were one of the worst on the roads.

Hogging the left lane, going nothing close to the posted speed limit, kids playing leapfrog over the seats. Stick with the smaller cars, where you can control your little ones better, instead of screaming at them from behind the wheel and unable to do a damn thing about it but slow down and get flustered at the kiddies, while p#!sing the rest of us off.

So, if you already want that stigmatism, then by all means go ahead & purchase the mini-van. But your reputation has already been established!

By EAVDad

February 21, 2007 10:23 AM | Link to this

I’m almost 40, I work for the government, I have two kids and, yes, I drive a minivan!

I gave up any pretention that I was cool a long time ago. I’m a Dad and our minivan is a tool of the trade.

Sometimes my friends — who are 10 years younger than me but have two kids — poke fun at us for our minivan.

That is until they try to figure out how to get two adults, two kids and all the groceries in a sedan. That is until they are running through the parking lot in the rain without automatic door openers. That is until their oldest son looks says he wants to “Go in minivan!”

No I’m not cool. But I’m comfortable!

By fk

February 21, 2007 10:26 AM | Link to this

We have owned two minivans since becoming parents, although not concurrently. The primary reason for purchasing the minivan was for our 900+ mile trips each summer and Christmas. Minivans are more comfortable than SUVs, they have more comfortable passenger space, ride nicer have and easy access to the rear seats, a definite plus with young children. It is easy in and easy out for everyone, including the dog. The captains chairs are always the best choice…no one has to touch each other. I grew up with a lot of siblings and we travelled in a station wagon. You had better have been on good terms with the sibling with whom you would be sharing the shoulder space, otherwise the trip was unbearable. The sto and go seating sounds like a great thing. Do they still make built-in carseats?

By scubber

February 21, 2007 10:27 AM | Link to this

Besides the Minivan debate between my wife and is another vehicle related source of contention - the dreaded bumper sticker from the child’s elementary school.

I work in advertising and can spot a marketing attempt when I see it. Not to sound too paranoid, but sometimes I wonder if ‘Stop’ signs are just a blatant attempt to force me to give pause and be be forced to make a buying decision on the spot. Okay, it’s delusional, but it is a career where every word, font, copywriters scrawl has a pointed cause for impact and it often spills into the real world for me.

I digress.

The stickers seem like an advertisement for the school offered as an innocuous merit award for the little one’s efforts. I came from the generation where you never received this type of recognition and eye this trend suspiciously.

I would be very proud of my child bringing good grades home from school and would reward them handsomely. But will father put a sticker on his car? No way kiddo. Maybe if my child becomes a Rhode Scholar at the age of six I may consider taping the sticker from the inside of my rear window, but adhering a cheap vinyl advertisement to promote the school and that my child is an excellent student at their preschool will never happen.

I know, I am horrible. But I have a deep-rooted aversion to bumper stickers. I will not even start discussing my view of the 14” diameter magnetic soccer or tennis balls people place on their vehicles….

By Jennifer

February 21, 2007 10:28 AM | Link to this

I traded a beautiful 2-year old Volvo on my Sienna and while it was painful to see my Volvo go, I love my Sienna. I have 2 small kids and often end up with extra children. I haven’t paid a penny for maintenance (negotiate that into the purchase). All I’ve done is fill it up with gas when needed. I love the sliding doors, the storage, everything. I might look like a dork but I’m not out to impress anyone. My van is nice to drive and very suited to our lifestyle.

It’s true that minivan drivers can be very annoying, but I don’t drive that way. Before I had kids my husband and I joked that apparently you lost part of your brain when you purchased a minivan because of the slow-pokes we saw driving them. Now it’s the phone-dialing drivers that are the most inconsiderate.

By Jennifer

February 21, 2007 10:38 AM | Link to this

Oh, absolutely no bumper stickers unless one of my kids discovers the cure for cancer or something!! No soccer balls, faux-shattered windows with baseballs in the middle, no “Go, Cody, Go #4” murals painted on my windows. I’ll let the kids spill their goldfish and crayons on the inside, but no kid decorations on the exterior, please.

By hipmama

February 21, 2007 10:45 AM | Link to this

I too grudingly relented to the Minivan when I was pregnant with our 2nd child. Our car-based SUV rollover stats had recently been downgraded and I knew we needed a safer car. The minivans had side curtain airbags and good safety ratings. We debated between that and the Subaru, but they want just as much $$$ for the Subarus and they have way less room than the minivan. We bought our van used from a private person and saved the sales tax of a dealer and avoided depreciation … Also bonus - our extended family lives 13 hours away, so our trip home was much easier this year with the van. I pumped breastmilk in the back (AC outlet ) and then sat in the third row while feeding the bottle to my youngest. Then I just climbed back up to the front - no need to stop!

By des

February 21, 2007 10:47 AM | Link to this

With the news yesterday that gas is going up, WHY?

By Jen

February 21, 2007 10:48 AM | Link to this

It’s pretty ridiculous to make a statement that implies a vehicle will CAUSE behavior….ie, minivans make bad drivers.

When I was in school it was said that red heads were easier than girls with other hair color. That used to make me mad. I am a red head and I wasn’t seeing any action at all! Where was the action? I wanted my share of the action and by that statement I should have been getting the LIONS share of the action. But, noooooooo!

So…there…it’s silly to make those kinds of statements.

By lwa

February 21, 2007 10:51 AM | Link to this

We just recently purchased a new SUV vs. the minivan. I just couldn’t go it. My kids are 14, 6 and 8 mos so the two oldest can get in the car themselves. No problem on that decision. The new Ford Expedition XL is large enough for all of our ‘stuff’ when we take trips. I know the gas is going to kill me but it is worth it.

To Jen, I can “co-sign” on just about all of your points regarding our new SUV. Hey, the third row folds down flat. Lots of room back there.

By Jen

February 21, 2007 10:51 AM | Link to this

I’m a great big lefty so I like to hold my van together with lefty bumper stickers.

It’s amazing how many people will flip off a woman in a minivan. I just tell my son they’re waving at us…

By scubber

February 21, 2007 10:52 AM | Link to this

@ Jennifer

I had all of the things you listed in my poison pen to list as well, dut did not. I am laughing now as I type!

Go, Cody, Go #4 - That is funny. In a pathetic, strange-but-true way.

What is up with parents who let their children place ANY and EVERY sticker from their birthday party favors arsenal on the minivan? Have they no pride?

By lwa

February 21, 2007 10:53 AM | Link to this

I agree Jennifer, no bumper stickers. I don’t even want the name of the car dealer on the back of my vehicle. That is free advertising for the dealer as long as I drive the car.

By hondaman

February 21, 2007 10:58 AM | Link to this

We bought a Honda Odyssey in 2004 and love it. Not only is it great for getting kids in and out, but it’s a blast to drive. With 240HP it’s got plenty of getup and go…and it also has excellent handling. This aint your momma’s minivan.

By Jen

February 21, 2007 11:02 AM | Link to this

@Iwa,

Sure, but I only paid 11K for my minivan and I get better gas mileage than an Expedition. My mom drives one of those now. She says that after driving a Ford Econoline for a couple of decades she couldn’t get into a regular car. But that sucker is hard on gas! And costs a LOT more.

By CAC

February 21, 2007 11:03 AM | Link to this

When we first found we were expecting another child, my husband encouraged minivans. I, however, was interested in the new crossover vehicles (smaller than SUVs). But on the inside, they didn’t seem much bigger than cars. So we looked at the Odyssey and fell in love. It’s like a mobile command center where we can change clothes, nurse, change babies, carry 2 strollers, and basically every thing we might need. It’s not fun to park or back up in tight spaces, but it’s a true pleasure to drive. I highly recomend it and am not ashamed at all to drive it—it makes my life more manageable.

By Vicki

February 21, 2007 11:17 AM | Link to this

We just purchased our 2nd mini-van, the 1st one lasted 10 years. We were looking at the Town and Country but ended up with what I thought was our best deal for the money. It’s a 2006 Monterey fully loaded with all the bells and whistles. We bought it early January with a great mark down $9000 off the sticker. Love the seat warmer!!!

What I love about driving a van is that you can see over most vehicles and can adjust to the situation as needed.

I agree. There are some pretty bad drivers in our city. To me the most annoying are the BMW drivers.

By Yeah, I said it

February 21, 2007 11:31 AM | Link to this

why are you so worried what other people think? it’s a vehicle that moves you from one place to another, who cares what it looks like. Why so vain?

By Yeah, I said it

February 21, 2007 11:32 AM | Link to this

why are you so worried what other people think? it’s a vehicle that moves you from one place to another, who cares what it looks like. Why so vain?

By scubber

February 21, 2007 11:38 AM | Link to this

Yeah… and you said it twice!

By maggie

February 21, 2007 11:39 AM | Link to this

i do not understand whey some people feel embarrassed driving a minivan. You do not need it of course when you do not have kids. But if you do have kids, that is the best car! I am not a SUV fan. Maybe when kids both grow up, I will buy myself a convertible.

By Jen

February 21, 2007 11:42 AM | Link to this

Heck, when it’s just me I drive a motorcycle…but if I have to actually move more than me around my minivan is the best.

By Nikita

February 21, 2007 11:42 AM | Link to this

I don’t have kids and I don’t understand what’s so horrible about minivans. I drive a station wagon — I have friends without kids who own a minivan ‘cause it’s the easiest way to transport their 3 dogs. Drive what’s best for you to drive — not what’s best for your ego.

By anne

February 21, 2007 12:02 PM | Link to this

Here I was worried about a major new report on global warming and those polar bears dying n’ stuff (sooo cute, just wanna hug them!) but now I see it’s not about my contribution to the silly old environment at all … it’s all about me!

I think I look “cool” and “hip” as I spew forth pollution from my SUV or minivan driving as fast as I can (while talkin’ on my cellphone-natch!) toting little Bubba and Betsy to soccer, gymnastics, baseball, ballet, origami (for beginners), pottery, painting, chemistry, chess and Tai Chi.

By scubber

February 21, 2007 12:04 PM | Link to this

Could the minivan manufacturers make a minivan designed for family safety and with the ability to convert to a hip lead sled?

Maybe the roof could be taken off, or better, sto-and-go™! Just like the old Buick Skymasters from yesteryear or your beloved Town & Country of today. It could convert into something that resembled a modern day Willis Jeep or classic Ford Bronco with the windshield folded down and a flat profile along the top side.

But wait.

If minivan manufacturers ever did raise the profile of their humble multi-passenger vehicle it would surely uplift the public perception, but unfortunately ruin the minivan image forever more. Teenagers will buy them en masse. Throws dubs on them, or worse, lift kits and monster tires. Undercarriage lighting with hydraulic bounce rigs, oversized bass and tweeters in the back, insurance premiums surpassing those of Porsche owners.

You will begin to see ‘Minivan Trader’ near the counter at the convenience store. Families all over America will dread the news from the detective searching for their stolen minivan that it was unfortuanetly found professionally chopped in pieces, stowed away in a cargo container bound for Chinese black market traders.

Aaaaaaagh! [breath in….breath out…..]

Perhaps the minivan should stay, as is. An odd-shaped, bulky blob of steel and plastic. Not sexy, not cool and never hip. The world could not handle the burden of a cool family car. We have not yet evolved to that level of intelligence and responsibility.

ho hum.

By Erica

February 21, 2007 12:08 PM | Link to this

I figure we’ll have these familymobiles until the kids are off to college…and then… my husband and I will each get our cool cars. and hey, maybe Mercedes and/or Porsche will have a really cool looking performance space mobile (cause that’s how long we’ll be driving kid friendly cars). Til then, we’re some minivan driving, Mommymobile SUV having folks!!!!

And yes, we DO have a sticker on the back of one of the cars… gotta show some love for the Georgia Bulldogs! GO DAWGS!!!!

By Amy

February 21, 2007 12:13 PM | Link to this

I have 2 kids (ages 2 and 5 months), 2 dogs, and a husband, and somehow all of us can fit quite well into our Mazda 6 wagon with just a little thought and effort. Wagons are roomy, fuel efficient, and handle much better than minivans or SUVs, which is super important with all the crazy drivers out there. And the new wagons are pretty hip on the inside, too, since most were originally designed for the European market. Of course, we also make conscious choices about what we drag around town or on car trips, as opposed to parents who take a chest of toys, a huge coller, a 50 lb “travel system” stroller (what a joke to call those behemoths a travel system!) and a potty with them wherever they go. But it works well for us and we save a ton of $$ in gas. Plus it’s easy to parallel park, which is important since we live in the city.

By Ray

February 21, 2007 12:15 PM | Link to this

If you have dogs or prefer driving vacations; consider a van. My ‘04 Sienna XLE Limitied has laser cruise control, which makes me forget it’s a ‘minivan’.

By Georgia

February 21, 2007 12:15 PM | Link to this

I don’t know why everyone is opposed to SUV’s. I personally love mine, and it gets great gas mileage, contrary to the popular belief. I fill it up once a week, ($30-35) and I can go all week on one tank of gas. (I live very close to work). It’s a small two door “sport” model. I can only seat 4, which means my daughter can’t volunteer me to drive for school functions, etc. I have two dogs, and they are fine in the very back.
Never say never though, but I really doubt I will go back into a car, unless it’s a Cadillac CLS…….

By scubber

February 21, 2007 12:24 PM | Link to this

By Georgia wrote: I don’t know why everyone is opposed to SUV’s.

Please rent or buy this movie

You will therein find your answer…

By Georgia

February 21, 2007 12:29 PM | Link to this

An Inconvenient Truth is just Al Gore’s interpretation of his view. Just like Michael Moore’s “documentary” about 9/11.
So the earth’s temp is 1 degree warmer than it was 100 years ago. I really doubt my little SUV is responsible for Global Warming……. It gets great gas mileage, and I am safer in that thing that any sports cars. Especially with crazy Atlanta Drivers. Ya’ll scare me, so I opted for a bigger vehicle.

By Penguinmom

February 21, 2007 12:35 PM | Link to this

I like having a mini-van. I never understood all the ‘emabarrasment’ about it. It’s a car, it gets you where you need to go, the kids fit in easily, end of story.

By DWT

February 21, 2007 12:47 PM | Link to this

Whatever you buy, stay away from American made. There’s a reason they’re all going bankrupt.

By anne

February 21, 2007 12:50 PM | Link to this

Georgia:

It’s not just Al Gore, it’s every top climate scientist in the world. Even President Bush admits that people and their cars are contributing to global warming. Here’s the recent climate change report. Read it. I’ll bet you a full tank of gas (what is it about $100 for your Excelente Status Symbol Mini Tank?) that you won’t be able to still say (with a straight face) that your SUV doesn’t contribute to global warming.

http://www.ipcc.ch/SPM2feb07.pdf

By Nikita

February 21, 2007 12:51 PM | Link to this

Um, no, Georgia. It is his interpretation, but damn if it isn’t backed up by a ton of hard science.

By Teacher's Kid

February 21, 2007 12:53 PM | Link to this

Both my husband and I drive Honda Civics and it’s really the best way to get around DC in parts that the METRO doesn’t cover. If you’ve ever tried to parallel park a minivan in a city, you’ll know what I’m talking about. Considering the fact that gas is up to $2.20/gallon here (and that’s regular good ol’ unleaded) on base, I’m glad we don’t own anything larger. Gas prices may be down in Atlanta for now, but what does down can and will come back up! Food for thought.

By adam

February 21, 2007 12:57 PM | Link to this

We’ve been a minivan family since ‘94. My parents got a 1994 Dodge Caravan, I was in high school and my sister was in middle school. Since then, they’ve always had a Chrysler minivan. We wore out the 94 with 175000 miles in 2000, and got a 2000 Voyager. That has about 100k miles on it, and is now my secondary car and my Grandmother’s primary (she’s 83 and I’m caring for her, but she is still driving - and yes, I know she shouldn’t be). When we shifted things around and I got the 2000 to share with Grams, I helped my Mom find a 05 Town and Country. They’ve completely redone the interior, but my Mother feels like there is no difference in the handling between the 00 and the 05. We love them, and most likely we’re going to get an 08 when they come out. We’ve test driven several different models - from almost every manufacturer and nothing compares to the Chryslers.

By Georgia

February 21, 2007 1:00 PM | Link to this

Where can I find this “hard science”?

By Rita

February 21, 2007 1:04 PM | Link to this

Back in 1998 (with 1 child @ 2 years old), my husband gave me the option of three vehicles I could purchase: Toyota Sienna, 4Runner or Ford Explorer. I actually chose the minivan (after years swearing I would NEVER drive one) and absolutely loved it! Drove like a dream for 8 years(needed new transmission which Toyota replaced for FREE due to recall). Sold the van this past Fall and the new owners sent us a Christmas card saying that they love the van. How often does that happen? Our family plans changed and we only had 2 children instead of 3. So when it came time to purchase a new vehicle, I got a mid-size SUV. I have to admit that after my minivan days were over, I couldn’t wait to drive something different!
I highly recommend a top quality minivan (Honda or Toyota) if you have small or more than 2 children. Both vans are built off a car frame and they both are excellent vans.

By Jennifer

February 21, 2007 1:10 PM | Link to this

I owned a Grand Cherokee ages ago and there’s no way I was getting into another Chrysler product. In my opinion, wear and tear started showing pretty quickly on the interior and steering feel. My Sienna is the same as the day I bought it 3 years ago. I think I read the resale value is highest in Toyotas and Hondas, too, but forgive me if I’m wrong since someone will obviously correct me if I am! Toyota and Honda both drove vans out to me when I was shopping. I only went to the dealership to pick the color I wanted and to sign the paperwork. I’ve been really happy with the service department, too. I’m a big Toyota fan now.

My husband drives a newer Lexus and it causes him much less pain to drive my minivan than to allow our grubby kids into his car!

By Fulton County Mom

February 21, 2007 1:14 PM | Link to this

Momof3 I hear you. There is a little sporty 2 door, 2 seater, convertible with my name on it as soon as the kids get done with college! I do love the car I have right now but I sure miss my sports car (had to sell it when first child was born b/c there was no back seat!)

By Fulton County Mom

February 21, 2007 1:30 PM | Link to this

@ Jeff:

I never seemed to have trouble finding time to “play” if I wanted too …however, a change of “scenery” (like the van) can be fun…so even if your g/f does have the Master Bedroom…move around ;o)

By Rita

February 21, 2007 1:44 PM | Link to this

I have to agree with the Chrysler products - they tend to be very unreliable. My husband had an Intrepid as a company car and it was a piece of junk. Both my sister-in-laws purchased Chrysler minivans (T&C, Grand Caravan) around the same time I purchased my Sienna, and they were not happy. Problems on top of problems! Both families will tell you they wished they had spent a little more to get the Toyota product. My husband and I are Consumer Reports junkies - they have never let us down with their picks and advice!

By Rita

February 21, 2007 2:00 PM | Link to this

Jennifer: My 98 Sienna XLE with 130,000 miles (fabric seats/no sunroof)sold for $6500. We were thrilled since the Toyota dealership only offered $2000 to trade in. I kept the oil changed (keep the records)and kept it clean. Drove this car for 8 YEARS and it probably has another 100,000 miles to go on it. Took almost 4 weeks to sell, but worth it for the money we made. The new owners were specifically looking for the year/model since it was all they could afford. Like I mentioned earlier, the new owners are thrilled with the Sienna.

By Jen

February 21, 2007 2:04 PM | Link to this

My apologies if this is a partial re-post because I accidentally hit a key while typing up my post….

So, Georgia, you want to know where all this ‘hard science’ on global warming is?

Well, how about in SCIENCE:

http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/search?src=hw&site_area=sci&fulltext=global+warming

And, if you’re wondering if this is some left-wing propaganda rag you should understand that Science is a highly-respected research journal in the scientific community:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_%28journal%29

It has an Impact Factor of 48.78, which makes it the second highest prestigious scientific journal, right under NATURE (IF=51.97).

And what does NATURE have to say about global warming?

http://search.nature.com/search/?spa=sp1001702d&spsfvlfield=subject%7Cujournal&spt=results&spq1=Nature&spx1=ujournal&spp1=phrase&sp_q=global+warming

So, there you are. Hard Science about global warming in two of the mostly highly respected journals in science resarch.

Newer minivans are flexfuel, which is a good contribution to the environment. Biodeisel would be great, though…

By Jody

February 21, 2007 2:04 PM | Link to this

I was excited about getting a minivan because I felt I would be a “real” mommy then! However the circumstances that led to our minivan purchase were not great. I absolutely love Mustangs and most other sports cars,so my 1995 forest green, tan interior “baby” was a keeper (even when my one year old had to practically cross his legs to sit in his car seat). And our 2 door Cougar was so cute. We were planning to have more children so giving up one of the sports cars was inevitable… Long story short we were down to just the Mustang and it was totalled in an accident :-( My hubby was fine, not a scratch, but the car… I just deleted the photos from 2 years ago, memories were too painful. Anyhow, I love the minivan, it’s comfy,convenient and definitely safer than a sports car, bonus: it has the 6 cylinder, 3.8 liter engine that reminds me of my beloved Mustang. Our second car will be a sedan (searching now) and one day again I’ll own a Mustang. There is an odd stigma with minivans, but hey I’ll accept that to keep the little ones comfy and safe while I hum Mustang Sally and drive along.

By Becca

February 21, 2007 2:18 PM | Link to this

I have Baby #2 on the way and I drive a Chrysler PT Cruiser. It’s large enough for all four of us when baby comes and has storage and the seats fold down to haul stuff and it doesn’t look like a mom mobile. I love it! I was one of seven children growing up and all we ever had were Chevy Suburbans and Minivans from Chevy, Dodge, Chrysler and I HATE THEM! If I end up having more kids I will have to move into a larger vehicle , but I think I’ll stick with two and get that 2 seater in less than 20 years!

By Pam

February 21, 2007 2:23 PM | Link to this

I once didn’t have a liking for minivans and now 3 kids later (and very close in age), I DO plan to get one when they outgrow the age of me being within arms reach while driving. I currently have an SUV that gets good mileage, so don’t think that all SUVs are gas guzzlers. Envoys, BMW, Acura MDXs, and Volvos XC90 get great mileage. I average 19.5 mpg. However, minivans are the way to go if you have more than 2 kids.

By Cletus Snow

February 21, 2007 2:29 PM | Link to this

The Kia Minivan is an absolute jewell, and it has a 10 year 100,0000 mile warrenty.Ours has 88000 miles on it without the first problem,as a matter of fact we’re driving it to Tacoma Washington next week, It’s the best car we’ve ever owned our other car is a Hyundai Sonata nice car but not so roomy,we love them both.

By itsmorenamorena

February 21, 2007 2:49 PM | Link to this

Hell to the nah! I’m a closet mini-van fan. Ever since I saw about a dozen Candy Apple Red Chrysler Town & Country Mini-Van’s with the gold kit trim lined up in a parking lot at Walt Disney World about 11 years ago, I have been IN LOVE with mini-vans! I do want that Town & Country. I’m single without a dependent to my name, but I swear my next ride will be a mini-van!

By MinivanMike

February 21, 2007 3:00 PM | Link to this

When we needed a bigger car, we reasearched all the SUVs and minivans out there. In terms of saftey, seating, and cargo space, the minivan (it’s a Sienna) was the winner, hands down. The fold-down seating and automatic doors are convenient and the gas mileage is better than mid-size SUVs. It’s my wife’s vehicle, but I’m not embarrassed in the least when I have to drive it, knowing I made a really smart decision and am not one of the SUV sheep.

By Margaret

February 21, 2007 3:28 PM | Link to this

We would have loved to have a minivan when the children were growing up. Now that they are grown and we have grandchildren, we have a minivan. Had company this weekend and all eight of us were able to go and play in the snow. If we had cars, we would have had to take two vehicles. Us seniors like the minivans as well.

By Antoine

February 21, 2007 4:04 PM | Link to this

If I wanted to be the first one to an accident, I would drive one.

Let the poor people drive one, I will stick with my stupid SUV.

The good thing about mini-van’s is I can see my mistress’s at lunch in a parking lot. They do have value after all.

By Ginny

February 21, 2007 4:17 PM | Link to this

I drove a minivan (Chrysler Town and Country) for 6 years and loved it. It totally fit the bill for hauling 2 kids (and all their gear and their friends and their friends’ gear). My favorite features were the auto opening doors and the fact that the kids couldn’t touch each other. Our children are now 14 and 8, so when we traded it in, we decided to get a midsize SUV. Honestly, the SUV we got gets better gas mileaage than my minivan EVER got. So, I’m not feeling guilty about that. I firmly support any family with 1, 2 or more kids getting a minivan. Logistically, you might only need it for a few years, but it’s still a good investment. Sometimes it pays to be practical, you can be “cool” later.

By Ronin

February 21, 2007 4:27 PM | Link to this

You already have an Aztek? What a loser!

By Suga Mama

February 21, 2007 4:31 PM | Link to this

I think some many vans are really nice, they are roomy and all but I could never imagine a mini van being my everyday vehicle. I have two boys who are active in sports but as long as SUV’s exists (I have a Ford Expedition) I can’t ever see myself in a minivan. I have a 34 year old sister who drives one. She looks rediculous. Ok that’s a bit harsh. But she’s a young woman. For me personally, minivans DO NOT compliment my style. When I go out with friends to a nice resturant or a cool bar it would be pretty embarrasing valet parking the minivan. HA!

Ladies were more than just mothers, were indivisuals, were sexy, were attractive, we have style class and grace. Get a car that exemplifies that. I’m not saying go into an absorbant amount of debt, just lose the minivan or let your husband drive it and YOU drive the Lexus.

By minivans are a Mess

February 21, 2007 4:34 PM | Link to this

MInivans Appear to be sloppy and for overweight people.That is all I seem to see in minivans .OH no.I have 5 kids and weigh 125 pounds .I need to keep it hip and a minivan does not allow that for me.

By Theeny

February 21, 2007 4:38 PM | Link to this

I LOVE my best friend’s Honda Odyssey mini-van. We are next door neighbors and I often help her out with her 13-month old twins. Sometimes I’ll drive the minivan and let me tell you, it is a dream. I have toyed with the idea of getting one for myself, but I just can’t justify it as a still-single woman without children.

By Emma

February 21, 2007 4:40 PM | Link to this

Mini-vans have higher safety ratings than SUVs—which have a greater tendency to roll-over in accidents. It’s why we traded in our Ford Explorer for a Honda Odysessy. Better safe than sorry!

By Jennifer

February 21, 2007 4:57 PM | Link to this

If my husband wants a minivan, let him get his own and keep his butt out of my Sienna! I’ve had many new “hip” cars over the years and my Sienna is my favorite. When it comes down to it, I don’t give a flip what other people think of my car! It’s newer and fully loaded and holding it’s value.

By Daddy Zog

February 21, 2007 4:57 PM | Link to this

Our kids are now 10 & 11. We are on our 2nd Sienna mini van and we love it. I have no problem being a Dad driving a mini van. Of course the kids would rather have a Hummer.

By greg

February 21, 2007 5:31 PM | Link to this

I would encourage those of you in the market for a minivan (or any other car, for that matter) to check out Consumer Reports ratings - especially the reliability ratings - before you buy. The money you “save” at the purchase point on the Chrysler, Ford, or GM you will spend several times over in repair bills, plus enjoy the frustration of being without while your mini is on the repair rack. Stick with the Toyota or Honda -you can’t screw up with either by any measure.

By Jen

February 21, 2007 5:49 PM | Link to this

I understand the need to feel young and hip. I do. But I achieve that by living in Candler Park and walking everywhere I want or driving my motorcycle around town with my friend Nancy (I have a 150 bike and she has a 150 scooter - pink).

I also feel pretty hip in my minivan because it’s so freakin useful.

I guess if I had to spend a LOT of time in a car I’d buy….a minivan. Can’t beat them for comfort, either.

Antoine there is so many kinds of wrong in your post…

By Jen

February 21, 2007 5:59 PM | Link to this

Oops, I mean luxury car. See that, in my haste to be cute I totally screwed it up!

By Shelley

February 21, 2007 7:02 PM | Link to this

All I’ve got to say is I love my Toyota Sienna minivan. It’s excellent in carpool, just hit a button and the side door opens right up. My six and four year old sons love. There are plenty of cup holders all over the van for a latte or kids sized juice boxes. It’s extremely comfortable on trips to Florida. I have been rear ended 3 times by uninsured driver’s no one was hurt in my van. I was hit on I-75 in rush hour traffic and it barely made a dent. The biggest dent on my van is from me hitting a mailbox in my subdivision. There is a steel bar behind the bumper that protects the passengers in the van. Noo ne has ever been hurt. I was hit on Sixes road by an illegal and there was a huge dent on his Dodge truck and just a little scratch on my van. If safety is what you are looking for and comfort I highly recommend the Toyota Sienna.

By Cali girl

February 22, 2007 6:29 AM | Link to this

I’ll stick to my Chevy Tahoe—jacked up, modified dual exhaust system and tinted windows.

By mom of 3

February 22, 2007 6:33 AM | Link to this

When I was younger I swore I’d never drive a station wagon, a van, a minivan or any other type of vehicle with fake wood graining on the outside! However, when you have a family of young childen…you tend to drive at least one of the above! I’ve driven all but the fake wood sides. I loved my van, mini van and station wagon. I’ve even had an older suburban that once saved my life when a tractor trailer t-boned me at 50 miles per hour!!! But, we’ve all gotten much older and larger and I think I’d like to have an old international with fake sides and tell the kids they do need to be in the touch skin to skin zone for rest of their lives!(there’s nothing like riding in a car I wished my mom drove when we were kids…

By Guibu

February 22, 2007 7:52 AM | Link to this

I have a minivan, and it’s long been paid for. I have no car payment, but I do have extra money to buy whatever I want, and need.

By Doug

February 22, 2007 8:13 AM | Link to this

I managed to fit all three car seats across my Aztek’s backseat.

Anyone owning or driving something as ugly as a Aztek should not be allowed to raise kids.

By Tina

February 22, 2007 8:45 AM | Link to this

I had for many years an old (1994) Audi 100 Wagon, that I LOVED! We had many adventures in that car. Once it started on the slippery slope of car repair nightmares, we looked at a lot of wagons and crossover vehicles. We ultimately settled on the Honda Pilot. It’s not quite got the “oh G-d I’m a suburban housewife” thing going on, and is great for all our crap. The back deck is excellent for on the go diaper changing. And, we have gotten eight (four in car seats) in the vehicle for a full-multifamily ride. The downside about the Pilot is that it seems like there are 100 in every parking lot (unlike the Audi), and that’s a bummer. My mother in law used to have a Town & Country and traded it for an Odyssey. The Odyssey is fine, but she still speaks of regret about getting rid of the T&C.

By Nikita

February 22, 2007 9:19 AM | Link to this

Honestly, if you think a minivan is cramping your style, then that’s a statement about you rather than the car. Kind of like middle-ag