By Lindsay

July 9, 2009 3:06 AM | Link to this

Sure will be interesting if this minor soon realizes when he loses how much money he will be paying. I hope he loses his entire college money doing this. I bet they even did not consider the costs if they lose, momma and daddy please pay my 6 figure reality game costs !!! As a taxpayer we have to assure our govt follows through and passes the attorney fees, and any eatras right to the child and his legal guardians who are responsbile. And stay off the steets until you are legal age. Ha ha !!! <— don’t vote, don’t drink, don’t buy anything, don’t even go out of the house… this is how much a good person you are you don’t deserve rights because you’re under a certain arbitrary age I just established for you!

By FED UP

July 3, 2009 8:16 AM | Link to this

Too all these people who are stating good for this young man don’t impede his civil liberties. I don’t believe our country was founded on MEN worried about a CHILD’S liberties. Back in the day this kid would have gotten a big fat kick in the butt with a swith that his OWN father made him get from the tree in their back yard. And then after his parental encounter he would be forced to go an apologize to all and any indivdiual he caused havic too. What happen to those days, when the parent was the parent and the child was the child. It seems we have reversed the roles and allowed these children to play “adults” long enough. Where are the parents while their son is arguing? Oh wait he is at a private BOARDING school in BOCA! Mommy and Daddy shipped him off so we now can deal with him. Nice!

By anon

July 3, 2009 7:32 AM | Link to this

I was 16 not too long ago, and I too at that age thought my parents were nuts for placing me on a curfew. I was in my mind an adult. Now 3 I realize how much of a “non” adult I was. Though this young man’s efforts are commendable (I think everyone should fight for what they believe in) I believe the curfew should be in effect. Even grown adults don’t know how to handle them selves after a certain hour. The problem is kids these days think they know it all even though they are only a child and some parents these days either have no back bone or careless to keep their children in check. I don’t care who you are, as a parent its your responsibilty to teach your child to repect any type of authority. Maybe if we began doing that the authorities wouldn’t have to enforce a curfew. Its sad when in todays world a child gets caught doing something they shouldn’t and the people in place to protect and serve not only get a punk kid to deal with who thinks they are right and know it all. The very next day they also get the parent calling complaining about how their prescious “JR” or “PRINCESS” was treated. If some of these parents would take the blind folds off and realize that their “JR” or “PRINCESS” is actually a punk breaking the rules set in place to protect the people around them, then maybe just maybe a curfew would not have to be placed into effect. So teens everywhere if you want no curfew start talking to your friends and band together to start being law abiding young adults, and then maybe your actions will begin to speak louder than just some words coming from an arguement. We adults already know how much teens love to argue. (Trust me was I one of the best arguers) But actions do speak louder than words so start having us hear your issues instead of listening to your gripes. Besides what would you do with no curfew. Hang out on the sidewalk? I mean really, what is there for you to do after a certain hour. Go to bed, get some sleep, you will need it when you REALLY become an ADULT and time is going faster and faster and you are just running to catch up. ENJOY being a kid stop rushing to be an adult. Its really not all its cracked up to be. Filled with sleepless nights, bills, work, stress, more work and did I mention NO SLEEP!

By b

July 2, 2009 5:50 PM | Link to this

rich punk white kid from Boca trying to act like a big shot just for the attention. Lets see this kid in his suit hang out by the Movie theatre at city place when all the thugs from Tamariand ave and rosemary are there. Lets just say i think he would drop his stupid attention gettting lawsuit. Life is a little different outside of your fathers gated community loser. Lives in Boca Raton, goes to a private school, and his little youth rights club is in daddy’s offic. what a chump

By South Beach

July 2, 2009 3:52 PM | Link to this

Although, on the other hand, I will say that it’s much nicer to not have loitering kids around. Still, don’t know if it’s the best answer.

By South Beach

July 2, 2009 3:45 PM | Link to this

I was a teenager when they made a similar law in South Beach. Once they banned us from even walking around the area, we would just get drunk and drive around all night. Real safe.

By Florida Native

July 2, 2009 2:58 PM | Link to this

Sure will be interesting if this minor soon realizes when he loses how much money he will be paying. I hope he loses his entire college money doing this. I bet they even did not consider the costs if they lose, momma and daddy please pay my 6 figure reality game costs !!! As a taxpayer we have to assure our govt follows through and passes the attorney fees, and any eatras right to the child and his legal guardians who are responsbile. And stay off the steets until you are legal age. Ha ha !!!

By NANCE

July 2, 2009 1:32 PM | Link to this

I REMEMBER WHILE GROWING UP ‘60’S & 70’S, THE COMMERCIAL “IT’S 10 PM, DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOUR CHILD IS?” A “MINOR” HAS NO BUSINESS BEING OUT AFTER 10.

By CLU

July 2, 2009 12:52 PM | Link to this

I agree with Mr.Nadel. I am 20 years old, and when i was 17 i was homeless and lived in downtown wet palm area because i was taken in by someone who lived at an apartment next to clematis st. I didnt have a car when i became homeless, and since i lived in and worked in the area i would walk back anf fourth between CityPlace and Clemtis St. district. I think the crime problem can be attributed to the homeless people that street walk and harass people for money, then kids having a good time in the city THEY LIVE IN and are apart of.

By McCavity

July 2, 2009 12:16 PM | Link to this

If the law is overturned, then the first person that gets mugged and every other person that is vicitimized by the downtown teen thuggery should sue the Nadel family because the parents are untimately respsonsible for their chld’s actions.

By Joe Smith

July 2, 2009 11:58 AM | Link to this

This guy’s efforts should be applauded. I agree that the curfew has certainly had positive impacts in the form of decreased crime in the downtown area, but accomplishing this goal through the limiting of civil rights seems unjust. Sure, reducing crime through more traditional means will be more expensive then simply implementing this blanket curfew, but, legally, I believe that’s what’s most appropriate.

By WPB resident

July 2, 2009 11:36 AM | Link to this

My question is, does this curfew affect Mr. Nadel directly or is he speaking for the teen populations that hang out at CityPlace for the sake of speaking? I live in Wets Palm, I visit Mizner now and then but I don’t know the area enough to speak out against its regulations. I go to CityPlace and downtown area quite often and I certainly agree with the curfew. Are you familiar with the area and its crime rate at all, Mr. Nadel?

What are you teenagers going to do after 10pm in an area full of bars you cannot get in?

I applaud your youth rights efforts but not all 16 year olds are levelheaded and the laws were made to protect the general public. Perhaps you should leave the confinement of your home or daddy’s office and go check out the less-than-pleasant neighborhoods to see what life is like.

Enjoy your summer, fill out your college applications and may be you can join the student government when you go to college. In the meantime, let our government worry about the laws.

By Florida Native

July 2, 2009 11:07 AM | Link to this

I hope this overanxious minor is prepared to pay all the court costs and attorney fees when his case is lost. Sure you can try to sue, but no matter what he is told by momma and daddy who allow this nonsense the loser will pay. I hope they go broke after their reality show effort is thrown out.

By AMP

July 2, 2009 10:47 AM | Link to this

MR. Nadel should spend some time in the criminal justice system cleaning up after the teenagers that brought about the necessity for a curfew. What purpose does a teenager have in lingering in a place where the stores have all closed and the only establishments open past curfew are bars. It seems as though Mr. Nadel is making a fuss about something he doesn’t quite understand for the mere purpose of drawing attention.

By PBG RESIDENT

July 2, 2009 8:56 AM | Link to this

If I had my way I’d say make the curfew at 9 instead of 10. Nobody seems to get the message - THEY BEHAVE LIKE WILD HEATHENS - so nobody wants to go to City Place. Don’t like it? Demonstrate some civility, manners, respect. Don’t litter, don’t scream and shout, don’t knock into people running around in stores, jumping in front of cars, etc. The kids are their own worst enemy - not the government. IF they were well behaved, this wouldn’t be an issue. IF they were adults, the cops would have ushered them out of City Place or be charged with a myriad of minor offenses. Rather than fix the problem, EVERYONE attacks the only solution. The gov’t can’t confront the parents and tell them they are worthless and raised losers, so that’s why they put the curfew in. Parents of these kids should all be sterilized so they can’t breed anymore - because they certainly don’t know how to raise them.

By Silver Spoon

July 2, 2009 8:48 AM | Link to this

This is just a ploy to get him accepted to an Ivy League school, by having this on his enrollment application… hey kid, when you start paying taxes like the adult world you can have a say… the bottom line is this area is an entertainment zone, with hardly anything but alcohol related activities that late at night… these kids are trying to play grownup, and this will only lead to bigger issues… go play in your backyard at Mizner and let the Boca snobs take on your issue… this in the public interest, and for the public good, as well as for the enjoyment of the adult, tax paying population… this is not Downtown Disney… I don’t agree with the new seat belt law, but believe it was enacted for the public good and in the best interest of the public, and will abide by it… sometimes your personal liberties are unfortunately affected in an attempt to do what’s best for the whole… get over yourself and your silver spoon…

By Florida_Kes

July 2, 2009 8:24 AM | Link to this

“”A curfew’s not the way you address crime,”

Sure as heck is! If parents refuse to be parents, the society has to play the role for them.

By Ray

July 2, 2009 8:04 AM | Link to this

I give this boy alot of credit. As a retired law enforcement officer, I disagree with the curfew as well. If the young people are breaking other laws, they should be locked up. It is simple but to have a curfew is wrong.

By Gated Communities

July 2, 2009 7:54 AM | Link to this

The Kid from the land of pristine lawns, face lifts and gated communities “boca”…..against the troll who allegedly illegally advanced the building of That CITY HALL Monstosity and banned the feeding of homeless people in Downtown West Palm.

They are both publicity seekers.

What does a 16 year old boca kid care about WPB…..anybody think he was put up for this by Mommy and Daddy?

By Downtown Resident

July 2, 2009 7:39 AM | Link to this

Great, we have this spoiled brat who probably lives in an upscale gated community in Boca trying to influence the health,safety and welfare of people like me who have purchased a condo and live in downtown West Palm.

I live in the Strand and heard the gunshots (including at least one murder) back when Nadel’s constituency was running free on weekend nights before the curfew.

How about this Mr. Nadel: Have your parents open your house to minors on Friday and Saturday nights.

By az

July 2, 2009 6:00 AM | Link to this

The ends should never justify the means. Even if the mayor is right in stating that this young man does not understand the impacts on local government and law enforcement, those practical ends can not and should not be at the expense of people’s, even young people’s, civil liberties. The justifications for WPB’s curfew are dubious at best, if not, at worst, statistically contrived. Letting the courts decide whether the time, place and manner restrictions imposed in this ordinance and the supporting factual data warrants the lose of the civil liberties complained of by this young man’s efforts is a good and proper course of action. He should be commended for standing up and trying to make a difference.

By daniel

July 1, 2009 11:42 PM | Link to this

you need to go back and guard the sandbox boy. you are quickly becoming another of what we could do without in this world!

By daniel

July 1, 2009 11:41 PM | Link to this

you need to go back and guard the sandbox boy. you are quickly becoming another of what we could do without in this world!

By daniel

July 1, 2009 11:41 PM | Link to this

you need to go back and guard the sandbox boy. you are quickly becoming another of what we could do without in this world!

By Florida Smart One

July 1, 2009 10:03 PM | Link to this

Spank the juvenile, firmy. Put him to bed and tell him the shut the hellup. He has no experience and is a spoiled rich child from crime ridden boca. Enough of the parents that are not there such as his !!!

By HM

July 1, 2009 9:39 PM | Link to this

I’m really curious how often some snot nosed rich kid from Boca wanders into downtown West Palm.

The fact is, CityPlace and downtown have been a more pleasant, safer place since the clusters of roaming punks and thugs were told to buzz off.

And he can spout off on Constitutional Law all he wants. Fact is that SCOTUS rulings through the years….from both liberal and conservative led decisions…have said that the magic number for full rights and responsibilities is 18.

Somebody buy this child an ice cream cone and put him to bed.

By Rock

July 1, 2009 9:29 PM | Link to this

I don’t think it’s the cities job to do a parent job. They need to be trying to save money. Plus, adults commit crimes at night too.

By Chris Butler

July 1, 2009 8:25 PM | Link to this

I can’t say that I admire the young man. If his organization is about improving the social lifestyle and rights of juveniles then why doesn’t he try help reduce juvenile crime through the creation of prevention programs. I believe this is another spoiled well to do youth who doesn’t have a clue with real life issues such as crime, poverty and violent deaths. I been witnessing violent deatrhs since I was 5 years old. Further the time and money the city is wasting with this CHILD can be better used to help all these citizens without jobs, education, skills or whatever else is necessary for them to succeed in life.

By Chris Butler

July 1, 2009 8:24 PM | Link to this

I can’t say that I admire the young man. If his organization is about improving the social lifestyle and rights of juveniles then why doesn’t he try help reduce juvenile crime through the creation of prevention programs. I believe this is another spoiled well to do youth who doesn’t have a clue with real life issues such as crime, poverty and violent deaths. I been witnessing violent deatrhs since I was 5 years old. Further the time and money the city is wasting with this CHILD can be better used to help all these citizens without jobs, education, skills or whatever else is necessary for them to succeed in life.

By Joseph Baggs

July 1, 2009 8:11 PM | Link to this

Looked at the photos and can’t believe what scum shows up at a nice location like that. Guess I just have to keep moving farther north. The baggy pants are the icing!

By truthfairy

July 1, 2009 7:43 PM | Link to this

I don’t care who he is or how he dresses. He has the balls to take on Her Majesty Lois of Frankelstein.

By gator

July 1, 2009 7:27 PM | Link to this

Good parenting doesn’t permit teenagers to be out past 10 without parental supervision.

By MomofThree

July 1, 2009 7:22 PM | Link to this

Odds are this kids parents would sue the hell out of City Place if their little “Jr. Attorney” was mugged, accosted or a single hair on his head was mussed in City Place after hours.

By alex

July 1, 2009 6:30 PM | Link to this

As a teenager i must commend him for standing up for what he believes in. but as a citizen of west palm beach i must disagree with him. at night city place transforms from a “mall” to an environment that revolves around bars and night clubs, which isn’t suitable for 15 year olds anyways. and i find it funny that he doesnt live in west palm beach but yet he’s prioritizing “the right to assemble” over public safty. who commutes from boca to city place on a regular basis? name one store that city place has that isnt located within the city limits of boca? He’s just trying to make a name for him self!

By alex

July 1, 2009 6:29 PM | Link to this

As a teenager i must commend him for standing up for what he believes in. but as a citizen of west palm beach i must disagree with him. at night city place transforms from a “mall” to an environment that revolves around bars and night clubs, which isn’t suitable for 15 year olds anyways. and i find it funny that he doesnt live in west palm beach but yet he’s prioritizing “the right to assemble” over public safty. who commutes from boca to city place on a regular basis? name one store that city place has that isnt located within the city limits of boca? He’s just trying to make a name for him self!

By cjs

July 1, 2009 5:26 PM | Link to this

I worked at City Place. My experience with this age group is this: the parnets bring them to City Place, the parents have dinner while their kids are allowed to run around. They go into stores, in groups, totally destory the bathrooms, the stores, break merchandise, and when asked to leave, well, lets say the ‘F’ word and ‘B’ word flows out of their mouths like water. Where are the parents, at the bar having cocktails while the merchants and other patrons are the ones left overseeing their disrespectfully, punk kids…

Perhaps this guy should look around Boca, his home town, to assit with cleaning up their issues and crime…

By Uri

July 1, 2009 5:18 PM | Link to this

This boy has the right to dissent. And he should not be prohibited as long as its not during curfew hours. Maybe what we need is majority rules ballot to decide. Some of us “Grups” have raised our kids, and would like to take a nice quiet stroll after a nice relaxing meal or a movie where cell phones are not going off.

By Biill Neubauer

July 1, 2009 5:01 PM | Link to this

I’m not an attorney, but maybe four decades in newsrooms enables me to read the constitution. The Constitution provides for a freedom of assembly and doesn’t mention that teens who have committed no crimes are excepted. In addition it is certainly discriminatory. If teens are somehow, ipso facto criminals, they should be banned throughout the city governed by those who imposed the law on them, not just the mayor responding to business constituents. This business of inhibiting law enforcement is pure balderdash. Surely we pay the police to arrest people who commit crimes—people of ANY AGE. If the police can’t control crime out in the open in the downtown area. They should turn in their badges and uniforms. Controlling crime is what they are paid for, not discriminating against kids.

By Jonny B

July 1, 2009 4:44 PM | Link to this

Ok, so I’m all for the curfew but some of you people really need to take a Prozac or something. So this guy wants to express his opinion and he has the methods and the means to really get it out there. That doesn’t mean you have to hate him so much. Honestly, it seems that Road Rage has given birth to it’s deveil spawn Blog Rage.

I would love to hear what the businesses in CityPlace have to say about the curfew. If they are against it then we “grown ups” need to deal with the good kids and the bad ones that are ALWAYS around. How about, instead of hating on the kid and teenage angst, you provide something positive in response? Definately alot more constructive than calling a 16 year old boy hateful names.

Try a massage. It does wonders, really.

By Disgusted

July 1, 2009 4:39 PM | Link to this

City Place is a joke. The Mayor created that fantasy land area to impress her Palm Beach friends and at your tax paying expense. Just look at the stores that went in and eventually left down town because they were not in the working persons price range by any means.

Blaming kids and Crime is her way of trying to avoid the fact that she wasted millions of dollars that could have gone to actually improving the lives of the residents of West Palm Beach.

By Disgusted

July 1, 2009 4:31 PM | Link to this

City Place is a joke. The Mayor created that fantasy land area to impress her Palm Beach friends and at your tax paying expense. Just look at the stores that went in and eventually left down town because they were not in the working persons price range by any means.

Blaming kids and Crime is her way of trying to avoid the fact that she wasted millions of dollars that could have gone to actually improving the lives of the residents of West Palm Beach.

By Disgusted

July 1, 2009 4:28 PM | Link to this

City Place is a joke. The Mayor created that fantasy land area to impress her Palm Beach friends and at your tax paying expense. Just look at the stores that went in and eventually left down town because they were not in the working persons price range by any means.

Blaming kids and Crime is her way of trying to avoid the fact that she wasted millions of dollars that could have gone to actually improving the lives of the residents of West Palm Beach.

By TS

July 1, 2009 4:21 PM | Link to this

Here’s a scene from my experience at City Place prior to the curfew: My husband and I are dressed nice, I’m in high heels. We’re walking around casually holding hands, talking. A group of teenagers are gathered just before us taking up the entire pathway and do not move to allow us to pass. We have to go onto the street to continue. We go up the stairs to the theater and on our way another group of teenagers is running down the steps, jumping over the railing, going under the railing, all around us. Their playing something similar to tag, a child’s game. Two of the teenagers are roughhousing with each other, all still on the steps, one gets pushed into me and my husband. I nearly get knocked down the steps. They continue their game of tag, pushing and pulling and yelling with each other, around us. Laughing at my near fall but not apologizing or stopping their childish behavior. We turn around and go back down the steps thinking since these kids came from up there we’re probably better off down below. We go sit to listen to the music. More kids, loud and running around. Why bother?? We left.

My husband and I stopped going to City Place because of all the kids there. Running around, yelling, skateboards, acting like it were a playground. At that hour I don’t want to have to deal with dodging running kids as they bump into me nearly knocking me over thinking its funny. Even the playgrounds are closed at that hour!!!!!

To see some of the young girls how they’re dressed and parade around with nothing open but bars and movie theatre worries me. I see nothing good coming of that either.

What message are you, as parents, sending your children? Get out of my hair so I can have a nice quite evening? Well as parents your responsible for them to if you don’t want them in your hair what makes you think I want them ruining my evening out, which are few and far between as it is.

Now if the kids were not misbehaving in the first place this curfew would never have been put in place. So as far as I see it the kids and the parents forced this curfew to be necessary.

I’m not impressed with this young man or his family. There are plenty of other worthy causes he could be supporting and this is not one of them. Are you going to patrol the area and get rid of the troublemakers and thieves?? Protect the young barely dressed girls from the perverts and drunks? No, I doubt you’ve given that thought, which reflects your immaturity.

By ray

July 1, 2009 4:15 PM | Link to this

Dad’s expertise in internet marketing or spamming as I like to call it, is just being used on his kids future.

Frankel is just a means to an end, a fully paid college scholarship.

I say the old man and the kid are pretty astute.

Astute means cleaver or cunning for all you water heads.

By Alan

July 1, 2009 4:12 PM | Link to this

To Alan: Thank you for proving my point.

To Gator: Heaven forbid the police do their job.

Listen, I grew up in and around West Palm. I had my first job at 13. I worked on Clematis. I played on Clematis. I understand that people want a safe, quiet place to shop and dine. However, the point you all are missing is that it’s not up to a city to decide who should and should not be allowed on the streets. I know you think they’re just kids and have not rights so it’s okay, but it’s that kind of thinking that snowballs into thinking that it’s okay to oppress other groups of people. Kids don’t have money to shop, they shouldn’t be in malls anyway, right? Poor people can’t afford nice dinners, so maybe THEY shouldn’t be allowed at CityPlace.

No one’s saying that hordes or teens should be roaming the streets harassing old people. What they’re saying is that parents should be keeping their children in line and police should be handling the ones who do get out of line.

By grow up

July 1, 2009 4:10 PM | Link to this

While it is true that the good shouldn’t be punished along with the bad, but that isn’t the way of life. Luckily I have never had to use food stamps, health dept., ER at a public hospital to pay my medical bill, BUT I have in TAXES paid for those who have. It might not be fair for me to be punished with taxes for services I don’t use, but it is what it is. The young man is YOUNG. Maybe all 18 yr olds wouldn’t drink and drive, but all are forbidden from buying liquor. The analogys go on and on. When one is 16 or 18 they know it all and the elders no nothing…..then all of a sudden the 18 yr old is 40 and WOW, 18 yr olds know nothing.

By gator

July 1, 2009 4:02 PM | Link to this

Let’s clear the fog for a moment. Before the curfew, city place was overrun with aftican american teenagers from near by neighborhoods (Tamarind ave). people that were there to spend money were frightend, especially when a pack of teenagers came running towards you. I like the curfew. Nothing positive for teenagers happens after 10.

By gator

July 1, 2009 3:58 PM | Link to this

Let’s clear the fog for a moment. Before the curfew, city place was overrun with aftican american teenagers from near by neighborhoods (Tamarind ave). people that were there to spend money were frightend, especially when a pack of teenagers came running towards you. I like the curfew. Nothing positive for teenagers happens after 10.

By Alan

July 1, 2009 3:56 PM | Link to this

oh shut up Alan

By Alan

July 1, 2009 3:51 PM | Link to this

You all do realize that you’re proof positive that age doesn’t make someone an adult, it’s maturity level, something most of you are seriously lacking.

By J

July 1, 2009 3:40 PM | Link to this

You have obviously not been to City Place before the curfew law honey! Like I said before…and maybe you can answer…what do teens have to do on the streets after 10pm????? If anyone can answer that…I would love to hear!

By DarnKidsGetOffMyLawn!

July 1, 2009 3:35 PM | Link to this

You “adults” have seriously lost touch with reality. You’re not worried about crime or safety, you just want the area for yourself without having to deal with an element you feel is disruptive. I’m sorry, but it’s not a city’s right to prohibit a certain class of people from being in a certain place because it believes they’re a criminal element. This is absolutely unconstitutional. Parents are the ones who should be monitoring their children. And the children should be punished if they commit a crime. But all children should not be punished because of the actions of a few. Should we keep all old white men away from Wall Street because of the actions of Madoff? Or how about all keeping all white middle-aged women out of classrooms because of Letorneau. Statistically speaking, minorities in Downtown commit a majority of the crimes. SHould we go ahead and ban all minorities either? No. That’s ridiculous.

I agree that if kids are out in public or in movies, they should act responsibly, but guess what? THEY’RE KIDS. Chances are that you were just as annoying when you were their age. Try and say you weren’t, but you’re lying. Sure, some kids are worse than others, but you can’t punish an entire age group for the sins of a couple of its members.

And for those of you bashing the young man, calling him an attention-seeking punk, you should be ashamed. Here’s a kid who’s fighting for what he believes in. In an age when most kids his age are apathetic to politics (mostly because YOU adults have turned politics into a circus), and causes and standing up, this kid is empowering himself and his generation. Even if you disagree with what he’s doing, at least recognize that at least he’s out there trying to change things instead of hanging out on a website bashing those who are.

By terrence sharp

July 1, 2009 3:35 PM | Link to this

I think people need to understand we’re committed,” he said. “We’re willing to file lawsuits. We’re willing to meet with legislators. And if we need to get something done we’ll get it done.”Willing to file lawsuits? Really? who is paying for these Lawsuits? Does it come out of YOUR allowance? What do you expect to gain from these “Lawsuits?” You are a CHILD, not an ADULT. Boo Hoo. Get used to this for another two years. Know why you cannot do so many things? CAUSE YOU ARE A CHILD, THAT IS WHY. Become an ADULT and then people will care about issues that are important, NOT JUSTA SPOILED WHINY BRAT THAT IS DEMANDING ATTENTION SO he and its bratty friends can annoy even more adults. By the way, How are You getting to West Palm Beach? You are a child that is not Legally allowed to drive.Hmmmm? Gee, then why do you care about a curfew that has no effect on you? Mind your business boy.

By DarnKidsGetOffMyLawn!

July 1, 2009 3:33 PM | Link to this

You “adults” have seriously lost touch with reality. You’re not worried about crime or safety, you just want the area for yourself without having to deal with an element you feel is disruptive. I’m sorry, but it’s not a city’s right to prohibit a certain class of people from being in a certain place because it believes they’re a criminal element. This is absolutely unconstitutional. Parents are the ones who should be monitoring their children. And the children should be punished if they commit a crime. But all children should not be punished because of the actions of a few. Should we keep all old white men away from Wall Street because of the actions of Madoff? Or how about all keeping all white middle-aged women out of classrooms because of Letorneau. Statistically speaking, minorities in Downtown commit a majority of the crimes. SHould we go ahead and ban all minorities either? No. That’s ridiculous.

I agree that if kids are out in public or in movies, they should act responsibly, but guess what? THEY’RE KIDS. Chances are that you were just as annoying when you were their age. Try and say you weren’t, but you’re lying. Sure, some kids are worse than others, but you can’t punish an entire age group for the sins of a couple of its members.

And for those of you bashing the young man, calling him an attention-seeking punk, you should be ashamed. Here’s a kid who’s fighting for what he believes in. In an age when most kids his age are apathetic to politics (mostly because YOU adults have turned politics into a circus), and causes and standing up, this kid is empowering himself and his generation. Even if you disagree with what he’s doing, at least recognize that at least he’s out there trying to change things instead of hanging out on a website bashing those who are.

By kwame dawson

July 1, 2009 3:27 PM | Link to this

the teens DESERVE TO KEPT OUT OF CITYPLACE: WHY? IT is Private Property. That is Why. They can say who is allowed there or not. And, since the constitution allows owners of property to do so, Lil Boy Big Mout Jeffy Nadel and his teenage co horts can stay the hell out of Cityplace after 10pm. What money do you have that You have earned yet,Jeffy? What do have for a job? What taxes do you pay? NONE,NONE,AND NONE. There, then shut the hell up and stay out of cityplace AND STAY HOME AT THAT.

By Jennifer

July 1, 2009 3:26 PM | Link to this

THANK YOU David Kelly! Your right on!

By David Kelly

July 1, 2009 3:19 PM | Link to this

this snot nosed wised a*s little PUNK TEENAGER needs to get a damn job and pay taxes before he even begins to realize what the hell he speaks of. I work in cityplace- i see what these ” HARMLESS” teens do there- specifically the GHETTO teens, and they don’t do anything good. Harassment,, robbery, vandalism, and other lovely things are what they do. FRankel, tho often times an idiot IS SPOT ON HERE: He doesn’t live in WPB, nor should he have any say in this matter.Frankly, He needs to mind his GDDAMNED BUSINESS- as the curfew has made CityPlace and Downtown much much safer. This CHILD is just that -a CHILD, that has yet to WORK A DAY IN ITS LIFE, YET TO PAY TAXES, AND YET TO REALIZE WHAT THE REAL F*NG WORLD IS. This kind of annoying preachyness is infuriating. Seriously, Our City has alot of things better to do than to deal with with SOMEONES WISEASS KID that needs to learn some RESPECT and know when to shut its mouth and mind its/his business. Besides the fact that He lives in DELRAY and not in wpb- so stay the hell outta the Business of West Palm Beach. My Opinion.

By Jennifer

July 1, 2009 3:17 PM | Link to this

Excuse me everyone…but what in the world can a teen have to do after 11pm at night?????? Let me know! NOTHING but hang around and cause trouble! Therefore…there should be no problem with this curfew!

By R.I.K.

July 1, 2009 3:12 PM | Link to this

All teens should not suffer because of a number of bad teens commiting crimes. Statistically a lot of blacks and mexican immigrants are commiting crimes. Do we impose a cerfew on them as well just because of a small number of bad ones? Where do we draw the line? I hope this kid wins his case for the sake of American freedom.

By Jennifer

July 1, 2009 3:04 PM | Link to this

This KID doesnt realize all the teens hang around City Place….or movie theatres…etc. and ruin the peace and liberty of adults to enjoy entertainment for ourselves! Teens have no business “hanging” around these places late at night, and this curfew law definitly helps to keep them off our streets and at home where they belong!

By Maturity of Teens

July 1, 2009 2:57 PM | Link to this

If more teens acted like this gentleman then we would not need a curfew, but go to youtube and put in west palm beach and see the fights and gangs and you know why WPB needs a curfew. Maybe he can turn his actions towards helping these teens have productive lives, get them in school, jobs, etc. Or in the alternative, get the police to be proactive rather than reactive. If we did not have 3-5 officers guarding the diva duck stand at city place then maybe we would not have gang fights one block from the police station. But people, don’t be so angry towards this kid - he is using his brain and taking action, whether he pays bills, taxes, or not. But if he gets the curfew overturned than I except him to come up to WPB and hang out with the teens up here - maybe he can teach them something other than figthing.

By parent fault

July 1, 2009 2:15 PM | Link to this

Another poster said it…this kid lives in Boca Raton and he’s complaining about WPB.

It is apparent that this kid wants to see how many times he can appear on tv and get reporters to write stories about him.

Yeah, who does this kid know at the PB Post, or should that read…who do his parents know?

The kid doesn’t have a job. His parents are supporting him.

His parents pay for his car, his clothes and guess they pay for his bills.

This is another case of parents elevating their children aloft to secure and feed their personal needs.

Like others have stated…get a real life.

This is parental abuse gone too far.

Stay in Boca, where you live.

This kid is just seeking notoriety.

Would love to hear from his peers to see what they think of the dude.

Too involved in himself, seeing his face and name.

Sorry, your parents are so blatant in their disregard of a normal life. Push, push, push.

By KD

July 1, 2009 2:04 PM | Link to this

The city of West Palm Beach needs curfew for teenagers for the entire city not just downtown. I did not vote for Lois Frankel because I did not think that her concern and interest would extend beyond the downtown area. Our children(that includes teenagers) need guidance and structure. All teenagers are not involved in antisocial behavior in the city of West Palm Beach. There is a significant number who are and need to be off the street at night. Many can be seen on the street late at night and are involved in illegal activity and gang activity. A curfew is needed to address this problem. If you live behind a gate and guarded community this may not be a concern. A curfew for teenagers is needed for all of West Palm Beach. I live and work in the city and have been the victim more than once. A curfew has helped many cities prevent problems with our youth.

By dissident

July 1, 2009 1:46 PM | Link to this

Maybe we should keep the parents on a curfew instead of the kids.

By Jordan

July 1, 2009 1:44 PM | Link to this

Stop empowering this little bastard. Go to school, lift weights, hang out with your friends but leave the politics to the adults/business owner who suffer from the mischief caused by youths running amuck late at night. There is nothing of value they are doing hanging out past 10pm. Plain and simple. Start an in-door social club, but stay the hell out of areas you don’t belong. You will be 18 soon enough. As long as crime is down there is no way the curfew laws should be lifted or even further addressed. Get a new cause kid!!! This is merely an attention stunt. Drop it already by ignoring this BS!!!!!!

By bendover

July 1, 2009 1:41 PM | Link to this

The next time a child under the age of 18 is killed running around town at night without adult supervision,DONT BE CRYING THE BLUES!

By squaqnsniper

July 1, 2009 1:37 PM | Link to this

Teens are not adults and shouldn’t be treated as adults.There will be plenty of time in your life to stay out late,like when your mature enough to handle it.

By Big D

July 1, 2009 1:32 PM | Link to this

Go home and spend some quality time with your family and stay off the streetscausing trouble and committing crimes.

By Watersisland

July 1, 2009 1:30 PM | Link to this

You can not make laws to restrict the rights of ALL children because SOME children disobey their parents.

If SOME kids don’t belong on the street at night,their parents need to enforce THEIR rules.

My son and daughter have MY permission to listen to the bands downtown till midnight. For anyone to think that they have the power and authority to write a law criminalizing that —they are really out of touch with THE LAW of the U.S.Constitution and don’t have any business in a govrnmental job. Jeffrey Nadel has a clear common sense approach to thinking,uncluttered with corrupt perversions of law.

By MORE CURFEW!

July 1, 2009 1:29 PM | Link to this

Yes they have constitutional protection: FROM THE GOVERNMENT.

If the businesses in place in Cityplace support the law, they’re the ones that should be listened to. And no, this isn’t ‘locking kids in their houses,’ its simply keeping them out of a certain area. Now, unless you think its alright for minors to enter strip clubs and bars and R rated movies, then you should see how hypocritical you are. And I doubt these kids are getting ‘arrested’ either. they’re being removed from the PRIVATE PROPERTY that they’re LOITERING on.

ALSO. It doesn’t keep all the kids out. The law allows for exceptions as well.

By LP

July 1, 2009 1:27 PM | Link to this

Although I admire the kid, and know there are some responsible kids out there, my point is this to you. You want to be treated like adult, take the consequences as well. So, if you want to overturn curfew because you think your rights are being swept under the rug, be prepared that means your opening the door for being tried as an adult on almost anything from DUI, manslaughter, robbery, etc. And then when they find themselves in jail with the scum of the earth, they will ask, why am I not in juvenile?

By WestPalm2009

July 1, 2009 1:23 PM | Link to this

A Boca teen trying to “take down” the WPB curfew?

How nice of him.

Since the implementation of the downtown curfew, crime in the downtown core has decreased. Correlation? You bethca.

Let Mr. Nadel hang out at Mizner if he feels the need to be out and about after 10PM. The stores are closed, the clubs closed to under-18 patrons, and bars make their money from drinking.

Teeny boppers running around are nothing a nuisance and hazard.

By No More Curfew

July 1, 2009 1:23 PM | Link to this

This curfew is unconstitutional and should be abolished! Look at their rationale cited above. And look at the vagaries of this law. We have a constitution in this country and minors are protected by it just as much as adults.

Locking kids in their houses is NOT the way to reduce crime. Hell, if we lock everyone in their houses, we’ll have zero crime. Do you want to live in that kind of country? I don’t.

Police officers should be spending time arresting people who commit crimes, not kids who are socializing or shopping. If they break the law, they should be arrested. Just like everyone else.

By sensc

July 1, 2009 1:16 PM | Link to this

They need to ask the business owners (all of whom are adults) whether they want the kids hanging around. I’d guess most of them don’t. If thats the case, then keep them out, end of story. The businesses have rights too.

If this kid wants a place for guys his age to go, then he can open his own dang business and keep out all the adults!

By V

July 1, 2009 1:11 PM | Link to this

There’s nothing wrong with a curfew. Kids 16 and under have no reason to be “hanging out” downtown after 10. There’s nothing to do but get in trouble.

This kid is nothing more than a punk looking for attention.

By besirius

July 1, 2009 1:09 PM | Link to this

Well he can talk the talk but I don’t think he can walk the walk.

The Law seems to be written fairly well to me, if it needs certain things clarified then that is a simple matter. Its not a private issue, its a public one. Businesses don’t want crime taking place downtown, ADULTS don’t want noisy teens or the few criminals downtown, and responsible teenagers don’t want to deal with that either.

If you want to go to Cityplace after curfew, borrow a car, thats pretty simple. And since no teenagers will be voting on the issue.

What he should REALLY be tyring to do is change the public’s perception of kids his age, which means getting teens to shape up their behavior. A far more admirable goal, i think.

By Ellen

July 1, 2009 1:05 PM | Link to this

When I was growing up, I had a curfew as well. There is nothing wrong with a curfew. Anybody under 18 needs to be home at 10:00 p.m. We wonder what happened to the kids of today compared to years gone by. It’s because the parents don’t want to take responsibility like they used to. That way, they can blame their chidren’s behavior on someone else. Nobody wants to babysit somebody else’s kids. I don’t have any and don’t want anybody elses. I’m all for a curfew.

By Mel

July 1, 2009 1:04 PM | Link to this

He thinks his constitutional rights are being violated? That is hilarious. He is a child, as simple as that and as a child there are things that he is by law not allowed to do, which also includes, drinking.

Is he going to sue the city to allow him to drink too? Am I going to hang out with him at Bradley’s after 11? Heck no.

I do not want to see teeny-bopers when I am outside. I dont want to go downtown and hang out with a bunch of loud, obnoxious, attention obsessed teenagers. I already have to put up with them at the movies, with their talking, giggling and being completely and utterly rude.

I’ve lost count of how many times I’ve had to ask for a refund because I couldnt hear the movie and I had to leave.

Sorry, until they behave like adults they cannot be treated like adults, and since BY LAW they are NOT adults, then I recommend that little boy stays home after 10 and go with his friends to play the Wii.

Nothing good EVER comes of out teenagers out after dark.

By TeenAngst

July 1, 2009 12:58 PM | Link to this

Go Brah! Time to legalize 420 too. No one likes Frankel anyway, you can do it man!

By LP

July 1, 2009 12:58 PM | Link to this

It’s for safety for pete’s sake. I rather have a kid at a friend’s house then on the street with who knows what’s out there with the loonies. And don’t get me started on voting, most kids don’t pay taxes, and really would vote in line with their parents, not from their heart.

By PAULA

July 1, 2009 12:34 PM | Link to this

Out of the mouths of Babes. Someone needs to take the mayor of wpb down so if it has to be a 16yo GOOD LUCK TO YOU

By To Bad

July 1, 2009 12:27 PM | Link to this

When I was growing up in the early 70’s in california there was a 10:00 curfew in town and it was a great way to keep kids who don’t belong running the street all night home at a decent hour, sure I hated it but if your under 18 home is where you should be. Try explaining to your mother at 11:oo why a cop is bringing you home.No Fun.