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Do Democrats have a double standard about Sarah Palin’s family choices?
Shaunti Feldhahn, a right-leaning columnist, writes the commentary this week and Andrea Cornell Sarvady, a left-leaning columnist, responds.
Commentary
In November, I believe we’ll be able pinpoint when the Democrats lost the presidential election. It won’t be with the electrifying news of Sarah Palin on the Republican ticket, but a few days later when prominent Democrats and the press began publicly questioning whether a mother of five — including a special-needs infant — could or should be a good vice president.
If they had treated her like any other candidate: no problem. But questioning her because she was a working mom suddenly stripped the Democrats of the progressive, tolerant image they’ve spent years building. Democrats have long made their money from attacking conservatives as chauvinistic, intolerant and bigoted, and from positioning themselves as the only champions for women’s rights. And even though that’s all hogwash, it spread — largely because the press believes it to be true. Many younger working women believed it as well and voted for the Democrats in droves.
Then suddenly - here comes a Republican woman with whom working moms can identify. And “women-power” Democrats start the most jaw-dropping, hypocritical attacks. Liberal power-broker Sally Quinn explained that the vice presidency “is extremely time-consuming” and that because Palin’s children have special circumstances, “That is a distraction, and when you are in a position like that, suppose she became president in the next several months, she would have an enormous number of distractions on her hands. And I can’t believe that she would be the dad and her husband would be the mom.”
Wait a minute, did she just say out loud that a woman wouldn’t be able to do a challenging job because her children would be a distraction? That a husband isn’t capable of being just as good a parent? As Rudy Giuliani memorably exclaimed at the Republican National Convention, “When did they ever ask a man that question?”
The impact of this situation comes less from the question itself — it’s healthy to be able to raise touchy subjects — and more from the revelation that the Democrats aren’t the only champions for women and can seem just as “intolerant.” In an era when women are increasingly aware of alternatives to the old approaches to women’s rights, that paradigm shift will decide this election.
Rebuttal
Wow. Talking about shopping around a desperate theory. Now we’re being schooled in feminism by the far-right wing of the Republican Party? Chastised for offending women by Rudy Giuliani, a man who let his wife know of his plans to divorce her via a press conference?
Many have worked to get us to where we are today in terms of parity, but it’s the GOP who tore into the Family Leave Act, slammed proponents of equal pay for equal work and ruthlessly mocked Hillary Clinton for the very parenting philosophy that makes Palin’s complex multi-tasking possible. (And can you even imagine the uproar from that crew if Chelsea Clinton had gotten pregnant at 17?) Apparently “it takes a village” only makes sense if it’s an Alaskan fishing village.
Cries of sexism from such unlikely quarters would be laughable if they weren’t effective at distracting voters from the only concern about Sarah Palin that matters: What if something happens to John McCain? What would a President Palin do on Day One? The more folks focus on that issue, the more they’ll want to put Sarah Barracuda back in the tank.
Democrats aren’t alone in championing issues that matter to women. Many Americans yearn for a commander in chief whose knowledge of foreign policy doesn’t come from a teleprompter. They value a Supreme Court that isn’t stacked with justices ready to force women to keep the pregnancies of their rapists. They want stem cell research. They want schools with fewer teen parents and more sex-ed lectures. They’re amazed by denial of our role in global warming — and disdain for the real work in combating it. Finally, they’d like to elect a true agent of change, not someone who says she stands up to Washington, when in truth she pesters Washington for handouts.
Sure, there’s been a Paris Hilton-level buzz around Alaska’s feisty “hockey mom.” Yet when political window shoppers morph into values voters, they’ll discover that a McCain/Palin ticket is even worse than a Bridge to Nowhere—it’s a bridge back to the Bush White House. As that realization hits, working moms and dads alike will walk on by the slick selling of Sarah Palin.
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By The Other Jack
September 12, 2008 8:54 AM | Link to this
Andrea
Really bold stance: We believe in abortions so it is OK if we are chauvinistic, intolerant and bigoted, This is exactly why Palin is making the impact she is making, So you think the women of America are going to come back once they examine the issues?
Well, they are women. They obviously haven’t been smart enough to know about issues until they are told all about those issues by you and the wonderful liberal media. I don’t know which is worst, your arrogance or your bigotry.
Andrea, you make me sick. Get your head out of your as^ and look at what is happening. Droves of women are RUNNING away from your party that chose to treat your own most powerful woman like a brainless twit. And install an empty box that claimed that Hillary would throw dishes at him.
Lincoln, The Republican said that you can fool part of the people all of the time, so there will always be women that will be led around by the Daily Koss and the Huffington Post and by Andrea at the AJC. That’s a given. You can have those.
But when you stop looking down your overly made up nose at the vast majority of good women all over this country that do not decide their vote on one issue or by agreeing with the most chauvinistic, intolerant and bigoted attacks being leveled at a woman in my lifetime, you will understand that YOU are the one that is out of touch.
Your own post reeks of bigotry, so please tell us exactly why all those women are going to come back to the party of George Wallace and leave the party that put the first women in the SCOTUS, head of the State Department, has already put a woman third in line to the presidency and apparently are about to put the first woman in the White House? Please tell us why women are going to leave that party and vote for Barrack, empty box, never stood up for anything in his life, Obama.
By SAR
September 12, 2008 8:54 AM | Link to this
Is there a double standard? That’s like asking is there a sun in the sky. Palin’s daughter who is not running for anything has been vetted and scrutnized more than the man running for the Oval Ofice, Obama. It took the liberal news..what, twenty minutes to dig into her daughter but it took the same news agencies 19 months to look into Obama and his many, many shady dealings and those he associats with; people like Rev. Wright, William Ayers and Tony Resco. How many are out there we don’t know about? She was blasted for being inexperienced. She was a Mayor, she is a sitting Governor. Obama’s bulk of experience was a community organizer. That lofty position means you work on get-out-the-vote drives for you local church that has no business being tax exempt and in politics at the same time. Now she has late night comedians taking below the waist shots at her special needs child. Desperation. Face it, the Democrats are in a melt down. Their man Obama in his so called historical acceptance speech was viewed by less than a million viewers than that of McCain’s speech. Palin has Oprah and Obama intimidated, she has Democratic women intimidated. She has galvanized the Republican party in a way no one expected it. Soccer mons tilted the election to Bush and they’ll do the same here, in greater numbers. The little Mayor from Wasilla will be the downfall of the powerful Apollo Obama machine and I couldn’t be happier if I tried. McCain-Palin 08.
By News Flash
September 12, 2008 9:03 AM | Link to this
Just last spring, Palin herself scoffed when Hillary Clinton’s campaign complained about a double standard in coverage.
“When I hear a statement like that coming from a woman candidate with any kind of perceived whine about that excess criticism, or maybe a sharper microscope put on her, I think, ‘Man, that doesn’t do us any good, women in politics, or women in general, trying to progress this country,’ ” Palin said.
If Democrats point out the double standard, they’re whining. If you ask questions about Palin’s job responsibilities and performance, you’re attacking her because she’s a woman. Any questions?
By The Other Jack
September 12, 2008 9:11 AM | Link to this
News Flash
Palin is not complaining about her treatment, so get off your ignorant, high horse.
By Jason
September 12, 2008 9:22 AM | Link to this
Other Jack. Just to let you know the first female Sec. of State was Madeline Albright (appointed by Bill Clinton). And Nancy Pelosi (Speaker of the House) became third in line by virtue of Democrats taking the majority of the House and electing her speaker. You sir are an idiot!
By JokesOn
September 12, 2008 9:24 AM | Link to this
Poor Palin did not even understand the question. And then, she followed up with a hard line on going to war with Russia.LOL
First words out of her mouth when asked to be VP? “I do not even know what a VP does.”
The bounce is beginning to crumble already.
That is not sexism, that is pointing out her obvious naivete and ignorance.
By More Double Standard
September 12, 2008 9:24 AM | Link to this
From our GOOD FRIEND Karl Rove:
Appearing on Face the Nation less than three weeks ago, Republican strategist Karl Rove singled out Virginia Governor Tim Kaine, who was on Obama’s short list.
“With all due respect again to Governor Kaine, he’s been a governor for three years, he’s been able but undistinguished,” Rove said. (Palin has been governor — of a much, much smaller state — for less than two years.)
Rove also said: “I don’t think people could really name a big, important thing that he’s done. He was mayor of the 105th largest city in America.” (Palin was formerly mayor of a town that must be ranked about 15,000th biggest in America.)
He added, “So if [Obama] were to pick Governor Kaine, it would be an intensely political choice where he said, `You know what? I’m really not, first and foremost, concerned with — is this person capable of being president of the United States?’”
By The Other Jack
September 12, 2008 9:26 AM | Link to this
If you ask questions about Palin’s job responsibilities and performance, you’re attacking her because she’s a woman. Any questions?
I have a question. How far would your head need to be up your as* before you could make a statement like that. Obama and Biden summed up her accomplishments by saying that she was pretty. Then they said that she was being told what to do and say. And that was after Obama had claimed that Hillary would throw dishes at him.
Democrats are amazing. The person that is called the conscience of the Democratic Party is Robert Byrd, a KKK member. The God Father is Teddy Kennedy, a drunk that is so sorry that he stumbled off from a wreck that he caused, leaving a friend to drown as a direct result of his complete worthlessness. But he’s a Kennedy and she was just a woman. HE would be needed to protect his male family members from charges from other mere women, so he walked away from an act that would have landed anyone but Teddy Kennedy in prison.
But after all, she was just a woman.
Democrats, the party that has advanced women? Maybe if they survive the drive home.
By Gale
September 12, 2008 9:29 AM | Link to this
If I were to flip the gender for Palin and spouse, I would still have serious reservations about the candidate. I don’t think the problem is democrats at all. I doubt the problem is specific to a political group. I think people have a double standard about women. Hillary was criticised because she is smart and tough. Too smart and tough. Palin is perky and cheerful and a babe. She may be bright, but who can even tell? Right now she is just being a cute attack dog. It is all in how she presents herself. I’ve been thinking the “Thanks, but no thanks” lie is not getting near as much press as the “Bosnian sniper” lie. Maybe the right just wanted an American Idol candidate so they could top Obama’s rock star status.
By News Flash
September 12, 2008 9:33 AM | Link to this
Palin is not complaining about her treatment, so get off your ignorant, high horse.
And the Democrats are not saying Palin’s gender or status as a mother make her unqualified either, but thanks for starting out the morning with a nasty insult like the bitter, hateful, frustrated person you are.
By Mara
September 12, 2008 9:35 AM | Link to this
LOL!! TOJ - There’s no record that Honest Abe said what you said he said. In fact, the Illinois Historic Preservation Agency has a whole page devoted to refuting such wrongly attributed quotes.
I find these Republican’s born-again feminism ludicrous. THEY fetished the stay-at-home mom into some kind of paragon of virtue and working mothers as self-centered and neglectful…yet when Democrats demand to know why they aren’t walking the walk, why they don’t expect their candidate to live up to their “happy homemaker” stereo-type, we get charged with “sexism”. (head shaking) cynical and dishonest…
To be generous, maybe it’s only now, when their own words are getting applied to their sweet St. Sarah of the Tundra, do they realize how demeaning and ignorant they sounded in the first place. Maybe.
By The Other Jack
September 12, 2008 9:37 AM | Link to this
More Double Standard
So now, democrats respect the words of Carl Rove. And you put that in a post about double standards. LOL!!!
By The Other Jack
September 12, 2008 9:39 AM | Link to this
News Flash
So yet another sideline poster that knows all about me. It’s it about time you go on another 14 day vacation that lasts for 6 days?
By USinUK
September 12, 2008 9:41 AM | Link to this
when prominent Democrats and the press began publicly questioning whether a mother of five — including a special-needs infant — could or should be a good vice president
what a load of bollocks.
we don’t care that she has 5 kids (including noun. verb. Downs Syndrome) - we care that she has had 18 months at the state level and NO national experience!
but, Shaunti, you keep spreading the lies - that’s what you seem to be good at (Microsoft makes how much in revenues, again???)
so, what she’s got 5 kids (and a grandkid on the way - brought to you by Abstinence Only Education … for all your pre-marital, unintended pregnancy needs, ask for Abstinence Only Education by name)
By USinUK
September 12, 2008 9:46 AM | Link to this
TOJ -
So now, democrats respect the words of Carl Rove. And you put that in a post about double standards. LOL!!
first of all, it’s Karl (with a K) Rove
secondly, all we ask for is a little consistency … either a governor with less than a full term under their belt is unqualified or they’re not …
By The Other Jack
September 12, 2008 9:47 AM | Link to this
So McCain’s lead is crumbling? LOL!!
Rasmussen Tracking 09/09 - 09/11 3000 LV 48 45 McCain +3 Gallup Tracking 09/08 - 09/10 2718 RV 48 44 McCain +4 Hotline/FD Tracking 09/08 - 09/10 902 RV 46 44 McCain +2 FOX News 09/08 - 09/09 900 RV 45 42 McCain +3 NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl 09/06 - 09/08 860 RV 45 46 Obama +1 ABC News/Wash Post 09/05 - 09/07 LV 49 47 McCain +2 USA Today/Gallup 09/05 - 09/07 823 LV 54 44 McCain +10 CBS News 09/05 - 09/07 655 RV 46 44 McCain +2 CNN/OpinionResearch 09/05 - 09/07 942 RV 48 48 Tie
By The Other Jack
September 12, 2008 9:50 AM | Link to this
Mara
If you honestly can disagree with every credible media outlet, and you believe that Sarah Palin has been treated fairly, then you need to vote for Obama. You and the two other people that believe that.
By JokesOn
September 12, 2008 9:55 AM | Link to this
So yet another sideline poster that knows all about me.
What is there to know TOJ? You are cranky morning, noon and night and you are a hypocrite about sums it up.
All it takes is one visit by anyone to realize that. Have a cookie and take a mid-morning nap.
By Rod
September 12, 2008 9:55 AM | Link to this
I think this campaign has set America back 50 years or so. This is only because one, a black man is finally a frontrunner for the top position in our government, two a female is a vp candidate, and three this country is economically near the bottom. One preaches unity, change, and better economics for all, the other preaches, well nothing at the moment only slander, mudslinging, bickering, and so on. He has yet to promise the American people what he intends to do which further links him to the Bush Administration. I’ve actually rooted for McCain over the years because of his stance against the Republicans on issues, but to use Palin as his vp pick shows he’s desperate and he knows this is his last chance at the top prize.
My only concern is that he would distance himself from bush policies while he’s got some momentum. He won’t do that because of the lobbyist running his campaign. So I am regretably voting for the other guy until he shows me he’s back to the way he was.
One other thing, I feel that Rommey or Huckabey would have been excellent choices for vp. They were both bright and likeable and could have given him the same buzz as Palin. The word now is that a lot of women are offeneded because he is using her as a do flunkey and nothing more. Most of the middle aged white women, (I’m white), I know are totally p** but feel helpless because it hurts the GOP more than it helps.
By USinUK
September 12, 2008 9:56 AM | Link to this
Mara -
sweet St. Sarah of the Tundra,
I hope you realize I’ve trademarked that name … you owe me $25 for licensed use.
I’ll take cash. or money orders. or Pay Pal.
;-)
By Jack of all Trades
September 12, 2008 10:00 AM | Link to this
I love a fight first thing in the morning! The double standards are clear…. republicans have beat America about the head about Family Values and Family First. What do your nominee do select a VP running mate that’s not walking the walk, but continuing to talk the talk. republicans are all about do as I say, not as I do.
Your folks are lining up on tv grinning and loving palin - “she’s such a strong mother figure” - HA! She’s selfish! I can care less about her daughter feeling bad about mom missing a shot at VP because of her daughters irresponsibilities! Oh that word - RESPONSIBILITIES.
A RESPONSIBLE mother would have said - thanks, but no thanks, I need to take care of my family. A RESPONSIBLE governor would have said - I don’t have the knowledge or experience to assist you at this time. A RESPONSIBLE honorable candidate would have look at the situation and said I shouldn’t PIMP this woman and her family. A RESPONSIBLE party would have told the candidate - we’ll be sending the wrong message after all we are a party with values. There are NO VALUES in the republican party just FINGERPOINTING diaper wetters.
Furthermore, not only did rover put his foot in his horn head mouth, so did o’reilly with his rant on the spears family and suddenly the palins is a private matter? dick “weasal” morris, the fiorina lady and sarah with her attack on Hillary for crying.
By HeeHaw
September 12, 2008 10:00 AM | Link to this
You sir are an idiot!
Not news to regular blog readers.
and I think it is KARL Rove.
By JokesOn
September 12, 2008 10:01 AM | Link to this
Shaping up to be the old freak out friday for TOJ.
…get your popcorn and watch the meltdown.
By USinUK
September 12, 2008 10:01 AM | Link to this
TOJ -
thanks for the stats … the majority of the polls you cited put Obama and McCain at a statistical tie when you take into account the MOE.
By The Other Jack
September 12, 2008 10:02 AM | Link to this
UsinUK
I know of condoms that have broken. So no condom is useful, right? Throw them all away. Right? No more birth control. Didn’t work once. It simply doesn’t work. Right? i think you are on to something.
We don’t care that she has kids or is a woman? Have you been asleep for the last three weeks. To be honest, i doubt that you have seen the attacks over there. And the lies that are presented as facts.
At poker on Wednesday night, I was told that Palin was trying to get laws passed where hunters could hunt Wolves with machine guns from helicopters. So I guess Alaska is succeeding from the union. No civilian can own completely automatic weapons, but a friend with a masters degree in business believed that Palin was able to dictate that Alaskans ignore federal gun laws.
I have never seen anything like this in my life. And the anti-woman attacks are worst than anything I have seen from anybody at any time. If Republicans were attacking a Democratic woman like the democrats are attacking Palin, we wouldn’t live it down for 100 years. Here, on this forum, democrats are already trying to claim that the attacks don’t exist.
By Jack of all Trades
September 12, 2008 10:06 AM | Link to this
Let me take this to a new level of HYPOCRASY:
Email I received the other day says:
If you’re a minority and you’re selected for a job over more qualified candidates you’re a ‘token hire.’
If you're a conservative and you're selected for a job over more qualified candidates you're a 'game changer.' Black teen pregnancies? A 'crisis' in black America. White teen pregnancies? A 'blessed event.' If you grow up in Hawaii you're 'exotic.' Grow up in Alaska eating mooseburgers, you're the quintessential 'American story.' Similarly, if you name you kid Barack you're 'unpatriotic.' Name your kid Track, you're 'colorful.' If you're a Democrat and you make a VP pick without fully vetting the individual you're 'reckless.' A Republican who doesn't fully vet is a 'maverick.' If you spend 3 years as a community organizer growing your organization from a staff of 1 to 13 and your budget from $70,000 to $400,000, then become the first black President of the Harvard Law Review,create a voter registration drive that registers 150,000 new African Amerian voters, spend 12 years as a Constitutional Law professor,then spend nearly 8 more years as a State Senator representing a district with over 750,000 people, becoming chairman of the state Senate's Health and Human Services committee, then spend nearly 4 years in the United States Senate representing a state of nearly 13 million people, sponsoring 131 bills and serving on the Foreign Affairs, Environment and Public Works and Veteran's Affairs committees, you are woefully inexperienced. If you spend 4 years on the city council and 6 years as the mayor of a town with less than 7,000 people, then spend 20 months as the governor of a state with 650,000 people, you've got the most executive experience of anyone on either ticket, are the Commander in Chief of the Alaska military and are well qualified to lead the nation should you be called upon to do so because your state is the closest state to Russia. If you are a Democratic male candidate who is popular with millions of people you are an 'arrogant celebrity'. If you are a popular republican female candidate you are 'energizing the base'. If you are a younger male candidate who thinks for himself and makes his own decisions you are 'presumptuous'. if you are an older male candidate who makes last minute decisions you refuse to explain, you are a 'shoot from the hip' maverick. If you are a candidate with a Harvard law degree you are 'an elitist 'out of touch' with the real America. if you are a legacy (dad and granddad were admirals) graduate of Annapolis, with multiple disciplinary infractions you are a hero. If you manage a multi-million dollar nationwide campaign, you are an 'empty suit'.If you are a part time mayor of a town of 7000 people, you are an 'experienced executive'. If you go to a south side Chicago church, your beliefs are 'extremist'. If you believe in creationism and don't believe global warming is man made, you are 'strongly principled'. If you cheated on your first wife with a rich heiress, and left your disfigured wife and married the heiress the next month, you're a Christian. If you have been married to the same woman for 19 years with whom you are raising 2 beautiful daughters you're 'risky'. If you're a black single mother of 4 who waits for 22 hours after her water breaks to seek medical attention, you're an irresponsible parent, endangering the life of your unborn child. But if you're a white married mother who waits 22 hours, you're spunky. If you're a 13-year-old Chelsea Clinton, the right-wing press calls you 'First dog.' If you're a 17-year old pregnant unwed daughter of a Republican, the right-wing press calls you 'beautiful' and 'courageous.' If you kill an endangered species, you're an excellent hunter. If you have an abortion you're not a christian, you're a murderer ( forget about if it happen while being date raped) If you teach abstinence only in sex education, you get teen parents. If you teach responsible age appropriate sex education, including the proper use of birth control, you are eroding the fiber of society.By SAG
September 12, 2008 10:10 AM | Link to this
My oh my, look what happens when someone has the mitigated gall to say something about Apollo Obama the Chosen One. The Democratic meltdown is in full swing. The year the Republicans had to lose is now turning into a full-fledged battle. They ran Hillary in the ground with false claims of racism and now look what they’re staring eye to eye. You Democrats are spineless and scared; you believed the mantra that no one can say anything bad about Apolloe Obama and not be turned to a block of salt. This is beginning to be sooooo funny, the huge Democratic meltdowmn. What’s next, Obama coming on stage and kick boxing a special needs kid to show what a man he really is. Sad.
By The Other Jack
September 12, 2008 10:10 AM | Link to this
Wow. Side line snipers and JokesOn is here, too. Say it ain’t so. And jokesOn is responding to a post to one of the snipers. Never saw that one coming.
By leigh
September 12, 2008 10:16 AM | Link to this
I think the Republicans are the ones making this a double standard. It is ok for them to attack Hillary since she came on the scene but no one is suppose to attack Palin? The McCain/Palin campaign is too busy projecting their faults onto the Obama/Biden campaign to actually talk about any real issues turning this entire race into a disfunctional personality contest. If Palin is going to be part of this race she opens herself up to questions, background checks and the like. If she can’t take the heat then she needs to excuse herself from this race.
By The Other Jack
September 12, 2008 10:17 AM | Link to this
Rod
Do you understand that the economic downturn started in 2006? You remember 2006, gas was under 2 bucks a gallon and inflation was half of what it is now.
Now what happened to the government in 2006? Can you tell me? Can you make the connection? Last week someone posted a quote from the Congressional Budget office. Does that give you a hint? Can you tell me the branch of the government that makes laws and sets the US budget?
Now the big question here, and this is the hard one, who controls the part of the government that controls the economy. Now think reeeal hard. Remember the hint: the CONGRESSIONAL BUDGET OFFICE.
Work it over in your head and see if you can figure out what political party has had control of the government since the economic downturn started really turning South.
By Mara
September 12, 2008 10:21 AM | Link to this
USinUK - hey, I’m working the name like McCain works his campaign music. I’ll use it without permission or fees until you send me a certified cease and desist request. :^)
TOJ - If you honestly can disagree with every credible media outlet, and you believe that Sarah Palin has been treated fairly, then you need to vote for Obama. You and the two other people that believe that
she’s been treated as fairly as one can treat a completely unknown politician who isn’t “allowed” to face an agressive, non-deferential, press. And considering your contempt for the “librul media” I’d be interested in knowing exactly who you mean by “credible media outlet”. Charlie Gibson?! Puh-leeeze. He was boo’ed at the debates for being such a wimpy hack.
and more than my two friends and I think she’s been treated fairly. per a recent ABC poll - “Americans are divided about whether the media, which have focused early coverage on personal matters, have treated Palin fairly or unfairly. Half called the coverage fair, while 41 percent said it has been slanted. Most Republicans said it has been biased; two-thirds of Democrats disagree. Among those who fault the coverage, more see political bias, not sexism, as the root cause.
By Atlantajan
September 12, 2008 10:24 AM | Link to this
Sarah Palin made Wasilla one of the few — if not the only — Alaska towns to charge women who had been raped hundreds of dollars for the rape kit necessary to prosecute their assailants. Sarah Palin talks about her daughter’s “choice,” but would deny that choice to every other woman — including victims of rape. Sarah Palin shoots wolves from helicopters and thinks polar bears will evolve into land mammals if their ice goes away. Sarah Palin attempted to fire a librarian for saying she would not take certain books out of the library. Sarah Palin did fire a law enforcement officer because he refused to fire an underling involved in a messy divorce from her sister.
Does anyone really think that John McCain looked high and low and decided that Sarah Palin, who thinks Iraq was responsible for 9/11 and has no clue about the Bush Doctrine that has led to our involvement in Iraq, was honestly the most qualified person to be a heartbeat away from the presidency?
Do right-wingers think women are stupid? You’ve gotta share more than reproductive organs with the vast majority of us if you want our support.
By USinUK
September 12, 2008 10:25 AM | Link to this
TOJ -
I know of condoms that have broken. So no condom is useful, right? Throw them all away. Right? No more birth control. Didn’t work once. It simply doesn’t work. Right? i think you are on to something.
so, I see you’ve been reading the Abstinence Only propaganda … oops, I mean “curriculum”
because you realize that’s exactly what they say. that condoms do nothing to protect you against STDs. that birth control is ineffective. (so, is it any wonder why teens are saying “why bother, then”)
but, given that St. Sarah of the Tundra (TM) advocates AO, do you really think she’s telling her kiddies at home “but, if you do, wrap that rascle”??? no. she’s telling them to wait until marriage, just like she did …
… oh, waitaminnit. she had to get married, didn’t she …
yet another example of “do as I say, not as I do”
By JokesOn
September 12, 2008 10:25 AM | Link to this
Wow. Side line snipers and JokesOn is here, too. Say it ain’t so. And jokesOn is responding to a post to one of the snipers. Never saw that one coming.
Insane that you think I am sniping you. I have already proven numerous times that I confront you under my own name.
Spin, spin, spin…
Writing any binary code lately?lol
By The Honorable GOP
September 12, 2008 10:26 AM | Link to this
“If Republicans were attacking a Democratic woman like the democrats are attacking Palin…”
That. Would. Never. Happen.
Republicans are just too honorable! We respect women! We would never disprespect a woman by gossiping about what kind of wife she is, berate her for leaving her husband’s side to pursue her own causes (or for NOT leaving him if we don’t like him), or for being super smart and well-educated, or for making a couple of bucks on a good investment, or for being tougher than most women, or for being human enough to have tears in her eyes, or for wearing pantsuits, or for the size of her thighs or the sound of her voice.
We. Respect. Women. And. They. Don’t.
By John
September 12, 2008 10:28 AM | Link to this
Andrea provides the intelligent thinker yet another reason to call B.S. on the left’s argument. The fact is this scenario was supposed to happen, just not on the republican ticket. If Palin was a democrat and Obama chose her, the media would be falling all over themselves and lavishing praise and adoration upon her. She would be hailed as the perfect example of how a “career” women with kids not only can take on the VP job, but is qualified as well. However, because Palin happens to be on the wrong side of the political spectrum and is electrifying women across the nation, she is the target of typical leftist elitism.
By The Other Jack
September 12, 2008 10:30 AM | Link to this
USinUK
thanks for the stats … the majority of the polls you cited put Obama and McCain at a statistical tie when you take into account the MOE.
That is a straw you can cling to. The facts say that before the conventions, McCain wasn’t even close, but now is leading in every poll but two and he ties in one of those. My post was in response to a post that said that McCain’s lead is crumbling, while it is widening.
Time will tell, but I don’t see any reason why the polls would change. Obama hasn’t been in an offensive position for weeks. I am as surprised as everyone, but I can see why it is happening. And this garbage about only McCain going negative is total BS. This morning Obama released another attack ad, not about issues, not about anything that means a damn thing.
It’s going to take a big boom, like what Palin did for the McCain campaign. Made up stories about killing wolves with machine guns ain’t doin’ it.
By USinUK
September 12, 2008 10:40 AM | Link to this
Leigh -
It is ok for them to attack Hillary since she came on the scene but no one is suppose to attack Palin?
you hit the nail on the head.
remember the “I could have stayed home and made cookies” comment Hillary made waaaaaaaaaaay back when? she was raked over the coals for that!
now … imagine that she had given birth to a DS child then reported to the Rose Law Firm 3 days later … my god, Rush would have thought that he had his birthday and christmas all in the same go - he would have excoriated her for YEARS on that tidbit, alone.
now … imagine if Chelsea turned up pregnant during Bill’s second term - good lord, the right would have had a heyday about how they have no “family values” …
and they have the utter gall to tell US that we’re being too hard on Palin for looking into her work history? for looking at her (ahem) “education” (using the term very loosely)? for looking at the churches she goes to - which, given how important she says her faith is to her, should be nothing to be ashamed of, right?
but, noooooo … we on the left are “mean-spirited”
By USinUK
September 12, 2008 10:43 AM | Link to this
Mara -
I’m working the name like McCain works his campaign music. I’ll use it without permission or fees until you send me a certified cease and desist request.
hahaha … fine … you may use it … as long as you continue to use it for the powers of good and not evil! :-)
(on a side note about the music … every other Presidential candidate has honored a musician’s request when they have asked them not to play a particular song … I find it very telling about McCain’s “character” that he ignores other people’s wishes)
By Gale
September 12, 2008 10:45 AM | Link to this
“Palin was a democrat” she would have to be spouting a whole different line. Maybe Hillary should pull a Lieberman and switch parties?
By Jack of all Trades
September 12, 2008 10:45 AM | Link to this
Obviously I’m a Democrat so I’m going to say what needs to be said….Senator Obama didn’t select Senator Hillary Clinton because she has BAGGAGE!!!! The republicans would fall all over themselves bring up every little controversy she was involved in therefore, the campaign would have never gotten off the ground.
Unfortunately, we know republican baggage is different from Democratic baggage. John McCain divorced his wife for a younger woman he was having an affair with. Why haven’t we heard that? He’s covered up his wife’s drug addiction by firing the one guy who knew about it and threaten him. He’s stopped investigations into POW/MIA reports in Vietnam and Korea! Honorable man that he is can only talk about being a POW and war hero. That DOES NOT give him the RIGHT to be POTUS!!!
By The Other Jack
September 12, 2008 10:46 AM | Link to this
jokesOn
You have only proven what a pathetic liar you are. Give it up. When you are here, there are dozens of spineless sideliners, all agreeing with every position you take and attacking the same people that you attack. When you are not here, THERE ARE NONE.
Can you explain that fact? (This should be good)
By Atlantajan
September 12, 2008 10:47 AM | Link to this
Question: If Palin had been a Democrat, and Obama had chosen her, exactly how do you think the right would have reacted to her pregnant daughter and her running for president with a four-month-old? Think we might have heard, “Well, great for the Democrats! They’ve put someone who is just like us on the ticket!
What do you think would have been the response if Obama had had a pregnant 17-year-old daughter on the stage at the convention with him? Think we would have heard about how great Democrats’ family values were?
You Republicans are refining the word “hypocrite” to an amazing degree.
By Newzwyre
September 12, 2008 10:52 AM | Link to this
“The American Conservative” magazine says Palin’s a liar.
“Reihan (Reihan Salam, conservative journalist and GOP apologist - ed.) asks: “So will we stop hearing that Palin “lied” about the Bridge to Nowhere? I’m guessing we won’t.”
“Well, Reihan, we will keep hearing about it because she has been lying…During her first speech after being named as McCain’s surprise pick as a running mate, Palin said she had told Congress “‘thanks but no thanks’ on that bridge to nowhere.”
“The relevant facts concerning Palin and her false “Bridge to Nowhere” claim are these. As a gubernatorial candidate in 2006, she supported the project and objected to the derisive name that she now uses to score points.”
“By McCain’s own standard, Palin’s eventual opposition to the bridge project is beside the point–it is federal pork as such that he finds offensive and which he now claims Palin has combated as part of his effort to make Palin into a credible reformer of Washington.”
“It is hardly inspiring that she has to make false statements in order to make this central claim, and it is deeply troubling that the “reform” ticket is daily making claims about Palin’s record that only the most generous partisan could accept as honest.”
By The Other Jack
September 12, 2008 10:54 AM | Link to this
USinUk
I find it very telling about McCain’s “character” that he ignores other people’s wishes)
I find it very interesting that Federal Copyright laws would fine the crap out of McCain for using a copyrighted song if he didn’t have permission to use it. A single letter of demand would stop the use of that song, but apparently that hasn’t happened. Could it be that the royalties are just too much to stop them from using the song? And artist putting money over principle? A LIBERAL ARTIST? Say it ain”t so.
By USinUK
September 12, 2008 10:55 AM | Link to this
TOJ -
McCain wasn’t even close, but now is leading in every poll but two and he ties in one of those
man. you don’t let the facts get in the way of a good story, do you.
prior to the conventions, McCain and Obama were a dead heat until the Dem convention (the biggest gap was 8%, right after the Dem convention and just as the GOP convention was starting) then, they flipped immediately after the GOP convention
http://www. gallup. com/poll/110227/Gallup-Daily-McCain-48-Obama-44.aspx
but, you just keep living in your fact-deprived dreamworld if it makes you feel better
By The Other Jack
September 12, 2008 10:57 AM | Link to this
Atlantajan
What do you think would have been the response if Obama had had a pregnant 17-year-old daughter on the stage at the convention with him? Think we would have heard about how great Democrats’ family values were?
I guess you slept through the first day that Pelosi took over Congress and she brought her entire brood to the house floor.
By The Other Jack
September 12, 2008 11:04 AM | Link to this
Jack of all Trades
He’s covered up his wife’s drug addiction by firing the one guy who knew about it and threaten him.
Are you that one guy? LOL!! Please point to the source on this one.
Is there anything that you guys won’t swallow? You complain about conservatives watching FOX News and then you quote idiot liberal attack web sites like they were the gospels. And you wonder why you are losing.
By Bravo
September 12, 2008 11:06 AM | Link to this
Bravo to Jack of all Trades, Bravo.
By USinUK
September 12, 2008 11:06 AM | Link to this
TOJ -
I find it very interesting that Federal Copyright laws would fine the crap out of McCain for using a copyrighted song if he didn’t have permission to use it. A single letter of demand would stop the use of that song, but apparently that hasn’t happened. Could it be that the royalties are just too much to stop them from using the song? And artist putting money over principle? A LIBERAL ARTIST?
again, you don’t let the facts get in your way, do you?
McCain may legally use whatever song he wants as long as he pays the appropriate licensing fee. The artist has say over commercial use (political rallies are not considered commercial)
McCain had no problem not using John Mellencamp songs after he was asked (back in Feb) but has no respect for Heart’s request.
By The Other Jack
September 12, 2008 11:09 AM | Link to this
USinUK
Don’t get ugly. And then look at the polls from early August, when Obama finally got rid of Hillary. Look at the polls at the conventions and now look at the polls.
The FACT is that he has been losing ground and continues to lose ground.
By USinUK
September 12, 2008 11:15 AM | Link to this
TOJ -
I suggest you read this:
http://www. washingtonpost. com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/11/AR2008091103928_pf.html
Cindy stole drugs from her non-profit.
She tried to have the guy fired for blowing the whistle.
it isn’t pretty.
By JokesOn
September 12, 2008 11:17 AM | Link to this
When you are not here, THERE ARE NONE.
You are a liar. That is how it is explained. There have been days on end (and a couple times a week+) that I only lurked, or was gone completely, and saw the snipers come out to get you.
When you show up everyone splits BUT the sideliners (or maybe most everyone becomes one because they know talking with you directly is useless).
How many name changes have you gone through now? All because you are embarrassed about your previous weeks behavior. Remember all the “waaaaambulane” comments from everyone on here? (of course not - your are impeccable at relying on denial)
Here is 50 cents; buy a clue.
By Gale
September 12, 2008 11:23 AM | Link to this
Why would McCain respect Heart’s request? They are women.
By The Other Jack
September 12, 2008 11:25 AM | Link to this
USinUK
Since 1993 (I think that is the right year), any broadcast use REQUIRES permission from the copyright holder. It is not even permissible to pay blankets to ASCAP and/or BMI. I know this because this ruined my life. I loved to use popular songs when i worked at TV stations. They would pay a blanket and I could use anything that was claimed by whatever blanket we had bought. Not any more. Each use has to be negotiated. I now compose most of my music or use needle drops from several companies.
I don’t know if Mellencamp still own those rights or not, I don’t know if Heart still own their own copyright. If they do own it, they can stop McCain. Election campaigns do not cancel copyrights. The only thing it does is require that TV stations give non-premium ad rates.
if they sold those rights, then tough sh*t. That was their choice.
By USinUK
September 12, 2008 11:26 AM | Link to this
TOJ -
And then look at the polls from early August, when Obama finally got rid of Hillary. Look at the polls at the conventions and now look at the polls
good grief, TOJ -
http://www. gallup. com/poll/election2008.aspx
please. you’re embarrassing yourself. other than a couple of blips, they have been neck and neck - there has never been a wider gap than about 8 points - which, considering 5% are usually undecided, that makes it a statistical dead heat.
please. do yourself a favor and look things up before you go slinging the merde del toro (a subtle blend of french and spanish on that one) - not that I don’t mind correcting you, but I imagine it has to get a bit demoralizing after the 5th, 6th, 10th time …
By Lynne
September 12, 2008 11:29 AM | Link to this
LMAO…Sarah Palin hasn’t done anything but bring in the evangelical base that McCain couldn’t….and that’s it. Not independents, not moderate Republicans, and Lord knows, not women that supported Hillary Clinton. Please. Sarah “what does the VP do?” Palin is just a gimmick that hasn’t affected the Obama campaign’s ground game one bit. You people are still looking at polls that don’t reflect the 3.5 million new voters or the millions of voters without landline phones. I’m amazed that the polls are even close at all considering who actually is responding to them.
By USinUK
September 12, 2008 11:30 AM | Link to this
Gale -
Why would McCain respect Heart’s request? They are women.
ZACKLY!!!
John Mellencamp’s request: no problem
Heart’s: absolutely not.
what a wanker.
By ELLE
September 12, 2008 11:35 AM | Link to this
It was sexism when the Republicans put unqualifed Palin on the ticket (loved the deer in the headlights look when Charlie Gibson asked about the Bush doctrine). Thinking women are dim witted enough to vote for a woman who does not fight for our rights. If it were not for Democrats women would give birth and go directly to work from the hospital. Sexism is when Hillary CLinton does not get all the bruhaha because she is not at pretty.
Now lets get to important issues like paying 3 times more for gas since this administration got into office, paying more for food, health care, etc. Lets talk about that…..that crosses all boundaries
By The Other Jack
September 12, 2008 11:36 AM | Link to this
JokesON
So you didn’t go on that 14 day vacation to Cancun. You were lurking? I thought you said you were fishing. Is there anything that you have ever said that we should actually believe?
I’ve gone through one name change and use both names however I want. Everyone knows it is me. I’m not a coward like you. But please, do keep bringing it up. You seem to be trying to rationalize your use of multiple nicks, something that you continue to lie about.
Now, is there anything you would like to say about my stated position on the issue or will you continue to act like the slobbering idiot that you are?
By Grounded
September 12, 2008 11:37 AM | Link to this
Sarah Palin hasn’t done anything but bring in the evangelical base
unfortunately they are the same people who came out to vote en masse in 2000 for their very own (he’s so special, he’s a Christian) Chosen Own. and look where THAT put us.
By USinUK
September 12, 2008 11:37 AM | Link to this
TOJ -
I don’t know if Mellencamp still own those rights or not, I don’t know if Heart still own their own copyright. If they do own it, they can stop McCain.
again, since political events are not considered commercial, McCain only has to pay the smaller licensing fee and the artist doesn’t have a say over it. (if he wanted to use Barracuda in a commercial, they could refuse).
Under the law, candidates can use any song they want as background music so long as they pay the necessary licensing fees.
The legal waters are murkier when a song becomes an integral part of a stage production, like the use of “Barracuda” to introduce Palin at the RNC, one legal expert said. Express permission is required for ads.
http://www. nydailynews. com/news/politics/2008/09/05/2008-09-05useofbarracudaforsarahpalinnetsgo.html
By JokesOn
September 12, 2008 11:47 AM | Link to this
So you didn’t go on that 14 day vacation to Cancun. You were lurking?* Way to mix apples and oranges. I had to come back because of a sick relative. If you were honest, you would see that I did not post except for the couple times I had internet connect. More lies from TOJ.
(I notice how you ignore that I said “many times I was lurking or not even here”)
Now, is there anything you would like to say about my stated position on the issue or will you continue to act like the slobbering idiot that you are?
Who started this line again? Liar.
Who also runs POed each time I prove you are just spouting bs? Like you saying you can name hundreds of founding fathers that believe in creationism. There were not even 50 of them.
By Gale
September 12, 2008 11:47 AM | Link to this
ZACKLY!!! ::chuckle:: one of my favorite words.
By USinUK
September 12, 2008 11:54 AM | Link to this
JokesOn -
Like you saying you can name hundreds of founding fathers that believe in creationism. There were not even 50 of them
true. but you’re forgetting the “Franklin Factor” and the “Madison Multiple”, which makes each Founding Father count for 4.5 regular people. So, if you multiply 49 by 4.5, you get 220.5, thus creating “hundreds” of founding fathers.
cheers!
By Smoove B. McCrusty
September 12, 2008 11:56 AM | Link to this
Hey baby…. Barry White music plays low in the background. come here often? Shhh…. don’t tell me. I can see from the look on your pretty face you’re hurting. Did somebody treat you wrong, baby? You can talk to me. I respect women… See? I picked one as my running mate. No, she don’t have the same qualifications as your girl who didn’t get it. She’s a good girl… Fertile and dedicated to bearing fruit. Mmmmm..mmmmm…mmmmmm.. Feminine women are the ones that count. It’s not just what’s between your legs that matters, baby. That pretty face and your sweet submission mean so much too. Now dry your tears, baby, slide on over here, and give your vote to ol’ McCrusty….. kissy noises uhhhuhhhhhuhhhhhhhh…
By Mara
September 12, 2008 12:05 PM | Link to this
artists/groups that have asked McCain to cease and desist using their music -
Jackson Browne - Running on Empty Van Halen - Right Now John Mellencamp - Pink Houses and Our Country ABBA - Take a Chance on Me John Hall/Orleans - Still the One Franki Valli and the Four Seasons - Can’t Take My Eyes Off of You Heart - Barracuda
By The Other Jack
September 12, 2008 12:08 PM | Link to this
USinUk
According to YOUR website, there has been an 8 point swing. Considering how close the last several elections have been, that is huge. You can continue to say nasty things about me, but the polls say that Obama has been in a steady decline. Can you dispute that?
By Earl
September 12, 2008 12:10 PM | Link to this
If you sluts didn’t have so much unprotected sex while you’re drunk with strangers you wouldn’t need abortions as birth control.
By That's what I am talkin about
September 12, 2008 12:18 PM | Link to this
TOJ
Turns out that there is nothing that Cindy McCain won’t swallow! Be it Vicodin, Percocet, etc. Have to admit that I would have to take some type of drug to sleep with John myself though…….might need it when I wake up and see him too!
Guess we’ll see what transpires in November.
Since each person only gets one vote, you might want to try decaf…..you seem a little bit left of center today. LOL
By USinUK
September 12, 2008 12:20 PM | Link to this
TOJ -
You can continue to say nasty things about me, but the polls say that Obama has been in a steady decline. Can you dispute that?
yes. easily. in fact, Gallup did it for me. even if you look at the trend lines, they don’t show Obama in a decline
seriously, TOJ, you’re on a roll today, and it isn’t a good one. wrong about the songs. wrong about the current polls. wrong about earlier polls. even misspelled Karl Rove.
it’s not been a good day for your - do you need a hug?
By The Other Jack
September 12, 2008 12:27 PM | Link to this
JokesON
LOL!!! You do have the perfect name. A sick relative. That’s priceless.
On the day that you claimed to be fishing, I checked the weather report for Cancun. They were getting the leeward side of a hurricane. it was storming like crazy in Cancun. But you claimed to be deep sea fishing. i can hear the boat Captain now: “It’s nothing but a cat 3 hurricane. I’ll be glad to risk my boat and my life so you can fish”.
it isn’t so bad that you are a habitual liar, but you are a lazy liar. You can be dis-proven so easily.
Look. I’ve tried to resolve this with you like a man, but that would take two men and I can’t do it myself. There is no one here that believes that you aren’t posting under other names. So just keep blathering. You are the joke of the forum, but you just aren’t funny, you are pathetic
I came back after being gone last week and the entire blog was nothing but you having yet another name calling, childish spat with yet another conservative poster. It’s the case every week. You have had fellow liberals begging you to grow up. but apprently, the only way to deal with you is treating you like the retarded child that you are: and that is ignoring you.
I feel guilty because you are such an easy target. It’s like picking on the retarded kid. And now you are trying to cover up yet another lie by saying you had a sick relative. It’s sad. But you will need to find someone else to fight with. I just feel bad, because you are so incredibly dumb.
By USinUK
September 12, 2008 12:29 PM | Link to this
Mara -
Franki Valli and the Four Seasons - Can’t Take My Eyes Off of You
man. what kind of sad do you have to be for Franki Valli to say “you know, we really don’t need this kind of publicity”
not to mention … I mean, this was a friend’s first dance with his wife at their wedding … but at a political rally??? “I love you baaaaaaby and if it’s quite all right I need you baaaaaaaby to warm the lonely nights I love you baaaaaaaby, trust in me when I say Oh pretty baaaaaaby, don’t bring me down I pray Oh pretty baaaaaaby, now that I’ve found you stay And let me love you baby, let me love you”
okay, now I think I’ve just grossed myself out. ew. ew. ew.
then again, I also thought Captain Jack was a weird song for Hillary to play at her rallies … (a song about a heroin dealer??? ah. not so appropriate).
By ?uestion
September 12, 2008 12:31 PM | Link to this
I’m interested to know if you took and replaced every instance of the claim of ‘sexism’ in the entire campaign from primary to today with that of ‘racism’ how would that make many of you feel?
Would you think it to be legitimate? Do you think there is a certain comfort level with the former but no so much with the latter?
Is one legitimate and not the other?
By Mara
September 12, 2008 12:33 PM | Link to this
it’s not been a good day for your - do you need a hug?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Good’un!
just as a by the by…in 2004 an anonymous complaint was submitted to the Alaska Voting Board accusing the then-Mayor Sarah Palin of using her mayoral office and resources to campaign for Lt. Governor. The Board chose not to investigate because the letter was sent anonymously.
By Mara
September 12, 2008 12:39 PM | Link to this
USinUK - okay, now I think I’ve just grossed myself out. ew. ew. ew.
eeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwwwww!!! Now I’ll never be able to hear that song without seeing that picture in my head. EWWWWWW! :^D
By Archie
September 12, 2008 12:40 PM | Link to this
No the democrats do not have a double standard about Sarah Palin’s family choices. John Edwards and his wife were questioned about his decision to run in light his wife’s health situation. The reason men aren’t asked certain questions is because 95 percent of the women I know don’t believe men do as much with their children as the mother does. I think we deserve a little more credit but men don’t need too much recognition. I do think Hillary was subjected to double standards but Mrs Palin is getting off lightly right now, because she does look good. Once her obvious attractiveness wears off I think the press will pound on her as they would a male candidate. Women already look at her more objectively than men and that says we,men still have a ways to go as far as viewing women beyond their appearance.
By Bruno
September 12, 2008 12:49 PM | Link to this
we on the left are “mean-spirited”
Well, USinUK, I’m glad you finally admitted it! ; > }
On a serious note, the amount of hypocrisy which emanates from both the left and the right appears to be about equal in my book. Do you see that, or are you so blinded by your own personal political agenda that you TRULY believe that left-wingers are more fair, more intelligent, more educated, etc.?
Thinking women are dim witted enough to vote for a woman who does not fight for our rights.
I think the hardest thing for “thinking” women (read:liberal) to swallow about Sarah Palin is the fact that a substantial percentage of moms in America identify strongly with her. They share her values and admire her strength. I would think some of you lefties would recognize that, being the highly intelligent and educated people that you are.
By Newzwyre
September 12, 2008 12:50 PM | Link to this
speaking of images you can’t get out of your head, watch out for spam-mail —
“Cyber crooks are trying to cash in on fascination with the US presidential race by sending trick email promising a sex video starring candidate Barack Obama, according to Sophos computer security firm.”
“Email recipients gullible enough to click on an enclosed link get to see a seemingly homemade sex video that doesn’t feature the presidential contender but does secretly install malicious software on people’s computers.”
“This email has been spammed out widely across the Internet, claiming that US senator Barack Obama has been in a sex video while he was in the Ukraine and all you have to do is click on the link to view the movie,” Sophos technology consultant Graham Cluley said in a video posted on the firm’s website.
“If you were to click on that link … spyware is installed on your computer which steals your passwords and your banking information and sends it to cyber criminals.”
By Sarah Can Be VP
September 12, 2008 12:54 PM | Link to this
I thought it was the democrats that’s suppose to be the tollerant party? What happened? You can’t accept a normal, working mom of five kids, one with special needs, yet you can accept a man who’s entire past is sketchy and had to be hidden by each news agency, excluding Fox News, in order to keep people from finding out truths about him that would make most people very uncomfortable. Democrats are now so far left, so Hollywood, so out of touch with the common person, they look at a woman who is a mom and a wife to an average guy as being unfit. Your mothers would be ashamed of you all.
By The Other Jack
September 12, 2008 12:55 PM | Link to this
USinUK
I’m a musician and a film maker and I have written a published book about using small video cameras. I actually get small checks for copyrights that i own. I am corresponding TODAY with a traditional music band about using their music in the Haunted Inn piece. I have been on the phone with BMI all frickin’ day. I am doing everything I can to keep from making another trip to the fifth floor at Tower place to the BMI offices to try to make this deal work. But the band is out of BMI-Nashville so it is even more complicated. I am trying not to call the frickin’ copyright attorney YET again about this mess because any call is a couple of hundred bucks. She is not on a retainer. But you obviously know much more about copyrights than I do.
I am currently fighting a woman about using pictures that she claims to own copyright that are 120 years old. I have been involved in 14 different continuing series, resulting in hundreds of TV shows, each one needing full disclosure on all of the music, videography, cinematography, 2D graphics and 3D animations before the networks will even consider running them. .
But since you work in stocks you obviously know more about it than I do. So I agree with you. To hell with McCain. Somebody get a rope.
By Bruno
September 12, 2008 12:57 PM | Link to this
then again, I also thought Captain Jack was a weird song for Hillary to play at her rallies
Personally, I thought Hillary made that choice based on the line “And you sit at home and masturbate”. ; > }
From a political standpoint, I actually think that both McCain AND Obama are benefiting from all the media attention on Palin so close to the election: McCain benefits because it diverts attention away from the fact that he is old, tired, and a long-time Washington insider with ties to lobbyists miles long. Obama benefits because it diverts attention away from the fact that he is too inexperienced to be Prez and has ties to ultra-left wing nut cases miles long.
Bottom line for me: It’s all about taxes and spending. Obama openly calls for higher taxes and more spending. McCain at least gives lip service to less taxes and lower spending. Do I beleive McCain? Not really, but he appears to be the lesser of the two evils.
By The Other Jack
September 12, 2008 1:09 PM | Link to this
?uestion
I’m interested to know if you took and replaced every instance of the claim of ‘sexism’ in the entire campaign from primary to today with that of ‘racism’ how would that make many of you feel?
Did you sleep through the Clinton Obama months? That was the daily charge by the Obama campaign every time Clinton landed a good jab. And now, some idiots are saying that the term “Community Organizer” means Black. Claims of racism are alive and well. Actual racism … not so much.
By The Other Jack
September 12, 2008 1:17 PM | Link to this
Bruno
I was reading a great book on snappy political comebacks. I can’t ever remember names, but some old guy was running and a younger guy was attacking him because of his age.
The old guy’s comeback was great:
A 30 year old as* is much older than a 70 year old man.
i think it is all about Congress. They have introduced a bill to allow off-shore drilling. Any bets as to when that bill passes? Any bets that it won’t pass before the elections? Any bets that say that if Obama wins that it won’t just disappear. They know that they are the biggest reason that folks are running away from Obama. They are about to become a conservative congress, that is until after the election.
By Mara
September 12, 2008 1:22 PM | Link to this
Bruno - Obama openly calls for higher taxes and more spending
google key words “Obama tax cut calculator” the first link should be “ObamaTaxCut.com”. All data is from the non-partisan Tax Policy Center. Find out if YOUR taxes will actually be raised or lowered.
with Obama’s plan, (if he can get it passed) my HoneyBunny and I should save almost $1000 per year in taxes.
By Bruno
September 12, 2008 1:29 PM | Link to this
but some old guy was running and a younger guy was attacking him because of his age.
Don’t forget the Gipper’s line: “I refuse to make my opponent’s youth and inexperience an issue in this campaign.”! Even Walter Mondale laughed at that one during his debate with Ronald Reagan in 1984.
So let’s all sing: “Captain Jack will get you high tonight!!”
BTW, my favorite Billy Joel song might be “Traveling Prayer”:
Hey Lord, would you look out for her tonight
And make sure all her dreams are sweet
Hey Lord, would ya guide her along the roads
And make them softer for her feet
Hey Lord, would ya look out for her tonight
And make sure that she’s gonna be alright
Until she’s home in here with me
By Mara
September 12, 2008 1:30 PM | Link to this
“A 30 year old as* is much older than a 70 year old man.”
I don’t get it. It doesn’t even make sense. Is it one of those culture-specific jokes, where you need to understand the subtexts of the associated culture to be able to see the humor?
By JokesOn
September 12, 2008 1:30 PM | Link to this
On the day that you claimed to be fishing, I checked the weather report for Cancun.
More lies and purposely misstating what was said.
Was not in Cancun proper, as I stated, and the weather was great. I even quoted weather dot com that it was not in the high 90s as you first claimed. Now, you want to claim that I was in a hurricane.
i am sure you feel guilt and simply project it somewhere other than its origin as usual.
Still, as I was posting earlier and you got personal again (and lied that I was doing this rant crap); your wonderful Palin was a deer in headlights on one question and did not address a few others since she had no teleprompter pulling her strings for her. Facts are facts - for those of us not in denial.
By Bruno
September 12, 2008 1:31 PM | Link to this
And for all the women who have been so kind to love me:
Hey Lord, won’t you look out for her tonight
‘Cause it gets rough along the way
Said Lord, if this song sounds strange
It’s just because I don’t know how to pray
So won’t you give her peace of mind
And if you ever find the time
Won’t you tell her I miss her ev’ry day
By Bruno
September 12, 2008 1:38 PM | Link to this
with Obama’s plan, (if he can get it passed) my HoneyBunny and I should save almost $1000 per year in taxes.
Don’t beleve it, Mara. Plus, if you own any stocks or property, the doubling of the capital gains taxes will be substantial. Unfortunately, I can’t unload my rental property right now due to the weak market, so will have to take a beating when I do sell it. Assuming Obama wins, that is. Right now, I think McCain might have enough momentum to pull it out.
P.S. Just for you:
If I travel all my life
and I never get stop and settle down
long as I have you by my side
there’s a roof above and good walls all around.
You’re my castle, you’re my cabin
and my instant pleasure dome.
I need you in my house
cuz you’re my home,..
you’re my home.
By Lyrazel
September 12, 2008 1:45 PM | Link to this
Will the Senate balk if Palin brings her child to the office and breast feeds?
I always wonder why family life of candidates for any office is considered a bellwether for justifying them in office because NONE of them are actually WITH their families much. Its been a proven fact that politicians make the worst parents because they are never home or involved in their family. Campaigning keeps them on the road, fundraising keeps them out late night—and of course they must always be available for their constituents—you the voting public must have access. This leaves the spouse to be parent and more often than not the spouse must be hanging on the right arm with a plastered-on smiley face of decency showing the values of said politician—meaning the kids are either at home with a guardian, in private school but always—elsewhere. Were their children anywhere near them except on a desk photograph? Ever notice when a politician poses with children—they are not theirs? Our lady of chocolate chip cookies Barbara Bush said that she regretted not being there for her children and blamed her husband’s political career for some incidents that occurred with her wild son. Like drug abuse, liquor abuse—and she is not alone. If one took a survey of politicians families I am sure the children come second to the career. Rudy Giuliani is the republican father of the year (or husband of the year?) Lets not go there.
As voters we really should pay more attention to issues than our TV media does. Our media gets distracted on sound bites and plies viewers with argumentative sound bites that are controversial because they need to gain ratings. We need to evaluate what sort of cabinet these men will make—because the cabinet makes most of the decisions for war—economy—laws to ignore. We need to check how these people voted (were they for hidden earmark bills, did they oppose stiffer immigration laws because their constituents who funded their campaigns had labor needs)—did they vote at all—or were they out campaigning and neglected their duty? How much time did these elected candidates spend fundraising last year? How much time at work? Issues not smiley faced families are what are important in an election.
By JokesOn
September 12, 2008 1:47 PM | Link to this
hey dog,
All well? Sounding more like yourself today than last time I heard from you.
By ?uestion
September 12, 2008 1:47 PM | Link to this
The Other..
You answered exactly the way I thought many would. I was well awake during the Primary, and other than the Bill Clinton flap which many said contained “racial” overtones. I disagree that this was the “daily” charge by the Obama campaign “every time Clinton landed a good jab”.
Many people like you would like to believe that “actual” racism does not exist and I do understand because you view things and speak from a “privileged and superior” position, so you just don’t get it.
The crux of my question though was if you or do you feel as uneasy about claims of racism as you do sexism, because sexism seems to go down so easy. I listen to blatant statements on the stump by candidates and surrogates, from pundits about how cool it would be to have a woman in the White House, “hard working whites”, “white women”, “middle aged white males” etc.. Yet if you took and substitute these expressions with “Black” what do you get?? America scared to death that’s what. Which is why Obama has worked so very hard to keep from using his color as a crutch (because at least reasonable people realize he is BIRACIAL).
By Mara
September 12, 2008 1:54 PM | Link to this
Bruno - if you own any stocks or property, the doubling of the capital gains taxes will be substantial
nope. I don’t have those kind of assets. While we DO have our 401K’s, the contributions are tax-free and we won’t be seeing and gains off of them for decades. And though we do own our home (well, partly own…) we get tax credits for paying the mortgage, so I’m not sure where you’re going with this.
I can count on one hand the number of people I know who might have stock portfolio’s or income property. Certainly nobody I know intimately does. On the other hand, the vast majority of folks I know live check-to-check with maybe a little in the bank for emergencies. If they own real estate, it’s the home the live in. In fact, I would feel comfortable in saying that, other than my employers and managers, I doubt I know anyone who makes more than maybe 80K.
By JokesOn
September 12, 2008 1:54 PM | Link to this
(Hmmm…. TOJ starts his typical personal fighting and everyone begins to clear out)
By The Other Jack
September 12, 2008 1:58 PM | Link to this
Bruno
Man, there have been some good songs. I’m not sure that people let those emotions come out for another person anymore.
Aretha Franklin sang a song about being cheated on called willing to forgive that just tears my heart out everytime i hear it. Man, that woman can sing.
I think the love of old love songs has kept my GF and I together more than anything. She has almost no furniture in her living room except a pretty nice stereo. We have spent hours slow dancing in the dark in that room. The Temptations singing “Night and Day” has turned some pretty bad arguments into some pretty unforgettable nights.
She claims that she learned English by listening to old torch songs.
By The Other Jack
September 12, 2008 2:04 PM | Link to this
?uestion
Many people like you would like to believe that “actual” racism does not exist and I do understand because you view things and speak from a “privileged and superior” position, so you just don’t get it.
People like me? Discussion over. If you are going to be a pre-judging bigot, be a bigot talking to someone else. Once again, a newbie that agrees with a certain half-wit attacks me like they know me. Damn, boy. Are you really this stupid?
By cara
September 12, 2008 2:08 PM | Link to this
I can’t wait until the record number of Bush haters come out and vote in November. We won’t hear anything but the door hitting Bush, Chaney, McCain and Palin in the azz on the way out. Sarah is a crazy red-neck hillbilly.
By Mara
September 12, 2008 2:12 PM | Link to this
Hi Lyrazel ~~~ waving ~~~
By The Other Jack
September 12, 2008 2:17 PM | Link to this
Bruno
Every one my my very liberal friends all own rental property. The largest owner is trying desperately to dump all sort of property before the election. They know that the democrats are lying, but they will defend them to the death.
My very small stock holdings will stay very small. As my ex used to love to say: I’m certainly not losing money”. But I dumped a bunch during 1999, just before the dot com collapse. I still have the advantages of being a preferred customer in a private account that is tied to a big corporate account (that’s what a good portfolio manager can do), but i seldom trade. My kids will probably get my stocks, if the democrat death tax doesn’t get it all.
By ?uestion
September 12, 2008 2:19 PM | Link to this
The “people like you” statement was merely based on the statement you made and nothing else. You expressed a specific personal idea. But I understand, you cannot engage in a challenging conversation containing controversial subject matter. Deflect the conversation and try to make me out to be what you really are. You simply choose not to deal with it. And thanks for the “boy” reference.
“People like you” tend do these sorts of things, since you have now properly revealed yourself.
Too bad it does not hinder my success in this world, and never has. It only drives me harder.
By NewVoters
September 12, 2008 2:20 PM | Link to this
NEW Voter registrations nationwide are at record numbers.
You suppose they are coming out to vote for the McCrusty and the book-banner(hypothetically of course….:)… ).?
By Rockerbabe
September 12, 2008 2:29 PM | Link to this
Governor Palin is a usurper, a flash in the pan that I hope makes it into the fire. A pitbull with lipstick; if she comes to Dekalb County were pitbulls are illegal, I will be sure to call Animal Control for a take down [after all, they are good at killing things that aren’t harmful; let’s see what they can do with a would-be lunatic VP].
Governor Palin has never gotten 18+ million votes in her life. Even if you counted all the elections she won, all the citizens in Alaska regardless of age, all the dogs, all the wolves, all the bears and polar bears, moose, seals and visiting whales. Heck, let’s count the western most provience of Canada for good measure! She is NO Senator Hilliary Clinton in any way shape or form except being a mother and a female.
Watching her interview with Charlies Gibson on Nightline gave me the impression of someone with little grasp of foreign affairs, little understanding of Dubya’s policies, little real understanding of global warming and a big heap of denial about Iraq [despite her son being deployed]. Her doubletalk left me perplexed. Her lies about the bridge to nowhere [I mean keeping the money isn’t exactly being honest], her pestering federal officials for earmarks, grants, her lobbying efforts, etc. That isn’t shaking up Washington, that’s a shakedown of the taxpayers! No way, no how, no Palin and that’s not sexism. That’s sanity.
By lyrazel
September 12, 2008 2:29 PM | Link to this
Hi Mara! Keep em jumping! Happy friday peeples!
By USinUK
September 12, 2008 2:31 PM | Link to this
Brunoooooooooooooooooooooo!!!
Happy Friday!!
Do you see that, or are you so blinded by your own personal political agenda that you TRULY believe that left-wingers are more fair, more intelligent, more educated, etc.?
I have no personal political agenda. My personal general agenda is: do work that I enjoy, spend time with the peeps I love. Try not to hurt anyone if it’s avoidable. Try to help if I can. OH … and don’t let lies flourish.
Generally, no - I don’t think the left-wing is any more fair/intelligent/educated than the right wing (better looking? that’s another question …) ;-)
PREAMBLE: BEFORE YOU READ THE FOLLOWING, PLEASE NOTE THAT THERE ARE EXCEPTIONS TO THE RULE ON BOTH SIDES OF THE AISLE, BUT THIS IS MY GENERAL VIEW:
what I do see is a lot more “I got mine” on the right than I do on the left … I see a lot more “do as I say, not as I do” on the right than I do on the left … and I see a lot more “there but for the grace of god go I” on the left than I do on the right …
I think we on the left get a lot of criticism for intolerance and I like to joke that intolerance is something I simply won’t put up with. Seriously, though, they’re right - we absolutely refuse to tolerate racism, which is why we support affirmative action. we refuse to tolerate homophobia, which is why we support equal rights for gays. we refuse to tolerate our freedoms being infringed upon (and, yes, that includes the right to worship the way we want to - even if that means not worshipping at all). we refuse to tolerate injustice in daily life if it’s something that can be changed (equal pay, things like the Americans with Disabilities Act, etc).
Now. does that mean that I think that all folks on the right are bigots/homophobes/religious fascists? of course not - I count myself lucky to have loads of republican friends and family, some issues we agree upon, some we don’t. None of them are bigots. None of them are homophobes and none of them particularly care if I pray (or, for that matter, particularly want prayer back in schools).
However, I think they are the silent majority on the right. The ones who clamor for the spotlight are the ones who bang on about God, Guns and Gays - it’s red meat for the loud minority, it helps raise funds and, frankly, those are the folks the GOP can count on when it comes to getting out the vote.
:::shrug::: that’s probably over-answering your question, but there it is. you asked for my view, you got it.
By The Other Jack
September 12, 2008 2:34 PM | Link to this
Hey boy
You don’t know me and I don’t know you, remember?
So far you have thrown a very familiar tantrum, but you are supposed to be a brand new poster, remember?
I call you a boy because you appear to have the emotional stability of a third grader, which in anyone’s book is a boy. Get it?
Now if you want crocodile tears for your “plight”, you will need to talk to someone else. I think you are crap, nothing more. Get it? Now run along, boy.
By Lyrazel
September 12, 2008 2:35 PM | Link to this
O dear me!! I forgot that the •#1• time politicians absolutely NEED family is when they are shamed by their own acts of indecency or corruption thus hoisted by their own petard. Ever notice they all need to spend more time with their family when they make a big boo boo? And there it shows how supportive a politicians wife must be—to stoically hand him over to the court for sentencing.
By Bruno
September 12, 2008 2:43 PM | Link to this
All well? Sounding more like yourself today than last time I heard from you.
Thanks for the shout, JokesOn. I wish I could say all is well, but it’s not. If I can’t find a way to earn more money, I’m going to have to cash it in by next year. I really, really F’ed up by selling my business 3 years ago.
TOJ and JokesOn: Is there any way you guys can drop your feuding?? It’s distressing to me, and likely the other bloggers. You are both good guys in your own ways. Both of you in the penalty box for flagrant fouls for 10 mins!
By JokesOn
September 12, 2008 2:49 PM | Link to this
TOJ,
Challenge ?uestion to settle it like a man and meet with you. Lets see it.
You just said enough to make him POed enough to meet you and you now look that much more stupid.
By JokesOn
September 12, 2008 2:52 PM | Link to this
TOJ and JokesOn: Is there any way you guys can drop your feuding?
Read back man. i posted on issue and TOJ is unable to keep the insults and personal crap out of it.
By Bruno
September 12, 2008 3:00 PM | Link to this
I think we on the left get a lot of criticism for intolerance and I like to joke that intolerance is something I simply won’t put up with. Seriously, though, they’re right - we absolutely refuse to tolerate racism, which is why we support affirmative action. we refuse to tolerate homophobia, which is why we support equal rights for gays. we refuse to tolerate our freedoms being infringed upon (and, yes, that includes the right to worship the way we want to - even if that means not worshipping at all). we refuse to tolerate injustice in daily life if it’s something that can be changed (equal pay, things like the Americans with Disabilities Act, etc).
The major difference I see between the left and right isn’t so much a difference in motivation or sincerity, but more an honest difference of opinion as to how best to achieve the good values you are proposing. That’s all. I have to go back to work, but will look forward to debating the merits of each of the specific programs you have mentioned.
better looking? that’s another question …) ;-)
Of course, once you include you and Mara into the mix, the scales may be a little tilted ; > }
By Bruno
September 12, 2008 3:04 PM | Link to this
Read back man. i posted on issue and TOJ is unable to keep the insults and personal crap out of it.
I understand, buddy. Do your best to be the bigger man.
By ?uestion
September 12, 2008 3:07 PM | Link to this
Well JokesOn I’m smart enough to realize that this whole “Cyberbeef” thing is nothing. I’ve conquered environments that would make both of you s—- your pants quite frankly. You’d like to make it seem as if this is something hostile. It’s a blog dude, it ain’t that serious. Maybe for you it is.
Don’t misconstrue the expression of an opinion as a “tantrum”, though I know people like you and ‘TO’ like to trivialize such things.
“Meet with me” huh??? Like your “boy” said just like I don’t know anything about him, neither does he about me, nor do you. So suffice it to say that “meeting with me” just might place you or him in a situation that you might not be prepared for. Think about that one if you will.. “BOYS”.
I’m still laughing… because you fools still think this is like 1960 or something..
By JokesOn
September 12, 2008 3:13 PM | Link to this
I understand, buddy. Do your best to be the bigger man.
Like I said, read back and see how since posting on topic and political stuff I have been swimming in his accusations and insults.
By SAR
September 12, 2008 3:15 PM | Link to this
I understand why the Democrats are becoming unhinged, rattled…falling apart at the seems. Their man, Apollo Barack Hussein Obama was given a green light on each issue he’s ever stood for. He was never vetted as acandidate should be. He was treated, in effect, like the affitmative action action kid in the class that everyone felt as if they ahd to say great things about,praise how intelligent, clean and articulate he is. If not, they surely would be labeled a racist. Now the gloves are off and the election is in the full tilt mode and they’re not at all use to it. To be tretaed equal. Had Obama been treated fairly from the get-go, he would not be the Democratic nomination.
By J Robert
September 12, 2008 3:19 PM | Link to this
Will someone from the left please tell me how your presidential nominee is more qualified to lead than our VP nominee. I have yet to here anyone answer that question without the phrase “community organizer”. Please throw me a bone…
By JokesOn
September 12, 2008 3:23 PM | Link to this
So suffice it to say that “meeting with me” just might place you or him in a situation that you might not be prepared for.
My point exactly.
By USinUK
September 12, 2008 3:30 PM | Link to this
Bruno -
I wish I could say all is well, but it’s not. If I can’t find a way to earn more money, I’m going to have to cash it in by next year. I really, really F’ed up by selling my business 3 years ago.
aw, buddy - I’m really sorry to hear things are difficult for you right now.
we’re just all glad to see you back in the sandbox - it hasn’t been the same without you!! (and not in a good way)
in the meantime, have you found a sport/activity, yet?? as always, know that there are folkses out here sending you big squeezes and cheering you on :-)
The major difference I see between the left and right isn’t so much a difference in motivation or sincerity, but more an honest difference of opinion as to how best to achieve the good values you are proposing
well said, my friend. well said.
By USinUK
September 12, 2008 3:30 PM | Link to this
Bruno -
I wish I could say all is well, but it’s not. If I can’t find a way to earn more money, I’m going to have to cash it in by next year. I really, really F’ed up by selling my business 3 years ago.
aw, buddy - I’m really sorry to hear things are difficult for you right now.
we’re just all glad to see you back in the sandbox - it hasn’t been the same without you!! (and not in a good way)
in the meantime, have you found a sport/activity, yet?? as always, know that there are folkses out here sending you big squeezes and cheering you on :-)
The major difference I see between the left and right isn’t so much a difference in motivation or sincerity, but more an honest difference of opinion as to how best to achieve the good values you are proposing
well said, my friend. well said.
By ESR
September 12, 2008 3:32 PM | Link to this
Community Organizer= Finding ways to get money from working people to give to ‘urban’ people who have no plan, no goals, no incintive to do better; no future, no hope and damn sure..no business with my tax money. Obama, you will not be able to redistibute the wealth of Americans through the IRS, no way…no how. Obama would be much better off in a Muslim country where he belongs. Then he can hear the song of evening Islamic prayer which he is on record as saying is the most beautiful sound in the world. Osama…err Obama, never. The man is a Muslim.
By lovelyliz
September 12, 2008 3:36 PM | Link to this
The restaurant where I had lunch today had several big TV’s going. One of them had Fox News which was running a story on the Sarah Palin memorabilia that was popping up everywhere and they just had to show the thong underwear with the GOP VP’s candidate on them. Aren’t you so glad that Fox News respects Sarah Palin?
By Gandalf, the Grey
September 12, 2008 3:38 PM | Link to this
YEAH SARA!
She is so much fun to watch!
?uestion
Something you need to know out brother “JokesOn”, not only would he never show up for any such meeting, he has a mild yellow streak running down his back, but also you need to know, he was 15 years old when he was an 8th grader! So he was more than likely the big bully type back then, and he must hang on to that still. Just tell him to STFU and forgive him
J. Robert
That is just mean to do! It’s Friday and you are going to ruin these libs whole weekend! Please don’t make them…
By Gandalf, the Grey
September 12, 2008 3:40 PM | Link to this
Oh oldest of 8th graders, she got it spot on. War with Russia. You (Dingdong)! What do you think the result of an attack on a NATO nation will be? Diplomacy? (Dingdong) it mean nuclear war, PERIOD. End of story, do not pass go, do not collect $200 dollars, put you kids in the bomb shelter. At least she undestands that. Bounce this oh, oldest of 8th Graders! The McCain/Palin ticket is in fine shape. No sane Amercan will vote for Obama with so much at stake. We don’t need socialism now, we need leadership. We need change! McCain/Palin for Real Change!
By USinUK
September 12, 2008 3:44 PM | Link to this
damn. sorry for the double-post.
By USinUK
September 12, 2008 3:49 PM | Link to this
lovelyliz -
One of them had Fox News which was running a story on the Sarah Palin memorabilia that was popping up everywhere and they just had to show the thong underwear with the GOP VP’s candidate on them
dangitall!
I was just starting to cleanse my mind of the image of John McCaine crooning ““I love you baaaaaaby and if it’s quite all right I need you baaaaaaaby to warm the lonely nights I love you baaaaaaaby, trust in me when I say Oh pretty baaaaaaby, don’t bring me down I pray Oh pretty baaaaaaby, now that I’ve found you stay And let me love you baby, let me love you” to Sarah Palin.
:::shudder:::
and now you add THONGS to the mix??? eeeeesh.
By USinUK
September 12, 2008 3:59 PM | Link to this
TOJ -
But you obviously know much more about copyrights than I do.
okay, third time’s a charm on this one (other 2 replies were eaten by W2W gremlins)
look. I’m not an expert - but, of all the now 15-20 articles I’ve read on the subject from Time to Wired, all of them say the same thing: McCain paid for a license so he may legally use the song, however the artist has requested” that he stop - since the song isn’t used in a commercial setting, they can request, but cannot demand. Jackson Brown was able to demand a C&D order because they used it in a commercial.
you are free to believe whatever you like, but I’d suggest you do a little googling and read what is being said.
By Gale
September 12, 2008 4:12 PM | Link to this
I love what Nancy Wilson said about the song. “The song ‘Barracuda’ was written in the late 70s as a scathing rant against the soulless, corporate nature of the music business, particularly for women. (The ‘barracuda’ represented the business.)”
Let’s see, Palin is the barracuda.
By Gale
September 12, 2008 4:16 PM | Link to this
And then this one from the Wilsons, “Sarah Palin’s views and values in NO WAY represent us as American women.”
I don’t think they like St Sarah of the tundra.
By Bone tosser
September 12, 2008 4:17 PM | Link to this
*Will someone from the left please tell me how your presidential nominee is more qualified to lead than our VP nominee. I have yet to here anyone answer that question without the phrase “community organizer”. Please throw me a bone… *
It would be inappropriate to cut and paste extensive lists of accomplishments here, since you are likely capable of doing your own research, and will almost certainly only give any real consideration to only the links and articles that seem to fit your existing views.
However, I will address the realm of running and campaigning for the highest office in the land. Senator Obama has spent the better part of two years meeting as many Americans as he can in as many corners of this country as he can. He’s listened to their individual concerns, and those of business owners of every size, while also trying to consider the big picture and the way forward for us as a nation. It’s not just that he wants to change Washington, but he wants to inspire the citizens of this great nation to care and to become involved in our own future. (Of course if you want to sit home and snipe and whine instead, that’s your decision to make.)
Governor Palin has only recently become involved in national concerns, and then only to the extent that it helps “the ticket” (ticket first, country second, from her response in Gibson’s interview), and only to the depth to which she was briefed by the party officials who decided to award her the position. I do not wish to belittle her experience as Mayor or Governor — important jobs — even though I disagree with many of her policies. (I’ll even give you the “every politician lies” defense on the discrepancies in order to focus on the actual question here.) But as the Mayor of Wasilla and Governor of Alaska, she IS less qualified to address the varied issues of the American people in the lower 48, since she’s spent virtually no time getting to know us. If I were snarky and mean, I might take jabs at what she was or was NOT doing at home or at the office in the time that Senator Obama has been dedicated to the cause of preparing to repair the government of and lead a nation of more than 300 million, but that also would dilute the point:
The single most important, if least utilized, function of the Vice President is to be capable and ready to be President in an emergency. Senator Obama may not have as much pre-presidential preparation as some would like, but Governor Palin is still in second grade on that particular gradution track. By her own admission a few weeks ago, she did not even know what the VP’s job entails.
Hope that helps.
By Betty Q
September 12, 2008 4:18 PM | Link to this
WOW! So this is what its like if you have a woman running for a top position. I never knew women could be so petty, nasty and catty. If you say the least negative thing about Sarah Palin - whether it be the news, talk show host, or individuals - and you will hear women threatening to never watch that channel again and to boycott shows. How silly!!! What does this have to do with electing a vice president and being concerned with the serious issues going on right now?
I’m seeing that women want to be and should be treated equal with men; but deep down they want to be treated special and with kid gloves! Forget it. Sarah is in the kitchen so she and Obama with both have to put up with some heat. This is hard ball.
By Gandalf, the Grey
September 12, 2008 4:39 PM | Link to this
Bone Tosser! We all understand you can’t find any thing to paste, don’t pretend, we are all friends here, (well except for That oldest of 8th graders, CHOKES ON and Copywrong. But both are too silly to vote, so I am not worried about them!) I understand that Barry has gone to all 57 states! Do you care to comment on that?
Gale and Expat! Enjoy the weekend! the gentler Wizard shall return with wit and insight on Monday!
YEAH WIZARD!
YEAH CONSERVATISM!
A BIG STFU to MY NEIGHBOR WHO’S POKER GAME I WON’T ATTEND TONIGHT BECAUSE HE IS SUCH A (DUMBASS!)
By Hmmmmm
September 12, 2008 4:44 PM | Link to this
USinUK or UKinUS……… Whatever. :))
You seem to be getting a little bitter. Recognize this as FEAR. Deal with it and move on. The question, Do Democrats have a double standard?? LMAO. The libs have a double standard on everything that’s not slanted to their rose colored world. NOTHING NEW HERE!
By Throw Me Another Bone
September 12, 2008 4:53 PM | Link to this
So Obama is qualified to be President because he has spent the last two years “meeting people”. LOL!
By Gandalf, the Grey
September 12, 2008 4:58 PM | Link to this
Sara is such a sweet sweet mother! No killing babies for the Palins! Killing babies is for liberals, conservatives like to kill wolves and bears and such! Liberals like their meat killed in a cage. Who here love that cat from Detroit, TED NUGENT! That is who McCain wanted, he asked Ted, well, if you won’t run oh great one, who should I pick? Ted said, that palin hottie up above the great white north! That girl is BBBBBBBBBBBAD to the bone…(I know that one isn’t ted, but I am on a roll here!) And so it came to be that America remained the home of the freebird and home of lagrange….lot of nice girls out there…have a good weekend! CAR POOL and shower with a friend.
By Thorazine time!
September 12, 2008 5:23 PM | Link to this
Somebody call Peachford. The creepy old guy who thinks he’s a magic wizard has been barfing up his meds in the urinal again.
By katnick
September 12, 2008 5:52 PM | Link to this
This is whole thing is a non issue. Equal opportunity for all regardless of gender. Equal pay for equal work. Making choices and setting priorities. Period.
Gov. Palin thinks she can raise a special needs child, deal with an unmarried pregnant 17y/o daughter, as well as 3 other children and take on the tremendous responsibility of being VP. She has clearly made a number of choices.
The reality is Superwoman and Superman only exist in the comics. I think most women (especially those of us who have been working mothers) and men know this. Who am I to question Gov. Palin and her choices and priorities? As a US citizen, I am obligated to.
By DemWorkingMother
September 14, 2008 8:59 AM | Link to this
What Palin and her supporters don’t get is that there is a time and a place for everything.
If you can make the choice, stay home with your five month old special needs infant. Especially if you have a pregnant teen and two other children at home that do not need to get lost in the shuffle with the other two kids.
She is fairly young. She could have continued her job as gov. and still been close to home and her children. Gained more experience AND taken care of her kids.
She chose otherwise. THAT shows her character to me.
I have no doubt someone will be taking care of that baby and the other kids.
It just won’t be their mother.
By Georgia Gal
September 14, 2008 9:46 AM | Link to this
It really drives me crazy that certain people always blame the Democratic party for Hillary not being the Democratic nominee when it was people like myself who are the reason for her not being the nominee simply because we didn’t vote for her. I actually don’t have a problem with her like alot of people out there do, I just don’t think she would’ve made a good President (or VP for that matter) because she is too devisive and since our current President has managed to tear this country apart that is clearly the last thing this country needs in a President right now. And as far as Barack not choosing her to be his VP … that’s his business and she seems to be fine with it, so for those of you still whining over it … please get over it and move on. Joe Biden will make an excellent running mate for Barack Obama and if any of you who were going to vote for Hillary really think that Sarah Palin is an alternative to her, please get real. Just look at their stands on the issues … in no way are they even remotely similar. If anyone who says they were going to vote for Hillary is voting for the republican ticket simply because of Sarah Palin then they were probably never interested in the issues anyway. IMO, those people only wanted a woman in the office. Also, another thing, John McCain, who is 72 years old and who has 4 bouts with cancer really should’ve chosen someone as his running mate who is actually qualified to be his running mate (if he wanted to choose a woman he could’ve chosen any number of highly qualified republican women from Kay Bailey Hutchinson to Elizabeth Dole to Susan Collins to Olympia Snowe to Jodi Rell (Governor of Connecticut) or if he wanted to choose someone who would bring change to the ticket he could’ve chosen Joe Lieberman, but instead he chose a ultra-conservative woman in a pathetic attempt to play to his base (which he was having trouble getting on his own) and in another pathetic attempt to try to falsely lure women voters into voting for the republican ticket. Barack Obama may not be overly qualified, but atleast he chose a VP that could help him run the country instead of someone who would just get him elected, which proves to me that the country as a whole is a bigger concern to him than just himself. I’m not overly wild about the Democratic party, but for all of these reasons I will have to vote for Obama-Biden come November. For crying out loud, Sarah Palin didn’t even know what the Bush Doctrine was and sure there are alot of us out there who didn’t really know what it was either, but we’re not running for VP of the United States. Someone running for any public office and especially for President or VP of the U.S. should absolutely know what this is.
By Paul
September 14, 2008 9:48 AM | Link to this
Debate the issues all you want. It makes interesting reading for the choir. Unless one of the candidates makes a serious blunder, which is unlikely; [issues] make no difference in this election. Pop Culture will decide this election. The choices are obvious.
By The Other Jack
September 14, 2008 9:50 AM | Link to this
DemWorkingMother
So you believe that being a Vice President, who’s job is to stand around waiting for someone to die will take up more of Palin’s time than being the governor of a State. I see.
Is there anything that Democrats aren’t going to try and claim to keep the first woman president from being a Republican?
But this is a nice tack that you are being taught to vomit. If a woman has children, she can’t hold political office. That certainly narrows the field, doesn’t it?
The world is seeing a lot of people’s character during this election. The overall perception of the character of many liberal women is being quickly changed.
So what will you start whining when you as a DemWorkingMother is denied a promotion at work because someone decides that because you have kids, that you can’t do the job? That is execatly what you are claiming in the case of Sarah Palin. Are you willing to stand behind your stance and NEVER take another advancement in your work, of will you get to decide whether you can do the job, a privilege that you are denying another working mother?
Do any of you realize that you are agreeing with the same people that have been using your sex to hold you down? Do any of you realize what you are doing to the advances women have made?
N.O.W.’s stance behind Uncle Biilly’s fun with his knee-pad lover cost NOW a huge slice of it’s credibility. Now you are willing to concede that a working mother could never hold a demanding job. Is there anything that you will not do, that will obviously hurt the rights of all women, for the two men that are running for the White House for the DNC?
By Waaaaaambulance
September 14, 2008 9:54 AM | Link to this
Like I said, read back and see how since posting on topic and political stuff I have been swimming in his accusations and insults.
You aren’t going to cry, are you?
By USinUK
September 14, 2008 9:59 AM | Link to this
hmmmm -
You seem to be getting a little bitter. Recognize this as FEAR. Deal with it and move on. The question, Do Democrats have a double standard?? LMAO. The libs have a double standard on everything that’s not slanted to their rose colored world. NOTHING NEW HERE!
wow. your rapier wit. it’s just so overwhelming. no. really. I hope you stretched after your posting - would hate to think you hurt yourself with the strain of such brilliant rhetoric.
Recognize this as FEAR
yeah - we are scared. we are absolutely terrified of the prospect of another 4 or (god forbid) 8 years of a GOP in the WH. the last 7+ years have been disasterous enough and have managed to do more damage to this country than Al Quaeda ever could on their own. Freedom? Upholding the Constitution? The current administration sure as hell doesn’t believe in it.
We need a new administration that will make my country great again - that will make it the shining example it USED TO BE.
By Waaaaaambulance
September 14, 2008 10:03 AM | Link to this
Waaaaaambulance
Now, now. He’s allowed to whine and cry and complain.
No one else is … but he is.
By The Other Jack
September 14, 2008 10:06 AM | Link to this
USinUK
Got up this morning and gas is now a dollar more than it was three days ago. Isn’t it time that the government does something … anything?
By USinUK
September 14, 2008 10:14 AM | Link to this
TOJ -
Got up this morning and gas is now a dollar more than it was three days ago. Isn’t it time that the government does something … anything?
yes. they should start by controlling the direction of hurricanes. that would be a huge help.
then, they can change the laws of supply and demand in such a way that reducing supplies of critical materials (by doing things like shutting down refineries), it will actually lower prices
after they do all that, they can bake everyone cookies.
how’s that?
By jc_atl
September 14, 2008 10:15 AM | Link to this
I said thanks but no thanks to Palin.
She might be a credible candidate if she actually had some national political experience, or was governor of a state with at least the population of metro Atlanta. This has nothing to do with her gender. It has to do with the fact that she was chosen strictly for her genitalia and her religious views with no regard to her ability to step in should Gramps McSame kick it which is not exactly out of the realm of possibilities.
I decided four years ago that I would continue voting AGAINST THE GOP. Not the same as voting for the Democrats but the GOP has been a non-stop, 8 year wrecking ball for this country.
By The Other Jack
September 14, 2008 10:44 AM | Link to this
USinUK
Soooo. This is a liberal saying that the price of gas is a matter of supply and demand How long have I been asleep?
Hey, sorry about the copyright smart ellick response on Friday. It was the end of two weeks of personal copyright hell. Last week, I was dealing with a crazy old woman that somehow convinced the county attorney that she would be allowed to sue them for using a picture that was taken in 1914 and another one taken in 1910. I got that straightened out by paying my (and I use the term “My” very loosely) copyright attorney to call the county attorney and explain that no photograph taken before 1923 can be copyrighted. So my call to her and her call to the county attorney cost $425. For two pictures.
Then on Wednesday, I got a call from BMI. I had made a deal with a really good traditional music band to use their music for the haunted Inn piece. But now that the piece will not be seen on a national network series, their “agent” decided to call BMI. So now, they are involved. They never back off and because I can’t give them a definite usage, they want the “All Instances” license”, which is more than my total budget.
The band wants me to use the music, and I have their name on a release, but BMI also called the spineless county attorney and I need to get rid of the music. $425 ain’t going to fix this one.
I edit backwards because I started editing on old linear systems and learned to edit to music instead of adding music last, like most people do. So everything I have edited will need to be dumped. I am starting all over, with no music, two weeks before the deadline.
I deal with copyrights maybe once every year or two, but this is a nightmare.
But the point I was trying to make is that copyright laws are so screwed up and they have been altered so many times, that no one seems to know what is legal, except a very wealthy woman who charges $200 for a phone consultation. (She should have a 900 number.)
But irregardless, that was a snotty thing to say and while I do enjoy saying snotty things to you at times, that one was out of frustration that you had little to do with. Sorry about that.
By get educated!
September 14, 2008 11:21 AM | Link to this
Guess what! I don’t want some “hockey mom” I can identify with running this country!!! Are you people insane? You really want some basically average person of average intelligence and average abilities running this nation!?! Have we lost our collective minds? I would much rather have the guy who graduated top of his class at Columbia and Harvard Law than some random “mom” who took 6 years to get a journalism degree from a school in Idaho runing with a guy who graduated at the very, very bottom of his Naval Academy class. Call me sexist. Call me liberal. Call me anything you want. But this chick can’t manage her own children and keep them from getting pregnant at 16. How can she manage our entire nation? And to be perfectly honest McCain does not have the insight to run if this is his best choice for VP. I want the smartest people running the country, not someone I am comfortable with.
By USinUK
September 14, 2008 11:57 AM | Link to this
TOJ -
I deal with copyrights maybe once every year or two, but this is a nightmare.
good gravy. you DID need a hug on Friday!!
:::hugs:: (belated)
:-)
and I’ve never argued laws of supply and demand with you - in fact, I’ve cited it numerous times when we’ve discussed the rising price for gas
btw - in addition to IKE, OPEC voted that they like $100+/bl and decided to cut production last week, so get used to $3+/gal:
Hours after suffering a rare setback in a negotiating session at OPEC’s headquarters, Saudi Arabian officials assured world markets on Wednesday that they would ignore the wishes of other cartel members and continue to pump plenty of oil.
The late-night bargaining session ended early Wednesday morning with a surprise declaration that OPEC would cut production to shore up sagging prices. Saudi negotiators publicly endorsed that position, but then spent much of Wednesday privately spreading the word that they did not feel bound by it.
so, that was the other reason gas prices spiked again at the end of last week
By The Other Jack
September 14, 2008 12:02 PM | Link to this
get educated!
I would much rather have the guy
That pretty much sums it up.
Liberals work so hard to set themselves up as the fair minded, open, kind people that only want the best for everyone. Then something happens where they have to put their money where their mouth is. Something happens where they are forced to form an opinion of someone other than another liberal.
At that point, a very ugly side of liberalism is being exposed. It is the same kind of ugliness that has caused some of the very worst things to happen to humanity. it is a deep rooted bigotry that says if anyone does not think like you, then you should never treat them with any sort of respect or kindness.
This election is exposing that ugliness. I think that is why Sarah Palin was selected. The Republicans were not worried about her pregnant child. They were not worried about her experience. They understood her value. Her value was to strip off that sparkling false veneer and expose many in the democratic party as the hypocritical bigots that they have been all along.
This doesn’t apply to all Democrats or to all liberals. But this certainly gives voice to a very ugly side of a very many people who claim to be something that they are not.
By stan
September 14, 2008 12:18 PM | Link to this
I know this isn’t about Guilliani,but I’m sick and tired of this guy. people forget that he was hounded out of office, standing on his last leg as New York mayor,Cut down by the press for his personal and public missteps, Then 9/11 happens and he has been pimping that sense,I still trying to find out what he did that was so heroic,but the media and the American people bought it hook,line,and sinker, What a Gerbil this creep is.
By alvy singer
September 14, 2008 12:34 PM | Link to this
Most disgusting right wing double standard thus far: Constant ranting about Michelle Obama’s out of context, and well explained, comment about pride in America. Contrast that with Todd Palin’s MEMBERSHIP in an organization which pushed for Alaska to secede from the United States. Not extreme Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and company???
By The Other Jack
September 14, 2008 12:37 PM | Link to this
USinUK
Hug accepted.
I haven’t given up on the music. The musicians were very excited about using it and I still might be able to work something out.
I wish there was some way I could direct you to a place where my work is posted. I think you would love this piece. I have nothing on U-Tube or any of the public sites. To see my stuff, you need to go to a specific site and type in a code which I am certainly not going to put on this forum.
Here’s an idea, if you want to try it. Needless to say, I trust you not to post the information back here. Tell me the name of a VERY local newspaper that you can pick up, like the Creative Loafer, here. If they don’t put their ads on the internet, I could post a personal ad to USinUK in the next few weeks, listing the information. My name, company address and company phone number is on the site, so if you don’t want that responsibility, I understand. I still wouldn’t know anything about you, so I am the only one that could be hurt. It’s up to you.
Gas prices.
I don’t care why the gas prices are up. I filled up yesterday and it was already $3.99/gal. It sucks and it is making the prices at the grocery store completely crazy. Somebody fix it. If we don’t get this straightened out, in a few years, if this isn’t fixed, our economy is going to be in shambles and the already wealthy Saudies (and apparently Russians) are going to be in total control of the world economy.
The only force in the solar system that is powerful enough to change this is the United States government. If the Democrats want to be in charge, they had better have a positive plan to fix this. No drilling, no Nuclear and no coal is not going to do this. We need to use every energy resource we OWN or we are screwed. If we are not going to drill here, we had better be ready to go to war after war after war and I don’t think anyone wants that.
It is beautiful here and I am stuck in this office. No fun.
By jc_atl
September 14, 2008 1:27 PM | Link to this
This election boils down to one thing: If you like Bush vote for McSame. He will be kow-towing to the same special interests that Bush did because they are the ones who will be responsible for getting him elected. One need only look at his campaign staff to see that they are all lobbyists, with the guy selected for his transition committee should the unthinkable happen being a lobbyist for big oil.
Palin is laughably unqualified to be one heartbeat from the presidency and the spittle would be flying on FauxNews if a Democrat selected such a poor runnin mate. She is a convenient distraction from the fact that not even Republicans like McCain enough to go out and vote for him. That he now has to campaign with here in tow to generate any buzz says it all.
A vote for McCain is a vote for Bush’s 3rd term.
By catlady
September 14, 2008 1:36 PM | Link to this
Edwards (before the other woman) was excorriated for thinking of running with a sick wife at home and children who need him. But Palin is applauded for running with at least 4 children (Bulldozer, I mean Track, is a man, right?) who badly need both their parents (no more month off to go hunting for hubby, by the way)? It’s not just the whole family values thing. It is the “it’s okay for me but not for you” thing.
Kudos to Jack of all Trades for sharing the duplicity list with us.
Sarah Palin put her pregnant daughter into play. She has to live with the results. For those who say,”but if she didn’t run it would hurt her daughter’s self-esteem to be the cause of it” I would say, she could have refused and not let her daughter know she had even been considered. As it is now, when McPalin loses, how is her daughter going to feel? “My pregnancy cost my mom the vice presidency”???
Until your house is spotless, don’t be saying you are the best housekeeper.
If the sperm donor really planned, on his own, to marry the daughter he would have done so before now. Waiting like this appears to be an attempt to use the situation (whether for medical benefits, politics, or whatever).
As a teacher I see many neglectful parents like the Palins. The difference is, they are called “trash” where I live.
So here is what I think we have: McCain, experienced ELDER politician whose policies I do not like (more of the same). Feels the need to obsessively bring up his POW status. Running with Palin, who adds absolutely nothing positive to the ticket.
Obama, very thin on experience, charming, intelligent, definitely different from the last 8 years. The racial politics could be of concern for many white folks. Running with Biden, a very experienced politician whose politics are more closely in line with mainstream America (those who do not foam at the mouth to the right or left).
Neither ticket is the dream team, so we go with what we hope is the lesser of the two questionable choices for this country.
By catlady
September 14, 2008 2:07 PM | Link to this
Edwards (before the other woman) was excorriated for thinking of running with a sick wife at home and children who need him. But Palin is applauded for running with at least 4 children (Bulldozer, I mean Track, is a man, right?) who badly need both their parents (no more month off to go hunting for hubby, by the way)? It’s not just the whole family values thing. It is the “it’s okay for me but not for you” thing.
Kudos to Jack of all Trades for sharing the duplicity list with us.
Sarah Palin put her pregnant daughter into play. She has to live with the results. For those who say,”but if she didn’t run it would hurt her daughter’s self-esteem to be the cause of it” I would say, she could have refused and not let her daughter know she had even been considered. As it is now, when McPalin loses, how is her daughter going to feel? “My pregnancy cost my mom the vice presidency”???
Until your house is spotless, don’t be saying you are the best housekeeper.
If the sperm donor really planned, on his own, to marry the daughter he would have done so before now. Waiting like this appears to be an attempt to use the situation (whether for medical benefits, politics, or whatever).
As a teacher I see many neglectful parents like the Palins. The difference is, they are called “trash” where I live.
So here is what I think we have: McCain, experienced ELDER politician whose policies I do not like (more of the same). Feels the need to obsessively bring up his POW status. Running with Palin, who adds absolutely nothing positive to the ticket.
Obama, very thin on experience, charming, intelligent, definitely different from the last 8 years. The racial politics could be of concern for many white folks. Running with Biden, a very experienced politician whose politics are more closely in line with mainstream America (those who do not foam at the mouth to the right or left).
Neither ticket is the dream team, so we go with what we hope is the lesser of the two questionable choices for this country.
BTW, I am not putting down McCain’s service or POW status. My dad was a POW in Germany in WW2 (Battle of the Bulge) and froze during the cruel winter of 1944-45. He always said it was nothing to be proud of to have been captured, and nothing to be proud of to survive. The DEAD were the real heroes.
By The Other Jack
September 14, 2008 3:02 PM | Link to this
As a teacher I see many neglectful parents like the Palins. The difference is, they are called “trash” where I live.
I’m sure they are. I’m sure there is a thousand reasons that you can invent that allows you to look down your nose at other people.
Like I said: A very ugly side of liberalism is being exposed. It is the same kind of ugliness that has caused some of the very worst things to happen to humanity. it is a deep rooted bigotry that says if anyone does not think like you, then you should never treat them with any sort of respect or kindness.
By Joyce Watts
September 14, 2008 5:58 PM | Link to this
Liberalism: Principles and Theories. Generous or Bountiful. Conservatism: Disposition to keep to established ways: Opposition to change.
Each one of us as human beings think in this manner. No one person or group have the monopoly on either being CHEAP or SPENDING to much.
The so call RICH does it just as the so called POOR do it. Thus STARS die broke or become broke (Finances) long before death. The poor like the rich spend money they do not have and most often never will have. Thus we have the ones or groups who live like they can dine daily drinking that good delicious white wine, when they know that they do not even have money to buy cheap beer.
When will we stop whining about who is too LIBERAL or who is too CONSERVATIVE.
Bounty is just that Bounty. The lack of or No BOUNTY is simply No BOUNTY.
We either want to help or we do not help. We either care or we don not care. Do most of you even know your neighbor? How many of you care to now your neighbor? Separation of classes (PEOPLE) is nothing new.
It is not UNIQUE that we vote, most of us anyway. Yet before most of us would vote for a person of different color to go to the address on 1600 Pennsylvania Ave we want vote at all!
Do you know how long it took those who could only vote at one time in my years of living here in These United States, which inclueds Puerto Rico to date. Alaska and Hawaii in the 1950’s.
Do the Math. Did most of you across the people board ever stop and think, thus realizing who has had control and chrge of These United States for all of these years past and to date.
Did you ever stop to think out of FORTY THREE Presidents in These United States they have never been anyone of COLOR OR COLOUR.
When did LIBERALISM or CONSERVATISM tell us that one person just one person was better than your neigbor. You do realize that when you talk tis TRASH (WORDS) that this is exactly what is being siad to our CHILDREN and GRAND CHILDREN.
Too much too long and it is time to vote because your vote matters, not for LIBERALISM or CONSERVATISM.
Each one of our VOTE should mean more to us than a simple DEFINITION in MR. or Ms. or Mrs. Webster Dictionary.
If you must get involve do it simply because you, me them they know better, and not because you, me, them or they have become LIBERALISM or CONSERVATISM. Mrs. sarah Palin, has not exposed any sad or ugliness about the Democratic Party. Where were you when the news was told abouth her children? Where were you when she gave her speech of acceptance as the VP for McCain and the Republican Party.
If Mrs. Sarah Palin and the Republicans were so honest and fortright the news or informative words abouth her family that those of you who considered it to be News worthy, would have come with an absolute package. In her will and desire to clean house across America nd Iraq, Iran and Afghanistan and those other trust me WEALTHY COUNTRIES could have been discussed so much earlier.
LIBERALISM or CONSERVATISM could not have dodged those flying bullets, nor running criss cross hoping not to be hit by that BLAT either.
To anyone including Obama is absolutely correct. It does not matter how you dress a PIG o r cur it’s tail and put any color ribbon on it you want, the TRUTH is it is stilla PIG. This includes any topic of conversation about any of GOD’s four legged animals. Dog is a Dog and you can dress him or her in FUR and colorful ribbons too. I suppose you might want to put Sterling Silver or 24K Studs on a collar around your small or big Dog’s neck, but believe me when I tell you it is still a Dog!
I agree too that the Dead and those who come home blind in both eyes or one eye forever, or perhaps your daughter or son son or daughter continually have nightmares, or had to completely lose a hand, fingers, foot or feet they are the true HEROES. Do not ever forget those who become mentally ill never to see the world the way they should as Children of the MOST HIGHEST JEHOVAH.
No one wins a WAR. If you doubt me ask my SON or talk to a KOREAN VET, we always misplace those men and women, women and men. Did you ever hear a MOTHER’S SCREAM when she sees anyone in UNIFORM come to her door, I might add long before that person or persons even reach her door, seing them drive up she and the dad just knew why tey had come all that distance bring No good NEWS. I have never seen anyone from our President’s Staff come to see those FAMILIES. I often wonder WHY? I wonder do they even consider those FAMILIES when they make or appoint someone to do a Merry Christmas Card Greeting?
Oh, for a minute I forgot, let me go back to a reality check. I did and too often during VIETNAM, see this happen in my neighborhood and surrounding neighborhoods across Pensacola, FL. Men who were not even NINETEEN or close to becoming TWENTY, just old enough to buy “smokes or even a “beer”
To be a PRESIDENT of any COUNTRY or These United States does not mean that you are Special, it is an HONOR. It might not be Obama, but one day our children will see the FRAMERS in those WIGS and the SLAVES in WIGS too, simply there on that CANVAS as SERVERS.
On that one day the FRAMERS will still wear WIGS and so will the SLAVES. I can guarantee you these words it will have a far fetching and larger meaning to see anyone of COLOR or COLOUR become one of the SELECT new FRAMERS, and there will be NO WIGS on any man, and it will almost make it RIGHT!
This does include a New canvas with our WOMEN too. I wonder how much or what will it mean to the LIBERALISM and the CONSERVATISM of PEOPLE?
The day will come and it too shall make HISTORY and pass. We owe this too each one of our Children across These United States of America.
Joyce Watts, Pensacola, FL
By USinUK
September 15, 2008 8:40 AM | Link to this
TOJ -
It sucks and it is making the prices at the grocery store completely crazy. Somebody fix it. If we don’t get this straightened out, in a few years, if this isn’t fixed, our economy is going to be in shambles and the already wealthy Saudies (and apparently Russians) are going to be in total control of the world economy
I know this is going to sound flippant, but it really isn’t meant to be: you can’t be for a free-market economy then whine when prices go up.
Sorry, but what we’re experiencing is brought about by a quasi-free-market economy (“quasi” because of OPEC and government farm subsidies). What we’ve got are more people owning and driving cars requiring more fuel helping drive prices up. At the same time, we have a cartel of oil producers who have started getting $100/bl for their product (a product whch will eventually run out), so they’re tryng to “make hay while the sun shines.”
We also have more people worldwide demanding food products - wheat, corn, pork, etc - that also drives up the cost of food.
It’s basic supply and demand.
What do you want the government to do? Additional subsidies? If that’s what you want, then I think you need to hand in your GOP membership card before I tell Grover Norquist about you.
By Gale
September 15, 2008 8:51 AM | Link to this
Joyce Watts, You were certainly on a roll. I think you were criticizing the focus on liberal vs conservative as… maybe disruptive and distracting from the issues we should focus on as citizens. I am afraid I found it difficult to understand. Perhaps you could restate your post more consisely?
By USinUK
September 15, 2008 8:59 AM | Link to this
Gale -
I am afraid I found it difficult to understand. Perhaps you could restate your post more consisely?
glad it wasn’t just me …
By Gale
September 15, 2008 9:12 AM | Link to this
I really did try to understand. She seemed quite passionate about what she was trying to say. I don’t want to kick the post to the curb because I think she did make some good points. I just couldn’t get my arms around the whole thought.
By USinUK
September 15, 2008 9:26 AM | Link to this
Gale -
I don’t want to kick the post to the curb because I think she did make some good points. I just couldn’t get my arms around the whole thought.
ummmm … ???
To be a PRESIDENT of any COUNTRY or These United States does not mean that you are Special, it is an HONOR. It might not be Obama, but one day our children will see the FRAMERS in those WIGS and the SLAVES in WIGS too, simply there on that CANVAS as SERVERS.
On that one day the FRAMERS will still wear WIGS and so will the SLAVES. I can guarantee you these words it will have a far fetching and larger meaning to see anyone of COLOR or COLOUR become one of the SELECT new FRAMERS, and there will be NO WIGS on any man, and it will almost make it RIGHT!
(… don’t drink and post … shhhhhh)
By Gale
September 15, 2008 9:45 AM | Link to this
I suppose you could be right about that. Am I being condescending in my desire to find real meaning in what might just be a rant? (Bad Gale)
Anyway, Good morning/afternoon to you, USinUK. Ike seems to have taken Houstan more gently that it might have. I am sure it is not a comfort if your home was washed away. Still, it might have been worse. I guess there are not many choices for where to put acres of oil refineries. Near a port, near supply, lots of space. Oh, this little issue of hurricanes.
By kat
September 15, 2008 9:59 AM | Link to this
I urge Altanta Journal to fire Cynthia Tucker before they are served a law suit for slander and false accusations of the facts. She is a disgrace to journalism and certainly does not “get it”. Women are sick of being told we can’t do it, that a family and success can not be done. That our minds go to mush when children become part (and I do mean part not all) of our lives. We have a voice in Sarah Palin. And when it comes to her having to take over as president if that should happen will someone tell me do you really want Joe Biden as president. After all he said Hillary Clinton would have been a better choice. He even told a man in a wheel chair over the weekend at a campaign to stand up. So I guess he “gets it”! Obama has had 19 months to get his message across and it wasn’t until Sarah Palin came on the scene that we finally saw just how dirty of a politican he is and sees that a woman’s place is barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen. God help this nation if he is elected and us. And yes Congress and the Senate have had the Democrats in control for over three years and look at the mess we are in. People are so blinded by the light (Obama hysteria) that you can’t see the writing on the wall. Quite frankly most of you wouldn’t know the truth if it were to stand up and smack you in the face. I am a women and I will be heard this time! Democrats you are the ones who don’t “get it”!
By The Other Jack
September 15, 2008 10:14 AM | Link to this
USinUK
So everything the world has been saying about the Republicans being in bed with the oil companies is bull. You should start writing ;letters to all the liberal web sites who still want to blame the prices on the Republicans.
You are right in that our problems stem from the fact that we need to depend of organizations like OPEC. Have you heard of ANWAR? This is the entire point. The government can definitely do something about it, and they are going to need to do something or it is going to break the back of the world free market.
We either start producing our own oil or we are at the whim of some very bad people. I know that you are going to start quoting liberals that say that drilling is just not going to fix the problem. Somebody better come up with a fix, quick. And I am certainly not the only one saying this.
I don’t accept that it is “the way it is and it is the way that it has to be”. You may want to give Congress a break, but I think they have gotten too much of a break. Fix the problem or pack up their little democratic suitcases and get their fat butts home.
What do I want them to do? I want them to do their GD job, that’s what I want. Don’t ask me how to fix it. I didn’t run for office on a platform of fixing the damn problem. And now you are saying that the problem can’t be fixed. So is your party just the biggest bunch of bald faced liars in the history of the world? Is there anything they won’t say to get elected? But worst yet, is there anything that they say that liberals won’t buy, hook, line and sinker?
By USinUK
September 15, 2008 10:30 AM | Link to this
Gale -
Ike seems to have taken Houstan more gently that it might have.
going by the pics, it looks like they still got wallopped … I’ve only read a little about it, but it sounds like they didn’t evacuate people until 8 hours before landfall??? is that true or did I misread??
all I want to know - what did Galveston do to p-off god???
I guess there are not many choices for where to put acres of oil refineries. Near a port, near supply, lots of space. Oh, this little issue of hurricanes.
yep - ships need access to offload crude - not a whole lot of ports going on in Wyoming or the Dakotas …
By USinUK
September 15, 2008 10:42 AM | Link to this
TOJ -
So everything the world has been saying about the Republicans being in bed with the oil companies is bull. You should start writing ;letters to all the liberal web sites who still want to blame the prices on the Republicans.
Apples and oranges, my friend. The GOP is in bed with oil companies - laws of supply and demand don’t really have an impact on that. The GOP wants less regulation and the Dems want to remove their government welfare.
Have you heard of ANWAR? This is the entire point. The government can definitely do something about it, and they are going to need to do something or it is going to break the back of the world free market.
oh god. here we go again. TEN YEARS. if we voted to allow off-shore and ANWAR drilling today, it would be 10 years before we started seeing peak production. (unless you live on Planet Chuck, then we’ll start seeing production by the weekend). we need to find alternatives that we can use TODAY - including encouraging more companies to implement more telecommuting strategies.
And now you are saying that the problem can’t be fixed.
no - I’m laughing that you, a republican, is demanding that the government fix it. I thought we lived in a free market? I thought the market fixed everything? That’s what we’ve ALWAYS heard from the right - hell, Ayn Rand built a literary career on it.
By USinUK
September 15, 2008 10:51 AM | Link to this
kat -
And when it comes to her having to take over as president if that should happen will someone tell me do you really want Joe Biden as president.
yes. I’d take Joe Biden over Sarah Palin all. day. long.
Women are sick of being told we can’t do it, that a family and success can not be done
um. who exactly has said that? if anything, the left is constantly being accused of telling women they can “have it all”, not that they can’t.
And yes Congress and the Senate have had the Democrats in control for over three years and look at the mess we are in
yay!! another example of someone who can’t count. Dems got the majority in the election of 2006 (that would be NOVEMBER 2006). That didn’t take effect until JANUARY 2007.
do you need some help counting that??? I’ll give you a hint - it’s less than 2 years.
as for the pickle that we’re in, you can thank your GOP bretheren who have relaxed banking and investment regulations and oversight during their 6+ years of having the WH, House and Senate in their control (12 years total for the House and Senate).
By HeeHaw
September 15, 2008 11:17 AM | Link to this
as for the pickle that we’re in, you can thank your GOP bretheren who have relaxed banking and investment regulations and oversight during their 6+ years of having the WH, House and Senate in their control (12 years total for the House and Senate).
the Enrons, WorldComs and now this mess go back to Newt’s Contract with America, lessening governmental involvement with regulations of industries needing at least oversight.
It is man’s God given right to steal the savings of working people after all. When it is your affluent from your hog farm running into the streams, get that government off my back. Of course when it is your neighbor’s hog affluent running into your yard, it is time for government regulations.
If Obama wins, you can be sure HE will be blamed for Iraq, Afghanistan and any other Bush-instigated world-wide activity. He’s probably responsible already for the Russians and Georgia.
By The Other Jack
September 15, 2008 11:25 AM | Link to this
USinUk
Let me ask you a simple question:
Do the democrats in Congress have any responsibility at all for the current oil prices, the extreme acceleration of inflation, high unemployment and social unrest that we are now experiencing? Do you hold them responsible for ANY of this, or is it the fault of the Republicans who have been setting at home now for two years?
TEN YEARS. if we voted to allow off-shore and ANWAR drilling today
Not according to the Governor of Alaska. I understand that because she is a Republican, that she can never know anything about anything and we should believe extremely biased pundits who (for some reason) keep insisting that we continue to make countries that hate us richer and richer, but even if that were so, are we done before ten years? Will the control of a capitalistic country by a socialistic government result in the complete breakdown of civilization THAT quickly?
a republican, is demanding that the government fix it
Try to stay with me here and you might actually be the only liberal that understands the thinking of a Republican.
if a gang of thugs is walking down the street with machine guns, I, as a full fledged Republican is going to call for the help of my government. That is what the government is for: to protect the citizenry of the country. We are being raped by the fact that we have become dependent on other very bad people to supply the energy to power our country. But instead of our government protecting us, it is insistent that it continues to support policies that is obviously breaking the back of the American middle class. For George Soros and his ilk, there is nothing that could be better. But for the rest of us, it sucks.
However, because of the fact that a very small number of bad parents do not teach their children to beware of sexual predators, I as a full fledged Republican do not believe that fact gives the government the right to take control of the sexual education of every single pre-schooler in the country.
Does that make any sense at all to you?
By Copyleft
September 15, 2008 11:35 AM | Link to this
Do Democrats have a double standard about Sarah Palin’s family choices?
No, but the ignorant evangelicals obviously do.
By Gandalf, the Grey
September 15, 2008 11:43 AM | Link to this
until gas prices stablize above $3.70 we won’t see any great strides toward alternate fuel. Why? Because people will buy gas just like they used too at or below this price. Ever look out you window on 285,75 or 85? Look for me and my carpool buddy alone in the car pool lane. 99.9 percent of us don’t car pool.
By The Other Jack
September 15, 2008 12:08 PM | Link to this
Copyleft
No, but the ignorant evangelicals obviously do.
Ah, more of those gifted debate skills coming to the surface. I particularly liked the way you explained your position and listed reason for your stance. You are indeed one of the great debaters on this blog.
By USinUK
September 15, 2008 12:08 PM | Link to this
TOJ -
Do the democrats in Congress have any responsibility at all for the current oil prices, the extreme acceleration of inflation, high unemployment and social unrest that we are now experiencing? Do you hold them responsible for ANY of this, or is it the fault of the Republicans who have been setting at home now for two years?
this horse is sooooooooo dead, but if you want to continue flogging it, fine. I’ll play along …
NO.
The Dems in Congress have no control over laws of supply and demand. They cannot control when insurgents attack oil pipelines in Nigeria. they cannot control the path of hurricanes. They cannot control the surging population of new drivers in India and China. What they CAN do is try to limit the amount of government welfare that petrol companies receive (hey, they’re YOUR taxes, after all) … but it’s YOUR party that fought that.
Will the control of a capitalistic country by a socialistic government result in the complete breakdown of civilization THAT quickly?
um. you do realize that’s what you’re espousing - that government “step in and fix things”. In a capitalistic society, government doesn’t do that. So which is it? what do YOU want?
if a gang of thugs is walking down the street with machine guns, I, as a full fledged Republican is going to call for the help of my government.
hate to disappoint you, but your paying $4/gal for gas is not the same as being attacked by a gang of thugs. yeah, it probably FEELS like BP should at least take you out to dinner, first, before you fill up your tank - but that doesn’t make it a matter of life and death.
And, sorry, but Sarah Palin, for all her “vast experience” as gov. of AK knows more than the industry analysts who have said it will take 10 years?? and, while I’ve heard her chant the mantra of “drill-drill-drill”, I’ve never heard her say that the experts are wrong and that it will take less than the 10 years estimated. if you can point me to a quote where she says that, I’d be interested to read it.
However, because of the fact that a very small number of bad parents do not teach their children to beware of sexual predators, I as a full fledged Republican do not believe that fact gives the government the right to take control of the sexual education of every single pre-schooler in the country.
which is why the bill you are so obliquely citing gave parents the right to opt their child out of that lesson.
By The Other Jack
September 15, 2008 12:15 PM | Link to this
Gas prices increased by over a dollar a gallon in a time span of 36 hours, the greatest single increase in the history of petroleum commerce.
But, of course it is all about supply and demand. It’s no one’s fault and Republicans have no right to complain because we don’t want the government to teach our pre-schoolers about sex.
The situation is simple.
Bend over America, the Democrats are in charge.
By Gandalf, the Grey
September 15, 2008 12:19 PM | Link to this
Copyleft! Glad to see you stealing from your employer once again! Methinks you may be the ignorant one. Sorry you have to suffer through 4 more years of a Republican Presidency.
Go Sara!
Go John!
PALIN/McCAIN ‘08!
YEAH!
NOBAMA was a flash in the pan, he has burnt out, his mean onery true self is now showing through, and it’s clearer every day. I think it’s funny how silly he looks when he isn’t reading from a teleprompter. :-)
YEAH 57 STATES!
By HeeHaw
September 15, 2008 12:20 PM | Link to this
hate to disappoint you, but your paying $4/gal for gas is not the same as being attacked by a gang of thugs.
it is that great god The Market.
don’t like the price of gas, don’t buy it. Take your business elsewhere. isn’t that what that great god, The Market, is all about? Find alternatives, get a better mpg vehicle.
I LOVE to see Republicans whining about the price of gas.
By USinUK
September 15, 2008 12:28 PM | Link to this
TOJ -
Gas prices increased by over a dollar a gallon in a time span of 36 hours, the greatest single increase in the history of petroleum commerce.
yes. that’s what happens when you have a hurricane that causes the shut down of refineries 2 days after OPEC says that they’re cutting production.
demand (down) = price (up)
tell me … do the laws of gravity p- you off, too? would you like the Dems to do something about that, as well?
Republicans have no right to complain because we don’t want the government to teach our pre-schoolers about sex
no, you don’t want the government to teach ANYONE’S pre-schoolers about “good touching and bad touching” - it’s not just YOUR children, it’s EVERYONE’S.
By USinUK
September 15, 2008 12:30 PM | Link to this
CURSES!!!
that should have read:
SUPPLY (down) = prices (up)
(been dealing with Merrill, AIG and Lehman stuff all day … getting loopy … need chocolate)
By Mara
September 15, 2008 12:31 PM | Link to this
kat - We have a voice in Sarah Palin… I am a women and I will be heard this time! Democrats you are the ones who don’t “get it”!
anybody see the photographs from the “Alaska Women Against Palin” rally in Archorage over the weekend? There’s You Tube video if you want to check it out. Here’s part of Mudflat’s eye-witness account
from Mudflats blog - keywords for article “Alaska women against palin”
Basically, in Anchorage, if you can get 25 people to show up at an event, it’s a success. So, I thought to myself, if we can actually get 100 people there that aren’t sent by Eddie Burke (right-wing talk show host, lables pro-choice supporters as “socialist baby-killing maggots”), we’ll be doing good. A real statement will have been made. I confess, I still had a mental image of 15 demonstrators surrounded by hundreds of menacing “socialist baby-killing maggot” haters.
It’s a good thing I wasn’t tailgating when I saw the crowd in front of the library or I would have ended up in somebody’s trunk. When I got there, about 20 minutes early, the line of sign wavers stretched the full length of the library grounds, along the edge of the road, 6 or 7 people deep! I could hardly find a place to park. I nabbed one of the last spots in the library lot, and as I got out of the car and started walking, people seemed to join in from every direction, carrying signs.
Never, have I seen anything like it in my 17 and a half years living in Anchorage.
The organizers had someone walk the rally with a counter, and they clicked off well over 1400 people (not including the 90 counter-demonstrators). This was the biggest political rally ever, in the history of the state. I was absolutely stunned. The second most amazing thing is how many people honked and gave the thumbs up as they drove by. And even those that didn’t honk looked wide-eyed and awe-struck at the huge crowd that was growing by the minute. This just doesn’t happen here.
By USinUK
September 15, 2008 12:33 PM | Link to this
heehaw -
I LOVE to see Republicans whining about the price of gas.
not nearly as much as I love seeing Republicans saying that the government needs to step in and DO SOMETHING DAMMIT!!!
By The Other Jack
September 15, 2008 12:34 PM | Link to this
USinUk
this horse is sooooooooo dead, but if you want to continue flogging it, fine. I’ll play along …
NO.
The kool aid. Is it bitter when you drink it? For the amount of indoctrination, the stuff must have the viscosity of maple syrup.
My only question is the same question that you have blown off for two months: Then why in the hell, did they claim to be able to lower the price of gas if they were put in charge on Congress. Has the world economy changed that much in two years. They could do it BEFIORE they were put in charge, but now that they are there, they can do nothing? THen l;et’s bring their lying butts home and find someone who CAN do something about it.
Don’t give me that sh*t about a plan is not a promise. Just because you are turning into a stumbling zoombie, don’t expect every one else to do the same.
A DOLLAR a gallon in 36 hours. Are you so indoctrinated that you don’t understand the implications of that kind of price increase?
um. you do realize that’s what you’re espousing - that government “step in and fix things”. In a capitalistic society, government doesn’t do that. So which is it? what do YOU want?
A capitalistic government cannot step in and fix things? What a complete bunch of socialistic crap. You are getting so indoctrinated that it is impossible to carry on an intelligent conversation with you. You seem to have the answer: blame everything on the Republicans even though they are no longer in power. Damn convenient. Democrats are powerless but the Republicans were in complete control of everything when they were in power. The logistical arguments are so far beyond what you appear capable of accepting that it is just not worth the time.
This is why Democrats should never be in power. No one ever holds them responsible for the promises they make. You are a perfect example of a liberal. Where do you think the term Yellow Dog Democrat came from?
By The BLOG Truth
September 15, 2008 12:38 PM | Link to this
Do Democrats have a double standard about Sarah Palin’s family choices?
The question at the top should be: “DOES THE OTHER JACK aka TRUTH HAVE AN OPINION ON WHAT EVERYONE ELSE’S FAMILY (and all other) CHOICES SHOULD BE?”
Then The Other Jack aka Truth could spend all day every day this week telling us why HIS notion of what a woman should and should not do with her own body is uniquely his business and not hers, and why everyone else’s notion of family choices is an evil plot to subvert all that’s good and decent in America, perpetrated by godless liberals and woman who actually hate themselves. If we are lucky, he’ll relate the distorted half truths of his divorce to us again, and then regale us with tales of romancing a foreign woman who, by virtue of her exquisite physical characteristics and European mannerisms, outclasses all ridiculously inadequate American females, especially those who dare to assert ownership of their own bodies or opinions.
Oh wait.. nevermind. Just stay tuned.
By HeeHaw
September 15, 2008 12:49 PM | Link to this
USinUK - there is that, there is that… LMAO
By Gandalf, the Grey
September 15, 2008 12:52 PM | Link to this
Expat: In your post to TOJ you sound a little confused. You refer to SARA PALINS vast experience in a sarcastic manner, yet fail to point out that neither Barry Obama or his associate Joe Biden have 0 leadership experience. NONE, NOTA, ZIP. Well that law review gig, but other than that. No Nota, zip. But let’s not forget leadership skills arent a prerequisite for the position. Just that you can speak and look good. Lying is a plus if you’re running as a part of the Donkey party.
Go Sara
GO JOHN!
McCAIN/PALIN ‘08!
YEAH!
By USinUK
September 15, 2008 12:58 PM | Link to this
TOJ -
The kool aid. Is it bitter when you drink it?
you would know.
Then why in the hell, did they claim to be able to lower the price of gas if they were put in charge on Congress. Has the world economy changed that much in two years
again, they never promised they would. their plan was to reduce the amount of government corporate welfare … the GOP blocked it.
so, how are those record oil revenues working out for you, TOJ? aren’t you happy that your tax money is going to supplement it???
as far as the world economy goes, car ownership rose by nearly 11% during 2007, motorcycle ownership rose 9% (source: China Car Times). India has about a million cars added to their roads each year (source: NYT). so, yes, the market has changed - it is a helluva lot bigger than it was when they took office in Jan 2007.
A DOLLAR a gallon in 36 hours. Are you so indoctrinated that you don’t understand the implications of that kind of price increase?
gee, Truth. no. I don’t get it. I only do economics and financial analysis for a living. pwease expwain it to me.
A capitalistic government cannot step in and fix things? What a complete bunch of socialistic crap.
Okay. fine. here’s some remedial economics for you:
Capitalism - An economic system based on a free market, open competition, profit motive and private ownership of the means of production. Capitalism encourages private investment and business, compared to a government-controlled economy. Investors in these private companies (i.e. shareholders) also own the firms and are known as capitalists.
Socialism - Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy. The stage in Marxist-Leninist theory intermediate between capitalism and communism, in which collective ownership of the economy under the dictatorship of the proletariat has not yet been successfully achieved.
please, please, PLEASE … if you’re going to be a republican, please learn the difference between the two. I mean, really.
Damn convenient. Democrats are powerless but the Republicans were in complete control of everything when they were in power. The logistical arguments are so far beyond what you appear capable of accepting that it is just not worth the time
good god - you really don’t get it, do you. or you don’t read the news much. what you’re seeing today (Lehman going bankrupt, ML being bought by BofA, AIG going under) - all this is the result of the credit bubble - which was a direct result of the derivatives market and the total LACK of government oversight into the banking industry.
you want to blame the Dems for something that has been brewing since 2002??? sorry, bub … it’s just not so.
By Mara
September 15, 2008 1:09 PM | Link to this
Then why in the hell, did they claim to be able to lower the price of gas if they were put in charge on Congress.
perhaps they were so naive that they didn’t forsee the congressional Republican’s unwillingness to put their own fortunes and future employment opportunities at risk for the well-being of the greater population. Just saying…It’s a possibility, yes? After all, it’s not like the Democrats haven’t submitted any legislation for consideration, but they only have a 1 person majority over the Republicans.
————————————————————————————————-didn’t we have this same conversation a few weeks ago? About campaign rhetoric and whether they were actually what the candidate would do or what they would try to do? I get a feeling of deja vous…
By USinUK
September 15, 2008 1:10 PM | Link to this
GtG -
You refer to SARA PALINS vast experience in a sarcastic manner, yet fail to point out that neither Barry Obama or his associate Joe Biden have 0 leadership experience
first of all, you’re right, they have never been mayor of a town that’s half the size of my university.
nor have they been governor of a state with a population that’s smaller than that of Rhode Island.
what they have done is work at the national level of issues of national security, taking care of our veterans, the national justice system …
but, yeah, you’re right, they haven’t appointed their high school buddy who credits her “love of cows” as her primary qualification to run the Alaska state department of agriculture, so what the heck do they know …
By HeeHaw
September 15, 2008 1:13 PM | Link to this
hog-farm EFFLUENT(not ‘affluent’ but I suppose you COULD call it ‘affluent effluent’)
By 2D
September 15, 2008 1:16 PM | Link to this
Good to see that the BLOG hasn’t changed much…
A couple of random points…
2a. I’m not certain there is a “double-standard” in regards to Sarah Palin concerning her family choices, but what I don’t see is anything I would deem out of character. She rejects abortion in all cases and when faced with the difficult choices of a Downs Syndrome baby and a teen pregnancy, the choice in both instances was to keep the baby.
2b. As for her being a “career-woman” with so many kids, I find it laughable that so many liberals, particularly women (not solely referring to people on this BLOG) would make comments along the lines of (paraphrasing) “She has so much on her plate she shouldn’t even consider such a job.” Heck even Obama got on board with the (again parpahrasing) “Not sure how she handles five, Michelle and I can’t seem to handle two.” If she were in any other industry, she would be lauded as a role-model, the woman who can reach the heights of her chosen profession and be a good mother to her children. And please, anyone who says she’s a bad mom because her 17 year old got pregnant needs to wise up and realize that happens to families all over the nation in every socio-economic situation.
By 2D
September 15, 2008 1:25 PM | Link to this
USInUK…
Great definitions of Capitalism and Socialism… However, that is not the way the terms are currently used in our political debate.
Based on your definitions, no country, not even our European “friends” live in a Socialist society, however, I believe many, including myself, on this side of the pond would believe it to be so.
I liken it to the firm definition of a recession. While the US economy hasn’t hit that point, I don’t think anyone would argue the US hit a recession.
By Gandalf, the Grey
September 15, 2008 1:31 PM | Link to this
EXPAT, you seem a little tense today! What has Obama ever been in charge of, other than the law review ( a poularity contest)? Nada! Has he ever crossed the aisle to achieve anything of import? NO! So that mayor actual ran something, and appointed people and has experience doing that? Unlike Obama, who has done NOTHING! Maybe they don’t need leaders in Britian as they have the Queen (and God did appoint her family), but here in the good ole USA we need leaders who make decisions, don’t accept favors from the enemy, don’t break break with felons, KNOW HOW MANY STATES we have (50 in you didn’t know) and thank God every night before they go to sleep.
GO SARA!
Go JOHN!
McCAIN/PALIN ‘08!
YEAH!
PS We now get the best Pale Ale in the World here in Atlanta, from FULL SAIL out in Oregon, so my contribution to Great Britian’s Beer industry will be slowing down. BASS in good, but Full Sail is a superb beer.
By Mara
September 15, 2008 1:34 PM | Link to this
USinUK - but, yeah, you’re right, they haven’t appointed their high school buddy who credits her “love of cows” as her primary qualification to run the Alaska state department of agriculture, so what the heck do they know
shades of “heckuva job Brownie” there, eh?
Been reading a lot of Andrew Sullivan lately. Did you all hear about the polar bear thing? St. Sarah sued the federal government to keep the bears off the endangered species list, insisting that state scientists said they had found no reason to believe Polar bears were showing any ill-effects from environmental degradation. Turns out, e-mail records tell a different story. That the scientists had in fact agreed that the bears were in danger and should be listed.
By Jack
September 15, 2008 1:41 PM | Link to this
USinUK. You are such the expert. What has the congress done since the dem’s have been in control other than naming a bunch of post offices and many worthless resolutions? What have they done????? How can you make light of Palin who does have executive experience. Maybe the town isn’t as big as your fantastic university but it is a town that had to be run. Obama voted “present” instead of yes or no over 100 times because he didn’t know how to go. Now that’s leadership. Biden is a career politicain (36yrs) and you think he will change anything? yeah,right.
By HeeHaw
September 15, 2008 1:47 PM | Link to this
Com’on, man, you can’t hunt-and-kill endangered species.
By HeeHaw
September 15, 2008 1:53 PM | Link to this
and except for a brief stint as a relative’s employee, years ago, McCain has ALWAYS been a government employee.
By 2D
September 15, 2008 1:55 PM | Link to this
USInUK….
A few responses…
Please do not try to equate Obama’s Senate experience with the likes of either Joe Biden or John McCain. Perhaps you didn’t intend to do that, but the “experience” Obama has accumulated pales in comparison to that of the other two Senators on the ticket. Toss in the fact, that he has spent nearly half of his Senate term running for Presdient and I think it’s fair to say that he has not done much of anything dealing with national security or any other pertinent matters.
Obama has NO executive experience at anything. Little to no legislative experience on the national level. Little legislative record on the state level. He may be the most dynamic candiate in my lifetime to run for president, but he is also, without a doubt, the least qualified.
Being a Senator for 20 or 30 years does not prepare a person to lead. Being in a position of leadership prepares someone to lead. That is why many times we elect former Governors to the White House. We want to see some track record of making decisions. That decision making process provides a track record on which to base a decision.
I believe the state of Alaska may not have the same population numbers as many states, but it does have a diverse and unique set of issues. In fact, I would go out on a limb and say it has a more unique set of responsibilities than say the states of Georgia or Arkansas.
By Back Atcha
September 15, 2008 2:08 PM | Link to this
How is Palin, who barely ever left Alaska, qualified to deal with issues in the other 49 states, issues on the national level, the workings of Washington DC, and a job for which she, herself, claimed she didn’t know the duties even two months ago? How is Palin qualified to preside over the Senate when her only legislative experience is on City Council? Even if one were to concede that Palin could handle presiding over 100 Senators, most of whom she’s never met, though she would require a cheat sheet to begin memorizing their names, (and even more cheat sheets to know what each has done, and the alliances therein), the fact is that, given the precarious state of would-be President McCain’s health and fitness to govern, she SHOULD BE qualified to be President in case of an emergency, and SHOULD BE vetted and held to even MORE scrutiny than any vice presidential candidate in recent memory. At least I would certainly hope so as an American who desperately WANTS to have faith in my federal government — they are taking my tax money after all — something that has eluded me for the better part of a decade now.
Frankly, defending this woman’s credentials by attempting to compare them to those of someone who has at least been TRYING to prepare himself for the job he seeks for the last two (or more) years is LAME! She only just began considering the world outside of Alaska, and the argument that we should just trust someone we JUST MET who knows nothing our our issues is sadly lacking in red meat.
By HeeHaw
September 15, 2008 2:26 PM | Link to this
But she can SEE Russia, makes her more qualified to be Commander-in-Chief than being Commander of the Alaskan National Guard, to whom which she never issued a direct order.
By 2D
September 15, 2008 2:28 PM | Link to this
Red meat??? Why must we deal with such ridiculous catch phrases.
No politician, unless they were in the Senate, would immediately know every Senator and all of their positions. That is a bogus argument. I guess according to your argument, only another Senator should ever be Veep. As for stepping into an organization as a leader? People do it all of the time. Sarah Palin stepped into a Governor’s position where she didn’t know any of the legislatures and has done such a good job her approval rating is 80%.
So what if Obama has been “trying to prepare” for the job he seaks. He’s not ready. Quite frankly neither is Sarah Palin. The only two people on the tickets who are even remotely ready are Senator’s McCain and Biden. As I’ve said in other posts, I don’t believe any of these folks were the most “qualified” candidates. I would say that Governor Richardson and Governor Romney were far and away the most qualified candidates on either side of the aisle.
Another question… Where was the concern for a Veep being ready to step into the Oval Office when we saw the likes of Geraldine Ferraro and John Edwards in that position? And please, don’t give me anything about John McCain being 72 years old. He’s fit as a fiddle and has thrived after more bodily beating than all of us have taken in our lives, COMBINED! BTW… Did you see his mother at the convention? She looked like she could take out Bin Laden, Kim Jong Il, Ahmadenijad and Putin by herself, and she’s 96!
By Gale
September 15, 2008 2:43 PM | Link to this
I would be more comfortable with Palin and Obama if either of them had been reelected to the office they currently hold. Accountability is the issue. All I see from Obama is job-hopping. He spent his time in office campaigning for a higher office. Thank goodness god is not an elected office or he would vote present from the Oval office. As for Palin, if she gets the reaction in Alaska from men that we have seen, no wonder her approval rating is high. And that is not to mention the earmarks she has had flowing into the state. Sure they love her. But what would a second term look like for either of these people?
By Back Atcha
September 15, 2008 2:49 PM | Link to this
2D, yeah we GET that support this year’s GOP ticket. *Yadda yadda democrats suck, yadda yadda… * We get that you have reservations about the Democratic ticket’s readiness to lead. We get that you think it’s fun to snicker at past candidates. We get that you respect your elders. However, what you and your fellow Palin enthusiasts have NOT portrayed is why we should have faith that this person would be anything more than completely inept if she were suddenly thrust into the position of PotUS (perhaps as suddenly as she found herself being promoted from Governor to potential Veep), GIVEN WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT HER.
I’m sorry, but if Obama is too new, too young, too risky because of his friends and associates and what might jump out of closets to bite us, then your support of Palin does NOTHING to ease those same concerns on the other ticket. If you don’t like Michelle O because she wasn’t as “proud of America” as you thought she should have been, then how do you feel about MR. Palin’s membership in the AIP? The fact that you apply a different set of standards to GOP candidates does not foster faith or confidence. You might as well say,
“Palin: Because McCain said so!” Sorry, but I’m an adult and I don’t think that’s enough.
By 2D
September 15, 2008 2:54 PM | Link to this
Gale… Great point on re-election!
However, I do believe that Obama would win re-election to his seat without any difficulty.
that being said, I believe that re-election to a Governor’s position means more than re-election to a legislative position. Many legislators do not even need to run for re-election (see virtually any of the seats in Georgia!). Running for re-election for Governor, or mayor however, is a results driven affair (see Shhirley Franklin who made tough choices and was still re-elected). If things go klapooee on your watch, you get blamed. If you’re re-elected, then you’ve probably done a pretty good job.
By USinUK
September 15, 2008 3:00 PM | Link to this
2D -
We may not see peak production from drilling in ANWR or the OCS for ten years, but is that a reason to not being the process
3 points: 1 - ever heard the expression “delaying the inevitable”?? sure, we can drill now, but it is a limited resource - I’d rather spend our limited funds on better fuel sources that will do less damage to our environment and that we can possibly control (if not the entire market, at least our needs), 2 - because drilling in ANWAR will NOT lower prices, regardless of all the hype, and 3 - we wouldn’t get the oil, anyway - we currently sell most of the oil that is drilled in the US, so the only beneficiaries of the ANWAR oil will be EXXON, BP, etc …
Based on your definitions, no country, not even our European “friends” live in a Socialist society, however, I believe many, including myself, on this side of the pond would believe it to be so.
okay, I’ll bite. YOU define them, then …
Being a Senator for 20 or 30 years does not prepare a person to lead. Being in a position of leadership prepares someone to lead. That is why many times we elect former Governors to the White House. We want to see some track record of making decisions. That decision making process provides a track record on which to base a decision.
so says you. me, I’d rather have someone in office who understands how the legislative body works, who knows how to work with Congress so that they’re not at loggerheads all the time and can actually get things done, who has an appreciation for how the larger issues affect not just the US, but the global marketplace.
and, sorry, but the mayor of a podunk town and a state with the lowest population just doesn’t qualify.
YMMV.
I believe the state of Alaska may not have the same population numbers as many states, but it does have a diverse and unique set of issues. In fact, I would go out on a limb and say it has a more unique set of responsibilities than say the states of Georgia or Arkansas.
and you could say the same in reverse … I’m fairly confident that AK doesn’t have the same drug trafficking problems that GA has, or the same illegal immigration problem, or the same agricultural pollution problem, or the same drought/water control problems … just because AK has “different” problems doesn’t mean that she has a bigger global view
(I can see France from the coast about 30 miles from my house - doesn’t mean that I’m an expert on Sarkozy’s government)
By Gandalf, the Grey
September 15, 2008 3:03 PM | Link to this
BACKTHETRUCKUP
The other 56 states? Is that what you meant? 33 might be new Senators, you forget they change ever 2 years (1/3 of them do). What’s to look over? They don’t do much, the less they do the better.
By Liar-loan McCain
September 15, 2008 3:12 PM | Link to this
Answer: Sarah Palin, her unmarried, underaged daughter Bristol, and John McCain.
Question: Name two hockey moms and a puck.
Sarah Palin thinks that if she can see a country, then she can pack her foreign policy resume with it. Well, I see England. I see France. I see her unmarried, underaged, undersexeducated daughter’s under pants.
bwa haw. (hee haw)
By Gale
September 15, 2008 3:13 PM | Link to this
2D, yes you are probably right regarding reelection to Congress. It is sad that we hold them to a different results standard. I wonder how we get through to members of congress that their “job” is not ‘getting reelected’. Term limits might help. But I am not convinced they would do anything but spend the term finding themselves post-congress cushy jobs to pay for favors while in office. Pretty much like they do now. Voting out poor performers just gives us a new set of inexperienced legislators each term. One problem is how do we hold legislators accountable. I think it is a deep seated issue of greed. We don’t have a tradition of public service. Someone uptopic mentioned the ‘honor’ of holding the office. It shouldn’t be that. It should be a commitment to do the public’s business. (Ah, there’s that idealism showing again.)
By 2D
September 15, 2008 3:26 PM | Link to this
Back Atcha…
First, I would like to apologize if you believe I was “snickering” at past candidates. That is not at all the intention. Referring to past candidates, and their prior positions, is merely a way to show that people with similar prior positions to Sarah Palin have served at the highest office.
Second, I’m trying to make a point that she is not running for POTUS. I would NEVER have voted for her in a primary as a nominee for President. However, she is running for Veep. Different jobs entirely. Is there the possibility that she could become POTUS. Yep, sure is. However, the chances of that are small, and the same argument was not made when other, similarly qualified individuals were running for Veep. Nancy Pelosi is two steps from the Presidency, but does the House Leadership worry about that when they made her Speaker?
Third, as for what we know about her… At least she has a record upon which we can do some research. We will know everything we could ever want about her administrations. It may be hurried, but we can get a feel for the way she would govern, if/when, that would happen. No chance to vote “present” as a mayor or Governor. And in the end, that’s what the people are looking for. Some indiciation of what they would do given certain challenges and situations. Something that might who they are.
Fourth, I’ve not made any comments about any spouses. Quite frankly, I don’t think the spouses should be involved, unless they make themselves, involved. Unfortunately for Obama, his wife has. When she goes out on the campaign trail she leaves herself up for criticism.
Lastly, I never made any comments that even remotely are “Democrats suck”. There are many Democrats that I could, and would support depending on the matchup (i.e. Governor Richardson, Senator Bayh to name a couple). I have kept my conversation to a couple of specific issues, which have been laid out without malice. So please, do not attempt to paint me as just a shill for the GOP when I am anything but.
Yes, I am voting for McCain/Palin. No, I cannot see any way right now that I would vote for Senator Obama. But my decision is based on the current candidates, not party loyalty. None of the folks I liked in either of the primaries are still around, so I’m stuck (as are all of you) with what’s left.
By 2D
September 15, 2008 3:46 PM | Link to this
USInUK…
On drilling… Sure it may be delaying the inevitable, depending on what you call “the inevitable.” As for lowering prices at the pump, I don’t believe that is the entire point. However, I don’t understand how prices wouldn’t decrease. With increased production of oil, US demand for foreign oil would decrease and would therefore lower prices. Even if it didn’t lower the prices one iota, wouldn’t it be better to be less dependent on foregin oil, to keep a portion of the $700 billion here in the US rather than in other countries’ hands. Also, expanded drilling can be used as a bridge to get the US economy to some other energy source.
Fair points about experience in leadership positions versus time spent in Congress. You prefer to have someone who knows the machinations of the legislature, and I prefer to have someone who has proven leadership skills. If they’ve also spent time in the legislature, all the better. For example, take Senator Voinovich from Ohio. He was previously a two term Governor, in addition to his time in the Senate. While I do not know all of his particular positions, I believe that blend of experience is idea for moving to the Oval Office.
Not really trying to define anything, it was just my first post in a while and I was totally stream of conscious. Shouldn’t have written it.
Mayor of a “po-dunk” town. Very nice. I’m sure talk like that will help Obama get votes from all of the other “po-dunk” town residents. Kinda like “clinging to guns and religion.” Palin’s response is better than anything I could’ve come up with… “it’s kinda like being a community organizer, only with responsibilities.”
By Gale
September 15, 2008 3:52 PM | Link to this
2D, stuck with it? No, I don’t have to choose one of the above. I will be stuck with whoever gets the most electoral votes. But I plan to write in my vote because neither ticket does more than make me very worried about the next four years.
By USinUK
September 15, 2008 3:58 PM | Link to this
Jack -
USinUK. You are such the expert.
No, I just read the news and take the time to look things up before I respond. you might want to give it a try sometime.
What has the congress done since the dem’s have been in control other than naming a bunch of post offices and many worthless resolutions? What have they done
you mean like passing the first raise in minimum wage in 10 years?
you mean like overriding a bush veto to fund water projects around the country?
you mean like overriding a bush veto to ensure that the elderly receive medical care?
you mean like overriding a bush veto on the ag bill?
seriously. try reading the news sometime - you might learn something beyond the simple-minded rhetoric you seem to pick up listening to talk radio.
By Gale
September 15, 2008 4:00 PM | Link to this
Isn’t it odd that people we are aware of who have the credentials; the experience, the smarts and the experience to be President, lack the desire to wh_re themselves to the public for a year and a half to get nomiated. How often have hiring managers looked for someone smart enough for the job and dumb enough to take the job?
By USinUK
September 15, 2008 4:02 PM | Link to this
2D -
Sure it may be delaying the inevitable, depending on what you call “the inevitable.”
well, oil is a limited resource. there is only so much of it. and, there comes a tipping point where, even if there is more to get out of the ground, it is to cost-ineffective to get it. that’s what I mean by the inevitable.
As for lowering prices at the pump, I don’t believe that is the entire point. However, I don’t understand how prices wouldn’t decrease.
telling me that I might be able to have more oil later (even though demand is increasing daily) will do nothing to actually increase supply NOW - and may not keep up with supply when the gushers finally do come in.
Mayor of a “po-dunk” town. Very nice. I’m sure talk like that will help Obama get votes from all of the other “po-dunk” town residents. Kinda like “clinging to guns and religion.” Palin’s response is better than anything I could’ve come up with… “it’s kinda like being a community organizer, only with responsibilities.”
aw. how sweet of you to be offended on their behalf. I grew up in GA - the folks I knew there who lived in podunk towns knew they lived in podunk towns and weren’t in denial about it.
I doubt anyone in Wasilla would argue that they are a metropolitain center.
By AGF
September 15, 2008 4:06 PM | Link to this
2D (cutting and pasting from your 3:46):
Even if it didn’t lower the prices one iota, wouldn’t it be better to be less dependent on foregin oil, to keep a portion of the $700 billion here in the US rather than in other countries’ hands. Also, expanded drilling can be used as a bridge to get the US economy to some other energy source.
AND
You prefer to have someone who knows the machinations of the legislature, and I prefer to have someone who has proven leadership skills. If they’ve also spent time in the legislature, all the better.
Great post. You said what I wanted to say, only better than I could have said it. Glad to have you back. Now if we can just get Monica back on board …..
By Gandalf, the Grey
September 15, 2008 4:28 PM | Link to this
Sorry to my loyal fans who like the new nicer wizard, I must digress. Liar-loan McCain STFU! You are an obvious (DUMBASS) for bringing a teenager into this conversation. Obviously the (W*******) that spawned you failed to teach you any manners, AND as she was such a slut you have no idea who your father is, or even what country he comes from. GO LICK THE BALLS OF YOUR DONKEY YOU (DUMBASS)!
By Gandalf, the Grey
September 15, 2008 4:37 PM | Link to this
SORRY BUT I REALLY DO FEEL BETTER…
By Bach Atcha
September 15, 2008 4:59 PM | Link to this
2D, I apologize. I was adding comments to “Palin supporters” to my comments to you, and did not mean to imply that you, specifically, had said all those things. You’ve made your preference clear, and you have reasons for your preference (although you don’t need reasons in an America where “like to have a beer with” is plenty good enough for millions.)
I was responding to the repeated arguments that Obama’s experience isn’t worth diddly whereas Palin’s experience as a Mayor and half-term governor make her more qualified for Veep than Obama is for Pres. I think this argument, though as common as muck in South Texas right now, is an example of the “double standard” we see today, perhaps on both sides of the fence. My rebuttal is that even if we were to stipulate that neither SP nor BO has the amount of experience we could truly be comfortable with, Obama has for years now been preparing for the job he seeks, which entails absorbing vast amounts of knowledge and a depth of understanding of many constantly-changing dynamics of systems and events that affect hundreds of millions, whereas she has just been offered the opportunity out of the blue, and has only just begun to consider the world outside of Alaska.
I’m also sorry to learn that education doesn’t count for s—t in modern America. How sad that the potential to be truly smart and educated is seen as somehow less appealing than being “real.” (Yep, got a gun, keepin’ it real y’all. Pop a cap in that 4-legged gangsta wolf. R-e-s-p-e-c-t.)
Further, Palin’s readiness to take over as PotUS in an emergency IS most certainly something I consider, regardless of how long McCain is “expected” to thrive in a healthy, coherent state. Readiness requires more than being a tough cookie, I’m afraid. But only if we have standards, pesky things. I think being smart and knowing stuff matters, but that’s just my opinion too.
By USinUK
September 16, 2008 8:12 AM | Link to this
2D (… or NOT 2D … sorry, I’ve been wanting to say that since yesterday) …
I prefer to have someone who has proven leadership skills.
a little something on Palin’s “proven leadership skills”:
Many lawmakers contend that Ms. Palin is overly reliant on a small inner circle that leaves her isolated. Democrats and Republicans alike describe her as often missing in action. Since taking office in 2007, Ms. Palin has spent 312 nights at her Wasilla home, some 600 miles to the north of the governor’s mansion in Juneau, records show.
During the last legislative session, some lawmakers became so frustrated with her absences that they took to wearing “Where’s Sarah?” pins.
Many politicians say they typically learn of her initiatives — and vetoes — from news releases.
Mayors across the state, from the larger cities to tiny municipalities along the southeastern fiords, are even more frustrated. Often, their letters go unanswered and their pleas ignored, records and interviews show.
Last summer, Mayor Mark Begich of Anchorage, a Democrat, pressed Ms. Palin to meet with him because the state had failed to deliver money needed to operate city traffic lights. At one point, records show, state officials told him to just turn off a dozen of them. Ms. Palin agreed to meet with Mr. Begich when he threatened to go public with his anger, according to city officials.
At an Alaska Municipal League gathering in Juneau in January, mayors across the political spectrum swapped stories of the governor’s remoteness. How many of you, someone asked, have tried to meet with her? Every hand went up, recalled Mayor Fred Shields of Haines Borough. And how many met with her? Just a few hands rose. Ms. Palin soon walked in, delivered a few remarks and left for an anti-abortion rally.
The administration’s e-mail correspondence reveals a siege-like atmosphere. Top aides keep score, demean enemies and gloat over successes. Even some who helped engineer her rise have felt her wrath.
http://www. nytimes. com/ 2008/09/ 14/us/politics/14palin.html?em=&pagewanted=print
criminey. first of all, just because someone holds a particular office doesn’t mean that they are, in fact, a leader.
secondly, haven’t we had enough of cronyism, closed inner circles and petty vendettas during the last 7+ years???
By USinUK
September 16, 2008 8:28 AM | Link to this
Truth / TOJ -
By The Other Jack September 10, 2008 5:10 PM
The polls show Obama falling like a stone … /snip/ … The conventions were a disaster for Obama. The Republicans got a much bigger bounce against the greatest orator since JFK … /snip/ … So now that Obama is losing in most polls and apparently they have no new message, why would you think they will spring back and re-take the lead?
just thought you’d like to know that they’re STILL in a statistical dead heat - with Obama’s numbers rising by 2 and McCain’s falling by 2 since you penned the above nearly a week ago.
http://www. gallup. com/ poll/ 110365/Gallup-Daily-Race-Stabilizes-McCain-Two.aspx
By tracher
September 16, 2008 8:34 AM | Link to this
Conservative women disgust me. If you’re not tied to a man, you’re tied to God. I feel sorry for you that you’ve never found it in you to think for yourselves. Enjoy life and stop judging so much. Your anger is so overwhelming. It makes me sad to read how unhappy you conservative women are. I feel sorry for you on so many levels.
By Gale
September 16, 2008 8:43 AM | Link to this
USinUK, Thanks for the goods on Palin’s performance as gov. Sheesh! I wonder where that 80% approval rate came from? Apparently not from people who have tried to get her to do anything other than attend anti-abortion rallies. Her precipitous acceptance of the VP offer reminds me of my first marriage proposal response. “Cool.” I was young and stupid and figured people were supposed to get married, so he was as good as the next guy. It didn’t last long.
Are they letting you go home at regular hours, USinUK, or is the financial crisis causing you extra hours?
By Gale
September 16, 2008 8:55 AM | Link to this
tracher, I might qualify your condemnation of conservative women with the word “social”. It is the social conservatives that are destroying the process by insisting that everyone believe as they do; whether democrat or republican. I think many people who cringe at labeling themselves liberal, would lean a bit more to the conservaltive side if it were not for the social conservatives. I think fiscal conservative policies are good for everyone. But cast a vote in that column, and it is assumed you are agreeing with the social conservatives. We need a real departure from the two party system. We need another real choice. Independants always lack funding because they reach out to fringe that does not fund campaigns. We need independant candidates to reach the center of American in a way that will convince them to open their wallets. The problem has been that the moderates always view independants as a poor ROI for their money.
By Gale
September 16, 2008 9:07 AM | Link to this
“missing in action. Since taking office in 2007, Ms. Palin has spent 312 nights at her Wasilla home, some 600 miles to the north of the governor’s mansion in Juneau, records show.”
One wonders if Ms Palin, should McCain be elected, plan to move her family to DC and make frequent trips on a private large jet (since size is needed to get over the mountains) to Alaska to hunt wolves from helicopters; all at taxpayer expense. Or perhaps, she will choose to leave her family in Wasilla and travel there daily to tuck in the kiddies.
By tracher
September 16, 2008 9:10 AM | Link to this
Gale, point very well taken. Even I, as a liberal and Democrat, can wrap my arms more around a Schwarzenegger Repub than a McCain or Bush repub. I think if conservatives looked carefully, Obama is quite centrist and pragmatic on the economic side, while liberal in social views. Thank you for the clarity, and let me re-condemn: Socially conservative women - I feel sorry for you! And yes, you disgust me.
By USinUK
September 16, 2008 9:36 AM | Link to this
Hi Gale!!
Thanks for the goods on Palin’s performance as gov. Sheesh! I wonder where that 80% approval rate came from?
AK is a redder-than-red state - the 80% came from the same place that W still maintains his rock-steady 30-ish percent.
Her precipitous acceptance of the VP offer reminds me of my first marriage proposal response. “Cool.” I was young and stupid and figured people were supposed to get married, so he was as good as the next guy. It didn’t last long.
yes, but you were young and stupid. she should hopefully be much smarter. I have no problem with her being ambitious (I’m a proud member of the You Go, Girl Club), but I’d like for a modicum of ability and intelligence to be in the package, as well.
if you haven’t read the NYT piece linked above, do. it’s a very interesting read.
Are they letting you go home at regular hours, USinUK, or is the financial crisis causing you extra hours?
Very kind of you to ask - fortunately, my hours are the same (although yesterday was chock-full of research, slicing and dicing the numbers). I’m not complaining, though - my day was nowhere near as bad as the folks at Lehman (from today’s Times of London):
For many of those filing out of the bank’s London headquarters yesterday, it was a painful end of a long association. About 5,000 Lehman staff lost their jobs yesterday with no guarantee that they would be paid up to date, no payoff and no pension. Many had bought homes or borrowed heavily on the back of share options that made them paper millionaires – but which are now worthless.
For 24-year-old Edouard d’Archimbaud, it was supposed to be the beginning of a new career as a trader. But he was intercepted on the way to his desk and told that his first day would also be his last. “Everybody is fired,” he said. “A friend of mine working for a French investment bank told me a joke last week that Lehman Brothers employees were putting only £5 on their canteen cards so they would not lose any money. It was a joke, but now it is a reality.”
Mark Exley, a former Lehman Brothers trader who had 11 years of bonuses locked in as shares until next year, watched helplessly as his dreams of early retirement evaporated. At their height, the shares were worth several hundreds of thousands of pounds. Many of his former colleagues at the bank, which he left in March, would be much worse off, he said. “For managing directors, 50 or 60 per cent of their bonuses were paid in stock, so for some people that would mean $2.5 million to $3 million. I know a lot of people at Lehman who have spent the money already – they have bought holiday homes or other things.”
gah - this isn’t another dot-com bust - this is so much worse … there are still trillions of dollars worth of CDS holdings that need to unwind …
it’s going to get a lot uglier …
By Gale
September 16, 2008 9:59 AM | Link to this
It is painful when so many people are hurt like that. I thought the Enron debacle would have taught people not to be so vested in their own company’s stock. I worked for a company 20 years ago that went bankrupt; a much, much smaller company. We lost accrued vacation, salary, and reimbursable expenses that people had been convinced to put on their own cards. $20k seemed like a lot at the time. The owner managed to keep his new pricey home and new suburban. B*stard knew what was going to happen.
By The Other Jack
September 16, 2008 10:08 AM | Link to this
USinUK
you would know.
You underestimate the depth of your indoctrination. I have never said I have never been wrong. I have never said that Republicans have mode absolutely no mistakes
again, they never promised they would. their plan was to reduce the amount of government corporate welfare … the GOP blocked it.
That is absolutely not what was released in Pelosi’s press release. That is BS and you know it. And the GOP has a monitory, but they were able to block it? sounds like they had some help.
so, how are those record oil revenues working out for you, TOJ? aren’t you happy that your tax money is going to supplement it???
I would be more happy if people like you would hold our present government responsible for the promises they keep. Too much to ask.?
as far as the world economy goes, car ownership rose by nearly 11% during 2007, motorcycle ownership rose 9% (source: China Car Times). India has about a million cars added to their roads each year (source: NYT). so, yes, the market has changed - it is a helluva lot bigger than it was when they took office in Jan 2007.
That’s right, set in your office in London and tell me about prices in MY country’s grocery stores. After al, you are the financial expert. Since the Democrats are in charge, kt must be my imagination that my grocery bill almost doubled this month.
gee, Truth. no. I don’t get it. I only do economics and financial analysis for a living. pwease expwain it to me.
Explain something to you? Are you crazy? You are rude arrogant and condescending enough already.
Okay. fine. here’s some remedial economics for you: Capitalism - An economic system based on a free market, open competition, profit motive and private ownership of the means of production. Capitalism encourages private investment and business, compared to a government-controlled economy. Investors in these private companies (i.e. shareholders) also own the firms and are known as capitalists. Socialism - Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy. The stage in Marxist-Leninist theory intermediate between capitalism and communism, in which collective ownership of the economy under the dictatorship of the proletariat has not yet been successfully achieved.
Of course, neither definition said anything about the two system’s ability to actually step in and fix problems, but it gave you a really good opportunity to be once again, rude arrogant and condescending. I think this Palen thing is making every liberal I know just rude and nasty people. Like I said, the dark side of the force is showing it’s head.
please, please, PLEASE … if you’re going to be a republican, please learn the difference between the two. I mean, really.
Please, please, please, stop looking for jabs and start discussions again. No one can say anything without you jumping up their butt, attacking everything about them.
good god - you really don’t get it, do you. or you don’t read the news much.
No I don’t. I work in the news, but again, who is going to argue with you?
you want to blame the Dems for something that has been brewing since 2002??? sorry, bub … it’s just not so.
They have been driving the bus for two years. So when can we start to actually blame the people that you put in office? Give me a year that I will be allowed by you to criticize democrats. 2010? 2020? In my lifetime? Give me an idea when you think they can start taking on some responsibility, now that they have been leading my country for two years. (Did I count those years right. I sure don’t want another math lesson from the resident expert on every single issue). Can you do that?
By USinUK
September 16, 2008 10:16 AM | Link to this
Gale -
It is painful when so many people are hurt like that. I thought the Enron debacle would have taught people not to be so vested in their own company’s stock. I worked for a company 20 years ago that went bankrupt; a much, much smaller company. We lost accrued vacation, salary, and reimbursable expenses that people had been convinced to put on their own cards. $20k seemed like a lot at the time. The owner managed to keep his new pricey home and new suburban. Bstard knew what was going to happen.*
isn’t that always the way? I felt soooooo bad for these folks yesterday - it’s bad enough when you get laid off and have a small severance to help you out … these folks don’t even know if they’re going to get paid for the work they did this month …
to put it in perspective - this isn’t some small company - Lehman Bros has been around since 1850 - part of me totally understands why people thought “sure, I’ll take the stock - this is Lehman - what can go wrong??”
the editorial cartoon in this morning’s paper was some guy showing up at home totally drunk and disheveled, apologizing to his wife “I’m sorry I’m late - I was invited to 5,000 leaving parties” … ahhhh … gallows humor …
I work in the city (sort of the Wall Street area of London) - we’re about a mile or so away from Canary Wharf, but even the pubs in our neck of the woods were heaving yesterday when I left for home … everyone is waiting for the next shoe to drop (notice I didn’t say “other shoe” … there are going to be loads more to come).
By Ga Dem
September 16, 2008 10:31 AM | Link to this
So when can we start to actually blame the people that you put in office? Give me a year that I will be allowed by you to criticize democrats.
First of all, as a Georgia Democrat in a Republican district, NO ONE I voted for works in Washington, so I am not in any way responsible for putting anyone there. Not. One. Single. “Representative.” But I’m happy to answer your question:
Now! Blame them NOW! The Dems in Congress have not done enough to reverse the disastrous policies of 12 years of Congressional control by criminials who call themselves Republicans, nor rectify the abuses perpetrated upon this country by the criminals in the executive branch. IMO, they should have begun impeachment proceedings against Bush in January ‘07. Pelosi took it off the table; she’s the best friend Dubya ever had. I see little difference between now and before the ‘06 election. So BLAME THEM NOW if you are sick to your stomach about what the Republicans have done to America!
By USinUK
September 16, 2008 10:45 AM | Link to this
TOJ -
“again, they never promised they would. their plan was to reduce the amount of government corporate welfare … the GOP blocked it.” That is absolutely not what was released in Pelosi’s press release.
wrong, again, Truth:
http://www. house. gov/ pelosi/ press/releases/April06/Rubberstamp.html
“Democrats have a commonsense plan to help bring down skyrocketing gas prices by cracking down on price gouging, rolling back the billions of dollars in taxpayer subsidies, tax breaks and royalty relief given to big oil and gas companies, and increasing production of alternative fuels.”
That’s right, set in your office in London and tell me about prices in MY country’s grocery stores. After al, you are the financial expert.
I will - especially as our grocery bills are up, as well (roughly 30% for fresh food) … food prices are up globally, not just in the US, are you going to blame Dems for what’s going on here in the UK, as well? and in China? and in the Eurozone?
Explain something to you? Are you crazy? You are rude arrogant and condescending enough already.
so, does that make you the pot? the kettle? the firegrate?
No I don’t. I work in the news, but again, who is going to argue with you?
feel free to argue with me - but you better bring more than opinion - especially on economic matters - you better back it up with some hard, cold facts …
They have been driving the bus for two years. So when can we start to actually blame the people that you put in office?
and what is unwinding right now was put into place at least 5 years before they took office … the housing bubble is not the Dems’ fault - and if you were half-way honest with yourself, you’d acknowledge that. Sub-prime loans didn’t start in 2007. The credit derivatives based on those loans didn’t start in 2007. your bugaboo, gas prices, are related to the credit crunch, as well
http://www. eia. doe. gov/ oilgas/petroleum/datapublications/wrgp/mogashomepage.html
so, in addition to rising demand, you have OPEC reducing production, you have recent hurricanes causing the shut-down of refineries - and, if you look at the chart, the credit fall-out started last august - look at how prices started rising soon after (as investors started placing bets to gain some yield for their portfolios since corporate holdings weren’t generating yield nor were they particularly liquid)
this isn’t indoctrination, Truth - this IS the Truth.
oh, and as for the GOP minority - the Dems hold the house in a slim majority of roughly 30 (so, less than 10%) - not a comfortable majority and one easily lost on contentious issues. the Senate holds the majority by a slim margin of 1
By Gandalf, the Grey
September 16, 2008 10:52 AM | Link to this
I am sick to my stomach “GA DEM” of what Democrats have done to America, Jimmy Carter gave away the Panama Canal, that makes me sick. Nancy and her crew of dullards can’t come up with an Energy Policy.
Lets lay that out real quick for ya.
Drill HERE (in the USA, the Continetal Shelf, ANWR, TEXAS, ARK, INDIANA,…everywhere)
Drill NOW (So in 10 years or 5 years or 15 years we aren’t so dependent of foreign oil, stop all lawsuits that oppose drilling)
INCREASE INCENTIVES FOR ALTERNATE FUEL (Now that gas prices are high enough for people not to want to pay it, we can explore other means of power, Biofuel? Hydrogen? Electric? to name a few)
Energy policy solved! See how easy it is? Nancy is such a twit!
By Gale
September 16, 2008 11:04 AM | Link to this
USinUK, I just readt the nytimes article about Palin that you linked to. ::shudder:: I am reminded why it is hard to enforce coding standards for programmers; everyone wants theo use their standards. Ok, Alaska is full of corruption and Sarah set out to fix it. All she appears to have done is replace it with her own corruption.
By USinUK
September 16, 2008 11:09 AM | Link to this
Gale -
Ok, Alaska is full of corruption and Sarah set out to fix it. All she appears to have done is replace it with her own corruption
well said!
By Hetché
September 16, 2008 11:13 AM | Link to this
No one can say anything without you jumping up their butt, attacking everything about them.
Isn’t that a kettle/black thing?
By Gale
September 16, 2008 11:24 AM | Link to this
Replacing corruption with another brand of corruption. It seems to be the pitfall for those who insist on keeping within an inner circle and maintaining absolute loyalty and secrecy. No opposing views ever get considered. If you are not with me, you are against me. Sounds familiar.
By JustaJew
September 16, 2008 11:32 AM | Link to this
Did anybody happen to catch that little piece in the news last night and this morning about how Pakistan’s military will open fire on any U.S. military personnel who violate their national borders? Apparently Bush authorized a secret directive in July that says we should break their territorial boundaries if we suspect insurgents were there. This was done without the approval of the Pakistani government (allegedly). Anybody want to weigh in on this? If it’s true, I think I’m actually going to agree with President Bush on this one (I know, run for the hills, surely Armageddon is upon us!!!). I mean, we’ve supplied Pakistan with over $10 billion in aid since this thing started, that should buy us a little face time in their nation (although I don’t agree that it should have been done without the approval of the Pakistani government, if that is indeed the case).
By USinUK
September 16, 2008 11:40 AM | Link to this
JustaJew -
I mean, we’ve supplied Pakistan with over $10 billion in aid since this thing started, that should buy us a little face time in their nation (although I don’t agree that it should have been done without the approval of the Pakistani government, if that is indeed the case)
remember … there’s a new sheriff in town in Pakistan (Zadari in / Musharaff out) … I think the rules of the game have changed …
Calvinball, anyone?
By Gandalf, the Grey
September 16, 2008 11:41 AM | Link to this
Juden, OPEN SEASON ON PAKISTANI’S i SAY!
By Gale
September 16, 2008 11:49 AM | Link to this
I remember hearing something about Bush saying he would authorize crossing into Pakistan to pursue insurgents. I think Pakisatan is within their rights to reject that process. I think Americans would object a foreign military force operating on our soil. However, IMO we should immediately remove foreign aid to Pakistan until we are convinced that they will pursue those insurgents for us.
By GOT IT!
September 16, 2008 12:00 PM | Link to this
I was little confused at first, but I think I got it straight now….
— If your name is Barack you’re a radical, un-American Muslim.
— You’re nick-named Barracuda and name your kids Willow, Trig, Track, and Piper you’re a maverick.
— If you grow up in Hawaii, raised by your grandparents, you’re ‘exotic; different.’
— Grow up a Pentacostal speaking in tongue in Alaska, eating moose burgers and nick; you’re the quintessential all-American story.
— Graduate from Harvard law School and you are unstable.
— Attend 5 different colleges in 5 years (2 of them in Hawaii by the way) before graduating, you’re decisive and well-grounded.
— If you spend 3 years as a brilliant community organizer, the first black President of the Harvard Law Review, create a voter registration drive that registers 150,000 new voters, spend 12 years as a Constitutional Law professor, spend 8 years as a State Senator representing a district with over 750,0 00 people, become chairman of the state Senate’s Health and Human Services committee, spend 4 years in the United States Senate representing a state of 13 million people while sponsoring 131 bills and serving on the Foreign Affairs, Environment and Public Works and Veteran’s Affairs committees, you don’t have any real leadership experience.
— If your total resume is: local weather girl, 4 years on the city council and 6 years as the mayor of a town with less than 6,000 people and leave it in debt, 20 months as the governor of a state with only 650,000 people, then you’re qualified to become the country’s second highest ranking executive.
— If you have been married to the same woman for 19 years while raising 2 beautiful daughters, all within Protestant churches, you’re not a real Christian.
— If you cheated on your first wife with a rich heiress, and divorce your disfigured wife and marry heiress Cindy the next month, OR you elope and your first child is born less than 8 months later, you’re a real good Christian.
— If you teach responsible, age appropriate sex education, including the proper use of birth control, you are eroding the fiber of society.
— If, while governor, you staunchly advocate abstinence only, with no other option in sex education in your state’s school system while your unwed teen daughter ends up pregnant, you’re very responsible.
— If your wife is a Harvard graduate lawyer who gave up a position in a prestigious law firm to work for the betterment of her inner city community, then gave that up to raise a family, your family’s values don’t represent America’s.
— If you’re husband is nicknamed ‘First Dude’, with at least one DWI conviction and no college education, who didn’t register to vote until age 25 and once was a member of a group that advocated the secession of Alaska from the USA, your family is extremely admirable.
OK, much clearer now.
By Gandalf, the Grey
September 16, 2008 12:20 PM | Link to this
I bet when Palin get’s in when whomp that Paki butt good! From the air I bet! OPEN SEASON on Theocratic goverments! YEAH! Take down the vatican too! WHOOP!
By Gandalf, the Grey
September 16, 2008 12:30 PM | Link to this
GOT IT: All you have is your Head up your fourth point of contact!
Barrack isn’t muslim name? He didn’t go by Barry until running for state office? I would be embarassed by a muslim name if I was indeed a Christian. How did he get baptized anyway? What is his Christian name?
BTW she is running for VP?
What about the qualification of the man running for the presidency?
APPLES TO APPLES …GOT IT?
See! I made a funny, using your byline as a punch line, with a question mark.see! Isn’t that witty! kinda like that prose you wrote. Please, quit stealing our oxygen and go home and cry over losing another election.
By Copyleft
September 16, 2008 12:30 PM | Link to this
Palin can’t declare “open season on theocratic governments,” since the people voting for her want her to establish one.
By Gandalf, the Grey
September 16, 2008 12:33 PM | Link to this
We, as parents, are well aware of the importance of our teachers who teach and program our children. We also know how important it is for our children to play with good-thinking children growing up.
Sen. Barack Obama has grown up with the teaching of very angry, militant white and black people: the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Louis Farrakhan, William Ayers and Rev. Michael Pfleger. We cannot say we are not affected by teachers who are militant and angry. We know too well that we become like them, and Mr. Obama will run this country in their mindset.
The Democratic Party, in its quest for power, has managed a propaganda campaign with subliminal messages, creating a God-like figure in a man who falls short in every way. It seems to me that if Mr. Obama wins the presidential election, then Messrs. Farrakhan, Wright, Ayers and Pfleger will gain power for their need to demoralize this country and help create a socialist America.
The Democrats have targeted young people, knowing how easy it is to bring forth whatever is needed to program their minds. I know this process well. I was caught up in the hysteria during the Vietnam era, which was brought about through Marxist propaganda underlying the so-called peace movement. The radicals of that era were successful in giving the communists power to bring forth the killing fields and slaughter 2.5 million people in Cambodia and South Vietnam. Did they stop the war, or did they bring the war to those innocent people? In the end, they turned their backs on all the horror and suffering they helped create and walked away.
Those same leaders who were in the streets in the ’60s are very powerful today in their work to bring down the Iraq war and to attack our president, and they have found their way into our schools. William Ayers is a good example of that.
Thank God, today, we have a strong generation of young soldiers who know exactly who they are and what they must do to protect our freedom and our democracy. And we have the leadership of Gen. David Petraeus, who has brought hope and stability to Iraq and prevented the terrorists from establishing a base in that country. Our soldiers are lifting us to an example of patriotism at a time when we’ve almost forgotten who we are and what is at stake.
If Mr. Obama had his way, he would have pulled our troops from Iraq years ago and initiated an unprecedented bloodbath, turning over that country to the barbarianism of our enemies. With what he has openly stated about his plans for our military, and his lack of understanding about the true nature of our enemies, there’s not a cell in my body that can accept the idea that Mr. Obama can keep us safe from the terrorists around the world, and from Iran, which is making great strides toward getting the atomic bomb. And while a misleading portrait of Mr. Obama is being perpetrated by a media controlled by the Democrats, the Obama camp has sent out people to attack the greatness of Sen. John McCain, whose suffering and courage in a Hanoi prison camp is an American legend.
Gen. Wesley Clark, who himself has shame upon him, having been relieved of his command, has done their bidding and become a lying fool in his need to demean a fellow soldier and a true hero.
This is a perilous time, and more than ever, the world needs a united and strong America. If, God forbid, we live to see Mr. Obama president, we will live through a socialist era that America has not seen before, and our country will be weakened in every way.
By Gandalf, the Grey
September 16, 2008 12:33 PM | Link to this
We, as parents, are well aware of the importance of our teachers who teach and program our children. We also know how important it is for our children to play with good-thinking children growing up.
Sen. Barack Obama has grown up with the teaching of very angry, militant white and black people: the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Louis Farrakhan, William Ayers and Rev. Michael Pfleger. We cannot say we are not affected by teachers who are militant and angry. We know too well that we become like them, and Mr. Obama will run this country in their mindset.
The Democratic Party, in its quest for power, has managed a propaganda campaign with subliminal messages, creating a God-like figure in a man who falls short in every way. It seems to me that if Mr. Obama wins the presidential election, then Messrs. Farrakhan, Wright, Ayers and Pfleger will gain power for their need to demoralize this country and help create a socialist America.
The Democrats have targeted young people, knowing how easy it is to bring forth whatever is needed to program their minds. I know this process well. I was caught up in the hysteria during the Vietnam era, which was brought about through Marxist propaganda underlying the so-called peace movement. The radicals of that era were successful in giving the communists power to bring forth the killing fields and slaughter 2.5 million people in Cambodia and South Vietnam. Did they stop the war, or did they bring the war to those innocent people? In the end, they turned their backs on all the horror and suffering they helped create and walked away.
Those same leaders who were in the streets in the ’60s are very powerful today in their work to bring down the Iraq war and to attack our president, and they have found their way into our schools. William Ayers is a good example of that.
Thank God, today, we have a strong generation of young soldiers who know exactly who they are and what they must do to protect our freedom and our democracy. And we have the leadership of Gen. David Petraeus, who has brought hope and stability to Iraq and prevented the terrorists from establishing a base in that country. Our soldiers are lifting us to an example of patriotism at a time when we’ve almost forgotten who we are and what is at stake.
If Mr. Obama had his way, he would have pulled our troops from Iraq years ago and initiated an unprecedented bloodbath, turning over that country to the barbarianism of our enemies. With what he has openly stated about his plans for our military, and his lack of understanding about the true nature of our enemies, there’s not a cell in my body that can accept the idea that Mr. Obama can keep us safe from the terrorists around the world, and from Iran, which is making great strides toward getting the atomic bomb. And while a misleading portrait of Mr. Obama is being perpetrated by a media controlled by the Democrats, the Obama camp has sent out people to attack the greatness of Sen. John McCain, whose suffering and courage in a Hanoi prison camp is an American legend.
Gen. Wesley Clark, who himself has shame upon him, having been relieved of his command, has done their bidding and become a lying fool in his need to demean a fellow soldier and a true hero.
This is a perilous time, and more than ever, the world needs a united and strong America. If, God forbid, we live to see Mr. Obama president, we will live through a socialist era that America has not seen before, and our country will be weakened in every way.
By Gandalf, the Grey
September 16, 2008 12:47 PM | Link to this
see if I post it twice you will surely read it more carefully!
By Gandalf, the Grey
September 16, 2008 12:53 PM | Link to this
Copywrong: What constitutional ammendment has been proposed to accomplish this theocratic goverment of yours? You are such a (DUMBASS)! :-) You never have any valid facts to back your ignorant leftist for leftist sake arguments. Please go post on the Gwinnett blogs and leave the grown ups alone.
By HeeHaw
September 16, 2008 12:53 PM | Link to this
see if I post it twice you will surely read it more carefully
naw, we just figured you were memory impaired. (gee, did I post that already?)
By As usual
September 16, 2008 1:00 PM | Link to this
YAAAAWWWWWWWWWWN!
By Gandalf, the Grey
September 16, 2008 1:09 PM | Link to this
AS USUAL Please spell correctly you (DUMBASS)!
Hee Haw, you’re right, I was trying to cover up. BUSTED!
By Gandalf, the Grey
September 16, 2008 1:09 PM | Link to this
AS USUAL Please spell correctly you (DUMBASS)!
Hee Haw, you’re right, I was trying to cover up. BUSTED!
By Gale
September 16, 2008 1:12 PM | Link to this
Wrong, GTG. If you post a long post twice, I am more likely to scroll past the second one more quickly.
By JustaJew
September 16, 2008 2:05 PM | Link to this
GTG, are you now or have you ever been classified as a “redneck”? Would you also recommend we “take it to” the North Koreans? After all, they have a theocracy of sorts, what with considering their “divine leader” to be a God? How bout Pakistan? They don’t have a “theocracy” per se but they are Islamic and believe in Sharia. Wanna know what else links North Korea and Pakistan? Semi-despoting regimes with nuclear weapons at their disposal. I’ll bet you’d also advocate invading Russia. Do you want the planet to go on existing or not?
By Gandalf, the Grey
September 16, 2008 2:07 PM | Link to this
GALE! Good Afternoon, Now STFU PLEASE!
By Gale
September 16, 2008 2:08 PM | Link to this
Does anyone know where an accurate and unbiased report of Bush’s visit to Galveston might be found. I read conflicting stories about it. In one, he told the evacuees that the Feds would pay for all the debris removal with no matching funds from the state and the Feds would reimbuse the evacuees for time spent away from their homes. Another report includes more quotes that seem to moderate that and changes the order of the comments. I was curious whether ex Texas Gov Bush was going overboard making promises to Texans or not, and also, how the same issues were handled in Louisianna.
By Gale
September 16, 2008 2:18 PM | Link to this
GTG, You say the sweetest things.
By USinUK
September 16, 2008 2:19 PM | Link to this
Gale -
check out CNN:
Speaking to reporters after arriving in Houston, Bush said the federal government will pay 100 percent for debris removal and emergency preparedness measures that state and local governments have put in place, without requiring matching funds from the state.
“People have been moved out of their homes, and I know a lot of people are anxious to get back in,” he said. “I urge you to listen to state and local authorities before you come back.”
“I know some are concerned about whether the government will reimburse you for your stay, and the answer is ‘yes,’” he said.
and from Fox:
President George W. Bush is making his third trip to survey Gulf Coast hurricane damage in two weeks, and he says he fully expects to meet plenty of frustrated people when he gets to Texas.
“My message will be that we hear you, and we’ll work as hard and fast as we can to help you get your lives back up to normal,” the president said.
He is traveling Tuesday to two Texas cities hit hardest by Hurricane Ike, Galveston and Houston.
By Gale
September 16, 2008 2:35 PM | Link to this
Interesting, isn’t it? I read the same story in the NY Times and USAToday; each was similar, but differently slanted. Fox sounds the most non-committal. I think USAToday was the same as CNN. The Times was not quite as non-committal as Fox. I read elsewhere that the media is so desparate to print something they are no checking facts. It does not only apply to politics. Perhaps it is internet news and TV 24 hours news that prompts them to this action.
By Sunshine
September 16, 2008 2:41 PM | Link to this
GTG, you should site your source instead of just making it appear like you have written something yourself! This is an op-ed piece from Jon Voight in the WASHINGTON TIMES (Conservative Propaganda Rag!) And considering Mr. Voight’s relationship (or lack there of) with his daughter and grandchildren, I don’t know if he should be lecturing anyone on parenting!
see:www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/jul/28/voight/
By Sunshine
September 16, 2008 2:43 PM | Link to this
GTG, you should site your source instead of just making it appear like you have written something yourself! This is an op-ed piece from Jon Voight in the WASHINGTON TIMES (Conservative Propaganda Rag!) And considering Mr. Voight’s relationship (or lack there of) with his daughter and grandchildren, I don’t know if he should be lecturing anyone on parenting!
see:www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/jul/28/voight/
By Gandalf, the Grey
September 16, 2008 2:48 PM | Link to this
Gale, I said Please..Really I am working on the whole sensitivity thing…but it’s hard.
By Gandalf, the Grey
September 16, 2008 2:49 PM | Link to this
Gale, I said Please..Really I am working on the whole sensitivity thing…but it’s hard.
By Gandalf, the Grey
September 16, 2008 2:49 PM | Link to this
Gale, I said Please..Really I am working on the whole sensitivity thing…but it’s hard.
By Sunshine
September 16, 2008 2:49 PM | Link to this
(CNN) — Former Bush adviser Karl Rove said Sunday that Sen. John McCain had gone “one step too far” in some of his recent ads attacking Sen. Barack Obama. Karl Rove said both candidates are guilty of going too far in their attacks.
Rove has leveled similar criticism against Obama.
“McCain has gone in some of his ads — similarly gone one step too far,” he told Fox News, “and sort of attributing to Obama things that are, you know, beyond the ‘100 percent truth’ test.”
Anyone else feel like they just slipped into Bizarro Land?!?!?! I mean come on people, if Rove, of all people is calling you a liar…..WOW!
By USinUK
September 16, 2008 2:52 PM | Link to this
Gale -
that’s why I love google news - if you type in your search, you usually can get a wide array of news sources and can compare …
sunshine -
(Conservative Propaganda Rag!)
your forgot - owned and run by the Rev. Sun Myong Moon … oh, yeah, GREAT source for “accurate” news
By Sunshine
September 16, 2008 2:52 PM | Link to this
Sorry for the double post!
By USinUK
September 16, 2008 3:00 PM | Link to this
wahoooo!!! Gale, you’re gonna love this … the quote of the WEEK:
“Don’t get me started. She’s the anti-Wonder Woman. She’s judgmental and dictatorial, telling people how they’ve got to live their lives. And a superior religious self-righteousness … that’s just not what Wonder Woman is about. Hillary Clinton is a lot more like Wonder Woman than Mrs. Palin. She did it all, didn’t she?
“No one has the right to dictate, particularly in this country, to force your own personal views upon the populace — religious views. I think that is suppressive, oppressive, and anti-American. We are the loyal opposition. That’s the whole point of this country: freedom of speech, personal rights, personal freedom. Nor would Wonder Woman be the person to tell people how to live their lives. Worry about your own life! Worry about your own family! Don’t be telling me what I want to do with mine.
“I like John McCain. But this woman — it’s anathema to me what she stands for. I think America should be very afraid. Very afraid. Separation of church and state is the one thing the creators of the Constitution did agree on — that it wasn’t to be a religious government. People should feel free to speak their minds about religion but not dictate it or put it into law.”
— Actress and singer Lynda Carter, best known for playing Wonder Woman in the ’70s, responding to a question from Philadelphia Magazine about what she makes of Republican comparisons of Sarah Palin to the superhero.
she so rocks !!
By Gale
September 16, 2008 3:01 PM | Link to this
Is Karl not on anyone’s payroll at this time? He seems confused.
GtG, I appreciate your civil attitude. Believe me, I do. But the reason a discussion site exists is for discussion. The site is fairly useless if only one person writes; much as we like your posts.
By Gandalf, the Grey
September 16, 2008 3:03 PM | Link to this
Juden, my response below in bold!
GTG, are you now or have you ever been classified as a “redneck”?
Why thank you sir!
Would you also recommend we “take it to” the North Koreans? After all, they have a theocracy of sorts, what with considering their “divine leader” to be a God?
Can I hear a “Hell Yeah!” Let’s push them gooks into the Sea of Japan and watch ‘em drown like rats!
How bout Pakistan? They don’t have a “theocracy” per se but they are Islamic and believe in Sharia. Wanna know what else links North Korea and Pakistan? Semi-despoting regimes with nuclear weapons at their disposal.
Slap a bully and he’ll back down. Give him your lunch money once, be prepared to give it all year long.
I’ll bet you’d also advocate invading Russia.
No, just spanking thier so called Army when and if they invade NATO (Georgia,the country not the state). Fought that crap they call armor once already in Desert Storm, no real threat to any US formation, and with total air superiority, piece of cake.
Do you want the planet to go on existing or not?
I am pretty sure the planet will go on existing, despite our best efforts to destroy it. Look at the bright side! Nuclear Winter is a cure for global warming.
By SC Birdflyte
September 16, 2008 3:10 PM | Link to this
Gandalf, isn’t there a Balrog somewhere you need to fight?
By Gandalf, the Grey
September 16, 2008 3:11 PM | Link to this
Sunshine, no one thinks I can write something that eloquent, everyone knows I am but a tool of the right.
By Gandalf, the Grey
September 16, 2008 3:11 PM | Link to this
Sunshine, no one thinks I can write something that eloquent, everyone knows I am but a tool of the right.
By JustaJew
September 16, 2008 3:16 PM | Link to this
GTG, I should have known you were a soldier. All that ra-ra we can beat anybody any day of the week and twice on Sunday crap. You said earlier that if you slap a bully once they’ll back down but over the last 60 years it seems that America has done its fair share of bullying. One of the cheesiest lines ever in a comic book is “With great power comes great responsibility.” It’s cheesy but it’s true and especially over the last 8 or so years, we haven’t exercised our power very responsibly. Jeesus, just because we CAN kick anyone’s a* doesn’t mean we SHOULD.
By Gale
September 16, 2008 3:17 PM | Link to this
USinUK, I ran across the Wonder Woman comment too. I love it! I guess she feels a kinship with Wonder Woman to have such a vehement opinion of St Sarah.
By Gandalf, the Grey
September 16, 2008 3:20 PM | Link to this
Balrog? Where is this BALROG!
By The Other Jack
September 16, 2008 3:35 PM | Link to this
USinUK
so, does that make you the pot? the kettle? the firegrate?
That sums it up, doesn’t it. Once again, a democrat can’t take the responsibility for their actions. It is all a Republican’s fault.
You being the expert and all (on every frickin’ thing) please explain how raising gas taxes will lower the price at the pump. Is that something that us mere mortals will never “get”.
You know, come to think of it, don’t explain anything. I’m sure republicans will be at fault and a democrats will be the savior of man.
You are aware that the extreme lowering of interest rates started during Clinton, but there I go again. daring to mention anything economically to the great Khan.
You don’t bring facts. You bring arrogance and rudeness. Then when anyone questions anything you say, you claim to be the only voice. The definitions of the types of economic systems are the perfect example. You post two completely unrelated definitions and then claim immaculate victory, saying that I should learn the systems.
Stick it where the sun doesn’t shine. I’m sick of trying to be nice to you and you going off like a roman candle.
By The Other Jack
September 16, 2008 3:36 PM | Link to this
Hetché
You are a new3poster so how do you know anything about me. Sounds like you are just a big frickin’ joke to me.
By The Other Jack
September 16, 2008 3:39 PM | Link to this
GOT IT!
Sounds like Obama has the qualifications to be the president of any college. I say, give him the job.
Now we need to find someone qualified to lead the country. Any ideas?
By Sunshine
September 16, 2008 3:42 PM | Link to this
Hey just curious, does anyone read Mark Morford column in the SF Gate? He is just razor sharp with his wit and he is spot on most of the time. He is coming from a very liberal POV, but it is lovely reading twice weekly! His commentary usually makes me squirmy from the sexual innuendo and at the same time ponder new ideas and laugh at the absurdity of the world!
By Gandalf, the Grey
September 16, 2008 3:42 PM | Link to this
Juden, Just becase we can doesn’t we shouldn’t either. So your theory is to let despots run rampant? Mine is to smack ‘em, HARD. My theory is better than yours at this moment. Talking to despots didn’t work for Chamberlain and it won’t work for us. Destroying evil is something I would think one of your heritage would understand. Not talking with, negotiating with, destroying. BIG POWERFUL WORD. Islamic Facists=EVIL. When you beat up the bully, you’re the man. Period.
By The Other Jack
September 16, 2008 3:45 PM | Link to this
she so rocks !!
Another Hollywood celebrity is against the Republicans. What a surprise. But of course there is no bias in the media.
And just look at Linda Carter’s accomplishments. Bad acting, doing what she is told. Looks pretty. Is very opinionated about Republicans,.Yea, she is the perfect liberal woman, isn’t she?
By The Other Jack
September 16, 2008 3:55 PM | Link to this
Sunshine
Do you listen to Rush Limbaugh much? He is just razor sharp with his wit and he is spot on most of the time. He is coming from a very conservative POV, but it is lovely listening every day. His commentary usually makes me squirmy from the facts about the democrats and at the same time ponder new ideas and laugh at the absurdity of the world!
The point I am making is Mark Morford is sarcastic, rude and mean to anyone who doesn’t think like him, same as Rush. He is nothing more, nothing less. (Well actually much less considering how few people read him and how many listen to Rush.)
By Sunshine
September 16, 2008 3:59 PM | Link to this
The Other Jack:
Since when is being educated at one of the best higher institutes of learning in our country, and that institute being a law school, and then that person teaching constitutional law (you know that document the President swears to uphold!) a bad thing when it comes to running for president?
By Sunshine
September 16, 2008 4:06 PM | Link to this
And just look at Linda Carter’s (Scratch that Don’t you mean Sarah Palin’s) accomplishments. Bad acting, doing what she is told. Looks pretty. Is very opinionated about Republicans,.Yea, she is the perfect REPUBLICAN woman, isn’t she?
You know, if the Red Pump fits….
By Gale
September 16, 2008 4:06 PM | Link to this
I read Mark Morford and his latest column is wicked funny.
Oh Jack, we don’t give Lynda Carter world importance, it was just fun. But now, you aren’t trying to pin interest rates on Clinton, are you. The president does not control the Federal reserve board, you know.
By Hetché
September 16, 2008 4:10 PM | Link to this
You are a new3poster so how do you know anything about me. Sounds like you are just a big frickin’ joke to me.
I can read, and only have to read since your return today to demonstrate I was OnPoint with the kettle/black comment.
next moronic comment you have?
By Gandalf, the Grey
September 16, 2008 4:21 PM | Link to this
From Congress 1963: CURRENT COMMUNIST GOALS
U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.
U.S. willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war.
Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.
Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.
Extension of long-term loans to Russia and Soviet satellites.
Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination.
Grant recognition of Red China. Admission of Red China to the U.N.
Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev’s promise in 1955 to settle the German question by free elections under supervision of the U.N.
Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the United States has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress.
Allow all Soviet satellites individual representation in the U.N.
Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces. (Some Communist leaders believe the world can be taken over as easily by the U.N. as by Moscow. Sometimes these two centers compete with each other as they are now doing in the Congo.)
Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party.
Do away with all loyalty oaths.
Continue giving Russia access to the U.S. Patent Office.
Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.
Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.
Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers’ associations. Put the party line in textbooks.
Gain control of all student newspapers.
Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.
Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policymaking positions.
Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.
Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to “eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms.”
Control art critics and directors of art museums. “Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art.”
Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them “censorship” and a violation of free speech and free press.
Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.
Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as “normal, natural, healthy.”
Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with “social” religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a “religious crutch.”
Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of “separation of church and state.”
Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.
Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the “common man.”
Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the “big picture.” Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.
Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture—education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.
Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus.
Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities.
Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI.
Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.
Infiltrate and gain control of big business.
Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand [or treat].
Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.
Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.
Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.
Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special-interest groups should rise up and use [“]united force[“] to solve economic, political or social problems.
Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government.
Internationalize the Panama Canal.
By Gandalf, the Grey
September 16, 2008 4:21 PM | Link to this
From Congress 1963: CURRENT COMMUNIST GOALS
U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.
U.S. willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war.
Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.
Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.
Extension of long-term loans to Russia and Soviet satellites.
Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination.
Grant recognition of Red China. Admission of Red China to the U.N.
Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev’s promise in 1955 to settle the German question by free elections under supervision of the U.N.
Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the United States has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress.
Allow all Soviet satellites individual representation in the U.N.
Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces. (Some Communist leaders believe the world can be taken over as easily by the U.N. as by Moscow. Sometimes these two centers compete with each other as they are now doing in the Congo.)
Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party.
Do away with all loyalty oaths.
Continue giving Russia access to the U.S. Patent Office.
Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.
Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.
Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers’ associations. Put the party line in textbooks.
Gain control of all student newspapers.
Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.
Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policymaking positions.
Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.
Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to “eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms.”
Control art critics and directors of art museums. “Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art.”
Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them “censorship” and a violation of free speech and free press.
Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.
Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as “normal, natural, healthy.”
Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with “social” religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a “religious crutch.”
Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of “separation of church and state.”
Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.
Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the “common man.”
Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the “big picture.” Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.
Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture—education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.
Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus.
Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities.
Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI.
Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.
Infiltrate and gain control of big business.
Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand [or treat].
Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.
Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.
Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.
Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special-interest groups should rise up and use [“]united force[“] to solve economic, political or social problems.
Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government.
Internationalize the Panama Canal.
By Gandalf, the Grey
September 16, 2008 4:30 PM | Link to this
Allah, Allah Akbar…
(DUMBASS) MUSLIM CANIDATE!
Barack Hussein Obama said the Muslim call to prayer is “one of the prettiest sounds on Earth.”
In an interview with Nicholas Kristof, published in The New York Times, Obama recited the Muslim call to prayer, the Adhan, “with a first-class [Arabic] accent.”
The opening lines of the Adhan (Azaan) is the Shahada:
“Allah is Supreme! Allah is Supreme! Allah is Supreme! Allah is Supreme! I witness that there is no god but Allah I witness that there is no god but Allah I witness that Muhammad is his prophet… “
According to Islamic scholars, reciting the Shahada, the Muslim declaration of faith, makes one a Muslim. This simple yet profound statement expresses a Muslim’s complete acceptance of, and total commitment to, the message of Islam.
Obama knows this from his Quranic studies — and he knows the New York Times will publish this fact and it will be seen throughout the Islamic world.
Regardless of Obama’s religion, what message is he sending the world’s 1.2 billion Muslims?
I suppose it’s easy for Obama to remember the Shahada for the 35 years since he left Indonesia — and in ‘first-class’ Arabic — especially since he believes the Muslim call to prayer is “one of the prettiest sounds on Earth.”
The fact that Obama can recall the Shahada after 35 years and the fact that he believes that the daily call to prayer is “one of the prettiest sounds on Earth” say that those Muslim prayers run through his head often — what does that make him?
Original New York Times source — has been deleted by the New York Times — HERE is the Kristof article on another site.
By Gandalf, the Grey
September 16, 2008 4:30 PM | Link to this
Allah, Allah Akbar…
(DUMBASS) MUSLIM CANIDATE!
Barack Hussein Obama said the Muslim call to prayer is “one of the prettiest sounds on Earth.”
In an interview with Nicholas Kristof, published in The New York Times, Obama recited the Muslim call to prayer, the Adhan, “with a first-class [Arabic] accent.”
The opening lines of the Adhan (Azaan) is the Shahada:
“Allah is Supreme! Allah is Supreme! Allah is Supreme! Allah is Supreme! I witness that there is no god but Allah I witness that there is no god but Allah I witness that Muhammad is his prophet… “
According to Islamic scholars, reciting the Shahada, the Muslim declaration of faith, makes one a Muslim. This simple yet profound statement expresses a Muslim’s complete acceptance of, and total commitment to, the message of Islam.
Obama knows this from his Quranic studies — and he knows the New York Times will publish this fact and it will be seen throughout the Islamic world.
Regardless of Obama’s religion, what message is he sending the world’s 1.2 billion Muslims?
I suppose it’s easy for Obama to remember the Shahada for the 35 years since he left Indonesia — and in ‘first-class’ Arabic — especially since he believes the Muslim call to prayer is “one of the prettiest sounds on Earth.”
The fact that Obama can recall the Shahada after 35 years and the fact that he believes that the daily call to prayer is “one of the prettiest sounds on Earth” say that those Muslim prayers run through his head often — what does that make him?
Original New York Times source — has been deleted by the New York Times — HERE is the Kristof article on another site.
By The Other Jack
September 16, 2008 4:31 PM | Link to this
Sunshine
Just ignore that she was the most popular governor in the country. That’s ELECTED GOVERNOR OF A US STATE.
But since she doesn’t think like you, she doesn’t deserve the credit for that accomplishment, does she? You make me sick.
By The Other Jack
September 16, 2008 4:33 PM | Link to this
Hetché
Hey big frickin’ Joke. I only made one comment before you started blabbering. So you are not only a big frickin’ Joke, you are also a liar.
By The Other Jack
September 16, 2008 4:42 PM | Link to this
Gale
The president does not control the Federal reserve board, you know.
Be careful, Gale. The great Khan of the forum has declared that the present Congress has not made a single mistake since they have had control of the country, so since the only person left in Washington is GW Bush. it HAD to be the president.
I have a hard time believing that the damage that had been done by the evil Republicans could not have been avoided in the two years that they have been sent home, so the blameless Congress could not have had any responsibility to control the country. I am not one to question the ultimate authority that knows more about my life than I do, so I’m not about to take such a bold stance as you.
I’ve been berated enough. You and the London Khan figure this one out. Hope you survive.
By The Other Jack
September 16, 2008 4:52 PM | Link to this
Sunshine
Since when is being educated at one of the best higher institutes of learning in our country, and that institute being a law school, and then that person teaching constitutional law (you know that document the President swears to uphold!) a bad thing when it comes to running for president?
The president is not a law maker. He is a leader of the country. Lawmakers are in the legislative branch of our government. That would be the House of Representatives and the United States Senate.
The executive branch requires the leadership of the most powerful military force the world has ever known. Not exactly on the curriculum at Harvard Law is it? However it is the main thing that is taught at the US Naval Academy. THey also teach law at the US Naval Academy.
It’s not that it is bad to be a lawyer. Who would sponsor Judge Judy if it weren’t for the ambulance chasers? I just don’t want someone with the morals of a lawyer to be the president.
By Gale
September 16, 2008 4:53 PM | Link to this
Um, the congress does not control the Federal Reserve either, Jack. They are independent.
By Hetché
September 16, 2008 4:58 PM | Link to this
Hey big frickin’ Joke. I only made one comment before you started blabbering. So you are not only a big frickin’ Joke, you are also a liar.
my, what short memories morons like you have………….
By Sunshine
September 16, 2008 5:07 PM | Link to this
Lets see what has the George W. Bush whitehouse done:
Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.—-CHECK
Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.—CHECK
Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate (RELIGIOUS) rights.—CHECK, oh and add to that amend the constitution!
Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism (CREATIONISM) and current Communist (RIGHT WING ANTI SCIENCE) propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control (YOU MEAN DESTROY) teachers’ associations. Put the party line in textbooks.—CHECK
Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policy making positions.—CHECK. FOX NEWS HAS THIS COVERED
Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures-CHECK. TALK RADIO, FAUX NEWS, and PAINTING ALL MEDIA AS LIBERAL.
Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.—CHECK. ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO TERRORISM.
Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the “common man.”—-CHECK. DOING AN ESPECIALLY GOOD JOB OF THIS IN THE 2000, 2004 and 2008 ELECTIONS.
Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special-interest groups should rise up and use [“]united force[“] to solve economic, political or social problems.—-CHECK. HOW MANY MORE KIDS CAN WE STIR UP WITH FALSE PATRIOTISM, SO WE CAN SEND THEM TO WAR!
WOW the people you believe in GTG, are about half way to completing the communist’s list!
By The Other Jack
September 16, 2008 5:09 PM | Link to this
Gale
The congress isn’t responsible for anythi\ng. Haven’t you been paying attention?
I apologize for the sarcasm, but I am tired of trying to be nice and getting the poison, arrogant and rude responses that don’t only claim that she knows everything about everything and offers unrelated elements that prove nothing. And then starts berating whomever dares to question her. What the hell is going on? Is the Palin thing really making liberals this crazy?
It’s a hell of a thing that liberals are facing. Look at Sunshine’s post about comparing the governor of Alaska with a ditsy actress. .If a Republican did that to a democrat there would not be enough adjectives to describe what a sexist bigot that Republican was. And it is a daily thing.
What bothers me is that I really thought most of the liberal women on this forum were actually good people that really cared about women and women’s issues. That’s certainly changed. All you care about is “The Party”. That’s disturbing.
I don’t expect you to vote for McCain or to support Palin. But the cheap, sexist crap that is being written by women that I once respected is any implication of how you guys really feel, then the democrats can have you. Just like they can have George Wallace and Robert Byrd.
By USinUK
September 17, 2008 8:08 AM | Link to this
there I go again. daring to mention anything economically to the great Khan
woohoo!!! I’m the Chakha Khan of the board!!
I’m every woman, its all in me / Anything you want done, baby / I’ll do it naturally / I’m every woman, its all in me / I can read your thoughts right now / Every one from a to z
Gale that means you’re … Donna Summer … and Mara can be Gloria Gaynor!! woohoo!!!
By Gandalf, the Grey
September 17, 2008 8:18 AM | Link to this
Sunshine? What kinda (DUMBASS) comments are those? You are showing that indeed, not smarter as 5th grader. Even that oldest of 8th graders wouldn’t make (DUMBASS) comments like that. I would go down each one, but I don’t see the point. See that list was the Communist Goals of 1963.
You are too stupid to see a threat when it stares you in the face. Obama is a threat to US sovreignty. He is a self proclaimed “Citizen of the World”. Replace that with Communist and you are more in line with what he wants. Being neigborly? What a crock! Sunshine just STFU you (DUNBASS). I don’t have time for stupid people.
By Gandalf, the Grey
September 17, 2008 8:27 AM | Link to this
Sunshine is in the immortal words of Chevy Chase “an ignorant slut”, don’t let her rile you. She is just dumber than a bag of hammers, and I am sure she’s as cute as baboon’s smelly a*.
By Gale
September 17, 2008 8:28 AM | Link to this
Jack, You are disgusted by the sexist comments aimed at Palin? Where was your outrage at the barbs aimed at Hillary Clinton? Thisnk that wasn’t sexism? Wrong, dead wrong.
By USinUK
September 17, 2008 8:37 AM | Link to this
Truth -
You know … it’s not so much that you’re wrong that is so offensive, it’s that it would take you all of 60-90 seconds to go online and look things up BEFORE you post. God knows, I don’t think I know everything, but I sure as hell check the facts before I post something.
Case in point: You are aware that the extreme lowering of interest rates started during Clinton
The Federal Reserve.
1) They are a completely independent body - members are nominated by the president and confirmed by the Congress, but otherwise, they are completely independent of politics when setting monetary policy. (Congress and the Administration set fiscal policy, the Fed does monetary policy)
2) When Clinton took office, the Greenspan had already cut the Fed Funds target rate to 3%, which was it’s lowest point during all of the Clinton Administration. During Clinton’s tenure, Greenspan raised it to a high of 6% in 1995, then proceeded to cut it to 5.5% which is where it was when Bush took office.
3) During Bush’s tenure, Greenspan lowered the rate to a low of 1% in the aftermath of 9/11. As the economy grew, the rate rose to a high of 5.25%. It currently sits at 2%.
The Fed, itself, has 2 monetary responsibilities - keep a grip on inflation and keep the economy runnning. The Fed Funds rate is their primary tool for both - a lower rate increases liquidity in the marketplace, stimulating the economy. When the economy gets a little TOO stimulated, inflation rises and the rate needs to increase.
I’ll spare you info on inflation and unemployment and what happened in the 1970s, but you might find this article interesting - it’s about the guy who won the Nobel Prize for economics in 2006. He took what was economic “gospel” (the Phillips curve) and built on it. Sounds boring, but is really interesting stuff:
http://www. usatoday. com/ money/world/2006-10-09-nobel-economics_x.htm
oh. and for the record, I’m against gas adding to the federal gas tax or any windfall taxes - which I’ve stated in the past.
By Copyleft
September 17, 2008 8:38 AM | Link to this
What really bothers you, TOJ, is realizing that “good women” are liberal women at the same time… and that can’t happen in your warped little mind.
By Gale
September 17, 2008 8:39 AM | Link to this
“AIG will pay a high rate of interest for the two-year loan and the US Government will have the right to stop payments of dividends to shareholders.”
What’cha think, USinUK, will they actually stop dividend payments? I have been waiting for stockholders to accept the painful side of investing in high risk. I think that is the only way to curtail risky behavior from the managers.
By Sunshine
September 17, 2008 8:55 AM | Link to this
Gandolf-the name calling is childish. You really should try to express your opinion with out so many nonsensical words that mean nothing. Its a shame that your vocabulary is so limited that you can not come up with something more creative. And as to your post about the communist, I just found it a bit frightening that the Bush administration has so many of the same goals 40 years later, and that they are succeeding in obtaining those goals. So my question to you is are you really so deep into the Kool-aid that you are unable to see the damage caused to this country, and its reputation, by the current Bush Doctrine? Do you even read the news?
By Gandalf, the Grey
September 17, 2008 8:56 AM | Link to this
Copyleft, what really bothers me is that you’re a (DUMBASS) and post (DUMBASS) comments all the time. I would tell you to STFU, but your too stupid to understand that, now run along and play and let grown ups talk. Idiots like you should be seen and not heard. (YOU (DUMBASS)!!!)
By USinUK
September 17, 2008 8:57 AM | Link to this
Gale -
What’cha think, USinUK, will they actually stop dividend payments? I have been waiting for stockholders to accept the painful side of investing in high risk. I think that is the only way to curtail risky behavior from the managers.
what I think??? well, let’s see … over the last few months, the government has bought:
Bear Stearns, and so now owns a piece of the investment business
Fannie and Freddie, and so now owns a HUGE piece of the mortgage business
AIG, and so now owns the largest insurer in the market
welcome to the largest socialist economy outside of China.
As for what’s going to happen, I think they’ll just sell it off for parts. And, as with Fannie and Freddie, the stock holders will get the screw while bond holders will be relatively okay.
As I said earlier, I never want to hear the GOP talk about “moral hazard” or the “free market” ever. again.
By USinUK
September 17, 2008 9:08 AM | Link to this
sunshine …
don’t feed the troll …
By Gale
September 17, 2008 9:10 AM | Link to this
I was just reading comments elsewhere about the DNC platform committee member announcing her support for McCain. What I found so disturbing was the number of people going off about what real democrats should be doing. That’s the problem with the system. There really is no real democrat, nor real republican; but I think particularly Dem. It is the reason the democrats can’t get together to get things done in congress. (That and the very slim majority.) It seems easier for republicans to get their fellow congressmen to vote the party line. But, half of the electorate doesn’t adhere to a defined party line. Nix that. Most of the electorate does not follow a set guideline for what they will do. They follow their own feelings and conscience. I suppose it is also why the electorate is so easily manipulated in the reality show we call an election.
By Sunshine
September 17, 2008 9:13 AM | Link to this
Look at Sunshine’s post about comparing the governor of Alaska with a ditsy actress. .If a Republican did that to a democrat there would not be enough adjectives to describe what a sexist bigot that Republican was
TOJ-Its not sexist to put down the qualifications of ONE woman. It is sexist to pick someone UNQUALIFIED, just because she IS a woman. Sarah Palin is the equivalent of the dolls with the string you pull and then she says a line from her acceptance speech, over and over and over and over. “I told congress, thanks but no thanks”, “I told congress, thanks but no thanks”, “I told congress, thanks but no thanks” blah blah blah. She was sequestered in a hotel room for four days given a speech written for her and she learned her lines very well, she is going everywhere repeating them. That is what an Actress does, not a politician that is called on to make their own decisions! She has given ONE interview since her nomination and is either terrified or prohibited from speaking off the cuff to the press.
At least Obama went through a national campaign and was voted on by millions of people, Sarah Palin was picked out of John McCain’s sorry attempt to appeal to the Far FAR Right, and to prey on people that want to pick a candidate on looks and genitalia rather than having to think for themselves, get educated, and vote on the issues. Because sadly for a lot of Americans it is less taxing to vote for someone you think you could “have a beer with” then to begin to contemplate who would be the best leader of the free world.
By Gale
September 17, 2008 9:20 AM | Link to this
welcome to the largest socialist economy outside of China.
Yes, that’s what I’ve been thinking. It’s pretty scarey.
By LaughoftheWeek
September 17, 2008 9:29 AM | Link to this
Laugh of the Week is not even here at ajc’s w-2-w; go to the drudge report to read about Gov. Palin’s blessing by a Kenyan witch hunter. middle column, 1/2 way down.
By Sunshine
September 17, 2008 9:43 AM | Link to this
I guess yesterday when I posted this it got deleted because of the link I included. And USinUK, I promise, I will stop feeding the troll after this, its just that I hate liars!
GTG- you should be careful of the sources you use to prove your points, or you should at least read the article you use. But that might require you to think, and that might hurt in your case. The article from Kristof, has been restored on the NYTimes website and is quite favorable to Mr. Obama:
“The conventional wisdom about Barack Obama is that he’s smart and charismatic but so inexperienced that we should feel jittery about him in the Oval Office.
But that view is myopic. In some respects, Mr. Obama is far more experienced than other presidential candidates.
His experience as an antipoverty organizer in Chicago, for example, gives him a deep grasp of a crucial 21st-century challenge — poverty in America — that almost all politicians lack. He says that grass-roots experience helps explain why he favors not only government spending programs, like early childhood education, but also cultural initiatives, like efforts to promote responsible fatherhood.
In foreign policy as well, Mr. Obama would bring to the White House an important experience that most other candidates lack: he has actually lived abroad. He spent four years as a child in Indonesia and attended schools in the Indonesian language, which he still speaks.”…..
….”Our biggest mistake since World War II has been a lack of sensitivity to other people’s nationalism, from Vietnam to Iraq. Perhaps as a result of his background, Mr. Obama has been unusually sensitive to such issues and to the need to project respect rather than arrogance. He has consistently shown great instincts.” (just Google “Obama: Man of the World ” Kristof, NYTimes to find the article, since I can’t link to it apparently)
I think Myopic is a very good word to describe your views GTG. Maybe some one with a back ground broader than Crawford, TX, or Wasilla, AK or even the 30 years in Washington would be a good Change in the Whitehouse!
By USinUK
September 17, 2008 9:43 AM | Link to this
Gale -
Yes, that’s what I’ve been thinking. It’s pretty scarey.
I understand why they gov’t is doing it - but I also know that, had a Democratic administration done the same … my god … can you imagine what we’d be hearing on talk radio? what the headlines on Drudge would be? they heyday Rush et al would be making on the radio??
By The Other Jack
September 17, 2008 9:47 AM | Link to this
Gale
Jack, You are disgusted by the sexist comments aimed at Palin? Where was your outrage at the barbs aimed at Hillary Clinton? Thisnk that wasn’t sexism? Wrong, dead wrong.
I thought it was very wrong, but look at who was doing it. It was your party, not mine. The fact that Democrats didn’t take a strong stance against this treatment is troubling at best. Republ;icans aren’t going to stand for it and it is showing in the polls. Some demographics have changed as much as 20-25% and that is huge.
But more importantly, look at the Republican’s treatment of Obama. Who on here has attacked him because of his race? I think he is an empty box. GTG has problems with his denial of a Muslim upbringing. But other than paranoid charges of “code words” there have been nothing.
Your party looks like sexist bigots. I know you guys are blowing it off, but people are changing their minds.
By USinUK
September 17, 2008 9:51 AM | Link to this
sunshine …
And USinUK, I promise, I will stop feeding the troll after this, its just that I hate liars!
there’s a world of difference between liars and the insane.
just sayin’
By The Other Jack
September 17, 2008 9:52 AM | Link to this
USinUK
You know … it’s not so much that you’re wrong that is so offensive, it’s that it would take you all of 60-90 seconds to go online and look things up BEFORE you post. God knows, I don’t think I know everything, but I sure as hell check the facts before I post something.
I don’t have a problem with you presenting facts, even though you don’t always present facts. What you present are statements that you back up by claiming that because of your work, your conclusions are un-approachable. And now lately, you always add some insulting dig.
By The Other Jack
September 17, 2008 9:56 AM | Link to this
Copyleft
What really bothers you, TOJ, is realizing that “good women” are liberal women at the same time… and that can’t happen in your warped little mind.
Don’t pretend to know me. The only thing I know about you is that you are a religious bigot and that is all I care to know about you.
By Gandalf, the Grey
September 17, 2008 9:58 AM | Link to this
Sunshine, you are such a (DUMBASS)! Your comments make no sense. You are so stupid I bet you have trouble finding people that understand you. Stupid is the word I use to describe your views. You American hating (DUMBASS)! How much to do you get from WIC and Welfare? Make sure and cash in your dole.
Poverty in America? This is almost exclusively the result of Single Family Homes. I wish you would just go away you ignorant slut.
By Sunshine
September 17, 2008 10:00 AM | Link to this
USinUK,
had a Democratic administration done the same … my god … can you imagine what we’d be hearing on talk radio
You couldn’t be more right! It is such a farce that the left is being painted, IN THIS ELECTION, in the middle of all of this as the fiscally irresponsible party. It is such a myth!
Oh and also that the GOP has the market cornered on morality and values! Please! Imagine if it was Mr. Obama’s daughter, on stage, pregnant with her baby-daddy-boyfriend, to a cheering DNC! (I know this has already been said, but the absurdity of the hypocrisy just keeps me thinking about it)
Another point someone raised, it is harsh but it speaks to a social problem that is a reality and that all of this abstinence only education is ignoring. Would the GOP have been cheering, and would have the presidential nominee be shaking their hand and giving the couple a hug if Bristol had gotten AIDS instead of Pregnant?
By Gandalf, the Grey
September 17, 2008 10:03 AM | Link to this
Sunshine: you hate liars? then you must hate yourself! STFU YIS!
By USinUK
September 17, 2008 10:05 AM | Link to this
Truth -
What you present are statements that you back up by claiming that because of your work, your conclusions are un-approachable
sorry, but that’s a load of bollocks - I have never said that I’m right/you’re wrong because of what I do. I’ve said that, if you’re going to argue economics, then you’d better bring more than an opinion, you’d better bring data - because that’s what I’m going to use.
believe me, I’m not going to be up for a Nobel Prize for Economics anytime soon - but that doesn’t mean that I’m going to let factually incorrect statements stand unchallenged - ESPECIALLY when the data is so easy to access (the Fed stats are online if you would only take a moment to look for it)
By The Other Jack
September 17, 2008 10:13 AM | Link to this
Sunshine
TOJ-Its not sexist to put down the qualifications of ONE woman.
You were not talking about her qualifications. You were comparing her to a clueless actress. That’s sexist. The problem is that I can’t give you a comparison to Obama being compared to a ditsy actor because men can have the IQ of a gnat, but if they are a “hunk” they are always considered smart. Women are not.
“It is sexist to pick someone UNQUALIFIED, just because she IS a woman.”
If you want to discuss her qualifications compared to Obama, let’s do it. but that’s not what is happening. You are accusing her of being a Token (just because she IS a woman). So how about I start saying that Obama is a token. Do you think I just might be called a racist for that? So what should we call you for calling Palin a token?
Sarah Palin is the equivalent of the dolls with the string you pull and then she says a line from her acceptance speech, over and over and over and over. “I told congress, thanks but no thanks”, “I told congress, thanks but no thanks”, “I told congress, thanks but no thanks” blah blah blah.
Do you understand that she is a politician? Do you understand that every politician since George Washington has repeated the same talking points over and over and over? So why is she not allowed to do what every man has been able to do?
She was sequestered in a hotel room for four days given a speech written for her and she learned her lines very well, she is going everywhere repeating them. That is what an Actress does, not a politician
WHAT?!?!? What fantasy world are you living in? Do you think Obama has a new speech for every appearance?
She has given ONE interview since her nomination and is either terrified or prohibited from speaking off the cuff to the press.
And look at the condescension and the twisting of her words that happened? She will give interviews, but on her schedule.
At least Obama went through a national campaign and was voted on by millions of people, Sarah Palin was picked out of John McCain’s sorry attempt to appeal to the Far FAR Right, and to prey on people that want to pick a candidate on looks and genitalia rather than having to think for themselves,
looks and genitalia huh? Are you really this sexist?
get educated, and vote on the issues.
There it is. I’m a Republican so I can’t be educated. Do you have an original thought?
Because sadly for a lot of Americans it is less taxing to vote for someone you think you could “have a beer with” then to begin to contemplate who would be the best leader of the free world.
Actually Obama and Biden would be the guys that would probably be seen having a beer, but certainly not anywhere that I would be. I can’t afford that kind of beer.
By The Other Jack
September 17, 2008 10:17 AM | Link to this
USinUK
Funny thing about Freddie Mac. they have been pumping money into campaigns and guess who has gotten the second largest amount of campaign finance bucks? Obama
But, of course Congress is blameless for the problems we are now having, right? .
By Gandalf, the Grey
September 17, 2008 10:18 AM | Link to this
Sunshine: You posts are dumb and dumber! No they are simply dumber! The little girl got preggers and is having the baby? Is that so horrible to you? Why is it any of you business? Is it simply because your a lazy, ignorant slut who is waiting for her welfare check to feed her several babies of undetermined fathers? I hope your keyboard shorts out so you can no longer post. You (DUMBASS). OH, EXPAT, hope you’re having fun in Jolly old England.
By The Other Jack
September 17, 2008 10:22 AM | Link to this
USinUk
I now that is what you like to claim, but it just isn’t true, most of the time. What facts were you presenting when you gave the definitions of socialism and capitalism and claimed that I needed to learn the definitions, which addressed NOTHING we were talking about. You are MUCH more concerned with slamming people than presenting your facts.
By USinUK
September 17, 2008 10:40 AM | Link to this
TOJ -
What facts were you presenting when you gave the definitions of socialism and capitalism and claimed that I needed to learn the definitions, which addressed NOTHING we were talking about.
that you were completely misusing the terms: “A capitalistic government cannot step in and fix things? What a complete bunch of socialistic crap.” (your statement)
as I stated above, what the US gov’t has done over the last few months with the buy-outs of BS, AIG and Fannie/Freddie is become the largest socialist gov’t outside of China. a capitalist government would let the market correct itself.
and that isn’t opinion, that’s textbook definition of capitalism and socialism.
You are MUCH more concerned with slamming people than presenting your facts.
Wrong on both counts - I’m much more concerned with correcting misstatements - popping the hot-air-balloon of pomposity is just a bonus.
By Gale
September 17, 2008 10:46 AM | Link to this
Jack, but look at who was doing it. It was your party, not mine. You are partly right. I remember the sexist barbs flung at Hillary as being from both sides of the aisle.
Sunshine, grass-roots experience of Obama. If he has so much understanding of grass roots America, why would he complain that working class people who don’t buy into his rhetoric are xenophobic people clinging to guns and religion. It does not sound like a deep understanding to me.
By Back Atcha
September 17, 2008 10:48 AM | Link to this
Discussing issues or qualifications with people who DON’T CARE about them is as pointless as trying to discuss literature with an 8-yr-old in a video game store. He’s already decided what he wants. “THAT ONE! WANT THAT ONE!” No amount of reasoning or logic about the merits of reading over video gaming will change that, nor will any amount of data demonstrating that 30% of the chosen game’s users become felons or sociopaths. You can explain the importance of literacy and complex thinking, and its benefits to the child’s future happiness and earning potential until you’re blue in the face. He’s made up his mind based on what he saw on TV, what looks good, and what his friend says is cool.
Discussing the relative qualifications of, or FACTS about Sarah Palin is just as pointless. “WANT THAT ONE!” stomp! stomp! “THAT ONE!”
By BlackKettle
September 17, 2008 10:54 AM | Link to this
You are MUCH more concerned with slamming people than presenting your facts.
another black/kettle thing?
By USinUK
September 17, 2008 11:02 AM | Link to this
Gale -
If he has so much understanding of grass roots America, why would he complain that working class people who don’t buy into his rhetoric are xenophobic people clinging to guns and religion
ask yourself, though … was he wrong? what happens to towns when the mill / factory / main source of jobs ?? people turn to the church for help, for answers, for the same community they had when they were employed.
as for the xenophobia - Obama didn’t say anything about xenophobia … but while we’re on the subject, I don’t think it’s fear/hatred of the foreign when people say “my job is now in India / China / Mexico”? their ticked off (or bitter, if you will) that their job is now being done by someone else, pure and simple.
so, maybe he could have put it better, but that doesn’t mean that he’s wrong … don’t you think?
By Sunshine
September 17, 2008 11:02 AM | Link to this
TOJ-You were not talking about her qualifications. I have been talking about her qualifications, go back one week and read my posts. She is less qualified than any VP nod in the last 32 years:
ABC News’ Lisa Chinn reports: During her interview with ABC News’ Charlie Gibson Thursday Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin attempted to deflect a question about the fact she has never met a foreign head of state by saying that “many” other vice presidential nominees in history hadn’t met a head of state either.
However Palin was mistaken, at least where recent history is concerned.
Every vice president over the last 30 years had met a foreign head of state before being elected.
“Have you ever met a foreign head of state?” Gibson asked Palin Thursday.
“I have not,” Palin said, “and I think if you go back in history and if you ask that question of many vice presidents, they may have the same answer that I just gave you.”
However Palin, who obtained her first passport two years ago, would in fact be the first vice president in 32 years who hadn’t met a foreign head of state, if she were elected.”
UNQUALIFIED!
If you want to discuss her qualifications compared to Obama, let’s do it.—Please do, I welcome it! Please site your source when you do!
So how about I start saying that Obama is a token.—Please read my last post, he went through a national campaign. Where all but 2 of the states had a primary and the ablity to vote for him or against him. Mrs. Palin has not had that experience or that type of availability to be questioned by the American people or other candidates.
Do you understand that every politician since George Washington has repeated the same talking points over and over and over?—I do not believe that the woman, this one woman, has the ability to speak her mind clearly and eloquently on the issues. I believe many woman, and many politicians, have the ability to take talking points and synthesize them into a coherent answer to direct questions. Mrs. Palin had not proven this ability to anyone. At least not in any interview I have seen. I do believe that Mr. Obama writes most of his own speeches:
“The first draft wasn’t finished until last week, and as of Wednesday his staff couldn’t say how long the speech was running or when it might be finished. The looming deadline has led to a lot of late nights and bleary-eyed mornings for Obama, who instead of practicing delivery has been focused on the writing, even during his walk-through of Invesco Field Wednesday night….Obama takes an unusually hands-on approach to his speech writing, more so than most politicians.” How Obama Writes His Speeches By Jay Newton-Small / Denver Thursday, Aug. 28, 2008 TIME.com
Not so for Mrs. Palin, and she certainly has not changed one word of her lines even when every major news outlet including Fox News has proven that she approved of that “Bridge to Nowhere” then didn’t, then kept the money for it.
And look at the condescension and the twisting of her words that happened?—You know what? Its tough to run for national office, if you aren’t up for it, don’t accept the offer, but don’t cower and say the big bad media is being mean to me! Oh yeah, McCain has perfected this line all summer. Her image is that she is “Tough” but not tough enough to do a press junket? Come on!
*to prey on people that want to pick a candidate on looks and genitalia rather than having to think for themselves,
looks and genitalia huh? Are you really this sexist?*—Its not sexist to say that if you are a Hillary supporter and believe in the issues she was running on, and then you switch your vote to Mrs. Palin BECAUSE she is a woman that you are uneducated on Mrs. Clinton’s and Mrs. Palins views. There are also a lot of male Republicans that are calling her “hot” and a “Babe”. Just because she is a woman is not a reason to vote for her. And I would say the same for Mr. Obama and his race.
There it is. I’m a Republican so I can’t be educated.—I never said that, nor was I referring to Republicans in general. Again all this sensitivity for and from the Right! I am specifically speaking of voters who would have voted for Mrs. Clinton and are now voting for Mrs. Palin because she is a woman, or they “like her”, or they think she is “spunky”. That is a poor decision making process in my opinion!
By The Other Jack
September 17, 2008 11:19 AM | Link to this
USinUK
as I stated above, what the US gov’t has done over the last few months with the buy-outs of BS, AIG and Fannie/Freddie is become the largest socialist gov’t outside of China. a capitalist government would let the market correct itself.
But that’s just semantics. A capitalistic government did step in.
By USinUK
September 17, 2008 11:24 AM | Link to this
Sunshine -
don’t know if you read David Brooks this week, but even he is saying that Palin is unqualified:
In the current Weekly Standard, Steven Hayward argues that the nation’s founders wanted uncertified citizens to hold the highest offices in the land. They did not believe in a separate class of professional executives. They wanted rough and rooted people like Palin.
I would have more sympathy for this view if I hadn’t just lived through the last eight years. For if the Bush administration was anything, it was the anti-establishment attitude put into executive practice.
And the problem with this attitude is that, especially in his first term, it made Bush inept at governance. It turns out that governance, the creation and execution of policy, is hard. It requires acquired skills. Most of all, it requires prudence.
What is prudence? It is the ability to grasp the unique pattern of a specific situation. It is the ability to absorb the vast flow of information and still discern the essential current of events — the things that go together and the things that will never go together. It is the ability to engage in complex deliberations and feel which arguments have the most weight.
How is prudence acquired? Through experience. The prudent leader possesses a repertoire of events, through personal involvement or the study of history, and can apply those models to current circumstances to judge what is important and what is not, who can be persuaded and who can’t, what has worked and what hasn’t.
Experienced leaders can certainly blunder if their minds have rigidified (see: Rumsfeld, Donald), but the records of leaders without long experience and prudence is not good. As George Will pointed out, the founders used the word “experience” 91 times in the Federalist Papers. Democracy is not average people selecting average leaders. It is average people with the wisdom to select the best prepared.
Sarah Palin has many virtues. If you wanted someone to destroy a corrupt establishment, she’d be your woman. But the constructive act of governance is another matter. She has not been engaged in national issues, does not have a repertoire of historic patterns and, like President Bush, she seems to compensate for her lack of experience with brashness and excessive decisiveness.
The idea that “the people” will take on and destroy “the establishment” is a utopian fantasy that corrupted the left before it corrupted the right. Surely the response to the current crisis of authority is not to throw away standards of experience and prudence, but to select leaders who have those qualities but not the smug condescension that has so marked the reaction to the Palin nomination in the first place.
and, as if David Brooks wasn’t enough … even Charles Krauthammer says she’s not qualified:
Which suggested McCain’s strategy: Make this a referendum on Obama, surely the least experienced, least qualified, least prepared presidential nominee in living memory.
Palin fatally undermines this entire line of attack. This is through no fault of her own. It is simply a function of her rookie status. The vice president’s only constitutional duty of any significance is to become president at a moment’s notice. Palin is not ready. Nor is Obama. But with Palin, the case against Obama evaporates.
By Gandalf, the Grey
September 17, 2008 11:25 AM | Link to this
Sunshy: You (DUMBASS)! There are no qualifications required for the job of VP other than, NATURAL BORN CITIZEN OF THE UNITED STATES, OVER 35. SO STFU, you ignorant slut.
By USinUK
September 17, 2008 11:29 AM | Link to this
TOJ -
A capitalistic government did step in.
what do you call a government that owns the largest investment firm, the largest mortgage companies and the largest insurance company??
I’ll give you a hint: it isn’t capitalist. (and it sure as hell isn’t a “free market”)
and, no, that isn’t semantics.
By Gandalf, the Grey
September 17, 2008 11:31 AM | Link to this
Sinshine you are a closed minded little harlet that needs to STFU, Please comply as you are begining to P** me off.
By Gandalf, the Grey
September 17, 2008 11:31 AM | Link to this
Sinshine you are a closed minded little harlet that needs to STFU, Please comply as you are begining to P** me off.
By Gale
September 17, 2008 11:36 AM | Link to this
USinUK, “xenophobia” ok, perhaps wrong word. I mean not like me. He definitely could have put it better, and I do think he was wrong. He was using the same mind set of many of his followers. You don’t agree with me, so you are wrong-headed. Ok, so we all do that from time to time. Still, all of are not purporting to have deep understanding of the working class.
TOJ, the one criticism I would make of your posts is that you seem to not take criticism well. I have been accused of this failing in the past and I do try to listen to criticism and decide if it is valid before I decide the individual is wrong or not. Often, criticism leads to a discussion and better understanding on both sides of the issue. I have found USinUK to be pretty reasonable. Maybe because we have some opinions in common. I don’t know. I think I have some opinions in common with others on the board, and obviously I disagree with others, and clearly, the level of agreement varies by topic.
My point is; chill a bit.
By Gale
September 17, 2008 11:41 AM | Link to this
Troll GtG, you will be allowed out from under the bridge when you discover where you put your civil tone.
By Sunshine
September 17, 2008 11:42 AM | Link to this
Hi Gale! First let me say that I appreciate you posts on this blog, I think they are insightful and balanced and usually open up good points! It is good to have someone so ‘down the middle’. I know that I tend to be too far leaning in my POV sometimes and need to be brought back to center.
Sunshine, grass-roots experience of Obama. If he has so much understanding of grass roots America, why would he complain that working class people who don’t buy into his rhetoric are xenophobic people clinging to guns and religion. It does not sound like a deep understanding to me.
Let me say first, those aren’t my words they are from the Gentleman in the NY times from the article that GTG posted.
Second, as much as I will get flamed for this, and as un-PC as it is, I agree with his actual statement. (now this is the direct quote, and its from Fox News).
*“Our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there’s not evidence of that in their daily lives,” he said. “You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing’s replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are going to regenerate and they have not….
And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”* (elections.foxnews.com/2008/04/11/obama-draws-fire-for-comments-on-small-town-america/)
I do believe you picked the perfect word for the people he was describing: xenophobic.
Dictionary.com say: xenophobic - suffering from xenophobia; having abnormal fear or hatred of the strange or foreign.
I think that American politics, especially since 911 has been driven by fear, and specially fear of the strange and foreign. And don’t be fooled, the people who are using fear as a tactic know what they are doing. It is one of humanity’s basest emotions. I personally feel(see personal, just my opinion), that if you need to keep a gun in your home and it is any thing other than used for hunting and eating the animals you hunt, that you own that gun out of fear. Now, I am not saying there is anything wrong with being afraid but I think it is silly to deny that the firearm in your home is not to gaurd against what you are fearful of. What was the Second amendment written for? It gives us the right to bear arms. Against what? Some who would over throw our government, some one who would take our property, take our family, take our life? If you are wanting to protect those things you have a fear of someone taking them away, maybe a rational fear, but it is fear. Guns make people feel safe, it takes away some of their fear. I would say the same is true for religion. It makes people feel like they have an answer for all those unanswered questions. It makes them less scared of dying. It gives them less fear.
911 caused a lot of fear, and the Republicans have played upon this fear specifically. Anti-immigration is fear you will lose your job or have to pay for someone you don’t think you shouldn’t be paying for. Don’t get me started on the fear of Same-sex Marriage. It all comes down to fear. He was right, if the Democrats what to get elected this year they need to “get people persuaded that we can make progress when there’s not evidence of that in their daily lives” and we need to get past the fears that they have so that we can fix the problems with jobs and the economy.
By The Other Jack
September 17, 2008 11:50 AM | Link to this
Sunshine
TOJ-You were not talking about her qualifications. I have been talking about her qualifications, go back one week and read my posts.
I just don’t have time to read all the posts. I usually read the ones directed at me.
ABC News’ Lisa Chinn reports: During her interview with ABC News’ Charlie Gibson Thursday Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin attempted to deflect a question about the fact she has never met a foreign head of state by saying that “many” other vice presidential nominees in history hadn’t met a head of state either. However Palin was mistaken, at least where recent history is concerned. Every vice president over the last 30 years had met a foreign head of state before being elected. “Have you ever met a foreign head of state?” Gibson asked Palin Thursday.“I have not,” Palin said, “and I think if you go back in history and if you ask that question of many vice presidents, they may have the same answer that I just gave you.” However Palin, who obtained her first passport two years ago, would in fact be the first vice president in 32 years who hadn’t met a foreign head of state, if she were elected.” UNQUALIFIED!
That’s a hell of a bold stance. Do you really believe that Sarah Palin is going to have a hard time meeting ANYONE? This elitist idea that you have to belong to the good old boys club is exactly what is wrong with Washington. It is what Obama was railing against until the Republicans got someone that was REALLY on the outside of the beltway.
Please do, I welcome it! Please site your source when you do!
I haven’t seen you site a source yet.
Please read my last post, he went through a national campaign. Where all but 2 of the states had a primary and the ablity to vote for him or against him.
And most people voted against him. He did not win the popular vote.
Mrs. Palin has not had that experience or that type of availability to be questioned by the American people or other candidates.
So? The media is looking under every crack. We will know far too much about her before Nov. Look at what you are against her for. Should she stay at home and raise her kids like a good little woman and get these big ideas out of her empty, pretty little head? I think that is the only thing you haven’t said.
I do not believe that the woman, this one woman, has the ability to speak her mind clearly and eloquently on the issues.
Really? So … she was elected governor of Alaska by not speaking her mind? You are making lots of claims that I can find on any liberal blog, but NONE of them are holding water. Maybe you should take a step back and think of her as being a man. Then look at what “he” has done and make your judgment then.
I believe many woman, and many politicians, have the ability to take talking points and synthesize them into a coherent answer to direct questions. Mrs. Palin had not proven this ability to anyone. At least not in any interview I have seen.
She has done one interview.
I do believe that Mr. Obama writes most of his own speehes:
Obama takes an unusually hands-on approach to his speech writing, more so than most politicians.
Hands on approach means that he makes himself available to his speech writers. Hitler did the same thing. Obama, Hitler, Pol Pot, Saddam Hussien, David Duke, George Wallace. all were great speech makers. They do (did) pay close attention to their craft. The question I have for you is: how does that qualify him to be president? He talks pretty so let’s let him rule the world? We have heard that before. many times and it never turned out good.
Not so for Mrs. Palin, and she certainly has not changed one word of her lines even when every major news outlet including Fox News has proven that she approved of that “Bridge to Nowhere” then didn’t, then kept the money for it.
Somebody get a rope!!! It was revealed this morning that Freddie Mac had donated more money to the Obama campaign than all but one politician. Bridge to no where? We are talking about the collapse of the economy because this Congress did nothing for two years and was apparently paid very well for it.
You know what? Its tough to run for national office, if you aren’t up for it, don’t accept the offer, but don’t cower and say the big bad media is being mean to me! Oh yeah, McCain has perfected this line all summer. Her image is that she is “Tough” but not tough enough to do a press junket? Come on!
Reagan controlled the press very well. He did a pretty good job, anyway. I like the fact that the liberal press hates her. It makes them look like the desperate people that they are.
Its not sexist to say that if you are a Hillary supporter and believe in the issues she was running on, and then you switch your vote to Mrs. Palin BECAUSE she is a woman that you are uneducated on Mrs. Clinton’s and Mrs. Palins views. There are also a lot of male Republicans that are calling her “hot” and a “Babe”. Just because she is a woman is not a reason to vote for her. And I would say the same for Mr. Obama and his race.
Yes it is. It is sexist to list her accomplishments as being pretty and a woman and ignoring everything she has accomplished. In fact, I couldn’t think of anything more sexist.
I never said that, nor was I referring to Republicans in general. Again all this sensitivity for and from the Right! I am specifically speaking of voters who would have voted for Mrs. Clinton and are now voting for Mrs. Palin because she is a woman, or they “like her”, or they think she is “spunky”. That is a poor decision making process in my opinion!
A lot of middle voters. They can make any decision they want. African Americans are anti-abortion, pro-Christianity as a rule, but who do you think they will vote for? This is America. You can vote for whomever you want. I think you are making a horrible mistake for choosing Obama. If this country is exposed to four years of an unbridled liberal Congress, expect gas prices and inflation to skyrocket. Obama will never stand up to the Democrats in Congress. So you are no better than they are. If the “woman” issue keeps liberals from running our country into the ground, then viva-la fem.
By Gandalf, the Grey
September 17, 2008 11:52 AM | Link to this
What is someone living in England and worrying about the good old USA? A DUMBASS? It appears that way. Worry about what is happening on your little rock in the pond. You silly stupid twit.
By Sunshine
September 17, 2008 11:58 AM | Link to this
Correction: you don’t think you shouldn’t be paying for=you don’t think you should be paying for.
By Gale
September 17, 2008 12:05 PM | Link to this
Sunshine, your point is well-taken. My concern about Obama is mainly that I doubt he can do what he says he wants to do. Yet, there are many in the electorate that believe what he says is what will happen. I wonder, if he is elected and we see what happens in a few years, will his followers be like little kids who cry, “you promised!” when mom only said “someday”.
To the example of a gun in the home; I have several. They are not handguns. I think a handgun is the dumbest “home defense” weapon there is. A baseball bat is safer. You may have the fear factor correctly pegged for gun ownership. In my case, it is partly because I used to shoot trap and skeet and my guns are worth too much to sell them at a pawn shop. I do think a shotgun is a much better home defense weapon. I don’t have any immediate fears. But I am somewhat comforted by the thought that I have some defense when the zombies come scratching at my door. Actually, the baseball bat would be better for the zombies too.
By Sunshine
September 17, 2008 12:05 PM | Link to this
You know TOJ, arguing with you is like arguing with someone who says the sky is green. You say “no its not, its blue, here are all the people who say its blue, and even some that say sometimes its red and orange, but it’s not green.” and TOJ says “Yes it is green.” Where do you go from there?
By USinUK
September 17, 2008 12:11 PM | Link to this
GtG —
don’t you read???
I’m Chakha Khan of the board!!
Chaka, chaka, chaka, chaka khan / Chaka khan, chaka khan, chaka khan / Chaka khan, let me rock you / Let me rock you, chaka khan / Let me rock you, that’s all i wanna do / Chaka khan, let me rock you / Let me rock you, chaka khan / Let me rock you, let me feel for you / Chaka khan let me tell you what i wanna do / Do you feel for me, the way i feel for you / Chaka khan let me tell you what i wanna do / I wanna love you, wanna hug you, wanna squeeze you too / Let me take you in my arms / Let me fill you with my charms, chaka / ‘cause you know that i’m the one to keep you warm / Chaka, i’ll make you more than just a physical dream / I wanna rock you, chaka / Baby, cause you make me wanna scream / Let me rock you, rock you
woowoo!!! (thanks, Truth !! I am so loving the new image … Chakha Khan is SUCH the goddess …)
By Gandalf, the Grey
September 17, 2008 12:14 PM | Link to this
ONCE again you miss every point SUNSHADE! ANTI Immigration? That’s stupid…Anti ILLEGAL IMMEGRATION? That isn’t. Illegals go home. Take your kids with you. DONE. SAME SEX MARRiage? DUMB! Marriage is one man/one woman and is protected for the sake of child bearing. (SEE MY EARLIER POST TO UNDERSTAND WHY THIS IS IMPORTANT). FEAR THAT COMMUNISTS ARE ACHIEVING THEIR STATE GOALS? You are such a (DUMBASS) SUNBEAM!
You should be afraid of Guns, as when NOBAMA takes them away from us, he can do whatever he wants. Why do I waste my breath? Why did we ever give woman the right to vote? It has been a uphill fight ever since that moment.
By JustaJew
September 17, 2008 12:24 PM | Link to this
911 caused a lot of fear, and the Republicans have played upon this fear specifically
And you better believe it’s still a big issue with a lot of Republicans today. According to Gallup, the second biggest issue for people voting who have a preference for McCain, is security. The first was experience. Again, according to Gallup, 27% of people with a preference for McCain prefer him because of his experience and 18% prefer him because they’re AFRAID the big bad Arabs will come and kill us. You know, I haven’t nothing but the deepest sympathy for those who lost their lives on 9/11 and for the family who lost loved ones but I’ll be damned if I’m going to vote for a guy because of what MIGHT happen (and I don’t believe we haven’t been attacked since 9/11 just because Bush wants to change America into a dictatorship). How the hell do you ever accomplish anything when your always worried about what might happen? Try explaining that to people like the Wright Brothers. Then again if they had not persued their dream of flying because they were afraid then we might not have had those airplanes for the terrorists to hijack in the first place…
By Sunshine
September 17, 2008 12:29 PM | Link to this
Ok here we go AGAIN, point by point, TOJ:
I just don’t have time to read all the posts. I usually read the ones directed at me—Lazy, and just plain untrue, you respond to a lot of post not directed at you.
This elitist idea that you have to belong to the good old boys club is exactly what is wrong with Washington—Oh really? Or Maybe, just maybe, some of us want a DEPARTURE from the ‘Good Ole’ Boy’ Redneck, cowboy mentality of the last eight years! Don’t really like him but his words fit here, like Dr. Phil says “hows that working out for you?” Ummmm, not so good.
I haven’t seen you site a source yet.-UMMMM do you even read what I write that you are arguing against? Almost every post I make sites a source, see the above post (ABC News’ Lisa Chinn reports:)
He did not win the popular vote.—So, neither did the current president? Apparently this is ok with you Republicans!
Look at what you are against her for.—I am against her because in her world Rapist get to be daddies too! I am against her because she believe my children should be taught that the world is only 5000 years old. I am against her because she didn’t see fit to change the fact that rape victims were being charged to collect evidence against their attackers. I am against her because she wants to write hate into the constitution by banning the civil rights of same-sex couples. I am against her because she believes in Abstinence only education that does not work, and leads to more teen pregnancies as is shown through her own family.
Hands on approach means that he makes himself available to his speech writers.—BullS—t, prove it, or read the article that I linked to.
Obama, Hitler, Pol Pot, Saddam Hussien, David Duke, George Wallace. all were great speech makers. They do (did) pay close attention to their craft.—WOW, now there is some well thought out hate speech! Really…wow, surprised with all your sensitivity to woman’s issues and the like that you would stoop so low.
The question I have for you is: how does that qualify him to be president? He talks pretty so let’s let him rule the world? We have heard that before. many times and it never turned out good-Hmmmm, lets see the last great speaker and diplomat we had in office, hmmmm who could that be, oh yeah, that Guy who balanced the budget and left the office with a federal deficit. The one that most people think of had one of the most successful economic presidency in modern history. But you say that “it never turned out good” there you go with that sky is green thing again!
By USinUK
September 17, 2008 12:45 PM | Link to this
Sunshine -
you missed a total softball:
He did not win the popular vote
YES, HE DID!
delegate count before the Dem Convention: Obama: 2,201 votes Clinton: 1,896
vote at the Dem Convention: Obama: 3,188 votes Clinton: 1,010 votes
even if all 220 who chose to not vote went to Clinton, Obama still won the popular vote.
I don’t know what kind of math Truth took, but where I went to school 2,201>1,896 … and 3,199 is DEFINITELY >1,010.
By Sunshine
September 17, 2008 12:47 PM | Link to this
To Continue TOJ:
You are making lots of claims that I can find on any liberal blog, but NONE of them are holding water. Maybe you should take a step back and think of her as being a man. Then look at what “he” has done and make your judgment then—BullS—t, you are making a lot of claims with no sources. I would feel EXACTLY the same way if a man was this hostile to woman’s issues!
She has done one interview-Exactly my point, she RUNS AWAY from the press every where she goes, no other politician ANYWHERE does this when actively trying to get elected, oh except when they are under investigation or in some sort of scandal, which I guess, she IS in the middle of.
It is sexist to list her accomplishments as being pretty and a woman and ignoring everything she has accomplished—She was CHOSEN because she is a woman. She was CHOSEN because she is also easy on the eyes and because McCain’s staff watched some tapes of her. He meet her ONCE. This is the guy who I am supposed to trust with some of the most important decisions in the world? It was a rash and un vetted choice, everyone knows that. Haven’t we had enough “GUT CHECK” politics for this country yet? Do you HONESTLY believe out of every Republican in the ENTIRE country she is the most qualified for this job? Do you even think she is in the top 100 or 1000, oh, yeah you do because you say she is, again show me one educated source that backs up your opinion.
By Gandalf, the Grey
September 17, 2008 12:47 PM | Link to this
Sunshine: YOU (DUMBASS)! Popular vote has nothing to do with a presidential election. We have an electoral college that does that. The depth and breadth of your stupidity amazes me to no end. Worry about McCain, not Palin. Oh, but then you liberal can’t cling to your homosexuality and hate. Focus on the Canidates..that is Obama, clearly a communist leaning liar, and McCAIN a hero of the highest order. Easy! McCain Palin! YEAH
Now sunshade, STFU!
By Sunshine
September 17, 2008 12:52 PM | Link to this
Gale-I think a handgun is the dumbest “home defense” weapon there is. A baseball bat is safer.-I agree, I have one under my bed! Thanks for the smile about the Zombies!
By Bruno
September 17, 2008 12:53 PM | Link to this
And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.
If Obama loses a close election, it may be due to this one statement. Why alienate a fairly large segment of the population simply to score a few brownie points with the San Fran crowd?? They’re all voting for Obama anyway.
I’m Chakha Khan of the board!!
I second that emotion!! You’re a hottie, USinUK!
By TheOtherJack-a-s-s
September 17, 2008 12:54 PM | Link to this
But the sky IS GREEN, it IS, it IS, it IS. (stamping foot)
By USinUK
September 17, 2008 12:59 PM | Link to this
oh … and for anyone interested in Obama’s “sinking like a stone in the polls” status:
http://www. gallup. com/ poll/110416/Gallup-Daily-Presidential-Contest-Remains-Dead-Heat.aspx
wow … still in a dead heat - but even closer than it was when Truth first said that Obama was plummeting in the polls, 47% McCain, 46% Obama (McCain -1 / Obama +1 from yesterday)
By Bruno
September 17, 2008 1:01 PM | Link to this
I’ll be damned if I’m going to vote for a guy because of what MIGHT happen (and I don’t believe we haven’t been attacked since 9/11 just because Bush wants to change America into a dictatorship). How the hell do you ever accomplish anything when your always worried about what might happen?
I understand your position well, JJ—Thank God you’re not actually in charge of anything in life.
TOJ—I was curious about your reference earlier to an Aretha Franklin song which mentions infidelity. I’m a pretty big Aretha fan (no pun intended), but can’t think of the song you are referencing. What is it?
By USinUK
September 17, 2008 1:03 PM | Link to this
Bruno!!!
Baby, baby, when i look at you / I get a warm feeling inside / There’s something about the things you do / That keeps me satisfied
I wouldn’t lie to you, baby / It’s mainly a physical thing / This feeling that i got for you, baby / Makes me wanna sing
Chorus: I feel for you / I think i love you / I feel for you / I think i love you
woowoo!!!
By Sunshine
September 17, 2008 1:03 PM | Link to this
USinUK-Its hard to keep ignoring the trolls, they keep calling elementary school names! LOL! But I think you’re right maybe if no one talks to them they will go away!
By Bruno
September 17, 2008 1:05 PM | Link to this
Speaking of great singers, are there any Stephanie Mills fans on board? Her rendition of Peabo Bryson’s “Feel the Fire” is soul-shaking.
By Gandalf, the Grey
September 17, 2008 1:07 PM | Link to this
I thought he was talking about Chaka’s father, Jengis, but you go on with your bad 80’s - 09’s self.
By Gandalf, the Grey
September 17, 2008 1:07 PM | Link to this
I thought he was talking about Chaka’s father, Jengis, but you go on with your bad 80’s - 09’s self.
By Bruno
September 17, 2008 1:11 PM | Link to this
Sing it, Stephanie:
Something that you told me sta-a-a-yed in my head
Al-l-l-l night long
You wanted me to love you
When you said softly
Reach out and touch me
My lo-o-o-ve is in your hands….
By Sunshine
September 17, 2008 1:20 PM | Link to this
If Obama loses a close election, it may be due to this one statement. Why alienate a fairly large segment of the population simply to score a few brownie points with the San Fran crowd??— Hi Bruno! I think you might be right, I think a lot of people were offended by it. I do think there is a lot of truth in these so called “gaffs” that candidates make though.
Obama may really feel that the statement is true, but I think there is also truth in McCain’s “Bomb, Bomb, Bomb Iran” ‘joke’. I think there is a lot to be gleaned from his comment to his wife: “At least I don’t plaster on the makeup like a trollop, you c-nt.” When she said his hair was thinning. (From The Real McCain by Cliff Schecter, which I don’t think has been refuted by the campaign)
By Gandalf, the Grey
September 17, 2008 1:22 PM | Link to this
Sunshine, you ignorant slut, STFU! I am not going anywhere. Ignore me if you want, but you can’t. You want to know why? Simple, it’s because you are an ignorant slut! hehe
By Bruno
September 17, 2008 1:22 PM | Link to this
USinUK-Its hard to keep ignoring the trolls, they keep calling elementary school names! LOL! But I think you’re right maybe if no one talks to them they will go away!
I can’t say that we share a common political outlook, Sunshine, but I like the blog name you picked for yourself! Personally, I think GtG hasn’t had any in a while. I wonder if he can still get it up…. (try that visual on for size).
I agreed to go on a blind date tomorrow night—should be interesting. She’s a special ed teacher, so I’m sure she’s a nice person. We’re going to a local play—Treasure Island. If things go well, maybe we can plan our own “treasure hunt”. ; > }
By Gale
September 17, 2008 1:26 PM | Link to this
Sunshine, ever read The Zombie Survival Guide? The subject is presented in a completey serious tone.
By Bruno
September 17, 2008 1:28 PM | Link to this
But the sky IS GREEN, it IS, it IS, it IS. (stamping foot)
You know what the only thing that’s worse on a blog than an out-of-control ranter? A cowardly sniper whose only satisfaction is to lob sarcastic bombs. Just my opinion….
By Grading Wooten
September 17, 2008 1:29 PM | Link to this
My Favorite Things ……………
Lipstick on Pitbulls and Flip Flops on Stances
Smear ads that swiftboat both candidates’ chances.
VPs that poll well because of their bling
These are a few of my favorite things
When the veep stings, attack-dog style
and the polls are bad,
I simply remember my favorite things, and then I dont feel so bad.
Pink liberal whiners, and GOP bashers
Cops weilding numbchucks at convention crashers
Speeches that say nothing yet still impress
Imagine our president wearing a dress
.
Snowflaking babies that lead to the alter
Bailing out Wallstreet when Ponzi Schemes falter
Tortured insurgents all tied up with string
These R a few of my favorite things.
.
Losing elections instead of the wars
Not teaching Johnny about dinosaurs
Russia’s white winters I see from my swing
These are a few of my favorite things.
When the veep stings, attack dog style
and the polls go bad
They simply refuse to allow paper trails
or recount the hanging chads.
.
.
By Sunshine
September 17, 2008 1:39 PM | Link to this
I can’t say that we share a common political outlook, Sunshine, but I like the blog name you picked for yourself!—Thank you for the compliment! I was given that nickname a long time ago, I try to live up to it! As a long time lurker and newer poster, I really enjoy the civil tone you bring with you Bruno! Good luck with your date! I hope its fun!
And as one poster put it a while back:
*Very few poeple on the extreme edges (either right or left) can make points of actual substance because they are driven by emotion and passion rather than reason and deliberation.
Multiple points of view must be examined in order to deliver clear and succinct messages. The extremes will not ever consider the other side(s) and therefore are not able to test and galvanize their own position into clear and succinct points. It takes an open mind to do such things.*
I liked that post so much I keep it handy. And try to remember not too be too extreme (even though I don’t always succeed!) ;-)
By TheOtherJackA-s-s
September 17, 2008 1:44 PM | Link to this
Just my opinion…
and like a-s-s-h-o-l-e-s…..
didn’t you start here as a off-his-meds/throw-a-temper-tantrum-cause-I-suffer-from-depression-oh-poor-ole-me troll?
By Laugh of the Day
September 17, 2008 1:45 PM | Link to this
“We’re going to put an end to the reckless conduct, corruption and unbridled greed that has caused the crisis on Wall Street,” Flip Flop McCain told more than 2,000 people at a downtown Tampa convention center.
Corruption and unbridled greed: He was for it before he was against it. He was a capitalist before he was a socialist. He was for more of the same before he was for change. He loved his wife before he called her a c—-. He had no kitchen table before he had nine kitchens.
Paid for by citizens for McCain and more of the same, unless you want change. Yeah, we’ve got that too. Whatever you want, we’re for it. Or against it. Check back tomorrow to find out what you believe in.
By JustaJew
September 17, 2008 1:53 PM | Link to this
Thank God you’re not actually in charge of anything in life
Glass houses Bruno, glass houses….
By Sunshine
September 17, 2008 1:55 PM | Link to this
Gale: Sunshine, ever read The Zombie Survival Guide? The subject is presented in a completey serious tone-No haven’t ever read that, but sounds like it could be interesting. Its always funny to read something absurd written in an overly serious tone, kind of like McCain’s lastest quotes “We’re going to need a ‘9/11 Commission’ to find out what happened and what needs to be fixed,” and “fundamentals of our economy are strong.” (Sorry couldn’t resist the jab, all the singing on here lifted my mood!) :-)
By Bruno
September 17, 2008 2:05 PM | Link to this
And try to remember not too be too extreme (even though I don’t always succeed!) ;-)
I guess the way that I look at it, Sunshine, is kind of like a “Bell curve” from statistics. In order to keep things balanced, we need a few voices on the extremes. We need at least one Teddy Kennedy and one Pat Buchanan.
By Bruno
September 17, 2008 2:08 PM | Link to this
didn’t you start here as a off-his-meds/throw-a-temper-tantrum-cause-I-suffer-from-depression-oh-poor-ole-me troll?
That may be true, but at least I’ve progressed somewhat. You, on the other hand, remain a passive-aggressive cowardly sniper.
By Gale
September 17, 2008 2:18 PM | Link to this
“9/11 commission to see what happened” with regard to the financial crisis. Isn’t that like those scientific studies costing millions to learn what grandmothers the world over have known for a thousand years?
By Gale
September 17, 2008 2:23 PM | Link to this
Bruno, it’s like the duality priciple of deists. Without evil there can be no good.
By Gandalf, the Grey
September 17, 2008 2:30 PM | Link to this
Juden is singing: There’s a black man with a black cat livin’ in a black neighborhood He’s got an interstate runnin’ through his front yard You know he thinks that he’s got it so good And there’s a woman in the kitchen cleanin’ up the evenin’ slop And he looks at her and says, “Hey darlin’, I can remember when you could stop a clock.”
CHORUS: Oh but ain’t that America for you and me Ain’t that America somethin’ to see baby Ain’t that America home of the free Little pink houses for you and me
There’s a young man in a T-shirt Listenin’ to a rock-and-roll station He’s got greasy hair, greasy smile He says, “Lord this must be my destination.” ‘Cause they told me when I was younger “Boy you’re gonna be president.” But just like everything else those old crazy dreams Just kinda came and went
CHORUS
Well there’s people and more people What do they know know know Go to work in some high rise And vacation down at the Gulf of Mexico Ooh yeah And there’s winners and there’s losers But they ain’t no big deal ‘Cause the simple man baby pays for the thrills, the bills, the pills that kill
CHORUS
By Gandalf, the Grey
September 17, 2008 2:30 PM | Link to this
Juden is singing: There’s a black man with a black cat livin’ in a black neighborhood He’s got an interstate runnin’ through his front yard You know he thinks that he’s got it so good And there’s a woman in the kitchen cleanin’ up the evenin’ slop And he looks at her and says, “Hey darlin’, I can remember when you could stop a clock.”
CHORUS: Oh but ain’t that America for you and me Ain’t that America somethin’ to see baby Ain’t that America home of the free Little pink houses for you and me
There’s a young man in a T-shirt Listenin’ to a rock-and-roll station He’s got greasy hair, greasy smile He says, “Lord this must be my destination.” ‘Cause they told me when I was younger “Boy you’re gonna be president.” But just like everything else those old crazy dreams Just kinda came and went
CHORUS
Well there’s people and more people What do they know know know Go to work in some high rise And vacation down at the Gulf of Mexico Ooh yeah And there’s winners and there’s losers But they ain’t no big deal ‘Cause the simple man baby pays for the thrills, the bills, the pills that kill
CHORUS
By Gandalf, the Grey
September 17, 2008 2:32 PM | Link to this
EXPAT IS SINGING LOUDLY: Georgia, Georgia The whole day through (the whole day through) Just an old sweet song Keeps Georgia on my mind (Georgia on my mind) I said a Georgia, Georgia A song of you (a song of you) Comes as sweet and clear as moonlight through the pines Other arms reach out to me Other eyes smile tenderly Still in the peaceful dreams I see The road leads back to you I said Georgia, oh Georgia, no peace I find (no peace i find) Just an old sweet song Keeps Georgia on my mind (Georgia on my mind oh) Other arms reach out to me Other eyes smile tenderly Still in peaceful dreams I see The road leads back to you Oh Georgia, No peace, no peace I find Just an old, sweet song Keeps Georgia on my mind (Georgia on my mind) Other arms reach out to me Other eyes smile tenderly Still in peaceful dreams I see The road leads back to you Oh Georgia, Georgia No peace, no peace I find Just an old sweet song Keeps Georgia on my mind (Georgia on my mind) I said just an old sweet song Keeps Georgia on my mind
By Sunshine
September 17, 2008 2:34 PM | Link to this
“9/11 commission to see what happened” with regard to the financial crisis. Isn’t that like those scientific studies costing millions to learn what grandmothers the world over have known for a thousand years?—-Exactly! Made me think, Wow, he really has been is Washington too long, he wants to set up a committee, to find and start a commission, so that we can find out what the problem is! And he says he wants change! Ha!
Best quote I heard recently about all the hub-bub that McCain was right about the ‘surge’:
“You don’t get to brag about your delicious dessert, when everyone from your dinner party went home with food poisoning!”
By JustaJew
September 17, 2008 2:45 PM | Link to this
Anybody have any thoughts on what we should do about those insurgents over there in the Middle East. I hear the U.S. Embassy in Yemen was attacked, what should we do? I vote send more troops into another sovreign country so we can fight them over there before they get over here. What a minute…a dead American is a dead American no matter where they’re killed in the world….
By JustaJew
September 17, 2008 2:45 PM | Link to this
Anybody have any thoughts on what we should do about those insurgents over there in the Middle East. I hear the U.S. Embassy in Yemen was attacked, what should we do? I vote send more troops into another sovreign country so we can fight them over there before they get over here. What a minute…a dead American is a dead American no matter where they’re killed in the world….
By Bruno
September 17, 2008 2:49 PM | Link to this
Bruno, it’s like the duality priciple of deists. Without evil there can be no good.
Gale—Once again, I like the way you think! Glad I was able to hear you over GtG’s singing.
By Sunshine
September 17, 2008 2:51 PM | Link to this
Just a small quote from the larger article but it struck me. Seems to me this is so much of the problem we are currently facing:
House Adopts Plan to Ease Offshore Drilling Ban
“Among other objections, House Republicans joined industry in criticizing the measure because it would eliminate about $18 billion in tax breaks for oil companies, including a manufacturing deduction of particular benefit to large firms. The savings from the oil companies would be diverted to pay for tax breaks and incentives for renewable fuels, vehicles that use alternative energy and other fuel efficiency programs and research.”
(from:www.nytimes.com/2008/09/17/washington/17cong.html)
By Bruno
September 17, 2008 2:55 PM | Link to this
And for the record, OtherJackA-s-s, I’ve never asked anyone to feel sorry for me, either here on the blog or in “real life”. I’m where I am due to the choices I’ve made in life. Nothing more, nothing less. Can you say the same?
By USinUK
September 17, 2008 2:56 PM | Link to this
Sunshine -
-Its hard to keep ignoring the trolls, they keep calling elementary school names! LOL! But I think you’re right maybe if no one talks to them they will go away!
the best thing to do is laugh it off … (take a cue from your name) … :-)
Gale -
You know, I already liked you before - knowing you’re a zombie fiend makes me only like you more!! My hub is one, too (me, I’m too much of a scaredy-cat to watch the movies) - we not only have the Zombie Survival Guide, he also has a great t-shirt “Watch out for fast moving zombies” - which goes with my t-shirt “Zombie boyfriends love you for your brains, not your body”
:-)
By Gale
September 17, 2008 2:57 PM | Link to this
*It was the salmon mousse!”
By USinUK
September 17, 2008 3:00 PM | Link to this
GtG -
I thought he was talking about Chaka’s father, Jengis
Jengis??? isn’t that a game with wooden blocks?? ;-)
but you go on with your bad 80’s - 09’s self
you know it, babbee!! (except, no perm-y big hair)
By JokeoftheDay
September 17, 2008 3:07 PM | Link to this
*And for the record, OtherJackA-s-s, I’ve never asked anyone to feel sorry for me, either here on the blog *
By Gale
September 17, 2008 3:11 PM | Link to this
House drilling proposal: It is so they can all go home and tell the voters they are doing something, while doing nothing. After the elections, they will go back and quietly kick it to the curb.
By USinUK
September 17, 2008 3:15 PM | Link to this
Sunshine -
Best quote I heard recently about all the hub-bub that McCain was right about the ‘surge’: “You don’t get to brag about your delicious dessert, when everyone from your dinner party went home with food poisoning!”
OMG - that’s so good.
(and, Gale - I love the Meaning of Life reference!!!)
I don’t know how long you’ve been lurking around W2W, but one thing you’ll learn when you debate Truth - he will NEVER admit when he’s wrong especially when you show a link and provide him with proof - he’ll just move on to another subject (see above reference to the fed actions and the Clinton administration - first of all, it was appropos of nothing, secondly, I knocked it out of the park and he couldn’t be bothered to reply)
you’ll get used to it.
By Bruno
September 17, 2008 3:51 PM | Link to this
one thing you’ll learn when you debate Truth - he will NEVER admit when he’s wrong especially when you show a link and provide him with proof - he’ll just move on to another subject (see above reference to the fed actions and the Clinton administration - first of all, it was appropos of nothing, secondly, I knocked it out of the park and he couldn’t be bothered to reply)
Don’t forget, we most often criticize in others that which we don’t like about ourselves, dear. I’m still waiting for acknowlegement from you that the standard of living in the US is far higher than in Europe. ; > }
Have a great evening.
By Sunshine
September 17, 2008 3:53 PM | Link to this
I don’t know how long you’ve been lurking around W2W, but one thing you’ll learn when you debate Truth - he will NEVER admit when he’s wrong especially when you show a link and provide him with proof—You are right USinUK, I am beginning to see that. I have lurked on and off for a long time, more than a year, depending on how interesting the topic is. I have just always been wrapped up in politics, and I get all worked up about it every two years! But I have to watch it this year, I am almost 5 months pregnant and the stress isn’t good for the little guy! I like to construct a good argument with facts and figures, and I love a good debate. Having an outlet here spares my friends and family! Although I must say, quite proudly, I think I have swayed my usually republican husband for this election. He’s a moderate GOPer but is sick of all the Bush Cr-p! He believes that Obama’s centralist positions on some issues will do a lot of good for the country.
By Gale
September 17, 2008 3:53 PM | Link to this
USinUK
“Zombies love you for your brains” Too funny. I suppose you have seen Sean of the Dead?
I try not to invest too much emotion in a discussion board. There will always be people who are contrary and people who disagree with no more reason than they disagree. It is unfortunate when you encounter one that insists on being right with me being entirely wrong. I play duck and let the words roll off. There are too many good conversations to let the bad ones get in the way. I was reminded this weekend that many kurkers read and never comment. Personal vendettas just make us look foolish.
By JustaJew
September 17, 2008 4:07 PM | Link to this
Anybody wanna weigh in on the GOP strategy in Michigan (one they’ve since said they will not implement, yeah right) of using foreclosure lists to disqualify people from voting if they’re registered at that address, even though the residents can stay in those homes as they try to negotiate something with the mortgage company?
Seems you lose all right to stand up and shout Yeah, America!!! when you use tactics like that.
By Gale
September 17, 2008 4:09 PM |