Woman to Woman

By xqhfe

April 6, 2008 4:25 AM | Link to this

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By Spam To Spam

April 6, 2008 10:22 AM | Link to this

If we’re really out to change the next generation, let’s become a citizenry more outraged by legislative recklessness than bedroom escapades.

Good point, Andrea. Pray tell, then, why you chose this as your topic of the week? Do you think a week of further discussion of the “bedroom escapades” of Eliot Spitzer, Bill Clinton, or even Newt Gingrich is going to somehow draw attention to the “big issues” you allude to in your Commentary?? Or, like the 90% registered Democratic press, have you too decided to appeal to the prurient interests of the public in lieu of true political discussion?? Am I the only one who misses Diane’s columns more and more?

Our elected leaders are imperfect human beings just like the rest of us. But unlike private citizens, they take an oath to uphold the public trust. And they deserve every bit of scrutiny they get when they lie, sneak around and arrogantly place themselves above the law.

On the surface, I agree with you, Shaunti. I find it hard to trust people who break their wedding vows. But, having broken my own, I feel hypocritical in casting the first stone. As for the “oath to uphold the public trust” you mention, does that oath specifically mention a perfect private life? Not to my knowledge. If such a qualification were specifically codified, my guess is that there wouldn’t be many of us left to run for office. That is with the exception of you and your Southern Baptist buddy chuckles. Or are you one of those idiots who has a bumper sticker on your car proclaiming “Christians aren’t perfect, just forgiven”?

My guess is that the same personal characteristics which lead someone to run for office—the need for a lot of attention, the need to have power over others, etc.—are the same characteristics which would lead someone into an affair. As such, we’re kind of stuck with the situation. The solution? I don’t really know. As long as we remain imperfect humans, and as long as the media (including FOX News) make a quick buck pandering to the lowest common denominator, I expect to hear more and more of these stories in the future.

By Spam To Spam

April 6, 2008 10:30 AM | Link to this

Personal to Other Truth: If you decide to come back to W2W, do your best to “play nice”, or I’m going to be back on your a* all week. Mara has been a long-time, well-respected poster here, and the fact that she won’t blog because of your bullying ways bothers me. Obviously, my own record isn’t perfect either, but I’ve tried to make amends when possible.

P.S. I’m sure there’s a chapter of AA in your neighborhood. Check it out, bro.

By Spam To Spam

April 6, 2008 10:35 AM | Link to this

The discussion I would like to see regarding this sordid topic is “Why do people break their wedding vows?”. I posed that same question a few months ago, and all I heard was “It’s all the MAN’S fault”. Nice try, ladies. Unfortunately, I don’t have a ready answer. Anyone care to take a crack at it, without all the man-bashing?

By Spam To Spam

April 6, 2008 10:50 AM | Link to this

P.S. As for my own (one-time) marital infidelity, I’m going to go with “The Devil made me do it”. ; > }

By Lyrazel

April 7, 2008 9:17 AM | Link to this

This problem is with the media and seldom affects peoples daily lives. When an official someone craps in their britches its all over TV and papers making it an event—taking away reporters and leaving more important issues that concern voters never mentioned or delegated to the: look it up page. Lazy, escapist titillating journalism sells papers & advertising and the more scandalous the B.S. the more coverage we get. My solution? Government prostitutes (elected by voters of course) to serve elected politicians. No frills, no scandal & jobs for Americans!

By male bashing?

April 7, 2008 9:32 AM | Link to this

Any man who pays for sex needs to be more than bashed. Any married man who pays for sex needs to be jailed. Any man in office who pays for sex needs to be bashed, jailed, then forced to leave this country. There’s too many pervs running around.

The boys will be boys excuse is the same as saying pervs will be pervs. No big deal you say?

By Archie

April 7, 2008 9:41 AM | Link to this

My answer to the topic question is basically no if I can only give a one word answer but a my longer answer is that I agree with everything Andrea wrote. Human beings are complex creatures as I can write a computer program yet mismanage money. I only agree with the first paragraph and half of the second of Shanti’s rebuttal. Shanti leaves herself wide open for to being called a hypocrite. Can we trust a guy that had major issues with alcohol? This same guy refuses to answer the question as to whether or not he ever used drugs. Can we just this guy named Bush??

By Bill

April 7, 2008 9:41 AM | Link to this

I would not trust anybody who cheats on his wife with a hooker. What kind of man pays for sex with a 21 year old? I wouldn’t want him in my neighborhood much less representing me in any way.

By Lyrazel

April 7, 2008 9:59 AM | Link to this

Ah but what about the girls who will be girls? Women do pay for sex, use escort services blah blah blah! I guess because news covers just what they wear & hair that is good camouflage for women politicians because their affairs seldom found out. Guys have a lot to learn from women who can keep affairs from being discovered.

Ya ever notice that once they get caught they all retire with full pensions for: family reasons? Gotta love that: family values crap.

By USinUK

April 7, 2008 10:02 AM | Link to this

Bruno -

(to answer your comment from Friday)

BTW—did you laugh as hard as I did at 149-IQ chuckles “analysis” that economic growth itself is the real culprit? In his words, what a maroon.

did I laugh?? no, but I think I bruised my chin when my jaw hit the floor on that one. good grief. (oh, and please don’t malign Warner Bros. - “what a maroon” comes from Bugs Bunny”)

as far as a “false economy” - I understand where you’re coming from on the refi market and agree with you, to some extent. I think that, had the US experienced job growth in something other than the service sector and (more importantly) WAGE growth between 2002 and 2007, then people wouldn’t have needed to rely on refi to subsidize their lifestyles.

But, then, had the economy between 2002 and 2007 been stronger, then the Fed wouldn’t have needed to cut rates in the first place (leading to people refi-ing their homes, etc).

as for this week’s topic - I gotta admit, I’m a bit torn on this one. I can see where Shaunti is coming from re: the trustworthiness factor. But, that’s assuming that every married couple has the exact same marriage and that everyone regards their vows the same way. I think there are LOADS of marriages out there where people together for reasons other than “traditional” love - or they may have started that way, but aren’t that way any longer.

Whether it’s because of political or corporate aspirations, some married couples turn a blind eye on the behavior of their spouse - it’s not for me to judge. That’s their marriage to live in, not mine.

By Gandalf, the Grey

April 7, 2008 10:06 AM | Link to this

Sex is natural sex is fun, sex is best when it’s one on one.

By JokesOn

April 7, 2008 10:07 AM | Link to this

I agree with archie;)

Any man in office who pays for sex needs to be bashed, jailed, then forced to leave this country.

Lets just burn both the guy and prostitute at the stake in the town center. You on board with that whiley?

By kimberly

April 7, 2008 10:34 AM | Link to this

Oh, for the love of little green frogs! Why are the sex lives of OTHER PEOPLE so incredibly fascinating to some of you? Do you also watch with great interest when your Governor or Congressman takes a dump? “Ohhhh, looks like somebody needs more fiber in his diet….” A certain percentage of humans will be monogamous, a certain percentage will not. (A certain percentage is gay, and a certain percentage just doesn’t like sex at all!) It’s always been that way; it always will be. Get your own sex life, whydoncha, and stop obssessing over others’. Seriously, grow up.

By Archie

April 7, 2008 10:39 AM | Link to this

Ah but what about the girls who will be girls? Women do pay for sex, use escort services blah blah blah Good job Lyrazel because I was getting ready to blast a couple of posts. At least twice within the last eight months I have had women tell me they are planning on having one-night stands. We need to stop treating women as if they’re just these angellic creatures sex-wise. Women do everything men do, good and bad and it’s time to acknowledge that.

Also, Shanti’s position is so easily challenged that it’s ridiculous. A simple search of the internet or just a good memory and you could name an equal number of republicans and democrats who have had affairs. Let me name just a few Bob Livingston, Bob Barr,Warren G. Harding,Glenn Murphy Jr,Gavin Newsome(democrat),Richard Curtis, and recently David Vitter. Heck Jack Ryan’s ex said they went to sex clubs in several cities with the intent to have sex in public. If you do a sex-sin-test I guarantee that you would have very few people in office!! Other countries have figured out that it’s not a good idea to lock up it’s citizens for having sex even if money is involved.

By Male Bashing??

April 7, 2008 10:53 AM | Link to this

Ah but what about the girls who will be girls? Women do pay for sex, use escort services blah blah blah!

(They do? Name ONE.)

MOST people don’t frequent strip clubs or hookers. Most people wouldn’t even if they had the money. There are plenty of other people to replace the pervs. People who act like pervs should be bashed. And if you forgot, it’s illegal to be a hooker or pay for one. In the future there should be a website to show the photos of every jon caught. We have a right to know who the pervs are. And we also have a right to know who’s being a hooker, spreading diseases.

By Bruno

April 7, 2008 10:58 AM | Link to this

Any man who pays for sex needs to be more than bashed. Any married man who pays for sex needs to be jailed. Any man in office who pays for sex needs to be bashed, jailed, then forced to leave this country. There’s too many pervs running around.

So, are you offering to give it away for free, male basher?

Why are the sex lives of OTHER PEOPLE so incredibly fascinating to some of you?

It’s called voyeurism.

pervs will be pervs.

You oughta’ try one out one day, male basher. It might perk up your sex life.

This problem is with the media

Wise, wise words, Lyrazel. It seems to me that the 90% registered Democrat media, including the uber-liberal AJC has gone into the proverbial crapper.

By Bruno

April 7, 2008 11:15 AM | Link to this

Shanti leaves herself wide open for to being called a hypocrite. Can we trust a guy that had major issues with alcohol? This same guy refuses to answer the question as to whether or not he ever used drugs. Can we just this guy named Bush??

Do you trust Bill-I-Never-Inhaled-Clinton, Archie?? Personally, I prefer a polite declination to answer personal questions than Bill’s “here’s a stick in your eye” type of answers. “It depends on just what the meaning of is is”.

Hopefully you caught the story over the weekend about the Clinton’s tax returns. While I give Hillary some credit for finally releasing the documents, in the end, they raised more questions in my mind than they answered. First of all, the Clinton’s have made a career out of casting themselves as being “ordinary folks” who think the “rich” should pay more taxes. With an income of $109,000,000 the past 6-7 years, they only paid 33% in taxes—less than what I paid with only a fraction of the income. Secondly, they wrote off $10,000,000 in charitable giving. An impressive figure, until it was revealed that they donated the money to the Clinton Foundation, and that a large percentage of the monies disbursed so far had political strings 100 miles long attached. The biggest unanswered questions involve the source of their income. Just who paid Bill all that speech money? Friends of the US, or enemies? Will Hillary be obligated to “pay back” some of these “generous donors” if she’s elected? What say you, Archie?

By JokesOn

April 7, 2008 11:17 AM | Link to this

(They do? Name ONE.)

Of course gigolo’s are only a myth. What woman would ever think about paying for sex?!?!

By Bruno

April 7, 2008 11:20 AM | Link to this

MOST people don’t frequent strip clubs or hookers. Most people wouldn’t even if they had the money. There are plenty of other people to replace the pervs. People who act like pervs should be bashed. And if you forgot, it’s illegal to be a hooker or pay for one. In the future there should be a website to show the photos of every jon caught. We have a right to know who the pervs are. And we also have a right to know who’s being a hooker, spreading diseases

Why don’t you come clean yourself, male basher, and tell the good folks her if you are:

(1) An uptight, judgmental “Christian” who couldn’t get laid to save your life.

Or, (2) An uptight “femi-nazi” who couldn’t get laid to save your life.

Curious minds want to know….

By USinUK

April 7, 2008 11:21 AM | Link to this

Bruno -

It seems to me that the 90% registered Democrat media, including the uber-liberal AJC has gone into the proverbial crapper

that is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO wrong!!!

who owns ABC?? Who owns NBC?? Who owns CBS?? major corporatios - HARDLY liberal.

if you’re talking about the reporters being registered democrats, who-tf cares?? do you honestly think THEY get final say on what goes in the story?? you’ve obviously never hung out in a newsroom if you do. I’ve seen more than 1 reporter have a hissy because what they thought was a key part of the story was cut by the editorial staff.

and who controls the editorial staff???

so, zippit with the “liberal media” - that crap doesn’t fly anymore.

By lozen

April 7, 2008 11:24 AM | Link to this

Our puritan ethic! All our “shoulds” and “should nots” that we apply to everyone without knowing anything about them. The “oldest profession” meets the “sleaziest profession” and we’re surprised!

Here’s much more interesting information about John McCain:

He voted against establishing a national holiday in honor of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Now he says his position has “evolved,” yet he’s continued to oppose key civil rights laws.

According to Bloomberg News, McCain is more hawkish than Bush on Iraq , Russia and China . Conservative columnist Pat Buchanan says McCain “will make Cheney look like Gandhi.”

His reputation is built on his opposition to torture, but McCain voted against a bill to ban waterboarding, and then applauded President Bush for vetoing that ban.

McCain opposes a woman’s right to choose. He said, “I do not support Roe versus Wade. It should be overturned.”

The Children’s Defense Fund rated McCain as the worst senator in Congress for children. He voted against the children’s health care bill last year, then defended Bush’s veto of the bill.

He’s one of the richest people in a Senate filled with millionaires. The Associated Press reports he and his wife own at least eight homes!

Many of McCain’s fellow Republican senators say he’s too reckless to be commander in chief. One Republican senator said: “The thought of his being president sends a cold chill down my spine. He’s erratic. He’s hotheaded. He loses his temper and he worries me.”

McCain talks a lot about taking on special interests, but his campaign manager and top advisers are actually lobbyists. The government watchdog group Public Citizen says McCain has 59 lobbyists raising money for his campaign, more than any of the other presidential candidates.

McCain has sought closer ties to the extreme religious right in recent years. The pastor McCain calls his “spiritual guide,” Rod Parsley, believes America’s founding mission is to destroy Islam, which he calls a “false religion.” (The first time I ran across this man on tv I thought he needed to be in a mental hospital. He’s a lunatic.) McCain sought the political support of right-wing preacher John Hagee, who believes Hurricane Katrina was God’s punishment for gay rights and called the Catholic Church “the Antichrist” and a “false cult.”

He positions himself as pro-environment, but he scored a 0 — yes, zero! —from the League of Conservation Voters last year.

By HaveKnownGigilos

April 7, 2008 11:29 AM | Link to this

People, men and women, do not pay for sex, they pay for the servicing provider to go away and keep their mouths shut after. That is what is really being paid for, the discretion.

At commericial-provider establishments, it is referred to as the woman coming in and getting stuffed.

If people wish to think women do not pay for sex, feel free to continue with that delusion.

By Mrs. RepubLady

April 7, 2008 11:35 AM | Link to this

You male bashers really are pathetic, you know that? Even if you were raped, or your husband brought home some disgusting disease you will never be rid of, I say you were asking for it and you know it. Good godly women do not get raped, and good godly women’s husbands don’t cheat on them. Stop whining you sorry whining whiners.

Now about your sex life, tell us everything! We have a right to know.

McCain ‘08: Because we need more of the same s—t. Lots more.

By Bruno

April 7, 2008 11:36 AM | Link to this

did I laugh?? no, but I think I bruised my chin when my jaw hit the floor on that one. good grief. (oh, and please don’t malign Warner Bros. - “what a maroon” comes from Bugs Bunny”)

Well, I’ve been blogging long enough on W2W so that I can only laugh at the “Christian” imbecile who posts under that name of “chuck”. In case you missed it, he tried to impress me by saying he has a 149 IQ when I first came on board. If you notice, however, he rarely has an original thought. When he’s not quoting crackpot websites, he echoes what I posted just a few minutes prior. I’ve challenged him time and time again to debate the Bible with me to determine what the document actually says, but he runs away and makes all kinds of excuses time and again as to why he can’t defend hi hateful, erroneous views. Toss in the fact that he went out of his way to publish my home address on W2W, and you might understand my total contempt for him.

as far as a “false economy” - I understand where you’re coming from on the refi market and agree with you, to some extent. I think that, had the US experienced job growth in something other than the service sector and (more importantly) WAGE growth between 2002 and 2007, then people wouldn’t have needed to rely on refi to subsidize their lifestyles.

If you dig a little deeper, the money which fueled the growth in the service sector came primarily from the refi market along with a drastic increase in personal debt via credit cards. That’s what concerns me.

But, then, had the economy between 2002 and 2007 been stronger, then the Fed wouldn’t have needed to cut rates in the first place (leading to people refi-ing their homes, etc).

There’s nothing wrong with cutting interest rates as long as the more readily available capital is used to create real industries. BTW, the reason we were in trouble post-1999 was because of the false “internet economy” during the Clinton years. Companies like Lucent Technologies were selling fiber optic cable as fast as they could, but were selling it all on credit. After the 2000 internet crash, Lucent stock fell from a high of over $200 per share to mere pennies.

Whether it’s because of political or corporate aspirations, some married couples turn a blind eye on the behavior of their spouse - it’s not for me to judge. That’s their marriage to live in, not mine.

Form the little bit I can discern about you, USinUK, I’m sure you picked a winner for a hubby. Don’t ever forget, however, that all men are dogs when it comes down to it. We’re only as faithful as the options available to us. But since you’re in the top .0001%, you likely have little to worry about. : > }

By Bruno

April 7, 2008 11:44 AM | Link to this

so, zippit with the “liberal media” - that crap doesn’t fly anymore.

S**, busted again…. : > }

Sorry for the sour mood, but I haven’t seen any sunshine in nearly a month. Both weeks I spent in Miami were cloudy and rainy, and it’s been cloudy ever since I got back to Atlanta. I should have just gone to England, for crying out loud!

You might get a laugh from my weekend adventures at the annual Dogwood Festival, however. First of all, it was held in the Lenox Mall parking lot this year. So much for celebrating Dogwoods. Then on the way in, some “street preacher” started ranting about homosexuality and the “man shouldn’t lie with man” crap. One of my gay buddies that I went down with went up and asked the guy “Is it ok if we do it standing up?” I laughed my butt off.

On the plus side, one of my favorite local bands, Rua 6, a Brazilian/World band performed. Totally awesome!

By JokesOn

April 7, 2008 11:50 AM | Link to this

Don’t ever forget, however, that all men are dogs when it comes down to it. We’re only as faithful as the options available to us.

I disagree. I have never cheated on anyone and have had more opportunities than I can recall.

The idea of cheating is beyond me. With all the normal troubles in relationships, it floors me that people would add that to the mix.

By Bruno

April 7, 2008 11:51 AM | Link to this

or your husband brought home some disgusting disease you will never be rid of

Hmmmm. The only time I came close to catching an STD was when the liberal ‘ho I dated last year lied to me about her test results. Somehow I dodged a major herpes bullet, but had to spend about $500 on repeated STD testing since.

It’s a two-way street, Republady.

By Archie

April 7, 2008 11:52 AM | Link to this

Lozen you beat me to the punch because I was waiting for an opening to post that information you did at 11:24 am. Bruno you need to calm down, I mean I don’t how my rhetorical questions to Shanti got the subject changed to the Clintons. Also Bruno you seem to hanging around to post a comment about anyone here on this blog. I mean how much free time do you have?

As for women paying for sex I don’t know any but I will say that people aren’t just paying for sex but also the secrecy of the acts. In an unscientific survey a guy in New York was asked why he paid for sex and he said he wanted variety in sex and he didn’t want to be bothered with the drama of relationships.

I think a good off topic question should be about arrogance. What is it that makes people not men so doggone arrogant? Both Clinton and Kilpatrick could have settled their cases without all their personal sex lives getting into the public and Bob Barr just flat out refused to answer some questions yet he was the loudest person going after Clinton. I will let Lozen and Lyrazel give examples of arrogant women but I will say that Christine Beatty of Detroit was a pretty arrogant woman based on what I read.

By USinUK

April 7, 2008 11:55 AM | Link to this

Bruno -

But since you’re in the top .0001%, you likely have little to worry about.

you only say that because I have 2 tatts. ;-)

There’s nothing wrong with cutting interest rates as long as the more readily available capital is used to create real industries

yes, there is … it rhymes with schminflation. I’d rather see moderated rates (5-6%) to keep borrowing in check. When too many companies get too much cash too easily, it jacks up wages and, in turn, jacks up inflation, as well.

Companies like Lucent Technologies were selling fiber optic cable as fast as they could, but were selling it all on credit. After the 2000 internet crash, Lucent stock fell from a high of over $200 per share to mere pennies

as far as what happened during the internet boom and subsequent bust … you hit the nail on the head with the example above. Plus, it also hit the other companies that service externally - the PR and ad agencies, the catering, the magazines that ran the ads, etc. Lastly, add to that the Bandwagon Factor - when people who have no knowledge of the market and/or how to adequately research a company decide to throw their money into Pets.com because, hey, they have a great commercial on the teevee. They then lose their shirt through bad investments and you get the same fall-out on a smaller scale.

The Bandwagon Factor made another appearance in the number of property speculators. A lot of those people don’t know how to read the market and got in too late - which is why Florida, Nevada and California are having such a rough time of it with foreclosures.

By Bruno

April 7, 2008 11:55 AM | Link to this

Of course gigolo’s are only a myth. What woman would ever think about paying for sex?!?!

So, how much are you charging these days, JokesOn?? I’ve been thinking about increasing my fee….

Sex is natural sex is fun, sex is best when it’s one on one.

On a serious, note, I agree with you 100%, Gandalf. Three-ways are way overrated, as is BDSM.

By Lyrazel

April 7, 2008 11:55 AM | Link to this

Archie shame on you! You named just MEN!

Congresswomen Helen Chenoweth (forced to admit an affair with a married man after attacking President Clinton for his personal conduct) and Sue Myrick (mayor of Charlotte) confessed to having had a relationship with her husband while he was still married to another woman. Rep. Katherine Bryson of Utah was caught with a lover on a surveillance camera; her then husband had set it up to catch a burglar. I am saying nothing about famous politician wives btw…

…Male Bashing…I think women are more creative than to use run-o-mill brothels like their male peers because that sort of service seldom appeals to women. Women are picky and don’t desire the one-size-fits-all like w******* clubs offer. How many politician women have & keep stylists, personal trainers, assistants & clerks… for that personal touch? Get hair done, get laid, submit the bill as a campaign expense! No hidden expenses that catch their male politicians because the public sees her new do. Plus women tip! Women tip after services and tip as the holiday cards go out… men don’t tip because they devalue women: w******* don’t deserve tips.

By USinUK

April 7, 2008 12:01 PM | Link to this

Bruno -

Sorry for the sour mood, but I haven’t seen any sunshine in nearly a month

I live in London … I can relate. But, hey, you guys were in a drought - you should be glad of the rain!!!

If it makes you feel better - Friday, we had temps in the mid-60s … Saturday, we had 1” of hail … Sunday we had 2” of snow. It’s nutty, I tell ya!

When I was ATL a few weeks ago, I saw the signs at Lennox about the Dogwood Festival. That’s just wrong. Nothing says “spring” like asphalt. sheesh.

By Bruno

April 7, 2008 12:02 PM | Link to this

Bruno you need to calm down, I mean I don’t how my rhetorical questions to Shanti got the subject changed to the Clintons.

Just making sure that you’re not putting on “liberal blinders”, Archie. If you’re going to point fingers at Bush, you need to point the same finger at the Clintons, no?

Also Bruno you seem to hanging around to post a comment about anyone here on this blog. I mean how much free time do you have?

After working for over 35 years without any days off, and after saving my money instead of wasting it along the way, I’ve got plenty of time to hang around. Actually, I’m going this afternoon to a resume service so that I can seek gainful employment once again. So, enjoy me while it lasts.

I disagree. I have never cheated on anyone and have had more opportunities than I can recall.

You are to be commended, JokesOn. I cheated once, and have never forgiven myself. BTW, when I was working, the vast majority of the solicitations I received for affairs came from married women. So much for the theory that only men cheat.

By Bruno

April 7, 2008 12:12 PM | Link to this

A lot of those people don’t know how to read the market and got in too late - which is why Florida, Nevada and California are having such a rough time of it with foreclosures.

There definitely is a lot to be said for “proper timing” when it comes to investing, USinUK. I’ve been pretty fortunate over the years to have had pretty good sense when investments start to seem to be “too good to be true” along with the courage to bail out of things just when everyone else is jumping on the bandwagon. Right now, I’m looking into buying a property in FL.

One of the biggest untold stories about investing is how the big-money guys like Warren Buffet manipulate the market through large-block purchases of stocks. As soon as the word leaks out, everyone else follows suit like cattle, artificially inflating the prices. Then these guys coolly sit back and dump it all for a tidy profit. As such, stock prices often don’t reflect the true value of a company. The only way to do well is to invest “counter-intuitively”, IMO. Though I don’t own any stock now, I always looked for good companies which had just had some bad news which caused a loss of investor confidence. Perfect example was Valujet (now Airtran). After they parked one in the Everglades, I laid low, then bought all the stock I could when they re-emerged as Airtran. You can’t follow the crowd and expect to succeed.

By male bashing ??

April 7, 2008 12:28 PM | Link to this

(1) An uptight, judgmental “Christian” who couldn’t get laid to save your life.

Or, (2) An uptight “femi-nazi” who couldn’t get laid to save your life.

Is that your way of shutting people up? Am I not able to voice my frustration & anger with pervs without being called names? Who’s side are you on? Criminals & pervs? I have a very happy marriage with grown kids. I would hate to think my daughter works with or lives next to any men who frequents hookers. Myself don’t want to associate with men who could treat women in that way. I have the right to protect myself & know who these people are. Isn’t it also true that most serial killers use hookers? If you are someone who can, without regret, purchase a stranger for that sort of thing, I can see how killers can think nothing of taking lives of any woman.

Another thing, it’s one thing to cheat on your spouse, it’s quite another to pay for illegal hookers. Damaged & drug addicted desparate women should not be bought & sold for the enjoyment of pervs.

By Bruno

April 7, 2008 12:30 PM | Link to this

Gotta run for a while, so in honor of this grey day, and my depressed thoughts of love gone by the wayside, I’m picking “Ten Years Gone” for the Song of the Day. Makes me cry every time….

Then as it was, then again it will be

An’ though the course may change sometimes

Rivers always reach the sea

Blind stars of fortune, each have several rays

On the wings of maybe, down in birds of prey

Kind of makes me feel sometimes, didn’t have to grow

But as the eagle leaves the nest, it’s got so far to go

.

Changes fill my time, baby, that’s alright with me

In the midst I think of you, and how it used to be

By Bruno

April 7, 2008 12:34 PM | Link to this

Is that your way of shutting people up? Am I not able to voice my frustration & anger with pervs without being called names? Who’s side are you on? Criminals & pervs? I have a very happy marriage with grown kids. I would hate to think my daughter works with or lives next to any men who frequents hookers. Myself don’t want to associate with men who could treat women in that way. I have the right to protect myself & know who these people are. Isn’t it also true that most serial killers use hookers? If you are someone who can, without regret, purchase a stranger for that sort of thing, I can see how killers can think nothing of taking lives of any woman.

You could have saved some time and just said (1).

By Mrs. RepubLady

April 7, 2008 12:34 PM | Link to this

Bruno, you almost got herpes from dating a liberal ho? How disappointing that you date liberal hos instead of settling down with a good, godly Republican woman in the bonds of eternal matrimony. And after you admit you worked hard and have the money to support such a woman in the lifestyle her purity deserves! You deserve to have it blister and fester before rotting off like all the rest of the liberals.

By lozen

April 7, 2008 12:35 PM | Link to this

“…when the liberal ‘ho I dated last year….” You just never miss a chance do ya? You’re such a pig. You have no respect for women. It shows through with statements like this one in spite of all your BS. You call a woman you dated a ‘ho and you don’t think that shows what kind of mess you are? It does.

By Monica

April 7, 2008 12:38 PM | Link to this

Should the bedroom escapades of politicians matter to voters? It depends on whether or not the escapades occur on or off the clock, and with whom. I have a friend whose ex-wife lost her job because of her affair (hence the “ex”)with a subordinate. If it’s something that could get the rest of us schmucks fired, then it should matter to voters.

By Bruno

April 7, 2008 12:40 PM | Link to this

You deserve to have it blister and fester before rotting off like all the rest of the liberals.

I’ll try harder next time, Republady.

By male bashing ??

April 7, 2008 12:43 PM | Link to this

Bruno, I’m not a Christian. I’m not ugly either. I wasn’t aware that women, unattractive people or Christians are not allowed to criticize men who pay for prostitutes.

Who’s side are you on?

By lozen

April 7, 2008 12:47 PM | Link to this

Bruno/whatever-your-name-is-today …. your “femi-nazi” statement and calling an ex girlfriend a ho, shows who you really are. You say Chuck quotes others and never has an original thought. Then you repeat Rush Limbaugh crap. Takes one to know one I guess.

By male bashing ??

April 7, 2008 12:47 PM | Link to this

Thank you for saying that lozen.

ditto

By Bruno

April 7, 2008 12:49 PM | Link to this

Who’s side are you on?

My own, like everyone else on this God-forsaken planet. Can you be just as honest?

By JokesOn

April 7, 2008 1:15 PM | Link to this

Can someone define a “perv” for me? Last time I checked most all of us liked good dirty sex and were therefore “pervs.”

I feel for anyone not married to a perv.

By male basing??

April 7, 2008 1:27 PM | Link to this

Bruno I am speaking very honestly. Too honest for you it sounds. Are ya getting a little angry at a woman criticizing your good buddies?

Cheating is one thing, knowingly seeking out & paying for a drug addicted damaged human being to get you off is illegal & pretty damn disgusting.

Yep it p** me off & the world doesn’t need jerks like you standing up for people like that.

Stop being part of the problem. There’s some honesty for you.

By FairDefinition

April 7, 2008 1:33 PM | Link to this

Perv, defined: Any sexual being who does not subscribe to, and therefore behave accordingly, to SOMEONE ELSE’s definition of sexuality.

By Bruno

April 7, 2008 1:45 PM | Link to this

Are ya getting a little angry at a woman criticizing your good buddies?

No, more like yawning at one more angry, male basher like you who couldn’t think her way out of a paper bag.

If you truly want to be part of the solution, stop pointing your stubby little fingers at 1/2 of the problem. It’s not working. That, and all the spittle on your lapels is unbecoming.

By Bruno

April 7, 2008 1:48 PM | Link to this

Stop being part of the problem. There’s some honesty for you.

Well, since you know so much about my personal life, I guess I’ll just have to surrender to your superior knowledge.

If you come up with any real ideas, let me know. I’ll check back later today or tomorrow.

By JokesOn

April 7, 2008 1:48 PM | Link to this

Cheating is one thing, knowingly seeking out & paying for a drug addicted damaged human being to get you off is illegal & pretty damn disgusting.

I find both, cheating and paying, equally sick.

By Bruno

April 7, 2008 1:57 PM | Link to this

Oh, I do need some more consumer advice, if anyone will be kind enough to share their experiences. After 20 years, my washing machine crapped out yesterday. Before I buy a lesser-expensive top-loading machine to replace it, I wanted to know if anyone has a (more expensive) front loading machine. If so, what are the advantages of the front-loader over the top-loader. Thanks.

By Lyrazel

April 7, 2008 2:00 PM | Link to this

Andrea wrote I’d love to see more focus on the big issues, more constituents demanding substantive conversation on political behavior that affects all of us, from the air that we breathe to the countries we invade. If we’re really out to change the next generation, let’s become a citizenry more outraged by legislative recklessness than bedroom escapades.

Excuse me dear but how can there be any substantive reporting when news hounds are following Britany Spears 24/7? I know AP has a reporter trailing her as does Reuters…if she cuts a fart it makes the AJC headlines. It is your press spending billions of $$$$$ on racy cheater headlines, promoting bigot pundits, and using TV hours to bring sleaze news to American subscribers NOT the reverse. What about columnists who keep spam up for hit counts to their blog site? If you want to see more focus and more meaningful content DO IT! WRITE IT! Start with WtW! Don’t ever blame your audience for apathetic columns and the mess journalism is in!

By Archie

April 7, 2008 2:01 PM | Link to this

You’re such a pig. You have no respect for women. It shows through with statements like this one in spite of all your BS. You call a woman you dated a ‘ho and you don’t think that shows what kind of mess you are? It does. Come on Lozen, Bruno has issues with everything not republican.. Calling women names unless you know they fit the definition is never a good thing, period. I will say this some young women really need to be taught how to dress and I don’t say that apologetically. Calling a woman a ‘ho is not good but then if you wearing a uniform well someone like Bruno may be led to believe you fit the definition. Someone like me just rolls his eyes and wonders why you have no sense of taste.

That male bashing thing is just a nut because this a good topic and there’s no need for over the top generalizations. Lyrazel made a good point to me that I only singled out men, well, that’s all I could remember but I did some checking and women get down sexually just as the men do. Lyrazel, I want you to post some more but I disagree with this men don’t tip because they devalue women: w* don’t deserve tips. Hell, if a man has paid 1,500 dollars for an hour of sex I don’t think he needs to do anything else!!!

By male bashing??

April 7, 2008 2:21 PM | Link to this

Bruno, if nobody spoke out & got angry, nothing would ever get done. It’s ok to get angry about filthy people making life harder on the rest of society. It’s ok to get angry about those who bring down property values & attract the type of people who don’t make area’s a place normal people want to go. It’s ok to get angry about those who cause business’s to close due to the activites going on.

It’s important that we all make sure the ones in charge are doing the job they are getting paid for & are not committing crimes. One does not accidentally pay for hookers. You also have to question the sanity of someone seeking a hooker. People holding important positions of power should not be those who think it is “OK just as long as nobody knows I’m paying thousands of $$’s so this 22 year old will get me off, It’s also ok because I can ignore the fact she’s addicted to coke, drinks too much & ran away from home because she was being neglected”. Someone like that has no business in office. I don’t think so anyway, some of you may not care.

If that makes me nuts, what does that make you?

By JokesOn

April 7, 2008 2:34 PM | Link to this

Bruno, if nobody spoke out & got angry, nothing would ever get done.

I agree. But when people go over the top ranting in anger, as well as adding in that not a single women pays for sex, nobody will listen.

A little tact goes a long way.

By male bashing??

April 7, 2008 3:01 PM | Link to this

What female public official, in her mid to late 50’s (or any age) has ever paid for a 23 year old young man for sex?

We’re talking about public officials paying for hookers right?

Or is this really about the high moral standards we want women to have, but pretty low for men as far as sex? Especially if they hold any power of any kind? Meaning, bad behavior is excused for the most part if a guy is rich or powerful? Hopefully that is now changing.

I realize it ticks guys off to discuss bad behavior perpetrated by men. I do understand why you would get defensive, but nobody is saying all men do this. I know of zero men who would hire sex. Or that I know of, which is why getting a type of online registry of those who are arrested for this sort of crime is so important. There is something deeply sick about anybody that could & does pay a hooker to get off. I would like to know if the person giving me a flu shot is the same man who gets sex from a crack head. Or that the guy installing my alarm system doesn’t visit the local hookers once a month. Wouldn’t you?

By Bruno

April 7, 2008 3:08 PM | Link to this

A little tact goes a long way.

You’re taking all the fun out of it again, JokesOn! : > }

BTW, do you think I could benefit from some lessons on tact?? If so, you’re not the first one to think that. You can take the boy out of Jersey, but you can’t take the Jersey out of the boy, I guess.

OK just as long as nobody knows I’m paying thousands of $$’s so this 22 year old will get me off, It’s also ok because I can ignore the fact she’s addicted to coke, drinks too much & ran away from home because she was being neglected

Male basher—perhaps there’s some truth to the fact that every hooker has a poor upbringing. At the same time, if someone is selling something, don’t you think it a little unfair to place the onus on the buyer to say no? Can’t the “buyer” also fall back on the poor upbringing excuse? Why do you only place the blame on 1/2 of the problem?

Come on Lozen, Bruno has issues with everything not republican.

Archie, in case you haven’t noticed, I’m an equal-opportunity insulter. I’ve probably been the hardest on the religious right-wingers like chuckles in my tenure here on W2W. If it seems like I’m insulting the left-wingers more often, it’s likely due to the fact that there are more left-wingers than right-wingers on W2W. That’s all. Basically, I’m a conservative person, and approach solutions from the personal responsibility side of the coin, and not so much from the “every one is a victim” side of the coin. I do my best not to cross the line into fascism, like chuckles does, and propose laws limiting abortion, birth control, etc. Underneath it all, we’re all frail sinners, especially the most vocal, self-righteous among us like “male basher”. Fair enough?

By JokesOn

April 7, 2008 3:13 PM | Link to this

On Topic:

I personally do not care who is doing who and how they are doing it (that is why they have porn).

If you are running on a platform of morality, I think the voters should take upon themselves to recall the person if they so wish. It should not be something that ties up congress because they do not like the act or person.

It sure would be nice if the govmt worked for us instead of us working for the govmt.

By Bruno

April 7, 2008 3:15 PM | Link to this

I realize it ticks guys off to discuss bad behavior perpetrated by men.

You just don’t get it, do you, male basher?

I’m all ears for solutions of how to motivate people to want to do better in life. So far, all you’ve done is demonize men and cast women into a perpetual victim role. Is that the best you can do?

As for your “solution” to prostitution, i.e. put people’s names and faces on billboards, take away their cars, etc., it’s already been tried with less-than-stellar results. Any reason you’re so revved up about moral crimes like prostitution, and not equally revved p about other types of crime? Or do you propose Draconian solutions for all crimes? What do you think of the fact that prostitution is legal in many countries of the world? Some might argue that prostitution actually prevents more serious crimes from happening by giving unattractive men a little chance at affection. I don’t have to pay for it myself (at least not drectly), but I can see a need for it in society, as horrible as that may seem to you.

By JokesOn

April 7, 2008 3:23 PM | Link to this

We’re talking about public officials paying for hookers right?

You are, but the topic is genderless and not specific to hookers: “Should the bedroom escapades of politicians matter to voters?”

I would like to know if the person giving me a flu shot is the same man who gets sex from a crack head. Or that the guy installing my alarm system doesn’t visit the local hookers once a month. Wouldn’t you?

No. But it does make me want to ask what you are doing with the nurse and alarm guy. You know that you have to have sex with these people to get anything, right? Or share blood/needles…

Just what we need. A division of Homeland Security that watches our sexual habits;)

By Bruno

April 7, 2008 3:26 PM | Link to this

And Archie—I’ve enjoyed talking with you like a man, as an equal here on W2W. Not as a black man, not as a skinny man,not as a Democrat etc. If you truly have some kind of inferiority complex due to your “status”, fahgetaboutit! You’re a man in my book, nothing more and nothing less. Ok, friend?

By Jon basher

April 7, 2008 3:29 PM | Link to this

HEY I’m no Christian, I’m a libertarian. I don’t care what you do in the bedroom as long as you aren’t committing crimes & you aren’t hurting or lying to anybody else.

I’m anti anything or anybody bringing down my property values & costing me more money because they can’t keep their stupid arss out of legal trouble.

LOL.

LOL !

By Archie

April 7, 2008 3:37 PM | Link to this

if she cuts a fart it makes the AJC headlines. It is your press spending billions of $$$$$ on racy cheater headlines, promoting bigot pundits, and using TV hours to bring sleaze news to American subscribers NOT the reverse This is an example of a good post. Everyone please take some notes. Lyrazel does not make any stupid generalizations or nutty morals claims she just posts on the topic. Hey,Lyrazel there is this lady named Veronica Monet that charged $10,000 per weekend!!! This lady consciously and actively made a living being a prostitute and no one forced her to do this. This woman has a college degree and according to her she discussed her day’s work just like anyone else. You can find this story on the San Franscisco newspaper so this male bashing person really is nutty but if it’s who I suspect it is we should expect no better. Lyrazel is very much on-target with her posts on this topic.

By kimberly

April 7, 2008 3:39 PM | Link to this

JokesOn, nice 3:13 post. Well said. People are suspicious of government when the perception is that it “rules” us. Its purpose is to serve the common good, and provide for taxpayers in a way that’s more logical than privatizing the need, such as defense and law enforcement, the design and management of the infrastructure, and so forth. I cannot understand those who demand the government control individual behavior while complaining about tax money being spent on things for which tax money should be spent. (Yet they have no problem with a government NOT building bridges and raising our taxes in the future by borrowing from our enemies now.) Our current administration isn’t serving us half as well as a good prostitute, and is surely costing us more than the whole brothel! Where’s the outrage?

By JokesOn

April 7, 2008 3:47 PM | Link to this

kimberly,

Thanks.

Our current administration isn’t serving us half as well as a good prostitute, and is surely costing us more than the whole brothel! Where’s the outrage?

Make no mistake though, they are bending us over. The roles are switched though. They get to f*%^ us and we still pay.

By jon basher

April 7, 2008 3:48 PM | Link to this

Prostitution is NOT a victimless crime. Women & children are horrible victims of this terrible crime worldwide. That’s no secret.

There is no solution to this problem as long as Jon’s (or client # whatever) aren’t prosecuted more. I say line up the Jon’s in a chain gang & clean up the trash everywhere. There is very little consiquence to hiring a streetwalker. Jons, if they even are arrested get little to no punishment. It’s really sad.

I want an online registry available to me similar to the current sex offender registry so that I may protect myself from people like that. I have a right to protect myself. Being a man you would not understand the added need to be more aware of who you are dealing with.

Again I would love to see a registry like that because I really believe anybody that would seek out a female they don’t know, just to get off, being able to block out any sympathy for these girls, not caring how low & down & out a person has to be to be so desparate she feels the only way to survive is give oral sex to strangers ( unbathed & nasty i’ll bet ! yuck ), I would want to know who they are. There is something horribly wrong with someone that can do that. (That was all written in one sentence too lol !)

By jon bashing

April 7, 2008 3:57 PM | Link to this

Archie, yes that young girl chose to be a prostitute. But why? It takes a desperate person to actually make a decision to allow much older men to use her to get off on. To pretend to enjoy catering to such people. Money, or lack of can make people so terrible things to themselves.
Behind the smiles & “Pretty Woman” story is a sad young woman who made some seriously bad decisions.

I’m not nutty for being honest & telling it like it is. Male bashing nut is what men call women who speak out.

By kimberly

April 7, 2008 4:10 PM | Link to this

Make no mistake though, they are bending us over. The roles are switched though. They get to f%^ us and we still pay.*

Totally! We should at least get a “Gee, you’re pretty” and a lil’ reach around first… haha!

By JokesOn

April 7, 2008 4:16 PM | Link to this

I want an online registry available to me similar to the current sex offender registry so that I may protect myself from people like that.

Curious as to how you are going to be better able to protect yourself. You going to fire the guy who works for you based on that info? Might have some legal issues there…

Or are you going to put more people in prison for non-violent crimes? Our prison system is already full of non-violent offenders.

Does not seem thought out and you are simply venting. Too bad, since prostitution is an interesting phenomenon and I would not mind hearing some rational posts about it. Maybe later in the week when this topic dies we will hear from everyone.

By Archie

April 7, 2008 4:24 PM | Link to this

Male bashing you are truly a nut. The lady I posted about has a college degree and she didn’t start working as a pro until she was full grown woman and after she had already worked in corporate america. You have trivialized a pretty good topic. This lady was not desperate, she made a business decision as many independent women do, get over it!! Do the research.

By JokesOn

April 7, 2008 4:35 PM | Link to this

Male bashing you are truly a nut.

It is just whiley hiding under various names since we all started ignoring her madness. Poor girl, bless her heart.

By Jon basher

April 7, 2008 4:37 PM | Link to this

Archie, sorry I got my hookers confused. That does not make me a nut tho, thank you for your male dominance & trying to keep me in my place lol But still, you have to wonder why a woman would choose to do that. I can’t believe she is all the happy go lucky woman you think she is. Who would risk their life, health & mental stability, always keeping that fake smile? Giving up your body for men who would normally repulse you. Money makes people do dangerous things.

OK, if an elected official can lie & cheat to their spouse & family, I wouldn’t trust them. Get them out of office. If you can’t stop cheating, don’t accept that type of job.

By Archie

April 7, 2008 4:50 PM | Link to this

Kwame Kilpatrick’s personal life did cost Detroit millions of dollars but it was his arrogance not his sex life that cost money. Why? Because Kwame knew he had something going on with Christine Beatty and he ended up costing the city more than the men who sued had asked for. There was also more to this story in that Kwame threatened to ruin two men and he did so they sued and won. Arrogance caused Kilpatrick’s problems just like arrogance caused former mayor Campbell problems down there in Atlanta. The point is Kilpatrick had money and power but it just wasn’t enough and the same can be said of his mistress. A one word answer was not good enough for this topic question and I do think that both Shanti and Andrea brought up a good topic but this blog keeps having people who trivialize good topics and quite frankly, appear to have psychological problems. As long as you’ve had life on earth you have had men and women sex scandals but obviously this country has been able get through that and I think we will continue to get past sex scandals because they will continue to occur.

By kimberly

April 7, 2008 4:53 PM | Link to this

Basher has some good points, y’all. Prostitution does exploit the weak. The trafficking of sex slaves in this country and others where it’s illegal is a serious problem to those caught in it, often children. In countries where it’s legal, regulated, and taxed, there’s less exploitation and more capitalistic gain for the participants. I’ll bet you don’t find 13-year-old smack addicts with syphillis hooking in Amsterdam, but I’ve haven’t been there yet. Can anyone comment on that?

It’s not wrong to express concern about people who are being harmed or to point the finger at those who are harming them. Just because there are victimless aspects to it, does not mean there aren’t victims too.

Anyone watch Charleze Theron in “North Country” this weekend on TV? Damn. True story; too bad this blame-the-victim stuff still goes on. Most of us have been there to some degree or another. Truth.

By JokesOn

April 7, 2008 4:53 PM | Link to this

sorry I got my hookers confused. That does not make me a nut tho Yep. It pretty much does.

thank you for your male dominance & trying to keep me in my place You sound pretty sexist (anti-female) if that is what you call being right.

OK, if an elected official can lie & cheat to their spouse & family, I wouldn’t trust them. You trust them????Ha! That is you first problem.

By jon basher

April 7, 2008 4:53 PM | Link to this

Nice spam on this blog. Who’s keeping the sex spammers in business?

Being a hooker & paying for one is illegal. It’s a crime. It should be. If it were young boys being bought & sold at the same rate by men, there would be outrage, not “well they chose it”.

Just making a point.

By Archie

April 7, 2008 5:01 PM | Link to this

Kimberly,Basher has some good points, y’all. Prostitution does exploit the weak. The trafficking of sex slaves in this country and others where it’s illegal is a serious problem to those caught in it, often children. I do have a problem with any exploitation of children but the person Spitzer dealt was an adult that made a business decision. Since he was mentioned in the topic commentary that’s where I directed my comments.

By JokesOn

April 7, 2008 5:09 PM | Link to this

It’s not wrong to express concern about people who are being harmed or to point the finger at those who are harming them.

Come on kimberly. This is just like TOJ making good points but in a totally wrong manner. I am all for helping people not fall into the position of becoming prostitutes, but to put the burden on people who employ them will waste tons of $ without ending the problem.

Even if all prostitution ended because we vigorously prosecuted all jons, do you really think that these people would not find another job being a victim?

All you would end up doing is: Filling up prisons with non-violent offenders and shuffling the damaged person from one sick profession to another.

The same number of people getting used and more inmates; that does not sound like a solution to me. The only people who would find it rewarding are the people that would rally because X number of men are now in prison.

too bad this blame-the-victim stuff still goes on I agree. It is also too bad that people have a habit of yelling “i am a victim” when they really are not. They hurt real victims more than any skeptic ever could.

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By Bruno

April 8, 2008 8:21 AM | Link to this

You’re such a pig. You have no respect for women. It shows through with statements like this one in spite of all your BS. You call a woman you dated a ‘ho and you don’t think that shows what kind of mess you are?

Calling women names unless you know they fit the definition is never a good thing, period.

USinUK—I have to apologize to you for breaking my vow to not use slurs here on W2W. Out of curiosity, how should I think of my GF last year who point-blank lied to me about her STD results?? For some reason, all the male-bashers who think nothing of calling men names all day long got a little upset by my use of the word ‘ho. I threw the “liberal” part in because she was the first woman I dated that was not a conservative.

By Bruno

April 8, 2008 8:35 AM | Link to this

MOST people don’t frequent strip clubs or hookers.

In case you didn’t know, male basher, there is at least ONE woman who posts regularly here on W2W who has bragged about enjoying going to strip clubs on numerous occasions. The same poster has also defended her decision to date a married man because she was “lonely and vulnerable” and appreciated the “few financial crumbs” that he provided her. Who? The same poster who complains that everyone always “blames the victim”.

Maybe my compassion for all the women “victims” of the world would be a little greater if you accepted even one tiny bit of responsibility for your own poor decisions.

It is also too bad that people have a habit of yelling “i am a victim” when they really are not. They hurt real victims more than any skeptic ever could.

Thanks for saying it better than I could, JokesOn. Looks like it’s going to be a loooong week of more male-bashing, finger-pointing, and avoidance of taking responsibility. BTW, I do take responsibility for not demanding to see the printed test results from the woman I dated last year before sleeping with her. Trust me, I’ll never make that mistake again.

By Bruno

April 8, 2008 8:47 AM | Link to this

Without revealing too much personal info, USinUK, could you share a little bit about your upbringing? Were you raised in a traditional, two-parent home? It seems to me that the most sensible women like yourself typically had a decent home life early on. As such, it is beyond me why some folks continue to defend single parenting and OOW births.

Thank you again for your intelligent input here on W2W. After listening to that nut-case whiley all day yesterday, I was ready to commit Hari-Kari. All blustering aside, it is my deep desire to see our society move in a better direction. Unfortunately, with all the one-sided male-bashing I see, my hope for a better future for the next generation of children dims each day. Whatever ails marriages these days has to be a two-person problem, and therefore requires a two-person solution.

By Bruno

April 8, 2008 9:04 AM | Link to this

In case anyone is curious, I “punished” the woman who lied to me by remaining friends with her despite the circumstances and “pushed” her into leaving her dead-end $10K per year job for one that pays $55K per year. I’m such a mean person, I know.

By USinUK

April 8, 2008 9:06 AM | Link to this

Bruno -

Whatever ails marriages these days has to be a two-person problem, and therefore requires a two-person solution

true, that.

But, I don’t think that bashing single moms is the solution, either - sadly, most people revere the 1950’s nuclear family as what has always been, when, in fact, it was an aberration.

Before the 1950s, you usually DID have single-parent households as many men were killed in farming/industrial accidents or wars. Not to mention, many women died in childbirth. The difference has been extended family - having mothers/grandmothers/aunts nearby to help raise the sprogs. My grandmother was a prime example - her husband died when my dad was VERY small, so she raised 3 boys on her own, with the help of relatives.

The issue is NOT single parenting in and of itself - the issue is the support available to them that help not only them have the breathing space to be the loving parents they want to be, but it surrounds the kids with love, as well (and the more love kids get, the better).

But I do NOT believe in parents staying together “for the sake of the children” - it does nothing to help either parent find the happiness they deserve and it does nothing but teach the kids all about dysfunctional relationships. Bad, bad, bad all the way around.

Just my £0.02.

By Bruno

April 8, 2008 9:18 AM | Link to this

The issue is NOT single parenting in and of itself - the issue is the support available to them that help not only them have the breathing space to be the loving parents they want to be, but it surrounds the kids with love, as well (and the more love kids get, the better).

I’ll defer to your judgment on that one. It may be important to note, however, that the support that single parents received in the past came typically from within the family. That is a far cry from the clamor today for the government to provide that help through free childcare, direct support checks, etc. Personally, I don’t think the two different types of assistance are anywhere near the same.

By Gandalf, the Grey

April 8, 2008 9:20 AM | Link to this

God, please grant the British the wisdom to block this site so we need not read the drivel from that EXPAT! Amen

By Archie

April 8, 2008 9:28 AM | Link to this

Thank you again for your intelligent input here on W2W. After listening to that nut-case whiley all day yesterday, I was ready to commit Hari-Kari. All blustering aside, it is my deep desire to see our society move in a better direction. Unfortunately, with all the one-sided male-bashing I see, my hope for a better future for the next generation of children dims each day. Whatever ails marriages these days has to be a two-person problem, and therefore requires a two-person solution. Bruno,I agree with almost everything in that paragraph.

Kimberly, the topic was about the bedroom escapades of POLITICIANS and that male-bashing thing tried to turn this into forum on prostitution and the bad habits of men, well of course the men are not going to acknowledge any points because the male-bashing thing is extreme. The san franscisco newspaper has published at least two articles on women that make six figures prostituting so I can’t feel sorry for everybody in that situation and furthermore you have legal brothels in Vegas. I am amazed that in one county in the entire country people are allowed to engage in an activity that is illegal everywhere else!!! and yet those people in Vegas are American citizens. We do so many contradictory things in this country when it comes to sex and then we wonder why our politicians have problems with their bedroom escapades. Female politicians have bedroom escapades as well as the men and Lyrazel mentioned a few yesterday. My one word answer to the topic question is still no but if you cost your city millions of dollars or you are out there molesting folk then your bedroom activity matters.

By USinUK

April 8, 2008 9:33 AM | Link to this

Bruno -

That is a far cry from the clamor today for the government to provide that help through free childcare, direct support checks

Bruno - you have a choice - either tell single moms they don’t have to work so they can stay home until the sprogs are off to school or tell the mom to work but at least provide her with a solution for who is going to care for her kids and how. Otherwise, all you’re doing is creating a situation of neglect.

And don’t give me the “they should have thought about that before they had kids” - what about the women whose partners up and leave them? Or die?

This is why the whole “government shouldn’t be doing this - it should be up to local churches and charitable institutions to solve this problem” DOESN’T WORK. Look at the poverty in the cities and rural areas - look at the spread of disease - look at the malnutrition - look at the child neglect/abandonment that was going on prior to government intervention. Those were the days when the church and charities were asked to carry the load - they couldn’t handle it then, they sure as heck can’t handle it now.

By USinUK

April 8, 2008 9:45 AM | Link to this

Gandalf -

(air kisses)

By Shannon, M.Div.

April 8, 2008 10:02 AM | Link to this

For me, there’s a difference between a simple affair (which isn’t acceptable in a spouse but may be acceptable in a public official) and some of the other sexual behaviors we’ve seen from politicians. I’m a Democrat, but Bill Clinton’s escapades with Lewinsky were problematic for his governance because it showed his willingness to use his political power for personal gain. Furthermore, he was willing to exploit the boss/employee relationship in which he had a great deal more power than Lewinsky. Had Lewinsky wanted to, she could’ve sued him. That’s troubling.

Similarly, Spitzer’s political problem was the obvious hypocrisy of going after that kind of crime and then engaging in it.

You have a long list of Republican serial adulterers/multiple divorcees. Sometimes that speaks to governing character, sometimes it just means they’re, er, jerks. I think Giuliani’s family life does speak to his character, particularly as Judith seemed to get involved with his governing in a way that was inappropriate. He wasn’t exactly discreet, either, and if he didn’t care about discretion in his personal life, it made me nervous about putting the country (which already has a lot of egg on its collective face in the world right now) in his hands.

Foley was another Republican example of horrifying conduct, of course, and since soliticing intimacy with minors is (and should be) illegal, he had to go. Similarly, Larry Craig (protests notwithstanding) exhibited hypocrisy; it seems absolutely impossible that he didn’t offer the usual signals in that stall (particularly since he signed a statement saying he did just that).

Hypocrisy is a big no-no for a politician or political figure because it’s terribly arrogant—it’s telling the public, “you shouldn’t do this, but I have the right to do it because I get more privileges than you.” William Bennett’s gambling, I think, falls into this category, and certainly Rush Limbaugh’s drug abuse does. I’m sympathetic to the average person’s downfall from grace, and I am a believer in redemptive opportunities, but hypocrisy makes that downfall much harder to overcome.

In short, there are three issues here regarding sexual behavior of our public figures: legality, discretion, and hypocrisy. Politicians are charged with the law, of course, so legality is paramount. Discretion speaks of their ability to separate public from private lives as well as their concern for an image that people can respect. Finally, hypocrisy exposes a shallow arrogance that should never be part of a politician (or a clergyperson, or an executive, etc).

By Bruno

April 8, 2008 10:06 AM | Link to this

Bruno - you have a choice - either tell single moms they don’t have to work so they can stay home until the sprogs are off to school or tell the mom to work but at least provide her with a solution for who is going to care for her kids and how. Otherwise, all you’re doing is creating a situation of neglect.

Any suggestions for achieving the best solution, i.e. helping families stay together? Are divorce laws too weak? Are the requirements to get married, or have kids too minimal?

I don’t have any good answers, other than mandatory birth control for all ladies over the age of 11, which might not be acceptable. ; > }

By USinUK

April 8, 2008 10:21 AM | Link to this

Bruno -

mandatory birth control for all ladies over the age of 11

only if there is a corresponding “mandatory rubber bands for all boys over 11” (and I’m not talking about putting it on their wrists!)

helping families stay together? Are divorce laws too weak? Are the requirements to get married, or have kids too minimal?

ummm … requirements to have kids??? eep. talk about your slippery slope. you don’t trust government to provide child care, but you want it to decide who is “allowed” to breed???

me, I’m a big believer in pre-marital counseling - getting people to talk about their expectations, differences, etc, BEFORE they go traipsing down the aisle. I’m not a huge fan of the Catholic church, but pre-marital counseling is something they’ve always done very well.

As far as “is it too easy to divorce” - In VA, if you’re divorcing and kids are involved, there’s a mandatory 1-year waiting period - however, I don’t know that that’s made ANY difference in the divorce rates.

By lozen

April 8, 2008 10:32 AM | Link to this

USinUK, thank you for your educated and thoughtful commentary this morning at 9:06 and again at 9:33!

By USinUK

April 8, 2008 10:41 AM | Link to this

good morning, Lozen!!
and thanks!

By Bruno

April 8, 2008 11:04 AM | Link to this

Looks like you’re queen of the blog now, USinUK. ; > } You do provide a “liberal” voice of reason, as well as being sociable to all.

Well, I finally got some good news. The ex-, ex- GF wrote to me this AM and wants to get back together. Not the “liberal” one I dated last year, but the “conservative” one I dated for 3 years from 1992-1995. I truly loved, admired, and respected her, both for being a good person and for being a phenomenal mother. The red hair didn’t hurt either. Hopefully, I won’t lose my temper so much this time around due to outside stresses. Pray for me, guys.

By Bruno

April 8, 2008 11:07 AM | Link to this

Kisses to you too, lozen. : > }

By USinUK

April 8, 2008 11:10 AM | Link to this

Bruno -

good luck with the ex … (a 13 year gap is a bigun!!)

By Bruno

April 8, 2008 11:11 AM | Link to this

ummm … requirements to have kids??? eep. talk about your slippery slope. you don’t trust government to provide child care, but you want it to decide who is “allowed” to breed???

Eugenics to the rescue! Seriously, how does it make sense for children to have children, or for unfit parents who are unable to provide for their kids to have child after child. Some people have proposed mandatory sterilization for those who are unfit. I hear yo about the slippery slope, just looking for answers. OR is the answer, once again, that we’re screwed??

By Bruno

April 8, 2008 11:19 AM | Link to this

a 13 year gap is a bigun!!

Major Ooops—that should have read 2002-2005. We had a great time overall. We ran the Peachtree Road Race together a few times before she hurt her back lifting her disabled daughter. I’ve missed her every day since she dumped me.

By USinUK

April 8, 2008 11:33 AM | Link to this

Bruno -

how does it make sense for children to have children, or for unfit parents who are unable to provide for their kids to have child after child.

I do understand how you feel … it’s frustrating for EVERYone to see some 15-year old girl with her pregnant belly out to here smoking a Marlboro (yep, that was an actual sight on the train platform one morning on my way to work). You just take one look, shake your head and think to yourself “well, that’s another kid we can write off.”

But, the solution can’t be to just take the infant away from the mom. People have been known to actually rise to the challenge and be good parents, despite being single teenagers. You can’t tar an entire group with the same brush.

As for forced sterilization for people who have proven themselves unfit - my knee-jerk reaction is a slow and painful death for anyone who hurts a child. Again, though, I worry that forcibly sterilizing one group of people (no matter how worthy they may be) just opens the door for “and illegal immigrants … and drug addicts … and people with genetic defects … ” slippery. slope.

By lozen

April 8, 2008 11:37 AM | Link to this

Bertrand Russell : The essence of the Liberal outlook lies not in what opinions are held, but in how they are held: instead of being held dogmatically, they are held tentatively, and with a consciousness that new evidence may at any moment lead to their abandonment.

By Bruno

April 8, 2008 11:41 AM | Link to this

As for forced sterilization for people who have proven themselves unfit - my knee-jerk reaction is a slow and painful death for anyone who hurts a child. Again, though, I worry that forcibly sterilizing one group of people (no matter how worthy they may be) just opens the door for “and illegal immigrants … and drug addicts … and people with genetic defects … ” slippery. slope.

Yep, we’re definitely screwed again! Have a great evening, USinUK. I’ve got to go attend to business.

By USinUK

April 8, 2008 11:44 AM | Link to this

lozen …

… dangerous words … you may be accused of being a flip-flopper ;-)

seriously, though - that’s a great quote!

By Mara

April 8, 2008 1:29 PM | Link to this

“Law and Order” had a re-run last night centered on a inner city Health Clinic nurse who was sterilizing at-risk young women without their permission.

IMO and with a nod to the Catholics, etc on the board who might disagree (every sperm is sacred? LOL!) I don’t see much objectionable with “universal” sterilization of both genders at puberty as long as such sterilization was safely reversable (at no charge) for anyone who successfully completes a minimum educational curriculum and passes a reality-based parenting class. On “opt-in” for parenthood would ensure that every child born is a child wanted…

the only problem is finding that safe, easily reversible sterilization method…

By Facts Are

April 8, 2008 1:48 PM | Link to this

Women can’t trust any man, especially men with any power at all. This sort of thing happens all too often.

A Forest Park police officer has been fired after being charged with rape, sodomy and sexual assault while forcing himself on a woman in his patrol car, authorities said.

I thought all patrol cars were equipped with cameras?

By Facts are

April 8, 2008 2:13 PM | Link to this

Should men be allowed to even hold such positions of power in religion?
What would happen to islamic religion? Would a female pope get rid of dangerous old rules?

A polygamous community in Texas that follows the teaching of The Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints practices pedophilia, torture and child abuse under the guise of a religion, according to a woman who escaped the sect with her eight children five years ago. “I think it’s a form of pedophilia hiding behind a religion as a protection,” Carolyn Jessop told TODAY’s Matt Lauer from Salt Lake City on Tuesday. “There’s just a desire to control and manipulate and torture people, and religion is just used as the cover.”

By Mara

April 8, 2008 2:16 PM | Link to this

Facts Are - Women can’t trust any man, especially men with any power at all

I can’t agree with that. Though we feminists might find it exasperating at times, MOST men are annoyingly helpful and tiresomly protective. MOST men do not rape. MOST men do not beat women.

Even if one takes the statistic “1 in 3 women will be abused by a man…” That STILL implies that 66% will NOT be harmed by a man. We can wrastle with the exact percentages, but MOST men are as decent as MOST women are.

Of course, I’m only speaking of men raised in modern, western nations. I carry no water for gender-oppressive societies.

By Monica

April 8, 2008 2:23 PM | Link to this

the only problem is finding that safe, easily reversible sterilization method

I’m in agreement with you Mara. I would think that the govt. could save money. What costs more: reversing a vasectomy or paying for childbirth and subsequent raising of said child on Medicaid? This option makes the abortion issue go away as well. STD’s might be on the rise, however.

By Archie

April 8, 2008 2:40 PM | Link to this

*MOST men do not rape. MOST men do not beat women.

Even if one takes the statistic “1 in 3 women will be abused by a man…” That STILL implies that 66% will NOT be harmed by a man. We can wrastle with the exact percentages, but MOST men are as decent as MOST women are.* Thank you Mara!! I may not post anymore because I can’t add anything to that.

Well, I will say the Kwame Kilpatrick is deeper than what Shanti reports. A former attorney general was involved in that he was investigating Kilpatrick for corruption but Kilpatrick knew that the attorney general was having an affair so the attorney squashed the investigation but somehow when that attorney general got out of office the investigation Kilpatrick continued and thus the rest of the story as Shanti reports. Anyway the bedroom escapades of the former attorney general basically caused him to be in a position where he couldn’t or wouldn’t do his job. Shanti could have pounded this angle but she was so busy trying to pick at democrats she missed a golden opportunity to pound her point home. My answer to the topic question is still no but you have evaluate each situation differently.

By Mara

April 8, 2008 2:46 PM | Link to this

Hi, Monica! What costs more: reversing a vasectomy or paying for childbirth and subsequent raising of said child on Medicaid?

Exactly! And not to say that the need for foster care or a juvenile justice system would disappear, but the costs should be much lower because there’ll be fewer “throw away” children. Fewer “in the system” means better care for the ones in need. Theoretically, there’ll be a corresponding drop in adult addicts, abusers, and convicts!

But…as positive as the outcome sounds, I certainly wouldn’t advocate banning anyone from procreating, and I’d even say that the parenting classes and minimum education could be rendered irrelevant if someone were to pay for the reversal operation from private funds.

I certainly don’t feel comfortable saying who shall or shall not be allowed to breed.

By Bruno

April 8, 2008 2:49 PM | Link to this

I can’t agree with that. Though we feminists might find it exasperating at times, MOST men are annoyingly helpful and tiresomly protective. MOST men do not rape. MOST men do not beat women.

I’m in agreement with you Mara. I would think that the govt. could save money. What costs more: reversing a vasectomy or paying for childbirth and subsequent raising of said child on Medicaid? This option makes the abortion issue go away as well. STD’s might be on the rise, however.

Mara and Monica—It’s nice to hear from some of the more sane women bloggers today. More power to both of you! I hope JokesOn and I were of some help in muzzling Truth/The Other Jack. Is there anything you can do to quiet whiley? ; > }

Keep praying that I start working soon, and I will be out of your collective hair as well.

By Bruno

April 8, 2008 2:55 PM | Link to this

As for the “1 in 3” figure, what standard of abuse is being used, BTW? Do you mean physical assault? I’ve actually known several men, including myself, who have been “physically assaulted” by a woman without returning the favor. Not that I would ever deserve poor treatment from a woman….You can’t blame the victim, right? ; > }

As for your observations about 3rd-world and Islamic countries, Mara, I’m with you. They need to modernize as quickly as possible. Do you have any hope that the Iraq War can lead to a more positive life for the women there? I do.

By Bruno

April 8, 2008 3:01 PM | Link to this

It’s possible that cultural standards could change with time, but I’ve heard that many men who have had the big “V” miss a critical part of the, shall I say, “happy ending”. Nothing to show for the effort,if you know what I mean. I don’t have to worry because I’m either sterile or extremely non-fertile, not sure which.

If you can’t come up with any volunteers, I’ll gladly serve on The Eugenics Commission. But don’t worry, I don’t discriminate based on race. Only the ability to care for the child.

By Facts are

April 8, 2008 3:11 PM | Link to this

An Alpharetta Christian youth leader who was eager to become an ordained minister has been accused of repeatedly molesting two teenaged girls. The Rev. Derek Gillet, pastor of the Cornerstone Community Chapel in Forsyth County, was arrested Friday on two counts of aggravated child molestation and two counts of sodomy.

By Mrs. RepubLady

April 8, 2008 3:21 PM | Link to this

Women can’t trust any man

Why, that’s just not true! Certainly not if you count all the men who SAY to women, “Trust me. You can trust me. Really you can.” That women later regret their decisions when their trust is betrayed is totally beside the point! It’s a woman’s place to trust, forgive and trust again. Otherwise, she’s just a hateful b!tch. Let’s think of cruel things we can say to hateful b!tches who don’t trust when instructed to do so.

By Bruno

April 8, 2008 3:29 PM | Link to this

It’s a two way street, Republady. Can you ever smile again?

By Vasectomy

April 8, 2008 3:44 PM | Link to this

“The sperm-filled fluid from the testes contributes about 10% to the volume of an ejaculation (in men who are not vasectomized), and therefore a vasectomy does not significantly affect the appearance, texture, smell or flavor of the ejaculate.”

More than anyone wanted to know, I’m sure.

By Mara

April 8, 2008 3:44 PM | Link to this

Bruno, I have to admit that I’m a sucker for a sweet talkin’ man, and you’ve been spreading it pretty thick lately! :^)

I know whiley can be a bit much but at least she only comes by every once in a while, throws her granades, and then she’s off again. We all try to calm her down while she’s here, but…well…mostly it doesn’t work. Ah, well. Just gotta keep trying.

the “1 in 3” figure, what standard of abuse is being used, BTW? Do you mean physical assault? I’ve actually known several men, including myself, who have been “physically assaulted” by a woman

The 1/3 number is generally accepted as accurate and is a composit of statistics from many groups including the AMA, the Bar Association, the Department of Justice, HHS, and assorted anti-domestic violence groups. Nobody denies that men can also be victims of domestic abuse and those statistics are usually included in any reputable study. The truth is that men are less likely to report abuse and are far less likely than a female victim to be physically injured by it, so the problem is often devalued when discussing domestic violence. Which is unfair and unfortunate…but there you are.

Do you have any hope that the Iraq War can lead to a more positive life for the women there?

No, I don’t see much improvement for them. It’s sad to say that under Saddam, Iraqi women had more opportunities and freedom than they do now. Google “Iraqi women freedom” and check out some of the webpages. It looks pretty grim for women in Iraq and only marginally better for women in Afghanistan. But who can tell how things will work out. Slowly, slowly, painfully slowly…even Saudi Arabia is changing their laws regarding women. They can vote there now, at least.

Ta-ta for now blog buddies. May the peace continue and I’ll catch ya later.

By Mrs. RepubLady

April 8, 2008 3:46 PM | Link to this

Of course I can smile, you disgusting liberal fornicator! My husband is a good godly Republican man, and I have no fear of vile diseases. I trust him completely. Besides, he’s working 16 or 17 hours a day, 6 days a week, as good goldy men do, and has no time to be tempted, and would not stray if he were tempted, because I am virtuous and therefore do not suffer as heathen such as yourself and the liberal trollops you rub up against.

I did have a dream I was in bed with a beautiful talented musician and it was beyond bliss. I woke up smiling, until I remembered myself and went and washed those nasty residuous thoughts away. Behind me Satan!!!

By Bruno

April 8, 2008 3:48 PM | Link to this

Just for you, Republady, I just put on The Smashing Pumpkin’s “Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness”. Do you have that one? I play “tonight, tonight”, “bullet with butterfly wings”, and “1979” when I’m down and want to share Billy’s pain….

By Bruno

April 8, 2008 3:52 PM | Link to this

Ta-ta for now blog buddies. May the peace continue and I’ll catch ya later.

You’re a dear, Mara. Staying sober has helped my mood overall, though I guess I’m a terminal smart-a*.

Hope to see you at the Stone Temple Pilot’s show, Republady. Scott Weiland can really lay it to the pain sensors as well, no?

By Bruno

April 8, 2008 3:56 PM | Link to this

I did have a dream I was in bed with a beautiful talented musician

Um, he didn’t suffer from psoriasis, did he?

Just kidding—I do miss Fuzzy’s, however, but was able to catch your favorite band there before they closed for good.

By Mrs. RepubLady

April 8, 2008 3:59 PM | Link to this

Did this Smashing Pumpkin fellow win American Idol a few season’s ago? If not, then I don’t know him. Probably something liberal fornicators like. I like wholesome American music. The man in my dream looked alot like Michael Bolton. Out of respect for my good godly husband, I’m throwing away our Michael Bolton CDs and the Kenny G albums too, just in case.

By Bruno

April 8, 2008 4:03 PM | Link to this

Sing it, Billy:

That we don’t even care as restless as we are

We feel the pull in the land of a thousand guilts

And poured cement, lamented and assured

To the lights and towns below

Faster than the speed of sound

Faster than we thought we’d go, beneath the sound of hope

By Bruno

April 8, 2008 4:24 PM | Link to this

Care to counter with some JGB (Jerry Garcia Band)? Anything from “Cats Under the Stars” will do.

By Bruno

April 8, 2008 4:52 PM | Link to this

I’m throwing away our Michael Bolton CDs and the Kenny G albums too, just in case.

Try some Grover Washington, Jr. instead of Kenny G., ok, gorgeous? He’s good for the soul.

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April 9, 2008 10:05 AM | Link to this

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I’m not as big of a Monty Python fan as some, but I did enjoy “The Life of Brian”—It (satirically) centered on the life of a kid who grew up next door to Jesus. The three wise men accidentally came to his house first and began piously lavishing him with gifts. Then someone informed them that the Saviour actually lived next door. They then ripped the gifts of incense and myrrh from the tot’s arms and booked on out of there! Hilarious! Brian then developed a “following” for the rest of his life. Too funny!

My favorite individual scene from a Monty Python movie involved the Black Knight in the forest taking on a loudmouth challenger. After he cuts the guy’s arms and legs off, the challenger yells “Come back here, you coward. I’ll bite you to death!”

By Bruno

April 9, 2008 10:11 AM | Link to this

One of my other all-time fav comedy scenes came from “Stir Crazy” with Gene Wilder and Richard Pryor. After a botched robbery, they are thrown in prison and are subjected to various punishments, none of which seem to faze Gene Wilder. When nothing seems to work, his captors chain him to a wall, suspended without support. When they come back the next morning, Wilder squirms with glee and proclaimed “My back never felt better!”. Gotta love it.

Although I wasn’t a huge fan of Gene Wilder’s other work, I did develop a tremendous respect for him after his wife, Gilda Radnor, passed away. He spent a lot of time and money promoting awareness about cervical cancer, which was an under-recognized condition in women prior to that. The comedy team from Saturday Night Live dedicated a very moving tribute show to Gilda as well. Very tragic loss.

By Bruno

April 9, 2008 10:18 AM | Link to this

Any favorite comedy movies, USinUK? I tend to like the more sophomoric ones like “The Hollywood Knights”. Very high on my list is “Used Cars” with Kurt Russell. If you haven’t seen it, I highly recommend it.

On a sad note, they did a story about Patick Swayze last night. He has terminal cancer, and perhaps not much time left. My first date with my then-future ex-wife was to see “Dirty Dancing”, so he’ll always have a special place in my heart. And who can’t love “Road House”, or even “Red Dawn”? Very sad for his family.

By Bruno

April 9, 2008 10:22 AM | Link to this

Busy all day today, but I’m wondering if whiley caught the video last night of the 6 girls who kidnapped another girl and beat her senseless over some kind of MySpace dispute. The girl was knocked unconscious and now has damage to one of her eyes and in one of her ears.

Tell us again about how only men are violent.

By Mara

April 9, 2008 10:29 AM | Link to this

Speaking of Monty Python…the scene where Arthur is asked “What is the air-speed velocity of an unladen swallow?” etc.

By USinUK

April 9, 2008 10:32 AM | Link to this

Bruno -

As far as Life of Brian, I still think my favorite scene is the Sermon on the Mount “Blessed are the cheesemakers? What’s so special about cheesemakers?” “It’s not meant to be taken literally, it refers to the manufacturers of any dairy products.”

Funny stuff, that.

Gene Wilder … my favs are Blazing Saddles and Young Frankenstein … both are absolute classics and have stood the test of time. “Putting on the Ritz” (sooooopah doooooopah”) has to be in (at least) the Top 10 funniest scenes. I agree with you about respecting him after the loss of Gilda Radnor - I’ve never seen anyone so physically show his grief as Gene Wilder did after her death.

By USinUK

April 9, 2008 10:42 AM | Link to this

Bruno -

Roadhouse is tied with Thirteenth Warrior as a movie so bad it comes around the other side to GREAT. I can’t help but watch either of them if I stumble across it flipping channels.

I was sad to hear about Swayze’s cancer - from interviews I’ve seen with him, he seems to be a nice, well-grounded guy. Been with the same wife for decades and just hacked away at his career. And, who can’t love the SNL skit where he and Chris Farley were auditioning to be Chippendale Dancers???

Favorite comedies: Princess Bride, Blazing Saddles and Young Frankenstein (mentioned above), When Harry Met Sally, Better Off Dead, Fletch … those are the ones I can think off the top of my head

As far as the girls in the video - I may have missed something, but I don’t recall anyone here saying only men are violent.

By lovelyliz

April 9, 2008 10:42 AM | Link to this

The only sex life you should worry about is your own and that of your minor children.

By lovelyliz

April 9, 2008 10:45 AM | Link to this

What’s the difference between a politician with a less than fidelitous, righteous sex life and one who doesn’t?

The self righteous on hasn’t been caught yet

By lovelyliz

April 9, 2008 10:45 AM | Link to this

What’s the difference between a politician with a less than fidelitous, righteous sex life and one who doesn’t?

The self righteous one hasn’t been caught yet

By Monica

April 9, 2008 10:53 AM | Link to this

Mara, Why, what do you mean? A European swallow or an African swallow?

Gotta love it!

USinUK, ditto on Road House. I think it’s his hair in the movie that captivates me every time it’s on TBS…

Bruno, have you managed to see Rat Race? It came out in 2001 I believe. It’s a remake of Mad Mad World: simple and stupid humor, and one of my favorites!

By Bruno

April 9, 2008 10:53 AM | Link to this

Without bogging down into boring math discussions, I did want to comment on Bertrand Russell’s “eloquent” definition of a Liberal. Russell is known primarily in math geek circles for his work entitled “Principia Mathematica” in which he, along with Alfred Whitehead foolishly tried to reduce all of mathematics to a “simple” set of postulates, from which all other mathematical truths could be deduced. Without giving all the gory details, he got bogged down in Set Theory when confronted by ideas such as “The Set of all Sets” and “The Set of all Sets which are members of themselves”. It too Kurt Godel (Godel’s Incompleteness Theorem) to show him the error of his ways. To my knowledge, he never fully credited Godel for showing him up.

My personal distaste for Russell comes from his political activism, in which he made it his life goal to slam the US. As such, you’ll have to forgive me for not swooning over his definition of a Liberal.

By Bruno

April 9, 2008 11:01 AM | Link to this

As far as the girls in the video - I may have missed something, but I don’t recall anyone here saying only men are violent.

That seems to be whiley’s premise, along with some of the other man-bashers here on W2W.

By Bruno

April 9, 2008 11:13 AM | Link to this

Bruno, have you managed to see Rat Race? It came out in 2001 I believe. It’s a remake of Mad Mad World: simple and stupid humor, and one of my favorites!

Hey, Monica! I didn’t see Rat Race, but share your taste in comedies: the simpler, the better. I never was a fan of “intellectual comedy”. If I want to think, I’ll read a math book, for crying out loud. Anyone a fan of the early1980s genre of comedy, e.g. “Spring Break”, “Beach Girls”, or “Hot Dog, The Movie”? Show me some nice boobs, and I’m a happy man!

I know, I’m a pig…..

By USinUK

April 9, 2008 11:22 AM | Link to this

Monica -

USinUK, ditto on Road House. I think it’s his hair in the movie that captivates me every time it’s on TBS

you mean the fact that his hair doesn’t move … at. all. … even in the fight scenes???

ahhh … the brilliance of Roadhouse!

By Bruno

April 9, 2008 11:23 AM | Link to this

Strangely enough, Monica, I ultimately found GOD within a mathematical framework. GOD = The Set of All Sets. And though the vaunted Bertrand Russell thought he could capture that idea and put it in a bottle, he was proven wrong by Kurt Godel. Godel showed that any set of postulates used to describe any “system” is ultimately incomplete and self-contradictory. Which is the same thing Jesus tried to explain about the fallibility of Mosaic Law. I know that you don’t need the rigorous mathematical explanation to understand that concept, but I find it very fascinating.

If the 149-IQ genius chuckles ever shows his ugly face here again, I’d like to see him take a crack at defining what a “number” is, or even something simpler like what a “fraction” is, without relying on simply giving examples or on using circular definitions. Hint: Less than 1% of math teachers at the High School level have even the remotest clue.

By Bruno

April 9, 2008 11:26 AM | Link to this

Well, gotta motor. I hope all you beautiful ladies have a blessed day. We finally got some sunshine here in Atlanta, USinUK.

By Mara

April 9, 2008 11:30 AM | Link to this

Monica! LOL! African swallows carrying a coconut!

USinUK - it’s been said before and it’ll be said again…The Princess Bride is one of the BEST movies ever made. Speaking of bad movies that make good…have you seen Bowie in the movie “Labyrinth”?

Btw - the only really good reason to watch Roadhouse is Sam Elliot. He may be about 90, but he looks dammm good for his age! sad about Swayze, though.

By USinUK

April 9, 2008 11:34 AM | Link to this

Well, Bruno -

I can’t define what a number is, but I can tell you some numbers that will cause pain:

$111. That’s the price that oil hit per barrel today.

$3.34. That’s the new average price per gallon, according to AAA.

1.3%. Estimate economic growth for the entirety of 2008 (2007 economic growth was 2.5%).

Tighten those seatbelts, folks … it’s going to be a bumpy year.

By USinUK

April 9, 2008 11:43 AM | Link to this

Mara -

The Princess Bride is one of the BEST movies ever made

Testify!! The movie that spawned a thousand quotes:

“Have fun stormin’ the castle!” “I do not think that words means what you think it means” “Never go up against a Sicilian when DEATH is on the line!”

Timeless humor - another movie that will still be hilarious 50 years from now.

I’ve never seen Labyrinth - is it as badly compelling as 13th Warrior?? (I mean, really … Antonio Banderas as an ARAB???!!! wtf kind of casting was THAT?)

By JokesOn

April 9, 2008 11:45 AM | Link to this

That seems to be whiley’s premise, along with some of the other man-bashers here on W2W.

I’ll show up at the table to discuss solutions to any issue but I am not going to show up to be beat up and blamed for the wrongs of others.

Whiley posts just like TOJ. There might be accurate facts in the post, but the reason is not to discuss solutions but to bash the other side and release anger on those that the generalization do not apply.

That is venting anger and not discussing/debating. And as we all know, Dog and I both do not do well with people who are purely pointing the angry finger.

By lovelyliz

April 9, 2008 12:15 PM | Link to this

Since we’re almost all off topic here, couldn’t somebody remove the viral ads and spam from the this message boards?

By Monica

April 9, 2008 12:26 PM | Link to this

Ahh, Labyrinth. I vaguely remember watching bits and pieces of it when we were on vacation at some point in time, on an HBO channel (we didn’t get cable til I was in high school!). Sam Eliot is also hot in Tombstone. :) And of course, I cannot sing enough praises for The Princess Bride.

Mara and USinUk, did you ever see Real Genius? Val Kilmer’s second movie… it’s another cult classic.

Scary fact: I currently teach freshmen, and they have never seen the essential 80’s movies - no Teen Wolf, no Sixteen Candles, no Pretty in Pink…kinda sad, don’t you think? I wish I could work those into the curriculum!

By Mara

April 9, 2008 12:38 PM | Link to this

I’ve never seen Labyrinth - is it as badly compelling as 13th Warrior??

well, I don’t know about that! Labyrinth never resulted in a world famous actor giving up acting for any length of time (poor Omar Sharif…LOL) but it is definitely in the same “cult classic” genre that 13th Warrior is. I mean, c’mom…we’ve got David Bowie as the Goblin King, Jim Hensen directing, George Lucas producing and the screenplay is by Terry Jones (of Monty Python fame). Some of the scenes are just sooo silly you have to laugh at them. How can you miss with quotes like “…you wouldn’t be so brave if you’d ever smelled the Bog of Eternal Stench” and “Your mother is an aardvark!”?

You should give it a try some Sunday afternoon when there’s nothing on the tellie worth watching :^)

By Cole

April 9, 2008 1:11 PM | Link to this

Last time I check prostitution and adultery is illegal throughout the country except a few counties in Nevada. What Spitzer did and what other politician did was break the law and we cannot have politicians who like to pick and choose what laws to obey.

By El Perro

April 9, 2008 1:20 PM | Link to this

That is venting anger and not discussing/debating. And as we all know, Dog and I both do not do well with people who are purely pointing the angry finger.

I’ll admit to that, JokesOn. I’d like to think I’ll improve one day, but since I’m approaching 50, I might just have to throw in the towel on becoming more diplomatic.

Speaking of “pointing an angry finger”, I did have to throw the finger today at a cell-phone driving idiot who had difficulty noticing that the light had turned green about 30 seconds ago. The idiot tried to wreck me after that. Thank God I carry my gun in my car for moments like that.

If I ever do come down with terminal cancer, I’m going to outfit my car with a steel bumper on the front so that I can put people like that into the ditch.

By El Perro

April 9, 2008 1:25 PM | Link to this

Scary fact: I currently teach freshmen, and they have never seen the essential 80’s movies - no Teen Wolf, no Sixteen Candles, no Pretty in Pink…kinda sad, don’t you think? I wish I could work those into the curriculum!

I didn’t watch any of those that you’ve mentioned here either, not being much of a “brat-pack” fan, Monica. I will confess to having watched “The Breakfast Club” several times, however. It’s the only time I ever enjoyed the work of Judd Nelson.

By El Perro

April 9, 2008 1:29 PM | Link to this

Since I’m in somewhat of a strange mood now, I’m going to go with some Steely Dan for The Song of the Day:

Johnny’s playroom

Is a bunker filled with sand

He’s become a third world man

Smoky Sunday

He’s been mobilized since dawn

Now he’s crouching on the lawn

He’s a third world man

.

Soon you’ll throw down your disguise

We’ll see behind those bright eyes

By and by

When the sidewalks are safe

For the little guy

.

I saw the fireworks

I believed that I was dreaming

Till the neighbors came out screaming

He’s a third world man

By USinUK

April 9, 2008 1:31 PM | Link to this

Monica -

Scary fact: I currently teach freshmen, and they have never seen the essential 80’s movies - no Teen Wolf, no Sixteen Candles, no Pretty in Pink…kinda sad, don’t you think? I wish I could work those into the curriculum!

yeah - I can match that … we just had a tiler over doing some work at our house - the radio had Van Halen’s “Jump” on (released my senior year in high school) - and the tiler was singing along with it.

then, it hit me. that song is actually older than my tiler.

ARRRRRRRGGGGHHHHH!!! how the heck did THAT happen???

By El Perro

April 9, 2008 1:39 PM | Link to this

yeah - I can match that … we just had a tiler over doing some work at our house - the radio had Van Halen’s “Jump” on (released my senior year in high school) - and the tiler was singing along with it.

Ha, Ha. Now we now how old you are, USinUK!

I actually remember when Jimi Hendrix was still coming out with new albums. Just throw a shovelful of dirt on me, will you?

By El Perro

April 9, 2008 1:50 PM | Link to this

Later, taters and gators.

By Monica

April 9, 2008 2:08 PM | Link to this

Might as well jump (JUMP), go ahead and jump (JUMP)… welcome to the song that is now stuck in my head. At least it’s a good one. :)

By Mara

April 9, 2008 2:32 PM | Link to this

Arrrrghhhh!!! (sigh) You’re right Monica…at least it isn’t “It’s a Small World”

By AnotherShovelful

April 9, 2008 3:40 PM | Link to this

Just throw a shovelful of dirt on me, will you?

By El Perro

April 9, 2008 4:18 PM | Link to this

I guess USinUK is gone for the day, but I thought of the perfect song for her, courtesy of Tom Petty:

Well she was an American girl

Raised on promises

She couldn’t help thinkin’

That there was a little more to life somewhere else

After all it was a great big world

With lots of places to run to

And if she had to die tryin’

She had one little promise she was gonna keep

.

Well it was kinda cold that night

She stood alone on her balcony

Yeah, she could hear the cars roll by

Out on 441 like waves crashin’ on the beach

And for one desperate moment

There he crept back in her memory

God it’s so painful when something that’s so close

Is still so far out of reach

By El Perro

April 9, 2008 4:20 PM | Link to this

Did I get to you with the psoriasis reference, AnotherShovelful?

By El Perro

April 9, 2008 4:22 PM | Link to this

‘cuz she was an American Girl!

By lozen

April 9, 2008 4:53 PM | Link to this

“There is no military solution to a problem like that in Iraq.” General David Petraeus Commanding General, Multi-National Force Iraq March 2007

“The fact is, this president never listened to the soldiers on the ground. The problem is not just a military problem. It is a political problem and a diplomatic problem.” General Wesley Clark (ret.) Former Supreme Allied Commander, Europe May 2007

“[America is] not making the progress we need to be making [in Iraq].” General John Abizaid (ret.) Former Commander, United States Central Command October 2007

“Iraq is in a helluva mess.” James A. Baker III Former U.S. Secretary of State October 2006

By El Perro

April 10, 2008 8:19 AM | Link to this

welcome to the song that is now stuck in my head. At least it’s a good one. :)

Glad to know I’m not the only one with O/C tendencies, Monica!

Pretty slow week for news, not much to discuss of real merit.

Does anyone have any opinions about the ongoing interruptions of the Olympic torch ceremonies? As much as I support autonomy for Tibet and increased human rights for all Chinese, I think the efforts to extinguish the Olympic torch are the wrong way to bring attention to the issues. Ditto for the threatened ban on the Opening Ceremonies. The Olympics are supposed to be a time for bringing people together. If China wasn’t qualified to host the Games, then the Olympic committee shouldn’t have awarded them the privilege of being hosts in the first place. It all reminds me of the 1980 boycott of the Games by Jimmy Carter, followed by a reciprocal ban by the Soviets in 1984. In both cases, the boycotts accomplished exactly nada, with the exception of screwing a bunch of athletes out of their opportunity to fulfill their lifelong dreams of competing on an international level. The Olympics should always be above political disputes, IMO. That is the whole purpose for holding them.

By El Perro

April 10, 2008 8:26 AM | Link to this

The only local news story which caught my eye was the arrest of two students in Sandy Springs following a “drug sweep” of their high school using drug-sniffing dogs. That really makes my blood boil. Welcome to Nazi Germany. In the name of the “War on Drugs”, these fascist school administrators are going way overboard. It sounds to me that schools are more like armed internment camps now. IMO, the ends hardly justify the means.

By El Perro

April 10, 2008 8:33 AM | Link to this

On the narcissistic front, I used my new Phillips Sonicare toothbrush for the first time last night. Awesome! I highly recommend them for everyone to try. It cleans your teeth far better than by using a manual toothbrush. The buzzing sensation in your mouth is a little odd, but is tolerable. One of the best features is a built-in timer which beeps every 30 seconds so that you can devote equal time to each quadrant of your jaw.

I didn’t get any responses earlier this week, but would like to know if anyone has a front-loading washing machine. I have to buy a new washer this week, and would like some recommendations.My top-loading Kenmore made it 20 years before dying an ungraceful death.

By Fred

April 10, 2008 8:44 AM | Link to this

Everybody sing!

How do you solve a problem like Sharia? How do you find the nuts and pin ‘em down? How do you fix the way the nations see ya: A bullying jerk; a decadent sleaze; a clown?

One thing’s for sure… the Bush approach hasn’t worked. Who’s next?

By El Perro

April 10, 2008 8:46 AM | Link to this

I had to say goodbye to the Dominican girl already. On top of her ridiculously liberal views, she turned out to be a materialist of the highest degree. After I told her that buying her a Mercedes SUV wasn’t in my future plans, she began to pout. I offered her my crying towel, but she didn’t want to accept. Oh well….

I may have a chance with a nice Ukrainian girl, however, who I’ve been chatting with on and off for several months now. She’s an ultra-conservative like me, and has good personal value including a strong work ethic. She also speaks three languages, and is very intelligent. I impressed her with a note written in the Cyrillic alphabet in her native Ukrainian language. She also was interested to know that I was a Ukrainian dancer as a young man. I was part of a group called “Zoria”, which means “star” in the Ukrainian language.

By El Perro

April 10, 2008 8:52 AM | Link to this

One thing’s for sure… the Bush approach hasn’t worked. Who’s next?

So what’s YOUR solution, Fred? I get so, so tired of REAL clowns like you who can only sit on the sidelines and snipe. I’m all ears, genius. Educate me with your superior knowledge.

By USinUK

April 10, 2008 8:58 AM | Link to this

El Perro -

I actually remember when Jimi Hendrix was still coming out with new albums. Just throw a shovelful of dirt on me, will you?

now, that made me laugh out loud. let’s see … I remember when “Magical Mystery Tour” was released (we had it on 8-track, babbeee!!) … I remember riding in my sister’s frugly green Maverick (with the gear stick on the column) and singing “Ventura Highway” (in the suuuuuuunshine … where the days are longer, the nights are stronger than mooooooonshine … you’re gonna go … I know—ooo—ow-ooo-ow-ooo-ow-ooo-ow-ooooo-ow)

how’s THAT for a good song to get stuck in your head???

By El Perro

April 10, 2008 8:58 AM | Link to this

Same challenge to all the rest of the geniuses here on W2W who have sat on the sidelines and sniped at Bush the past several years. What are your solutions to “changing the hearts and minds” of the violence-loving Muslim leaders around the world? A big group hug?? Frankly, I thin kletting them kill each other off is a rather good idea. It’s only too bad that American troops have to be in the middle of the carnage.

By El Perro

April 10, 2008 9:09 AM | Link to this

now, that made me laugh out loud. let’s see … I remember when “Magical Mystery Tour” was released (we had it on 8-track, babbeee!!) … I remember riding in my sister’s frugly green Maverick (with the gear stick on the column) and singing “Ventura Highway” (in the suuuuuuunshine … where the days are longer, the nights are stronger than mooooooonshine … you’re gonna go … I know—ooo—ow-ooo-ow-ooo-ow-ooo-ow-ooooo-ow)

Ha Ha—You’re absolutely the best, USinUK! I actually owned an 8-track player as late as the early 1990s. My younger sister drove a Maverick for a long time as well. I actually drove—horror of horrors—a yellow Gremlin for a while in the 1980s while delivering pizzas for Dominos.

I love your taste in music, BTW. A few years ago, America came out to Duluth and gave a free concert. It was a beautiful, beautiful night. I went with the love of my life, the redhead. And yes, I’m one of those obnoxious people who sings along at shows, usually at the top of my lungs!

By El Perro

April 10, 2008 9:15 AM | Link to this

Another “musical highlight” for me occurred when traveling cross-country as an 18 yo college student. When passing through Winslow, Arizona, I stooped and stood on a street corner. Unfortunately, no girl in a flat-bed Ford slowed down to take a look at me, but it was a great experience, nonetheless.

Once I got to California, I went to the shore and looked for a burning prophet. And there she was, like an angel, standing in a shaft of light, risin’ up to Paradise. You know I was shinin’!

(You have to be a Grateful Dead fan to know about that one).

By El Perro

April 10, 2008 9:21 AM | Link to this

Sing it, Bobby: “Standing on the beach, the sea will part before me—Fire wheel burning in the air! You will follow me, and we’ll rise up to Glory—way up in the middle of the air!”

By JokesOn

April 10, 2008 9:26 AM | Link to this

What are your solutions to “changing the hearts and minds” of the violence-loving Muslim leaders around the world?

1st: Stop clumping all nations that have an islamic majority together. How many “violence-loving Muslim leaders” can you really name?

2nd: Focus on our own injustices like extremist camps that raise young girls to be sex slaves and breaders.

3rd: Saturate those counties that are in fact violent/troubled with amercian products and tv;) The locals will eventually force their leaders to deliver the same types of goods/freedoms.

4th: STOP alienating countries in the general areas like Turkey.

5th: When the people of a country ask for help, like in iraq a number of years ago, do not abandon them.

Or we could just follow the prime directive like in Star Trek;)

By El Perro

April 10, 2008 9:44 AM | Link to this

1st: Stop clumping all nations that have an islamic majority together. How many “violence-loving Muslim leaders” can you really name?

Every country of the world which employs “Sharia” is a dictatorship in which extreme punishments for even the smallest of crimes are utilized.

2nd: Focus on our own injustices like extremist camps that raise young girls to be sex slaves and breaders.

Agreed, but those injustices aren’t perpetrated by our political leaders. They are perpetrated by self-appointed “religious” leaders. BTW, have you watched “Jonestown” yet, JokesOn. It should be mandatory viewing for all Americans.

3rd: Saturate those counties that are in fact violent/troubled with amercian products and tv;) The locals will eventually force their leaders to deliver the same types of goods/freedoms.

It is my understanding that that has already happened. Iranians love American blue jeans, etc. Unfortunately it hasn’t stopped them from supporting Ahmadinejad.

4th: STOP alienating countries in the general areas like Turkey.

That one is a little more complex. We have to balance our support for Turkey with our support for other countries like Greece, who hate the Turks.

5th: When the people of a country ask for help, like in iraq a number of years ago, do not abandon them.

Agreed. We still haven’t lived down the stain of abandoning the Kurds, nor even the botched Bay of Pigs invasion, in which Kennedy pulled back on the air cover at the last minute.

Or we could just follow the prime directive like in Star Trek;)

I’m not a Star Trek fan, or a fan of Sci-Fi in general, so I’ll have to take your word on that one. ; > } Thanks for your effort.

By USinUK

April 10, 2008 9:54 AM | Link to this

Perro -

And yes, I’m one of those obnoxious people who sings along at shows, usually at the top of my lung

well, if you don’t dance, as well, then I’m not going with ya!! cuz, yes, I’m one of the other nutters singing at the top of my lungs, too.

Jokes -

When I’m elected president, I want you to be my Secretary of State!!!

By El Perro

April 10, 2008 9:54 AM | Link to this

I am starting to get a little concerned by McCain’s ongoing gaffes and confusion between the Sunnis and the Shiites. Maybe he is getting a little senile… If he chooses Condi Rice for his running mate, I will feel a little more reassured.

On the Democratic side, I used to think it was a good idea for Hillary and Obama to team up as well in order to consolidate their voting base. Hillary as Prez and Obama as VP would be very sensible, in that Obama could gain needed experience, and still be young enough to run for Prez later. If Obama wins the nomination, however, I’m not so sure it would be a good idea. I mean, would you want to be the person for which a single bullet would stand between you and Hillary for her to be President?? I wouldn’t want to take that chance personally.

By El Perro

April 10, 2008 10:00 AM | Link to this

well, if you don’t dance, as well, then I’m not going with ya!! cuz, yes, I’m one of the other nutters singing at the top of my lungs, too.

You know I’m a dancin’ fool, baby!!

Jokes - When I’m elected president, I want you to be my Secretary of State!!!

Can I be in charge of The Ministry of Truth? (A little nod to George Orwell).

By El Perro

April 10, 2008 10:09 AM | Link to this

BTW, how wide is your caboose, USinUK? You CAN’T be as perfect as I imagine that you are!!

Yes, I’m also a total pig!

By JokesOn

April 10, 2008 10:11 AM | Link to this

Every country of the world which employs “Sharia” is a dictatorship in which extreme punishments for even the smallest of crimes are utilized.

My point was that “islamic” does not have as much to do with it as people think. The atrocities are pretty evenly distributed among all religions and philosophies. If you counted up all the fascists islamic nations you would not have many compared to non-islamic…

Agreed, but those injustices aren’t perpetrated by our political leaders. They are perpetrated by self-appointed “religious” leaders. Our political leaders have ignored many of those injustices and the local politicians were part of the hushing.

It is my understanding that that has already happened. Iranians love American blue jeans, etc. Unfortunately it hasn’t stopped them from supporting Ahmadinejad. My understanding was that teher was a major push for a more western style government, and then GWB actions re-ignited the fires. There were a number of protests.

That one is a little more complex. We have to balance our support for Turkey with our support for other countries like Greece, who hate the Turks. Only very minorly so and not really worth mentioning. Having had extensive travel time in both I know that is old info that no longer applies. Only the cyprus issue exists and that is pretty contained.

Prime Directive: In the fictional universe of Star Trek, the Prime Directive, Starfleet’s General Order #1, is the most prominent guiding principle of the United Federation of Planets. The Prime Directive dictates that there can be no interference with the internal affairs of other civilizations, consistent with the real world concept of Westphalian sovereignty. It has special implications, however, for civilizations still at a ‘pre-warp’ stage of development, since no primitive culture can be given or exposed to any information regarding advanced technology or the existence of extraplanetary civilizations, lest this exposure alter the natural development of the civilization. In addition to exposure, purposeful efforts to improve or change in any way the natural course of such a society, even if that change is well-intentioned and kept completely secret, are prohibited.

When I’m elected president, I want you to be my Secretary of State!!! I would be honored;)

By USinUK

April 10, 2008 10:26 AM | Link to this

Jokes (and Perro)

8 My understanding was that teher was a major push for a more western style government, and then GWB actions re-ignited the fires. There were a number of protests.*

it’s hearbreaking how right you are on this. Iran actually had moved towards the center (okay … well away from the Ayatollah-right) - primarily led by the young people in the country. our invasion of Iraq enabled the rightists like Ahmadinajad to inflame the militants into voting moderates out of office.

(although, I will grant that their moderate president Khatami wasn’t making as much progress as the people wanted - primarily because he was stymied by the rightists)

By USinUK

April 10, 2008 10:29 AM | Link to this

Perro -

Can I be in charge of The Ministry of Truth?

well, I definitely won’t be putting you in charge of sensitivity training! ;-)

nah … you have some good ideas on taxes, though I don’t agree with all of them - I might put you in with my economic advisors

By USinUK

April 10, 2008 10:32 AM | Link to this

Perro and Bruno -

and I think we ALL know who I’m appointing to the Department of Education … CHUCK!!!

baha … baha … baahahahahahahahahahaha

By JokesOn

April 10, 2008 10:41 AM | Link to this

and I think we ALL know who I’m appointing to the Department of Education … CHUCK!!!

Too Funny!!!

By El Perro

April 10, 2008 10:42 AM | Link to this

Prime Directive: In the fictional universe of Star Trek, the Prime Directive, Starfleet’s General Order #1, is the most prominent guiding principle of the United Federation of Planets. The Prime Directive dictates that there can be no interference with the internal affairs of other civilizations, consistent with the real world concept of Westphalian sovereignty. It has special implications, however, for civilizations still at a ‘pre-warp’ stage of development, since no primitive culture can be given or exposed to any information regarding advanced technology or the existence of extraplanetary civilizations, lest this exposure alter the natural development of the civilization. In addition to exposure, purposeful efforts to improve or change in any way the natural course of such a society, even if that change is well-intentioned and kept completely secret, are prohibited.

Sounds good on paper, but in our real world full of evil humans, I think we need a “world cop”. Unfortunately, the UN isn’t competent or honest enough to fulfill that role. If we have to pick a single country to be “world cop”, I’d much rather it be the US than anyone else.

By USinUK

April 10, 2008 10:51 AM | Link to this

Lyra -

where are you??? when I’m elected President, I want you in my cabinet … whattaya say … Justice Department? Would you like to be my AG?? I think you could do some seriously good work there!!!

By El Perro

April 10, 2008 10:54 AM | Link to this

it’s hearbreaking how right you are on this. Iran actually had moved towards the center (okay … well away from the Ayatollah-right) - primarily led by the young people in the country. our invasion of Iraq enabled the rightists like Ahmadinajad to inflame the militants into voting moderates out of office.

(although, I will grant that their moderate president Khatami wasn’t making as much progress as the people wanted - primarily because he was stymied by the rightists)

Wish I could agree with your optimistic assessment, but I think the facts speak otherwise. The actual truth is that the average citizen of Iran is fairly moderate, and always has been. The leadership, even Khatami, have always been nut-jobs. BTW, the average age of the citizenry of ran is still somewhere around 25 years old. They’re not old enough to have obtained any real wisdom in choosing their own leadership.

well, I definitely won’t be putting you in charge of sensitivity training! ;-)

I understand.

and I think we ALL know who I’m appointing to the Department of Education … CHUCK!!!

OMG, give me a sword right now. I’m definitely going to choose Hari-Kari over chuck’s leadership in education. Dinosaurs on Noah’s Ark??? Puh-leeze.

Well, gotta run and participate in some “golf therapy”. In my mind, you have a tiny caboose, USinUK. Imagination is always better than the real thing, no?

By JokesOn

April 10, 2008 10:57 AM | Link to this

I think we need a “world cop”. Unfortunately, the UN isn’t competent or honest enough to fulfill that role. If we have to pick a single country to be “world cop”, I’d much rather it be the US than anyone else.

I disagree that a single country, much less the US, should be a world cop. I would rather continue to evolve the UN. The US isn’t competent or honest enough to fulfill that role solo;)

By USinUK

April 10, 2008 11:09 AM | Link to this

Jokes -

I disagree that a single country, much less the US, should be a world cop. I would rather continue to evolve the UN. The US isn’t competent or honest enough to fulfill that role solo;)

see??? and this is why you’d be so perfect for Sec of State. Now, who should we pick for our UN Envoy???

By JokesOn

April 10, 2008 11:10 AM | Link to this

The actual truth is that the average citizen of Iran is fairly moderate, and always has been.

One could say the same thing regarding the 60s in the US, but there was a movement that made a difference from the less than 25yo minority.

I would not say I was optimistic, yet I am also not going to be a pessimist and sabotage potential. Self fulfilling prophecies are real and have to be watched.

By lozen

April 10, 2008 11:21 AM | Link to this

Ah, Jokeson, The Prime Directive, which of course they were always, always ignoring! They interfered in every world they came into contact with! I loved it!

By Dictionary

April 10, 2008 11:53 AM | Link to this

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Pendejo

I doubt Lozen meant No. 6. All the others though.

By JokesOn

April 10, 2008 11:54 AM | Link to this

lozen

Using his real name, although posted before, is totally inappropriate no matter what you think of him.

By NetBanker

April 10, 2008 1:36 PM | Link to this

Hey kids! Been busy traveling for work the past two weeks and now need to play catch up in the office. Very quickly about the topic (and without having read either columnist’s position)…IMO, no it shouldn’t matter. I’m not electing someone based on what they do in the bedroom. We don’t have a religious test and I don’t think we should have a bedroom test either. At a really quick skim of a few poster’s opinions who say it should matter they all seem focused on infidelty. Would these same people elect someone if they knew that the politician was 100% faithful , but the politican and their spouse were into some really kinky, nasty sexual practices?

And what does one’s sexual activities have to do with JOB performance (provided one is not in the sex business to begin with)? To extrapolate what I assume to be Shaunti’s position (that yes, it should matter), shouldn’t everyone be subject to a bedroom test in order to get a job? Shouldn’t we be worried about the sexual practices of our school teachers, for example? Doctors? Police Officers? EMT’s? Isn’t there some ‘public trust’ factor that they should uphold even if they’re hired instead of elected? If a politician’s bedroom escapes are enough that they should resign, should we really have police officers that have been unfaithful to their spouse because who knows if they’d be able to objectively apply domestic abuse laws? What about a male school teacher who wears women’s underwear when he’s romping with his wife? It’s all a bit ridiculous isn’t it?

If people want to worry about or focus on bedroom exploits then they should go no further than their own bedroom!

By WhatHappened

April 10, 2008 1:36 PM | Link to this

Using his real name, although posted before, is totally inappropriate

Big step down from criminal act mentioned a few weeks ago.

By JokesOn

April 10, 2008 2:02 PM | Link to this

Big step down from criminal act mentioned a few weeks ago.

It is a big difference than putting his address up. Meh.

By El Perro

April 10, 2008 2:10 PM | Link to this

Using his real name, although posted before, is totally inappropriate no matter what you think of him.

Thanks for the support again, JokesOn, but it’s likely a lost cause trying to reason with lozen. Sadly, she’s like a lot of people I’ve met in life—bitter about the poor choices she’s made along the way, yet unwilling to ever take any responsibility for her own part. I think her greatest bitterness on W2W is the fact that almost no one ever pays her any attention or responds to her one-sided negative posts.

mediocre educations and careers and toe the conservative party line. They both quote Rush! They love Bush (he’s never, ever done any wrong), and they both have minds closed to anything except the buzzing whine of their own huge ego!

Nice try, lozen. While your descriptions might be accurate about chuck, they are not for me. I don’t love Bush or quote Rush Limbaugh, all references to “femi-nazis” aside. I attended the most selective engineering college in the world, and have proven the veracity of my education with numerous discussions about real science. After paying for my own education, I worked hard and retired at age 45.

So what have you done in life, other than use your former good looks to get menial jobs along the way? And now that you’re a dried up old hag, you’ve got almost nothing to show for your efforts. So wallow in your bitterness, I don’t care. Keep cut-n-pasting other people’s political opinions and think that you’ve added something to the discussion. I’ve challenged you and your new “friend” Fred numerous times to come up with alternative solutions to the problems you perceive in the world, and you come up empty every time. So long for the “good ol’ days” on W2W all you want, they’re gone.

By El Perro

April 10, 2008 2:16 PM | Link to this

Thanks again for the interesting discussions, JokesOn, USinUK, and NetB. I’ve got too much work to do to hang around here anyway, and can’t compete with the lowlifes like lozen, chuck, and Chilao who, when defeated, have to resort to publishing personal info. It’s been obvious to me and others that Shaunti and Andrea ran out of fresh ideas for discussion long ago, and are unwilling to stop the spam.

Look in the mirror, lozen, and notice all the lines in your face from all your bitterness. My face still looks young, which is why I can still attract women in their late 20s and early 30s. Have your stinking blog back. You don’t hold a candle to some of the real thinkers here like USinUK anyway.

By El Perro

April 10, 2008 2:23 PM | Link to this

light a candle for relief from the onus

P.S. lozen—Nice misuse of the word onus, which I coincidentally used correctly earlier this week. I know,I know, having to come with your own thoughts is too great of a burden for you…

See you later, loser.

By Dictionary

April 10, 2008 2:32 PM | Link to this

Lozen has correct usage; so much for education.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/onus

By JokesOn

April 10, 2008 2:34 PM | Link to this

Thanks for the support again, JokesOn, but it’s likely a lost cause trying to reason with lozen.

“Thanks” is not needed. Just for clarification; if you posted lozens (or Chucks for that matter) real name I would have responded the same. Wrong is wrong.

her one-sided negative posts

It is too bad that the only discussions she ever contributed to were regarding the anti-men themes.

By El Perro

April 10, 2008 2:48 PM | Link to this

Lozen has correct usage; so much for education.

Sorry, kimberly. It is not used correctly in a contextual way. Very similar to your repeated misuse of the semi-colon. Just so you know, a semi-colon is only used when two statements can’t stand alone, but are connected in a way such that a conjunction would be an appropriate alternative. In your statement above, the most correct grammatical structure would be to use two sentences. You’re lucky I’m not your editor, or you would be making $12 per hour.

By El Perro

April 10, 2008 2:53 PM | Link to this

It is too bad that the only discussions she ever contributed to were regarding the anti-men themes.

Don’t forget the constant anti-Bush themes, with no remedies ever offered. The good ol’ days here on W2W consisted of one hateful comment after another from the liberal Peanut Gallery, with no real rebuttal offered from the conservative side. The only “conservative” who posted regularly was chuck, who isn’t actually a conservative. Occasionally Kevin would offer some rebuttal, but he took off long ago. 2D was a good poster, but was more of a moderate.

Oh well, such is life….

By Archie

April 10, 2008 3:09 PM | Link to this

I am not taking lozen’s side but it does seem and I say seem that someone has some mental issues. Posting with different names then posting every 5 minutes points to someone with mental problems. Now having mental problems does not make you a bad person but I am sitting here looking at posts spaces about 6 minutes apart coming from the same guy and that’s strange to me. I thought the people that posted here were serious compared to other blogs where there’s nothing but racism and stupidity but there seems to be so many folk with mental issues posting from that man-hating thing to the thing with multiple names. I certainly wish the blog would go back to the way it was….Sorry JokesOn I had to just say something and although the real name may not be right it still doesn’t change what I said in the aforementioned statements.

By El Perro

April 10, 2008 3:17 PM | Link to this

I am not taking lozen’s side but it does seem and I say seem that someone has some mental issues. Posting with different names then posting every 5 minutes points to someone with mental problems. Now having mental problems does not make you a bad person but I am sitting here looking at posts spaces about 6 minutes apart coming from the same guy and that’s strange to me.

I’ll take your opinions under consideration, Archie. Don’t forget that I’ve been one of the few posters who has been willing to wade through your own rambling posts and show respect for your opinions.

By JokesOn

April 10, 2008 3:19 PM | Link to this

Sorry JokesOn I had to just say something and although the real name may not be right it still doesn’t change what I said in the aforementioned statements.

No apology needed. Different issues that are not contingent on each other though. And I have to give Dog credit for his self-awareness; he does not deny his ocd tendencies. Where-as the other crazies are light-years away from admitting they have any bias/issue what-so-ever.

Give me screwy, but self aware, people any day but keep the denial ridden folk away please;) Besides the people with denial issues, none of us are that much ahead or behind anyone else.

Hope all is well.

By El Perro

April 10, 2008 3:20 PM | Link to this

Well, I guess I better run before I start getting threatening emails again.

By El Perro

April 10, 2008 3:24 PM | Link to this

Give me screwy, but self aware, people any day but keep the denial ridden folk away please;) Besides the people with denial issues, none of us are that much ahead or behind anyone else.

I’m with you, JokesOn. Pretty laughable that anyone here thinks they don’t have issues. Including self-denial, which is usually one of the worst.

You’re a good guy.

By JokesOn

April 10, 2008 3:25 PM | Link to this

I certainly wish the blog would go back to the way it was…

I do not remember it as fondly as many seem to on here. I remember john27 ranting and pi$$ing people off as well as norman and whiley.

I agree that I miss 2d and many of the metered bloggers, but not sure if I would blame Dog. I think the blog, like many things, has seen its “summer of love” and reality has now returned.

By Archie

April 10, 2008 4:10 PM | Link to this

JokesOn, it was 72John and I liked him. But Norman and Whiley did tick people off but you had Brian Curtis,JBM,Renee,Gina,Justin, and so many that posted but not every 5 minutes!! You had a guy named Eaton and you didn’t have as much craziness as you do now compared to other blogs. The reason I blogged here is because I did not think it would be as degenerate as other blogs are. As for rambling there has been a good many people to appreciate my writing and I only heard complaints when someone disagreed with something that they fully understood. JokesOn, WTW was a very good blog. I know people in person that are conservative and I never call them names but there have been some crazy behaviors on this blog in the last 8 months…

By JokesOn

April 10, 2008 4:35 PM | Link to this

Archie,

Yeah, you are right there were a lot of good people. I never liked 72john though.

As for rambling there has been a good many people to appreciate my writing and I only heard complaints when someone disagreed with something that they fully understood.

I am not one to point out writing styles;) I rush through writing my posts when I can find the time and know a lot of errors get through. I would actually like to take the time to write clearly all the time (i think how one writes can be taken as respect for the audience, or lack of) but people have to understand that this is a blog and most of us are at work.

By Archie

April 10, 2008 4:53 PM | Link to this

but people have to understand that this is a blog and most of us are at work. True. JokesOn everyone that writes here is better than what I see on so many other blogs. I see some errors and I know I leave out words but you’re right this is a blog and JokesON just the fact that you understand that shows some maturity. I liked the topic this week and I wish there more posts on the topic with examples and counterpoints but it is what it is. The Kwame Kilpatrick story is better than a fictional movie, I mean you have politics,adultery,corruption,strippers, and a little racism all in that one story. Spitzer is another example why sex addiction is not just an excuse for a guy acting out but a genuine behavior in need of counselling.

By lozen

April 10, 2008 5:31 PM | Link to this

JokesOn, You want to talk about inappropriate! I know he’s someone you know, okay. But when someone is such an onus … 1. a difficult or disagreeable obligation, task, burden, etc. Excuse me though. Perhaps I did use the wrong word. Maybe it should have been simple to understand - something like a*-ole. I do not have to prove anything to you, Dog, or anyone else on a flippin’ blog. You can go on and on in your crazy mind- imagining how I look, what I do, who I do it with and being wrong about all of it. You don’t know much about my personal life. I would never give enough personal info on a blog to allow someone to look me up and publish my name and address. So much for how smart you are! I have friends to ask and the sense to read consumer info, so I don’t need the advice of people on a blog about what to buy. I have friends who wish me luck; I don’t need people I don’t know to wish me luck in my love life! I do not vomit up every little bit of my personal life onto this blog as you do!

You keep calling me a male basher and that is so funny. You’re the one who has put down women over and over. You put down women who simply do what you do - sc-ew anybody they can get their hands on.
You have put down sexual smells of women, called your ex girlfriend a “ho,” called women femi-nazis (Rush’s word, but, of course, you don’t quote Rush). You have lowered every conversation about sexuality to the lowest common level… your level. I don’t hate all men. I have a son, a companion, and friends who are wonderful men. But yes, I do hate men like you. I hate women like. I hate men who think all those notches on their belts make them studs, but women with a lot of notches are “wh-res.” I hate men and women who think every mediocre thought that rises in their poor sick minds is so terribly important they have to spew it out even though nobody wants to hear it. Men and women who are so deluded about how intelligent and educated they are. Men and women who constantly put down what others think and say. Men and women who want to decide for every woman what they need to do before they get an abortion. I can just imagine you in a group talking and talking and talking, saying nothing but never shutting up about your nothing, and never even pretending you’re interested in what anyone else has to say. I don’t like punks like you who are so self absorbed all they can do is deliver monologues in the presence of witnesses and call it conversation! I hate it that you found this blog and took it over and so many people gave up and left because they can’t stand you. You may be 50 but emotionally you’re a 15 year old punk.

By JokesOn

April 11, 2008 8:37 AM | Link to this

I know he’s someone you know, okay.

As I stated: “Just for clarification; if you posted lozens (or Chucks for that matter) real name I would have responded the same. Wrong is wrong.”

Actions are not contingent on other people’s actions. The fact that you would deny that what you did was wrong is too bad but telling as is your false belief that I called you out because Dog is somehow my friend.

By Idiocy 101

April 11, 2008 8:52 AM | Link to this

I’m not sure why I’m wasting my time trying to make sense with an imbecile like you, lozen, but I’ll give you the attention that you so dearly crave for just a minute to address your nonsensical explanation of why you think it’s somehow justified to publish personal info about someone on a blog.

JokesOn, You want to talk about inappropriate! I know he’s someone you know, okay. But when someone is such an onus … 1. a difficult or disagreeable obligation, task, burden, etc. Excuse me though. Perhaps I did use the wrong word. Maybe it should have been simple to understand - something like a-ole.

First of all, if you and your not-quite-as-smart-as-she-thinks-she-is blog buddy had bothered to read further down the dictionary link she provided, you would find a couple of examples of the correct contextual usage for the word onus. From the link: “The onus was on the defense attorney”, and “The onus is on him to prove his theory”. To call someone an “onus” only reveals the lack of real education on your part. Couple that with the fact that you have never used that particular word on the blog before I used it earlier this week, and you might see why I think you’re somewhat intelligence-challenged.

I do not have to prove anything to you, Dog, or anyone else on a flippin’ blog. You can go on and on in your crazy mind- imagining how I look, what I do, who I do it with and being wrong about all of it. You don’t know much about my personal life. I would never give enough personal info on a blog to allow someone to look me up and publish my name and address. So much for how smart you are! I have friends to ask and the sense to read consumer info, so I don’t need the advice of people on a blog about what to buy. I have friends who wish me luck; I don’t need people I don’t know to wish me luck in my love life! I do not vomit up every little bit of my personal life onto this blog as you do!

Hmmm—pretty ironic coming from someone who has revealed plenty of info about your private life—everything from the fact that your “companion” is 20 years younger than you to the fact that your ex-husband pushed you down the stairs when you were married. And if W2W represents simply a “flippin blog” to you, why do you have such an incredible emotional investment in it that you have written to the ajc several times complaining about the mean blogger who keeps hurting your delicate feelings, and now have stooped to publishing personal info about people you can’t debate in any honest way? The bottom line is that blogging exists only in the world of fantasy. But, because you are a far-left winger, I can understand how the line between fantasy and reality becomes easily blurred.

You keep calling me a male basher and that is so funny. You’re the one who has put down women over and over. You put down women who simply do what you do - sc-ew anybody they can get their hands on.

Unlike you, I don’t put all women (or men) in just one category. Other than erroneously dating a herpes-ridden liberal ‘ho last year, I’ve dated only high-quality conservative women in the past. In fact, I never even thought of demanding to have STD testing done before meeting that scurv.

I don’t hate all men. I have a son, a companion, and friends who are wonderful men. But yes, I do hate men like you. I hate women like. I hate men who think all those notches on their belts make them studs, but women with a lot of notches are “wh-res.”

If you want to brag about how many men you’ve slept with, have at it. See how much respect you get.

I hate men and women who think every mediocre thought that rises in their poor sick minds is so terribly important they have to spew it out even though nobody wants to hear it. Men and women who are so deluded about how intelligent and educated they are. Men and women who constantly put down what others think and say.

Then you must hate yourself, lozen, because virtually every thought you have is mediocre. I can prove my intelligence, and have done so here on the blog by being able to discuss a wide range of topics. You’re basically a one-note wonder: “Bush bad—men bad”.

Men and women who want to decide for every woman what they need to do before they get an abortion.

My only suggestion regarding abortion relates to the concept of “Informed Consent”. Every other medical procedure in the US, with the exception of abortion, requires full disclosure by the doctor as to the potential negative side effects. If abortion is as great is you claim it is, why do you oppose full disclosure of the facts? I thought liberals were all about the facts, and never got caught up in mindless dogma like those on the far-right.

I can just imagine you in a group talking and talking and talking, saying nothing but never shutting up about your nothing, and never even pretending you’re interested in what anyone else has to say. I don’t like punks like you who are so self absorbed all they can do is deliver monologues in the presence of witnesses and call it conversation!

Pretty funny statement. If you would get your head out of your butt, you would see that I have back-and-forth conversations every time I come by W2W—that is conversations with people who are worth conversing with like USinUK, JokesOn, and NetB. One-sided Bush/man-haters like you are impossible to converse with, because you ultimately can’t think on your own. Your idea of “conversation” seems to be some “clever” post like Fred’s yesterday—full of venom, but ultimately liberal fluff. I’m sure you loved the good ol’ days on W2W when you and your cheering squad fell over yourselves at the likes of 72John.

I hate it that you found this blog and took it over and so many people gave up and left because they can’t stand you. You may be 50 but emotionally you’re a 15 year old punk.

Pure Lib drivel. 90% of the people who left cited reasons such as “Too busy at work to blog”, “Tired of the repeated topics”, and “Offended by the pornographic spam which Shaunti and Andrea are unwilling to stop”. If you hate the fact that I’m here, you’re always welcome to leave and find a blog more to your liking. Or better yet, try to think of something worth discussing once in a while. In my observation, it is YOU who is the most ignored blogger. And not because you are a “liberal”. More because you have nothing to offer the blog—and likely the world—than your endless bitter complaints of how everything is someone else’s fault.

By Idiocy 101

April 11, 2008 9:06 AM | Link to this

The bottom line, lozen, is that you are a hypocrite of the worst kind. You feel free to call me a pendejo, but cry foul when I return fire and call you a puta. You refer to men as body parts, like prick, but hit the roof if I use a phrase like P-whipped or skank. You like to think that “liberals” are somehow wonderful, tolerant, progressive, compassionate people, but when it comes down to it, you’re far more close-minded and intolerant of other views than the worst religious zealot.

Actions are not contingent on other people’s actions. The fact that you would deny that what you did was wrong is too bad but telling as is your false belief that I called you out because Dog is somehow my friend.

I totally agree with JokesOn that the most dangerous people on Earth are the “rationalizers” like you, chuck, and Chilao—people who can justify any evil-doing on their own part by linking it to some perceived fault of their targets—people who can’t separate fantasy from reality. If I were so motivated, I could likely track chuck and Chilao down based on clues they left on the blog about where they worked. But frankly, I have no desire to. I don’t really care what bloggers do in real life. Why do you?? And BTW, for someone who claims to ignore what I have to say, you seem to have an amazing ability to recall things I said more than a year ago.

So there, lozen, I gave you the attention you’ve been longing for. Now go to work with those long fingers of yours and get yourself off, and leave the real discussions to people who actually have something to say, will you?

By USinUK

April 11, 2008 9:10 AM | Link to this

90% of the people who left cited reasons such as “Too busy at work to blog”, “Tired of the repeated topics”, and “Offended by the pornographic spam which Shaunti and Andrea are unwilling to stop”.

… and then, as if - on cue - you got the blog entry right after … Perro - you’re a magic man! how’d you do that???

By Proposal

April 11, 2008 9:22 AM | Link to this

Proposed new Name for W2W - Whine to Whine

By lozen

April 11, 2008 9:25 AM | Link to this

I’ll give you the attention that you so dearly crave Uh uh. I’m the one who goes on and on and on about all my investments, all the money I’ve made, all the women I’ve dated, what a great school I went to, how I’ve never had any complaints about my pecker, how much math I know! Yeah, I’m the one who craves attention alright.

I can prove my intelligence, and have done so here on the blog by being able to discuss a wide range of topics. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. In your fantasy world.

By Idiocy 101

April 11, 2008 9:37 AM | Link to this

If anyone does choose to discuss issues, here are the reasons I could never support either Obama or Hillary. I had to pull the info from the yahoo.com website, because apparently the uber-liberal ajc has given up all pretense of actually reporting news in favor of celeb gossip and inane discussions about reflections in VP Cheney’s sunglasses.

HEALTH CARE

Both say they have a goal of providing universal coverage and will try to lower costs to make it more affordable. The biggest difference is that Clinton would require everyone to get health insurance while Obama would not. Clinton says her plan is the only one that is truly universal because people won’t get coverage unless they are required to, similar to auto insurance. Obama says people will get insurance only if they can afford it.

I’m so glad that both Obama and Hillary “know what’s best for me” and are willing to use the point of a gun to extract money from me so that I am forced to pay for other people’s poor health due to their poor lifestyle choices. The comparison of health care insurance to auto insurance is completely invalid. Auto insurance is essentially liability insurance—it protects other people we might harm due to an auto accident. Poor lifestyle choices primarily affect the one making the poor choices.

HOUSING

Both want to help homeowners facing foreclosure, but Clinton’s plan includes a five-year freeze on interest rates for all subprime mortgages, which often go to borrowers with the poorest credit. Obama disagrees with the proposed freeze, saying it will drive up interest rates and keep other people from getting mortgages.

Both candidates also support legislation to help homeowners with “underwater mortgages” — meaning their homes are worth less than the mortgage. That legislation would provide government guarantees for their mortgages, but Clinton wants to go one step further than Obama. She wants the federal government to buy underwater mortgages and reduce payments to a level homeowners can afford.

Brilliant plan: Give anyone who purchased a home they couldn’t afford more of MY money so that they can continue to live in luxury while I continue to live below my means. The upshot of all these “bail-out” schemes is simple: No lender will ever give out a “sub-prime” mortgage ever again, so that poor people will NEVER have a chance at home ownership. Pure genius.

EDUCATION

Obama has called for something that irks teachers’ unions. He says educators should be rewarded based on performance as long as test scores aren’t the sole measure. Clinton says she would support merit pay, as long as it was based on school-wide performance and not the individual teacher.

At the college level, both want to provide more tuition relief through tax credits — up to $3,500 for Clinton and $4,000 for Obama. Obama also would require something Clinton does not. Students would have to perform 100 hours of community service to qualify each year.

Total crap. Teachers make good money already, all their whining about long hours aside. No other job I know of provides 4 months of vacation per year. I’m all for merit pay, but it needs to be linked to some objective measure, like test scores. Hillary’s plan would only serve to punish teachers who choose to work in “disadvantaged” schools. Group-think at its worst.

RETIREMENT

Both candidates say they would help low- and middle-income workers set up personal retirement accounts and provide government matches for the first $1,000 saved annually. But they would go about it differently.

Clinton would match 100 percent for families earning $60,000 or less, with smaller breaks for those earning up to $100,000. Obama would match 50 percent of the first $1,000 for families making less than $75,000.

A chicken in every pot! And just where does the money come from for all these “matching” schemes? Oh that’s right, from other people. Can anyone say “Income Redistribution”?

On Social Security, Clinton has refused to say publicly what options she would consider to keep the system afloat long term. Obama has said the best choice is to raise Social Security taxes on people earning more than $200,000.

How about fiscal responsibility across the board? No, too much work. Let’s just redistribute the wealth.

FOREIGN POLICY

The debate over whether the president should directly negotiate with rogue leaders has been one of the most prominent issue differences in the campaign. Obama says he would meet with heads of state in places like Cuba, Iran and North Korea. Clinton says those meetings could be used for propaganda and her first response will be outreach through other diplomatic channels.

Hmmm. An actual difference in their platforms. Hillary sound suspiciously “conservative” on this one.

IMMIGRATION

Another much-discussed division: whether to give driver’s licenses to illegal immigrants. Obama says yes, for safety reasons. Clinton says no.

So Obama wants to reward illegal immigrants with a driver’s license, while Hillary pretends to be a conservative once again.

TAXES

Both candidates would repeal Bush’s tax cuts on wealthy Americans to pay for their programs. Obama also has a plan for across-the-board tax cuts for most workers. Clinton doesn’t support Obama’s plan because of it $80 billion cost and because it would apply to families with significant incomes. Obama’s campaign says it would begin a phase-out for households that earn around $150,000.

More income redistribution. If Hillary felt so bad about the “rich” not paying enough taxes, why doesn’t she offer to kick in more of that $109,000,000 that she and Bill earned the last 7 years? As populist liberals, there is nothing stopping them from voluntarily giving while not pressing a gun to the side of the head of the rest of us.

By JokesOn

April 11, 2008 9:37 AM | Link to this

Proposal,

Here is a proposal: Posts by random name switches to hide identity is a self proclamation of an stupid scared little boy/girl.

Any posts by such bs names is automatically considered by a childish blogger.

By Idiocy 101

April 11, 2008 9:44 AM | Link to this

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. In your fantasy world.

I’m all ears, lozen. Impress me with your knowledge about…anything. But I don’t mean to interrupt your “Big O”. You’ve gotten the attention that you can’t get by discussing history, politics, religion, mathematics, philosophy or any other topic which I can offer a reasonable, knowledgeable opinion about. Maybe you can find some more cut-n-paste quotes to substitute for real discussion.

Though I wasn’t there, and have never assaulted a woman, I have a good guess as to why your ex-husband pushed you down the stairs. Of course, nothing is ever your fault. You’re just an innocent angel……

By chuck

April 11, 2008 9:45 AM | Link to this

Good morning.

Wow, step away for a couple of days and look at the multiple meltdowns that occur. Can’t we all just get along? NO? That’s okay. Getting along is not much fun anyway.

I can’t believe how upset you folks get over the “personal” stuff. Why would ANYBODY care what some blowhard on a blog thinks about anything. The truth is that most of us come here with few if ANY expectations. Personally, I like seeing people foam at the mouth (figuratively speaking, of course). Face it people…no problems are getting solved here so none should be created here. If you have a problem with what some anonymous person (with the exception of dog) says, it’s YOUR PROBLEM. I’m guessing nobody else cares one way or another.

It’s a BLOG. We all need to get over ourselves. Luckily, now that this blog has become less entertaining, I’ve come across a couple of others that are actually fun to participate in, so I’ll be here less. The people in them don’t start whining every time their poor little ideas are challenged. Don’t lose heart though. I’ll stop in every once in a while to remind you how ignorant you are Bruce. I can’t call you “dog’ any more because that is an insult to Man’s Best Friend.

By Proposal

April 11, 2008 9:50 AM | Link to this

Posts by random name switches to hide identity is a self proclamation of an stupid scared little boy/girl. Any posts by such bs names is automatically considered by a childish blogger.

Thank you. Care to mention while you are at it who started all the many-names-posting? It is supposed to be a sign of extreme intelligence. To have many different posting names.

By Idiocy 101

April 11, 2008 9:50 AM | Link to this

Any posts by such bs names is automatically considered by a childish blogger.

Gotta bust you on that one, JokesOn. ; > }

Perro - you’re a magic man!

And I’ve been told that I have “magic hands” as well, USinUK. I hope that you’re a Heart fan as well, so that you catch the reference.

Out of curiosity, does anyone ever remember lozen offering anything other than man-bashing, Bush-bashing comments, along with one-sided cut-n-paste quotes and “statistics”? Didn’t think so.

By Archie

April 11, 2008 9:51 AM | Link to this

JokesON, what was your blog name years ago? Also women don’t like to admit they’re wrong in person or on a blog. If they sleep with a married man a la Christine Beatty, well, they will not be making any apology and another example is Monica Lewinsky who never has apologized for her behavior in that situation or Karrine Stephans who basically is making a living talking about all the men slept with married or single. Having said all that Lozen is a good woman and she makes some good points!!!

By Idiocy 101

April 11, 2008 9:54 AM | Link to this

It’s a BLOG. We all need to get over ourselves. Luckily, now that this blog has become less entertaining, I’ve come across a couple of others that are actually fun to participate in, so I’ll be here less. The people in them don’t start whining every time their poor little ideas are challenged. Don’t lose heart though. I’ll stop in every once in a while to remind you how ignorant you are Bruce. I can’t call you “dog’ any more because that is an insult to Man’s Best Friend.

Challenge away, chuckles. You haven’t been able to debate me on any topic, ever. BTW, pretty funny lecture coming from the man who not only published personal info about me, but bragged that he had done the same thing two times previously. You’re a real man, chuck.

By Idiocy 101

April 11, 2008 9:59 AM | Link to this

So, chuck, you got any more crackpot psuedo-scientific non-Biblical websites you want me to review for you? You’re about as smart as a pimple on my butt, and a whole lot uglier to boot. In my tenure here, not one person has ever shown any respect for any of your idiotic views. Or even for you as a person. You’re the bottom of the barrel, chuckles. Again, it’s no secret to me why the Georgia school system remains in the basement year after year with idiots like you preaching your nonsense to 8th graders.

By chuck

April 11, 2008 10:11 AM | Link to this

So true Bruce, I AM a real man. You on the other hand are a serial abuser and THAT is NOT a REAL MAN.

You haven’t been able to debate me on any topic

I almost busted a gut. NOBODY can debate you dufus. You are too busy debating (or is it DEBASING) yourself. Go out there and make Harvey proud. Spout a few numbers, call a few names, insult everybody’s intelligence except of course, your own. Sometimes it is fun to watch you self-destruct.

By Idiocy 101

April 11, 2008 10:18 AM | Link to this

And the pornographic spam keeps on rolling….

I’ll tell you what, chuck and lozen. I’ll take another break from blogging and leave you two in charge of coming up with topics worth discussing. I can already predict the results: the comment count will fall to near 100-200 for the week, and everyone will fall asleep from boredom. Neither of you have 1/2 of the vocabulary I have, nor 1/4th of the ability to write creatively.

Have at it, losers.

By chuck

April 11, 2008 10:19 AM | Link to this

Actually bruce, you may want to go to THIS site:

http://www.psk12.com/rating/USthreeRsphp/STATEUSlevelMiddleCountyID_0.html

You will see that in 8th grade, Georgia has actually moved up to 40th.

By chuck

April 11, 2008 10:27 AM | Link to this

I’ll take another break from blogging and leave

You could not do if you tried. You won’t even make it through today without posting. You can’t help yourself.

By JokesOn

April 11, 2008 10:32 AM | Link to this

Care to mention while you are at it who started all the many-names-posting?

If you have your daddy or mommy read/explain what I posted, you may realize that I stated: Posts by random name switches to hide identity is a self proclamation of an stupid scared little boy/girl. Any posts by such bs names is automatically considered by a childish blogger.

Now, it is obvious that dog is not hiding, but showing style (one may argue it is bad style, but harmless none the less) where as you are just hiding and sniping. Bravo.

By JokesOn

April 11, 2008 10:34 AM | Link to this

JokesON, what was your blog name years ago?

Cannot go into that for personal reasons. Plus, it was a play on my real name and I am not putting that out there.

By chuck

April 11, 2008 10:44 AM | Link to this

Here’s a topic for you brucie:

Chiropractors claim their profession was founded in 1895 when Daniel David Palmer restored the hearing of a deaf janitor by “adjusting” a bump on his spine. Soon afterward, he concluded that misaligned bones (“subluxations”) interfered with the body’s expression of “Innate Intelligence” — the “Soul, Spirit, or Spark of Life” that controlled the healing process.

Although philosophy and treatment vary greatly from one practitioner to another, most of today’s 60,000-or-so chiropractors can be classified as “straights” or “mixers.” Straights tend to cling to Palmer’s doctrine that most diseases are caused by misaligned spinal bones (“subluxations”) correctable by spinal adjustment. Some straights, however, maintain that they neither diagnose nor treat diseases, but confine themselves to detecting and correcting vertebral subluxations. Mixers acknowledge that factors such as germs and hormones play a role in disease, but they tend to regard mechanical disturbances of the nervous system as the underlying cause of lowered resistance to disease. Louis Sportelli, D.C., who later became chairman of the American Chiropractic Association’s board of governors, expressed this concept in a pamphlet called “What Kinds of Conditions Do Chiropractors Treat?” which he distributed in the 1980s. The pamphlet stated:

The doctor of chiropractic directs his attention to the spine, searching for an area which is deviant from normal. The deviation or malpositioning of a spinal vertebra may cause a neurological imbalance within the body, setting the stage for lowered resistance, and subsequently a disease process… .

Chiropractic is based on the premise that every gland, organ and cell of the body needs a nerve supply to function properly. Therefore it would seem logical that malfunctions in these areas would also respond to chiropractic adjustments.

It is with this basic thought in mind that the answer to, “What can you treat, doctor?” could be as varied and vast as the nervous system itself.

In addition to spinal manipulation, mixers may prescribe nutrient concoctions, homeopathic products, and various types of physiotherapy (heat, cold, traction, exercise, massage, and ultrasound). Straights tend to disparage medical diagnosis, claiming that examination of the spine is the proper way for chiropractors to analyze their patients. Mixers are more likely to diagnose medical conditions in addition to spinal abnormalities, and to refer patients to medical practitioners for treatment. Some practitioners claim that chiropractic treatment is effective against nearly the entire range of human ailments. A small percentage of chiropractors reject Palmer’s dogma and treat only musculoskeletal problems. I do not believe that spinal manipulation is effective against other problems.

So here is a question we all want an answer to brucie…Are you “straight” or are you a “mixer”?

Here’s ANOTHER question for you brucie. You brag about going to Harvey Mudd, but I haven’t heard you say where you went to school for your chiroquacktic education. You don’t seem to be as proud of that. I’m guessing “Life”. Am I right?

By Archie

April 11, 2008 11:11 AM | Link to this

Cannot go into that for personal reasons. Plus, it was a play on my real name and I am not putting that out there. I understand JokesON. Also JokesOn I agree with your 9:37 am post.

By chuck

April 11, 2008 11:20 AM | Link to this

Hey jokeson. For what it’s worth, I have generally always thought that you were the poster who used to go by the name fatmoose. I guess that shows how much (or little) I know.

I used to agree with him about half the time too.

By JokesOn

April 11, 2008 11:28 AM | Link to this

Hey jokeson. For what it’s worth, I have generally always thought that you were the poster who used to go by the name fatmoose. I guess that shows how much (or little) I know.

I used to agree with him about half the time too.

I do agree that he (i think) and I agreed a lot. Let’s please drop it though.

By Monica

April 11, 2008 12:18 PM | Link to this

I saw this quote earlier today, and since we tend to discuss faith in great detail, I thought I would share this law of Murphy: “Tell a man there are 300 billion stars in the universe and he’ll believe you. Tell him a bench has wet paint on it and he’ll have to touch it to be sure.”

~in my best Westley voice~Why is that, do you think?

By Monica

April 11, 2008 12:22 PM | Link to this

Actually, I should have put in my above comment, ~in my best Dred Pirate Roberts voice~*. I guess I fell victim to one of the classic blunders.

Mara, USinUK, 72John, et al, do you think maybe we could start a Princess Bride blog?

By lozen

April 11, 2008 12:59 PM | Link to this

I’m all ears, lozen. Impress me with your knowledge about…anything. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. Why in the world would I want to impress a creep like you? Spastic, unemployed, self absorbed, dirty minded little freak.

By JokesOn

April 11, 2008 2:24 PM | Link to this

Hey Monica, what’s the definition of pendejo you learned?

I found that it is slang for a lot of terms including a anal hair.

By JokesOn

April 11, 2008 4:51 PM | Link to this

I feel a subluxation coming on.

Come on chuck, besides not being able to show any knowledge in areas you are supposed to actually know, you now are posting about someone else’s job? And a cut/paste post at that.

I have not met such a bs liar since grade-school. Are you gonna keep lying about being a teacher?

By chuck

April 11, 2008 4:59 PM | Link to this

Bite me