Woman to Woman

By Truth

March 30, 2008 8:10 AM | Link to this

“His disadvantage isn’t arising because he’s half black, but because he has spent years being comfortable in a non-mainstream, race-based cultural community that doesn’t appear to see reverse racism for what it is.”

Here, here. Truer words were never spoken.

“Barack Obama’s thoughtful speech on race proved once and for all that he’s ready for the big leagues of politics.”

And this is the problem. Conservatives look at 20 years of exposing himself and his wife to a racial bigot that would easily rival the worst of the KKK. We look at his forcing his children to set under the teachings of such a monster for their entire life. We look at Obama’s first book which is attack after attack after attack on White people.

Liberals look at a single speech. Barrack Obama wouldn’t be the first racist that was able to pen and deliver dynamic and inspiring speeches. Did you really think he was going to publicly agree with Wright? Did you expect him to say: “Yes White America. I have hated you and supported an institution that blames you for all the world’s evils for the past 20 years. There were dozens of other churches in the Chicago Area that didn’t teach such hate for White people, but I chose to support the church that has been known as an anti-white church, and I chose to expose my children to this brand of hate for their entire lives, because I believe what the Reverend said was the truth.”

No. For a slick, national politician who is known for his ability to deliver inspiring speeches to offer anything but a speech that panders to the very people he needs to vote for him is certainly no big surprise. But for so many Americans to ignore this man’s actions for the past 20 years and accept that speech and a few other selectively arranged interviews instead of looking at his actions and his contributions for the past 20 years is a huge surprise.

Later in her post Andrea states “This election could be decided on sound bites and whims, but I’m hoping we’re smarter than that.” But she is ready to forgive his supporting the Black equivalent of David Duke because of a single speech. So Andrea, what was that speech if it wasn’t the equivalent of a very long, very well crafted sound bite?

I can’t believe that she would be that forgiving if John McCain had attended the church of a White Supremacist for 20 years, was married by that white supremacist and donated tens of thousands of dollars for the education of thousands to the mantra of White Supremacy.

Progressives are stuck with Barrack Obama. This is only the beginning of his problems. He spent most of his early career as a lawyer for a slumlord and later became a political operative for a known mobster and criminal.

There are so many good Black people that could have represented the Democratic Party, but you have chosen the most liberal politician in Congress. You have chosen a Black man who has supported an anti-white, anti-integration establishment for 20 years. You can pretend a single speech and political expedient denials of his past 20 years makes it all better.

It doesn’t and don’t expect the rest of the country to turn a blind eye to his life, his writings and the bigots and crooks he has financially, emotionally and physically supported.

The sad thing about this is that if and when Obama loses, most Black people and most Democrats will be convinced that it was evil White Republicans who stole the election from them. It wasn’t. It was Barrack Obama and the choices he has made during his life that stole it from them.

By Lynne

March 30, 2008 8:54 AM | Link to this

Its post like Truth’s that explains the need for more Rev. Wright’s. Obviously “Truth” is blind and deaf - and stupid - for reaching the asanine conclusion on what Rev. Wright or Trinity is about from not more than 30 minutes worth of snippets from his sermons. The man preached for 3 decades on average of 3 to 4 times a week, and clips not equating to .0001% of that determines him? Mind you, if you listen to the WHOLE sermons that the little snippets were taken from, you would see how incredibly stupid it is to reach the conclusion that he is this radical militant that the media is spinning him to be….not that a radical militant wouldn’t be a breath of fresh air from the morons that are Pat Robertson that is continously paraded on talk news shows as some sort of pion of righteousness. The late Jerry Falwell?? There’s your race-baiter (bet he’s shocked where he ended up).

What’s amazing to me is the same people so horrified that anyone could suggest 9-11 was in anyway the USA’s own fault, have no problem reading their wonderful Bible that clearly states a little issue God had with Sodom & Gomorrah and the wrath bought upon it - gee - is that just fiction? Oh, I must be interpreting the bible literally again - that wasn’t a TRUE story at all….right? Those nasty plagues in Egypt…what was that? Oh….must have been global warming and some sort of ebola virus killing off first borns…i swear, arrgance at its best - God wouldn’t do that to us! Now would he??

I don’t know the origin of the HIV virus - but I know the history of the Tuskegee Experiment - and that’s not a myth, that’s a government ADMISSION.

So please stop with this “Oh Rev. Wright scares me, how could Barack not know he was the equivalent of Black Hitler?” bull$hit. If you fear anything Rev. Wright said, in a couple of soundbites, in the pulpit with a mixed attendance in the audience, its probably your own guilty conscious speaking to you - its got nothing to DO with Rev. Wright or Barack or black folks or anything else - just YOU.

By Truth

March 30, 2008 10:06 AM | Link to this

Lynne

Wright the bigot spoke at Morehouse college for the funeral of a famous professor of Egyptology in August. I personally heard the first 15 minutes of that speech. I say I heard the first fifteen minutes because I, like so many other people, both Black and White walked out on his racist and hateful rant against White people. So don’t tell me that I don’t know what I am talking about.

The most damaging of Wright’s racist rants that has been broadcast were purchased by a reporter for ABC News that ordered a collection of sermons that Trinity Church sells as the message of the church. But you try to claim that these words were isolated events.

According to an unedited page from Wikipedia, the nationwide membership of the KKK is around 3,000 members. This one hate spewing church has multiples of those numbers as it’s members. And you are saying that we need more institutions that teach our children hate and bigotry.

I don’t fear what Wright says because the light of truth has shown on that particular bigot. I fear what you said. If you are so uneducated as to believe that HIV was introduced into the Black population to decrease the Black population, that kind of ignorance is dangerous.

I’m going to ask you to attempt to put down your hate for just a few seconds and try to think rationally. Do you think that the powers that would have introduced HIV into the Black community were too stupid to understand that lots of White people have sex with lots of Black people? Do you not realize that for the first several years of the HIV plague that the vast percentile of the number of deaths were from white males?

I knew that my original post would be met with personal attacks and insults. This is going to be a hard week for Democrats on here. I’m expecting a lot more vitriol from people like you who apparently are so full of hate, that you can’t think logically or clearly.

And BTW, that same article about the KKK in Wikipedia had this interesting paragraph about the founders of the second wave of the KKK: Writer Thomas Dixon said his purpose was “to revolutionize northern sentiment by a presentation of history that would transform every man in my audience into a good Democrat!” He subsequently wrote The Clansman and the The Leopard’s Spots, which was the basis for director D. W. Griffith’s The Birth of a Nation, which glorifies the first Klan.

And this is the party that you blindly support.

By Bruno

March 30, 2008 12:39 PM | Link to this

What’s amazing to me is the same people so horrified that anyone could suggest 9-11 was in anyway the USA’s own fault, have no problem reading their wonderful Bible that clearly states a little issue God had with Sodom & Gomorrah and the wrath bought upon it - gee - is that just fiction?

Lynne—Grow up, will you? Your implication that only a religious zealot would find Rev. Wright’s hateful outlook offensive is offensive in itself.

I don’t know the origin of the HIV virus - but I know the history of the Tuskegee Experiment - and that’s not a myth, that’s a government ADMISSION.

No one denies that blacks, American Indians, and other minorities weren’t given a fair shake in this country up until recent times. Fortunately, we’ve moved forward as a people. Have you?? BTW, the AIDS virus has been traced back to monkeys in Africa.

So please stop with this “Oh Rev. Wright scares me, how could Barack not know he was the equivalent of Black Hitler?” bull$hit. If you fear anything Rev. Wright said, in a couple of soundbites, in the pulpit with a mixed attendance in the audience, its probably your own guilty conscious speaking to you - its got nothing to DO with Rev. Wright or Barack or black folks or anything else - just YOU.

I believe the expression “Follow the money trail” is applicable here. The reason folks like Pat Robertson and Rev. Wright continue to spew their hateful message is simple: They make a fine living pandering to the lowest common denominator. And it looks like you’re buying it, hook, line, and sinker.

You’re right, Truth, it’s going to be a long week of more liberal wailing.

By Bruno

March 30, 2008 12:43 PM | Link to this

I stand by the statement I made last week: If we are ever going to move forward as a HUMAN race, at some point all the finger-pointing has to stop. I wish I were more hopeful this would happen, but it appears too many people—both black and white—continue to make a fine living beating on the racist drum.

By Bruno

March 30, 2008 1:58 PM | Link to this

I did not think the discussion was about “why do people suffer?” I thought it was about the way the American health care system is structured so as to be the best in the world for some citizens, and completely out of reach for others.

Frankly, I think the best solution is to do what we have here - nationalized health care with the option to “top up” with private insurance, if you want to. Insurance costs are ridiculously low and it enables you to queue-jump for elective procedures.

Following up from last week’s discussion as to what the most equitable way to administer health care should be, I noticed an interesting discrepancy between two of the “liberal” posters’ positions. The first poster appears to advocate a system in which ALL people have the same exact access to health care, regardless of financial ability. The second poster directly calls for a two-tiered system in which those who can afford to pay extra will be permitted to circumvent the long waiting times which are part and parcel of any socialized medical system. The bottom line is that a truly capitalistic, consumer-driven system delivers the best overall results for everyone involved. Unfortunately, with the current, dishonest third-party payor system, which is essentially quasi-socialistic medicine at its worst, we’re getting the worst of both worlds.

Instead of gnashing teeth all week about racism, I’d rather hear more intelligent discussion as to the merits/drawbacks of capitalistic, consumer-driven industries vs. centralized, collectivist industries in which all consumer choice/freedom is taken away.

But again, you’ve demonstrated your level of caring, so… you’re entitled to your own feelings. No worries for you. Yeah, it’s great to be you. Woo-hoo.

All I can do is try to help in any way I can. I certainly don’t shout at these people that they deserve not having health care or that they could have overcome their challenges and been successful by my standards. I don’t understand the cold hearted way some people do that, esp the ones who call themselves christians. It seems as a nation we’ve forgotten that old saw about “walking in others shoes”! Some find it easy to justify spending billions on a war but can’t stand the idea that a single mother gets welfare (usually for a short period of time). That blows my mind and always will.

Hopefully you ladies caught the FOX news story this weekend which discusses the significant difference in charitable giving by liberals and conservatives. Hopefully, then, you will understand that there are two types of “compassion” in this country: Liberal compassion, which consists of a lot of emotional finger-pointing followed by some scheme to redistribute the wealth in this country by force, and Conservative compassion, which consists of actually rolling up your OWN sleeves and solving problems using your OWN time and money, voluntarily. Any feedback?

By Thoughts

March 31, 2008 9:03 AM | Link to this

Should someone point out to Truth that those former southern racist Democrats are now all Republicans? Which is why most of the south is now considered RED states.

Stay current, dude.

You really need to put on the trout-fishing waders just to read this blog, with all the perpetual bull-crap.

By USinUK

March 31, 2008 9:19 AM | Link to this

Bruno -

Hopefully you ladies caught the FOX news story this weekend which discusses the significant difference in charitable giving by liberals and conservatives

I’m sorry … are you speaking of the book recently released by the (ahem) “independent” Arthur C. Brooks??? The Arthur C. Brooks who is a regular contributer to the WSJ? The Arthur C. Brooks who is a “visiting scholar” with the AEI?

That’s the AEI who also includes in their roll call of scholars and fellows: Newt Gingrich, Lynn Cheney, David Frum, Fred Kagan, Irving Kristol, Michael Ledeen, John Malkin, and Paul Wolfowitz.

What a surprise that a conservative is espousing the idea that conservatives give more to charity than liberals.

I’m shocked. Shocked, I tell you.

By chuck

March 31, 2008 9:25 AM | Link to this

These are the facts about this election. I’m not nearly as concerned about Obama’s racist pastor as I am about Obama’s policy positions. The following are excerpts from an article I read recently. This is why we should oppose Obama…NOT his pastor.

Obama is the single most liberal senator in the entire U.S. Senate. He is more liberal than Ted Kennedy, Bernie Sanders, or Mrs. Clinton.

Walter Mondale promised to raise our taxes, and he lost. George McGovern promised military weakness, and he lost. Michael Dukakis promised a liberal domestic agenda, and he lost.

Obama is promising all those things, and he’s not behind in the polls because the press has dealt with him as if he were in a beauty pageant.

The president’s most important duties are as commander-in-chief. Last summer Obama talked about invading Pakistan, a nation armed with nuclear weapons; meeting without preconditions with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who vows to destroy Israel and create another Holocaust; and Kim Jong II, who is murdering and starving his people, but emphasized that the nuclear option was off the table against terrorists - something no president has ever taken off the table since we created nuclear weapons in the 1940s. Even Democrats who have worked in national security condemned all of those remarks. Mr. Obama is a foreign-policy novice who would put our national security at risk.

For all its faults, our health care system is the strongest in the world. And free trade agreements, created by Bill Clinton as well as President Bush, have made more goods more affordable so that even people of modest means can live a life that no one imagined a generation ago. Yet Obama promises to raise taxes on “the rich.” How to fix Social Security? Raise taxes. How to fix Medicare? Raise taxes. Prescription drugs? Raise taxes. Free college? Raise taxes. Socialize medicine? Raise taxes. His solution to everything is to have government take it over. Big Brother on steroids, funded by your paycheck.

Finally, look at the social issues. Obama had the audacity to open a stadium rally by saying, “All praise and glory to God!” but says that Christian leaders speaking for life and marriage have “hijacked” - hijacked - Christianity. He is pro-partial birth abortion, and promises to appoint Supreme Court justices who will rule any restriction on it unconstitutional. He espouses the abortion views of Margaret Sanger, one of the early advocates of racial cleansing. His spiritual leaders endorse homosexual marriage, and he is moving in that direction. In Illinois, he refused to vote against a statewide ban - ban - on all handguns in the state. These are radical left, Hollywood, and San Francisco values, not Middle America values.

But right now everyone is talking about how eloquent of a speaker he is and - yes - they’re talking about his race. Those should never be the factors on which we base our choice for president. Mr. Obama’s radical agenda sets him far outside the American mainstream, to the left of Mrs. Clinton.

By MoreShock

March 31, 2008 9:29 AM | Link to this

it’s going to be a long week of more liberal wailing

Is that the opposite of what is available on the FOX-News channel regularly?

By Scalia

March 31, 2008 9:45 AM | Link to this

Chuck, If Obama became President, do you think that Congress would go for any of the “promises” that Barrack has made? You being a History teacher should know better than anybody that it is a checks and balances system.

By Newzwyre

March 31, 2008 10:43 AM | Link to this

I don’t know the origin of the HIV virus - but I know the history of the Tuskegee Experiment - and that’s not a myth, that’s a government ADMISSION. and BTW, the AIDS virus has been traced back to monkeys in Africa.

just for the sake of argument, have you ever thought that maybe it wasn’t the black community that was targeted? —

HIV-AIDS was created with the use of Gay men as targets for Eugenic experiments suggests U.S. doctor - by Alan Cantwell, M.D

There is no doubt that AIDS erupted in the U.S. shortly after government-sponsored hepatitis B vaccine experiments (1978-1981) using gay men as guinea pigs. The epidemic was caused by the “introduction” of a new retrovirus (the human immunodeficiency virus, or HIV for short); and the introduction of a new herpes-8 virus, the virus that causes Kaposi’s sarcoma, widely known as the “gay cancer” of AIDS. The taboo theory that AIDS is a man-made disease is largely based on research showing an intimate connection between government vaccine experiments and the outbreak of “the gay plague”

The widely accepted theory is that HIV/AIDS originated in a monkey or chimpanzee virus that “jumped species” in Africa. However, it is clear that the first AIDS cases were recorded in gay men in Manhattan in 1979, a few years before the epidemic was first noticed in Africa in 1982.

It is now claimed that the human herpes-8 virus (also called the KS virus), discovered in 1994, also originated when a primate herpes virus jumped species in Africa. How two African species-jumping viruses ended up exclusively in gay men in Manhattan beginning in the late 1970s has never been satisfactorily explained.

Researchers who claim AIDS is a man-made disease believe it is much more likely that these two primate viruses were introduced and spread during the government’s recruitment of thousands of male homosexuals beginning in 1974.

Large numbers of gay men in Manhattan donated blood for the experimental hepatitis B vaccine trial, which took place at the New York Blood Center in Manhattan in 1978. Extensive evidence supporting the man-made theory of AIDS is easily found on the Internet by Googling: man-made origin of AIDS; and in my two books, “AIDS and the Doctors of Death” and “Queer Blood: The Secret AIDS Genocide Plot.”

[snip]

Beginning in the mid-1970s, government scientists became interested in the health of gay men, particularly in the realm of sexually-transmitted diseases, and specifically in the sexual transmission of the hepatitis B virus. The early 1970s was a time when large numbers of gays come out of the closet and identified themselves as homosexuals at government-sponsored health clinics. Organizations such as the Gay Men’s Health Project were formed at this time. Promiscuous gays were avidly sought as volunteers to test the efficacy of a newly-developed hepatitis B vaccine manufactured by Merck and the National Institutes of Health (NIH).

[snip]

Before 1978 there was no stored blood anywhere in the U.S. that tested positive for HIV or the KS virus. There were no cases of AIDS and no cases of “gay cancer” in young men. The first cases of AIDS appeared shortly after the experiment began in Manhattan.

In June 1981 the epidemic became official and was quickly labelled the “gay-related immune deficiency syndrome”, later known as AIDS.

More at link - http://www.agoracosmopolitan.com/home/Frontpage/2008/03/29/02309.html

By chuck

March 31, 2008 10:43 AM | Link to this

Just a LITTLE disingenuous there USinUK concerning Brooks’ credentials. This is the REAL STORY:

SYRACUSE, N.Y. — Syracuse University professor Arthur C. Brooks is about to become the darling of the religious right in America — and it’s making him nervous.

The child of academics, raised in a liberal household and educated in the liberal arts, Brooks has written a book that concludes religious conservatives donate far more money than secular liberals to all sorts of charitable activities, irrespective of income.

In the book, he cites extensive data analysis to demonstrate that values advocated by conservatives — from church attendance and two-parent families to the Protestant work ethic and a distaste for government-funded social services — make conservatives more generous than liberals.

The book, titled “Who Really Cares: The Surprising Truth About Compassionate Conservatism” (Basic Books, $26), is due for release Nov. 24.

When it comes to helping the needy, Brooks writes: “For too long, liberals have been claiming they are the most virtuous members of American society. Although they usually give less to charity, they have nevertheless lambasted conservatives for their callousness in the face of social injustice.”

For the record, Brooks, 42, has been registered in the past as a Democrat, then a Republican, but now lists himself as independent, explaining, “I have no comfortable political home.”

Since 2003 he has been director of nonprofit studies for Syracuse University’s Maxwell School of Citizenship and Public Affairs.

By chuck

March 31, 2008 10:52 AM | Link to this

So basically Scalia, you are saying that we should elect a president that has no prayer of getting anything done? As a history teacher I understand this:

The power of the presidency in IMPLEMENTATION and ENFORCEMENT is not dependent upon the agreement of Congress. The PRESIDENT is the head of Homeland Security. As such he has the authority to determine WHERE the resources of that department go. He has the authority as Commander-in-Chief to pull troops out of Iraq and thus leave a void that WILL be filled by the Iranians. By the time Congress gets around to addressing the manner of implementation, the damage is done.

As far as social and economic issues go, don’t underestimate the power of the “bully pulpit”…ESPECIALLY in the first term of office. That’s where the concern is.

By HearHear

March 31, 2008 11:06 AM | Link to this

As far as social and economic issues go, don’t underestimate the power of the “bully pulpit”…ESPECIALLY in the first term of office.

of course a rubber-stamp Congress, like we had from 2000 to 2006, helps.

By USinUK

March 31, 2008 11:14 AM | Link to this

chuck -

If I was a regular contributor to Mother Jones and was on the board for Greenpeace, which way would you say I leaned?? hmmmm???

Brooks can say he’s “independent” until the cows come home - his writings and his alliances speak differently.

By kimberly

March 31, 2008 11:20 AM | Link to this

Newzwyre, thanks for the info. I find that easier to believe than the monkeys-in-Africa explanation. A agitated chimp will rip the nads off a man faster than he can say jimminy christmas. A number of young men I went to high school with in Atlanta never made it to 25. They didn’t know such a thing existed, let alone how to treate it, and by the time people found out, it was too late. It spread too far too fast, I think, to have come from one guy who made it with a monkey.

I can only speak for myself on the topic, but Obama’s “multiracial heritage” has had, and will have no conscious bearing on my decision for whom to vote.

By Gilgamesh

March 31, 2008 11:32 AM | Link to this

Obamamania, like Beatlemania, is vulnerable to verbal gaffs. Obama is reeling from a comment he made today about being more popular than MLK. Now, they’re burning his record in the senate. His apology didn’t go well: “I wasn’t comparing me self to MLK as a homie or a player, or whatever it is, but I said it and it was wrong and now there’s all of this….what I meant was that I’ve been on more booty-calls than he…….it’s a good thing…..what?”

By Bruno

March 31, 2008 11:39 AM | Link to this

Just a LITTLE disingenuous there USinUK concerning Brooks’ credentials. This is the REAL STORY:

Jeez—I’m late to the party and chuckles already bailed me out. How embarrassing. The Brook’s research isn’t the first I’ve seen which tells the real story as to which group is putting up their OWN time and money in support of causes they believe in and which group does a lot of bellyaching followed by some governmental scheme to redistribute wealth.

just for the sake of argument, have you ever thought that maybe it wasn’t the black community that was targeted? —

HIV-AIDS was created with the use of Gay men as targets for Eugenic experiments suggests U.S. doctor - by Alan Cantwell, M.D

(Theme from The Twilight Zone playing) I’ve heard the ridiculous rumours before that the HIV virus was a man-made creation designed to “target” specific groups of individuals. I’ve also heard rumours that the moon landing in 1969 was staged on a Hollywood movie set. When you come up with some actual, reputable science to back up this wild claim, let me know. The FACT is that AIDS, or any other transmittable disease, can never be isolated to any specific population of individuals. AND, when you consider the tremendous financial and social costs that AIDS has brought to the entire world, to both black and white communities, to gay and straight communities, it would be a pretty stupid “scientist” who couldn’t foresee the danger to ALL of mankind to introduce a virus which defeats the immune system. As a matter of fact, a very close friend of mine contracted the HIV virus cerca 1979. He’s still going strong due to the fact that he didn’t take the drugs offered by Merck, etc., and has taken his own health care into his own hands.

P.S. USinUK—I used the limey spelling of “rumours” in your honor!

By USinUK

March 31, 2008 11:45 AM | Link to this

just for giggles, I copied the script for Monty Python SPAM sketch and posted it about an hour ago …

… or tried to …

but, it looks like THAT was blocked while we’re being blessed with all kind of other spam posts today …

mmmmm … smell the priorities …

By USinUK

March 31, 2008 11:54 AM | Link to this

Bruno -

why no Perro this week??

The Brook’s research isn’t the first I’ve seen which tells the real story as to which group is putting up their OWN time and money in support of causes they believe in and which group does a lot of bellyaching followed by some governmental scheme to redistribute wealth.

please, to cite.

and, while I’m at it, please to stop with the “liberals want to redistribute all our money”. I’m a loud and proud liberal but I don’t want to redistribute the money. I just want a nice, even flat tax on everyone - no loopholes, no deductions.

(but, no, no “fair tax” which is nothing but a regressive sales tax).

By Bruno

March 31, 2008 12:00 PM | Link to this

The other FAUX News story which caught my attention this weekend was footage of Al Gore jumping off his private jet followed by a story of how the Kennedys are among the biggest individual polluters of this planet. Kind of ironic when you consider that these folks are the biggest loudmouths when it comes to pushing the unscientific claim that “global warming” is cause strictly by human pollution. In addition, if you care to follow the “money trail” once again, you will find out the Al Gore has invested heavily in “carbon offset” companies which stand to rake in billions if Congress is duped into passing “carbon offset” laws. Don Quixote would be proud!

The bottom line on “global warming” is that NO ONE knows the real truth behind the fluctuations in the recorded temperatures around the globe during the past 100 years or so. From a perspective of millions, if not billions of years, 100 years is statistically insignificant. That is unless you think the globe is only a few thousand years old, in which case no intelligent discussion is possible anyway.

No one I know thinks polluting the planet is a good idea, and if the global warming hysteria created by uninformed individuals accelerates the movement toward cleaner technologies, then maybe it’s a good thing. However, there is just as much danger in adopting nonsensical policies which handicap our industries just so geniuses like Al Gore can stuff their wallets full of MY cash while collecting Peace Prizes created by the folks who invented dynamite.

BTW, there was a document signed by thousands of reputable scientists a few years ago stating that there is no known link between global warming and pollution. Conveniently, this is NEVER reported whenever the topic comes up. All we hear is that a “consensus” of Scientist believe the opposite. Yeah, the same scientists who are profiting RIGHT NOW by drawing in more and more funding for their endless “studies” using bogus computer models. Brian Curtis should be proud.

By Bored ALREADY

March 31, 2008 12:05 PM | Link to this

How simplistic (to the point of retardation) to suppose that everyone must be a part of one of two groups and therefore you know what they think and feel. Not even the two distinct groups Men and Women are that simplistically defined once you get to know people. Geez. “See spot run. I are smart. Group A = good. Group B = bad.” Yeah, that makes for an interesting debate. ZZZZ zzzzzzzz ZZZZZZ zzzzzz

By Bruno

March 31, 2008 12:07 PM | Link to this

just for giggles, I copied the script for Monty Python SPAM sketch and posted it about an hour ago …

You’re the best, USinUK, no matter WHAT they say about you…. ; > }

please, to cite.

I’m too tired to google this AM. chuckles, can you bail me out again?

and, while I’m at it, please to stop with the “liberals want to redistribute all our money”. I’m a loud and proud liberal but I don’t want to redistribute the money. I just want a nice, even flat tax on everyone - no loopholes, no deductions.

Sure, as soon as the politicians who identify themselves as liberal get their hands out of my pocket. I’m with you on the no loopholes, no deductions idea. The bottom line remains, however, that a small percentage of folks at the top pay the vast majority of taxes, both here and abroad. You’d never know that based on the endless attacks on “the rich”.

By Bruno

March 31, 2008 12:14 PM | Link to this

If you want to hear something really loco, USinUK, here is MY idea of a “fair tax” scheme: No taxes on either income or consumption while you’re alive, then a 100% “death tax” when you croak. This is the only way I know to create a “level playing field” for everyone who is starting their careers. Though I don’t cry foul like Michele Obama that I had to actually PAY BACK my student loans, it took me years of no vacations to break even on my investment in my education. In the meantime, lots of folks I know, both here on the blog and in the real world, had their entire educations, plus living expenses, paid for by their parents. In my case, I borrowed $32,000, and had to pay back more than $80,000 die to ridiculous interest rates in the 1980s.

Who paid for your education?

By Bruno

March 31, 2008 12:17 PM | Link to this

How simplistic (to the point of retardation) to suppose that everyone must be a part of one of two groups and therefore you know what they think and feel. Not even the two distinct groups Men and Women are that simplistically defined once you get to know people. Geez. “See spot run. I are smart. Group A = good. Group B = bad.” Yeah, that makes for an interesting debate. ZZZZ zzzzzzzz ZZZZZZ zzzzzz

Hmmm…. So I’m guessing that you’ve NEVER spouted off about “neo-cons” and other such garbage, BORED Already. Yeah, right.

By chuck

March 31, 2008 12:18 PM | Link to this

Why am I not surprised that you agree with that load of crap Kimberly? I’m really surprised at you for posting that garbage Newzwyre. If you want the truth about this, consider 2 things:

FIRST, Cantwell is the ONLY DOCTOR who is saying this. AND, his field was hmmmmm…DERMATOLOGY. He also claims that cancer is caused by a bacteria. He is a NUT JOB and his ideas are promulgated by groups like “conspiracy.com” among others.

SECOND, these ideas have been debunked. Go to this link if you want to know the truth about “Dr.” Cantwell’s assertion.

http://www.snopes.com/medical/disease/aids.asp

By Bruno

March 31, 2008 12:20 PM | Link to this

BTW, BORED Already, I put people into two basic categories: Those who take responsibilities for their choices in life, and those who don’t. If you are who I think you are, I know which group you personally fall into.

By USinUK

March 31, 2008 12:23 PM | Link to this

Bruno -

Who paid for your education?

a 50/50 split with my parents - and I worked my patooties off for my 50%!

while your tax scheme is creative, I think the gov’t would be in a world of hurt if they adopted it … I think most people would conveniently run out of money before they died by giving “gifts” to their wives/kids.

and, as far as “the rich” go as a class … hey, I have no problem with them, I just want them to pay what they are legally obligated to pay. if they don’t like their tax bracket, then lobby Congress to change it. god knows, they have the money to spend on lobbyists!

By Newzwyre

March 31, 2008 12:28 PM | Link to this

kimberly, I don’t know where the AIDS virus originated any more than anyone else, but it does seem to have rocketed through the gay male population with amazing speed for a naturally transmitted condition.

chuck, could you attribute the article you’re quoting please? I’d like to check it out.

just a note on Margaret Sanger; like most people, Ms. Sanger wasn’t perfect and did espouse some radical and objectionable ideas, eugenics being one of them. Her views were little different than those of W.E.B. DuBois, Alexander Graham Bell, and the SCOTUS. During her time, (pre-Nazi era) there was more than one state that supported forced sterilization. By todays standards, Ms. Sanger could be considered a monster, as could many other esteemed people. Remember, it’s only been a few decades since American law reflected the equal worth of men and women, let alone of blacks and whites.

Judging historical figures by the harsh light of modern understanding does little to illuminate their character in full, honest context. Even George Washington and Thomas Jefferson owned slaves.

By Archie

March 31, 2008 12:28 PM | Link to this

Obama’s heritage is not a political advantage and I don’t think it’s a disadvantage but there are some people that won’t vote for him because of race and there are some people that will vote for him because of race. His disadvantage stems not from a multicultural background and imperfect loved ones — so many of us share that heritage, those relationships — but from battling Republican operatives who happily torpedo opponents with a swift boat of distortion I agree with Andrea’s aforementioned statement. Let’s point out that Hillary’s former pastor had tremendous praise for Reverend Wright.

I must say this, all of the politicians in this race will equivocate. John McCain admitted months ago his equivocation on the flag issue here in South Carolina and Obama is equivocating when he says he would have left his church if Rev Wright didn’t resign. Hillary, my goodness, told a big lie about sniper fire recently.

By kimberly

March 31, 2008 12:33 PM | Link to this

Chuck, I didn’t say I “agreed” with it. I said I found it easier to believe that it came from medical experiments on gays (that DID occur) than the monkey story (that I just can’t picture, but if YOU can picture that… Eww.) I’m one of those people who just doesn’t believe we have the “whole story” on something just because someone says we do. (Apply that to many topic discussions.) There’s always some tidbit of information that isn’t public, and I’m willing to listen to the theories of others before dismissing them outright. That is, when the theories involve something beyond, “We told you what happend, now stop thinking.”

I’ll admit I’m no expert on viral evolution; do you claim that YOU are? And is it your claim that no one in America hates gays enough to want to kill them, or are y’all too busy “loving the sinner?”

By Bruno

March 31, 2008 12:35 PM | Link to this

while your tax scheme is creative, I think the gov’t would be in a world of hurt if they adopted it … I think most people would conveniently run out of money before they died by giving “gifts” to their wives/kids.

There are already laws on the books limiting gifts to spouses, children, and others to $10,000 per year before you’re taxed. I would continue this tradition, of course. As you have so eruditely pointed out in the past, the best stimulus for ANY economy is fluidity of resources and at least the PROMISE that anyone can be successful through hard work. As I stated before, the wealthiest nation in the world around 1900 was Argentina. They couldn’t hold that position, however, due to their refusal to pass inheritance tax laws along with anti-trust legislation like the US did around the same time.

By Thoughts

March 31, 2008 12:42 PM | Link to this

I don’t know where the AIDS virus originated any more than anyone else, but it does seem to have rocketed through the gay male population with amazing speed for a naturally transmitted condition.

You don’t think high-risk bath-house behavior, anonymous sex in the park, and many other HighRisk behaviors(barebacking, etc) was a factor in the quick spreading among the gay community?

Ground-zero patient, for the USA, was a French-Canadian flight attendant(Dumas?) who picked it up in North Africa, and was prolific with the m-2-m sexual activity. or so the CDC says.

By Thoughts

March 31, 2008 12:48 PM | Link to this

French-Canadian flight attendant called Patient Zero (Normand Fauteux).

By Thoughts

March 31, 2008 12:52 PM | Link to this

Gaetan Dugas, the French-Canadian flight attendant, notorious as AIDS Patient Zero, who claimed to have had sex with 2,500 people across North America

close, it was Dugas; Fauteux was an Quebecois actor in a AIDS-related play.

By Bruno

March 31, 2008 1:04 PM | Link to this

Chuck, I didn’t say I “agreed” with it. I said I found it easier to believe that it came from medical experiments on gays (that DID occur) than the monkey story (that I just can’t picture, but if YOU can picture that… Eww.) I’m one of those people who just doesn’t believe we have the “whole story” on something just because someone says we do. (Apply that to many topic discussions.) There’s always some tidbit of information that isn’t public, and I’m willing to listen to the theories of others before dismissing them outright. That is, when the theories involve something beyond, “We told you what happend, now stop thinking.”

If you bother to check the theories out, it is believed that the HIV virus (called the SIV virus in simians) was transmitted to humans through butchering and eating chimpanzees who received the virus from monkeys through interbreeding.

I applaud your efforts to look beyond the “official” story, but of what value is latching onto every crackpot theory which comes down the pike? Oh, that’s right, because they support your theory that white men are out to sabotage every other group on Earth by hook or by crook. Like P.T. Barnum once said, “There’s…..”

By Bruno

March 31, 2008 1:12 PM | Link to this

Obama’s heritage is not a political advantage and I don’t think it’s a disadvantage but there are some people that won’t vote for him because of race and there are some people that will vote for him because of race.

Archie, thank you for the most balanced, accurate statement anyone has made so far about Obama’s heritage on this blog. To those folks on both sides of the aisle in which race is a primary consideration when selecting a candidate, Obama’s race will continue to be an issue. For those who don’t consider race as a primary factor, it never was an issue. Like chuckles, I can’t vote for Obama because of his socialistic schemes. At the same time, I would vote for Condoleeza Rice in a heartbeat.

I must say this, all of the politicians in this race will equivocate. John McCain admitted months ago his equivocation on the flag issue here in South Carolina and Obama is equivocating when he says he would have left his church if Rev Wright didn’t resign. Hillary, my goodness, told a big lie about sniper fire recently.

The only “us vs. them” feelings I have relate to “us working folks” vs. “them dishonest politicians”. All of them are on the take, at our expense.

By What wall? Where?

March 31, 2008 1:13 PM | Link to this

Somebody is cranky and itchin’ to get mean an’ scrappy. Awwwwwww.

By Newzwyre

March 31, 2008 1:19 PM | Link to this

Hey, I said it was just for the sake of argument :)

By Scalia

March 31, 2008 1:20 PM | Link to this

What I find interesting is that people will believe that it came from monkeys and jumped species, but do not believe in evolution.

And I don’t put anything past the government. I was reading an article a while back about the pharmaceutical companies selling vaccines to Asia that was causing autism in children. I can’t remember what it was in the vaccines that was causing it, but the pharmaceutical companies knew that this was occurring and did not do anything about it.

And Bruno, after the Tuskegee experiment, how could you really just toss those theories away?

By Bruno

March 31, 2008 1:22 PM | Link to this

Somebody is cranky and itchin’ to get mean an’ scrappy. Awwwwwww.

Hey, at least I’m honest about why I come to W2W to scrap/debate. Can you say the same thing?

By Bruno

March 31, 2008 1:27 PM | Link to this

My political anger relates primarily to those in power who lie to further their own agendas, on both sides of the aisle. As for my own personal anger in life, there’s no need to go there. Child abuse isn’t a pretty topic.

BTW, it has been a week or so since…well, you know. Any volunteers to help a brother out? I’m not that picky about looks…..

By NotJokeDay

March 31, 2008 1:30 PM | Link to this

I know it is not JokeDay, BUT:

John McCain went to the Wailing Wall on his recent visit to Israel and was heard remarking that the wall did not look the same as when he had seen it being built.

By Bruno

March 31, 2008 1:42 PM | Link to this

And I don’t put anything past the government. I was reading an article a while back about the pharmaceutical companies selling vaccines to Asia that was causing autism in children. I can’t remember what it was in the vaccines that was causing it, but the pharmaceutical companies knew that this was occurring and did not do anything about it.

Scalia, I know for a fact that the drug companies are there to make a profit, and not really to “help” people. There have been similar problems in the past with the DPT vaccines, in which young children died or had permanent damage from the “P” part of the shot (Diptheria-Pertussis-Tetanus). Many people, like myself, remain suspicious that vaccination is the best way to develop immunity to disease in children. as JokesOn pointed out a while back, children used to play in the dirt, which helped develop natural immunities. Now, in our “sterile” world, this doesn’t happen.

And Bruno, after the Tuskegee experiment, how could you really just toss those theories away?

Yes, corrupt, misguided people have always subjected innocents to cruel, “medical experimentation”. The Nazi medical experiments in the 1940s were VERY cruel, although they led to a lot of great medical insights, as did The Tuskegee Experiments. There are two sides to the issue, however heinous the experimenters were.

By HeeHaw

March 31, 2008 1:45 PM | Link to this

BTW, it has been a week or so since…well, you know. Any volunteers to help a brother out?

The DR has run out of professional virgins?

By kimberly

March 31, 2008 1:46 PM | Link to this

Good point, Scalia. In some countries, they execute gays publicly just for being gay. That wouldn’t fly here, (although we do hold referendums to amend the Constitution to deny them rights they never even had), but after the details of Tuskeegee came out, we know there are Americans who’d use the government in such ways. Can we really just dismiss the idea that people in THIS country would “never do that?”

By Shirley U. Geste

March 31, 2008 1:50 PM | Link to this

Scalia writes “What I find interesting is that people will believe that it came from monkeys and jumped species, but do not believe in evolution”

Really? Why wouldn’t God use his almighty-ness to change a harmless germ into a pestilence so as to smite the abominators while they practice their abominations? (It did sort of get out of hand though, and a few innocent babies, unsuspecting women, accident victims and assorted trasfusion patients ended up dying. But you can’t blame Him. How was He to know that’d happen?)

Yea, great and mysterious are the ways of God Almighty.

By Archie

March 31, 2008 2:13 PM | Link to this

can’t vote for Obama because of his socialistic schemes. At the same time, I would vote for Condoleeza Rice in a heartbeat. Bruno, you are a republican so what you said in the aforementioned statement makes sense. I can’t stand Condoleeza Rice but then I am a democrat. What does not make sense is people, who claim to disagree with the war, who claim to want universal healthcare, yet they say they might vote for McCain. McCain basically is okay with Bush,who has a 31 percent approval rating, so I have no idea what people who claim to be democratic see in McCain. Anyway I do disagree with you Bruno,politically, but at least you are supporting what you espouse.

By Bruno

March 31, 2008 2:20 PM | Link to this

Really? Why wouldn’t God use his almighty-ness to change a harmless germ into a pestilence so as to smite the abominators while they practice their abominations? (It did sort of get out of hand though, and a few innocent babies, unsuspecting women, accident victims and assorted trasfusion patients ended up dying. But you can’t blame Him. How was He to know that’d happen?)

Ad hominem argumentation at it’s best, Shirley. What say you to someone like me who has no illusions about an anthropomorphic Creator, yet still debunks your PC crapola?

What I find interesting is that people will believe that it came from monkeys and jumped species, but do not believe in evolution.

See above statement/question, Scalia. No one argues that changes to species haven’t occurred over time. The core of the argument, however, is whether such changes are due to randomness, as the PC-correct atheistic “Scientists” attempt to argue, or whether such changes are teleological, i.e. “purposeful”. The evidence I’ve seen suggests the evolution is a teleologically directed process. Does this prove the Big-Man-In-The-Sky Theory?? Heck, no, not in a zillion years. It does prove, however, that our current crop of dishonest pseudo-scientists like Brian Curtis are totally full of crapola.

The DR has run out of professional virgins?

Hey, she SAID she was a virgin. Her 9 y.o. son was conceived through an Immaculate Conception. I wouldn’t expect any less from a Castro/Chavez supporter….

By Bruno

March 31, 2008 2:27 PM | Link to this

Bruno, you are a republican so what you said in the aforementioned statement makes sense.

I don’t vote a straight party ticket, Archie. In the last election, I voted for several Democrats here in GA, including a few black Democrats. In my lifetime, I’ve voted about 50-50, but have swung to “the right” in recent years due to all the racial/class warfare engendered by the Dems. Like Joe Lieberman keeps saying, the Democratic Party has been hijacked by the most radical wing, led by “Screaming Howard Dean”.

Can you at least admire the obvious intelligence of Condi? I think Obama is very intelligent, I just don’t agree with his vision for America of higher taxes and less freedom of choice.

By Bruno

March 31, 2008 2:35 PM | Link to this

Well, gotta run down to Showcase on Chesire Bridge Rd. and purchase some camera/video equipment so that I can help lead my profession into the 21st century. Thanks again for your suggestion, Truth, wherever you are today.

While down there, I plan to stop in my favorite tattoo shop, Timeless Tattoo to schedule some more work. My latest project is a portrait of Jerry Garcia taken from the cover of the book “Captain Trips”. Very cool. Self-mutilation is great!

While I’m gone, I hope some more sideline snipers come out of the woodwork to take me on.

By chuck

March 31, 2008 2:45 PM | Link to this

Newzwyre, the article was by a guy named Kenneth Blackwell and I think I read it on townhall.com

By For Me Luv, USinUK

March 31, 2008 2:51 PM | Link to this

I took my love and I took it down

Climbed a mountain and turned around

And I saw my reflection in the snow-covered hills

‘til the landslide brought it down

.

Oh, mirror in the sky -What is love?

Can the child within my heart rise above?

Can I sail through the changin’…ocean tides

Can I handle the seasons of my life?

I don’t know…..I don’t know

.

Well I’ve been afraid of changin’

because I’ve built my life around you

But time makes you bolder, even children get older

And I’m getting older too….

.

So, take my love…take it down

Climb a mountain and turn around

and if you see my reflection in the snow-covered hills…

well the landslide will bring it down

The landslide will bring it down

By chuck

March 31, 2008 2:53 PM | Link to this

You can also find his position on these issues on his own website, Newz.

By Time for the Black Man

March 31, 2008 2:57 PM | Link to this

The Republicans are race haters, and a black person cannot win in their party.

All this “20 years under his pastor” is a thinly veiled attempt to get the black man out of the race.

I love the hypocrisy in the “right”. They swear Condi Rice would be a good candidate, but most right wing zealots would not support her. They bailed on ultra conservative Mitt Romney and picked liberal John McCain because their bigotry of a Mormon was greater than their conservative values.

I PRAY Obama wins just so racists like “Hush Bimbo” and shaun “Hateanney” can eat crow (black crow at that)!

By I Repeat

March 31, 2008 3:15 PM | Link to this

Time for the Black Man:

I’ve voted about 50-50, but have swung to “the right” in recent years due to all the racial/class warfare engendered by the Dems.

By Kali

March 31, 2008 3:18 PM | Link to this

FYI: Twenty-eight people dedicated to the work of ending male violence against women attended Men Stopping Violence’s Training Institute for Mobilizing Men (TIMM) conference Feb. 27 through March 1, 2008, in Atlanta.

Men Stopping Violence, in consultation with the New York-based organization A Call to Men, has created TIMM, which helps state coalitions working to end intimate partner violence educate and organize men about the issue.

By Monica

March 31, 2008 3:26 PM | Link to this

Hello all. Busy days… but it’s Spring Break this week, and I am blogging because it’s too dad-blame cold to play outside!

I’m so tired of discussing the race/gender presidential issue. Anyone else with the same sentiments? How about anonymous voting? Candidates will only be heard on radio, with pseudonyms only, and they will state their platforms. Eliminate the need for billions of dollars in campaigning, blackballing, and ad hominem attacks and smear campaigns. Naah, that’s what makes politics fun, huh?

By Kali

March 31, 2008 3:27 PM | Link to this

Men Stopping Violence is a social change organization dedicated to ending men’s violence against women.

Men Stopping Violence works locally, nationally, and internationally to dismantle belief systems, social structures, and institutional practices that oppress women and children and dehumanize men themselves. We look to the violence against women’s movement to keep the reality of the problem and the vision of the solution before us. We believe that all forms of oppression are interconnected. Social justice work in the areas of race, class, gender, age, and sexual orientation are all critical to ending violence against women.

By Shirley U. Geste

March 31, 2008 3:35 PM | Link to this

Bruce, what “PC crapola” of mine are you talking about? See, I don’t know what you’re talking about because nowhere in my tongue-in-cheek statement do I mention what MY views are.

But from what you say to Scalia it sounds like you’re an adherent of the “intelligent design” theory.

you’re so funny! You write “The evidence I’ve seen suggests the evolution is a teleologically directed process.” and then you say that this proves that “Change in the genetic composition of a population during successive generations, as a result of natural selection acting on the genetic variation among individuals, and resulting in the development of new species.” is “crapola”. Heh.

Never knew “suggests” is the same as ‘proves” but then I’m no high-falutin’ scientist type either.

By Newzwyre

March 31, 2008 3:36 PM | Link to this

thanks chuck. I’ll check it out when I have a minute.

By Archie

March 31, 2008 3:53 PM | Link to this

Can you at least admire the obvious intelligence of Condi? I think Obama is very intelligent, I just don’t agree with his vision for America of higher taxes and less freedom of choice. Bruno I like the way you asked this question about Condi. Yes I can admire Condi because she is intelligent and she looks good but I can’t stand her because she does the same things we have accused Bush of doing—lying. She went along with that whole WMD-thing. You have the right to disagree with Obama but using his pastor to bash him is straight-up wrong. Bruno I like this conversation because you clearly state what you disagree with, good job.

By johnny canuck

March 31, 2008 4:13 PM | Link to this

“The vision statement of Trinity United Church of Christ is based upon the systematized liberation theology that started in 1969 with the publication of . Black Power and Black Theology.”

Here is the fundamental misunderstanding. The misunderstanding, is, I think on the mainstream side. There is an inherent assumption here that race relations are a zero-sum game. From the New Yorker article that came out today:

““Christianity is the white man’s religion.” That was Malcolm X’s verdict, and though he meant it to be final, a generation of black Christian leaders decided to treat it as provisional. In 1969, a thirty-one-year-old theologian named James H. Cone published “Black Theology & Black Power,” a short, astringent book that Wright would use as a blueprint for Trinity. Cone proposed a reciprocal arrangement: just as the Black Power movement could find redemption in the Church, so the Church—dominated and distorted by generations of white men—could find redemption in the Black Power movement. He wrote that there was “a need for a theology whose sole purpose is to emancipate the gospel from its ‘whiteness’ so that blacks may be capable of making an honest self-affirmation through Jesus Christ.” And he argued that, since African-American suffering was such a powerful metaphor for the suffering of Christ, color-blind Christianity was a contradiction in terms. “To be Christian is to be one of those whom God has chosen,” he wrote. “God has chosen black people!”

Like many brash-sounding manifestos of the era, this one came with fine-print qualifications. Throughout the book, Cone was careful to explain that a black-centered Church need not be a black-separatist Church. And even the simplest phrases—“black people,” for instance—turned out to be slippery. It wasn’t about being “physically black,” he wrote. “To be black means that your heart, your soul, your mind, and your body are where the dispossessed are.” In his view, blackness was as radically inclusive as Christianity itself, and just as demanding.”

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/04/07/080407fafactsanneh?currentPage=2

Sounds radical at first what with that scary word “black” everywhere, but the core of this school of teaching redefines blackness to mean basically altruism, with identification with the sufferer.

This may seem like glib Clintonian parsing, until you consider the New Yorker is quoting something written down in 1971.

If you read further, you will also see what drove this.

A church that only spoke to the divine could not survive in the marketplace of ideas surrounding churches like trinity. The flock was pretty desparate and needed real solutions to real and pressing problems. NOI for example, provided A solution. Not, imo a very good one. But a bad solution is better than no solution. Trinity United is basically a Christian alternative solution that differs in core aspects (see above).

This is also apparent in the work that most of the churches in this neighbourhood does: they provide institutions for community people (the poor) to advance themselves in terms of getting off drugs, going to school, learning trades, etc.

Note also that the Catholic curch in its local manifestation has also adapted to this added need. Witness Michael Pflege (and somtimes guest preacher) a white Catholic and his “African-American Catholic church.”

You could think of guys like Wright and Pflege as the thin dashiki/robe-clad/ line stopping NOI from taking over the black religious niche. Although I have read Wright has actually managed to mellow Farrakhan, and the three of them actually coordinate their efforts to clean up the community.

I find Wright’s sermons to actually be pretty engaging, even though I haven’t seen the inside of a church for decades, and when I did it was a snooze-fest for me.

How many middle-class churches have to organize activities to resource people from the street?

And why does black as a cultural descriptor worry some people so?

Food for thought, I think.

By Lynne

March 31, 2008 4:40 PM | Link to this

Thanks johnny canuck, I ponder that same question…just “why does black as a cultural descriptor worry some people so?”

By johnny canuck

March 31, 2008 4:43 PM | Link to this

From reading The New Yorker article, it is also obvious to me what the appeal of trinity might be to affluent blacks from the hood like Oprah:

Trinity is a way of “keeping their hearts with the dispossessed”. Of keeping grounded and remembering where they came from. Of being successful without “selling out”. Call it what you will. But, this is open to anyone, and I don’t think it really matters to TUCC what colour the dispossessed are.

By Gandalf, the Grey

March 31, 2008 4:44 PM | Link to this

To be an American doesn’t involve being black or white or hispanic or asain, it onvolves being American. Hyphens are for victims. Get on with it you losers. Become AMERICAN, become enlightened citizens of the greatest country on God’s Earth. Stop the petty tribalism that destroyed African, and learn to love your neighbor.

Obama is devisive. He will get us involved in another world war, and possibly a civil one as well. Get away from his poison and join the 21st century. Take your kids to church, go over thier homework with them. Take them to baseball practice and be the Brownie/Cub Scout leader. Take them to the library. Don’t be stupid.

By johnny canuck

March 31, 2008 4:54 PM | Link to this

“To be an American doesn’t involve being black or white or hispanic or asain, it onvolves being American. Hyphens are for victims. Get on with it you losers. Become AMERICAN, become enlightened citizens of the greatest country on God’s Earth. Stop the petty tribalism that destroyed African, and learn to love your neighbor.”

^^^What is kind of Ironic here is that this is basically Obama’s point. That the US has come a long way from where Wright started out. Which is why the US might have a not-totally-white president pretty soon.

“Obama is devisive. He will get us involved in another world war, and possibly a civil one as well. Get away from his poison and join the 21st century.”

^^^ Now here I think you are confusing Obama with a decontextualized Wright. Unless you can back this assertion up with sources. The civil war thing is hysteria, unless you mean to say you personally intend to engage in actual rebellion should Obama become president? If so, then I put it to you that you would probably hate Obama no matter what the facts were.

“Take your kids to church, go over thier homework with them. Take them to baseball practice and be the Brownie/Cub Scout leader. Take them to the library. Don’t be stupid.”

Certainly can’t argue with that. Although that, according to New Yorker, is a big part of Wright’s message.

By USinUK

April 1, 2008 8:27 AM | Link to this

Bruno -

thanks for the tunes!! I love the Dixie Chicks cover of that song -

too dang much spam in here for me this week - will see you next week!!

By Bruno

April 1, 2008 8:32 AM | Link to this

Bruce, what “PC crapola” of mine are you talking about? See, I don’t know what you’re talking about because nowhere in my tongue-in-cheek statement do I mention what MY views are.

In one sense you’re right, Shirley, that no one knows what YOU actually believe, because like all sideline snipers/saboteurs in life, you’re content to hide behind your anonymity and sling arrows at others without actually venturing out onto the playing field yourself. Must be frustrating to be a loser like yourself. At the same time, your “tongue-in-cheek” ridicule of a Godly Creator implies an alliance with the PC view which is preceded by smug statements such as “Well, ALL scientists know that evolution is a fact”.

But from what you say to Scalia it sounds like you’re an adherent of the “intelligent design” theory.

Unfortunately, “intelligent design” is a nearly useless term at this point because it has come to be equated with the mythology that folks like chuckles like to substitute for actual facts and evidence. Any fair person, however, cannot deny the obvious intelligence which permeates the Universe. And the more chemistry and physics a person understands, the more the miraculous nature of said intelligence becomes obvious. Supposedly “leading edge” scientists like Robert M. Hazen are just now getting their heads out of their butts and are using the term “emergent properties” to describe said intelligence. That’s a fancy way to describe “Gestalt”, i.e. the idea that the whole is somehow greater than the sum of the parts, a fact which traditional chemistry and physics can’t explain. I prefer the term “Immanuel”, which more accurately reflects the miraculous nature of that phenomenon. And please spare me any lectures about the meaning of the word “theory”. I don’t have patience with folks who’ve never advanced beyond 8th grade science classes.

You write “The evidence I’ve seen suggests the evolution is a teleologically directed process.” and then you say that this proves that “Change in the genetic composition of a population during successive generations, as a result of natural selection acting on the genetic variation among individuals, and resulting in the development of new species.” is “crapola”. Heh.

If you would read your OWN cut-n-pasted definition of “evolution”, you use the term “genetic variation”, which is a far cry from the traditional term “genetic mutation” which is the idea behind Darwinian Evolution. And yes, the rate of adaptation of bacteria to man-made antibiotics like penicillin does show that drug-resistance is NOT due to “mutations”. As for “variations”, how did the bacteria “know” to have built-in resistance to man-made drugs not yet invented?? If you want to find the answer, find out more about epi-genome research.

Never knew “suggests” is the same as ‘proves” but then I’m no high-falutin’ scientist type either.

The evidence which “suggests” that evolution is teleologically driven does not “prove” ID, but it certainly disproves the PC crapola YOU seem to embrace. But then again, YOU don’t seem to be able to think for yourself, but are oh-too-happy to hide behind cut-n-paste definitions. Get back to me if you ever decide to offer some original thought.

By Bruno

April 1, 2008 8:45 AM | Link to this

And speaking of crapola :

He wrote that there was “a need for a theology whose sole purpose is to emancipate the gospel from its ‘whiteness’ so that blacks may be capable of making an honest self-affirmation through Jesus Christ.” And he argued that, since African-American suffering was such a powerful metaphor for the suffering of Christ, color-blind Christianity was a contradiction in terms. “To be Christian is to be one of those whom God has chosen,” he wrote. “God has chosen black people!”

Like many brash-sounding manifestos of the era, this one came with fine-print qualifications. Throughout the book, Cone was careful to explain that a black-centered Church need not be a black-separatist Church. And even the simplest phrases—“black people,” for instance—turned out to be slippery. It wasn’t about being “physically black,” he wrote. “To be black means that your heart, your soul, your mind, and your body are where the dispossessed are.” In his view, blackness was as radically inclusive as Christianity itself, and just as demanding.”

Sounds radical at first what with that scary word “black” everywhere, but the core of this school of teaching redefines blackness to mean basically altruism, with identification with the sufferer.

Since when was Christianity a “white-man’s religion”???? I’m sure the ancient peoples of the part of the world now known as “Ethiopia” would be interested to find that out. And “blackness” means “altruism”??? And “God has chosen black people”??? I think you and whoever spawned this hateful, racist theology need to go back to the drawing board. Certainly many “white” people over the years have attempted to twist the message of Christ to suit their own racist agendas (e.g. the Southern Baptist Convention), but it doesn’t make it right, nor provides motivation to do the same from a “black” perspective. Categorizing people by race wasn’t in Jesus’s plans, nor Paul’s. Read your Bible a little more before spouting off, will you Johnny?

By Truth

April 1, 2008 8:47 AM | Link to this

Thoughts

Should someone point out to Truth that those former southern racist Democrats are now all Republicans? Which is why most of the south is now considered RED states. Stay current, dude.

Here’s a much better suggestion: Don’t believe what the DNC tells you and actually do the research. Here are the facts:

One Dixiecrat (racist Southern Democrat) who had been a segregationist Democrat, switched parties and became an integrationist Republican. That was Strom Thurman. He is dead.

Trent Lott was elected to his first office as a Democrat in 1972, at the very end of the Civil Rights Movement. He was never considered any part of the powerful Southern democrats that started the KKK and later became known as Dixiecrats.

That’s it, Liberals. That is absolutely all there is. Not another single Democratic Governor, Senator or member of the house from the 1960s changed parties. Almost all are dead now and they died as Democrats.

They have lied to you yet again. The DNC has once again distorted history and through their vast network of propaganda has convinced a huge section of our population of a complete and fabricated lie.

I have to say the Democratic Propaganda Machine is absolutely world class. How do they convince you smart and educated people of these horrible fabrications?

By Truth

April 1, 2008 8:50 AM | Link to this

johnny canuck

But a bad solution is better than no solution. Trinity United is basically a Christian alternative solution that differs in core aspects (see above).

This is also apparent in the work that most of the churches in this neighbourhood does: they provide institutions for community people (the poor) to advance themselves in terms of getting off drugs, going to school, learning trades, etc.

I am absolutely astounded by words like these. The obvious reply would be: Just because the KKK helped the youth around the trailer park, should their preaching of bigotry and hate not only be excused, but praised?

What is wrong with you? Can you possibly think of any reason that a man, any man … any parent would be such a monster, such an abuser of children as to teach them racial bigotry in the 21st century? Are you out of your mind? Has the self-pity finally gotten to the point that it excuses this kind of cruel and dishonorable child abuse?

Do you not understand what a disadvantage a child has when they are taught to hate a large part of the population? How dare you pass a legacy of hate on to your children and then be proud of the damage you have done.

And why does black as a cultural descriptor worry some people so?

It is closely associated with most of this post where a person is desperately trying to pardon the teaching of a generation the intricacies of learning to hate others based upon the color of their skin.

Oh, it’s an easy course to teach. The list of excuses are tremendous. There are no less excuses on every White Supremacy web sight. Why is your hate any more noble or excusable than theirs?

Is it because of Slavery? You were never a slave and the people your children are taught to hate never owned slaves nor did they ever support slavery.

Is it because of the Civil Rights Movement? 1968 was forty years ago. How much of your life will you give to this useless and harmful hate? How much of your children’s life will you give?

By Truth

April 1, 2008 8:58 AM | Link to this

AJC

Spam?

Get off your a* and do your job.

By Bruno

April 1, 2008 8:59 AM | Link to this

You have the right to disagree with Obama but using his pastor to bash him is straight-up wrong. Bruno I like this conversation because you clearly state what you disagree with, good job.

As you have discovered, weak-minded people who are unable to address Obama’s positions directly have to fall back on innuendo about his pastor. Personally, I understand why folks like Rev. Wright are bitter toward America due to our history of sour race relations and understand how he uses inflammatory rhetoric to hopefully empower and stimulate his “flock” to do develop a philosophy of self-reliance. It doesn’t make it any more palatable, but I do understand.

In a similar vein, there was a preacher in Atlanta named Rev. Allen who got in legal trouble a few years back for whipping kids in church. Of course, the voyeuristic media had a field day with that one. The proverbial “rest of the story” was never told, however, i.e. the fact that the man chose to locate his ministry in NE Atlanta near Hollywood Blvd., one of the roughest, most impoverished parts of the city. How do I know about Hollywood Ave. and Perry Homes?? Because I used to work in a clinic not far from there. When people are that down and out, sometimes you need to employ radical measures to help lift them up again.

By kimberly

April 1, 2008 9:05 AM | Link to this

Hey “Truth,” you forgot a couple. (Haven’t we had this conversation before? Total deja vu…)

BTW, they’re not ALL Southerners, but you can count ‘em up from the list:

1964 - Strom Thurmond, while U.S. senator from South Carolina 1965 - Albert Watson, while U.S. Representative from South Carolina (resigned before switching parties and re-won his seat in a special election) 1965 - Arlen Specter, while running for Philadelphia District Attorney mid 1960s - Roderick Miller 1966 - Thomas Wofford, before write-in campaign for State Senator from South Carolina 1966 - Jerry Thomasson, before running for Attorney General of Arkansas 1966 - Henry Grover, before being elected to the Texas Senate 1967 - William Dannemeyer, after leaving the California State Assembly 1967 - Allison Kolb, to run for state treasurer in Louisiana in 1968 late 1960’s - Thad Cochran, before serving as Mississippi executive director of Richard Nixon’s 1968 Presidential campaign. 1968 - Bill Archer, while a member of the Texas House of Representatives 1969 - John Henry Baker, while preparing to run for the Louisiana State Senate 1970 - Jesse Helms, two years before running for the U.S. Senate from North Carolina 1970 - A. C. Clemons, while serving in the Louisiana Senate 1972 - Sam Yorty, while Mayor of Los Angeles 1972 - Robert R. Neall, before serving in the Maryland House of Delegates. He switched back to Democrat in 1999 1972 - Trent Lott, while running for the House of Representatives from Mississippi. He was administrative assistant to Rules Committee chairman William Colmer, who endorsed Lott as his successor despite Lott’s party switch. 1973 - Mills E. Godwin Jr., Democratic governor of Virginia from 1966 to 1970, moved to the Republican Party and was reelected, serving as governor again from 1974 to 1978. 1973 - John Connally, not then in office; six years before he sought the Republican presidential nomination 1975 - Elizabeth Dole, while employed by the Federal Trade Commission 1975 - John Jarman, while U.S. Representative from Oklahoma. He had served for 24 years in the House and said he was fed up with the Democratic party, which had been “taken over by liberals”. He retired in 1976. 1977 - A. J. McNamara, while serving in the Louisiana House 1977 - Lane Carson while serving in the Louisiana House 1978 - Robert G. Jones, after leaving the Louisiana Senate 1978 - Michele Bachmann, currently a U.S. Representative from Minnesota late 1970s - Thomas Bliley, after being Mayor of Richmond, Virginia, and before election to U.S. House of Representatives late 1970s - Michael F. “Mike” Thompson, while serving in the Louisiana House late 1970s - Chris Smith 1979 - Jim Gerlach, currently a U.S. Representative from Pennsylvania 1979 - Charles Grisbaum, Jr. early 1980s - Claude Allen 1980s - Mike Pence, currently a U.S. Representative from Indiana 1980s - Mel Martinez, currently a U.S. Senator from Florida 1980 - Mac Collins, while county commissioner 1980 - Jim Donelon, to run for Congress in a special election 1980 - Jesse Monroe Knowles, while serving near the end of his term in the Louisiana Senate 1980 - Frank D. White, to run for governor of Arkansas 1980s - J.C. “Sonny” Gilbert, after having left office as a member of both houses of the Louisiana legislature 1981 - Bob Stump, while U.S. Representative from Arizona 1981 - Eugene Atkinson, while U.S. Representative from Pennsylvania 1982 - Condoleezza Rice 1983 - Jimmy Fitzmorris, to attempt to regain the office of Louisiana lieutenant governor 1983 - Phil Gramm, while U.S. Representative from Texas (resigned before switching parties and re-won his seat in a special election) 1983 - Bob Martinez, while mayor of Tampa, Florida 1984 - Andy Ireland, while U.S. Representative from Florida mid 1980s - H. Edward Knox; became an independent in 2005 1985 - Kent Hance, former U.S. Representative, after losing the Democratic U.S. Senate nomination in Texas 1985 - Jock Scott, near the end of his tenure in the Louisiana House of Representatives 1985 - Carole Keeton Strayhorn, now State Comptroller of Texas (she ran for Texas Governor as an independent in 2006) 1986 - Richard Baker, before winning a U.S. House seat in Louisiana 1987 - Paul Hardy, before running for Lieutenant-Governor of Louisiana 1987 - Roy Moore, prior to being appointed to an Alabama circuit judgeship 1988 - Jim McCrery, while running for U.S. Representative from Louisiana. He had been a staff member for Buddy Roemer, but switched parties before the special election after Roemer was elected governor. 1988 - David Duke 1989 - Edward Vrdolyak, before running for Mayor of Chicago 1989 - Bill Grant, while U.S. Representative from Florida 1989 - Tommy F. Robinson, while U.S. Representative from Arkansas 1989 - Rick Perry, before running for Agriculture Commissioner of Texas 1989 - W. Fox McKeithen, while Louisiana Secretary of State early 1990s - Eli Bebout, while serving in the Wyoming House of Representatives 1990 - Vito Fossella, current U.S. Representative from New York c. 1990 - Tom Vandergriff, while running for county judge of Tarrant County, Texas (had served as mayor of Arlington and in Congress as a Democrat) 1991 - Lauch Faircloth, to run for the U.S. Senate in 1992 1991 - Bret Schundler, before running for the New Jersey Senate 1991 - Buddy Roemer, governor of Louisiana switched parties shortly before the beginning of his unsuccessful reelection campaign 1992 - Byron Looper, before running for State Representative in Tennessee 1994 - Walter B. Jones, while running for U.S. Representative from North Carolina 1994 - Ed Whitfield, the day before filing as a candidate for the U. S. House in Kentucky 1994 - Mike Bowers, while Attorney General of Georgia 1994 - Fob James, while running for Governor of Alabama 1994 - Richard Shelby, while U.S. Senator from Alabama 1994 - Woody Jenkins, while Louisiana state House member 1994 - Dan Richey, former Louisiana Democratic state legislator switched from independent to Republican when the Republicans won control of the U.S. Congress mid 1990s - Ed Austin, while Mayor of Jacksonville 1995 - Jimmy Hayes, while U.S. Representative from Louisiana 1995 - Greg Laughlin, while U.S. Representative from Texas 1995 - Ben Nighthorse Campbell, while U.S. Senator from Colorado 1995 - Billy Tauzin, while U.S. Representative from Louisiana 1995 - Nathan Deal, while U.S. Representative from Georgia 1995 - Mike Parker, while U.S. Representative from Mississippi 1995 - Mike Foster, while running for Governor of Louisiana 1995 - Rusty Crowe, Tennessee state senator 1995 - Milton H. Hamilton, Jr, Tennessee state senator 1996 - Norm Coleman, while mayor of St. Paul, Minnesota 1997 - Kevin Mannix, after losing Democratic nomination for Oregon Attorney General in 1996 1997 - Michael J. Michot, while serving in the Louisiana House 1998 - George Wallace, Jr., before running for Alabama Public Service Commissioner 1998 - Herman Badillo 1998 - David G. Boschert 1998 - Sonny Perdue, while a Georgia State Senator 1999 - Nancy Larraine Hoffmann, while New York State Senator; defeated in 2006 2000 - Robert J. Barham, while serving in the Louisiana State Senate 2000 - Matthew G. Martinez, while U.S. Representative from California 2001 - Clinton LeSueur, before running for U.S. Representative from Mississippi 2001 - Michael Bloomberg, before running for mayor of New York City 2001 - Hunt Downer, before running for Governor of Louisiana 2002 - Amy Tuck, while Lieutenant Governor of Mississippi 2002 - Olga A. Méndez, while State Senator in New York 2002 - Don Cheeks, while a Georgia State Senator 2002 - Dan Lee, while a Georgia State Senator 2002 - Rooney Bowen, while a Georgia State Senator 2002 - Jack Hill, while a Georgia State Senator 2003 - James David Cain, prior to his final election to the Louisiana Senate 2003 - Melinda Schwegmann, while State House member in Louisiana 2003 - Gabriel Vasquez, Houston City Councilmember (council seat is nonpartisan) 2004 - Ralph Hall, while U.S. Representative from Texas 2004 - Rodney Alexander, while U.S. Representative from Louisiana (his switch just before the filing deadline prevented the Democrats from fielding a viable replacement candidate) 2005 - Michael Diven, while in Pennsylvania state House, defeated in 2006 elections 2006 - Sheri McInvale, Florida State Representative, defeated in 2006 elections 2006 - Don McLeary, Tennessee state senator, defeated in 2006 2006 - John Giannetti, Maryland State Senator, defeated in 2006 2006 - Mickey Channell, while a Georgia State Representative 2006 - Will Kendrick, Florida State Representative, after being reelected as a Democrat 2006 - Billy Montgomery, while serving in the Louisiana House 2007 - James Walley, Mississippi State Senator. Walley was originally elected as a Democrat after defeating Tommy Dickerson, who had switched from the Democratic Party to the Republican Party. However, Walley was then defeated in the 2007 legislative elections by Tommy Dickerson, now running as a Democrat once more. 2007- Tommy Gollott, current Mississippi State Senator from Biloxi 2007 - Dawn Pettengill, member of the Iowa House of Representatives 2007 - Mike Jacobs, while a Georgia State Representative 2007 - John N. Kennedy, while State Treasurer of Louisiana 2007 - Robert Adley, while a member of the Louisiana State Senate (re-elected for his current term as a Democrat) Though he never formally changed his affiliation, former U.S. Senator Zell B. Miller (D-Georgia), caucused with the Senate Republicans and spoke at the 2004 Republican National Convention.

By Thoughts

April 1, 2008 9:05 AM | Link to this

Senator Richard Shelby, from Alabama, elected as a Democrat in 1994 and IMMEDIATELY switched parties to the GOP. That’s one. don’t believe it? Look it up.

The whole southern culture that was at one time Democrat is now GOP. THAT was the point. The BIGGER picture.

By Bruno

April 1, 2008 9:09 AM | Link to this

Truth—Glad to see you this AM. I need some camera advice desperately after having visited Showcase yesterday. Billy in the video Dept. gave me a lot of solid advice re: a good video camera. Sheldon in the camera dept., however, is trying to sell me an SLR camera like the Nikon D40x or the D80. He claims that these cameras offer a better visual sensor field which makes any type of editing easier. Last night online, however, some of the reviews seemed to indicate that these types of cameras are ultimately much more complicated to use, and don’t really provide any better quality photos. Any advice?? The D40x is going for around $700 and the D80 around $950 vs. around $400 for a good “point-n-shoot” camera. Any thoughts?

BTW, thanks for mentioning B H Photography online. Their prices are far below Showcase’s. I plan to pressure Showcase into matching the online prices if they want my business.

By Truth

April 1, 2008 9:10 AM | Link to this

Bruno

No. No. No.

Bigotry and hatred is never excused because some bigot is reaching out to children. Duh??

Once again: if the members of the KKK set up after-school programs to help the kids at the trailer park, are they considered A-OK for teaching those kids bigotry?

How long have I been asleep? Has the world gone butt crazy since I closed my eyes?

Grow a brain people!!!! Bigotry is bigotry. The people who support institutions that are teaching our children bigotry ARE BIGOTS!!!!!

Are you really tying to change THOSE rules?

By Truth

April 1, 2008 9:29 AM | Link to this

Thoughts

Senator Richard Shelby, from Alabama, elected as a Democrat in 1994 and IMMEDIATELY switched parties to the GOP. That’s one. don’t believe it? Look it up.

In 1994? Jesus Christ. You don’t even understand the argument.

So is this what you are saying? That Democrats were still Dixiecrats in 1994.

No wonder you snipe from the sideline. You don’t have the brains to even understand what people are saying.

Never mind about that my describing liberals as “smart and educated.”

The whole southern culture that was at one time Democrat is now GOP. THAT was the point. The BIGGER picture.

The bigger picture is that the major white supremacy organizations like the KKK are no longer centered in the integrationist / Republican South. Most have moved to Blue States.

We won, Republicans and Black people. The marches, the suffering, the Republican kids that risked their lives to come down here and fight the Dixiecrats … it paid off. The mayor of Stone Mountain, the place the Democrats hung a Jew and revived the KKK is BLack. Most of the people governoring the South is Black.

So yes, integrationist Republicans now, for the first time since reconstruction control the Govenor’s mansion and control the once racist and Democratic State House.

By Bruno

April 1, 2008 9:35 AM | Link to this

Bigotry and hatred is never excused because some bigot is reaching out to children. Duh??

Truth, if you bother to read my comments more closely, I never said that bigotry and hatred are ok. All I said is that I understand the place where those feelings come from. And, having lived in desperate circumstances myself, I understand that sometimes desperate measures are need to stimulate folks to lift themselves out of despair. Personally, I’ve never used hatred as a self-motivator, but I’m not going to point fingers at people like Rev. Wright or even Rev, Allen here in Atlanta not having walked a mile in their shoes.

What have you ever done to help desperate peoples?

By Bruno

April 1, 2008 9:39 AM | Link to this

1964 - Strom Thurmond, while U.S. senator from South Carolina 1965 - Albert Watson, while U.S. Representative from South Carolina (resigned before switching parties and re-won his seat in a special election) 1965 - Arlen Specter,

Nice cut-n-paste job. I’m sure it did wonders to support your self-righteous position that Republicans are all racists while Democrats are all beacons of humility and tolerance. Too bad the facts don’t support your pre-determined conclusions. If you were objective, which I think your academic background prevents, you would notice that 90% of the racial/class warfare originates from YOUR political party these days.

By Bruno

April 1, 2008 9:42 AM | Link to this

Also, Truth, although I’m on your side, your monotonous references to the KKK aren’t helping your cause. Can you be a little more original and address each speaker’s comments directly without falling back on your pre-fab arguments?? You’re starting to sound more like chuck every day….

By Truth

April 1, 2008 9:47 AM | Link to this

kimberly

Yes we did have this conversation before. And apparently, you didn’t remember the outcome.

Please read the following very slowly.

The Dixiecrats that ruled the South from 1950 until 1970 are the people that were Congressmen (Senators and members of the House of Congress) and the Governors from the Southern States.

Once again, you have listed every person that ever changed party from any and every party since man has occupied the earth.

No I am not going to set here and pick fly sh*t out of pepper in order to prove your point.

If you can name a single Democrat that was a Governor, or Congressman from 1950 until 1970, please do so.

Do you understand, now? Do you get it?

And thanks for posting that brainless post that proves that you don’t have a clue as to what I was talking about.

By Bruno

April 1, 2008 9:48 AM | Link to this

You gotta admit, this new spammer has it going on. Spam on ‘roids!

On a serious note, whoever designed the W2W webpage to allow this spam to continue unabated should be F-I-R-E-D.

By Bruno

April 1, 2008 9:51 AM | Link to this

Truth, can you give me some camera advice before I have to go this AM?

By Bruno

April 1, 2008 10:00 AM | Link to this

And thanks for posting that brainless post that proves that you don’t have a clue as to what I was talking about.

So just what is your goal here, Truth? Your posts seem to be about 80% ranting with only 20% real content. Can’t you do any better than that? With the endless, one-sided insults, you do nothing but to ensure your own defeat. Pick up your game a little, will you? At least I’m an equal-opportunity insulter. I hate everyone. ; > }

By kimberly

April 1, 2008 10:01 AM | Link to this

Truth, who peed in YOUR cornflakes this morning? I listed only Democrats who changed to Repubicans since 1964 when Civil Rights became federal law, not “every person that ever changed party from any and every party since man has occupied the earth.”

Exaggerate much? I’m sorry you’re having such a bad day and all, but as a Southerner and a Democrat, I stand by the assertion that Southern Democrats who resisted the federal mandates of racial equality did indeed switch to the GOP, as well as those in the following years wanting to ride the Reagan and neo-conservative waves to positions of power. I can say this because I’m from here with lots of family here, but for the most part, the Dems who were PRO civil rights stayed with the Democrats, even if they were at times completely ineffectual at managing the government. Sorry that upsets you so much.

By Thoughts

April 1, 2008 10:11 AM | Link to this

Don’t confuse the poor boy with facts.

1994/Shelby is certainly much more recent than Byrd’s membership in the KKK in I think the 1940s and Thurmond’s Segregationist Party in the 1950s but we keep getting that harped on us.

My mind is just way too simple for such a complex brilliant individual as Truth. Is he the Shaw of Iran guy?, no wonder the Libyans? put him in prison.

By Bruno

April 1, 2008 10:12 AM | Link to this

I can say this because I’m from here with lots of family here, but for the most part, the Dems who were PRO civil rights stayed with the Democrats, even if they were at times completely ineffectual at managing the government.

Well, then maybe you need to limit your finger-pointing to yourself and your OWN family. Your broad, sweeping statements that former racist Democrats are all Republicans now is a total crock of you-know-what. Frankly, I think you’re even worse than Truth with your one-sided rants. I say either hate everyone like I do, or hate no one.

By Truth

April 1, 2008 10:16 AM | Link to this

Bruno

OK. The good, the bad and the ugly.

I love the guys in video at showcase. The sales people in cameras . . not so much.

Go to any website that has a picture of the Nikons that you mentioned. Look at the diameter of the lens. It looks like a real lens. But look at the actual size of the glass. It is a tiny circle in the middle of that huge lens. In other words, it is bullsh*t. Every lens I own for still shots, motions picture film or video, has a huge hunk of glass in the lens. that’s why they cost so much money. The HD camera that I am slobbering over is the Panasonic 500HD. The camera costs $22,000. The real Nikor Lens that I want for that camera costs $29,000. And that is because of the size and quality of the optical glass in that lens. All the new pro-sumer camera are crap. You can’t even put a real lens on the cameras.

If you buy photo lights (lights that flash with the camers) you will need an SLR to drive the lights, but you really don’t need that. You just need a couple of good tungsten lights, 300 to 500 watts to illuminate the area you are using.

B&H are good, but be careful about buying reconditioned items. get a person from B&H on the phone and get a promise that they will not send you a used camera.

I am not up on the new models, but they are. They will help you but they will not take the time to BS you. See what they say. Good luck.

Now, I can’t make comparisons to Hitler and now I can’t make racial comparisons to the KKK. I’m tired of making those comparisons, but we learn from history and like it or not, Hitler and the KKK can teach us a lot when people are excusing bigotry because children are cared for by the bigots.

You are correct about Albert Watson. Not execatly what I would call a leader in the Republican or Democratic party and a person who has been dead for years so, no he doesn’t currently serve in the Republican Party.

Spector didn’t start his political career until the 1980s, long after the civil rights movement.

My party isn’t trying to get an obvious bigot and political operative for a Chicago mobster elected as president,

By Truth

April 1, 2008 10:26 AM | Link to this

Kimberly

Yes, I come here and see people forgiving bigots and the people who support bigots because those bigots care for the children that they teach to hate. And apprently it is all because the democrats are now stuck with an obvious bigot as a presidential candidate.

What level will democrats stoop to next?

I know you have that contention that the Democrats that were racist during the civil rights movement all switched to the Republican party because that is what you have been told since Trent Lott pointed out that Strom Thurman was a Dixiecrat before he was a Republican, but it just ain’t so.

Almost all of the Dixiecrats are dead. Hell they were 60 years old, 40 years ago. And they all died as democrats.

Pardon my anger, but I am seeing people forgiving the teaching of children a mantra a hate and that infuriates me. But the question is: why doesn’t it infuriate you?

By kimberly

April 1, 2008 10:26 AM | Link to this

That’s nice, Bruno. I’ll be sure to take everything you say under careful consideration so I can one day be just like you.

I didn’t start this week’s convo on which party the southern racists prefer, but I did want to clarify that it wasn’t all just BS propaganda as “truth” shrieks. I’m not sure why I’d be pointing my finger at my family, but WITHIN my own large family, there are a couple who still embrace elements of old-school southern racism. They are hard-core Republicans. The more educated and civil-rights-supporting members of my family have indeed been Democrats as long as I can remember. Not that you care, but did you have a point, or are you just spreading the “hate” around today?

By Truth

April 1, 2008 10:29 AM | Link to this

Thoughts

Robert Byrd is still a member of the KKK. It is a lifetime membership. It’s like the roach motel: you can check in, but you can never check out

By Truth

April 1, 2008 10:40 AM | Link to this

kimberly

Do those wonderful Democrats in your family believe in race based hiring? Do they support Barrack Obama, a man who has exposed his children to the rantings of a racist bigot for 20 years while financially supporting the bigot’s organization which has spread hate and lies for 20 years?

If they do, then why are they any better or any more noble than your racist Repubican relatives?

One more time: Bigotry is bigotry. And the people who support organizations that teach children hate and lies are bigots.

Period.

By Bruno

April 1, 2008 10:41 AM | Link to this

Go to any website that has a picture of the Nikons that you mentioned. Look at the diameter of the lens. It looks like a real lens. But look at the actual size of the glass. It is a tiny circle in the middle of that huge lens. In other words, it is bullsht. Every lens I own for still shots, motions picture film or video, has a huge hunk of glass in the lens. that’s why they cost so much money. The HD camera that I am slobbering over is the Panasonic 500HD. The camera costs $22,000. The real Nikor Lens that I want for that camera costs $29,000. And that is because of the size and quality of the optical glass in that lens. All the new pro-sumer camera are crap. You can’t even put a real lens on the cameras*.

Thanks for the explanation, but I don’t plan to spend any more than $1000 for a digital camera. Do the point-n-shoot cameras have better lenses?? In other words, if I’m going to spend a grand or less, what is my BEST option in selecting a high-quality, easy-to-use digital camera??

If you buy photo lights (lights that flash with the camers) you will need an SLR to drive the lights, but you really don’t need that. You just need a couple of good tungsten lights, 300 to 500 watts to illuminate the area you are using.

Yes, I followed your suggestion and selected the Wescott 2-light system to provide decent lighting. As for tripods, the Sunpak tripods are inexpensive, and seem to be adequate for my needs. (Thanks, Lyrazel!)

Bottom line, if you were spending $1000 or less for the camera, should I go with the Nikon D80, or just get a less expensive point-n-shoot camera? Ultimately, I’m going to feed the images into software which allows me to draw lines on the photos in order to do postural analysis. Is the output from a point-n-shoot adequate to do this?

By Nat Turner

April 1, 2008 10:44 AM | Link to this

The Dixiecrats that ruled the South from 1950 until 1970 are the people that were Congressmen (Senators and members of the House of Congress) and the Governors from the Southern States.

We won, Republicans and Black people. The marches, the suffering, the Republican kids that risked their lives to come down here and fight the Dixiecrats … it paid off. The mayor of Stone Mountain, the place the Democrats hung a Jew and revived the KKK is BLack. Most of the people governoring the South is Black.

Is it because of the Civil Rights Movement? 1968 was forty years ago. How much of your life will you give to this useless and harmful hate? How much of your children’s life will you give?

I love a hypocrite. He constantly brings up things from the past, but wants us to forget other things from the past.

By kimberly

April 1, 2008 10:45 AM | Link to this

Truth, I agree with you about the wrongness of teaching hate, but I don’t think it comes from any one single direction — that would be naive. From where I’m standing, it comes from too many directions to count, and I don’t think any one group (or label) can be excepted from containing people who still do it.

Does it infuriate me? Not so much as it makes me profoundly sad. That we are still having this discussion in the 21st century makes me profoundly sad as well. You’re entitled to your feelings; I’m entitled to mine. Don’t know why you have to get nasty with me about it. I stand by what I said. Please spew YOUR hated at somebody else now, if you would, because I’ve had my fill for the day. Thanks.

By Thoughts

April 1, 2008 10:49 AM | Link to this

Robert Byrd is still a member of the KKK. It is a lifetime membership.

Wow, I guess you told me, yesSiree. I wonder who dry cleans his hood?

By Bruno

April 1, 2008 10:50 AM | Link to this

I’m not sure why I’d be pointing my finger at my family, but WITHIN my own large family, there are a couple who still embrace elements of old-school southern racism. They are hard-core Republicans. The more educated and civil-rights-supporting members of my family have indeed been Democrats as long as I can remember.

Well, then maybe you should limit your insults to your own family members rather than trying to generalize.

Not that you care, but did you have a point, or are you just spreading the “hate” around today?

Maybe I care too much, have you ever considered that? You don’t believe that I want you to be the best you can be, which means a little self-analysis now and again?

The reason I hate everybody is because I know that we all can do a little better, with the possible exception of Mother Teresa who spent her life in the slums of India. I hate everybody, including myself, because I know for a fact that deep inside all humans lies a killer, an abuser, even inside the new poster Kali, who thinks that her and her 27 hand-holding, self-righteous, finger-pointing friends are somehow going to change the world with their liberal, man-hating ways. We all can do better, especially you, an extremely intelligent, good-hearted, well-intended individual. You see, I’m the hardest on those who are most capable. I don’t try to beat up on the disadvantaged like chuckles. OK?

By Bruno

April 1, 2008 10:53 AM | Link to this

I love a hypocrite. He constantly brings up things from the past, but wants us to forget other things from the past.

Right on, Nat. Now are you going to meet the same challenge and let go of a past which you personally were not a part of? Or are you getting too much mileage from not forgiving and moving on?

By Truth

April 1, 2008 10:53 AM | Link to this

Nat Turner

So do you support the teachings of Bigotry?

Simple question.

By Copyleft

April 1, 2008 11:07 AM | Link to this

“Pardon my anger, but I am seeing people forgiving the teaching of children a mantra a hate and that infuriates me. But the question is: why doesn’t it infuriate you?”

Because it’s not happening. You’ve declared Rev. Wright the Black Hitler and an irredeemably awful “bigot, spewing constant race hate for over twenty years”… and it’s simply not true.

Nor does it have anything to do with Obama, despite your best attempts to insist that everyone who attends a church MUST agree with all of its minister’s personal and political beliefs 100%, like a good little brainwashed drone. Maybe that’s what happens in Chuck’s church (or yours), but not everyone’s.

Face it; this is a tempest in a teapot. The far right is DESPERATE to come up with something to use against Obama, and this veiled-racism argument is working better than the “closet Muslim” smear they’ve already attempted. But that doesn’t make it true, or mean that any SANE people have to accept it. Or even care.

By Truth

April 1, 2008 11:09 AM | Link to this

Bruno

Westcott is a great brand. Yesterday I had a shoot and my old, beatup Westcotts did a wonderful job like they always do. Good choice. Sunpak tripods works great for stills. Hell, a good solid rock works great for stills.

$1,000 is a weird number. Really good professional digital cameras with a good lens costs thousands and you simply don’t need that for what you are doing. However, I understand your shying away from the little pocket models. I know what you are doing and credibility is well worth the $1,000, especially now that you have bought some great lights.

Large vs. small being used in a medical office? Even though the little guys would do the trick, you might want to go with the most impressive looking camera.

Nikon is a world class brand and almost no one knows about the “real lens” thing I talked about, so I would probably go with the Nikon. Get whatever model offers the most options such as an extra lens, extra battery, large memory, etc. etc. They do have some really cool features like time lapse, large format, etc. Like I said, the incredibly rude New Yorkers at B & H will do you right. LOL.

And they look like a real Pro series camera. But PLEASE read the book from cover to cover.

Good luck and let me know what happens.

By Nat Turner

April 1, 2008 11:10 AM | Link to this

Truth

Do you pick and choose what history you want to drudge up?

Simple question.

By Bruno

April 1, 2008 11:11 AM | Link to this

Before my own self-righteousness spins completely out of control, I would like to once again recommend an extremely thought-provoking book by renowned Biblical scholar Bart Ehrman: God’s Problem: How the Bible Fails to Answer OUr Most Important Question—Why We Suffer. You can pick it up from amazon.com for only $17.13. In Mr. Ehrman’s case, he decided to leave the church and renounce his Christianity due to the fact that the Bible never truly answers the question. Even Jesus stated “The poor will always be among us”, indicating that suffering is part and parcel of the human experience.

Well wishes to all this AM.

By Truth

April 1, 2008 11:16 AM | Link to this

kimberly

I sincerely apologize.

I do feel like the Seinfeld episode when Jerry walks into his living room and Cramer is standing there in a business suit and is heading off to work. Seinfeld says: “How long have I been asleep”?

You are correct. This is the 21st century and issues of race and bigotry are still here. And it is from all directions.

Now that I have p** you off, I need to get to the bank.

Good luck with your camera, Bruno and Kimberly: think good thoughts. We all need to do that.

By Bruno

April 1, 2008 11:18 AM | Link to this

The far right is DESPERATE to come up with something to use against Obama, and this veiled-racism argument is working better than the “closet Muslim” smear they’ve already attempted. But that doesn’t make it true, or mean that any SANE people have to accept it. Or even care.

Thanks again for your pious pronouncements from the Far Left, CopyLeft. There is plenty to be scared of regarding Obama which has nothing to do with his name or skin color. Like Hillary, he proposes to institute financial “reforms” which do nothing more than to reward irresponsible lending/borrowing at the expense of honest people who live within or below their means. Both Democratic candidates want to force freedom-loving, pro-choice people like myself to abandon personal responsibility in seeing to my OWN health care needs with a Nazi-like system which removes all freedom and choice.

If you don’t have the intelligence or ambition to take your own health care into your own hands, then God bless you.. But get your hands out of my pockets, will you?

By Bruno

April 1, 2008 11:24 AM | Link to this

Like I said, the incredibly rude New Yorkers at B & H will do you right. LOL.

No problem, I’m from Jersey and can be rude with the best of them. DO you think the Nikon D80 has a better lens than the less expensive point-n-shoots, or are they comparable? BTW, if you can give me a loan, I’ll gladly pay you Tuesday for a $22,000 lens today, Popeye.

And they look like a real Pro series camera. But PLEASE read the book from cover to cover.

OMG, I have to read that crap that those technical writers come up with. Isn’t there a “help desk” person I can annoy the crap out of?

Good luck and let me know what happens.

Thanks, friend.

By Truth

April 1, 2008 11:25 AM | Link to this

Nat Turner

It was two different issues, but I do see a lot of excuses for overt bigotry still coming from the Democratic Party.

I think the “Star chamber” (Super delegates) of the democratic Party knew all about Obama’s penchant for supporting bigots and reading his first book shows in no uncertain terms that he does not like White people. They knew he would have these problems.

So why did they allow him to run? How much racial division will his candidacy have on our country? Who profits from racial division? The Democrats or the Republicans? Are the big leaders of Black culture that people like Juan Williams rightly attack in his book entitled “Enough” who make millions from this country’s race problems Democrats or Republicans?

Those aren’t simple questions, but questions we all need to ask.

By Truth

April 1, 2008 11:34 AM | Link to this

Copyleft

If you can believe that Wright is not a bigot after hearing his speeches, then there is nothing I or anyone can say to change your mind.

Fortunately, you would vote for the Democrat no matter what, so your opinion really isn’t that important. See what happens when a political party knows they own you?

Almost everyone sees the truth about Wright and about a man who would expose his kids to that monster for their entire life.

Obama’s actions and his writings will cost Black people their first Black president. I would be pretty upset about that if I were you. But you are going to blame his defeat on White people anyway, so why would the truth matter?

By Popeye

April 1, 2008 11:34 AM | Link to this

I yam what I yam!

By Truth

April 1, 2008 11:46 AM | Link to this

AJC

HELLO!!!!

Can you delete the spam, or is doing your job just too much trouble?

By Truth

April 1, 2008 11:51 AM | Link to this

Bruno.

Nah, the lenses are probably about the same but the big guy has a lot more features. The smaller camera probably uses the same chip but the bigger one has more options activated on the chip.

Get the big D80. And yes, read the book. They are written much better now and digital photography, unlike digital videography is approaching universal standardization so get the good one. It will last you awhile.

By Popeye

April 1, 2008 11:51 AM | Link to this

he does not like White people.

P.S. Obama’s mother is white, as are most of his supporters and donors. Do you think he really hates all white people, Truth?

By Popeye

April 1, 2008 12:00 PM | Link to this

Yuk, yuk, yuk, yuk. Shiver me timbers!!

By OnlyTuesday

April 1, 2008 12:01 PM | Link to this

Do you think he really hates all white people, Truth?

it’s that Manchurian Candidate thing. hahahahahaha

By chuck

April 1, 2008 12:05 PM | Link to this

Brudog, for what you ar doing the point and shoots will be fine. All you really need to know is to buy the most megapixels you can get for the money. You can get a great digital camera that will do everything you need for it to do for under $500.00.

Circuit City has a great sale on right now. You can get a Canon PowerShot S5 IS 8-Megapixel Digital Camera for about $340.00 online. Here’s the link:

http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Canon-PowerShot-S5-IS-8-Megapixel-Digital-Camera-Black-POWERSHOTS5IS/sem/rpsm/oid/184551/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do

I’ve always liked Olympus cameras myself. they have the Olympus SP-560 UZ 8-Megapixel Digital Camera for about $350.00 online. The website for that one is:

http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Olympus-SP-560-UZ-8-Megapixel-Digital-Camera-SP-560-UZ/sem/rpsm/oid/189821/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do

They have a lot of others. Just stay away from the Kodak Easy Share cameras. They have higher megapixels for the money, but I’ve heard bad things about their reliability. One tool you can use on the Circuit City site is their product reviews. They usually have really good information about the problems they incountered with particular cameras. Written in layman terms they are easy to understand and can help steer you away from junk.

By Popeye

April 1, 2008 12:07 PM | Link to this

Off to Showcase. I plan to redefine Jewishness while I’m there….

By Archie

April 1, 2008 12:24 PM | Link to this

As you have discovered, weak-minded people who are unable to address Obama’s positions directly have to fall back on innuendo about his pastor. I said that weeks ago. Personally, I understand why folks like Rev. Wright are bitter toward America due to our history of sour race relations Most logical, non-racist people understand that and note that another white minister in Chicago recently spoke highly of Reverend Wright. Heck, I like Fred Price but when he said something crazy in my opinion I stopped watching him so was I a nut during the time I was watching him and smart when I didn’t watch him??? I don’t think anyone can control another human being in America and context of what people say is important. Anyway Bruno I don’t agree with your positions on healthcare but I have posted so many times about universal healthcare until I am just out of energy…

By Nat Turner

April 1, 2008 12:46 PM | Link to this

I have never seen somebody harp on one issue for so long, basically it is the same thing that Truth says that black people do.

So how are you any different?

And by the way, have they interviewed McCain’s preacher? Or Bush’s preacher?

How many churches are really that integrated? Not just a black person here or there, but a 50/50?

By Copyleft

April 1, 2008 12:46 PM | Link to this

Thanks for at least addressing Obama’s positions on the actual ISSUES, Bruno. I know you want nothing to do with a more liberal government, and that’s your right. (But it doesn’t MAKE you right; it’s still just opinion, and opinions differ.)

Hilariously-misnamed “Truth”:

Yes, Rev. Wright may indeed be a racist. And if HE were running for office, I might have doubts about voting for him because of that.

Check the ballot, though—Wright isn’t running. Obama is. Got anything you can point to that shows OBAMA, himself, is some sort of raving black-nationalist bigot? Of course not.

All you have is the claim that somehow Rev. Wright was not a minister with a few extreme opinions on race politics, but rather a “raving monster of hatred” preying on small, impressionable children to fill their heads with his demonic lies. Which, of course, is blatantly untrue. Obama asked the question: Haven’t you ever known someone who was basically decent, but you still disagreed with them on some things? Or is yours truly a “black or white world” (pun intended)?

As for “voting for a Democrat no matter what”… quite an ASSumption on your part. I didn’t vote for the Democratic candidate in 2000, and I wouldn’t vote for Hillary if she somehow gets the nomination. Blind partisan loyalty is the best way to be overlooked and taken for granted (not that it bothers the talk-radio crowd one bit, when it works in their favor).

Obama’s actions and writings will GIVE America our first black president—but more importantly, a smarter and more liberal administration than the nutball we have now. Why should I be upset about that?

“…so why would the truth matter?” Oh, the irony….

By Bruce, Colorado Springs

April 1, 2008 12:55 PM | Link to this

Comments on AJC sure don’t have to relate to the columns. Very weird. I’ve listened to some of Wright’s complete sermons. While some of the words chosen are unfortunate, I understand where he is coming from. After 9/11, he referred to the “unspeakable” acts. But he did put it into context: the US has a history of unspeakable acts against other countries, so we shouldn’t be too surprised that someone might do the same to us. That doesn’t make it ok! He also was trying to say that it was a good time to look inward, at our own relationship with God. He knew the response would instead be “who should we blow up”.

By chuck

April 1, 2008 1:17 PM | Link to this

All you have is the claim that somehow Rev. Wright was not a minister with a few extreme opinions on race politics, but rather a “raving monster of hatred” preying on small, impressionable children to fill their heads with his demonic lies. Which, of course, is blatantly untrue. Obama asked the question: Haven’t you ever known someone who was basically decent, but you still disagreed with them on some things? Or is yours truly a “black or white world” (pun intended)?

Come on copyleft. I know good and well that you don’t come close to believing this drivel. If this was a WHITE preacher standing up there using the N word EVEN ONCE, you would be all over him. You would probably lead the lynching party. While I couldn’t care less about this as an election issue (unless of course it helps McCain win down the road) you have to admit that there is a double standard at play here.

So let’s ask the question: If you knew that the pastor of YOUR church had these racist views toward BLACK people, WOULD YOU CONTINUE TO BE A MEMBER OF THAT CHURCH? I can tell you that I would leave IMMEDIATELY. He wouldn’t have to say it in a sermon. If he even said it in PRIVATE I would leave. If you were HONEST, you would agree with TRUTH, as annoying as he has been on this issue, BECAUSE HE IS RIGHT ON THE BASICS. Otherwise you are okay with an unfair double standard.

By Truth

April 1, 2008 1:21 PM | Link to this

copyleft

Check the ballot, though—Wright isn’t running. Obama is. Got anything you can point to that shows OBAMA, himself, is some sort of raving black-nationalist bigot? Of course not.

You might as well get used to this comparison, because it simply makes the most sense.

If McCain attended the meetings of a raving racist for 20 years, would you consider that McCain just might support the racist stance of that person? Now consider if McCain said that the raving racist had been an inspiration to him and had inspired him. Now consider McCain forcing his children to attend those meetings most of their entire life. Now how about if records show that McCain had donated tens of thousands of dollars to that racist. Would you question McCain for his actions?

Obama compares Wright by saying that everyone has a friend, bla, bla, bla. This is not just a close friend, but a mentor and spiracial leader whom he has donated tens of thousands of dollars to the spread of his ignorance and hate.

As I have said, I accidentally heard the first 15 minutes of a speech given by Wright at Spellman. He is a racist monster. That’s why so many Black and White people got up and walked out of the hall.

Most of those “few racist” remarks that you saw on TV were collected from a DVD that Trinity Church sells as representing their message. Make all the excuses you want. Obama has no idea what he is up against.

Republicans and most centrist and many Democrats now see Obama for what he has been for 20 years and apparently still is: a bigot who has supported a racist organization that has spread the word of ignorance and hate through donations made by Obama and other ignorant bigots and hate mongers.

All I ask is that you dare to judge Obama and his actions exactly like you would judge a Republican on the same issues.

The personal insults were expected, copyleft. You can’t seem to post without them.

By Truth

April 1, 2008 1:27 PM | Link to this

Bruce, Colorado Springs

So you are saying that because there is a hint of truth to the rantings of a racist, that his organization should be forgiven for spreading ignorance and hate.

Go to any White Supremacy website. You will see lots of true statistics about Black on White Crime. You will see news stories like the one from Knoxville where 5 black people tortured and finally killed two white UT students but were never charged with hate crimes.

You will see more true facts than you will ever have time to read.

So is it alright that they also happen to spread hate and ignorance?

Looking forward to your answer.

By Truth

April 1, 2008 1:47 PM | Link to this

Chhuck

So you don’t think that the fact that Obama is a bigot is important in this race?

Are we going to be forced to be that politically correct on THIS?

I think it is the central theme of this election and so do a large part of the American Population. The Democrats knew what Obama was before they ran him. They knew what this would do, and they knew everyone would blame Republicans.

Look at this forum. Look at how many Democrats simply refuse to debate this because the arguments against Obama are astronomical. Some spammer is trying to shut this forum down. They DO NOT WANT THIS DISCUSSON TO TAKE PLACE.

By Copyleft

April 1, 2008 2:04 PM | Link to this

I know Chuck won’t get this, but I’ll give it one more shot.

“If this was a WHITE preacher standing up there using the N word EVEN ONCE, you would be all over him.”

Yes, I would. I also wouldn’t vote for him if he were running for office. Is Rev. Wright running for office?

And to the continually-ironically named “Truth:” I would ask McCain about his own views if he attended such a church, and I would listen to his answer. It seems that the Obama-haters aren’t interested in his own views, just in their opportunity to attack him by proxy.

“If you knew that the pastor of YOUR church had these racist views toward BLACK people, WOULD YOU CONTINUE TO BE A MEMBER OF THAT CHURCH?”

If I knew my pastor were a racist, I’d be tempted to leave the church. Is there any indication that Rev. Wright is a raving, bigoted monster that the right wing likes to portray him as? And would my decision to stay OR leave have ANYTHING whatsoever to do with my ability to hold public office?

Again, if you have some evidence that OBAMA—not Rev. Wright, OBAMA himself—is bigoted in his attitudes, by all means present it.

“So you don’t think that the fact that Obama is a bigot is important in this race?

Funny that you still call yourself “truth” while spewing such unsupported lies. Where’s the evidence—from Obama’s own lips, if you please? And by the way—are you subjecting the other candidates to similar ‘scrutiny,’ i.e., guilt-by-association attacks with zero evidence?

By Copyleft

April 1, 2008 2:11 PM | Link to this

Getting a little paranoid there, “Truth”? Spammers have been a long-standing problem on this forum, since LONG before Obama even declared his candidacy. Quit jumping at shadows.

As I said before: If McCain went to a ‘racist’ church, I’d ask McCain his own views on race. Obama has answered your question, but you’re not satisfied. (Big surprise.)

“Obama has no idea what he is up against.”

Of course he does! And so does Hillary, since she got to see the same right-wing media smear campaign up-close and personal for most of a decade. (American Spectator, anyone?)

By AlmostLaugh

April 1, 2008 2:18 PM | Link to this

Some spammer is trying to shut this forum down. They DO NOT WANT THIS DISCUSSON TO TAKE PLACE.

You mean it is a Spam Conspiracy? I thought conspiracies were a Hillary Clinton thing.

This is almost the Laugh of the Week.

By Truth

April 1, 2008 2:20 PM | Link to this

copyleft

And to the continually-ironically named “Truth:” I would ask McCain about his own views if he attended such a church, and I would listen to his answer. It seems that the Obama-haters aren’t interested in his own views, just in their opportunity to attack him by proxy.

So I take it that you were here, absolutely raising hell about the fact that Trent Lott lost his Congressional Position because he had actually said something good about Strom Thurman. Is that true. Were you defending Trent Lott?

Is there any indication that Rev. Wright is a raving, bigoted monster that the right wing likes to portray him as?

How many video clips would you like? How many would it take to convince you? Not articles. Not opinions of others, but long and detialed video clips that wre from his church’s website where they sell those comments as the central message of the church.

Again, if you have some evidence that OBAMA—not Rev. Wright, OBAMA himself—is bigoted in his attitudes, by all means present it.

His first book. Comments he has made since then, his support of a raving bigot for 20 years. Again, what woud it take, pal. You tell me. Would this slick-a* politician need to publically admit his bigoted stances before you would accept it? is that the standard you would require from a White Person?

You called TOJ a racist and couldn’t present a single post he had written that even comes close. Your hypocrisy is disgusting.

My FACTS are supported. Yours lies and accusations have never been.

By FactCheck

April 1, 2008 2:23 PM | Link to this

Get off this The Democrats are running(anyone). the individual runs until the conventions and then there are formal nominations, and THEN you can whine about what the party is running.

The GOP are scared to death of Obama because they know he can beat McCain, which is why they would prefer the Democratic nominee be Hillary, since McCain can beat her.

By Truth

April 1, 2008 2:28 PM | Link to this

Copyleft

American Spectator, anyone?

LOL.,.. Now there’s a media outlet that everyone goes to. LOL

You called TOJ a racist just because you didn’t like him. Your standards for Black people are obviously very different from your standards for White people.

No matter what you are presented with, you will never change your views.

It is sad, but true. Most liberals have ran away, knowing that Obama’s racist actions can’t be defended. You think that we will forget your past behavior who would call anyone a racist that you felt deserved it. No evidence has EVER been required for you, until now and unless it is about a Black person.

If you KNEW that I went to KKK meetings, would you call me a racist?

By Truth

April 1, 2008 2:30 PM | Link to this

factcheck (Sideline sniper)

Thanks. You always add so much to the discussion. So much nonsense and slobbering, that is.

By Truth

April 1, 2008 2:36 PM | Link to this

Copyleft

Getting a little paranoid there, “Truth”? Spammers have been a long-standing problem on this forum, since LONG before Obama even declared his candidacy. Quit jumping at shadows.

Not daytime spam and not ever even close to this extent. And the lazy slobs at the incredibly liberal AJC has always cleaned it up, but not this week.

Any odds that next week’s subject will be far away from Barrack Obama? They are known for continuing subjects. My money says that this one will not been seen again, here.

By FactCheck

April 1, 2008 2:45 PM | Link to this

Any odds that next week’s subject will be far away from Barrack Obama

very well could be but of course I am certain we will hear all about Obama from you. AGAIN.

By chuck

April 1, 2008 2:45 PM | Link to this

I knew that you wouldn’t answer the question truthfully copy. The question is not whether or nor OBAMA himself is a bigot. The question in my mind is, what kind of JUDGEMENT does one exhibit when he remains in a church for 20 years listening to HIS CLOSE FRIEND AND MENTOR spew this racist garbage? If he says that he did not know that HIS CLOSE FRIEND AND MENTOR had these views, then HE IS EITHER A LIAR OR HE IS CLUELESS. Plain and simple. You just don’t become close to people in church without picking up on these things. In either case (liar or clueless) he showed an incredible lack of acumen for one who wants to lead the FREE WORLD.

TOJ, I really could not care less about this issue. I am much more concerned by this statement that he made in just the last couple of days:

“Look, I got two daughters — 9 years old and 6 years old,” he said. “I am going to teach them first about values and morals, but if they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby. I don’t want them punished with an STD at age 16, so it doesn’t make sense to not give them information.”

Equating PREGNANCY with an STD. Now THAT is SCARY.

I’m concerned that he is apparently a serial LIAR, just like the last dem we had in office. He stated that his Mother and Father met and hooked up at the Selma March and that he was a product of that hookup. Only problem was that he was born 4 YEARS after the March. Now that is a long gestation period.

He called himself a LAW PROFESSOR when he was actually just an instructor. (For those of you who aren’t familiar with higher ed, there is a HUGE difference between the 2). And many others that are beginning to come out.

Add to that his vote to allow a complete gun ban, favoring partial birth abortion, wanting to take as much of my money as he can and the fact that he is even more liberal than TEDDY BOY KENNEDY. I think we have more serious issues than whether or not he is a bigot.

By chuck

April 1, 2008 2:45 PM | Link to this

I knew that you wouldn’t answer the question truthfully copy. The question is not whether or nor OBAMA himself is a bigot. The question in my mind is, what kind of JUDGEMENT does one exhibit when he remains in a church for 20 years listening to HIS CLOSE FRIEND AND MENTOR spew this racist garbage? If he says that he did not know that HIS CLOSE FRIEND AND MENTOR had these views, then HE IS EITHER A LIAR OR HE IS CLUELESS. Plain and simple. You just don’t become close to people in church without picking up on these things. In either case (liar or clueless) he showed an incredible lack of acumen for one who wants to lead the FREE WORLD.

TOJ, I really could not care less about this issue. I am much more concerned by this statement that he made in just the last couple of days:

“Look, I got two daughters — 9 years old and 6 years old,” he said. “I am going to teach them first about values and morals, but if they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby. I don’t want them punished with an STD at age 16, so it doesn’t make sense to not give them information.”

Equating PREGNANCY with an STD. Now THAT is SCARY.

I’m concerned that he is apparently a serial LIAR, just like the last dem we had in office. He stated that his Mother and Father met and hooked up at the Selma March and that he was a product of that hookup. Only problem was that he was born 4 YEARS after the March. Now that is a long gestation period.

He called himself a LAW PROFESSOR when he was actually just an instructor. (For those of you who aren’t familiar with higher ed, there is a HUGE difference between the 2). And many others that are beginning to come out.

Add to that his vote to allow a complete gun ban, favoring partial birth abortion, wanting to take as much of my money as he can and the fact that he is even more liberal than TEDDY BOY KENNEDY. I think we have more serious issues than whether or not he is a bigot.

By SlobThis

April 1, 2008 3:00 PM | Link to this

I am going to teach them first about values and morals, but if they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby. I don’t want them punished with an STD at age 16, so it doesn’t make sense to not give them information.”

Chuck, I know you are not an English teacher, but those are actually TWO separate sentences there and in fact, are two separate thoughts. Both related to inadequate information.

By Thestoryteller

April 1, 2008 3:05 PM | Link to this

She was born in 1944 on a middle Georgia plantation owned by Miss May. During her childhood it was a requirement for people of color to address all white girls as “Miss” when they reached the age of 12. Her family did everything for Miss May. Planted and raised her cotton and corn, fed, killed and processed her cattle and hogs, painted her house, patched her roof, ran her dairy. Her father was Miss May’s chauffeur, taking her anywhere at any hour of the day or night. Miss May lived in a large white house with green shutters and a luxuriant lawn. Her family lived in a shack with no electricity or running water, under a rusty tin roof than let in rain and wind. (to be continued)

By chuck

April 1, 2008 3:20 PM | Link to this

Rhetorically speaking, those statements were EQUIVALENT, SLOB. When you are making an assertion in a speech, repition of an idea is an effective way of getting your point across. If his use of the EXACT SAME PHRASING was not planned, then maybe he isn’t as eloquent as you thought.

By chuck

April 1, 2008 3:24 PM | Link to this

oops, REPETITION

BTW, in Rhetoric it is called: Anaphora (repetition of a word or phrase in consecutive sentences)

By SlobThis

April 1, 2008 3:34 PM | Link to this

I have never said he was eloquent; I don’t even follow all this pre-party(convention)-nomination stuff. Any English teachers in the crowd?

By Thestoryteller

April 1, 2008 3:49 PM | Link to this

During the Depression her father, desperate to feed his hardworking family, asked for a raise… from $10 a month to $12. Miss May said she wouldn’t pay that amount to a white man and she certainly wouldn’t pay it to a n——-; she’d milk her own cows before she paid a n——- that much money.

She and her brother walked five miles to school while the school bus carrying white boys and girls passed them by each day. Her school was a discarded army barracks that black parents struggled to turn into classrooms. The white school was a brick building. They had no books; she and her classmates inherited the cast-off books previously used in the all-white schools.

By lozen

April 1, 2008 4:22 PM | Link to this

I am going to teach them first about values and morals, Let’s just ignore that part okay? Let’s just say he equates a baby with an std!

but if they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby. See that period right there?

There are people who do want them punished with a baby! How many times have we heard, Women should pay for having sex!!!! Women should never, ever, ever have sex unless they have a piece of paper from the state that says it’s okay to have sex (a marriage license)!!!! If women don’t follow the rules then they should pay! They should be punished! Ban abortion! Make birth control hard to get! Women should be forced to bring every pregnancy to term. They should pay for mistakes and pay and pay! They should have to raise kids with no help. Women who have abortions are bad, bad, bad. Single mothers are bad, bad, bad. Make ‘em pay for having sex! And don’t think about taking my tax money to help ‘em either. Lazy welfare moms!

I don’t want them punished with an STD at age 16,

Make em pay!!! God wants em to get STDs to show them they have to be virgins until they marry! I agree this was two different thoughts. He was not equating a baby with an std. Those are two different punishments for being given no information!

• so it doesn’t make sense to not give them information.*

No, Obama it doesn’t make sense not to give them information. It doesn’t make sense to remove any options available. Give them information and love and birth control and abortion and support and tolerance. They’re human beings; they’ll make mistakes. Only crazy people want them to have babies when they’re 16. Only crazy people want them to have stds when they’re 16.

Only crazy people take your message and twist it into something terrible. Based on that sound bite what I see is intelligence, compassion, and a loving and responsible father.

By Bruno

April 1, 2008 4:28 PM | Link to this

Hey guys—I’m back from Showcase with the new equipment. It got so bloody, they had to call in the paramedics to rescue the salespeople.

Here’s what I bought, Truth: Instead of the Nikon D80, I went with the Nikon D60, which is essentially the same camera with a lighter body. It’s a little bit of an overkill for my immediate purposes, but I’ll be prepared for the future that way. I got the Wescott 2-light constant light kit, along with a good quality Safari carbon fiber tripod (Thanks again, Lyrazel). I bought an Epson R280 photo printer along with the required accessories in order to print the photos. On the video side, I went with the Canon ZR900 DV camcorder. I was able to bully them into matching or beating all the B H Photo prices online with just a tad bit of haggling. The only concession I made was to purchase an extended warranty on the Nikon for $80. I got out the door for around $2000, including accessories and sales tax. Thanks again for everyone’s helpful suggestions!

Tack on $600 for my new jerry Garcia tattoo, and it was an expensive day. Can anyone give me a loan??

By Bruno

April 1, 2008 4:34 PM | Link to this

Also, Truth and chuck—Is there any way you can let the Rev. Wright “controversy” go?? Ultimately, it’s a non-story. We have to judge Obama’s suitability for office by his views on the various issues, not so much by the company he keeps. Though you might think you’re building a good case against him by continually harping on it, I think you’re just causing the “other side” to become more entrenched in their support for him. Let’s talk issues, if possible, although Shaunti, in her infinite wisdom, DID choose it for the topic of the week.

What do you say, fellows?

By Bruno

April 1, 2008 4:40 PM | Link to this

A shout out to Archie and lozen. Keep on posting!

As for me, I’m going to try a “kinder, gentler” approach to life again. Hopefully, neither of you are Neil Young fans, or I’m busted.

Hint: In his song, “Keep On Rockin’ In the Free World”, he immortalizes Gorge Bush Sr.’s line with the cynical lyric “We’ve got a kinder, gentler machine gun hand”. Gotta love Neil….

SO, keep on rockin’ in the free world!!

By Bruno

April 1, 2008 4:50 PM | Link to this

Too bad I never heard back from Shirley regarding his views about evolution. I was just SURE he was going to dazzle me with the facts which prove Darwinian Evolution is anything more than a stupid idea. Oh well, wrong again…..

By Thestoryteller

April 1, 2008 4:56 PM | Link to this

In her early twenties she joined the freedom movement in Mississippi to try to help sharecroppers like her parents who had been thrown off the land they’d always known, the plantations, for attempting to exercise their ‘democratic’ right to vote. White people threw broken beer bottles at her when she worked to register voters in Georgia.

She has lived the painful history of unspeakable inequality in our country.

Surprise. She supports Obama. Surprise. She does not care what Rev. Wright said. She understands what Rev. Wright said. The bottom line: “With whom do we have a better chance of surviving the madness and fear we are presently enduring, and with whom do we wish to set off on a journey of new possibilty?”

By chuck

April 2, 2008 7:40 AM | Link to this

Wow Lozen. While I am certain that YOUR parents thought they were being “PUNISHED WITH A BABY”, MINE thought they were being BLESSED with one. I guess it is all about your perception and outlook on LIFE.

Obama’s statement could not have been clearer OR MORE OFFENSIVE to the millions of babies, (now children teens and adultsn no thanks to you baby killers out there) who were born to out of wedlock single teenage mothers

By Truth

April 2, 2008 8:13 AM | Link to this

Bruno

Also, Truth and chuck—Is there any way you can let the Rev. Wright “controversy” go?? Ultimately, it’s a non-story.

So now we can’t talk about Obama’s racism at all.

I see.

In 1992, the country had to accept that Bill Clinton had no character. Character didn’t matter. But now bigotry doesn’t matter.

Can we talk about his connections with a Chicago mobster?

How about his past job as a lawyer for a slum lord?

His wife and her lack of pride in her country?

No talk about the NAZI regime. It just hits too close to home.

No talk about the KKK. There are just too many parallels with modern Black bigotry. Certainly wouldn’t want to hurt anyone’s feelings.

We already can’t talk about Black on White crime, Black on Black crime, crime statistics in general, unwed mother statistics and the 30,000,000 dead children that abortions have taken from us.

Let’s support churches like Obama supports. Black children should be taught to hate anyone with white skin. Screw what MLK said. Judge a person by the content of his character? Damn. What an idiot. Get used to being treated like crap by lots of Black people. That hate you are seeing from them is taught to their children in their churches and homes, but you don’t want to talk about it.

You are talking about a politically correct brand of fascism. And the really disturbing thing is, you don’t even see a problem with what you are asking.

Sometimes liberals just creep me out. A few weeks ago several on here started calling TOJ a racist. No one even tried to offer a single post he had written that supported that accusation and you had not a single word to say about that. But here you are trying to stop discussion about a bigoted, racist, millionaire lawyer that would step over you if you were dying on the sidewalk in front of him.

Unbelievable.

Good luck with that camera, pal.

By SidelineSniper

April 2, 2008 9:07 AM | Link to this

Plus Obama is going to turn this country over to all those warring African Tribes, and then they gonna Kill All the White Folk.

(snorting)

By Lyrazel

April 2, 2008 9:21 AM | Link to this

They keep the spam up because it constitutes a hit, thus can use their hit statistics to sell advertising and broaden claims this site is popular. They keep the spam because both writers on this blog never supervise the page whereas other columns are watched by their writers.

I believe everyone in this world has been confronted by racism. Its how we behave after, if we swallow the bull or become pitifully cynical or try to change the speaker’s opinion. Racism is universal and there is not one country that does not have racists and there is not one religion that can look back to its history and not find racism being preached. We should understand racial intolerance cannot benefit anyone, any creed, any country but we are human and social by nature thus racism also bonds us to a group identity. Us vs them… same as it ever was.

By JokesOn

April 2, 2008 9:26 AM | Link to this

Late to the discussion, but:

Conservatives look at 20 years of exposing himself and his wife to a racial bigot that would easily rival the worst of the KKK.

You are thinking of the same KKK that I am, right? The one that burned dozens of children at a time locked in churches? You think his church would easily rival that behavior? Point to a source advocating killing white children and etc please or retract accurately.

We look at his forcing his children to set under the teachings of such a monster for their entire life. Monster? Same as above. Look up the definition of monster and show me how he, as consumed by the past as he may be, fits that definition or retract please.

You said a bit ago that you wanted to try to be civil. Lying and using hugely over exaggerated terms to depict someone are not exactly civilized.

By Truth

April 2, 2008 9:42 AM | Link to this

Lyrazel

We should understand racial intolerance cannot benefit anyone, any creed, any country but we are human and social by nature thus racism also bonds us to a group identity. Us vs them… same as it ever was.

Bonds us to a group identity? What groups do you belong to? I am astonished by half the things that have been said on here this week.

I don’t belong to a group that uses racism to bond that group. I am a middle class, white (Who knows what that means. I have darker skin than many Black people I know) person. I regularly attend functions where many, many white people are present and to say that any racist remark or joke is frowned upon would be the understatement of the week.

Make a racist joke in a group of urban white people and you will be ostracised from that group forever. This is one of many positive results of the civil Rights Movement. We were taught how absolutely wrong it is to judge a person by the color of their skin.

Why do so many people visit this forum who were obviously taught that there are excuses for overt racism?

Bigotry is bigotry is bigotry. Period.

By Bruno

April 2, 2008 9:43 AM | Link to this

So now we can’t talk about Obama’s racism at all.

I didn’t say that, Truth. I just said that his preacher’s words are ultimately a non-story. Obama’s OWN words are relevant, of course. So rather than endlessly harping about his preacher, focus on what Obama HIMSELF has said about race and race relations. If you or I were to be judged by what our associates have ever said, we’d be up the proverbial creek without a paddle. Personally, I think Obama may be guilty of racial pandering, but I don’t think that he HIMSELF is a white-hater as you claim. Again, his mother is white, as are most of his supporters and donors. SO, either he’s the best actor in the world, or he truly has no deep-seated malice in his heart toward the “white race”.

In a practical manner, your ranting about his preacher only serves to further entrench his supporters. Is that your goal?? More pointedly, just what IS your goal with all your rants?? As Nat pointed out yesterday, if you’re going to point the racist finger around, make sure you include everyone, not just a political candidate whose views you disagree with.

By Truth

April 2, 2008 9:49 AM | Link to this

JokesON

According to Wikipedia, there were 3,000 members of the KKK, nationwide in 2006. There are multiples of that number that belong to the bigot Wright’s “church.” You know as well as I do that there are hundreds if not thousands of those kinds of “churches” in the US.

ANYONE who teaches children to hate other people because of the color of their skin is no less a monster than anyone else who teaches those things.

By Bruno

April 2, 2008 9:55 AM | Link to this

Sometimes liberals just creep me out. A few weeks ago several on here started calling TOJ a racist.

You keep speaking of your blog alter-egos in the third person, as though “they” were not YOU.

C’mon, bro, I was born at night, but not last night. Own up to your own posts, or your cred on this log will slip from 2% down to .0000001%, if it already hasn’t. Be a man and own up to your words, or I’m going to place you in the same category as the sideline snipers.

Good luck with that camera, pal.

Thanks, but after a more in-depth analysis of the file sizes generated by the Nikon D60, I’m going to have to go back to Showcase and swap it out for a D40. The only appropriate file size for my postural analysis software would be in the JPEG Basic Small file setting on the D60, while I can use the JPEG Normal Small setting on the D40. The salesman was either unknowledgeable about this situation, or just wanted to sell a more expensive camera. The D40 kit goes for about $500, while the D60 kit is around $750. I’m very happy with the rest of the equipment, including the Miller carbon fibre tripod.

By Bruno

April 2, 2008 10:02 AM | Link to this

They keep the spam up because it constitutes a hit, thus can use their hit statistics to sell advertising and broaden claims this site is popular. They keep the spam because both writers on this blog never supervise the page whereas other columns are watched by their writers.

If that’s true, it’s a rather sad state of affairs for the W2W fans.

Personally, I would like to see more input from “people of color” like Archie, Nat, SusieHomemaker, and Renee. I’d even like to hear more from Jose, that is if he can develop a little thicker skin. If he plans to debate El Perro, and starts in with any whining about how unfair life is, I’m going to throw him a crying towel every time.

Plus Obama is going to turn this country over to all those warring African Tribes, and then they gonna Kill All the White Folk.

(snorting)

Nice post, Chilao. I thought about you when I rode by The Cattleman’s Association Headquarters in Macon the other day.

By Truth

April 2, 2008 10:02 AM | Link to this

Bruno

In a practical manner, your ranting about his preacher only serves to further entrench his supporters.

I’m pretty sure that was an argument offered to the people that were fighting against institutionalized bigotry in the 50s and 60s.

Obama’s OWN words are relevant, of course.

Have you read his first book?

I personally think that the ACTIONS of a slick politicians are far more important than the well crafted words of a man that is known to be a great orator.

He has said NOTHING that I didn’t expect him to say. Do you actually think he had an option? He is running for the leadership position in a country that is populated by a majority of people that he has written against and he has emotionally and financially supported an institution that teaches hate of those people. And you expected him to admit the feelings he had expressed most of his adult life?

I am just amazed that you would accept these well crafted words instead of looking at his lifelong actions.

By JokesOn

April 2, 2008 10:07 AM | Link to this

Truth,

So you are not going to acknowledge that you are exaggerating on purpose? You are really going to correlate angry people of color to white people who actually think they are above other colors of people?

You are discussing from a point of emotion and not logic, which sabotages any hope of a “civil” discussion. I think you know this and choose to because you know there is not a valid argument there.

Too bad. I was hoping for rational debate from you after your statement the other week, but you are not able to have such conversations. Meh.

Dog, All going well?

By Bruno

April 2, 2008 10:08 AM | Link to this

You said a bit ago that you wanted to try to be civil. Lying and using hugely over exaggerated terms to depict someone are not exactly civilized.

Hey buddy! It sure would be nice if we could take Other Truth/The Other Jack at his word, but his word doesn’t appear to mean too much. I truly wonder if he doesn’t start hitting the bottle early in the morning sometimes….

The craziest thing is that he keeps accusing me of being a “liberal” just because I call chuckles down on his BS on a regular basis.

By Truth

April 2, 2008 10:15 AM | Link to this

Bruno

Damn. You are right. I really need to learn to tow the liberal line like everyone else. That penchant I have for fairness toward people of every race has got to be stopped.

I have work to do.

Have fun.

By Bruno

April 2, 2008 10:15 AM | Link to this

I am just amazed that you would accept these well crafted words instead of looking at his lifelong actions.

You speak endlessly about his book, so why don’t you pull up a few quotes for us and we can analyze THOSE words, and not the words of Rev. Wright who is NOT RUNNING FOR OFFICE.

Also, a thousand thanks again for recommending Showcase. Kenny in the video dept. is AWESOME to work with. Rather than pushing me into an expensive video camera, he recommended the Canno ZR900 for around $250. If anyone needs video equipment, go see Kenny at Showcase. Sheldon, the photo manager, is ok, but ultimately his recommendation for the right digital camera for me didn’t pan out. He did cut the prices after I threatened to walk out a few times and take my business elsewhere, however.

By JokesOn

April 2, 2008 10:18 AM | Link to this

The craziest thing is that he keeps accusing me of being a “liberal” just because I call chuckles down on his BS on a regular basis.

“If you are not with us, you are against us!”

That mentality is nothing more that a childish way of saying “play my way or I will take my toys home” yet solves nothing while creating more rifts.

You know what I have been thinking? That McCain is right for the times. I like Obama more, but it may be too soon for a “love and acceptance” prez and we may need someone metered and stable to get us back on course first. A “love and acceptance” prez should come into office after this crap steadies.

By Truth

April 2, 2008 10:20 AM | Link to this

JokesON

A Bigot is a bigot. People who teach bigotry to children are monsters.

What about that do you not understand?

By Bruno

April 2, 2008 10:20 AM | Link to this

Dog, All going well?

Overall, yes. I’ve started working again, although only PT for now. The new GF is a pain in the keister, but such is life. Sobriety turned out to be a lot easier than I thought, however. I still like to go to clubs to hear good live music, but I hate going home smelling like an ashtray from all the cigarette smokers. Is that why you avoid the clubs?

How are things with you.

By Bruno

April 2, 2008 10:25 AM | Link to this

On the political front, I have to give Hillary some credit. After seeing a video of Obama trying to bowl, she suggested that they settle the nomination question via a bowling match. My kind of woman! Of course, she immediately blew any new-found goodwill in me by comparing herself to Rocky while in Philadelphia (Filth-adelphia for the uninitiated) the other day. For anyone who grew up in the Philly area, you just don’t do that. Pure blasphemy. I won’t be surprised if she loses PA in the upcoming primary based on that gaffe alone. Blasphemy, I say!

By Bruno

April 2, 2008 10:30 AM | Link to this

Damn. You are right. I really need to learn to tow the liberal line like everyone else. That penchant I have for fairness toward people of every race has got to be stopped.

If you want credibility in MY book, Truth, you have to start presenting a more “fair and balanced view”, or you’ll be just as guilty as the far left-wingers in their one-sided myopic viewpoints. That’s all I’m asking. If you’re going to harp about reverse discrimination (as I do) and “black racism” (as I do), then you have to start by first acknowledging that these same folks have been presented the s** end of the stick for most of their lives (as I do). Fair enough?

By JokesOn

April 2, 2008 10:34 AM | Link to this

A Bigot is a bigot. People who teach bigotry to children are monsters.

What about that do you not understand?

How you can equate an organization that terrorized and killed numerous blacks with a black person that is still angry for that treatment.

So, without (incorrectly) normalizing all behaviors to fit your POV; you really have no point.

Yeah, I got it. And rant and hysteria is all you got. Meh.

By JokesOn

April 2, 2008 10:37 AM | Link to this

I still like to go to clubs to hear good live music, but I hate going home smelling like an ashtray from all the cigarette smokers. Is that why you avoid the clubs?

That and just too darn busy!

How are things with you. Alright. Have a couple of issues I am dealing with but as it should be. Any good points (not sifting through the ranting) this week or totally hijacked by the ranter?

By Bruno

April 2, 2008 10:41 AM | Link to this

You know what I have been thinking? That McCain is right for the times. I like Obama more, but it may be too soon for a “love and acceptance” prez and we may need someone metered and stable to get us back on course first. A “love and acceptance” prez should come into office after this crap steadies.

It seems the left-wingers keep trying to portray McCain as kind of a “Bush-lite” figure, but I don’t see it that way. I think that he’s ultimately a more intelligent, more cmpassionate man who is in touch with we “common folk” more than Bush Sr. and GWB rolled into one. I still think Bush Sr. lost his reelection bid when a debate host asked him just how much a gallon of milk cost ala “The Price Is Right”. Bush Sr. just stared at the camera and said he had no idea. Bzzzzzzz. Wrong answer. I was shocked that he didn’t even try to make an educated guess.

A lot of people point out that the invasion of Iraq was, at least in part a “Family Feud” between the Bushes and Saddam. possibly some truth to that, although I do think that there were many other legitimate reasons to invade. Of course, if our military REALLY had balls, we’d be kickin’ butt in both Saudi Arabia and North Korea right now.

A kiss from Richard Dawson to all the ladies, speaking of hitting the bottle early in the morning….. DO any of you old timers remember “The Galloping Gourmet”. That cat used to drink on-air sometimes.

By JokesOn

April 2, 2008 10:43 AM | Link to this

Irrational rant: Damn. You are right. I really need to learn to tow the liberal line like everyone else. That penchant I have for fairness toward people of every race has got to be stopped.

Undeserved logical coaxing to the table: If you want credibility in MY book, Truth, you have to start presenting a more “fair and balanced view”, or you’ll be just as guilty as the far left-wingers in their one-sided myopic viewpoints. That’s all I’m asking. If you’re going to harp about reverse discrimination (as I do) and “black racism” (as I do), then you have to start by first acknowledging that these same folks have been presented the s* end of the stick for most of their lives (as I do). Fair enough?*

What do you think will be the reply? Another rant? Sarcasm? Non-funny one-liner?

Why even try Dog? He cannot even make his first post adhere to reality. Lies, rants, exaggerations, demonizing, and insults/sarcasm totals up his whole point. Each and every time.

By lyrazel

April 2, 2008 10:46 AM | Link to this

Truth: What group do I belong to? WtW of course. We be a bunch o’ opinionated gits we be! All hail! To answer you: Its how we behave after (we are confronted by racism), if we swallow the bull or become pitifully cynical or try to change the speaker’s opinion.

By Bruno

April 2, 2008 10:46 AM | Link to this

Any good points (not sifting through the ranting) this week or totally hijacked by the ranter?

To be fair, the ladies once again picked a weak topic, and the spam is out of control here. I thought I used to be pretty bad with the ranting, but TOJ has taken ranting to a whole new level.

Where are you, Mara?

By Bush Lite

April 2, 2008 10:52 AM | Link to this

I’m still going to continue this war until thousands more American soldiers and Iraqi civilians die and we have more debt to China and Saudi Arabia than you can write the zeroes on the number for, but I’m going to do it compassionately. Thank you for your support.

Paid for by Citizens for McCrusty and More of the Same S__t.

By Bruno

April 2, 2008 11:00 AM | Link to this

Lyrazel—Any old-timey TV shows that you used to enjoy? I used to love The Jackie Gleason Show, Love American Style, etc. I DID rerent some of the Laugh-In shows recently, and they weren’t as funny the second time around. The Dick Cavett Show is still light years ahead of OUR time, IMO, as well as The Steve Allen Show. As far as current talk shows, Oprah is ok, but I think Ellen Degeneres is the cream of the crop. She knows how to treat her guests.

By SidelineSniper

April 2, 2008 11:07 AM | Link to this

Bruno -

Chilao? nope, try again, more than bulls snort.

Did you go to the Rose Hill Cemetery down by the railroad tracks?

By Bruno

April 2, 2008 11:18 AM | Link to this

As for noteworthy blogs this week, JokesOn, my only good one was at 8:32 yesterday regarding Darwinian Evolution directed at Shirley, aka Chilao.

BTW, can you give me some hints as to what school chuck works at? Since he is such a “Christian”, I know that he closely follows Jesus’s admonition to do unto others as you would like them to do unto you. Since he felt that publishing my home address was a good idea, I feel that it would only be my Christian duty to return the favor. Would it be in the Buford school system?

C’mon, chuckles, be a man and put your address out here for us.

By Bruno

April 2, 2008 11:22 AM | Link to this

And how’s the weather down in Macon today, Chilao?

By JokesOn

April 2, 2008 11:23 AM | Link to this

BTW, can you give me some hints as to what school chuck works at?

I will tell you this: He is not a teacher. That is one of the many lies.

By Bruno

April 2, 2008 11:30 AM | Link to this

I will tell you this: He is not a teacher. That is one of the many lies.

I’ll have to take your word for that—for now. It would make sense, in light of his lack of knowledge on even the most basic math and science facts.

If he is a teacher, then God bless the students of GA, if that’s all the training they are going to receive in critical thinking skills. Dinosaurs on Noah’s Ark? The Earth only 10-12,000 years old? Jeeez.

By Bruno

April 2, 2008 11:33 AM | Link to this

Catch you next time, JokesOn. It looks like the sideline snipers are all a little quiet this AM.

By JokesOn

April 2, 2008 11:39 AM | Link to this

Catch you next time, JokesOn. It looks like the sideline snipers are all a little quiet this AM.

Yeah. If you do not let them tangle you up in their fantasy and ask the simple straight forward questions they scatter quite fast; like cockroaches and light;)

Take care.

By LaughoftheWeek

April 2, 2008 11:53 AM | Link to this

Darwinian Evolution directed at Shirley, aka Chilao.

so much for Bruno’s brilliance.

By lozen

April 2, 2008 12:39 PM | Link to this

Hey Lyrazel! Good to hear from you…

I’m still going to continue this war until thousands more American soldiers and Iraqi civilians die and we have more debt to China and Saudi Arabia than you can write the zeroes on the number for, but I’m going to do it compassionately. Thank you for your support.

I will also try to change that nasty Roe v Wade that gave women in this country the right to choose when and if they want kids. Why would anyone ever think women have enough sense to make that decision for themselves? We men are smarter. We know we might not have enough fodder for our next military action if women can choose when to have kids. Look at the trouble we’re having with Iraq! Now I have gone along with everything Bush has wanted. I have supported his every desire. (Don’t know why some people think I’ll be different once I’m the prez.) And I’m supported by Rev. Hagee who is a zealous fool, wishing and praying for Armageddon but nobody’s paying any attention to that! I guess I’m just lucky. Nobody even talks about how old I am and how I might not even make it through a term in office! Thank you for your support!

Paid for by Citizens for McCrusty and More of the Same S__t.

By Truth

April 2, 2008 12:57 PM | Link to this

Bruno

If you’re going to harp about reverse discrimination (as I do) and “black racism” (as I do), then you have to start by first acknowledging that these same folks have been presented the s* end of the stick for most of their lives (as I do). Fair enough?*

What the hell are you talking about? The parents and grandparents of today’s Blacks? Damn right. They were handed crap. But not by me or my ancestors. My ancestors were coal miners. Everyone is Black in a coal mine.

I am having a hard time getting through Obama’s first book. It is really just lie after lie after lie. His grandparents enrolled him in the famous Punahou prep school in Hawaii (current tuition $14,725). With 3,750 students from K-12, it has educated the rich and powerful from Hawaii since it’s founding in the early 1800s.

According to Obamas fantasy known as his first book, Punahou was a nightmare of racial insensitivity, with one of his fellow students even asking to touch his hair. What he doesn’t say is that Punahou was quite possibly the most racially diverse prep school in America. It officially opened its doors to ALL races in 1851. Sun Yat-sen, the first president of China, attended it in the 1880s. In Obama’s eighth grade class picture, at least seven and perhaps as many as ten of the 21 students are non-white. But it, along with every life experience he mentions is yet another reason that White people are evil.

The only direct quote I can find in my limited time here is this: “It is this world, a world where cruise ships throw away more food in a day than most residents of Port-au-Prince see in a year, where white folks’ greed runs a world in need, apartheid in one hemisphere, apathy in another hemisphere… That’s the world! On which hope sits!”

Of course this is just another rant and should be dismissed.

Now I’m off to my KKK meeting which I have attended for 20 years and exposed my children to. But don’t judge me now. I’m not the one saying those horribly racist remarks. I just attend and give them lots of money.

I am a man of love and hope. Never mind what I did. Just look at what I am saying and how well it is being said.

See ya. Still trying to get some work done.

BTW. Kenny is the best.

By Lyrazel

April 2, 2008 1:08 PM | Link to this

Bruno I can’t say I am a TV buff but I remember shows like Its About Time, You Bet Your Life & You Are There. My older sister has a little yappy dog that runs in circles when I visit and I say: Has Timmy fallen in the well?

Lozen, have you ever noticed the best qualified to be President are rarely on the campaign trail or nominated by The PARTY? Good hearing you too!

By Truth

April 2, 2008 1:09 PM | Link to this

Lozen

30,000,000 dead Americans. 1/10th of our population. All because you have been led to believe that one person’s right to live is more important than another’s. And this is a direct result of the financial support of the multi-billion dollar abortion industry.

So you reduce the importance of those lives by claiming it is all about a simple choice.

My kids survived the mantra of your kind of politics. 30 million didn’t. They are ALL dead and discarded. And like it or not, they were all people, just a lot younger than you.

And oddly enough, no one calls what you wrote a rant.

How strange. Looking at a liberal’s writing with a different standard than lokking at a conservative’s writings?

Say it ain’t so!!

By chuck

April 2, 2008 1:12 PM | Link to this

Yep, that’s right. I’m NOT A TEACHER. You are a complete dufus jokeson. I’m glad to see that you have me all figured out.

By JokesOn

April 2, 2008 1:34 PM | Link to this

Looking at a liberal’s writing with a different standard than lokking at a conservative’s writings?

Lozen is not lying/exaggerating in her post. Slight difference. But we do not expect you to understand that.

By Bruno

April 2, 2008 1:42 PM | Link to this

BTW. Kenny is the best.

I’ve got to sing the praises of Sheldon now as well, since he exchanged the Nikon D60 camera for the N40 with a smile on his face. The features on the D60 are nice (anti-shake lenses, automatic dust removal), but the output files just weren’t useful for the software I plan to load them into.

Bruno I can’t say I am a TV buff but I remember shows like Its About Time, You Bet Your Life & You Are There. My older sister has a little yappy dog that runs in circles when I visit and I say: Has Timmy fallen in the well?

It’s to bad that a show like You Bet Your Life couldn’t make it in today’s hyper-frenetic, short-attention span TV market, Lyrazel. Groucho sure was amazing. I only caught him in reruns, of course, just like The Alfred Hitchcock Show. Now I do remember, You Are There—that was a history recreation show, right?

Yep, that’s right. I’m NOT A TEACHER. You are a complete dufus jokeson. I’m glad to see that you have me all figured out.

If you are a teacher, chuckles, then how can you explain your nonsensical, bizarre, non-Biblical views which you constantly attribute to the Bible? Or isn’t reading comprehension part of the GA teacher exams?? I’m starting to get a clue as to why the GA school systems remain in the basement academically.

By Bruno

April 2, 2008 1:47 PM | Link to this

How strange. Looking at a liberal’s writing with a different standard than lokking at a conservative’s writings?

Well maybe your statement would apply if you actually were a conservative, Truth. To me, you’re just a ranter. Believe me when I say that lozen has taken her share of heat on this blog for some of her amoral positions.

BTW, weren’t you bragging a while back that you drove a Lexus, or some nonsense? Hardly the car of choice for someone who is trying to conserve, would you say? Before I retired, I had some of the wealthiest people in Atlanta as clients. None of them drove expensive luxury cars. Only the nouveau riche clients did that.

By Bruno

April 2, 2008 1:50 PM | Link to this

Ooops—that was an Infiniti you were bragging about, Other Truth, no?

By JokesOn

April 2, 2008 1:51 PM | Link to this

Yep, that’s right. I’m NOT A TEACHER. You are a complete dufus jokeson. I’m glad to see that you have me all figured out.

One day, when I need to vent, I will land blast you. We will discuss divorce, late child support payments, unemployment and gas stations - but for now I will do what I know is right and not post private info; especially since there are a couple complaints regarding you doing this right now.

By Lyrazel

April 2, 2008 1:53 PM | Link to this

Is chuck the same Chuck that battled Boswell for WtWs first 2 years about if Catholicism was actually christianity? Ah nostalgia…

By Bruno

April 2, 2008 1:59 PM | Link to this

I am having a hard time getting through Obama’s first book. It is really just lie after lie after lie.

Hmmm—seems like you represented that you have already read the book, cover-to-cover, Other Truth, based on your constant references to it. “lie after lie after lie” indeed!

Maybe you use this blog like me, to just blow off some steam. If so, I can relate to that. But please, please don’t represent yourself as some kind of conservative, ok? We don’t need your kind of “help” on the issues.

By Nat Turner

April 2, 2008 2:00 PM | Link to this

What burns me up with people like Truth is that they don’t ever put themselves in that situation. Just because there were diverse people in the school doesn’t mean that they can’t be racist. Keep in mind the time that he was in the prep school. It wasn’t like it was 2005.

I am 30 years old, and have stories about encountering racism. I went to a major university in Georgia, 30,000 students, and encountered some of the most racist students my AGE at the time. Kids telling other kids what the black kids going to do without free and reduced lunch? Why are they here? They don’t belong here. Other people riding down the street and yelling the “N” word out at me as I walk home from downtown. This all happened in 2002. A college professor telling us that he is going to talk about the lower races (blacks and Native Americans) in a class of 30 students and three of them black. Another student calling me a gorilla.

So, don’t talk that mess until you have been there.

By Bruno

April 2, 2008 2:03 PM | Link to this

One day, when I need to vent, I will land blast you. We will discuss divorce, late child support payments, unemployment and gas stations - but for now I will do what I know is right and not post private info; especially since there are a couple complaints regarding you doing this right now.

Hey, good stuff, JokesOn. I do remember chuck “bragging” how satisfying it is for him when the “high and mighty” fall. Do you think he might apply the same standards to himself?

By Bruno

April 2, 2008 2:11 PM | Link to this

So, don’t talk that mess until you have been there.

Glad to hear from you, Nat. Will you stick around? I like your input. And don’t mind if I bark at you once in a while. I do it to everyone.

By JokesOn

April 2, 2008 2:11 PM | Link to this

Do you think he might apply the same standards to himself?

Yeah, right!

He and Truth (toj) cannot even comprehend the notion of “standards.” Their posts are motivated purely by emotion void of all rational thought.

By chuck

April 2, 2008 2:23 PM | Link to this

Feel free any time jokeson. I don’t know who you think I am, but that ain’t me. If the fool isn’t paying his child support he deserves to be outed, but I doubt whoever it is ever reads or participates in this blog.

As for that whimpering little dog in the corner, he outed HIMSELF. He listed so much information about himself on here that a 3-year-old could have found him. He linked sites to his PICTURE for pete’s sake. I did post his address 1 time because he had a freaking meltdown and was basically maniacal, going ballistic on everyone here and talking to himself. I really felt sorry for him for awhile. I posted that to remind him that he needed to be civil on the blog.

He forgets, conveniently so, that I apologized to him and even instructed him how to get the info off of the blog, which btw he did.

By JokesOn

April 2, 2008 2:29 PM | Link to this

Nat,

So, don’t talk that mess until you have been there.

Agreed.

I still cannot believe the number of people that use the “my ancestors were not part of that group” crap. It is about (lack of) choice and having no background what-so-ever.

Most of us could lose everything and still have support of friends/family that would keep us from living under a bridge. A group of people not only were void of that “luxury” because whites in that era intentionally tore the families apart.

Many people think the second white america “gave” them equality all should have magically righted itself. Crazy.

I understand, yet do not condone, why a black person would be pretty angered. Many people cannot even begin to understand why they would be angered. And, moreover, think that understanding another’s POV is the same as accepting the behavior (see chucks brand of christianity regarding gay marriage).

By Bruno

April 2, 2008 2:29 PM | Link to this

I will say one thing, Nat—I’ve gotten along a LOT better with the black cops over the years than the white ones in my various scrapes with the laws. A couple of sincere “Yes, SIR”s, and everything was mellow. Now those white SOBs, I better not go into too much detail here….

By Bruno

April 2, 2008 2:34 PM | Link to this

He linked sites to his PICTURE for pete’s sake

Do you really think that was MY picture,chuckles? Think again.

He forgets, conveniently so, that I apologized to him and even instructed him how to get the info off of the blog, which btw he did.

No problem. I’ll definitely sincerely apologize after we have our “date with destiny”, ok scumbag?

By Archie

April 2, 2008 2:37 PM | Link to this

Lozen Paid for by Citizens for McCrusty and More of the Same S__t. I liked your entire post although I only copied part of it. I am also glad to read Lyrazel but it’s sad that this blog has become like some sports blogs with so much racist and illogical ranting. Woman to Woman was the place where you had opinions and legitimate people posting, now it’s as if only non-legit people post over and over.

Jokeson, you know Chuck isn’t a teacher?? Wow!! JokesOn you still didn’t answer my question from a few weeks ago but you’re still one of my favorites.

Bruno, I would like to hear more from Renee and SusieHomemaker myself but you can’t debate with racist rantings because there are no logical points to argue. Anderson Cooper,Anderson Cooper did a good job discussing one or Rev Wright’s sermons and he put it in context not just rant about a clip. I deal with someone that in my opinion is racist here at work but the person who straightened the situation out was a white female. My point is you can’t judge a person by their color alone and if something is ingrained in you, you don’t know what you’re doing. The loudest defenders of Rev Wright have been white and the reason is that some of the stuff he says you could have heard from a white,progressive person anywhere, anytime. The white female I refer to does not know how to do what I do but she knew the workload was unfair whereas the people under just couldn’t see it and didn’t care, but she did. My next point is that people with authority need to really be unbiased people as much as possible because in my situation I was going to take my grievance as far as I needed to take it. Well the female in this situation fixed my grievance. My 3rd point is that although I voted for Hillary, I know she has some issues with the truth just like other politicians. She means well but she’s a politician but then so is Kwame Kilpatrick,John McCain, Barack Obama. I mentioned those men because every last one of them has lied and one of them under oath. Barack and McCain are equivocating when it comes to their positions on campaign money.

By JokesOn

April 2, 2008 2:50 PM | Link to this

JokesOn you still didn’t answer my question from a few weeks ago but you’re still one of my favorites.

Sorry. Which question was that? I did answer how I could rail against GWB and vote for McCain.

By Archie

April 2, 2008 3:04 PM | Link to this

Sorry. Which question was that? I did answer how I could rail against GWB and vote for McCain I didn’t see your answer and I apologize because I kinda tune out the blog once all the ranting starts. I am just curious as to your views JokesOn. Anyway I have long suspected some folk are not legit and I do miss SusieHomemaker,Renee,Jack,72John,Brian Curtis and JBM.

As for my experience with cops, it’s about even between the black and white cops.

By JokesOn

April 2, 2008 3:29 PM | Link to this

I am just curious as to your views JokesOn.

As I see it McCain is doing his best at distancing himself from GWB without alienating himself in the process. So much of what he says seems to be in code stating things like “I would encourage metered decision making regarding the progress of the war.” Most, if not all, of his statements can be seen as counter to what GWB has done.

I personally do not think that there is quick fix to any of the big issues. That being said, I like the idea of getting stable and then getting obama in office to change directions. Changing directions during this volatile time seems unwise. Plus, it may be a waste of a good candidate (obama) to be mixed up in all this GWB aftermath.

By JokesOn

April 2, 2008 3:37 PM | Link to this

Changing directions during this volatile time seems unwise.

Clarification: I mean that regarding the nation, not the war. I realized what I typed sounds very similar to “stay the course.” Not at all what I mean.

By JokesOn

April 2, 2008 4:41 PM | Link to this

Meh.

By lozen

April 2, 2008 5:10 PM | Link to this

Yes, IMO, the life of a living human being is more important than the life of an unborn fetus. I don’t like abortion but it is necessary. There is no birth control method that’s 100 percent effective. A lot of young people do not think about the future or the consequences of their actions. Biologically 14 year olds can have babies but psychologically, financially, and every other way they don’t need babies. That’s one of the reasons I don’t think Yahweh is so great. If I’d created humans I would have put a little on/off switch on them for reproduction and then we wouldn’t have this mess.

Nat, very good response. He doesn’t seem to be able to put himself in anyone else’s place and try to grasp what it would be like.

There are 10,000,000 illegals here to replace some of them.

By Bruno

April 3, 2008 9:01 AM | Link to this

Yes, IMO, the life of a living human being is more important than the life of an unborn fetus. I don’t like abortion but it is necessary. There is no birth control method that’s 100 percent effective. A lot of young people do not think about the future or the consequences of their actions. Biologically 14 year olds can have babies but psychologically, financially, and every other way they don’t need babies. That’s one of the reasons I don’t think Yahweh is so great. If I’d created humans I would have put a little on/off switch on them for reproduction and then we wouldn’t have this mess.

Lozen—I will agree with you that many young people don’t have the ability to completely grasp the consequences of having an out-of-wedlock child. In fact, I think a few adults lack that same ability. That is where good parenting/mentoring comes in. My problem with your amoral position is that in all of your loud support for abortion/birth control, I’ve never seen you even one time make a case for “just saying NO”. I’m extremely curious to know why. Is it just a case of you playing the us “educated” liberals vs. those “out of touch” conservatives game in which you are unable to make any concessions that the “other side” has a few valid points to make, or do you truly believe that moral guidance has no place at all in sex education?? This is also my major bone of contention (pun intended) with state-sponsored sex ed. Amidst all the condom demonstrations, there doesn’t appear to be any mention of the fact that young people aren’t truly prepared emotionally to be having sex. Care to comment?

P.S. The on/off switch you think the Creator forgot to install is actually there—it’s called a conscious.

By Lyrazel

April 3, 2008 9:05 AM | Link to this

C’mon Shaunti! Tell me about your family values with your web page carrying links to pre-teen porn, bestiality, and well… what IS some of this? ANDREA YOU TOO are responsible for content seen on this page! What does your inability or apathy to stem pornographers who utilize your page to upload links say? You actually like porn. You host an internet site where links to drugs are made easily available. You agree that sex-exploitation of women, teens, boys & girls and animals can continue in this forum. You agree that children reading the AJC for class projects should be able at WtW (and no where else on the AJC) find links to sites pedophiles frequent. Maybe it will all be cleared up by tomorrow but isn’t tomorrow 24 hours too late?!

By Bruno

April 3, 2008 9:09 AM | Link to this

Oops—that should read a “conscience”—that thing that that dirtbag chuckles seems to lack in all of his self-righteous justifications for trying to harm others.

I’ll tell you what, chuckles, I’ll get off your a* if you will publicly admit the following:

(1) 80% or more of the “facts” and “moral positions” which you ascribe as being Biblical are not actually contained in the Bible. They are ridiculous, non-factual extrapolations that Taliban-like preachers have come up with over the years based upon their own hateful prejudices.

(2) You are a human being like the rest of us, replete with hate and prejudice.

(3) Specifically, your not-so-veiled hatred toward gay people is strictly a homophobic reaction, and has no justification based upon the Biblical principles of loving your neighbor and not making a career out of judging others. It’s God’s place to pass judgment on people, not yours.

Now if you are man enough to admit these things, I will back off on my attempts to disgrace you and expose you for the fraud you and your POS Southern Baptist brothers and sisters are. Deal? P.S. I won’t hold my breath waiting.

By Bruno

April 3, 2008 9:11 AM | Link to this

New suggested name for this blog—Spam to Spam.

By JokesOn

April 3, 2008 9:21 AM | Link to this

Dog,

Amidst all the condom demonstrations, there doesn’t appear to be any mention of the fact that young people aren’t truly prepared emotionally to be having sex.

I am quite certain that the federal sex ed is an abstinence only program. There are no condom demonstrations or info on alternative methods. It is a “just say no” program.

I would guess that lozen does not include “just say no” because it is already in all programs and is really a given in the situation. The times it was a topic on here everyone (but chuck) agreed that a comprehensive program should be provided, not abstinence only as GWB prescribes.

By Bruno

April 3, 2008 9:34 AM | Link to this

I am quite certain that the federal sex ed is an abstinence only program. There are no condom demonstrations or info on alternative methods. It is a “just say no” program.

Admittedly, I don’t know the specific content of sex-ed programs these days, and have to rely on the second-hand reports I get. Can anyone explain how the “Abstinence Only” programs work to me? Are they fact-based, or just based on withholding info in lieu of an unsubstantiated moral position? If it is the latter, I can see why it would fail. I was shown similar anti-drug films in school in the 1960s which were based on misinformation. For me, that didn’t sit well with my rebellious side once I found out that I was being lied to. Hopefully, some good psychologists are able to work within these programs to keep the rebellion to a minimum.

By JokesOn

April 3, 2008 9:38 AM | Link to this

Dog,

What bothered me was when I posed the question whether people would consider changing their views regarding abortion if new and pertinent info became available. No one was able to even consider changing their position.

Absolutes scare me because in most cases they actually do not exist. Everything should be considered continually.

By Bruno

April 3, 2008 9:38 AM | Link to this

C’mon Shaunti! Tell me about your family values with your web page carrying links to pre-teen porn, bestiality, and well… what IS some of this? ANDREA YOU TOO are responsible for content seen on this page! What does your inability or apathy to stem pornographers who utilize your page to upload links say? You actually like porn. You host an internet site where links to drugs are made easily available. You agree that sex-exploitation of women, teens, boys & girls and animals can continue in this forum. You agree that children reading the AJC for class projects should be able at WtW (and no where else on the AJC) find links to sites pedophiles frequent. Maybe it will all be cleared up by tomorrow but isn’t tomorrow 24 hours too late?!

Out of curiosity, Lyrazel, have you ever actually clicked on any of these links?? I haven’t, because I figure they would be too tame for me. ; > }

If I want to see bestiality in action, all I have to do is look out my back window and watch my neighbor’s Chihuahuas going at it all day long. It looks like “papa” is going exclusively for his own daughter and ignoring “mama” now. I guess incest is ok in the dog world.

By Mara

April 3, 2008 9:44 AM | Link to this

Hello all, and especially a hi-ya to Bruno who gave me a shout yesterday.

No opinion to offer on any of the points(don’t feel like being insulted, belittled, or having my statements twisted aroung today)…just scanning the posts. Y’all take care.

By JokesOn

April 3, 2008 9:49 AM | Link to this

Can anyone explain how the “Abstinence Only” programs work to me? Are they fact-based, or just based on withholding info in lieu of an unsubstantiated moral position?

They primarily explain the process and then say do not do it. Even other programs like the promise one (or something like that) have been shown to be more dangerous than comprehensive sex ed.

By Bruno

April 3, 2008 9:50 AM | Link to this

As a “pro-choice” person right down the line (including for choosing my OWN doctors, and not those chosen for me by the State), I would never propose to make abortion illegal. HOWEVER, as part of “Informed Consent”, I think ladies should be given ALL the facts before having an abortion, including the negative emotional fallout that often accompanies the procedures. It seems that the folks over at Planned Parenthood don’t want any negatives discussed. As such, I don’t feel that many young girls are making a decision based on ALL the facts.

By Bruno

April 3, 2008 9:52 AM | Link to this

No opinion to offer on any of the points(don’t feel like being insulted, belittled, or having my statements twisted aroung today)…just scanning the posts. Y’all take care.

Hopefully I wasn’t among those who twisted your words. If you’re referring to Other Truth/TOJ, me and JokesOn are doing our best to put a muzzle on him.

WOuld you please consider coming back to W2W?? I’m not the only one who misses your input.

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By JokesOn

April 3, 2008 9:56 AM | Link to this

Out of curiosity, Lyrazel, have you ever actually clicked on any of these links?? I haven’t, because I figure they would be too tame for me. ; > }

I would bet that they point to ads and virus laden sites and not porn. Just tasteless phishing.

By Bruno

April 3, 2008 9:58 AM | Link to this

I gotta run today also to get my newest tattoo scared onto my skin. Man does it “Hurt So Good”. I’m hoping an image of Jerry will help me be a little “cooler” in dealing with putzes like chuckles in the future.

By JokesOn

April 3, 2008 9:59 AM | Link to this

As a “pro-choice” person right down the line

If for instance they created a vaccine like shot for pregnancy that could be undone for 48hours by a second shot, was totally available and free, you would not consider abortion being arcane?

There is no info or change in technology that would make you at least reconsider?

By Bruno

April 3, 2008 10:01 AM | Link to this

They primarily explain the process and then say do not do it. Even other programs like the promise one (or something like that) have been shown to be more dangerous than comprehensive sex ed.

If I have my facts correct, JokesOn, I believe teen pregnancy and drug use among kids (at least illegal/non-prescription drug abuse) is down. I have read that abuse of legal substances like cough syrup are going up, though.

By Bruno

April 3, 2008 10:04 AM | Link to this

I would bet that they point to ads and virus laden sites and not porn. Just tasteless phishing.

Any volunteers to click on a link and report back???

If for instance they created a vaccine like shot for pregnancy that could be undone for 48hours by a second shot, was totally available and free, you would not consider abortion being arcane?

There is no info or change in technology that would make you at least reconsider?

I’m 1000% for birth control to prevent pregnancy in the first place. Not for 11 year olds, though.

By Bruno

April 3, 2008 10:08 AM | Link to this

One more endorsement for Nikon before I run: I’ve called the tech support twice already, got through to a human being within seconds both times, and had all my questions answered competently and efficiently. Go Nikon!!

By Bruno

April 3, 2008 10:28 AM | Link to this

Heading out… For my “Song of the Day”, I picked a Sade number for Mara and all the other beautiful ladies of the world who have so graciously put up with us men on this grey, depressing day here in Atlanta:

you think i’d leave your side baby

you know me better than that

you think i’d leave you down when you’re down on your knees

i wouldn’t do that

i’ll tell you you’re right when you want

and if only you could see into me

ha ah ah ah ah ah

.

oh when you’re cold

i’ll be there

hold you tight to me

.

when you’re on the outside baby and you can`t get in

i will show you you’re so much better than you know

when you’re lost and you’re alone and you cant get back again

i will find you darling and i will bring you home

By Mara

April 3, 2008 10:43 AM | Link to this

Would you please consider coming back to W2W?? I’m not the only one who misses your input

well aren’t you being the sweet-heart today!? Yes, I was talking about TOJ/Truth twisting other people’s words around. I’ve occasionally had the urge to post on what others have written, but chose not to because I just don’t want to deal with the abuse. Being bullied isn’t my idea of fun.

If the forum ever reverts back to actual discussion I might reconsider, but for now I’ll just keep my opinions to myself. Thanks for thinking of me though.

By chuck

April 3, 2008 12:03 PM | Link to this

Hey Lyrazel, good work scolding the writers. Though some spam has been added this motning, all the spam posts from the rest of the week are now GONE.

By Lyrazel

April 3, 2008 12:52 PM | Link to this

Out of curiosity, Lyrazel, have you ever actually clicked on any of these links?? I haven’t, because I figure they would be too tame for me Bruno, I don’t hit links like that because its obvious they are up to catch minor children, isn’t it? What adult wants to look at pre-teen porn? Its gross! Yet here it is on a site where one woman pretends she has high moral standards and the other advocates…I don’t know what yet—its on every week and we are to pretend we don’t notice. These sort of links they end up hijacking a computer to a Jamaican phone company or put your number into some police covert operation in Peachtree City who then bust you for the teen slut pop-ups that you valiantly tried to stop. I used my true email address here once (ah stupidity) I got all sorts of erectile disfunction, increase my size, pleasure my woman offers via email, bondage clothes, plus religious spam from Chuck. I started receiving postal catalogues from places like supply for drug baggies, N.R.A. membership & AARP memberships and a 8x11 color glossy photo of G.W Bush Republican contribution package thanking Lyrazel for his contributions. I started to panic when I received credit counseling service and cards for Lyrazel from MBNA.

Mara, I too get real tired and stay away only posting when Mr. HaveNoJob & Mr. PunditQuoter desire worship. I am convinced they are the same person: same spelling, same hours post, constant fishy name swapping, same name-calling and both boys froth the same way so I think they are just one lonely git but they ARE NOT the only ones who play this way in the sandbox. I am against trying to stop their posts just wish they understood what dialog and debate was or how it can change opinion but that endless ridicule is boring.

By chuck

April 3, 2008 2:01 PM | Link to this

plus religious spam from Chuck

Funny Lyrazel, but I have not and would not ever send anyone any e-mails from this site. First, e-mails aren’t displayed, so unless you gave it out in a post I wouldn’t have access to it. Second, I hate junk e-mail and would not think of sending such to anyone else. I don’t even forward stuff to my friends and family. They sure send it to me though. Some are funny. I got a link a few days ago to a video called “World’s Dumbest Robbers”. Two guys are trying to break into a store with plexiglass windows. One throws a rock and it bounces off and knocks out his partner. He throws another and knocks himself out. Pretty funny when you see it for the first time. But even though I usually read them out of courtesy, I don’t send them on. Most of them are stupid.

To be honest Lyrazel, I usually find your posts kind of boring, though I must say that lately they have been a little more lively.

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By Bruno

April 4, 2008 9:21 AM | Link to this

To be honest Lyrazel, I usually find your posts kind of boring

There goes chuck, spreading more of his “Christian love” around. I think he’s made similar comments about lozen and Jack in the past. Can someone slip the boy a copy of “How To Win Friends And Influence People”?

I posted that to remind him that he needed to be civil on the blog.

So, should I add “Messiah Complex” to your own long list of negative psychological traits? Very telling that you have avoided my every call to you to demonstrate even the slightest bit of humility, chuck. I’m sure Jesus would be proud of you. Too bad you can’t handle real debate about your crazy, hateful views. I do give you points in the creativity dept. for all your insane rationalizations, though. I can see how you fit in well with The Southern Baptist Convention.

well aren’t you being the sweet-heart today!?

Actually, before I morphed into an angry, white male, I used to be somewhat charming, Mara. If Shaunti and Andrea ever come up with a topic worthy of discussion (and get the spam under control), I hope you stop by more often.

By Felicia

April 4, 2008 9:27 AM | Link to this

It amazes me that so many people have opinion about this man who we do not know personal. Just like we do not know the other candidates personal either. We as people always talk about freedom of speech. But when it comes to Rev Wright it’s wrong. Rather we like it or not the United States is racist in some ways.No we do not have colored outside of doors nor on water fountains, etc. But it does still exist in the work place in schools, justice system, and even in some restaurants. Also people have the right to believe what they want as long as it is not forced on people who do not want the information. I wonder how many people have listened to the whole tapes that were played on Fox news every day for the past month to really know what lead up to what was played. I challenge everyone to purchase or find someone who owns it and listen because this man did not only talk about whites he talked about everyone. And more things are true then false. If this man is so horrible why has he been to the White House on so many occassion and why do so many white people attend his church, and why are more white people who know him as a person defending him? We need to also remember that no one really talks about Martin Luther King who preached the same thing about uplifting his race. One sermon was for whites and the other was for blacks. And so many people love and respect this man. Church is just like school when you go you not always listening but when you hear something that interests you then your listening skills sharpen. I do also believe that the bible says judge not. I think everyone needs to look inside of ourselves and find out what we really stand for. It is to much divide in United States. We have so many countries that women do not have equal rights. But in the United States there are many issues that still need to be addressed.There are to many discussions about why this why that. Why don’t some of get together and talk about our experiences and try to find some solutions. One more thing who better to united the country then a person who has lived with almost every race because of family ties.

By Bruno

April 4, 2008 9:29 AM | Link to this

I’m trying hard to feel some empathy for families facing foreclosure on their homes, but ABC News isn’t helping me with stories like the one this AM replayed on the yahoo.com home page. They featured a couple from NYC who purchased a home costing $335,000 based on an income of $30,000. In this couple’s mind, it’s all the bank’s fault that they are now in foreclosure, and they’ve hired an attorney to fight the mean mortgage company who supposedly used high-pressure tactics to get them to sign for the loan. I think a person of even chuck’s 8th grade mathematical ability can understand that someone making $30,000 per year has no business purchasing a $335,000 home. Will someone please round up that blonde-haired lady, Susan, to shout out “Stop The Madness!”

So far, every family I’ve seen featured in similar stories are all living in homes valued at $300,000 to more than $1,000,000.

By Bruno

April 4, 2008 9:37 AM | Link to this

Pretty slow night on FOX News last night. The only somewhat interesting story was about Air America radio host Rhandi Rhodes who got suspended for calling both Geraldine Ferraro and Hillary Clinton F-ing ‘hos in a “comedy” routine. Wow!!! What’s up with the Democrats turning on their own lately??

I’m truly hoping Obama wins the Democratic nomination over Hillary. Just in case McCain doesn’t win, I think Obama will do less damage to the country. I personally view him as sort of a Jimmy Carter-like figure—very intelligent and very well-intended, though ultimately ineffectual due to a lack of “real-world” experience. I did see a clip taken from 60 Minutes in which he and his wife explained how they met. I walked away from the piece liking him even more on a personal level, and liking her less. She comes across as being another ball-busting, crooked attorney ala Hillary.

By Bruno

April 4, 2008 9:46 AM | Link to this

One more thing who better to united the country then a person who has lived with almost every race because of family ties.

My biggest concern about Obama and the Democrats in general regarding race relations, Felicia, is the complete unwillingness to acknowledge a sour past, then move forward into a color-blind future. The Democratic “solutions” to race relations always involve perpetual categorizations of people by race, then selective “reverse discrimination” for some groups like blacks and latinos, but additional “real discrimination” for other groups like Asians. IMO, the only way to advance true color-blindness is to remove all reference to race from college admission forms and employment applications. Only then can we begin to respect people based on their own individual merit, and not by what “disadvantaged” group they belong to.

By Bruno

April 4, 2008 9:49 AM | Link to this

I hope Nat and Archie weigh in with their opinions as to how to bring about a “color-blind” world. Any thoughts, guys?

By Bruno

April 4, 2008 10:01 AM | Link to this

We as people always talk about freedom of speech. But when it comes to Rev Wright it’s wrong.

And BTW, Felicia, I don’t recall ever hearing one person suggesting that Rev. Wright not be given the same free-speech rights as anyone else. What has been suggested is that he be held accountable for some of his more ridiculous comments, that’s all. I’m sure he’ll be happy in his retirement years now that his church decided to spring for a 10,000 s.f. condo which features an indoor swimming pool and an elevator. I’m sure Jesus would be proud of how the parishioners’ money is being spent so that the good Rev. can live a life of unbridled luxury rather than helping out some poor folks. I don’t believe that Rev. Wright preached a “prosperity gospel” like Joel Osteen, and more locally Creflo Dollar, but I hardly see how he is leading by example.

Just in case you missed my earlier posts this week, I personally don’t feel that Rev. Wright’s comments and actions are a legitimate campaign issue since he isn’t running for office. Obama is, so we should analyze his own words, and not those of his associates in evaluating his fitness for office.

By chuck

April 4, 2008 10:22 AM | Link to this

We as people always talk about freedom of speech. But when it comes to Rev Wright it’s wrong.

NOBODY is saying that Wright didn’t have the RIGHT to say what he said. He can say anything he wants to. What most people don’t seem to understand that the freedom to exercise our rights comes with an accompanying responsibility. I can certainly go up to a 6’6” 280 pound defensive lineman and call him an idiot. Should I be surprised when he knocks me on my butt? NO. There are consequences for the things that we say. His consequence was that he OFFENDED millions of people who will probably NOT vote for the candidate that he supports, who spent 20 years under the care, instruction AND INDOCTRINATION of this pastor.

Obama has denounced what Wright said, but he didn’t do it when he heard it for the past 20 years. He only did it when he realized that it might hurt his chances to be elected President. This kind of subterfuge is becoming more apparent as a pattern of his candidacy. Every time he gets caught in one of these little fabrications he turns it around and blames someone else. I gave an example earlier this week about something he said concerning his parents that he just made up to make himself look good. As his record is scrutinized more carefully for the next several months, you will become more and more aware of his lack of qualifications to become President.

By Bruno

April 4, 2008 10:30 AM | Link to this

On the narcissistic front, my new Jerry Garcia tattoo turned out fantastic. The artist, Cap Szumski, was so proud of his work he took me around to all the other artists to show it off. He wants me to come back in a few weeks for photos. Here’s a link to the photo he worked from:

http://www.avguide.com/film-music/music/musicreviews/tas146/bestof/garcia.jpg

For my next tattoo, I’m going to get an image of the fiddle-playing skeleton from the cover of “Blues For Allah”.

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000E6EHGI.01.SCLZZZZZZZV54798359_.jpg

I was hoping that having Jerry with me all the time would help me adopt a cooler outlook to life, but no such luck so far. Of course, those are some mighty big shoes to fill in the “Coolness” dept. We all still miss you, Jerry.

By Bruno

April 4, 2008 10:33 AM | Link to this

There are consequences for the things that we say. His consequence was that he OFFENDED millions of people

So what consequences should there be for YOU, chuckles, when you won’t back down from your hateful, anti-gay comments??

By chuck

April 4, 2008 10:42 AM | Link to this

The consequences for me are the similar to the ones for Wright. In my case, those who don’t believe the Bible will express their disagreement with me and call me names. I don’t really worry too much about that as you can tell from my posts. I’d be more concerned about the consequences of NOT telling the truth about these kinds of issues…something I’m sure you don’t understand. I’m accountable to God Himself as one of His children. That’s enough to keep me on the straight and narrow.

By chuck

April 4, 2008 10:45 AM | Link to this

While you are thinking about that last post, think about this. Why are you on here pretty much talking to yourself? Apparently in the the blogosphere just like in your personal life, you drive people away. Let’s face it dude….you have no social skills. Maybe a little INTROSPECTION is in order.

By Bruno

April 4, 2008 10:46 AM | Link to this

Of course, you’re not the first “Christian” who suffers from a Messiah Complex, chuck. I remember visiting a church out in Snellville several years ago in which the preacher would punctuate his hateful messages by saying “God said it, not me” every five minutes. I kept looking around the room, but I didn’t see God anywhere. All I saw was a pathetic, hateful person not taking responsibility for his own misinterpretation of Jesus’s message.

By Bruno

April 4, 2008 10:49 AM | Link to this

those who don’t believe the Bible will express their disagreement with me and call me names.

Nice try, chuck. As I’ve shown you time and again, 80% of the “facts” and “moral positions” you believe aren’t actually in the Bible. Certainly, I’ve called you plenty of names because pompous, self-righteous people like you make me sick to my stomach. So, are you saying you’ve never called ME names, or any of the other posters here on W2W?? You’ve apparently got some memory problems on top of your Messiah Complex.

By chuck

April 4, 2008 10:52 AM | Link to this

Did I say that Brudog? Reread the post. See you also reap the consequences for what YOU say.

By Bruno

April 4, 2008 10:53 AM | Link to this

I’m accountable to God Himself as one of His children.

So pray tell, who ISN’T one of God’s children. Who among isn’t a frail sinner, full of hate and prejudice?? Oh that’s right, YOU. You’re above everyone else, I forgot.

By kimberly

April 4, 2008 10:55 AM | Link to this

I think a person of even chuck’s 8th grade mathematical ability can understand that someone making $30,000 per year has no business purchasing a $335,000 home.

Agreed!! Money management and financial realities are not taught in American schools, and clearly, if there’s anything people need to know, it’s this. Kids come out of high school and college knowing zip about being on their own and what it takes. The consumer-driven culture in which they were raised, and in which they saw their own parents fall to material desires and keeping up with the neighbors instead of saving money for future needs and disasters, has left a staggering percentage of our nation with horribly skewed priorities. Because our leaders also encourage “stimulating the economy” (tax cuts for the rich, piddly rebates for working families to purchase foreign electronics from Wal Mart) over long-term planning, it’s a wonder anyone has any sense left at all!

That being said, THE MORTGAGE COMPANY decided to lend $350K to a $30 couple. Where is the “personal responsibility” in for corporations? (Oh, but the taxpayers “have to” bail out the corporations, due to the ripple effect. Pay no attention to the departing CEO behind the curtain who takes $100 mil and slinks away to the Caymans with it…) Those people bought those houses because THEY COULD, or so they thought.

Here’s an idea: Regulate stuff that affects lots of people, and stop regulating individual behavior that only affects individuals. (Our Republican friends argue the opposite in the name of “freedom,” but I fail to see the logic.) Government serving corporatate greed instead of the needs of citizens (bridges, anyone? think ya might need those? ya think there might be American jobs in building them?) has been the catalyst behind so many of our nation’s problems, many now so huge it seems we may never recover. But that’s just my opinion.

By Bruno

April 4, 2008 10:59 AM | Link to this

Apparently in the the blogosphere just like in your personal life, you drive people away. Let’s face it dude….you have no social skills. Maybe a little INTROSPECTION is in order.

I’ll keep my group of friends over yours anyday, chuck. At least my friends are humble people who have no illusions about their own fallibility as humans. Obviously, I don’t know any of your friends personally, but I’ve spent enough time in Southern Baptist churches to make a good guess about yours.

Why are you on here pretty much talking to yourself?

Hmmm—this coming from a man who spent his Christmas Eve blogging on W2W?? Can you spell h-y-p-o-c-r-i-t-e, chuck, or is that beyond the 8th grade curriculum?

By Bruno

April 4, 2008 11:03 AM | Link to this

Just for you, chuck, I’m going to dedicate the “Song Of the Day” to you:

Southern man

better keep your head

Don’t forget

what your good book said

Southern change

gonna come at last

Now your crosses

are burning fast

Southern man

.

I saw cotton

and I saw black

Tall white mansions

and little shacks.

Southern man

when will you

pay them back?

I heard screamin’

and bullwhips cracking

How long? How long?

Anyone want to counter with the lyrics from “Sweet Home Alabama”?? ; > }

By LynyrdSkynyrd

April 4, 2008 11:08 AM | Link to this

A southern man don’t need him around anyhow

By Bruno

April 4, 2008 11:12 AM | Link to this

Kids come out of high school and college knowing zip about being on their own and what it takes. The consumer-driven culture in which they were raised, and in which they saw their own parents fall to material desires and keeping up with the neighbors instead of saving money for future needs and disasters, has left a staggering percentage of our nation with horribly skewed priorities.

It does seem to be a sad state of affairs in our materialistic culture.

Perhaps you might be a good candidate to meet my Lynyrd Skynyrd lyric challenge. “Southern Man don’t need him around anyhow… Sweet Home Alabama!!” ; > }

Actually, I heard that in real life, Neil Young and Ronnie Van Zant became good friends. I love them both. A lot of folks would be surprised to know that the rebel flag flies in South Jersey as well as South Georgia. During the Civil War, a lot of the citizens of South Jersey aligned with the Confederacy. Of course, a lot of folks don’t realize that South Jersey is actually south of the Mason-Dixon line. Although I am a “Northern Sympathizer”, I like to keep a little bit of “reb” in me as well.

Nice to hear from you.

By LynyrdSkynyrd

April 4, 2008 11:15 AM | Link to this

A southern man don’t need Bruno around anyhow.

By JokesOn

April 4, 2008 11:22 AM | Link to this

Dog,

those who don’t believe the Bible will express their disagreement with me and call me names.

Come On! Everyone knows that all of christianity agrees on biblical text. And do not forget, the holy spirit guides chuck and his personal holy spirit is better than anyone else’s;)

By chuck

April 4, 2008 11:23 AM | Link to this

I agree with you 100% Kimberly when you said:

Where is the “personal responsibility” in for corporations? (Oh, but the taxpayers “have to” bail out the corporations, due to the ripple effect.

So can I assume you are voting for John McCain? He’s the only candidate willing to let this whole mess play itself out WITHOUT government intervention. No bailouts for homeowners OR Banks. Seems fair to me. Let each live with the decisions they made.

By Bruno

April 4, 2008 11:27 AM | Link to this

Gotta run, but here’s my real song of the day, from Al Jarreau:

Everything we do with good intent

Won’t ever disappear, it only ripples into habit

Ever deep, cause it’s no accident

That you and i are here

And you and i were meant to happen

.

An open heart can change the world we know

Into a loving place

Reviving everything that’s givin’ in it

Every spark, another chance to grow

Let love illuminate

The place where light is dimming

.

One simple thing,

can really touch somebody

Make somebody smile inside

What joy it brings,

to really touch somebody

Love’s a win-win heart reliever,

As good for the giver as it is the receiver.

By Bruno

April 4, 2008 11:32 AM | Link to this

Come On! Everyone knows that all of christianity agrees on biblical text. And do not forget, the holy spirit guides chuck and his personal holy spirit is better than anyone else’s;)

Glad I’m not the only one who picked up on that, JokesOn.

Out of curiosity, how many tats do you have, buddy? My new lady friend and I were going to get one together, an angel-devil combo, but I’ve pretty much talked her out of it. Her skin is very sensitive, and I don’t think she would enjoy the pain/self-mutilation. I did get a “mutual tatoo” with another GF years ago, and I feel like it still bonds us to this day.

P.S. Take a quick guess as to which one of us vounteered to get the “Devil” half of the angel-devil combo? ; > }

By USinUK

April 4, 2008 11:34 AM | Link to this

No bailouts for homeowners OR Banks. Seems fair to me. Let each live with the decisions they made.

I hope you like souplines, cuz that’s where the economy is heading if the Fed and Congress doesn’t do what it can to alleviate some of the damage done by the banks and the borrowers.

By Bruno

April 4, 2008 11:37 AM | Link to this

Does anyone but me get a little “misty” whenever you hear “A Random Act Of Love” by Al Jarreau?

God knew what she was doing when she invented music.

By JokesOn

April 4, 2008 11:39 AM | Link to this

Out of curiosity, how many tats do you have, buddy?

Shoot… 13+

By Bruno

April 4, 2008 11:41 AM | Link to this

I hope you like souplines, cuz that’s where the economy is heading if the Fed and Congress doesn’t do what it can to alleviate some of the damage done by the banks and the borrowers.

At the same time, USinUK, can you see the much greater, longer-term damage cause by instituting a permanent bail-out program in which poor decision-making is rewarded, and not punished. Personally, I’ve been dumb-founded for years by the number of expensive homes being built. When I used to be in business, I made good money, but never enough to legitimately purchase a $335,000 home.

“Stop the Insanity”, I say!

By Bruno

April 4, 2008 11:45 AM | Link to this

Shoot… 13+

Well, I’m lagging behind, but hopefully the quality of my tats makes up for the differential in quantity. Are you familiar with Cap Szumski? Very cool individual, and a great artist.

By Bruno

April 4, 2008 11:49 AM | Link to this

How about you, USinUK? Any tats? I’m guessing “No way, Jose!” ; > }

I’m still disappointed with Monica for not getting a little lion tattoo…..

By chuck

April 4, 2008 11:51 AM | Link to this

I don’t think so USinUK. Those who end up in foreclosure will go back to renting. The banks will cover each other to the extent that they can. The only people who will be in a real deficit are the stockholders in those banks. Where does it stop USinUK?

I hate to bring this up yet again, BUT WHY SHOULD MY TAX MONEY GO TO BAIL OUT BANKS WHICH ARE CONTROLLED BY MILLIONAIRES? I know I have made this same statement about bailing out people who decided not to get an education or work for a living, but it goes DOUBLE for bailing out private corporations. We should not be in the business of jumping in EVERY TIME somebody screws up.

If individual bankers did anything illegal and thus put the stockholders in that company at risk, they should be prosecuted NOT compensated. If stockholders in these companies had any sense they would file class action lawsuits against the crooked CEO’s and go after their money rather than giving them money to leave. I sold the last of my stocks about 3 years ago (not that I had much). I’ll stick with my pension plan and 503b. If it isn’t enough when I retire, then I’ll get another job.

By kimberly

April 4, 2008 11:55 AM | Link to this

Chuck, no, I’ll not be voting for John McCain. I’m not a single-issue voter, but if I were, that wouldn’t be my issue. McCain does not express a desire to see our tax dollars cease flooding into the pockets of Halliburton, KBR, Parsons, and the various mercenary “security” companies that We the Taxpayers employ at rates ridiculously beyond the rate our soldiers receive for risking and sacrificing their lives, limbs, sanity, careers, and time spent with their loved ones.

It’s one thing to tout fiscal and personal responsibility, but until he demands an audit of every one of these private contracting crooks, and the crooks in our government who sent them there, (and a return of the money they stole), then it’s all just hot air blown up your butt to make you feel good.

By Archie

April 4, 2008 11:57 AM | Link to this

Bruno, I don’t want a color-blind society. My color, my height,weight,etc. are all a part of who I am. What I want is less racism. There is a superiority complex that runs through so much of white america and there is a inferiority complex that runs through so much of black america and the psychology of those mindsets is the most complex thing ever. I have no clue how to fix it quick but I do think if you acknowledge those two things I mentioned it’s a start. Not all whites are biased and not all blacks have an inferiority complex but those traits are very strong in our society. One of my points is based some blacks calling other blacks ‘white’ because said black person speaks properly. Not all blacks do that. One of my points is based on America attacking a country that we know had nothing directly to with 9/11 and we act as if we’re doing them a favor with bombs landing anywhere even amongst innocent people. Another of my points is based on a guy telling what a program does when I am the programmer and he’s a technical person that never looks at the actual computer program. A good number of black folk have been second-guessed professionally for no other reason than they are black. Then you have black folk that go into black-owned nightclubs acting crazy but yet you rarely hear about black folk acting out in white-owned nightclubs. NONE of my examples can be applied to all people or even most people but they can be applied to a substantial number of people.

By USinUK

April 4, 2008 11:58 AM | Link to this

Bruno -

How about you, USinUK? Any tats? I’m guessing “No way, Jose!” ; > }

HA!!! got you fooled … got TWO tatts, thankyewverymuch!

By USinUK

April 4, 2008 12:04 PM | Link to this

Bruno and Chuck -

Let me say at the outset that I am a BIG believer in moral hazard - in other words, not rewarding risky behavior when it fails. Yes, the banks made stupid lending decisions because they were able to sell off the risk via ABS and MBS securities.

However, there is also the fact that the credit crisis is the worst financial crisis the US has had to face since the Great Depression - (don’t believe me? ask the IMF)

Another key fact here - 65% of the US GDP is based on consumer spending - take away that, and you’re going to lose more than houses, you’re going to lose jobs (people no spend, companies no make products), which is going to lead to further declines.

Like I said, in a perfect world, yes the governments and stupid homeowners would pay for their idiocy. However, this isn’t a perfect world - this is, in fact, a situation where the pain of shoring up the economy is going to be a LOT less than if you let the chips fall where they may.

By USinUK

April 4, 2008 12:06 PM | Link to this

kimberly -

It’s one thing to tout fiscal and personal responsibility, but until he demands an audit of every one of these private contracting crooks, and the crooks in our government who sent them there, (and a return of the money they stole), then it’s all just hot air blown up your butt to make you feel good.

WOOOOWOOOO!!!! (raucaus applause)

best thing I’ve read all day!!!

By Bruno

April 4, 2008 12:07 PM | Link to this

Bruno, I don’t want a color-blind society. My color, my height,weight,etc. are all a part of who I am. What I want is less racism. There is a superiority complex that runs through so much of white america and there is a inferiority complex that runs through so much of black america and the psychology of those mindsets is the most complex thing ever. I have no clue how to fix it quick but I do think if you acknowledge those two things I mentioned it’s a start. Not all whites are biased and not all blacks have an inferiority complex but those traits are very strong in our society.

Great points, Archie.

HA!!! got you fooled … got TWO tatts, thankyewverymuch!

OMG—You ARE perfect!

By Bruno

April 4, 2008 12:09 PM | Link to this

Chuck, no

Oops—sorry, didn’t mean to intrude upon your love affair with chuck. I’ll try to keep that in mind next time you make a statement on a public blog….

By kimberly

April 4, 2008 12:11 PM | Link to this

If individual bankers did anything illegal and thus put the stockholders in that company at risk, they should be prosecuted NOT compensated.

Chuck, I used to work in banking. Here’s why this isn’t the case: banks have PACs and lobbyists, (they pressure all employees to join these PACs and when I refused, I got a serious talking-to), hence their behavior isn’t illegal. Does that mean it’s not wrong?

When legislators (wh-o-res) go to regulate the industry to protect the public, the lobbyists are there making sure that every possible measure favors the bank, except for the most miniscule protection for the consumer, and then they call this a victory for the consumer in their little press releases. Check out the Truth In Lending Law. It means they ony have to tell the truth under certain specific circumstances, and beyond that, they’re free to lie through their teeth. (At least this was the case in the 80’s.) When I pointed this out, my boss called me a communist.

Are you willing to argue that something isn’t wrong or even reprehensible because it’s technically “legal?”

By USinUK

April 4, 2008 12:12 PM | Link to this

Chuck -

one more thing - yes, homeowners can become buyers, but much of the spending since 2002 has been based on refinincing the house, pulling out equity and putting that back into the economy.

if you don’t have a house, you don’t have that option - so, the economy will be missing some major cash injections from these people.

By chuck

April 4, 2008 12:13 PM | Link to this

Brudog, keep humping those legs man. Loved this post:

Hmmm—this coming from a man who spent his Christmas Eve blogging on W2W?? Can you spell h-y-p-o-c-r-i-t-e, chuck, or is that beyond the 8th grade curriculum?

Yep you are right. I was sitting there in the living room with my extended family watching Miracle on 34th St. and I picked up my laptop at 4:46 in the afternoon during a commercial to wish the W2W gang a merry Christmas…took all of about 2 minutes…and that’s hypocritical? You are such a small-minded, sad little man.

I’m sure you were doing something much more meaningful. You were probably playing a board game with your wife and ki…oops. Sorry. No you were probably at a shelter feeding the homeless. No? I know…you were in a good Southern Baptist Church Christmas Eve Service. No that’s not it. What were you doing?

By USinUK

April 4, 2008 12:14 PM | Link to this

*Question for the class - *

I’ve been arguing with my coworkers that the tax rebate you guys should be getting in a few weeks won’t really do anything for the economy - most people will put it towards bills they owe rather than spending it.

Knowing your plans and those of your friends, do you think I’m right or am I off the mark??

By USinUK

April 4, 2008 12:19 PM | Link to this

Bruno -

OMG—You ARE perfect!

that’s what I keep telling my husband. :-)

and, yes, I’m a HUGE fan of Miami Ink - love watching that show (they carry it here, too).

By USinUK

April 4, 2008 12:20 PM | Link to this

chuck -

homeowners can become buyers,

d-oh! that should have been “homeowners can become renters”

By Bruno

April 4, 2008 12:21 PM | Link to this

I’m sure you were doing something much more meaningful. You were probably playing a board game with your wife and ki…oops. Sorry. No you were probably at a shelter feeding the homeless. No? I know…you were in a good Southern Baptist Church Christmas Eve Service. No that’s not it. What were you doing?

Honestly, I can’t remember exactly. But I’ll tell you what I *wasn’t doing—celebrating a non-Biblical, pagan holiday like you.

By Bruno

April 4, 2008 12:25 PM | Link to this

and, yes, I’m a HUGE fan of Miami Ink - love watching that show (they carry it here, too).

Just for the heck of it, I stopped by Miami Ink (now called Love-Hate Tattoos) while in Miami a few weeks ago. Unfortunately, their pricing is a little unrealistic for me, but it was cool to say hello to Ami, Chris, and Yoji. It’s a shame they lost Kat Von D. She was by far the best artist they had.

By kimberly

April 4, 2008 12:25 PM | Link to this

USinUK, thanks for the applause! Haha! My rebate money will go to bills and debt. No doubt about it.

I have nothing extra with which to stimulate the American tattoo industry, and hence remain drab, boring, and unmarked.

By Bruno

April 4, 2008 12:29 PM | Link to this

When I pointed this out, my boss called me a communist.

Maybe YOU should do a little research into the Messiah Complex along with chuckles. I would suggest looking up the word h-y-p-o-c-r-i-t-e first, however.

By chuck

April 4, 2008 12:42 PM | Link to this

USinUK, mine will be going toward paying the taxes that I owe this year. My wasteful federal government is hitting me up for another $4000 this year.

The only other person that I have talked to about it is my Mother-in-Law and she’s going to be putting her $300 in the bank.

By Twenty Dollar Shrink

April 4, 2008 12:44 PM | Link to this

Messiah Complex: Megalomanical tendancies commonly exhibited in unemployed, anti-social, bi-polar patients who refuse to take their lithium and believe they alone love and care for, or righteously judge the merits and character of their fellow human beings, all of whom they believe are inferior.

By Bruno

April 4, 2008 12:46 PM | Link to this

I have nothing extra with which to stimulate the American tattoo industry, and hence remain drab, boring, and unmarked.

Hopefully, one day you’ll move past all your self-recriminations and self-pity. You are an outstanding individual with a lot to offer the world, and perhaps some lucky man one day.

And don’t forget, while some of us wear our “marks” outwardly, others wear them inwardly, in their souls. Are you sure you’re “unmarked”?

By Bruno

April 4, 2008 12:48 PM | Link to this

Messiah Complex: Megalomanical tendancies commonly exhibited in unemployed, anti-social, bi-polar patients who refuse to take their lithium and believe they alone love and care for, or righteously judge the merits and character of their fellow human beings, all of whom they believe are inferior.

Well, I guess I better run for cover before the cops bust my door down……

By chuck

April 4, 2008 12:50 PM | Link to this

USinUK, I think the economy needs to slow down a little bit. That’s why this correction doesn’t bother me. Being the eternal optimist, I think we will come out of the other side of it stronger and ready for steady long-term growth.

Kimberly, Unethical to me is just as bad as illegal. We really do need to understand the dynamics of our federal system and put people into office who will do what’s right for ALL AMERICANS. I heard this morning that Obama raised $40 million dollars in the month of MARCH. 40 million. That is OBSCENE.

By lozen

April 4, 2008 12:53 PM | Link to this

The end of the week - TGIF. And a little time to post and respond to some others thoughts during this past week.

April 2, 2008 1:09 PM | Link to this Lozen 30,000,000 dead Americans. 1/10th of our population. All because you have been led to believe that one person’s right to live is more important than another’s. And this is a direct result of the financial support of the multi-billion dollar abortion industry.

Your figures are correct. There have been a little over 1 million abortions a year in the US since abortion became legal in 1973. In the 50s there were about 1 million illegal abortions each year with around 2,000 women dying from botched abortions. The only difference: 2,000 women don’t die each year from sticking coat hangers up there or being harmed by unregulated, botched abortions! Whether it’s legal or not women will refuse to be forced to bring every pregnancy to term. We always have; we always will. Parenting is a huge responsibility and requires huge personal sacrifice. No one should ever be forced to take that on if they’re not ready.

I think maybe you implied I have been brainwashed by the abortion industry. What a laugh! I’m a woman who had a moment of panic almost every month wondering if I’d remembered to take the pill every day, was the IUD still working, etc. I have known women who’ve had abortions whose only other option would have been a lost job and no food on the table for the children they already had. I don’t have to be brainwashed by anyone to know no woman should ever be forced to give birth if she does not want to do so!

If we’re going to talk about money made by abortion providers then we have to talk about the multi-billions taken in by OB/GYN docs and hospitals for delivering babies. What about unnecessary C-sections? Induced labor to fit the golf schedule or vacation of the doc? Putting women flat on their backs in a sterile, hostile environment - that’s the worst possible position to give birth. What about drugging women so much the babies are born drugged out? What about unnecessary episeotomies (sp)? And paying $50 for an aspirin!

Then let’s talk about a gov’t that keeps cutting and cutting social programs that benefit single parents (as well as every other support net program). Yeah, let’s force females to have kids they can’t support and then let’s yell at them about being lazy welfare moms and how we shouldn’t have to pay our taxes to support women who are irresponsible single mothers!

Then let’s discuss the number of children who starve to death in other countries every year and the number of children who have been killed in Iraq, Darfur and all the other war zones since 1973. Where is the outrage for those children? It’s a lot easier to get hysterical about fetuses, huh?

By $230 Shrink

April 4, 2008 12:57 PM | Link to this

Give him seventy-two hours and some thorazine.

By lozen

April 4, 2008 1:00 PM | Link to this

Kimberly my dear, how’d ya get to be so smart? And you too USinUK! Archie, tell it like it is!

By lozen

April 4, 2008 1:17 PM | Link to this

What if we had a vaccine that ceased reproduction with another that would give us a 48 hour window to have offspring? Would that make abortion obsolete? No. Factions in this country would fight tooth and nail to keep us from having that just like they fight birth control, abortion and informative sex ed now. Look how long it took for American women to obtain RU486 while it was being dispensed for years without any bad effects on European women! This puritanical streak we inherited, and religion that teaches sex is sin, aren’t going away. Not for a long time anyway.

By USinUK

April 4, 2008 1:38 PM | Link to this

Chuck -

I think the economy needs to slow down a little bit.

Slow down??? we had 0.6% growth for Q4 … that’s what you call anemic. We had 2.5% for the year as a whole … the UK’s growth was about the same, the Eurozone was slightly less.

Growth isn’t the problem - you have to have growth to have job creation. It’s inflation that’s the problem. Right now, the US has 4% inflation - with wage growth of 3.5% - THAT’S the problem. If people aren’t making enough to buy groceries and fill up their tanks, then they’re not going to be able to buy all the coolio gadgets that stimulate the economy.

And, if they’re facing job losses (did anyone else see the 5.1% unemployment number today - and the highest number of first-time unemployment filers since Katrina) - then they’re less likely to spend … furthering the economic downturn.

My coworkers calls this the Paradox of Thrift - the idea being that people are saving because they are afraid of a downturn, but it’s that saving that is, in fact, worsening the downturn.

ANYhooo …

thanks to the folks that pretty much reinforced what I thought … can’t wait to go to work on Monday with the results of my non-scientific survey!

By Archie

April 4, 2008 2:02 PM | Link to this

Knowing your plans and those of your friends, do you think I’m right or am I off the mark?? I think you’re right USinUk that people will pay bills with the rebate.

Kimberly my dear, how’d ya get to be so smart? And you too USinUK! Archie, tell it like it is! Thanks,lozen, Bruno asked a good question but I am still working on that issue called race and yet, I think I am a good guy. The person that’s looked out for me best here at work is a white female so maybe that’s why it was easy for me to vote for Hillary!

I’m not a single-issue voter, but if I were, that wouldn’t be my issue. McCain does not express a desire to see our tax dollars cease flooding into the pockets of Halliburton, KBR, Parsons, and the various mercenary “security” companies that We the Taxpayers employ at rates ridiculously beyond the rate our soldiers receive for risking and sacrificing their lives, limbs, sanity, careers, and time spent with their loved ones Kimberly, what you say makes sense but my main man JokesOn doesn’t make sense to me because he sides with you often in these debates and rails against Bush but yet he’s going to stay with a guy that plans to do same s..t as lozen put it the other day. I like JokesOn a lot but I have to call him on that issue but he can whatever he wants and he doesn’t have to answer to me…

By lozen

April 4, 2008 2:05 PM | Link to this

This is Internation Disturbed People’s Day! I don’t care if you lick windows, take the special bus or occasionally p-e-e on yourself.. You hang in there, you’re friggin’ special. Life is short, Break the rules, Forgive quickly, Kiss slowly, Love truly, Laugh uncontrollably, And never regret anything that made you smile.

By JokesOn

April 4, 2008 2:59 PM | Link to this

What if we had a vaccine that ceased reproduction with another that would give us a 48 hour window to have offspring? Would that make abortion obsolete? No. Factions in this country would fight tooth and nail to keep us from having that just like they fight birth control, abortion and informative sex ed now.

I think you misunderstood my hypothetical question. Was curious who thought abortion, in itself, was a right versus the ability to stop a pregnancy was a right.

I like JokesOn a lot but I have to call him on that issue but he can whatever he wants and he doesn’t have to answer to me… I did. Twice.

I simply do not think that McCain is a carbon copy of GWB. More importantly, I think a transition from this current administration to a nicer/more accepting one might be a good thing. Believe me, I have to push myself not to have a knee jerk reaction when considering repubs right now. I also worry about the excessive swings between a liberal and conservative administration becoming a pattern.

To further what is going on in my head: I firmly believe that the status quo people build using the ideas/tools of progressives. Given that, they both have a function and to rely on either one exclusively is out of balance. There needs to be a time of new thoughts and then a time to implement those thoughts, which takes both halves of the party system. A progressive only system always is looking to the next best idea without actually implementing them: the dreamers.

By Bruno

April 4, 2008 3:05 PM | Link to this

Growth isn’t the problem - you have to have growth to have job creation. It’s inflation that’s the problem. Right now, the US has 4% inflation - with wage growth of 3.5% - THAT’S the problem. If people aren’t making enough to buy groceries and fill up their tanks, then they’re not going to be able to buy all the coolio gadgets that stimulate the economy.

Actually, USinUK, the real problem with the US economy is false economic growth—i.e. “growth” which was based upon the refi market, which in turn was fueled by unrealistic home appraisals, which in turn were created by “market over-exuberance” within the housing industry driven by investors who were purchasing homes with the idea of “flipping” them for a quick profit. The false housing market bubble burst sometime last year, though we’re just now feeling the “pain” from it.

BTW—did you laugh as hard as I did at 149-IQ chuckles “analysis” that economic growth itself is the real culprit? In his words, what a maroon.

If we’re going to talk about money made by abortion providers then we have to talk about the multi-billions taken in by OB/GYN docs and hospitals for delivering babies. What about unnecessary C-sections? Induced labor to fit the golf schedule or vacation of the doc? Putting women flat on their backs in a sterile, hostile environment - that’s the worst possible position to give birth. What about drugging women so much the babies are born drugged out? What about unnecessary episeotomies (sp)? And paying $50 for an aspirin!

lozen—once again, Caveat Emptor, Caveat Emptor!! There’s nothing wrong with our health care system that some good old-fashioned consumer awareness/assertiveness can’t fix. The day ladies stop allowing themselves to be bullied around by greedy OB/GYNs is the day that all the unnecessary C-sections and unnecessary episiotomies stop. I know that you somehow think that socialized medicine is that answer to all our problems, but as soon as you have a single system, that system begins to stagnate immediately. Free markets and competition are the answers, not Big Brother.

I am still working on that issue called race and yet, I think I am a good guy.

Welcome to the human race, Archie. We’re all in the same boat—i.e. except for the Southern Baptists who are all perfect like chuck.

unemployed

BTW, there’s a world of difference between being unemployed and self-employed. When you’re unemployed, you can draw an unemployment check when you are between jobs. When you’re self-employed, like me, you don’t get a dime of help from the govt., even after you pay thousands of dollars into the unemployment system. But don’t worry, I’ll never ask for a dime of help from any of you. I’ve always done just fine looking after myself.

By Bruno

April 4, 2008 3:11 PM | Link to this

One more “benefit” of being self-employed—You get to pay the full 15.2% SSI tax for yourself PLUS 7.6% “matching taxes” for all your employees, who only pay 7.6% of their own wages toward SSI. Forgive me if I laugh at all the whining from folks who work for corporations when they talk about the “fat-cat” owners.

This is Internation Disturbed People’s Day! I don’t care if you lick windows, take the special bus or occasionally p-e-e on yourself.. You hang in there, you’re friggin’ special. Life is short, Break the rules, Forgive quickly, Kiss slowly, Love truly, Laugh uncontrollably, And never regret anything that made you smile.

I didn’t know there was a holiday made just for me, lozen!! Thanks, girl. I pretty much do everything on your list already except for Forgive quickly. I have a loooooong memory toward those who wrong me, and a bit of a mean streak when I finally do get my chance at payback. Hope chuck keeps that in mind.

By Bruno

April 4, 2008 3:21 PM | Link to this

To further what is going on in my head: I firmly believe that the status quo people build using the ideas/tools of progressives. Given that, they both have a function and to rely on either one exclusively is out of balance. There needs to be a time of new thoughts and then a time to implement those thoughts, which takes both halves of the party system. A progressive only system always is looking to the next best idea without actually implementing them: the dreamers.

Wise words, JokesOn. There’s a place for all of us in the “big tent”. I actually believe we need a few Ted Kennedys around, if only to pull out the “moral whip” once in a while. Now, if the guy would only show up to work sober once in a while, he could do his job better, don’t you think?

The person that’s looked out for me best here at work is a white female so maybe that’s why it was easy for me to vote for Hillary!

I can’t question your motivation for picking the candidate of your choice, Archie, but doesn’t it bother you that she is such a personally corrupt person who is incredibly “truth-challenged”?? If you do a little research into the shenanigans which went on at The Rose Law Firm, it’s hard to view her as a “populist”, as many people do.

By Bruno

April 4, 2008 3:30 PM | Link to this

It’s one thing to tout fiscal and personal responsibility, but until he demands an audit of every one of these private contracting crooks, and the crooks in our government who sent them there, (and a return of the money they stole), then it’s all just hot air blown up your butt to make you feel good.

One last shout to the poster who I’m not “allowed” to address, and whose name I’m not “allowed” to mention: Since you’re not a hypocrite in any way, and not biased toward the Democrats at all, I’m sure you raised just as much stink about Halliburton, et. al. during the Clinton Administration. I’m sure you’re well aware that Halliburton also was used exclusively by Bill & company whenever reconstruction was needed in war-torn areas like Bosnia. Oh, but that seems to be a part of the story which is always conveniently forgotten by the 90% registered Democrat press. No bias there….

By Archie

April 4, 2008 3:36 PM | Link to this

A progressive only system always is looking to the next best idea without actually implementing them: the dreamers.

Give Obama or Hillary a chance!! Hell they can’t implement if you think they are dreaming. If you think my goal is to change your mind then you’re damn right. Anyone that rails on Bush has no business voting for McCain,bottom line. 81 percent of the public thinks the country is going in the wrong direction well if you want change then Obama/Clinton is the way to get it. Hell,you only had 40 million without health insurance when Hillary first tried to get universal healthcare now its up to 50 million. At what point do we see the need to change?? I have been on other website blogs calling people out but it’s much harder for me here because I do like JokesOn and I owe him, but if I knew him in person I would be doing the same thing. I have a friend I need to call because he said he would only vote democratic if Obama won, well I am going to call him out using the same reasoning I have on JokesOn. P.S. I have been to McCain’s website it’s nothing new. All of these other countries have universal healthcare and cheaper drugs yet we the almighty America insist we’re the best and yet there are 18 countries that rank higher than America in terms of male life expectancy.

By Archie

April 4, 2008 3:49 PM | Link to this

I can’t question your motivation for picking the candidate of your choice, Archie, but doesn’t it bother you that she is such a personally corrupt person who is incredibly “truth-challenged”?? Bruno, it does bother me that Hillary lies at times but my motivation wasn’t just her gender or her race. Hillary has been for universal healthcare for 15 years plus and she took a political beating for that and yet she is still fighting again for it and she has some other ideas I like and she has done good things for veterans. The fact that she lies means she’s just like the men before her. I mean why should the woman have to be holy when all the men before her lied. Her husband lied about an affair and the current president lied us into a war. Look at Iran-contra situation and look at the fact that Bush pardoned a liar. Bruno you asked me about race earlier but gender bias is just as bad. I don’t like her lying ways but hell Obama equivocated when he said he would’ve left his church, pleasse. McCain lied about that woman in my opinion,I stress, because I have no proof he was romantically interested in anyone but his body language didn’t suggest truth.

By JokesOn

April 4, 2008 3:58 PM | Link to this

Give Obama or Hillary a chance!!

But that is exactly my point. I am not sure that they can do much with the quagmire that GWB created. I am thinking (thinking…not decided, and this is part of that process) that McCain can clean up the mess.

He has made a theme of explaining that he would do things differently from GWB without explicitly saying so of course. If he can get some of this crap back into reality, the change you are talking about could happen much easier. Right now though, we are so in debt that any new ground is a pipe dream to me. The work is going to be the un-doing of GWBs mess.

Hell they can’t implement if you think they are dreaming. Not what I said or meant. Like meditation, progressives birth new directions. If all you have are progressives in office term-after-term, you will have people redefining areas before they have a chance to take hold and grow. Kind of like the pattern we sometimes see at work: creating a new financial process to replace the last one before it even took hold…rinse and repeat.

By Bruno

April 4, 2008 4:22 PM | Link to this

Hillary has been for universal healthcare for 15 years plus and she took a political beating for that and yet she is still fighting again for it and she has some other ideas I like and she has done good things for veterans. The fact that she lies means she’s just like the men before her. I mean why should the woman have to be holy when all the men before her lied. Her husband lied about an affair and the current president lied us into a war. Look at Iran-contra situation and look at the fact that Bush pardoned a liar.

Universal health care is exactly the reason I can’t even think about voting for any Democratic Presidential candidates, Archie. I haven’t walked a mile in your shoes, but from my perspective it would be a disaster. Why? Because overall healthcare costs would go UP, not DOWN, once it becomes “free”. And when I say costs, I mean legitimate costs, not the dishonest costs that the insurance ‘ho doctors charge. Just as importantly, we would lose the freedom to choose our own doctors then. I stand by my belief that progress and innovation only occur in a free-market system. Once you only have a single system, it stagnates immediately. Just look at the former Soviet Union and Eastern block nations for proof. East Germany vs. West Germany is a perfect example. The people were genetically the same, and separated only by barbed wire for 40 years. In the West, you had the highest standard of living in all of Europe, in the East, one of the worst standards of living.

By JokesOn

April 4, 2008 4:24 PM | Link to this

I have been on other website blogs calling people out but it’s much harder for me here because I do like JokesOn and I owe him

You do not owe me, but I believe that friends owe it to each other to challenge them anyways. So, anytime you want you can cal me out. Just do not be a a$$ about it;)

By kimberly

April 4, 2008 4:25 PM | Link to this

Wall of bitter resentment, re: your 3:30:

We, the American taxpayer, had a budget surplus and our debt was going down when President Clinton left office. (For those of you who care about that sort of thing.) That he utilized our primary contractors to support our troops in their short-lived, reasonably-managed mission to Bosnia does not upset me, you are correct. You can call me a hypocrite, but I think the war in Iraq, the associated human and monetary costs, the debt we’ve incurred, and the no-bid, unaudited nature of the ongoing, five-years-and-counting “contracts” that Halliburton and the like are enjoying with THIS administration, are a bit different. Silly me, counting lives and money, and trying to measure them in terms of the results they’ve produced. (If anyone has those results, please clue us in!) But hey, my boss called me communist so that makes me a hypocrite with a Messiah complex? Please allow me some time to absorb your superior brilliance on these oh so pertinent points. Thanks.

Y’all enjoy your weekend!

By Bruno

April 4, 2008 4:28 PM | Link to this

Archie—I can understand your disgust with Bush due to his lack of diplomacy, poor speaking style, etc. as well as his deviation from conservative ideals. I rail him for the same things. However, don’t you think Bush & co. have done a fantastic job on National Security?? Last time I checked, we haven’t been attacked in nearly 7 years. I don’t take that lightly.

By Bruno

April 4, 2008 4:37 PM | Link to this

Just do not be a a$$ about it;)

C’mon, JokesOn, you’re taking all the fun out of it.

By Bruno

April 4, 2008 4:42 PM | Link to this

Wall of bitter resentment, re: your 3:30:

Egomaniacal false caring or not, I do care a lot about you.

We, the American taxpayer, had a budget surplus and our debt was going down when President Clinton left office.

Can’t say I’m in love with budget shortfalls, at least we’ve had lowered taxes the past 7 years. I think Bush’s biggest problem was in not cutting spending.

You can call me a hypocrite, but I think the war in Iraq, the associated human and monetary costs, the debt we’ve incurred, and the no-bid, unaudited nature of the ongoing, five-years-and-counting “contracts” that Halliburton and the like are enjoying with THIS administration, are a bit different. Silly me, counting lives and money, and trying to measure them in terms of the results they’ve produced. (If anyone has those results, please clue us in!)

The hope is that a fundamental change in the way Iraq governs itself may become a model to follow for the rest of the Middle East. Do you share that hope?

But hey, my boss called me communist so that makes me a hypocrite with a Messiah complex? Please allow me some time to absorb your superior brilliance on these oh so pertinent points. Thanks.

Hey, in case you forgot, you called me a lot worse things without even really knowing me. If I didn’t care so much, it wouldn’t have hurt so deeply. Chuck can call me anything he wants, I don’t care. What you say, I care about. Fair enough?

By Bruno

April 4, 2008 4:45 PM | Link to this

Do I at least have permission to care about you from a distance?? Of course, that and $4.58 will get you the proverbial over-roasted cup of coffee from Starbucks.

BTW, your challenges have helped me to become a better person. I actually am working PT again, and have been sober for several months. Thank you.

By Bruno

April 4, 2008 4:47 PM | Link to this

Y’all enjoy your weekend!

You too, gorgeous, as well as all the other good folks here on W2W!

P.S. There’s a very interesting band playing at the Moonshadow in Tucker tonight. Blueground Undergrass. All the freaks should be out in force!

By JokesOn

April 4, 2008 4:57 PM | Link to this

However, don’t you think Bush & co. have done a fantastic job on National Security?? Last time I checked, we haven’t been attacked in nearly 7 years.

Have to counter you on this. The number of soldiers and civilians dead is at what count? And that number is how much bigger than all the terroristic attacks over the last, lets say, 15 years?

(fill in the blanks with your knowledge please) The frequency of attacks before Homeland Security was ## and after it dropped to ##.

I doubt you are correct on this one and we now have more people than ever pi$$ed at us which logically increases the threats.

With GWB I can say that it could be worse. We could have had someone with the same mentality and smart.