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By John D

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Man made global warming lacks serious evidence, and Al Gores movie and other propaganda have actualy been shown to be highly false and extremely inacurate. The evironmental movement is a political one, to do nothing more than create a means of tax and control. This same type of propagandists tactics to play on sympathies of the public were done in communist countries for decades, its all for the bettering of community and the commrad system were we tell on our neighbors if they do something that expresses independence. This enviromental movement of today is nothing but a tool that fools the NAIVE, the NAIVE that fall for such statements all the time as long as “ITS FOR THE CHILDREN” this is propaganda from liberal leftist playing on sympathies theology. It is everywhere today, society tells women that if you want a man then you need to lower your standards, but in reality women who give into guys and make the kind of guy their boyfriend who is even willing to bring the sexual in any form is a woman who is gonna get played this can be proven to any woman in a very short time regardless of how long the suppossed relationship has been going on, but women themselves rarely find it out in a short period of time and they continue into a long span of heartache that results in serious consequences when it is all said and done, 80 to 90% of women who give into the sexual outside of marriage from their botfriend windup divorced within ten years if they even marry.

In other words Leonardo DeCaprio and the movie Titanic isnt a reality show its just more propaganda, propagandised by the nonsense of Hollywood and their dirty environment world that the Hollywood types engage in. TV, movies, magazines, Vulgar styled radio, birth control and condom industry, music industry, etc… ARE NOT REALITY!!!!!

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By Mara

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off topic, but can you believe that this disjointed diatribe is only one sentence?!!

It is everywhere today, society tells women that if you want a man then you need to lower your standards, but in reality women who give into guys and make the kind of guy their boyfriend who is even willing to bring the sexual in any form is a woman who is gonna get played this can be proven to any woman in a very short time regardless of how long the suppossed relationship has been going on, but women themselves rarely find it out in a short period of time and they continue into a long span of heartache that results in serious consequences when it is all said and done, 80 to 90% of women who give into the sexual outside of marriage from their botfriend windup divorced within ten years if they even marry.

ONE sentence. And not a very readable one at that!

By Anonymous

October 15, 2007 8:36 AM | Link to this

Wow, John D inadvertently makes a great case for believing everything in Gore’s movie—because anyone who screeches about it exemplifying the “dirty Hollywood culture,” and claiming that every movie is automatically fiction, is an obvious raving loonie.

By USinUK

October 15, 2007 8:58 AM | Link to this

John D … please, do us all a favor and see a doctor. While I’m not sure what you have, I’ll bet someone makes a pill for it.

By Chris B.

October 15, 2007 9:00 AM | Link to this

Who is this John D. guy? What happened, did somebody stop monitoring whether he was still taking his medication for schizophrenia?

The big problem for John D. is that reality has become liberally biased. As a father, global warming IS about my children’s future. It is not our fault that John D. either did not get married or does not/did not want children. But I will NOT allow you to mess with my kids future, UNDERSTAND?? My question to you John D. is this; what if Al Gore is right??? Is it not better to error on the side of caution? Your ignornace offends me. In the words of Ron White, “you can’t fix stupid”.

By Chilao

October 15, 2007 9:18 AM | Link to this

So much of our earth’s long-term climatic changes are not really known. Why, we have been doing detailed analysis for what, a max of 100 years or so? A blink of the eye in time. And earth-climate records going further back are even less accurate.

But another concept some fail to understand is EVERYTHING has a saturation point. But for some reason, that does not apply to the earth’s ability to absorb generated heat. For some reason, to some, the earth seems to have unlimited ability to just absorb and absorb and absorb generated heat. Sorry, folks, but at some time it WILL reach its saturation point. Are we there yet? Who knows? Sure there are sunspots partially causing the ice-caps to melt. Other factors certainly could come into play as well. To deny that OTHER factors may be at play reminds me of an ostrich in the desert. (That’s the PG-13 version..LOL)

PBS had a thing on, it has been on twice now. It seems that right after 9/11, when all the planes in the USA were grounded, the weather scientists noticed an INCREASE in average temperatures. Seems all the haze jets generate actually protect us from the sun, with the jets flying we experience something called Global Dimming, reduced temperatures. And it seems some volcanoes in the EastIndies caused MAJOR climatic changes in the USA, early 1800s. Crops would not grow, etc, it was too cold. Sun could not get through the volcanic ash haze.

JohnD might be surprised that there are actually women out there who like good sex and aren’t too interested in marriage. LOL

By Billy

October 15, 2007 9:19 AM | Link to this

“…bring the sexual…”

Best. Post. Ever. In fact, that’s about to become my new catchphrase.

“Hi, honey. I’m just calling to tell you to get the kids down early, because I’m coming home now and I’m bringing the sexual.”

By Billy

October 15, 2007 9:24 AM | Link to this

80 to 90% of women who give into the sexual outside of marriage from their botfriend windup divorced within ten years if they even marry.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Please cite your source, John. What? You don’t have one because you just made that little tidbit up?

By Chilao

October 15, 2007 9:37 AM | Link to this

as opposed to 50 percent who don’t give it up(hate that term in this context) still end up divorced anyway? LOL

Saw Elizabeth: The Golden Age this weekend, she laments that she is still a virgin, wondering if anyone would have her(as a wife, as she tries to meet Euro royalty for marriage, after all, who wants a virgin anyway..LOL), her number one advisor, played by Geoffrey Rush, replies “I don’t think Virginity is an asset that depreciates over time, MeLady”.

By chuck

October 15, 2007 10:10 AM | Link to this

Chris B.

My question to you John D. is this; what if Al Gore is right??? Is it not better to error on the side of caution?

I’m not John D. but I will answer that question for you…NO! It is better to NOT ERR at all. We are not in eminent danger from global warming. In fact, it is more than a little IRONIC, that on the one hand liberals SCREAM that conservatives are wrong for accepting the idea of moral ABSOLUTES, saying that we cannot be sure that God intended that, but demand that we accept the word of AL GORE as absolute truth. (How’d you like that for a long sentence?)

The truths are:

1) We don’t KNOW what causes global warming

2) We don’t know for sure that global warming is necessarily a bad thing. It may be a boon for agriculture by lengthening the growing season and enabling us to grow food to meet a burgeoning third world population. Maybe not..we just don’t know.

3) Even if we determine that global warming, the new religion of the left, is caused by human activity, the economic cost of trying to change it in the short term will far outweigh the long term benefits.

Why not work incrementally toward solutions? Why aren’t all those who claim to be liberals riding bicycles and/or taking public transportation? If just the so-called liberals would change their lifestyles, the rest of us could continue doing what we are doing for a period long enough to find alternative sources of fuel to which our current technology can be adapted. (BTW, the quickest way to accomplish that is to develop NUCLEAR ENERGY, but the liberals are against that also). I think that the key to this issue is that we do not need to disrupt our way of life significantly at this point in time on the word of a POLITICIAN.

Nobody wants an alternative fuel source more than I do. I think it is the best way to END TERRORISM. I don’t really care one way or another about the global warming garbage, but I would love to see the Saudis, Iranians, and others eating sand and drinking oil. I hate the idea of my money going to fund terrorism, but at this point, I am not going to give up my car to accomplish that. However, I will be the first in line to purchase an alternative that will enable me to keep my car and use it in substantially the same way I use it now.

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By lozen

October 15, 2007 10:32 AM | Link to this

I’m about as far to the left as anyone can be and global warming certainly is not my religion! I have always wanted to live at the beach; maybe I can stay right here and it’ll come to me. That wouldn’t be bad for me but it would be bad for all those folks down in Florida now wouldn’t it?
I watched “Contact” again this weekend and I will say this: I have a lot more faith in science (and I know a lot of science is theory that will be disproven at some future date), than I do in the Bush White House propaganda.

By Archie

October 15, 2007 10:34 AM | Link to this

My answer to the topic question is that politics are leading the global warming debate. Politics are leading this debate because it seems as if the right wingers don’t want to acknowledge anything is wrong because of their politics and people that aren’t right wingers may only care because it’s one more thing that can be used to criticize Bush. It looks like Shanti is at least trying to pay attention to science so there’s hope that the politics of this situation will give way to science.

By GOB

October 15, 2007 10:35 AM | Link to this

I think that the key to this issue is that we do not need to disrupt our way of life significantly at this point in time on the word of a POLITICIAN.

What about the word of virtually every scientist that has studied the issue?

but I would love to see the Saudis, Iranians, and others eating sand and drinking oil.

Christian Love - get it while it’s hot…

However, I will be the first in line to purchase an alternative that will enable me to keep my car and use it in substantially the same way I use it now.

So I assume you are enjoying your Prius?

By Anonymous

October 15, 2007 10:38 AM | Link to this

quote: “liberals… demand that we accept the word of AL GORE as absolute truth.”

A compelling argument, Chuck—if anyone were actually making it.

What we DO suggest is that we accept the overwhelming consensus of the scientific community, which has already spoken on global warming. It’s real, we’re a contributing factor, and no, it’s not a “possibly good thing” just because old folks enjoy Florida weather.

Do some reading: http://www.realclimate.org

By JokesOn

October 15, 2007 10:40 AM | Link to this

It is better to NOT ERR at all.

Yet, your position is that we do nothing. And once again, you (like your religion) ridicule those who are trying to understand the complex. You parse out the FEW absurd examples of how the world MIGHT be better by global warming while ignoring the devastating affects that are actively taking place.

“Let go and let god” does not work. Its sole use is to promote the laziness of religion to DO nothing as usual while judging the world.

Yes. Once again the liberals will take the lead, as you suggested, and you can catch up in 50-100 years.

By Billy

October 15, 2007 10:44 AM | Link to this

Chuck, if we don’t know the long-term effects how can we know that the short-term cost of changing things will be greater than the long-term benefits? It’s not that big a cost when you talk about simple things like carpooling and fuel economy. And maybe forcing Big Oil to take their multibillion dollar boondoggle of a tax break and use it to develop alternative fuels.

And what good is a longer growing season when there’s no water to use on crops?

By USinUK

October 15, 2007 10:51 AM | Link to this

Poor Chuckles … struck hard by Gore Derangement Syndrome …

… personally, that was the sweetest thing for me on Friday - watching all the wingnuts’ heads explode …

By Mara

October 15, 2007 10:54 AM | Link to this

I’m with Chilao on this one. We know so little about NATURAL climate change that it’s hard to say definitively that the changes are ‘man-made’.

On the other hand, I kinda like the idea of clean air, clean water, healthy soil, and uncontaminated fauna and flora, so any step in the direction of a clean environment is a step in the right direction as far as I’m concerned.

By lyrazel

October 15, 2007 10:57 AM | Link to this

Well gosh gee golly whiz! In the long run everything leads to sex, doesn’t it John D?

I fail to see how buying a car is helping the environment—if Shaunti gave up driving her lone passenger vehicle and started using public transportation—THAT would help. If Chuck carpooled to school with another teacher: THAT would help. Give up the car for a day. Walk to the grocery or to the park. Walk to the restaurant, carpool to work. Sure if global warming was strictly automotive we could find a solution—but it is NOT. Its all the cheap goods, clothing, shoes, the toys, milk bottles, tiny ketchup and creamer packets, the plastics industry is surging so it must be mentioned. Let us not forget the bane of mankind: the blister pack. How much plastic is consumed by Americans just on vanity products? How much plastic is recycled in your house, office, temple? How many times have you seen bottles broken on the highway and wondered why Georgians cannot get 5¢ on each bottle/can like in Maine? Where is your electricity coming from? Coal powered nuclear plants? Where is its waste going and how many tons of pollution does burning coal produce, does this estimate include land damage and transportation cost? How many acres of land are being paved under in GA? Last estimate was 50/day. With so much sunshine why are passive solar units not gracing your roof to cool the house—there is massive drought in regions of the southeast…but how many people live in subdivisions where recycled water is never used and where lawns of grass are required to be maintained? Start by being a wise consumer not a trendy one. Walk. Buy local food from GA farmers that is not shipped from continents away. Recycle. Plant drought-resistant plants, buy a smaller house and put in solar panels to catch sunlight. Walk.

Yes, chuckie, I walk, I ride public transportation, I recycle and have all the above mentioned implements for lowering my consumption of resources. Al Gore made an effort—what have right wingers done beyond hide behind blinders and send other Americans to die in the name of fighting terrorism and other cliches? Feel safer? Won any nobel peace prizes lately?

By Chilao

October 15, 2007 10:59 AM | Link to this

And what good is a longer growing season when there’s no water to use on crops

that will be the OIL of the new(this) century: WATER.

something T. Boone Pickens also expressed in a Playboy interview about a year ago.

Once again the liberals will take the lead, as you suggested, and you can catch up in 50-100 years

that is why it is called Progressive and conservatives eventually get dragged, kicking and screaming, into the new era. LOL

I have never understood how people can look at history and not realize Liberalism/Progressiveness ALWAYS prevails.

By Archie

October 15, 2007 11:00 AM | Link to this

Let go and let god” does not work. Its sole use is to promote the laziness of religion to DO nothing as usual while judging the world.

JokesOn not all of us church folk think that way as I think Chuck’s points have more to do with his politics than his religion. Beating down Saudis and Iranians has more to with politics and a major superiority complex than religion because the last sermon I heard was about forgiveness and shame. JokesOn a lot of religious folk are frauds plain and simple so it does not matter what they say because they aren’t sincere in the first place. I have not read much on global warming but if a right-wing person like Shanti appreciates Al Gore’s efforts then it deserves some research on the public’s part.

By NetBanker

October 15, 2007 11:06 AM | Link to this

Happy Monday, kids!

This topic is a really tough one. I must say that the ‘evidence’ that the current Administration stifled scientific debate in order not to contradict their message rather compelling. So shame on them!! At the same time, I’m not entirely certain that I can agree with the strident believers of either side because global warming is outrageously complex.

To those who firmly believe that man is the cause of global warming, I caution accepting that hypothesis too quickly. We know with all certainty from geologic records that in the past the Earth was far warmer than it is now. We also know that warming and cooling trends occur over extremely long expanses of time measured in thousands of years and when compared to that global timeframe we appear to simply be living through the final melt of the last ice age. That said, human activity has likely increased the pace of the melt so changing our current behaviors, while not likely to have a major impact in the near future, is still probably a good thing to pursue.

To the naysayers, my advice is open your ears and accept that global warming IS happening. Chuck questions why to believe Al Gore, but HELLO?!! Al didn’t invent the message…the hundreds of scientists researching warming created the message so stop making this a right/left thing and about Al Gore….it’s a human thing. Chuck does have a point that we don’t necessarily know that global warming is entirely bad, but be careful there Chuck. While growing seasons may increase or crops may migrate to areas where they formerly haven’t been able to be grown, we also know that 80 million years ago many areas of the world that are useable land today were under water. You can’t forget that the oceans are warming which also means that their volume will increase even without adding all the H2O that is locked up in glaciers…which are melting. That ultimately means a migration of coasts inland with a net loss of livable land mass which means more or the same number of people living on less land and less land to support agriculture. The loss of glaciers also means a loss of rivers to provide water to many areas so we may see a decrease in land that can be farmed due to lack of accessible water.

Regardless of the amount of impact human activity has on global warming, we do know that our dependence on fossil fuels (especially oil and coal) is fouling our environment and doing it harm; harm that comes back to impact humans. For this reason alone, let alone energy independence from the Middle East as well as the fact that using varied and diverse energy production methods protects us from terrorism, we should be doing more to increase the commercial viability of alternate energy sources. We could also become a world leader in energy technology exports. Whatever one’s reasoning to prompt action we should all realize that we’re all stuck in this together and that spending energy on debating why is better spent figuring out what we can do.

One last thing…let’s not ask stupid questions like “Why aren’t all those who claim to be liberals riding bicycles and/or taking public transportation?” when we know that public transportation has been starved of funding for decades by our government leaders and they continue to try to cut funding for it or to insist that it be self-sustaining when absolutely no other form of transportation is made to live up to that model. I admit that I do neither in daily commute to work only because I couldn’t stop my office from relocating from Midtown (where I took MARTA for 7 years to work) to a suburban office park that isn’t accessible to public transportation nor are there any available routes on which to safely ride a bicycle from the closest public transport to the office.

By laurie

October 15, 2007 11:07 AM | Link to this

The worst part of global warming is the bickering of what is causing it. At this point, we do need to focus on lowering our impact on the planet. Our impact is not sustainable, but mostly we need to focus on getting people across the world through this time period. There are entire countries that may become nearly uninhabitable due to rising tides or lack of potable water. If the US isnt going to take our part in this seriously, then we certainly ought to consider hosting these people as the most recent refugees. Instead of war, they will be refugees of the climate. If you take a few science classes you will see we are mostly likely speeding up the climate change process, once educated that proof is irrevocable. Another sad fact in the process is that the Republican business men have held meetings for years about how they can profit from global warming. New products, new beach front property and how to monopolize scarce resources. They may not fully believe it, but they are willing to figure out how they could potentially benefit from it; it only makes good business sense. Hybrid cars are NOT the answer either. The batteries are extremely toxic. Maybe someday they’ll find a decent environmentally sound battery, but they haven’t yet. Market forces control where we all live, if we all had it our way, we’d live close to work with no commute and a livable neighborhood. Maybe some more investigation is due into that situation.

By No name please

October 15, 2007 11:17 AM | Link to this

On the other hand, I kinda like the idea of clean air, clean water, healthy soil, and uncontaminated fauna and flora, so any step in the direction of a clean environment is a step in the right direction as far as I’m concerned.

Well said, Mara!! That we have polluted our environment, rendering much of what our Creator gave us to sustain life filthy and toxic, and have squandered precious, limited resources, are facts that exist independently of the “Are we causing climate change?” argument. Yet we can watch the right-wing enablers of wide-scale corporate polluters use every manner of ridicule, intimidation, and even bible quotes to distract us from what is irrefutable: pollution stinks and waste is wasteful.

I wonder how these religious folks reconcile their defense of greed and selfishness over the preservation and wise use of that which only God can make.

By NetBanker

October 15, 2007 11:19 AM | Link to this

I have never understood how people can look at history and not realize Liberalism/Progressiveness ALWAYS prevails. Chilao…that has always been a mystery to me too. I’m not saying that conservatives should stop existing as a system of check/balances, but why not be a foil rather than a counterbalance? Why not recognize that change is a constant and work to shape it or improve it rather than thwart it?

By Gandalf, the White

October 15, 2007 11:27 AM | Link to this

Global Warming and Global cooling are part of a natural cycle here in the solar system of SOL. Ice Ages happen.

People will use public transportion when it’s too expensive to drive their own cars. Europe is a good example of this.

Al Gore is an alarmist fraud. If he is so concerned about “GLOBAL WARMING”, why would he leave such a fat carbon footprint? How much concern does his choices for vehicles and how he heats his home show? Little or none! (SUV’s and not choosing to use “earth friendly” energy choices in case you aren’t aware of this!) I won’t even go into the inacuracies of his movie, that’s been done already. The science is in, ALGORE is a fat idiot. (People are starving and he eats like he does!)

No, the Nobel Peace prize has fallen to a popularity contest for liberals. After Arafat won, who could possible believe it’s not farce of what the man that begin this trust wanted?

No, Liberalism is a mental disorder. These people need pharmaceutical help.

By Mara

October 15, 2007 11:27 AM | Link to this

Paul Krugman has an interesting op/ed today regarding the Republican’s hysterical hatred and contempt for Al Gore: his conclusion? Despite all the derision, Al keeps being right.

As for why most Republicans deny the existance of global climate change…

Today, being a good Republican means believing that taxes should always be cut, never raised. It also means believing that we should bomb and bully foreigners, not negotiate with them

So if science says that we have a big problem that can’t be solved with tax cuts or bombs — well, the science must be rejected, and the scientists must be slimed.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/15/opinion/15krugman.html?ref=opinion

By JokesOn

October 15, 2007 11:27 AM | Link to this

Archie,

JokesOn not all of us church folk think that way as I think Chuck’s points have more to do with his politics than his religion.

I understand that and it is the reason I put the “(like your religion)” in the beginning of my post. I wanted to specify his take on what christianity is, not what it either should be or how it is practiced by some people in the world.

By Amy in the ATL

October 15, 2007 11:30 AM | Link to this

While I appreciate Shaunti’s openness to becoming more environmentally conscious in her own life, she seems to miss the point that it is the Republicans, not the Democrats, who have made global warming a political issue. Instead of focusing the debate on how to combat the problem, and there is a lot of worthy debate to be had, they have focused on first disputing that global warming is even happening by attacking scientific findings, hamstringing the EPA, and ignoring the Kyoto treaty. Why? Because there is way too much oil money going into the GOP for them to remain unbiased. It’s time for true campaign finance reform, for one, but it’s also time for the GOP to wake up and realize that it is not in Americans’ best interests to continue to drive fuel-inefficient vehicles instead of embracing fuel saving technology and mass transportation. In addition to helping reduce global warming, using less gas also means that less money will be headed out of the U.S. and into the hands of Saudi Arabia, Iran and Venezuela. And that can’t be a bad thing, now, can it?

By Gandalf, the White

October 15, 2007 12:00 PM | Link to this

The fact is there are about 5 billion too many people on this planet. Get rid of them, and the whole global warmning thing goes away.

By lozen

October 15, 2007 12:18 PM | Link to this

using less gas also means that less money will be headed out of the U.S. and into the hands of Saudi Arabia, Iran and Venezuela. And that can’t be a bad thing, now, can it? It is a bad thing for wealthy oil people like the Bush family who have been bedfellows for years with the Saudis and the bin Laden family.

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By NetBanker

October 15, 2007 12:24 PM | Link to this

Just to add an ‘argument’ in favor of more public transportation…it can be used to effectively to move large numbers of people in response to pending natural disasters and in case of terror attacks. The same facilities can also be used to move disaster responders and emergency supplies. Just recall the photos of all those school buses sitting in NOLA that could have been used to evacuate the city as an example. Public transportation could be a Additionally, trains are the most efficient form of transport in terms of energy consumed per person/product moved.

By Chilao

October 15, 2007 12:49 PM | Link to this

NetB - don’t you work in that industry? I may know someone who works with you, a QC tester.

By JokesOn

October 15, 2007 1:06 PM | Link to this

The fact is there are about 5 billion too many people on this planet. Get rid of them, and the whole global warmning thing goes away.

I vote we begin with you and chuck. That way we do away with global warming and excess hot air;)

By lozen

October 15, 2007 1:09 PM | Link to this

Absolutely Net. Trains are by far most efficient as far as fuel! And of course we all know that auto makers are responsible for the demise of the train system (and all other public transportation) in this country, right? They were smart enough to put great pressure on the government from the very beginning, and to use advertising expertly. Speaking of advertising….

His name was Edward L. Bernays. He was Sigmund Freud’s nephew.

Before the early twentieth century, marketers thought of people as being rational beings. They figured all they had to do was reason with the public logically if they wanted to sell their product. (Old ads are wonderful.) Freud’s theories pointed out that everyone also possessed an unconscious mind filled with instincts and hidden emotions: sex, security, aggression, and survival. This unconscious mind greatly influences how people as a whole behave.

Edward Bernays was raised in the United States. He spent a lot of the summers of his youth vacationing in Austria and getting to know firsthand some of his famous uncle’s theories. He used what he learned to formulate the most useful corporate theory on the planet. This theory is called “Public Relations” by some, and “Spin” by others. You and I have been influenced by spin for decades if we’ve lived in any so called “civilized” nation of the world. The industrial revolution and “public relations” have always been hand in hand. Some of Bernays’ campaigns actually changed the behavior of most Americans. In the mid twenties, a company called Beechnut Packing wanted to improve its sales of bacon. Bernays, instead of creating a campaign to put the bacon on sale created a new and unheard of use for the product. He asked the medical community if it was better for people to have a hardy breakfast or a light breakfast. Doctors agreed that a hearty breakfast was better. The breakfast of that period consisted of toast, coffee, and juice. Bernays added bacon and eggs to this breakfast. He started a marketing campaign that touted the medical benefits of a hearty breakfast that included bacon and eggs. To this day, an “all American” breakfast includes bacon and eggs.

Here is how Bernays felt about Public Relations and democracy:

“The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country.”

By Chilao

October 15, 2007 1:19 PM | Link to this

It is called EDUCATION when it is what we WANT you to learn.

It is called PROPAGANDA by others when it is what others do not want you to learn.

LOL

By lozen

October 15, 2007 1:28 PM | Link to this

Ooooops! Wish I’d gone to another site to get info about Bernay, (although it is correct as far as Bernay is concerned). I read about him in a college course and couldn’t quite remember the story of his early career. :^(

By NetBanker

October 15, 2007 1:59 PM | Link to this

Chilao…if you mean by “that industry” a software company that writes web-based commercial banking applications, then yes. Who is the QA person? There are a couple of competing companies out there, but since it’s kind of specialized from a knowledge perspective the industry is somewhat “incestous” so we may or may not still work together.

By Chilao

October 15, 2007 2:06 PM | Link to this

No, NetB, wrong industry, I was thinking you worked in railroad software, something you had said several months ago made me think that(not today’s post). sorry.

I worked in banking software for 4 years, AT A BANK, but it was not web-based. Main product was Banker II, but we did alot of ancillaries as well. as well as MODS..LOL

By Chilao

October 15, 2007 2:13 PM | Link to this

NetB - Banker II, pre-unix, it ran on NCR software/minis.. I actually interviewed for the people converting it to unix, but I was not selected. My unix skill THEN was much less than now. Plus the guy was hostile about people who had moved east.

I left wondering why I had even come in for an interview since he was less interested in what I knew about Banker and more interested in “What the heck you doing here?”. I still remember his name. FA! But then I got that a lot. we don’t like foreigners around dese part (a foreigner being anyone NOT from the surrounding counties..LMAO)

By Jack

October 15, 2007 2:37 PM | Link to this

Lozen. You speak of automakers and special interests. Check the design of our wonderful MARTA rail system and tell me special interests didn’t have a say as to where it goes.

By lozen

October 15, 2007 2:49 PM | Link to this

I’m sure special interests had something to do with our MARTA rail location Jack. Has there ever been a time or circumstance where special interests didn’t have a say?

By Mara

October 15, 2007 2:50 PM | Link to this

http://www.news.com.au/perthnow/story/0,21598,22492511-5005375,00.html?from=mostpop

evidently I use more of my “right brain” than my left. They say that if one concentrates you can change the rotation, but frankly, I don’t believe I have enough determination to keep my attention on one thing long enough to convince myself that what I’m seeing isn’t what I’m seeing… :^)

By Chilao

October 15, 2007 3:12 PM | Link to this

do I have a Toggle brain, or did everyone else see both clockwise and counter-clockwise(what did they call it, anti-clockwise?).

seems she toggled between the two, quite easily. Some dancer and dare I mention, form? LOL

I think it was a TRICK animated .gif. LOL

By Chilao

October 15, 2007 3:25 PM | Link to this

it is not a trick gif, I brought it into Jasc Software’s Animation 3 software and when played frame by frame slowly, she is only moving one direction. and even then I could see clockwise and counter-clockwise if I wished.

I must be a Moral Relativist. LOL(that was too funny, could not resist)

By lozen

October 15, 2007 3:27 PM | Link to this

Mara, that’s fantastic. I saw both equally. Sometimes she was going clockwise and sometimes counter. I thought they were tricking me. You just have to watch long enough and suddenly she turns! So I got a co-worker to watch also thinking if we both saw her switch at the same time it might be a trick. We both saw the switch but not at the same time. I could not make her change either. She changed directions when it happened! Fasinating Captain.

By lozen

October 15, 2007 3:34 PM | Link to this

It seems that I can change her direction only if I stare at the shadow of her feet at the bottom. Or maybe I do! This right brain/left brain started me wondering again about the basis of liberal/conservative….

By Mara

October 15, 2007 3:38 PM | Link to this

glad you all found it as interesting as I did. I noticed that it was easier for me to “toggle” between clockwise and anti-clockwise if I just used my peripheral vision instead of looking at it straight on. Still…it was pretty cool.

By NetBanker

October 15, 2007 3:54 PM | Link to this

Check the design of our wonderful MARTA rail system and tell me special interests didn’t have a say as to where it goes. I imagine there was some concession, but I’m just curious as to whether you’re talking about the MARTA rail that is actually installed or the entire system as it was designed 25 years ago. The original design was a comprehensive system that would take us far more places and farther out than it does now. The NIMBY crowd of the late 70’s blocked MARTA coming into Cobb and Gwinnett…too afraid of those ‘bad’ elements coming out to the ‘burbs from the city. The funny factor now though is the number of gangs and amount of crime in Gwinnett..looks like public transport has nothing to do with crime in any particular area.

Chilao…the closest thing to railroad software would be the train garden we had as kids. Great set of large guage trains that were originally my grandfathers and then a small guage belonging to my brother and I. My Dad still has all the stuff and sets it up every year in their basement so my nephew (aka The Crown Prince) can play with it. Out of curiosity, which bank? I’ve worked for First National Maryland, Mellon Mortgage, Bank South, NationsBank, Bank of America doing both internal development although primarily working with the vendors of systems.

By NetBanker

October 15, 2007 3:58 PM | Link to this

I must take exception to the use of anti-clockwise. Honestly! Who could be against things moving clockwise? That’s why counterclockwise makes sense because in this case the movement actually is contrary to clockwise movement rather than being against clockwise movement.

By Chilao

October 15, 2007 4:05 PM | Link to this

NetB - a small, 6-branch bank in SoCal that got shut down by the FDIC while I was there; that was quite the experience. They come in with a team and lock the place up. I gave notice since I planned on leaving anyway, and moved east after the two weeks; they needed me to stay for data tapes they got from me, in fact I was the first person they asked for when they arrived(since they needed the data format changed); I had gone home at 5p on FRI and they moved in at 6p.

But I remember the head FDIC closer coming in and telling me to go do some warehousing of boxes out back; I replied “If you do not need IT services, I do not need to be here”. He backed off.

By Chilao

October 15, 2007 4:08 PM | Link to this

I think regressives might appreciate that anti-clockwise verbage. LOL

You know, the GoodOleDays that weren’t that great really.

By Chilao

October 15, 2007 4:16 PM | Link to this

Net - 1/2 the people that worked there when the FDIC closed it went to work for the acquiring bank; hence the ‘notice’ I gave; that is how the FDIC works when closing a bank, they get another bank to acquire at least the Deposit-side accounts, that way the customers are covered. And some of the loans, my car loan transferred to the acquiring bank.

By Chilao

October 15, 2007 4:17 PM | Link to this

I think regressives are called reactionaries, I got the wrong ‘r’ word.

By Chilao

October 15, 2007 4:27 PM | Link to this

That brings up an interesting thought: In cultures where the written text moves from the right of the page to the left, as in Hebrew and Arabic, do the clocks move from right to left, whereas our clocks move from left to right, like our written text?

anybody see Memento, the movie that starts at the end and each segment moves back to the beginning of the movie(and the man’s travails)?

By Chilao

October 15, 2007 4:29 PM | Link to this

Now I have known for years you can buy a counter-clockwise clock, but are they heavily used where Hebrew and Arabic are used?

By No name please

October 15, 2007 4:36 PM | Link to this

Are y’all for real? I saved the animated .gif to my hard drive and opened it in another browser. She turned 20 rotations counter-clockwise, then switched and began to go the other way. It’s not even a trick; it only seems to be, because we were told it had to do with our minds. Open the file for someone without telling them anything about it. She’ll bounce on her heel 20 times and then go the other way. No trick. No special insight into our minds.

By Chilao

October 15, 2007 5:04 PM | Link to this

NoNamePlease - So you saw her dancing both clockwise and counter-clockwise? Is that what you are saying?

LOL couldn’t resist.

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By Reason

October 16, 2007 9:08 AM | Link to this

Why don’t we ask the inhabitants of Mars, Venus and Saturn what they are doing to control global warming since it’s happening on their planet too.

By Billy

October 16, 2007 9:43 AM | Link to this

I saw it clockwise, then got it to move counter-clockwise. Then I couldn’t get it to go back. I broke my brain! I did finally get to where I could flip it pretty easily…

I think clocks move clockwise to mimic the movement of the shadow on a sundial. Had sundials and, eventually, clocks been developed in the Southern Hemisphere, I believe the clocks would have run in the opposite direction…

By Billy

October 16, 2007 9:47 AM | Link to this

Why don’t we ask the inhabitants of Mars, Venus and Saturn what they are doing to control global warming since it’s happening on their planet too.

Well, we could, but they didn’t do anything about it and now there are no inhabitants on said planets…

By NetBanker

October 16, 2007 9:48 AM | Link to this

“No special insight into our minds.” Sure there is! There must be an insight in there somewhere about the few people who took the time to download the file into another program analyze it to determine that there is a set pattern as to when the image spins in each direction and for how many rotations vs the people who didn’t and accepted that it was a mind thing.

By Billy

October 16, 2007 10:01 AM | Link to this

NetB — I think it is a mind thing. Were the picture reversing on its own every 20 rotation, I’d only be able to see it reverse every 20 rotations, right? Why, then, can I switch it after 10, then after 3, then after 7?

By Chilao

October 16, 2007 10:12 AM | Link to this

Well, we could, but they didn’t do anything about it and now there are no inhabitants on said planets…

Bet they even called it political science (before their demise).

That animated dancer only went one direction in an Animation editor, however, the javascript that ran in the html code must have something that when the ‘looping’ is done, rather than start at the beginning, as would be common in most looping, loops ‘backwards’. I looked at both but you cannot see the exact javascript code in the html as it is embedded. I don’t know java but it could be a parm on the line, like “,2,’ means reverse loop, that kind of thing. more like “,0,” might mean normal looping, “,1,” means reverse looping. another one of them there ‘toggles’. LOL

By JokesOn

October 16, 2007 10:13 AM | Link to this

NetB — I think it is a mind thing. Were the picture reversing on its own every 20 rotation, I’d only be able to see it reverse every 20 rotations, right? Why, then, can I switch it after 10, then after 3, then after 7?

Agreed. And I also opened it with graphics app to find that the frames do cycle in “one” direction, meaning there is no trickery.

It is really no differen then turning a 3d wire-frame box inside out using your mind. You just have to change the perspective that you “believe” that you are looking at the dancer from.

I do not believe that it has as much to do with right vs left brain as it does a*******umed perspective and controling that perspective.

By Chilao

October 16, 2007 10:15 AM | Link to this

but that javacode part does not explain how I, in the Animation editor, saw it (this morning) only going one direction, when yesterday I saw it going both directions, within the ‘play animation’ of the editor.

By Chilao

October 16, 2007 10:18 AM | Link to this

the dancer is like the two faces versus two vases thing, you see what you want to see.

By Anonymous

October 16, 2007 10:31 AM | Link to this

Gotta love the old “global warming on Mars” dodge. They’ll really go to any lengths to deny the truth, won’t they? Reminds me of Galileo trying to explain things to the Catholics.

http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2006/12/17/222712/69 http://www.realclimate.org/index.php?p=192

By lozen

October 16, 2007 10:37 AM | Link to this

The dancer software got saved to my harddrive and was trying to send out messages which were stopped by my spyware (or something like that). Anyway, what do you think about the guy who is being called a douchbag because he sent a nasty email to a woman who rejected him on the email dating site? I would have rejected him too.

By Chilao

October 16, 2007 10:47 AM | Link to this

Lozen - I just did a virus/spyware scan of the disk where I saved that dancer.gif(not my primary drive) and I got nothing.

I had not heard of the douchebag but he sounds like one.

By Chilao

October 16, 2007 10:54 AM | Link to this

here he is: when she says she is not a match, it is time to move on, no reason for retorts: especially ONLINE.

http://johnfitzgeraldpage.com/default.aspx

By JokeOns

October 16, 2007 11:04 AM | Link to this

I would have rejected him too.

Absolutely. The guy is a tool so it seems by his site and emailed response.

By NetBanker

October 16, 2007 11:25 AM | Link to this

“Two of the leading Republican presidential candidates spent more than they raised this summer, according to campaign finance reports filed Monday, in another sign of the fund-raising difficulties the party faces as it seeks to hold on to the White House.”

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/printedition/2007/10/16/fundraising1016.html

Hmmmm…seems as though the candidates are now following the GOP’s new spending pattern…deficit spending. That doesn’t seem to bode well for the whole ‘fiscal responsibility’ thing, now does it?

By lozen

October 16, 2007 11:29 AM | Link to this

They’ll really go to any lengths to deny the truth, won’t they? Reminds me of Galileo trying to explain things to the Catholics. Ain’t that the truth? I’ve been thinking (since watching the film ‘Contact’ again this weekend) about living in a culture of denial based on superstition. Where people really believe teenagers won’t have sex if you tell them not to or keep them from having any information about sex! Where a large percentage of people believe there’s an invisible, jealous god who wrote a book of rules to follow and all they have to do is obey, bow down, abase themselves, and worship only him and everything will be fine. It’s 2007! I know a few thousand years from now (if we’re still here) Yahweh and Allah will have gone the way of Apollo and Horus, but there will probably be new gods to replace them since we humans seem to have a need for some invisible person who’ll take care of everything, just like mommy and daddy did. Will the human race ever mature?

By Chilao

October 16, 2007 11:29 AM | Link to this

here is what he wrote her after she automated her decline:

http://gawker.com/news/douchebags/nightmare-online-dater-john-fitzgerald-page-is-the-worst-person-in-the-world-309684.php

I don’t watch SMARTER THAN A 5thGrader but have caught some, they had some MENSA folk on, the guy flunked, and part of the deal was he had to say, when he exited “I might be a member of MENSA, but I am NOT smarter than a 5thGrader. LOL

By NetBanker

October 16, 2007 11:36 AM | Link to this

Just for clarification on the dancer thing…I wasn’t the one who said it wasn’t a mind thing. I’m the one who jokingly had a problem with anti vs counter in relation to clockwise.

By Mara

October 16, 2007 11:53 AM | Link to this

Why is everyone so surprised that a guy would act like a butthead when rejected? While the guys (and gals) here are uncommonly decent, intelligent, sophisticated, kind, handsome, witty, etc…experience has shown me that it is not unusual for men to have a “F—-ing b—-! She’s probably a lesbian, and I wouldn’t have f—-ed her anyway! The f—-ing skank!” reaction when turned down for a date.

But that’s just MY experience and only applies to perhaps 4 in 10 guys.

(stat is a generalization of overall life experience, a guess-timation if you will, and not intended as a provable total)

By lozen

October 16, 2007 11:55 AM | Link to this

This made me feel better—- “If you’ve stood aside from your own mind and become the witness of your experience, or felt loving toward someone you ordinarily don’t like, or stood in nature and sensed the interconnectedness of everything, you’ve touched one of the flavors of the enlightened state. If you’ve ever lost yourself completely in a task, in sexual ecstasy or dancing or music, or felt pure happiness or compassion well up for no reason, you’ve touched enlightenment. Of course, human beings have had such experiences forever. And full enlightenment—which I’d define as the realization that there is one energy in the universe and that all of us are part of it—is not something that comes easily. It requires effort, commitment, and grace. Yet surely ours is the first moment in history when massive numbers of ordinary people have a context in which to understand their experiences of deeper connectedness and have access to practices that can help make them a regular part of life.” Sally Kempton/Yoga Journal:

By Billy

October 16, 2007 12:13 PM | Link to this

Mara, I’m not surprised so much, but I don’t think the guy is undeserving of his “title”. It’s sad that he doesn’t realize why she turned him down. She didn’t need to meet him in person or even exchange further emails or a phone call. His little intro was all the info anyone would need to see how big a douche he is.

He claims to have scored in the 98th percentile on the SAT and ACT. Q: What sort of jackass scored in the top two percent of one test and then feels the need to take the other test? A: The sort of jackass that wants to be able to say he scored in the top two percent on both tests. And MENSA? Is it not, to an extent, a group where people who have won the genetic lottery as far as innate academic ability is concerned can sit around and pat each other on the back for being smart? And can we assume his admissions interviewer realized that he was a jerk since, according to his own statements, he used his MENSA status to get into college? What, 98th percentile scores and 97th percentile GPA weren’t enough by themselves to overcome the evident persistent douchebaggery?

Mara, the reason this guy irks everyone is because of what he symbolizes: that group of people who have to be the best at everything to feel good about themselves and then lord their supposed superiority over everyone else.

By Jack

October 16, 2007 12:20 PM | Link to this

Those who brag about their size or brains are probably lying.

By Chilao

October 16, 2007 12:29 PM | Link to this

He claims to have scored in the 98th percentile on the SAT and ACT.

what kinda of douchebag even brings that kind of info UP in an introductory letter? WGAS?!

oh, a douchebag, that’s who. LOL

By Jack

October 16, 2007 12:39 PM | Link to this

Ah. So again it is all Bush’s fault. It is all about the White House. I see.

Better set down. I am about to reveal a statement that just might turn the entire liberal world on their ear.

Are you ready?

Here goes:

Climate change did not start in the year 2001, when Bush took office.

Wow. I’ve said it.

But of course starving children, kids without health insurance, foreign countries that do not like us and outrageous control of our government by the major oil companies didn’t start in the year 2001 either.

The dims promised to regulate the oil companies but this year, we have the highest prices in history, but not a word from the dims.

The second highest earning industry in America is the insurance companies. You know, the companies that the Clintons allowed to decide how long people stay in hospitals. And now Hillary care will make them the richest industry in the history of the world. How noble.

What is absolutely stunning about liberals is now that the democrats own Congress, they STILL blame everything on Bush.

Amazing.

By lozen

October 16, 2007 12:48 PM | Link to this

Hey Mara. I wasn’t surprised, but he’s over the top, way over the top in his opinion of himself, his presentation of himself and his reaction to her “no thanks”. You’re right; the behavior isn’t unusual. The book “The Macho Paradox” points out that this is very prevalent - males feeling that women who reject them deserve to be treated badly, even violently. It’s part of a male subculture/undercurrent left over from centuries of misogyny/patriarchy. The author of the book talks about how many men who have battered and abused women feel justified because she did something like call him a name or refuse to do what he told her to do. So this guy is just typical of that syndrome in one of its milder forms.

By Chilao

October 16, 2007 12:50 PM | Link to this

What is absolutely stunning about liberals is now that the democrats own Congress, they STILL blame everything on Bush

did that come from Rush’s site? LOL

that is all kinda funny, that exact line there about Congress, if you look at the recent veto history. 52/48 popular vote(2004) is a MANDATE, per Bush, but voter control of both Houses of Congress is not. Incredible.

Is this even the same Jack or the other Jack? Did you get the right blog?

Oh, that’s right though, Clinton got blamed for everything when the GOP controlled Congress. What else is new?

By lozen

October 16, 2007 12:56 PM | Link to this

I suspect “Jack” is really you-know-who hiding behind yet another alias. And speaking of people like douchebag who think too, too highly of themselves: “Better set down. I am about to reveal a statement that just might turn the entire liberal world on their ear.” Dream on Jack. Nobody I know is that effected by what a wingnut says.

By No name please

October 16, 2007 1:03 PM | Link to this

Hey lozen! Word. I think it’s interesting that in general, women seem to have the opposite reaction to being rejected, either blaming and hating the women who does “win” the man’s affection, or by turning the rejection inward, magnifiying one’s own perceived flaws and inadequacies, resulting in despair and a lack of confidence, a drinking habit, loud playing of Janis Joplin records, eating disorders, and the acquisition of enormous debt to pay for surgical cosmetic enhancements.

By Mara

October 16, 2007 1:05 PM | Link to this

Jack…Huh? The libruls are blaming Bush? Who said climate change was Bush’s “fault”? I don’t believe it’s his fault but I do think that his policies and his refusal to face fact doesn’t help the situation. Researching and implementing alternative energies, new eco-friendly designs, and new ways to reclaim spilled or contaminated fuels are all economic opportunities, not unlike the computer industry tech explosion. We need funding for research. We need new eco-technology to be touted, not sneered at. We need to test and market said technologies. On the scale that it needs to happen, private research alone isn’t going to work quickly enough.

This administration, while not responsible for global climate change, does view it as a nasty librul plot to destroy the American economy, deny citizens their right to waste, and redistribute monies from the ever-helpful corporations to the lazy, never-work, hippie-dippy welfare queens. And with a bare majority in Congress, the Dems can’t fix everything themselves. ALL Americans should be concerned about this. Yes, even the self-centered I-got-mine Republicans.

By Jack

October 16, 2007 1:08 PM | Link to this

Try to use more than that liberal “Bumper Sticker ” mentality. The health insurance companies gained their power during the years between 1993 and 1995, when the Democrats controlled both houses and the White House. Your statement sounded like the nonsense that Clinton was incompetent because he got oral sex in the oval office.

I have no idea who the “other jack” is. But if it makes you feel better about your ignoring the facts I wrote in my post, knock yourself out.

So why do you think the democrats haven’t done a single thing about the increase in gas prices after they promised they would? It couldn’t possibly be because of the lobbying money always goes to the party in power, could it?

Could it possibly be that the almost God-like democrats are being bought by the oil companies? Say it ain’t so!!!!

And how about that wonderful and saint-like Ms. Clinton endorsing a plan that would make the insurance companies the most powerful industry in the world. Could it possible be that those crazy Republicans that claim it is all about the money in WAshington actually got it right?

Could it be that democrats are more interested in power and money than the health of our precious children? Again, SAY IT AIN’T SO!!!!!!

By Mara

October 16, 2007 1:16 PM | Link to this

Hey Billy! Mara, the reason this guy irks everyone is because of what he symbolizes: that group of people who have to be the best at everything to feel good about themselves and then lord their supposed superiority over everyone else

I can understand that. On the other hand, I assumed he was “padding” his bio with a bunch of made-up “accomplishments” because he believes (mistakenly) that it’s the kind of person women are attracted to. Some people lie about themselves because they don’t believe that who they really are would interest anyone.

He probably lost his first girlfriend to the hunky, privileged quarterback and will be bitter about it for the rest of his life.

ah, well.

By Mara

October 16, 2007 1:21 PM | Link to this

yeah, lozen, I agree. It doesn’t really sound like the Jack we all know. Whoever it is sounds almost…hysterical.

(was that lip-foam that just flew by?!)

.

By Jack

October 16, 2007 1:26 PM | Link to this

Mara …

You sound like a page from a website.

Talk is cheap. The Kennedies barred the building of a wind farm off the shore of their family compound.

Here in Atlanta, a large group of liberals is fighting the guy in Grant Park who wants to put up a windmill to subsidize the electricity needed for his home.

I was an Eagle Scout, picking up garbage along the Appalachian Trail while Al Gore was living in his racist Daddy’s hotel suite in Washington. Save your sermon about evil Republicans for people who are dumb enough to believe it. It wasn’t the Republicans that made the environment a political issue.

By Jack

October 16, 2007 1:29 PM | Link to this

Mara.

Oh shucks. I made the mistake of claiming to be an Eagle Scout. And now you claim that I sound hysterical.

Whatever makes you feel better about ignoring the fact that the democrats are now the people getting all the lobbying money.

It must be rough being a liberal.

The things you have to do …

By lozen

October 16, 2007 1:31 PM | Link to this

Try to use more than that liberal “Bumper Sticker ” mentality. You mean you don’t have a bumper sticker that says, “Don’t let the DIMS win”? Say it ain’t so. You come on with both guns blasting away, calling people names, and acting as if you’re the only person in the world who knows the “Truth” about it all! Are you a political science teacher? I doubt it. Then when someone acts toward you exactly the same way, you’re so offended by the nasty liberals. Now don’t you ignore what Mara said, OK?

By Global Warming Scam

October 16, 2007 1:38 PM | Link to this

Why is this even an issue when leading scientists have come out against this movie and other issues stating that this is a normal thing that happens with the earth. Al Gore is full of Sh!! He wants us to ride our bikes to work while he flies his private jet everywhere. I believe in recycling and other enviornmental issues, but global warming is a crock, and there have been numerous debates against it. Alot of the movie are just opinions and everyone is entilted to thier own, but to many fools are out there believe the first thing they see.

By lozen

October 16, 2007 1:41 PM | Link to this

How the f—- do you presume to know all the ppl fighting the guy’s windmill in Grant Park are liberals? Maybe some of them live around him and don’t want some windmill towering over the neighborhood. Maybe it has more to do with personal issues than political ones? Jeez. And yes, you do sound hysterical.

By Mara

October 16, 2007 1:47 PM | Link to this

I made the mistake of claiming to be an Eagle Scout. And now you claim that I sound hysterical.

Yahooo! I have psychic powers! I knew the not-Jack would claim to be an Eagle Scout and that’s why I commented on his mouth-foaming hysteria BEFORE he posted! I’mmmmm PSYCHIC!!!

Hush now. I must concentrate on tonights winning lotto numbers…..

By lozen

October 16, 2007 1:47 PM | Link to this

Global Warming: Would you mind sharing a few names of “leading scientists” who have come out against the movie. I’d also like to have their websites. I’m open to information.

By Jack

October 16, 2007 1:49 PM | Link to this

lozen

First, my political views could not be explained if a person used a three point font, if it were written over my complete Volvo Station Wagon. There is no three word phrase that I would depend on to sum it all up. Why would anyone try such a thing? So, no, your attempt at understanding my complete being by reading a few of my thoughts has failed miserably.

But I would like to see where I called anyone a name? Come on. Give it a shot. Or are you just another hysterical person that likes to imagine what others say.

I answered Mara’s post.

And no, I’m not a political science teacher. My job offers me a much closer opportunity to understand politics than someone who lives in the mantra of “If one can’t do, one teaches”.

By Windmill

October 16, 2007 1:50 PM | Link to this

The guy bought the Windmill because he is an a!!hole, The Windmill does not save any money and it is an eyesore. He could have came up with better ideas on how to help the enviornment but instead wanted to create problems for everybody.

By Yes

October 16, 2007 1:53 PM | Link to this

I will have his name in a minute, he is a the leading Metoroligist in the world. I will post as soon as I have the link.

By Jack

October 16, 2007 1:55 PM | Link to this

lozenj. I sound hysterical but you are the one that can’t control your emotions enough to hold down the profanity.

I see.

The people that organized the movement against the towers live on my street. I know them. They are extremely liberal. No, they don’t want those darn windmills towering over them. Of course most people understand their reasoning. Fortunately, most thinking people just might agree that windmills are very attractive, considering they are spurring on a movement of off-the-grid-housing.

Any more questions or are we done here?

By Chilao

October 16, 2007 1:57 PM | Link to this

Now why on earth would the Democrats be against such a great FreeMarket concept related to the price of oil and gas?

By Jack

October 16, 2007 1:59 PM | Link to this

He ain’t me.

By chuck

October 16, 2007 1:59 PM | Link to this

For a different perspective on the global warming issue, read this from a physics professor at Princeton:

http://www.edge.org/3rdculture/dysonf07/dysonf07index.html

By lozen

October 16, 2007 2:01 PM | Link to this

“Dims,” the way you use “liberals” as if you know exactly what each and every liberal believes (but they can’t sum you up in a few words) and all libruls are the same. Why am I wasting my breath?

By Jack

October 16, 2007 2:01 PM | Link to this

Windmill

So he is an a**hole, huh?

I guess you are right. What rights does an a**hole have, anyway? And God knows, he’s probably a Republican to boot.

Somebody get a rope!!!!

But seriously, welcome to the 21st century. Off the grid housing is the goal and yes, windmills do save money, even though not as much as they will, once the technology is better funded.

Sorry the guy didn’t come up with an idea that helped the environment that you approve.

By Chilao

October 16, 2007 2:06 PM | Link to this

Jack - we didn’t think so, it was too much verbage for you. LOL

even with the obvious cut/paste, it was still too much work. for you..

By NetBanker

October 16, 2007 2:10 PM | Link to this

Boy I missed a lot going to work out a lunch instead of blog.

Lozen…like the 11:55! I’ve achieved enlightenment far more frequently that I realized. And the next time my partner walks in to find me alone, smiling and dancing my heart out to a great tune in living room I’ll let him know that I achieving enlightment!

What is absolutely stunning about liberals is now that the democrats own Congress, they STILL blame everything on Bush. Given that each side blames the other and expects instaneous results from the other side when they can’t do that either even with control of the House, Senate, AND Executive branch what surprises you about the statement and why buy into it? The Republicans STILL blame everything on Clinton who hasn’t been in office in far longer than the Dems regained control of congress in the last round of elections. Let’s face it…politics has become a big, ol’ whiney mess!!

It wasn’t the Republicans that made the environment a political issue

By Chilao

October 16, 2007 2:11 PM | Link to this

I will love to put solar panels on my roof, and would, if it
did not cost about $50,000 or so.

Now a windmill? I really need to look into that.

By Jack

October 16, 2007 2:15 PM | Link to this

lozen

Ahh. So it isn’t the actual name, but because of the fact that you are blessed with the gift of knowing the actual thoughts of others that you read on a public forum, it is the thoughts that you are sure I am thinking while I write the posts that offends you.

I see.

And you do realize that it isn’t actually your breath that you use to communicate on a web based forum, don’t you?

You seem like a very angry, judgmental person.

By NetBanker

October 16, 2007 2:19 PM | Link to this

I don’t get the big deal about the windmill in Grant Park and especially why liberals would be fighting against alternate energy. So does this mean that in a historical neighborhood nothing non-historical can be built? Well then we’d best start ripping out the electric traffic lights because those are most certainly NOT historical nor are the electric street lights. Those will either need to be removed or converted to gas depending on what the historical research says was there when Grant Park was developed. See how stupid all that sounds?!

By Jack

October 16, 2007 2:25 PM | Link to this

Netbanker

A light of intelligence in a sea of darkness. Good for you. You got it. It is all a big mess. I work in the middle of it and I hate it.

But if there is one thing I hope this city, this state, this country learns is that both parties are just as stinking and slimy as the other. The only difference seems to be that democrats claim to be above it all while they are now the ones getting more lobbying money than they ever dreamed of getting.

Expect more control being given to the oil and insurance companies. They are the biggest pocketbooks and considering the energy bill which will approximately double the income of the oil industry and Hillary care which will make the insurance companies the most power industry in the world, the dims are rolling over quicker than the Republicans ever did.

By Jack

October 16, 2007 2:31 PM | Link to this

Chilao

Check this out: http://www.affordable-solar.com/bos.meters.htm

You can also get passive systems that will just augment your water heater.

There is also simple passive geothermal, where you just dig a ditch in your yard where air is passed through an underground pipe until it reaches your heat pump. The air will be close to 55 degrees which will cool in the summer and be easier to heat in the winter.

Don’t give up. There are many simply, cheap things you can do that Al Gore hasn’t endorsed.

By Jack

October 16, 2007 2:33 PM | Link to this

A windmill isn’t much worse than a cell tower.

By Jack

October 16, 2007 2:35 PM | Link to this

Chilio

Thanks for thinking my writing is cut and pasted. I didn’t cut and paste anything.

But a good way to prove I am lying would be to copy a phrase that you think I copied and paste it into a search engine. See what you come up with.

I don’t expect an apology for your accusation, but it would be nice.

By NetBanker

October 16, 2007 2:37 PM | Link to this

Shoot! My post got cutoff.

It wasn’t the Republicans that made the environment a political issue Ohhhh…tough call on that statement. On one hand one could argue that you’re absolutely right that they haven’t which is a darn shame given that environmental sciences are an amazing economic growth opportunity for the country that should be supported by our government especially with the ‘green’ benefits that could improve their image with the evironmental crowd. On the other hand one could say that they have made the environment a political issue by removing standing legal environmental protections, interfering with the EPA and government research into environmental impact, and the account of Christine Todd Whitman (R) of her experiences as EPA head and now they’re dealing with the fall out of their politically motivated actions.

By chuck

October 16, 2007 2:41 PM | Link to this

I thought this complete article was a good read also:

It was five years before the turn of the century and major media were warning of disastrous climate change. Page six of The New York Times was headlined with the serious concerns of “geologists.” Only the president at the time wasn’t Bill Clinton; it was Grover Cleveland. And the Times wasn’t warning about global warming – it was telling readers the looming dangers of a new ice age.

By Chilao

October 16, 2007 2:42 PM | Link to this

Thanks, Jack; yes, geothermal REALLY interests me.

By Debbils Advocate

October 16, 2007 2:43 PM | Link to this

Netbanker, the traffic lights and street lights are public safety issues. The windmill is a question of aesthetics.

By Chilao

October 16, 2007 2:46 PM | Link to this

My apologies, JACK II, it just LOOKED LIKE A Rushite post.

and my apologies to JACK I for thinking you(Jack-I) USUALLY don’t type too much, you certainly active today..LOL

By lozen

October 16, 2007 2:49 PM | Link to this

I just can’t wait until Friday!

Subject: From the Manitoba Herald, Canada Thu, 6 Sep 2007 17:37:33 +0000

The flood of American liberals sneaking across the border into Canada has intensified in the past week, sparking calls for increased patrols to stop the illegal immigration. The actions of President Bush are prompting the exodus among left-leaning citizens who fear they’ll soon be required to hunt, pray, and agree with Bill O’Reilly. Canadian border farmers say it’s not uncommon to see dozens of sociology professors, animal-rights activists and Unitarians crossing their fields at night. “I went out to milk the cows the other day, and there was a Hollywood producer huddled in the barn,” said Manitoba farmer Red Greenfield, whose acreage borders North Dakota. “The producer was cold, tired and hungry. He asked me if I could spare a latte and some free-range chicken. When I said I didn’t have any, he left. Didn’t even get a chance to show him my screenplay, eh?”

In an effort to stop the illegal aliens, Greenfield erected higher fences, but the liberals scaled them. So he tried installing speakers that blare Rush Limbaugh across the fields. “Not real effective,” he said. “The liberals still got through, and Rush annoyed the cows so much they wouldn’t give milk.” Officials are particularly concerned about smugglers who meet liberals near the Canadian border, pack them into Volvo station wagons, drive them across the border and leave them to fend for themselves. “A lot of these people are not prepared for rugged onditions,” an Ontario border patrolman said. “I found one carload without a drop of drinking water. They did have a nice little Napa Valley cabernet, though.” When liberals are caught, they’re sent back across the border, often wailing loudly that they fear retribution from conservatives. Rumors have been circulating about the Bush administration establishing re-education camps in which liberals will be forced to drink domestic beer and watch NASCAR races. In recent days, liberals have turned to sometimes-ingenious ways of crossing the border. Some have taken to posing as senior citizens on bus trips to buy cheap Canadian prescription drugs. After catching a half-dozen young vegans disguised in powdered wigs, Canadian immigration authorities began stopping buses and quizzing the supposed senior-citizen passengers on Perry Como and Rosemary Clooney hits to prove they were alive in the ’50s. “If they can’t identify the accordion player on The Lawrence Welk Show, we get suspicious about their age,” an official said. Canadian citizens have complained that the illegal immigrants are creating an organic-broccoli shortage and renting all the good Susan Sarandon movies. “I feel sorry for American liberals, but the Canadian economy just can’t support them,” an Ottawa resident said. “How many art-history majors does one country need?”

By Jack

October 16, 2007 2:53 PM | Link to this

NetBaker So you think that the Republicans should have made this a political issue instead of an economic one? Now that’s a strange perspective, especially considering what you just committed about how messed up the political system actually is.

Economics works. Politics don’t.

By Gotta Ask

October 16, 2007 2:55 PM | Link to this

Chuck, for those of us who aren’t good readers like you, would you please just tell us your point? Are you saying it’s okay to keep pumping toxins into our air and water (in the Holy name of capitalism and unregulated profit, Amen), and that’s okay with you? Maybe it’s only okay if you take a few extra minutes out of your day to tell anyone who suggests we can do a better job than what we’re doing now that they’re a stupid idiot pawn of the [we all know they’re Godless, evil, baby-munching satan worshippers] “Lefty” political machine whose ulitmate goal is to ensure you all burn in heck? Am I reading your point correctly?

By Jack

October 16, 2007 3:00 PM | Link to this

Debbils Advocate

Indoor bathrooms, cable TV, telephone lines and 220 Volt AC power to the houses in Grant Park were not safety issues. Do we rip those out? Cell towers are gone too? How about cars, buses and trucks, none of them safety issues and getting rid of them erases the need for traffic lights. Gas street lights are just as safe as electric, so in all fairness, they need to go, too.

Imagine what you are saying: It is OK to work to use less carbon based energy, as long as you can do it in a pretty way. How about if we just put pretty flowers on the windmill supports?

By Chilao

October 16, 2007 3:01 PM | Link to this

Chuck - I remember hearing in grade school, and that was not THAT LONG ago, okay, that the south would be having New England style winters before long.

Lozen - hilarious, especially the last line, I dated one for a couple of years but by the time I was dating her, she had evolved to being a StateProsecutor. It paid money at least. (but she had a Masters in art history.)

it is not Friday, I know, but I thought of this at lunch: What kind of books do you suppose will eventually be in the G.W. Bush Presidential Library? Any? Fencebuilding? BrushClearing?

By Anonymous

October 16, 2007 3:06 PM | Link to this

Scammer’s promised to post the name of “leading scientists” who disagree that global warming is occurring. Anyone care to place bets he comes up with William Gray, the pet sellout of the denial crusade (and not even a climatologist)?

By chuck

October 16, 2007 3:13 PM | Link to this

I’ll tell you “Gotta Ask”, “Debbils Advocate” etc. I’ll tell you when you go back to using your own moniker. I don’t care to talk to people who won’t admit who they are.

By Chilao

October 16, 2007 3:14 PM | Link to this

I thought most scientists agreed that global warming is indeed happening.

it is what is CAUSING it that is in dispute.

By Jack

October 16, 2007 3:24 PM | Link to this

Mara.

Physic. Some call it that.

I have noticed that when I visit a forum, particularly a forum that is dominated by liberals, many people get very upset, not about what I actually write, but instead what they think I am thinking when I write what I am writing.

It is a silly concept. I’m glad you recognized it for what it is.

By Gotta Ask

October 16, 2007 3:24 PM | Link to this

I don’t care to talk to people who won’t admit who they are.

And just who the f—k are you, exactly? The whole blog is filled with people who don’t know each other’s real names. But I can see my assessment came close, as you haven’t clarified your “point” to be anything else. “Al Gore invented global warming because he’s a godless hypocrite who wants you to go to heck since he can’t be president, and if you buy a word of it you are too stupid to be in my remedial history class!”

Yup. Thanks for the validation.

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October 16, 2007 3:25 PM | Link to this

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By Jack

October 16, 2007 3:30 PM | Link to this

Mara

I did notice that you completely avoided responding to my comments about how the democrats are now passing legislation that is putting billions in the coffers of some of our worst industries. You can’t possibly support the expansion of power of the oil companies or the insurance companies.

Do you simply agree that the dims are rolling over or does talking about it make you realize what hypocrites you have voted for?

By Mark

October 16, 2007 4:02 PM | Link to this

This “debate” reminds me a lot of how some people feel they need to “debate” the theory of evolution (that’s the scientific term of theory, not the layman’s term that Shaunti carelessly uses above). Much like the latter, I find it comical how people think they need to “collect the facts” and “decide for themselves” when it comes to global climate change and the influence people are having on it. I would wager that most of the people on this board who are in such denial of the human influence on global climate have not attempted to really read the science and understand it.

Here are some things to ponder: There is now a global scientific consensus that humans have and are changing the natural patterns of global climate. Yes, the earth has been warmer and hotter, in geological time (and yes CO2 has been much higher). The key point is that the rate of change in global temperature and CO2 addition is beyond anything science has been able to detect or hind cast.

Many of the contrary points that have been posted are simply false. No, in the 1970’s there was not a large-scale scientific consensus that the earth was entering a period of cooling. Yes, SOME scientists were discussing this in the literature, but almost all of this work is taken grossly out of context by the nay-sayers. Again, it did not match the large scientific consensus of today, and our climate models and methods are much much better now. I would guess most of you trust that medical science has moved forward and that doctors today know much more about curing disease than the doctors of the turn of the century or 1950’s, yes? The same holds true for climate science as well folks.

Do climate scientists know everything on this matter? Of course not. Are there scientists who disagree? Yes, you can find valid scientific debate on climate change (and all of science for that matter) in most of the primary scientific literature..just look at the letters published in Science and Nature for starters. However, look very closely at those who argue in the media and other sources outside of science. Look at the credentials, weather or not they are really active in the appropriate field and publishing, and importantly, where their funding is coming from. There is no global conspiracy by scientists to drag the world into economic peril, but I guarantee there are several scientists, primarily funded by the petroleum industry, that are speaking out against the consensus views. In fact, it is quite apparent that the petroleum industry has taken the same mis-information tactics once used by big tobacco companies to inject a greater sense of uncertainty than what really exists. Turn off Rush, Fox and leave the blogs behind for a while and do some real reading for yourselves.

By Jen

October 16, 2007 4:09 PM | Link to this

I still like how Billy introduced “…bring the sexual…” into our lexicon. That’s awesome.

We should all bring the sexual. Maybe we’d all get along better.

By Mara

October 16, 2007 4:09 PM | Link to this

Not-Jack - I didn’t respond because frankly…I don’t believe you have any real interest in what I have to say and I refuse to be a vehicle for you to spout your “I hate lib’ruls cuz they’re LIARS” vitriol.

Just getting ready to head out but wanted to know if y’all had seen this yet - http://rawstory.com/news/2007/ForonecompanyFISAwiretapscarry1016.html

Although the scope of surveillance conducted under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act remains shrouded in secrecy, newly disclosed documents show the costs one company charges the government to eavesdrop on customers.

Comcast, which is among the nation’s largest telecommunication companies, charges $1,000 to install a FISA wiretap and $750 for each additional month authorities want to keep an eye on suspects, according to the company’s Handbook for Law Enforcement.

illegal spying is now so ordinary that Comcast has a protocol and pricing structure for it. sigh

By Chilao

October 16, 2007 4:21 PM | Link to this

gee, Mara, here I thought you were tied up being turned on your ear and all that? LOL

Do you even vote Democratic? I know I don’t. (generally)

Now the telecoms have refused testimony to Congress investigating these matters, citing the WhiteHouse’s in the interest of national security, we cannot comment. A news item today.

By Jack

October 16, 2007 4:33 PM | Link to this

Mara

Whatever makes you feel better.

Actually, I have a great deal of interest in what you have to say. That’s why I asked. But of course, since you are the liberal, you obviously know more about me than I do.

Enjoy those gas prices.

By Jack

October 16, 2007 4:36 PM | Link to this

Mara

They can watch me all they want. Just don’t give more money and power to the oil and insurance companies.

Is that asking too much?

PS. I REALLY want to know what you think.

By Jack

October 16, 2007 4:38 PM | Link to this

Mara,

One other thing. I don’t think liberals are liars. I think liberals are big hearted suckers who fall for the democrats that are the liars.

I hope this clears things up.

By Jen

October 16, 2007 4:47 PM | Link to this

Jack you REALLY need to bring the sexual. Man, you are ALL OVER Mara. Red hot!

By Chilao

October 16, 2007 4:57 PM | Link to this

Why are people always whining about gas prices? We have had a heads-up on increased prices since 1973? Are people really THAT SLOW?

I guess if I drove some gas guzzler…….

By NetBanker

October 16, 2007 5:12 PM | Link to this

Expect more control being given to the oil and insurance companies. They are the biggest pocketbooks Let me condense this down to my personal mantra (which the regulars already know)of getting to the bottom of things…Follow the money!

the traffic lights and street lights are public safety issues.The windmill is a question of aesthetics. Maybe or maybe not! In most of Grant Park stop signs would work just fine and I’m sure we could find nice historical looking ones. Besides if we’re really going for historical then no cars or trucks since they don’t meet the litmus test.

Why are street lights a matter of public safety? Not all neighborhoods have them and I’ve lived in a few that were no less safe than ones that did have them. Come to think of it we didn’t have street lights in my town outside of the small business district.

On the matter of mere aesthetics…How do we know that uninterrupted access to electricity isn’t a matter of life or death because it’s needed to power a medical device with limited battery backup? Would the neighbors really prefer to hear a loud, fume-spewing generator?

So you think that the Republicans should have made this a political issue instead of an economic one? Not necessarily, but I do think they missed a HUGE political opportunity by not using politics to stimulate and support the alternate energy sector of the economy especially non-big oil companies. Breaking dependence on foreign oil and oil in general is good from quite a number of perspectives including terrorism, regaining our edge as scientific leaders, economic stimulation, reducing pollution. It seems to me to be a giant win-win for everyone.

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By Anonymous

October 17, 2007 8:28 AM | Link to this

The arrogance and hypocrisy he displays has me wondering… Is “Jack” this week’s name for that pathetic “Dog” guy?

By chuck

October 17, 2007 8:37 AM | Link to this

Hey, give anonymous a cookie. That’s the first thing he’s gotten right yet.

And, gotta ask, I have always posted under the same name except once when I was joking around…and I admitted that at the time. I just wonder about these people who keep trying to reinvent themselves on the blog as if they care what other people say to them here. Only the pathetic brudog does that…unless, could it be you have something in common with him?

By Billy

October 17, 2007 8:58 AM | Link to this

Hey, chuck — shouldn’t you be in favor of cutting carbon emissions? You know, because the more CO2 we emit the less Oxygen there is in the air, and it’s high concentrations of Oxygen that allowed Moses et al to live to 800 and 900 years old…?

By chuck

October 17, 2007 8:58 AM | Link to this

But, just to be magnanimous, I’ll answer this silly little question so you don’t continue with your little hissy fit.

Chuck, for those of us who aren’t good readers like you, would you please just tell us your point? Are you saying it’s okay to keep pumping toxins into our air and water (in the Holy name of capitalism and unregulated profit, Amen), and that’s okay with you?

The point is that there is no clear and present danger sufficient to make us significantly alter what we are doing now. Certainly there would be major impact on our economy if we did so. That is NOT to say that we should intentionally pollute to a degree that is more than necessary to maintain or improve our standard of living. We should do things like recycling, combining trips, not littering and so forth. I already do those things.I also plant trees and have a low maintainance lawn.

But, I don’t have time to sit around and wait on public transportation. I have no desire to walk in the rain and/or heat etc. to a bus stop to catch a bus that will only get me within a half a mile of my work. I also have no desire to see my taxes go up to build a better public transportation system. If there is a real need for that, the market will come up with a way to make it happen.

Here’s what I will do. If a cost effective technology is developed to lower my emissions and improve my gas mileage, and I can use in the cars that I own now, I will go out and buy it and have it installed. Until then, I’m just not going to worry about it.

By Billy

October 17, 2007 9:27 AM | Link to this

f there is a real need for that, the market will come up with a way to make it happen.

No, it won’t. The revered “Invisible Hand” is in reality pushing down on consumers, suffocating them. Or giving them the bird. If the government made their $15 billion Big Oil tax breaks conditional on development of alternative fuel sources then we might see some progress. People don’t invent things to fill a need. They invent things then convince consumers they need them.

By Chilao

October 17, 2007 9:44 AM | Link to this

if there is a real need for that, the market will come up with a way to make it happen.

In the same way TheMarket gave us clean air and water, after years of filth? TheMarket did all that on its own? Amazing. LOL

Interesting stat this morning on NPR: Lake Superior, the size of South Carolina, in ONE inch of water contains 500 BILLION gallons of water. And it has dropped TWO feet.(hence the story).

By Anonymous

October 17, 2007 9:53 AM | Link to this

Blind faith in the Magic of the Marketplace(TM) is touching, isn’t it? And just like any fundamentalist conviction, mere facts will never shake it.

By NetBanker

October 17, 2007 10:21 AM | Link to this

I don’t have time to sit around and wait on public transportation. I have no desire… Well isn’t that just a great example of ‘The ME Generation’ at work? I don’t have time, I have no desire…I, I, I. Change is OK, so long as I don’t have to do anything or am not more than slightly inconvenienced.

I personally know the frustration of waiting for a MARTA bus from time to time, but it wasn’t THAT often. The other thing that I’ve never been able to figure out is why in other U.S. cities and in other countries that do have significant public transport can the buses run on time? When I lived in France there was a schedule posted at each stop and 95% of the time the bus arrived at the stop within 3 minutes of the posted time. I believe, but am not 100% certain, that one measure of performance for bus drivers is being on-time and random spot checks are performed.

On a completely different note, did anyone watch Boston Legal last night? Shirley’s closing argument in the Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell case was right on point, IMO.

By NetBanker

October 17, 2007 10:25 AM | Link to this

Chilao…that must be the same Market that is wreaking ecological havoc in China during their rapid expansion. Interesting how the Chinese government is having to get involved in protecting The People and The Environment from The Market just like happened here in the U.S.

By No name please

October 17, 2007 10:32 AM | Link to this

Hey NetB! Yes, Shirley’s closing rocked!! So did the judge’s ruling. I have also noted the difference in MARTA and other cities’ rapid transit systems. MARTA needs to remove the “R” because there’s nothing rapid about it. When systems are properly implemented, they zip you around with ease! But like most of us here, I drive, because there are no rails or bus routes from my home to my office… not even close. When I bought my home, my job was close, but downsizing changed all that. Haven’t been able to get within 15 miles ever since, so like the Audioslave song says, I’m burning that gasoline!

By Chilao

October 17, 2007 10:37 AM | Link to this

NetB - and just when I was coming here to comment that the Chinese probably are really looking forward to cleaner air and water, if only they could only get just a little more of TheMarket.

but you beat me to it. LOL

By Mara

October 17, 2007 11:09 AM | Link to this

speaking of “the market” benefitting people, as I was saying yesterday about the opportunities available in “green” building -

”Using his little center in Oakland, Mr. Jones has been on a crusade to help underprivileged African-Americans and other disadvantaged communities understand why they would be the biggest beneficiaries of a greener America. It’s about jobs. The more government requires buildings to be more energy efficient, the more work there will be retrofitting buildings all across America with solar panels, insulation and other weatherizing materials. Those are manual-labor jobs that can’t be outsourced.”

“You can’t take a building you want to weatherize, put it on a ship to China and then have them do it and send it back,” said Mr. Jones. “So we are going to have to put people to work in this country — weatherizing millions of buildings, putting up solar panels, constructing wind farms. Those green-collar jobs can provide a pathway out of poverty for someone who has not gone to college.”

”To this end, Mr. Jones’s group and the electrical union in Oakland created the Oakland Apollo Alliance. This year that coalition helped to raise $250,000 from the city government to create a union-supported training program that will teach young people in Oakland how to put up solar panels and weatherize buildings.”

“If we can get these youth in on the ground floor of the solar industry now, where they can be installers today, they’ll become managers in five years and owners in 10. And then they become inventors,” said Mr. Jones. “The green economy has the power to deliver new sources of work, wealth and health to low-income people — while honoring the Earth. If you can do that, you just wiped out a whole bunch of problems. We can make what is good for poor black kids good for the polar bears and good for the country.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/17/opinion/17friedman.html?ref=opinion

By Mara

October 17, 2007 11:16 AM | Link to this

Hey Net, Chilao :^)

Like “no name please” I live outside the transit system. Housing costs drove us into the exhurbs and though we’d be willing to park-and-ride whenever we can, the transit administration here seems to be quite resistant to the idea of actually posting routes, times, and fare prices.

By NetBanker

October 17, 2007 11:22 AM | Link to this

MARTA needs to remove the “R” because there’s nothing rapid about it. LOL! I tend to agree with you there. The only rapid thing at MARTA is the rate of spending.

When I bought my home, my job was close, but downsizing changed all that. Haven’t been able to get within 15 miles ever since I feel your pain there. I was a happy MARTA train rider for years until my company was acquired and moved from Midtown to Technology Park in Norcross. There’s just no public transport within a mile or 2 of my office. Why do they continue to build office parks, but no way to get to them other than by motorized vehicle?

I hadn’t really thought about DADT from a practical perspective and the figures of a loss of 10,000 troops due to the policy during a time when we’re stretched to the limit, having serious problem recruiting, lowering entrance standards, and the fact that gays serve openly in countries considered our strong allies (Israel and the UK to name two) was a real wake up call. The last part also made me wonder what happens on joint exercises when U.S. soldiers are teamed up with gay members of another country’s military? My guess would be everyone goes about their duties without incident. As was made a point by the general in the show his sexual orientation has nothing to do with his ability or training to perform his job. IMO, someone else being uncomfortable is not reason enough to expel trained military personnel who disclose their sexual orientation.

By NetBanker

October 17, 2007 11:31 AM | Link to this

Hey Mara! I an understand your problem. Mine is rather the opposite. I live near transit, but it doesn’t go out to my employment center. Transit will definitely be a consideration with my next job. My current job has been eliminated and I’m under a contract to remain for another 8 months to implement projects I headed up during development. I’ll be focusing my attention in town and with access to transit. I already know that this will limit my opportunities, but I made that same choice years ago to not look in the Perimeter Center area or farther North due to the god-awful traffic. Spending 30-40 minutes on a train or bus is no big deal to me…in fact, I really miss that time because I was able to spend it reading or doing some work without endangering anyone on the way to/from work and at the end of the day I never arrived home cranky from road rage.

By NetBanker

October 17, 2007 11:35 AM | Link to this

And here’s an article in line with our transit discussion…

http://www.ajc.com/business/content/business/stories/2007/10/16/avondale_1017.html?cxntnid=biz101707e

By Chilao

October 17, 2007 11:39 AM | Link to this

Hi Mara,

I had both a 80mpg moped(Vespa Bravo) and a 45mpg Honda Enduro bike when I lived in SanFran, a city where you do not even need a car, or any vehicle, public transit is that good. No, I did not hang out on Folsom Street.LOL..(but did drive it the length of The Mission daily for about 1.5 years).

And if you had to go to the EastBay, there was BART.

Now I am way-outside any public transport, but the Amtrak train does run about 3 miles from my place, just no station for miles and miles and miles..LOL it clips through very quickly,(60mph plus) but I rarely see it.

By NetBanker

October 17, 2007 12:13 PM | Link to this

No, I did not hang out on Folsom Street.LOL..(but did drive it the length of The Mission daily for about 1.5 years Here I would have placed you in The Haight or SOMA. When I worked for Bank of America I was in SF regularly and always used public transportation even though the company would offer use of one of the bank’s cars. Unless I was going to Tiburon or taking the car for the weekend to visit some friends in Sonoma it was more of a PITA than anything. I recall one trip with a coworker who took advantage of the bank car and refused to heed any of my warnings that it would be a big mistake for a country/suburban gal to have a car in the city. Rather than drive with her to meet other coworkers at a restuarant near Golden Gate Park I agreed to ‘race’ her…guess who got there first and with no complaining about how hard it is to find parking?

By NetBanker

October 17, 2007 12:33 PM | Link to this

I couldn’t help laughing when I read this letter to the editor about our water problems so I felt the need to share.

“Throughout his tenure as our governor, Sonny Perdue has been accused of ignoring our inevitable water shortage problem. In his defense, I’d like to point out that it will get on his “Sonny-Do List,” as soon as all the lakes dry up, which shouldn’t take too long. After all, that’s going to have a seriously negative impact on his “Go Fish Georgia” initiative.”

By Chilao

October 17, 2007 12:45 PM | Link to this

NetB - Bernal Heights, the south side(opposite Army St./TheMission), 1.5 years, OceanView, near SFSU another 1.5 years. Hardly ever saw TheHaight but I did work near, on Geary.

SOMA when I was there was a torn-down industrial wasteland. blocks and blocks and blocks of nothing, some under the freeway. (I-280?, it ended in North Beach; mapquest just now indicates it may have come down during the 1987? quake and not rebuilt back to North Beach). It(SOMA) NOW is quite built up with new buildings. A month after we moved there, Moscone/Milk were shot. Welcome to the TwinkieDefense.

By Chilao

October 17, 2007 12:47 PM | Link to this

SOMA then was visually like something out of a MadMax:The Road Warrior movie.

By chuck

October 17, 2007 12:50 PM | Link to this

How’d you like commuting on a moped Chilao? Would you even consider doing that here? I’ve thought about buying something like a Burgman 650 which is kind of a cross between a scooter and a motor cycle. It will cruise at about 80 mph and gets about 60 mpg. I’ve been scoping them out on e-bay but can’t make up my mind if I really want one.

By Chilao

October 17, 2007 1:02 PM | Link to this

that big 7.1 Bay Area quake was in 1989, not 1987.

Chuck - I really liked the moped, worked out quite well in SanFran. Here, in the rural south, people not used to sharing the road with bikes, and I got rid of a bigger bike after almost getting creamed way too many times. I am past the point of running DeathRisks on my life. Prior days, younger days, sure…LOL

Vespa and others make real nice larger-powered scooters.

By chuck

October 17, 2007 1:15 PM | Link to this

My brother has a Yamaha Road Star 1200cc I think, but it only gets about 40mpg. I figure I can get a car that will do that. 60 plus is probably enough for me to go to a bike, but then, I don’t have to take an interstate to get to work so it might be an option for me. I think I may get my learner’s permit and try one out for awhile, maybe a rental or something, before I try to buy one.

By Jack

October 17, 2007 1:26 PM | Link to this

You should check out Craig’s List. That’s where I got my Goldwing.

By Mara

October 17, 2007 2:43 PM | Link to this

tumbleweeds

By RoadRunna

October 17, 2007 3:08 PM | Link to this

Roadrunners

By RoadRunna

October 17, 2007 3:10 PM | Link to this

or is it south-of-the-border (drug) mules?

By Mara

October 17, 2007 3:49 PM | Link to this

so good ol’ Dubya is at it again. Crony-ism and ideology trump qualifications every time.

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/17/susan-orr/

this is a woman who believes that requiring insurance companies to cover contraception is requiring them to finance a “culture of death” and that child protection is too “intrusive”. She abhores everything that the Office of Population Affairs is supposed to to do, from contraception to STD screenings. She’s a female Erik Keroake.

there’s a link on the web page if you want to sign a petition opposing this appointment.

By sali

October 18, 2007 8:13 AM | Link to this

In Iran, Putin Warns Against Military Action: http://salihome.info/show/index.html

By NetBanker

October 18, 2007 9:41 AM | Link to this

Ok…which ‘dam librul’ from the blog sent in this Vent?

“It’s amazing how wrong Republicans have been about everything these past few years, yet they still go out of their way to put everyone else down who doesn’t automatically agree with them.”

By Anonymous

October 18, 2007 10:05 AM | Link to this

Not me, but I wish I had. It really sums up the stubbornness problem, doesn’t it?

They’re wrong about absolutely everything; they’re PROVEN wrong, loudly and publicly; and yet, they insist they’re still right and that anyone who disagrees (or even questions them) is evil! It would be funny if there weren’t so much at stake.

Stephen Colbert was right: Reality has a liberal bias.

By Chilao

October 18, 2007 11:33 AM | Link to this

this from the man well on to his way to creating WWIII. But blame it on someone else:

He(Bush) looks forward to retiring to Crawford in 2009. Seems most Americans, per this last paragraph, wish he was already there.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wnreport/2007/10/18/2007-10-18bushiraqwithnuclearweaponscouldthr-1.html

By Chilao

October 18, 2007 11:40 AM | Link to this

oh well, it is at nydailynews news item: W fears World War III via Iran

By The72John

October 18, 2007 12:00 PM | Link to this

So, if there are no inhabitants of Mars, Saturn, Venus, etc. Thus no automobiles, why is it that autos are to blame on earth for global warming and not for the global warming that’s currently taking place on all other planets?

By anal

October 18, 2007 12:04 PM | Link to this

http://haanse.zs.pl >hardcore anal sex

By Chilao

October 18, 2007 12:08 PM | Link to this

One thing you do have to respect Bush for is sticking to his ideals. You just don’t find strong character like that anymore. I wish more dems had that quality.

By Jack

October 18, 2007 12:12 PM | Link to this

They’re wrong about absolutely everything; they’re PROVEN wrong, loudly and publicly; and yet, they insist they’re still right and that anyone who disagrees (or even questions them) is evil! It would be funny if there weren’t so much at stake.

The vast majority of folks posting here are liberals. In this situation, you can get away with saying such close minded nonsense, but take it to any conservative forum and they will rip your lack of fairness and logic to shreds.

Your quoting a comedy central act as a source says volumes.

By Mara

October 18, 2007 12:12 PM | Link to this

Good point John72, I guess autos aren’t to blame for global warming. And I’m with you Chilao, I wish the libs had more qualities I could look up to.

By Jack

October 18, 2007 12:17 PM | Link to this

So, if there are no inhabitants of Mars, Saturn, Venus, etc. Thus no automobiles, why is it that autos are to blame on earth for global warming and not for the global warming that’s currently taking place on all other planets?

There are no politicians on Mars. A reminder that before Mr. Gore was one of the chosen few of the democratic party, he and his wife were hard core bible pounders, railing against Hollywood and the movie and music business.

I would have loved to be a fly on the wall at the “you’re going to need to make Tipper shut up” meeting between the Clintons and Gore.

By chuck

October 18, 2007 12:17 PM | Link to this

Since it’s close to Friday I’ll go ahead and tell a joke: Bill Clinton was walking down the street the other day on his way to his impeachment trial and………….there’s really no joke here, I just wanted to say that.

By Chilao

October 18, 2007 12:18 PM | Link to this

last post of the REAL chilao was the second nydailynews post.

same ole same ole, guess who.

By Chilao

October 18, 2007 12:21 PM | Link to this

Good one chuck. How about this one: What do you call an atheist funeral? All dressed up and no place to go.

By Chilao

October 18, 2007 12:23 PM | Link to this

last post of the REAL chilao was the first joke.

By Chilao

October 18, 2007 12:26 PM | Link to this

besides I would NEVER make a respect Bush post.

NEVER!

see, the false poster was not here way way back, my 3rd or 4th post ever here….LMAO

someone still looking to sell some property, it seems..

By chuck

October 18, 2007 12:28 PM | Link to this

You’re absolutely right Jack, I went to a REAL blog and got eaten alive. That’s why I would rather blog here on the ultra tame woman-to-woman blog. That way I can sound like I know what I’m talking about and all my lib friends agree with everything I say so it makes me feel like I’m someone.

By B

October 18, 2007 12:30 PM | Link to this

Well, I’m late to the party, and with no invite (as usual). Props to the computer folks on board who were able to pick apart the Right Brain/Left Brain puzzle.

As for the question of the week, my historical understanding is that politics has always lead the way when it comes to deciding scientific “truth”, with global warming being no exception. I do find it somewhat ironic that the Democratic Party is now trying to claim to be the “Green” Party, when, historically speaking, some of the most egregious pollution in the US came during Democrat rule (WWII era). In fact, if my now-faulty memory serves me correctly, all of the modern anti-pollution laws were passed during the Nixon administration, e.g. The Clean Air and Water Act, along with the formation of the EPA. I don’t have time to research today, so if I’m wrong about this, please correct me.

By B

October 18, 2007 12:30 PM | Link to this

Well, I’m late to the party, and with no invite (as usual). Props to the computer folks on board who were able to pick apart the Right Brain/Left Brain puzzle.

As for the question of the week, my historical understanding is that politics has always lead the way when it comes to deciding scientific “truth”, with global warming being no exception. I do find it somewhat ironic that the Democratic Party is now trying to claim to be the “Green” Party, when, historically speaking, some of the most egregious pollution in the US came during Democrat rule (WWII era). In fact, if my now-faulty memory serves me correctly, all of the modern anti-pollution laws were passed during the Nixon administration, e.g. The Clean Air and Water Act, along with the formation of the EPA. I don’t have time to research today, so if I’m wrong about this, please correct me.

By lozen

October 18, 2007 12:33 PM | Link to this

I’ll jump on the Friday joke bandwagon………..Two liberals walked past a bar…It could happen!

By Jack

October 18, 2007 12:33 PM | Link to this

Jen Jack you REALLY need to bring the sexual. Man, you are ALL OVER Mara. Red hot!

Now that is one jab that any 13 year old should be proud of. Do your parents know that you are on the computer?

By lozen

October 18, 2007 12:38 PM | Link to this

Uh, chilao (or should that be “chill-out”) I think that’s the point the prophet, er I mean, poster is making. But we’re all glad you were able to figure out the obvious humour.

By B

October 18, 2007 12:40 PM | Link to this

Chilao—For being such a computer genius, you’re not a very good detective if you think I ever stole your name, even once. The likely culprit this week may be the “other” Jack, since he doesn’t seem to know the profile of the regular posters.

By Mara

October 18, 2007 12:42 PM | Link to this

You slam-dunked that one B. No truer words were spoken.

By Huh?

October 18, 2007 12:43 PM | Link to this

The Clean Air and Water Act, along with the formation of the EPA

Democratic Congress, perhaps? Forced down Nixon’s throat, maybe?

By B

October 18, 2007 12:44 PM | Link to this

I’m trying to various personalities with astrological signs. chuck—would you be kind enough to reveal your horoscope sign? I’m guessing Taurus, or another Earth sign. Am I close?

lozen—I’m wondering if you might be one of the Air signs. Would you be kind enough to reveal your sign?

By Mara

October 18, 2007 12:49 PM | Link to this

I think lozen’s sign is “Slow Men Working” with the emphasis on slow men.

By Jack

October 18, 2007 12:51 PM | Link to this

In fact, if my now-faulty memory serves me correctly, all of the modern anti-pollution laws were passed during the Nixon administration, e.g. The Clean Air and Water Act, along with the formation of the EPA. I don’t have time to research today, so if I’m wrong about this, please correct me.

You are correct. History is not a friend to the democrats. How many school kids are taught that George Wallace ran for president as a Democrat? Any person who reads the history of the civil rights movement will see that every Southern Governor that fought against integration were democrats.

After the bru-ha-ha with Strom Thurman’s birthday (Trent Lott), the democrats actually convinced the less educated among us that the Dixiecrats were not really democrats, but Republicans. And even now, I occasionally come across people who want to argue that many of the dixiecrats later became Republicans. LOL!!! But yet when I ask them who other than Strom Thurman crossed over, they have no answer.

By B

October 18, 2007 12:51 PM | Link to this

Mara—I would be shocked if the 12:42 post was really yours.

Fake poster: In the name of DOG, please stop the name stealing. I’ve got enough problems with a poor rep here on W2W…..

By B

October 18, 2007 12:55 PM | Link to this

I know the 12:49 Mara is bogus also.

Fake “Jack”, please, in the name of DOG, stop the name-stealing. Let the regular posters hate me for my real crimes, not your shenanigans.

By Jack

October 18, 2007 12:59 PM | Link to this

Chilao—For being such a computer genius, you’re not a very good detective if you think I ever stole your name, even once. The likely culprit this week may be the “other” Jack, since he doesn’t seem to know the profile of the regular posters.

Now why would I need to do that?

Paranoia strikes deep

By B

October 18, 2007 1:03 PM | Link to this

Jack #2—Please modify your moniker somewhat so folks won’t confuse you with Jack #1 who is a long-time poster here at W2W. Also, if you are the individual who is stealing names, please don’t. I like your ideas, but there is no need to p** off the regulars with the name-shenanigans.

By chuck

October 18, 2007 1:04 PM | Link to this

Since we all sound like broken records, how about everyone just copy what I’m about to write and paste it on the next week’s subject, For example: Next week’s W2W question - “Should women’s voting rights be taken away?” (or some loaded question that is so obvious it will stir everyone up). Then just paste this phrase - “It’s the fault of the right-wing-facist-bible-thumpers”. Let’s give it a try:

Week 1: Should all dogs wear collars? Standard respnse: It’s the fault of the right-wing-facist-bible-thumpers.

Week 2: Should all airplanes be painted yellow? Standard respnse: It’s the fault of the right-wing-facist-bible-thumpers.

You’re getting the hang of it, let’s try one more…

Week 3: Why is there gravity? Respnse: It’s the fault of the right-wing-facist-bible-thumpers.

Now try this at home, I think it would be fun at parties also, when you don’t have a response to any given question, such as “How do I get to Smryna” or “What aisle is the tofu on?” Just proudly exclaim “It’s the fault of the right-wing-facist-bible-thumpers.”

Best Fishes, C

By Jack

October 18, 2007 1:11 PM | Link to this

What I am is what I am are you what you are or what?

By B

October 18, 2007 1:13 PM | Link to this

chuck—I did think of you at the last Wiccan event when I scoped out the bumper stickers. One said “It’s your Hell—you live in it!” and the other said “Born OK the first time”. At least I thought they were clever.

So what’s the horoscope sign, chuck? I’m betting Taurus.

By NetBanker

October 18, 2007 1:15 PM | Link to this

The fake Jack is good. You have to give him credit. He’s got us pegged.

By B

October 18, 2007 1:18 PM | Link to this

Well, library time is up—Chat with you all later.

By The Other Jack

October 18, 2007 1:20 PM | Link to this

*By B

October 18, 2007 1:03 PM | Link to this

Jack #2—Please modify your moniker somewhat so folks won’t confuse you with Jack #1 who is a long-time poster here at W2W. Also, if you are the individual who is stealing names, please don’t. I like your ideas, but there is no need to p* off the regulars with the name-shenanigans.

No problem. I changed it to The Other Jack.

But no, I have not faked other names. That’s just not my style. In fact, I think that is the actions of a desperate, pathetic person.

By chuck

October 18, 2007 1:23 PM | Link to this

That’s funny B because I saw a bumper sticker the other day that reminded me of you, it said: “Life has many choices, eternity has two”.

By B

October 18, 2007 1:26 PM | Link to this

P.S. I did learn one important fact while reading the horoscope books last night—Be very careful not to ever p** off anyone who has a gemini sun sign and a scorpio moon sign. They have a mean streak that will come back to haunt you. Jeez!

By Anonymous

October 18, 2007 1:33 PM | Link to this

In this situation, you can get away with saying such close minded nonsense, but take it to any conservative forum and they will rip your lack of fairness and logic to shreds.

When they’re not too busy exemplifying it themselves. Have you BEEN to the Hannity forum, LGF, FreeRepublic, or any of the other hatefests? My comment was mildness itself compared to the lunatic, drooling liberal-hatred idiocy they spew.

If conservatives could think, they’d be called “Democrats.” Sound familiar?

By B

October 18, 2007 1:38 PM | Link to this

OtherJack—Thanks for the courtesy, I think it will avoid a lot of guesswork by the regulars if you use “OtherJack” instead of “Jack”. Glad to know you’re not the name-stealer. I got hung with that reputation based on stealing chuck’s name last year in a failed attempt at being humorous.

chuck—Eternity only has one choice—Physics. In the Bible, it says we go to Sheol—the grave—the same place that Sceience tells us we go. The only “afterlife” scheme that makes any sense to me is reincarnation, since our atoms do literally reincarnate into other life forms after we leave the vessel which houses our souls and spirits.

Does “reincarnation” make any sense to anyone else?

By The Other Jack

October 18, 2007 1:44 PM | Link to this

We do have to give the fake-poster credit. Those are some thought provoking ideas he has. Isn’t the moniker “The Other Jack” original? I got it from Spinal tap, they were The Originals until they found out there was a band on the east side with the same name so they changed their name to The New Originals…………….(you’ll get that one at about 2am and you’ll laugh).

Did you ever read other peoples horrorscopes? They’re all the same inane drivel:

“Put the emphasis on money”…..well, duh! “You have friends”…..well, duh! “You will meet someone new”…well, duh!

Not hardly worth planning your life around……..

By lozen

October 18, 2007 1:53 PM | Link to this

This is the fake poster signing off for today (or am I).

Ridiculing you mental midgets is like fake-throwing a tennis ball to a dog. It’s fun for about 2 minutes then you realize you’re faking out a dog.

“Come back Shane…….Shane come back……………………”

By B

October 18, 2007 1:53 PM | Link to this

The Other Jack—I like your taste in movies! My very favorite part of Spinal Tap is the segment in which the guitar player proudly explains that their amps go to “11”, while other bands’ amps can only muster a “10”. Hilarious!

Welcome to W2W, Other Jack! There are some cool people here, I love them all.

By The Other Jack

October 18, 2007 1:54 PM | Link to this

When they’re not too busy exemplifying it themselves. Have you BEEN to the Hannity forum, LGF, FreeRepublic, or any of the other hatefests? My comment was mildness itself compared to the lunatic, drooling liberal-hatred idiocy they spew.

Try Delphi’s Conservative Haven. They are good folks.

Never been to any of the forums you listed. I like going to liberal forums. Of course most liberal forums do not allow conservatives to participate. Seems liberalism makes a lot more sense if there is never any debate.

But that is the liberal way. During the RNC convention in New York back in 04, the number one chant by the protesters wasn’t anything about the war, it was FOX News S**ks. Seems that any sort of view other than liberalism is regarded as highly dangerous.

But to be fair, demonstrators at the DNC convention probably wanted to make a similar chant but it is so hard to say: CBS, NBC, ABC, PBS, CNN and CNBC s**ks.

By Billy

October 18, 2007 1:57 PM | Link to this

For the love of the gods, we all know that the Democratic party of yesteryear is not the party of today. We know that it was the Democrats who were pro-slavery, and then anti-integration, etc, etc.

A Republican started the National Parks System, but now Republicans are completely willing to sacrifice the environment on the altar of business. Parties change.

You want to really assess things, then forget about the party names and focus on values. All the advancements we’ve made, all the freedoms since the founding of our nation, all our rights, were brought by progressives. You can’t look at it as Dems vs. Reps, but as progressives vs. reactionaries or liberalism vs. conservatism.

The only reason the South was a Democratic stronghold for so long is that so many couldn’t separate the past labels from the present labels. Many an Old Southerner voted Democratic not because of agreement with the party platform but because of burning hatred of Lincoln, Grant, and Reconstruction. About 11 years ago my local paper printed a letter to the editor in which the author stated that, were he given the chance, he would have stuck his finger in Lincoln’s gunshot wound and poked his brain to make his leg twitch. That’s the sort of animosity that kept the South voting Democratic until recently. The Republican shift is not one of ideologies on the part of the voters. The ideology is still the same, it’s just that the Old South racists have all but died out. Their children share the same views but are smart enough to vote for the party that shares them as well.

So, yeah, the Republican Party did some good things. But both parties have been set in their platforms, for the most part, for the past 30 years. I read a quote attributed to Robert Duvall in which he said he votes Republican because all the policies enacted and crimes committed against Blacks during Jim Crow had Democrats to blame. That may be, but all the institutionalized discrimination and disenfranchisement of Blacks since Carter has been at the hands of Republicans.

So, please, quit the BS about how Republicans did this, that, or the other. Those people were progressives. Today’s Republicans have little in common with them.

By The Other Jack

October 18, 2007 2:02 PM | Link to this

By B October 18, 2007 1:38 PM | Link to this OtherJack—Thanks for the courtesy, I think it will avoid a lot of guesswork by the regulars if you use “OtherJack” instead of “Jack”. Glad to know you’re not the name-stealer. I got hung with that reputation based on stealing chuck’s name last year in a failed attempt at being humorous.

Apparently, the poor pathetic creep didn’t like my description of him and he is now faking my name. LOL!! I didn’t post the 11:44 post. This kind of stuff happens on the internet. People who have no power in their own life do this sort of thing. There is no doubt that this the best he has felt about himself this week, probably his entire life.

Poor Pathetic soul.

By Mara

October 18, 2007 2:13 PM | Link to this

Wow, I’ve sure been running my mouth, haven’t I?! Been quite the b***, too. LOL!

Glad y’all can tell the difference.

By The Other Jack

October 18, 2007 2:32 PM | Link to this

I get this argument a lot. I know it makes sense to you, but think about what you are saying:

When people were making good choices, they were thinking along the same lines as the present day progressives. When people were making bad choices, they were thinking along the same lines as today’s conservatives. That doesn’t work. There is not a democrat that is alive today that does not idolize JFK. But, if you see the tally of electoral college votes from 1960, it was these very same racist southerners that put him in office. Again: Racist Southerners put JFK in office.

It is easy for you to say that all the “institutionalized discrimination and disenfranchisement of Blacks since Carter has been at the hands of Republicans” but when you look at the facts, that does not ring true.

Presently, the most powerful woman in the world is the Black woman who is third in line for the presidency, appointed by the present Republican President. If you listen to the anti-Republican propaganda, she is a slave to the Republicans but looking close at the last time a Democrat had the position to appoint Blacks to real meaningful positions in our Federal government, only Ron Brown was appointed and he mysteriously died in a plane crash and was immediately replaced by a white guy.

The only Blacks serving in Clinton’s White House were serving afternoon tea. Republicans don’t pander. They are horrible politicians. A program like affirmative Action would never fly with Republicans because they truly believe that there is no difference between the average white person and the average black person. Affirmative action speaks of Jim Crow better than any KKK member possibly could.

Robert Byrd, the conscience of the Democratic Party (as he is called) participated in the democratic attempt to block the voting rights act of 1964. Robert Byrd is still a very loud voice in Congress. In fact, he was involved in a conflict about him freely using the “N” word in an interview. That wasn’t 1962, that was just a few years ago.

Go to the Islamiphobia site on Delphi where you will hear more antisemitic garbage than you will ever hear on a KKK site, but when you start looking at the posts, you will realize that it is liberals that are using the most vitriol against Israel.

Ignoring the past is bad enough, but ignoring the present is unforgivable.

By Billy

October 18, 2007 2:56 PM | Link to this

There is not a democrat that is alive today that does not idolize JFK.

I don’t. But then again, I’m not a Democrat. I’m a progressive.

But, if you see the tally of electoral college votes from 1960, it was these very same racist southerners that put him in office. Again: Racist Southerners put JFK in office.

How does that in any way not support my assertion? I wrote: “The only reason the South was a Democratic stronghold for so long is that so many couldn’t separate the past labels from the present labels. Many an Old Southerner voted Democratic not because of agreement with the party platform but because of burning hatred of Lincoln, Grant, and Reconstruction.”

I will concede to you on Republicans’ racism today. Condoleeza is Black, ergo Republicans do everything they can for Blacks. Brilliant.

Oh, and nice little “Clinton murder conspiracy” implication with Ron Brown’s “mysterious death”.

By TooFunny

October 18, 2007 3:06 PM | Link to this

Ron Brown was going to spill the beans on seeing some young girl on her knees in the Oval Office AND tell the world what he saw Hillary doing with that mannish-looking woman, so he had to go.

Man, you gotta think like a reactionary Clinton-Hater.

By The Other Jack

October 18, 2007 3:22 PM | Link to this

How does that in any way not support my assertion? I wrote: “The only reason the South was a Democratic stronghold for so long is that so many couldn’t separate the past labels from the present labels. Many an Old Southerner voted Democratic not because of agreement with the party platform but because of burning hatred of Lincoln, Grant, and Reconstruction.”

I was trying to ignore an implication that the only reason why Southern Democrats voted for Democrats is because of a president that had been dead for over 100 years. I simply had more respect for you than to point out such a ridicules idea.

But of course, it wasn’t just the South. The longest and bloodiest race riots in our country were the South Boston Bus riots that lasted from 1967 until 1983. There has never been a Republican elected to anything in South Boston. Kerrys and Kennedys rule Boston. The fairly recent problems in New York are in very democratic areas. South Chicago. South LA, all democratically controlled districts.

I will concede to you on Republicans’ racism today. Condoleeza is Black, ergo Republicans do everything they can for Blacks. Brilliant.

Well thanks, but obviously you don’t have the gray matter to understand my point. Republicans have no problem with Blacks in enormously high places. Clarence Thomas went through what has been described by many Black leaders as a modern lynching. Dr. Rice replaced another Black person, a man a CNN poll discovered was the most admired Republican by Republicans. My point was that Democrats allow Blacks to rule in their small backyard as long as they continue to deliver the votes. Republicans just don’t think like that.

Oh, and nice little “Clinton murder conspiracy” implication with Ron Brown’s “mysterious death”.

So this and a couple of lame attempts at an insult are the only arguments you could come up with against my entire post.

Your initial pathetic point that “only people who think like you think have made the correct decisions down through history” should have been a red flag.

I would suggest that you read as many books about the effects of propaganda on a feeble mind, but you wouldn’t really want to do that.

By The Other Jack

October 18, 2007 3:34 PM | Link to this

Ron Brown was going to spill the beans on seeing some young girl on her knees in the Oval Office AND tell the world what he saw Hillary doing with that mannish-looking woman, so he had to go.

Wow.

I seem to have hit a nerve.

Here’s a scoop: Most Republicans have little problem with what Bill did with Monica. That served the same purpose as finding Al Capone guilty of Tax evasion. Bringing down a slick willy sometimes requires that sort of thing.

Personally, I was amazed at how horny a man would have to be to allow “that woman” to get anywhere near him. JFK? That’s a different story. Now that’s a democrat that knew how to cheat on his wife.

But most Republicans don’t like Clinton because of the way he left the economy in shambles, our military in shambles and our CIA in shambles. They didn’t like the fact that Charlie Tree, a person who later fled back to China, access top secret documents. They hated that fact that Clinton allowed the top contributer to the DNC sell secret missile technology to the Chicoms which oddly enough made it’s way to China’s ally, North Korea, who for some reason started firing missiles that landed in the Sea of Japan and later landed far out in the Pacific. Now they can hit any city in the US. Gosh, thanks uncle Billy.

By TooFunny

October 18, 2007 3:42 PM | Link to this

But most Republicans don’t like Clinton because of the way he left the economy in shambles

is that why there was a BIG surplus, now depleted, in the Federal Treasury when Bush came in? Did you get your $300 check? I know I did. I was supposed to put it back into the economy, but I banked it. Didn’t need it.

And the military was obviously not in such shambles that a two-front war could not be started.

those revisionists…way too funny.

By Mara

October 18, 2007 4:01 PM | Link to this

But most Republicans don’t like Clinton because of the way he left the economy in shambles, our military in shambles and our CIA in shambles

yeah, I really hated all that peace and prosperity too. And with the Cold War won, how could he not have believed that we NEEDED the CIA strong to perform those little black ops like bolstering up the contra’s in S.A. And lord knows that with us being the last superpower standing we’d HAVE to maintain the largest, most wasteful military on the planet. DAMN that Clinton!

ROTFLMAO!!! Later taters…

By The Other Jack

October 18, 2007 4:06 PM | Link to this

By TooFunny

Just for fun, read this CNN article about the US economy trying to avoid a recession. You might want to check out the date. It was written 5 days after Bush took office.

http://money.cnn.com/2001/01/25/worldbiz/davos_econ/

After you read that, I can give you about 300 more articles you will want to read.

those revisionists…way too funny.

By The Other Jack

October 18, 2007 4:11 PM | Link to this

MARA

Do you have any idea what the Contras were actually doing in SA?

His decimation of military bases all over the country destroyed many, many communities that had relied on those bases for decades, but it didn’t affect you, so LET EM BURN!!!!

You might want to read the CNN article I sent to Too Funny, but considering how you do like to skirt issues, maybe you shouldn’t.

By NetBanker

October 18, 2007 4:19 PM | Link to this

Just proudly exclaim “It’s the fault of the right-wing-facist-bible-thumpers.” And don’t forget to twitch while you’re saying it…kind of like Tourette’s.

By JokesOn

October 18, 2007 4:25 PM | Link to this

A quote from your link: The US economy will narrowly avoid a recession…

I guess they too thought bush would not be as much of an idiot as he turned out to be. We all knew he was a dope, but misjudged the degree of idiocy he could apply to the executive branch.

Lets not forget which administration deliberately changed key words in the report on global warming, or the Plame incident, or the WMDs, or the connection of 9-11 and Iraq as well as its denial of stating so although it has been taped, or the alienation of all other countries….

Idiot.

By Too Funny

October 18, 2007 4:37 PM | Link to this

Do you have any idea what the Contras were actually doing in SA

They were the former landed gentry/power-elites, supporters/suppressors of the common people for years, that did not like an election where they could not control and kill all who disagreed/challenged them? Close?

So streamlining/downsizing the military, to make it more efficient, a common business practice, by the way, should not be done if it means people can no longer depend on the government for a job? Is that what you are saying? How then would that apply to businesses that consolidate plants? They should have 10 plants when they only need three? You wish to have the government then mandate that they keep all ten plants open?

It is impossible for me to follow this logic.

I also read plenty of articles that indicated Bush was talking UP a recession as soon as he came in, so he could have a windmill to fight. I am not going to look for them though. If you talk badly enough about something enough times, people react, perpetuating things. DUH!

By TooFunny

October 18, 2007 4:40 PM | Link to this

Like we really needed a Naval Air Station in MEMPHIS?

I nearly crapped when I first saw it. I sincerely HOPE it was closed in the 1990s.

By TooFunny

October 18, 2007 4:45 PM | Link to this

NAS-Memphis is now NAVSUPPACT Mid-South, a consolidation and revamping of duties, from NAS-Memphis. Sounds like a more efficient use of military resources, but what do I know….

By TooFunny

October 18, 2007 4:56 PM | Link to this

I thought most of the Contras were mostly made up of Somoza’s Thugs, former government CivilGuard(SecretPolice) types…but what do I know….

By TooFunny

October 18, 2007 5:01 PM | Link to this

supporters/suppressors

scratch that “supporters” as I meant something different. miskey. ‘cause the ruling elites were not supporters of the common people. executioners would be more accurate.

By The Other Jack

October 18, 2007 5:02 PM | Link to this

*guess they too thought bush would not be as much of an idiot as he turned out to be. We all knew he was a dope, but misjudged the degree of idiocy he could apply to the executive branch.”

No big surprise, but you guessed wrong. I’m just not qualified to teach you economics, but if you read that article and think the economic downturn in the fall of 2000 was caused by Bush, that’s just too big of a mountain for me to climb.

“Lets not forget which administration deliberately changed key words in the report on global warming,”

Which report was that?

or the Plame incident,

Oh yea, the case that was ruled to have absolutely no legal merit, but a Republican was blamed for committing perjury, the same crime that every liberal in the country thought uncle billy should be excused of. Speaking of this sort of thing, Did Sandy Berger ever return all those Clinton Documents he stole from the National Archives?

“or the WMDs,”

The WMD’s that every democrat from Hillary Clinton to John Kerry to Teddy Kennedy to Bill Clinton also claimed were there. Want to see the quotes?

or the connection of 9-11 and Iraq

Do you know anyone who thinks Iraq launched 9-11?

or the alienation of all other countries….

Sort of like what the house dims are doing right now with Turkey, the only Muslim country in the world that is an active ally. After all, I think it is very important that we point out to the world that at the same time our country was finishing up three hundred years of slaughtering our native Americans, a now dead political force in Turkey was killing their fellow countrymen. Of course not nearly as many as we had slaughtered, but certainly enough to ruin our relations over. Don’t you think that is a great move by the almost Godly democrats.

By Billy

October 19, 2007 12:29 AM | Link to this

I was trying to ignore an implication that the only reason why Southern Democrats voted for Democrats is because of a president that had been dead for over 100 years. I simply had more respect for you than to point out such a ridicules idea.

You are being ridiculous if you think that never played a part. And I mentioned those things to show the extreme. Plenty of Southern Dems had more recent resentments. Like from the Civil Rights era. But as LBJ said at the time, the national party’s influence in the South was decimated with the signing of the CRA. Go look at Presidential election results by state and you’ll see that the only times Democratic candidates won the South since the CRA were when said candidates were Southerners themselves. And the claim that racist Southerners were who put Kennedy in office is also not entirely true.

Republicans have no problem with Blacks in enormously high places.

You’re right. They don’t. It’s the ones who aren’t in high places they have a problem with. And it’s not just Blacks, but pretty much anyone who does not fit their definition of an American.

Republicans love it when a Condoleeza Rice or Colin Powell or Clarence Thomas comes around because they can trot him/her out as evidence of their supposed “Big Tent”. In reality, the color that matters most to them is green. Yes, I know it’s the same with Dems, but there’s a reason Blacks vote overwhelmingly Democratic. Or do you think they’re just stupid and voting against their own interests?

So this and a couple of lame attempts at an insult are the only arguments you could come up with against my entire post.

What? Kindly show me where I attempted to insult you? Apart from referring to the whole “Old Republicans better than old Democrats, so Republicans now better than Democrats now” BS, I don’t see anything that could be remotely construed as an attempted insult. And the BS comment itself wasn’t an insult. Maybe my sarcastic use of “brilliant”, but that’s also a bit of a stretch. Insults would be along these lines:

— “…obviously you don’t have the gray matter” — “I would suggest that you read as many books about the effects of propaganda on a feeble mind, but you wouldn’t really want to do that.” — multiple uses of the word “pathetic”

Frankly, your repeated insults lead me to believe you may be this guy.

I certainly hope not; that guy’s suffered enough. Almost.

By Sam Haldi

October 19, 2007 8:13 AM | Link to this

Yikes! So this is what the looney left looks and thinks like….scary place indeed.

By The Other Jack

October 19, 2007 8:21 AM | Link to this

Come on Jack, you can be more creative than that. “This is the best he’s felt all week”. Next time concentrate and come up with something with a little character and bite. Your attempt at a jab fell short, I don’t think a 4 year old would have even been offended at that one.

By lozer

October 19, 2007 8:24 AM | Link to this

Yes B, Tap is a great movie. How about the part where they can’t find their way to the stage and they end up wandering around a basement. Classic.

By John D

October 19, 2007 8:34 AM | Link to this

Well those with snide remarks only shows that there was toes stepped on, Chilao, any woman who would let herself be used outside of marriage by her boyfriend etc… and then claim that some women mught like good sex and are not interested in marriage is a wamoen who has low selfesteem when this guy will laugh all the way to the bank behind a women back who believed such a thing.

But besides all this your blanket comment of 50% end up in divorce any ways is incorrect, who have to break down each segment of who and what they are calling not giving it up as you put it, where it isnt nesscessary for the % in which i gave because it is cut and dried, statistics arent that simple. Its all about the way its worded.

Now global warming as I said lacks evidence and as the leftists who wrote in rebuttal of Shaunti, Andrea fails like all leftists to tell the whole story. The 2,500 scientist who signed a paper claiming global warming is a rebutl to the -17,000- scientists who signed a paper saying there was no real evidence. The 2,500 rebutal was a mockery to the global warming movement. Also did you know that one of the main if not the main figures of the foundeing of green peace now tells the lies of the movement and how it is politicaly driven. did you know Norma Mc Covey who who was the divorce advocate in ROE vs.WADE is now Pro Life, did you know that the founder of NARAL is now Pro life, did you know that the founder of Planned parent hood margaret Sanger was a Racist, Did you knwo here are thousands of scientists who some of which use to be evolutionists are now creationists cause the evidence for evolution doesnt exist. This is what I was getting at. Hollywood and politicians and there phony little movements with sexual antics outside of marriage which often leave women to defend for themselves, and the overall attack agains the family is sickening. Global warming is just another communistic approach of supression. One more thing, who said you are a raving loonie because you though that Hollywood movies were mostly inacurate, cause thats realy quite silly. But what is funny is that anyone who thinks they are gonna get legite insight from the majority of movies out there, is an individual who is flat out kidding themselves. ~ Peace!!!!

By Hara

October 19, 2007 8:37 AM | Link to this

Please weigh-in: What types of cars do y’all drive? Unless it’s 100% electric then you shouldn’t be posting at all in this forum. Also it doesn’t count if your brother-in-law drives a fuel efficient motorcycle or you were daydreaming about getting on.

Emissions are emissions are emissions are emissions…

By HeeHaw

October 19, 2007 8:56 AM | Link to this

Emissions are emissions are emissions are emissions

Electric batteries don’t emit emissions? News to me, do you have a backing-up link?

By LaughoftheWeek

October 19, 2007 9:04 AM | Link to this

Global warming is just another communistic approach of supression.*

Thanks, JohnD, for the Laugh Of The Week.

By JokesOn

October 19, 2007 9:27 AM | Link to this

Which report?!? I thought you were the all knowing???

A report in Wednesday’s New York Times alleges a Bush administration science policy official altered government reports on climate change to “soften” words and phrases linking greenhouse gases, such as carbon dioxide emissions from power plants, to global warming. The official, Philip A. Cooney, was once a lobbyist for the American Petroleum Institute and has no scientific training. Madeleine Brand speaks with the author of the report, New York Times reporter Andrew Revkin.

Efforts by the Bush administration to highlight uncertainties in science pointing to human-caused climate change have put the United States at odds with other nations and with scientific groups at home.

Oh yea, the case that was ruled to have absolutely no legal merit, but a Republican was blamed for committing perjury

Which people leaked the info is proven, but of course the bush administration used its pull to have scooter be the fall guy:

At least four Bush administration officials discussed Plame’s identity with reporters — Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage, White House Press Secretary Ari Fleischer, Rove and Libby — but have said little about it publicly.

WMDs; Want to see the quotes?

If you want to blame the people that were lied to for believing the lie you are as stupid as you seem. The fact that you have no issue with bush et al lying (they were the only ones privy to the full reports including ones that showed that WMDs were highly unlikely) means you follow your ilk blindly; where as I do not. See Turkish issue for example.

Sort of like what the house dims are doing right now with Turkey

See. This is where conservatives and liberals differ. I can agree totally that they are acting like idiots doing this and agree with you that it is bs on a number of levels. You follow your leaders like evangelicals follow dogma yet assert that we liberals do the same which is not only wrong, but exhibits a mindset that is incapable of understanding that all people do not think like you.

By Chilao

October 19, 2007 10:15 AM | Link to this

I’ll go on record as saying/thinking that that Turkish/Armenian House Resolution is probably the most assinine thing I have EVER seen out of Congress.

But since it is JokeFriday, and we have lightly talked bikes this week:

Inventor of the Harley-Davidson Motorcycle, Arthur Davidson, died and went to heaven.

At the gates, St. Peter told Arthur. “Since you’ve been such a good man and your motorcycles have changed the world, your reward is, you can hang out with anyone you want to in heaven.”

Arthur thought about it for a minute and then said, “I want to hang out with God.”

St. Peter took Arthur to the Throne Room, and introduced him to God.

God recognized Arthur and commented, “Okay, so you were the one who invented the Harley-Davidson motorcycle?”

Arthur said, “Yeah, that’s me….”

God commented: “Well, what’s the big deal in inventing something that’s pretty unstable, makes noise and pollution and can’t run without a road?”

Arthur was apparently embarrassed, but finally spoke, “Excuse me, but aren’t you the inventor of woman?”

God said, ” Ah, yes.”

“Well ,” said Arthur, “professional to professional, you have some major design flaws in your invention:

“Hmmmmm, you may have some good points there,” replied God, “hold on.”

God went to his Celestial supercomputer, typed in a few words and waited for the results. The computer printed out a slip of paper and God read it.

“Well, it may be true that my invention is flawed,” God said to Arthur, “but according to these numbers, more men are riding my invention than yours.”

By Billy

October 19, 2007 10:19 AM | Link to this

I’m going to keep my fingers crossed that if Turkey won’t allow us to route supplies through the country then the administration will be forced to pull out of Iraq. Fat chance.

By GOB

October 19, 2007 10:23 AM | Link to this

John D. - There is no need to address your craziness, but for the love of all things holy, proofread…

By Chilao

October 19, 2007 10:27 AM | Link to this

If you watch WEEDS, maybe TheArmenians showed up at the Democrats’ doors. LOL

By Archie

October 19, 2007 10:37 AM | Link to this

I agree wholeheartedly with JokesOn’s 9:27 am post. I can’t add to much to the discussion because of work but I like that post.

By Billy

October 19, 2007 10:46 AM | Link to this

Maybe the Turks wouldn’t react as badly if we also passed a resolution acknowledging the ethnic cleansing of Palestine to make room for Israel…

Here’s my contribution to joke Friday:

Such a resolution would stand a chance of passing.

By lozen

October 19, 2007 10:49 AM | Link to this

Too much stupidity on here for me… TGIF. The posts using my name yesterday were not written by me. Dog is off his meds and out of control fer shur!

By Chilao

October 19, 2007 11:05 AM | Link to this

I think we probably figured that out, Lozen, that it was not you, but just think, you could actually go to one of those conservative web sites and read it all the time…LOL Dunno about you, but I am going to pass.
(referencing your) Too much stupidity on here for me

But did you note the timing of those bogus posts and arrivals of some?

Billy - I was hearing a piece on NPR a few mornings ago, apparently the Israeli political system is about to implode, since all the WestBank settlements were a result of major corruption and were illegal under even Israeli law. It was kind of wink wink and here’s some money to help out. Roosters coming home to roost. or so the news piece said. I’ll believe it when it happens.

By Chilao

October 19, 2007 11:09 AM | Link to this

No more complaining about your job, okay? Do you want to be a bull semen collector?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21311410/

By Billy

October 19, 2007 11:17 AM | Link to this

Do you want to be a bull semen collector?

You mean I could be getting paid?

By NetBanker

October 19, 2007 11:29 AM | Link to this

So streamlining/downsizing the military, to make it more efficient, a common business practice, by the way, should not be done if it means people can no longer depend on the government for a job? This is a real sore point for me! A government job should NEVER mean job security any more than one has job security in a private sector job. The reality is the opposite however in that it is soooo extremely difficult to fire a government employee. This is what leads to the no-service, not caring, power-trip attitude of far too many government employees that the public must deal with. I’m also disappointed with our elected officials (especially the Republicans) for not seriously addressing government waste. I willingly admit that I hold the Republicans to a higher standard than Dems if only because Republicans have historically been the party that touts the private sector’s efficiencies as a reason to outsource. Why can’t that same model be imposed on the government? Why shouldn’t job performance at many public sector jobs include performance measures that affect one’s rating, continued employment, and salary increases? If what’s good for the goose is good for the gander, why isn’t the government gander following the goose’s lead? Let me also, preemptively state, that I understand that certain government jobs do need special protections due to their sensitive nature.

Sort of like what the house dims are doing right now with Turkey OIY! What a freakin’ bonehead move!! What happened to the Armenians was awful, but how strategic are they and what exactly is Congress doing spending time on resolutions that have no practical application in solving the problems of TODAY. My message to Congress is “FOCUS PEOPLE!”

By GOB

October 19, 2007 11:32 AM | Link to this

Do you want to be a bull semen collector?

Anybody see the Dirty Jobs episode where he collected horse semen? That was one of the worst things I have ever seen on TV…and he wasnt even wearing gloves.

By Billy

October 19, 2007 12:17 PM | Link to this

GOB, I’m not sure there’d be much point in wearing gloves because even if I were wearing them: A) I’d insist the horse be washed thoroughly there for a good 5-10 minutes beforehand (no pun intended)

and B) I’d scrub my own hands until they bled afterward…

By B

October 19, 2007 12:31 PM | Link to this

lozen—Believe it or not, I’m not the name-stealer on W2W. Apparently there are individuals in this big, big world who are even more pathetic than the DogMeister.

BTW, would you be kind enough to reveal your horoscope sign? chuck keeps avoiding the question because he doesn’t want to admit that he’s a DOG-matic Taurus.

By B

October 19, 2007 12:45 PM | Link to this

My buddy scared me this AM with a prediction that Hillary might actually win the Presidency. I truly believe that, like most liberals, Hillary’s heart is in the right place in wishing for a better, more equitable country. Unfortunately, I also believe that, like most liberals, she truly doesn’t understand the economic ramifications if her (socialistic)plans are actually enacted. In addition to her disastrous plan to nationalize health care, she also plans to dramatically change our current tax structure by reclassifying capital gains tax (currently 15%) as ordinary income (35% max currently). Thus, if it appears she is going to win, this will likely trigger a massive sell-off of stocks and properties prior to her taking office with obvious disastrous consequences to the economy.

By B

October 19, 2007 12:53 PM | Link to this

Gotta run, but here’s some quick movie reviews:

Wild Hogs—minus 5 stars

Reno 911, Miami—one star

A Night With the King—three stars

I really wanted to see Casino Royale, but my DVD player refused to load it. Too bad, since the plot involved Texas Holdem Poker.

After being disappointed with the new offerings, I whipped out a copy of White Nights with Mikhail Baryshnikov and Gregory Hines for my girlfriend. Now THAT was a good one—plus the dancing is guaranteed to get your lady “in the mood”. Is it just me, or does it seem like the movies were better in the 70s and 80s?

By B

October 19, 2007 12:58 PM | Link to this

I just heard that Chavez in Venezuela , along with the Presidents of Bolivia and Nicaragua, are now endorsing Hillary to win the US Presidency. Makes a lot of sense to me….

By NetBanker

October 19, 2007 1:10 PM | Link to this

One other question about the Turkey situation…why would they be so upset about the Armenian resolution? Turkey didn’t exist and it was the Ottoman Empire who attempted to obliterate the Armenians. That government is gone and no longer exists.

I sincerely do not understand the point of condemnations or apologies for atrocities that occured in the distant past by people who are no longer in power and are dead. What is the point? What healing occurs or how sincere can an apology be that is basically along the line of “I apologize for my great-great grandfather [insert action] to your great-great grandfather.”

By Inquiring Mind

October 19, 2007 1:36 PM | Link to this

B,

In the year 2000, did you accurately predict what was about to happen to our stocks, mutual funds, 401Ks and the national budget surplus/deficit/national debt in the following years? Would like to know your track record on this before I become paralyzed with fear and wet my pants.

By Anonymous

October 19, 2007 1:41 PM | Link to this

Thanks, B, for once again proving that arrogance and the Dog handle go hand-in-hand. The only problem with liberals is they’re not as smart as you…. suuure, that, must be it!

Kinda pathetic, guy.

By JokesOn

October 19, 2007 2:03 PM | Link to this

lozen—Believe it or not, I’m not the name-stealer on W2W. Apparently there are individuals in this big, big world who are even more pathetic than the DogMeister

I doubt DOG even knows who The72John is in order to steal his mane. Which makes me think it IS either The72John, and he forgot to change the auto fill-in, or norman…

NetB,

One other question about the Turkey situation…why would they be so upset about the Armenian resolution?

Probably the increase in hostil actions that it could bring about by the current Armenians. They focus on Turyey’s current administration and any increase aggression would also be focused on it; not some peacefull policy movement.

By Facts

October 19, 2007 2:13 PM | Link to this

JokesOn -

Dog KNOWS the 72John name.

By B

October 19, 2007 2:17 PM | Link to this

Inquiring Mind—My track record is pretty good with noticing and predicting financial trends, particularly in relation to my own investments. My stock portfolio was very light in tech stocks in 2000, so I didn’t lose too much. In fact, I bought a few tech stocks on the rebound in 2002 and onward which I did well with, most noticeably CORV—the Corvis corporation.

Do your own research, but the signs I keep seeing suggest it’s best to consolidate your investments right now, sell off the excess real estate, and lay low until after the election.

By Rastaman

October 19, 2007 2:21 PM | Link to this

kill all turkeys and serve them for thanksgiving dinner mon.

By B

October 19, 2007 2:22 PM | Link to this

Also, Inquiring Mind, I did make a number of specific stock suggestions here on W2W sometime around February, 2007. I publicly tracked the results for a few weeks, and each of them went through the roof. Personally, I made a fortune on Dreams, Inc, DRMN, as could anyone here who took the time to research the opportunity.

Right now, my advice is to sell, sell, sell, unless you have some insider trader info on a specific stock.

By B

October 19, 2007 2:27 PM | Link to this

Facts—I also thought it was odd that 72John’s name appeared amidst the fake posts yesterday. I don’t agree with JokesOn’s theory that John was the fake poster, however, due to the people he selected to attack.

Same for me, also— I would never fake lozen’s name—I love her too much! Plus, she does too good of a job making a fool of herself on her own. Big, wet doggy smooch to you, lozen.

By Huh?

October 19, 2007 2:31 PM | Link to this

Those slimey Stock-Market-W******* gonna screw America AGAIN?

By B

October 19, 2007 2:47 PM | Link to this

Huh—IMO, one of the great untold stories of American wealth creation is how crooked the stock market really is. Investors at the level of Warren Buffet can manipulate the market at will by buying huge blocks of stocks, which typically sets of a buying frenzy. Then they cooly sit back and dump their shares bit-by-bit as the price skyrockets. The companies which the stock represents don’t even have to exist, it’s all investor-driven.

Back when I was in business, I got a lot of insider info from my clients, but I’m out of the loop now and have sold almost all my stocks off in preparation for the coming recession.

By NetBanker

October 19, 2007 2:49 PM | Link to this

The below from today’s Charles Krauthammer’s editorial (http://www.ajc.com/opinion/content/printedition/2007/10/19/krauthammered1019.html)seemed a good addition to Friday

“…Krauthammer’s razor (with apologies to Occam): In explaining any puzzling Washington phenomenon, always choose stupidity over conspiracy, incompetence over cunning. Anything else gives them too much credit.”

By JokesOn

October 19, 2007 2:52 PM | Link to this

Dog KNOWS the 72John name.

Dog,

Your time here and 72John overlapped? I had no idea.

By Inquiring Mind

October 19, 2007 2:53 PM | Link to this

Thanks for the free financial advice. How unfortunate I did not receive your previous tips in time. So, to go further regarding the impending severe economic doom of having what you claim to be a socialist woman president, would you say that this economic doom will affect everyone equally, causing widespread poverty and gnashing of teeth, or will it mirror the doom of the last several years in which a small portion of the population (and corporate entities) did very well while the real wages of working families declined under stagnating salaries, inflation, increases in health care costs, and fewer opportunities for advancement? If so, who do you think will be the hardest hit by this doom, and who, if anyone, will benefit as the result?

By B

October 19, 2007 2:56 PM | Link to this

No Names Please—Please accept my compliment on the Janis Joplin reference. When Janis sings the song “Summertime”, it always rips a hole in my heart about two miles wide. I saw a documentary video about her life recently, and it was one of the saddest films I ever saw. In the documentary, Janis actually went back to her ten-year High School reunion with the intent of rubbing her success in the faces of the people who had been cruel to her growing up. The sad truth, however, was that she never got over the rejection she faced as a young girl, and the effort backfired, with Janis leaving in tears. Broke my heart to watch that. Feeling rejected has to be the worst feeling for anyone……

On the other hand, I’m not familiar with AudioSlave. I find all those Project-9-6-1 bands to be too depressing to listen for very long.

By B

October 19, 2007 3:03 PM | Link to this

Inquiring Minds—I firmly believe in the “all boats rise with the rising tide” theory of economics, as espoused by Ronald Reagan. It’s easy to be envious of rich people, but they are the ones who provide the capital to keep our economy going. Whenever you try to “even the playing field” by taxing the rich too heavily, the whole economy goes down the tubes. In both good times and bad, the rich always benefit the most, BTW. In bad times, they simply buy land and other assets the poor desperately try to sell off at bargain prices. In wealthy economies, they sell the same assets back to the poor people at inflated prices.

By B

October 19, 2007 3:07 PM | Link to this

JokesOn—In my initial days on W2W, I ran off a few lame posters like 72John and Brian Curtis who couldn’t back up their wild claims. They were used to beating up on lightweights like chuck, and couldn’t handle a real debate.

By NetBanker

October 19, 2007 3:08 PM | Link to this

Interesting thing I just read JokesOn about the leader of the Armenians…he doesn’t support the resolution either. No offense to anyone involved or the memories of the Armenians killed, but that happened in 1915 so I just don’t see the point in Pelosi bringing it up other than to “F” with the administration and the war effort.

Right now, my advice is to sell, sell, sell, unless you have some insider trader info on a specific stock. Unless you’re saving or investing for the long haul. Pick any year and look 10 years behind or 10 years ahead (provide that isn’t into the future) and you’ll see that the market was up from the earlier date. Personally, I was saying to invest in overseas stocks last year since the U.S. market isn’t doing that great. My foreign mutual funds having been running in the neighborhood of 15-17% annual returns.

By B

October 19, 2007 3:14 PM | Link to this

I just asked my girlfriend what she wanted to do for our upcoming 6 month “anniversary”. Can you believe she suggested camping out for three days??? I told her, “Honey, the only camping I’m going to do in late October is at the Holiday Inn.” She claims to have gone camping in the snow in the past.

I did have to get on her recently about her habit of questioning the price of everything when we go out, especially at fancy restaurants. I said “Sweetie, I would understand your concern if you were actually paying for any of it.” She did shock me the other day by offering to put up the tip, however. When I told her that I always tip in the 40% range, she tried to go cheap on me.

By Inquiring Mind

October 19, 2007 3:20 PM | Link to this

Interesting. The 90s were an economic fluke, then? The government’s policy of taxing the rich to balance the budget seemed to bode well for the average folks, yours truly included. The movers and shakers of the investment world and the inherited-wealth leisure class did indeed pay more in taxes, but the tide rose for many more Americans. What was the glitch that enabled this anomoly, and what is the underlying down side of a successful American middle class?

By B

October 19, 2007 3:21 PM | Link to this

NetB—I appreciate your comment regarding long-term investing. I was addressing the short-term only.

If I had to pick an economy to gamble on, I think the Brazilians might be some folks to watch out for. They’ve already dramatically reduced their reliance on petroleum, which greatly impresses me as a long-term investor. The only problem is that corruption is part of the Latino culture/mindset, so I have a bad feeling the foreign investors may find themselves screwed over ala Venezuala one of these days.

By B

October 19, 2007 3:33 PM | Link to this

Inquiring Minds—Many factors contributed to the economic “good times” of the 90s, in my understanding. You have to begin with the fact that Alan Greenspan and the Feds cut interest rates over and over again soon after Clinton took office to historically low levels. With all the “cheap money” available, it’s natural for an economy to take off. Unfortunately, the “market exuberance” of unsustainable profit levels led directly to the stock market “correction” in 1999-2004, so it wasn’t all roses. And while Clinton successfully marketed himself as a “liberal”, his policies, economic and otherwise”, look suspiciously conservative in hindsight.

By B

October 19, 2007 3:39 PM | Link to this

Hey—If you guys really want to get some mileage out of a $5 bill, next time you go through a fast-food drive-thru, give it to the cashier as a tip. In the winter time, I always give a minimum $5 tip. I well remember all the years I pumped gas and delivered pizza in the cold. Those folks deserve all we can give them.

By B

October 19, 2007 3:47 PM | Link to this

I would love to hear of any stories regarding High School reunions from y’all. I went to my 20 year reunion back in 98, and it sucked. All the stuck-up snobby people were all still the same. I hung out with the heavy partying crowd back in HS, so none of my friends showed up.

By JokesOn

October 19, 2007 3:49 PM | Link to this

And while Clinton successfully marketed himself as a “liberal”, his policies, economic and otherwise”, look suspiciously conservative in hindsight.

I have often thought that the new liberals were the old conservitives and the new conservitives just plain wack;)

Sweetie, I would understand your concern if you were actually paying for any of it.” She did shock me the other day by offering to put up the tip, however. When I told her that I always tip in the 40% range, she tried to go cheap on me.

Honestly man, that seems pretty crass. She offers to assist after your jab, and you then call her cheap? I thought you said you treat your women wonderfully?

I can admire a 40% tip, but that is generous; not 20% is cheap.

By B

October 19, 2007 3:56 PM | Link to this

JokesOn—I am a little more diplomatic in person than on the blog (usually). And, for the record, my lady friend is a dear person, a saint among sinners. She’s taught me a lot about tolerance, and love. And can you believe that all the horoscope books predict that Gemini and Virgo can’t get along?

I go high on my tips unless the bill includes a lot of alcohol. I go about 25% in cases like that.

By B

October 19, 2007 4:01 PM | Link to this

If you’ve been a part of the hippie scene for any length of time, I’m sure you’ve met my girlfriend, JokesOn. She is universally loved and praised by everyone who meets her. I love her unconditionally, and always will for her kindness to me in one of the darkest periods of my life.

By B

October 19, 2007 4:08 PM | Link to this

I will agree with you, JokesOn, that the current breed of “conservatives” are all wack. Personally, I thought the Terry Schiavo case was the height of wack. Huge stain on the Republican Party, IMO.

By B

October 19, 2007 4:53 PM | Link to this

Inquiring Mind—I just checked the AJC headline—the Dow fell 366 points today. I’m telling you, man, sell what you got unless you plan to hold it for at least 3 more years. If you want to speculate, make sure you sell short on your options.

Good luck with the $$$$, and have a great weekend.

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To jOKES ON: If you want to blame the people that were lied to for believing the lie you are as stupid as you seem.

This is why I love to debate liberals. I could easily post quote after quote that the same democrats made long before Bush was anywhere near the White House and completely decimate your lame argument, but just for fun, let’s say that is true: that the democrats were always completely against any action taken against Saddam Hussien.

Since Bush has been in office, I don’t know a single democrat that doesn’t believe that Bush is a complete idiot. A man that is considered by liberals to have the IQ of a cockroach. But the same people believe that people like Hillary Clinton and Teddy Kennedy are absolutely brilliant, possibly some of the smartest people in the entire world.

So now you are telling me that this idiot, this man that is supposed to be barely able to sign his name, outsmarted all those “brilliant” democrats and convinced those almost God-like people that they should support a strategy that would klll thousands of our young men and women and throw this country into the worst divide since Viet Nam.

Is this what you are trying to say? LOL!!!

So by your own logic (that progressive logic is a real mystery), GW Bush is head and shoulders above the intelligence of 75% of the democrats in Congress. He tricked them into voting for this mess. LOL!!!! Is there any complete bullcrap that you guys will not accept as gospel from that bunch of criminals that you put in Washington? LOL!!!

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