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Is a bill of rights necessary to protect airline passengers?
Shaunti Feldhahn, a right-leaning columnist, writes the commentary this week and Diane Glass, a left-leaning columnist, responds.
Shaunti Feldhahn, a right-leaning columnist, writes the commentary this week and Diane Glass, a left-leaning columnist, responds.
Commentary
No one wants to be trapped on a grounded airplane for almost 11 hours, and after Jet Blue’s Valentines Day incident it’s understandable that people would ask the government to legislate how passengers must be treated. But unfortunately, history is littered with examples of well-intended legislation causing more problems than it solved.
Government should create boundaries within which a commercial market can freely operate, and extra measures may be necessary where market forces don’t work (such as a monopoly situation). But that’s not the case here: because customers have a real choice in airlines, carriers have a competitive interest in preventing these problems - as proven by what actually happened. Without any government intervention, a chagrined Jet Blue immediately developed an extensive bill of rights.
Mandating airlines to “release” passengers after a certain number of hours sounds sensible but could cause worse frustration. Since I travel every week to speaking engagements, I have been trapped on grounded planes several times for weather. Not long ago, I sat on a Dallas runway for three hours during a thunderstorm, waiting for the dozens of planes ahead of mine to take off during the small clearings between thunderclouds. As frustrated the delay was, passengers would have been mutinous if an arbitrary time limit had forced us back to the terminal when we were finally nearing our turn!
In a phone interview, David Castelveter of the Air Transport Association confirmed that that the legislative reform currently being considered “could create inflexible standards and inconvenient travel for everyone.” He pointed out that sweeping reform isn’t even necessary, since “there are millions of departures each year and these situations are extremely rare.”
In fact, airlines are already legally bound to certain standards, through their contract of carriage. And the whole ‘bill of rights’ idea might make indignant customers feel better in 2007, but something very like it -a 12-point point Customer Service Initiative — was put in place eight years ago after a similar Northwest incident in 1999.
JetBlue has already demonstrated that airlines have an incentive to improve their customer service without having it imposed from the outside. As long as these incidents remain rare, we should let them.
Rebuttal
There are necessary security delays and then there are unkind human tortures. The recent JetBlue flight that restrained passengers in a living space the size of a tuna can for nearly 10 hours isn’t an example of stunning airport security. It’s an example of watching a pot that never boils. Or, in this case, waiting for the runway ice to melt.
The motivation to keep passengers on an airplane for hours is more about financial security than human safety. If you allow an airplane-full of people to disembark and stretch their legs, it costs time and money to get them back onboard, along with the added frustration of waiting for late boarders after their cafe-latte mad-dash. Then there’s the reality that if you let passengers off a plane, they may find other flights. It’s a lose-lose proposition for an airline that has an airplane that can’t take off. So what does an airline do? Obviously, absolutely nothing in the face of a profit-margin loss. That’s just not good enough. Airlines can’t wait until someone goes bonkers and then get out the stun gun.
The flight that prompted discussion about a passenger bill of rights was waiting for the ice to melt. It is perfectly understandable and admirable that the plane didn’t take off during risky conditions. But it is just as risky to leave an airplane-full of passengers in tight confines. Only so many relaxation videos and Pilates exercises can abate the inevitable health issues of the under-exercised American population before blood clots start forming.
I don’t want to spend 10 hours in front of a computer at work any more than I want to look at the backside of a chair a foot away from my pie hole on board a cramped flight. Sure, airlines should be safe. They should be careful. They should x-ray my body until it quivers from radiation and sell those x-rays as pornographic fodder on eBay. But 10 hours on a plane is pure craziness, unless someone is planning on stepping off a 10-hour flight to vacation in Japan.
We don’t need a bill of rights to identify an obvious abuse. I would suggest arresting airline executives for kidnapping and human torture. We have lives. We are not monetary body counts shuffled in between hubs and escalators, filling our fiduciary responsibility to pad airline profitability. We bleed too. Okay, maybe not as badly as Delta’s profit margins, but we do suffer.
Comments
By Gorilla Monsoon
March 12, 2007 9:18 AM | Link to this
A well-established principle of contract law is that contracts which require a person to sign away their constitutional rights are unenforceable in a court of law. Since one of the most basic human rights guaranteed by the Constitution is bodily freedom, I believe a good argument could be made that the contract you are forced to accept from the airlines when you buy a ticket is not legal. If I had been on that plane in which they essentially incarcerated the people for 10 hours, I would have led a mutiny. I’d probably still be in jail, but, like Tom Cruise said, every so often you just gotta say WTF.
By Gorilla Monsoon
March 12, 2007 9:19 AM | Link to this
How’s everyone liking the Daylight Savings Time this AM?? Everyone is so perky this morning!!
By Gorilla Monsoon
March 12, 2007 9:37 AM | Link to this
If any of you get bored this week (which I’m expecting based on this week’s topic), here’s a tune to perk you up written by my buddy Charlie, “Sweet Angelene”. The inspiration for the song was a superhot Hooters waitress, but that’s a story for another time. JokesOn’s buddy Ted is the one jamming on guitar.
http://ia310116.us.archive.org/0/items/grapes1991-05-17.shnf/grapes1991-05-17d1t09_64kb.mp3
By Gorilla Monsoon
March 12, 2007 9:52 AM | Link to this
If any of you want to catch Ted, he plays with Ralph Roddenberry these days. C’mon out to a show, you’ll have a good time.
By chuck
March 12, 2007 10:33 AM | Link to this
What are you doing up so early Bru-illa?
By chuck
March 12, 2007 10:41 AM | Link to this
I’ve only flown a few times and all of those in the past 4 years. I have been extremely lucky in that every flight I’ve been on has left and arrived on time or at least pretty close to it. The idea that Airlines can count leaving the boarding area on time as having departed on time is ridiculous. It invites the kind of action that happened with Jet Blue. A simple change in that regard would have prevented the problem. Change the departure time to actual lift off and there is no incentive for holding passengers “hostage”.
Make it easier for planes to return to the boarding area to let passengers off. While airports are not the most comfortable places in the world, they sure beat being stuck on a plane for several hours. At least you can watch TV, get a drink or meal and walk around.
By NetBanker
March 12, 2007 11:10 AM | Link to this
I’ve only flown a few times and all of those in the past 4 years. I have been extremely lucky in that every flight I’ve been on has left and arrived on time or at least pretty close to it. Well Chuck…you’ve now blown that streak. No way the Universe is going to allow you to keep flying on time after that statement.
I fly very regularly and have had a mixed bag of experiences although none as horrific as being stuck for 10 hours on a plane that wasn’t intended to be at least an 8 hour flight in the first place. I think my worst experience has been 3 hours stuck for what is a little over a 1 hour flight and that was on my birthday so the plans my partner and friends had put together were quickly going downhill. As frustrating as that experience was the pilot was very good at communicating with the passengers about why we weren’t returning to the gate…and my partner and friends met me at the airport with a cocktail to enjoy on the ride to Swinging Richards for the rest of the celebration.
It seems to be that both columnists have agreed that there isn’t a need for a flyer’s bill of rights and I agree with them. The breakdown at Jet Blue was unfortunate and I believe those customers should be compensated, but not by government mandate. Were the situation that occurred for those passengers a regular occurrence within the airline industry then maybe I would change my mind, but not given the current circumstances.
By kimberly
March 12, 2007 11:26 AM | Link to this
I’m with Diane on this one. Arrest ‘em for kidnapping! I understand I can’t open the door at 30,000 feet, but if this plane isn’t moving them I’m hauling my cookies OFF of it. Ten hours trapped in clostrophobic conditions is about six hours past the duration of the sedative I swallowed at the gate. Torturing people for their money is, and should remain, illegal.
By Lyrazel
March 12, 2007 12:10 PM | Link to this
I have flown quite a lot and notice there is usually some self-important ape who makes demands loudly but cannot see there are 170+ passengers coping with the same situation. That is the one parents point to as being an example of how not to behave in public. So while gorilla has his WTF moment and interrupts the delayed flight with his attitude; the airline has every right to say they are under no obligation refund anyones tickets because the ape’s act of terrorism was committed thus negating all contracts. Like Tom Cruise WTF is so passé.
Why is it the government must solve every problem Americans experience and how can the government change a policy that delays a flight due to bad weather? Duh? Explain to Senator Chucklebrain how waiting is worse than flying in bad weather that could seriously injure passengers and plane?
Here is the deal. You have a 10 hour delay for a 2 hour flight. You get home, write the airline and say not only you will never fly them but you will stop your company from using them and advise company customers NOT to fly that airline, and since you participate in a blog you will be advising everyone to never fly this airline. Thus, when the company writes back an apology it usually includes some compensation for the inconvenience.
I believe the JetBlue inconvenience will make other airlines look at runway delays and then change their directives as when to let the passengers off, more for the safety of those working these flights and plane because they too understand apes can fly these days.
By Gorilla Monsoon
March 12, 2007 12:27 PM | Link to this
I have flown quite a lot and notice there is usually some self-important ape who makes demands loudly but cannot see there are 170+ passengers coping with the same situation.
It only happened to me once (2 hour delay) several years ago, and after my “tactful squawking”, I got the stewardesses to give everyone on board free drinks. SO there, Lyrazel.
By Gorilla Monsoon
March 12, 2007 12:33 PM | Link to this
What are you doing up so early Bru-illa?
I decided that I was even dissatisfied with The Barron Series “Geometry The Easy Way”, so I spent all weekend rewriting it. One day when I am appointed Supreme Commander of the Universe, schoolchildren will then be able to learn Geometry the proper way, with a compass and straightedge. The truth is that it’s hard to remember things you never truly understood in the first place. Take for example all of the W2W blogger’s difficulties handling base conversions. People should be able to do that in their sleep.
By Gorilla Monsoon
March 12, 2007 12:36 PM | Link to this
Thus far, everyone seems to be focusing on the inconvenience factor here. Personally, I think some Constitutional issues are at stake. In any other situation, no one has the legal right to physically hold you captive like that.
By Gorilla Monsoon
March 12, 2007 12:43 PM | Link to this
Ten hours trapped in clostrophobic conditions is about six hours past the duration of the sedative I swallowed at the gate.
I’m with you on the claustrophobia issue, kimberly. Fortunately, I’ve got sedatives that work more for than 4 hours. Even then, I’ll make like Arnold Schwarzenneger in the movie Commando if they try to trap me in there for more than a few hours without moving.
By Gorilla Monsoon
March 12, 2007 12:55 PM | Link to this
I hope Jack makes it on board this week. He’s probably the only guy here old enough to remember who the original Gorilla Monsoon was.
By Gorilla Monsoon
March 12, 2007 12:58 PM | Link to this
Here’s a quote from Wikipedia about the original Gorilla:
Supposedly born on an isolated farm, “Monsoon” traveled across the countryside with a gypsy caravan wrestling bears, spoke no English, ate raw meat, and drank his victims’ blood.
By Kepler
March 12, 2007 1:07 PM | Link to this
Gorilla Monsoon
I can easily handle base conversions.
Please tell me why you are studying a 9th/10th grade geometry book if you are about to teach math at HMC?
Does St. Peter referee the wrestling matches between you and Andre the Giant?
By Kepler
March 12, 2007 1:10 PM | Link to this
I also knew who Gorilla Monsoon was without any help from Wikipedia.
By MrRogers
March 12, 2007 1:18 PM | Link to this
There went the neighborhood.
By oOo
March 12, 2007 1:36 PM | Link to this
Somehow I don’t imagine that a chiropractic background would qualify one to teach math at any accredited college or university, no matter how uniquely gifted one believes oneself to be. Accreditation by SACS, just as an example, requires a minimum of a Masters degree with at least 18 hours of discipline concentration to teach on the undergraduate level.
By Gorilla Monsoon
March 12, 2007 1:41 PM | Link to this
Please tell me why you are studying a 9th/10th grade geometry book if you are about to teach math at HMC?
I subscribe to the Richard Feynman school of thought regarding mathematics, Kepler. True understanding means being able to explain things in a way that college freshman can understand. That’s one of the big reasons he chose to teach undergrads throughout his career.
BTW—I do believe you know what you’re talking about, Kepler. You showed some good powers f observation in noticing Joe L’s misstatement about orbits being circular. What do you think about my statement that the Earth is the center of the Universe and is not moving at all?
By Gorilla Monsoon
March 12, 2007 1:45 PM | Link to this
Somehow I don’t imagine that a chiropractic background would qualify one to teach math at any accredited college or university
I am returning to college to complete the formality of receiving a math degree. I would only have to take three courses if I wanted to go through GSU, along with some teacher prep type courses. However, I always shoot for the best, so westward I go to HMC. I figure it’s only going to cost me about $150,000.
By Kepler
March 12, 2007 1:47 PM | Link to this
MrRogers
Let me “borrow” a line from Harry Doyle in the movie Major League to describe the situation on this blog:
In case you haven’t noticed - and judging from the limited number of responses on this blog you haven’t - the neighborhood has been “gone” for a long time.
Now slip on your cardigan and a pair of tennis shoes and relax!
By Kepler
March 12, 2007 2:03 PM | Link to this
What do you think about my statement that the Earth is the center of the Universe and is not moving at all?
I must admit that concept is too far past Kepler’s understanding of the universe. My only response would be that “everything is relative”.
Methinks oOo and MrRogers is 72John.
By Joe L
March 12, 2007 2:22 PM | Link to this
”. You showed some good powers f observation in noticing Joe L’s misstatement about orbits being circular.”
Gee did I ever say orbits were circular? Umm NO! I said “circular velocity” which has nothing to do with circular orbits. Of course anyone who understands physics knows that, but you two geniuses made a hugely incorrect ASSumption. Not a surprise though.
By Kepler
March 12, 2007 2:38 PM | Link to this
Circular velocity implies that the object is traveling in a circle. The correct term would have been “orbital velocity”.
By Joe L
March 12, 2007 3:16 PM | Link to this
Actually the absolutely correct term would be ANGULAR velocity. However if you can’t understand what someone is talking about when they say circular velocity then you show a clear lack of understanding of the subject.
By Joe L
March 12, 2007 3:18 PM | Link to this
Actually the technically correct term is “ANGULAR velocity”. Circular velocity would be completely understood to mean the same by anyone with a good grasp of physics. They would not ASSume you mean an object traveling in a perfectly circular path.
By PointyStick
March 12, 2007 3:20 PM | Link to this
You showed some good powers f observation in noticing Joe L’s misstatement about orbits being circular. What do you think about my statement that the Earth is the center of the Universe and is not moving at all?
shouldn’t this crap be on some wonky science blog, or at the least, MathNerd.com? Really, who on this blog freakin’ cares about Heisenberg, Godel, n-dimensions or hyperbolic geometry?!
By chuck
March 12, 2007 3:21 PM | Link to this
circular velocityThe horizontal velocity of an object required to keep it in a circular orbit at a given altitude about a planet or other garvitating mass. It is given by [G(M + m)/R], where G is the gravitational constant, M is the mass of the central body, m is the mass of the orbiting body (which can be ignored, for example, in the case of an orbiting spacecraft), and R is the distance separating the orbiter from the center of the gravitating body.
orbital velocityThe velocity of an object at a given point in its orbit. If the orbit is perfectly circular, the magnitude of the velocity is constant and given by
Vorb = [G(M + m)/r],
where G is the gravitational constant, M is the mass of the primary gravitating body, m is the mass of the orbiting object, and r is the radius of the orbit. In this special case, orbital velocity is the same as circular velocity.
If the m is negligible compared with M, as it is, for example, in the case of a spacecraft orbiting the Earth, then this equation reduces to
Vorb = (GM/r).
An object moving faster than circular velocity will enter an elliptical orbit with a velocity at any point determined by Kepler’s laws of planetary motion. If the object moves faster still, it will travel at escape velocity along a parabolic orbit or beyond escape velocity in a hyperbolic orbit.
By Joe L
March 12, 2007 3:48 PM | Link to this
Sorry for the double post
By Kepler
March 12, 2007 3:51 PM | Link to this
Angular velocity is NOT the correct term. Angular velocity would be used to describe the rotation of the earth about its axis, not the orbit of the earth around the sun. Joe, Kepler has no doubt that you are intelligent and that at one time you were very good at physics. You have simply forgotten a few things over the years. Kepler will no longer point out these simple mistakes.
My apologies Pointy Stick, this is not a science blog or a math blog. Kepler will retire forever! I will not come back under another blog name. Goodbye to all the good people (including Joe L.) at the W2W blog.
By Gorilla Monsoon
March 12, 2007 4:02 PM | Link to this
Sorry to see you go, Kepler. You’ve got more brains than 99% of the bloggers here. Joe L—I agree with Kepler. I’m sure that you well understood the principles behind Physics at one point, but it appears you’re a little fuzzy now. I’m not usually a stickler for precision in ordinary speech, but tremendous precision is required to express physical relationship clearly.
By Gorilla Monsoon
March 12, 2007 4:08 PM | Link to this
Joe—Tell me again about all those gazillions of happy accidents which led to all the beautiful flowers blooming today.
Here’s a better blog topic for next week: Why is it that men and women drive each other crazy, but we aren’t happy without one another?
By Chunky Monkey
March 12, 2007 4:10 PM | Link to this
What up wit this 10 hour flight? Long as I got my iPod and laptop who the heck CARES how long it takes to git somewhere?
By the way, what’s up wit my homey Snoop Dog getting busted in the Swiss Alps?
Bout time for my afternoon ice cream hot fudge sundae dessert…something bout fudge and nuts and rock n roll makes my hair curl!
It be a beautiful day in dis here naybor-hood! Yo yo…WTF!
By Joe L
March 12, 2007 4:11 PM | Link to this
“Angular velocity is NOT the correct term. Angular velocity would be used to describe the rotation of the earth about its axis, not the orbit of the earth around the sun.”
I do stand corrected on this point. However, I will again point out that I in no way said that orbits are circular and your attempt to point this out was incorrect.
By S. Freud
March 12, 2007 4:12 PM | Link to this
Sometimes…an airplane is just an airplane…<@@>
By Joe L
March 12, 2007 4:13 PM | Link to this
“Joe—Tell me again about all those gazillions of happy accidents which led to all the beautiful flowers blooming today.”
Look you have shown yourself both intellectually and emotionally incapable of understanding evolution. Ignorance is truly bliss so I’m sure you are a quite happy person.
By Gorilla Monsoon
March 12, 2007 4:19 PM | Link to this
It is a blast observing the differences in behavior in my rabbits. The male, Boo-Boo, is a simple guy. Mention the word “treat” and he does a backflip. Open his cage door and he’s out of there like a shot. The female, Sweetie, loves the treats and going outside as much as the male. However, at each step, she feels compelled to let me know that underneath it all, she’s really in charge. If I open her cage door, she looks at me and says in rabbit-speak “I’ll go out when I’m damn well ready, mister.”
By Joe L
March 12, 2007 4:26 PM | Link to this
Sorry but unless we are writing a journal paper of physics my usage of terms was more than adequate and correct. However those that ASSumed a wildly incorrect point from it and then patted “them”(him)selves on the back were quite incorrect.
Kepler hasn’t gone you just aren’t talking to yourself again with that moniker.
By Gorilla Monsoon
March 12, 2007 4:31 PM | Link to this
Sorry to beat a dead horse, and a relatively uninteresting one at that, but Joe, you’re dead wrong about the term “circular velocity” not implying a circular orbit. Grab any good Physics book for verification. In ordinary conversation, this would be no big deal, but since you’re trying to defend something which is incorrect, I have to call you on it.
Kepler, on a serious note, I hope that you explore the idea a little more that it is technically correct to say that the Earth is at the center of the Universe and that we’re not moving at all. It’s importance may be more philosophical at this point than physical, but one day I believe observations will agree with a model of the Universe which is topologically equivalent to a torus.
By Gorilla Monsoon
March 12, 2007 4:37 PM | Link to this
Kepler hasn’t gone you just aren’t talking to yourself again with that moniker.
NOW who’s making ASSumptions, Joe? Kepler is his own man. BTW, did you see the original episode of tThe Odd COuple when the Tony Randall character used that line in court “When you A*/ume….” I laughed for weeks about that as a kid.
By Kepler
March 12, 2007 4:38 PM | Link to this
Kepler is not a DOG. Dog WILL continue to blog under various names. I WAS a regular blogger, but I am leaving. I will not come back under my normal blog name, or any other.
I am sorry that I was not very nice to you Joe.
By kimberly
March 12, 2007 4:44 PM | Link to this
YAAAWWWWWWWNNNNN!
By Joe L
March 12, 2007 4:46 PM | Link to this
“Grab any good Physics book for verification. In ordinary conversation, this would be no big deal, but since you’re trying to defend something which is incorrect, I have to call you on it.”
This IS ordinary conversation you dope. I wasn’t writing a journal paper or taking a test so you are WRONG yet again. I’m not defending anything YOU are defending your quite wrong ASSumption that I said “orbits are circular” which you patted yourself on the back about.
A torus shaped universe is neither an impossibility nor that far-fetched. I have had the same concept since I first saw a torus (even before when I saw a mobius strip). Don’t think you are breaking through some great concept here.
By Joe L
March 12, 2007 4:48 PM | Link to this
Yeah like you have ANY credibility that we believe a word out of your mouth. Kepler is clearly dog and vice versa.
By Stir
March 12, 2007 4:50 PM | Link to this
I hope that you explore the idea a little more that it is technically correct to say that the Earth is at the center of the Universe and that we’re not moving at all.
but one day I believe observations will agree with a model of the Universe which is topologically equivalent to a torus
How would everything that makes up this torus be expanding in all directions except for earth? What would have cause only the earth to stop after the big bang?
Am I missing something?
By Monica
March 12, 2007 4:57 PM | Link to this
YAAAWWWWWWWNNNNN!
YAAAWWWWWWWNNNNN!
Yes, those things are contagious!
Hi Kimberly! I know how they could have been let off the plane without the 10 hour wait. Just find that 3-year-old child whose family was kicked off because of her behavior! Can you imagine being stuck on a runway with a sniveling “darling” jumping on the seats and screaming?
By Joe L
March 12, 2007 4:58 PM | Link to this
Well clearly Dog thinks he’s the center of the universe (and his ego might be a large enough gravity well to serve as such) so by extension the Earth most also be at the center.
By Mike Stranger
March 12, 2007 5:08 PM | Link to this
God site. Thanks!
By lozen
March 12, 2007 5:09 PM | Link to this
I’m smarter than you. No, I’m smarter than YOU! NO, I’m smarter than you. NO. NO. Welcome to the new Man to Man pi-sing contest blog on the AJC.
Yaaaawwwwwwwnnnnnnnn! The neighborhood has been gone since mentally ill with a million names started his conversation with himself about things nobody else gives a sh-t about.
By Gorilla Monsoon
March 12, 2007 5:27 PM | Link to this
You talk about things and nobody cares
You’re wearing other things that nobody wears
You’re calling my name but you gotta make clear
I can’t say baby where I’ll be in a year
By cosdhqxlw tbseohka
March 12, 2007 10:29 PM | Link to this
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By lovelyliz
March 13, 2007 9:09 AM | Link to this
Businesses will do whatever they can to maximize profit. They are in the business of business after all. If they aren’t required to do something and it’s not in their financial self interest, they won’t do it unless they are required to and that rule is enforced.
It’s the nature of the beast.
By Joe L
March 13, 2007 1:48 PM | Link to this
Tumbleweeds
By Late Lament
March 13, 2007 1:53 PM | Link to this
Breathe deep the gathering gloom Watch lights fade from every room Bedsitter people look back and lament Another day’s useless energy spent.
Impassioned lovers wrestle as one, Lonely man cries for love and has none. New mother picks up and suckles her son, Senior citizens wish they were young.
Cold hearted orb that rules the night, Removes the colors from our sight. Red is grey and yellow white, But we decide which is right. And which is an illusion?
By Roadrunna
March 13, 2007 1:56 PM | Link to this
Roadrunners
By Late Lament
March 13, 2007 2:03 PM | Link to this
Well I’ve had dreams enough for one And I’ve got love enough for three I have my hopes to comfort me I got my new horizons out to sea
But I’m never going to lose your precious gift It will always be that way Cos I know I’m going to find my own peace of mind Someday…
By Ode to W2W
March 13, 2007 2:05 PM | Link to this
DEATH be not proud, though some have called thee
Mighty and dreadfull, for, thou art not so,
For, those, whom thou think’st, thou dost overthrow,
Die not, poore death, nor yet canst thou kill me.
From rest and sleepe, which but thy pictures bee,
Much pleasure, then from thee, much more must flow,
And soonest our best men with thee doe goe,
Rest of their bones, and soules deliverie.
Thou art slave to Fate, Chance, kings, and desperate men,
And dost with poyson, warre, and sicknesse dwell,
And poppie, or charmes can make us sleepe as well,
And better then thy stroake; why swell’st thou then;
One short sleepe past, wee wake eternally,
And death shall be no more; death, thou shalt die.
By Ode to W2W
March 13, 2007 2:14 PM | Link to this
Do not go gentle into that good night, Old age should burn and rave at close of day; Rage, rage against the dying of the light. Though wise men at their end know dark is right, Because their words had forked no lightning they Do not go gentle into that good night. Good men, the last wave by, crying how bright Their frail deeds might have danced in a green bay, Rage, rage against the dying of the light. Wild men who caught and sang the sun in flight, And learn, too late, they grieved it on its way, Do not go gentle into that good night. Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay, Rage, rage against the dying of the light. And you, my father, there on the sad height, Curse, bless me now with your fierce tears, I pray. Do not go gentle into that good night. Rage, rage against the dying of the light.By Ode to W2W
March 13, 2007 2:16 PM | Link to this
Whose woods these are I think I know. His house is in the village though; He will not see me stopping here To watch his woods fill up with snow.
My little horse must think it queer To stop without a farmhouse near Between the woods and frozen lake The darkest evening of the year.
He gives his harness bells a shake To ask if there is some mistake. The only other sound’s the sweep Of easy wind and downy flake.
The woods are lovely, dark and deep. But I have promises to keep, And miles to go before I sleep, And miles to go before I sleep.
By Ode to W2W
March 13, 2007 2:22 PM | Link to this
Fly envious Time, till thou run out thy race, Call on the lazy leaden-stepping hours, Whose speed is but the heavy Plummets pace; And glut thy self with what thy womb devours, Which is no more then what is false and vain, And meerly mortal dross; So little is our loss, So little is thy gain.
For when as each thing bad thou hast entomb’d, And last of all, thy greedy self consum’d, Then long Eternity shall greet our bliss With an individual kiss; And Joy shall overtake us as a flood, When every thing that is sincerely good And perfectly divine, With Truth, and Peace, and Love shall ever shine About the supreme Throne Of him, t’whose happy-making sight alone, When once our heav’nly-guided soul shall clime, Then all this Earthy grosnes quit, Attir’d with Stars, we shall for ever sit, Triumphing over Death, and Chance, and thee O Time.
By Ode to W2W
March 13, 2007 2:26 PM | Link to this
How do I love thee? Let me count the ways. I love thee to the depth and breadth and height My soul can reach, when feeling out of sight For the ends of Being and ideal Grace. I love thee to the level of everyday’s Most quiet need, by sun and candle-light. I love thee freely, as men strive for Right; I love thee purely, as they turn from Praise. I love thee with a passion put to use In my old griefs, and with my childhood’s faith. I love thee with a love I seemed to lose With my lost saints, —- I love thee with the breath, Smiles, tears, of all my life! —- and, if God choose, I shall but love thee better after death.
By Ode to W2W
March 13, 2007 2:28 PM | Link to this
YAAAWWWWWWWNNNNN!
YAAAWWWWWWWNNNNN!*
Yes, those things are contagious!
Woof.
By chuck
March 13, 2007 2:39 PM | Link to this
Will the last REAL blogger to leave W2W please turn the lights out?
By Ode to W2W
March 13, 2007 3:12 PM | Link to this
Will the last REAL blogger to leave W2W please turn the lights out?
CLICK. ‘Night, John-boy. ‘Night, Elizabeth.
By Jack
March 13, 2007 3:29 PM | Link to this
Thanks Dog. Haven’t thought of “The Moody Blues” in a while.
By MrRogers
March 13, 2007 3:57 PM | Link to this
There went the neighborhood. RIP.
By kimberly
March 13, 2007 3:58 PM | Link to this
Lay some ee cummings on us, dude. If you pick one of my favorites, I might acknowledge the possibility that you’re human, if a mental case still.
By kimberly
March 13, 2007 4:07 PM | Link to this
Mr. Rogers, does that mean the terr’ists have won? Dayyyum! I hate it when that happens.
By MrRogers
March 13, 2007 4:26 PM | Link to this
of course they haven’t won. They do not understand the Pagan, Mongol, Heathen, Outlaw mind.
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March 13, 2007 4:47 PM | Link to this
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March 13, 2007 7:32 PM | Link to this
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By Morning Prayer
March 14, 2007 8:05 AM | Link to this
i thank You God for most this amazing day: for the leaping greenly spirits of trees and a blue true dream of sky; and for everything which is natural which is infinite which is yes
(i who have died am alive again today, and this is the sun’s birthday; this is the birth day of life and love and wings: and of the gay great happening illimitably earth)
how should tasting touching hearing seeing breathing any-lifted from the no of all nothing-human merely being doubt unimaginable You?
(now the ears of my ears awake and now the eyes of my eyes are opened)
By Ode To Spring
March 14, 2007 8:09 AM | Link to this
when faces called flowers float out of the ground and breathing is wishing and wishing is having- but keeping is downward and doubting and never -it’s april(yes,april;my darling)it’s spring! yes the pretty birds frolic as spry as can fly yes the little fish gambol as glad as can be (yes the mountains are dancing together)
when every leaf opens without any sound and wishing is having and having is giving- but keeping is doting and nothing and nonsense -alive;we’re alive,dear:it’s(kiss me now)spring! now the pretty birds hover so she and so he now the little fish quiver so you and so i (now the mountains are dancing, the mountains)
when more than was lost has been found has been found and having is giving and giving is living- but keeping is darkness and winter and cringing -it’s spring(all our night becomes day)o,it’s spring! all the pretty birds dive to the heart of the sky all the little fish climb through the mind of the sea (all the mountains are dancing;are dancing)
By Ode To Love
March 14, 2007 8:12 AM | Link to this
love is a place
& through this place of
love move
(with brightness of peace)
all places
yes is a world
& in this world of
yes live
(skilfully curled)
all worlds
By for kimberly
March 14, 2007 8:15 AM | Link to this
i carry your heart with me(i carry it in my heart)i am never without it(anywhere i go you go,my dear;and whatever is done by only me is your doing,my darling)
i fear no fate(for you are my fate,my sweet)i want no world(for beautiful you are my world,my true) and it’s you are whatever a moon has always meant and whatever a sun will always sing is you
here is the deepest secret nobody knows (here is the root of the root and the bud of the bud and the sky of the sky of a tree called life;which grows higher than soul can hope or mind can hide) and this is the wonder that’s keeping the stars apart
i carry your heart(i carry it in my heart)
By kimberly
March 14, 2007 8:43 AM | Link to this
Oh my. I have totally misjudged you Bruce. Please forgive me. I think I really would like to meet you someday. You know that I have had a difficult life and, well, I really need someone who can take care of me and guide me through recovery. If you are the man that can do that for me, let me know. I think I am falling in love.
By me (hope u like it)
March 14, 2007 8:48 AM | Link to this
a knowing smile
a touch of hearts
losing
me
into us……
new again
now again
how again?
yes again yes again
By me (hope u like it)
March 14, 2007 8:50 AM | Link to this
Oh my. I have totally misjudged you Bruce. Please forgive me. I think I really would like to meet you someday. You know that I have had a difficult life and, well, I really need someone who can take care of me and guide me through recovery. If you are the man that can do that for me, let me know. I think I am falling in love.
Please don’t take kimberly’s name in vain, whoever you are. Slam me without taking her name, ok?
By me (hope u like it)
March 14, 2007 8:58 AM | Link to this
For the record, I feel bad that some of the cool people aren’t hanging out any more. Take my blog…..please. See y’all around town.
By NetBanker
March 14, 2007 9:18 AM | Link to this
Do you ever read something in the newspaper and think WTF? The following quote from an article today makes me wonder about the President of Guatemala. “On Monday, President Oscar Berger of Guatemala complained about the forced deportations of his countrymen who enter the United States illegally.” What the hell does Oscar think we should do? Just keep all of his citizens that come here illegally?
By Scalia
March 14, 2007 9:29 AM | Link to this
Netbanker, I agree with you. I felt the same way about the girl bank robbers Mom who said that her daughter was a good girl, and that she was hanging with the wrong crowd. I hate when parents make excuses for their child’s behavior.
By lovelyliz
March 14, 2007 9:35 AM | Link to this
Can’t anyone stay on topic on these message boards?
By PointyStick
March 14, 2007 10:06 AM | Link to this
Netbanker, were you aware that a full 10% of Guatemalan citizens live in the United States? Did you know that Guatemala’s central bank estimates that “remittance” transfers will exceed $4 billion in 2007, a sum equal to about 7% of that nation’s gross domestic product? Or that approximately 18,000 Guatemalan illegal immigrants were deported from the United States last year, an increase of 60 percent from 2005? And Berger has the gall to be “outraged” at the “forced deportation” of his nationals.
The quote i found most rediculous was this one, “Once in a while differences of opinion arise, for example regarding the issue of migrants and particularly those who have been deported without clear justification,” Berger said, standing next to Bush. (as if being an illegal alien, will forged or stolen identities, working and living in the country illegally isn’t enough of a justification for deportation…)
By Terry
March 14, 2007 10:42 AM | Link to this
How insulting to women that the AJC feels it is necessary to create a special “lite” opinion section for women.
Don’t worry your pretty little heads about those long boring articles girls. We’ll give you something not too challenging.
A pox on the AJC for it’s insult to women’s intelligence.
By NetBanker
March 14, 2007 10:52 AM | Link to this
Pointystick…I was not aware of any of that information, but it certainly explains why Oscar isn’t keen on the idea of replacing incoming $$ with incoming citizens. It’s odd how exporters of humans don’t find being in someone else’s country illegally is reason enough for the return the shipment.
Scalia…I wanted to just slap that woman over her daughter. Be a parent for goodness sake!! Good kids do NOT hang out with ‘the wrong crowd.’ Besides, simply hanging out with whatever crowd makes one a part of it.
By chuck
March 14, 2007 12:19 PM | Link to this
NetB, you and Scalia hit that one right on the nose. The President of Mexico followed that up by raging against us for building a wall to keep illegals FROM HIS COUNTRY out. They also sent a diplomatic letter to the U.S. Embassy because our border patrol people went 3 inches into Mexican land to PUT OUT A FIRE!!!!!
By lozen
March 14, 2007 12:20 PM | Link to this
Hey who’s giving us e. e. cummings poetry without giving him credit?
It is wonderful, spring! Good to be alive to see another spring.
Spring in the south was what I missed when I lived in other areas of the country.
By chuck
March 14, 2007 12:22 PM | Link to this
So dog, are you and kimberly an item now?
Kimmie, have you really gonwe over to the DARK SIDE? Say it ain’t so.
By chuck
March 14, 2007 12:25 PM | Link to this
Hey NetB, wasn’t NAFTA supposed to ease the illegal immigration thing? It does not seem to have helped much.
By PointyStick
March 14, 2007 12:45 PM | Link to this
and this - “Mr. Bush…reassured Mr. Calderon that Mexico and the U.S. are bound together including through U.S. companies that rely on Mexican labor, and Mexican families and the government that rely on the $20 billion in remittances sent home by those workers, many of them illegal aliens.
*"These ties include the families, who send an estimated $20 billion in remittances each year to their relatives here in Mexico*, **one of the largest private economic initiatives in the world**, *"he said*.so to Dubya, our esteemed President, the criminal conspiracy between American business and Mexico’s government to export the poor and ill-educated to the U.S. to use as cheap labor is nothing more than a “private economic initiative”. Of course, this comes from the same party that view torture as no worse than frat house hazing, and political dissent as sedition.
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By kimberly
March 14, 2007 1:05 PM | Link to this
Chuckie, I’m wounded! You know dadgum well that wasn’t me. But I DO love cummings, an artist well ahead of his time, and considered quite a pervert for his day. He put so beautifully and succinctly the things many wouldn’t even dare to say. Mongrel gave a good effort, but in the end, did not pick my favorites, indicating that we are not, and can never be, of one mind.
By NoBrainer
March 14, 2007 1:54 PM | Link to this
It was Dog talking to himself earlier.
By chuck
March 14, 2007 1:58 PM | Link to this
I knew that Kimberly. Just messin’ around. You know how it is. dog probably wrote it himself. You know how much he likes to talk to himself.
By chuck
March 14, 2007 2:04 PM | Link to this
No pointy. You were okay until your last sentence. It does not come from the Republican Party. It comes from our pointy headed little President. Most Republicans I know (the ones who don’t belong to a country club) are totally in favor of securing our borders, actively seeking out illegals, and deporting them. ALL of them.
By Monica
March 14, 2007 2:06 PM | Link to this
Kimberly, my favorite cummings poem is “buffalo bill’s defunct…” Love the last line. Which is yours, if you don’t mind my asking?
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By chuck
March 14, 2007 2:19 PM | Link to this
Hey Monica. How abour “seeker of truth”.
Nice, short, to the point.
Favorite all time poem? Mine is a toss-up between “Mending Wall” and “The Death of the Hired Man,” both by Robert Frost. That man had a way with words.
By kimberly
March 14, 2007 2:23 PM | Link to this
Monica, YES! I love that one! (How do you like your blueeyed boy Mister Death)
My favorite relates to both the lovely weather we’re having, and also to the torrent of philisophical discussions we have here on W2W. As such, I’ll dedicate it to y’all:
By With apologies for any errant formatting
March 14, 2007 2:24 PM | Link to this
O sweet spontaneous earth how often have the doting
fingers ofpurient philosophers pinched and poked
thee ,has the naughty thumb of science prodded thy
beauty .howoftn have religions taken thee upon their scraggy knees squeezing and
buffeting thee that thou mightest conceive gods (but true
to the incomparable couch of death thy rhythmic lover
thou answerestthem only with
spring) -- E. E. CummingsBy me (hope u like it)
March 14, 2007 2:49 PM | Link to this
Well, I should have gone with my instincts—I like the more “philosophical” poems of ee, but thought kimmy might like some of the love poems better. I guess she’s not that sentimental.
P.S. Hopefully it was obvious that I was quoting cummings earlier. I did make up the short new poem myself, hopefully in his style. Usually a guy gets a little credit for trying….
By me (hope u like it)
March 14, 2007 2:53 PM | Link to this
Most Republicans I know (the ones who don’t belong to a country club) are totally in favor of securing our borders, actively seeking out illegals, and deporting them. ALL of them.
Hey, give me chance to sell some of my properties first, will you?? On a serious note, we’re in so deep we can’t just round everyone up and deport them at this point without economic chaos. The housing market for one would go bust over night due to all the vacant houses.
By me (hope u like it)
March 14, 2007 2:58 PM | Link to this
It was Dog talking to himself earlier.
Look, if I had stolen kimmy’s name, don’t you think I could have some up with something a little spicier? Not as spicy as what she can come up with on her own, but better than the lowlife who took her name earlier today.
For the record, for the millionth time, I’m not the one stealing names here.
By me (hope u like it)
March 14, 2007 3:04 PM | Link to this
Any March Madness fans on board? I took a chance with my brackets this year and went with Louisville to upset Ohio State. to make it to the Final Four. If they do that, I’m going to win some serious cash. My Final Four are Florida—UCLA—Georgetown—Louisville, with Florida beating Georgetown for the championship.
By me (hope u like it)
March 14, 2007 3:11 PM | Link to this
Here’s a joke Jack might appreciate considering kimberly’s short stature:
Q: What is even better than a nice long pair of legs wrapped around your back?
A: A pair of short legs trying real hard!
By Monica
March 14, 2007 3:16 PM | Link to this
Chuck, I love Robert Frost. In contrast to cummings, he once said of writing free verse: “I’d as soon play tennis with the net down.”
Ahh, poetry. Unfortunately, I can’t spend as much time on it as I would like. End of course tests are much more important :(
By me (hope u like it)
March 14, 2007 3:30 PM | Link to this
So what does make you tick, kimberly? You’re a very enigmatic person to me. What is your vision for your future? Or are you just staying busy getting through each week? You often put on the trappings of a liberal, but I think that deep inside you embrace traditional values for the most part. The only thing I have figured out about you is that you might be one of the smartest people I ever encountered. Not even one of my self-indulgent, manipulative tricks has worked on you. : > {
By me (hope u like it)
March 14, 2007 3:33 PM | Link to this
Chuck, I love Robert Frost.
Well, that makes three of us. As much as I appreciate the spare style of cummings and his bravery for taking on “controversial” topics, Frost makes you feel me at home. You don’t have to work as hard to get the meaning.
By me (hope u like it)
March 14, 2007 3:38 PM | Link to this
Do me a favor, guys, in case any of us do meet in public one day. Please don’t let on to my friends about all of the Math and Science blogs, and certainly keep mum about the poetry. My rep would never recover.
By me (hope u like it)
March 14, 2007 3:56 PM | Link to this
So what High Schools did you guys attend? My poor friends went to North Peachtree and Cross Keys; the spooners went to Westminster and Galloway.
By Justice
March 14, 2007 4:06 PM | Link to this
OFF TOPIC:
What do you think about convicted child molestors…such as the one who may be involved in the disappearance of the 6 year old boy in Brunswick? He was previously convicted of child abuse on 2 counts and let out on parole. Now he may have abused and actucally killed his victim this time.
I think that they should have IT cut off since they do not know the proper way to use IT! Do you agree with this idea?
I mean, come on, if they have “sex” with a child then they don’t need to have the body part any more since they can’t control it. Just chop it off-make that one of the conditions of parole!!!
Thoughts?
By lozen
March 14, 2007 4:11 PM | Link to this
One of my favorite poems: “Universe, I exist,” the man said. “However,” replied the universe, “that creates no sense of obligation in me.” Other favorite poets: e.e., Edna St. Vincent Millay (who was a wild, wild woman), Frost, Browning, Joni Mitchell, Bob Dylan, E. B. Browning, John Lennon, some of Carl Sandberg, Pat Alger who has written a lot of country songs but used to play with the Handband here in the 60’s, and Robinson Jeffers.
By lozen
March 14, 2007 4:15 PM | Link to this
Justice, you idiot. No way that will ever happen. Too many top people in this country (every country) who really deep down identify with child molesters! They should put those people in jail for life with no chance of parole ever and just turn the other prisoners loose on them; they hate child molesters as much as anybody does and they would take care of them soon enough!
By me (hope u like it)
March 14, 2007 4:18 PM | Link to this
I think that they should have IT cut off since they do not know the proper way to use IT! Do you agree with this idea?
I do think that “chemical castration” should be an option. Let’s not talk about “The Bobbitt”, though. Guys can’t handle that kind of talk.
By me (hope u like it)
March 14, 2007 4:20 PM | Link to this
Universe, I exist,” the man said. “However,” replied the universe, “that creates no sense of obligation in me.” Other favorite poets: e.e., Edna St. Vincent Millay (who was a wild, wild woman), Frost, Browning, Joni Mitchell, Bob Dylan, E. B. Browning, John Lennon,
lozen, you do have good taste, I have to admit. Were you one of the spontaneous mourners when John Lennon was shot?? The only other artist I’ve seen get that kind of response was Jerry Garcia. Probably the only living artist that the world will spontaneously mourn for in the near future will be Elton John whe he passes away one day.
By me (hope u like it)
March 14, 2007 4:24 PM | Link to this
The girlfriend I loved the most was a big John Lennon fan. I still can’t play “One Day At A Time” without getting weepy.
By me (hope u like it)
March 14, 2007 4:25 PM | Link to this
I still love you, Donna.
You are my weakness, you are my strength Nothing I have in the world makes better sense Cause I’m the fish and you’re the sea When we’re together or when we’re apart There’s never a space in between the beat of our hearts Cause I’m the apple and you’re the tree
One day at a time is all we do One day at a time is good for you
You are my woman, I am your man Nothing else matters at all, now I understand That I’m the door and you’re the key And every morning I wake in your smile Feeling your breath on my face and the love in your eyes Cause you’re the honey and I’m the bee
One day at a time is all we do One day at a time is good for us two (you too)
By me (hope u like it)
March 14, 2007 4:36 PM | Link to this
Somehow, with kimberly, I think it would be more like “Steel and Glass”, “Jealous Guy”, and “Mind Games”.
By me (hope u like it)
March 14, 2007 4:52 PM | Link to this
In the middle of a dream I call your name…….Oh, Yoko. My love will turn you on.
By me (hope u like it)
March 14, 2007 4:59 PM | Link to this
We’re playing those mind games together, Pushing barriers, planting seeds, Playing the mind guerilla, Chanting the Mantra peace on earth, We all been playing mind games forever, Some kinda druid dudes lifting the veil. Doing the mind guerilla, Some call it the search for the grail, Love is the answer and you know that for sure, Love is flower you got to let it, you got to let it grow, So keep on playing those mind games together, Faith in the future outta the now, You just can’t beat on those mind guerillas, Absolute elsewhere in the stones of your mind, Yeah we’re playing those mind games forever, Projecting our images in space and in time, Yes is the answer and you know that for sure, Yes is the surrender you got to let it, you got to let it go, So keep on playing those mind games together, Doing the ritual dance inn the sun, Millions of mind guerrillas, Putting their soul power to the karmic wheel, Keep on playing those mind games forever, Raising the spirit of peace and love, not war, (I want you to make love, not war, I know you’ve heard it before)
By kimberly
March 14, 2007 4:59 PM | Link to this
Hi Lozen! My dad really digs Edna SVM too, and seems to know all about her! Haha.. Always reciting stuff. I annoy my offspring as well pushing the arts, in the hopes of passing along poetic appreciation and perspective.
By PointyStick
March 15, 2007 9:43 AM | Link to this
chuck said It does not come from the Republican Party. It comes from our pointy headed little President. Most Republicans I know (the ones who don’t belong to a country club) are totally in favor of securing our borders, actively seeking out illegals, and deporting them
1) the “this is brought to you from…” quote was in regard to WHO was saying that remittance from illegal immigrants should be considered “one of the largest private economic initiatives in the world” NOT addressing the issue itself. 2) the quote WAS from your pointy headed little president, who, if I’m not mistaken, is the number-one-son-big-poobah head of the Republican party. 3) Which party equates torture with frat parties, debate with sedition, and the Gitmo prison with summer camp?and as for the issue -
Who (other than the pro-illegal groups like La Raza) are pushing amnesty? Why it’s the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. The National Association of Homebuilders. Meat processors. Landscapers. By and large…most of the business community and farmers. What party do these groups mainly support?
I, like you, know that most of my party’s grassroots are ALSO “totally in favor of securing our borders, actively seeking out illegals, and deporting them. ALL of them”. Unfortunately, politicians being the w******* that they are, neither side seems to have the balls to actually represent the wishes of “We the People”.
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I would not breed from this Officer.
This Officer is really not so much of a has-been, but more of a definitely won’t-be.
When she opens her mouth, it seems that this is only to change whichever foot was previously in there.
He has carried out each and every one of his duties to his entire satisfaction. - He would be out of his depth in a car park puddle.
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This Officer reminds me very much of a gyroscope - always spinning around at a frantic pace, but not really going anywhere.
This young lady has delusions of adequacy.
When he joined my ship, this Officer was something of a granny; since then he has aged considerably.
This Medical Officer has used my ship to carry his genitals from port to port, and my officers to carry him from bar to bar.
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She sets low personal standards and then consistently fails to achieve them.
He has the wisdom of youth, and the energy of old age.
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March 16, 2007 11:28 AM | Link to this
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One day he awoke to find that the four point tool was missing. The chimp was distraught. He ran around the jungle trying to find his precious tool. First he came upon the lion. “Lion, Lion!” he cried, “Have you seen my four point tool?”
“No.” Replied the lion, “I have not seen your four point tool.”
Then the chimp came upon the gorilla. “Gorilla, Gorilla!” he cried, “Have you seen my four point tool?”
“No.” Replied the gorilla, “I have not seen your four point tool.”
Then the chimp came upon the jaguar. “Jaguar, Jaguar!” he cried, “Have you seen my four point tool?”
“Yup!” replied the jaguar, “I’ve seen your four point tool.”
“Well where is it?” inquired the chimp.
“I ate it.” Said the jaguar, smugly.
“Why would you do that?” Cried the chimp.
“Because,” replied the big cat, “I’m a four point tool eater jaguar!”
LOL!!!
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Now jaguars, chimps, gorillas and lions living naturally on even the same CONTINENT irrelevant. LOL
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well, obviously the jaguar was an import…
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March 16, 2007 12:39 PM | Link to this
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well, obviously the jaguar was an(escaped) import…
OBVIOUSLY. good one. LOL
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