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Should the National Education Association fund ideological causes?
Shaunti Feldhahn, a right-leaning columnist, writes the commentary this week and Diane Glass, a left-leaning columnist, responds.
Shaunti Feldhahn, a right-leaning columnist, writes the commentary this week and Diane Glass, a left-leaning columnist, responds.
Commentary
National Education Association (NEA) materials say it is America’s “largest professional employee organization” and is “committed to advancing the cause of public education.” In actuality, the NEA isn’t a standard professional association, but a union of 3.2 million dues-paying members — including millions of teachers who believe membership is obligatory, even when it isn’t. And according to new financial reports, it is committed to advancing a whole lot more causes than just public education.
Of nearly $300 million in dues in 2005, more than $90 million went for “political activities and lobbying” or “contributions, gifts and grants.” This would be fine if the NEA leadership was solely lobbying for better conditions for teachers, or supporting educational initiatives. But a huge portion of their funds are slanted toward openly left-leaning ideological causes.
Why, for example, should teacher dues be supporting overtly Democratic causes like Democratic campaign consultants Terris & Barnes ($368,000), the North Carolina Democratic Party Building Fund ($25,000), or the Floridians for All Committee ($249,000) which exists to “redirect” Florida toward Democrats?
It is a bit infuriating that those politically-slanted causes got so much more than groups like Rebuild America’s Schools, which received just $20,000 in 2005 to help modernize our crumbling public schools.
Even when NEA money does support education-specific initiatives, it almost exclusively promotes left-leaning policies and fights conservative ones (such as the $2.5 million spent largely in opposing Bush’s No Child Left Behind policy).
In a phone interview, Tracey Bailey of the Association of American Educators (AAE) explained why independent associations for educators are growing while the NEA isn’t. As he said, “Almost all AAE members come to us because they are frustrated with the NEA, and that their money is supporting causes against their personal beliefs.” By contrast, “we don’t contribute to political parties, endorse candidates or take up issues outside the classroom; we simply help and support teachers with how to be the best teacher they can be.”
Despite these problems, the NEA is still the largest game in town, with great power to improve public education …if they would just realize that liberals don’t have a monopoly on excellent educational ideas.
Rebuttal
It’s disappointing when you find out you’re supporting causes you oppose. Like when I found out Catholic philanthropist and Domino Pizza founder Thomas Monaghan supported Operation Rescue, an anti-abortion organization known for its shock value tactics.
It’s disappointing. But it’s not surprising. We may have the right to put our hard-earned dollars into organizations aligned with our values but the National Education Association’s partisan funding isn’t breaking news. Look at all of the government-funded conservative causes payrolled during the Bush presidential term.
Faith-based social service initiatives are on the rise. In 2005, more than $2.1 billion was distributed through federal grants to religious organizations. All of us pay taxes that fund these federal grants. Being an agnostic, atheist or Buddhist doesn’t exempt anyone. Soon, all of us may be contributing our tax dollars to a new kind of prison reform, found in states like Texas and Iowa, where inmates are offered luxuries you’d find at grandmas house, so long as they’re willing to undergo an evangelical religious conversion.
But taxpayer-funded faith-based social services aren’t the only examples of partisan funding. And secular organizations aren’t just funding liberal causes. Contributions from so-called secular organizations contributed about half of all operating expenses to conservative groups fighting the consecration of gay bishops, reports the Episcopal Diocese of Washington Web site.
Then there is the proliferation of think tanks hiding under the guise of secular policy-making that make it evident that the NEA is just another organization with personal interests, not a nefarious anomaly. The “Independent Women’s Forum,” started out as a group called “Women for Clarence Thomas”. If their launch topic isn’t telling enough, ask yourself why this nonprofit has received over 3 million dollars in funding from conservative groups. According to their Website, they are just another “non-partisan” non-profit.
The National Education Association should contribute members’ dues to non-partisan causes out of respect for all of their members. But they don’t. That’s hardly unusual. It’s the same reality American taxpayers endure and liberal contributors face with other so-called secular organizations. So, the NEA is liberal. Tell me something I don’t already know.
Comments
By Brian Curtis
February 26, 2007 8:22 AM | Link to this
Wow, that was a whole lotta spam.
By Aint Gonna Post Here No More
February 26, 2007 9:00 AM | Link to this
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February 26, 2007 9:02 AM | Link to this
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By chuck
February 26, 2007 9:10 AM | Link to this
This exactly why I chose to not join the NEA or it’s state counterpart GAE. In Georgia we are fortunate to have a true PROFESSIONAL ASSOCIATION that is not a union. It is called PAGE. The only lobbying PAGE does is for educational issues that deal directly with teachers, teaching, and learning. Most people join NEA for the liability insurance, not because they like the organization or its stands on the issues.
By lozen
February 26, 2007 9:19 AM | Link to this
This site is just the most frustrating thing in the world lately. Yards and yards of spam and the idiot, foul, gross, name-changing poster who has nothing to say but says it adnauseum.
By Miss Manners
February 26, 2007 9:50 AM | Link to this
Forget this!! I’ll post somewhere else! Hey Shaunti and Diane, please clean up your site!!
By Archie
February 26, 2007 10:01 AM | Link to this
The National Education Association should contribute members’ dues to non-partisan causes out of respect for all of their members. But they don’t. That’s hardly unusual.
I agree with Diane. It’s hard to expound on that because her rebuttal is so well-written. If we’re going to single out one group let’s single out all of them.
By Boycott SDakota !
February 26, 2007 11:16 AM | Link to this
A South Dakota bill, which would have required hospitals to tell rape victims about the availability of emergency contraception—that’s right, just tell women about it, not dispense it—failed last week. I don’t understand the huge objection to emergency contraception, especially in a state like South Dakota where they keep trying to ban abortion. Easy access to EC means less abortions which is a good thing, right? Even Catholic doctrine states that until a fertilized egg has implanted, it’s not a pregnancy. You’d think that this would be the perfect solution to the issue; it doesn’t terminate a pregnancy, but it lets a woman have control over her body.
I despise South Dakota & the people who allow this to happen. I refuse to have anything to do with such an ignorant woman state. Only a fool would live there.
By Jack
February 26, 2007 12:21 PM | Link to this
Hi Hon.:)
Yes. We could feed a third world nation with all of this spam!
By Monica
February 26, 2007 1:20 PM | Link to this
On AJC homepage, at the top, click on the Customer Care link. Go to “Contact us about our website.” Send an e-mail to complain about the spam. I sent one last week about that and our resident cur, but apparently it didn’t work. Maybe we can jam up their emails with complaints, and they might have an idea how we feel.
BTW - GAE (Georgia Association of Educators), the state affiliate with NEA, is not a union. We don’t have a union in Georgia. Most teachers with common sense are in GAE, and therefore NEA, for the liability insurance.
By chuck
February 26, 2007 2:00 PM | Link to this
Monica, I would think that PAGE would be a much better fit for your belief system than is NEA. PAGE sticks to educational issues and has a great insurance program as well.
By listen@ajc.com
February 26, 2007 2:42 PM | Link to this
Do any cooking blogs get spammers for Viagra? Do any buisness blogs in the Ajc get spammed for “hyrocodone with a prescription?
If the religious or family blogs of the AJC was hit daily with sex spam, how long does anybody think it would be removed WITH APPOLOGIES?????
It is CLEAR WHY THE AJC doesn’t give a Sheit about Spammers trying to ruin this blog. This is a WOMAN’S BLOG WHERE WE ARE FREE TO SPEAK OUT MINDS.
In a lot of countries that would get us shot, but this is America, WHICH YOU WOULD THINK AT LEAST A LOCAL PAPER WOULD PROTECT WOMEN’S FREEDOM OF SPEECH & protection from the SEX TERRORISTS!
AJC IF YOU are trying to secretly make money off the sex & drug industry, at least do the readers a favor by being honest with us & admit it. I’m canceling my Sunday paper.
By listen@ajc.com
February 26, 2007 2:47 PM | Link to this
“Inappropriate and profane comments will be edited at the discretion of the editors.” “unless Shaunti & Diane make at least 25% of all drugs & porn sold from links off this blog”
Shaunti & Diane are already receiving free spam health insurance & ringtones, as long as they are employed by the AJC.
Thank you for your concern.
EDITOR ACJ
By Lily Toad
February 26, 2007 3:58 PM | Link to this
Boring topic, but I if I belonged to a professional organization I would want my dues to go just to that organization, not to other causes unless the membership agreed to support a related charity or advocacy group. I don’t buy Diane’s “everybody else does it” argument.
By Monica
February 26, 2007 4:58 PM | Link to this
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This is the canned reply that I have received twice after lodgind my two complaints about the spam. Hungry, anyone?
Chuck - with regard to PAGE, I was told a long time ago that PAGE only pays if you win your case. I don’t know if that is true, but I do have a friend who switched from PAGE to GAE because of an incident that occurred, and he could not get anyone from PAGE to help him. I don’t necessarily agree with all that NEA advocates, but for that matter I don’t necessarily agree with all of the policies of public education, either; however, I choose to work for public education.
By Brian Curtis
February 27, 2007 9:09 AM | Link to this
So the regular posters don’t have access to this forum after hours… but the spammers do! Must be nice to enjoy a privileged status like that.
By fire Shaunti & Diane
February 27, 2007 9:16 AM | Link to this
Let’s all copy & paste the granny sex & viagra spams onto the religious, business,family blogs. See how long it takes for somebody to remove it.
I’m doing it.
By kimberly
February 27, 2007 10:11 AM | Link to this
They’re discussing education in GA over on the Wooten blog today. I use a different name over there, but have not posted yet today, as I regularly make my position clear: ALL the schools, in ALL the neighborhoods should be bleeping FANTASTIC, or we’re failing the most important generation of Americans: the NEXT to take control!
BTW, Gentlemen, (regarding this spam): If you’re going to take all this viagra and stuff, at least be discreet about it. When the blue pill falls out of your pocket on the way to dinner, and you’re all red-faced and “oops,” expect us to snicker.
By Jack
February 27, 2007 10:23 AM | Link to this
Hi Hon. :) They wouldn’t need it for you.
By Ronnie B
February 27, 2007 10:26 AM | Link to this
Ironic how the same people who have no problem with police unions, can’t stand the idea of a teacher’s union.
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February 27, 2007 10:32 AM | Link to this
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By RectilinearPropagation
February 27, 2007 12:22 PM | Link to this
I would like to point out that Shaunti and Diane almost certainly don’t have control of this web page. Whomever is responsible for building and maintaining the web site itself needs to find a way to prevent spam-bots from flooding the comments but the authors aren’t benefiting from this.
By S&D be responsible
February 27, 2007 12:52 PM | Link to this
Shaunti & Diane do have control. They need to watch their OWN BLOG. If they see spam THEY NEED TO REPORT THE SPAM. It’s not our responsibility to clean up this crap. What’s the use in having this blog if it’s only going to be read & used by the sex & drug industry? If this is how it’s going to be then the AJC needs to change the name to SEX & DRUGS links, not Woman to Woman.
We deserve more respect than this.
By Monica
February 27, 2007 1:16 PM | Link to this
Wow! For the first time in history, the comment numbers are going down!
Yesterday at 1:34 there were 127 comments (only 6 of them were non-spam). This morning there were 53, and now - only 25!
Next question: if ajc can eliminate some of the spam, why can they not eliminate all of it?
By RectilinearPropagation
February 27, 2007 2:18 PM | Link to this
Shaunti & Diane do have control.
You misunderstood me. I didn’t say that they couldn’t report the spam to the AJC; anyone can do that. I said that they can’t make changes to the page itself. It is unlikely that they can go in and delete the comments from the spambots.
It is the AJC’s responsibility to fix this. It’s their site.
Next question: if ajc can eliminate some of the spam, why can they not eliminate all of it?
Maybe some of the spam bots are easier to stop than others.
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By Brian Curtis
February 28, 2007 8:51 AM | Link to this
Getting past the spam…
To answer the question: Yes, the NEA should fund ideological causes—specifically, those that favor improving our public education system rather than dismantling it.
The fact that those causes are overwhelmingly liberal and Democratic is, I’m sure, the sheerest coincidence. After all, it’s not like Republicans hate public education and want it destroyed. Heavens, no.
By Brian Curtis
February 28, 2007 8:53 AM | Link to this
(Clicked Post too fast…)
The same goes for supporting candidates. Clearly the NEA should support pro-education candidates and oppose anti-education ones.
Again, these will tend to be your sane (i.e., liberal) candidates rather than scary religious freaks and government-hating anarcho-capitalist types, but that’s again just a big coincidence.
By chuck
February 28, 2007 10:21 AM | Link to this
So “pro-education” means what BC? Can you name even ONE candidate who is against education? As usual, you can’t see beyond the end of your nose. In “LIBSPEAK” what you are saying is that if a candidate does not believe in YOUR BRAND of socialist education (indoctrination), then they are against education. Also as usual, there is NO ROOM in the closed mind of a liberal for ANY OTHER WAY of doing things than the way YOU SEE FIT. What that USUALLY means is that the government has to be in charge of EVERYTHING.
While I am in favor of keeping public education…especially since that is what I do…I also see the need for improvement and for choice. Funny how choice is a good thing to liberals when it comes to KILLING babies, but not such a good thing when it comes to educating the ones who escape the abortionists. I would gladly put what I do against ANY private school education. I can compete because I’m good at what I do. My school can compete because we do a great job. Some schools can’t say that. Why should children be trapped in those schools when the public is not willing to do what it takes to fix them?
By ProWoman
February 28, 2007 10:37 AM | Link to this
Nobody is killing babies, except maybe abusive parents or dangerous foster care homes. Young women who dump their newborns in dumpsters is killing babies, lack of healthcare kills babies.
Abortion terminates an unwanted pregnancy, which is a fetus. Just wanted to clear that up.
Now, the problem has been & will always be that not enough parents are actually qualified to raise children. These children are going to perfectly good schools that become bad due to kids that don’t care & cause problems then go home to parents who can’t be bothered. Better family planning would help. What does anybody expect “the public” to do? “The public” is having too many children they don’t even know how to raise correctly.
GOOD JOB AJC FOR CLEARNING UP WOMAN TO WOMAN !
By Brian Curtis
February 28, 2007 10:47 AM | Link to this
Chuck: Why should we accept the existence of “bad” schools by making it easier to bail out, instead of fixing them?
By Monica
February 28, 2007 11:02 AM | Link to this
You make a great point Brian, and I believe in neighborhood schools. Unfortunately, I don’t know how to fix the bad ones. I think the solution lies more with the parents of said schools than the teachers and students. Short of mandating teachers to work at a school, or paying them a double salary, teachers also shy away from the bad schools.
By NetBanker
February 28, 2007 11:10 AM | Link to this
Chuck and Monica I’m primarily directing this question your way since you are “in the system” and best situation to respond. When it comes to improving GA public schools what do you think or believe is the one thing that could be done that would have the greatest impact?
Why should children be trapped in those schools when the public is not willing to do what it takes to fix them?” Chuck can you expound on the ‘what it takes to fix them’? As an insider what do you see that needs fixing?
As an outsider and non-consumer of public education I’m constantly surprised about how much effort seems to be spent and respent on the curriculum for GA schools. In my business one of the rules of them when evaluating how to fill a market need or solve a problem is whether or not an off-the-shelf solution already exists that can used rather than developing one in-house. This allows the problem/issue to be addressed more quickly, efficiently, and economically than solving the problem in-house. It seems to me that a prudent course of action to define the curriculum would be to look at which states’ students have been in the top ten for test scores and then use their curriculum and teaching methods since they are obviously successful.
By Monica
February 28, 2007 12:25 PM | Link to this
Net,
The biggest problem in education is that there is not just one thing to be done to improve. I’ll get back to you on this after I deliberate for a while!
By Chuckles
February 28, 2007 12:37 PM | Link to this
C’mon - who else just giggles whenever chuck accuses someone else of being close-minded? Y’all can admit it. It’s just so bizzare!
By ProWoman
February 28, 2007 12:38 PM | Link to this
Georgia is becoming an anti-woman state.
The govt doesn’t want parents to prevent cervical cancer in their girls. Gee maybe we should not require polio shots either.
If I was a young girl now & my parents wouldn’t let me get that shot because “ohhhhh noooo she’ll have sex ! !”. Years later I got cancer due to getting HPV from a bf or husband, I’d sue the S** out of them & make them pay my medical & funeral bills.
OH NICE GA wants all women getting abortions to be asked if they want a sonogram ! Our Govt wants to encourage women to continue with unwanted pregnancies ! (they actually said that). Who do they think is going to pay for all these sonograms????? GOOD IDEA FOLKS ! Our Govt wants women to have children they don’t want or can’t afford ! GREAT IDEA GA ! LETS make our schools worse, more child abuse, more poverty, more idiots raising idiots ! Let’s start building jails now to house all these new up & coming criminals ! Our schools will suffer as well ! great idea ! Guess who has to pay for it? WE DO THE TAXPAYERS ! Take a look at your tax bill, look at how much you are paying for “school tax”. Triple it.
By Jack
February 28, 2007 1:28 PM | Link to this
“I think the solution lies more with the parents of said schools than the teachers and students.”
Amen Monica. Truer words have not been spoken. :)
By Monica
February 28, 2007 2:20 PM | Link to this
Hi Jack!
Case in point: Essays were due yesterday in my honors English class (9th grade). They could turn it in late today for a letter grade off, and after today they will receive a zero. I have 5 students who have not turned in a paper. One is already crying for extra credit. You wanna bet that the parents will send me an email, asking me if I can find it in my heart to let baby turn in the paper?
What would happen in the business world, or in a college English class? Which decision is more harmful to a student.. to let him get caught early for being a slacker and ruin his average this 9 weeks, or allowing him yet another chance to turn something in?
I was an “80’s” high school kid, and I never would have dreamed of not turning in an assignment!
By Diane Glass
February 28, 2007 2:46 PM | Link to this
We made a few SPAM filter upgrades to the blog system so that the “Woman to Woman” column doesn’t get so much SPAM.
You will still see SPAM, but the kind of SPAM that is automated will be caught after a few times and stopped. Unfortunately, as some of you suspect, Shaunti and I don’t receive any proceeds from porn advertising. :-(
By Brian Curtis
February 28, 2007 3:20 PM | Link to this
Thank you, Diane.
See, if you’d gone into the porn business your money worries would be over!
By The72John
February 28, 2007 3:49 PM | Link to this
I wonder what Shaunti’s opinion on independent professional organizations with voluntary membership that pursue right-wing causes is?
Never mind - I bet we can guess.
By Amy
February 28, 2007 4:48 PM | Link to this
So, did the pope ever bless the KFC fish sandwiches? (As if HE has any authority to bless anything!As if HE was God or is able to speak FOR God! Indeed!)
But since he DOES bless Ferrari’s then why not fast food?
Why do people believe this man can speak for God? The history of the popes would make a sailor blush! They are not men of the God I know. They are not teaching the bible but are instead teaching the traditions of men.
Run from this false church as fast as you can….no pope can get you into heaven…only Jesus can do that.
By just sayin'
February 28, 2007 4:55 PM | Link to this
Amy, honey. Jesus, if he ever really existed at all, died over 2000 years ago! How can a dead jewish rabbi get you into heaven?
By just sayin'
February 28, 2007 4:58 PM | Link to this
And when it comes to parents being responsible: the average I.Q. in this country is 100! You expect more from people with that kind of brain power? I’m grateful it’s not worse.
By Troglodyke
March 1, 2007 9:51 AM | Link to this
Here’s a question that has nothing to do with the topic today.
Why did the bank just hand over a large amount of money to 2 unarmed teenage girls?
Could the teller not have refused them? What would they have done? Stomped off to their rooms and slammed the doors? Hit the teller with their i-Pods?
I’m so sick of the message this sort of thing sends to criminals. No weapon? No problem! This is the age of rampant terrorism! We’re all scared out of our minds! Take it all, with just a finger inside a coat!
I’m glad I’m not a teller. I’d have just laughed at them.
By Matthew
March 1, 2007 9:54 AM | Link to this
Run from this false church as fast as you can….no pope can get you into heaven…only Jesus can do that.
aw, the concepts of the Religiously Superior
gotta love it.
By Mara
March 1, 2007 10:06 AM | Link to this
From the Metro section, Cherokee County - Cherokee Shrine Club president Sonny Roper is getting “married.” And it’s not just for fun. It’s for a good cause. At 7 p.m. Saturday, the club on Hickory Road in Holly Springs will hold a “Womanless Wedding” where Roper will play the “bride.” Admission is $3, with all proceeds benefiting Shriners Hospitals for Children.
LMFAO!!! Now gay marriage is a uncontraversial fund-raiser and spectator sport for Freemasons!
oh…and a big ol’ “Thank You” to Diane and Shaunti for dealing with the spam…(/snark)
Jack - does your dog like Spam cuz I feel a new recipe commin’ on! LOL!
By chuck
March 1, 2007 11:35 AM | Link to this
NetB, I’ll answer your easier question first about working on the curriculum. In 1983 Georgia passed QBE, the “Quality Basic Education” Act. QBE brought together teachers from around the state, really for the first time, to work on the curriculums for their own courses. What came from those meetings was a document called the QCC or Quality Core Curriculum. It was a set of “standards” that were developed for each course taught in the state of Georgia from Kindergarten through 12th grade. While it was a decent idea in principle it did not do so well in practice. Students were tested on this curriculum and did not do real well. Part of the reason for this was that tests did not really match the curriculum. There was no real accountability built in for schools or teachers and many experienced teachers just kept teaching what they had always taught rather than the new curriculum.
After a few short years, the assessment (CBA or Curriculum Based Assessment, I think it was called), was abandoned so that they could develop a new test. They came up with an early version of the test that we use now called the CRCT or Criterion Referenced Competency Test. We gave it for a couple of years and then it disappeared. It was revamped after the 2nd or 3rd revision of the QCC’s and we have been using it for several years now.
The recent news you have heard about Curriculum Revision came about as a result of an independent audit of the state curricula. The general consensus was that the QCC’s were “a mile wide and an inch deep”. Too much breadth and not enough depth. The NEW curriculum is supposed to have fixed these problems and should (with any luck) take us at least 15-20 years. It will be fully implemented over the next 2 years and we will begin to see the fruits of all that work I believe. The curriculum has been aligned through the new curriculum called GPS or Georgia Performance Standards and should flow seamlessly from K-12 in each subject area. It is more rigorous than the QCC’s and calls for understanding rather than rote memorization. Only time will tell, but I’m hopeful.
As for your main question about how to fix education, I’ll try to tackle that one later today.
By chuck
March 1, 2007 11:49 AM | Link to this
BTW, NetB, This from another article in AJC on the GPS:
Led by School Superintendent Kathy Cox and the State Board of Education, creating a new standards-based curriculum that has been ranked in the top five state curriculums in the nation by Fordham Foundation
By NetBanker
March 1, 2007 6:13 PM | Link to this
I was an “80’s” high school kid, and I never would have dreamed of not turning in an assignment! Monica, I grew up in the same era and have the same thought. My parents would have given me the lecture about responsibility rather than contact a teacher to beg for an extension…any begging would have been my job.
Oh, but things are so incredibly different from back then. My senior year I contracted mono and was out of school for almost a month. I kept up on assignments through friends bringing me my homework and tutoring me as well as weekly calls to my teachers. My French teacher actually came to my house once a week for 2 hours to review assignments, answer questions, and administer quizzes.
I realize that there are numerous problems, but I ask about ONE because I make my teams go through this exercise when multiple problems are identified. We try to prioritize the problems and then focus on the top issue. One of the criteria for determining the first issue to be addressed is which is causing the MOST pain and will provide the most relief. The approach also keeps you from becoming overwhelmed by numbers of things to be fixed.
Chuck…thanks for the insight and info on the curriculum. It always pays to go to those in know for information.
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And the women have virtually disappeared from this blog NOT because we can’t hold our own arguing with the men, but because we simply don’t like YOU, ya flea-bitten cur. Nor do we want to waste our breath arguing with an egotistical blow-hard…
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unless the “average” includes the costs to “travel” to and from work, guess I fall waaaaayyyyyy into the bottom percentile of the averaging. (sigh) Boy I need a vacation.
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March 2, 2007 3:25 PM | Link to this
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Many of us hate you, but persist without whining, mmmmkay.
Jack, Because they have better firewalls and/or login/passwords to access the blog.
Lilly, Maybe because you women, in general, do not know how to use your stuff and we are prone to fix problems with the tools we have, not the tools we wish for.
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March 2, 2007 3:28 PM | Link to this
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By JokesOnYou
March 2, 2007 3:54 PM | Link to this
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March 2, 2007 3:55 PM | Link to this
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By Lily Toad
March 2, 2007 4:02 PM | Link to this
What is this — insult time? The last three posts have been nothing but insults.
By lozen
March 2, 2007 4:04 PM | Link to this
Thank you, justsayin’! I’ve always aspired to be an “intellect” just because it’s so different from your typical southener!
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March 2, 2007 4:04 PM | Link to this
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March 2, 2007 4:05 PM | Link to this
just sayin’,
I agree. I just show up to watch the train wrecks now.
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March 2, 2007 4:07 PM | Link to this
Lozen is a typical ivory tower intellect
I have to be honest and say I took this as sarcasm.
lol, my bad if not.
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March 2, 2007 4:10 PM | Link to this
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Is it an abortion when soldiers, following the orders of their commander in chief, drop bombs on hundreds of pregnant women, born babies and born children in Iraq?
By lurker
March 2, 2007 4:13 PM | Link to this
Yeah, it’s sad when all people can do is criticize. My mother, rest her soul, used to say: If you can’t say something good, just don’t say anything. Of course she’s dead now for four years and what the hell did she know anyway?
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March 2, 2007 4:14 PM | Link to this
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Sad isn’t it? A small pen#s is no big deal for a man who knows how to use other things well - like fingers, tongues, etc. But then it is a big deal because so few men know how to use other things! “A man trying to make love to a woman is like an ape trying to play a Stradivarius!”
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Hahahaha! I’ll meet your sorry a anytime and we’ll see who has spine limp stick*
And Jack would kick your a-s-s, boy.
hahahahah
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March 2, 2007 4:21 PM | Link to this
Hahahaha! I’ll meet your sorry a anytime and we’ll see who has spine limp stick.*
You gonna bark all day little puppy, or you gonna bite? Your nothing but a pu%%y whipped boy.
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You know what? I have nothing going on this Sunday, so lets actually do this.
We will agree that no lawsuits are filed after and then I’ll whip your a* like your momma used to.
I’ll see you Sunday in front of the old Star Bar in little five points. They are used to fights there and we will not stand out.
What time on sunday do you want you a$$ beating? Anytime works for me.
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Lozen,
Nor should you care.
I just simply never heard anything from you on a subject. I have only heard your view on other bloggers.
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Maybe because the world is not all about you, although you would like to believe it is.
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I will be there most of the day actually, since I have a gig in little 5 points that night.
I’ll expect you to show up and not pu$$y out on me. Ill be there from 1pm-8pm wearing a red hat, combat boots and a tie (fyi - I am in a kind of a indi-punk band). So, I should be easy to spot. How should I know you?
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They don’t think size matters to women, it just matters to themselves and to other men, with whom they are competitive.
That is what I thought before I was with a guy who opened my eyes (not to mention other stuff) to that myth, but alas, my heart belongs to women.
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Lily Toad, lack of imagination is right! A man asked me once, “what can women do together?” I just laughed.
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Then go ahead and buy the enhancements. There might be some links still on the page up above.
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