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By 2D

November 6, 2006 07:49 AM | Link to this

Sorry Diane… Being open minded is not solely about having new ideas. Being open minded is about considering new ideas or points of view that may differ from your own. If a person can honestly say they’ve done that, then they are open-minded, irregardless of one’s final conclusion.

By mb

November 6, 2006 08:13 AM | Link to this

Sure, I’m liberal and I’m by far more open minded than my conservative friends.

By SusieHomeMaker

November 6, 2006 08:34 AM | Link to this

Conservatives have openly and vehmently opposed anything named Clinton. They refuse to give him ANY props for taking our country out of a 20+ year deficit and leaving the country with a surplus, (they claim the turn-around came with Reagan, they conveniently forget Reagan’s Star Wars Money Laundering Scheme), they hounded the man and his family, spent millions of dollars trying to get him impeached over extra-marital sex, and from plain meanness and hate. And now Shaunti has the gumption to say that “Today, most liberals seem to detest conservative ideas – and conservative leaders like President Bush. Where is the open-mindedness in that?” Is she serious?

By The72John

November 6, 2006 08:45 AM | Link to this

Way back before super-ideologues like Nancy Pelosi started enforcing Democratic closed-mindedness, a standard “liberal�? value was the free exchange of ideas, in which differences were respected, even if not agreed with. Today, most liberals seem to detest conservative ideas – and conservative leaders like President Bush. Where is the open-mindedness in that?

Funny…I thought that the super-ideologues started a wee bit before Nancy Pelosi. Or maybe Shaunti has forgotten the vicious campaign by the Republicans that Newt Gingrich fanned the flames of, or forgotten the angry rhetorical anti-Democratic rantings of Delay and Hastert and their friends, or forgotten that loud-mouthed jackanapes like Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter have dedicated their careers to turning “liberal” into an epithet.

I’m not saying there isn’t plenty of ear-closing on both sides, but Shaunti’s wide-eyed innocence and, let’s face it - ignorance - are too much to bear.

By Mara

November 6, 2006 08:59 AM | Link to this

2D - well said! I think that Shaunti is confusing “open-minded” with “agrrement”. If you don’t agree with a conservative that means you’re “close-minded” to their view? No, it just means that you disagree with them. And since the very definintion of “conservative” focuses on maintaining the tried-and-true traditional points-of-view, it’s not easy to find a “conservative value” that hasn’t already been debated and disected ad nauseam. Most, if not all, conservative ideas have been considered without prejudice and on their own intrinsic value. If emotional, faith-based nostaligia failed to carry the day, if the “that’s how it’s always been” arguement is unpersuasive, well…that doesn’t prove “close-mindedness” on the part of liberals, merely the flaws in the tradition.

By lovelyliz

November 6, 2006 09:04 AM | Link to this

Actions always speak louder than words. Look at the leadership, legislation and causes that conservatives and liberals support and the efffects they have and then decide who is more open minded.

By chuck

November 6, 2006 09:06 AM | Link to this

Dictionary.com defines o‧pen-mind‧ed this way:

o‧pen-mind‧ed 

–adjective

I hate to say it, but neither conservatives nor liberals fit the second definition. As for the first definition, I think both groups are RECEPTIVE to new ideas. The difference is that Conservatives have enough common sense to filter out the BAD ONES.

By chuck

November 6, 2006 09:07 AM | Link to this

BTW 2d, “irregardless” is not a word.

By Brian Curtis

November 6, 2006 09:19 AM | Link to this

I’m curious… what exactly is Shaunti referring to when she complains about the “anti-Christian public school curricula”? Could it be the recognition that public schools aren’t an appropriate forum for Christian preaching?

I guess that’s “close-minded” too.

By 2D

November 6, 2006 09:24 AM | Link to this

Chuck… From www.Dictionary.com. It may be non-standard but is a recognized word.

ir‧re‧gard‧less  Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[ir-i-gahrd-lis] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation

–adverb Nonstandard.

[Origin: 1910–15; ir-2 (prob. after irrespective) + regardless]

—Usage note Irregardless is considered nonstandard because of the two negative elements ir- and -less. It was probably formed on the analogy of such words as irrespective, irrelevant, and irreparable. Those who use it, including on occasion educated speakers, may do so from a desire to add emphasis. Irregardless first appeared in the early 20th century and was perhaps popularized by its use in a comic radio program of the 1930s.

By Chilao

November 6, 2006 09:30 AM | Link to this

Wow, my two posts from late Friday, when this topic was posted, have been REMOVED! That is certainly one way to lessen the number of posters!

in a nutshell, slugs do not like salt shakers because the contents kills them. DUH!

By The72John

November 6, 2006 09:32 AM | Link to this

unprejudiced; unbigoted; impartial

Well, we know that Chuck is not open-minded. His own definition proves it.

I hate to say it, but neither conservatives nor liberals fit the second definition

You hate to say it? You embrace it. It’s your raison d’etre.

The difference is that Conservatives have enough common sense to filter out the BAD ONES.

yawn. Boring. Typical. All our ideas are right, all your ideas are wrong…doesn’t this attitude EPITOMIZE close-mindedness?

Thanks, Chuck, for coming in this morning and acting as exhibits A, B and C.

Now, run along - don’t you have a male prostitute to buy meth from?

By smalltownlib

November 6, 2006 09:44 AM | Link to this

This might be the appropriate place for this comment on the Haggard affair. I caught a TV interview with a supportive female parishioner of his who said, “He is a good, GOOD man. What he did is nothing different than any one of us has done or has been tempted to do, or will be tempted to do.” That position, of course, is neither liberal nor conservative. It is Christian and it is “open-minded” in the truest sense—recognizing the human frailities, or “sinfulness,” of all, with compassion. If only all Christians, liberal, moderate, conservative and fundamentalist, would both preach and live by that kind of open-mindedness, the Kingdom of God on Earth would come. I must clarify, however, that Haggard’s “sin” was not homosexuality or bisexuality. It was his failure to be, honestly and openly, the person God created him to be, which includes his God-given sexual orientation. The moral of his story, and so many others, is that sexual orientation is not manufactured by culture or chosen by the individual. Finally, the parishioner quoted above unwittingly tells the truth: A person can be “good” AND homosexual. If conservative Christians would adopt that truth, they could put an end to the self-hating emotional and spiritual torment so many good men and women like Rev. Haggard go through, hurting so many others in the process.

By chuck

November 6, 2006 09:47 AM | Link to this

From http://www.getitwriteonline.com/archive/081002.htm

This tip could be summed up in a single sentence: do not use “irregardless.”

While it is certainly a commonly heard word, its usage is considered substandard because the word is illogical. “Regardless” already means “without regard,” so when we add the negative prefix “ir-,” we create a double negative. In essence, we end up saying “not without regard,” which means, of course, “with regard”—the opposite of what we intend.

Using the word “irregardless” is an easy mistake to make. After all, we say “irrespective” to mean “without respect to,” so it is natural to jump to the conclusion that “irregardless” means “without regard.” But the difference between these two words is the suffix “-less,” which itself makes “regardless” negative.

By 2D

November 6, 2006 09:57 AM | Link to this

Chuck… Thanks for the grammar lesson.

Unfortunately, your post stated “irregardless” was not a word and I showed you that it was, using the same website you referenced in your definition of “open minded”. Is it proper, formal English. No. Oh well, I guess when you don’t like someone’s opinion, you need to find a reason to discredit them. If using a non-standard word is the worst arrows you can thros at me, then I’m doing all right.

By Chilao

November 6, 2006 10:01 AM | Link to this

If many people use the word ‘irregardless’ it will become a word, regardless(or should I say irregardless..LOL) of proper-ness of English.

ditto on the word “alot”.

Usage determines a word, ain’t that so?

By Jack

November 6, 2006 10:09 AM | Link to this

They make us go through blog withdraws last week and give us this subject? Come now ladies you can do much better than that.

Auburn plays Georgia next week. The tigers will eat well. The bees will sting the dogs when they play and I’m looking forward to that too.

Haggart should have come clean from the beginning. His wife must love him a lot.

By Mara

November 6, 2006 10:10 AM | Link to this

since we’re having English lessons today - from Roget’s New Millenium Thesaurus

Main Entry: broad-minded

Part of Speech: adjective

Definition: liberal

Synonyms: advanced, catholic, cosmopolitan, dispassionate, flexible, free-thinking, indulgent, liberal, open, open-minded, permissive, progressive, radical, receptive, responsive, tolerant, unbiased, unbigoted, undogmatic, unprejudiced

Antonyms: biased, bigoted, close-minded, dogmatic, narrow-minded, prejudiced

okay. Did anyone notice that the very definition of “open-minded” is liberal?

By Mara

November 6, 2006 10:12 AM | Link to this

Chilao - loved this one btw, in a nutshell, slugs do not like salt shakers because the contents kills them

By Jack

November 6, 2006 10:13 AM | Link to this

isn’t that “ear regardless” ?

By Mara

November 6, 2006 10:17 AM | Link to this

Jack - it could be “eerie guardless” ;^)

By chuck

November 6, 2006 10:20 AM | Link to this

Actually smalltown, there is a problem with the statement that you made:

A person can be “good�? AND homosexual. If conservative Christians would adopt that truth, they could put an end to the self-hating emotional and spiritual torment so many good men and women like Rev. Haggard go through, hurting so many others in the process.

It isn’t true. It goes against Biblical teachings.

Psalm 14:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good. Psalm 14:1-3 (in Context) Psalm 14 (Whole Chapter) Psalm 14:3 They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one. Psalm 14:2-4 (in Context) Psalm 14 (Whole Chapter) Psalm 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good. Psalm 53:1-3 (in Context) Psalm 53 (Whole Chapter) Psalm 53:3 Every one of them is gone back: they are altogether become filthy; there is none that doeth good, no, not one. Psalm 53:2-4 (in Context) Psalm 53 (Whole Chapter) Jeremiah 4:22 For my people is foolish, they have not known me; they are sottish children, and they have none understanding: they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge. Jeremiah 4:21-23 (in Context) Jeremiah 4 (Whole Chapter) Micah 7:2 The good man is perished out of the earth: and there is none upright among men: they all lie in wait for blood; they hunt every man his brother with a net. Micah 7:1-3 (in Context) Micah 7 (Whole Chapter) Matthew 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. Matthew 19:16-18 (in Context) Matthew 19 (Whole Chapter) Mark 10:18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God. Mark 10:17-19 (in Context) Mark 10 (Whole Chapter) Luke 18:19 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God. Luke 18:18-20 (in Context) Luke 18 (Whole Chapter) Romans 3:12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one. Romans 3:11-13 (in Context) Romans 3 (Whole Chapter)

You see smalltown, the Bible does not teach that “WE” are good and “THEY” are bad. It teaches that NOBODY in and of themselves is good. What happened in the Garden would repeat itself over and over again without the redemptive power of the CROSS. It is the power of YIELDING our lives to His control that allows us to overcome SIN. When we willfully sin, whether it is in the area of homosexuality or greed or any other sin we step outside the authority of the Lordship of Christ. If he is a believer, his only option is to repent or turn AWAY from his sin of immorality and turn back to Christ.

Either way, I think just as with Swaggert (adulterous heterosexual relationship) Bakker (stealing money and defrauding believers) and many others who have fallen, it disqualifies him from public ministry for a LONG, LONG, TIME. He may never be able to regain a position of trust in the church.

By The72John

November 6, 2006 10:34 AM | Link to this

It isn’t true. It goes against Biblical teachings.

This should replace the current definition of “close-minded” in the bible.

Keep it up, Chuck - you are proving with every post how truly “open minded” conservatives like you are.

By The72John

November 6, 2006 10:38 AM | Link to this

in the DICTIONARY…in the DICTIONARY.

By Jack

November 6, 2006 10:40 AM | Link to this

Wasn’t Aristotle, Socrates and DaVinci homosexual?

By SusieHomeMaker

November 6, 2006 10:43 AM | Link to this

ok i’m confused. why is that statement not correct? i think u CAN be good and homosexual. Homosexuality is a definition for sexual orientation NOT a judge of someone’s character!!! u can be good and homosexual and BAD and heterosexual.

By Lily Toad

November 6, 2006 10:46 AM | Link to this

I know some liberals who are very intolerant of any view different than their own, so in this way they could be considered not open-minded. When Air America was on the air in Atlanta I used to listen to Randi Rhodes in the afternoon and Jerry Springer in the morning. When Randi got a caller who disagreed with her she would yell and cut them off like the right wing DJ’s. If Jerry got a caller who disagreed with him Jerry would listen and argue without being combative. This may just be a matter of style, but I think it is more conducive to constructive conversation to discuss your views without just shutting the other person off.

One of my co-workers is very conservative and we would debate issues. Others thought we were fighting, but as she would say “I respect your intelligence, so I want to know how you can believe what you do.” Neither of us could change the other’s mind but we would at least listen to each other and try to understand the other’s viewpoint.

By The72John

November 6, 2006 10:53 AM | Link to this

i think u CAN be good and homosexual. Homosexuality is a definition for sexual orientation NOT a judge of someone’s character!!! u can be good and homosexual and BAD and heterosexual

Well, because religious fundamentalists like Chuck are, in fact, pathologically close-minded. Homosexual = bad, period. Chuck and others like him don’t take a person’s behavior into consideration, ever - their only measure of a person’s “goodness” is how closely that person aligns with their own religious beliefs.

People who don’t share their religious beliefs are evil and people who do are good - it’s that simple. A gay person could devote his entire life to serving others, give away all his time and all his worldly posessions to charity, bring about world peace and cure cancer, but to Chuck he would still be “a bad person”.

Narrow-mindedness, meet your living, breathing embodiment.

By Forrest Gump

November 6, 2006 10:58 AM | Link to this

Chuck-I’m interested in your “overcoming sin” concept: (1) Can only “Christians” overcome sin? (2) Once you have “overcome sin”, presumably by being “saved”, does that mean you are immune from future sin as well? (3) In a practical accounting of wrongdoing, do “Christians” sin less than others?

By Mara

November 6, 2006 11:00 AM | Link to this

is this an example of conservatives empiracle open-mindedness?

It isn’t true. It goes against Biblical teachings

you notice, smalltownlib, that there is one reason and one reason only given to reject gays as “eeeee-ville”. Pure faith. They’re evil because chuck and his ilk believe they are evil. No evidence of decency on the part of gays will be accepted. No amount of good acts, generosity, compassion or kindness will ever erase the distortion through which chuck’s type of conservative views gays. Never. They simply can’t take the cognitive dissonance between what their religious beliefs tell them and real-world evidence to the contrary.

By kimberly

November 6, 2006 11:05 AM | Link to this

Shaunti says: “Way back before super-ideologues like Nancy Pelosi started enforcing Democratic closed-mindedness….”

Er…. Um…. WHAT? Does she just make this crap up EVERY DAY? I must have missed the threatening letters from the Democratic Party coercing me to be closed minded. I missed the phone calls, memos, emails, and public broadcasts to that effect as well.

In fact, I fully support the rights of individuals to remain virgins until marriage, take their kids to church three times a week, abstain from alcohol and drugs, send half their money to TV evangelists, and vote for whichever fascist candidate they like. I’ll not presume to tell these people that their way of life is “wrong” as long as they don’t force ME to do it. And I won’t scream that “they’re forcing their way of life down my throat!” if I happen to see Chuckie kiss his wife at the mall or the park.

It’s called FREEDOM. Don’t f—k with mine, and I won’t b—-h about yours!

By Chilao

November 6, 2006 11:06 AM | Link to this

do “Christians�? sin less than others?

Of course not, they are merely Forgiven.

We all liking the He Said, He Said? (compliments of NBC News The Today Show this weekend, LOL).

What is worse is the PNP stuff. dang. (party/via meth and play/in the bedroom = PNP)

By Lily Toad

November 6, 2006 11:08 AM | Link to this

When I see someone quoting the bible in support of their problem with homosexuality my mind clamps shut and I ignore their post. First, I don’t believe that a book written several centuries ago dictates how I should live my life, and second, the bible is quoted selectively to bolster whatever someone’s agenda is.

By chuck

November 6, 2006 11:09 AM | Link to this

72skidoo, I don’t know anybody who is open-minded about EVERYTHING. Especially you. You are completely CLOSED to the idea that homosexuality could be a sin.

You are completely closed to the idea that the Bible is true.

You are completely closed to the idea that Christians are loving, helpful members of society who just happen to think your chose lifestyle is a sin.

You are closed to the idea that even though Christians (and more importantly God and His Word) disagree with your lifestyle, it doesn’t make them bigots OR make them HATE you or any other homosexual.

You are closed to the idea that you could EVER be WRONG.

Does this list prove that you are a close-minded bigot? No, just that you are close-minded about SOME things. I’m sure you are open-minded about SOME things. They just haven’t been mentioned on this blog in the past couple of years. I’m certain we will find out what those things are ONE DAY.

By Forrest Gump

November 6, 2006 11:11 AM | Link to this

Chuck, my friend Stevie Wonder has a question for you. Please go to this link, scroll down to Listen to Samples, and click on 6. Jesus Children of America and listen. SusieHomemaker, you can click on 4. Golden Lady for a nice musical break in your busy day. ; > ]

http://www.amazon.com/Innervisions-Stevie-Wonder/dp/B00004S363/sr=8-4/qid=1162828967/ref=pdbbssr_4/102-1034819-0264148?ie=UTF8&s=music

By Lily Toad

November 6, 2006 11:17 AM | Link to this

Christians are loving, helpful members of society who just happen to think your chose lifestyle is a sin.

Not all Christians think this!! Many, many Christians believe that love is good, regardless (or irregardless) of the genders of the persons in love.

By chuck

November 6, 2006 11:21 AM | Link to this

72, if you were honest, you would have actually read the entire post and found that your 10:53 is a blatant LIE. Every one of the verses I quoted point out the fact that NOBODY is “good”. That applies to me as much as to you.

Forrest:

1)The Christian overcomes sin ONLY by yielding his or her life to Christ. The Bible teaches that Christ IN US overcomes sin.

2)Christians are not immune to “further sin”, with ONE exception. We are immune to the ONLY sin that ever sent anyone to HELL…the sin of “Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit” which is basically rejection of Christ as Savior and Lord. Christianity is not a vaccine. As believers we still have a free will. The difference is that Christ paid the penalty for our sins, PAST, PRESENT, AND FUTURE. That does not relieve us of responsibility for those sins. There are consequences for the sinning believer.

3)I believe that Christians as a practical matter sin less than non-believers. The Bible teaches that when we become Christians, we are a NEW CREATION. Our desire becomes to serve Christ and to NOT serve sin. If there is no change in that regard, I don’t think that a conversion experience has occurred.

By Forrest Gump

November 6, 2006 11:29 AM | Link to this

Of course, the dogmatic Christians always tell me to 6. Get Off My Cloud when I plead with them to have some 3. Sympathy For the Devil. But then again, 7. You Can’t Always Get What You Want.

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By chuck

November 6, 2006 11:30 AM | Link to this

OOPS, earlier post should have said “chosen” lifestyle instead of “chose”.

By 2D

November 6, 2006 11:31 AM | Link to this

Chuck… That is a very unfair statement for you to make to John. He very well may have considered all angles of whether homosexuality is a “sin” and decided that it was not. That makes him open-minded. Again, as to my first post, open minded is about considering all angles and points of view.

In fact, I would bet, that he made more of a consideration than you did based on your previous posts. Literal interpretations of selected Biblical passages are not the only framework one should take. Martin Luther said that the Bible acts as the “cradle” for one’s faith, and rarely, if ever took the Bible literally. I would imagine he would be a very substantial theologian for you to consider if you are of any Protestant denomination, and given your penchant for knowing scripture, I suspect that you are.

By Mara

November 6, 2006 11:31 AM | Link to this

did ya get that John? Your stubborn refusal to admit that the BIBLE is right and you are eeee-ville just shows how close-minded you really are. If you were open-minded you’d accept at least the possibility of your inherent evilness. If you can’t admit that you just might be eeeeville incarnate, well….how can anyone convince you of the horror that is you if you won’t work with ‘em? HOW, John?

MMMWWWWwaaaaahahahahahahahaha!!!! (cough, cough) A-hem…

mmmmWAWAWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAhahahaha.

By chuck

November 6, 2006 11:32 AM | Link to this

It seems that UGLY DOG has reared his head again in the form of gump. Mamma always said, “Stupid is as stupid does.”

By The72John

November 6, 2006 11:34 AM | Link to this

72skidoo, I don’t know anybody who is open-minded about EVERYTHING. Especially you. You are completely CLOSED to the idea that homosexuality could be a sin.

Yes, because reason tells me that one’s sexual preference has nothing to do with being a good or bad person. Not accepting your belief is not close-minded.

You are completely closed to the idea that Christians are loving, helpful members of society who just happen to think your chose lifestyle is a sin.

No, actually, I’m closed to the idea that YOU personaly are a loving and helpful member of society, and that many other fundamentalists like you similarly lack that capacity. I have seen nothing from you, EVER, to indicate that you are anything but a mean-spirited, cruel, hateful man.

I’m absolutely aware that there are many, many Christians who fit the Loving and helpful definition - you just aren’t one of them.

You are closed to the idea that even though Christians (and more importantly God and His Word) disagree with your lifestyle, it doesn’t make them bigots OR make them HATE you or any other homosexual.

Again - you are a bigot. You are a hateful person. It’s not all Christians, its people like you.

You are closed to the idea that you could EVER be WRONG.

Aren’t you the one a while back who said that you were convinced that every thing you believe is absolutely right? I seem to remembef something along those lines.

The real point, Chuckie, is that you consider anyone who refuses to conform to your dogma close-minded. I consider a million points of view and accept a million kinds of people. You, on the other hand, reject any idea that does not absolutely conform with your dogmatic framework. That makes you more close-minded than anyone else in the world, with the exception of other religious fanatics.

All you have is dogma, Chuck - your every post confirms it. You will never be open to any new idea - ever! You can attempt to twist the world around so that you seem open-minded and everyone else who doesn’t accept your dogma is close-minded all you want - that doesn’t make it true.

But then, twisting things so they fit neatly into your tiny little world is what you people do best, isn’t it.

By Forrest Gump

November 6, 2006 11:35 AM | Link to this

Chuck: (1) Every religion teaches submisson to GOD is the path to salvation. Christianity is not unique in this regard. (2) Although you tried to sidestep the issue, you are ultimately saying that Christians ARE IMMUNE to sin in the sense that the “afterlife” is guaranteed to be great for those in your club, and terrible for those not in your club, regardless of their earthly sins. (3) You are falling back on the tautology that once someone “sins”, it is proof that they weren’t really saved to begin with.

In summary, your theology is weak.

By The72John

November 6, 2006 11:41 AM | Link to this

I got it Mara…I’m still chuckling.

Here’s an alternate version, just to point out how ridiculous it is.

Nazi: You are close-minded, juden - you refuse to even consider the idea that you might be an inferior creature.

Jew: F* off, Nazi.

Nazi: You are close-minded! Nazi’s are good people - we kill you for your own good!

Jew: Seriously, F* off, Nazi.

Nazi: You are close-minded! If you would only admit that the Master-race is superior and that you are polluting the Fatherland, you would not be close-minded!

Jew: Ok…which part of F* OFF did you not understand!?

By 2D

November 6, 2006 11:43 AM | Link to this

Forrest… I don’t know if I would say Chuck’s theology is weak. I would say that it is simple, but I am not sure if that is due to simplistic thinking or simply brevity on a BLOG. I can’t think of any theology that could be completely and clearly explained in short BLOG statements.

By SusieHomeMaker

November 6, 2006 11:45 AM | Link to this

I believe that Christians as a practical matter sin less than non-believers…. Our desire becomes to serve Christ and to NOT serve sin. If there is no change in that regard, I don’t think that a conversion experience has occurred.

How can you tell who is a christian and who is not? The bible teaches us that we can tell them by their works more so than their words, and in that case there are a LOT of people who are talking the talk but not walking the walk.

Can these people be considered Christians, and if so why?

George W. Bush

Dick Cheney

Stephen Jones (President of Bob Jones College)

Jimmy Swaggert

Hillary Clinton

Ted Haggard

Condoleeza Rice

What identifying characteristiscs makes the people listed above christians? Is it the walk or the talk?

By Monica

November 6, 2006 11:45 AM | Link to this

By definition, liberals are broad-minded, and conservatives are those “tending or disposed to maintain existing views” (Webster’s high school dictionary, the only one I have at the moment), which sounds like closed-mindedness. It’s not a stereotype that liberals are open-minded; it’s a trait of being a liberal. It’s a trait that conservatives are close-minded; not a stereotype.

However, liberals and conservatives alike are set in their opinions with regard to political issues, so being open-minded doesn’t necessarily mean that you are open to changing your views. I don’t think Mara would be willing to change her mind about a woman’s rights just because she is a liberal and therefore open-minded. I’m not trying to take any cheap shots, Mara, so please don’t be offended for my using you as an example.

The discussion of “irregardless” is a great illustration of the topic. Being an English teacher, I am close-minded to the fact that “irregardless” could be a word, because it goes against what I have been taught. My good old Webster’s dictionary doesn’t have “irregardless” in it. Those in the non-English education, non ivory-tower world might be completely open to using it as a word. But every college professor I know would protest. No offense to 2D! :)

By 2D

November 6, 2006 11:49 AM | Link to this

John… As difficult as Chuck may be, many people (although I’m sure you ar enot one of them) consider him a very useful and intricate part of our society. I say that because our society requires many points of view in order to best govern a very diverse people.

Chuck and people like him, provide a counterpoint, quite frankly to people like yourself. You two are polar opposites and you would each run rampant on society if the other wasn’t out there to keep everything in check.

By 2D

November 6, 2006 11:55 AM | Link to this

Monica… No offense taken. If I were still in school and pounding out a paper on 19th century English lit, I might be a little more careful about the words I use. However, on the W2W BLOG, if using “irregardless” is the worst thing that comes up, I can live with it.

By The72John

November 6, 2006 11:56 AM | Link to this

You two are polar opposites and you would each run rampant on society if the other wasn’t out there to keep everything in check.

I assure you, I have no interest in “running rampant” on society. And frankly, being a polar opposite to Chuck is a compliment.

By Forrest Gump

November 6, 2006 11:57 AM | Link to this

2D, Take everything Chuck is saying, and substitute the word “Muslim” whenever he says “Christian”, “Allah” for “Christ”, etc. and you will have Islamic theology in a nutshell. While each side argues vehemently about TRUTH, it seems to me to be more of a matter of “pack mentality” in choosing a religion than anything else. I’m not saying this to insult you, but trying to put religious beliefs in a wider context in which it no longer serves as a focal point for our natural aggressions toward those dissimilar to us.

By Jack

November 6, 2006 12:05 PM | Link to this

“I can’t sing, I ain’t pretty and my legs are thin.”

By Forrest Gump

November 6, 2006 12:13 PM | Link to this

Howdy, Jack. If you have speakers on your computer at work, go to the link below, scroll down to Listen to Samples, and click on 2. Bridge of Sighs and 3. In This Place for a blast form the past!

http://www.amazon.com/Bridge-Sighs-Robin-Trower/dp/B00000JPYD/sr=8-1/qid=1162833087/ref=pdbbssr_1/102-1034819-0264148?ie=UTF8&s=music

By Lily Toad

November 6, 2006 12:16 PM | Link to this

For what it’s worth, my Webster’s Ninth Collegiate does have Irregardless. I had to look it up when Chuck said it wasn’t a word.

By 2D

November 6, 2006 12:30 PM | Link to this

Forrest…

Sorry, but I gotta disagree with you. While I am not a Muslim scholar (nor did I stay in Hoiday Inn Express last night), no where in the Christian faith is there a teaching to be violent toward those who are not of the same faith. Yes there are stories in the Old Testament of the Hebrew people doing that, but that is not part of the basic Christian faith. Have people throughout history done those terrible things??? Absolutely. But IMO that is attributed more to human failings that core teachings and that practice has gone the way of the dodo for several centuries.

Also…

Many Christians stand out against publically against people like Chuck and his fundamental views. For example, the Episcopal Chuch in America took their stand for the homosexual community in the face of steep dissention. I don’t see ANYONE in the Muslim community taking a stand in opposition to Bin Laden and other extreme teachings in the Muslim community.

One other thing… I don’t believe at all in your “pack mentality” statement. And, quite frankly, there is not need to apologize in advance b/c I do not take your statement as an insult. Nothing that you or John or anyone else on this BLOG say will not ever shake my faith. I think what Chuck doesn’t understand is his faith should enable him to live in the world without it being exactly the way he believes it to be.

By SusieHomeMaker

November 6, 2006 12:32 PM | Link to this

While each side argues vehemently about TRUTH, it seems to me to be more of a matter of “pack mentality�? in choosing a religion than anything else.

BINGO!!! I find that to be so true!! I’m of “mixed” religious heritage, (Baptist and Catholic). My parents never pushed one religion over the other they allowed me to make my own choice when I came of age. While researching different religions I had to ask why* are people certain religions — when I asked others this question directly none of them said “I’m this religion because I feel that this religion brings me closer to God”; however **all of them said, “I was brought up this way”. They have never questioned why; just went along with tradition.

By 2D

November 6, 2006 12:32 PM | Link to this

John… I’m glad you took that as a compliment. It was meant to be. Even though I disagree with you on many things, you are you, and that is what our society needs.

By SusieHomeMaker

November 6, 2006 12:33 PM | Link to this

Jack — The Color Purple!!!

By Jack

November 6, 2006 12:38 PM | Link to this

I would have to turn it up too loud. Saw him at the old Municiple Auditorium back when I was young and spry. I was surprised to see that he didn’t sing but sat back and picked up a storm. They tried to compare him to Hendrix but that is apples and oranges.

By Forrest Gump

November 6, 2006 12:38 PM | Link to this

Hey Susie! I hope you saw my musical hello to you at 11:11, Golden Lady by Stevie Wonder. Where were you the past few weeks? I missed your insightful commentary.

By Monica

November 6, 2006 12:41 PM | Link to this

SusieHomemaker,

Ray Stevens would have called you a “Captist.” LOL It was in one of his songs about getting a haircut out of town.

2D, I love what you said in your 12:30 post!

By Chilao

November 6, 2006 12:46 PM | Link to this

Susie adds humour to the blog with The Color Purple. Now that MAY describe a The Color Purple character, but…LOL

that’s a Fleetwood Mac song.

I also ended up with the same conclusion, MOST people end up with the religion in which they were raised and also because it is expected of them. World-wide.

By Forrest Gump

November 6, 2006 12:52 PM | Link to this

Nice Fleetwood Mac reference from you earlier, Jack. The “Fleetwood Mac” album is definitely a classic, although “Rumours” got all the attention and awards a few years later. The songs Warm Ways, Rhiannon, Crystal, and Landslide are true creative genius.

Another small point of musical trivia is that a lot of folks don’t realize that Fleetwood Mac existed long before Stevie Nicks and Lindsey Buckingham joined them circa 1973. Bob Welch was the lead guitarist before Buckingham took over. Welch’s single hit “Sentimental Lady” appeared on the Fleetwood Mac album Bare Trees which came out in 1972.

By Forrest Gump

November 6, 2006 12:57 PM | Link to this

Chilao, I know you HATE to repeat yourself, but what year were you born? I’m guessing 1958 by your musical tastes. Are you a fan of Genesis? Some of my most memorable concert experiences were in seeing Genesis. I love the old Peter Gabriel stuff, like “Foxtrot”, but also have a great personal connection to later albums like “The Wind and the Wuthering”, “Trick of the Tail”, and “…And Then There Were Three…”.

By Chilao

November 6, 2006 01:00 PM | Link to this

Bare Trees, grey light, oh ya, it was a cold night.

By SusieHomeMaker

November 6, 2006 01:11 PM | Link to this

Forrest: Yes I did catch the tune, thanks!

Monica: I took me five whole minutes to get that joke!! I’m gonna blame it on my phones ringing off the hook here, and not because I’m just slow today!

2D: I’ve read the Koran before, and nowhere did I see any talk of violence and nowhere is there a teaching to be violent toward those who are not of the same faith. Most religions are founded on peace, self awareness, a higher understanding of your universe/spirituality in relation to your god, and a better understanding of that religion’s god and/or disciple.

By Forrest Gump

November 6, 2006 01:12 PM | Link to this

Ok, Chilao, you’ve got musical creds in my book for the “Thoughts on a Grey Day”. Hopefully you didn’t just google that. I’ve still got the original Bare Trees on vinyl, never replaced it with a CD.

I kind of miss the vinyl albums only because they were big, and often contained lyric books. I’ve got several original albums with lyric books, such as Elton John’s “Tumbleweed Connection”. So, buddy, “Where to Now, St. Peter?”

By Forrest Gump

November 6, 2006 01:15 PM | Link to this

So where to now St. Peter

If it’s true I’m in your hands

I may not be a Christian

But I’ve done all one man can

I understand I’m on the road

Where all that was is gone

So where to now St. Peter

Show me which road I’m on

Which road I’m on

By Renee

November 6, 2006 01:18 PM | Link to this

Chuck - your endless rants really get old. You are closed-minded in every example of the word. YOU think the Bible is the ONLY way and the ONLY truth. YOU think YOUR way is the only right way, and YOU are not open to ANY other suggestion. I don’t remember who brought the point up earlier, but OPEN-MINDED does not equate AGREEMENT. This holier than thou attitude is really tiresome.

I am not liberal or conservative, but lean more towards the more liberal side of libertarian. Liberals are absolutely more open to suggestions, differences among people. People who aren’t open minded usually have a superiority complex of sorts.

By SusieHomeMaker

November 6, 2006 01:19 PM | Link to this

Susie adds humour to the blog with The Color Purple. Now that MAY describe a The Color Purple character, but…LOL that’s a Fleetwood Mac song.

What!!!??!! It’s a song!!??!! Heck it’s also sounds like one of my favorite lines from the Color Purple!!

“I’m black, poor, female, I ain’t pretty, can’t sing and I’ve got legs like a baseball bat, but I’m still here.”

By Chilao

November 6, 2006 01:21 PM | Link to this

1956; I was NEVER a Genesis, Journey, ELO, BTO, Collins, Boston, or Kansas fan. It took THE CARS to bring me back to rock(from jazz). Rock 1974-1980 means nothing to me. Didn’t hear it then so do not have the cultural references of ‘i was here… when that song played’ kind of stuff. Besides I was a busy hardworking student(paid my own way, school fulltime and worked fulltime) most of that time-frame as well. Neil Young’s Comes a Time helped me come back to rock as well.

By Chilao

November 6, 2006 01:22 PM | Link to this

No, I did not just google Bare Trees, that came right off the mind. LOL. That was actually a really nice album I had in vinyl.

By Forrest Gump

November 6, 2006 01:27 PM | Link to this

And one more from Tumbleweed Connection, Love Song:

You say it’s very hard

To leave behind the life we knew

But there’s no other way

And now it’s really up to you

Love is the key we must turn

Truth is the flame we must burn

Freedom the lesson we must learn

Do you know what I mean

Have your eyes really seen

By Jack

November 6, 2006 01:29 PM | Link to this

“Aqualung my friend, don’t start away uneasy you poor old sod, you see it’s only me.”

By Renee

November 6, 2006 01:33 PM | Link to this

I have so many favorite lines from The Color Purple LOL

By Jack

November 6, 2006 01:34 PM | Link to this

“Niel Young will remember, a Southern man don’t need him around anyhow.”

By 2D

November 6, 2006 01:36 PM | Link to this

Susie… Interesting. You are the first person who has indicated that nowhere in the Koran is there the talk of violence or violence toward those not of the same faith. Even the Muslim scholars I’ve heard on the radio or in person site passages referencing such things and subsequently state that they may be taken out of context.

However, even if there was NOTHING in the Koran to indicate such things, mainstream Islam does not speak out against it. At the very best, they stay quiet and say nothing. That can only lead me to believe one of two things: either they are fearful to say something or they agree.

By Chilao

November 6, 2006 01:38 PM | Link to this

Jack - my sister once told me that she saw HIM in concert, I asked WHO? she said “Jethro Tull”. I LMAO and let her know the flutist was Ian Anderson. (she did not know, thought the guy up there playing the flute was named Jethro Tull)

which one is Pink?, after all. LOL

By Jack

November 6, 2006 01:38 PM | Link to this

Mustn’t forget Yes.

By NetBanker

November 6, 2006 01:39 PM | Link to this

Hey kids! Hope everyone is doing well.

Christians are loving, helpful members of society… I don’t even know where to begin on this one other than to think that while this certainly does apply to many Christians it most certainly does not apply to a preponderance of them.

Chuck does have a valid point about all of us being somewhat closed to opposing ideas. I see a difference though in terms of action. It is one thing to listen and to an opposing idea and then discard it based on the merits of the idea. It is another to discard the idea simply because it is vastly different than one’s own.

You are closed to the idea that even though Christians (and more importantly God and His Word) disagree with your lifestyle, it doesn’t make them bigots OR make them HATE you or any other homosexual. Chuck I agree with your statement above. What makes some christians bigots and those who HATE is that they take action on their beliefs that work contrary to the Golden Rule and the admonishment to love thy neighbor. For example, I say a christian is bigotted when they vote to deny equal access to CIVIL marriage law for homosexuals on the basis that homosexuality is a SIN when the same person does not support stripping an adulterer (also a sin) of their marriage rights. The sins are NOT treated equally in regard to CIVIL law.

The big difference is that while I do not agree with Chuck’s brand of religion I do not vote or take actions that would deny anyone the chance to practice it, but Chuck does vote to deny people access to civil laws because of their particular sin.

By Cindy

November 6, 2006 01:40 PM | Link to this

My major complaint with conservatives is this. If I disagree with their thoughts, do not embrace their philosophy then I am either not patriotic, not an American or worse, not a believer in God. They pull these three out at the drop of a hat.

With the conservatives, it is like arguing with a 4 year old and when they cannot prove their point with logic, they revert to name calling and bashing.

By Chilao

November 6, 2006 01:43 PM | Link to this

She/sis is quite abit younger than me AND had the 12-years private fundamentalist education as well. You think I am extreme? She will read you the riot act if you as much as MENTION religion to her kids. LOL

Neil Young’s grandfather, wealthy owner of several bldg supply/lumberyards in Winnepeg, was actually FROM Richmond, VA.

By Forrest Gump

November 6, 2006 01:43 PM | Link to this

Funny you mention Aqualung, Jack. In it, Ian Anderson lays out some deep religious questions. Here’s from “My God”:

People — what have you done —

locked Him in His golden cage.

Made Him bend to your religion —

Him resurrected from the grave.

He is the god of nothing —

if that’s all that you can see.

You are the god of everything —

He’s inside you and me.

So lean upon Him gently

and don’t call on Him to save you

from your social graces

and the sins you used to waive.

By Mara

November 6, 2006 01:47 PM | Link to this

Hey Monica! No offense taken by me either. I’d like to believe that I would modify my views if they were challenged by factual data. The problem is that far too many people insist on citing their opinions as fact. (Much as chuck does regarding the validity of the Bible. He, and millions like him, fervently believe that the Bible is the be-all end-all…that doesn’t make it so. But then again, it doesn’t mean it’s not either. Which is why I am an agnostic instead of an atheist…I honestly admit that I don’t know.)

As I said, I’d like to believe that I would consider new information. I have changed my views on some issues after learning more about them. NAFTA and free-trade for instance. I honestly thought that it would help impoverished countries. I admit that I was very, very wrong. I dare to say that if someone could prove to me that women aren’t, and shouldn’t be, endowed with the same rights as men, well…my knee-jerk reaction would be denial. But I’d like to think that, in the long-term, it’d raise questions in my mind and I’d be honest enough with myself to reconsider.

By Chilao

November 6, 2006 01:49 PM | Link to this

funny I almost mentioned YES in my BareTrees comment.

By Forrest Gump

November 6, 2006 01:49 PM | Link to this

Yes is also awesome, Jack. “I’ve Seen All Good People”, “Long Distance Runaround”, “And You and I”—give me a break! You gotta love bassist Chris Squire, the only constant member through the years. Amazingly, on the album “Drama”, Jon Anderson doesn’t appear at all, but it still kicks major butt. Even when they were older, they came out with “Love Will Find a Way”, which had a lot of humanity in it, IMO.

By Archie

November 6, 2006 01:50 PM | Link to this

Yes,liberals do deserve the stereotype of being more open-minded than conservatives but liberals should not be immune from criticism. Diane says something about mythical being, well, there are liberals who believe in God and if you’re not open to that fact then you are close-minded. Shanti needs to give up this anti-christian public school talk because in the South there are plenty places to go pray. I also don’t think Chuck is close-minded because of his 10:20 am post because that’s what he believes and he doesn’t have to believe the way anyone else does. There’s a fine line between being open-minded and accepting everything. I don’t have the same opinion as Chuck but I can’t criticize either because I had to grow into a different opinion on homosexuality.

By GOB

November 6, 2006 01:53 PM | Link to this

Did anyone happen to see Borat this weekend? There was one particularly glaring example of christian love. As he was sleeping on the sidewalk in front of a revival, people were stepping over and around him to go inside.

By Forrest Gump

November 6, 2006 01:54 PM | Link to this

Chilao, one of the greatest concerts I ever attended was Neil Young in 1985 at Chastain. He and another guitarist melted the stage when they traded licks on “Down By the River”, “Southern Man”, and “Cowgirl In the Sand”. Searing! I still well up today whenever I hear “Old Man” or “The Needle and the Damge Done”.

By 2D

November 6, 2006 02:00 PM | Link to this

NetB… Great post! I have always wondered why people like Chuck, and I have them in my family, would vote down same-sex marriage and subsequently not support laws making adultery and fornication illegal.

If you do not want to expand marriage law to include same-sex unions, fine, I can respect that decision I need a better reason than “it is a sin.”

By Chilao

November 6, 2006 02:03 PM | Link to this

Yeah I like Harvest, and have it. I lost 200 vinyl albums, including Fragile and the BlindFaith single album, in a fire.

I saw BORAT, hilarious movie, probably funnier than my earlier funniest movie this year, Thank You For Smoking. LOL

By Some Serious Gump

November 6, 2006 02:08 PM | Link to this

In response to the lame topic question this week, I will have to fall back on Zen Buddhism for the answer, as taught in the tradition of Dogen, and as espoused by Shunryu Suzuki:

The nature of existence is constant change. As such, we continually “lose our balance”, moment by moment. This is unavoidable. The “secret”, then, is to not resist change, but to “keep your balance” as you continually “lose your balance”. In terms of politics, this means to be open to new ideas and new ways (Democrats), but don’t be in too big of a hurry to dispose of tradition (Republicans).

By GOB

November 6, 2006 02:10 PM | Link to this

I agree Chilao. Borat is the funniest movie I have seen in years. The scary part is that most of the people in the movie werent actors.

By Chilao

November 6, 2006 02:12 PM | Link to this

one of the two posts of mine that were removed, I assume as part of the cleanup from the Tramadoll stuff/new week, said that “Yes, libruls can be as close-minded as conservatives” when it should have been “SOME libruls”.

anyway, should I be whining about the liberal left censoring my speech? (j/k)

By Some Serious Gump

November 6, 2006 02:16 PM | Link to this

Chilao, I inherited the Blind Faith album while at HMC from a buddy of mine who lived in Saudi Arabia. The original album cover featured a topless girl holding a model airplane. My friend, Dev, felt sure that the Saudi customs agents wouldn’t let that one pass through without smashing it while screaming epithets about infidels, so he gave it to me instead at the end of the semester.

By Jack

November 6, 2006 02:18 PM | Link to this

Neil is good but his songs are all sad. I like to be happy.

By Chilao

November 6, 2006 02:19 PM | Link to this

GOB - Slate had a good piece from someone who had adopted a child from Kazakhstan, about TheMovieBorat vs. the Real Kazakhstan.

By Mara

November 6, 2006 02:22 PM | Link to this

2D - I don’t see ANYONE in the Muslim community taking a stand in opposition to Bin Laden and other extreme teachings in the Muslim community

http://www.masnet.org/takeaction.asp?id=2684

http://www.cair.com/default.asp?Page=articleView&id=37372&theType=NB

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/3/29/93856.shtml

you must not have been looking or listening. I’ve certainly been aware of many condemnations from the islamic community for acts of terror. There was a big to-do just recently in Australia where a fundamentalist imam opined in a sermon that rape victims were asking for it with their immodest dress and loose morals. The Islamic community’s rejection of THAT was almost deafening. I’m surprised that you didn’t hear anything about it. One can say that Muslims aren’t thundering denunciations from the minarets, it simply isn’t true that there aren’t ANY Muslims speaking against it.

By Chilao

November 6, 2006 02:22 PM | Link to this

Jacl - check out his latest Prairie Wind.

By Chilao

November 6, 2006 02:23 PM | Link to this

jacK? LOL

By Monica

November 6, 2006 02:24 PM | Link to this

There is a fine line between being sincere in your faith and bashing others who do not believe the same as you. I do believe that Christ is the one truth, and I see the Bible as truth. I can tell you that I think you should believe it as well, but I will respect your right to believe something else. I will attempt to persuade you, as you may attempt to persuade me, but I will not persecute you for not believing in Christ or the Bible. Likewise, don’t persecute me for my beliefs. If asked, I will give my opinion on what is and is not a sin, but I will do so under the premise that I am also a sinner and therefore cannot condemn anyone else because I am in the same boat. I might not be guilty of the same sin as someone else, but unlike Dante’s Inferno, there is no hierarchy of bad deeds; all sins are the same.

By Some Serious Gump

November 6, 2006 02:34 PM | Link to this

Monica, out of curiosity, which version of the Bible do you consider to be “truth”? The English translations? Can you read Hebrew, or Greek? Does it concern you that all of the books of the Bible began as oral traditions, and were written down many years later? Does it concern you that the foundation of Christianity, the New Testament, was written in a language (Greek) that Jesus didn’t even speak (Hebrew and Aramaic)?

By Some Serious Gump

November 6, 2006 02:44 PM | Link to this

P.S to Mara—Did you know that “maras” commonly refers to fire ants throughout Latin America? That is the basis of using the word “mara” as part of the names of the ultra-violent Salvadorian-Guatemalan-Mexican gangs like “Mara-13”. My Oxford Spanish dictionary defines “mara” as a crystal ball, however.

By Archie

November 6, 2006 02:47 PM | Link to this

Since you guys mentioned voting against civil unions I have in my hands a request for an amendment on article 17 of the state of south carolina constitution. The amendment would only recognize marriage as between one man and one woman and it would not recognize any right or benefit of any other domestic union even if granted by another state. Netbanker and 2d are right to suggest the hypocrisy towards homosexuality as it is treated differently,mainly because of tradition and bias. The editorial board of state newspaper here spoke against gay marriage so I really don’t have any answers for this but I have one vote and I will exercise that vote. I feel like I have open-minded on this issue but I can’t force anyone else into my viewpoint.

By WikiQuota

November 6, 2006 02:54 PM | Link to this

The word mara means gang in Caliche (Salvadoran slang) and is taken from marabunta, a local type of ant known for its fierce behavior and defense of the colony. Salvatrucha is a portmanteau of Salvadoran and trucha (literally trout) a local Salvadoran-Spanish word for being alert, vigilant, at the ready (usually entailing preparedness for crime, or abuse from police):

search on Mara-13

By Jack

November 6, 2006 02:54 PM | Link to this

Good post Arch!

By WikiQuota

November 6, 2006 02:56 PM | Link to this

My Oxford Spanish dictionary

You might need a Salvadoran street slang dictionary.

By Mara

November 6, 2006 02:56 PM | Link to this

Monica - As I see it, the issue has very little to do with ones “faith”. It has to do with the law being applied equally to all citizens. Though I can respect your faith, I most certainly don’t want anyones religeon to be the foundation for any laws that we are all required to obey.

By Jack

November 6, 2006 02:59 PM | Link to this

“Lord I was born a ramblin man.”

By Monica

November 6, 2006 03:00 PM | Link to this

SS Gump, I use the King James and the New International Versions. I would like to learn Greek one day, but for now I trust the versions I have. I thought that Jesus spoke all languages (ha ha), :)

By Some Serious Gump

November 6, 2006 03:04 PM | Link to this

Archie, I am completely for human rights, so I would vote to allow for civil unions for gay couples in order to simplify the legalities invlving inheritance, etc. However, to morally equate homosexual civil unions with heterosexual marriage is both wrong and unnecessary in my opinion.

Successful procreation of our species requires stable, loving parents. The only true parents of a child are the biological parents. As such, I believe this puts heterosexual marriages in a different category from homosexual unions. Obviously, not every heterosexual couple takes this commitment seriously (e.g. 80% illegitimacy rate among blacks), but that is what is best for children.

By Some Serious Gump

November 6, 2006 03:08 PM | Link to this

P.S to WikiQuoter—-I live in Lilburn, so don’t need a Spanish slang dictionary. I just ask my neighbors (mis vecinos).

By Jack

November 6, 2006 03:14 PM | Link to this

Lilburn, where men are men and sheep are nervous.

By Monica

November 6, 2006 03:16 PM | Link to this

You’re right, Mara. Admittedly, I struggle with this issue. I certainly don’t want someone else’s religion to determine the laws by which I must abide. As long as it’s my religion the laws are made by, I’m okay. That’s not hypocritical is it? I know, I know… (please understand the sarcasm in that last remark)

By 2D

November 6, 2006 03:17 PM | Link to this

Mara… Thanks for the links. They were very informative. Please forgive me if this sounds a bit sarcastic, but I typically don’t find myself reading Islamic websites so I would not have ever run into two of those articles. The third is a news source that I have not ever come across as well.

The point was simply, there is not a loud enough opposition to “fundamental” Islamic teaching that our mainstream, or slightly alternative media (i.e. talk radio)spends time from it’s broadcasts to deliver that message.

Also… What issue are you referring to when responding to Monica? What law is not being applied to all citizens?

By Mara

November 6, 2006 03:18 PM | Link to this

Ho hum. How can today, the day before we go to the polls and kick the bums to the curb…how, oh, how can the AJC subject us to such attention grabbing headlines as these -

“Kirstie Alley Dons Bikini on `Oprah’”

“Couples Go on `procreation Vacations’”

and “Fry’s Electronics opens in Alpharetta”

(yawn)

By WikiQuota

November 6, 2006 03:18 PM | Link to this

SSG - Ask them then about the word cholo, which has a different meaning in pretty much every Latin American country.

By Some Serious Gump

November 6, 2006 03:19 PM | Link to this

Baaaaaahhhhh!

By Mara

November 6, 2006 03:19 PM | Link to this

No, Jack. That’s “Lilburn. Where men are men and the sheep need to be pushed through the fence on a regular basis” LOL!!!

By chuck

November 6, 2006 03:25 PM | Link to this

Susie these are some of the verses from the Koran:

From The Holy Koran

Kill non-believers 4.89: They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah’s way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.

Killing Idolaters 9.5: So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

Smite the neck and cut fingertips of unbelievers 8.12: When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.

Smite the neck of unbelievers 47.4: So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make (them) prisoners, and afterwards either set them free as a favor or let them ransom (themselves) until the war terminates. That (shall be so); and if Allah had pleased He would certainly have exacted what is due from them, but that He may try some of you by means of others; and (as for) those who are slain in the way of Allah, He will by no means allow their deeds to perish.

By Some Serious Gump

November 6, 2006 03:28 PM | Link to this

Better yet, WikiQuoter, how about “pendajo”. If I call Chilao my pendajo, our friendship or lack thereof determines whether it is a compliment or an insult. So, Chilao, which way would you take it? After all, you did call me the endearing term, POS last week. At least you could have gone Spanish and stuck with perro excremento.

By Chilao

November 6, 2006 03:28 PM | Link to this

Lilburn, where men are men and sheep are nervous.

I thought that was Montana?

Don’t Latins generally raise GOATS for food?

By Chilao

November 6, 2006 03:30 PM | Link to this

“Kirstie Alley Dons Bikini on `Oprah’�?

did they have pictures? LOL

By Monica

November 6, 2006 03:31 PM | Link to this

Well, Mara, I for one am running home right now to catch Kirstie in a bikini… NOT!

By Chilao

November 6, 2006 03:33 PM | Link to this

I don’t speak Spanish, at all.

Alley is 55, who knew? No bikini pics though.

By 2D

November 6, 2006 03:35 PM | Link to this

Chilao… Not Montana. Wyoming.

By Jack

November 6, 2006 03:35 PM | Link to this

Wasn’t talking about food. Put your mind in the gutter Chilao. LOL

By Some Serious Gump

November 6, 2006 03:38 PM | Link to this

Mis vecinos are teaching me well in how to be polite to others when speaking Spanish. When I meet an old lady, they told me to say “Que culo grande!” in order to show respect.

By Rebecca

November 6, 2006 03:41 PM | Link to this

There is one thing that I believe has been overlooked about this topic. That being that as long as people are fighting about ideology they are not taking the actual issues into consideration. These “culture wars” distract us from what is actually happening. Much like this blog, discussion of the issues seems to go from constructive debate to “this is the right way and that is a sin” in such a short time that it is almost funny. I say almost because there is nothing funny about what is happening to our country. As long as the voters can be so easily distracted, politicians can do what is best for themselves rather than what is best for their country. We have more than one real crisis in this country. We are falling behind in education, losing our competitive edge in the larger international society, and we are on the verge of a religious civil war. Meanwhile, many of our leaders are plundering our country and becoming so corrupt that they no longer care about the needs of people other than themselves. While right and wrong are certainly subjective, some things are universal. Lying to and stealing from your constituency is wrong no matter your personal ideology, but we allow ourselves to be led into bickering over the inconsequential rather than focusing on the larger issues. While this topic may seem like a non starter, ask yourself where these behaviors will lead us. Look at where they have led those who came before us. Look at all of the time we have wasted fighting about stickers in textbooks or where it is acceptable to display the ten commandments when we could have been addressing the real issues such as why our kids are not learning the science and math skills that they need. There is far more to this debate than who has the more open mind. The more important issue is that both side have stopped trying to compromise and have instead begun trying to block any effort to affect any change that they don’t like. Nothing good can come of that.

By Chilao

November 6, 2006 03:45 PM | Link to this

LMAO - yeah, I GOT IT. (goats vs. sheep).

Went to the Oprah site, but when I clicked on the Alley bikini pics link, I got the Adult Verification/Credit Card Required screen. Never seen that one before, what’s up with that? (joking)

By Chilao

November 6, 2006 03:47 PM | Link to this

LOL @ Wyoming. (I better stop)

By Chilao

November 6, 2006 03:52 PM | Link to this

I for one am running home right now to catch Kirstie in a bikini… NOT!

Sounds like Monica saw BORAT this weekend. LOL (but doesn’t want to admit it..LMAO)

By Archie

November 6, 2006 03:59 PM | Link to this

However, to morally equate homosexual civil unions with heterosexual marriage is both wrong and unnecessary in my opinion.

Why did you take the discussion there? I only posted what’s on the ballot here in South Carolina. When you think logically, a person that has lived with someone for 30 years or more as his/her mate deserves some benefits, as that’s part of the reason you have alimony and mates don’t testify against each other in court during criminal trials. Certainly you’re entitled to your opinion but I don’t see what it has to do with my last post.

By Monica

November 6, 2006 04:01 PM | Link to this

Actually, we’d love to go see Borat, but with the cost of baby-sitters and movie tickets, we can’t afford it. LOL We’ll wait til it comes out on video. BTW, “we” means my husband and me, not my alter egos. :)

By Jack

November 6, 2006 04:07 PM | Link to this

We weally care about the celebs. My sun rises and sets by them. Has Tom Cruse earned enough to buy his way into Heaven? Will Kirstie keep it off? Will Oprah ever stop buying her audiences? Bob Barker is retiring, is the world about to end?

By lozen

November 6, 2006 04:09 PM | Link to this

Chuck, you know all the places in the bible where people are told to kill their enemies, enslave their women and children, take their lands because they are unbelievers! Of course you do.

By Chilao

November 6, 2006 04:09 PM | Link to this

Monica- so when you do see it, you will know what I mean. (but definitely DO wait until the kiddies are asleep..LOL, it is rated R for a reason)

By Some Serious Gump

November 6, 2006 04:11 PM | Link to this

Archie, you didn’t explicitly say that passing the new law in SC would constitute a moral equivalence between homosexual and heterosexual unions, and you probably don’t believe they are the same in your heart. However, that is the ultimate agenda of gay-libbers, to make homosexuality and heterosexuality morally equivalent.

Again, because I support human rights for all people, I do support a civil union law for gay people to take advantage of. But, I will never view such homosexual households to be the same as heterosexual households.

By Some Serious Gump

November 6, 2006 04:16 PM | Link to this

Monica and Jack, speaking of celebs and babysitting, I have been thinking of opening a daycare center, and have been trying to get Michael Jackson’s endorsement. What do you think of the plan?

By chuck

November 6, 2006 04:17 PM | Link to this

Cindy, I don’t know what conservatives you have been arguing with, but I certainly don’t regularly do that (I did do that a couple of times last year I have to admit):

With the conservatives, it is like arguing with a 4 year old and when they cannot prove their point with logic, they revert to name calling and bashing.

You only need to look back over the posts from the past month or so to see the names that precede the name calling. It isn’t mine. The most LIBRUL posters on here are the worst name-callers. In fact, had I been called some of the names that I have been called IN PERSON, somebody probably would have been unconscious and bleeding. It would have been very difficult to turn the other cheek in a few instances.

By 2D

November 6, 2006 04:20 PM | Link to this

Archie… What exactly are the folks in SC voting on? Please forgive me, I’m not a lawyer, so I am not sure how the legal code is constructed. I am sure there is a particular way in which the law is being worded for legal purposes.

By Some Serious Gump

November 6, 2006 04:22 PM | Link to this

In the long run, passing civil union laws would make much more sense to me than some of the current “domestic partner” benefit programs utilized by city governments like Atlanta, in which insurance benefits are extended to anyone the employee claims is a “domestic partner”. At least with civil unions, some type of legal committment would be required before handing out more of my tax dollars to scammers.

By Jack

November 6, 2006 04:24 PM | Link to this

Hi Lozen Dear. :)

By Archie

November 6, 2006 04:24 PM | Link to this

Hello, SSG you don’t know what’s in my heart and when I posted what’s on the ballot I didn’t care what anyone’s agenda was. I was sharing,sharing what’s on the ballot here in South Carolina,that’s it. I am not gay but logic says the people want benefits and they really don’t care about moral equivalence or at least they shouldn’t care because you can never please everyone morally.

By Some Serious Gump

November 6, 2006 04:26 PM | Link to this

Chuck, thanks for laying low before the elections tomorrow. As I stated before, with geniuses like Kerry on the other side shooting themselves in the foot just one week before the votes, you don’t have to jeopardize the continued conservative advantage by trying to argue with any liberals. By all rights,the Republicans should lose nearly 40 seats tomorrow, but will likely only lose about 10 now, thanks to Kerry.

By JOHN KERRY

November 6, 2006 04:28 PM | Link to this

I voted FOR being called a liberal before I voted AGAINST it!

“Hey…Teresa, hand me another one of those Busch beers.”

By Some Serious Gump

November 6, 2006 04:30 PM | Link to this

And, chuck, just out of curiosity, was DOG on your hit list this year? I tried to steer away from name-calling with you and simply defeated you using the Bible itself. Of course, you were never man enough to admit defeat, based on your continued spouting of nonsense, such as “Christians are special in the eyes of God”.

By Jon

November 6, 2006 04:31 PM | Link to this

Again, because I support human rights for all people, I do support a civil union law for gay people to take advantage of. But, I will never view such homosexual households to be the same as heterosexual households.

So SS Gump..what does all that mean…practically speaking?

I’m not a gay-libber..although I am gay..I could care less what a union with my partner (of 12 years) would be called…I’d just like to file our taxes together because it’s a pain otherwise.

So if a state (I’m not holding my breath for GA) sees me and my partner as a legal union…what does it really mean for you to say you’ll never view such homosexual households to be the same as heterosexual households?..and for the sake of argument assume we were neighbors.

By Tom Petty

November 6, 2006 04:32 PM | Link to this

To all you Mexican brothers & sisters out there, I dedicate my next number…

REFUGEE Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers

We got somethin’ we both know it We don’t talk too much about it Yeah it ain’t no real big secret all the same Somehow we get around it Listen it don’t really matter to me baby You believe what you want to believe You see you don’t have to live like a refugee

Somewhere, somehow somebody Must have kicked you around some Tell me why you wanna lay there And revel in your abandon Listen it don’t make no difference to me baby Everybody’s had to fight to be free You see you don’t have to live like a refugee Now baby you don’t have to live like a refugee

Baby we ain’t the first I’m sure a lot of other lover’s been burned Right now this seems real to you But it’s one of those things You gotta feel to be true

Somewhere, somehow somebody Must have kicked you around some Who knows, maybe you were kidnapped Tied up, taken away and held for ransom It don’t really matter to me Everybody’s had to fight to be free You see you don’t have to live like a refugee I said you don’t have to live like a refugee

By 2D

November 6, 2006 04:35 PM | Link to this

Archie… I apologize for the repetitive nature of my last post. I had missed your previous post that gave the specifics of the issue at hand.

By Some Serious Gump

November 6, 2006 04:36 PM | Link to this

Yep, the conservatives are hurting, they don’t have any Ted Turners helping the cause. Be sure not to light any matches when Ted speaks, alcohol is combustible.

By Some Serious Gump

November 6, 2006 04:39 PM | Link to this

Jon, I fully support equal legal priveleges for gay and straight unions, especially if an actual legal committment is involved. The moral non-equivalence only comes into play due to the fact that I believe children should be given the chance to be raised in the best possile environment, which is a loving, heterosexual household.

By Cheez-Whiz

November 6, 2006 04:39 PM | Link to this

Liberals have their heads in the sand if they don’t see the need to defend our country. Think back to 9/11 people. Would you dems rather fight the bad guys here at home?

Yeah, let’s put ole Slick Willy back in office as the “little lady”. Have cigars-will travel.

Bill’s got more mileage than my dad’s 68 Chevy! The dude has the nerve to write a book about, “yeah, I lie…what you gon’ do about it now?” And it sells 5 million copies! How screwed is that?

By 2D

November 6, 2006 04:41 PM | Link to this

Jon… If filing your taxes is all you care about, perhaps we should work to simplify the tax code. That is something that would benefit everyone.

By 2D

November 6, 2006 04:42 PM | Link to this

SSG… What do you mean by an actual legal commitment?

By Willie Wonka

November 6, 2006 04:43 PM | Link to this

Let’s put a celbrity in the white house…you know, like Cher or Tom Cruise. Maybe it’ll make our country more popular with the Muslim lunes.

By Some Serious Gump

November 6, 2006 04:46 PM | Link to this

Too bad we are almost out of time today, I remembered someone mentioning Kurt Vonnegut Jr. a few weeks ago. He was one of my favorite authors as a teen. I especially loved “Sirens of Titan”, “Cat’s Cradle”, and “God Bless You , Mr. Rosewater”. “Welcome to the Monkey House ” was good also. I remember one short story about a liberal society in which the ballet dancers had to wear ugly masks and dance with weights strapped to them so that less able individuals wouldn’t feel badly about their inequities.

By Some Serious Gump

November 6, 2006 04:48 PM | Link to this

I think 72john referenced something from “Wampeters, Fomas, and Granfaloons” when he mentioned karasses, that is social circles we end up in.

By Some Serious Gump

November 6, 2006 04:50 PM | Link to this

2D, the actual committment I speak of would limit unions to two people and would require an actual divorce, so as to prevent the rampant abuse which now occurs under “domestic partner” policies which only require a non-legal declaration that someone is your “partner”.

By Jon

November 6, 2006 04:52 PM | Link to this

SS Gump,

The issue of children is not one we really have to deal with so I won’t go into the debate of this study and that study for and against same sex relationships and children.

But gay couples are alreadyraising children…some adopt, some share the custodial child of their partner. They will grow up in gay households whether you think those households are morally equivalent or not (whatever morally equivalant means…I guess immoral or not)

As far as the gay agenda and our need to have our relationships viewed as legitimate as yours..Archie is right…most of us don’t care…(although I’m older and have probably been a whipped dog for too long). There are those that want “marriage” or nothing but most of us are just busy living our lives and don’t have that broad an agenda.

By Some Serious Gump

November 6, 2006 04:54 PM | Link to this

The movie “Slaughterhouse Five” was fairly credible, although the Vonnegut novel was better overall. “Breakfast of Champions” deserves high marks as well.

Did anyone catch Vonnegut’s cameo in Rodney Dangerfield’s movie “Back To School”? Rodney hired Vonnegut to write a term paper about, who else, Vonnegut. The professor then flunked him, saying that he knew nothing about Vonnegut.

By Jon

November 6, 2006 04:56 PM | Link to this

2D

I think you know my point about filing taxes…why be disrespectful?

By Some Serious Gump

November 6, 2006 05:00 PM | Link to this

I credit Vonnegut with one of the best all time lines in one of his novels, in which he relates a story about a man who killed his wife and proclaimed that he did it because he loved her. Vonnegut’s reply was that, apparently, the world needed less love, and more common courtesy.

By Chilao

November 6, 2006 05:01 PM | Link to this

Rodney:(to HotLipsHoolihan, Sally Kellerman, a professor) “Call me sometime when you have no class”

and OingoBoingo hired for the party.

By TramadoL14791

November 6, 2006 05:57 PM | Link to this

I’ve just been staying at home not getting anything done. I’ve basically been doing nothing worth mentioning. My life’s been pretty unremarkable these days. Eh.

By TramadoL90361

November 7, 2006 06:34 AM | Link to this

I haven’t gotten anything done today. I feel like a fog, but what can I say? I’ve just been letting everything wash over me lately, not that it matters. Shrug.

By TramadoL29425

November 7, 2006 06:52 AM | Link to this

Not much on my mind lately. My life’s been completely boring these days. I’ve just been hanging out not getting anything done. So it goes.

By candide

November 7, 2006 07:27 AM | Link to this

Of course liberals are more openminded than up-thight anal conservatives. But a better way to stress the difference is this: democrats appeal to the best in mankind while conservatives appeal to the worst: fear, bigotry, hatred, aggression.

By 2D

November 7, 2006 07:42 AM | Link to this

SSG… Does limiting unions to two people have any other restrictions? We all assume they have to be consenting adults, but even if you leave it as a union of two consenting adults, would there be any other restrictions?

By 2D

November 7, 2006 07:46 AM | Link to this

Jon… I was sincerely not attempting to be disrespectful. I simply wanted to pose an alternative solution to the situation that you brought forth. A solution that a vast majority of people could support, unlike the endorsement of same-sex unions.

By 2D

November 7, 2006 07:55 AM | Link to this

Candide… That statement is not fair, and you know it. The most powerful emotion we have is fear and EVERYONE plays on it. The strategies are different, but the tactics are the same.

By Mara

November 7, 2006 08:04 AM | Link to this

2D - The point was simply, there is not a loud enough opposition to “fundamental” Islamic teaching that our mainstream, or slightly alternative media (i.e. talk radio)spends time from it’s broadcasts to deliver that message

Also… What issue are you referring to when responding to Monica? What law is not being applied to all citizens?

the problem isn’t that there aren’t moderate muslims speaking against the misuse of Islam to justify terrorism, it’s that they don’t have enough clout to get it into the MSM on a regular basis. I’ve seen articles on these groups and their activities every now and then on the newschannels or in national publications, but not very often. That’s all I was sayin’. You had said that you didn’t see ANY muslim groups speaking out against terrorism and fundamentalism…I just wanted to show you that there are moderate muslims talking about this and that they do speak out. American media is so fixated on the latest missing white woman or the newest Hollywood or Beltway scandle that issues of substance tend to get lost.

as for my point to Monica, in this case I was refering to legal marriage. The laws on marriage, next-of-kin, inheretance, taxes etc are NOT applied to all citizens equally.

By Mara

November 7, 2006 08:10 AM | Link to this

oh…and don’t forget to go VOTE today :^)

By 2D

November 7, 2006 08:14 AM | Link to this

Mara… Point taken on the moderate Muslims. The lack of coverage is unfortunate on a variety of fronts. I would agree our media is too obsessed with ratings and entertainment rather than news. I do however, also believe that if the moderate Muslim voice were louder and more prevelant, that the media would be forced to get them coverage.

As for your point on legal marriage, I don’t know exactly how the law(s) is/are written, so I can’t say that they are not applied appropriately. However I would be curious to know if the existing laws are not applied equally, or if they are simply not expansive enough to give the same status to gay couples as straight couples. I think we can agree that there is a difference.

By TramadoL10153

November 7, 2006 08:15 AM | Link to this

retty much nothing seems worth thinking about. My life’s been completely dull , not that it matters. I’ve just been staying at home waiting for something to happen.

By Mara

November 7, 2006 08:45 AM | Link to this

2D - I’m not a lawyer either so I’m not going to even try to cite legalities to you, but what is obvious is that I can marry my lifemate but my gay friend can’t. In some states if I lived with my boyfriend long enough, the state would consider us married by ‘common law’…but not my gay friend and her partner of decades. It’s immaterial whether the law is discriminatory because it isn’t expansively enough or because it’s written as a discriminatory law. Either way a subsection of our society is adversly affected.

Mostly the posts were regarding the use of religion as a basis for law and not specifically gay marriage.

By Mara

November 7, 2006 08:49 AM | Link to this

2D - as for the volume of moderate voices in Islam…how would you suggest they get their message out without large amounts of cash, political clout, or unfettered access to a free press?

By 2D

November 7, 2006 09:00 AM | Link to this

Mara… I’ll answer your second question first. Moderate voices of Islam could do exactly what every other group does to get their message out. Set up rallies. Set up protests. Spend money. Get lobbyists. The free press will pick up their story if they make it compelling enough.

I knew we could agree that there was a difference between application of the law and expansiveness of the law. I don’t know which is the case and I don’t know if it should be called discriminatory. What I believe is that a society has the right to define it’s laws so long that the law is applied equally.

By TramadoL81985

November 7, 2006 09:01 AM | Link to this

I haven’t gotten anything done recently. I’ve just been hanging out doing nothing. I haven’t been up to anything these days, but it’s not important. Today was a total loss.

By Brian Curtis

November 7, 2006 09:20 AM | Link to this

By the way… Where are the outspoken Christian moderates condeming Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell? Where are the Christian moderates who stand up to gay-bashing and lynching? who counter-protest at rallies for abortion-clinic bombers? who loudly condemn Klan parades and Fred Phelps funeral demonstrations?

After all, don’t they have an obligation to “prove” to the rest of us that they’re different?

Well, actually… no. They don’t. Welcome to America.

By Chilao

November 7, 2006 09:42 AM | Link to this

Where are the outspoken Christian moderates condeming Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell? Where are the Christian moderates who stand up to gay-bashing and lynching? who counter-protest at rallies for abortion-clinic bombers? who loudly condemn Klan parades and Fred Phelps funeral demonstrations?

I always wondered that as well. Never saw them.

Like Mara says, Y’all make sure you vote (I already did)

By Jack

November 7, 2006 09:45 AM | Link to this

Haven’t seen a post by Lyrazel lately. Hope you’re OK Hon, you are the wisest on the blog. :)

By Chilao

November 7, 2006 09:55 AM | Link to this

About time for someone to dream up some endangered American students down in Nicaragua, requiring military protection. Ya think? LMAO

Oh, my bad, our military is already slightly over-extended. 100 plus bodies A MONTH! even.

By Archie

November 7, 2006 09:55 AM | Link to this

I hope everyone has voted for the open-minded candidate or the close-minded candidate of your choice. If not you have until 7 pm here in South Carolina to vote, probably the same in Georgia. I accept 2d’s apology because sometimes I can’t read all the way back thru the blog to see who addressed me. Brian I have bashed Falwell and Robertson over and over and Phelps. Sometimes when Christians speak out against fundamentalism it just doesn’t get any press. The media is so manipulative that a person really has to read and keep up with various subjects to understand that fact.

By 2D

November 7, 2006 10:04 AM | Link to this

BC… I guess it doesn’t ever register when the Pope speaks against the war in Iraq. Nope, that never reaches the evening news.

Or when the Pope speaks out against capitol punishment. Nope, that never reaches the evening news.

Or when the Pope speaks out against murder of any kind and treating each human life with diginity. Nope, that never reaches the evening news.

I guess it didn’t ever register when the Episcopal church in America took a stand aginst the Anglican church and several of it’s own domestic parrishes to ordain an openly gay priest. Nope that never reached the evening news.

I guess it didn’t ever register that Jimmy Carter is one of the largest supporters of Habitat for Humanity and that he removed his association with the Southern Baptist Convention. Nope that never reached the evening news.

By Randy

November 7, 2006 10:10 AM | Link to this

Shanuti hit the nail on the head with this one. Liberals are not more open-minded, in fact the opposite is true, if you don’t believe me, say something less than positive about gays on this site and see many here respond in an attacking way. Everyone has a belief system and they protect it. Drunks want to drink more, so they fight against anyone who says you need to cut back or go into rehab, gays want to live that lifestyle so they fight against Christians who just quote the bible and try to help. Society has existed for at least 6,000 years and we figure out what makes us happy and we go with that for awhile, then we decide we want to try something else and we suffer. God and the bible have the answers to happiness, all you have to do is listen.

By Randy

November 7, 2006 10:13 AM | Link to this

2D, in the Chrisitan community, Jimmy Carter is a clown. I have no respect for him, he puts his party (democrat) ahead of his faith. That’s very weak.

By Jack

November 7, 2006 10:17 AM | Link to this

2D. You’re right. The vulture scum media is anti-religion. Mustn’t offend anyone.

By Jack

November 7, 2006 10:22 AM | Link to this

The sky is falling, I agree completely with Randy on Jimmy “No nads” Carter.

By POS

November 7, 2006 10:26 AM | Link to this

Go vote, if you plan to vote Republican! All the Democrats stay home, it’s raining!

By POS

November 7, 2006 10:30 AM | Link to this

Here’s some truth for you all: When I worked in East Atlanta years ago, buses would roll right down Moreland Avenue using bullhorns to carry “voters” to the polls. They would give each “voter” $5 to get on the bus. That’s called “walking money” for the naive. Of course, the Democrats were only to happy to assist the “voters” in “selecting” the “right” candidates once on board the bus.

By POS

November 7, 2006 10:33 AM | Link to this

Chilao—Glad to hear the support for “Back to School” with Rodney Dangerfield. The scene with Sam Kinison as a History professor is worth the cost of the rental alone. And when Rodney quoted “Do Not Go Gently Into the Night” to Sally Kellerman, even I was inspired! Good old Rodney. He was awesome in Caddyshack, and not bad in Easy Money.

By Chilao

November 7, 2006 10:37 AM | Link to this

I think the Democrats are supposed to vote on Wednesday, wasn’t it? LOL. They told me at the precinct they would hold my ballot for tomorrow’s count.

Actually I guess that worked someplace once, at least we still hear about it, being considered ‘dirty tricks’.

By Jack

November 7, 2006 10:39 AM | Link to this

If you are on gov’t assistance you should not be allowed to vote.

By POS

November 7, 2006 10:39 AM | Link to this

Surprisingly, my local video store didn’t have “Back to School”, so I rented a bunch of late 70s and early 80s movies instead last night. Do you remember Spring Break or Beach Girls? Now those were some partying movies! Almost as good as Hot Dog The Movie. I even enjoyed The Wild Life with Christopher Penn. I watched The Ambushers also, an old Matt Helm movie starring Dean Martin form the 1960s. Pure camp. Finally, I rented Annie Hall with Woody Allen because I had never seen it before. Not bad. I still like Woody in Bananas and Play It Again Sam better.

By lozen

November 7, 2006 10:42 AM | Link to this

You can find whatever you like in any religious text. There is a 12th century Islamic text where the Prophet says to “kiss and touch” one’s wife until she “has the same desire you have” and “wait for her until she is satisfied.” I think I’m switching from atheist to Islam! Where does the bible give this instruction?

By POS

November 7, 2006 10:43 AM | Link to this

Back on voting, how do you all like it when preachers allow their pulpits to be used as stumps for political speeches by political candidates? The practice is rampant in black churches, and not uncommon in white churches as well.

By POS

November 7, 2006 10:46 AM | Link to this

Jack, how did you like the organized resistance to the voter ID law by the Democrats? You gotta wonder what percentage of their voters are actually alive and eligible to vote when they fought so hard against being required to show ID at the polls.

By Jack

November 7, 2006 10:46 AM | Link to this

The scene with the lobster was good. Ever see “Everything you always wanted to know about sex”?

By Chilao

November 7, 2006 10:48 AM | Link to this

The ‘call me when you have no class’ line is memorable.

And why did I have to put on three CDs of The Cars last night, and was reminded I had a few vinyls burn I had not yet replaced, of The Cars. LOL

Take it on the run, ‘cause the Good Life is just a Dream away

By kimberly

November 7, 2006 10:50 AM | Link to this

I’m sorry, but I just don’t GET the “Christian” bashing of Carter, who is human like the rest of us, but has consistently tried to apply the principles and teachings of Christ to his life and deeds for as long as we’ve known him. Trying to make peace and actually DOING something to help the poor (Guess what? Pulling torn, stained clothing out of your closet, tossing it in a trash bag, and dumping it off at Good Will does not constitute helping the poor, as much as you pat yourself on the back for it.)

Equally puzzled at the “Christian” support of megalomaniacs like Robertson and Falwell, who USE the name of our Lord to line their pockets and build up power, fame, and tax shelters while preaching hate, division, and even murder. Like Brian Curtis mentioned earlier, where are the “Christians” standing up against the hate and greed policies of these mega-churches? Hypocrites at their utmost. They, and those of you who support them, make me sick.

You wanna be a Christian? Follow the examples of Mother Teresa and Jimmy Carter, and I MIGHT believe you mean it. Otherwise, it’s all just noise.

By Jack

November 7, 2006 10:53 AM | Link to this

None of them could “wait” so that text was left out. LOL

By POS

November 7, 2006 10:56 AM | Link to this

Also, as an internet neophyte, I have to admit that the Wikipedia service is pretty cool. I googled Kurt Vonnegut Jr last night, and was directed to Wikipedia, which had a pretty extensive review of Vonnegut and his work. Very impressive! I didn’t realize that so many of his books and short stories were adapted for TV, such as the stories from Welcome to the Monkey House. The story about the socialistic, equal society was called Harrison Bergeron, in which ballet dancers had to wear ugly masks and weights when they danced so no one would feel inferior. All the King’s Horse was an interesting story about a man forced to play chess with human pieces—his family. I remember the climax was when he saw he could win by sacrificing a knight—his son.

By chuck

November 7, 2006 10:56 AM | Link to this

Where are the outspoken Christian moderates condeming Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell? Where are the Christian moderates who stand up to gay-bashing and lynching? who counter-protest at rallies for abortion-clinic bombers? who loudly condemn Klan parades and Fred Phelps funeral demonstrations?

Well BC, I’m certainly NOT a Christian MODERATE. (Jesus said:

Revelation 3:16 (King James Version) King James Version (KJV) Public Domain

16So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spew thee out of my mouth.)

Lukewarm is the definition of a MODERATE.

However, I will condemn gay-bashing and lynching.

I will condemn the KKK

I will condemn abortion clinic (not a real good description) bombers.

I will condemn the Phelps protests.

There you go BC. A Christian Conservative condemns all of those things.

By Brian Curtis

November 7, 2006 10:58 AM | Link to this

2D and Archie: The point is not only that the extremists get more press time and attention, but also that the moderates DON’T have a particular obligation to “speak up” and make their cause look good. Who do they have to report to—us? Nope.

There’s a particularly vicious letter circulating by e-mail announcing to American Muslims that, because of terrorism, they now have an “obligation” to prove what upstanding, loyal, patriotic Americans they are. (Subtext: Or be considered in league with terrorists if they don’t.) This is the same jingoistic paranoid crap that was prevalent during the Red Scare, and it led to loyalty oaths and similar, transparently useless nonsense.

By lozen

November 7, 2006 11:01 AM | Link to this

In my vast experience ;-), I’ve found that homosexual unions and heterosexual unions are exactly the same. Gay couples (for the most part) pattern their relationships after their parents’ marriages just as straight couples do. Gay couples have issues about money, in-laws, how to raise the kids, etc just like straight couples do. I will never understand the BIG differences some see between homosexual relationships and heterosexual relationships. What planet are you living on ppl?

By Mara

November 7, 2006 11:02 AM | Link to this

2D - I thought Brian was asking about christians condemning christian fundamentalists. As I’ve learned on this forum, the Pope isn’t a christian so therefore it makes no difference what he says about it.

And isn’t the Anglican Church in the midst of the debate on whether “doctrinaire” churches are going to withdraw from the Anglican community because of Rev. Robinsons ordination?

I know a few progressive Christians and I have to admit that even they tend to make excuses for a lot of the fundamentalist rhetoric. Except for quotes from Crazy Pat, that is. Everybody knows that Pat’s a nut job…

By Jack

November 7, 2006 11:04 AM | Link to this

Hi Hon. Jimmy is a good Christian but no nads. How bout giving me 14 and UGA? :)

By POS

November 7, 2006 11:06 AM | Link to this

kimberly—I will go along with you about Mother Teresa being an example for us all to follow, but have to say nix on Jimmy Carter. Jimmy is a phony, and a liar to boot. His support for dictators like Castro, Arafat, etc. caused untold misery for millions of peoples stuck under their rule.

Chilao—I was a pretty good Cars fan back in the late 70s/early 80s. I used to enjoy “Moving In Stereo” back in the day. And just what is an “orangy sky”. Could it be from taking orange sunshine??

By POS

November 7, 2006 11:09 AM | Link to this

Jack, don’t mention UGA—I lost my shirt on them vs. Tennessee earlier this year. Richt had me snowed. Fortunately, I made a lot back on the Falcons the past few weeks.

By Chilao

November 7, 2006 11:10 AM | Link to this

I remember my 8th-grade Social Studies teacher (Prater) teaching us we needed to be leery of the people who jumped to the start of the line when they made the call for the Anti-Kommnistas. And be equally leery of the people who went to the end of the line, with the “I have nothing to worry about, I am certainly not a Kommunista” attitude.

I think he suspected everybody. LOL

He was actually making the point that appearances can be deceiving, as evidenced recently with the anti-gay(“Dark-side”?) down-low PREACHER in Colorado.

By POS

November 7, 2006 11:12 AM | Link to this

lozen—If you don’t notice any difference between two males kissing and trying to fornicate together vs. a heterosexual couple, then I’m not sure how to proceed with you in any other biological/political discussions. Fortunately, most other people I meet can notice the difference.

By Brian Curtis

November 7, 2006 11:17 AM | Link to this

If anyone has the stomach for it, here’s a link (http://www.breakthechain.org/exclusives/worry.html ) to the chain-letter declaring that Muslim-Americans have a special obligation to “prove” how patriotic they are.

By kimberly

November 7, 2006 11:20 AM | Link to this

POS, yeah, he’d be a much better Christian if he’d started some wars to oust leaders of other countries and gotten thousands of people killed in the process. He’d also be praised for his ‘nads if the American hostages in Iran (who came home alive, by the way) had been slaughtered while he swaggered. Too bad about those dead hostages, but what NADS! Perhaps you think Bush is a great Christian for helping the repressed people of China by BORROWING A TRILLION DOLLARS from them — money that OUR tax dollars pay interest on, and which our grandchildren will have to repay while their own government goes unfunded.

Sorry, y’all. But you’re going to have to say something meaningful, true, inspiring, and real today to quell my acute nausea and disgust.

Jack, you can have your 14 points.

By Jack

November 7, 2006 11:20 AM | Link to this

Better make it 21 pts.

By POS

November 7, 2006 11:22 AM | Link to this

I am neither Christian nor Muslim, but have to say that the Muslim-dominated countries are not places any of us would want to live. This is not declaring one religion to be superior, but is looking at reality.

Also, Mara, et. al., the KKK has been extremely unpopular for more than 40 years, and are condemned universally at this point. Contrast that fact with the widespread financial and moral support that Hamas and Hezbollah receive in the Muslim communities.

By Jack

November 7, 2006 11:24 AM | Link to this

“Could it be from taking orange sunshine??”

or was it the blotter?

By Mara

November 7, 2006 11:25 AM | Link to this

Jack - do you really think that the poor shouldn’t be allowed to vote simply because they’re poor and need a little help? Which other citizens do you believe don’t “deserve” the vote?

I nominate the stupid. And the “single issue” voter. Also anyone who hasn’t read the Constitution and Federalist Papers. And anyone who can’t name their own state and federal representatives/senators, the President, Vice-President, and Speaker of the House.

If we’re gonna disenfranchise people, let’s start with the ones who don’t give a damn.

By Chilao

November 7, 2006 11:27 AM | Link to this

orangy sky = sunset = relationship demise = bye bye love

Okasek may have been a cokehead, but doubt those lyrics acid inspired

By POS

November 7, 2006 11:30 AM | Link to this

BC—The biggest problem facing America right now is the erosion of the goodwill that made us great 20 years ago. When we obey the law, it is done primarily on the “honor system”, not so much due to the fear of prosecution. Filing your taxes is a prime example of this. Very few returns are ever audited, so honesty in filing is left up to the individual.

With the influx of all the illegals, who file no tax returns and have no incentive to follow other laws regarding auto insurance, etc., it is easy to get discouraged and start cutting corners yourself. This is dangerous to society. As in sports, everyone on the team must follow the same rules or team morale suffers with predicatble results.

By POS

November 7, 2006 11:34 AM | Link to this

Jack, you better ask for 28 points to make it a reasonable bet.

Kimberly, I believe your blind hatred for all things Bush is causing you to put on rose-colored glasses when it comes to Carter. I remember the hostage situation in Iran vividly, Carter deserves no praise at all. His bungled “rescue mission” still receives very little criticism from a Carter-friendly press.

By POS

November 7, 2006 11:37 AM | Link to this

Chilao, I do give Ocasek credit for one thing—landing Paulina as his bride, and KEEPING HER HAPPY. Now that shows true genius in my book. Billy Joel could land the hotties as well, but not so good at keeping them.

By lozen

November 7, 2006 11:43 AM | Link to this

Kimberly, as usual (IMHO) you’re so right about Carter and Bush!

By lozen

November 7, 2006 11:47 AM | Link to this

I actually don’t visualize het couples copulating usually and I don’t visualize homo couples copulating usually. However, I know that’s the MOST important thing to you homophobic men. I just view couples as couples and don’t imagine their sex lives. You should try that sometime!

By 2D

November 7, 2006 11:48 AM | Link to this

BC… Sorry, but I do believe that “moderates” have an obligation to make their voice heard. Perhaps not for political reasons, but to ensure a few rotten apples don’t split the barrel.

By POS

November 7, 2006 11:49 AM | Link to this

Well, then, praise Allah that our military isn’t run by people like kimberly and lozen or else we’d all be Sunnis and Shiites by now. Or do you guys prefer Wahabism, as practiced in Saudia Arabia?

By 2D

November 7, 2006 11:52 AM | Link to this

Mara… I don’t have to directly denounce fundamentalist Christians. I can simply provide a message that is different.

You see, I believe directly denouncing someone shows an amount of hostility toward the person, rather than hostility toward the idea. That’s why I do my very best to never call anyone names or send derogatory comments directly to an individual. I respect and love each person as a human being, but may see their ideas or actions as destructive. Sorry if you or others think that is a load of crap, but that is my POV.

By Chilao

November 7, 2006 11:52 AM | Link to this

I just learned that Ocasek made No50 of the 2005 Boston Phoenix’s 100 UNsexiest people..LOL

One of his boys,(kids) at age 4, when the paparazzi would swarm him and Paulina at the airport, thought it was over Ric, the kid unaware his new Mommy(step) was the photo-object.

By kimberly

November 7, 2006 11:53 AM | Link to this

POS, your presumption of knowing what’s in my heart is beyond arrogant. Hey, why don’t you enlighten us all about the behind-the-scene dealings of the Reagan/Bush folks with the Iranians in 1980, regarding weapons and those pesky little Contra folks down in South America. Hmmm? Then you can explain why there was such a big cover-up (I’m sure they did nothing wrong or illegal, so why the secrecy?) and why Caspar Weinberger was pardoned before he could testify in 1992 in one of Bush-the-Smarter’s last official acts. Please enlighten us about all that TOO, since you remember so well. (Maybe the Iranians wouldn’t release hostages to Carter, because he had the ‘nads not to BUY THEM OFF WITH WEAPONS? But that’s just conjecture; I’m sure you’ll straigten me out.)

Oh yeah, then connect the dots on one of Bush the Current’s first official acts of his Presidency: Sealing the Reagan/Bush records on the whole thing seriously shut, denying American citizens our right to access them?

Looking forward to it, Dude.

By POS Movie Reviews

November 7, 2006 11:53 AM | Link to this

Here’s my votes for the WORST MOVIES EVER:

A Room With A View

The English Patient

Escape From LA

Some French film I saw a few years ago in which some goofy girl returns a childhood box of treasures left behind to some old man.

By Jack

November 7, 2006 11:54 AM | Link to this

That’s no fun Lozen. LOL

By Chilao

November 7, 2006 11:55 AM | Link to this

LOL @ Lozen (Now what would be the fun in that?)

By GOB

November 7, 2006 11:55 AM | Link to this

If you are on gov’t assistance you should not be allowed to vote.

Yeah, especially if you are getting disability payments because you were wounded while fighting in a war…

By POS Movie Reviews

November 7, 2006 11:58 AM | Link to this

Jack, I never got around to agreeing with you that Clint Eastwood is the last real man actor. The first R-rated movie I ever snuck in to was “Thunderbolt and Lightfoot”. Of course, “The Outlaw Josie Wales” is unreal! My personal favorite may be “Escape From Alcatraz”, however. Contrast the grittiness and coolness of Eastwood to the much more animated Paul Newman in “Cool hand Luke”.

I have to disagree with you about Chuck Norris, and even Charles Bronson as being in the same category as Eastwood, however.

By POS Movie Reviews

November 7, 2006 12:00 PM | Link to this

Kimberly, I’m not going to debate you with a ten foot pole today—obviously it’s that time of the month for you. (j/k)

By POS Movie Reviews

November 7, 2006 12:05 PM | Link to this

But, kimmy, I do enjoy your use of the word “dude”—kind of takes me back to the day. Since you’re much younger than I, where did you learn “dude”? Was it from the teenage mutant ninja turtles, or from Ashton Kucher (Dude, Where’s My Car?)?

On a serious note, anyone who missed the hippy days of the 60s and 70s really missed something. The ‘fros and the clothes were unreal!

By Chilao

November 7, 2006 12:12 PM | Link to this

Kimberly - now you know there are No Recollections of Those Events, (heah, it worked for Ollie)

By Jack

November 7, 2006 12:17 PM | Link to this

Don’t remember putting Chuck in Clint’s category. Maybe I did I only have 2 brain cells left.

By kimberly

November 7, 2006 12:17 PM | Link to this

POS, spoken like a man caught fondling his own cookies in the supply closet.

You have no answer for my valid questions, even though you claim such a good memory of late 20th-Century history; hence there must be something wrong with ME today. HAHAHA! Thanks for the validation!

By Chilao

November 7, 2006 12:18 PM | Link to this

The English Patient? Kristin Scott Thomas topless? worth it for just that alone.(yowser) Riding Arabians on that desert brought back memories for me.

By POS Movie Reviews

November 7, 2006 12:24 PM | Link to this

Kimberly, you win! I surrender completely!

P.S. to Chilao and Jack—of course my surrender is along the lines of the David Gates and Bread’s song, “Sweet Surrender”. Quoting: “I’m tasting defeat, oh what a sweet surrender”.

By POS Movie Reviews

November 7, 2006 12:28 PM | Link to this

Darn, I must have fallen asleep during the topless scene in The English Patient. Oh well. Of course, speaking of horse back riding, how about the topless horseback riding scene in “Blame It On Rio”? I still can’t believe that Michael Caine agreed to star in that one. Quite a step down from “The Man Who Would Be King”.

By POS Movie Reviews

November 7, 2006 12:32 PM | Link to this

Kimmy, I do admit that one thing puzzles me—why no man for you? From your blogging, you sound like you are a bright person, and randy to boot. Plus, if you really have red hair, where does the line start to ask you out??

By POS Love Songs

November 7, 2006 12:49 PM | Link to this

It don’t matter to me

If you really feel that

You need sometime to be free

Time to go out searching for yourself

Hoping to find time to go to find

And it don’t matter to me

If you take up with someone

Who’s better than me

‘Cause your happiness is all I want

By kimberly

November 7, 2006 12:49 PM | Link to this

So many presumptions. So little else.

By Jack

November 7, 2006 12:50 PM | Link to this

She doesn’t want hamburger, she wants steak. She deserves filet.

By Mara

November 7, 2006 12:52 PM | Link to this

kimberly - Kimberly, I’m not going to debate you with a ten foot pole today—obviously it’s that time of the month for you. joke or not, that’s what you get for enganging a known…well, you-know-what.

2D - Sorry if you or others think that is a load of crap, but that is my POV.

dunno where you got the idea that I think your opinion is a “load of crap”. Brian asked about christians speaking out against their own fundamentalists. You cited the pope. I pointed out that the pope isn’t christian…

so where did you see the disrespect?

By POS Love Songs

November 7, 2006 12:53 PM | Link to this

You are beautiful on the inside, kimberly, and that’s all that really counts. A little excessive anger here and there, but all in all a quality person IMHO. Hang in there, and be ready when your knight comes along one day.

By POS Love Songs

November 7, 2006 12:58 PM | Link to this

Then he comes to town, and you see his face, And you think you might like to take his place Somethin’ keeps him driftin’ miles and miles away Searchin’ for the songs to play.

Then you listen to the music and you like to sing along, You want to get the meaning out of each and ev’ry song Then you find yourself a message and some words to call your own And take them home.

He can make you love, he can get you high He will bring you down, then he’ll make you cry Somethin’ keeps him movin’, but no one seems to know What it is that makes him go.

Then the lights begin to flicker and the sound is getting dim The voice begins to falter and the crowds are getting thin But he never seems to notice he’s just got to find Another place to play,

Anyway got to play, anyway Got to play.

By POS Love Songs

November 7, 2006 01:02 PM | Link to this

Why do I get the feeling sometimes that if W2W were like Survivor, I would be voted off the island first? Even chuck would probably last longer. It would be funny to see Mara and kimberly backstab each other, however, when it got near the end.

Likely, Chilao would smooth talk his way to the million, with Jack taking first place on the reunion show.

By kimberly

November 7, 2006 01:10 PM | Link to this

YAWN! Yeah, thanks Mongrel. I’ll remember that while I’m sitting all alone by the phone wishing you’d call. HAHAHA! TOOOOOO funny! Thanks for cheering me up on National Republican Cheat Day. Anyone read about the FBI investigation in Virginia? When “macacca” speeches fail to inspire, just dig up some good ol’ fashioned extortion and FEAR!

By TramadoL25465

November 7, 2006 01:13 PM | Link to this

I haven’t been up to much lately. I’ve basically been doing nothing , but it’s not important. I can’t be bothered with anything recently. I’ve just been letting everything happen without me lately.

By Renee

November 7, 2006 01:18 PM | Link to this

If you are on gov’t assistance you should not be allowed to vote.

Why not? Is someone on government assitance not a US citizen. Anyone should be allowed to vote. But I think the argument for not allowing individuals on government assistance to vote, is because they may tend to vote more liberal than conservative.

Liberals are not more open-minded, in fact the opposite is true, if you don’t believe me, say something less than positive about gays on this site and see many here respond in an attacking way.

It’s not just that something “less than positive” about gays is said. It’s that everytime ANY subject comes up, somehow, by certain people, gays are immediately attacked. Why can’t you say anything positive about “gays”. You separate people into categories, between what YOU FEEL is right or wrong, and then profess Christianity, when in actuality none of your comments, statement, or opinions, reflect ANYTHING that Christianity teaches.

By POS Love Songs

November 7, 2006 01:19 PM | Link to this

Ok, kimberly, your mood today has caused me to put on John Lennon for the rest of the day. Hopefully, this bit from #9 Dream might brigthen your day a little.

Dream, dream away. Magic in the air. Was magic in the air? I believe, yes I believe. More I cannot say. What more can I say? On a river of sound. Through the mirror go round, round. I thought I could feel. Feel. Feel. Feel. Music touching my soul. Something warm, sudden cold. The spirit dance was unfolding…

By POS Love Songs

November 7, 2006 01:28 PM | Link to this

But, I suspect yuor mood is beyond help today, kimberly, so let me and John Lennon cry along with you. Here’s from a song called Why? from the Imagine album:

How can I go forward when I don’t know which way Im facing? How can I go forward when I don’t know which way to turn? How can I go forward into something I ‘m not sure of? Oh no, oh no.

How can I have feeling when I don’t know if it’s a feeling? How can I feel something if I just don’t know how to feel? How can I have feelings when my feelings have always been denied? O oh no, oh no.

How can I give love when I don’t know what it is Im giving? How can I give love when I just don’t know how to give? How can I give love when love is something I ain’t never had? Oh no, oh no.

You know life can be long And you got to be strong And the world is so tough Sometimes I feel I’ve had enough. Oh no, oh no.

By Jack

November 7, 2006 01:28 PM | Link to this

“If you are on gov’t assistance you should not be allowed to vote.”

I was a castin and only got a few bites! My real opinion on this is that everyone should be REQUIRED to vote. If you cannot make it to the polls Uncle Sam should make it easier for you. Just have to figure out how to eliminate voter fraud.

By Jack

November 7, 2006 01:30 PM | Link to this

Gotta work hard for the rest of the day. Love reign on all!!! Later Tater.

By POS Love Songs

November 7, 2006 01:33 PM | Link to this

And finally, from every man to every woman:

Woman I can hardly express, My mixed emotion at my thoughtlessness, After all I’m forever in your debt, And woman I will try express, My inner feelings and thankfullness, For showing me the meaning of success, oooh well, well, oooh well, well,

Woman I know you understand The little child inside the man, Please remember my life is in your hands, And woman hold me close to your heart, However, distant don’t keep us apart, After all it is written in the stars, oooh well, well, oooh well, well,

Woman please let me explain, I never mean(t) to cause you sorrow or pain, So let me tell you again and again and again, I love you (yeah, yeah) now and forever, I love you (yeah, yeah) now and forever, I love you (yeah, yeah) now and forever, I love you (yeah, yeah)….

By Ben Skott

November 7, 2006 01:34 PM | Link to this

People, speech codes on campus are NOT open-minded or tolerant, but they were almost all created by liberals. And there are several recent examples of liberal activists storming the stage when conservative speakers were trying to be heard. That’s not tolerance, that’s intolerance of ideas DIFFERENT than yours. It’s got nothing to do with new, merely different.

Ms. Feldman correctly mentioned that there are plenty of conservatives who are not very tolerant or open-minded. The question, however, was about liberals. Her opponent decided that meant she needed to attack conservatives instead of answering the question.

By kimberly

November 7, 2006 01:40 PM | Link to this

Jack, I’m with you now. Perhaps “required” is a bit much, but the percentage of our dumbed-down populace that actually turns out is indicative of a dangerous level of apathy. How many people can name who got kicked off American Idol, what song they sang, what line they messed up, and what they were wearing, but have no idea who represents them in government? It’s a disgrace how apathetic people are. The whole point of the government set up by Franklin, Jefferson and the gang was that people PARTICIPATE! (Although, thankfully we’ve expanded that to include more people than those originally slated for participation.) But how can we motivate people who prefer to stick their heads in the sand? I just don’t get it.

By ATLGAYREPUBLICAN

November 7, 2006 01:41 PM | Link to this

No my screen name is not a contradiction. I ideally most align with republican ideas and values. Yes I am gay so obviously I do not totally align, but as a gay man I believe in monogamy, personal financial responsibility, faith in God etc. As a gay man who is proud to consider himself republican I can tell you I continually find myself being baited by liberals and democrats who don’t really want to hear about my beliefs they want to challenge my choices…I constantly here “how can you…” “I can’t believe you…” What I hear and see is a lot of passion backed up by emotion and very little fact. I tend to debate factually using history and proven facts, but then I get accused of being cold and un-caring…I have found that I will not win a debate with a liberal because truly it is not a debate it is them arguing that I am wrong for having my opinion…so bravo Shaunti-I agree with you! I have had to open my mind and debate myself to realize why I value my stance and why I believe what I do…Do the liberals not think my first question to myself was “how can I as a gay man believe I am republican?” Of course I did, but have I ever had a democrat want to listen to my rational…no..they just want to tell me I am wrong!

By 2D

November 7, 2006 01:53 PM | Link to this

Mara… If the Pope isn’t Christian, then what is he? Roman Catholics are Christians, all Christians aren’t Roman Catholics. The same analogy can be made for Methodists, Lutherans, Baptists, etc. They are all Christians, simply different denominations. Just like Sunnis, Kurds and Shiites are all Muslim.

Also… You are correct that the Anglican communion is struggling over the issue of homosexual ordination, but the point still remains that a large group of people made their voices heard, the church is discussing it and it is being reported to the world.

One other thing… The quote you copied was directed specifically to my statement that was meant to separate my feelings for the person from their actions or beliefs. I could feel the lions ready to pounce on that one, so I wanted to diffuse it before they could.

By John Lennon

November 7, 2006 01:53 PM | Link to this

I was dreaming of the past. And my heart was beating fast, I began to lose control, I began to lose control,

I didn’t mean to hurt you, I’m sorry that I made you cry, I didn’t want to hurt you, I’m just a jealous guy,

I was feeling insecure, You night not love me any more,

I was shivering inside, I was shivering inside,

I was trying to catch your eyes, Thought that you were trying to hide, I was swallowing my pain, I was swallowing my pain.

By Big Tent Republican

November 7, 2006 02:08 PM | Link to this

ATLGAYREPUBLICAN,

What are you talking about? The Republican Party is FULL of gay people. Helloooooo? Who cares what the Democrats think? The Constitutional Amendments denying gay people the same rights as straight people are just TOOLS to get the “churchies” out at election time. We all know that when our polices only benefit a minority of the population, we can’t win elections on them. So we need to find other segments to bring on board to win seats! Hence the pandering in the churches using “GAYS” as a common enemy. No one with any brains believes it. Besides, the REAL advantage we Republicans offer gay couples is not some piece of paper from the courthouse, but to let you keep your own money! We know you’re not interested in paying for some cow’s brats to go to school! And God forbid that a dime of your money should go to those fat breeders’ medical bills, or those of her nasty little children! TAX CUTS are the key, and we know you’re on board. Thank you for your vote! (Oh, and uh, keep it in on the DL, okay? Some of us use the wife & kids as our tax shelters, and, well.. appearances, you know.)

By Bryan Ferry

November 7, 2006 02:12 PM | Link to this

Jealous Guy is a great song. Roxy Music did a cover of it that is awesome.

By John Lennon

November 7, 2006 02:14 PM | Link to this

You are my weakness, you are my strength Nothing I have in the world makes better sense Cause I’m a fish and you’re the sea

When we’re together or when we’re apart There’s never a space in between the beat of our hearts Cause I’m the apple and you’re the tree

One day at a time is all we do One day at a time is good for you

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You are my woman, I am your man Nothing else matters at all, now I understand That I’m the door and you’re the key

Every morning I wake in your smile Feeling your breath on my face and the love in your eyes Cause you’re the honey and I’m the bee

One day at a time is all we do One day at a time is good for us too (you too)

Cause I’m the fish and you’re the sea Cause I’m the apple and you’re the tree Cause I’m the door and you’re the key Cause you’re the honey and I’m the bee Related: John Lennon Lyrics John Lennon John Lennon Anthology Lyrics

By SusieHomeMaker

November 7, 2006 02:16 PM | Link to this

It’s a disgrace how apathetic people are. The whole point of the government set up by Franklin, Jefferson and the gang was that people PARTICIPATE! (Although, thankfully we’ve expanded that to include more people than those originally slated for participation.) But how can we motivate people who prefer to stick their heads in the sand? I just don’t get it.

“This boy is Ignorance. This girl is Want. Beware them both, and all of their degree, but most of all beware this boy, for on his brow I see that written which is Doom, unless the writing be erased.” Charles Dickens

By SusieHomeMaker

November 7, 2006 02:18 PM | Link to this

As a gay man who is proud to consider himself republican I can tell you I continually find myself being baited by liberals and democrats who don’t really want to hear about my beliefs they want to challenge my choices

Why did you choose to become Republican?

By John Lennon

November 7, 2006 02:19 PM | Link to this

Yes, Bryan Ferry, my buddy Brian Eno was everywhere back in the 80s. A lot of us feel that without Brian Eno’s magic, U2 wouldn’t have made it where they are today.

By John Lennon

November 7, 2006 02:25 PM | Link to this

If you want to go “all the way”, check out Eno and Fripp together on “Evening Star”. It features classics such as “Wind on Water” and “Wind on Wind”. If you want something more rocking, try “801 Live” featuring Phil Manzanera on guitar. The live versions of “Baby’s On Fire” and “Diamondhead” are out of this world.

By SusieHomeMaker

November 7, 2006 02:35 PM | Link to this

Jack: If you are on gov’t assistance you should not be allowed to vote

That was awful!!! So that means darn near everyone who lives in the Appalachian mountains (the poorest part of the nation that has the highest percentage of people on government assistance), shouldn’t vote? Even if they’ve shed blood for the US? Like Mr. Perdue Chicken says, “That’s crazy talk”.

By Democritus

November 7, 2006 02:41 PM | Link to this

I am totally perplexed by what those labels or stereotypes mean any more. Once upon a time, there was a reasonably predictable political meaning attached to each term. Now, there is not. Open-minded is just as complex a term. If I listen politely to your argument, then chose to adhere to my own reasoning, is that open-mindedness? Is it termed open-mindedness only when I change my point of view? Is open-mindedness the willingness to have my point of view altered, if the right information is presented? Due to the skilled spin-masters of both parties, all of these terms have come to mean simply, “if you don’t agree with me, you’re close-minded.” Liberal means one thing in the mind of a liberal and another in the mind of conservative. A conservative means one thing in the mind of a true liberal (someone who is a human rights advocate) and another in the mind of one who calls himself a conservative. In sum, none of us are open-minded. All of us stick to our own philosophies unless brutally shaken by an event or circumstances. The fine art of debate is all but dead.

By SusieHomeMaker

November 7, 2006 02:41 PM | Link to this

Susie… Interesting. You are the first person who has indicated that nowhere in the Koran is there the talk of violence or violence toward those not of the same faith. Even the Muslim scholars I’ve heard on the radio or in person site passages referencing such things and subsequently state that they may be taken out of context. At the very best, they stay quiet and say nothing. That can only lead me to believe one of two things: either they are fearful to say something or they agree.

2D: Sorry i’m just getting back with u; i had a busy day yesterday. Anyway basically what i said was that I had not read that part in the Koran. Now you pulled up parts of the Koran and posted what you saw and the parts that u posted had extreme language in it. O.k. — so if I pulled parts of the bible, (that deals with death of non believers, [philistines, etc], and the death of whole nations by God, [sodom & gommorrah]), if you were someone who did not know personally about God’s love, what would you think of those passages?

By 2D

November 7, 2006 02:48 PM | Link to this

Kimberly… I feel your pain! But where you are “PC” to say it is good that the voting populous has expanded, I suggest the founders would disagree. They knew and acted upon what we as a “PC” society will not acknowledge or act upon.

The general population is apathetic. The general population is fickle. The general population is easily manipulated. The general population does not have the time nor the desire to research and understand the intricacies of national and international politics. I certainly don’t and I give it a good try.

That is more than likely why the Consitution originally limited the who could vote and what they could vote for. But noone cares! Shoot. There are factions in this country who won’t even make a photo ID (whether or not its free) a requirement to vote. Do you think those people care about whether or not the voters actually know anything or give a damn.

By The Man In Black

November 7, 2006 02:52 PM | Link to this

If any of you are curious how Michael Stipe came up with “It’s The End of the World as We Know It”, just go to the Johnny Cash link below and click on “I’ve Been Everywhere”:

http://www.amazon.com/Legend-Johnny-Cash/dp/B000BISBDY/sr=1-5/qid=1162928850/ref=sr15/102-1034819-0264148?ie=UTF8&s=music

While you are there, click on “Folsom Prison Blues” or “Get Rythm” for some entertainment.

By The Man In Black

November 7, 2006 02:55 PM | Link to this

Originally, only landowners could vote. Kind of makes a little bit of sense to me even in today’s world.

By The Man In Black

November 7, 2006 02:58 PM | Link to this

It may be a coincidence, but did anyone notice how much the stock market has gone up since Kerry put his foot in his mouth last week? It’s up again today. Anyone smelling a Republican victory?

By Jack

November 7, 2006 03:12 PM | Link to this

Susie Dear, you took the bait. :)

By Jack

November 7, 2006 03:14 PM | Link to this

Go ask Alice when she’s ten feet tall….

By Paul Kantner

November 7, 2006 03:20 PM | Link to this

Do you remember “We Can Be Together”, Jack, by The Jefferson Airplane? For a while, I think we did believe that mantra back in the 60s and 70s.

Heck, I used to think Archie Bunker was the villain on All In the Family. Now, I AM ARCHIE.

By Paul Kantner

November 7, 2006 03:26 PM | Link to this

Well, time to go vote. Shouldn’t take long to vote straight Republican. Except for Gary Black for Agricultural Commissioner. Better to stick with Tommy Irvin.

By HijackThis

November 7, 2006 03:28 PM | Link to this

Hijack the StarShip, MFers. Let’s Go, Let’s Take it Over.

By VOTE !

November 7, 2006 03:30 PM | Link to this

Out of 535 Members of Congress (435/House+100/Senate) there are 74 Women 61/House and 13/Senate 38 African-Americans, all in the House. 21 Hispanics, all in the House. Asians and Pacific Islanders 6/House and 2/Senate. 2 Native Americans, 1/House; 1/Senate. Members who were foreign born: 6/House; 0/Senate. Do YOU feel adequately represented?

By Paul Kantner

November 7, 2006 03:32 PM | Link to this

Favorite Bunker quotes: “Meathead, it don’t TAKE all kinds, there just ARE all kinds.” and “When in Rome, do as the Romains”.

Jean Stapleton should receive more credit for her acting. Look how many shows spun off from All In the Family as proof of its genius (for its time): The Jeffersons and Maude among them.

By Jack

November 7, 2006 03:43 PM | Link to this

We are all outlaws in the eyes of America.

By Mara

November 7, 2006 03:50 PM | Link to this

2D - I didn’t know the Pope wasn’t christian either, but I distinctly remember this forum having that very argument. If I remember correctly it had something to do with the way they worship and the fact that they don’t call upon Jesus Christ to bless them. (shrug) Either way, no skin off me.

I don’t know why you seem to think that I’m just a-waitin’ to pounce on you. I may not agree with everything you say, and I may post items that refute your actual statements (as opposed to the spirit of the opinion) but that doesn’t mean I don’t like you or that I don’t have respect for you. Just look at Jack and I. We disagree all the time and even snipe at each other sometimes, but I don’t assume that everything he says to me is designed to disrespect my opinion. Personally, I think you are a thoughtful and moderate voice.

hope that helps clear the air a bit.

By Archie

November 7, 2006 03:53 PM | Link to this

The general population is apathetic. The general population is fickle. The general population is easily manipulated. The general population does not have the time nor the desire to research and understand the intricacies of national and international politics. I certainly don’t and I give it a good try.

2d, we don’t always agree but those statements are so true. I mean I read newspapers but those last two sentences would apply to me sometimes. My first major was journalism so I know people can and are manipulated by the media. Terrell Owens should not be villified the way he is but because the media needs something to print or talk about 24 hours he’s one of their favorites. John Kerry’s bad joke should not have gotten that much press but since he bashed Bush the media drug that out. People can tell you more about the Gold club story years ago than they can tell you about the intricacies of the weapons of mass destruction story. You realize that rarely is a husband and wife shown making out on tv but unmarried couples making out are usually shown to be so romantic. Jehovah Witnesses do not vote because of religion but so many others just don’t care.

By Paul Kantner

November 7, 2006 03:54 PM | Link to this

Ok, didn’t take too long to vote. Very light turnout at the Lilburn precinct. I went with three Dems, Depts. of labor, Agriculture, and Attorney General. My US rep used to be David Scott, but I was redistricted over to Cynthia McKinney’s old territory. The only race I’m watching closely is for Judge Mike Wiggins. I’m sure Sonny will be shoo-in.

By Jorma Kaukonen

November 7, 2006 04:02 PM | Link to this

Any Hot Tuna fans here? I’m feeling some “Hesitation Blues” coming on. Hopefully no “Blows Against The Empire” today at the polls.

BTW, in her day, Grace Slick was a HOTTIE. Very smart too, before the booze got her.

By Jack

November 7, 2006 04:05 PM | Link to this

2D. Maybe you should try some of “Jack & Mara’s Famous” stew. We disagree often but we agree that our stew is the best! (wink,wink)

By Jorma Kaukonen

November 7, 2006 04:11 PM | Link to this

I can’t be sure, Chilao, but I think DOG’s record collection might give yours a run for the money. He has more than 100 Grateful Dead discs alone. Plus, toss in the rap, the funk, the metal, and the jazz, you better have over 1000 cds to match it.

Then, we gotta start in on the vinyl, stuff like Barclay James Harvest and Focus. On the comedy side there is Firesign theatre (Nick Danger, Third Eye), along with an original Big Bambu album (minus the rolling paper, of course)

By The Dominator

November 7, 2006 04:16 PM | Link to this

Mara, out of curiosity, which driver does your husband pull for at NASCAR? Don’t tell me you guys are rainbow warriors.

Of course, real racing ended in February, 2001, at Daytona on the fourth turn.

By Jorma Kaukonen

November 7, 2006 04:20 PM | Link to this

I think the bravest guy I ever saw (or maybe the dumbest) was this guy who volunteered to blow shotguns for everyone using a Big Bambu doobie. The cherry on that thing had to be 2 inches across. Ah, the good old days.

By Chilao

November 7, 2006 04:20 PM | Link to this

Dog, You WON! You WON! More cds than me. I only have one Greatful Dead(oops, Grateful) to boot, (and only wanted one…Skeletons in the Closet.LOL)

Congrats! You WON!

By Chilao

November 7, 2006 04:21 PM | Link to this

oh god, a number three-er, should known. SNORT

By Jorma Kaukonen

November 7, 2006 04:25 PM | Link to this

Plus, how about the underground comix back then? R Crumb ruled the world. Also deserving mention were The Fabulous Furry Freak Bros. comix. I still remember Freewheeling Franklin well.

BTW, if any of you ever want to see a truly freaky movie, rent “Crumb”, which is the true life story of R Crumb and his family. Extraordinarily talented family, but truly weird.

By Jorma Kaukonen

November 7, 2006 04:31 PM | Link to this

Actually, I claim to be a Gordon fan just to annoy the Rednecks. After Dale died, I was up in NJ and saw some guy had painted a huge “3” of the side of his house facing the highway. You see, rednecks don’t live just in the South. In fact, areas of South Jersey were sympathetic to the SOuth during the Civil War. A lot of folks don’t realize that parts of Jersey are actually south of the Mason-Dixon line.

By Jack

November 7, 2006 04:32 PM | Link to this

Hocus Pokus

By Jorma Kaukonen

November 7, 2006 04:32 PM | Link to this

Seriously, Chilao, if you’re not familiar with The Firesign Theatre Improv Group, you should check them out. They came out of Canada, long before The Kids In the Hall.

By Jorma Kaukonen

November 7, 2006 04:34 PM | Link to this

Thanks for calling me a #3, Chilao. I assume that is an improvement over you’re initial assessment that I was strictly #2.

By lozen

November 7, 2006 04:35 PM | Link to this

“That is more than likely why the Consitution originally limited the who could vote and what they could vote for.” Yeah, they sure didn’t want any women, blacks, asians, or indians voting did they? Ahhhh, they weren’t patriarchal and prejudiced, they were just protecting everyone from apathy.

By Jorma Kaukonen

November 7, 2006 04:37 PM | Link to this

If you ever want to hear some real GD, Chilao, try “Hundred Year Hall” or any of the Dick’s Picks series. They just weren’t a good studio band, so “Skeletons” is considered on the lame side by Deadheads.

By Chilao

November 7, 2006 04:40 PM | Link to this

Thanks for calling me a #3, Chilao. I assume that is an improvement over you’re initial assessment that I was strictly #2.

Good one.

I actually saw one of the No_3 cars and was allowed to touch it.(I declined) free of charge even. around 2002. I was at a dragstrip for the jet engine cars. actually I was there because a friend was showing a restored Chevy. 1964 Impala SS.

By Jorma Kaukonen

November 7, 2006 04:41 PM | Link to this

The greatest Dead recording, other than “The Closing of Winterland”, was a hidden track on Dick’s Picks 13, Disc 2, following track 4. Hidden there is a nearly hour-long Scarlet/Fire that defines what psychedelic rock was meant to be. After I played it for a friend once, he remarked “So that’s why you guys think Jerry is GOD”.

By Chilao

November 7, 2006 04:42 PM | Link to this

Since our whole country is State-centered(Senate trumps House, elected for 6 years versus the common people only two years),

elections should probably be held by just the governors and Senators voting for President.

I jest, just making a point.

By Jorma Kaukonen

November 7, 2006 04:44 PM | Link to this

Here’s the opening lyrics from “Scarlet Begonias”:

As I was walkin’ round Grosvenor Square Not a chill to the winter but a nip to the air From the other direction she was calling my eye It could be an illusion but I might as well try Might as well try.

She had rings on her fingers and bells on her shoes, And I knew without askin’ she was into the blues Scarlet begonias tucked into her curls I knew right away she was not like other girls— other girls

By Jorma Kaukonen

November 7, 2006 04:47 PM | Link to this

And here’s from the Summer of Love:

Look for awhile at the China Cat Sunflower proud-walking jingle in the midnight sun Copper-dome Bodhi drip a silver kimono like a crazy-quilt stargown through a dream night wind

Krazy Kat peeking through a lace bandana like a one-eyed Cheshire like a diamond-eye Jack A leaf of all colors plays a golden string fiddle to a double-e waterfall over my back

By Jorma Kaukonen

November 7, 2006 04:50 PM | Link to this

I got into racing back in the late 80s when I married a Goergia Peach. They were strictly Elliot fans, but my FIL also liked Rusty Wallace for some reason.

By Jorma Kaukonen

November 7, 2006 04:53 PM | Link to this

When we have more time, I’ll tell you all stories about the Pine Barrens and the Jersey Devil. The poor thing was sired by the Devil himself, and had cloven hoofs as a result. There are many homes in South Jersey with the mark of the cloven hoof on their roofs.

By Chilao

November 7, 2006 04:53 PM | Link to this

I didn’t think the GD were good live, too ‘psychedelic’ not my kind of music, unless I was into doing a ‘lude and passing out, which I am not/never was into doing.

saw the Allman Brothers in Memphis one year, and lo and behold if they didn’t do some 1/2 hour or longer ‘pyschedelic segment’ lights and all.

in about 1995 or so. we almost walked…..

By Jorma Kaukonen

November 7, 2006 04:57 PM | Link to this

Well, it should be a blast watching the news tonight. Election nights are always fun to see how the predictions pan out. Again, by all rights, the Republicans should lose up to 40 seats in the House and Senate based on the unpopularity of the Iraq War, but I’m predicting less than 10 seats lost total due to Kerry’s gaffe last week.

By Jorma Kaukonen

November 7, 2006 05:00 PM | Link to this

Sadly, the Allman Bros were never the same after the tragedies of the early 1970s took a few key band members, most notably Duane Allman. If you ever want to hear Duane wial, get the Layla Collection, and play the “jams” cd in which Duane and Clapton improvise.

By

November 7, 2006 09:25 PM | Link to this

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By TramadoL69012

November 8, 2006 01:36 AM | Link to this

Basically nothing noteworthy happening right now, but eh. Today was a complete loss. I haven’t been up to much recently. I’ve pretty much been doing nothing worth mentioning.

By Chilao

November 8, 2006 07:11 AM | Link to this

It is a Good Day for America.

hehaw

As I pointed out long ago, right here, control can change in ONE election, so some should not have been getting so smug about 12 years control.

It is a Good Day for America.

By Mara

November 8, 2006 07:34 AM | Link to this

Hey Chilao. A good day indeed! Man-on-Dog Santorum is history! Arizona chose not to implement a ban on gay marriage, and the voters in South Dakota firmly told their state legislature what they could do woth that draconian abortion ban. Now, if only Tester and Webb win their respective battles in Montana and Virginia…heh, heh, heh :^)

Oh, and I now have a Constitutional right to hunt and fish in Georgia. LOL!! Glad we covered the important stuff too!!

By chuck

November 8, 2006 08:09 AM | Link to this

Good Morning. 2008 is going to be mighty interesting. Anybody notice that Heath Schuler won a House seat in N. Carolina as a CONSERVATIVE democrat? What is up with that? I don’t understand why a conservative would run as a democrat. He’s going to b lonlier than than a fat cell on Nicole Ritchie.

By Brian Curtis

November 8, 2006 08:11 AM | Link to this

Very enjoyable results for the country overall, with a few notable exceptions. (I’m disappointed in Tennessee for failing to rise up to Harold Ford’s level, but I’m not surprised Republican Lieberman won a lot of Republican votes in Vermont. Georgia, of course, will be lost to the Repugnicans as long as there are black people to hate.)

As to this week’s question, “Are liberals more open minded?” Not always… but we are more often RIGHT. And as of yesterday’s results, that may be enough.

By Brian Curtis

November 8, 2006 08:34 AM | Link to this

By the way, did anyone notice the gas prices? After being artificially lowered and locked-in to hold steady for a solid week leading up to the election… now they’ve started climbing upward again, by leaps and bounds.

Not that I’m suggesting oil companies would have a reason to interfere with our democratic processes. Heavens, no. Where would anyone get such a crazy idea?

By chuck

November 8, 2006 08:39 AM | Link to this

Actually BC, Lieberman is from Connecticutt

By chuck

November 8, 2006 08:40 AM | Link to this

And there are only about 20 Republicans IN CONNECTICUT.

By Brian Curtis

November 8, 2006 08:45 AM | Link to this

Ooops. I can never keep those New England Republicans straight. Thanks for the correction, Chuck.

By Chilao

November 8, 2006 08:55 AM | Link to this

and I was WRONG, Wrong I say, about Diebold-INC fixing the election.

But like a REAL MAN,(flexing my muscles in front of the mirror, wearing some little skinny bikini thingy), I can ADMIT my mistakes. LMAO

Oh, GREAT POST from Rebecca a few days back.

By Renee

November 8, 2006 08:58 AM | Link to this

Vermont didn’t have a say in Lieberman.

By Brian Curtis

November 8, 2006 09:00 AM | Link to this

And speaking of “keeping Republicans straight”… are there any left who aren’t closeted, drug-addled, or corrupt a la Abramoff?

Maybe the Repugs should try running some of those as candidates next time—if they can find any. Openly gay legislators seem much more trustworthy than the self-loathing, hypocritical kind.

By Chilao

November 8, 2006 09:03 AM | Link to this

BC- I thought the same thing about gas prices, the percentage drop of a barrel since August was a lot less than the percentage drop in a gallon at the pump. Suspicious at any rate, why donate to PACS when you can control the economy. cynical….(I know)

But supposedly the gas price drop had to do with a surplus of refined gas, a glut caused by reduction in consumption due to high prices. In other words, oil companies over-produced for actual end-use demand, due to consumers cutting back. And now that the glut is consumed, falling prices are leveling off.

By Brian Curtis

November 8, 2006 09:04 AM | Link to this

And speaking of “keeping Republicans straight”… are there any left who aren’t closeted, drug-addled, or corrupt a la Abramoff?

Maybe the Repugs should try running some of those as candidates next time—if they can find any. Openly gay legislators seem much more trustworthy than the self-loathing, hypocritical kind.

By Deacon Blues

November 8, 2006 09:21 AM | Link to this

Good Morning, DEMS—Congratulations on your election victories. The Dems did a good job getting the vote out yesterday, so I have to give credit where credit is due. DOG takes his hat off to you all!

By Deacon Blues

November 8, 2006 09:24 AM | Link to this

Of course, it will be tough putting up with all of BC’s inane braying today. Nothing worse than a poor winner. Even Mara will likely be easier to endure.

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By Deacon Blues

November 8, 2006 09:27 AM | Link to this

So, I’ll be playing Steely Dan all day to help feed the depression and insanity concerning the election results. “They’ve got a name for the winners in the world, I want a name when I lose. They call Alabama the Crimson Tide, call me Deacon Blue”.

By Troglodyke

November 8, 2006 09:30 AM | Link to this

It IS a great day, though it is an empty victory. Bush will dust off his cobweb-crusted veto pen and stymie the Dems at every turn for the next 2 years.

But this election does something really cool: it sends a huge message to the pols that people are fed up. It doesn’t get much clearer than that.

Did the evangelical base poop out, as was predicted? Or did the non-evangelicals just come out in record numbers?

I wish the Libertarians had shown better. That was disappointing, though not unexpected.

By Deacon Blues

November 8, 2006 09:35 AM | Link to this

Better yet, here’s my favorite Steely Dan lyrics, from “Your Gold Teeth II” from the Katy Lied album:

Who are these strangers Who pass through the door Who cover your action And go you one more If you’re feeling lucky You best not refuse It’s your game the rules Are your own win or lose

Throw out your gold teeth And see how they roll The answer they reveal Life is unreal

By Chilao

November 8, 2006 09:35 AM | Link to this

I think the Republicans have proven they can be just as Corrupt, Slimey and Unethical as members of some OTHER political parties. LOL

By Brian Curtis

November 8, 2006 09:35 AM | Link to this

Awww, sounds like somebody’s bitter at being proven wrong yet again. So sorry, Bruno, but reality just insists on not conforming to your psychotic fantasies.

By Chilao

November 8, 2006 09:36 AM | Link to this

Renee - did the Socialist win in Vermont? Cannot remember what position, but it was a D.C.-bound one.

By Archie

November 8, 2006 09:37 AM | Link to this

Not that I’m suggesting oil companies would have a reason to interfere with our democratic processes. Heavens, no. Where would anyone get such a crazy idea?

Brian, I thought about the same thing and friends of mine did as well. I have said this high gas price thing was a crock all along but the since the public is so easily manipulated with false information nothing gets done. I really would like to see somebody in power have the guts to challenge these oil companies and stop lying to the public.

By Deacon Blues

November 8, 2006 09:38 AM | Link to this

Trog, I agree that a third party would introduce more real competition into the political process. I voted twice for Ross Perot even though I knew he was a nut simply to get a viable third party going.

By blablabla

November 8, 2006 09:39 AM | Link to this

but I’m not surprised Republican Lieberman won a lot of Republican votes in Vermont.

As to this week’s question, “Are liberals more open minded?” Not always… but we are more often RIGHT.

the juxtaposition of those comments by brian is really funny, on several levels. the least of which is that vermont actually elected bernie sanders, whom the ajc described as an “avowed socialist”.

thanks for the early morning laugh, brian (all in good fun). personally i’m thrilled that elliot spitzer was elected governor of georgia yesterday. lol.

By Deacon Blues

November 8, 2006 09:40 AM | Link to this

Special hello to kimberly. Hopefully all the Dem victories will brighten your day!

By Deacon Blues

November 8, 2006 09:44 AM | Link to this

BC—go ahead and bray. You can’t win any arguments on your own merit, so go ahead and hide behind the skirts of your newly elected Dem buddies.

By Chilao

November 8, 2006 09:44 AM | Link to this

Now you know good and well Georgia ain’g going to be electing any dang New York Yankee for ANYTHING.

Or has hell frozen over? LOL

By blablabla

November 8, 2006 09:47 AM | Link to this

glad to know that regardless of political affiliation, i’m not the only one around here with a sense of humor, chilao.

By Deacon Blues

November 8, 2006 09:51 AM | Link to this

Well, all my stocks are up again this AM (so far), so maybe I’ll have to switch parties. Go DEMS!!

By Deacon Blues

November 8, 2006 09:59 AM | Link to this

Here’s a tribute to our own W2W Sisters, kimberly, Mara, Renee, SusieHomemaker, and lozen:

We’ll jog with show folk on the sand Drink kirschwasser from a shell San Francisco show and tell Well I should know by now That it’s just a spasm Like a Sunday in T.J. That it’s cheap but it’s not free That I’m not what I used to be And that love’s not a game for three

Babylon sisters shake it Babylon sisters shake it So fine so young Tell me I’m the only one

By Mara

November 8, 2006 10:04 AM | Link to this

Hey Bla!!

Chilao - and I was WRONG, Wrong I say, about Diebold-INC fixing the election

just because the Dems won doesn’t mean the counts were accurate. It just means that the tampering, if there was any, was ineffective.

still waiting on the Montana and Virginia senate totals -

By Chilao

November 8, 2006 10:08 AM | Link to this

Good Point MARA. Are there any contested elections going on?

Hi, BLAH, did not realize that was you until later, with the Spitzer remark.

Ima IceSkating in Hell.

By Deacon Blues

November 8, 2006 10:09 AM | Link to this

Chilao, I’ve been thinking about your lack of appreciation for psychedelic music. It’s all in the preparation, my friend.

By Renee

November 8, 2006 10:10 AM | Link to this

I wish the Libertarians had shown better. That was disappointing, though not unexpected.

I agree, however, I think they have done better than previous elections. Slow and steady wins the race, lol.

By Renee

November 8, 2006 10:12 AM | Link to this

Yes, Chilao, Bernie Sanders took it away.

He had MAJOR support here. I personally think he was the best choice.

By Deacon Blues

November 8, 2006 10:13 AM | Link to this

Mara—I’m still waiting to hear about your NASCAR family loyalty. Your lack of response suggests strongly to me that you are rainbow warriors.

As a joke one time, I covered all of the “3” stickers on one of my client’s trucks with “24” stickers. They were removable, so no permanent harm done. You should have seen the look on the guy’s face—priceless.

By Renee

November 8, 2006 10:14 AM | Link to this

heyyyyy bla!!! how goes it!!!!!!! How are Mrs blah and baby blah?

By TramadoL8097

November 8, 2006 10:16 AM | Link to this

Not much on my mind these days, but what can I say? It’s not important. I just don’t have much to say lately. I’ve just been letting everything pass me by recently, but eh.

By Chilao

November 8, 2006 10:18 AM | Link to this

I think you have to be psychotic to appreciate pyschedelic music, maybe that is why I never…oh, never mind. LOL

By blablabla

November 8, 2006 10:21 AM | Link to this

hello, mara & chilao.

chilao - i am a native ny’er and follow the politics of my home state. get used to spitzer - he’s not going away - his eyes are on a bigger prize than gov of ny.

By chuck

November 8, 2006 10:22 AM | Link to this

The dems are actually a lot better when they don’t have to govern. It will be interesting to see if they actually TRY to govern or if they will spend their only 2 years in power investigating the administration.

Let’s face it. Clinton’s butt was saved by the Republicans taking power in 1994. He would NEVER have been reelected were it not for that. The country was going in the right direction economically because of Republican tax cuts. He was smart enough to ride the waves without rocking the boat.

As for this election, Bush may have a SHARE of the blame…maybe 25%, but the majority of the blame goes to the Senate where the moderates kept us from fully implementing the conservative agenda. Where Bush got it WRONG was in troop levels in Iraq. The best thing we could have done would have been to send in massive numbers of soldiers to get a handle on the insurgency when it first showed its pointy little terrorist head.

The Senate on the other hand spent too much time backing away from policy rather than confronting and improving it. Frist is a wimp. They also demanded too many spending additions to House Bills when they got to conference committees. They let the liberals control the dialogue and they ran out of ideas. They were reduced to “tax cuts for the rich” and “free spenders” by the media and did NOTHING to stem the tide.

I really think this will be a wake up call for the GOP to get back to its Social AND Economic Conservative ways. Now if we could just find a candidate for 2008 besides McCain and Giuliani. John Kasich maybe?

By kimberly

November 8, 2006 10:24 AM | Link to this

Mara’s right. With close recounts in Virginia and Montana, don’t think the GOP will go down without some lawsuits, accusations, and dirty tricks. They’re not going to just let go.

Not as happy today as I thought I’d be. Probably because my home state is filled with STUPID REDNECK ILLITERATE HICKS who (and they’ll tell you this) vote against their own financial interests now because they hope to someday be rich. (Mega Millions - any day now!) But what can you expect in a state where only SIX of TEN actually make it through high school, and half of those who do can’t even do basic math, let alone read news of any depth. And let’s not forget the church sheeple who are upset ‘cause Pastor told ‘em God’s fixin’ to smite us all for ‘bortion bein’ legal, and gays bein’ allowed to live among us. Although to be fair, most people in MY district care about one thing, and one thing only: their own tax cuts. Since their kids do not fight in the war, mismanagement doesn’t bother them, and since their kids go to private school, they don’t care about the education of others. And if a working family loses everything ‘cause daddy had a heart attack but not enough insurance, well, who cares? Good Christians are born into money, don’t you know? Poor people deserve to starve. It’s God’s will or some sh-t like that.

Still, I thought Cathy Cox would have made a terrific governor. Too bad Taylor blew it for all of us by not knowing when to step back from the buffet.

By Jack

November 8, 2006 10:25 AM | Link to this

Hey Bla. Hope all is well with Mom & baby. Cool ain’t it?

The people have spoken. Let’s see what the new congress does. Hopefully they won’t be taking more money out of our paychecks.

By Mara

November 8, 2006 10:27 AM | Link to this

Chilao - as far as I know, none of the results are being contested. Naturally both parties have sent lawyers out to Mont and Virg to watch and wait. So far, so good…

By 2D

November 8, 2006 10:29 AM | Link to this

Deacon… BC and all of the other Dems has every reason to thump their chests this morning. They ran great races and convinced America to give them a chance to change the direction of the country. I disagree with nearly every view commonly portrayed by the Democratic party, but I for one am willing to see if they can make a difference.

After a big win, let’s see how everything, including the Democratic party, reacts. Moving forward with a great agenda, and not going t** for tat with Republicans by launching countless investigations, would be the best thing the victors could do.

Right now, the unemployment rate is at an all time low, the stock market is at an all time high and we’ve had 18 consecutive quarters of economic growth. If they can continue those trends in addition to recreating the budget surpluses in our government, then huge kudos would be deserved.

By Deacon Blues

November 8, 2006 10:30 AM | Link to this

Kimberly, Please get the album “Genesis”, and play two songs for me: “You’re Taking It All Too Hard”, then “It’s Gonna Get Better”. You sound like you need a musical hug today.

By blablabla

November 8, 2006 10:33 AM | Link to this

heyyyyy, renee.

things are good. baby bla is 5 1/2 weeks old. she’s a treat altho we’re still getting used to each other. mrs bla and i are very tired and grouchy a lot but we’re starting to get baby bla on a regular schedule. that is starting to make a real difference. it alternates between a ton of fun a dose of frustration. it’s pretty amazing to look at this little creature and realize that she is a living, breathing person that will grow and talk and walk, etc. there is still a big sense of wonderment. halloween was fun to dress her up in little outfits and take her picture. she’s at the stage where she’s opening her eyes a lot and looking around, making more noises and every now and then…smiling. the dogs are jealous as he!!, but they’ll get over it. mrs bla is recovering nicely, and will start to get to do more things starting next week. i know she’s looking forward to getting back to her exercise routine.

By Mara

November 8, 2006 10:33 AM | Link to this

but kimberly, at least now you have the Constitutional right to hunt and fish in GA!! That’s the important thing….

ROTFLMAO!!!

(sorry…the whole silly-a* “constitutional right” thing amuses the heck outta me. How could I not mock it?)

By Phil Collins

November 8, 2006 10:33 AM | Link to this

kimberly, i just got a call you needed me:

Why can’t you see what’s going on? I know you’d never admit You would ever be to blame Everything’s a game to you The old days are gone And they’re better left alone I cannot help you, it’s much too late

There’s always a reason why it happened You never never did anything wrong, but it It just happened to fall apart You’re taking it all too hard

Now that it’s dark, all of your fears, Like shadows creeping around. You’re much too scared to look down And it’s lonely out on your own

The old days are gone And they’re better left alone But I still miss you I keep it to myself

No not this confused again No not the same mistakes again You’re taking it all to heart You’re taking it all too hard

By Brian Curtis

November 8, 2006 10:34 AM | Link to this

Mara: True, the overall happy results shouldn’t blind us to the fact that there were still polling problems. Some machines failed entirely, others were delayed by technical bugs, and plenty of voters still had to wait around in long lines needlessly. A verifiable paper trail is still urgently needed, as is disclosure of the code that tracks and counts votes.

Chuck: I couldn’t agree more! Keep pushing the Republicans farther to the right. Help them embrace the neocon AND fundie-nutcase agenda. It will show the moderate and liberal majority of this country exactly how deranged the Far Right has become, and ensure more Republican defeats. Thanks, and keep up the good work!

BBB: You’re right, that was a silly mistake I made—especially given the statement that came right after it!

Aside to Republicans: Did you see what I did there? I admitted a mistake. Try it sometime.

By Phil Collins

November 8, 2006 10:37 AM | Link to this

And here’s one for the Dems across the country:

So reach out, hands in the air, Don’t care just what they’re saying Hold out, just keep on hoping against hope That it’s gonna get better Don’t worry, there’s no hurry for you, for me, Everything’s gonna come around Shout out, someone will listen to you, to me, Someone’s gonna see…

If it’s gonna get better, it starts with a feeling If it’s gonna get better, it’s gonna take time If it’s gonna get better, we gotta start now cos I know, everybody can feel it and I know, everybody will see it cos it shows, and that shows I’m not dreaming cos you know, and I know, it’s time for a change

By chuck

November 8, 2006 10:37 AM | Link to this

Hey Kimmie. Glad to see you taking it so well. You know there are 2 interstates that will take you as far NORTH as you want to go.

On a more positive note…it was good to see Kathy Cox win an election and Cathy Cox LOSE ONE. I’ve got to say that I enjoyed that. I have to wonder though if she won because she’s a conservative or rather because Dems aren’t smart enough to tell the difference in spelling. I guess we will never know. One reason Republicans do so well in Georgia is that we took straight party ticket voting off of the ballot. Now the dems actually have to READ the ballots to vote.

By Jack

November 8, 2006 10:41 AM | Link to this

I think Taylor lost because he slung too much mud and the voters are sick of it. Didn’t think Majette was going to win, she couldn’t be elected for dog-catcher after opening the door for Miss Cynthia.

By blablabla

November 8, 2006 10:43 AM | Link to this

hey, jack. it’s very cool.

breath, kimberly.

By Brian Curtis

November 8, 2006 10:43 AM | Link to this

2D: Thanks, but I’m actually not a Democrat. I’m a Green.

But any step back from the abyss, no matter how small, is an encouraging sign.

By Chilao

November 8, 2006 10:46 AM | Link to this

Blah - that was/s-b “anything in Georgia’, the original post being ‘governor of Georgia’.

I actually for the first time EVER, voted a straight-party ticket, since i USUALLY go 3rd-4th-5th party voting.

By The Old Yin-Yang

November 8, 2006 10:47 AM | Link to this

chuck, what do you bet that the Dems try to take credit for the upcoming successful resolution to the Iraq War?

By 2D

November 8, 2006 10:49 AM | Link to this

Brian… I apologize for the misspeak. I hope you didn’t see that as an insult, b/c it was not at all meant to be.

By The Old Yin-Yang

November 8, 2006 10:50 AM | Link to this

I’m starting to wonder if kimberly isn’t high maintenance after all. Those hormones of hers sure seem to hit some hellacious peaks and valleys.

By chuck

November 8, 2006 10:52 AM | Link to this

Hey Brian, how many greenies were elected in Georgia this year?

By Brian Curtis

November 8, 2006 10:53 AM | Link to this

2D: Not a problem! I’ve been presumed gay here too, for the “crime” of defending gay rights.

By The Old Yin-Yang

November 8, 2006 10:55 AM | Link to this

Quick aside—Did anyone notice the Spa Sydell advertisement at the top of the W2W column? They apparently are using a comedy/tragedy theatrical mask as their emblem. The artwork is poor, however, so to me it looks more like an athletic supporter. Or, it could pass as a rendition of the sacrum, the big bone at the end of our spine. Any thoughts, bloggers?

By chuck

November 8, 2006 10:57 AM | Link to this

There unfortunately is probably not going to be a successful resolution to the war in Iraq now. The dems will do their best to turn it into a permanent quagmire so that they have a chance to winn the presidency back in ‘08.

I hate to sound cynical, but unfortunately both parties at the national level spend way too much time worrying about reelection and not nearly enough time taking care of business.

By Renee

November 8, 2006 10:58 AM | Link to this

I’m not surprised Sonny was elected to another term. Georgia has always been a Republican state, at least in MY voting life, so it has nothing to do with Democrats not being able to read the ballot.

Georgia has that “good ole boy” mentality and anytime your governor is named “Sonny” you know you are in trouble!!

By The Old Yin-Yang

November 8, 2006 11:00 AM | Link to this

BC—are you sure it is your “defense” of gay rights that leads others to believe you are gay? Couldn’t have anything to do with your swishy ways, could it?

By Renee

November 8, 2006 11:02 AM | Link to this

blah - I’m so glad to hear that everyone is well!!! I’m sure your daughter is precious…treasure these times. Because what I’m going through with my daughter at 16, it’s hard to believe she was that beautiful, innocent angel of a baby…

By 2D

November 8, 2006 11:04 AM | Link to this

Kimberly… I’m not sure why you are ripping your home state so badly? I’m not from Georgia, but would never rip my home state the way you are right now, regardless of who they voted into office.

Also, keep in mind that a Democrat was governor of this state for nearly a century before 2002, so if you don’t like where this state is on a variety of fronts, you might want to start at the top and realize it takes more than four years to cause or fix the problems.

Another few things to consider are that Georgia has had job growth over the last four years, runs a budget surplus and has improved in education (not great but improved).

One other thing… I don’t know the specific people in your district, but based on your comments, they are probably somewhat affluent. Well, guess what, more people have joined the armed services from what the government classifies as the rich and the richest socio-economic groups than what they classify as the poor and poorest and the gap between the two continues to widen. We are seeing more recruits from affluent than poor families each and every year.

By The Old Yin-Yang

November 8, 2006 11:08 AM | Link to this

chuck, you may be right about Iraq. The Dem stategy the past 6 years has been to hope for the worst, in order to get back in power. The fact remains that both Bush and Sonny inherited a bad situation economically, but kept the ship steady. Unfortunately, they will never get the credit they deserve. Kind of like Gerald Ford, who should get tremendous credit for keeping us on course after the Watergate BS was turned into a national nightmare by the press.

By Chilao

November 8, 2006 11:10 AM | Link to this

BC- best reply, one I have used, is “well, if that’s your fantasy, run with it”..LMAO

By The Old Yin-Yang

November 8, 2006 11:11 AM | Link to this

2D—I’m definitely ripping my home state a new one today. When I lived in Jersey, people worked hard and were honest. Now it appears the f* Dems have taken over.

By The Old Yin-Yang

November 8, 2006 11:14 AM | Link to this

Renee—young girls need their daddies.

By Brian Curtis

November 8, 2006 11:16 AM | Link to this

Chilao: Good one! I’ll remember that.

By The Old Yin-Yang

November 8, 2006 11:19 AM | Link to this

Another aside—Anyone catch the AJC headline about the woman who was bitten by a snake in church? Calvin would say that that proves she was of little faith! Or is that chuck who espouses that philosophy?

I used to play a lot of golf in the Cartersville area. Right near my favorite course, Royal Oaks, there used to be a snake-handlers church for real. They would put out signs, and were even on the news a few times.

By The Old Yin-Yang

November 8, 2006 11:21 AM | Link to this

Chialo, I’m starting to wonder if you didn’t study aikido. Your verbal aikido is excellent. Maybe my guess that your moniker is actually a combination of Chi and Lao was correct after all.

By Chilao

November 8, 2006 11:28 AM | Link to this

New Jersey Governor history, Dog’s lifetime: notice it was Democrats in his (term used loosely) developmental years.

seems to be a toggle, meaning folk never satisfied:

Robert B. Meyner -Democrat -1954-62

Richard J. Hughes-Democrat-1962-70

William T. Cahill-Republican-1970-74

Brendan Byrne-Democrat-1974-82

Thomas Kean-Republican-1982-90

James Florio-Democrat-1990-94

Christine Whitman-Republican-1994-2001

Donald T. Di Francesco-Republican-2001-2002

James McGreevey-Democrat-2002-2004

Richard J. Codey-Democrat-2004-

By Chilao

November 8, 2006 11:31 AM | Link to this

BC - I actually elaborate abit with “heh, I see an attractive woman, my mind tends to wander abit; you see an attractive guy, your mind wanders, heh, what can I say, more power to ya”

my moniker has nothing to do with aikido

By Renee

November 8, 2006 11:32 AM | Link to this

Shut the hell up! I wasn’t talking to you. And not that I owe a f-cking explanation to you, my daughter does have her father. You just keep doing your job of being the jackass of the board and STFU!!!

By Chilao

November 8, 2006 11:34 AM | Link to this

in fact I do not even know what aikido is and LAO is a culture in SouthEast Asia.(to me)

like in Uncommon Valor

By Chilao

November 8, 2006 11:35 AM | Link to this

and chi is something Turks drink.

By blablabla

November 8, 2006 11:40 AM | Link to this

ahh, yes….the florio years. amazing what a reputation that guy was able to create in only four short years as gov. you would have thought it was 20.

By The Old Yin-Yang

November 8, 2006 11:42 AM | Link to this

All the politicians were corrupt where I grew up in Jersey, but it was “acceptable corruption”, just a few kickbacks here and there. None of this stuff about hiring your gay lover to be the Director of Homeland Security.

Of course, if you want to study corruption, just follow the mayors’ and city councils’ doings in Atlantic City during the 80s and 90s.

Jack will probably remember the ultimate Philly politician well, Frank Rizzo. Back in my day you had to be Italian to get elected.

By Chilao

November 8, 2006 11:46 AM | Link to this

Thank you, Dog, I now know what aikido is:

A young boy traveled across Japan to the school of a famous martial artist. When he arrived at the dojo he was given an audience by the Sensei.

“What do you wish from me?” the master asked.

“I wish to be your student and become the finest kareteka in the land,” the boy replied. “How long must I study?”

“Ten years at least,” the master answered.

“Ten years is a long time,” said the boy. “What if I studied twice as hard as all your other students?”

“Twenty years,” replied the master.

“Twenty years! What if I practice day and night with all my effort?”

“Thirty years,” was the master’s reply.

“How is it that each time I say I will work harder, you tell me that it will take longer?” the boy asked.

“The answer is clear. When one eye is fixed upon your destination, there is only one eye left with which to find the Way.”

By The Old Yin-Yang

November 8, 2006 11:47 AM | Link to this

Chilao—methinks you are pulling my leg. Lao was a famous Chinese philosopher, Lao Tzu. Chi is the word used to describe the energy which flows through our bodies as living beings.

Renee, if I STFU, how can I fulfill my job as jackass of the blog? I’m confused.

By Jack

November 8, 2006 11:49 AM | Link to this

“but unfortunately both parties at the national level spend way too much time worrying about reelection”

True, true, all too true. The main job of any elected official is to get re-elected. I think the term limits across the board should be 1 term only.

Low blow Dog.

By The Old Yin-Yang

November 8, 2006 11:53 AM | Link to this

And Renee, I think you and the other bloggers owe me a great debt of gratitude for assuming the role of W2W jackass. It’s a thankless job, believe me. But, by doing it, it allows you to be the beautiful soul that you are in contrast to me. Unless, of course, you attempt to be an even bigger jackass, as chuck, BC, and even 72John tried to do without success.

By Chilao

November 8, 2006 11:53 AM | Link to this

Lao was a famous Chinese philosopher, Lao Tzu. Chi is the word used to describe the energy which flows through our bodies as living beings.

never heard of either, should I have?

is this a Zen or the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance thing?

By Chilao

November 8, 2006 11:56 AM | Link to this

I think the Turks drink Chai anyway, not chi.

where’s FM when you need him? LOL

By The Old Yin-Yang

November 8, 2006 11:58 AM | Link to this

Jack, you never got your head busted by one of Rizzo’s boys in blue back in Philly, did you? They used to like beating up on the long-hairs if I remember correctly.

By The Old Yin-Yang

November 8, 2006 12:02 PM | Link to this

Of course, it is instructive to see how Rizzo and his successor, Goode (the first black mayor of Philadelphia, who went on to become governor of PA) handled the lunatics from MOVE. If I remember correctly, Rizzo merely blockaded the street so they would run low on food and have to give up. Good dropped firebombs on them, killing all but one member who later won millions in court. A lot of rap songs still memorialize the event with the lyrics “burn the MF-er down!”

By Monica

November 8, 2006 12:09 PM | Link to this

sorry…the whole silly-a “constitutional right” thing amuses the heck outta me. How could I not mock it?*

The one that got me yesterday was the one about state agencies being exempt from license plate taxes and fees. What’s the difference? Won’t my taxes pay for it either way?

Jack, I agree with you about Taylor. The only things he had to say were about what Sonny had done wrong, not what the big guy was going to do. At any rate, I’m just glad the elections are over and the mud-slinging commercials can cease for a while.

By The Old Yin-Yang

November 8, 2006 12:10 PM | Link to this

I’ve been thinking, guys. Since only the men here, i.e. me, Jack, and Chilao ever have anything interesting to say, I think we should change this blog to M2M. Then the ladies here, i.e. kimberly, Mara, Renee, BC, and 72John can start a new blog, H2H—Hormone 2 Hormone.

Is that a low blow also, Jack?

By The Old Yin-Yang

November 8, 2006 12:15 PM | Link to this

I’m surprised that you don’t play any GO, Chilao. It beats the pants off of chess. The best players play on the IGS-International Go Server—based in Japan. Of course, the Japs are very upset these days since the Korean and Chinese players are much better than they are right now. My highest rating on IGS was 5-kyu, about ten years ago.

Here’s the link to get you going:

pandanet.co.jp/English/

By Renee

November 8, 2006 12:28 PM | Link to this

Correction, Jack and Chilao have interesting things to say. Your incessant boring rants, are less than interesting. But I’m sure you can start a thread where you can be the moderator and the poster…kind of like a Jackass to Jackass blog. And we will see who from here (if anyone) migrates to it. If nobody here has anything interesting to say (except in your opinion Jack and Chilao) why continually visit here on a daily, all day basis. Ask for their email address, maybe they will share and you can speak back and forth with the interesting people, and leave us dimwits alone…

By 2D

November 8, 2006 12:33 PM | Link to this

Sounds like someone’s a sore loser.

Yo, Yin-Yang… I’m just as upset about last night’s results as anyone, but I’m at least going to hold judgement until the Dems do something. I’m sure everyone thought we were doomed when Newt and the gang won a landslide in 1994, but the next six years turned out to be the most prosperous ever! who knows, maybe the Dems are smarter than I think and they can pull of something similar.

By Chilao

November 8, 2006 12:34 PM | Link to this

I think the women are busy working.

By Jack

November 8, 2006 12:37 PM | Link to this

I consider myself a guest on this blog it being a W2W blog and I a man. A M2M blog doesn’t interest me much. Lot more fun seeing what ladies think. Many times there are more males posting on the blog than females and that is when it isn’t so good.

Completely off subject but I would like to know why women like movies/books that make them cry. The Mrs. and I watched “Paying it Forward’ and the movie was entertaining enough but they had to try and make the audience cry at the end. Why? When I go to a movie I like to either be scared or laugh. There is plenty of sad in the world. I know I’ve seen enough sad.

By Chilao

November 8, 2006 12:38 PM | Link to this

LOL @ Renee. Breathe, dear, Breathe.

I have been reminded of various ‘dates’(some even g/fs, for a short time at least) over the years: The only way I can feel good about myself is to put everybody else down(direct quote from one)

By The Old Yin-Yang

November 8, 2006 12:46 PM | Link to this

Just baiting you, Renee. I do like your idea of a new J2J blog, however. If it makes you feel any better, I finished out of the money on my last three poker tourneys after my opponents sucked out on the river.

By TramadoL76554

November 8, 2006 12:47 PM | Link to this

Not much on my mind. I don’t care. I’ve just been letting everything happen without me , but shrug. Whatever. I feel like a void.

By The Old Yin-Yang

November 8, 2006 12:49 PM | Link to this

Jack, don’t you know the nature of women is suffering?

I think some French guy (maybe Spanish) said that human females along with roosters were the only species that were sad after having sex.

By kimberly

November 8, 2006 12:54 PM | Link to this

Jack, for the record, I hate those movies. I want to be entertained or enlightened. A good scary one is good now and then, as long as it’s done intelligently, and not just gratuitously. If I’m all boo-hooing at the end of a movie, (as per the hormonal forces beyond my control) I’m TICKED. And spare me the cheesy love stories unless Matthew McConoughey’s naked butt is clearly visible for at least 10 minutes!

By The Old Yin-Yang

November 8, 2006 12:56 PM | Link to this

Chilao, you know the routine well based on your 12:38 comment. I’ll have to forward a full copy of “The Rules” to you sometime:

By Kevin

November 8, 2006 12:57 PM | Link to this

I was glad to see the woodshed whuppin’ the Dems laid on the Republicans last night. Republicans are not controlled by conservative Christians, they beg for our votes during each election cycle and make all kind of promises about restoring “family values”. Once the elections are over, we are asked to run away and keep silent while they maintain the status quo of a bloated and corrupt government. I’ve about had enough.

While I disagree with BC’s political stances, I do agree that there is very little difference between Republicans and Democrats once they go to Washington. In my opinion, most are self-serving and arrogant. I am not sure that I can name a single one of them that has our nation’s best interest at heart.

Mara, Kimberly, Chilao - there is even better news on the horizon. Not only will you retain both houses of Congress (yes, I believe the Senate will change over to the Dems as well), you will also have Hillary as President. The republicans will run out McCain or Giuliani in the 2008 election. Neither will be supported by the party’s base. Hillary wins in a landslide.

By The Old Yin-Yang

November 8, 2006 12:59 PM | Link to this

There’s the kimberly I know!! Welcome back!!! BTW, I couldn’t agree more with your movie tastes, all except the part about Matthew McConoughey’s butt. Maybe Jessica Alba’s butt would hold my interest, but not Matt’s.

By Jack

November 8, 2006 01:02 PM | Link to this

:)

By The Old Yin-Yang

November 8, 2006 01:03 PM | Link to this

Although, if I do ever go gay, I’ve picked out my interest: Emmitt Smith. I watched that Dancing With the Stars again last night, and have to say that the guy has style. Of course, his dancing partner is an absolute knockout. What a body on her! All of the dancers are excellent, very entertaining.

By The Old Yin-Yang

November 8, 2006 01:09 PM | Link to this

Kevin, do you really think that Hillary has a snowball’s chance in heck to win the Presidency??? Don’t let the NY idiot Libs fool you with their continued support of her. Guliani would have whipped her in their Senatorial race 6 years ago if he hadn’t had to drop out due to prostate cancer. The Republicans made a terrible mistake by pitting Rick Lasczo against Hillary as a replacement candidate after Guliani dropped out.

By Mara

November 8, 2006 01:11 PM | Link to this

YAHOOO!! Montana has been called for Tester. We now are at a 50/50 split. If Virginia falls to Webb, we’ll take the majority in the Senate too.

And Rumsfeld is resigning….ah, life is good :^)

By The Old Yin-Yang

November 8, 2006 01:13 PM | Link to this

So for our date, kimberly, I’ll look for a flick that has BOTH Jessica and Matt, ok? BTW, does Jessica do anything for you as well?? Just kidding!! I think you would be woman enough for any two or three men, no help needed from Jessica.

By Jack

November 8, 2006 01:16 PM | Link to this

Rule #1 : The female is always right.

Rule #2 : If the female is wrong, see rule #1.

By Renee

November 8, 2006 01:17 PM | Link to this

I’m fine Chilao, thanks!!! You are such a dear :)

For anyone who is interested…Dubya has just announced the resignation of Rumsfield….

By Kevin

November 8, 2006 01:23 PM | Link to this

Bruno,

A year ago I would have agreed that she had no shot. However, Repulicans have shown their hypocrisy on the values issues and they do not to listen to their base on issues such as illegal immigration. If this arrogance continues, they will cease to exist as a national party. Hillary will win in a landslide.

The only ray of hope is that Pelosi, Schumer, Reid, and Dean will come out of their self-imposed exile and begin to push their true agenda. Once the nation sees their leadership front and center for any period of time, they will not give them control over the Presidency and Congress at the same time.

By The Old Yin-Yang

November 8, 2006 01:23 PM | Link to this

WOW—Did any of you just see on CNN?? Bush just resigned the Presidency. He has designated Michael Moore to be his successor.

By The Old Yin-Yang

November 8, 2006 01:26 PM | Link to this

I saw another funny list once, Jack, about why it’s great to be a man. The one I laughed at the hardest was #43: Same mood, all the time.

By The Old Yin-Yang

November 8, 2006 01:28 PM | Link to this

Kevin, I agree with you that two years of Pelosi should be enough to convince any sane person that if the Repeublicans are bad, then the Democrats are even worse.

By Jack

November 8, 2006 01:29 PM | Link to this

Mutt. Give it a break for Chrissakes.

By The Old Yin-Yang

November 8, 2006 01:37 PM | Link to this

I did almost throw up years ago when a good friend of mine worked on the Barbara Boxer campaign. Of course, his mom is Pat Mitchell, who recently got run out of her position as president of PBS for pushing gay cartoon characters onto the kids. I know it’s hard to believe, but most of my friends are flaming liberals. I went to many of Pat’s parties when she lived in Atlanta—she used to serve buffalo burgers due to her past connections with Ted and Jane.

Small point of trivia about Pat: She got her big break in broadcasting many years ago by doing a show on television called “Woman To Woman”. I’ll have to google that to see if there are any records of it. Maybe she can win a lawsuit against Shaunti and Diane for copyright infringement.

By The Old Yin-Yang

November 8, 2006 01:42 PM | Link to this

Ok, Jack, I’ll hang it up for today. Here’s a link to Pat Mitchell for any of you women’s libbers here. Pat was one of the groundbreakers in TV for women. She definitely paved the way for Connie Chung, etc.

http://www.shemadeit.org/meet/biography.aspx?m=42

Congrats again to the Democrats for the big victory last!!

By The Old Yin-Yang

November 8, 2006 01:46 PM | Link to this

P.S. to Jack—You know kimberly loved it this AM when the whole board was focused on her after her REDNECK tirade. Redheads especially love attention, IME.

By Jack

November 8, 2006 01:49 PM | Link to this

The real news of today is that Britney filed for divorce. That got as much press as the election. Sad isn’t it?

By Mara

November 8, 2006 02:03 PM | Link to this

Jack - I don’t like those books/movies because they might make me cry, I like them because, usually, there’s a good, well-written story behind them. Good writing encourages the reader/movie watcher to enter a fantasy and invest some emotion into the story. My father, who was also a voracious reader, once said, “Like anything else, you get out of a book the amount of effort you put into it.” I sometimes get emotionally attached to the characters in the novels I read. When tragedy befalls them, it’s something I can empathize with.

not that I read or watch a lot of tear-jerkers…

By chuck

November 8, 2006 02:26 PM | Link to this

I wonder if the election results would have been different if Rummy had done that a month ago. We will never know.

By Monica

November 8, 2006 02:27 PM | Link to this

Jack, why can’t all men abide by your simple rules? :)

I think it was Aristotle who posed the necessity of catharsis, the emotional purging of the soul through drama (ever read those Greek tragedies?). That’s why I occasionally watch a movie that I know will make me cry. Steel Magnolias gets me evey time. I haven’t yet seen The Notebook because I know that it will make me cry, and I’m not ready for that. I don’t like watching war movies that are sad, because I know that it’s not just a movie; those stories really happened, just to real people by different names. Saving Private Ryan is a great movie that I never want to see again.

Also, since I became a mother, just about anything makes me cry. I cry at the Publix commercials on tv, especially the one about the little girl who makes breakfast for her policeman father who is just coming home off the night shift…okay, now I need a Kleenex…

By Bunny

November 8, 2006 02:42 PM | Link to this

Monica, I cry whenever I read about children who are disfigured, and have to endure shame in their home countries because they can’t afford the needed surgeries. One boy had severe hip dysplasia and had to walk on all fours, like a DOG. His nickname in his village in South America was Perro. Fortunately, he was able to get the surgery through donations from the US, and was able to eventually walk upright. Similarly, children born with a cleft palate suffer both physical problems and social shame.

If any of ypu don’t have a favorite charity, please consider “Doctors Without Borders” of even “Operation Smile”. It’s the least we can do as “ugly Americans”.

By Troglodyke

November 8, 2006 02:43 PM | Link to this

*As for this election, Bush may have a SHARE of the blame…maybe 25%, but the majority of the blame goes to the Senate where the moderates kept us from fully implementing the conservative agenda. *

Oh, please. The majority of the blame does not go to the moderates. It goes to the slobs who claimed to be conservative, but then bloated the gov’t beyond all recognition. It goes to the “family values”-spouting schmucks who proved themselves to be hypocrites. It goes to the lock-step politicians who smugly thought they’d hold on to power forever, and conveniently forgot what true conservatism is. Bush is part of that, though he is not completely to blame. He’s a puppet, like all Presidents.

By the way, Chuck, did you know that true conservatives believe gov’t should stay out of private matters? Including who consenting adults have sex with? Since I’m sure you voted for the marriage amendment, I hope you don’t consider yourself a true conservative.

By Bunny

November 8, 2006 02:53 PM | Link to this

My nieces and nephew don’t like it much, but I stopped sending them birthday money several years back and began making donations to charities in their names instead. I love my nieces and nephews, but they are spoiled rotten by my overindulgent sisters.

By Chilao

November 8, 2006 03:06 PM | Link to this

I just listened to about 40 minutes of the nearly one-hour EastRoom Press Conference(1-2p EST), had to spend the other 20 minutes in 2 stores(I was driving to them).

The Rumsfeld/Gates switcheroo has been planned for at least a week, perhaps longer. Bush did not do it pre-election for two reasons: 1. He did not want The Troops to think that military command/strategy was being ‘played with’ for political reasons. 2. He did not want the American people to think he/party was playing with the command structure simply for political reasons.

By Chilao

November 8, 2006 03:08 PM | Link to this

and “Rummy did not do anything”. Bush was talking to Gates about replacing Rumsfeld BEFORE he talked to Rumsfeld about stepping down.

By Tim

November 8, 2006 03:10 PM | Link to this

Hello to all my old blog buddies… it’s been a long time… this as always has been great reading material… I have few thoughts… Speaker Pelosi… that has such a nice ring to it LOL… lozen… I love ya… you are still my mah… Kimbery… I still love her too… if she’s single it’s cus it would take a REAL man to be able to handle her… and there aren’t too many of those out there… and finally… I saw a comment yesterday about homos kissing and attempting to fornicate… well I don’t know what mos you know… but I’ve never had to attempt to fornicate… I’ve done just fine at fornicating (may need some lube and a lil patience… but it usually works)

By Tim

November 8, 2006 03:15 PM | Link to this

Troglodyke… AMEN!!!! is there an actual conservative out there anywhere?

By Chilao

November 8, 2006 03:18 PM | Link to this

Tim - was thinking of you earlier, what did Confucius say to ignore, way back? LOL

By Jack

November 8, 2006 03:24 PM | Link to this

Thanks Mara & Monica. Against my better judgement I just watched “Saving Private Ryan”. I don’t need to see that one again either.

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November 8, 2006 03:27 PM | Link to this

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By Tim

November 8, 2006 03:28 PM | Link to this

Chilao… :)

By Chilao

November 8, 2006 03:33 PM | Link to this

Jack - I started to see SPR at the cinema, PACKED FULL, mostly people who were alive then. and ONE small low-volume speaker up front, you could hardly hear it, especially over the noise of everyone going ‘what he say, what did they say” etc.

Got a refund(I had already complained about the volume once). and since I have no plans to sit thru the beginning again, doubt I will ever see it.

But did see the highly recommended FLAGS OF OUR FATHERS a few weeks ago.

By A French Poodle

November 8, 2006 03:33 PM | Link to this

You know, guys, since I found out that Diane may actually be straight, I’ve started to notice that she’s kind of foxy also. Her profile photo is rather coquettish, giving her a certain je ne sais quoi, non??

By Jack

November 8, 2006 03:37 PM | Link to this

Hello Tim. Hope all is well.

Gotta go folks. Later Tater.

By Chilao

November 8, 2006 03:38 PM | Link to this

so Diane would be foxy if she was straight, but not foxy if she was, say, a lipstick lesbian?

WTH?

By A French Poodle

November 8, 2006 03:44 PM | Link to this

Private Ryan didn’t shake me much. Probably seeing Tom Hanks in nearly every scene kept reminding me that it was only a movie. More realistic to me was “The Patriot” when the musket balls ripped into the young men’s legs and torsos as they marched forward in formation.

By blablabla

November 8, 2006 03:49 PM | Link to this

now that the elections have passed, thankfully the commercials will cease. but will the candidates come take down all the signs? they’re everywhere… ugh.

and for those that enjoy a more well-rounded perspective on the elections, check out the economist. there were a number of interesting articles.

By A French Poodle

November 8, 2006 03:49 PM | Link to this

I can’t tell you why, Chilao, but DOGs can actually SMELL the difference.

By Chilao

November 8, 2006 03:50 PM | Link to this

but Flags of Our Fathers is also a one-time see.

By A French Poodle

November 8, 2006 03:56 PM | Link to this

And from here on out, Mara’s new name is The 24Mara, for her support of Jeff Gordon.

By A French Poodle

November 8, 2006 04:00 PM | Link to this

My favorite dates are with the female pit bulls. I teach them how to speak French!! “Oh, mon Dieu!!” and “Magnifique!”.

By A French Poodle

November 8, 2006 04:02 PM | Link to this

Chilao, your new blog name is Chi-Lao-tzu. Mara will be known as The 24Mara from here on out due to her support for Jeff Gordon.

By kimberly

November 8, 2006 04:03 PM | Link to this

HEYYYY TIM! Missed ya!

By A French Poodle

November 8, 2006 04:04 PM | Link to this

I bet kimberly liked Dale when he was alive, if she watched racing, that is.

By Tim

November 8, 2006 04:18 PM | Link to this

right back at ya kimberly :)

By The Newest Democrat

November 8, 2006 04:35 PM | Link to this

Well guys, based on how well my stocks did today, I’m switching parties. Seriously, if any of you are looking for a great stock, take a good look at Parker Drilling, sticker symbol PKD. I bought in for $7 per share, it’s almost $9 per share after today, and I expect it to go to $12 before it’s over with. They are an oil drilling company who works in higher risk areas like Nigeria and Mexico. I almost mentioned it to you all yesterday, and wish I had, because it went up 68 cents today alone. The P/E is around 7, so it’s solid as a rock.

By The Newest Democrat

November 8, 2006 04:40 PM | Link to this

Another big winner for me has been Dreams Inc., a sports memorabilia company (Field of Dreams stores are part of their growing empire). Some rich guy bought out 14.7 % of the outstanding stock the other day, and it went from $0.15 per share to $0.40 per share in less than two hours. I wasn’t home, and missed the big sell-off, although it is back to nearly $0.27 today. It might be a long-term winner for any of you still. Sticker symbol DRMS.

By The Newest Democrat

November 8, 2006 04:43 PM | Link to this

For any risk takers, you could still consider Delta Airlines. It is trading for a little more than $1 per share, and has a lot of upside. However, it is expected for them to file bankruptcy eventually, so you have to make a quick profit and run. If Airtran falls to $7 per share, it will be a great buy also.

By Chilao

November 8, 2006 04:47 PM | Link to this

for a very humourous read on the Ted Haggard Affaire:

http://bruthacode.com/?p=212#more-212

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November 8, 2006 04:55 PM | Link to this

Well, Chi-Lao-tzu, I never!!! The language at your link was atrocious!! You should be ashamed!! Let me go re-read it to make sure it said what I thought it did.

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November 8, 2006 05:00 PM | Link to this

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November 9, 2006 05:26 AM | Link to this

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By Mara

November 9, 2006 09:10 AM | Link to this

9:06 a.m. and I’m the first to post? What happened? (tink, tink, tink) Hellooo? hel-OH-oh…?

I’m beginning to think that everyone else has been “raptured” and I’ve been, as Homer Simpson says…, “left below”

LOL!!!

By Chilao

November 9, 2006 09:24 AM | Link to this

Mara - that is what you get for not believing, you miss out on The Rapture. LOL(they did not take me either)

Anybody hear that Robert Gates has the same kind of Ollie-inspired No Recollection of those Events(Iran-Contra). Heard that this morning when discussing his confirmation hearings, someone (a congressman) hoped his memory-retention capabilities had improved the past 15 years.

today is my Friday(hehehehehehe) so here is a joke for ya:

Ed was in trouble. He forgot his wedding anniversary and his wife was really angry. She told him, “Tomorrow morning, I expect to find a gift in the driveway that goes from 0 to 200 in 6 seconds AND IT BETTER BE THERE”.

The next morning Ed got up early and left for work. When his wife woke up, she looked out the window and sure enough there was a small box gift-wrapped in the middle of the driveway. Confused, the wife put on her robe and ran out to the driveway, and brought the box back in the house.

She opened it and found a brand new Bathroom scale.

His funeral is next Monday.

By Mara

November 9, 2006 09:52 AM | Link to this

Chilao - LOL!! That’s a pretty funny joke!

glad someone else is out there. :^)

Did you hear that they’re saying we may not find out about the Virginia race until the end of the month? Evidently Allen won’t be able to contest the results until they certify the results. Right now he’s refusing to concede so we’ll see what happens…

By Jumping on the Bandwagon

November 9, 2006 10:02 AM | Link to this

Congrats again to all the Democratic supporters. You may be all surprised to hear this, but most conservatives I know were ready for a change as well. Too much religious hypocrisy and corruption the past few years. Trent Lott makes me wince.

Sincerely, I hope the Dems will use their congressional majority for good purposes. Unfortunately, I don’t have much faith in Nancy Pelosi. I think Schumer is much more reasonable.

By lozen

November 9, 2006 10:06 AM | Link to this

Oh, yeah. It is a happy day. 20 new pro-choice voices in the house after Tuesday!!!!!
I am so sorry I wasn’t here yesterday to talk to Tim! Baby boy if you’re still around today … HEY! Good comment too. We missed you a lot. Although we prefer to ignore the village idiot.
Mara, I would have thought both of us would have been taken up in the rapture since we’re such “true believers” ;-).

By Jumping on the Bandwagon

November 9, 2006 10:07 AM | Link to this

I want to agree with kimberly again from yesterday that crying movies suck. I judge movies by how you feel when leaving the theatre. As such, I generally stick with action movies and comedies.

I’m sure the movie I’ve seen the most times has to be 48 Hours with Eddie Murphy and Nick Nolte. Non-stop action! Eddie had to take a lot of crap from Nolte during the film, but did get a few licks in himself. Awesome film from beginning to end.

By Jumping on the Bandwagon

November 9, 2006 10:12 AM | Link to this

A close second place for me might be Commando with Arnold Schwarzeneger and Rae Dawn Chong. I know it was pure corn, but it was so over the top you couldn’t hold them to any standard of realness. In the same vein, I enjoyed ConAir with Nicholas Cage as well. As long as the director doesn’t take himself too seriously, nothing beats a good action movie with larger-than-life villains and heroes.

By Renee

November 9, 2006 10:12 AM | Link to this

LOL Chilao…good one.

By Jumping on the Bandwagon

November 9, 2006 10:20 AM | Link to this

I started to watch “Romancing the Stone” last night on AMC, but was inspired to put on “Atlantic City” instead in my VCR. I generally don’t care for Louis Malle films, but so many memories of growing up near Atlantic City for me are contained in that film. Both Burt Lancaster and Susan Sarandon were perfect, but the heart of the film is the changing scenery of Atlantic City itself when the casinos came in 1977. If any of you never saw it, I highly recommend renting it once. My guess is that lozen would enjoy it the most.

By Jack

November 9, 2006 10:22 AM | Link to this

Absolute Power with Clint was an excellent movie.

By Jumping on the Bandwagon

November 9, 2006 10:25 AM | Link to this

Another sentimental favorite of mine is “Sharky’s Machine” with Burt Reynolds due to the fact that it was filmed in Atlanta shortly before I moved here. The story line is ok, but the scenery is eye-popping as you notice all of the old Atlanta landmarks from around 1980.

By Jumping on the Bandwagon

November 9, 2006 10:31 AM | Link to this

Final movie category to consider: Favorite Tom Cruise movie. While it’s hard to pick a favorite when you’ve got Top Gun, Days of Thunder, Color of Money, Risky Business, and even Jerry McGuire to pick from, my sentimental favorite is “All the Right Moves”. There seemed to be an honesty in Tom’s acting then that was lost later on. Of course, the scenes with Lea Thompson were kind of steamy, in a high-school sort of way.

I know, Chilao, how could I not consider “Losin’ It” to be Tom’s greatest work?

By Jack

November 9, 2006 10:32 AM | Link to this

Hey Dog, how would you liked to have dated that girl in “Play Misty for Me” ? Way meaner than Glen Close.

By Jumping on the Bandwagon

November 9, 2006 10:33 AM | Link to this

Absolute Power was great also, Jack, although no comparison to the earlier Eastwood movies such as The Outlaw Josie Wales, For A Few Dollars More, and even Escape From Alcatraz.

By Mara

November 9, 2006 10:35 AM | Link to this

Hey lozen (wave) Speaking of true believers, did you realize that it’s only 43 days until the Winter Solstice? Wow, doesn’t time fly when you’re havin’ fun?

hey Renee!

By Randy

November 9, 2006 10:40 AM | Link to this

One of the blog’s today is Walmart goes back to saying “Merry Christmas”, that’s great. However, Christians need to go to the site “www.afa.net” to get the entire story.

By Jack

November 9, 2006 10:40 AM | Link to this

Seen all of them 100 times and probably 100 more. Don’t forget High Plains Drifter.

By Jumping on the Bandwagon

November 9, 2006 10:41 AM | Link to this

I would like to ask my new Lib buddies about more recent recommendations, however. I’ve been out of the dating scene for about 1 year, so don’t know which of the newer movies to rent. Any opinions about “Crash”? It was highly recommended. This new one “Borat” sounds promising. I finally rented “Walk the Line” last week with Joaquin and Reese portraying Johnny Cash and June Carter—very well done. Any one like the movie “Ray”? I plan to rent it soon.

I’m open to more suggestions…….

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The stew is better when it’s cold outside.

By Chilao

November 9, 2006 10:53 AM | Link to this

43 days until the Winter Solstice

aren’t there a bunch of pagan holidays we ought to be getting ready for? Oh, wait, they incorporated all that into Christmas. My bad.

how about a female ‘friend’ has been working out of state, calls last night to let me know she will be local for Thanksgiving weekend BUT has to be at the stores Friday. I laughed, “well, I’ll see you SAT then, huh?, since NO WAY will I be anywhere NEAR a retail establishment that day”.

By Jack

November 9, 2006 10:57 AM | Link to this

Ray was great. Mr. Fox did a great job. A must see.

By Jumping on the Bandwagon

November 9, 2006 10:59 AM | Link to this

Jack, I have to agree with you again about “Play Misty For Me”. Jessica Walter was fantastic as the jilted lover, and of course who could forget Donna Mills as Clint’s girlfriend? It’s probably fair to say that “Fatal Attraction” was a ripoff of “Play Misty For Me”.

I have to say, however, Glenn Close truly spooked me with her performance. I still remember her screaming at Michael Douglas “I will not be IGNORED”. I think that movie kept a lot of guys faithful for several years after that. Eventually, Lorraina Bobbitt took jilted love to a new level altogether, IMHO.

By Jumping on the Bandwagon

November 9, 2006 11:04 AM | Link to this

I don’t think any of the ladies here would ever pull a “Bobbitt”, but I might be worried about crossing kimberly. I don’t envision Mara, Renee, or even lozen exacting that kind of revenge.

By Jack

November 9, 2006 11:16 AM | Link to this

They probably would for you.

By Jumping on the Bandwagon

November 9, 2006 11:16 AM | Link to this

Well, gotta run for a while, hope you don’t all miss me too much. ; > }.

Final movie category: Hottest Movies of ALL TIME: Although “Basic Instinct” is hard to overlook, I’m going with “Body Heat” with William Hurt and Kathleen Turner as the hottest date movie ever. For “solo date” hot movies, I’m going to stick with “Paradise” starring Phoebe Cates.

By Chilao

November 9, 2006 11:24 AM | Link to this

They probably would for you.

LMAO

I also HIGHLY recommend RAY

I liked Cruise in that movie with Foxx as a cabdriver. Cruise plays those roles real well. (Collateral)

By Jack

November 9, 2006 11:33 AM | Link to this

Darn, left off an “X”. Sorry Jamie.

I wonder if Mr. Bobbit is able to get his cookies after they put it back on?

Hell Hath No Fury…

By Chilao

November 9, 2006 11:36 AM | Link to this

Kathleen Turner was better in Crimes of Passion. I took a new girlfriend to see it(someone I had known quite the while, though), a few weeks after I had ALREADY seen it.

By Jumping on the Bandwagon

November 9, 2006 11:50 AM | Link to this

Chilao, sorry to be a prude, but I thought “Crimes of Passion” was a little too sleazy. “Body Heat” had much more class, and an interesting plot to boot.

Jack, if you can believe it, John Wayne Bobbitt did go on to make a few “adult” movies after his, uh-um, incident. She only got the tip.

By lozen

November 9, 2006 11:53 AM | Link to this

No male will ever forget the name “Bobbitt” ;-) huh Jack?

By lozen

November 9, 2006 11:58 AM | Link to this

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By Troglodyke

November 9, 2006 12:09 PM | Link to this

One of the blog’s today is Walmart goes back to saying “Merry Christmas”, that’s great. However, Christians need to go to the site “www.afa.net” to get the entire story.

That’s great for you, Randy. Personally, I couldn’t care less. Xmas is all about paying homage to the god of retail, so they are going to do what’s best for their bottom line.

Though Xtians like to pretend that we atheists will be offended by someone saying Merry Christmas to us, that’s a bunch of BS. I won’t be offended. I’ll smile, as I always do when someone greets me, and I’ll say, “Thank You! You, too.”

It’s just a greeting. It’s pretty meaningless. And atheists are not to blame for it being meaningless.

Given that the majority of people in this country profess to being Xtian, and the retail stores rake in billions of dollars during the holidays, the majority of spending is done by Xtians. They have perverted their own “holy day” and turned it into the retail extravaganza it is now.

No skin off my nose. It’s a day off and a time to gather with friends and family to eat and enjoy each other.

Oh, and I’ll continue to support Target, who made the excellent decision a few years ago to not have Salvation Army bell-ringers at their stores, despite the angry and ridiculous blustering of pseudo-Xtians. Their bottom line doesn’t seem to have suffered, as I recall.

By lozen

November 9, 2006 12:34 PM | Link to this

Mara, yeah. Winter Solstice with the Yule tree and Yule log and Yule gifts and all those festivities sky-clad! It’s a wonderful wonderful time of the year!

By Jack

November 9, 2006 12:55 PM | Link to this

Lord no Lozen. Every man cringes at the name! LOL

By TramadoL44320

November 9, 2006 12:56 PM | Link to this

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By Wondering

November 9, 2006 01:37 PM | Link to this

Hey Mara!!

Troglodyke…excellent, excellent comment 12:09!!!!!!!!! I couldn’t have said it better myself!

By Mara

November 9, 2006 01:45 PM | Link to this

Trog - good point about “‘tis the season to spend, spend, SPEND!!” I don’t get upset about the Merry Christmas thing either, until I hear some xtian whining about how the eeeee-ville secularists, atheists, and God-haters have stolen the holiday and cheapened its “meaning”. LOL! I didn’t realize that I was part of such a powerful group.

Chilao - I’m with you. The over-crowding. The rude service from under-staffed “customer service personnel”. And egad! Heaven forbid trying to find a parking spot! Why ruin the holiday season right at the beginning? At least wait ‘til the left-over turkey’s been tossed out.

lozen - Winter Solstice with the Yule tree and Yule log and Yule gifts and all those festivities sky-clad!

how very lyrical :^)

By Jack

November 9, 2006 02:00 PM | Link to this

The dinosaur speaks.

I am glad they brought Christmas back. Target should have suffered for denying the Sal. Army.

By Are You Sure?

November 9, 2006 02:02 PM | Link to this

Before you buy your “Christmas tree” this year, don’t forget to read Jeremiah 10 regarding the Bibilical view of cutting trees down, bringing them into the house, and decorating them with silver and gold. Hint: The passage starts off “For the customs of the people are worthless…”

By Are You Sure?

November 9, 2006 02:08 PM | Link to this

I can’t locate the passage right now, but I’m pretty sure there is a commandment to NOT celebrate birthdays in the Bible as well. If you notice, neither Christmas nor Easter were celebrated by the original Christians as recorded in the New Testament. In fact, all of the folks who I consider to be “true Christians” celebrate neither Christmas or Easter.

By Renee

November 9, 2006 02:10 PM | Link to this

ooops…”Wondering” was me…posted on another blog..

By Are You Sure?

November 9, 2006 02:12 PM | Link to this

The only thing I like about Christmas is “A Charlie Brown Christmas”, especially the soundtrack by the Vince Guaraldi Trio. I’m prone to play it even in July.

By Chilao

November 9, 2006 02:13 PM | Link to this

Target should have suffered for denying the Sal. Army.

actually I think the Salvation Army suffered abit there.

Christmas trees are Germanic Paganisms(or so I have been told….LOL)

By Are You Sure?

November 9, 2006 02:15 PM | Link to this

Personally, I can’t stand holidays, even birthdays, because they are so contrived in my mind. I like giving gifts when the spirit moves me, not because the calendar creates an artificial obligation.

By Troglodyke

November 9, 2006 02:23 PM | Link to this

I am glad they brought Christmas back. Target should have suffered for denying the Sal. Army.

The Salvation Army should suffer for attempting to guilt the hard-working people of this country into giving money to faith-based organizations.

But, seeing as guilt and fear are the bedrock “values” of Xtianity, we know why they do it…and why so many sheeple succumb to that guilt every day.

By Knowledge Is Power; Power Corrupts; ergo Knowledge Corrupts

November 9, 2006 02:25 PM | Link to this

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By Monica

November 9, 2006 02:27 PM | Link to this

Aw, c’mon Mara and Chilao, where is your sense of adventure? My in-laws keep the kids for us the night of Thanksgiving, and then my husband and I (yes, I have the best husband ever) get up very early to shop for Christmas. We usually are finished by noon. It’s a great tradition; you should try it sometime! :)

BTW, I loved Collateral. Tom Cruise and Jamie Foxx were great in that. Also deep meaning behind Tom’s grey suit and hair throughout the enitre movie.

By Knowledge Is Power; Power Corrupts; ergo Knowledge Corrupts

November 9, 2006 02:36 PM | Link to this

Chilao, the passage in Jeremiah 10 predates Christ by many hundreds of years, and emanated from the Middle East, suggesting that the Tannenbaum was likely copied as well. The Germans weren’t very civilized until much later than the rest of Europe. In fact, if the Danube hadn’t frozen over back long ago allowing the Vandals and other Germanic tribes such as the Franks to cross, we might still be speaking Latin.

By Jack

November 9, 2006 02:37 PM | Link to this

If we do away with Christmas will Santa still come? How bout the Easter Bunny? The masses need SOMETHING to celebrate do they not? If you’re not good you’ll get coal in your stocking. Not a bad thing if you failed to pay your gas bill.

By Renee

November 9, 2006 02:39 PM | Link to this

I loooved Collateral. What was the meaning though behind the gray suit and hair?

By Chilao

November 9, 2006 02:39 PM | Link to this

Monica - I worked retail for SIX years, I’ll pass, thanks anyway. LMAO

In fact I do not even like to look at the PARKING LOT of a retail place on that day. Good day for movies, though, everybody is A-Shoppin’ .

By Knowledge Is Power; Power Corrupts; ergo Knowledge Corrupts

November 9, 2006 02:42 PM | Link to this

My favorite invaders had to be the Vikings, however. In their day, they were the meanest, toughest SOBs ever, probably tougher than the Mongols. One of the wildest group of Vikings were the Berserkers. They might be considered the original rednecks. You didn’t want to meet the Berserkers in battle, trust me. The Berserkers would charge individually into the enemy line, smashing and killing 10 or more of the opponents before they were subdued. Very demoralizing.

By Knowledge Is Power; Power Corrupts; ergo Knowledge Corrupts

November 9, 2006 02:52 PM | Link to this

You’re absolutely right, Jack. Give them bread and circus!!

On a side note, the concept of “bread and circus” is why I think the USA will always be prosperous. Not only are we the breadbasket of the world, we provide the best circus as well (think Bill Cinton)—just kidding—actually in the form of movies. No one makes better movies than Hollywood.

By Jack

November 9, 2006 02:54 PM | Link to this

“Since it’s a slow day on W2W”

Probably cause some Dog ran everyone off.

Korean Rock troops very tough. Wayyyyy tough.

By Knowledge Is Power; Power Corrupts; ergo Knowledge Corrupts

November 9, 2006 02:59 PM | Link to this

Ok, Chilao, last time I took a few weeks off, everyone was happy. So, I will sacrifice for the group and sign off for two weeks. An-yung-hee-gay-sao! (Goodbye in Korean).

By Mara

November 9, 2006 03:02 PM | Link to this

Jack - I am glad they brought Christmas back

uh, it was gone!? Gone where? To the fair? And who is “they” and why’d “they” take Christmas? Was it the Grinch and Max? Was it the Grinch who stole Christmas?! It was, wasn’t it!?

Renee - Hi ya! If you hadn’t ‘fessed up to being “Wondering” I wouldn’t have answered. Too many pseudonyms floating around, if ya know what I’m saying. Been sorta busy today so haven’t been able to post as much as usual. Did you notice the missing Christmas?

Chilao - the Yule tree (LOL) is indeed from German paganism. A live tree would be brought into the house to give the wood sprites would have a warm place to live during the winter cold. Bells were hung on the branches so that the family would know if a sprite was living in their tree. Food and treats were placed on the tree for the sprites to eat.

By Knowledge Is Power; Power Corrupts; ergo Knowledge Corrupts

November 9, 2006 03:04 PM | Link to this

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By Chilao

November 9, 2006 03:15 PM | Link to this

Maybe that is why there was the Jeremiah prohibition of adorned trees inside, in houses: SPRITES, kinda a health issue.

Reminds me apparently they started putting seeds(cracked wheat, sesame seeds etc) in bread so when you ate, you could not tell if you were chowing down on bugs in the flour or the seed. LOL cause both went “crunch/crunch”.

I did not get the Collateral grey suit thing either, and just read ALOT about it, all MENTION it, without the why(except DeNiro in Heat wore something similiar). I dressed and looked like that 20 years ago. Times change…LOL

By Chilao

November 9, 2006 03:15 PM | Link to this

But I still do not have the grey hair part.

By Fat Freddy's Cat

November 9, 2006 03:22 PM | Link to this

Nothing more fun than when the cat climbs the Christmas tree!

By Monica

November 9, 2006 03:27 PM | Link to this

Sorry Chilao! I know what you mean. I worked at Six Flags when I was in college, and I have only been there twice since then.

The meaning behind Tom’s grey suit and hair: think about his character in the movie, and his occupation. He rationalized his job as just a job. He wasn’t really a bad guy, just a guy doing his job, yet he couldn’t be considered a good guy because of his occupation. Traditionally, good guys have been cast in white, and bad guys in black. Hence the grey costume for Tom.

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November 9, 2006 03:34 PM | Link to this

Cool link:

http://www.religioustolerance.org/xmas_tree.htm

By Jack

November 9, 2006 03:38 PM | Link to this

The Grinch stole it and went to the fair where he lot it in a game of craps. Max found the guys that had Christmas and got it back but was then run over by a UPS truck delivering “holiday” gifts.

Heat was a good movie also.

By Jack

November 9, 2006 03:40 PM | Link to this

Monica, were you one of the cuties on roller-skates?

By GOB

November 9, 2006 03:42 PM | Link to this

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By Fat Freddy's Cat

November 9, 2006 03:43 PM | Link to this

Another good link at the same site:

http://www.religioustolerance.org/xmas_dir.htm

By Chilao

November 9, 2006 03:47 PM | Link to this

Monica - Thanks, I had just run into that ‘grey area’ concept, at some film institute site. I was unaware, also, the same guy who did Collateral(MANN) did Manhunter, the first Hannibal Lecter starring William Petersen (as the profiler).

Do you teach English/comp?

By Fat Freddy's Cat

November 9, 2006 03:50 PM | Link to this

And a special link for chuck:

http://www.religioustolerance.org/xmas_lib.htm

By Fat Freddy's Cat

November 9, 2006 03:52 PM | Link to this

GOB—My respect for you is immense if you are a Teaching Company patron. I have about 150 of their courses, including all of the science, history, and religion courses.

By Chilao

November 9, 2006 03:53 PM | Link to this

Looked like a great movie, (I saw a preview), is opening December, The Nativity.(Joseph and Mary travel to Bethlehem). Ought to play well alongside Gibson’s Apocalyto. I plan on seeing both.

By chuck

November 9, 2006 04:00 PM | Link to this

So Troggy, spoke like a true homo sapien:

It’s a day off and a time to gather with friends and family to eat and enjoy each other.

Sorry, I just could not resist. I don’t know if the double entendre was on purpose or not but it was priceless.

As for your comments yesterday about whose fault the election was. You are way off basein the way that you said it, though in a way, you proved my point.

It goes to the slobs who claimed to be conservative, but then bloated the gov’t beyond all recognition. It goes to the “family values”-spouting schmucks who proved themselves to be hypocrites. It goes to the lock-step politicians who smugly thought they’d hold on to power forever, and conveniently forgot what true conservatism is.

Those are the MODERATES that I am talking about. They give lip service to conservatives and try to SOUND conservative, but they are not the true believers. Here is the difference between the (as you called them) REPUBLICAN “family values schmucks” and the democrat ones. When a Republican does it, we kick them out or they do the honorable thing and resign (see, Newt, Livingstone, and even the repugnant Foley). When the democrats do it, they defend them, rally around them and do NOTHING about it (the list is too long for a blog).

Finally, for you information, there is a difference between the oldline conservative and the conservatives of today. While conservative has always referred to people who cherish tradition, when oldline conservatives like Goldwater were around, the social issues that NEW conservatives care so much about were just in their infancy in terms of openness. Most of the things that we are fighting today were in the closet so to speak, then. The decent conservatives of that time were reticent to even discuss those types of things in PUBLIC and therefore gave the issue over to reprobates like you and Timothy Leary Nancy Pelosi. It was a great disservice to our country. Had they carried the water on these issues then things would be way different and the TRADITIONAL values that social/economic conservatives (real conservatives)are fighting to bring back would still be in place.

By Jack

November 9, 2006 04:00 PM | Link to this

A big cyber kiss to Kim, Julia, & Whiley. SMOOCH:)

Gotta go. Later.

By onceuponatime

November 9, 2006 04:06 PM | Link to this

Speaking of infestations by sprites and things: A friend moved into a new place about a month ago. She soon noticed odd things happening. Things (esp. jewelry and anything shiny) would disappear for a day or two; she wouldn’t be able to find them anywhere, but then they would reappear just where she thought she had left them. Doors she left closed would be open when she returned and vice versa. No matter how many times she cleaned the fireplace and hearth, the next day there would be ashes all over the place - a draft perhaps? She would hear something at night like tiny feet skittering across the floor but there would never be anything there when she looked. About a week after she moved in, a woman knocked on her door and asked to speak to her about a problem. The woman had lived in the house before her and she told my friend they lost their baby dragon when they moved. Maybe the dragon had returned to her old home? Perhaps my friend had sensed a presence? Strange things had been happening? Well, of course my friend thought the woman was loony tunes; she told her she hadn’t had any problems and got rid of her as quickly as she could. The little problems only intensifed however. Pots and pans would be out of the cabinets and all over the kitchen floor. The dirt from potted plants would be all over tables and floor. Food went missing, esp. any greens she had. A few days later the woman showed up again and this time begged to be allowed to spend a short time in the house to see if the dragon might be there. She said her children were really upset and crying for their lost pet. My friend was tired of the mess and all the trouble by this time and she let the woman in. The woman asked if she could have some time alone to search since the dragon, being so young, was really shy and easily frightened. My friend made sure she got her purse and her phone and then stayed in the bedroom with the door closed for about an hour. Then there was a soft knock on the door. When she opened the door, she saw the woman just exiting her front door carrying a large purse. Well, no more strange things happened after that. No more ashes, no more dirt, and things stayed where she left them. She says she can really tell a big difference in the way the house feels and smells now. This week she received a card in the mail obviously made by young children. It was a thank you card from the happy children who had their baby dragon back!

By Monica

November 9, 2006 04:07 PM | Link to this

Jack, I still am a cutie on roller-skates! Just kidding. I have to confess however that I did have my 10th birthday party at the roller rink! Ahh, those were the days.

Chilao, yes I teach English Lit/Comp. I used to teach a course that incorporated a study of film, which is why I recognized the grey suit as reinforcing the plot. One of my students who worked at the movie theater said that I ruined movies for him! He can’t watch just for enjoyment; he has to analyze. :)

~in contrast to my Standard American English teaching~ Y’all have a great day, y’hear?

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November 9, 2006 04:15 PM | Link to this

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By Chilao

November 9, 2006 04:19 PM | Link to this

Monica - thanks, figured that. I got the American Film Institute magazine for about ten years(was seeing about 150 cinema runs a year that period of my life), and everytime I read it I was going “huh, yeah I missed that(interpretation)” LOL

By Fat Freddy's Cat

November 9, 2006 04:24 PM | Link to this

Monica, You would love the Teaching Compnay as well if you teach English Lit. I’m working my way through their Great Authors of the Western Tradition 2nd Edition course right now.

Call me a biased Yankee, but I think Walt Whitman and Samuel Clemens put all of the stuffy English writers to shame, including Milton.

The only foreign author I closely identify with is Herman Hesse. Siddhartha and Steppenwolf were very influential in my teen years.

By Fat Freddy's Cat

November 9, 2006 04:31 PM | Link to this

Monica, I hope you don’t force your students to slog through Beowulf—Yucchhhh! The Canterbury Tales were a lot more interesting to me than Beowulf. English Lit doesn’t really heat up until Shakespeare, IMHO.

By onceuponatime

November 9, 2006 04:43 PM | Link to this

A joke to start off Joke Day early:

Subject: Office of President of the United States of America will be outsourced to India

Congress today announced that the office of President of the United States of America will be outsourced to India as of April 15th, 2006.

The move is being made to save the President’s $400,000 yearly salary, and also a record $521 billion in deficit expenditures and related overhead the office has incurred during the last 5 years. “We believe this is a wise move financially. The cost savings should be significant,” stated Congressman Thomas Reynolds (R-WA). Reynolds, with the aid of the Government Accounting Office (GAO), has studied outsourcing of American jobs extensively. “We cannot expect to remain competitive on the world stage with the current level of cash outlay,” Reynolds noted.

Mr. Bush was informed by email this morning of his termination. Preparations for the job move have been underway for some time. Gurvinder Singh of Indus Tele services, Mumbai, India will be assuming the office of President as of April 15th. Mr. Singh was born in the United States while his Indian parents were vacationing at Niagara Falls, thus making him eligible for the position.

He will receive a salary of $320 (USD) a month but with no health coverage or other benefits.

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“We know these scripting tools work,” stated the spokesperson. “President Bush has used them successfully for years.”

Mr. Singh may have problems with a Texas drawl, but lately Bush has abandoned the “down home” persona in his effort to appear intelligent and on top of the Katrina situation.

Bush will receive health coverage, expenses, and salary until his final day of employment. Following a two week waiting period, he will be eligible for $240 a week unemployment for 13 weeks. Unfortunately he will not be eligible for Medicaid, as his unemployment benefits will exceed the allowed limit.

Mr. Bush has been provided the outplacement services of Manpower, Inc. to help him write a resume and prepare for his upcoming job transition. According to Manpower, Mr. Bush may have difficulties in securing a new position due to limited practical work experience. A Greeter position at Wal-Mart was suggested due to Bush’s extensive experience shaking hands and phony smile. Another possibility is Bush’s re-enlistment in the Texas Air National Guard. His prior records are conspicuously vague but should he choose this option, he would likely be stationed at Ellington Air Guard Base in Houston, TX for a month, before being sent to Iraq, a country he has visited. “I’ve been there, I know all about Iraq,” stated Mr. Bush, who gained invaluable knowledge of the country in a visit to the Baghdad Airport’s terminal and gift shop.

Sources in Baghdad and Falluja say Mr. Bush would receive a warm reception from local Iraqis. They have asked to be provided with details of his arrival so that they might arrange an appropriate welcome.

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November 9, 2006 05:09 PM | Link to this

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But don’t confuse conviction with closed mindedness. There is an old saying, “Keep an open mind, but not so open your brain fall out”.

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November 10, 2006 03:25 AM | Link to this

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November 10, 2006 04:41 AM | Link to this

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November 10, 2006 06:22 AM | Link to this

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By Mara

November 10, 2006 07:16 AM | Link to this

technically this isn’t a joke, but it is darn funny…

Briton hurt after lighting firecracker in buttocks

Soldier recently back from Iraq injured in celebration of Guy Fawkes Day

Updated: 6:19 p.m. ET Nov 9, 2006

LONDON - A 22-year-old man suffered internal injuries after lighting a small firecracker he had inserted into his buttocks, paramedics said Thursday.

The incident took place Sunday, when Britain celebrated Bonfire Night, traditionally marked with fireworks to celebrate the Guy Fawkes’ gunpowder plot to blow up Parliament in the 17th century.

The man suffered burns and other unspecified internal injuries in the incident in Sunderland, 275 miles north of London.

• now let me ask…what kind of fool would clench his butt cheeks around a small explosive and then detonate the darn thing?! If he was an American, I’d bet on him being from Alabama, or maybe Mississippi. At any rate, his last words before detonation would’ve been, “Hold my beer and watch this…” ROTFLMAO!!

Happy Friday all…

By Proud Liberal

November 10, 2006 07:32 AM | Link to this

You don’t have to go much further the dictionary to know that conservatives by their very nature are not open to new ideas. Are you trying to have me believe that liberals are closed minded because they object to conservatives FORCING their philosophy on others? No liberal will tell you can’t be a Christian–many are. They just ask that religion not be foisted on people. They don’t care if you’re Christian, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist or Muslim. Liberals tend to believe in the innate goodness of the human race. Liberals are willing to let people live their own lives as long as they’re good people and don’t harm others. They do not tell you that you should be homosexual, but if you are, that’s OK. They do not tell you that you must have an abortion or even use birth control—that is your choice. Liberals aren’t concerned with your race, gender or sexual orientation. The problem with conservatives is that they try to bully others! Yes, liberals are more open minded, and it is NOT a dirty word

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November 10, 2006 08:28 AM | Link to this

I feel like an empty room, but eh. Nothing seems worth doing. I haven’t gotten much done today.

By Monica

November 10, 2006 09:11 AM | Link to this

Fat Freddy’s Cat, Actually, I do make my students “slog” through Beowulf, but just the good parts. And I try to make it as interesting as possible. One year, we created an additional monster for Beowulf to face. That was fun! I do agree with you that Shakespeare really steams up British Lit, thought Chaucer was pretty racy with The Canterbury Tales.

Have a great Friday!! :)

By Troglodyke

November 10, 2006 09:27 AM | Link to this

Had they carried the water on these issues then things would be way different and the TRADITIONAL values that social/economic conservatives (real conservatives)are fighting to bring back would still be in place.

Poor Chuck. Having to face the issues of today with a 50’s mindset must be very tough. I’ll bet the only thing keeping you from tossing in the towel is your deep, abiding faith in a mythological god who will punish the wicked, but shower you with accolades after you croak for being such a swell guy. You change so many hearts and minds every day, Chuck. I’m sure your preaching brings thousands closer to your god on a daily basis.

It must be difficult to be you. So smug and self-satisfied in your delusions, yet secretly angry at the boldness of sinners nowadays not keeping themselves hidden. How much time do you spend bemoaning the fact that things are no longer the way they used to be? How productive is that for you?

Wouldn’t it send a concrete message if god would go ahead and smite us sinners now? Wouldn’t that prove something, and get more sheeple to worship him in fear? Surely, he could smite a couple million sinners right now, and prove his followers right. Wonder why he doesn’t do it. Wonder why he lets good Xtian folks get cancer and disease and be murdered and raped daily and die horrible deaths while “sinners” don’t seem to get anything worse in greater numbers.

Wonder why he “allowed” “satan” to corrupt that poor pastor Ted? Surely, Ted changed hearts and minds every day, and did his master’s work. It’s weird.

I’m flattered to be considered a reprobate, although being lumped in with Pelosi and Timothy Leary is a bit odd. Timothy Leary? I have never taken drugs, so that can’t be it. I have no idea. I’m not a liberal, so I don’t know that Pelosi is a good comparison. Plus, she’s straight. Oh, well.

By Jack

November 10, 2006 09:31 AM | Link to this

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By Jack

November 10, 2006 09:35 AM | Link to this

George Carlin’s new rules for 2006:

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New Rule: Don’t eat anything that’s served to you out a window unless you’re a seagull. People are acting all shocked that a human finger was found in a bowl of Wendy’s chili. Hey, it cost less than a dollar. What did you expect it to contain? Trout?

New Rule: Stop saying that teenage boys who have sex with their hot, blonde teachers are permanently damaged. I have a better description for these kids: lucky bastards.

New Rule: If you need to shave and you still collect baseball cards, you’re gay. If you’re a kid, the cards are keepsakes of your idols. If you’re a grown man, they’re pictures of men.

New Rule: Ladies, leave your eyebrows alone. Here’s how much men care about your eyebrows: do you have two of them? Okay, we’re done.

New Rule: There’s no such thing as flavored water. There’s a whole aisle of this crap at the supermarket - water, but without that watery taste. Sorry, but flavored water is called a soft drink. You want flavored water? Pour some scotch over ice and let it melt. That’s your flavored water.

New Rule: Stop f*ing with old people. Target is introducing a redesigned pill bottle that’s square, with a bigger label. And the top is now the bottom. And by the time grandpa figures out how to open it, his a* will be in the morgue. Congratulations, Target, you just solved the Social Security crisis.

New Rule: The more complicated the Starbucks order, the bigger the a*****. If you walk into a Starbucks and order a “decaf grande half-soy, half-low fat, iced vanilla, double-shot, gingerbread cappuccino, extra dry, light ice, with one Sweet-n’-Low and one NutraSweet,” ….ooh, you’re a huge a*****.

New Rule: I’m not the cashier! By the time I look up from sliding my card, entering my PIN number, pressing “Enter,” verifying the amount, deciding, no, I don’t want cash back, and pressing “Enter” again, the kid who is supposed to be ringing me up is standing there eating my Almond Joy.

New Rule: Just because your tattoo has Chinese characters in it doesn’t make you spiritual. It’s right above the crack of your a*. And it actually translates to “beef with broccoli.” The last time you did anything spiritual, you were praying to God you weren’t pregnant. You’re not spiritual. You’re just high.

New Rule: Competitive eating isn’t a sport. It’s one of the seven deadly sins. ESPN recently televised the US Open of Competitive Eating, because watching those athletes at the poker table was just too damned exciting. What’s next, competitive farting? Oh wait. They’re already doing that. It’s called “The Howard Stern Show.”

New Rule: I don’t need a bigger mega M&M. If I’m extra hungry for M&Ms, I’ll go nuts and eat two.

New Rule: If you’re going to insist on making movies based on crappy, old television shows, then you have to give everyone in the Cineplex a remote so we can see what’s playing on the other screens. Let’s remember the reason something was a television show in the first place is that the idea wasn’t good enough to be a movie.

New Rule: No more gift registries. You know, it used to be just for weddings. Now it’s for babies and new homes and graduations from rehab. Picking out the stuff you want and having other people buy it for you isn’t gift giving, it’s the white people version of looting.

New Rule (and this one is long overdue): No more bathroom attendants! After I zip up, some guy is offering me a towel and a mint like I just had sex with George Michael. I can’t even tell if he’s supposed to be there, or just some freak with a fetish. Don’t want to be on your webcam, Dude. I just want to wash my hands.

New Rule: When I ask how old your toddler is, I don’t need to know in months. Not “27 Months.” “He’s two,” will do just fine. He’s not a cheese. And I didn’t really care in the first place.

By Fat Freddy's Cat

November 10, 2006 10:15 AM | Link to this

Just kidding about Beowulf, Monica. I actually found the Canterbury Tales to be interesting as well, and rather bawdy (e.g. The Miller’s Tale). But as much as I am pro-American and love Whitman and Clemens, Shakespeare has to be the most talented writer of all time. It takes a while to get into the flow of the Middle English, but once you get going, it’s great. I though Richard Burton and Elizabeth Taylor were very credible in bringing The Taming of the Shrew to the silver screen.

By Fat Freddy's Cat

November 10, 2006 10:23 AM | Link to this

And as scary as it may sound to some of you, I’m considering going into teaching for my second career. My forte is math, and I honestly believe I could help these kids learn how to think their way through math instead of just memorizing techniques to solve problems. Math can and should be fun. If any of you have children around 8-12 years old, I highly recommend “Vision in Elementary Mathematics” by W.W Sawyer. This book explains through pictures how to THINK mathematically.

By Fat Freddy's Cat

November 10, 2006 10:28 AM | Link to this

Some of you have mentioned being teachers as well. What subjects do you teach?? I think Kevin and chuck have mentioned being teachers, and even 24Mara said something about going to class. Any other teachers here?

I think my biggest hurdle in becoming a teacher will be in getting up early in the morning.

By lozen

November 10, 2006 10:38 AM | Link to this

While visiting England, George Bush is invited to tea with the Queen. He asks her what her leadership philosophy is. She says that it is to surround herself with intelligent people. Bush asks how she knows if they’re intelligent. “I do so by asking them the right questions,” says the Queen. “Allow me to demonstrate.”Bush watches as the Queen phones Tony Blair and says, “Mr. Prime Minister, please answer this question: your mother has a child, and your father has a child, and this child is not your brother or sister. Who is it?” Tony Blair responds, “It’s me, ma’am.” “Correct. Thank you and good-bye, sir,” says the Queen. She hangs up and says, “Did you get that, Mr. Bush?” Bush nods: “Yes ma’am. Thanks a lot. I’ll definitely be using that!” Bush, upon returning to Washington, decides he’d better put the Chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee to the test. Bush summons Dick Lugar to the White House and says, “Senator Lugar, I wonder if you can answer a question for me.” “Why, of course, sir. What’s on your mind?” Bush poses the question: “Uhh, your mother has a child, and your father has a child, and this child is not your brother or your sister. Who is it?” Lugar hems and haws and finally asks, “Can I think about it and get back to you?” Bush agrees, and Lugar leaves. He immediately calls a meeting of other senior Republican senators, and they puzzle over the question for several hours, but nobody can come up with an answer. Finally, in desperation, Lugar calls Rice at the State Department and explains his problem. “Now lookee here, your mother has a child, and your father has a child, and this child is not your brother or your sister. Who is it?” Rice answers immediately, “It’s me, of course.” Much relieved, Lugar rushes back to the White House, finds George Bush, and exclaims, “I know the answer, sir! I know who it is! It’s Condoleezza Rice!” And Bush replies in disgust, “Wrong, you dumb s**, it’s Tony Blair!”

By Fat Freddy's Cat

November 10, 2006 10:51 AM | Link to this

Anyone but me notice how black politicians go into office speaking of representing everyone, but always show their true racist colors within a few years. Bill Campbell is a perfect example of this, as was Maynard Jackson before him. Now even Shirley Franklin is showing herself to be a racist piece of you-know-what. Check out today’s AJC story for confirmation.

By lozen

November 10, 2006 10:53 AM | Link to this

TOP 10 DOG PEEVES ABOUT HUMANS 1. Blaming your farts on me… not funny… not funny at all! 2. Yelling at me for barking .. I’M A FRIGGIN’ DOG! 3. Taking me for a walk, then not letting me check stuff out. Exactly whose walk is this anyway? 4. Any trick that involves balancing food on my nose … stop it! 5. Any haircut that involves bows or ribbons. Now you know why we chew your stuff up when you’re not home. 6. The slight of hand, fake fetch throw. You fooled a dog! Whoooo Hoooooooo — what a proud moment for the top of the food chain. 7. Taking me to the vet for the “big snip”, then acting surprised when I freak out every time we go back! 8. Getting upset when I sniff the crotches of your guests. Sorry, but I haven’t quite mastered that handshake thing yet. 9. Dog sweaters. Hello? Haven’t you noticed the fur? 10. How you act disgusted when I lick myself Look, we both know the truth, you’re just jealous.

By Jack

November 10, 2006 11:07 AM | Link to this

Agree with you Dog.

By Michael

November 10, 2006 11:18 AM | Link to this

Liberal Open-mindness Quote of the Week … “If you think fighting off dogs and water hoses in the ’60s was bad, imagine if we sit idly by and let the right-wing Republicans take control of the Fulton County Commision.” I used to love Shirley Franklin, but you say this about a decent man like Lee Morris… wow. Who are the racists now?

By Fat Freddy's Cat

November 10, 2006 11:29 AM | Link to this

I will sing the praises of one man, however—Hosea Williams. Hosea was a mess, but in my heart, I don’t think he was racist at all. His mission was to help all downtrodden peoples, not just those of certain skin colors.

By lozen

November 10, 2006 11:30 AM | Link to this

One morning while she was making breakfast, a man walked up to his wife pinched her on the butt and said, “If you firmed up, we could get rid of your control top panty hose”. While this was on the edge of intolerable, she kept silent. The next morning the man woke his wife with a pinch on each of her breasts and said, “You know, if you firmed these up, we could get rid of your bra.” This was beyond a silent response, so she rolled over and grabbed him by his member. With a death grip in place, she said, “You know, if you firmed this up, we could get rid of the gardener, the postman, the pool man, and your brother.”

By Fat Freddy's Cat

November 10, 2006 11:51 AM | Link to this

Good jokes today, lozen!

Jack, I enjoyed the George Carlin 2006 rules. I think George is one of the few comedians who knows how to use swear words properly.

By Jack

November 10, 2006 12:07 PM | Link to this

Good one Lozen! Hahahahah!

Hosea was a good man. All should miss him.

By SpiritualRationalist

November 10, 2006 12:29 PM | Link to this

Well, everything I wanted to say has been said at some point, serves me right for coming in at the end. However:

Jack: I LOVE CARLIN, thank you so very much for brightening my day. The other joke was “priceless,” too.

By Fat Freddy's Cat

November 10, 2006 12:43 PM | Link to this

Well, I’ve got my date lined up for tonight: I’m going to meet my gay buddy and his partner for dinner at Outback Steakhouse. Last night I took another couple out for sushi, and it cost me $120. Usually I eat a full meal before eating sushi to save money. Filling up on the stuff can get quite expensive.

By Jack

November 10, 2006 01:22 PM | Link to this

I’ve got mine lined up too. We’ll do whatever she wants and it will be great cause I’m with her.

By Fat Freddy's Cat

November 10, 2006 01:36 PM | Link to this

Jack, glad to know that you and your wife are still in love after all these years. I stayed with one lady for 7 years, another for 5, and a few for 3, but never found permanent love.

By Fat Freddy's Cat

November 10, 2006 01:40 PM | Link to this

Before I leave GA, Jack, I’ll be glad to take you and Mrs. Jack out to dinner. What kind of food do you go for?

By Fat Freddy's Cat

November 10, 2006 01:57 PM | Link to this

Somehow, I don’t envision you to be much of a sushi lover, Jack. Probably, Korean food isn’t high on your list either. ; > }

By Jack

November 10, 2006 02:09 PM | Link to this

I like sushi but my sweetie doesn’t.

By lozen

November 10, 2006 02:32 PM | Link to this

Have a good one Jack. Do you think all our fellow bloggers could be, NO it is not possible! But since they’re not here today and it’s a holiday … Jack! Could they be …. guvment employees? Except for the teachers, of course?

By Jack

November 10, 2006 03:22 PM | Link to this

Didn’t think about that Lozen. A cyber kiss for you. SMOOCH :)

Gotta go so that I can get out of here before it gets too late. Take care.

By Fat Freddy's Cat

November 10, 2006 04:20 PM | Link to this

You’re right, lozen—does make you kind of suspicious…..

In my mind, Nov 11 will always be Armistice Day, anyway. It’s hard to accept the PC changes sometimes, sorry.

By Fat Freddy's Cat

November 10, 2006 04:30 PM | Link to this

Have a great two weeks, everyone. Hope y’all won’t miss your lowly mutt too much.

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I’ve more or less been doing nothing worth mentioning, but eh. My life’s been really bland today. I don’t care. I’ve just been letting everything happen without me these days. That’s how it is.

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Not much on my mind. I don’t care. I’ve just been letting everything happen without me , but shrug. Whatever. I feel like a void.

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I haven’t been up to much today. I’ve just been letting everything happen without me. Basically nothing seems worth bothering with. I’ve just been hanging out doing nothing. I just don’t have anything to say right now. More or less nothing happening.

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