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Should repeat sexual offenders be penalized more for preying on children than adult women?
Diane Glass, a left-leaning columnist, writes the commentary this week and Shaunti Feldhahn, a right-leaning columnist, responds.
Diane Glass, a left-leaning columnist, writes the commentary this week and Shaunti Feldhahn, a right-leaning columnist, responds.
Commentary
With high recidivism rates among child sexual predators, it isn’t surprising election-year hopefuls are leveraging our collective disgust with campaign-season solutions. But the current trend to pass harsher penalties for child sexual assault only fosters prevailing notions that women are complicit in sex crimes against them.
Yes, children are scarred by sexual abuse. But so are women. Studies show that the psychological effects of raping an adult woman can be more psychologically damaging to its victim than to a victim of child sexual assault. This is especially true when comparing the psychological effects of victims under the age of six, who have little understanding of what is happening to them, according to a study review in “Sex Abuse: A Journal of Research and Treatment.”
Yes, children are more innocent than women. But that’s because women walk around in fear, regardless of whether or not they’ve been sexually assaulted. “More than two-thirds of women report that they have avoided doing necessary activities because of fear of victimization,” according to “The Fear of Rape: A Study in Social Control,” published in the Journal of Social Issues.
Yes, children are defenseless. But so is your average female fighting off a 200-pound male. Yet, the general public is far more willing to believe women are somehow responsible for sex crimes committed against them. Adult female victims know this: Studies show that sexually-assaulted women with visible wounds, short of a brutal beating, heal psychologically faster than those with none. The thinking goes something like this: Bruises show a lack of consent, which result in less victim-blaming, which results in a quicker recovery period.
And, yes, there are huge differences in the degree and duration of an assault that make conclusions about age and trauma suspect. This is exactly the reason we shouldn’t legalize distinctions by passing harsher penalties for repeat offenders of child sexual assaults and not serial rapists. Because regardless of age, sexual assault victims suffer similar trauma: higher rates of depression, suicidal ideation, nightmares, sexual dysfunction, low self-esteem and a myriad of psychological disorders.
The biggest difference between the sexual assault of a child and an adult woman is not the degree of trauma experienced by the victims, but the degree of trauma inflicted by our own bias.
Rebuttal
Any sexual abuse is a serious crime that is devastating to the victim. But the revelation by disgraced congressman Mark Foley that he himself was molested as a boy illustrates why pedophilia is more serious than adult assault: it skews a child’s entire emotional development – and is tragically likely to be self-perpetuating. All too often, abused children act out inappropriately in a way that traumatizes other children — or even grow up with the sort of messed-up desires that lead to abusing others. In the scholarly book Psychiatric Aspects of Violence, Dr. Sandra Bloom notes that almost a third of men who were abused as a child end up violently victimizing others.
The research does show that childhood violations may or may not have the immediate, visible post-traumatic stress disorder-type effects of adult rape. But as serious as those adult traumas are, most adult victims are able to work through them. For example, acclaimed trauma researcher Dr. Patricia Resick noted in the Journal of Interpersonal Violence that studies of adult rape victims show “an overall pattern” where “most victims experience a strong acute reaction that lasts for several months. By three months postcrime, much of the initial turmoil has decreased and stabilized.” She notes that only a subset of victims “continue to experience chronic problems.”
By contrast, an explosion of recent research shows that childhood sexual abuse is like a deadly seed that germinates in secret, growing through the years and entwining its toxic tendrils through dozens of developmental areas. And because researchers estimate that childhood abuse is usually from someone the child knows and trusts and goes on for years (on average, for more than 7 years, according to Bloom), its psychological and emotional effects are usually that much more devastating and complicated.
I have several close friends who were sexually abused as kids — and decades later nearly all of them are still suffering the consequences in their day-to-day lives and marriages. Although I don’t know whether I agree with some states (such as Oklahoma) imposing the death penalty on repeat pedophiles, I understand the justification. Because unlike most adult rape, childhood assault often does steal away the life that the child should have had.
Comments
By Brian Curtis
October 9, 2006 08:01 AM | Link to this
Well, we’ve finally hit on a topic that will make Whiley happy, so I plan to just sit back and watch the fireworks. Take it away, Whiley!
By 2D
October 9, 2006 08:02 AM | Link to this
Why does it matter if the victim is a man, a woman or a child? All sex offenders should receive severe punishment and the repeaters should receive exponentially more severe punishment. Period.
That being said, we should also be asking other questions like:
By Brian Curtis
October 9, 2006 08:21 AM | Link to this
2D: Haven’t you heard? Any attempt to understand the cause of criminal behavior is exactly the same as excusing it and “siding with the criminal against the victims.” Talk of rehabilitation just gets in the way of righteous fury and elaborate revenge/mutilation fantasies. What are you, some kinda pinko?
Welcome to Black-or-White World, where all the answers are easy!
By A Lawyer
October 9, 2006 08:29 AM | Link to this
In the most general sense, legal “punishment” of criminals serves two very different purposes for two different “groups“ of people: (1) For society as a whole, it is important to “punish” criminals for reasons of public safety, that is in order to prevent both that particular criminal AND others who may think similarly from repeating that same type of crime. This is known as CRIMINAL PROSECUTION, in which the plaintiff is the State, i.e. the representative body for all citizens. (2) For the individual victims of particular crimes, it is important for those persons to have the right to be compensated for INDIVIDUAL DAMAGES they sustained as a result of the crimes committed against them. This is known as CIVIL PROSECUTION, in which the plaintiffs are individuals.
Many people were confused about this point following the O J Simpson trials when the family of Ron Goldman won a civil case against O J in 1997 after O J was acquitted of the criminal charges for the SAME CRIME in 1995. Because the penalty for criminal charges is often loss of freedom, and sometimes even life itself, the standard for criminal prosecution remains very high (beyond a reasonable doubt) versus the standard for civil prosecution (preponderance of evidence), in which the judgment can only be monetary. As such, different verdicts may result following the two different trials. Contrary to many individuals’ claims, this is NOT double-jeopardy, i.e. trying a man twice for the same crime. In each case, the PLAINTIFFS are DIFFERENT, and are thus TWO SEPARATE CASES, albeit generated by the SAME CRIME.
By SusieHomeMaker
October 9, 2006 08:29 AM | Link to this
Can these people be rehabilitated or do they need to be removed from society?
My vote would be for them to be moved from society. There have been studies conducted with sex offenders to gauge the effects of rehabilitation — but the majority of offenders have either said or demonostrated that rehabilitaion of one’s sexual inclination is harder to do than first imagined.
By A Lawyer
October 9, 2006 08:33 AM | Link to this
A clear answer to this week’s question can only be found by separating the criminal prosecution from the civil. On the criminal side, ALL violent criminals, especially sexually violent criminals, should be incarcerated for long periods of time or killed (OR offered either castration or banishment to a dental floss farm in Montana with no way back to society. Forget feeding and housing them on MY DIME. Right, Jack?). With the recidivism rates what they are, rehabilitation doesn’t seem to be a reasonable option.
While the potential civil damages to the victims should be strongly considered during criminal sentencing, in the end they are IRRELEVANT TO FULFILLING THE PURPOSE OF THIS SENTENCING, WHICH IS TO PROTECT SOCIETY FROM FUTURE ATTACKS. As such, focusing on WHICH CATEGORY OF VICTIM IS MORE HARMED IS IDIOTIC IN TRYING TO DETERMINE THE APPROPRIATE SENTENCE FOR SUCH CRIMINALS. If this point was understood by more judges, THERE WOULD BE FEW REPEAT OFFENDERS ROAMING AROUND IN THE FIRST PLACE.
By Jack
October 9, 2006 08:34 AM | Link to this
Yea BC let’s not punish them. Let’s study them. Then we can release them so they can do it again. We can then figure out why they are repeat offenders. Is that your take? If someone brutally raped someone you love you want to STUDY THEM? Give me a break. They should be castrated with a rusty hacksaw.
By Betty
October 9, 2006 08:38 AM | Link to this
What matter if the victim be male, woman, child or sheep? Jail and rehab do nothing but the solution should be 100% castration. With such a penalty after conviction there would be fewer crimes of this violence. The sticky point is what to do with so many castrati after punishment now that opera is loosing its audience…
By A Healer
October 9, 2006 08:40 AM | Link to this
In terms of the number of civil charges filed following sexual assault, very few are ever filed. The reason for this is that the damage done to most victims is not monetary, and usually not even physical in any permanent way, so much as it is spiritual in nature. So, how could, or why should a victim of sexual assault sue for civil damages? For some victims it helps the healing process, but for most, this extra step for “revenge” is too painful to be worth it. That’s why GOD (via the State) tells victims, “Let vengeance be mine”. The fastest path to healing for most victims is to simply accept that part of the deal without getting their own hands dirty through vengeful acts, or even worse by driving themselves crazy thinking about it.
The most important answers, that is how to help victims of violent crime to heal and perhaps more importantly, how to prevent the crime in the first place, can not be found in the realm of manly laws, but can only be found in the realm of GOD‘S LOVE. For an important clue about this whole process, we don’t have to look much further than the Amish people who went to the funeral of the killer of the five little girls last week. I’ve known many Mennonite people in my lifetime, and they are the real deal, folks, this was no media stunt.
By A Lawyer
October 9, 2006 08:41 AM | Link to this
Jack, Do you think BC ever saw “A Clockwork Orange”?
By Brian Curtis
October 9, 2006 08:47 AM | Link to this
Jack: I’m impressed. You fell right into the black-or-white trap, even with a warning sign posted!
Here I thought I was caricaturing revenge fanatics, and you go ahead and embody their attitude, apparently in all seriousness.
Yes, any attempt to figure out the criminal mind necessarily means we can’t punish them. It’s either/or, don’tcha know. Sheesh!
By A Lawyer
October 9, 2006 08:53 AM | Link to this
BC, Do you even understand the REASON for CRIMINAL PROSECUTION? It’s to PROTECT SOCIETY, PERIOD.
By Betty
October 9, 2006 08:55 AM | Link to this
That’s why GOD (via the State) tells victims, “Let vengeance be mine”.
Sugar, if it was YOU and YOURS vengeance of the Lord would not be enough especially when that same bastard makes parole and is out on the street committing the same kind of violence within a year time. Think back to Julie Love.
By A Lawyer
October 9, 2006 08:57 AM | Link to this
I’m not so sure BC is as smart as he thinks he is, folks. Apparently all those piles of my CASH he keeps carting home with his bogus “Science” have inflated his ego to a point that he really does believe he knows it all. Which is VERY ANNOYTING TO THOSE OF US WHO ACTUALLY DO KNOW IT ALL. ; > }.
By JoeBob
October 9, 2006 08:59 AM | Link to this
Would these new laws affect the many Mexican men who are in my county’s violator website for statutory rape? You know, in Mexico it’s okay for 25 year old men to have sex with 14-year olds, the way I understand it. And can you blame them for continuing over here? If you woke up in certain parts of Gainesville, you’d be wondering how in the heck you got to Mexico. If you think I’m exaggerating about either, look at the website and take a tour of south Gainesville.
By A SORRY CUR
October 9, 2006 09:03 AM | Link to this
Jack, my bad for upsetting some of the ladies last week. In my mind, I was giving them an e-hand slap to wake them up to what I feel are important issues—namely their own safety and well-being. I think that some of them forget that us men are like those wild stallions who will run miles to find a mare in heat. I’m not a prude, but that’s why I think women should behave MODESTLY in public.
I realize now that my methods were poor, and I was out of line. I hope you and all the ladies will accept my apology. I will be a better DOG in the future.
By Lawyer/Healer
October 9, 2006 09:05 AM | Link to this
Betty, I’m with you all the way with your point. Reread Lawyer’s post at 8:33 for my agreement with you.
By MasterTasker
October 9, 2006 09:13 AM | Link to this
Women cannot deny they imagine be raped as sexual turn-on. A whole genre of writing exists of bodace-ripping stories of movies of women kidnapped by pirates by sultry sailors they fall in love with. Denial of this with so much BDSM in popular cultrue is hippocritical; dont wear the corset if you dont want the whipping b***.
By Lawyer/Healer
October 9, 2006 09:14 AM | Link to this
Here’s a little piece straight from the Mennonite website:
Sin is turning away from God and making gods of creation and of ourselves. We sin by making individual and group choices to do unrighteousness and injustice. [2] We sin by omitting to do good and neglecting to give God the glory due our Creator and Redeemer. In sinning, we become unfaithful to the covenant with God and with God’s people, destroy right relationships, use power selfishly, do violence, and become separated from God. As a result, we are not able to worship God rightly. [3]
By Lawyer/Healer
October 9, 2006 09:19 AM | Link to this
MasterTasker, Please don’t forget that every tool is a weapon, every weapon a tool. Do you see how that concept applies here?
In normal sex, a man has a tool. In rape, he has a weapon.
By Lawyer/Healer
October 9, 2006 09:23 AM | Link to this
But remember, GOD is not SOME MAN IN SPACE. That is the ridiculous man-made concept sold in churches. Again, straight from the Mennonite website:
God both surpasses human understanding and is truly knowable through revelation. Our knowledge of God rests in this tension. Further, God’s characteristics (or “attributes”) sometimes appear contradictory to us. For example, how can God be both just and merciful, characteristics which in human experience often seem opposed? Yet we confess that in the divine being these attributes are perfectly united. Finally, according to Scripture, the love of God has a certain priority in relation to other divine attributes. The article reflects this emphasis by such phrases as “righteous love” rather than by playing “righteousness” off against “love” or by focusing on one without the other.
By Renee
October 9, 2006 09:23 AM | Link to this
I thought about this topic. A sexual predator, no matter who they are preying on, should be dealt with swiftly and to the maximum penalty. However, personally, I do think a crime against a child is the worst. Whoever is that sick to harm an innocent child, should be castrated, in my perfect world.
By Lawyer/Healer
October 9, 2006 09:27 AM | Link to this
So maybe kimberly and lozen will forgive me for giving BC a hard time. You see, ladies, while YOU know that GOD exists through the miracle of chiropractic care, BC will deny that experience can actually happen because IT’S “UNSCIENTIFIC”.
The fact that I’ve seen that miracle hundreds of thousands of times myself means nothing to him. In fact, he’s got stacks of papers to “PROVE” that.
By Betty
October 9, 2006 09:32 AM | Link to this
With prisons being as open-door as America’s borders the violence inside these jails increases as does the bad influence of criminals who get off easy, or spend 7 years because of overcrowding instead of what they were sentenced to: LIFE. Castration would change the current gang+thug jail-worshiping culture ruining this country. It would end violence of repeat offenders, stem the increase in child pornography and is 100% effective against gang members. Any prisoner convicted of a life sentence for a violent crime which includes rape, murder or pedophiliacs should be castrated before entering the prison system and then, and only then, would they leave prison: rehabilitated.
By Movie Buff
October 9, 2006 09:36 AM | Link to this
Gotta run. To try to provide some levity today, I thought up what movies might describe some of the regular bloggers here. What do you all think?
Renee—Foxy Brown
SusieHomemaker—Julia (60s TV show)
Mara—Legally Blonde
kimberly—Sleeping With the Enemy
Lozen/Lyrazel—Thelma and Louise
chuck—Elmer Gantry
DOG—Taxi Driver (You talkin’ to me???)
BC—The Omega Man
Jack—The Deer Hunter
Randy—Carleton Sheets Infomercial
Chilao—Dr. Strangelove (Or How I stopped Worrying and Started Loving the Bomb)
72John—All About Eve
kimberly + Jack—Dr. Zhivago (how noble you are, Jack!)
72John + DOG—Midnight Cowboy (I’m Ratzo, John)
By SusieHomeMaker
October 9, 2006 09:37 AM | Link to this
Women cannot deny they imagine be raped as sexual turn-on. A whole genre of writing exists of bodace-ripping stories of movies of women kidnapped by pirates by sultry sailors they fall in love with. Denial of this with so much BDSM in popular cultrue is hippocritical; dont wear the corset if you dont want the whipping b###
Who are you and how can you possibly say something as inane as that? If there are some women out there who has a sexual fantasy of rape, it is with their PARTNER, not some nameless, unwashed baboon. Also, have you ever actually READ those romance novels you are citing? These novels deal with capture yes, but the woman is coerced into a sexual liaison with the male not FORCED. Big difference. BDSM usually takes place between two CONSENTING ADULTS; in a controlled environment — because both partners enjoy it not just one.
Please look again at the capitalized words: Partner, Read, Forced, Consenting Adults. Maybe these words will ring a bell.
By Chilao
October 9, 2006 09:39 AM | Link to this
Can we refer to the product of child-hood sexual abuse as Survivors, not the condescending victims?
Much as I lean Diane’s way most of the time, I could not be more solidly on Shaunti’s side on this. Nowehere does Diane mention emotional development of children, versus adult. And yes, we definitely DO have a bias, for children. Survivors of child-hood sexual abuse are scarred for life. period.
The escort girl I mentioned last week, former neighbor of a buddy, was the product of it. She and at least 7 of her sisters. Their dad, the perpetrator, got 40 years in the state pen, essentially a life sentence. I met two of her sisters, both incapable of anything that would vaguely resemble a real, healthy relationship. I learned all this from my buddy, not the women who were visiting for merely non-sexual socializing. Hardly my only experience with Survivors, but the other details I need not go into here.
Since it is rather easy to be wrongfully convicted of sexual-crimes, I ver away from the death-sentence, but 3-strikes you are incarcerated for life works well for me.
By Chilao
October 9, 2006 09:46 AM | Link to this
Slim Pickens going ‘hee haw’?, giving new meaning to the term ride ‘em cowboy. LOL
By Movie Buff
October 9, 2006 09:48 AM | Link to this
I had a hard time narrowing it down for you, Chilao. I couldn’t decide if “your movie” should be Casablanca, the Maltese Falcon, or even the Godfather. You’re hard to pin downm y friend.
For Jack, I had to decide between Apocalypse Now or The Deer Hunter, but feel that he’s better described by the second film.
For Renee, who else could it be but Foxy Brown??
In real life, I look a lot like Robin Williams, but am more like the Matt Damon character in “Good Will Hunting”
By lozen
October 9, 2006 09:52 AM | Link to this
Do they mean people who have been caught after raping a woman or a child, then released to do it again, then caught again? I’m a little confused….
By Movie Buff
October 9, 2006 09:52 AM | Link to this
Oh, and for 72John, it’s definitely “All About Eve”…. Just poking fun, John. I did think chuck got you a little while back with his “song analysis” for you: “Backdoor Man” by the Doors. ; > ]
Also I saw that chuck went to a Stevie Vai concert. Maybe the old guy has a cool bone in there somewhere.
By SusieHomeMaker
October 9, 2006 09:53 AM | Link to this
Any prisoner convicted of a life sentence for a violent crime which includes rape, murder or pedophiliacs should be castrated before entering the prison system and then, and only then, would they leave prison: rehabilitated.
What if, as it has been proven time and time again — especially now with DNA evidence releasing hundreds of prisoners, the person was wrongly convicted?
By Movie Buff
October 9, 2006 09:54 AM | Link to this
I’m still curious what the ladies here think are the best all-time “crying movies”?? Any votes, ladies??
By Movie Buff
October 9, 2006 09:56 AM | Link to this
So Chilao, did I nail it for you with Dr. Strangelove?
By lozen
October 9, 2006 09:59 AM | Link to this
Should repeat drunk drivers be given more jail time for killing a man than killing a woman? Should repeat robbers be given more jail time for robbing a business owned by a woman than for robbing a business owned by a man?
By Renee
October 9, 2006 10:01 AM | Link to this
I need to know if anybody saw “The Departed” this weekend.
Chilao, good comment.
By Lawyer/Healer
October 9, 2006 10:05 AM | Link to this
Lozen, out of curiosity, do you now understand why many people like myself oppose “hate crime” legislation for the same reason you’re raising? A crime is a crime, regardless of the “demographics” of the victim.
The most important point to remember, however, is that CRIMINAL LAW and CIVIL LAW are two very different things. In one case, society as a whole is the plaintiff. In the second case, the victim is the plaintiff.
By Chilao
October 9, 2006 10:06 AM | Link to this
Much as I lean Diane’s way most of the time, I could not be more solidly on Shaunti’s side on this.
Sssshh, please don’t spread some vicious rumour about me, siding with Shaunti and all. But be forewarned, if you do, people will consider you lying, okay. LMAO
Mara - great movie choice for you, if you remember how intelligent she was, actually, masquerading as Stylishly Superficial.
I only saw the first Godfather(none of the other ones), and only parts of Casablanca and not at all The Maltese Falcon. So probably a good thing you chose one I saw for the first time about 4 years ago, on big-screen cinema at that.
By Lawyer/Healer
October 9, 2006 10:06 AM | Link to this
Lozen, do you accept my apology for my rude behavior toward you a few weeks ago?
By Lawyer/Healer
October 9, 2006 10:09 AM | Link to this
To keep the controversy going, what did you all think of the Marcus Dixon case a few years ago? It was a journalist’s dream story: Rape, racism, age of consent, Oprah, all rolled into one story!!
By Chilao
October 9, 2006 10:09 AM | Link to this
So Chilao, did I nail it for you with Dr. Strangelove?
not really, I figured I got it because I mentioned Kubrick and have been on the back of a horse, bareback at that. That stallion was strictly bareback, never saw a saddle on him.
Renee - The Departed could be the best movie this year. I was hoping they would show the Quincy waterfront, and they did.
By Betty
October 9, 2006 10:10 AM | Link to this
What if, as it has been proven time and time again — especially now with DNA evidence releasing hundreds of prisoners, the person was wrongly convicted?
Ask yourself how rare these cases are! Yes, even DeKalb locked someone up 14 years but it was because there was no DNA evidence/tests made at the time of the incarceration. Ask yourself today how many freed criminals get out before their time and re-commit crimes, often the same type of crimes and frequently the same victim? The risks of releasing criminals into our society compensates for the guilty before proven innocent! I am not saying death penalty. You can live and function in society castrated and also with current trend of lawyers seeking awards/judgement payments as compensation for serving prison—why the moral guilt?
By Movie Buff
October 9, 2006 10:16 AM | Link to this
You’re not “The Horse Whisperer” are you, Chilao? I heard there’s a new film coming out, “The Dog Whisperer”. Why can’t they ever leave a good movie stand without ruining it with all the sequels?
By Lawyer/Healer
October 9, 2006 10:18 AM | Link to this
Betty, I pray I never commit a crime and have you on the jury.
By Jack
October 9, 2006 10:18 AM | Link to this
I didn’t fall into any trap BC. It is black & white. You rape, you should pay dearly. Period.
By SusieHomeMaker
October 9, 2006 10:19 AM | Link to this
I’m still curious what the ladies here think are the best all-time “crying movies”??
I like old movies. So my favorite is Love Story.
By lozen
October 9, 2006 10:20 AM | Link to this
So we’re all just accepting the idea that sexual offenders will have the chance to repeat? If our justice system worked for women and children there would be no repeat sexual offenders. These men should be sentenced to years in prison for the first offense and never have a chance to repeat! Our justice system punishes a man who is caught with an ounce of cocaine or a man who robs a gas station with more jail time than a man who rapes a woman or a child.
By Chilao
October 9, 2006 10:22 AM | Link to this
Not all convictions revolve around DNA testing. Some revolve around who can be the most convincing, in the Total-BS department, on the witness stand, crocodile-tears and all.
By A Mennonite
October 9, 2006 10:24 AM | Link to this
We do have to be careful with the retribution thing, Jack. “An eye for an eye” is what the Bible prescribes. No less than that, but no more either. And, we shouldn’t have hate in our hearts when we administer retribution, but love.
By Chilao
October 9, 2006 10:25 AM | Link to this
Susie - since you’re back, I neglected last week to do a hahahahahahahaha on your long-hair music remark. LOL
By Movie Buff
October 9, 2006 10:27 AM | Link to this
Renee, what do you think the line, “Love means never having to say you’re sorry”, from Love Story?
I agree with Kurt Vonnegut, Jr. regarding that point when he said “What the world needs now is less ‘love’ and more ‘common courtesy’ in one of his novels.
By Jack
October 9, 2006 10:29 AM | Link to this
They never pick me because I believe in justice.
By Lawyer/Healer
October 9, 2006 10:30 AM | Link to this
Lozen, I think it’s the liberal faction of our country that favors lenient punishments, not conservatives like Jack and me. Are you switching parties?? Welcome aboard!!
By Chilao
October 9, 2006 10:32 AM | Link to this
you want a teary-eyed movie scene?
Breaking Away, bicyclists in an Indiana university town, stone-cutters’ kids(townies), against the preppy jocks(never worked for a thing in their lives). Stone cutter goes with his kid into a fancy stone building on the university, and he cannot go into the building, because the building is “too good for me”. This from the man who went down into the ground and cut the pink granite out of the quarry. Dayum.!!
Daniel Stern has a great line, everybody hanging out on the corner, doing absolutely nothing, someone drives up and asks “What’s going on, guys?”(no reply, they don’t like the questioner). “really man, what’s going on?” Stern replies “Actually we are a little disburbed about recent events in the Middle East, but aside from that…”. hilarious.
By Lawyer/Healer
October 9, 2006 10:32 AM | Link to this
I’m betting they’re not going to pick me next week either, Jack. I plan to show up with a crew cut, a three piece suit, and a definite scowl for all the defendants and their lawyers when it comes time to select the jury.
By Chilao
October 9, 2006 10:34 AM | Link to this
I heard there’s a new film coming out, “The Dog Whisperer”
sounds like a really gross movie. will they have showers available at the cinema, for after? LOL
By Lawyer/Healer
October 9, 2006 10:39 AM | Link to this
Well finally Lozen switched over to the conservative side. Who will be next? Of course, the ultimate challenge will be Mara.
By Chilao
October 9, 2006 10:56 AM | Link to this
Lozen - see what happens when you have simple minds needing simple black/white labels? You get labeled a conservative. LOL I work with one guy still talking about The Ruskies and has yet to evolve into the new century. He spends alot of money at Harbor Freight Tools though(all made in China).
By kimberly
October 9, 2006 10:57 AM | Link to this
Movie Buff, “Schindler’s List” wrecked me, and pretty much anyone else with a soul, I think. Chick flicks? Nah.
What to do with creepy kid-touchers? United Network of Outraged Parents (UNOP). Working together, we can move ‘em from where they stand into the belly of an Alligator in 36 hours. NO problem.
By SusieHomeMaker
October 9, 2006 10:58 AM | Link to this
Wow! You compared me to Diahann Carrol (Julia), one of the most beautiful women in the world?!! THANKS!!!! Beer’s on me for Happy Hour on Friday!! Maybe I can get you real drunk and you can compare me to Halle Berry next!!!!
By lozen
October 9, 2006 11:01 AM | Link to this
In the United States, 1.3 women are raped every minute. That results in 78 rapes each hour, 1872 rapes each day, 56,160 rapes each month and 683,280 rapes each year. 1 out of every 3 American women will be sexually assulted in her lifetime. The United States has the world’s highest rape rate of the countries that publish such statistics. It’s 4 times higher than Germany, 13 times higher than England, and 20 times higher than Japan.
By lozen
October 9, 2006 11:05 AM | Link to this
Susie, you had a good answer for the low-life who claimed women want to be raped. Of course, he’s not unique. That’s been used against women forever.
By lozen
October 9, 2006 11:06 AM | Link to this
Yes Chilao, simple minds need simple labels for everybody and everything!
By SusieHomeMaker
October 9, 2006 11:08 AM | Link to this
You can live and function in society castrated and also with current trend of lawyers seeking awards/judgement payments as compensation for serving prison—why the moral guilt?
No guilt, just asking a question. To say that mistakes don’t happen, would be insincere. To say people don’t get set up for crimes, or are wrongfully accused would be illogical — especially judging from the Olympic Park Bombings and the Tulia’s black residents scandal of 2000, (Tulia, TX).
By SusieHomeMaker
October 9, 2006 11:12 AM | Link to this
Chilao: I see you as more of a romantic. Probably a good movie for you would be anything made by Valentino. You seem like the smoldering, Latin Lover type. IMO.
Long hair music — anything from the 60’s or 70’s. Hey, my godmother is still a hippie and really “digs” that kind of groove!
By Renee
October 9, 2006 11:15 AM | Link to this
Chilao - I agree it would the best this year. Outstanding. Can you explain the end to me though. I have been baffled all night lol. Email me at reneesopinion@hotmail.com so you don’t give it away to the others lol.
By lozen
October 9, 2006 11:16 AM | Link to this
“More than two-thirds of women report that they have avoided doing necessary activities because of fear of victimization,” according to “The Fear of Rape: A Study in Social Control,” published in the Journal of Social Issues.
Women do live with this fear all the time.
So, my answer to the question is NO. Someone who rapes a woman should be in jail for a long, long time. Someone who rapes a child should be in jail for a long, long time! The real problem is, in both cases he won’t get much time and will soon be back on the street to rape women and children again.
By SusieHomeMaker
October 9, 2006 11:17 AM | Link to this
Movie Buff, “Schindler’s List” wrecked me, and pretty much anyone else with a soul.
I forgot about that one!! I read all I could find afterwards on the real Schlindler and the Nazi Death Camps.
What to do with creepy kid-touchers? United Network of Outraged Parents (UNOP). Working together, we can move ‘em from where they stand into the belly of an Alligator in 36 hours. NO problem.
LOL!! And like Chilao said previously, that type of offense seems to keep on giving. Some abused children turn into abusers themselves and so on and so on……
By Jack
October 9, 2006 11:18 AM | Link to this
OK. If guilt is certain. Break out the rusty hacksaw and don’t let them back out in society.
By SusieHomeMaker
October 9, 2006 11:20 AM | Link to this
The United States has the world’s highest rape rate of the countries that publish such statistics. It’s 4 times higher than Germany, 13 times higher than England, and 20 times higher than Japan.
If we’re such a “Moral” country, I wonder why that’s so? Kinda scary for me, as a woman, to think about that, and me as a parent, to think about my children.
By Chilao
October 9, 2006 11:22 AM | Link to this
Susie - can’t keep up with all your humour, first long-hair, then Suave Latino. LOL
By Just Being Me
October 9, 2006 11:29 AM | Link to this
I’m still curious what the ladies here think are the best all-time “crying movies”?? Any votes, ladies??
In order…
Beaches, hands down.
The Women of Brewster Place (close running for 1st place)
The Color Purple
Philadelphia
Rosewood
Ghost
By lozen
October 9, 2006 11:33 AM | Link to this
Don’t let em fool ya Susie. We ain’t such a moral country. The U.S. is a very violent country. I feel much safer in European cities, even though I don’t know my way around and the areas to avoid, as I do here.
By Scalia
October 9, 2006 11:34 AM | Link to this
Wow, rape is that often in the United States? Every 1.3 women raped every minute.
But when you think about it, the United States enjoys violence and violent acts. Look at the movies, the news, our entertainment. I love football, but it is a violent sport. Look at how many players get injured from being knocked down by a 250 lb guy. Or boxing. Taking shots to the head like that isn’t that good.
By lozen
October 9, 2006 11:40 AM | Link to this
JBM, you’re feeding the troll! I know it changes its name so fast it’s really hard to keep up.
By Betty
October 9, 2006 11:42 AM | Link to this
If you dont want the time dont do the crime. I fail to see why I would not be impartial on a jury after all we are innocent until proven guilty—except by the press—Remember Jewell, AJC? The cost of keeping prisoners locked up for life equals per year what an average middle class tax-payer makes yearly (50,000). The the worst offenders are violent criminals incarcerated in a place where violent & sexual acts repeatedly occur to the inmates thus more money is spent to guard them than the average criminals up for a 3d strike DUI. The argument someone with cocaine doing the same time as someone who committed rape is part of the problem with the current system that rewards repeat offenders with probation after a minimum sentence is done NOT in hope of rehabilitation but because of the cost! There has been no increase of funding to rehabilitation services or to hire more probation officers. Building more jails will not end the problem but castration would certainly keep offenders from becoming glorified by their peers, AND would lower violence occurring in-prison. Also moving sex offenders from living near bus stops, or moving them to Montana, would not work! First, why the hell should the residents of Montana bear the cost of other state’s criminals unless they are amply rewarded for such inconvenience? I doubt all the Montana dental floss tycoons would be appreciative to such legislation. Second, most violence against children occurs by another family member. For example all the children could be moved to different stops but if the sex-perp is the principal of the school/minister/rabbi what is a parent to do? If you cant make your neighborhood safe from criminals—debilitate the criminal! Love means never having to watching the criminal who raped/abused/killed your husband/wife/sister/son/child being released. Quote John Lennon: Life is what happens when you are busy making other plans.
By Chilao
October 9, 2006 11:44 AM | Link to this
The sexual assault stats of 1 in 3 should not be considered direct rape. If a male were to rub his erection against the butt of a woman on the subway, it would be considered a sexual assault, even though no actual rape occurred.
Renee - I emailed you.
By Just Being Me
October 9, 2006 11:49 AM | Link to this
Should repeat drunk drivers be given more jail time for killing a man than killing a woman?
No, because in that situation, women and men are equally vulnerable to the potential for becoming the victims of drunken drivers.
Should repeat robbers be given more jail time for robbing a business owned by a woman than for robbing a business owned by a man?
No, because in that situation, women and men are equally vulnerable to the potential for becoming the victims of robbery.
Should repeat sexual offenders be penalized more for preying on children than adult women?
I agree with all who said that sexual offenders shouldn’t even be in a position where they can “repeat” their crimes. However, in the event that they do repeat their sexual offense, yes, they should be penalized more for preying on children than adults because in this situation, the children are more vulnerable than adults are. Children have virtually no defense.
I don’t know the stats, but I’m willing to bet dollars to donuts that the percentage of women who escape an attempted sexual assault is way higher than that of children who do. Women are stronger, smarter, more knowledgeable, more experienced, and less trusting than children are, and therefore stand more of a chance of escape. Children are easy prey, and anyone who goes near a child with the intention of causing harm should be punished severely.
By Just Being Me
October 9, 2006 11:50 AM | Link to this
JBM, you’re feeding the troll! I know it changes its name so fast it’s really hard to keep up.
Oops! I didn’t realize he was a troll. Sorry all and thanks, Lozen! I’ll push my “ignore” button right now! :-)
By Just Being Me
October 9, 2006 11:55 AM | Link to this
So theoretically, between Kimberly, Mara, Susie, Lozen, Renee, Betty, and I, at least two of us have been or will be sexually assaulted in our lifetime.
By Brian Curtis
October 9, 2006 12:00 PM | Link to this
But remember, folks: It’s important to never try to find out why rapes happen. EVER. We must NEVER learn anything about the underlying causes, because (in the right-wing mind) that would be the same as turning them loose without punishment and excusing their actions.
Remember that. Ignorance is important, people! Any attempt to figure out reasons and causes is sympathizing with rapists.
By SusieHomeMaker
October 9, 2006 12:12 PM | Link to this
But remember, folks: It’s important to never try to find out why rapes happen. EVER. We must NEVER learn anything about the underlying causes
Rape is a crime of violence. Rapes happen because a person has a sexual fantasy or prediliction of violently assaulting someone else.
We have been studying rapists, serial killers, etc. for years and I think the basics of the act are the same. The only thing that changes are the motives for each particular instance.
By Chilao
October 9, 2006 12:21 PM | Link to this
Rape is also a violence against women thing, so castration would merely allow that rage to be directed in other ways, potentially much more violently. Often, many rapes have very little to do with the actual sex act, however, the rage against women is manifested that way.
By Toad
October 9, 2006 12:21 PM | Link to this
Diane is all wet on this one and for once I agree with Shaunti. JBM makes a great argument about children being less likely to fight off an abuser than a grown woman. Diane’s statement about children under six not knowing what happens is bull. They may not understand but that doesn’t mean they aren’t damaged by it. This whole repressed memory idea has been presented out of proportion but I believe it can happen. An adult has sexual issues then realizes s/he was abused as a very young child. An abused child, as Shaunti says, very often abuses when s/he is an adult. A raped woman is not likely to become a rapist. A victim/survivor is traumatized regardless of age or gender, but a perpetrator of childhood abuse or incest is more insidious to my mind. Also, rape is a violent sexual act, but child rape, while violent, has more of a sexual/control component.
By Toad
October 9, 2006 12:24 PM | Link to this
Susie, you fell into Brian’s sarCHASM. The gap between his sarcasm and your failure to realize it was sarcasm.
By lozen
October 9, 2006 12:26 PM | Link to this
BrianCurtis, I agree we should be trying to find out why criminals commit crimes, while they are locked up away from us. It isn’t either/or as you stated earlier. Why do females who are sexually abused as children not grow up (in general) to commit similar crimes against other children while males do?
By chuck
October 9, 2006 12:29 PM | Link to this
Well I have just seen the most inane comment to date from Diane:
But the current trend to pass harsher penalties for child sexual assault only fosters prevailing notions that women are complicit in sex crimes against them.
No, what it MEANS is that children are more vulnerable than women, so crimes against them are more serious. We have to protect the most vulnerable among us from predators.
What a maroon.
By SusieHomeMaker
October 9, 2006 12:37 PM | Link to this
So theoretically, between Kimberly, Mara, Susie, Lozen, Renee, Betty, and I, at least two of us have been or will be sexually assaulted in our lifetime.
That’s why I learned how to defend myself. I can shoot darn near any type of weapon out there, but you never know when you’re in a situation where you just can’t get to your weapon soon enough, so you have to learn how to take deter an offender first.
By Chilao
October 9, 2006 12:39 PM | Link to this
Is a moron wearing maroon today?
By Jack
October 9, 2006 12:40 PM | Link to this
“Look at how many players get injured from being knocked down by a 250 lb guy. Or boxing. Taking shots to the head like that isn’t that good.”
They get paid well to take those shots. Women & children don’t get paid to be assaulted.
By Toad
October 9, 2006 12:42 PM | Link to this
I’m in bizarro world. Chuck just nailed Diane’s most stupid comment.
By lozen
October 9, 2006 12:42 PM | Link to this
JBM, I have been a victim of attempted sexual assault more than once.
By 2D
October 9, 2006 12:45 PM | Link to this
Maybe we could go ‘Escape From New York’ with those who commit violent crimes?
Find an island out in the middle of the ocean, drop them off, give them provisions each month and patrol to ensure none of them escape. That cleans the streets, eliminates the need for a death penalty, frees up local jail space and would probably reduce the cost of incarceration. Just an idea.
By Jack
October 9, 2006 12:46 PM | Link to this
Hey Chuck, I think she’s purple.
By Toad
October 9, 2006 12:53 PM | Link to this
Diane’s been marooned by her liberal fans this week.
By Chilao
October 9, 2006 12:54 PM | Link to this
Just learned the color maroon is also the same as the oldest world country flag(still around), and is also known as Latvian red.
maybe that’s what was meant….LOL(didn’t they use to be Kommunista?)
By Mara
October 9, 2006 12:54 PM | Link to this
JBM - So theoretically, between Kimberly, Mara, Susie, Lozen, Renee, Betty, and I, at least two of us have been or will be sexually assaulted in our lifetime
I’ll own up. Though some would disagree that it was “rape” because no weapon (other than greater physical strength) was used and the threat of violence was implied and not implicit.
Chilao - good movie choice indeed. Can’t tell you how many times I’ve heard that line about not having to try so hard because I’m not, as Elle says, “completely unfortunate looking” :^)
By Toad
October 9, 2006 01:04 PM | Link to this
I was almost raped but was able to fight him off by kicking with boots. I was on the front seat of a car and somehow that worked to my advantage when I started kicking even though my pants were around my thighs. Since then I’ve learned that women should use their legs to fight back rather than fists. Preferably by RUNNING! Or kicking.
By Chilao
October 9, 2006 01:06 PM | Link to this
Diane’s been marooned by her liberal fans this week.
When I read the topic this week, both sides, I wondered if some higher authority made the Pro/Con assignments, and Diane drew the short straw this week. LOL
By Jack
October 9, 2006 01:09 PM | Link to this
greater physical strength is a weapon when used against a weaker opponent.
By Jack
October 9, 2006 01:18 PM | Link to this
The punishment should be the same for sexual assault whether the victim be a child or a female olympic weight lifter. What about “hate” crimes? A dirty deed is a dirty deed no matter who the victim is. How bout affimative action for a crime? Yeah. You can do it to this person and it isn’t so bad, but do it to this other person and you hang
By Mara
October 9, 2006 01:23 PM | Link to this
maybe so, Jack. But this happened before “date rape” was considered “rape”. Sordid details aside, I did go to his house willingly. I had been intimate with him on previous occasions (Ex-BF) and I showed no apparent physical signs of rape (no bruising, contusions, etc). In Small Town, Nowhere circa 1988…that means it was “misunderstanding”. You know…when “No” really means “Yes”?
By Toad
October 9, 2006 01:26 PM | Link to this
Hate crime laws aren’t about who is the victim, but the reason for the assault. Example: a white person attacks a black person for no reason and is charged with assault. A white person attacks a black person while yelling racial insults and is charged with a hate crime. The special classification of hate crimes singles out crimes committed because of hatred of what the victim represents.
By Lawyer/Healer
October 9, 2006 01:29 PM | Link to this
Will you ladies forgive me for “pushing your buttons” a little with the creepy talk previously here on W2W?
From my soul, I fear for some of you, and it’s not because I’m an attacker. I fear for you because some of you INVITE DANGER by holding unrealistic views regarding men.
None of my sisters has ever been assaulted, and I feel sorry for the SOB that tries.
By Lawyer/Healer
October 9, 2006 01:34 PM | Link to this
Susie, Glad you liked the “Julia” comparison. It was one of my favorite shows in the late 60s. You remind me of her due to your open attitude and respectful ways.
It was painful for me to have to pick “Sleeping With the Enemy” for kimberly, however. I pray for her safety.
I think my frustration at this point in life is realizing how little some folks seem willing to take responsibility for their own lives and avoid all the unhealthy stuff. I guess that’s why almost all healthe care workers burn out at some point.
By kimberly
October 9, 2006 01:34 PM | Link to this
Ladies, any comment you make on this sensitive, personal subject might well be extracted by the Mongrel in one of his downloaded archive text searches, and used to manipulate you or push your buttons at a later date. This is an obvious issue; discussing is pointless. People either think it’s a bad thing, or they think you, in some way, are to blame for what happened.
By Lawyer/Healer/Movie Buff
October 9, 2006 01:37 PM | Link to this
To be honest, kimberly, I couldn’t make it through Schindler’s List, and I’m a pretty tough guy,. I had to leave the theatre.
By Just Being Me
October 9, 2006 01:38 PM | Link to this
What about “hate” crimes? A dirty deed is a dirty deed no matter who the victim is. How bout affimative action for a crime? Yeah. You can do it to this person and it isn’t so bad, but do it to this other person and you hang
Hate crime legislation isn’t about who you committed a crime against, it’s about why you committed the crime. So, beating up a man with a broken beer bottle isn’t worse if that man is Middle Eastern; it’s worse if you beat him up because he’s Middle Eastern.
Mara, Lozen… I guess we make 3 out of 7, thus far.
By Lawyer/Healer/Movie Buff
October 9, 2006 01:39 PM | Link to this
Toad, You’re brain dead for supporting hate crimes legislations. Yelling ugly words is not a crime. Assaulting someone is. Big difference.
Why you can’t see that making certain words ILLEGAL is insane is beyond my limited intellect.
By Jack
October 9, 2006 01:43 PM | Link to this
My wife was assaulted before I knew her. She refuses to tell me his name. If I ever get it out of her, I will visit him and he will know exactly why he no longer can walk. Her scars are deep. His should be deeper. yes I know revenge is wrong. What he did was wrong and he may not even remember. I would love to remind him.
By Lawyer/Healer/Movie Buff
October 9, 2006 01:46 PM | Link to this
And BC, I agree completely that we should seek the causes of rape and treat the causes rather than the symptoms, as all good chiropractors do. So how are you making out finding the cause for rape looking in your microscope?? I’m sure some of my CASH may have wound up in your pocket for some bogus “study” about it.
If you will read my earlier post, the answer to this question can only be found in the realm of GOD’S LOVE. But because you can’t see GOD, you will never understand what GOD’S LOVE actually is.
By Just Being Me
October 9, 2006 01:47 PM | Link to this
What he did was wrong and he may not even remember
I happen to believe that unless it’s a significantly violent event, the attacker never remembers. That sucks hard.
By chuck
October 9, 2006 01:47 PM | Link to this
Don’t you people ever watch Bugs Bunny?
By Lawyer/Healer/Movie Buff
October 9, 2006 01:48 PM | Link to this
Yes Chilao, simple minds need simple labels for everybody and everything!
Does that include labeling someone a troll, lozen, so that you can simply ignore the content of someone’s posts with whom you disagree?
By Lawyer/Healer/Movie Buff
October 9, 2006 01:50 PM | Link to this
JBM—Who is the arbiter of what MOTIVATED a hate crime?? Tell me what crime isn’t motivated by hate?????
Oh that’s right, the crimes which YOU PERSONALLY commit aren’t based on hate, right?? Back to that good intentions thing.
By Betty
October 9, 2006 01:54 PM | Link to this
Lozen: Why do females who are sexually abused as children not grow up (in general) to commit similar crimes against other children while males do?
Because women (instead of doing violence against an unknown opponent) commit violence against their children or themselves. Self-abuse is a more common a reaction in women who have been victims of violence than men.
So theoretically, between Kimberly, Mara, Susie, Lozen, Renee, Betty, and I, at least two of us have been or will be sexually assaulted in our lifetime.
Should that leave: Jack, Chilao, Toad, Chuck and Brian free from worry? Men stand more risk of dying from sexual &/or violent crimes than women.
By Your Chiropractor
October 9, 2006 01:58 PM | Link to this
I’m not sure how others use GOD’S LOVE kimberly, but I have been a hollow reed for GOD to work through me for more than 25 years. If your chiropractor REALLY was good, he would have clearly explained that it was GOD who took away your pain, not the chiropractor. As soon as someone tries to give me credit for healing, I fire them as a patient.
By Your Chiropractor
October 9, 2006 02:00 PM | Link to this
The truth that I’ve discovered is that a lot of us have taken beatings we didn’t deserve. Personally, I had my faced smashed in as a child one too many times. My Dad was 6’ 4” and mean.
By Your Chiropractor
October 9, 2006 02:04 PM | Link to this
Jack, you are a great man to love your woman the way you do. I can only aspire to your level of loving.
Personally, I have a hard time staying with precviously abused women. I guess it opens up a few old scars on myself and I get uncomfortable.
By Chilao
October 9, 2006 02:06 PM | Link to this
Don’t you people ever watch Bugs Bunny?
so that is where that is from…. That polluter of young minds with silliness, the cartoons? Nope, never have, but know who he is. LOL (we never had TV in the house as a kid, we learned to READ).
By Your Chiropractor
October 9, 2006 02:10 PM | Link to this
Here’s the prayer I had hanging in my office until I retired last year. It’s from the Bahaia faith:
O GOD! Make me a hollw reed, from which the pith of self hath been blown, so that I may become a clear channel through wihcih Thy Love may flow to others. I hav eleft behind me impatience and discontent. I will chafe no more at my lot. I commit myself wholly in Thy hands, for thou art my Guide in the desert, the Teacher of my ignorance, the Physician of my sickness.
Pretty hard to do, but a good goal to shoot for.
By Your Chiropractor
October 9, 2006 02:12 PM | Link to this
But I thank my pop for smashing my face in now, even though I didn’t feel like I deserved it. You know my eyes weren’t dry when Robin Williams told Matt Damon that it wasn’t his fault. No one had ever told me that before.
By Toad
October 9, 2006 02:14 PM | Link to this
Betty, Toad’s a woman. See my earlier post about my narrow escape from rape.
By Your Chiropractor
October 9, 2006 02:16 PM | Link to this
If you ever bother to check, most of the good people in health care were signifacantly abused themselves at some point in their life. We find that helping others to heal is gratifying, even if we never become whole ourselves.
By Toad
October 9, 2006 02:16 PM | Link to this
Chilao, no wonder I like you insightful comments — you’re a reader!
By Your Chiropractor
October 9, 2006 02:20 PM | Link to this
So maybe I’m biased, but I personally think child abuse is worse than adult abuse. When you’re a little kid, you have to go home at some point just to get your faced smashed in some more, you can’t leave.
By Mara
October 9, 2006 02:22 PM | Link to this
Betty, it’s borderline dishonest to use the “and/or” connective between “sexual crimes” and “violent crimes”. Do more men die during sexual assault than women? I really, really doubt your findings. From violent crime? Probably so. By adding death from other violent crime to death from sexual assault, you make it sound like sexual assault is more often inflicted on men than women. A statistic that I’d vehemently dispute.
By Jack
October 9, 2006 02:24 PM | Link to this
Yeah. I think they would have to kill me first Betty.
By Mara
October 9, 2006 02:26 PM | Link to this
kimberly - Ladies, any comment you make on this sensitive, personal subject might well be extracted by the Mongrel in one of his downloaded archive text searches, and used to manipulate you or push your buttons at a later date
taken out of context and used…as he’s well known to do.
Thanks for the reminder. No more personal anecdotes.
By chuck
October 9, 2006 02:28 PM | Link to this
Lozen, we were ONCE a much more moral country than we are now. 40 years of the “anything goes” liberal control finished off any semblance of that “Not perfect, but so much better” time. Republicans have tried for some time to try to get back some of the sanity of those times. 3 strikes laws, anti-pornography laws etc., but we’ve gone if not past the tipping point, right up to it. Now we’ve got Republicans doing what used to be more in the realm of the dems…sexual predators. What the heck is the world coming to?
In the 60’s we used to put rapists to death or give them life in prison. Now it’s just a slap on the wrist. That’s what the “sexual revolution” got us. The 60’s brought on the “if it feels good do it” attitude. Some people, men and women, have taken that to mean that they can do anything they want to do. We’ve got to get back some of the equilibrium in this area or we are going to have really serious problems.
By Toad
October 9, 2006 02:36 PM | Link to this
Part of the problem with the 3 strikes law is that drug offenders are locked away and sexual predators are being let out. It is a travesty that prisons are full of drug users. Violent criminals are the ones that should be incarcerated for the protection of society. I know that drug offenders may commit violent crimes, but I’m talking about conviction just for drug law violations.
By Your Chiropractor
October 9, 2006 02:37 PM | Link to this
Mara, the only reason I brought the thong thing back for you to see was to frighten you a little. If you were MY wife, I wuoldn’t want you discussing your underwear on the board. I realize now that it wasn’t my place to do so, but I hope you can forgive me. If it makes you a little more careful in the future, then I view that as a good thing.
Don’t forget, I didn’t grow up in a small town. I was near the heart of insanity, Camden, NJ. Check out the crime stats for Camden. Usually it’s #1 in the nation for violent crimes. I know hundreds of people who were assaulted growing up. Many by their own parents.
By kimberly
October 9, 2006 02:39 PM | Link to this
Thanks for pointing that out, Chuck. When a sexually-repressed, angry, control-freak “conservative” rapes and brutilizes a woman today, it’s really the fault of some easy-going liberals who engaged in mutually consensual sex some time last year. Way to connect those dots, Sparky!
By Jack
October 9, 2006 02:39 PM | Link to this
Toad. With that moniker I thought you were male also. Why not change it to Swan?
By lozen
October 9, 2006 02:41 PM | Link to this
JBM, that’s three out of seven - so far. Jack, I understand how you feel. Mara, one of my experiences was similar. Front seat of the car…I liked to kiss and snuggle at 14 as much as anybody, but wasn’t ready for the deed. Yes, I was naive! He decided he would do it anyway. I started screaming and it worked…. scared him enough that he took me home. That was a year before my employer lured me to his office on the pretext of helping work out a problem and grabbed me. And when I told my mother she said, “What did you do that made him think he could do that?” I remember wondering why she would not confront him and tell him to leave me alone but instead blame me! What a blow. I never forgave her for that. That was many years before another employer, old enough to be my grandfather, tried to fondle me in his office when I was crying and upset about my divorce.
Chilao, READ? What a concept!
By Your Chiropractor
October 9, 2006 02:44 PM | Link to this
And same for you, kimberly. I hope that you will go back and read your own words sometime for clues about why you keep getting in trouble with men. It’s no mistake that you keep ending up with a “mongrel on your leg”. That’s what you want, so that’s what you keep getting. No surprise to me that you actually BOUGHT a pit bull to keep around.
So forgive me if I laugh at your stalker analysis of me. I own bunny rabbits, not pit bulls.
By Scalia
October 9, 2006 02:44 PM | Link to this
But Chuck, you aren’t looking at the whole picture. During those wonderful times, people were still getting raped, etc. they just knew not to talk about it. Those were the times when “unpleasant things” weren’t talked about, and just swept under the rug.
By lozen
October 9, 2006 02:47 PM | Link to this
Lozen, we were ONCE a much more moral country than we are now. Yeah, yeah, yeah! Exactly when was that Chuck? The things that happened to me as a teen happened in the 50’s! The only difference between then and now is that now women are free to engage in consensual sex without being married, getting pregnant, etc. I do not remember rapists ever being put to death or getting life in prison. How old are you anyway that you believe in that, “America waa a moral country back in the good ole days?” Laws in this country were never written by or for females or children!
By Mara
October 9, 2006 02:47 PM | Link to this
chuck - were we a more “moral” country 40 years ago, or was it merely not talked about in “polite” company? Just as the “good ol’ days” weren’t really as cotton-candy sweet as they’re usually portrayed, I have to say that just because things like domestic violence of all types, incest, prostitution, alchoholism, drug abuse, abortion, infidelity, pederasty, child rape, and homosexuality weren’t talked about or acknowleged doesn’t mean that they didn’t exist, you know.
And I’d really be interested in what studies support your claim that Democrats are, historically, the party of pedophilia and rape. Really, I would.
By Your Chiropractor
October 9, 2006 02:47 PM | Link to this
Jack, you know a little about Camden don’t you?? I don’t remember a lot of Philly boys hanging with me over on Admiral Wilson Blvd. A little too rough for you “softies” if I recall.
By 2D
October 9, 2006 02:48 PM | Link to this
Chuck…
Three strikes laws have nothing to do with an “anything goes” or a “if it feels good do it” attitude. It has more to do with the notion that people can make mistakes, learn from them and not do them again. Now, whether or not that model works with sexual predators is a whole different topic.
If you want to reason particular outcomes with the previously mentioned attitudes, you can list things like abortion on demand, the rise in “domestic partners” whether or not they are same sex relationships, children born out of wedlock, the increase and prevelence in STDs, increase in corporate greed and the widening gap of rich and poor.
The list goes on beyond what I can state but I am sure others can add to it.
By lozen
October 9, 2006 02:50 PM | Link to this
Scalia, I have a new respect for you after your 2:44 post. You are so right! My mother was raped by her cousin in the 30s for god’s sake. My grandmother was pregnant at 16 when she married my grandfather who was 33! Jeez, how can you ppl (like Chuck) rewrite history like you do?
By lozen
October 9, 2006 02:51 PM | Link to this
Kimberly, with your usual intelligence and wit you pulvarize Chuck and his fantasy of what is going on here!
By Bunny
October 9, 2006 02:52 PM | Link to this
And so you all will know, Sweetie’s leg is finally healing well. I don’t have to corner her in her cage to give her antibiotic shots any longer. It killed me to have to break her trust that way, but it was necessary for her long-term health.
BTW, my male bunny is named Boo-Boo. Boo-Boo and Sweetie. Are you all still sure of what a mean guy I am?
By The toad who became a swan
October 9, 2006 02:53 PM | Link to this
Toad. With that moniker I thought you were male also. Why not change it to Swan? Toad is short for toad lily, an exotic flower now blooming in my front yard.
By Jack
October 9, 2006 02:53 PM | Link to this
Hi Hon. :)
By kimberly
October 9, 2006 02:57 PM | Link to this
Mongrel, your pretense of caring fools no one. I got my dog from a rescue organization — the sweetest, most loyal little protector a family could want! Nice short hair saves on the vacuuming, too. I encourage anyone who wants a pet, please rescue!
By Mara
October 9, 2006 02:57 PM | Link to this
Did you hear that, kimberly? It’s yer own fault you got a dog umpin’ yer leg. Cuz you want it…don’t you?! Sure ya do. >:^P
By Bunny
October 9, 2006 02:59 PM | Link to this
Not sure why, but I just had to put on Quadrophenia by the Who. First, “Dr. Jimmy” (Is it me for a moment?? The amazing drumming by Keith Moon gives me GOOSEBUMPS EVERY TIME).
Then , of course, “Love Reign O’er Me”.
By chuck
October 9, 2006 03:04 PM | Link to this
I hope this doesn’t offend anybody ELSE, but DOG, I almost split a gut last week when you revealed you were a retired CHIROPRACTOR. All this time you have been trying to pass yourself off as a DOCTOR when you are just a glorified massage therapist. Most (no not all) chiropractors I read about are either scam artists or sexual predators. Which are you? I’m guessing the former.
By Bunny
October 9, 2006 03:04 PM | Link to this
Yeah, Keith’s playing those amazing drums right now!!!! And Roger Daltrey’s screaming “Is it me for a moment? The stars are falling, the heat is rising, the past is calling!”
By Bunny
October 9, 2006 03:08 PM | Link to this
I got my male bunny right from the street, kimberly. Some jackass bought him as an Easter “present” for their spoiled brat, then threw him out when he wasn’t “convenient” any more. I got my female from The House Rabbit Society, of which I am a proud member. Pity the fool who harms a bunny!!
By Your Chiropractor/Bunny
October 9, 2006 03:10 PM | Link to this
There are many ways of expressing caring, kimberly. Sometimes a slap can be a good thing if it wakes us up to reality.
By Chilao
October 9, 2006 03:14 PM | Link to this
increase in corporate greed
and we KNOW that is a Democratic Party thing. SNORT.
too good not to share:(mildly paraphrasing, going from memory)
75 percent of Democrats think Hillary (Clinton) should run for President, but only 50 percent of Democrats think she could win. Which is just more of the Democrats shooting themselves in the foot.
Marueen Dowd/NYT on yesterday’s The Chris Matthews Show.
By Toad
October 9, 2006 03:15 PM | Link to this
Licensed chiropractors are Doctors of Chiropractic. Chuck, you are misinformed and can educate yourself about chiropractic is you want to.
By Your Chiropractor/Bunny
October 9, 2006 03:16 PM | Link to this
Well, chuck, I was waiting for either you or BC to start criticizing chiropractic care. I knew that would be the key to winning over lozen and kimberly to my viewpoint. FYI, I was a cash practitioner who never made appointments. That means, people saw me due to their own volition, no insurance money involved. I agree that there are many, many scam artists within the chiropractic profession, but tell me one profession that isn’t full of crooks.
Nope, I don’t know any ministers or deacons who are crooks and have affairs with the church secretaries, do you?
By Your Chiropractor/Bunny
October 9, 2006 03:17 PM | Link to this
I’ve been baiting you and teasing you for 7 weeks by only saying “retired doctor”, which BTW is TECHNICALLY CORRECT since chiropractors are legally defined to be doctors.
By Jack
October 9, 2006 03:18 PM | Link to this
If it wasn’t for lawyers most chiropractors would be out of business.
By Your Chiropractor/Bunny
October 9, 2006 03:23 PM | Link to this
Because like I said, chuck, you are a F-ing idiot just like BC. You keep selling your fake miracles in Sunday School every week when I have been an instrument for GOD’s miracles for 25 years. Lozen and kimberly know.
I’ll stack my brain power against any of you idiots here. The problem for you, chuck, is that your UNMITIGATED ARROGANCE will never allow you to see the truth. Type in www.hmc.edu for details. When I left HMC, I had a 3.8 GPA. I can still quote math theorems you never even heard of.
Here’s one: Every finite, non-zero inner product space has an orthonormal basis. Since you’re so much smarter than me, explain that one for everyone. I proved that I knew more about the Bible than you, and I’m not even a Christian.
By Your Chiropractor/Bunny
October 9, 2006 03:25 PM | Link to this
Well, Jack and chuck, I’m sorry that you guys only met the crooks, then. Also, I was known as the “chiropractor’s chiropractor” in my day. Doctors would send my folks my way after THEY HAD GIVEN UP.
By chuck
October 9, 2006 03:26 PM | Link to this
Lozen, Mara, we were a more moral country. I did not say that those things didn’t happen, but I gaurantee you they didn’t happen with the frequency that they happen today. In addition while many of these events were not “reported” in those days, there were other ways of dealing with people who crossed that line than just the courts. My Dad told me about his sister coming home upset from a date one night as a seventeen year old. Her date had touched her inappropriately. She had put a stop to it, but my Dad and his 5 brothers made sure that guy didn’t cross the line again. No they didn’t kill him, they just taught him some manners.
That was back when people understood that there were consequences for poor behavior.
2D, 3 strikes comes EXACTLY from that attitude of the 60’s of anything goes. While the dems were in control, beginning with FDR and stretching though Clinton, Liberal judges across the country began saying, “It’s just sex.” They stopped giving out harsh sentences to these violent criminals. 3 strikes takes it out of the hands of those judges by requiring a life without parole sentence for 3 time felons. I personally think it ought to be 2 strikes like it is in some states.
As for your list, all of those things came out of those attitudes as well. We have devalued life to that point. Nothing shocks us anymore. There is no shame anymore. I’m worried about where this can take us as a nation.
BTW, I think we ought to hold our elected leaders to a MUCH HIGHER standard. I’m glad the Republicans ousted Foley immediately after these things came to light. They probably should have done it earlier, but at least it wasn’t as bad as the dems when they kept Studs in office for 10 years after he had sex with a minor. They would not even allow him to be censured. I think that is a basic difference between the 2 parties. The dems look for a way to excuse the behavior of THEIR elected officials while the reps. USUALLY do the right thing. For example Bob Livingston had an affair with an ADULT. He resigned from office and tried to make things right with his wife. Newt resigned also after his divorce. He knew he could not lead the house as a philanderer. I think that’s a good thing.
By Your Chiropractor/Bunny
October 9, 2006 03:28 PM | Link to this
Now, if BC wants to open his uninformed mouth about chiropractic, I can give him the neurological explanation of why chiro care works. If you would like that discussion, BC, please do me a favor and start studying up on proprioceptor nerve pathways, and nociceptors. You probably didn’t know that it was recently discovered that nearly 60% of our cerebral cortex is devoted to monitoring the disposition of all the joints in our bodies.
By Jack
October 9, 2006 03:32 PM | Link to this
“Don’t forget me Martha my love”
By Your Chiropractor/Bunny
October 9, 2006 03:34 PM | Link to this
But, for something simpler, BC, why don’t you just explain the placebo effect for everyone here. You can’t deny the placebo effect, it has been documented in hundreds of thousands of drug trials.
By Chilao
October 9, 2006 03:40 PM | Link to this
The Placebo Effect merely demonstrates the Power of Suggestion and even more accurately, Perception is Reality.
By Your Chiropractor/Bunny
October 9, 2006 03:40 PM | Link to this
You guys want to know how smart my cortex is? I have actually found a FLAW with Godel’s Incompleteness Theorem, in which Mr. Godel quietly changed “cardinal numbers” into “ordinal numbers” right in the middle of his brilliant arguments about self-referential statements (which is the nature of consciousness itself). I haven’t publicized my finding, only because his work is not yet understood and embraced by the Math and Science community, and I don’t want to rock the boat too early.
By Your Chiropractor/Bunny
October 9, 2006 03:41 PM | Link to this
So, if you want to hang with me, BC and chuck, you better start studying. I think you’re about thirty years behind, at least.
By Your Chiropractor/Bunny
October 9, 2006 03:43 PM | Link to this
But believe what you want. I’ve had as clients many, many big names here in Atlanta, including folks who have 100s of millions of dollars in the bank, many pro athletes, etc. Believe what you want, but it may not correlate well with the facts.
By Brian Curtis
October 9, 2006 03:45 PM | Link to this
I wonder if we’re comparing apples and oranges here. Perhaps sexual abuse toward adult women has little relation to sexual abuse of children. I’ve often heard it said that “rape is a crime of violence,” yet child molestation seems inextricably linked to sexual attraction to children. That doesn’t match.
And if they have two different underlying causes, should they be addressed separately, rather than lumped together? The outcomes may be the same, but the causes (and therefore, appropriate responses) may be very different.
By Your Chiropractor/Bunny
October 9, 2006 03:45 PM | Link to this
Also, kimberly, I hope you reread my comments about Effexor more clearly. I am NOT RECOMMENDING IT. I merely said, IF someone wants to try that poison, Effexor is less harmful thatn paxil and prozac. I don’t tell my patients what to do, I believe in free choice all the way.
By Your Chiropractor/Bunny
October 9, 2006 03:48 PM | Link to this
Chilao, how can documented physical changes occur by using placebos? Where does healing come from????? Medical doctors claim it is the MEDICINE which does the healing.
By Chilao
October 9, 2006 03:51 PM | Link to this
And since everyone’s Perception is Reality plane is different, with a Earth population of 6 BILLION, right here on Earth, you have potentially 6 Billion reality planes. Now that is some BIG MATH. BIG MATH. LOL
anybody see the movie Slackers? The guy leaving the train station in Austin in the taxicab?. Now, dat’s what Ize talkin’ about. Exponentially even. Even BIGGER math. All the alternative realities he could have engaged in.
By Your Chiropractor/Bunny
October 9, 2006 04:01 PM | Link to this
Chilao, if you want to consider an even bigger math problem, consider that our nervous system contains TRILLIONS of nerve cells, many of which have up to a hundred connections with other neurons. I don’t know if you are familiar with the branch of Mathematics known as combinatorics, but trust me, the number of interconnections and possible neural networks is beyond any computer invented so far.
By Chilao
October 9, 2006 04:02 PM | Link to this
The movie is SLACKER(no pluralized S); there was another movie Slackers.
By Your Chiropractor/Bunny
October 9, 2006 04:04 PM | Link to this
I guess one of the main things I am grateful for in life is my choice to become a chiropractor. As a young man, I had some big money offers to do other things, but I don’t believe I would have grown as much as I have by turning my back on the money and seeking the truth instead. In my experience, they are mutually exclusive activities.
By Jack
October 9, 2006 04:05 PM | Link to this
Ever read “Doors of Perception” by Huxley? Good read.
By Your Chiropractor/Bunny
October 9, 2006 04:15 PM | Link to this
Last thought for today—if any of you think that chiropractors are dishonest as a group, how many ministers do you know on a personal basis?? Having treated hundreds, maybe even a thousand of them over the years, I’m here to say that ministers are generally much less honest than your average chiropractor. For proof, I will wager a good bit of money that chuck has some kind of title at his church, whether deacon or some kind of youth minister.
Care to fess up about that, chuck??
By Vizzini
October 9, 2006 04:18 PM | Link to this
And you all thought that I was kidding when I said that Plato and Aristotle were morons. ; > ]
By Chilao
October 9, 2006 04:20 PM | Link to this
Wow, that is BigBigBigBigEvenBigger Math. (Isn’t trillions bigger then billions?) It’s hari-kari time for me this evening, that’s for sure.
By Chilao
October 9, 2006 04:20 PM | Link to this
with the rubber knife; I’ll feel much better later. LMAO
By Movie Buff
October 9, 2006 04:22 PM | Link to this
Slacker was okay in my opinion, Chilao, couldn’t get into all the BS philosophy, however. The best part of the film was the soundtrack by the B-hole Surfers.
By Chilao
October 9, 2006 04:28 PM | Link to this
I only remember the wacko train-station/taxi scene, the rest quite forgettable.
By AJC Customer Service
October 9, 2006 04:28 PM | Link to this
Mara, kimberly, if you are ever concerned about a post you made which you don’t want displayed permanently on the board, just write to the nice folks at the AJC and they will remove the post for you if you can provide a good reason. DOG already did that once when he accidentally gave out a phone number of a friend.
By AJC Customer Service
October 9, 2006 04:29 PM | Link to this
We hate DOG here at the AJC as well, but he actually does have your best interests at heart. Write to us and we will remove any posts about which you are concerned.
By 2D
October 9, 2006 04:31 PM | Link to this
Chuck… How can three strikes come from an attitude of “anything goes”?
Three strikes implies that the action is wrong (the level of “wrongness” can be debated) and that subsequent instances of the action requires increased punishment levels up to the third and final instance which would carry the ultimate penalty. The attitude of “anything goes” implies the action is not wrong and would therefore not require a punishment.
How can you apply three strike mentality to an action deemed not worthy of punishment?
By AJC Customer Service
October 9, 2006 04:32 PM | Link to this
Of course, DOG is one of our most published letter writers here at the AJC. His print rate is still more than 80%, a record for our newspaper.
By AJC Customer Service
October 9, 2006 04:40 PM | Link to this
So please contact us, Mara and kimberly. There are a lot of wierd people in the world, some who even have eidetic memories who don’t need a computer to “store information”. If you left any posts here made in the “heat of the moment”, we are very understanding and will remove them.
We know that DOG is harmless becasue he barks so much. DOGS who are out to hurt you don’t give you any warnings, they just hurt you.
By AJC Customer Service
October 9, 2006 04:44 PM | Link to this
We actually hope to do an expose of how crooked church deacons can be, one day. We plan to feature chuck.
By Just Being Me
October 9, 2006 04:46 PM | Link to this
JBM—Who is the arbiter of what MOTIVATED a hate crime?? Tell me what crime isn’t motivated by hate?????
Not all crimes, even violent crimes, are motivated by hatred.
I don’t hate my ex, but I sure could’ve killed her not long ago. Never hated her for a minute…
By Chilao
October 9, 2006 04:49 PM | Link to this
Dogs bark because they fear something. And they are smart enough to keep quiet before they attack.
By AJC Customer Service
October 9, 2006 04:52 PM | Link to this
P.S. Do you remember the “Camden Buzzsaw”, Jack, Dwight Braxton? A lot of people feel that old Qawi actually beat Evander Holyfield in their epic match way back when for the light-heavyweight title. Guys from Camden are pretty tough. They win because they’re not worried about what you’re throwing, they make you worried about what they’re throwing. The best defense is often a good offense. Qawi was actually from Lindenwold, right near where I grew up.
If women under attack could only pull out a “Buzzsaw” defense, I believe few would actually be raped.
By AJC Customer Service
October 9, 2006 04:54 PM | Link to this
So, if a DOG keeps barking, they’re not attacking, right Chilao? Although you would think that some of the ladies might figure that out by now.
By AJC Customer Service
October 9, 2006 04:57 PM | Link to this
Believe me ladies, I was not the biggest guy in my neighborhood. When that day of truth arrives when you have to fight, remember to think like a guy. No guy wants to rape another guy. You just have to put a good fight most of the time. If the rapist is out to kill you, he’s already got that in his mind. Fighting helps, despite what any idiot Libs try to tell you.
By Chilao
October 9, 2006 04:59 PM | Link to this
No, Dogs come up and try to give the appearance of being all chummy chummy, before they attack. LOL
and then go eat out of the neighbor’s broken septic system.
By AJC Customer Service
October 9, 2006 05:00 PM | Link to this
See you all Wednesday.
By Jack
October 9, 2006 05:00 PM | Link to this
All bark, no bite.
By SusieHomeMaker
October 9, 2006 05:23 PM | Link to this
Betty — Self-abuse is a more common a reaction in women who have been victims of violence than men.
So true. I was once stupid enough to think I could be a social worker, like my godmother, but before I committed 4 years in the pursuit of that profession she, (godmother), got me a job in a women’s half-way house.
The majority of the women there had some sort of history of sexual abuse as a child. All of them were trying to reintegrate into society from prison/jail and most of them went right back to drugs, prostitution to buy drugs, manipulative abusive men who used them to prostitue to give them money and buy themselves drugs, etc. And no matter what type of counseling they received, if there were 10 women in the room, 7 of them was lost on the merry go round of self destruction.
By TramadoL38382
October 10, 2006 12:21 AM | Link to this
I’ve just been staying at home not getting anything done. I’ve basically been doing nothing worth mentioning. My life’s been pretty unremarkable these days. Eh.
By TramadoL48432
October 10, 2006 03:12 AM | Link to this
My life’s been pretty dull recently. Shrug. My mind is like a void. I haven’t gotten anything done lately. I can’t be bothered with anything recently.
By sad
October 10, 2006 05:55 AM | Link to this
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By Renee
October 10, 2006 08:24 AM | Link to this
Brian - I really like your 3:45 comment yesterday. Very interesting perspective, and I would be inclined to agree.
By TramadoL14191
October 10, 2006 08:26 AM | Link to this
Not much on my mind right now, but it’s not important. I’ve just been letting everything happen without me. I just don’t have anything to say right now.
By Why
October 10, 2006 08:37 AM | Link to this
I don’t know the exact statistics, but I believe a very high percentage af abusers were abused themselves, often severely. We don’t need any more “studies” to figure this out. The purpose of criminal prosecution is to PROTECT THE PUBLIC FROM FURTHER HARM. UNDERSTANDING THE CRIMINAL’S MOTIVATIONS IS SECONDARY TO PROTECTING THE PUBLIC.
By Brian Curtis
October 10, 2006 08:41 AM | Link to this
Another point: If rape of adults is truly an act of violence, rather than sex, why are the male/female numbers so skewed? While overall domestic violence rates are much closer to evenly distributed, sexual abuse numbers are almost 90% male (as perpetrator).
This doesn’t jibe with the notion that adult rape is a purely violence-driven act. If it were, then a larger percentage of perpetrators would be women, as they are in child-abuse cases.
By Why
October 10, 2006 08:41 AM | Link to this
Unfortunately, I am less optimistic that some “Scientific” study is going to “solve” the problem than BC might be. Human nature is what it is. Humans have a violent tendency, especially men, and women are attractants for attention. Put the two together and you’re going to have trouble sometimes. I’m not supporting or condoning such trouble, but just trying to be realistic.
By Mara
October 10, 2006 08:47 AM | Link to this
Chuck - I did not say that those things didn’t happen, but I gaurantee you they didn’t happen with the frequency that they happen today. In addition while many of these events were not “reported” in those days, there were other ways of dealing with people who crossed that line than just the courts
ah, you guarantee that it wasn’t as prevalent, do you? And just exactly how are you going to do that? Do you actually know that these things were less common or are you once again merely stating opinion and insisting that it is indeed a fact?
I’m guessing that you are just following your nature.
2D - good call at 4:31
Renee - I’m right there with ya regarding Brians 3:45
By Why
October 10, 2006 08:47 AM | Link to this
And once again, the word “punishment” is somewhat ambiguous, and includes both criminal prosecution (the State) and civil prosecution (individual compensation for the crime). I believe many bloggers here keep confusing the two.
By Why
October 10, 2006 08:50 AM | Link to this
BC, HOW IN THE HELL CAN A WOMAN RAPE A MAN?? ARE YOU SURE YOU HAVE ANY INTELLIGENCE AT ALL???
Stick your head out of that lab once in a while, BC, and get a handle on reality. Reality and theory are two very different things.
By Why
October 10, 2006 08:52 AM | Link to this
I’m serious, BC—For all of my CASH you keep carting home in the name of “Science”, I would think you would have a better grip on reality.
By Why
October 10, 2006 08:54 AM | Link to this
So, ladies, if you ever are attacked, FIGHT LIKE HELL. IT WORKS.
By Why
October 10, 2006 09:01 AM | Link to this
Final thought for today—The Mennonites don’t believe in violence, so they use the practices of shunning and banishment instead of violent “punishments”. I vote for banishment of violent criminals in a way that doesn’t cost the public so much. I vote for Montana.
By Why
October 10, 2006 09:07 AM | Link to this
BC, remember, intelligence is not only the ability to gather pertinent facts, but to sort them out in order of IMPORTANCE. You seem to be good at the former, and lousy at the latter, like most liberals I know.
By MontanaNative
October 10, 2006 09:09 AM | Link to this
Don’t be sending all your pervs to our BigSkyCountry.
Try New Jersey. It’s already a cesspool.
By Why
October 10, 2006 09:11 AM | Link to this
Strange question for the ladies==Why did Ted Bundy have an actual fan club even AFTER he was convicted of assault and murder????
Even I can’t figure that one out.
By Why
October 10, 2006 09:14 AM | Link to this
I agree, MontanaNative about New Jersey—and I should know.
By Why
October 10, 2006 09:15 AM | Link to this
That’s WHY NJ is a good place to be FROM.
By Mara
October 10, 2006 09:17 AM | Link to this
MontanaNative - Western half or eastern half?
By Betty
October 10, 2006 09:41 AM | Link to this
Chuck, how much I agree with you! America had decency and pride not just in its country but also in its moral values! There was no vague area concerning criminal behavior. We were raised in families where there was morality, our parents were strict with rules, curfews and more than anything we as a family did things together AS a family. My mother enjoyed and honored her role as mother just as much as my father enjoyed his parental responsibility—no embellishments needed. We had our close neighborhood of friends, our church and followed passed-down traditions of living an honorable life. The splintering of the American family was caused more by people trying to have popular sex than any other breakdown or cause. The 70s wave of liberations brought waves of anti-cultural changes that morally decayed not just the American traditions but the family unit. The 80s brought sexual corruption unprecedented by its vulgarity and further withering the family and morals by artists like Maplethorpe/Madonna brought sleaze and sexual degeneracy into popularity compounded with a President and first lady who had zero morals except to entrench their own wealth and popularity. The 90s brought the rising surge of thug and prison culture that came out of slums, broken homes and gangs who believe incarceration is the step to becoming a man. The subcultures of both homosexuality and violence slid this once proud nation into the sewer! Promiscuity is socially acceptable for adolescents and pity the children who must grow accepting homosexuals and pedophiles or sex addicts as neighbors! No matter how much Americans pretend we are safe, men like Fowley can reach our sons, men like Clinton reach our daughters as they serve as pages in Washington, members of clergy have been charged with preying on children leaving no safe place for them who need it most. Stand strong in faith against this tide of popular corruption knowing you are not the only one in the storm. God’s wisdom is our guide and light in the darkness.
By TramadoL29305
October 10, 2006 09:45 AM | Link to this
My life’s been basically bland today. More or less nothing seems worth thinking about. My mind is like an empty room. I’ve more or less been doing nothing to speak of. Not much on my mind recently.
By Brian Curtis
October 10, 2006 09:51 AM | Link to this
I knew it! I just knew that Foley’s pursuit of underage boys had to be Clinton’s fault somehow. Thanks for clearing that up, Betty.
By Revisionist
October 10, 2006 09:52 AM | Link to this
Since we seem to want to go back to the GoodOleDays, anybody got a 13 y/o girl they want to marry off? Pretty common not that long ago. I’ll see that she has two kids by the time she is 16.
By TramadoL32168
October 10, 2006 10:03 AM | Link to this
My mind is like a bunch of nothing, but I guess it doesn’t bother me. I haven’t been up to anything recently. I’ve pretty much been doing nothing to speak of.
By Renee
October 10, 2006 10:06 AM | Link to this
How nauseating Betty. ~gagging uncontrollably~
Good question revisionist!!
By Mara
October 10, 2006 10:13 AM | Link to this
Betty - The 80s brought…a President and first lady who had zero morals except to entrench their own wealth and popularity
which ‘80’s president and first lady are you refering to, Blessed Saint Ronnie and wife Nancy or the Most Holy George H. W. Bush and Babs?
Now I agree with you regardless of which pair you’re refering to, but I have to say, I’m quite surprised that someone who holds such obviously conservative views would break Saint Ronnie’s 11th Commandment and speak ill of a fellow Republican.
I’d also like to point out that the rebels who launched the sexual revolution were raised by those very same oh-so-moral (though fictional) Ward-and-June wannabe’s that you are so starry-eyed over. If they were the moral paragons you make them out to be, how in the world did they screw up so badly as parents?
IMO it was the advent of the birth-control pill which changed society. It had nothing to do with ones politics. Conservative 8or* liberal, once women realized that they didn’t have to choose between celibacy and motherhood, that they were finally, truly, free to do as they pleased…well, evidently sex pleases us a whole lot. Many men seem to still be confused about where that leaves them. They who used to be the masters of all they surveyed are now relegated to the status of “equal”. Some seem to not have adapted very well.
BTW…who is this “Fowley” guy you refer to?
By 2D
October 10, 2006 10:19 AM | Link to this
Revisionist… Good Ole Days??? I think you can still marry off a 15 year old in some states.
Anyway, back to a serious thought. When people like Betty bring up what you call the “Good Ole Days”, why do folks always bring up the extreme negatives. Was there nothing redeeming about our not so recent past that it requires blanket and sarcastic condemnation? I’m not old enough so I can’t make that determination.
I am old enough however to see how much our society has degenerated in the last twenty years. I’m not sure what was so bad about the “Good Ole Days” but I have to wonder whether we’re actually better off now or then. Was the “progress” made worth it?
By Cristina
October 10, 2006 10:21 AM | Link to this
Good Post betty- but I don’t think this has been an overtime change- I think these same situations existed back in the day it’s just more out in the open now- I don’t think as you put it- through the 70’s, 80’s, and 90’s we drastically changed- I think we were just more socially acceptable to being a homeosexual, promiscuous. I don’t think these situations didn’t exist back in the day- just now it’s more “comfortable” to talk about- or accept. Family lives have not tarnished whatsoever in my household. If you want family closeness- and good ol bonding time- I think how your family turns out is a direct result of what you are teaching your children and what you make a good example out of.
By Mara
October 10, 2006 10:23 AM | Link to this
Brian - LOL! Haven’t you heard? It was organized by Bill Clinton, financed by George Soros, and implemented by Hillary. At least according to such noble conservative voices as Jeff Gannon on his blog and Ben Stein in the American Spectator. LOL!!!
By Chilao
October 10, 2006 10:24 AM | Link to this
I think the 80/s couple was Ronnie and Nancy. When I lived in Hollywood, the things I used to hear. Oh, never mind. Only 1/2 joking, as I did live in East Hollywood for a short time.
Mara - Browning? LMAO Great Falls to GlacierNP is a nice drive.
But I was wondering, on this whole intelligience thing. Are American-Asians perceived as being better in math because they are actually SMARTER, or have just put the emphasis and had the proper training in doing well in math that they APPEAR to be SMARTER? Just a thought…
By Cindy
October 10, 2006 10:26 AM | Link to this
Of course this article is kind of a dumb question- yes the Repeat anything offenders should be penalized harsher so that they actually won’t do it again- But saying the value of a young childs life is more valuable than an adult woman- don’t even know why that twist is in it? No life is more valuable than any other life- of course it does go back to the question if you and your younger sibling and your older sibling were about to die and you could only save one- I would think more people lean towards the younger with the simple idea of “they have there whole life to live” But I hardly think a less punishment should be given to someone who raped a child or an adult woman- they should be the same for anyone!
By Brian Curtis
October 10, 2006 10:27 AM | Link to this
We have fewer women dying in childbirth and from botched back-alley abortions. Yes, it’s worth it.
By Jack
October 10, 2006 10:36 AM | Link to this
Chamblee High School used to be in the toilet as far as avg. SAT scores for it’s students. Since the influx of Asian students, they now lead the county.
By Cindy
October 10, 2006 10:38 AM | Link to this
Good comment BC- It is worth it!
By Renee
October 10, 2006 10:41 AM | Link to this
Mara - Fowley - ROTLMAO…you are too funny!!!
By 2D
October 10, 2006 10:47 AM | Link to this
Brian/Cindy… So does that mean y’all believe we have not regressed as a society or that our regression is an acceptable price to pay for those very focused advances?
I guess I was hoping for a more expansive response from folks who were of a particular (and older) age group to provide some insight that I don’t have.
By kimberly
October 10, 2006 10:55 AM | Link to this
Oh good grief! In the “old days” a woman either got LUCKY and married a decent man at the age of 20, not knowing anything about men or life, or she got STUCK in a bad marriage with no way out.
Yes, life probably WAS better for those couples from well-adjusted families who had similar goals & expectations, an understanding of the scope of responsibility, and depth of mutual love that lasted through their changing, growing lives. But that is in no way representative of the entire population. Young women often married the first man they could to get away from their parents, and it was a complete crap shoot! Alcoholism, drug addiction, violence, cruelty, infidelity, and perversion have ALWAYS existed. Now a woman has more ways to free herself, (as does a man — let’s be fair) than in the “good ol’ days.” What on earth is good about being trapped?
By Mara
October 10, 2006 10:57 AM | Link to this
2D - I suppose it depends on what you mean by “better off”. I’m guessing that any person of color would say that society is “better off” now. I suppose any woman who wants to work in science, in technology, in medicine, law, or finance would say that we’re “better off”. I suppose that anyone who enjoys life would say that the extra 10 years (approximatly) that we’ve added to our life expectancy makes us “better off”. I suppose that would be echoed by anyone who’s no longer worried about polio, TB, rhubella, and leprosy. We could talk about whether we’re “better off” for having perfected open heart surgery, the pacemaker, and organ transplants. Those are just a few of the medical and technical advancements we’ve made. That doesn’t even touch on DNA sequencing, the internet, cell phones and cable news. All these advancements have, in some way, affected society as a whole. Some of us beleive that the problems of today are no greater than the challenges of yesterday, merely different. Things change, organisms adapt. Or they die.
Face it. Progress goes forward not back. Just because one can look back and feel nostalgic about the “days of yore” doesn’t mean that things were better. Just different. The civil rights era undoubtedly bettered society. It also opened the door to equality for those other minority groups like women, and homosexuals who were also at the bottom of the social ladder. Does the empowerment of ethnic minorities balance out the empowerment of social minorities? I think that living up to the ideals we as a society believe in, that all men are created equal for example, is definitely better for us all. But I guess that depends on your definition of “worth it” and “better off”.
By Jack
October 10, 2006 10:58 AM | Link to this
2D. My father thought society was going downhill, his father said the same thing. I say the same thing to my children. People don’t like change but society changes with each generation and we don’t like it. My folks didn’t like rock and roll. I don’t like hip-hope. I’m sure when my children have kids of their own, the music their kids listen to will not be very popular to the parents. Natural progression/regression whichever way you look at it. We’re working toward Sodomn & Gomorrah. I think it’s supposed to be fire this time.
By Cindy
October 10, 2006 10:59 AM | Link to this
2D- I think we have progressed over the years- not regressed. It’s all a matter of opinions. I mean- if we really want to look back I would think that todays society would be a lot more open minded because hell look at it this way- we used to think slavery was acceptable- so I would just think that if people look at todays issues- they really won’t be issues in the future due to the ever changing world. Not an expansive response for you- like I said- it is all of a matter of opinions
By Chilao
October 10, 2006 11:01 AM | Link to this
wasn’t that a play on words, Fouley? LOL
So does that mean Asian kids are smarter? Or do they just place a higher value on being well-educated?
See, I don’t equate being well educated (or well trained in a specific discipline, in this case math formulas we have never even heard of) with anything resembling intelligience, by the eduation alone. It merely indicates proper training.
too many equate education with intelligience. and some of the dumbest people I know…(oh, never mind.. LOL)
By Toad
October 10, 2006 11:01 AM | Link to this
Ah, yes, the good ol’ days when children were sexually assaulted by their relatives but never said anything or if they did tell nothing happened to the abuser; when homosexuals were given shock therapy; when women died from illegal abortions or else sent off in shame to have their babies then give them up for adoption; when people of color were not admitted to “white” schools; when people of color couldn’t vote; when people of color couldn’t hold certain jobs; when men could have their wives committed to insane asylums; when women were legally paid less than men and not hired for many jobs; when white people involved in the civil rights movement were charged with sedition; when communists could not work in Hollywood and homosexuals could not work for the government; when people were lynched and no one was arrested.
By Renee
October 10, 2006 11:06 AM | Link to this
I for one don’t think society has regressed. Change does not equate regression.
By Cindy
October 10, 2006 11:08 AM | Link to this
Excellent Post Kimberly- families do get divorced and it may be harder in certain cases- but no child should have to grow up in a broken home where one parent is abusive, a drunk- etc! Couldn’t have said it better Mara- everything changes- roll with it! I can relate Jack- already looking at my youngins and their taste in music- but every once in a while- they surprise me with a song from their generation.
By Brian Curtis
October 10, 2006 11:10 AM | Link to this
2D: No, I really don’t think society has regressed. Some aspects have faded while others come to the forefront; what many people grew up knowing and believing is no longer true.
But that happens with every successive generation… and there’s always some from the previous group bitterly complaining that “the good old days” were idyllic and that today’s society is obviously headed for the trash heap. (Ya durn kids, ya!)
I believe that’s an artifact of advancing age and faulty memory more than true, measurable societal change. Are some things worse? Yes, of course; I don’t pretend our society is perfect or that every change is for the better. (For pity’s sake, we’ve got BUSH as president!)
But I don’t accept the argument that morally, ethically, socially, and politically, our society is overall worse off now than it was in the 50s. Or the 1930s. Or the 1800s, for that matter.
By Mara
October 10, 2006 11:12 AM | Link to this
Renee - Betty wrote it, I just asked about it LOL!!!
Chilao - I prefer the drive from Red Lodge to Cooke City, along the Beartooth Highway. Absolutely breath-taking. But then so is St Mary’s Lake in Glacier, so it’s six-to-one/half-dozen to the other, as momma used to say. :^)
By 2D
October 10, 2006 11:14 AM | Link to this
Mara… I don’t have a definition or a point of view, b/c I didn’t live in that time. My POV is confined to what I can realistically remember and that is not much before 1980, thus the question. I appreciate the objective response you and others provided versus the overly sarcastic and caustic of others.
By Jack
October 10, 2006 11:21 AM | Link to this
Cindy. My kids were proud of me when I bought an Alice n Chains CD.
Mara. The Mrs. & I are thinking about going to Glacier Natl Park for vacation next year. Do you know a good place to stay?
By Chilao
October 10, 2006 11:23 AM | Link to this
What did I say once before? If you were able to actually go back to those Good Old Days, everybody then would be complaining about the current state of affairs THEN, and be talking about some even further back Good Old Days. LOL
Mara - I took that route to go to the Museum of the Plains Indian in Browning, GlacierNP was actually a ‘since I am here and on my way to Calgary’. But I did see mountain goats there. a first.
By Chilao
October 10, 2006 11:24 AM | Link to this
a first in the wild, at least.
By Chilao
October 10, 2006 11:28 AM | Link to this
Jack - hope you got DIRT.
By lozen
October 10, 2006 11:30 AM | Link to this
So okay 2D, being of an older age group than most on this blog, let me provide some insight into the good ole days as I remember them growing up in a small southern town in the 50’s. Blacks lived on one side of town and whites on the other and never met except for the nannies and maids and cooks and chauffeurs and yard “boys” (who could be 60 years old!). Them was the good ole days! Homosexuals (they were all men of course) were called names, ridiculed as a matter of course, beaten up by the macho men and considered mentally ill by the medical establishment. They could be raided by the cops anywhere they tried to gather, thrown in jail, and beaten up. Them was the good ole days! I just found an article from some women’s magazine that I cut out when I was teenager last night. It was advice to young “girls” about what their relations with their husbands (men) would have to be like. The advice was all about taking care of their egos (never even recognized that she might have an ego), not making a big deal when he cheated because men were just going to and you might as well accept it, let him have his night out with the boys without any fuss, ad nauseum. Women were taught to be doormats. My mother and my mother-in-law were both doormats; when he said jump, they jumped. Male authorities were writing books telling women what kind of orgasm was healthy (vaginal) and what kind was not (clitoral). Women had to have children they didn’t want, did not value, and did not pay any attention to because they were so unhappy with a passal of kids they didn’t want! Women were taught they could not be doctors, lawyers, business leaders. The only professions for women were teacher, nurse and secretary. I could go on and on but it’s too frigging depressing to even think about them damn good ole days! Only white men (and a few brainwashed white women) think everything was so wonderful 50 years ago! No black person, no homosexual, and no liberated woman would ever, ever go back to that procrustean bed of hypocrisy, lies, and rigid social rules we lived in.
By lozen
October 10, 2006 11:34 AM | Link to this
Clapping for Mara again. IMO it was the advent of the birth-control pill which changed society. It had nothing to do with ones politics. Conservative or liberal, once women realized that they didn’t have to choose between celibacy and motherhood, that they were finally, truly, free to do as they pleased…well, evidently sex pleases us a whole lot. Many men seem to still be confused about where that leaves them. They who used to be the masters of all they surveyed are now relegated to the status of “equal”. Some seem to not have adapted very well.* And your 10:47.
By Cindy
October 10, 2006 11:36 AM | Link to this
LoL Jack! Well now it’s more of mine being proud of me buying an IPOD, changing my ring tones every week, sending picture messages, buying the latest Green Day cd, as well as using words like “EMO”
By Mara
October 10, 2006 11:37 AM | Link to this
2D - basically I agree with Jack that each generation thinks the next generation is taking society to hell-in-a-handbasket. LOL!! Undoubtedly, some Cro-Magnon once grunted to another about how “The kids these days…” while the other grunted back “In the old days…”
I don’t doubt that 20-30 years from now our children will be griping about how great things in the “twenty-aughts” were.
By Cindy
October 10, 2006 11:40 AM | Link to this
ROFLMAO LOZEN! It is sad what we came from though- it is depressin- glad times are- slowly- changing
By Jack
October 10, 2006 11:41 AM | Link to this
It wouldn’t be any fun at all if the woman didn’t enjoy it. You’re not saying women didn’t “get their cookies” back then are you?
By Scalia
October 10, 2006 11:46 AM | Link to this
Betty, violence and thug culture came in the 90s? Oh let’s see. “Rebel without a Cause” was about gang activity, and it came out in the 50s. What was the Fonz? Was he a good boy who attended church, or somebody that ran around town with every girl? Look at the 20s. Most gangsters were revered such as Al Capone. Gangs and violence have around for a long time. The MAFIA has been around for a long time.
So really, the thug culture and violence have been around forever. It just started to scare the mainstream when it took on a browner skin tone.
By 2D
October 10, 2006 11:49 AM | Link to this
Lozen… Sure there were problems that have gotten better but was there nothing good?
Were you safer then? Were schools better then? Did society have the same number of pedophiles and sexual predators? Did we have as many children living without both of their parents? Was welfare as prevelent? Did you have more buying power?
By Cindy
October 10, 2006 11:50 AM | Link to this
Please- why marry a man that can’t give ya all the cookies you want!?!?! mmm
By TramadoL6280
October 10, 2006 11:50 AM | Link to this
I just don’t have anything to say right now. I haven’t been up to anything recently, but it’s not important. I’ve just been sitting around waiting for something to happen, but shrug.
By Toad
October 10, 2006 11:50 AM | Link to this
In 1959 my mother (with an accounting degree) was told “There’s no such thing as a women accountant.” She was hired in payroll and when she discovered that the man she replaced had made a lot more money she was told “he has to support a family.” She said she had to support a family, too. (She made more than my father.) A friend of mine in her 60’s was arrested just for being in a gay bar in the 1950’s and was sentenced to an insane asylum and given shock therapy — just for being a Lesbian. I know more than one woman who had to go either to NYC or to Puerto Rico for an abortion.
By Cindy
October 10, 2006 11:51 AM | Link to this
Everyone should get cookies regularly- and don’t mistake regularly for routine… . should never have the same cookie twice!
By Mara
October 10, 2006 11:52 AM | Link to this
Jack - My sis lives in Kalispell and if you like I could ask her. Haven’t been up in a few years but when I was there we stayed at the Hampton Inn in Kalispell. If you want the full Glacier package I’d recommend staying at one of the lodges in the park itself. I don’t recall the name, but we had lunch at a very nice place on the eastern side of the park quite near St Marys Lake. Oh, FYI - my sis said that the fires this year were pretty bad so you might want to take that into consideration.
Lozen - can’t deny that the birth-control pill really did free women from their “biological destiny”. And thanks. Always nice to get back pats. :^)
By Cindy
October 10, 2006 11:54 AM | Link to this
Hardly think anyone was safer then?? Just had better revenge back then. Schools I doubt were better because we know a lot more now then back then. I agree that we have just caught more pedophiles then back then- Children living without both parents isn’t quite a bad thing- if the alternative is living with two people who hate eachother and take advantage of the other.
By Jack
October 10, 2006 11:58 AM | Link to this
“So really, the thug culture and violence have been around forever. It just started to scare the mainstream when it took on a browner skin tone.”
Disagree. Skin color has nothing to do with it. Do you think people were not afraid of gangs because they were white? No one was afraid of going against the Mafia because they were white. Gangsta Rap would be just as bad if whitey sang it. Love that race card.
By Chilao
October 10, 2006 12:03 PM | Link to this
Actually, while the Mafia was around before Prohibition, the Prohibition laws were what allowed them to grow substantially.
By Cindy
October 10, 2006 12:05 PM | Link to this
I disagree- skin color does have something to do with it- WE feared white people back then that were powerful and could have you thrown in jail- or if you were of any color other than white you feared white people- now since we are still (sad to say) adapting to accepting people of another race and we see gangs or hoodlums that are black or mexican, etc- now we fear them- but look- a lot of people fear Bush and he’s White! lol
By Toad
October 10, 2006 12:10 PM | Link to this
The thug culture reached the mainstream because many singers glorify violence and jail time resulting in middle class white kids wanting to emulate their heroes. Fonz was supposed to be a hood but he wasn’t presented as truly dangerous. Same with “West Side Story.” These were isolated entertainment representatives. Whereas some of the music stars now have lived the rough life and some still do.
By Chilao
October 10, 2006 12:13 PM | Link to this
Jack - read Nevada Barr’s Blood Lure before you go, main character is a female NP cop. in this book, visiting GlacierNP.
By Toad
October 10, 2006 12:17 PM | Link to this
Better visit Glacier Park while you can. In 10 years the glaciers may be all gone.
By Mara
October 10, 2006 12:22 PM | Link to this
Jack - I’m suppose some did “get their cookies” and some didn’t. The point I was trying to make was that, quite often, sex wasn’t a choice for women. Marital rape wasn’t “rape”. It was even considered a man’s marital right to bang his wife whether she wanted him to or not. It was a woman’s “duty” to cater to her husbands sexual needs. From the anecdotes I’ve heard of those days, sex was for male gratification and the woman just got lucky if she “got her cookies” too.
By Jack
October 10, 2006 12:24 PM | Link to this
Thanks for the tips.
Aren’t we heading for another ice-age? The Earth must be cooling off as there have been no hurricanes that damaged our shores this season.
By lozen
October 10, 2006 12:30 PM | Link to this
Were you safer then? Were schools better then? Did society have the same number of pedophiles and sexual predators? Did we have as many children living without both of their parents? Was welfare as prevelent? Did you have more buying power? Nope, not safer. Did you not read the post yesterday about my mother being raped by her cousin? My grandmother a child of 16 when she married my grandfather who was 33 and I imagine they had to get married although never a word was said about that! I experienced several attempted sexual assaults in the 50’s and 60’s. I don’t know if the schools were better because I haven’t been involved in the schools for years. I lived with both of my parents, 2D, and that’s exactly why, when my marriage wasn’t what I wanted, I left it. I saw what two people who don’t love/respect each other can do to each other and their kids when they stay together out of obligation and guilt. I have more buying power now as a single woman than I had in the 60’s married. At least it feels like I do, because I make my own money and don’t have to ask any man for money or get his permission to buy something I want. (My ex used to follow me around in the grocery store and put back anything he decided we didn’t need!)
By Archie
October 10, 2006 12:30 PM | Link to this
“Only white men (and a few brainwashed white women) think everything was so wonderful 50 years ago! No black person, no homosexual, and no liberated woman would ever, ever go back to that procrustean bed of hypocrisy, lies, and rigid social rules we lived in.”
Lozen, I agree with you on this. Once again good job on your comment about changing a tire last week. Since you’re older you probably could really enlighten some of the younger women and men on the blog.
By Jack
October 10, 2006 12:30 PM | Link to this
Cookies are best shared. :)
By lozen
October 10, 2006 12:35 PM | Link to this
And to think, Chilao reads Nevada Barr mysteries too! How about Janet Evanovich mysteries Chilao? Talk about ROTFLYAO funny!
By Betty
October 10, 2006 12:36 PM | Link to this
After reading posts here I guess that few of you were honored by the strong gifts that my parents afforded me. I can turn to my past and hold my head up proudly and also see the future that is full of possibility to make the word better. I do not agree that women were all so damaged or blocked by men nor were the people of my town hiding dirty laundry or that predators freely roamed like they can now. With the movement of women turning away from advanced careers to nurture their families—perhaps they were not wrong. Many of you seem bitter telling me that I should open my eyes—and see how damaged people there were—but the same posts reflect of how deeply troubled so many of you are because of your own behaviors and choices.
James Dean never bragged about doing jail time to be manly; his underwear stayed in his pants unseen and he was capable of acting without profanity being his claim to fame. He did not degrade the women he was filmed with but enhanced them.
As for the mafia they must have missed my town, my county and my street—we had no shootouts, no dons and crimes kids got into was shoplifting and truancy from school. We might have snuck beer into school but never once did we have shootouts and murders like happens now.
By lozen
October 10, 2006 12:39 PM | Link to this
Jack, It wouldn’t be any fun at all if the woman didn’t enjoy it. You’re not saying women didn’t “get their cookies” back then are you? Exactly how many women do you think got their cookies if they believed only a “vaginal orgasm” was healthy? Not many I bet. One of my aunts had her first orgasm (after having six kids!) when somebody gave her a gift massage! It was a therapeutic massage too, my dear, which shows that it didn’t take much for her to get her cookies. How very sad for women back then.
By Chilao
October 10, 2006 12:47 PM | Link to this
Janet Evanovich thanks for the pointer, never heard of her, running out of authors. LOL One of the funniest I read recently was Patricia Cornwell’s Isle of Dogs, Chesapeake Bay island/islanders declare war on the state of Virginia, with a buffoon governor.
ditto on cookies shared
By GOB
October 10, 2006 12:49 PM | Link to this
Interesting talk about the “good old days.” Sadly, Leave It To Beaver and Main Street Disney World were never reality in this country. I dont think the morality of the country is very different now than we were in the 50’s. We see more of what goes on behind closed doors now though, which makes a huge difference. There was no reality TV, internet, etc to bombard us with the private lives of anyone who is even quas-famous. It is really more an issue of exposure to what has always been there that has changed.
By lozen
October 10, 2006 12:50 PM | Link to this
Thank you Archie. Mara, you say it so well! My mother remembers being about eight and sobbing and falling and skinning her knees while she chased her mother who was running down the lane after her husband (my mother’s father) begging him not to go into town to visit the town “ho.” My grandmother was very pregnant and he was going after sex somewhere else! She already had three kids under eight, no education, lived on the farm! So what could she do but put up with it. That’s it for me folks. I’m getting too, too depressed about them good ole days!!!!
By kimberly
October 10, 2006 01:02 PM | Link to this
Mmmmm… cookies….
By Jack
October 10, 2006 01:06 PM | Link to this
(My ex used to follow me around in the grocery store and put back anything he decided we didn’t need!)
I’m always getting in trouble for putting stuff in the cart she says we don’t need! LOL
By Jack
October 10, 2006 01:07 PM | Link to this
Hi Hon. Careful, the fan blew a breaker… :)
By Cindy
October 10, 2006 01:18 PM | Link to this
lol Jack Ah- i’m glad the cookies are definately being had nowadays- what’s a woman to do?
By 2D
October 10, 2006 01:25 PM | Link to this
Lozen… I’m depressed as well. I personally do think we are going to heck-in-a-handbasket and if it was worse before, then what hope do we have to cling to?
By AllAboutME
October 10, 2006 01:28 PM | Link to this
….betty….blame it on Ted Kennedy….
By Renee
October 10, 2006 01:31 PM | Link to this
lozen - I have to agree with Archie, very well put.
Society changes, yeah kids wear their pants halfway down and “in the good ole days” kids did things that parents found equally as horrifying. Change is not always bad. And if acceptance of promiscuity and homosexuality is evidence of society going down, then down we must go!!! Although I for one, would think that acceptance in society is a step forward, but what do I know.
So really, the thug culture and violence have been around forever. It just started to scare the mainstream when it took on a browner skin tone.
Scalia, unfortunately, there is a lot of truth in that statement.
By Cindy
October 10, 2006 01:35 PM | Link to this
So- which writer do most of you agree with? Diane or Shaunti???
By Cindy
October 10, 2006 01:41 PM | Link to this
Renee- you’re right! I say to all the people who think that Women’s Rights, Equality, Rights to vote- just in general personal liberties no matter how much people think it’s wrong and we as a society will fall apart- then Fall apart-
By Mara
October 10, 2006 02:01 PM | Link to this
Betty - you are making a fundamental mistake saying that those of us who look at history without romanticizing it are “bitter” or that we somehow can’t look at the past and hold our heads up high and view a future bright with hope and possiblity. I’m definitly not ashamed of my past so I, too, can hold myself with pride. Nor do I think that the women of my mothers generation were “damaged”, merely stifled. She had a child every other year for 18 years. That didn’t leave her much time to persue anything other than motherhood, even if she had wanted to. It was my mother more than my father who insisted that we children take turns with all the chores. The girls did yardwork and vehicle maintenance as well as dishes, laundry and cooking. Just as my brothers did. You see, she didn’t think that gender should limit ones possibilities.
If, in your view, marriage, children, and conjugal submission are the be-all and end-all on the path to a womans happiness, well…bully for you. Enjoy. But don’t fool yourself into believing that there weren’t women who didn’t, and don’t, think that their role in society should be determined by the fact that they had a uterus. It is a fact that in the 50’s and ‘60’s, even into the ‘70’s, women had very limited options in what they did with their lives. Nonetheless, it is completely possible to find satisfaction, and even contentment, in doing a job well even if it isn’t the job one would’ve chosen themselves, had they been given a choice. I’m sure that there were just as many women content with their lot then as there are now. It’s simply that we now get to choose what that lot is. IMO, that’s much, much better.
and, uh…James Dean did wear his underwear out there for all to see. Initially used as an undergarment, James Dean and Marlon Brando popularized the t-shirt (or “undershirt” as it used to be called) as an acceptable garment. Just thought you should know…
By Renee
October 10, 2006 02:26 PM | Link to this
ummm…Mara….
you really are trying to get the tiara this week!!
By 2D
October 10, 2006 02:32 PM | Link to this
Renee… You may think that acceptance is a sign of society moving forward, but where would you draw the line? Or would you draw one at all?
By Chilao
October 10, 2006 02:33 PM | Link to this
some people never saw The Wild One(1953)?
townie: What are you rebelling against? Biker/Brando: Whatya got?.
WWII was probably a big catalyst for change in the USA, since so many servicemen had seen other cultures they would never have experienced without WWII.
By Toad
October 10, 2006 02:35 PM | Link to this
*So- which writer do most of you agree with? Diane or Shaunti???
By Cindy*
Definitely Shaunti this week!
By Chilao
October 10, 2006 02:37 PM | Link to this
to mention Rosie Riveter as well.
By Mara
October 10, 2006 02:42 PM | Link to this
Renee - well I do have these new bejeweled Jimmy Choo slingbacks and a faux ermine wrap LOL!!
By Mara
October 10, 2006 02:46 PM | Link to this
Chilao - what’s that saying “how do ya keep ‘em down on the farm once they’ve seen Gay Paree?”? :^)
By Renee
October 10, 2006 02:49 PM | Link to this
I don’t think off the top of my head that I would draw a line. I mean is there a group of people that shouldn’t be affected, short of being criminals??
By Chilao
October 10, 2006 02:56 PM | Link to this
Renee Renee - that ‘draw a line’ is a setup for obviously people will be marrying their animals……(tsch, tsch)
By Renee
October 10, 2006 03:08 PM | Link to this
LOL Chilao.
By Jack
October 10, 2006 03:15 PM | Link to this
They call those T-shirts “wife beaters”
By 2D
October 10, 2006 03:21 PM | Link to this
Chilao… Why is it a setup? When someone makes the statement that “acceptance is a sign of society moving forward”, to me that implies either that person is willing to accept anything and everything or that person assumes everyone agrees that certain actions are not acceptable in society.
By 2D
October 10, 2006 03:23 PM | Link to this
Jack… Arent’t “wife beaters” are tank tops? I think Dean and Brando wore regular short sleeved T’s.
By Chilao
October 10, 2006 03:27 PM | Link to this
2D - thank you. point made.
By Jack
October 10, 2006 03:34 PM | Link to this
Oops. Yes you’re right. Tank top = wife beater.
I know some people who would marry their animals if they could.
By Renee
October 10, 2006 03:36 PM | Link to this
Criminal behaviors are not accepted in society. If any behavior that a person wants to conduct does not affect anothers freedom, property or life, they should be able to carry on as such.
By Lily Toad
October 10, 2006 03:40 PM | Link to this
I find the term “wife beaters” offensive. Guess that’s where I draw the line. LOL! I think of tee shirts as the ones with sleeves. (They look like a T when laid flat.) Marlon Brando brandished the sleeveless undershirt to great effect in “Street Car Named Desire.”
I’m the same as Toad — decided to change my moniker so I’m not thought of as a penised-American.
By Lily Toad
October 10, 2006 03:48 PM | Link to this
Brando was exercising his constitutional right to bare arms.
By Jack
October 10, 2006 03:55 PM | Link to this
STELLA!!!
By Renee
October 10, 2006 03:55 PM | Link to this
LOL, I don’t find “wife beaters” offensive, but I guess I could see how someone would.
By kimberly
October 10, 2006 03:59 PM | Link to this
Brando was HOT.
By LyrazelComesinfromRetirement
October 10, 2006 04:00 PM | Link to this
Ah, good to see the American taliban is still festering on W2W.
Best tear jerk movie: Dumbo/Charlottes Web
MovieBuff: I have to disagree with the Thelma/Louise movie choice. I am much better suited for something like Hush Hush Sweet Charlotte.
Ah nostalgia… smells like deja vu all over again…ya’all be safe and happy
By Jack
October 10, 2006 04:03 PM | Link to this
One of my favorites from older times was Audrey Hepburn. She was also HOT.
By 2D
October 10, 2006 04:05 PM | Link to this
Kimberly’s right. Brando was hot. Way more than Dean.
By Brian Curtis
October 10, 2006 04:06 PM | Link to this
Standards are based on what the community finds acceptable—and those rules for acceptability change all the time. Used to be that interracial marriage was a crime; then it was just frowned on; then it was “fashionable;” and now it’s irrelevant.
Many other mores will follow this same path, albeit at different speeds. Does that mean “anything goes”? Not at all! Because human society is also very good at inventing new rules and protocols all the time; the “n-word” is no longer acceptable, for example.
Despite what Jerry Falwell and others would suggest, morality really IS an evolving and relative concept that changes over time, in every society. Some people will try to hurry change forward, and others will try to “hold the line” and resist changes they see as immoral or destructive. The uneasy balance between those factions is what determines the current day’s list of Acceptable and Unacceptable.
So what am I saying—that someday sex with minors will be Acceptable? Maybe so; it used to be in the Middle Ages of Europe (of course, they had a different definition of “minors” too). It certainly doesn’t appeal to me with my 2006-era perspective, and I agree with it being labeled a crime. But twenty or fifty years from now… who knows?
I suspect (I don’t know for certain, but I suspect) that in future, forcing others to do your bidding will be the primary basis for labeling some actions and behaviors Unacceptable. In that light, taking advantage of someone with reduced capacity for judgment (the mentally disabled, children, animals, etc.), may always be seen as ‘wrong’—I’d like to think so.
But then, I thought the Betamax would catch on; what do I know?
By Brian Curtis
October 10, 2006 04:06 PM | Link to this
Good one, Lily!
By 2D
October 10, 2006 04:20 PM | Link to this
BC… I think most folks would concede that morality is an ever evolving and relative concept. In fact, I think that even Jerry Fallwell would concede that.
However, you yourself stated that you’d like to think taking advantage of someone with reduced capacity would always be seen as wrong.
So, the question isn’t whether or not morality evolves and is relative but the question is SHOULD it be?
By Jack
October 10, 2006 04:21 PM | Link to this
Hush Hush Sweet Charlotte
They don’t make um like they used to.
By Jack
October 10, 2006 04:24 PM | Link to this
For those who like strange movies try, “Blue Velvet” with Dennis Hopper & Isabella Rosselini (sic).
By Jack
October 10, 2006 04:31 PM | Link to this
Have a good evening all. Gotta go. :)
By Lily Toad
October 10, 2006 04:37 PM | Link to this
Ooh, a discussion of moral relativism. 2D, Yes, I think morality SHOULD evolve. Look at 21th century views that would have been unaceptable 100 years ago. Full equality of the sexes, for one. 100 years ago people were arguing about whether women should vote. I know that’s not necessarily morality, but the idea was that “nice” women don’t want to worry about politics or they aren’t able to think without damaging their uteruses. This was seriously an issue. Brian’s example about interracial marriage is a good one. Of course, people have different ideas about the morality of homosexuality but I’m grateful that I live in an age where it is more accepted. That being said I think we have a long way to go, the gay marriage debacle being a good example.
200 years ago it was acceptable morally to enslave people or to force Indian children to cut their hair and forbid them to speak their tribal language. Divorce has also become more acceptable — not scandalous as it was 100 years ago. I could go on and on.
By Movie Buff
October 11, 2006 08:18 AM | Link to this
It appears the the topic for the week has been well-covered, so I hope it’s okay to talk about movies. I enjoy them because they speak to us in very strange ways sometimes.
For example, many people had a strange fascination with 9 1/2 Weeks with Mickey Rourke and Kim Basinger. I know kimberly won’t believe me, but that one didn’t turn me on at all. Did it do anything for you ladies?
By Movie Buff
October 11, 2006 08:22 AM | Link to this
Although I will admit a morbid fascination with another movie which might be considered to be in the same genre, “Tattoo” with Bruce Dern and Maude Adams. If any of you missed that one, it’s definitely worth a rental.
Speaking of movie rentals, does anyone patronize Movies Worth Seeeing down off of North Highlands? They’ve got probably the best foreign film section in all of Atlanta, along with a generous helping of all the good movies from the 1970s.
By Movie Buff
October 11, 2006 08:29 AM | Link to this
If any of you ever want to see a REAL DOCUMENTARY instead of that crap that Michael Moore produces (crapumentaries), go down to Movies Worth Seeing and pick up a copy of “Wadd: The Life and Times of John Holmes”.
I’m not recommending it so much for the porno aspect, but for the fact that we can all learn about what childhood abuse does to men by watching this film. The AMAZING thing is how much Holmes’s friends truly loved him, even though he “stuck it to em” many times each. Even his first wife, who he treated terribly, spoke of him in a loving way. I guess they all knew in their hearts that it wasn’t John’s fault what happened to him as a child.
By Movie Buff
October 11, 2006 08:34 AM | Link to this
Another favorite movie of mine of all time is “Personal Best” with Mariel Hemingway. The acting gets a little campy at times, but the photography of the athlete’s movements while they trained hasn’t been equalled in cinema, in my opinion.
Of course, I had to cover my eyes when they showed a lengthy scene in the girl’s sauna (not!). I bet Renee would find that to be a really HOT movie. I think that’s one of the reasons I get along with lesbians so well. We both appreciate the same things in life.
By SusieHomeMaker
October 11, 2006 08:36 AM | Link to this
The thug culture reached the mainstream because many singers glorify violence and jail time resulting in middle class white kids wanting to emulate their heroes.
I guess you forgot all about Rock n Roll folks like Marilyn Manson & Ozzy Osbourne who claimed to worship the devil, and who idolized devil worship and witch craft. No, THAT hadn’t affected little white suburban kids at all!! It was just the black kids from the projects.
How typical.
By Movie Buff
October 11, 2006 08:43 AM | Link to this
It was great to hear from you Lyrazel. Sorry I didn’t know you well enough to peg you as “Sweet Charlotte”, which was a great film, BTW. Many great stars made early appearances in that one, including Bruce Dern and George Kennedy. Victor Buono was impeccable as the patriarch, although my favorite role of his to this day is that of Jim Ignatowski’s father in Taxi. Of course, everyone’s favorite in that film had to be Agnes Moorehead, who later prtrayed Endora on Bewitched. Joseph Cotten was awesome, as well as Olivia De Havilland. I’m glad she won the part instead of Joan Crawofrd. It would have been a mistake in my eyes to dilute “What Ever Happened To Baby Jane” by pairing them together again, ala Tom Hanks and Meg Ryan in their two “blind date” movies together, “Sleepless in Seattle” and “You’ve Got Mail”. Many younger people never realized that both of these films were remakes of earlier classics.
By Movie Buff
October 11, 2006 08:46 AM | Link to this
SusieHomemaker—You didn’t happen to catch the Scream Awards on Spike TV last night, did you?? The grand finale was when they brought the Ozman himself onto the stage for their inaugural Lifetime Achievement Award for music? It was ruined only by having Marilyn Manson introduce him.
Over on TCM they were concurrently showing “Hush, Hush, Sweet Charlotte”, but I had to go with the Scream Awards, even though I don’t care for horror films.
By Movie Buff
October 11, 2006 08:54 AM | Link to this
Hot, hot show, those Scream Awards. All the hottest babes in the Universe were there, including Kate Beckinsale. Evangeline Lilly, and Jessica Alba. Rob Zombie’s wife is easy on the eyes as well. I can’t tell you why, but chicks with tattoos turn me on a lot more than the “princesses” do.
The only lame part of the whole show was when they brought Korn onto the stage. I had to turn the volume down immediately and put on “War Pigs” by Black Sabbath to get ready for the Ozman.
By 2D
October 11, 2006 09:05 AM | Link to this
SusieHomeMaker… Actually, most of the suburban parents I know were probably more strict about their kids listening to Marilyn Manson and others in his genre than anything else. Most of my nieces and nephews can buy Eminem, Ludicrus and others (which I find equally disgusting) but NO WAY would they be able to buy Marilyn Manson.
That’s probably why we don’t hear too much about him or his type of music in the mainstream much any longer.
By Movie Buff
October 11, 2006 09:09 AM | Link to this
I’ve been waiting for several years to get my “final” tattoo, an obscure Grateful Dead symbol known as “The Blind Prophet”. I may be able to get it next month when I’m going out to San Francisco to visit my sister who lives there with her “girlfriend”. I figure I’m going to have to find some guy who’s been doing Dead tattoos for at least thirty years to pull that one off.
P.S. When any of you ladies are ready for your tattoos, Sacred Heart in L5P is a good shop (or at least used to be). Avoid places like Black Cat that are dominated by men artists.
By Movie Buff
October 11, 2006 09:15 AM | Link to this
I’m not sure why, but I just had to go put on “Bang a Gong” by T. Rex. Remember that one, Jack?? My “crew” always had T’ Rex on when we were cruising Camden getting wasted in the “good ole days”. Boland is screaming right now: “Get It ON, Bang A Gong, GET IT ON”. That has to be the greatest guitar riff of all time. What do you think, Jack?
By Eric Clapton
October 11, 2006 09:18 AM | Link to this
I’m still hoping to hear back from WtoWfan regarding her other top 50 songs of all times. If you’re around, WtoWfan, please give me a shout. I think you are a dear person, and would love to hear more about your taste in music.
By Eric Clapton
October 11, 2006 09:20 AM | Link to this
2D, I think the real reason we don’t hear more from Marilyn Manson is that his music SUCKS. He should have never been allowed on the same stage last night with the Ozman, who actually has talent.
By Eric Clapton
October 11, 2006 09:23 AM | Link to this
I can tolerate Eminem for a few minutes, mostly for the clever phrasing and oddball voice he has. Other than that, strictly throw-away music.
By TramadoL66662
October 11, 2006 09:23 AM | Link to this
I just don’t have anything to say right now. I haven’t been up to anything recently, but it’s not important. I’ve just been sitting around waiting for something to happen, but shrug.
By Renee
October 11, 2006 09:24 AM | Link to this
what’s wrong with Ludacris?
By Eric Clapton
October 11, 2006 09:27 AM | Link to this
Here are a few of my other favorite albums: Jethro Tull “Benefit”, Jimi Hendrix “Electric Ladyland”, and King Crimson “Lark’s Tongue In Aspic”.
On the softer side, I love a group called Camel—their best album was called “Rain Dances”. If you don’t have that one, Chilao, I highly recommend it.
By Eric Clapton
October 11, 2006 09:29 AM | Link to this
Well, come on. Renee. Ludacris is ok, but he’s no ODB. I’d rather listen to Biggy all day than Ludacris.
By Eric Clapton
October 11, 2006 09:31 AM | Link to this
Had to just put on some REM—“It’s the End of the World As We Know It, And I Feel FINE”.
By Eric Clapton
October 11, 2006 09:36 AM | Link to this
Are you into the old 70s soul music, Renee? I’ve got quite a soul collection, although I’m partial to the “Phiadelphia Sound”. (wonder why? ; > } )
Here are some of my favorite soul groups: Harold Melvin and the Blue Notes with Teddy Pendergrass (Teddy sang the original “Don’t Leave Me This Way” before Thelma Houston won a grammy for Best Vocal Performance in , I think, 1978 for belting out the same number.)
By Renee
October 11, 2006 09:40 AM | Link to this
Well, come on. Renee. Ludacris is ok, but he’s no ODB. I’d rather listen to Biggy all day than Ludacris.
These are three different rappers you are dicussing, so that makes no sense. Although I doubt you listen to Big at all lol. But music is a matter of opinion.
My question to 2D is what is wrong with Ludacris? As far as being a “bad influence” or whatever is being implied.
By Eric Clapton
October 11, 2006 09:41 AM | Link to this
Some other favorites (besides the obvious ones like Marvin Gaye and Al Green) are the Intruders, Graham Central Station, and Rufus with Chaka Khan.
If you don’t have any Graham Central Station, Renee, I highly recommend “Release Yourself”. They actually use a HARPSICHORD in one of their songs. Never heard a harpsichord on any other soul albums before. Larry Graham went on to have a solo hit with “One In a Million You”, but that was lame compared to GCS.
By Mara
October 11, 2006 09:44 AM | Link to this
Susie - Marilyn Manson and Ozzie are icons of “thug” culture? LOL!! Now that’s the first time I’ve ever heard that! I don’t disagree that one could interpret their lyrics as violent…but “thug”? I dunno ‘bout that. My understanding of what “thug culture” is might be different than yours. Thugs, to me, promote a disdain for education, women, and the law. It’s a mixture of ho pimpin’, b*** slappin’, bling wearin’, cap poppin’, car jackin’, gang bangin’ and trash talkin’. That ain’t Ozzy or Marilyn…
I’m willing to revise my opinion if you disagree with it and can tell me why my definition is wrong. Cuz it’s not like I really know thug culture ;^)
By Eric Clapton
October 11, 2006 09:51 AM | Link to this
Quick connection between Michael Stipe, Burl Ives, and Kirk Douglas for you all: In “The End of the World As We Know It”, Michael Stipe references Leonard Bernstein, who was one of the folks listed on the now infamous “Red Channels” list of left leaning actors in the 1950s. Also on this list were folks like Orson Welles and Burl Ives to many people’s surprise in today’s world.
The honorable ones who were called before the House Un-American Activities Committee told on themselves, but wouldn’t name co-conspirators. In the movie Spartacus, all the captured slaves claimed to be Spartacus, rather than turning in Kirk Douglass when questioned by the Roman Authorities. I don’t believe this is historically accurate, but it made for a good movie scene, since referenced in many other movies.
By Eric Clapton
October 11, 2006 09:54 AM | Link to this
Renee, since you don’t believe me about my music tastes, you’ll just have to come to my place next time you’re in Atlanta. I’ll throw a special “Ladies Only ” poker tourney in your honor. We should have enough ladies to pull it off, ther are about 7 in my poker group aready.
By Eric Clapton
October 11, 2006 09:57 AM | Link to this
Don’t forget, Mara, in my day Ozzy was thought to be the Devil himself. He even got sued in the 1980s by some parents whose kid committed suicide based on his song “Suicide Solution”.
By Eric Clapton
October 11, 2006 09:59 AM | Link to this
REPEAT sexual offenders that prey on women, AND repeat sexual offenders that prey on children should be tortured, raped, mutilated, then killed slowly. Pedophilia cannot be cured - teke them out for good! Men who hate women and use violence should be taken out. I want to see death squads of women (and men that want to help) round these freaks up and torture them, cut it off, and after a slow, slow murder, cut off their heads, stuff that thing in their mouths, and put the heads up on poles in public places so all other men can see what will happen to them if they do it! I think that might help!
By Eric Clapton
October 11, 2006 10:00 AM | Link to this
Of course, my favorite all time Ozzy story is told by Tommy Lee regarding their experiences touring together in 1983. The boys from Motley Crue thought they were rockers until they tangled up with the Ozman, who actually snorted a line of ANTS from the ground onetime.
By Renee
October 11, 2006 10:01 AM | Link to this
Music is for entertainment purposes, as is television and movies. Yes, the entertainment industry targets a group of people to make money, which is what they are in the business for. No matter what is being rapped about on the radio, sung, screamed or anything else, does not make anyone exhibit that type of behavior.
Ozzy bit the heads off of rodents on stage, while arguably not thuglike, it is not exactly the behavior of an upstanding citizen. The flip side of that is that people bought tickets to his show knowing and wanting to see him exhibit that type of behavior.
I listen to all music, but I love rap and hip/hop, because it is of my generation. I listen to old school, new school, anything. My favorite female rapper is Trina, whose every other word is about vulgar sex. It’s friggin entertainment. Every boy who listens to rap, and wears his clothes off his a* is not a thug.
I allow my daughter now that she is older, to listen to almost anything (not anything, but almost). Hip hop is a culture, that is often confused with thug culture and gang culture, which is not true. Yes, there is gangster hip hop for people who like it, because it sells. I listen to it, kids listen to it, but nobody is listening to a song about killing anybody and then saying let’s go kill a cop. They are already a person with no direction, with bad behavior qualities, even could be evil….so why blame their behavior on the music they listen to.
I went to school with people who listened to Ozzy, Sid & Nancy, wore the black clothes and they even tried to be Satan worshippers in school. While these were not the kids I particularly hung around, when they come to reunions today, they are well versed with children and great jobs. It’s a teenage fad, to emulate the stars you like. It happens, but it makes nobody a thug or gangsta or anything else.
By Jack
October 11, 2006 10:03 AM | Link to this
“Tattoo” was a good flick. Need to check out Blue Velvet dog.
By Eric Clapton
October 11, 2006 10:05 AM | Link to this
Please excuse me I did not take my medication today. ADD is a big problem in this country and I am a perfect example. I have nothing to say and I will say it over and over, on and on to people who don’t want to hear it. No matter what name I may use, you will know it’s me when I post five or six or ten posts in a row about a topic that I want to discuss and, although you all ignore me (I really can’t blame you) I will go on and on with my conversation with myself. Oh, no. I think I see the white coats coming……
By Eric Clapton
October 11, 2006 10:07 AM | Link to this
In fact, I shoudl really be the first to have his head on a pole in a public place because I am a repeat sexual offender.
By Movie Buff
October 11, 2006 10:08 AM | Link to this
To be honest, my favorite movies are usually very silly ones that put a smile on your face. If I leave the theatre depressed, I’m not happy. That’s why I had to leave the theatre durng Schindler’s List.
Two of my all-time silly movies are “Spring Break” and “Hot Dog, the Movie”. More recently, I loved “School of Rock” and especially “Dodge Ball, An Underdog Story”. I definitely have new respect for Ben Stiller after “Dodgeball”.
By Eric Clapton
October 11, 2006 10:08 AM | Link to this
Now that I confess my sins do you like me less? God will forgive me for raping little boys. It is not your place to judge me!
By Eric Clapton
October 11, 2006 10:11 AM | Link to this
No. No. No. Please don’t take me back to that cell! Please let me keep boring these people with my musical tastes and opinions and schizoid postings.
By Movie Buff
October 11, 2006 10:12 AM | Link to this
I saw “Blue Velvet” as well Jack. The image of Dennis Hopper breathing into that mask remains burned in my mind to today. Isabella Rosselini took a big chance on that role.
Actually, when I went to see it, I thought it was a sequel to “National Velvet”. Just kidding.
By Movie Buff
October 11, 2006 10:14 AM | Link to this
Fake Eric Clapton alert—the 10:08 post is a fake DOG post. Whoever posted it must have a guilty conscious. Could it be John, based on the little boy rape reference?
By Movie Buff
October 11, 2006 10:15 AM | Link to this
Of course you all know Eric Clapton and I are one and we are one with DOG and Healer and Lawyer and scientist and many, many other names. I get so tired trying to control all these people inside my head. And when they make me go to that cell I have to think about all the little boys I raped and I don’t like that.
By Mara
October 11, 2006 10:15 AM | Link to this
Renee - They are already a person with no direction, with bad behavior qualities, even could be evil….so why blame their behavior on the music they listen to
Exactly. The entire post was filled with good points like this.
By Movie Buff
October 11, 2006 10:16 AM | Link to this
If your jealous of my ADD, fake Eric Clapton, TYPE FASTER.
By Movie Buff
October 11, 2006 10:18 AM | Link to this
Fake Eric Clapton alert—the 10:08 post is a fake DOG post. Whoever posted it must have a guilty conscious. Could it be John, based on the little boy rape reference?
By Movie Buff
October 11, 2006 10:23 AM | Link to this
Fake Eric Clapton alert—the 10:08 post is a fake DOG post. Whoever posted it must have a guilty conscious. Could it be John, based on the little boy rape reference?
By Movie Buff
October 11, 2006 10:24 AM | Link to this
f your jealous of my ADD, fake Eric Clapton, TYPE FASTER.
By Movie Buff
October 11, 2006 10:25 AM | Link to this
f your jealous of my ADD, fake Eric Clapton, TYPE FASTER.
By Chilao
October 11, 2006 10:28 AM | Link to this
Art reflects culture and too many think it is the other way around, forming/causing (bad) culture.
By Movie Buff
October 11, 2006 10:29 AM | Link to this
Argggggggggggg, my brain feels as if its gonna burst. DOG wants to hump womens legs. They won’t let him near women in here because they’re afraid he’ll do it again….
By Movie Buff
October 11, 2006 10:30 AM | Link to this
Or then again, maybe I was the only one who was suspicious that John knew so much about “ephebophilia”, and old Roman practice involving little boys.
Or maybe BC is getting tired of me showing him up here on the board with his phony “Science”.
By DOG
October 11, 2006 10:33 AM | Link to this
Ok, kimberly, you just gave yourself away with the leg humper post.
I thought you LIKED DOGS.
By DOG
October 11, 2006 10:36 AM | Link to this
Be careful, whoever you are. Spamming the W2W board may result in you getting “banned” from the board if lozen complains enough. Lucky the AJC security system is only based on email recognition, and not IP addresses, or I’d be in trouble myself.
By SusieHomeMaker
October 11, 2006 10:43 AM | Link to this
You didn’t happen to catch the Scream Awards on Spike TV last night, did you??
Nope. Susie was sleeping with the Apple Martinis last night, my birthday!, so I did not watch any television — not that I watch that much anyway, I’m such a snob when it comes to television!! However, my guilty secret is that i LOVE to watch Nip/Tuck. It’s such an awful, misogynistic, exploitive, chauvinistic show. That’s why I’m hooked. Pray for me.
By DOG
October 11, 2006 10:43 AM | Link to this
So if any of you here want to F#ck with a DOG, come on out in the open. I’m not afraid of any of you here. You can even come to my house if you like if you think you’re going to harm me.
Just be sure to come packing, because you’re going down, whoever you are.
By SusieHomeMaker
October 11, 2006 10:48 AM | Link to this
SusieHomeMaker… Actually, most of the suburban parents I know were probably more strict about their kids listening to Marilyn Manson and others in his genre than anything else
Well someone’s making him rich. Wanna take a guess who? Nine out of 10 times if a performer, artists, etc., is considered “taboo” by parents, who do you think kids run out and buy? Industry joke — all you have to do is get the Moral Majority to label your album “disgusting” and you’ll go platinum within the year.
By Chilao
October 11, 2006 10:53 AM | Link to this
Dog - you may have been just too good of an example, posting bogus posts under other people’s names. People on here are bright enough to go ‘if it’s good enough for da dog..’ LOL
and how come you had to choose my No1 most fave Sabbath and REM? Huh? Huh? LMAO. Saw REM in concert about ‘93, an enormous(at the time) $75 ticket, small outside amphitheater and worth EVERY &*(^%$% CENT.
and Jack had to mention Rossellini yesterday, dang….LOL (wheeew, patting chest, attempting to cool down)
By 2D
October 11, 2006 10:56 AM | Link to this
Renee… Are you trying to say that music, movies, television and other entertainment floating around in a society today does not influence it’s people and more specifically influence it’s children?
By DOG
October 11, 2006 11:02 AM | Link to this
Sorry for the name changes, Chilao. Have to stay one step ahead of the “Ignore” button. ; > ].
Does it really bother you if I have similar tastes to you? Despite some people’s opinions here, I am a lover , not a fighter. In 99% of my relationships, I’m the one who breaks it off, not the lady.
By DOG
October 11, 2006 11:05 AM | Link to this
Another favorite REM song of mine is “Man on the Moon”, about Andy Kaufman. How about you, Chilao?
By SusieHomeMaker
October 11, 2006 11:06 AM | Link to this
Susie - Marilyn Manson and Ozzie are icons of “thug” culture? LOL!!
ha. ha! (smile) NO! I was just using it as an example of how people like to throw stones at black culture and say it’s “crippling” the white youths. Blues, Rock n Roll, Jazz, no matter what — if black kids are jamming to it, and white kids pick up on it, it’s crippling or corrupting them.
By DOG
October 11, 2006 11:06 AM | Link to this
And how about that chick that portrays “6” on that new sci-fi show?? Talk about steaming!!!
By Jack
October 11, 2006 11:07 AM | Link to this
Bridget Bardot…. Get the fan.
By Renee
October 11, 2006 11:09 AM | Link to this
More or less I am saying that.
You seem to not care for rap. So please tell me how rap has had a negative influence on people, more specifically children. Don’t confuse your dislike into the negative influence.
By DOG
October 11, 2006 11:09 AM | Link to this
Personally, I’ve never slept with anyone under the age of 18, even when I was a teen myself. These days, I prefer the ladies in their 50s. A lot less BS.
By Jack
October 11, 2006 11:11 AM | Link to this
The red-head in Jerry MrGuire or the red-head in Devil’s Advocate. …Bring out the industrial sized fan + cold water.
By SusieHomeMaker
October 11, 2006 11:12 AM | Link to this
This dog/movie buff/etc. thing is really freaking me out!! It’s like reading Sybil in French and you can’t understand or read French……..
By DOG
October 11, 2006 11:14 AM | Link to this
I do beg everyone’s forgiveness here for using W2W as my catharsis. Believe me, 25 years of dealing with whiners like kimberly and lozen tends to build up some frustration after a while.
Quoting kimberly and lozen: Whaaaaaaaaaaa!
By SusieHomeMaker
October 11, 2006 11:15 AM | Link to this
Are you trying to say that music, movies, television and other entertainment floating around in a society today does not influence it’s people and more specifically influence it’s children?
I think it REFLECTS it’s society. Thug rap came about from the streets of Compton; where blacks & Hispanic youths were being harrassed for “Walking While Ethnic”. The violence reflected their every day existence. It didn’t create it.
By Chilao
October 11, 2006 11:15 AM | Link to this
Does it really bother you if I have similar tastes to you?
joking and not at all. LOL
are you cultured? Every time I hear that term I think of a petri-dish.
By kimberly
October 11, 2006 11:16 AM | Link to this
Susie, I like Marilyn Manson! Crank it UP!
By DOG
October 11, 2006 11:17 AM | Link to this
Renee, I like some rap, but have to agree with 2D that it is a negative influence. Think about the fact that advertisers spend billions of dallars every year on TV commercials. Repetition has an influence on folks, whether we like to admit it or not.
By SusieHomeMaker
October 11, 2006 11:20 AM | Link to this
Hunks: Clark Gable, Sidney Poitier (Call me MISTER Tibbs), Antonio Banderas, Michael Jordan, Brad Pitt (with the long hair).
By DOG
October 11, 2006 11:21 AM | Link to this
The truth, Susiehomemaker, in my experience, is that all people are schizophrenic to some degree. Don’t you ever hear your Grandma’s voice in your head?
This idea is captured in songs like “The Stranger” by Billy Joel. Some folks are honest like me, but most people will deny their own schizophrenia.
By Jack
October 11, 2006 11:22 AM | Link to this
They are not whiners. Justin is a whiner. (sorry Justin)
By DOG
October 11, 2006 11:24 AM | Link to this
Of course what kills me about hip-hop is how many old songs they keep ripping off. I liked when Aerosmith and Run DMC teamed up, but thought Will Smith was lame for ripping off “Just the Two of Us” without giving credit.
By DOG
October 11, 2006 11:26 AM | Link to this
You see, kimberly, one other reason you and I wouldn’t get along in real life is that I think MM sucks the big one. Not even original either. Go back and check out Alice Cooper if you think MM is original. Alice did it all before these new punks were out of diapers. Anyone ever see his guillotine act??
By kimberly
October 11, 2006 11:28 AM | Link to this
Jack Honey, here’s another one for you: Shirley Manson, lead singer of Garbage. She’s a most excellent rock star. Oooo, you’ll like this one too. Bartcop puts her at the bottom of every page.
By DOG
October 11, 2006 11:28 AM | Link to this
Susie, I can agree with Sidney Poitier being hot, but Brad Pitt????? The only good role he played was in a movie called Kalifornia. Just loved it when he used a knife to clean out his toenails.
By Chilao
October 11, 2006 11:28 AM | Link to this
Susie, I like Marilyn Manson! Crank it UP
ditto, especially after he did Playboy’s 20 Questions a few years back. Parents were taking their kids to see him, this all on the news since there were local protests as well…
anybody see him in the movie Jawbreaker? Ugly without all that makeup. well, even with….LOL
By Chilao
October 11, 2006 11:30 AM | Link to this
He’s even from New Jersey(Marilyn Manson)
By DOG
October 11, 2006 11:30 AM | Link to this
I know, Jack, women are programmed to whine. Let’s see who can be the bigger victim.
By kimberly
October 11, 2006 11:31 AM | Link to this
Susie, Antonio Banderas is SOOO SEXY… (How sexy IS he?) He is SOOOOO sexy, that he’s even too HOT to handle as an animated pussycat! (Shrek II for you childless folks.) Now THAT’s HOT!
By Renee
October 11, 2006 11:33 AM | Link to this
Exactly Susie and I think Chilao said it earlier also. The music is a reflection of society.
Dog - your statement of rap music having a negative influence made no senses, however, I hesitate, to ask for an explanation.
By Chilao
October 11, 2006 11:34 AM | Link to this
memorable Kalifornia line:
Pitt: “So you are writing a book about serial killers? How you going to write a book about serial killers if you ain’t never killed nobody”.
and Michelle Forbes, yowser.
By DOG
October 11, 2006 11:34 AM | Link to this
Good quote for you, kimberly: “No sense in complaining in Life, because 90% of people don’t really care, and the other 10% are damn glad of it”. A little hard to accept at first, but very relaxing once you “get it”.
By Chilao
October 11, 2006 11:35 AM | Link to this
Jack - haven’t seen either of those movies, but you might mean Connie Nielsen(tall Danish redhead). I cannot find a female cross-reference that was in both movies.
By Chilao
October 11, 2006 11:37 AM | Link to this
Of course if she was one of the hookers in the elevator, that may have been a quick scene. in DA.
By DOG
October 11, 2006 11:38 AM | Link to this
Plus, if you all can believe it, I can’t stand dogs in real life. In fact, some neighbors moved in last year with some pitbulls. After they started letting them run loose in the neighborhood, I confronted the jackass and let him know that I keep several loaded weapons handy. After that and several fines from the Gwinnett County Animal control, they decided it would be easier to move out.
By TramadoL96652
October 11, 2006 11:39 AM | Link to this
I haven’t been up to anything today. I can’t be bothered with anything recently. Nothing seems worth thinking about. I haven’t gotten anything done recently, but oh well. Not much noteworthy going on worth mentioning.
By DOG
October 11, 2006 11:42 AM | Link to this
Renee, I think the key to understandnig how rap influences folks is just by the sheer repetition of it. How many times do you hear MFing B’s, etc. in such songs. As I said earlier, I think it’s dangerous to keep raising the level of TABOO. I think Biggie and Tupac might agree with that.
By SusieHomeMaker
October 11, 2006 11:45 AM | Link to this
but thought Will Smith was lame for ripping off “Just the Two of Us” without giving credit.
R U Kidding!! She, (Patrice Rushen), probably bought him a magnum of champagne for christmas!!! She got PAID big time, introduced a whole new generation to her style, and did I say she got PAID big time!!
Quick history lesson on rap: Traditionally raps are over songs, (Think back to Isaac Hayes and Millie Jackson), the modern rap artists (back in the day) did not at first create their own beats, they “rapped” over someone else’s beats. The most ripped off artist in all of rapdom is James Brown — the original godfather of soul. His beats were always driven by that hard bass and by imaginative riffs.
By Jack
October 11, 2006 11:47 AM | Link to this
Thank you Kim. Pant, pant. Now I am unable to leave my cube for a while. (the second pic did it)
By Jack
October 11, 2006 11:49 AM | Link to this
Chilao. She was on the elevator and in the last scene when Al wanted Keanu to do his daughter.
By Chilao
October 11, 2006 11:49 AM | Link to this
I got it backwards, Connie Nielsen was the one in Devil’s Advocate.
The Devil’s Advocate, no connection to the movie, about potential sainthood in a small southern Italian town, by Morris L. West, is a recommended read.
By SusieHomeMaker
October 11, 2006 11:49 AM | Link to this
Susie, I can agree with Sidney Poitier being hot, but Brad Pitt?????
HECK YEAH DUDE!!! I’m not talking about thee Pitt with the short hair, I’m talking about the Pitt with the bad boy, damn-it-all long hair.
By DOG
October 11, 2006 11:50 AM | Link to this
In my experience, people who own dogs are insecure and very narcissistic. Me, I don’t want some mutt following me around.
Rabbit owners are usually a different breed. Since it usually takes a year or more to gain their trust, especially after they’ve been abused, you have to be willing to hang in there with no “reward” before they will bond with you.
By DOG
October 11, 2006 11:52 AM | Link to this
Of course, even though it was staged, I did get a little “misty” when Tupac and Biggie’s moms embraced on stage at an awards show many years ago. Not as misty as for those Amish people who attended the killer’s funeral, but I did feel something.
By DOG
October 11, 2006 11:55 AM | Link to this
Sorry. ladies, I don’t think there have been any REAL MEN actors in a long time. They’re all a bunch of Ps now, expecially Pitt and Klooney.
By DOG
October 11, 2006 11:58 AM | Link to this
Even the lady actors are fairly lame now. Angelina Jolie may be an exception.
What did you think of Elizabeth Taylor in “Cleopatra”, Jack?? Now there’s a hunk of woman for you.
By SusieHomeMaker
October 11, 2006 12:02 PM | Link to this
Renee, I like some rap, but have to agree with 2D that it is a negative influence. Think about the fact that advertisers spend billions of dallars every year on TV commercials. Repetition has an influence on folks, whether we like to admit it or not.
Advertisers don’t make the artist — they just make the artist more well known.
How many times do you hear MFing B’s, etc. in such songs
These are lyrics heard only AFTER you’ve bought the CD — not on the radio (it’s bleeped out), or on commercials so I really am not following you with the repetition argument. PS: The same words can be heard in rock music, movies, sporting events, NASCAR, in some homes, probably even at a skating rink. The words aren’t the problem. I understand what the other poster was saying about the misogynistic aspect of some rap music; but has anyone ever watched VH1 when they do the Hard Rock videos? If that’s not downing women then what is?
By Chilao
October 11, 2006 12:02 PM | Link to this
http://www.amazon.com/Devils-Advocate-Loyola-Classics/dp/0829421564/sr=1-2/qid=1160582452/ref=pdbbs2/002-8301928-1913600?ie=UTF8&s=books
By DOG
October 11, 2006 12:03 PM | Link to this
So what kind of jobs do you guys do???
I’m trying to figure out what to do next, myself. I’ve been thinking about trying to go to work for one of those “think tanks” like the Washington Institute for Middle Eastern Studies, but I think I might get bored after a while. Probably that ADD thing.
By Jack
October 11, 2006 12:05 PM | Link to this
Jolie doesn’t do much for me. Nicole Kiddman does. As for men, Clint Eastwood and Charles Bronson were good role models.
Yes. Liz was hot back then.
By DOG
October 11, 2006 12:07 PM | Link to this
But the good news for YOU all is that I’ve accelerated my timetable to leave Georgia, and hope to wrap things up by January. Anyone want to buy some rental properties? I’m selling them cheap now due to the slow real estate market.
Also, I would greatly appreciate if any of you would share where the best place to live in the US might be. I looked at Costa Rica for a while, but the rainy season is too long.
By DOG
October 11, 2006 12:09 PM | Link to this
Ooops, forgot to mention that I hate cold weather with a passion. I hope Mara and kimberly don’t banish me to Montana for all my supposed “crimes”.
By kimberly
October 11, 2006 12:09 PM | Link to this
Mongrel, thanks for the “Like, DUH!” quote at 11:34. Maybe next you can explain why water runs downhill or something.
By Renee
October 11, 2006 12:10 PM | Link to this
Renee, I think the key to understandnig how rap influences folks is just by the sheer repetition of it. How many times do you hear MFing B’s, etc. in such songs. As I said earlier, I think it’s dangerous to keep raising the level of TABOO. I think Biggie and Tupac might agree with that.
I understand rap. I don’t just listen to rap, I know rap, I know the culture and once again I understand rap. So what if there is cursing and calling of Mother f’s and b’s???? What is wrong with that?
Susie - your 11:45 is right on point.
By Chilao
October 11, 2006 12:14 PM | Link to this
How is water like electricity?
Both follow the path of least resistance.
By DOG
October 11, 2006 12:14 PM | Link to this
Well, kim, I’m definitely one of those “like Duh” guys. If you think that gets on your nerves, what about my own nerves?? What if you had to be with this kind of brain 24/7?
By Jack
October 11, 2006 12:14 PM | Link to this
Dog. Have you thought of sunny Afghanistan? Cheap to live there and many pretty flowers.
By SusieHomeMaker
October 11, 2006 12:18 PM | Link to this
Arizona is a nice place to live. Also Monterry CA is pretty cool too.
By DOG
October 11, 2006 12:18 PM | Link to this
Well you guys just lucked out for the rest of today. I just got a call from the metal fabricators regarding the bracket specifications for the portable pedestal poker tables a friend and I plan to make, so I gotta run. I’m trying to help set the guy up in business before I leave Georgia.
By Chilao
October 11, 2006 12:20 PM | Link to this
Have you thought of sunny Afghanistan
go to Kandahar, stand in a town square, and scream “Bush is the greatest”
By DOG
October 11, 2006 12:23 PM | Link to this
I “tried” flowers like that once, Jack, and deeply regretted it. I got along much better with Chilao’s friend out in Claremont who sold the “buttons”. I can still remember the taste of that fuzz, however, on the top of the “buttons”. Yuck!
If they really want to challenge those folks on Fear Factor, I say give ‘em a handful of peyote buttons.
Of course, I did finally understand Carlos Casteneda after eating the buttons. The tonal and the wonal, right Chilao?
By DOG
October 11, 2006 12:26 PM | Link to this
Susie, I never spent any time in Northern California. Everyone keeps telling me that CA is a terrible place to live now, but I’m not sure why. I loved Southern California in the 1970s except for the smog. You could see it roll in every night around 4 PM from the top of Mt. Baldy, which was right across the street from my college.
By Chilao
October 11, 2006 12:33 PM | Link to this
look up the Cracker song, that was not a reference to buttons. Kerosene Hat the album. LOL
By DOG
October 11, 2006 12:34 PM | Link to this
Of course, Casteneda is merely restating Zen Buddhism concepts, as are most spiritual authors. I still hope at least one of you will take the plunge and purchase “Zen Mind, Beginners Mind” by Shunryu Suzuki. Because it’s a little hard to follow at first, some of you might consider warming up with “Hardcore Zen, Punk Rock, Monster Movies, & the Truth About Reality.” by Brad Warner.
For kimberly, I highly recommend “Zen and the Art of Happiness” by Chris Prentiss and “The Zen Teachings of Jesus” by Kenneth Leong. Great books, kimberly.
By Chilao
October 11, 2006 12:35 PM | Link to this
Of course I was only along to look intimidating. LOL To Claremont, and years later, one of my friend’s daughters is doing Divinity School there.
By DOG
October 11, 2006 12:42 PM | Link to this
And for chuck and BC, because neither of you is remotely as smart as you believe you are, I recommend you brush up on your Linear Algebra if you hope to explain why every finite, non-zero inner product space has an orthonormal basis. It’s not a trivial result, because it sheds important light on understanding the concept of “Dimension”.
You might start with “Linear Algebra Through Geometry” by Banchoff and Wermer, the best “intuitive” text out there in my opinion. Then when you’re ready, you can tackle something important like David Hilbert’s “Foundation of Geometry”. Don’t waste any time with Stephen Hawking, however, he’s nothing more than another blowhard in my “humble” opinion.
By Just Being Me
October 11, 2006 12:44 PM | Link to this
Angelina Jolie is SUCH a hottie… even though I hate what she did…
By Stuey Ungar
October 11, 2006 12:45 PM | Link to this
Yes, an eidetic memory can actually be a curse, kimberly. Everyone hates forgetting things, but try to imagine if you could NEVER FORGET THINGS.
By 2D
October 11, 2006 12:47 PM | Link to this
Renee… Sorry but I have to disagree with you.
It only stands to reason that the things children watch or listen too has an effect on them. Why do you think there is children’s television like Sesame Street or videos/DVDs like Baby Einstein? Why do you think it is has been suggested that playing classical music while they are sleeping stimulates their brain? Why do you think there is so much thought put into their toys? Why do think there is a corrolation between learning music and math performance. Because it all has an affect on how they develop. To believe that does not happen or does not carry on past the age of 2 is completely “ludicrus”.
As for rap music, anything that degrades women to the extent it does is disgusting. Referring to women to b’s, c’s or ho’s is completely worthless. And that goes for any type of entertainment, regardless of the genre. And please, let’s forget the whole “it is simply a reflection of culture” crap. Even if that is true, we shouldn’t be propagating it or romanticizing it by purchasing the CDs or DVDs, playing it on the radio or using it to sell merchandise. That only legitimizes the actions and continues it’s propagation.
By Stuey Ungar
October 11, 2006 12:47 PM | Link to this
Yes, I think I might remember even you, Chilao. Not sure if it’s from Claremont or from Olga’s Diner in Marlton.
By Renee
October 11, 2006 12:49 PM | Link to this
I do have to admit that Antonio Banderos is hot.
Ummmm…JBM…..
never mind.
By Stuey Ungar
October 11, 2006 12:49 PM | Link to this
What did Angelina do, JBM? Other than hang out with that loser, Billy Bob Thornton?
By Jack
October 11, 2006 12:51 PM | Link to this
Chilao. The Claremont? or the Clermont on Ponce?
By Chilao
October 11, 2006 12:58 PM | Link to this
We are still talking here at work about a 6’5/300-lb biker-transvestite that was at Olga’s when we went. looked all slooshed and stuff.. and real hard to tell the sex. male or female.
any chance that was you? LOL
I would not have been around Claremont the years you were there. I was just along so no one tried anything funny anyway.
By Stuey Ungar
October 11, 2006 12:59 PM | Link to this
I’ll give you guys a little help, BC and chuck… An inner product space is a special type of vector space for which an inner product exists. An inner product on a vector space is a function that associates a real number with each pair of vectors in that vector space such that the symmetry, additivity, homogeneity, and positivity axioms apply.
Get back to me when you understand all that. Let me just say, chuck, you’re about 51 points shy of my IQ, ok D-wad?
By Stuey Ungar
October 11, 2006 01:01 PM | Link to this
I’ve been to the Clermont on Ponce as well, Jack. They had some of the ugliest strippers ever there.
By Chilao
October 11, 2006 01:01 PM | Link to this
Jack - the Claremont Colleges, Claremont CA, foot of MtBaldy, between Los Angeles and San Berdoo. right off the I-10.
I have no idea what the Clermont on Ponce is? strip-club? adult-bookstore? Fine Dining establishment? seriously.
google, here we come…LOL
By SusieHomeMaker
October 11, 2006 01:02 PM | Link to this
Dog. Have you thought of sunny Afghanistan? Cheap to live there and many pretty flowers.
u r sooooo bad…….
By Chilao
October 11, 2006 01:04 PM | Link to this
I doubted it was a fine dining establishment(I added that for humour).LOL
apparently an infamous ATL strip club.
By Stuey Ungar
October 11, 2006 01:05 PM | Link to this
Of course, the funny thing is that the vast majority of my clients when I was practicing chiropractic thought I was DUMB, because I always made sure to say ain’t a lot and use double negatives, along with a thick southern drawl. People are more satisifed as customers if you give them the ILLUSION that they are smarter than you and in control of the situation.
Here, since none of you are actually giving me your CASH, I don’t have to worry about offending you.
By Renee
October 11, 2006 01:05 PM | Link to this
All rap music, not even most rap music degrades and demoralizes women. But yes, some does refer to women as b!tches and ho’s. I don’t find it degrading at all, but that’s me. I’m not a b!tch or a ho, but I can be either one, lol. And some women are b!tches and ho’s lol. Another thing, that is not the context of the song. Nobody raps b!tch, ho, b!tch, ho and then leaves the stage.
But back to my original point, all rap music does not use that language. I buy all kinds of rap, even kinds that you find demoralizing, so if that is propogating or romanticizing it, then so be it. I support it, I play it and if somebody doesn’t like it, it’s very simple, don’t buy it and don’t allow your children to listen to it.
And just like there are learning toys with music, did you know that some of the music is rap music, and depending on the culture of children, they learn math and other things through the rap music. I don’t see how classical music stimulates ones’ brain over another type of music, but oh well, what do I know….
If you think that there aren’t very intelligent people who listen to rap and are part of the hip hop culture, then you are very, very mistaken. Ying Yang Twins, who are a very hot rap group, make the “strip club rap” and both women and men buy it. It’s only degrading if you allow it to be. It’s entertainment. Their lyrics are funny and are usually made to a great track with and equally great hook.
Oh, and if rap lyrics are controversial, listen to pop songs, rap songs, even slow songs, and tell me you can’t find any controversial lyrics. Take it with a grain of salt, and enjoy the friggin song or don’t buy it.
By Stuey Ungar
October 11, 2006 01:07 PM | Link to this
Of course, my crowning achievement IMO is when all the rednecks speak to me in confidence about those “Damn Yankees”. I made the mistake of explaining to one guy that I was actually from New Jersey, but he never came back. That was the last time I did something REALLY STUPID like that.
By Stuey Ungar
October 11, 2006 01:12 PM | Link to this
I only went to the Clermont Lounge because two of my clients worked there. I’m not really into strippers. Why torture a hungry man with a steak he can’t actually EAT??
By Stuey Ungar
October 11, 2006 01:19 PM | Link to this
You still have your Philly accent, Jack? I had to work like the dickens to get rid of the last traces of mine. A few years in California helped.
I am very proud of my “language accents”, however. Many latinos have told me I don’t sound that much like an American when I speak Spanish. My Russian accent isn’t bad either, and I can even fool some Koreans over the phone when I order take out food.
By Just Being Me
October 11, 2006 01:20 PM | Link to this
Ummmm…JBM…
never mind.
Shuddup Renee, who asked you???? LOL!!!
By Stuey Ungar
October 11, 2006 01:22 PM | Link to this
Well my buddy Roger is here. So, an-yong he gaia-sao! That is “goodbye” in Korean. Sorry to any Koreans for the mangled attempt to transcribe that into English. My keyboard doesn’t include the Korean alphabet.
By Brian Curtis
October 11, 2006 01:23 PM | Link to this
Bruno still hasn’t figured out that he’s just talking to himself, has he? Classic pompous troll behavior—I especially liked earlier when he bragged about his trolling skills and made some empty threats to prop up his embattled little ego.
I’m not much of a rap fan, but I agree with 2D that entertainment undoubtedly has an effect on its viewers/listeners… but exactly what effect is it? And is it limited to kids, or does it affect adults too?
By Lyrazel
October 11, 2006 01:26 PM | Link to this
Movie Dog Clapton Chiropractor Mennonite Wannabe—- You sure like blogging to yourself, dont you?
SusieHomeMaker—we share the same birthday. Congrats kid! I turned 74 yesterday. Retirement is bliss! My prayers tend to go unanswered but I’ll throw one up for ya for that special day!
Betty Castration solves nothing. In the years of mandatory punishments they have tried: Chain-gangs, electro-shock, lobotomies, enemas, and they cant seem to get over that stickler of a damn law called: civil liberties.
Thug culture…well you know once hollywood thinks its cool: its over. Once Muzak plays your hits…its over. Even the hippity-hoppers are wearing buttondowns now. I done seen MC Hammer dancin’ with Vanilla Ice on the stage at Dollywood! Folks were supposed to go to hell for listening to Elvis (girls were rumored to not be virgins for dancing too hard… now these liberated mommies are throwing panties at Tom Jones) All those hippies are going to hell for listening to the Beatles. So, I guess hell will be full of good music! Hopefully they will be playing Firebird Suites by Igor Stravinsky (Which was scandalous and banned as well btw) when we arrive…
Music…We grew up listening to Frank Sinatra and Harry Belafonte…Calypso! and mom controlled the records and the record player and the money. We had transistor radios…but the hits played were Bobby Darien, Fabio and Leslie Gore and Doris Day…it was MUCH later that folks like Lil’ Richard, Chubby, Fats, Temptations and Supremes were played down south on AM radio but if the radio was pointed up you could hear stations at night out of New York drowning out On the Street Where You Live playing downstairs.
When rock was worth listening to I was into Zappa/Beafheart & Mothers but I suppose everyone had We Are Only In It For The Money, right? The only Clapton album I ever owned was 421(?) Ocean Boulevard because I liked Let It Grow…saw the Byrds in Mexico City about the time Sgt. Pepper was released…there was a riot after people started falling off the utility poles they had climbed up to see the band on scared the * out of me. Anyone remember when the Monkees came to Atl. first time teamed up with Jimmy Hendrix? My sister went. She dragged me to see the Turtles and has Herman of Herman’s Hermits autograph. Duh…she went on to Elvis Costello…and her son likes Bare Naked Ladies.
Favorite movies: Ooooh, gotta be Quest for Fire! Fantasia, 2000 Motels, Barton Fink! Blue Velvet was good but I thought Eraserhead was better. Recently saw Children of Paradise,Grave of the Fireflies. One good but overlooked movie is Das Boot! Klaus Kinski is phenomenal in that and Agirre Wrath of God Another good cry flick is Harold & Maude also A Patch of Blue, with Sidney is excellent and you WILL need a hankie! Sid & Nancy playing with Decision at Nuremberg make a great Christmas combo guaranteed to keep the relatives from staying over during the holidays.
As for Marilyn Mason…as Zappa used to say: Shut up and Play your Guitar….
By Jack
October 11, 2006 01:28 PM | Link to this
It took a long time but now I talk like a “good ole boy”
You may want to stay away from the “steak” at the Clermont. Besides no being sure of the gender, there may be cooties.
By Spelling Police
October 11, 2006 01:36 PM | Link to this
That would be “Shut Up N Play Yer Guitar”. Best Zappa album ever.
By Chilao
October 11, 2006 01:37 PM | Link to this
Lyrazel - I don’t believe it, on both Quest for Fire(I have recommended that to so many people), and my number one movie of all time is DasBoot(the irony of it all)…wow.
By Spelling Police
October 11, 2006 01:44 PM | Link to this
I actually saw Eraserhead as well Lyrazel. Pretty strange. I didn’t think David Lynch would go far after that one, but I guess I’m not always right. BTW, that was “200 motels”, not “2000” motels.
I think “2000 Motels” is the title of the upcoming bio of Anna Nicloe Smith.
By Spelling Police
October 11, 2006 01:46 PM | Link to this
I loved Das Boot as well, Chilao.
Are you latino, Chilao?
By Lily Toad
October 11, 2006 01:47 PM | Link to this
Chilao — steak has a gender?
By Renee
October 11, 2006 01:47 PM | Link to this
Once Muzak plays your hits…its over.
Too funny!!
By Chilao
October 11, 2006 01:48 PM | Link to this
Anybody remember Frank Zappa testifying before Tipper Gore’s(de facto) House Committee on music lyrics?
By Spelling Police
October 11, 2006 01:48 PM | Link to this
P.S. “Herman” from Herman Hermits is actually Peter Noone. He gave a free concert a few years back up in Duluth.
By 2D
October 11, 2006 01:50 PM | Link to this
Brian… I think it affects everyone. Personally, I am more afraid of what the video game phenomenon is going to do to our society than rap music. Those games have become so realistic I just shudder at the thought of them.
It also appears that Renee has taken up a crusade to save rap music. Guess what, I don’t listen to it because I don’t like the music (loose use of the term). In my opinion it takes little or no musical ability to make it. Give me an orchestra with actual musicians rather than some sampling machine anyday. I think rap music is a bad influence due to the lyrics (not the music) and the lifestyles/attitudes of the “artists” (loose use of the term). Of course “rap” can be used to teach things, but then the lyrics aren’t denigrating women, romanticizing drug use, preaching it’s cool to bag a bunch of chicks or glorifying killing people. I learned lots of things through songs and rhymes. In fact I still use the one to get the number of days in each month.
By Spelling Police
October 11, 2006 01:54 PM | Link to this
I rewatched both Taxi Driver and Good Will Hunting two nights ago. Although I’d like to believe I’m more like Robert De Niro, my life is almost a mirror image of Will Hunting’s.
I actually tried counseling once, so I guess my favorite scene is when Matt Damon starts singing “Afternoon Delight” for the therapist who thought he had hypnotized Matt.
My second favorite is when some clown tries to impress Minnie Driver in a bar with his knowledge of History. Kind of reminds me of DOG vs. chuck and BC.
By Spelling Police
October 11, 2006 01:56 PM | Link to this
Zppa was nothing in those trials, Chilao. I’m going with Dee Snyder from Twisted Sister who explained the name of his fan club to Tipper.
By Spelling Police
October 11, 2006 01:59 PM | Link to this
The only “counselor” who ever helped me was an ASTROLOGER if you can belive that. He practiced up in Roswell, not sure if he’s still around.
By Chilao
October 11, 2006 02:02 PM | Link to this
wrong person, I never got into a Steak discussion. not Latino, either.
By Spelling Police
October 11, 2006 02:02 PM | Link to this
Amazingly, I look a lot like Robin Williams, but can’t claim his greatness as a human being. Little piece of trivia for you Chilao—Robin Williams attended one of the Claremont Colleges for a year about three years before I got there. He went to Claremont Men’s College, which was since renamed Claremont McKenna College.
By Jack
October 11, 2006 02:06 PM | Link to this
Steak = dancers.
By Spelling Police
October 11, 2006 02:07 PM | Link to this
Ooops, forgot to mention the court room scene from Good Will Hunting when Will defends himself by quoting legal precedents from the 1700s.
The scenes which “got me” were the ones with Robin Williams. He’s an awesome human being.
By Renee
October 11, 2006 02:09 PM | Link to this
It also appears that Renee has taken up a crusade to save rap music. Guess what, I don’t listen to it because I don’t like the music (loose use of the term). In my opinion it takes little or no musical ability to make it. Give me an orchestra with actual musicians rather than some sampling machine anyday. I think rap music is a bad influence due to the lyrics (not the music) and the lifestyles/attitudes of the “artists” (loose use of the term). Of course “rap” can be used to teach things, but then the lyrics aren’t denigrating women, romanticizing drug use, preaching it’s cool to bag a bunch of chicks or glorifying killing people. I learned lots of things through songs and rhymes. In fact I still use the one to get the number of days in each month.
I’m merely expressing my opinion. Rap music doesn’t need a crusade by me to save it. It doesn’t need saving, as a matter of fact, it’s doing quite well holding it’s own. You are perfectly entitled to your opinion, actually most older people share your opinion, both black and white. But be aware that others don’t share your opinion, and it should be made available to all who want to listen. Also, you speak frequently of the lyrics, so please tell me exactly which lyrics you speak of. What songs?? What artist?? Tell me what artist has what attitude. It sounds to me like you have formed an opinion based upon what you have heard to be true, or assume, or heard third hand. Yes, there are people in the rap culture who use drugs and get in trouble. Oh, I forgot, it’s only rappers using and glorifying drugs, not movie stars, not comedians, not singers, none of THEM glorify it at all….ahhhh I see….
And to some it is cool to “bag a bunch of chicks”. If I wasn’t tied down, I sure might be trying to. LOL
By Spelling Police
October 11, 2006 02:09 PM | Link to this
So what is your “heritage”, Chilao. I’m betting a lot one of your parents is from another country.
By Chilao
October 11, 2006 02:10 PM | Link to this
Robin Williams is a genius, saw him on stage on PBS about 1978(probably Jan/Feb), mostly before any movies/TV, doing Shakespeare kind of stuff. we all p-e-e-d our pants, again and again and again. Expand on him doing the John Wayne Swagger in Seize the Day and you get the idea. solo, on stage. LOL
By Mara
October 11, 2006 02:19 PM | Link to this
Chilao - Tipper was the reason I couldn’t bring myself to vote for Al. Don’t remember the Zappa testimony but I do remember the shock on all their faces when they realized that Dee Schneider was a whole lot more articulate than they thought a heavy-metal rocker could be. It was really pretty funny.
Brian - Bruno still hasn’t figured out that he’s just talking to himself, has he?
So far only 65 of the 146 posts were NOT by the troll. And that’s assuming that he hasn’t returned to using the Tramadol moniker.
By Chilao
October 11, 2006 02:22 PM | Link to this
Mail your ALOT check to… wait, I only deal in cash so your BIG suitcases FILLED WITH CASG can be left at a Hartsfield locker, and leave the key with the bartender.
By Spelling Police
October 11, 2006 02:23 PM | Link to this
For whatever reason, I also enjoyed Will Geer as an actor—not so much for his Grandpa role on the Waltons, but for other works. He was the star of the greatest two episodes of “Eight Is Enough” ever when he played a con-man Santa Claus who gets “redeemed” at the end of Part 2.
Why am I hearing “Afternoon Delight ” when I think of those two episodes??
By Spelling Police
October 11, 2006 02:24 PM | Link to this
Well, hey, Mara, maybe some folks have more to say than others…….
By Jack
October 11, 2006 02:25 PM | Link to this
He needs some “special stew”
By Chilao
October 11, 2006 02:26 PM | Link to this
Chilao - Tipper was the reason I couldn’t bring myself to vote for Al
exactly, I remember stating EXACTLY that to an ex-g/f
who wants a ()whipped boy as president anyway. LOL
Ariana(sp?) Huffington is this month’s Playboy interview, and she actually thinks he has a chance this time around. She is very against Hillary, mainly because she(Hillary) has not demonstrated any concept of leadership.
She also mentions she considers Bush on the world stage like an amateur production of Shakespeare. AND calls him a dry drunk. Addictive personality, without the fluids.
By Spelling Police
October 11, 2006 02:28 PM | Link to this
Ooops, caught myself—that’s Dee Snider, not Dee Snyder. I heard they are coming out with a Christmas album soon, Twisted Christmas following their reunion last year.
By Chilao
October 11, 2006 02:30 PM | Link to this
I never thought much of Ossie, aside from liking very early Black Sabbath(some). Heard him do an interview on KNAC, the LA metal station, and learned he was ARTICULATE as all get-out. In fact I did not know who was talking, until in context of references(talking about this and that) I realized who it was. I was like ‘dayum’.
By Spelling Police
October 11, 2006 02:34 PM | Link to this
Are you talking about the cattle association, Chilao?? I hope you don’t shoot your heifers up with that awful bovine growth hormone which doubles the “milk cycle”. Ever read how the pus content of the milk is so much higher?? Of course, the FDA doesn’t care. They approved olestra and “frankfoods” as well.
By 2D
October 11, 2006 02:34 PM | Link to this
Renee… I never singled rap music out. You are the one who seems to want to defend it, especially Ludicrus. If you want to listen to it, fine. But please don’t try to tell me it doesn’t have any affect on the people who listen to it.
And guess what, being commercially successful does not mean that something is doing just fine. It just means that people buy it. Cigarettes sell but they still decay the human body. BTW… I never suggested that it should be banned, outlawed or kept from consumers as yourself.
By Spelling Police
October 11, 2006 02:36 PM | Link to this
Don’t worry about the Dems winning anything in 2008. With Hillary leading the parade, they’re going nowhere but down. I’m not sure who the Republican candidate will be, however, but I’m betting the farm Hillary will win the nomination on the Bozo side of the aisle.
No, not Hillary Swank—-Hillary “Skank” Clinton.
By Jack
October 11, 2006 02:40 PM | Link to this
Tupac was quite the role model.
By BGH Protester
October 11, 2006 02:41 PM | Link to this
You may have met me, then, Chilao. I went down to the Cattleman’s Association meeting in the early 90s to protest along with another guy.. They threw the other guy out on his a* for making a disturbance, but ended up inviting me to stay for lunch.
By Chilao
October 11, 2006 02:42 PM | Link to this
so steak is sort like meat on the hoof? LOL
call me slow but I miss the cattle association reference. Cannot get papers on me though, pedigree-wise, it’s called American Mongrel. or Chop-Suey (LMAO)
By BGH Protester
October 11, 2006 02:47 PM | Link to this
Can any of you blame Bill for whoring around?… Imagining being in bed with Hillary could turn a man impotent.
By BGH Protester
October 11, 2006 02:48 PM | Link to this
ALOT is the acronym used by the Cattleman’s Association.
By Lyrazel
October 11, 2006 02:49 PM | Link to this
My mistake of 200 vs 2000 forgive me! LOL its hard to remember who and what now and even harder to care about such! Peter Noone…what a hunk…just like Bobby Sherman and o drool the king of drool..Pat Boone. Tipper is a Davy Jones fan…I lost all respect for her…
2D—How do you feel about our US Army handing out their combat game to kids at school who want them (as seen on The Office last week) Distributed probably as part of NCLB. The problem with such logic (and reason for my bewildering post, sorry) is that generations of people have been condemning people & music & art & technology for centuries. Certainly there is a monk out there who got his balls lobbed off for compiling Carmina Burana! Everything changes…disco is gone…so is bubble gum…so is Kate Smith…and Gene Autrey! One day all those rappers will be doing nostalgia tours and Renee will be in the audience with her grandkids grooving to the oldies…and those kids will be so bored… by grannies music. Trust me.
By 2D
October 11, 2006 02:50 PM | Link to this
SP… No need to toss fire bombs about Hillary Clinton.
Hillary Swank on the other hand is a no-talent, one-trick pony who can only play white-trash-boy-wanna-be chicks. And to think she beat out Annette Benning twice for the Oscar. Absolutely appalling.
By Renee
October 11, 2006 02:50 PM | Link to this
2D - you made direct references to rap music, in response to Susie’s response, and then I made comment. I didn’t defend Ludacris although I did ask what was wrong with his music (it was a one sentence post sometime this morning). And then you specifically asked me was I saying that it has no effect on people specifically children.
My answer to that then (and now) is no. I don’t think it has a negative effect on people or children.
As far as commercial success, tobacco companies are making a sh!tload of money, off of somebody….oh yeah, off of smokers, some of who don’t care what effect it has on the human body. So who is not doing fine too? The smokers who buy it are also enjoying it, and the tobacco companies are raking in the bucks.
But it’s still really unfair to compare rap music or any music to a drug or other harmful toxin. Rap music doesn’t have carry the possibility of death if you listen to it.
So if that is “defending” rap music, then by all means, yes I am. Although I would use my arguments to defend any type of music, but I’m not as well versed in all genres as I am in the one that is the topic of our current discussion.
And you don’t find anything wrong with someone defending something they either believe in or agree with, now would you. That’s treading into dangerous waters.
By Renee
October 11, 2006 02:58 PM | Link to this
Tupac’s job is not to be a role model.
That being said, his life entailed a lot more than what was portrayed by the media.
By Music Fan
October 11, 2006 03:01 PM | Link to this
Davey Jones also gave a free concert up in Duluth the year before Peter Noone. I sure do miss Fox 97.
Peter Noone is amazingly talented, Lyrazel. In the middle of the show he started singing Johnny Cash songs, and sounded more like Johnny than Johnny DID HIMSELF!! Pretty amazing for a Brit to pull that one off. He also can mimic many other British performers. If he ever performs again, be sure to see him.
By Chilao
October 11, 2006 03:04 PM | Link to this
ALO*T references Arkansas-Louisiana-Oklahoma-Texas ANGUS Association, so I never would have gotten that AT ALL.
call me slow. LOL
By SusieHomeMaker
October 11, 2006 03:05 PM | Link to this
think it affects everyone. Personally, I am more afraid of what the video game phenomenon is going to do to our society than rap music. Those games have become so realistic I just shudder at the thought of them.
Hear! Hear!!! I wonder when EVERYONE will realize that!! The boys at columbine practised how to shoot initially from video games. They have games that glorify violence, killing, and police murder; yet the same parents who run out and buy their kids these $65+ games, scream about rap music. AMAZING.
By Renee
October 11, 2006 03:06 PM | Link to this
One day all those rappers will be doing nostalgia tours and Renee will be in the audience with her grandkids grooving to the oldies
Not a good visionary lol, with either the nostalgia tours or me in the audience. I doubt I would take my grandkids to any concerts with me lol.
By Just Being Me
October 11, 2006 03:11 PM | Link to this
Another plane crashed into a NY building, if you guys didn’t already here. There isn’t much info available yet, but here’s a link to the local paper.
I’ve spoken with my fam in NY, and all is well with my folks.
Let’s be prayerful, folks. to an article in the NY Newsday. It was a residential building, and apparently a small plane, not commercial.
My fam’s all fine. Those of you who aren’t atheists might want to pray for the folks who might have been affected.
By FYI
October 11, 2006 03:12 PM | Link to this
Album: 2Pacalypse Now Song: Violent
They claim that i’m violent Just cuz I refuse to be silent These hipocrites I havin’ fears Cuz i’m not buying it, defying it Envious, because I will rebel against Any oppresor, and this is known as self defense I show no mercy, they claim that i’m tha Lunatic But when tha st gets thick, i’m tha one you got and get Don’t look so confused, tha truth is so plain ta see Cause i’m tha nia tha you sell-outs are ashamed to be And every jeep and and every car, while they stop us I’m never ignorant, getten goals accomplished Tha underground railroad on an uprise This time tha truth is getten told Heard enough lies I told’em fight back, attack on society If this is violence then violents what I gotta be If you investigate you’ll find out where it’s coming from Look through our history, Americas tha violent one
BTW if you didn’t get it, it’s Never Ignorant Getting Goals Accomplihsed (N.I.G.G.A)
By I Stand Corrected
October 11, 2006 03:12 PM | Link to this
You’re right, Chilao, about ALOT. I just did the google thing. Not sure how that one got stuck in my brain. Of course, I’ve worked hard over the years to selectively destroy brain cells so that I could start FORGETTING things like that. Maybe my hard work is beginning to pay off!
By Just Being Me
October 11, 2006 03:12 PM | Link to this
CNN.com has a picture.
By I Stand Corrected
October 11, 2006 03:15 PM | Link to this
Susie, you are a brilliant woman with your last post. I might have to take you up on that beer offer some day. I’ve only had one black girlfriend over the years, and she definitely was no Halle Berry.
By Lily Toad
October 11, 2006 03:16 PM | Link to this
As a young teenager I adored Herman’s Hermits, especially Peter Noone. I had one of their posters in my bedroom. In my late 20’s I was in London and found out Peter Noone was playing in “Pirates of Penzance” so I had to go. He still had a cute a*.
By I Stand Corrected
October 11, 2006 03:17 PM | Link to this
Two other great concerts sponsored by Fox 97 were Johnny Rivers and America (last summer).
Of course, I can’t put those concert experiences up there with Pink Floyd… I saw the Wall concert out in LA in 1980. Pretty awesome. Of course, a little mescaline helped that out as well.
By Jack
October 11, 2006 03:17 PM | Link to this
Well Renee’, he is worshipped like one. Children in the community want to be like him. Do you suppose they want to die like him? Cynthia McKinney loved him and tried to promote him in DC. I wanted to throw up.
By I Stand Corrected
October 11, 2006 03:19 PM | Link to this
Was that an accident, JBM, or a deliberate action with the plane flying into the building?????
By Chilao
October 11, 2006 03:22 PM | Link to this
Renee - trust me, your grandkids are not going to want to go with you to listen to some old foggie music anyway, to see some oldster named Ludacris live…LOL He was Playboy’s interview last month.
By SusieHomeMaker
October 11, 2006 03:23 PM | Link to this
Rock N Roll:
Six Feet Under lyrics Album: Maximum Violence [1999] Tracks 13
01 Feasting On The Blood Of The Insane
02 Bonesaw
03 Victim Of The Paranoid
04 Short Cut To Hell
05 No Warning Shot
06 War Machine
07 Mass Murder Rampage
08 Brainwashed
09 Torture Killer
10 This Graveyard Earth
11 Hacked To Pieces
12 Wrathchild
13 Jailbreak
Bonesaw
Bodies missing legs and arms
Head is crushed to a reddish pulp
Torso drained of blood and bile
Butchered rotted corpse defiled
Hand me the bonesaw
Time for dissection
Hand me the bonesaw
Begin the amputation
Dying slow and painfully
A gasping breath escapes from you
I rip the flesh and cut through bone
You are bleeding
Sawed your body parts away
Disgusting rotten stench surrounds
Gushing stumps are frayed and torn
Exposing cartilage and bone
Hand me the bonesaw
Time for dissection
Hand me the bonesaw
Begin the amputation
Dying slow and painfully
A gasping breath escapes from you
I rip the flesh and cut trough bone
Alive to watch your arms removed
Cutting - killing sawed to pieces
Jagged wounds in bodies naked
Scraping bone the marrow leaks
Mouth taped shut so you can’t scream
Saw blade binding cranial
Separate, coagulate, ripped to shreds
Vivisect, operate
Oh yeah, rap music is SO much worse talking about bit#hes and h0s.
Hand me the bonesaw
Time for dissection
Hand me the bonesaw
Begin the amputation
By I Stand Corrected
October 11, 2006 03:24 PM | Link to this
Oh I see now that it was a helicopter. They are notoriously unstable compared to airplanes, so could just be an accident.
By Renee
October 11, 2006 03:28 PM | Link to this
I love him too. He is arguably (sp) the best rapper ever.
What do you actually know about him, Jack?
By I Stand Corrected
October 11, 2006 03:28 PM | Link to this
OOps, cancel that date, Susie. If you’re listening to stuff like Maximium Violence, you might be too much woman for me.
By Jack
October 11, 2006 03:29 PM | Link to this
It felt good to be out of the rain.
By Chilao
October 11, 2006 03:29 PM | Link to this
Dairy and Beef are kept separately, association-wise.
National Cattlemen’s Beef A*’n(NCBA) takes care of the beef part, I am a member of the local state (Cattleman’s A*’n) one. Not too familiar with the dairy end, association-wise.
way to go, Lily-Toad. (LOL, watching him stage-strut)
By Just Being Me
October 11, 2006 03:30 PM | Link to this
They don’t know yet, but I’m betting an accident or mechanical failure.
By Just Being Me
October 11, 2006 03:33 PM | Link to this
Two bodies were just found…
By Chilao
October 11, 2006 03:34 PM | Link to this
how about the third Friday Movie, the fresh-out-of-the-joint con watching Tupac videos on TV? hilarious scene.
By Renee
October 11, 2006 03:36 PM | Link to this
LOL Chilao…I think you are right.
By Chilao
October 11, 2006 03:37 PM | Link to this
Friday After Next is the name of the movie, it also includes a squeeky 5’2”, 90-lb pimp.
By SusieHomeMaker
October 11, 2006 03:40 PM | Link to this
Some Tupac Lyrics (don’t worry he’s not talking about bit#hs and h0s — he talking about the problems of the ghetto)
Brenda’s got a Baby
I hear Brenda’s got a baby
Well, Brenda’s barely got a brain
A damn shame
Tha girl can hardly spell her name
(That’s not her problem, that’s up to Brenda’s family)
Well let me show ya how it affects the whole community
Now Brenda never really knew her moms
and her dad was a junky puttin death into his arm
It’s sad, cause I bet Brenda doesn’t even know
Just cause your in the ghetto doesn’t mean ya can’t grow
But oh, that’s a thought, my own revelation
Do whatever it takes to resist the temptation
Brenda got herself a boyfriend
Her boyfriend was her cousin, now lets watch the joy end
She tried to hide her pregnancy, from her family
Who didn’t really care to see, or give a damn if she
Went out and had a church of kids
As long as when tha check came they got first dibs
Now Brendas belly is gettin bigger
But no one seems ta notice any change in her figure
She’s 12 years old and she’s having a baby
In love with tha molester, whos sexed and crazy
And yet she thinks that he’ll be with her forever
And dreams of a world with tha two of them are together, whatever
He left her and she had tha baby solo
She had it on the bathroom floor and didn’t know so
She didn’t know, what ta throw away and what to keep
She wrapped the baby up and threw him in the trash heep
I guess she thought she’d get away, wouldn’t hear the cries She didn’t realize how much tha the little baby had her eyes
Now tha babys in the trash heep balling
Momma can’t help her, but it hurts to hear her calling Brenda wants ta run away, momma say, you makin’ me lose pay The social workers here everyday Now Brenda’s gotta make her own way
Can’t go to her family, they won’t let her stay
No money no babysitter, she couldn’t keep a job
She tried ta sell crack, but end up getting robbed
So now what’s next, there ain’t nothin left ta sell
So she sees sex as a way of leavin hell
It’s payin tha rent, so she really can’t complain
Prostitute, found slain, and Brenda’s her name, she’s got a baby
By I Stand Corrected
October 11, 2006 03:42 PM | Link to this
The other actor people occasionally say I resemble is Freddy Kreuger from Nightmare On Elm Street.
Do any of you look like a famous actor or actress? I’m pegging kimberly as looking just like Nicole Kidman, Jack. I don’t think Mara will be too upset to be compared to Reese Witherspoon. I already know that Susie looks just like “Julia”.
By SusieHomeMaker
October 11, 2006 03:43 PM | Link to this
OOps, cancel that date, Susie. If you’re listening to stuff like Maximium Violence, you might be too much woman for me.
LMAO!!
By I Stand Corrected
October 11, 2006 03:44 PM | Link to this
Lot of dairy farms out by Jersey, GA. Are you out there, Chilao? I actually still have one client who has a dariy farm out there.
By Lily Toad
October 11, 2006 03:45 PM | Link to this
Karl Rove did it to remind us to be afraid, very afraid.
By Renee
October 11, 2006 03:47 PM | Link to this
Yeah, Friday after next was cheesy, lol.
Katt Williams plays the pimp, his stand-up on HBO is hilarious.
By I Stand Corrected
October 11, 2006 03:48 PM | Link to this
Some of those babes on the Scream Awards show last night looked pretty tough also. If you guys missed the show, try to catch the rerun soon. It beat the crap out of any other awards show I ever saw before.
By FYI
October 11, 2006 03:51 PM | Link to this
Katt Williams (Friday After Next) Absolutely Hilarious. He’s touring as we speak and performs on PG comedy show on either MTV or BET.
By SusieHomeMaker
October 11, 2006 03:51 PM | Link to this
Friday after next was o.k. — the original however, still has me rolling.
By I Stand Corrected
October 11, 2006 03:53 PM | Link to this
I spent many an hour in horse barns growing up, Chilao, mainly shoveling manure. My old man was a gambler, and was heavily involved with horse racing. I placed my first bet at the old Atlantic City Race Track when I was about 11 years old. I’m sure I looked like I was 18 to the clerk (not!)
By lozen
October 11, 2006 03:55 PM | Link to this
Chilao, Arianna is right. Bush is a dry drunk! Anyone who knows anything about alcoholism knows that. Except maybe he isn’t really dry! AA has lots of literature about what dry drunks are like; read up and you will see. “Quest For Fire” is one of my faves also, and “Harold and Maude, “King of Hearts” with Alan Bates, “Frida,” “Chocolat” with Depp and Binoche, Legend of the Fall with Brad! with long hair. Watched “Original Sin” (Antonio and Angelina) last night for the third time in 10 days - in Spanish with english sub-titles. Understood some things I didn’t understand before. Antonio is my idea of the perfect man! The two of them together with a long scene in bed - wow! Where is that fan Jack?
By Mara
October 11, 2006 03:55 PM | Link to this
speaking of “old” rappers, saw a program either last night or night before about a whole group of native-Atlanta rappers getting together in an old College Park neighborhood to recreate Art Kanes fabulous Esquire portrait of Harlem Jazz Musicians in 1958.
Other than the well-spoken TLC girl, I couldn’t tell you who all was there. They introduced themselved but for the life of me I couldn’t understand 3/4 of what they said. :^(
Did see a lot of sideways peace signs though, kinda like the “scissors” in rock-paper-scissors, don’t know what that signifies either…
By SusieHomeMaker
October 11, 2006 03:59 PM | Link to this
JBM: I hope this was just a terrible accident; Im glad your family is fine, and I’ll say a prayer that there was no one in the building at the time and that no one else was seriously hurt.
By Renee
October 11, 2006 04:03 PM | Link to this
He’s on Wild N Out on MTV and he is hilarious.
Friday is absolutely the best ever!!!! Hilarious to this day. Next Friday is pretty funny too, but they took it too far with Friday after Next.
By Renee
October 11, 2006 04:07 PM | Link to this
Mara - they actually did that last year.
By Chilao
October 11, 2006 04:09 PM | Link to this
Lozen - how about the very early Banderas TieMeUp, TieMeDown? LOL
By Chilao
October 11, 2006 04:11 PM | Link to this
of course, Victoria Abril is who I remember from that movie. LOL. Although I had seen at least two of hers before I saw TMU,TMD.
By Chilao
October 11, 2006 04:18 PM | Link to this
Lozen - She also added with that dry drunk comment that while he may have stopped the drinking, he has not addressed, within himself, the underlying reasons for his addiction.
By Just Being Me
October 11, 2006 04:24 PM | Link to this
Thanks Susie!! That was so nice of you. :-)
By Chilao
October 11, 2006 04:25 PM | Link to this
Katt Williams is 5 feet 4 and 1/2 inches. My Bad. LOL
By Jack
October 11, 2006 04:27 PM | Link to this
Should the runnaway bride get the money? They sold the story for 500k. She should get 1/2 that and then the jilted groom should sue her for mental cruelty.
By SusieHomeMaker
October 11, 2006 04:28 PM | Link to this
Antonio is my idea of the perfect man!
oh yes, yes, yes YESSSS (ooops, Susie had an Antonio dream flash back. Please forgive me)
By halloween
October 11, 2006 05:33 PM | Link to this
http://blogshot.nl/halloween Halloween costume Halloween costume
By TramadoL15791
October 11, 2006 07:33 PM | Link to this
I feel like a complete blank, but I don’t care. Pfft. I’ve pretty much been doing nothing worth mentioning.
By TramadoL87304
October 12, 2006 03:38 AM | Link to this
I just don’t have anything to say , but shrug. So it goes. Not much on my mind recently. I can’t be bothered with anything recently.
By TramadoL89298
October 12, 2006 05:14 AM | Link to this
My mind is like a bunch of nothing, but I guess it doesn’t bother me. I haven’t been up to anything recently. I’ve pretty much been doing nothing to speak of.
By Alexa
October 12, 2006 08:58 AM | Link to this
I typically agree with Ms. Glass’s opinions, but not on this subject. Yes, rape is devestating despite the victims age or gender, but the type of person who would violate a child is a monster.
By SusieHomeMaker
October 12, 2006 09:00 AM | Link to this
SusieHomeMaker—we share the same birthday. Congrats kid! I turned 74 yesterday.
Lyzarel: I’m so sorry that I did not say the same to you yesterday……please forgive me!!! I was sitting in another long (read that as boring) meeting and every now and then for no apparent reason they call on me and ask my opinion, (which they promptly ignore), so I didn’t get a chance to say thank you and happy b day 2 u 2! 74!! WOW!! You type so young (smile) and your viewpoint is amazing. I love sitting down and talking to people who’ve been there and done that — I learn so much from their experience and they’re good for a lot of great jokes too!
Happy B Day Lyzarel — May you be blessed with many, many, more!!!
By lozen
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I don’t think I’ve seen TMU,TMD Chilao. Can I find it at Blockbuster or do I have to go to some sleazy place on Cheshire Bridge?
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October 12, 2006 10:27 AM | Link to this
Lozen - probably Netflix, it not considered a sleazy movie, an earlier Pedro Almodovar. Doubt Blockbuster would have it. I rented it, way back, at a place inclined to have many foreign films. Abril is a blonde in it, actually. KIKA is another good one of that pair(Abril/Almodovar).
You don’t suppose our Mongrel Dog tried to hump a moving car tire and miscalculated, do you?
By In Search of the Southern Cross
October 12, 2006 10:32 AM | Link to this
lozen, You can find TMU, TMD over at Movies Worth Seeing off of North Highlands. Their website is moviesworthseeing.com.
By In Search of the Southern Cross
October 12, 2006 10:34 AM | Link to this
No, not dead yet, Chilao. BUT, I feel a breeze, so I’m trying to get my sails ready.
When you see the Southern Cross For the first time You understand now Why you came this way ‘Cause the truth you might be runnin’ from Is so small. But it’s as big as the promise The promise of a comin’ day.
By Renee
October 12, 2006 10:34 AM | Link to this
LOL funny Chilao.
Today is my Friday!!!!
By In Search of the Southern Cross
October 12, 2006 10:36 AM | Link to this
Think about how many times
I have fallen
Spirits are using me
larger voices callin’.
What heaven brought you and me
Cannot be forgotten.
I have been around the world,
Lookin’ for that woma/girl,
Who knows love can endure.
And you know it will. And you know it will.
By In Search of the Southern Cross
October 12, 2006 10:37 AM | Link to this
So we cheated and we lied
And we tested
And we never failed to fail
It was the easiest thing to do.
You will survive being bested.
Somebody fine
Will come along
Make me forget about loving you.
At the Southern Cross.
By In Search of the Southern Cross
October 12, 2006 10:40 AM | Link to this
SO, if you guys can humor me for a few minutes, I’d like to say my goodbyes to the ghosts from my own mind I’ve met here in the personage of some of you.
By In Search of the Southern Cross
October 12, 2006 10:46 AM | Link to this
Many thanks to you Renee, I like your spirit. As a parting gift to you, I would like to share my holdem secrets with you.
Many people wrongly think that the answer to good holdem play lies in the cards and the mathematics. I use neither. It’s a people game, it’s all about patterns that people exhibit. As a result, I can usually guess the strength of my opponent’s hands, and how the value of their hand changes with each additional card revealed, strictly based on their “pattern” of play along with whatever “tells” they give me.
By In Search of the Southern Cross
October 12, 2006 10:53 AM | Link to this
In return, I practice an ancient japanese art while playing holdem which involves placing dots on a blank piece of paper in a way that creates NO PATTERN. It’s a very strange art form. This may sound easy to do, but remember how hard it was for Mara to continue misspelling words when she was trying to mock me. I believe she discovered that it’s easier for humans to spell words CORRECTLY than INCORRECTLY. So when I’m successful in creating NO PATTERN with my bets, no one can guess where I’m coming from. This gives me a big edge.
Of course, the Unabomber outfit helps as well. It really spooks people if you don’t speak except to announce your bets.
By In Search of the Southern Cross
October 12, 2006 10:55 AM | Link to this
But, like Chilao, you are ahead of me in life spiritually, so I have no more gifts for you. I do thank you greatly for your many gifts to me.
By In Search of the Southern Cross
October 12, 2006 11:03 AM | Link to this
Chilao, you’re a fun person to hang with and swap BS stories. Too bad I wasted my time on the Science stuff for BC’s benefit, I never got to tell you my best stories about working for Hess gas station and Domino’s Pizza. I also was a Ukrainian dancer for three years with a group called Zoria based out of Vineland, New Jersey. We traveled up and down the East Coast giving performances. My favorite was the Sword Dance using real Cossack swords. We had authentic costumes and boots from Russia. Of course, the real fun started after the show—free vodka and all those Latvian girls!!
By In Search of the Southern Cross
October 12, 2006 11:06 AM | Link to this
And speaking of Mara, I just want to say to her that I enjoyed our duet together: D-I-S-R-E-S-P-E-C-T. I think Aretha will be jealous when it hits the charts!
By In Search of the Southern Cross
October 12, 2006 11:10 AM | Link to this
And to SusieHomemaker: If I really had the chance to pick a dream date from the board, it would be you. I bet you’re a lot of fun on a date. And, most importantly (are you listening, kimberly?, the energy you create around you brings out the best in others. In the end, it’s all about chemistry, which is a two-way interaction. Many ladies I meet forget that. It’s all about them.
So, thanks for sharing your wonderful spirit here on the board. You truly have the “Beginner’s Mind” to which I aspire.
By In Search of the Southern Cross
October 12, 2006 11:15 AM | Link to this
Jack, I’m going to miss you also. For you, I just want to get something off my chest. Your generation (1950) was asked to make a sacrifice mine (1960) wasn’t. While you guys were dodging land mines, mine was watching The Gong Show. Because of this, in my book, you are owed something. Unfortunately, I finally realized that that kind of a debt can never be paid. In fact, it might be wrong to even try.
By In Search of the Southern Cross
October 12, 2006 11:19 AM | Link to this
So, that is why I will gladly take a bullet for you, buddy. Not to make up for anything, but to let you know how much I appreciate what you guys did. I can only imagine how you guys felt after coming home and all those Libs spit on, instead of giving you the welcome home hug you deserved. I salute you, Jack.
By In Search of the Southern Cross
October 12, 2006 11:22 AM | Link to this
See you guys in a while with a few last goodbyes. It’s gonna take me a while to figure out what to say to chuck, BC, and kimberly.
By lozen
October 12, 2006 11:51 AM | Link to this
You don’t suppose our Mongrel Dog tried to hump a moving car tire and miscalculated, do you? I was beginning to hope but … alas ;-)
By Chilao
October 12, 2006 12:16 PM | Link to this
Thanks, Dog, see you too have hope for evolving. LOL
That tire thing may have been the funniest thing I have said in awhile. I see dead dogs on the road all the time, so that may have helped in being able to create such great humour. (so thank you, thank you very much..LOL) I need to get a bumper sticker I do not brake for dogs.
You must be real proud of Vera Farmiga, Ukrainian-heritage actress from New Jersy, however I got the impression it was northern Jawsey. She the love interest in The Departed. Major hottie.
CITGO was the first major oil company to start the concept of what we today call the convenience store. Worked at one, after school(JC), when it was just a cooler and cigarettes. Closed up at 10p, did the tank-stick thing and balanced my shift. Londonderry, New Hampsha, I-93 exit.
By Jack
October 12, 2006 12:33 PM | Link to this
Thanks Dog.
By Chilao
October 12, 2006 12:38 PM | Link to this
Passaic County definitely northern New Jersey. (Vera Farmiga)
By kimberly
October 12, 2006 12:41 PM | Link to this
“Goodbye” will be wholly sufficient. I was almost getting misty-eyed and sentimental there, but then I remembered the truly NASTY, MEAN, VULGAR things he said to me.
By Jack
October 12, 2006 12:50 PM | Link to this
Hi Sweet Thing. :)
By Jack
October 12, 2006 01:06 PM | Link to this
Chilao. You never saw the bumper-sticker that says,”I speed up to run over small animals”?
By Mara
October 12, 2006 01:11 PM | Link to this
kimberly - whole-heartedly agree with your 12:41. In fact, I couldn’t have said it better.
By Chilao
October 12, 2006 01:34 PM | Link to this
You never saw the bumper-sticker that says,”I speed up to run over small animals”?
Nope, Good one, problem with that and my sticker is first you have to teach them to read AND run behind you, because otherwise it is way too late…LOL
By Jack
October 12, 2006 01:51 PM | Link to this
I was thinking. (scary)
It’s not good to be strictly liberal or strictly conservative. Must be a balance. If there were no liberal thinking, we would still be in the dark ages. If there were no conservative thinking, there would be massive fun and nothing would get done.
By lozen
October 12, 2006 02:00 PM | Link to this
The Law of Security goes something like this. It is almost a guarantee that in the pursuit of security you will become more insecure. Inherent in the quest for security is its undoing. Some recent examples: bomb Iraq to get rid of theoretical terrorists and manufacture thousands of potential terrorists in the process.
Send American soldiers into battle in Iraq to make the country secure, but refuse to spend any money on armor to make the soldiers secure, so that eighty per cent of those who receive upper body wounds die of wounds that could have been prevented. Declare war on Iraq to get rid of chemical weapons and end up using illegal chemical (incendiary devices) weapons that destroy the children you are saving. Secure democracy by using techniques of torture that not only thoroughly undermine democracy, but spread distrust, contempt, rage, and violence which will forever make democracy impossible. In securing freedom, rob citizens everywhere of their basic civil rights, imprison them without trial or recourse, hold them for as long as you like without charging them. Put them in invisible prisons in countries that you once claimed were responsible for Gulags. Wire-tap private citizens and by doing so expand presidential powers so they become Imperial Powers and strip the so-called democracy you were defending. Promise to liberate women through your occupation and invasion and in the process reverse their constitutional rights, rob them of protection, raise the levels of violence permitted towards them. Spend all of your money on security and end up with the hugest deficit ever, no healthcare for the majority of citizens, no protection against disasters, no vaccines for a potential flu plague. Make the world “secure” by spending all of your money on destroying things rather than creating — bomb rather than build, annihilate rather than feed. Focus your attention on imagined enemies who must be controlled or destroyed and in the process make them your real enemy. Rescue people from insane dictators by terrorizing them. Allow corporations to ransack countries you are, in theory, saving, making the majority of the people poor and sick and without resources, and then call them security threats, illegal combatants, terrorists, insurgents, when they rise up to fight you. Eve Ensler
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October 12, 2006 02:08 PM | Link to this
90% Bull
By Jack
October 12, 2006 04:27 PM | Link to this
I’ll talk to everyone week after next. the Mrs. and I are going to celebrate our 28th. Have a happy!
By Chilao
October 12, 2006 04:41 PM | Link to this
Funny, Jack, I will be nowhere near a computer next week as well. Hope people don’t start thinking you and I are the same person. LMAO (both absent, same week)
Have fun.
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October 13, 2006 07:13 AM | Link to this
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October 13, 2006 07:42 AM | Link to this
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During the course of the conversation I told her that I never wanted to exist in a vegetative state, dependent on some machine and taking fluids from a bottle.
She got up, unplugged the TV and threw out all my beer.
Sometimes it’s tough being married to a smartass.
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October 13, 2006 08:39 AM | Link to this
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