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Should people have premarital sex?
Diane Glass, a left-leaning columnist, writes the commentary this week and Shaunti Feldhahn, a right-leaning columnist, responds.
Diane Glass, a left-leaning columnist, writes the commentary this week and Shaunti Feldhahn, a right-leaning columnist, responds.
Commentary
Religious morality colors our notions about premarital sex, but this doesn’t make sex any less of a natural human drive. It just makes us look neurotic, especially when it relates to women. When you want to control the baby-makers, you make sex shameful and make anyone who has sex feel guilty.
This tactic worked for awhile, but sex today doesn’t always end in pregnancy, girls are no longer married off at 12 and women are less inclined to be vessels sustaining male lineage. As a result, liberal attitudes about premarital sex are evident in a younger generation. According to a 2004 PrimeTime Live survey, 70 percent of seniors disapprove of premarital sex as compared to a 71 percent approval rating for 18 to 29 years olds. And yet, there still remain females married to ideas about sexual purity. Call it the Stockholm syndrome some women suffer after years of patriarchal law.
I found one of these women on the “Independent” Women’s Forum website citing evidence about the “shame and confusion” some teenage girls feel after sex. But this article never considers the double standard at the core of this “shame and confusion.” Talk to most boys about their sexual partners and you’ll hear a shameless litany of conquests while girls – and grown women — quote low, single-digit partners.
Psssst. Someone is lying.
And here’s another lie: the referencing of questionable health statistics or abortion rates to divert the issue entirely. The logic goes: without commitment, sex results in unwanted pregnancies, leading to abortion. Therefore, premarital sex should be reduced. This logic would suggest that the most logical solution to reducing vehicular homicide is to go back to riding horses. But we haven’t saddled up and car accidents remain an untapped source of self-righteous contrition among conservatives.
The only serious discussion of co-ed virginity is promulgated by religious conservatives. They’re honest, at least: Sex is sacred and should be reserved for marriage. But they’re not stupid. They know any discussion around sex and religious faith will fall on deaf ears. Because without the religious window dressing, sex is, and shall remain, a basic human drive.
Rebuttal
Okay, so let me make sure I have this straight. Women in the “if it feels good, do it,” camp have been liberated from shame and guilt (fostered, of course, by those patronizing, patriarchical men). But women who happen to believe that there are good analytical reasons to refrain from extra-marital sex are suffering from mental illness.
Remind me again why that is any less patronizing?
The truth is that although extra-marital sex and cohabitation are almost expected today, it turns out there were reasons why our fuddy-duddy forefathers (ahem, and mothers) knew it was wise to abstain. Several recent studies, including one outlined in Maggie Gallagher and Linda Waite’s book The Case for Marriage, demonstrate conclusively that those who chose to live together in a sexual relationship before marriage are much more likely to divorce later. And others have found that those in unmarried sexual relationships are also far more likely to be victims of domestic violence, infidelity, depression, and even poorer health – presumably because they are more willing to put up with unhealthy behaviors. (Who knew that spousal nagging was actually good for you?)
There’s no getting around the fact that as casual as people are about sex today, it’s really not a casual thing. Sure we can treat it casually, but that doesn’t mean that our bodies, minds and emotions will avoid the ramifications of overriding our sexual wiring.
Sex is an intimate act with intimate physical, mental and emotional consequences – and most of those consequences end up being negative outside of marriage and positive inside of marriage. Once we hop into bed outside of marriage, for example, we run a far greater risk of contracting a disease we’ll never be rid of. Or we risk the confusion of wanting to find that perfect mate, but never really knowing if we can trust someone who wants the fun without the commitment. Never really knowing if what we’re thinking about someone is wisdom talking…or hormones.
Inside marriage, sure, there are other issues; but instead of confusion and disquiet, sex creates an intimate one-ness that helps overcome those issues. And that one distinction means everything.
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By Denise noe
April 24, 2006 07:14 AM | Link to this
Sex is indeed a “natural human drive.” However, humans are also called “the rational animal” and it has aptly been said that nature is what we are to rise above. The consequences of sexual behavior are enormous and inevitably impact third parties. Sex leads to problem pregnancies that can end with children who are ill cared for and often impoverished or gruesome abortions (and recognizing the gruesome nature of abortion doesn’t necessarily mean you have to believe it should be illegal). Sex has spread a multitude of ugly diseases, some of which are life-threatening. People, both men and women, can abstain for sex is a desire not a need. Marriage should not be touted as a kind of cure all for the problems associated with sex and people shouldn’t enter marriage with a primary expectation of sexual activity. Sex within marriage can be exploitive and ugly. A married woman wrote to Dear Abby and stated, “Sex can be awkward, boring, sweaty, and just plain painful.” Another married woman wrote to this same columnist, “My husband is only interested in eating, sleeping, and sex (especially sex). Tell young women that the only thing a man is good for is his paycheck.” Men have gone to prison for raping their wives. What’s more, while marriage will be a way out of celibacy for some people, it will be the way into it for others. The marriage of Alfred Hitchcock and his wife Alma ceased being sexually active when her pregnancy with their first and only child began to show because the girth turned Alfred off. However, their sexless marriage endured and was fruitful as Alma was a true collaborator in some of his films. Carol Channing has said her 40-year-marriage included two instances of sexual activity. I know a woman whose husband-to-be warned her before the wedding: “You better watch out because I’m a hot-blooded Italian!” They had sex roughly once every six months. You could practically set the calendar by it. However, the marriage has lasted. Married or single, people don’t die because they abstain. In getting married, people should be aware that they may be getting a steady sexual partner — or a roommate.
By Jennifer
April 24, 2006 07:58 AM | Link to this
I stand as an example of one college student who has abstained from more than sex. I am not denying myself anything. I am free while the girl next to me is bound to her obsession with making herself sexually appealing to whoever her next partner may be. I am in a relationship, one that will remain sexually (and that doesn’t just mean intercourse) pure until our marriage day. When we make our physical attraction to one another most important, we doom ourselves to a relationship with a person we hardly know (aside from the curves of his/her body). According to what I read above, sex outside of marriage is okay as long as there is committment. Who are you kidding? High school and college students don’t care about committment! They are enthralled with these new hormones that make them feel good! They aren’t mature enough to keep themselves out of situations that may lead to sex, especially when they want it! In the heat of the moment, they don’t care if they remember his/her name! As the in-house “naive” girl, I have been told by numerous “experienced” girls that I should NEVER lose my “innocence” as they keep doing what they are doing. They obviously don’t see themselves as someone who is innocent, and what else is left excet guilt? In addition, if you are willing to make the commitment, what stops you from marrying the person. I mean if you really are committed? Or is it possible that one still might be afraid of missing out on other opportunities? Sex is not about self-gratification; it’s about love, the consummation of a covenant. My beau can show me no greater love than his commitment to make his wife the ONLY person he shares such a special experience with…as one who anticipates that role, I am more than grateful. Self-control is true strength.
By Renee
April 24, 2006 08:13 AM | Link to this
Is it just me, or is this the most asinine topic.
Could it be personal choice? Don’t believe in it, don’t do it. Believe in it, do it.
I can’t believe Diane AND Shaunti were able to compile a long commentary and rebuttal on this.
By candide
April 24, 2006 08:21 AM | Link to this
Diane should have refused to answer this Fascist question. Whose business is it if people have sex, before, during, or after marriage? Only the business of those involved. These Christian Fascists are not satisfied with their own narrow, embittered, neurotic lives; they want everyone else as miserable as they are.
Kill a Christian, Save America!
By Jennifer
April 24, 2006 08:23 AM | Link to this
It’s just you.
By Renee
April 24, 2006 08:27 AM | Link to this
I doubt that Jennifer, I seriously doubt that. It’s a personal choice decision, one that does not involve anyone outside of the people making the decisions.
Where is everybody today????
By candide
April 24, 2006 08:30 AM | Link to this
It’s time recognize Christian belief as a severe mental disorder, dangerous for children and for society. We need to begin building detention centers for Christians, starting with evangelicals. We can get the conservative Catholics later on — they can wait til the hot gospellers are dealt with first.
By Whiley
April 24, 2006 08:33 AM | Link to this
Jennifer, what you are doing is dangerous. You’re going to wait till you are married to find out your spouse is the worst lover in the Southeast? Your going to wait till it’s too late that your partner can only last 45 seconds? Your going to wait till you’re already married to find out it’s only 2 inches?
By Tim
April 24, 2006 08:46 AM | Link to this
Jennifer good for you… I commend your choice and actually following through with it… but don’t be so pious… others don’t share your beliefs… like someone already stated if you believe in waiting then wait… if you don’t then have sex when you want
By Atlanta-Fan
April 24, 2006 08:48 AM | Link to this
My girlfriend and her fiance abstained from sex until they were married (in the 70s) and she found out that he just wasn’t that interested in sex - with her - because he was gay!
By Jack
April 24, 2006 09:04 AM | Link to this
You should try out the car before buying.
By GOB
April 24, 2006 09:05 AM | Link to this
What is the over/under on the first bible passage/reference on this subject??
I am going with 11:18am today.
By Jack
April 24, 2006 09:15 AM | Link to this
10:05am or before.
By Julia
April 24, 2006 09:23 AM | Link to this
What’s the first over/under on how fast everything Christian will be viciously attacked.
Oh wait…candide already took care of that at 8:21am. Must be some sort of new record.
By Renee
April 24, 2006 09:24 AM | Link to this
Jack, I’m with you lol.
By Jack
April 24, 2006 09:29 AM | Link to this
He is usually first for that.
By GOB
April 24, 2006 09:32 AM | Link to this
Julia - That is standard Monday morning for him…Like clockwork.
By Julia
April 24, 2006 09:34 AM | Link to this
Jack-you mean “candide” is a “he”???
By Chilao
April 24, 2006 09:37 AM | Link to this
Renee said it best at 8:13, the first two lines. wait, all of it, three lines. certainly not a yes/no answer there either.
this whole preoccupation with sex, women bleed blood, and give birth, big mystery AND since it is such a basic need, best be regulated. plus we know what happens when you breed with your relatives. the offspring don’t learn math easily and might be less-than-pleasant to look at. LOL
and that HotBlooded Italiano probably getting some elsewhere. LOL
Like Islamics needing to wash with water all the time. Could not be ‘rub with plentiful sand’, no, it has to be ‘wash with scare-resource water’ for whatever infraction of the religious laws.
after all, if your sexuality and sexual activities are controlled, we well on our way to fuller control of you. at least we have evolved beyond the right hand/left hand thing, for what is permissable with each hand.
By Jack
April 24, 2006 09:40 AM | Link to this
I think so Julia. Correct me if I’m wrong Candide.
By Billy
April 24, 2006 09:44 AM | Link to this
I say you should definitely have sex before marriage. The reason? The Bible.
Deuteronomy 22:28-29 states that if a man rapes a virgin, he is to pay her father ad then marry the girl. Ladies, do you want to marry your rapist? No? Then you had better not be a virgin when he rapes you.
Not how you were expecting the Bible to play into it, huh?
By The72John
April 24, 2006 09:46 AM | Link to this
Did Shaunti really suggest our Founding Fathers were paragons of sexual virtue? Please! They were randy little bastards who couldn’t keep it in their pants!
Here’s the thing - the halcyon days of sexual abstinence and perfect virtue that Shaunti and her fellow conservatives love to wax sentimental about are a myth. They never happened. People have been banging each other inside and outside of marriage for about as long as we’ve been walking upright, and anyone who thinks otherwise is deluding himself. Or herself, in Shaunti’s case.
MAYBE a valid question would be “What are the consequences of sex outside a committed relationship” or “Does promiscuous sex with anonymous partners cheapen sexual identity”. But “should we have premarital sex” is a silly question and one that is specifically designed to promote Shaunti’s conservative Christian agenda.
Sorry, Julia. Hope you don’t perceive that as an attack on your majority religion that controls the entire government.
By Renee
April 24, 2006 09:50 AM | Link to this
ROFLMAO - hilarious Billy!!!
By Chilao
April 24, 2006 09:56 AM | Link to this
Historians went back and analyzed birth records and marriages in Puritan Massachusetts, early/mid 1700/s, pre USA/Revolutionary War. They found 30 percent of Puritan brides were pregnant at the time of marriage. Unknown of course is whether the marriage happened because she WAS pregnant, or she became pregnant because the couple was already engaged and she finally relented.
but it did indicate the Puritans were certainly less Pure than we have been led to believe. After all, there is nothing like doing it in a meadow, in the Great Outdoors, tall grass all around. Some of you know what I am talking about. LOL
By Billy
April 24, 2006 10:01 AM | Link to this
“…those who chose to live together in a sexual relationship before marriage are much more likely to divorce later. And others have found that those in unmarried sexual relationships are also far more likely to be victims of domestic violence, infidelity, depression, and even poorer health – presumably because they are more willing to put up with unhealthy behaviors.”
There is no evidence of causality in anything Shaunti cited. You know who’s least likely to get divorced? People who never get married. It’s an argument that’s completely devoid of logic. It’s almost like saying that black people like chicken and the leading cause of death of young black men is homicide, so people who don’t eat chicken are less likely to die. Not only is it illogical, but it’s also racist. You, Shaunti, are a racist!
Good day!
By Archie
April 24, 2006 10:01 AM | Link to this
First of all this is a question I asked JBM weeks ago and it’s kind of ironic that it’s now a topic. It just shows that Diane and Shanti do read our posts. As a christian I should advocate abstaining but as a man I don’t know what to tell people except to say that a lot of problems can come from premarital sex such as sex addiction. Sex addiction is a direct result of engaging in some type of sexual activity outside of marriage. People spend excess money for videos,magazines,strip clubs, and brothels and then they have to spend more money to get cured. I know that people want to feel compatible and people just plain want to have sex but when you look at the child support issues,emotional issues,disease issues,etc. it comes back to premarital sex. There is no one answer that fits all but for some premarital sex should not be an option.
By Julia
April 24, 2006 10:01 AM | Link to this
72-It’s ok. I don’t see your comment as an attack. And for the record, I don’t give two hoots for the “Religious Right” (whatever that is) and trying to control the government. Religion and politics don’t mix in my opinion. Now that doesn’t mean you can discriminate against a candidate because they are a particular religion.
By Swangirl
April 24, 2006 10:05 AM | Link to this
Sex is and always has been a private matter and a matter of choice. I’m not about to tell people how to make that choice, especially not in an editorial.
I’m one of those fossils who waited to have sex until she was married. Yep. I got married three years ago at the age of 34. He was 24 and also a virgin. We call ourselves the statistical impossibility. And no, I didn’t require that he be a virgin or he require it of me. It just happened that way.
Do I regret waiting? No. Was it difficult? Yes. But for me (and I can only speak for myself), it was the best decision. During my single years, I never had to worry about STDs or the emotional hell of sleeping with someone who didn’t really care about me. I was able to enjoy my wedding night knowing that he was the first and we had nothing to worry about. It was fantastic!
I don’t consider myself somehow superior for waiting. I just know it was the best choice for me personally.
By Kenya
April 24, 2006 10:12 AM | Link to this
I am a twenty four year old non-virgin and have never contracted a disease. Having pre-marital sex does not mean you lack self-control. I speak as one of those “immature” college students who engaged in pre-marital sex and had two beautiful children while in college pursuing my BA degree. My children are happy, healthy and full of life with two parents that love them like crazy even though we are no longer together. We both spend time with our children separately and collectively and they have not been neglected nor robbed of anything by us no longer being together. Divorce rates continue to soar, Spouses cheat and bring the diseases home while living under the same roof as their children and these children have to endure the confusion of why there is so much turmoil in the household b/w mommy and daddy. And Renee its not just you. This topic is rhetorical at best and asinine at worst and redundant at obvious.
By SavageNationalist
April 24, 2006 10:12 AM | Link to this
Candide, you’re obviously a hardcore America-hating, Marxist heathen. No doubt you have a portrait of Lennin next to the USSR/CCCP flag in your midtown loft. It’s socialist vermin like yourself that are ruining this great Nation founded on Judeo-Christian values by our forefathers. Only unthinking sheeple buy into this “immorality-choice” = freedom pitch…a lie fabricated & sold en-masse by the far left. I submit it subversives like yourself (& your seditious ACLU breathren) who should be interned for the safety of real, true Americans!
By The72John
April 24, 2006 10:13 AM | Link to this
I don’t consider myself somehow superior for waiting. I just know it was the best choice for me personally
Best comment so far.
By Jennifer
April 24, 2006 10:14 AM | Link to this
I’m terribly sorry if my comment was pushy. Horrible that I’m pushing my beliefs on everyone else…I guess no one else is doing that, huh? Pious? Not even close…yes, I have made a decision that affects my entire single life, but don’t think for one second that I claim it as an easy one or one that I don’t have to remake everyday. I’ll admit I’m a human like everyone else. I simply choose to cultivate self-control in my life and not chalk everything up to “instinct” or “our animal nature”. Fascist? Funny how Christians are the only ones who make close-minded ignorant comments, I wonder what you call them when a non-Christian makes them.
P.S. Tim, I appreciate your respectful disagreement; I really do.
By kimberly
April 24, 2006 10:14 AM | Link to this
Hahahaha! HAHAHA! Hahahaha! STOP IT! Hahahahahaha! {:-D
By The72John
April 24, 2006 10:18 AM | Link to this
Candide, you’re obviously a hardcore America-hating, Marxist heathen. No doubt you have a portrait of Lennin next to the USSR/CCCP flag in your midtown loft. It’s socialist vermin like yourself that are ruining this great Nation founded on Judeo-Christian values by our forefathers. Only unthinking sheeple buy into this “immorality-choice” = freedom pitch…a lie fabricated & sold en-masse by the far left. I submit it subversives like yourself (& your seditious ACLU breathren) who should be interned for the safety of real, true Americans
What a tool.
By Jewish and Proud of It
April 24, 2006 10:18 AM | Link to this
Speaking in generalities, it seems as if people in this country are obsessed with sex (again, generally) on both sides of the spectrum. On the one hand, you have those that want to regulate it (the religious right) and then on the other hand, you’ve got people who say “no holds barred” sex whenever, with whomever, however you want it… In Israel, except with the Orthodox rabbinical and their following, sex just isn’t that big a deal…it happens, it doesn’t happen. Who cares?
By Tim
April 24, 2006 10:22 AM | Link to this
Jennifer… and I honestly commend what you’re doing and what swan girl did (I apologize that my post came out like it did… I do respect what you did)
I obviously didn’t wait until marriage but I did wait until I was with the person that I wanted to share that first experience with… we may not be together now but I don’t regret my decision one bit… as I’m sure Jennifer and swan girl don’t regret theirs
totally off subject… if any of y’all out there know who and like Leslie Jordan (Beverly Leslie on Will and Grace… Karen’s short little nemesis/friend)… his one man show “Like a Dog on Linoleum” is HILARIOUS… I highly recommend it!!
By kimberly
April 24, 2006 10:24 AM | Link to this
JaP, according to some friends of mine who have visited Israel, it was um… hee hee hee actually a VERY big deal, Hahahaha! and um… an exquisite thrill to be remembered and cherished for a lifetime. {;->
By SavageNationalist
April 24, 2006 10:27 AM | Link to this
The72John….what an articulate rebuttal! Par for the course for a two-bit, liberal guttersnipe.
By Jewish and Proud of It
April 24, 2006 10:29 AM | Link to this
Why thank you Kimberly, perhaps your friend knows me…hehe
By Jack
April 24, 2006 10:31 AM | Link to this
Hi Sweet Thing.
By kimberly
April 24, 2006 10:31 AM | Link to this
To the Virgins, to make much of Time
GATHER ye rosebuds while ye may, Old Time is still a-flying: And this same flower that smiles to-day To-morrow will be dying.
The glorious lamp of heaven, the sun, The higher he ‘s a-getting, The sooner will his race be run, And nearer he ‘s to setting.
That age is best which is the first, When youth and blood are warmer; But being spent, the worse, and worst Times still succeed the former.
Then be not coy, but use your time, And while ye may, go marry: For having lost but once your prime, You may for ever tarry.
Robert Herrick
By Jewish and Proud of It
April 24, 2006 10:34 AM | Link to this
In all seriousness though Kimberly. That is what I’m talking about. Whoever did hook up with your friend probably did not make a big deal out of it to his friends. “Yeah dude you won’t believe it! I hooked up with this American chick last weekend and it was AWESOME!” You rarely hear about it when it happens, whereas, upon your friend’s return to the States, that’s probably the first thing she told you about…
By Joseph
April 24, 2006 10:35 AM | Link to this
Tim,
I saw his show last summer…I’ve never laughed so hard…especially about the sisters that owned the farm.
I think you have to be from the south, or lived here awhile, to get a lot of his humor though :).
He was out at the Piedmont Park Canine Cotillion also this weekend doing charity work for PALS.
By The72John
April 24, 2006 10:35 AM | Link to this
The72John….what an articulate rebuttal! Par for the course for a two-bit, liberal guttersnipe
There is no purpose in rebutting the neo-nazi ramblings of someone whose sole understanding of the political system comes from listening to Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh. Given that the totality of your argument involves calling people who disagree with you various names, which I assume you believe are clever, there is, in fact, very little to rebut.
People who rave about “dirty liberals” at the slightest provocation don’t have the wit to engage in actual conversation. I think you are lost - shouldn’t you be on the Lukovich blog with all the other ranting members of the lunatic fringe?
By kimberly
April 24, 2006 10:39 AM | Link to this
Gotta love that good ol’ American enthusiasm!
By Jack
April 24, 2006 10:41 AM | Link to this
“upon your friend’s return to the States, that’s probably the first thing she told you about…”
Yea, no doubt.
By Julia
April 24, 2006 10:41 AM | Link to this
Savage Nationalist-you have no idea what you’ve just done.
There’s no way 72 John will let you get away with that!
By Whiley
April 24, 2006 10:42 AM | Link to this
“Then be not coy, but use your time, And while ye may, go marry: For having lost but once your prime, You may for ever tarry.”
huh??
By Chilao
April 24, 2006 10:44 AM | Link to this
People who do not understand what the ACLU does for ALL Americans, misses the point of both America AND the ACLU and is probably better off in some Taliban-government type of place.
Oh, forgive me, that is EXACTLY what they want for the USA. SNORT!
By Tim
April 24, 2006 10:45 AM | Link to this
Joseph,
That is by FAR the best part of the show!! I don’t think I have ever laughed so hard!!! You definitely do have to understand Southern culture to get a lot of the jokes… but my partner is not from the South and he laughed as much as I did (I did have to explain a couple things to him after the show though)
he seems to be such a nice and genuine person… we spoke to him for a minute after the show and you can tell he is one of those people who have a really good heart
By kimberly
April 24, 2006 10:49 AM | Link to this
Whiley, to translate: “Git it while the gittin’s good! You never know how much time you’ll have, and if you get old, you’ll have plenty of time to NOT be getting it then.” But I thought Mr. Herrick said it much better.
By Chilao
April 24, 2006 10:50 AM | Link to this
is that Emily Dickinson? sounds it, do we know if she ever had a lover?
By Chilao
April 24, 2006 10:53 AM | Link to this
oh Robert Herrick; quick read = lack of comprehension skills. LOL
By Whiley
April 24, 2006 10:54 AM | Link to this
I LOVE IT kimberly ! lol
By SavageNationalist
April 24, 2006 10:54 AM | Link to this
The72John……of course anyone who doesn’t embrace your secularist, humanist viewpoints is an ignorant, uninformed, Neanderthal. Your default response is nothing more than standard leftist rhetoric from someone who is a blind follower of Air America, Michael Moore, Sean Penn and other such “intellectual” giants. My initial post was taking issue with Candide’s unprovoked attack on people of faith. I felt such a venomous post deserved a similar rebuttal. Regarding premarital sex, of course it’s everyone’s own choice, but don’t condemn those who hold it immoral on religious beliefs.
By The72John
April 24, 2006 11:03 AM | Link to this
People who do not understand what the ACLU does for ALL Americans, misses the point of both America AND the ACLU and is probably better off in some Taliban-government type of place
Exactly. What is freedom, if not the ability to make choices that that majority may deem unacceptable? Isn’t that what MAKES America a great nation? The ultra-right plays lip-service to freedom, but they fail to understand it.
Anyone who bashes the ACLU lacks a fundamental understanding of the country they claim to be such proud citizens of. Yes, the ACLU defends some causes that most people find ludicrous, or silly, or even offensive. But they are absolutely unbiased when it comes to defending the constitution. They are as apt to defend a church and its rights as they are to defend an atheist.
It’s easier, however, to condemn them because they have the courage to stand up for the Constitution, even when such a stance is not always popular.
By Jack
April 24, 2006 11:04 AM | Link to this
Now what can we do to prevent pre-marital sex? Nothing. You can teach abstinence until blue in the face, use chasity belts, lock them in a closet, nothing will work. Does anyone think the media would do anything to help prevent it? They promote it. Daily. Remember the teens in Rockdale county? Yea, there is as much of a chance preventing pre-marital sex as there is a way to prevent crime in the city of Atlanta. It ain’t gonna happen.
By Archie
April 24, 2006 11:06 AM | Link to this
“There is no purpose in rebutting the neo-nazi ramblings of someone whose sole understanding of the political system comes from listening to Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh”
72John I know someone like that. I was in shock to know a “brother” like that but such is life.
Jennifer do your thing.
By The72John
April 24, 2006 11:12 AM | Link to this
of course anyone who doesn’t embrace your secularist, humanist viewpoints is an ignorant, uninformed, Neanderthal. Your default response is nothing more than standard leftist rhetoric from someone who is a blind follower of Air America, Michael Moore, Sean Penn and other such “intellectual” giants
I don’t believe that everyone who disagrees with me is an idiot. I do believe that anyone who responds in the canned shock-radio fashion represented by your post is an idiot. You certainly have nothing original or constructive to add.
What’s even more laughable is that you CONTINUE to do nothing but regurgitate standard Limbaugh/Hannity talking points. Michael Moore, Sean Penn, Air America…blah, blah, blah. And all the while, you accuse ME of canned responses.
Yes, we understand. Secular humanism is bad…religious extremism is good. Anyone who isn’t a right-wing fanatic is, of necessity, a Communist-Pinko-Markist-Socialist. We’ve heard it all before. It meaningless, it’s unoriginal, and frankly, it’s boring and predictable.
Do you have specific issues that you want to discuss, or do you want to continue to rant and rave about generalities? Why do I suspect that when pressed for specifics you will find yourself unable to continue in civil fashion?
By lozen
April 24, 2006 11:17 AM | Link to this
Age really does bring with it a different perspective about many things. What the heck is the big deal? This is 2006 and we have birth control, sex education, etc. If some people are too dumb to educate themselves and do what they need to do, well, there’s no way to force people to be smart. This is totally about controlling women. How in the world did they ever let those birth control pills slip through the FDA! They learned their lesson though, and they’ve put their food down on the morning after pill! We must keep our women pure and untouched until they’re married! If we don’t, women may realize there are fantastic sexual possibilities out there, if you can just find them! Have to kiss a lot of frogs, etc…..There has never been such silliness about men remaining virgins… never, ever, ever. It’s hard to even think the two words in the same sentence: “Men should remain virgins until they’re married.” Yeah, right! The best sex I ever had was with a man I would never consider marrying. We were incompatible in every way except sexually and our love of travel! It was so much fun! It would have been a big mistake for us to marry, but the sex was truly a religious experience and I wouldn’t have missed it for anything. (I was in my thirties at the time, divorced, and perfectly capable of making my own decisions about my sexuality, thank you.) Get over it religious puritans. The world has changed. You would have to do something truly drastic to take away the freedom women have found due to BC pills. Nothing we do comes without some possibility of harm. “Do not ever drive until your married. You could have a flat and there would be noone to fix it for you!” (Insert personal testimony from a woman who believed it was wrong to drive a car before she was married. “I’m so glad I waited. My friend Gail broke the rules and was involved in an accident. Her leg was broken and she didn’t walk for six months. I know I was right to wait to drive until I was married!”) People in other countries, without our puritan heritage, probably enjoy sex a lot more than americans. The attitude toward the body and sexuality in other countries is much more enlightened.
By Billy
April 24, 2006 11:23 AM | Link to this
“People in other countries, without our puritan heritage, probably enjoy sex a lot more than americans.”
They don’t enjoy it more than I do!
By Randy
April 24, 2006 11:26 AM | Link to this
I saw the movie “The Sentinel” this weekend and Keifer Sutherland had an interesting quote, which I believe to be true. He said “You can’t use to gut feeling on this case as you will ignore all the other evidence and only see the evidence that confirms your GUT FEELING”. Isn’t that what we do as believers and non-believers?? We believers have had a life changing experience thru Jesus Christ and we see the evidence to that effect. Non-believers haven’t had a life changing experience so they see what they want to see. Nothing wrong with either, but the fact we believers see the evidence proves it exists(in my book). Comments.
By lozen
April 24, 2006 11:26 AM | Link to this
Some things need saying more than once: By Chilao April 24, 2006 10:44 AM | Link to this People who do not understand what the ACLU does for ALL Americans, (such as savagenationalist) misses the point of both America AND the ACLU and is probably better off in some Taliban-government type of place. Oh, forgive me, that is EXACTLY what they want for the USA. SNORT!
Priceless!
By Whiley
April 24, 2006 11:28 AM | Link to this
DITTO DITTO EVERYTHING LOZEN SAID ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
By Jack
April 24, 2006 11:29 AM | Link to this
“but the sex was truly a religious experience and I wouldn’t have missed it for anything.”
Did you yell, “Oh God” ?
By Randy
April 24, 2006 11:32 AM | Link to this
I think not having sex is somthing from the bible(most of the time). Here God is just trying to protect us, sex is fun however outside the walls of marriage I think all of us would agree it can hurt us. Namely, diseases, unwanted pregnancies, emotional pain, reducing some womens self esteem. Without some kind of guidelines, we become like wild dogs, anything in heat. I’ll use a movie line, “Mass hysteria, dogs and cats living together”. Sex is great, again God is trying to protect us, why else would he care?
By kimberly
April 24, 2006 11:35 AM | Link to this
In French: “Mon Deur!” In German: “Gott in Himmel!” In Spanish: “Oh, BABY!” Hahahaha!
Watch out Gurrrlfriends. Chuckie will be along soon to tell us we’re all going to burn in hell for utilizing our God-given talents and appreciation.
By Jack
April 24, 2006 11:38 AM | Link to this
“we believers see the evidence”
What evidence? Please.
By The72John
April 24, 2006 11:39 AM | Link to this
I think all of us would agree it can hurt us
Why do you always do this, Randy? You take a topic that people are CLEARLY disagreeing on and say “I think we can all agree that…(Insert whatever Randy believes is true here).
We DON’T all agree, Randy…that’s why we’re DISCUSSING this. We don’t all agree that pre-marital sex is bad. We don’t all agree that God is trying to “protect us”. We don’t all agree that your perception of God is accurate.
So stop saying “I think was can all agree” when it isn’t true.
By FatMoose
April 24, 2006 11:41 AM | Link to this
but don’t condemn those who hold it immoral on religious beliefs.
It this not the problem with the fanatics?
What this statement that we have heard repeatidly actually states is Do not condemn those who condemn?
Circular games anyone?
By Jewish and Proud of It
April 24, 2006 11:41 AM | Link to this
Sex is biological, it feels great so people (and animals) will do it…so we can keep advancing the species. When you throw out the all the rest of the hoohah that’s what it all boils down to.
By Billy
April 24, 2006 11:42 AM | Link to this
Randy, you totally mistook the meaning of that quote.
You want to talk about ignoring evidence, who did you vote for in the last presidential election?
By SavageNationalist
April 24, 2006 11:44 AM | Link to this
The72John, canned response??! You’re the one who initially alluded to the radio talk-shows! I simply countered your childish banter appropriately. It’s obvious there’s no point in debating with someone as dismissive of reality as yourself. I’ll leave you to the intellectual & morally bankrupt gutters with your fellow Bolsheviks on this post.
By lozen
April 24, 2006 11:45 AM | Link to this
Good for you Billy! But how do you know that? Many people have deep anxiety and guilt about sexuality in this country. (Probably more females than males.) How can we not, when we’re subjected from day one to mothers and advice columnists and books written for teenage girls telling us we should keep our sexuality sitting on the shelf (like all my grandmother’s canned peaches!) until just the right moment? Then after the wedding we’re supposed to turn off the anxiety and the guilt and jump in and enjoy it so much. Then there’s the ignorance factor. We don’t talk about it. I dated a 33 year old man who did not know where a woman’s c****** is! Needless to say, we didn’t date for long! Sexual frustration is why some people become fundamentalists and quote the rules and regulations constantly. I will bet you money a certain male who posts on here all the time experiences guilt and anxiety about sex even though he is married! Women are either good and pure (and don’t enjoy sex) or they are bad and slutty and do enjoy sex. How can a man sully such goodness and purity even in the marriage bed without guilt?
By Jack
April 24, 2006 11:47 AM | Link to this
Ok Billy let’s use this topic to somehow slam Bush. Tell us, was 9-11 Bush’s fault? How bout global warming? That must be his fault too.
By The72John
April 24, 2006 11:47 AM | Link to this
The72John, canned response??! You’re the one who initially alluded to the radio talk-shows! I simply countered your childish banter appropriately. It’s obvious there’s no point in debating with someone as dismissive of reality as yourself. I’ll leave you to the intellectual & morally bankrupt gutters with your fellow Bolsheviks on this post
Hmm…a retreat, just as I expected.
No substance. A lot of bluster.
By lozen
April 24, 2006 11:48 AM | Link to this
Jack, you don’t miss a thing do ya?
By Chilao
April 24, 2006 11:49 AM | Link to this
would women and many men, for that matter, have such difficulties with sexuality, if our culture did not (religiously-inspired) shame it so?
Luckily I was not raised with the Shame stuff and pity those who were. Sure, I was raised it was to be a God-given thing, but my parents missed the Shame indoctrination. I always like my parents concept that humans were the only species that did the missionary, so it must mean something Special, it being eye-to-eye and all that, until I pointed out that lions do the missionary position as well. No one could answer me when I asked if Lions were going to heaven too, and if they were, what would they eat, since those little tasty lambs were out of the question, per the pictures. LMAO
so many questions from such a young child. LOL
By Chilao
April 24, 2006 11:51 AM | Link to this
Bolsheviks?
taboga back under a new name? wonder how he likes filling up that Lincoln Navigator nowadays? LOL
By lozen
April 24, 2006 11:52 AM | Link to this
savagenationalist, duh. 72john said you wouldn’t be able to debate with any intelligence and he was right! ..your fellow Bolsheviks? Is this 2006? randy, please stop saying, I think we all can agree!” I do not agree with anything you say, bless your heart!
By Jewish and Proud of It
April 24, 2006 11:54 AM | Link to this
I’ll leave you to the intellectual & morally bankrupt gutters with your fellow Bolsheviks on this post
Since when did this become Moscow?
I read somewhere that Republicans claim that they have better sex lives than Democrats and that claim has been trumpeted by some conservatives that I’ve talked to. What do you guys think?
By Chilao
April 24, 2006 11:58 AM | Link to this
JAP - Republicans are kinkier, especially with hookers. or so I have heard. (“Kink” being relative and all that but….)
By The72John
April 24, 2006 11:59 AM | Link to this
I read somewhere that Republicans claim that they have better sex lives than Democrats and that claim has been trumpeted by some conservatives that I’ve talked to. What do you guys think
Well, they say the crazier you are, the better you are in bed…I bet that Anne Coulter is into some SERIOUS Freaky-deaky s**.
By lozen
April 24, 2006 12:01 PM | Link to this
Chilao, if you weren’t so young, I’d think you were my “twin soul!” Just kidding, I think the new age stuff, for the most part, is a bunch of bull too. That censored word guys was c-l-i-t-o-r-i-s. See what I mean about puritanical america!
By lozen
April 24, 2006 12:05 PM | Link to this
Okay ladies. Think about having sex with Cheney… does that sound like fun? Now think about having sex with Kerry… does that sound like fun? Tell me, can you think of one politician on any level that you think would be worth going to bed with? How about chubby Newt? Ted kennedy? Ha, ha, ha, stop please. Ha, ha, ha, ha!
By Chilao
April 24, 2006 12:05 PM | Link to this
I bet that Anne Coulter is into some SERIOUS Freaky-deaky s.
and you would not even have to put a bag over her head. might want to wrap her interior(it’s what’s inside that counts) abit/alot but….LMAO
By kimberly
April 24, 2006 12:08 PM | Link to this
JaP, Repubs are more sadistic; Dems are more masochistic. Back up for the big picture, and you’ll see that explains a LOT in America today. BTW, I no longer date Republicans, as the last one (nice Christian fellow) had a little too much fun trying to choke me, and was always demanding I bring home a girlfriend for a threesome. Then he’d drag me off to one of his faith-based charity fundraisers, which took torture to a whole new level.
By Archie
April 24, 2006 12:08 PM | Link to this
Jack I agree with your post at 11:04 but the topic is should people have pre-marital sex? I think a lot of people have veered away from that question. I have seen name-calling but the answers have veered off topic. I think it’s a good topic because I could ask the question what are pros versus cons of pre-marital sex. This topic speaks to society’s mores and I think for some people the answer to today’s topic is no, but for other people that have matured emotionally and financially the answer is yes.
By Chilao
April 24, 2006 12:09 PM | Link to this
Lozen - I got it on the c-l-i-t part. you actually spelled that out? LOL
Okay, I was about 16, sitting at the dinner table, don’t know how this convo came up but my dad made the remark that women had p-e-n-i-s-e-s too, I replied, holding up my thumb/index finger “Yeah, real little ones”. He almost fell out of his chair but I think he was proud I knew.
I thought you were my age(see last week, the getting older remark), you must be older.
By Jewish and Proud of It
April 24, 2006 12:13 PM | Link to this
Republicans are kinkier, especially with hookers. or so I have heard
Chilao I thought just the opposite. I figured Republicans say they have a great sex life because they classify “great sex” as once a month, missionary style only, in the bedroom only, with the wife, under the covers only with a prayer for the wonderful sex afterward. With that standard, if you were to have sex twice in the same month, that would just be GALACTIC
By Nikita
April 24, 2006 12:18 PM | Link to this
The answer, IMHO, is that people should have whatever sex they want. But personally, I think sex is hot with people you’re committed to.
By Chilao
April 24, 2006 12:19 PM | Link to this
if you were to have sex twice in the same month, that would just be GALACTIC
more than once a month would make her kinda slutty wouldn’t it? LOL
Always loved dealing with buddies who had the Madonna/Whore complex going on. had to marry the good girl, so then they would have to oogle the other ladies, visit the strip clubs, have affairs, etc etc.
By Billy
April 24, 2006 12:23 PM | Link to this
Jack — I never said that 9/11 was his fault, though Republicans would never let it die if it had happened on a Democrat’s watch. Global warming is no one person’s fault, but scientists have been screaming at us all for a couple of decades now, and Bush is every bit as guilty as anyone else for not listening.
Global warming, stem-cell research, evolution — this administration likes to pretend there’s actually a debate going on in the scientific community about the validity of various aspects of science. There’s not. That’s what I was getting at by my post. Temperatures all over the world are skyrocketing. Drought is rampant. Hurricanes and tornados more frequent and destructive. All attributable, at least in part, to global warming. Yet this administration cites Bumf*, North Dakota, population 27, which has had two straight days of temperatures five degrees below average as “evidence” that global warming isn’t occuring.
Only recently has Bush even admited that there might be a problem and that we might have had a role in its genesis.
By Billy
April 24, 2006 12:28 PM | Link to this
Lozen, I’ve known where the man in the boat was since I was 11 or 12. You know, I never had Playboys or anything, being the oldest child (and only guy), so I had to look at anatomy books my medical-profession-heavy family had. The femal upper torso was most titillating, but I believe the female genital are diagrams were the most practically educational. And I think my wife would agree.
By lozen
April 24, 2006 12:30 PM | Link to this
Okay Archie, pros and cons:
Pros for extra-marital sex:
Feels good Relaxing Exciting feels good Instinctual (the old in and out anyways) People who have lots of sex outside marriage probably really like sex! When those people get together it could work out really well. Feels good! Why not? What difference does it make? Who cares?
Cons:
Some people get STD’s (some people get food poisoning, lung cancer, or die in automobile accidents too.) As someone said last week, women might discover _ is not eight inches. Females might discover sex can really be fun! Then they would expect husbands to be fun in bed! Men just might be thinking someone else’s kids are theirs… god forbid! Leads to unwanted pregnancy (no problem as long as abortion is available). Could be solved by providing birth control information to everyone. I can’t wait to hear others….
By Billy
April 24, 2006 12:35 PM | Link to this
famale area
By lozen
April 24, 2006 12:36 PM | Link to this
Billy, Billy you are lucky god didn’t zap your little thingy with lightning for looking at those books! I bet you grew hair on your palms, didn’t you?
By Jennifer
April 24, 2006 12:36 PM | Link to this
Not harping. I ‘ve just been thinking. I don’t recount what I believe or een sharing that. But I do apologize for the sarcasm in my last comment. How can I say I practice self-control if I don’t do it in all aspects. So, I apologize for the nastiness of my comment that simply made me out to be just the bigots I’m trying to fight. My original and very first comment was not an attack (as there was only one person before me), but simply an encouragement that it cannot be done. And just for the record, I can never claim myself superior…if you ever meet me on the street (not literally), I probably won’t seem so hateful.
By kimberly
April 24, 2006 12:37 PM | Link to this
the man in the boat, …upper torso was most titillating HAHAHAHA! This conversation is TOOOOO much for a person of my underdeveloped emotional maturity and overdeveloped drive. Hahahaha! I’m outta here before I embarrass myself even further. “Man in the boat!” Priceless, Dude! Hahahaha! {;-D
By lozen
April 24, 2006 12:37 PM | Link to this
Jack, how old were you when you grew hair on your palms?
By Chilao
April 24, 2006 12:40 PM | Link to this
Billy - my dad had the Gray’s Anatomy from the 1950s/, with the clear-plastic layover pieces detailing male and female anatomy. Not where I learned about the little p-e-n-s-e-s on women, a girlfriend showed that to me WELL, but. In fact I have that book of his at home now, outta pull out and look at tonight. LOL
Global warming - PBS had a thing last week, what they learned in the US those three days there were no flights after 9/11. Interesting. Seems there is also something called global dimming, clouds and haze actually keep the planet cooler than it would be otherwise. Someone also pointed out that some recent sun-flare activity shoots energy right down the poles and many glaciers are melting from the bottom not the top. That supports my view the whole planet is heating up, but people cannot agree on the CAUSE since the planet cycles like that ANYway.
Personnally I think it it ridiculous people would think the Earth has an unlimited absorption capability for generated heat, but that’s just non-scientific me. LOL
By The72John
April 24, 2006 12:42 PM | Link to this
Wow…Bumf*(caught by person filter), ND didn’t get caught by the filter!
Anyway…on topic. What about the possible drawbacks to religion-enforced abstinence-before-marriage? I don’t mean abstinence based on a personal choice, I mean the kind of heavy-handed THOU SHALT NOT attitudes passed on by parents to some children.
A significant number of my high school classmates - college-bound kids, high GPA students, etc. - married within a year or two of starting college, and are now divorced. Why? Because they were so anxious to have sex and so conditioned that they had to get married.
Now they’re divorced because the person they married when they were too immature to handle it changed dramatically over those last couple of years in college. How many others like them are out there, either divorced or trapped in meaningless marriages? All because they wanted to get their rocks off.
By Chilao
April 24, 2006 12:44 PM | Link to this
Jennifer - I did not read anything nasty in any of your comments and I just re-read them as well. You stated what works best for you. nothing more, that I could gather.
By Chilao
April 24, 2006 12:50 PM | Link to this
Because they were so anxious to have sex and so conditioned that they had to get married.
worked with a guy here, he has since left, that had been married SIX times, (but two times were to the same woman). Thought it was a Southern thing we having sex, therefore we must get married, kinda thing, to get married to FIVE different women. dang/geeez.
By lozen
April 24, 2006 12:51 PM | Link to this
By Jennifer April 24, 2006 12:36 PM | Link to this Not harping. I ‘ve just been thinking. I don’t recount what I believe or een sharing that. But I do apologize for the sarcasm in my last comment. How can I say I practice self-control if I don’t do it in all aspects. So, I apologize for the nastiness of my comment that simply made me out to be just the bigots I’m trying to fight. My original and very first comment was not an attack (as there was only one person before me), but simply an *encouragement that it cannot be done. Freudian slip Jennifer?
By The72John
April 24, 2006 12:52 PM | Link to this
Jennifer,
I don’t think anyone would criticize your right to remain abstinent, and I personally appreciate that you view it as a personal choice, rather than as a societal imperative.
I do wonder though - if there’s NO sexual contact of any kind, as you’ve implied, how do you know that you’re, well, compatible?
I ask because of personal experience - see, in college I dated a girl for four years. It was a bad thing to do, and something I’m ashamed of because I did it to cover up and to try to alter my own sexuality. We talked a big game about remaining sexually pure, but the truth is that, while it may have been an effort for her, it was a relief for me.
Now, I’m not suggesting that you’re in the same situation, but sexual attraction IS important to a relationship, and an utter lack of sexual feelings may be a warning sign of things to come.
By Billy
April 24, 2006 12:54 PM | Link to this
“By lozen
April 24, 2006 12:36 PM
Billy, Billy you are lucky god didn’t zap your little thingy with lightning for looking at those books! I bet you grew hair on your palms, didn’t you?”
Much the way I have less hair on my legs in late spring than I do in early fall due to the friction from long pants, I don’t think there ever was a possiblity of me growing hair on my palms…
By Chilao
April 24, 2006 12:54 PM | Link to this
filter probably works by checking for variations of that word that START with the word. LOL
checked “bumfetc.’ and did not find a match in the table lookup.
By Chilao
April 24, 2006 12:56 PM | Link to this
you can be sure there is a new word to add to the filter table lookup now. LMAO
better get the ‘buttfetc’ one as well.
By Chilao
April 24, 2006 12:58 PM | Link to this
Yeah, I think heavy friction would burn any hair off.
old wives tale, btw, but… LOL
kinda like no grass can grow when people cut corners on the lawn/quad/etc.
By RF
April 24, 2006 01:05 PM | Link to this
John- don’t spoil it for her dude. She supposed to marry him, have a couple kids, find out he’s cheating or g-a-y, and divorce him. If she finds out now, she’ll spoil the American Dream!
By chuck
April 24, 2006 01:10 PM | Link to this
Wrong Kimmie, IF you are going to hell it’s because you never accepted Jesus as Savior and Lord. I thought you knew by now, since I’ve said it many, many times, NO PARTICULAR sin will send you to hell EXCEPT rejection of Christ.
Of course, pre-marital sex is wrong AND harmful. Of course many if not most do it anyway. It is a major cause of the inability of many people to enjoy a guilt free intimate relationship with their spouses when they finally do decide to get married. Call me old fashioned, but I think it is extremely gratifying to know that someone saved such an extremely special and intimate relationship just for you and you for them. It is one of the most beautiful acts of love that I can think of.
Totally off the subject, JaP, we studying Bible Prophesy in Church last night and one of the topics that came up concerned the Tribe of Dan. In the Book of Revelations, it speaks of 144,000 Jews who are converted to Christianity during the tribulation period after Christ calls the Church home. There are 12,000 converts from each of the 12 tribes listed as:
tribe of Juda
the tribe of Reuben
the tribe of Gad
the tribe of Aser
the tribe of Nephthalim
the tribe of Manasses
the tribe of Simeon
the tribe of Levi
the tribe of Issachar
the tribe of Zabulon
the tribe of Joseph
the tribe of Benjamin
My question is: “What happened to the tribe of Dan?”
By candide
April 24, 2006 01:11 PM | Link to this
A better question: should Christians be allowed to have sex?
Answer, NO! They would only bring up more stupid Christians. Their spawn, if any, should be aborted.
By lozen
April 24, 2006 01:12 PM | Link to this
72john, See I forgot that pro for premarital sex … blocked it! I have so many bad feelings around that one! I got married so young because I felt so guilty about having sex and was still trying so hard to be “a good girl.” I can remember promising god I would never do it again if my period would come, please god don’t let me be pregnant! But I would do it again because it felt so good! So I decided I had to get married or I’d fulfill my mother’s greatest fear and get pregnant when I wasn’t married. Then I carried around that guilt until I was 23 years old, started seeing a therapist, and after agonizing over it for months, finally confessed my sin of premarital sex! (It’s hard for me to believe this as I’m writing it, it is so alien to me now.) My therapist said, “yeah, 15, that’s when the sap begins to rise.” He did not believe it was the worst thing a teenage girl could do. That one decision to marry so young caused so much harm to so many people - me, my ex, my kids.
By Jack
April 24, 2006 01:21 PM | Link to this
In a meeting maost of the day forward. Love ya’ll!
By Jennifer
April 24, 2006 01:22 PM | Link to this
Excuse me, *can. :) Sorry. And regarding your comment The72John, I am not saying that sexual attraction is not important. However, I don’t think it should be the ONLY thing constituting a relationship. And I personally do not believe that sex equals compatiability. Obviously I do not have the experience, but exactly what do you measure it by? Style? I really don’t have a clue. I think that whatever physical interaction that takes place is merely a manifestation of the love and compatibility that we (my beau and I) have already established, personally.
By Billy
April 24, 2006 01:32 PM | Link to this
Wow. I’ve killed threads on other sites before, but never the week’s topic on a Monday! Have they shut it down because I slipped one through?
Back on topic, my wife called earlier and relayed a conversation she had just had with my mother-in-law. Apparently my wife’s grandmother asked her daugher (my mother-in-law) if she and my father-in-law had ever seen each other naked. She replied that they had. My mother-in-law asked her mother if she and my wife’s grandfather had ever seen each other naked.
Nope.
5 kids, but they’ve never seen each other naked…
By The72John
April 24, 2006 01:36 PM | Link to this
Surely we haven’t exhausted this topic already…where’d everyone go?
By Jennifer
April 24, 2006 01:41 PM | Link to this
Okay, I’m supposing my comment is having a bit of trouble going through, so, if this appears twice, forgive me. Excuse me, can. :) Sorry. The72John, I personally say that sex does not equal compatiability. Unless you are speaking on a physiological level, to which I say…actually I don’t know. But otherwise, my beau and I are compatiable in every way. In my opinion, sex (or any physical interaction) is simply a manifestation of the love and compatiability we have already established.
By Billy
April 24, 2006 01:41 PM | Link to this
Okay, I think the board is wonky…
By Billy
April 24, 2006 01:42 PM | Link to this
The last post I can see was from 12:54…
By Jennifer
April 24, 2006 01:44 PM | Link to this
Lack of sexual action is not a lack of sexual attraction/feeling, necessarily.
By Jewish and Proud of It
April 24, 2006 01:45 PM | Link to this
Much the way I have less hair on my legs in late spring than I do in early fall due to the friction from long pants, I don’t think there ever was a possiblity of me growing hair on my palms…
Tehe, now that was funny!
I worked for several summers at an all boys camp and can say with some certainty that if the above is true, those boys will have silky smooth palms for the rest of their days. :)
By Jennifer
April 24, 2006 01:51 PM | Link to this
Excuse me, can. :) Sorry. Concerning sexual compatibility: It is not that I do not have sexual feelings or an attraction to my promised; And I think that whatever physical interaction we have is simply a manifestation of the love and compatibility we have already established.
By Archie
April 24, 2006 01:52 PM | Link to this
“ask because of personal experience - see, in college I dated a girl for four years. It was a bad thing to do, and something I’m ashamed of because I did it to cover up and to try to alter my own sexuality. We talked a big game about remaining sexually pure, but the truth is that, while it may have been an effort for her, it was a relief for me.”
72John,even if she had sex with you it would not have been beneficial to her so she was better off abstaining.
“Now, I’m not suggesting that you’re in the same situation, but sexual attraction IS important to a relationship, and an utter lack of sexual feelings may be a warning sign of things to come.”
I agree with that paragraph.
Lozen thanks for responding but you didn’t list emotional problems that some people have such as thinking that they’re in love when it’s really just sex. It can be devasting for a person to find out they were used just for sex. I can list other cons for premarital sex but I will wait.
By dee
April 24, 2006 01:58 PM | Link to this
By Whiley — Jennifer, what you are doing is dangerous. You’re going to wait till you are married to find out your spouse is the worst lover in the Southeast? Your going to wait till it’s too late that your partner can only last 45 seconds? Your going to wait till you’re already married to find out it’s only 2 inches?
I have never laughed so hard in all my life!!! My God!! I almost had an embarassing “accident”!!!! I haven’t been on in a while and I’m getting here substantially late, but judging by some of these comments, today is gonna be a riot!!!! Thanks Whiley!!!
By Mara
April 24, 2006 02:11 PM | Link to this
*we risk the confusion of wanting to find that perfect mate, but never really knowing if we can trust someone who wants the fun without the commitment. *
Hello, Shaunti (knock, knock, knock)? Wouldn’t not knowing if your prospective “perfect mate” was trustworthy be an automatic red-flag that they are unlikely to be the person you want them to be? And speaking of “honesty”…how honest is it for Shaunti’s hypothetical pre-marital sex maniac to enter a relationship knowing that they’re pining for that “perfect mate” while their lover thinks it’s only fun and games?
By bigKenn
April 24, 2006 02:36 PM | Link to this
These blogs crack me up. So I should be tolerant of your comments about sex before marriage? But at the same time you won’t be tolerant of my beliefs as a Christian?
Sounds like some of you guys are being “narrow, embittered, neurotic” just like you accused the “Christian Faschists”
It’s funny that people say there is no God. In reality what they are saying is that they are all knowing enough to know that there is no all knowing being (God)
Well I gotta go have sex with the wife!
By GOB
April 24, 2006 02:36 PM | Link to this
I think I just saw a tumbleweed blow through this blog…
By Realistic
April 24, 2006 02:47 PM | Link to this
There is so much hypocrisy surrounding the sex/no sex issue. As a parent of three children, now aged 29, 27 and 18 I knew they would have sex and really wanted that for them because SEX can be, in my opinion, one of the best gifts to mankind. However, there were some conditions I always discussed as soon as they either asked or I felt like they needed to know. I made sure they knew about birth control. I made sure they understood about STD’s. Most importantly, I made sure they RESPECTED themselves and their partners and we discussed lust versus love. Most of all, I did NOT want the guilt and shame that was attached to sex (like it was when I was growing up in protestant home) but I did want them to understand the consequences of their choices. I think we all have made some bad choices, at one time or another, about our sexual choices (at least those of us that will admit it). Abstinence, in my opinion, is not normal because sex is a normal, natural biological function. However, I don’t judge anyone who chooses abstinence. I do know people who have had only one sex partner (married young) and they will admit they wished they HAD more experiences and feel as if they missed out on something (which they did). However, sex is between two people (well, usually) and when that bedroom door is shut, what happens between two consenting people is NO ONE ELSE’S DAMN BUSINESS. Get the churches out of the bedroom and let’s be real. Our culture has perverted sex to the point of creating all of the perverts that are out there (and there are many). So, who’s right and who’s wrong? It’s a PERSONAL choice and again…should be no one else’s DAMN business! As for all the unwanted children, well…again, our society is creating that opportunity by limiting birth control AND choices. I can think of at least 10 teenagers who took a “vow of abstinence” in the church, wearing an armband, etc. who broke that vow as soon as their libido’s kicked in (my daughter is very open with me) so I’m not convinced “abstinence” is the answer. However, I did make sure once I had the “sex talk” with my children that they PROMISED to come to me, should they even be “thinking” about it and then I made sure my son had what he needed and my daughters had what they needed. I was glad that they felt comfortable enough talking to me rather than doing something and not having protection. As soon as we can get real, we may find we don’t have such a “problem.” I swear most of those who get on the soapbox have had active sex lives or wish they had, BEFORE marriage. I have friends who won’t even say the word “sex” in front of their children (teen-aged) and I just want to laugh out loud and say, GET REAL. Oh well, that’s enough for my soap box. If you’re thinking about it…well, think long and hard and consider all the angles and then BE SURE TO PROTECT YOURSELVES! :-)
By Julia
April 24, 2006 02:48 PM | Link to this
Hasn’t anyone posted in the last 2 hours? I can’t see any posts past 12:54.
What’s going on with the blog? This gets very frustrating!
By lozen
April 24, 2006 02:56 PM | Link to this
Should dresses have bubble hems? Just as important as our question on this blog this week!
By CARLA
April 24, 2006 03:11 PM | Link to this
I THINK A COUPLE SHOULD HAVE SEX BEFORE MARRIAGE. B\C SEX IS A PART OF YOUR RELATIONSHIP.
By Jack
April 24, 2006 03:13 PM | Link to this
Lozen. I thought vampires were the only ones with hair on their palms. The hair on my palms was worn off long ago. hehe.
By Jack
April 24, 2006 03:23 PM | Link to this
Do you live in South or east Bumblefuck?
By chuck
April 24, 2006 03:45 PM | Link to this
Wrong Kimmie, IF you are going to hell it’s because you never accepted Jesus as Savior and Lord. I thought you knew by now, since I’ve said it many, many times, NO PARTICULAR sin will send you to hell EXCEPT rejection of Christ.
Of course, pre-marital sex is wrong AND harmful. Of course many if not most do it anyway. It is a major cause of the inability of many people to enjoy a guilt free intimate relationship with their spouses when they finally do decide to get married. Call me old fashioned, but I think it is extremely gratifying to know that someone saved such an extremely special and intimate relationship just for you and you for them. It is one of the most beautiful acts of love that I can think of.
Totally off the subject, JaP, we studying Bible Prophesy in Church last night and one of the topics that came up concerned the Tribe of Dan. In the Book of Revelations, it speaks of 144,000 Jews who are converted to Christianity during the tribulation period after Christ calls the Church home. There are 12,000 converts from each of the 12 tribes listed as:
tribe of Juda
the tribe of Reuben
the tribe of Gad
the tribe of Aser
the tribe of Nephthalim
the tribe of Manasses
the tribe of Simeon
the tribe of Levi
the tribe of Issachar
the tribe of Zabulon
the tribe of Joseph
the tribe of Benjamin
My question is: “What happened to the tribe of Dan?”
By Randy
April 24, 2006 03:45 PM | Link to this
Lozen, What has happened in your life that has turned you against GOD??? Something has happened, you fight it to hard. Be honest.
By Brian Curtis
April 24, 2006 03:49 PM | Link to this
An equally vital topic: Should people eat corn on the cob?
Umm, it depends whether you LIKE it, dummies. And no one’s going to (or should) force you either way. What a silly question!
By Netbanker
April 24, 2006 03:50 PM | Link to this
OIY…yet another stupid topic. This country is totally hung up about sex. We have these ideas about purity and how things used to be that are just complete falsehoods. I think it was 72J who stated as such and he’s right. Chilao threw in some good puritan information to drive home the point. People have been ‘doing it’ since it could be done regardless of marriage and that will NEVER change. Trying to pretend anything different is just self-delusional.
Sex can be an emotionally bonding experience OR it can just be an incredibly, mind-blowing, amazing physical experience. For couples sex is a sharing experience and hopefully it’s the second kind that I described although that just doesn’t seem to be the case. I’ll venture a guess that it’s people who’ve had type 2 sex that don’t get so hung up about pre-marital or even extra marital sex because one can recognize that a physical experience doesn’t necessarily change one’s heart or feelings about someone. I’ll also venture a guess that those who enjoy sex the least are the ones most hung up about it and who cling most tightly to sexual shame.
That said…if you choose to wait because that’s the right decision for you then follow your heart and instincts. Just be sure that you know how all your body parts work and what is pleasuring to you so that when you do have sex for the first time you can make it that amazing experience through knowing your body and being able to communicate that to your partner.
Good sex is primarily about good communication. It’s about not being afraid to tell your partner what feels good and what doesn’t. It’s about being able to read the reactions of your partner to know when they’re enjoying what you’re doing. It’s about making NOISE so they know and about the pleasures of your body without feeling guilty about physical enjoyment. If sex wasn’t supposed to be so darn good, then God wouldn’t have given us the ability to experience such rapture…unless, of course, those parts evolved from their original design. (Grin)
Randy…you soooo need to work on your delivery and finding a more non-judgemental way to present your points. To you, I’m sure that I’m a non-believer, but I have most defintely had life changing experiences that have led me to acknowledge God, but not through some controling, organized religion. Your remark, even as a general remark, was highly insulting.
Tim…glad to hear you enjoyed the show. I’m looking to get tickets before it closes. I guess my age is showing because I always think of Leslie Jordan as Brother Boy in Sordid Lives before any of his other characters.
By Netbanker
April 24, 2006 04:00 PM | Link to this
Much the way I have less hair on my legs in late spring than I do in early fall due to the friction from long pants, I don’t think there ever was a possiblity of me growing hair on my palms… ROFLMAO!
Kimberly…you’ve never heard of the man in the boat? Jeez, as a gay boy even I knew that one.
I don’t think anyone would criticize your right to remain abstinent, and I personally appreciate that you view it as a personal choice, rather than as a societal imperative. Jennifer, John makes a good point here that I’ll spin into a bit of advice. You’ll be well served in life to primarily make decisions based on personal choice rather than to buy into most social imperatives as a reason to do or not do something.
And I’m off to the next meeting of the day! Have a good night everyone.
By Jack
April 24, 2006 04:28 PM | Link to this
An equally vital topic: What does one do with the cob after eating the corn? LOL
By Billy
April 24, 2006 04:28 PM | Link to this
Jennifer — You’re right, sex does not equal compatibility. But there is such thing as sexual compatibility. And when two people are not sexually compatible, then it generates bad attitudes toward sex. One won’t want it because it’s not fun for them. Usually the woman. But she’ll give in because it’s what she’s supposed to do to please her husband. But since that will only happen on their anniversary and his birthday, he’ll go somewhere else to fulfill whatever sexual urges hit him. And who could blame either of them? A guy wants to feel like he’s desirable, and we measure that by how often women have sex with us. Women want to feel that, too, but they measure it by how often guys try to have sex with them.
Now, girls at 15 are going to experience the same bumbling and confusion their first times. No one’s advocating 15 year-olds having sex, though. Women are staying single longer, well into their 30s, often remaining single for good because they do not need the institution of marriage to validate their existence. I’m not saying that’s the way to go, either, but should they not have sex?
We’ve all heard that women hit their sexual peak at 35 while men hit theirs at 18. That isn’t true. A woman is also at her sexual peak at 18. They (and their partners) are just too unfamiliar with their bodies to enjoy it. It’s not until later in life that most women learn to really enjoy sex. If a woman waits until 30 to get married and waits to have sex until then, then she’s not going to learn to really enjoy it until she’s hitting menopause.
By kimberly
April 24, 2006 04:28 PM | Link to this
Tee hee hee….. Are we gonna talk about sex ALL WEEK?
All I know is, if I were to endure the bonds of matrimony so as to have “sinless” sex, and MY husband wasted all that perfectly good recreational romp time studying bible prophesies about Jewish tribes and some guy named Dan, instead of studying the man in the boat (HAHAHAHAHA!), I’d be driven to violence or infidelity right quick! I mean, seriously! Find that poor woman a pool boy! Hahaha! The man in the boat needs some help rowing ashore! Hahaha!
By candide
April 24, 2006 04:31 PM | Link to this
George and Barbara should not have had any sex, before or after marriage. Look what a bunch of turds they produced.
By Jennifer
April 24, 2006 04:38 PM | Link to this
geez, I guess there was a problem on the site for a while. Sorry for repeating myself three hundred times. To everyone who keeps saying (paraphrased) “Do what is right for me,” or “make it a personal choice”…if I weren’t already doing so, then in theory, I shouldn’t take your advice…my choice, although based on beliefs that many other people hold, is still all mine…and I have done thorough research of my personal worldview to make it. Just a side note: You all are saying everyone makes his own morals, but just wait until someone pulls one over one you and uses that excuse. Okay, workday is over…I’m out.
By Chilao
April 24, 2006 04:38 PM | Link to this
The man in the boat needs some help rowing ashore
like he really wants to actually make it to shore. sure, ya, right,…LOL get him to shore and what’s he gonna do? go back out in that rowboat again.
It’s not until later in life that most women learn to really enjoy sex.
does that mean I have been quite lucky at a much younger age, to meet sexually-charged women? LMAO (rhetorical)
By Chilao
April 24, 2006 04:40 PM | Link to this
apprently GW is the FIRSTborn, not the youngest, (something I implied a few weeks ago), so it seems his parents muts have gotten stricter as more kiddies came along. LOL
By BaronVonDookie
April 24, 2006 04:40 PM | Link to this
Well, As a almost 30 year old virgin male, I say Hell No to sex before getting married. I’m not a religous person ether, I actually despise religous folks. Its just somthing of value to me. But in the past I’d say 10 years just about every (not all) female I have dated in that time has left because I won’t put out or let them be the first to put their stamp on me. I’m always givin that phrase “Are you gonna buy a car and not test drive it?”. That is the lamest excuse I have ever heard.
Which I kinda find funny though, but Its my body I do with it as I please thank you, just because my kind has a high drive for sex doesnt mean that I have to too. I have dated all kinds of girls in that time, religous, non-religous, black, and some asian too, and you know what IMO they were all the same. I am a Proud Virgin man deal with it.
P.s if anyone wants to flame me for it go right ahead and knock yourself out.
By Jennifer
April 24, 2006 04:41 PM | Link to this
How old are you Kimberly? geez…
By Rose
April 24, 2006 04:43 PM | Link to this
I am a Christian. I’m glad some of you guys don’t have a gun and I’m not in front of you. I have always had a very healthy libido but I waited for marriage to have sex with my husband. It was fantastic and the years of loving each other through good times and bad have made it way beyond physical. The Bible has the book of Song of Solomon which is commentary on very sensual, beautiful, married sex. I have been married to the same man for over 20 years and am SO thankful I waited. We have the best sex life on the planet and it just gets better. Wrong views of sex have made people see it as shameful and have distorted the gift of sex, but this is not from true Biblical Christianity. Most of what I see touted as “Christian” has nothing to do with the Scriptures. This is not my judgment or my agenda on anybody else. This is what I have experienced first-hand in my life and it has been amazing, even with raising all of our children. On the other hand, I have many dear friends over the years who have suffered through abortions, STDs, out-of-wedlock pregnancies, abuse by various lovers, etc. I’m glad I was spared.
By Billy
April 24, 2006 04:44 PM | Link to this
NetB — “…I have most defintely had life changing experiences that have led me to acknowledge God…”
You just described sex!!!
By Chilao
April 24, 2006 04:44 PM | Link to this
and NetB, I had never heard the expression The man in the boat until today, but then my parents raised me to call it what it was and not speak in code. LOL like my dad’s ‘women have p-e-n-i-s-e-s too’ meaning c-l-i-t-s.
well, what-it-was, in the form of v-a-g-i-n-a, CLINICAL stuff. no purrers expressions used there.
By Chilao
April 24, 2006 04:46 PM | Link to this
and I did not mean to imply waiting until after marriage meant ‘pure’, that is why I italicized it, when talking about the Puritans. it is just generally accepted to put it that way, culturally.
By kimberly
April 24, 2006 04:51 PM | Link to this
*You all are saying everyone makes his own morals, but just wait until someone pulls one over one you and uses that excuse. * Jennifer, I’m old enough to have had that on pulled over on me, Hon. Or to more accurately answer your question, I’m old enough to know better and too old to care! (Now careening helplessly through my peak!Ha!) {:-D I’ve learned to take joy in the present. To appreciate people for who they are and NOT try to change them, stuff them into a mold, or cram them into my subjective map of what my “future” should look like. I’ve learned that doing so only leads to disappointment, but to live each day to the fullest, and enjoy each friendship as it comes, leads to a happier existence. And TRUST ME: by learning to laugh at myself, I never run out of amusement!
By candide
April 24, 2006 05:02 PM | Link to this
The Puritans in New England allowed pre-marital sex between those likely to marry. Go figure.
By lozen
April 24, 2006 05:32 PM | Link to this
Rose exactly where in Song of Solomon does it say “married” sex? I don’t think it does say that.
By Denise noe
April 25, 2006 07:16 AM | Link to this
Sex is a strong drive but it is not, for any individual person, a “need.” There are many negative ramifications to indulging this desire as can be seen by the epidemics of AIDS, herpes, and other STDs and the moral dilemmas of problem pregnancies. People can and do live entirely without sex or the romance that so often leads up to sex. Consumer advocate Ralph Nader and March for Life President Nellie Gray appear to have lived their lives without a romantic or sexual element and appear no worse for the non-wear.
By chuck
April 25, 2006 07:50 AM | Link to this
I just saw the best reason I can think of for abstaining until marriage last night. I was watching the news and eating a little supper, when a commercial came on for some herpes drug. Nice dinner conversation starter with the kids don’t you think?
Well this commercial had these people on it who have herpes supposedly and here’s what one of them said:
“By taking (insert name of drug here) I just REDUCED MY CHANCES OF PASSING ON THE HERPES VIRUS. I feel good about that.”
Then the legal mumbojumbo came on telling us how you can still give someone else herpes, EVEN IF you are not having an “outbreak” whatever that is.
Are you people NUTS? There is NO CURE for herpes and there are people out there saying they feel good about REDUCING the chance of passing it on. That is just lunacy.
By chuck
April 25, 2006 08:06 AM | Link to this
You may as well play Russian Roullette.
By The72John
April 25, 2006 08:14 AM | Link to this
I love how religious conservatives, so accustomed to seeing everything in shades of black and white, automatically assume that pre-marital sex equates with promiscuous, risky sex. It doesn’t.
Sex before marriage, or without marriage for those who are either unable or unwilling to make that committment, can easily be as monogamous, discriminating and safe as sex within marriage. To automatically assume that extreme behavior is the only option other than abstinence is foolish.
By The72John
April 25, 2006 08:20 AM | Link to this
Denise, been spending a lot of time in Nader’s bedroom, have you? I don’t see how else you would have any idea about his romantic status.
By Lyrazel
April 25, 2006 08:33 AM | Link to this
Pardon me, but whose business is it if I have had premarital sex or not? While most of the banter here is about morality I find those who dictate sexual morality: good for me, good for our nation, good for teenagers, and whatever balderdash goes with it as deeply offensive to my core beliefs of privacy and freedom. This is the realm of NO ONES BUSINESS! I cannot imagine why anyone would put their sex life up for review by anyone else and it boggles my mind that people STILL accept group interventions in so personal a decision.
I think its time to end this obsession of the cult of the virgin be they male or female and this value of virginity as being special. Its not, its biology! Where do people get off saying this is: special? It is so ludicrous! Ask why society keeps around these debasing standards of morality?
Most teenagers who abstained from sex because of group abstinence pledges fail to keep their vows. Most young adult couples counseled to prevent pre-marital sex by marrying early due to pressure from such sources end up (as runaway brides) divorced before the first 5 years! This pressure to marry as virgins unfortunately keeps young adults inadequately prepared for co-habitation and thus this breakup of marriages in the early reproductive years render millions of children into broken families—well, la di da and gosh gee whiz where did that swept under the rug during abstinence rallies statistic come from?
So ask: by declaring herself against pre-marital sex does Shaunti inadvertently side with those Gotta Pop The Cherry folks who elevate to degrade women? Is she not fueling the myth of putting value on the hymen—because that is what virginity is and all it is. I pity the disillusioned who believe some life-altering achievement event takes place the first time coitus occurs or that somehow their marriage will endure because of this abstinence.
By Monica
April 25, 2006 08:41 AM | Link to this
Wow, did I pick the wrong day to be sick! I haven’t read all of the comments from yesterday, but…
Whiley, if you have never had sex before, then you won’t know that your spouse is the worst lover in the Southeast.
Jack, you should test drive a car before you buy. You test drive the car to see how it runs. You don’t buy the car because of the bells and whistles (leather seats, 8-way automatic adjust drivers seat, CD and DVD player, etc). If someone is getting married just because of the sex, then he or she doesn’t need to get married.
Jennifer, you stick to your guns. You may be in a minority, but you are not alone. I waited! My sister waited! It can be done!!
Kimberly, love the Herrick poem. I have a blast teaching it to seniors. We discuss the lengths poets went to in order to get a girl into bed.
Of course, I have strong opinions on this topic, but I think I will just ABSTAIN from comment. Y’all know how I feel on this matter… :)
By Tim
April 25, 2006 08:46 AM | Link to this
if you have ever had a cold sore… then you have herpes… not the exact same… but they give you the same medications and they still hurt like hell… I highly doubt you’re going to scare people into NOT having sex by telling them “you may get herpes”
By candide
April 25, 2006 09:07 AM | Link to this
Should women have breast enlargement? Should men hire prostitutes? Should fathes rape their daughters? Should mothers perform oral sex on their sons?
Should, should not, shalt thou, shalt thou not, shalt thou sh…t, hast thou shat?
Don’t these religious nutcases have anything better to do?
By Jack
April 25, 2006 09:11 AM | Link to this
Little Man in the Boat. Now I’ve heard everything.
Row, row, row your boat gently down the stream. Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily, life is but a dream.
By The72John
April 25, 2006 09:15 AM | Link to this
if you have ever had a cold sore… then you have herpes… not the exact same… but they give you the same medications and they still hurt like hell… I highly doubt you’re going to scare people into NOT having sex by telling them “you may get herpes
Or scare them into not getting into a car by saying “you may die”, or scare them into not going to a restaurant to eat because “you may get food poisoning” or…
Life is inherently risky. We have tools that allow us to mitigate that risk, the foremost of which is our brain. We make choices based on our internal risk/reward equation. If we allowed the potential risks of every action to overwhelm us, we would all be cowering hermits afraid to leave the house.
If Shaunti had wanted to make this a legitimate topic, rather than another opportunity to tell us all how shameful and sinful we are by not falling into line with her fundamentalist puritanism, she would have asked “Should we be having promiscuous, indiscriminate sex”.
But that would require her to think outside her Jesus-box, and that just ain’t gonna happen.
By Renee
April 25, 2006 09:21 AM | Link to this
I can’t speak for anyone else, but sex in my life is a need.
Additionally, there are negative ramifications that can be attributed to anything you do in life. Sure sex can carry deadly diseases, but so can a piece of meat you buy from the store. But it’s all about personal decision.
By Chilao
April 25, 2006 09:21 AM | Link to this
compliments of FunnyTimes, just-arrived edition. I know it not joke day but relevant. Quote from Butch Hancock of the country-rock group Flatlanders, (actually that word a slur when used by people living in the High Sierras, but I digress. LOL)
Life in Lubbock, Texas, taught me two things; One is that God loves you and you are going to burn in hell. The other is that sex is the most awful, filthy thing on earth and you should save it for someone you love.
By Renee
April 25, 2006 09:23 AM | Link to this
John, excellent, excellent 9:15. You said what I was thinking but sooooo much better.
Where is that tiara??? LOL
By RF
April 25, 2006 09:24 AM | Link to this
Watch the videos on VH-1,MTV, BET,and sometimes even CMT and try to tell kids don’t have sex until you’re married. And while you’re at it, throw out all the TVs, radios, and CDs in your house. If you’re going to do that, might as well go ahead and join an Amish village somewhere.
I say, teach your kids not to if that’s your wish, but prepare them for the eventuality and realize that they’re inundated with sexual messages in the world around them.
By Whiley
April 25, 2006 09:25 AM | Link to this
“Whiley, if you have never had sex before, then you won’t know that your spouse is the worst lover in the Southeast.”
That’s not entirely true. Bad is bad. 45 seconds is 45 seconds. 2 inches is 2 inches.
By Chilao
April 25, 2006 09:29 AM | Link to this
I actually ran into a web-site yesterday where a Jewish woman teaches all about the joys of sex, so to speak, from the Toran, Talmud and one other I do not remember, conventional/ancient Jewish texts. Seems Calvinism turned it into the filthy thing, they(Calvinists and Puritans) did not even believe in laughter. Even Catholics have a better understanding of the human condition.
But I did think of something driving home last night why premarital sex probably a bad idea, and Monica just touched on it; If you have had premarital sex, you just might not be content with the under-the-covers-with-the-lights-off boring grunt-grunt stuff. LMAO
By The72John
April 25, 2006 09:31 AM | Link to this
Aw, Renee, I don’t do tiaras :-) Is there some kind of baseball cap I could wear? Just, not a Yankees hat, ‘cause I hate those f^(%3!$.
By Jack
April 25, 2006 09:31 AM | Link to this
Yea. The Amish don’t need pre-marital sex cause they marry at 12 - 14. LOL
By Jack
April 25, 2006 09:33 AM | Link to this
One for the Ladies:
Georgia Girls
Three men were sitting together, bragging about how they had given their new wives duties. The first man had married a woman from Indiana, and bragged that he had told his wife she was going to do all the dishes and house cleaning that needed done at their house. He said that it took a couple days, but on the third day he came home to a clean house, and the dishes were all washed and put away.
The second man had married a woman from Utah. He bragged that he had given his wife orders that she was to do all the cleaning, the dishes, and the cooking. He told them that the first day he didn’t see any results, but the next day it was better. By the third day, his house was clean, the dishes were done, and he had a huge dinner on the table.
The third had married a Georgia girl. He said that he told her that her duties were to keep the house clean, dishes washed, lawn mowed, laundry washed, and hot meals on the table for every meal. He said the first day he didn’t see anything, the second day he didn’t see anything, but by the third day most of the swelling had gone down and he could see a little out of his left eye, just enough to fix himself a bite to eat, load the dishwasher, and telephone a landscaper.
Gotta love those Georgia girls!
By The72John
April 25, 2006 09:38 AM | Link to this
The Toran…is that some kind of strange fusion of Judaism and Islam?
By cd
April 25, 2006 09:38 AM | Link to this
Birth control - preventing thousands of unwanted marriages since 1969.
By Chilao
April 25, 2006 09:38 AM | Link to this
Like I said, that little man in the boat a new expression for me. Starts off as a kayak and ends up a troop landing craft, on any given encounter. LOL
By Renee
April 25, 2006 09:39 AM | Link to this
Sure John…saves me time anyway from looking for that darned tiara. It’s ALWAYS missing LOL.
Good one Jack.
By The72John
April 25, 2006 09:49 AM | Link to this
Yea. The Amish don’t need pre-marital sex cause they marry at 12 - 14. LOL
Actually, interestingly enough the Amish have a tradition where their kids leave home at 18 and go off to the big city for a non-stop orgy of debauchery and sex.
The idea is that the kids will quickly tire of the meaningless fun and voluntarily and willingly return to the fold.
By Chilao
April 25, 2006 09:50 AM | Link to this
sorry, yes, TORAH. was keying fast, yes I know that one, wish I had saved that web-site, but do not remember what I was even searching on to come across it, probably “s-x and puritans” or something like that.
By lozen
April 25, 2006 10:15 AM | Link to this
Good joke Jack.
I heard an interview with Fran Leibowitz (sp. ?) that cracked me up. She said she doesn’t mind if people are religious and pray and all that, but she just doesn’t want to hear about it all the time. What religious people don’t understand, she said, is when you start talking to an atheist about religion - any religion - it sounds just like, “And then mama bear said….”
By The72John
April 25, 2006 10:15 AM | Link to this
hmmm…is the blog crashing again…no comments in 26 minutes.
By lozen
April 25, 2006 10:25 AM | Link to this
This is really getting frustrating with this blog!
By Chilao
April 25, 2006 10:26 AM | Link to this
We probably could have pointed out to someone yesterday, well, asked, if he had ever had a Secular Humanist knock on his door and try to convince him to be a Secular Humanist. hmmmmmmmmmmm. or even a Bolshevik. LOL
By Chilao
April 25, 2006 10:29 AM | Link to this
And then mama bear said or that what the dog hears: “blahblahblahblah-Walk-blahblahblah-Cracker-blahblahblah-Outside”.
By Monica
April 25, 2006 10:30 AM | Link to this
Out of curiosity, Is there anyone out there in cyber-blog-space who does not profess any ties to religion, yet who thinks people should not have premarital sex?
By Netbanker
April 25, 2006 10:36 AM | Link to this
I’m off to many meetings today, but thought I’d throw out this information related strictly to marriage with a link to the site
It is very hard to be able to establish a true date on the first marriages although the Old Testament in the Bible does mention a little about marriage as it was considered a family and household affair. The oldest male relative was the caretaker of the girls and the prospective husband would ask the father for the girl after first bringing him gifts to win his approval. The mother was dominated by the father and had no choice in the matter. The father would transfer the daughter to the prospective husband in public as this showed that he approved this transfer and that the groom had the father’s approval. After this transfer the bride and groom ate a meal together with the families and then the groom took the bride home. In the Old Testament of the Bible there is no mention of a formal exchange of vows or of a preacher or priest being present at this union.
In the time of the Roman Empire (17 B.C.- A.D. 476) the lower classes who became Christians later had common law or free marriages. The father would deliver the bride and the agreement of the two was called a consensus to wed. Then eventually as Christianity spread the church interpreted a “free” marriage as a conscience marriage. This agreement meant that each partner was to keep the marriage vows and the marriage intact.
There were Romans who were very wealthy who would sign documents consisting of listing property rights (Net Question: So would these be the first pre-nups?) and letting all know that they wanted this union to be legalized and not to be thought of as a common law marriage. Thus this began the official recording of marriages as we do today. Roman men could dissolve the marriage any time as it was a male privilege, not one accorded to females.
In A.D. 527-565 during the rein of Justinian lawyers drew up laws called the Justinian Code and this was a regulation of their daily life including marriage. Up until the time of the Justinian Code just saying you were married was enough.
Until the ninth century marriages were not church involved. Up until the twelfth century there were blessings and prayers during the ceremony and the couple would offer their own prayers. Then priests asked that an agreement be made in their presence. Then religion was added to the ceremony.
English weddings in the thirteenth century among the upper class became religious events but the church only blessed the marriage and did not want a legal commitment. In 1563 the Council of Trent required that Catholic marriages be celebrated at a Catholic church by a priest and before two witnesses. By the eighteenth century the wedding was a religious event in all countries of Europe.
In Colonial times in North America the customs of the old countries were followed. There were some who only wanted a civil ceremony and not a religious ceremony. The Colonists who wanted civil marriages passed laws to this effect.
Civil magistrates would perform marriage ceremonies and they would even include prayers in the ceremony.
It would appear that historically speaking those espousing that ‘marriage is a sacrament’ and ‘God gave us marriage’ or ‘marriage in the Bible blah, blah, blah’ are basically spouting bunk to it being a religious experience rather than simply a contract. If you just poke around the web or use Google to do some searching you’ll also find that there seems to be a fairly constant rate of about 14% pregnant at the time of marriage for the past several hundred years. So much for all that historical purity, hmmmm?
Lastly…Realistic said it best yesterday. That post is the perfect example of actual parenting rather than the head up the as-s approach of avoiding any mention of sex or talking to one’s children about it. Information does not equal permission.
By The72John
April 25, 2006 10:42 AM | Link to this
Out of curiosity, Is there anyone out there in cyber-blog-space who does not profess any ties to religion, yet who thinks people should not have premarital sex
There may be non-religious people who make the choice to wait for marriage, but only religious people presume to make sweeping statements about how everyone else should behave.
By GOB
April 25, 2006 10:45 AM | Link to this
Out of curiosity, Is there anyone out there in cyber-blog-space who does not profess any ties to religion, yet who thinks people should not have premarital sex?
I think you have to qualify the question a little bit (much like 72John said earlier). “People” is such a broad word, and I think it confuses the issue. I dont think a 15 year old should be out having sex, but at some point, when they become an adult, I dont think that marriage is a pre-req for it.
If religion is out of the equation, a 15 year old should still not be having sex, but a 30 year old is able to handle the emoitional, as well as physical aspects of it.
By chuck
April 25, 2006 10:53 AM | Link to this
Personal choice? That’s fine Renee, but what about a person who has AIDS, or Herpes or whatever, and doesn’t tell the people he/she has sex with? Are ya’ll saying that you are willing to take that chance?
I had a friend who was just married in Alabama. They don’t even have to take a blood test over there. That is just insane.
Tim, herpes simplex (cold sores) and herpes COMPLEX are NOT the same thing. That kind of thinking is one of the reasons we have an epidemic of STD’s in the world. You want to talk about AIDS in Africa? Teach abstinence over there and you will see a difference. The good news coming out of abstinence only sex education is that the numbers of STD’s are slowly beginning to go down.
By chuck
April 25, 2006 10:55 AM | Link to this
Chilao, Secular Humanists don’t need to go door-to-door. They control most of the country’s educational system.
By The72John
April 25, 2006 11:02 AM | Link to this
Personal choice? That’s fine Renee, but what about a person who has AIDS, or Herpes or whatever, and doesn’t tell the people he/she has sex with? Are ya’ll saying that you are willing to take that chance?
Hmm, apparently someone has never heard of extra-marital affairs. You don’t seriously believe that there’s no risk involved for married people, too, do you?
Again, it’s always the worst-case scenarios with the fanatics. OMG, you’ll get AIDS! You’ll DIE! Don’t have sex! It will kill you!
Yawn. Don’t you ever get tired of your own histrionics?
By kimberly
April 25, 2006 11:03 AM | Link to this
Netbanker, excellent information! I’ve always thought the Thumpers’ ramblings on the subject were a load of bunk, and completely unsupported by anything I’d ever read in the Bible. To my knowledge, Ward & June Cleaver appear no where in the Old or New Testaments!
By Chilao
April 25, 2006 11:03 AM | Link to this
They control most of the country’s educational system. Oh, now I understand why religious people DO have to go door to door. They no longer control the country’s educational system. Thank for the clarification.
By Tim
April 25, 2006 11:05 AM | Link to this
Chuck… read my posts before replying… I already stated that they are not the same thing… I stated that it still isn’t going to scare anyone into not having sex… you think there is a correlation between abstinence only programs and decline in new cases of STDs… that is pretty amusing… even the pope is now admitting that condoms may be the lesser of two evils seeing as abstinence only programs ARE NOT WORKING
By kimberly
April 25, 2006 11:06 AM | Link to this
HAHAHAHAHA! Chuckie’s on fire today! Hahahaha! herpes complex STOP IT! Hahaha! Preaching abstinence is saving Africa…. HAHAHA! Save it for the comedy club, Dude, you’re KILLIN’ me!
By Renee
April 25, 2006 11:07 AM | Link to this
Personal choice? That’s fine Renee, but what about a person who has AIDS, or Herpes or whatever, and doesn’t tell the people he/she has sex with? Are ya’ll saying that you are willing to take that chance?
Ummm…I don’t see how this equates to “Should People Have Pre-Marital Sex”. Either you protect your premarital or marital sex (if no blood test) or that could be an option.
By GOB
April 25, 2006 11:08 AM | Link to this
To my knowledge, Ward & June Cleaver appear no where in the Old or New Testaments!
Or the 50’s or 60’s to be realistic. It is the equivalent of people in 50 years watching an episode of Friends and assuming that in the 90s no one really worked and had no money issues and life was just a big party.
By Jewish and Proud of It
April 25, 2006 11:13 AM | Link to this
The good news coming out of abstinence only sex education is that the numbers of STD’s are slowly beginning to go down
Your wrong there Chuck, the rate of STD’s is dropping because of EVERY OTHER kind of information on STD’s EXCEPT abstinence only education. What is that anyway? Abstinence only education is someone telling someone else that they can’t have sex outside of marriage. What kind of an education is that? Seems more like preaching to me…
By The72John
April 25, 2006 11:15 AM | Link to this
Wikipedia is such fun…let’s look at Secular Humanism…
a humanist philosophy that upholds reason, ethics, and justice and specifically rejects rituals and ceremonies as a means to affirm their life stance
Oh noes! How awful! But wait, there’s more…
Secular humanism has appeal to atheists, agnostics, freethinkers, empiricists, objectivists, rationalists, skeptics and materialists, as well as to some Buddhists, Hindus and Confucians
Obviously, none of these (particularly freethinkers, empiricists or rationalists) describe any of the religious fundies who get SOOOO worked up about the Secular Humanist boogeyman.
They’re so silly when they are all worked up.
By Chilao
April 25, 2006 11:17 AM | Link to this
I think it was Ward and June and Sally and Anna and Becky, not to mention those readily available Chaldean slave girls.
By The72John
April 25, 2006 11:24 AM | Link to this
The STD argument reminds me of Mean Girls, where the coach teaching health is shown saying “Don’t have sex. If you have sex, you WILL get Chlamydia and you WILL die”.
By Tim
April 25, 2006 11:27 AM | Link to this
“Don’t have sex. If you have sex, you WILL get Chlamydia and you WILL die”.
when in reality if you get chlamydia you just need to go get you a nice shot of penicillin and be sent on your lil sex happy way
By Tim
April 25, 2006 11:30 AM | Link to this
oh and FYI… oral herpes and genital herpes are both caused by the herpes simplex virus
By kimberly
April 25, 2006 11:32 AM | Link to this
on your lil sex happy way Hee hee… heeheeheehee!
By Netbanker
April 25, 2006 11:39 AM | Link to this
what about a person who has AIDS, or Herpes or whatever, and doesn’t tell the people he/she has sex with? Are ya’ll saying that you are willing to take that chance? Unless one can absolutely guarantee that they are in a monogamous relationship one should ALWAYS use protection if concerned about sexually transmitted diseases. Many who have HIV or Herpes don’t even know it so they’re passing along viruses innocently. If you want to know for sure, then ask your partner BEFORE engaging in sex rather than relying on the other person to volunteer the info.
Now it’s education time…especially for the educator (Chuck this is for you) people have HIV not AIDS unless they are HIV positive AND they’ve been diagnosed with at least 1 of a rather long list of infections or diseases that people get even when they aren’t HIV positive. You can’t catch AIDS only the HI Virus. So what that means is one can be HIV positive and not have AIDS. You’d think that in 2006 people would know the difference.
AIDS-Defining Condition Any of a list of illnesses that, when occurring in an HIV-infected person, leads to a diagnosis of AIDS, the most serious stage of HIV infection. AIDS is also diagnosed if an HIV-infected person has a CD4 count below 200 cells/mm3, whether or not that person has an AIDS-defining condition. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) published a list of AIDS-defining conditions in 1993. The 26 conditions include candidiasis, cytomegalovirus disease, Kaposi’s sarcoma, mycobacterium avium complex, pneumocystis carinii pneumonia, recurrent pneumonia, progressive multifocal leukoencephalopathy, pulmonary tuberculosis, invasive cervical cancer, and wasting syndrome.
By The72John
April 25, 2006 11:46 AM | Link to this
You’d think that in 2006 people would know the difference
People who care know the difference. People who are upset that we are spending so much money on the gay plague don’t care.
By Monica
April 25, 2006 11:48 AM | Link to this
Can we all agree on the fact that we will never agree on this topic and move on to something else? The ajc.com front page (homepage) today featured a picture of a prom dress that costs $3600. Is that disturbing to anyone besides me?
By RF
April 25, 2006 11:52 AM | Link to this
To my knowledge, Ward & June Cleaver appear no where in the Old or New Testaments
HAHAHA!! Thanks kimberly- I needed that laugh!
Teach abstinence in Africa?? HAHAHAHAHA!! Yeah, let’s take people who are too poor to have running water or electricity, who have never even heard of birth control and couldn’t afford it anyway, and tell them not to have sex. Yeah, that’ll do it. Just like Nancy Reagan’s “just say NO” campaign actually reduced drug use in this country.
By Netbanker
April 25, 2006 11:53 AM | Link to this
It is the equivalent of people in 50 years watching an episode of Friends and assuming that in the 90s no one really worked and had no money issues and life was just a big party. WAIT! You mean people worked in the 90’s, had money problem, and it wasn’t a big party? Who are these people and where did they live? Why did they choose to live this way?
OK…on another topic, but since we’re poking holes in the arguments of conservatives and specifically christian conservatives. In the Treaty of Tripoli (started under Washington and completed under Adams) it specifically states that our country is not FOUNDED on the christian religion. That is not to say that we may not have been a ‘christian nation’ due to the majority of residents subscribing to any one of the numerous branches of christian belief.
Here’s your proof: “The 1797 treaty with Tripoli was one of the many treaties in which each country officially recognized the religion of the other in an attempt to prevent further escalation of a “Holy War” between Christians and Muslims.17 Consequently, Article XI of that treaty stated:
As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion as it has in itself no character of enmity [hatred] against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen [Muslims] and as the said States [America] have never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.”
By Tim
April 25, 2006 11:56 AM | Link to this
Monica… we can DEFINITELY agree on that!!!!! if I had a daughter and she came home and said “dad I found a dress I want for prom and it costs $3000” I would put her in the car and drive her to the nearest mental institution and leave her there until she had a little better grasp on reality!
By RF
April 25, 2006 11:57 AM | Link to this
Therein lies the problem Net. People don’t want to know the specifics about HIV because they think their hetero, monogamous lifestyle protects them from the ‘gay plague’. The ignorant and self-assured are the dangerous ones because they don’t think they can get anything.
By RF
April 25, 2006 12:04 PM | Link to this
As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion
Net- you blasphemer you! Everyone back up, the lightning bolts should be hitting soon!
By Netbanker
April 25, 2006 12:05 PM | Link to this
Monica…I find the cost of that dress to be outrageous and any parent who would buy it for their child is out of their freakin’ mind IMO. I also don’t understand the point of spending thousands on a wedding dress that is only going to be worn for a few hours and then never again. What’s the point? Why not buy a ‘used’ dress and spend the money saved for the honeymoon, or the reception, or better yet towards the down payment on a house?
It’s not just proms or wedding that are getting out of control. My Jewish friends have all been talking about how expensive and elaborate Bar/Bat Mitzvahs have become. Makes you begin to think that we’re truly going the way of the Roman Empire…our ‘orgies’ are overly elaborate parties without the sex. Just look at the birthday parties for kids these days.
By Randy
April 25, 2006 12:06 PM | Link to this
I see Lozen didn’t answer my question from 3:45 yesterday. Hit to close to the heart???
By Billy
April 25, 2006 12:08 PM | Link to this
Chuck, you jackass — There is no “herpes complex”. It’s herpes simplex type II. And Georgia no longer requires a blood test, either. You want a reason? I’m leaning toward the neocon religious nutjobs wanting to break down any and all barriers to marriage so long as the two consenting adults do not have matching genitalia.
By lozen
April 25, 2006 12:11 PM | Link to this
Is there anything religious fundies aren’t afraid of? They’re afraid not to be saved because they might go to hell. They’re afraid to have sex because they might get a disease. They’re afraid to read anything about any other religion because they might have to think. They’re afraid to …. well name anything.
By The72John
April 25, 2006 12:21 PM | Link to this
See, Billy’s only been here two days and already he realizes that Chuck is a jackass!
Randy - maybe YOU and people LIKE YOU are the reason that some people reject the idea of religion. Ever think about that?
By Randy
April 25, 2006 12:22 PM | Link to this
Sexual diseases goes back to the old saying. “Those who don’t learn from history are doomed to repeat it”. The human race has learned that sex out of a safe environment can be very harmful and even deadly. Jesus knew this, so the bible warns against different kinds of sex(men laying with men being an abomination etc). But many humans being so selfish and self-centered say “I can do whatever I want”. I essence they play God. Then when it hits, WOW, I can’t believe this happened to me. Death is the same way, many are in denial, then go WOW this is going to happen to me. Society learns a lesson, corrects it(or God does), then after it has been corrected for a period, they go right back to the bad behavior. I would bet that if everybody quite smoking for say 50 years, after a period of time they would start back.
By Chilao
April 25, 2006 12:22 PM | Link to this
Originally blood tests for a marriage license were primarily for syphilis, laws enacted before it was more easily cured. Granted, syphilis is actually back on the rise, it a different strain even. Most states that still require a blood test test ONLY for syphilis, but one(MS) does sickle-cell and one other test. HIV testing is only done if the person requests it but no state requires HIV testing for the license.(that I just quickly learned at least).
By kimberly
April 25, 2006 12:22 PM | Link to this
I thought “faith” was supposed to take away the fear… Yet they appear to have more. Hmmm… Interesting paradox, Lozen.
By Chilao
April 25, 2006 12:25 PM | Link to this
and the primary reason for the laws in the 1930s related to syphilis testing had nothing to do with the health of the two people applying for the license, and everything to do with the health of any potential children.
By lozen
April 25, 2006 12:25 PM | Link to this
Bless your heart Randy. Are you really worried about me going to hell? Didn’t you read what Fran said (I posted it above today)? I agree with her 150 percent. i don’t care if you believe in god. I don’t care whether you go to church or not. I don’t care if you pray 24/7. That’s your business! I just don’t want to hear about it all the time. Okay? I grew up in the south where fundamentalist “religion is the opiate of the people”… It is hard for me to understand how anyone living in the 21st century, who has had any education at all, can think the way you do, bless your heart.
By Jack
April 25, 2006 12:26 PM | Link to this
What about Bob and Ted and Carole and Alice?
By Billy
April 25, 2006 12:32 PM | Link to this
72John — I’ve been here more than 2 days! Granted, I’m here some weeks more than others, and I very rarely post every day in a week, but I’ve been here plenty long enough to be familiar with Chuck, Randy, and Boscoe, who luckily for us seems to be absent.
Randy — Exactly where does Jesus even remotely address homosexuality? Where? Book, chapter, and verse, please?
“corrects it(or God does), then after it has been corrected for a period, they go right back to the bad behavior.”
So, you’re saying God is a bad teacher/parent?
By The72John
April 25, 2006 12:32 PM | Link to this
The human race has learned that sex out of a safe environment can be very harmful and even deadly. Jesus knew this, so the bible warns against different kinds of sex(men laying with men being an abomination etc)
Is this the first anti-gay comment of the week from the religious nutcases? I think so…tuesday, hmm…that’s not even a record. And, just for the record, Randy, not only does Jesus never say anything about men with men, but the passage you are referring to predates Jesus by a long haul.
Nice display of typical fundy ignorance, however.
But many humans being so selfish and self-centered say “I can do whatever I want”. I essence they play God.
Funny…I thought that telling OTHER people how to live and what to do was playing God…you know, what you and chuckster try to do all the time.
Silly me.
By kimberly
April 25, 2006 12:33 PM | Link to this
Jack, um… that lil’ foursome is playing out in Kennesaw, I hear. {;->
By Jack
April 25, 2006 12:33 PM | Link to this
I meant Bob, Carole, Ted and Alice.
By chuck
April 25, 2006 12:34 PM | Link to this
And this guy was only on here a few minutes and realized this about you john:
*By SavageNationalist
April 24, 2006 10:54 AM | Link to this
The72John……of course anyone who doesn’t embrace your secularist, humanist viewpoints is an ignorant, uninformed, Neanderthal. Your default response is nothing more than standard leftist rhetoric from someone who is a blind follower of Air America, Michael Moore, Sean Penn and other such “intellectual” giants.*
and this:
It’s obvious there’s no point in debating with someone as dismissive of reality as yourself. I’ll leave you to the intellectual & morally bankrupt gutters with your fellow Bolsheviks on this post.
By chuck
April 25, 2006 12:38 PM | Link to this
From the CDC:
However, new challenges have emerged. After reaching a nadir in 2000, overall diagnoses of P&S syphilis are again on the increase. Today, more than 60% of new infections are diagnosed in men who have sex with men.2 Syphilis is now increasingly diagnosed in the private sector, presenting concerns about the effectiveness of the identification and management in this setting.
By RF
April 25, 2006 12:39 PM | Link to this
Randy- most of the ‘behaviors’ you describe have always been around and always will be. The difference is that at various points in history, there was so much negativity that it forced people to hide the truth and be ashamed of it. While I’m sure the current fundamental populace would like to think all abominations could be eradicated by legislation, you need to realize they never “go away” they just go underground.
By chuck
April 25, 2006 12:39 PM | Link to this
Also from the CDC:
Sexually transmitted diseases (STDs) continue to be a major health threat in the United States. CDC estimates that 19 million STD infections occur annually, almost half of them among youth ages 15 to 24.1 In addition to potentially severe health consequences, STDs pose a tremendous economic burden, with direct medical costs as high as $15.5 billion in a single year.2
By Jack
April 25, 2006 12:41 PM | Link to this
Hi Sweetie. Yesterday’s conversation was right up my alley and I had to do real work most of the day. Bummer. The group thing never interested me. I like to pay all of my attention to one person at a time. :)
By The72John
April 25, 2006 12:41 PM | Link to this
Gee, Chuck…you mean I should be upset that someone who starts off with this load of canned right-wing garbage:
Candide, you’re obviously a hardcore America-hating, Marxist heathen. No doubt you have a portrait of Lennin next to the USSR/CCCP flag in your midtown loft. It’s socialist vermin like yourself that are ruining this great Nation founded on Judeo-Christian values by our forefathers. Only unthinking sheeple buy into this “immorality-choice” = freedom pitch…a lie fabricated & sold en-masse by the far left. I submit it subversives like yourself (& your seditious ACLU breathren) who should be interned for the safety of real, true Americans
doesn’t like me and calls me a Bolshevik! Why, my goodness! Obviously, he is a superior intellect.
By Jewish and Proud of It
April 25, 2006 12:43 PM | Link to this
Sexually transmitted diseases (STDs) continue to be a major health threat in the United States. CDC estimates that 19 million STD infections occur annually, almost half of them among youth ages 15 to 24.1 In addition to potentially severe health consequences, STDs pose a tremendous economic burden, with direct medical costs as high as $15.5 billion in a single year.2
So much for that TERRIFIC abstinence only education hey Chuck?
By The72John
April 25, 2006 12:47 PM | Link to this
Um…Didn’t Chuck earlier say something like “the best thing about abstinence education is that the rate of STDs is falling”? And now…he’s quoting statistics that display the opposite…
Hmm…inconsitency from a religious lunatic. How refreshing.
Oh, and please note that he has once again taken the opportunity to gay bash.
Chuck - surely you understand that it’s important to correctly identify causalities? The cause of STD transmission is promiscuity and unprotected sex. Pre-marital sex may or may not be either of the above. So, why don’t you focus on that? Oh, because you’re a religious fanatic and you are unable to see shades of gray. I forgot.
By chuck
April 25, 2006 12:49 PM | Link to this
JaP, you didn’t answer my question from yesterday. Rather than make you look for it, here it is again:
Totally off the subject, JaP, we studying Bible Prophesy in Church last night and one of the topics that came up concerned the Tribe of Dan. In the Book of Revelations, it speaks of 144,000 Jews who are converted to Christianity during the tribulation period after Christ calls the Church home. There are 12,000 converts from each of the 12 tribes listed as:
tribe of Juda
the tribe of Reuben
the tribe of Gad
the tribe of Aser
the tribe of Nephthalim
the tribe of Manasses
the tribe of Simeon
the tribe of Levi
the tribe of Issachar
the tribe of Zabulon
the tribe of Joseph
the tribe of Benjamin
My question is: “What happened to the tribe of Dan?”
By Chilao
April 25, 2006 12:50 PM | Link to this
See, Billy’s only been here two days and already he realizes that Chuck is a jackass!
is this Siam-Thai Billy? LOL, if so he has been around awhile. Oh, I pulled out the Gray’s last night, must have been a different book with the clear-overlays. This one from 1948, tons of illustrations, but none of the clear-plastic overlay type.
people can read this blog for months, never post, and have a clue when they do post (that’s for Chuck, you play chess, Chuck?. LOL, rhetorical, your SecularHumanism in schools comment made me think probably not.)
and recently learned, when googling Diane’s stalking book, that this W-2-W column is syndicated nationally, not just at the ajc. who know….
By lozen
April 25, 2006 12:51 PM | Link to this
When you study the bible stories you soon see that you really can’t count on god. Poor Moses followed Yahweh all that time in the desert. Moses hounded the Israelites and wouldn’t let them worship all the other gods and kept bringing them back to Yahweh worship. What did he get for that? In the end god didn’t even allow him to see the holy land, because Moses got mad about something and hit the ground with his staff? Yahweh is so capricious you never know what he might do to you.
By kimberly
April 25, 2006 12:51 PM | Link to this
Chuck, do you pay as much attention to your wife (who is most likely careening helplessly through HER OWN sexual peak right this very minute) as you do to your “research”, your bible studies, your scriptural biopsies, and the arduous, never-ending task of admonishing all the rest of us for our faults? Wouldn’t want her to get tired of waiting and stray out here (amongst the dogs and the herpes complex) for what you should provide, now would you?
By Chilao
April 25, 2006 12:55 PM | Link to this
My question is: “What happened to the tribe of Dan?
lion-food, per the book in the Old Testament. hahahahah
on that feline thought, did you know leopards were wild in Israel until at least the 1970s? Golan-Heights/thereabouts region.
By lozen
April 25, 2006 12:57 PM | Link to this
Chuck, “My question is: “What happened to the tribe of Dan?”
To answer your question: “And then mama bear said…..”
By chuck
April 25, 2006 12:57 PM | Link to this
Again, john, you display your lack of understanding of BASIC RESEARCH. The statistics of the report don’t show an increase in ALL STD’s just syphyllis. The others have decreased slowly through the past several years. The quote that you put in there SAYS NOTHING about rates of occurrences, only thaty it CONTINUES to be a major problem.
Feel free to go to the CDC website and look at the stats.
By The72John
April 25, 2006 12:58 PM | Link to this
Kim, we all know that when Chuck’s wife gets out of line and goes against God’s plan for being a proper, meek, submissive, obedient woman, that Chuck reminds her with the back of his hand.
Then he goes back to his obsessive search for everyone else’s faults.
By GOB
April 25, 2006 12:59 PM | Link to this
*WAIT! You mean people worked in the 90’s, had money problem, and it wasn’t a big party? Who are these people and where did they live? Why did they choose to live this way? *
Well, the 90’s were my high school and college years, so I guess for me, it was a big party…
By chuck
April 25, 2006 01:01 PM | Link to this
Kimmie, if your husband had paid as much attention to you as I do my wife, you’d still be married.
By The72John
April 25, 2006 01:06 PM | Link to this
What does not knowing about research - which I do, Chuck…no matter how many times you say otherwise doesn’t make it true, snookems - have to do with responding to your cut-and-paste? Oh…nothing! And..what quote are you talking about? The only quote I made was you singing the praises of abstinence-only education, like the credulous little robot-Christer you are.
You still remain unable to respond to the basic “It’s not pre-marital sex, it’s indisciminate sex” argument. Because you can’t, can you? All you can do is quote the party-line argument of the religious fanatic. Sex is bad! You’ll get a disease! You’ll die!
Admit it, Chuck…you cut yourself, right?
By The72John
April 25, 2006 01:07 PM | Link to this
Kimmie, if your husband had paid as much attention to you as I do my wife, you’d still be married
Probably because abused women are often afraid to leave the abusive, murdering spouse.
By Billy
April 25, 2006 01:18 PM | Link to this
“By chuck
April 25, 2006 01:01 PM | Link to this
Kimmie, if your husband had paid as much attention to you as I do my wife, you’d still be married.”
I’m sure you do show your wife plenty of attention, Chuck. Just not to her dirty, filthy, evil minge, right?
By kimberly
April 25, 2006 01:21 PM | Link to this
Yes, Chuck, I tried the good-girl route for quite some time. Actually WAS a Baptist, church-going, sweet, submissive lil’ wifey. Cooked, cleaned, fetched, praised my man, and prayed all the time. Wanna know what REWARDS I reaped? Violence, humiliation, & isolation, Praise the Lord.
There’s a reason we say “no thanks” to you Thumpers, Dude. I’ll take my chances out here untethered by those ridiculous ideals about the sanctity of marriage. You really want to make Gay people suffer? Let ‘em marry! Hahaha!
By GOB
April 25, 2006 01:21 PM | Link to this
Just not to her dirty, filthy, evil minge, right?
Somebody watched Southpark - what about Gary?
By Netbanker
April 25, 2006 01:23 PM | Link to this
Everyone back up, the lightning bolts should be hitting soon! Worry not, RF! The tiara also contains a lightening rod feature. hehehehe
What about Bob and Ted and Carole and Alice? And let’s not forget Laverne, Shirley, Lennie, and Squiqqy.
Sexual diseases goes back to the old saying. “Those who don’t learn from history are doomed to repeat it”. So Randy, what do sexual diseases have to do with repeating history and why do we keep dooming ourselves by repeating religious wars that result in massive numbers of dead, maimed, wounded, homeless, parentless, hungry people?
By The72John
April 25, 2006 01:24 PM | Link to this
By the way, Chuckie, before you start impugning the research skills of other people, you might want to remove yet another tremendous BEAM from your own eye…it’s the one on the left, right next to the “arrogant bastard” log and the “self-righteous p******” timber.
You’re very fond of posting statistics that make no attempt to define causality and then placing your own slant on them and expecting us to take as a given that you are correct.
That’s exactly what you’ve done here - you’ve posted a small snippet of data showing that a particular disease is on the rise, and then you make the unfounded assumption that it proves your argument.
Statistics showing a disease on the rise prove only ONE thing, Chuck, and ONE THING ONLY. That the disease is on the rise.
By chuck
April 25, 2006 01:25 PM | Link to this
I apologize 72john. It was Jewish and Proud of it that reposted the quote, not you.
By RF
April 25, 2006 01:28 PM | Link to this
STD’s are still a problem because soooo many people here in an educted country don’t use protection. And we think teaching abstinence in Africa will help?? What I’d like to see is how much STD’s have risen in relation to the rise in human population? Have STD’s increased at a rate equal to or exceeding population growth?
By chuck
April 25, 2006 01:28 PM | Link to this
Billy, you are just about as base and disgusting as john
By Renee
April 25, 2006 01:30 PM | Link to this
Oops I meant prom dress…told you I’m just really out of it today.
By Billy
April 25, 2006 01:31 PM | Link to this
GOB — Who’s Gary? I first heard it here.
Axe wound, gash, spaz-hole, flange, spam-purse, snatch, flaps, minge, flange, slot, box, mound.
By The72John
April 25, 2006 01:33 PM | Link to this
Heck, I’m not base, Chuck. I’m just not a stuck-up puritanical prude like you are.
By Jack
April 25, 2006 01:36 PM | Link to this
I doubt Chuck is an abuser. He just enjoys fishing and he gets plenty of bites on this blog.
By GOB
April 25, 2006 01:37 PM | Link to this
It was on Southpark last week. Gary was the backdoor, so to speak…Minge and Gary were the two main characters in the episode…and it was about Oprah…Good times.
By Billy
April 25, 2006 01:46 PM | Link to this
Studies have shown that kids who make abstinence pledges end up breaking those pledges 88% of the time. They do still start having sex later than kids who don’t make those pledges, but when they do they are less likely to practice safe sex; they have the same rates of STD infections as kids who don’t make the pledge. Male pledgers are less less likely to use condoms (40% vs. 59% of non-pledgers) and female pledgers are half as likely to get tested. (14% vs. 28%)
Most shockingly for me, 2 percent of non-pledgers said they had had anal or oral sex but not intercourse, compared with 13 percent of “consistent pledgers.”
What does this mean? Well, Chuch and Randy, it means that nothing is going to keep people from having sex. And if you think you can keep your kids from doing it, I hope you won’t be too mad when a charge shows up on your family health insurance for the treatment of your 15 year-old daughter’s gonorrhea of the throat.
By Billy
April 25, 2006 01:48 PM | Link to this
Nice, GOB. Nice.
By Netbanker
April 25, 2006 01:52 PM | Link to this
teaching abstinence in Africa OMG! I just saw a pig fly by my window!
By The72John
April 25, 2006 01:53 PM | Link to this
What does this mean? Well, Chuch and Randy, it means that nothing is going to keep people from having sex. And if you think you can keep your kids from doing it, I hope you won’t be too mad when a charge shows up on your family health insurance for the treatment of your 15 year-old daughter’s gonorrhea of the throat
Personally, I’m hoping for his son to be the one with gonorrhea of the throat. I really want one of Chuck’s children to be gay, so he will experience years of self-imposed guilt, and then prove what a true Christian he is by throwing his son out and never seeing him again.
By Jack
April 25, 2006 02:02 PM | Link to this
Oh John……
By chuck
April 25, 2006 02:04 PM | Link to this
OR, I could just put my head in the sand like you and deny that 19 million occurrences of STD’s per year is a problem. Are you even aware what 19 million new cases each year of STD’s will do to the health and well-being of our country?
There are approximately 40 million people in that 15-24 age group according to the U.S. Census. Since HALF of the 19 million new cases occur in this age group, that means that approximately 1 in 4 will contract a sexually transmitted disease (This is not entirely accurate because the report does not state whether or not people among those 19 million new cases people are counted twice if they contract diseases at 2 different times). Even if we assume that half of those are repeaters, that would still mean that 1 in 8 15-24 year olds will contract an STD next year.
Only an IMBECILE would deny that that is a major problem. In fact it seems to me that the so-called scare tactic is in fact A REALITY. How many of those who abstain are going to contract an STD? HMMMM…anybody?
By Jack
April 25, 2006 02:08 PM | Link to this
But I got it off a toilet seat. Honest. LOL
By GOB
April 25, 2006 02:09 PM | Link to this
Even if we assume that half of those are repeaters, that would still mean that 1 in 8 15-24 year olds will contract an STD next year.
That means that 87.5% wont contract an STD.
By Scalia
April 25, 2006 02:11 PM | Link to this
72John is Karen Walker and Chuck is Beverly Leslie.
By chuck
April 25, 2006 02:13 PM | Link to this
The key for parents is TRUST BUT VERIFY, as my favorite President of all time said.
Know where your kids are, who they are with and then verify that with your own eyeballs. Show up at the movie theater to make sure that they are where they said they would be. Show up at the friend’s house. At the library where he/she is supposed to be studying. Talk to them. Ask questions. THAT IS YOUR JOB. I don’t care how old they look or how trustworthy they USUALLY are. Until they are out on their own, they are your responsibility. Take it seriously.
By Renee
April 25, 2006 02:14 PM | Link to this
Personally, I’m hoping for his son to be the one with gonorrhea of the throat.
Wow John. Don’t let him get you all worked up.
By Zack
April 25, 2006 02:14 PM | Link to this
No, we shouldn’t.
God says not to.
I’m sure 75% of the forum will disagree with me and attack me, but that event’s totally beside the point. As I said last week, we don’t need to concern ourselves with what humans (we’re not animals, by the way) say or think; we’re to seek what God says.
If you don’t think the Bible is God’s Word, I ask you to read it and seek the truth and see if your theory holds up. Trust me; it will not. You’ll see your former sociology professor for the staunch liar he was/is.
By chuck
April 25, 2006 02:15 PM | Link to this
THAT YEAR GOB. They are in that age range for 9 years. Do the math.
By chuck
April 25, 2006 02:16 PM | Link to this
By the way, Gob. If I told you there was a 1 in 8 chance of having it CUT OFF if you did some sort of activity…would you do it?
By Billy
April 25, 2006 02:16 PM | Link to this
Chuck — “Only an IMBECILE would deny that that is a major problem. In fact it seems to me that the so-called scare tactic is in fact A REALITY. How many of those who abstain are going to contract an STD?”
No one is denying that STDs are a problem. And of course no one who comletely abstains from all forms of sex is going to get an STD. But that’s the point of that whole study — people aren’t going to abstain. And when those who say they will end up caving in to that most natural of desires, do you want them taking care of themselves — using condoms, getting tested, not engaging in extra-risk activities — or not?
By GOB
April 25, 2006 02:20 PM | Link to this
This conversation has succesfully gotten the “everyone has AIDS’ song from Team America stuck in my head…Thanks…
Come on everybody, we’ve got quilt’n to do…
By GOB
April 25, 2006 02:25 PM | Link to this
By the way, Gob. If I told you there was a 1 in 8 chance of having it CUT OFF if you did some sort of activity…would you do it?
I guess that would depend on how good the activity was…
By The72John
April 25, 2006 02:25 PM | Link to this
Only an IMBECILE would deny that that is a major problem. In fact it seems to me that the so-called scare tactic is in fact A REALITY. How many of those who abstain are going to contract an STD? HMMMM…anybody
How many automobile accidents occur each year in this country? Seems to me there are two alternatives: we can stop driving all together, or we can make the assumption that people are going to continue to drive and make the cars safer so that accidents either don’t happen or are less damaging when they do.
It doesn’t matter how many times you say it, Chuck. It is logically inconsistent to suggest that pre-marital sex = STD. Marriage does not make one immune to STDs.
This is a typical fundamentalist red herring - when your biblical arguments are rejected or declared irrelevant, you whip out the STD issue.
It doesn’t matter if one is married or not - if one is monogamous and careful, one won’t get an STD. If one is NOT monogamous and careful, one might. Plain and simple. The marriage issue is just religious fanatics pushing their orthodoxy onto the rest of the world, as usual.
By Julia
April 25, 2006 02:28 PM | Link to this
Gee, with the things you guys say to Chuck is it any wonder he gets more than a little defensive?
I mean sometimes you guys go waaaaaaaaay over the top in your insults.
I can just see Chuck and 72 duking it out in a boxing ring or at a wrestling match. (For the wrestling fans out there…I see Chuck as Rick Flair-“Nature Boy” and 72 John as Ricky Steamboat or Sting-back when he was a blond. )
By The72John
April 25, 2006 02:32 PM | Link to this
Wow John. Don’t let him get you all worked up
I am a believer in justice. This would be poetic justice, no? For a bigot to be inextricably linked to the object of his hatred, for as long as he lives, and unable to ever escape from the consequences of his prejudice?
Not even Sisyphus or Oedipus could have suffered any worse.
If you don’t think the Bible is God’s Word, I ask you to read it and seek the truth and see if your theory holds up. Trust me; it will not. You’ll see your former sociology professor for the staunch liar he was/is
Zack, why do you keep obsessing about sociology professors? Have you ever even HAD a sociology class? They don’t teach about religion one way or the other…
Seek help, psycopath.
By Jack
April 25, 2006 02:34 PM | Link to this
“I guess that would depend on how good the activity was”
Liar. Nothing is worth giving up the package. Nothing.
By Scalia
April 25, 2006 02:37 PM | Link to this
Umm…wrestling. John Cena…and Stone Cold Steve Austin. The Rock…I feel like Blanche after describing Ironcast pecs and thighs that can crush a bear.
By GOB
April 25, 2006 02:38 PM | Link to this
Liar. Nothing is worth giving up the package. Nothing.
Some things might be worth a 1 in 8 chance though…And it would depend on who it was with too.
By The72John
April 25, 2006 02:40 PM | Link to this
Gee, with the things you guys say to Chuck is it any wonder he gets more than a little defensive?
I mean sometimes you guys go waaaaaaaaay over the top in your insults
Yes, and those poor Nazis don’t deserve to be maligned, either!
You’ll forgive me, Julia, but if you feel sorry for Chuck, then you aren’t the decent human I thought you were. Chuck is the one throwing around anti-gay slurs. Chuck is the one condeming people to Hell on a regular basis. Chuck deserves every ill-wish he receives.
By Billy
April 25, 2006 02:42 PM | Link to this
Nothing is worth giving up the package. Nothing.
I dunno. If it meant experiencing orgasm the way my wife does…
By kimberly
April 25, 2006 02:45 PM | Link to this
Hee hee…. Can I just borrow it for a few minutes? Heeheehee!
By kimberly
April 25, 2006 02:52 PM | Link to this
Gay bashing is one of the most utterly useless and pointless expenditures of energy I can imagine. Seriously… WHY? Your time would be better spent pulling your own toenails out with pliers. Does you wife know you’re too tired to satisfy her because you spent all your energy spreading hate in the name of “the Lord?”
By Monica
April 25, 2006 02:54 PM | Link to this
For what it’s worth, Julia, I still think that you are a decent human being.
By Jack
April 25, 2006 02:56 PM | Link to this
‘I dunno. If it meant experiencing orgasm the way my wife does…”
Yes. Women’s are much more intense. That’s why it is better to give than to receive.
By Jack
April 25, 2006 02:58 PM | Link to this
Getting warm in hear…..
By Jack
April 25, 2006 03:04 PM | Link to this
Well you know…they asked us to stay for tea…and have some fun.
By chuck
April 25, 2006 03:07 PM | Link to this
Kimmie, does your husband kno…oops. Excuse me. I forgot for a second there.
By chuck
April 25, 2006 03:08 PM | Link to this
And Jack…you know this HOW?
By Jack
April 25, 2006 03:10 PM | Link to this
Yes. I can’t spel worth a sh!t. Sorry. My mind is wandering to places it doesn’t need to be right now…
By Julia
April 25, 2006 03:13 PM | Link to this
Sorry 72. I still like you though. ;)
Thanks Monica. You’re a sweetheart.
And Jack…you’re one of a kind my dear. Don’t ever change. I’ll bet you’re like the Energizer bunny!LOL
By Papa Jack
April 25, 2006 03:14 PM | Link to this
Believe me, I’d never, ever ask the following question of anyone, except for this single caveat. But, when someone advocates chasity before marriage, I think it appropriate to ask, “were you a virgin on your wedding night?”
Is there a word to describe a person who advocates a position on an issue that they do not uphold themselves?
By chuck
April 25, 2006 03:17 PM | Link to this
Papa, the answer to your question is Yes.
By The72John
April 25, 2006 03:22 PM | Link to this
Is there a word to describe a person who advocates a position on an issue that they do not uphold themselves
Chuck.
By Tim
April 25, 2006 03:24 PM | Link to this
Scalia don’t you EVER say that Chuck is the wonderful Beverly Leslie!!!! how dare you… Beverly is actually funny… I did rather enjoy the Blanche Elizabeth Hollingsworth Devereaux reference though
Julia… I’m not defending people bashing Chuck… but if you would have been around a year ago you may understand… Chuck has said some rather rude things to me in that past… he enjoys upsetting people and sinking to similar bashing tactics that others partake in… what part of following the life of Jesus does that represent?
By RF
April 25, 2006 03:24 PM | Link to this
Talk to them. Ask questions. THAT IS YOUR JOB. I don’t care how old they look or how trustworthy they USUALLY are. Until they are out on their own, they are your responsibility. Take it seriously.
That’s about the smartest thing you’ve said all day chuck. I think even the most opposed to you would agree that’s what parents should do. But even that won’t stop all of them from giving in to those urges and taking a chance. Part of the talk needs to include prevention and some good scary pictures of what STD’s can do to you. Once upon a time we showed them that in school and even that didn’t stop all of them—nothing will. All a parent can do is try to prevent it and make sure they know the potential outcomes. It’s then up to the kids, and most of them aren’t abstinent. How many of us were as teens/college students??
By Randy
April 25, 2006 03:29 PM | Link to this
Lozen, Responding to your post of 12:25 today. I go to bible study on sunday nights, the gentleman who leads the group has a MBA from Harvard. I do however see how people who consider themselves educated have more of a problem with faith. Evil has told them “hey you are to intelligent, to well educated and they have bought the bull”. Evil does have 6,000 years of experience though, I guess he use to tell the “educated” 500 years ago, hey the world is FLAT and evil doesn’t exist and they bought it. Biggest weakness in the human psyche thinking they know alot, are smarted than others. You don’t find Jesus with your head, you find him with your heart(but you already know that, don’t you). Keep fighting against the truth.
By Jack
April 25, 2006 03:31 PM | Link to this
That’s what the Mrs. says Julia. :)
Papa Jack. What is a hypocrit?
By The72John
April 25, 2006 03:32 PM | Link to this
Keep fighting against the truth
Keep fighting the voices, Randy.
By kimberly
April 25, 2006 03:35 PM | Link to this
Julia, Chuck has said some really vicious things to many people here. His brand of “Christian love” is the reason I only date Jewish men now. I have no reservations about calling him out, because he represents, for me, (and repeatedly spouts) the lies and hypocrisy that destroyed my “faith.” I admire that you hang in there defending it. It’s not the core of your message that’s wrong, IMO, but the raging a—holes with whom you align yourself as a result. They no more speak on behalf of Jesus Christ than I speak for Madame Curie. How can we NOT reject the message of people like Chuck? Seriously.
By Julia
April 25, 2006 03:39 PM | Link to this
Off the subject I know…but if you could pick any song for your life story what would it be?
Here’s what I picture:
Jack: “Hot Blooded”
Kimberly: “I Will Survive”
Net: “Rocky Mountain High”
Chilao: “It’s Still Rock and Roll To Me”
Whiley: “Man Eater”
72 John: “Let It Be”
Lozen: “Hit Me With Your Best Shot”
Monica: “Pretty In Pink”
Chuck: “Stairway To Heaven”
Lyrazel: “Girls Just Want To Have Fun”
RF: “Hot For Teacher”
By Jack
April 25, 2006 03:40 PM | Link to this
Maybe we should start a cult and move to Montana and grow dental floss.
By Randy
April 25, 2006 03:40 PM | Link to this
72John, I see Lozen fighting against the truth, your position and why you take it is very obvious. It’s like someone said, “they can’t win the argument, so they attack people on a personal level”. That would be you. You really can’t win any argument, CAN YOU!
By RF
April 25, 2006 03:41 PM | Link to this
Randy- it isn’t about “fighting the truth”. It’s a CHOICE and some people choose not to believe the same as you do. As incredible as that seems to you, it isn’t ignorant. It’s a simple choice, and the effects of that choice unfortunately aren’t known in this lifetime. Seems those who “know the truth” see it as a fight. Faith (belief in something for which there is not conclusive proof) requires more “fight” than not believing when you get right down to it.
By lozen
April 25, 2006 03:42 PM | Link to this
Zack, hate to break it to you but we are animals. Humans are mammals in the animal kingdom. Do you know what a mammal is Zack? Have you ever been to school at all?
By Tim
April 25, 2006 03:43 PM | Link to this
Tim ~ “I’m Every Woman”
By Billy
April 25, 2006 03:44 PM | Link to this
*”By Randy
April 25, 2006 03:29 PM | Link to this
Lozen, Responding to your post of 12:25 today. I go to bible study on sunday nights, the gentleman who leads the group has a MBA from Harvard. I do however see how people who consider themselves educated have more of a problem with faith. Evil has told them “hey you are to intelligent, to well educated and they have bought the bull”. Evil does have 6,000 years of experience though, I guess he use to tell the “educated” 500 years ago, hey the world is FLAT and evil doesn’t exist and they bought it. Biggest weakness in the human psyche thinking they know alot, are smarted than others. You don’t find Jesus with your head, you find him with your heart(but you already know that, don’t you). Keep fighting against the truth.”*
Randy, that is quite possibly the dumbest thing anyone has ever posted here. For starters, you are looking for the word “too”, not “to”. Look it up. Secondly…Those who considered themselves “to[sic] well educated” are the ones who bought into the idea of the world being flat? Please! Randy, the people who believed the world was flat were idiots like yourself, the ones who blindly followed the evidence-ignoring dogma of the Church, which persecuted those who used their God-given minds and powers of observation to prove scientificallly that it was round.
If you’re going to me baking analogies to events in the past, you need to get the sides right. You are the “modern” incarnation of the morons who believed in a geo-centric universe because the Church said it was so.
And here I though we had gotten smarter over the last 500 years…
By RF
April 25, 2006 03:47 PM | Link to this
Julia!! ROFL That list was toooo funny and right on the mark! I gotta copy and print that!
See, Julia proves you can be a christian AND have a sense of humor while you hang out with ‘the sinners’.
By Renee
April 25, 2006 03:47 PM | Link to this
ummmm Julia…you left me out LOL
By Randy
April 25, 2006 03:48 PM | Link to this
I’ve been on this site for probably a year and a half and I haven’t heard one valid argument on why there is NO god, nor why Jesus isn’t the messiah. All you get is responses you would hear in grade school. Like a bunch of children telling their parents they “don’t want to”. The worst is 72John and Candide.
By Mara
April 25, 2006 03:49 PM | Link to this
Hey y’all. Sorry I missed most of the discussion, cuz I was laughing so hard just reading it, I probably woulda busted something had I been there in real-time :^)
I did want to comment on Netbankers 11:53 post about the Treaty of Tripoli. It did indeed contain the disclaimer denying that the U.S. was founded as a “christian nation” and then, guess what? Not only was it not challenged or debated, it was ratified unanimously by congress.
sorry, ‘bout the post-n-dash, tooo much work this week. sigh buh-bye :^)
By Renee
April 25, 2006 03:49 PM | Link to this
If it’s the truth then why would we have to fight against it. Anything good, would not cause something evil, like fighting.
By Tim
April 25, 2006 03:50 PM | Link to this
Julia… thought of two more for myself… “Save a horse ride a cowboy” and “Tequila makes her clothes come off” (hey that even has to do with the topic)
By Tim
April 25, 2006 03:52 PM | Link to this
Renee - “Fat Bottom Girls”
By Jack
April 25, 2006 03:52 PM | Link to this
“Hot Blooded” not me but Mrs. Jack!
By The72John
April 25, 2006 03:54 PM | Link to this
Let me lay out YOUR arguments for you, Randy…they aren’t really hard to duplicate.
God exists, because God has to exist. It doesn’t make sense that God wouldn’t exist. If you don’t understand that God exists, it’s because you don’t understand. I understand. You don’t. It just makes sense. Maybe one day you’ll understand, yoo. That’s just truth. You don’t know truth. I know truth, but one day you might.
By Chilao
April 25, 2006 03:55 PM | Link to this
Frank Zappa - read his autobiography. and contrary to popular opinion, he never did drugs, of any kind.
Was visiting some people once, saw this great rather large painting in a hallway. Showed the Nina, Pinta and Santa Maria on the ocean, one farthest back, the middle one had tacked and a sailor on deck was waving an obvious “Go Back!” to the caravel furthest back, as the one in the front went over the edge. hilarious.
By lozen
April 25, 2006 03:57 PM | Link to this
Randy, I dun tol you I do have faith! I believe I have more faith than you do. I have faith that I will be fine -living here now, and in death when that comes. I have faith in the universe, the mystery, myself. I will handle whatever comes up and I will question until I’m dead because that is what I love to do. Do you know how much you don’t know Randy? I know how much I don’t know. I believe that’s all we humans can be sure of - that there’s so much we do not know. We see just a small part of the light spectrum but some of us think we know exactly what god is? Please. We hear only part of the sounds in the world, but we can tell others what god wants? Uh huh. You’re big problem is that you don’t know how much you don’t know.
By Renee
April 25, 2006 03:57 PM | Link to this
Additionally, if there is a hell and the homosexuals, and the premarital sexers, and whomever else dies, without believing, and we go to hell, then what difference does it make to the religous zealots. Seems like something that good (like heaven), that you had a spot promised for you, you would want to keep to yourself and not invite others in. Or if you invited, and they declined, then so be it. So you say there is a God and I’m a sinner based upon your beliefs, I say I don’t believe what you believe, why the need to bore your beliefs into ones skull.
By kimberly
April 25, 2006 03:57 PM | Link to this
Randy, for what it’s worth, I believe in God AND Jesus. I just don’t believe what men, whose motives are power & money, have SAID about them over the years. Like the flea on the elephant, I don’t think you’re big enough to comprehend something as immense as the Creator of the universe. You people who claim special knowledge and understanding of something so great, when you are yourselves so small, are just demonstrating massive ARROGANCE. That’s just my opinion. I’ll admit to being a tiny little flea while y’all go on ahead pumping yourselves up with hot air! How’s THAT for “faith?” Hahaha!
By Jack
April 25, 2006 03:58 PM | Link to this
Tim. “Renee - “Fat Bottom Girls”” LMAO. (You realize you broke a big rule Tim)
By The72John
April 25, 2006 03:59 PM | Link to this
Oh, and I forgot:
I know, because 30 years ago, I almost got accepted to college, and I bet that if I’d gotten through college, I would have almost made it through grad school, and almost had an MBA. I’ve met Jesus personally, and he told me that I was his bestest buddy and that you were a poo-poo head. One day, you might meet Jesus, and then you’ll be simpleminded too.
By RF
April 25, 2006 03:59 PM | Link to this
If it’s the truth then why would we have to fight against it. Anything good, would not cause something evil, like fighting.
Picture me nodding and going “uh-hummm”. Seems ridiculously logical doesn’t it?? But then, so did Galileo, and he had the math and study to prove it. But what did they do to him?? Ridiculed him and laughed at him. Who’d a thunk he’d be right, and be soooo blasphemous at the same time?
By Chilao
April 25, 2006 04:00 PM | Link to this
dang, Julia, you missed my The Wall comments? we don’t need no education…. just another brick in the wall
I hate Billy Joel. well, I do not hate ANYTHING, but I would break the CD if someone try to sneak it into my CD player. and probably kick thenm out of the house.
cool, though(de nada), nice list. LOL
how about Foreigner’s Blinded by Science? LOL
By GOB
April 25, 2006 04:00 PM | Link to this
ummmm Julia…you left me out LOL
Yeah me too…No, its ok. I’ll just be over here in the corner by myself…really, I dont mind….JK
By Randy
April 25, 2006 04:01 PM | Link to this
Sorry Billy, I guess If I had or needed a job, my spelling would be better in practice. How mature of you to point that out.
By RF
April 25, 2006 04:02 PM | Link to this
Hey Tim- is it the song or Joe Nichols that gets you going?? Joe for me!!! And a little Josh Turner, and some Keith Urban, and,a nd, and…..where’s that fan Jack??
By Renee
April 25, 2006 04:03 PM | Link to this
LOL Tim…hahahaha.
JOHN - 3:54 hilarious!!!
By RF
April 25, 2006 04:05 PM | Link to this
I’m trying to think of a song for Renee, and for some reason I’m getting “Check on it” in my head!! A little Beyonce for you Renee??
By Jewish and Proud of It
April 25, 2006 04:06 PM | Link to this
Hey Chuck, sorry to get back to you so late with a semi-answer to your question on the Tribe of Dan. The semi-answer is that no one really knows what became of the Danites. The most widely held and most throughly (sp?) researched hypothesis is that the Danites were the ancestors of the Merovingians who, in turn, morphed into the Messianics. Of course, your religion preaches that the anti-Christ will be from the Danites (I’m sure you already knew this). We Jews believe (according to the Midrash)the tribe was broken into 3 sects, one sect residing on the Britsh Isles, the next residing in the Scandanavian countries and the last scattered across the European and Middle Eastern world.
By Tim
April 25, 2006 04:08 PM | Link to this
Jack… I think Renee will take it the way I meant it… she’s probably checked out some fat bottom girls in her day
RF… well I just figured I’ve never been on a horse but I have… well uh… we’ll just leave the rest of that alone!
By lozen
April 25, 2006 04:10 PM | Link to this
Randy’s proof there is a god (he’s hitting on many of the 75):
COSMOLOGICAL ARGUMENT (1) If I say something must have a cause, it has a cause. (2) I say the universe must have a cause. (3) Therefore, the universe has a cause. (4) Therefore, God exists.
ARGUMENT FROM CREATION (1) If evolution is false, then creationism is true, and therefore God exists. (2) Evolution can’t be true, since I lack the mental capacity to understand it; moreover, to accept its truth would cause me to be uncomfortable (3) Therefore, God exists.
ARGUMENT FROM FEAR (1) If there is no God then we’re all going to die. (2) Therefore, God exists.
ARGUMENT FROM UNINTELLIGENCE (1) Okay, I don’t pretend to be as intelligent as you guys — you’re obviously very well read. But I read the Bible, and nothing you say can convince me that God does not exist. I feel him in my heart, and you can feel him too, if you’ll just ask him into your life. “For God so loved the world that he sent his only begotten son into the world, that whosoever believes in him shall not perish from the earth” John 3:16. (2) Therefore, God exists.
ARGUMENT FROM INTIMIDATION (1) See this bonfire? (2) Therefore, God exists
ARGUMENT FROM INCOMPREHENSIBILITY (1) Flabble glurk zoom boink blubba snurgleschnortz ping! (2) No one has ever refuted (1). (3) Therefore, God exists.
ARGUMENT FROM FALLIBILITY (1) Human reasoning is inherently flawed. (2) Therefore, there is no reasonable way to challenge a proposition. (3) I propose that God exists. (4) Therefore, God exists.
ARGUMENT FROM SHEER WILL (1) I DO believe in God! I DO believe in God! I do I do I do I DO believe in God! (2) Therefore, God exists.
ARGUMENT FROM HUMAN NECESSITY (1) Atheists say that they don’t need God. (2) Which just goes to show that they need God. (3) Therefore, God exists.
THE JUST IN CASE ARGUMENT If I’m wrong and have loved god and tried to be a good person and when I die there is no God, what have I lost? If you’re wrong and die and there is a god, you will burn forever in hell. Therefore there is a god.
By Jack
April 25, 2006 04:14 PM | Link to this
“The Rooster” Alice n Chains
By lozen
April 25, 2006 04:15 PM | Link to this
chileo, I hate Billy Joel too! See, twin souls! ;-)
By Julia
April 25, 2006 04:15 PM | Link to this
Sorry to those not on the first list of songs. I didn’t forget you guys-I was just thinking of more songs for you.
Tim: “Bohemian Rhapsody”
Renee: “Midnight Train To Georgia”
JBM: “Proud Mary”
Mara: “Imagine”
FM: “Dream Weaver”
By The72John
April 25, 2006 04:16 PM | Link to this
Sorry Billy, I guess If I had or needed a job, my spelling would be better in practice. How mature of you to point that out
Get ready, Billy…this is the point where Randy, responsible for ALL of the dumbest things ever posted on the board, tells you that he is, in reality, a multi-millionaire real estate genius. Apparently, putting for a cogent argument, understanding logic, and having basic language skills are not pre-requisites for being a tycoon.
By RF
April 25, 2006 04:21 PM | Link to this
Tim- I’ll take the cowboy any day…and I’ll let it go at that!! My but country music has definitely gotten better looking in the last few years. WHEW!!
By Chilao
April 25, 2006 04:22 PM | Link to this
I LOVE that song,(Rooster) and can sing it quite well, as well as Down in a Hole.
By Renee
April 25, 2006 04:22 PM | Link to this
Beyonce works great - RF ;) you know me so well!!!!!
Tim - you have NOOOOO idea just how many I have checked out, LOL (okay, maybe I take that back, it sounds kinda bad LOL).
By Randy
April 25, 2006 04:24 PM | Link to this
“Lord help me, I’m just not that bright.” Homer Simpson
By RF
April 25, 2006 04:24 PM | Link to this
Julia- the list just gets better. What’s your song??
By RF
April 25, 2006 04:25 PM | Link to this
Julia- I’m flashing back to the 80’s here. Donna Summer “She Works Hard for the Money” Cool video too!
By RF
April 25, 2006 04:26 PM | Link to this
Renee- checking ‘em out is okay, it’s just the checking on them that you gotta be careful about. LOL
By The72John
April 25, 2006 04:27 PM | Link to this
lozen, you forgot the Babel-fish argument…with apologies for the cut-and-paste…
The Babel fish is small, yellow and leech-like, and probably the oddest thing in the Universe. It feeds on brainwave energy received not from its own carrier but from those around it. It absorbs all unconscious mental frequencies from this brainwave energy to nourish itself with. It then excretes into the mind of its carrier a telepathic matrix formed by combining the conscious thought frequencies with the nerve signals picked up from the speech centres of the brain which has supplied them. The practical upshot of all this is that if you stick a Babel fish in your ear you can instantly understand anything said to you in any form of language. The speech patterns you actually hear decode the brainwave matrix which has been fed into your mind by your Babel fish. Now it is such a bizarrely improbable coincidence that anything so mindbogglingly useful could have evolved purely by chance that some thinkers have chosen it to see it as a final and clinching proof of the non-existence of God. The argument goes something like this: “I refuse to prove that I exist,” says God, “for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing.” “But,” says Man, “the Babel fish is a dead giveaway isn’t it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves you exist, and therefore, by your own arguments, you don’t. QED.” “Oh dear,” says God, “I hadn’t thought of that,” and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic. “Oh, that was easy,” says Man, and for an encore goes on to prove that black is white and gets killed on the next zebra crossing. Most leading theologians claim that this argument is a load of dingo’s kidneys, but that didn’t stop Oolon Colluphid making a small fortune when he used it as the central theme of his best-selling book Well That About Wraps It Up For God.
By Julia
April 25, 2006 04:28 PM | Link to this
Sorry Chilao. You can definitely have “The Wall”!
GOB: “Hey You Get Off Of My Cloud”
Jewish and Proud: “The Hanukka Song” by Adam Sandler
By RF
April 25, 2006 04:30 PM | Link to this
Out of here. Gotta go to the book fair and spend some more money I don’t have!! Toodle-loo!!
By Chilao
April 25, 2006 04:30 PM | Link to this
LOL @ Lozen
good song for Renee. LOL
Renee- forgot to mention/followup, got that full budding out a couple weeks ago as expected, took a week. cannot see my neighbors’ places anymore.
By chuck
April 25, 2006 04:31 PM | Link to this
“Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that’s even remotely true.” Homer Simpson
By Tim
April 25, 2006 04:31 PM | Link to this
Renee… glad I could help :) lol
Julia… you have no idea how many people on this site “Proud Mary” could be about!!
By lozen
April 25, 2006 04:34 PM | Link to this
“The tendency to turn human judgments into divine commands makes religion one of the most dangerous forces in the world.” Georgia Harkness
By Jack
April 25, 2006 04:36 PM | Link to this
And in the end…the love you take…is equal to the love you make….Beatles
By thisone'sfor72john
April 25, 2006 04:39 PM | Link to this
“I am against religion because it teaches us to be satisfied with not understanding the world.” Richard Dawkins
By Jack
April 25, 2006 04:39 PM | Link to this
Lozen. :) I’ll just think it. heehee.
By thisone'sforRenee
April 25, 2006 04:40 PM | Link to this
“Religion is something left over from the infancy of our intelligence, it will fade away as we adopt reason and science as our guidelines.” Bertrand Russell
By Jack
April 25, 2006 04:41 PM | Link to this
Is that Babel fish like a snipe? Those are good with white wine.
By oneforchuck
April 25, 2006 04:42 PM | Link to this
“To listen to some devout people, one would imagine that God never laughs.”By anevenbetteroneforchuck
April 25, 2006 04:44 PM | Link to this
“The Bible contains six admonishments to homosexuals and 362 admonishments to heterosexuals. That doesn’t mean that God doesn’t love heterosexuals. It’s just that they need more supervision.” Lynn Lavner
By Brian Curtis
April 25, 2006 04:46 PM | Link to this
You can see why this question is only a problem for the fundamentalists and similar zealots. Everyone else will just make the choice that works for them, and move on.
But leaving everyone alone to make up their own minds is simply an unacceptable situation to the fundies; they MUST control the behavior of others. God said so! (Except he didn’t, of course.)
It could be so very simple, if only the fundies could live and let live. Want to have casual sex? Go right ahead. Think it’s wrong, sinful, dangerous, unhealthy, etc.? Then don’t do it. Nothing simpler; nobody’s forcing you. But that’s not enough for the Zacks and Chucks of the world; anything less than total obedience to their particular insanity is The Devil’s Work!
That’s why the anti-choice arguments about “secular humanist lib’rals forcing their beliefs on the rest of us” always fall flat, too. Because letting everyone CHOOSE FOR THEMSELVES isn’t “forcing my beliefs” on anyone at all. The only ones who want to control everyone else’s behavior is, oh, let’s think about this one…
Yep. You got it. The fundies. (Apologies to all the REAL Christians, who must be sick of getting their good name dragged through the mud by these zealots.)
P.S. Hint for Randy: In all your time here, you’ve “never heard a valid argument” against your faith because it’s FAITH. You’ve already decided that arguments against it are “logically” impossible—like a circle with corners. In other words, you closed your mind long ago—is it any WONDER no one’s comments have made an impression on you?
By Julia
April 25, 2006 04:46 PM | Link to this
Will have to come up with Randy, Zach, Justin and Billy tomorrow….work is calling. :(
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By here'soneforJack
April 25, 2006 04:46 PM | Link to this
“Jesters do oft prove prophets”William Shakespeare
By foreverybodyandagoodanswertothisweek'squestion
April 25, 2006 04:49 PM | Link to this
“Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover.”Mark Twain
By dalai lama
April 25, 2006 04:51 PM | Link to this
“We can live without religion and meditation, but we cannot survive without human affection.”By Jack
April 25, 2006 04:53 PM | Link to this
Sailing off into the sunset would be nice.
By Julia
April 25, 2006 04:53 PM | Link to this
“Welcome to the jungle, we have fun and games.” Axl Rose from Guns N Roses
By Netbanker
April 25, 2006 04:53 PM | Link to this
His brand of “Christian love” is the reason I only date Jewish men now. Hmmmm…Kimberly, isn’t Jewish men thinking reservations or take out IS cooking a better reason? LOL. In my experience, they tend to be pretty darn good in bed too…and I don’t mean sleeping. Maybe that has to do with the lack of consciousness about body and sex that JAP mentioned earlier.
I haven’t heard one valid argument on why there is NO god, nor why Jesus isn’t the messiah. Well, of course you haven’t because you’re working from a place that assumes YOUR God exists and that Jesus WAS the messiah and are looking for a statement strong enough to make you question. That is as likely to happen as God appearing in the chair across from my desk as soon as I hit the Post button. Why? Because when it comes to faith the faithful judge what ‘proof’ or arguments are acceptable and what aren’t and they use their religion’s documentation to prove that they are right and the questioner is wrong. It’s like tilting at windmills….what’s the point of trying to argue with you when you just discount every statement by calling them non-believers? How can any statement live up to your burden of proof when you believe in stories from a 2000 yo book and fully believe that they ARE true?
By lozen
April 25, 2006 04:57 PM | Link to this
Oh, how i love Mark Twain!
By Julia
April 25, 2006 04:57 PM | Link to this
Did you know that William Shakespeare and I share the same birthday-April 23rd. Happy Belated Birthday Willy!!!LOL
By Julia
April 25, 2006 04:59 PM | Link to this
I’m sure JBM would credit a certain Charlie Daniels song to Chuck though. ROFL
I’ll bet Justin’s is going to be a country song.
By Julia
April 25, 2006 05:00 PM | Link to this
Actually RF, I was thinkin’ more along the lines of “Hot Stuff”!
j/k
By lozen
April 25, 2006 05:03 PM | Link to this
BrianCurtis, have you had the tiara? You should have it every time you post because you get right to the heart of the matter.
*It could be so very simple, if only the fundies could live and let live. Want to have casual sex? Go right ahead. Think it’s wrong, sinful, dangerous, unhealthy, etc.? Then don’t do it. Nothing simpler; nobody’s forcing you. But that’s not enough for the Zacks and Chucks of the world; anything less than total obedience to their particular insanity is The Devil’s Work!
That’s why the anti-choice arguments about “secular humanist lib’rals forcing their beliefs on the rest of us” always fall flat, too. Because letting everyone CHOOSE FOR THEMSELVES isn’t “forcing my beliefs” on anyone at all. The only ones who want to control everyone else’s behavior is, oh, let’s think about this one…*
By Netbanker
April 25, 2006 05:08 PM | Link to this
I say I don’t believe what you believe, why the need to bore your beliefs into ones skull. Well straight to the heart of the matter! Why is there that need to PROVE their faith?
Lozen…loved the list.
72J…I love Douglas Adams. Long Dark Tea Time of the Soul is one of my favs of all time after the Hitchhikers series. Still haven’t seen the new movie because I heard some of the effects, while good, just don’t make sense like Zaphod’s 2 heads only appear one at a time? What IS that?!
“The Bible contains six admonishments to homosexuals and 362 admonishments to heterosexuals. That doesn’t mean that God doesn’t love heterosexuals. It’s just that they need more supervision.” ROFLMAO! And a great way to end the day.
By The72John
April 26, 2006 08:14 AM | Link to this
72J…I love Douglas Adams. Long Dark Tea Time of the Soul is one of my favs of all time after the Hitchhikers series. Still haven’t seen the new movie because I heard some of the effects, while good, just don’t make sense like Zaphod’s 2 heads only appear one at a time? What IS that
Net - if you haven’t seen it, watch the BBC miniseries. It’s head-and-shoulders better than the movie. They actually tried to mimic the miniseries with the movie - used the theme song, the same voice-over actor, etc. But then they made the fatal error that most movies make and made a sudden and dramatic divergence from the author’s material.
I mean…why do movie writers think it’s OK to take an incredibly popular book and then re-write it so that it’s crap?
By RF
April 26, 2006 08:33 AM | Link to this
It’s like tilting at windmills….what’s the point of trying to argue with you when you just discount every statement by calling them non-believers?
And as Cervantes showed us, it’s all but impossible to convince anyone that those “monsters” are just harmless windmills. The power of human conviction is strong, as it should be. But,just as Don Quixote and his modern counterparts here should learn, you can’t browbeat others into seeing your “reality” or judge them for just seeing simple windmills.
By Sanhan
April 26, 2006 08:43 AM | Link to this
Howdy, all. As the Buddhists know, life is pain, and life is currently very difficult. Forced job search, new sucky job with sucky hours and bosses, Dad just had his 4th heart attack and is failing and depressed. Best friend’s mother nearly died over the weekend.
On my way to the bathroom I watched about 10 seconds of TV last night, happened to catch the end of House. The adorable doctor buddy tells House regarding faith, “It’s possible to believe in something and not be able to live up to it.”
If I may be self-indulgent for a moment, can my theme song be “Galileo”?
Galileo’s head was on the block, his crime was looking up the truth. And as the bombshells of my daily fears explode, I try to trace them to my youth. And then you had to bring up reincarnation, over a couple of beers the other night. Now I’m serving time for mistakes made by another in another lifetime. How long ‘til my soul gets it right? Can any human being every reach that kind of light? I call on the resting soul of Galileo, King of nightvision, King of insight.
Great song for a FARC (fallen away Roman Catholic)and Buddhist wanna-be. Despite my shortcomings, failure is impossible because I humbly know my willingness to serve humanity rather than say the rosary is as much God-given and real as anything. Namaste to you all.
By Julia
April 26, 2006 08:47 AM | Link to this
Justin: “Love Stinks”
Randy: “Jesus Is Just Alright”
Zack: “Put Your Hand In The Hand…”
By Renee
April 26, 2006 08:50 AM | Link to this
House was fantastic last night.
By Jack
April 26, 2006 09:02 AM | Link to this
Sandy. Hang in there. You are a good person and things will turn around for you. Chin up.
By RF
April 26, 2006 09:06 AM | Link to this
Julia- Justin’s song could be “She Got the Gold Mine, I Got the Shaft” (old country song)
~~mornin’ Renee~~ How’s the weather up on the Arctic fringes?
By Tim
April 26, 2006 09:08 AM | Link to this
Renee… yes it was a very good one… Church and herpes… it’s like they read our blog!!!
By Renee
April 26, 2006 09:11 AM | Link to this
Hilarious song for Justin!
By Julia
April 26, 2006 09:14 AM | Link to this
Julia: “Running On Empty” or “Take It To The Limit”
Jack K: “The Joker”
Shaunti: “Blinded By The Light”
Diane: “I Am Woman”
By Jason
April 26, 2006 09:15 AM | Link to this
Not having sex before getting married is like buying a car without test driving it.
By Renee
April 26, 2006 09:18 AM | Link to this
Good Morning RF!! The weather is everchanging up here. It lacks consistency for one, lol. We are finally seeing the beginning of some buds, which is giving me hope. Last week we were in the 70s for a couple of days, this week we have been lucky to get in the 50’s. We even had a forecast of snow showers today (but it doesn’t appear that will happen, thankfully). I’m just wondering if it EVER gets warm, LOL!
Tim - Wilson’s escapade really threw me for a loop. I so did not see that coming. That was so unlike him. Next week its supposed to be a two hour episode, so I’m looking forward to that.
By Tim
April 26, 2006 09:19 AM | Link to this
Julia… Shaunti and Diane’s songs were by far the best!!!! oh and I did like mine too… you’re pretty good cus I had honestly thought about that one for me for some reason before you mentioned it
By Julia
April 26, 2006 09:20 AM | Link to this
RF-ROFL @ the “Gold Mine” song!!! I was going to use “Achy Breaky Heart” originally. There are probably a ton of country songs that would fit though.
Chilao-instead of that Billy Joel song I meant to use “Old Time Rock N Roll” by Bob Seger but typed “It’s Still Rock N Roll To Me” by mistake. But I like Floyd better. ;)
By The72John
April 26, 2006 09:21 AM | Link to this
House was bizzare…the whole “touching his herpes sore and sticking his finger in the woman’s mouth” thing was just…surreal.
But it’s always a good show. Thanks to DVR, I can watch it and still record Veronica Mars for this afternoon.
By The72John
April 26, 2006 09:33 AM | Link to this
But,just as Don Quixote and his modern counterparts here should learn, you can’t browbeat others into seeing your “reality” or judge them for just seeing simple windmills
That would be fine if they weren’t so determined to make everyone else see only windmills as well. I have seen firsthand the kind of damage these people can do to good institutions and good people, all in the name of their quest for windmills.
Sorry, but until they are willing to let others live their lives in peace, I’m not willing to give them the same consideration.
By Renee
April 26, 2006 09:34 AM | Link to this
I agree, House is always good!
On another note, American Idol is terrible this season. I’m probably the only one here who watches though lol :(
By Julia
April 26, 2006 09:39 AM | Link to this
Hi Tim (Birthday Boy)! That’s such a cool song-really classic. It seemed like the one for you. ;)
Did you guys hear about Mick Jagger starring in a new sitcom called “Let’s Rob Mick Jagger” (or something like that)? They say he’s hilarious. It’s a shame Don Knotts isn’t alive to play Mick’s father. (Have you ever seen a side-by-side of their photos???)LOL
By Tim
April 26, 2006 09:39 AM | Link to this
Renee… I have not missed an episode of AI since the second season… I have to respectfully disagree though… I think they have the most talent on this one… in the past you really only had 2 or 3 really good singers… I think there are a lot this year… I think it’s time for Kelly to go home!!!! I LOOOOVE Katherine
By Billy
April 26, 2006 09:44 AM | Link to this
But,just as Don Quixote and his modern counterparts here should learn, you can’t browbeat others into seeing your “reality” or judge them for just seeing simple windmills
That would be fine if they weren’t so determined to make everyone else see only windmills as well. I have seen firsthand the kind of damage these people can do to good institutions and good people, all in the name of their quest for windmills.
Sorry, but until they are willing to let others live their lives in peace, I’m not willing to give them the same consideration.I think you are saying the same thing here.
Tim, I have to agree with you. This is the most I’ve enjoyed Idol and I’ve been watching since season 2.
By Renee
April 26, 2006 09:46 AM | Link to this
Yes, I think Kelly should definitely go home. Katherine, I like, but she did terrible last night, IMO. I like Taylor a lot and Chris, Paris sometimes.
By The72John
April 26, 2006 09:47 AM | Link to this
yeah, there are some good people on Idol this season. Kelly Pickler is not one of them, especially after that god-awful flat-on-every-pitch disaster last night.
I think it’s going to be an all-guy final this year.
By Billy
April 26, 2006 09:52 AM | Link to this
Well, the board just completely shat on the format of my last post…
I was saying that RF and 72John are on the same side here…
By Chilao
April 26, 2006 09:56 AM | Link to this
Julia - that’s better, I can live with Bob Segar. thanks. Main Street probably in my top-10 of all time. I do not keep track of Shakespeare’s Birthday, so Happy Belated Birthday.
Never watched AI, except for the finals of each season, still do not watch, and did not last night, but have seen much more this season then ever before. Think most of who I have seen were extremely good. Still need to get that LIVE cd for the Walk the Line song, though.
Not having sex before getting married is like buying a car without test driving
Jack mentioned this a few days ago as well, I once bought a new car since I liked the cost/mileage but had not test-driven it. Had not gone 1/2 block after purchase to realize I had made a big mistake. Ran it for 3.5 years even, until someone totalled for me. Accidentally..LOL
By Chilao
April 26, 2006 09:58 AM | Link to this
having moved alot, especially as a kid, Turn the Page is also in my top 10. well, if I listed all my Top 10 might end up with 30 songs or so, but…LOL
By The72John
April 26, 2006 10:02 AM | Link to this
Perhaps I incorrectly interpreted RF’s comment. I took it to say that we should let the fundies be fundies and not berate them for their shallow natures and narrow-mindedness.
By Tim
April 26, 2006 10:03 AM | Link to this
Julia… thanks!!! I’ve never been called a classic before… I really like the sound of that!!… the birthday is Saturday (same day as the late Dale Earnhardt) so if you see a cute newly turned 24 year old with a button on that says “it’s my birthday, wanna spank me?” it’s me ;)
Billy… I agree… I have really enjoyed this season
By Renee
April 26, 2006 10:06 AM | Link to this
yes, Kelly sounded TERRIBLE last night, and last week too. And the southern, blonde thing was cute at first, but now I’m so over it.
By Renee
April 26, 2006 10:09 AM | Link to this
Happy Birthday Tim, since I probably won’t be on the blog for the rest of the week. Took a couple of vacation days, and hope to be in NYC tomorrow (if everything goes as planned, which it NEVER does)
By Tim
April 26, 2006 10:13 AM | Link to this
Renee… thanks… hope your plans workout… hope you have a great time in NY :)
By Monica
April 26, 2006 10:15 AM | Link to this
I was going to ask if anyone watched House last night, but I see that the answer is yes! How appropriate for this week’s topic!
Julia, great songs!! Loved Pretty in Pink BTW - my brother gave me the movie on DVD for my birthday a few weeks ago - what did we give siblings for birthdays before DVD’s came out?
So, who can we give the following song to: “Someday we’ll find it, the rainbow connection, the lovers, the dreamers, and me…” (Kermit the Frog)
By Archie
April 26, 2006 10:20 AM | Link to this
I watch American Idol and I think like Tim that they have some talented people on the show and yes it’s time for Kelly to go home and Taylor,too. Taylor messed up one of my alltime favorite songs.
Listen I know people have premarital sex,I did, but let’s at least tell them to go to Walgreen’s so they can get some products for protection and prevention. I got that off the Steve Harvey morning show. You can’t just do what feels good and I will be telling my child to abstain, period. When she gets to be an adult she can do her thing,but of course I plan to educate her on protection just in case she makes another decision not my liking. I still maintain abstinence for some people is the best policy because they simply don’t have the intelligence to engage in sex properly. I really think life is different some people that’s why I answered the topic question the way I have. I think people have been too hard on Chuck as far as this particular subject goes as everyone does not have the resources of a Diane Glass and frankly some folk are better off abstaining.
By Chilao
April 26, 2006 10:26 AM | Link to this
Renee - New York City? (sounding like the guys doing a Pace Picante salsa ad). Have fun. Might be abit warmer, especially with the urban heat. LOL
HBD, Tim. I wonder where that birthday spanking thing came from, historically? (plus the pinch to grow on) Why do I think that not necessarily a birthday-thing only for you? jajajajaja
By Tim
April 26, 2006 10:34 AM | Link to this
Chilao - O;-)
By kimberly
April 26, 2006 10:39 AM | Link to this
heehee Hope it’s a GOOD one, Tim! {;->
By GOB
April 26, 2006 10:41 AM | Link to this
frankly some folk are better off abstaining.
No doubt this is true, but some people are better off not drinking, or not smoking, or not doing any number of things. That doesnt change the fact that it should be a personal choice and nothing more, especially if the person is an adult.
By Julia
April 26, 2006 10:41 AM | Link to this
Tim-LOL at your button!!! I knew it wasn’t today but still wanted to call you “Birthday Boy”. ;)
Monica-funny that you got the DVD recently and I picked that song for you. Yeah, since the DVD came out I don’t have to buy all those VHS tapes as gifts.LOL
Archie needs a song…(thinking)…
By Julia
April 26, 2006 10:44 AM | Link to this
Cynthis McKinney: “Oops I Think I Did It Again”
ROFL
By The72John
April 26, 2006 10:47 AM | Link to this
I think people have been too hard on Chuck as far as this particular subject goes as everyone does not have the resources of a Diane Glass and frankly some folk are better off abstaining
Sorry, but no. Chuck is using a classic red herring, and that deserves to be stated. The suggestion that marriage protects one from disease is nonsense. An unfaithful spouse can expose a trusting one to all manner of diseases.
The true cause of STD spreading is and always will be IRRESPONSIBLE sex. To suggest that the only way to be responsible sexually is by marrying is just another way the religious right tries to force their agenda on everyone else.
If the legal institution of marriage were abolished today, do you think that the rates of STDs would drastically increase? Doubtful, because there would still be many people involved in monogamous, loving relationships.
Red herrings are bad logic and bad arguments, plain and simple, and they deserve to be treated as such.
By Tim
April 26, 2006 10:48 AM | Link to this
Thanks Kimberly… it usually is a good time ;)
Julia… I knew it wasn’t today but still wanted to call you “Birthday Boy”.… You obviously know me pretty well because I celebrate weeks before and weeks after :)… oh and the Cynthia McKinney song… PERFECT!!!
By Monica
April 26, 2006 10:50 AM | Link to this
How about Linda Schrenkko - “Can’t Buy Me Love”
By Julia
April 26, 2006 10:51 AM | Link to this
Oops-meant “Cynthia” obviously.
(Spelling isn’t my forte.)
By Jack
April 26, 2006 10:54 AM | Link to this
The only thing marriage protects you from is divorce attorneys.
By Chilao
April 26, 2006 10:56 AM | Link to this
what did we give siblings for birthdays before DVD’s came out
A ten-pack of blank VHS tapes? (let them record their own stuff…LOL)
By Renee
April 26, 2006 10:56 AM | Link to this
LOL Chilao - believe me I have enough heat on my own as well LOL
Julia - Hilarious McKinney Song!!!
By Julia
April 26, 2006 10:59 AM | Link to this
Tom Cruise: “The Man From Mars” by Blondie (for all you 80’s kids like me)
Martha Stewart: “30 Days In The Hole” by Mothers Finest
Ted Kennedy: “I Drink Alone” by George Thorogood
Osama Bin Laden: “Wanted Dead Or Alive” by Bon Jovi
By Archie
April 26, 2006 11:05 AM | Link to this
72John of course marriage doesn’t protect you against disease because of a cheating spouse as you state but Chuck’s idea is if you had no cheating,if you only had sex with the one you married to…Responsible sex is sex with a spouse according some people. If we’re going to talk about choice then let’s respect their choice too. GOB, if you note I did choose to have premarital sex so of course we know having sex or not is a choice. Some people are really better off abstaining and not smoking and not drinking and not touching illegal drugs. I am not saying people can’t have a choice, I am simply answering the topic question in a way that allows for choice. To have sex or not is a choice. 72John,we on the liberal side have to be careful that we aren’t like the fundies because if a person wants to wait then that’s their choice. That’s what I mean by saying people are too hard on Chuck, whether you like his logic or not.
By Billy
April 26, 2006 11:05 AM | Link to this
Yes, some folks are better off abstaining. But, no, we haven’t been too hard on Chuck.
Not only is Chuck’s logic wrong, but I the opposite could easily be argued.
Monogamy causes STDs to spread. That’s right. I said it. Monogamy. How? Well, if social convention dictated that I sleep with multiple partners who were in turn sleeping with multiple partners, I’d be damned sure to use protection every single time. I imagine most people would, and those who didn’t would soon be ostracized sexually by the rest of society. The increase in sexual contact would lead to an incerase in the use of protection would lead to the decrease in the transmission of STDs. As it is now, most of us are in monogamus relationships, at least on the surface, and we are less likely to use protection in those relationships. That means that we aren’t used to using protection, which means that when someone gives in to temptation and has an affair they are less likely to use protection, which means that they are more likely to contract an STD and give it to their significant other.
Hey, it’s no less correct logically than Chuck’s argument!
By Chilao
April 26, 2006 11:09 AM | Link to this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanking
Another probably anecodotal tale is that of the ancient Egyptians using spanking on the birthday to prepare the person for the afterlife, i.e. soften the body for the tomb.
Another hypothetical origin for birthday spankings is the single smack on the bottom doctors (or midwives) give to newborn infants, which starts them breathing and thus beginning their lives.
Renee - I truly did not think of the potential double meaning there until after I posted; I really meant something like the weather. LMAO (urban heat not the same as Lake Champlain cold)
By kimberly
April 26, 2006 11:11 AM | Link to this
Jack, I’m not following your logic. If I never marry again, I’ll never have to pay another divorce attorney. Woo-HOOOO!
The only thing marriage really protects you from is the annoying aunts & cousins at family get-togethers who swarm around wanting details at the slightest hint you might finally have a “prospect.” Ugh! Please just stick a fork in my eye!
By Jack
April 26, 2006 11:13 AM | Link to this
Billy. That was off the wall. LOL
By GOB
April 26, 2006 11:17 AM | Link to this
Archie - I think we are essentially on the same side with this. It is a personal choice for adults. Kids are a different matter (not that a parent can really keep their kid from doing anything they are determined to do, but they should at least make the effort).
By The72John
April 26, 2006 11:21 AM | Link to this
we on the liberal side have to be careful that we aren’t like the fundies because if a person wants to wait then that’s their choice
No one has suggested that a person’s choice to abstain is wrong. However, Chuck isn’t saying anything about people having a choice. He’s trying to say that there is a direct causal link between pre-marital sex and disease.
It’s not a matter of my not “liking” his logic. His logic is flawed, period.
By Jack
April 26, 2006 11:22 AM | Link to this
Kim Sweetie, just tell them many when they ask. Offer no details. (tell them you know a nice guy who lives under a bridge, that’ll shut them up.) :)
By Chilao
April 26, 2006 11:24 AM | Link to this
Kimberly’s aunts and uncles remark reminded me of a joke.
Guy, coming up on 40, unmarried, was getting fed-up with the aunts of his coming up to him at family weddings, pinching him on the cheek, with a “You’re next” remark.
About that time, he begin attending funerals of friends of the aunts and he would walk up to them, pinch them on the cheek, and say “You’re next”.
they stopped pinching him at the weddings.
Billy - sounds real logical to me. LOL
By Julia
April 26, 2006 11:26 AM | Link to this
Kimberly-LOL at the “fork”. Believe me, I know how you feel! (Especially since I just had a birthday and we’re having the family birthday get togethers.)
~Somebody save me please~
By Netbanker
April 26, 2006 11:26 AM | Link to this
72J…I watched the BBC mini-series eons ago back when I was in high school. LOVED it! The same person who told me about the movie was familiar with the BBC version and said that while some of the special effects were better in the movie that in total the BBC series was far better.
RF…thank you for spelling out Don Quixote. For the life of me I couldn’t remember how to spell it last night when I was posting so I just went with the windmills. I think my CRAFT disease is flaring up again.
Sandy…I’m sorry to hear about all your trials, but I know that you know that ‘this too shall pass.’ It’s so much easier to say that from the outside, but I’m sending good karmic thoughts your way.
Renee…we NEVER watch House, but did last night. (I think my partner was too tired and groggy on sinus meds to go for the remote control). I loved the show. At the end when it’s revealed that the virus is herpes, I turned to my partner and jokingly said “So he’s a whore! Isn’t that rich?”
I’m also an AI person and agree with Tim that they’ve got a lot of talent this year. Kelly should be the next one to go back…back to the ‘mink’ farm for her! I wasn’t really impressed with last night’s show, however. For whatever reason none of them really hit the mark for me…some were just further off target than others.
Did anyone hear the news story about David Copperfield being mugged? He made it appear like his pockets were empty and managed to get the license plate of the car the guys hopped into. Several hours later 4 teens were arrested. I guess that shows you shouldn’t try to rob a magician or else it’s “Poof! You’re in jail!”
By Renee
April 26, 2006 11:32 AM | Link to this
Too funny Chilao.
Billy loving your logic, LOL.
By Netbanker
April 26, 2006 11:37 AM | Link to this
I’ve never been called a classic before… I really like the sound of that!! Well Happy Birthday, Tim! Of course you like being called a classic because you’re still young. Wait until you get to that age when classic becomes a euphemism for OLD
The only thing marriage protects you from is divorce attorneys Jack, I gotta disagree. Being SINGLE protects you from divorce attorneys. Being married protects you from wedding planners.
By lozen
April 26, 2006 11:37 AM | Link to this
Tim honey you celebrate! Happy, happy birthday! 72john, this has to be one of the funniest posts ever on this blog: I know, because 30 years ago, I almost got accepted to college, and I bet that if I’d gotten through college, I would have almost made it through grad school, and almost had an MBA. I’ve met Jesus personally, and he told me that I was his bestest buddy and that you were a poo-poo head. One day, you might meet Jesus, and then you’ll be simpleminded too.
Julia, Hit Me With Your Best Shot? I’m looking up the lyrics… I would pick Eric Satie’s 3 Gymnopedies for myself …. or Dust In the Wind by Kansas.
By lozen
April 26, 2006 11:44 AM | Link to this
Sanhan, I too will be thinking of you. I know you’re a strong woman! Galileo is one of my favorite Indigo Girls tunes. Namaste!
By Jack
April 26, 2006 11:44 AM | Link to this
Lozen Dear you are far from dust in the wind. :0)
Kim & Julia. Hard to believe both of you haven’t been snatched up yet. Set high standards. You’re worth it!
By kimberly
April 26, 2006 11:49 AM | Link to this
I’m having one of those days only Trent Reznor understands. (All That Could Have Been blaring in the headphones!) It’s amazing how he knows exactly what I feel. He must be magic.
By Jack
April 26, 2006 11:50 AM | Link to this
If the wedding planner looks like J-lo MMMMMMMMmmmmmmm.
By Tim
April 26, 2006 11:55 AM | Link to this
NB… maybe so… but I’ll enjoy it now… I’ve been told many times that I have an old soul… so I like the “classic” line :)… but maybe when I add a few more years I may not… but I hope not… I have an old soul but a young heart which I hope I never lose :)
lozen… thanks Ma… I will definitely celebrate :)… this past Saturday we saw Leslie Jordan’s show… this Saturday we are going out and having a “GAY ole time” (theme of my celebration)… and next Saturday we leave for Puerto Vallarta… I wasn’t joking when I said I celebrate for weeks :)
By Tim
April 26, 2006 11:58 AM | Link to this
lol @ Jack… if the wedding planner looks like her the grooms would be willing to help plan more of the wedding
By RF
April 26, 2006 11:59 AM | Link to this
Net- CRAFT…what’s really sad is when you call your own kids by the wrong names. Mine just roll their eyes and go with it!
I read Cervantes in high school in Castilian Spanish—DUFT!! LOL
lozen- one of Kansas’ best songs. Depressing sentiment, but great tune.
kimberly- I know the feeling. These fourteen year olds today are ‘bout to make me go postal, acting like they know it all and telling me what they’re going to do. SHEESH!
By chuck
April 26, 2006 12:04 PM | Link to this
Julia, what a great idea. I was up at the Variety Playhouse last night for Eric Johnson and Joe Satriani. Man it was a great show.So my song is straight from Satriani’s new album: Super Colossal
Song LIST part deux:
72john: KNOCKIN’ AT YOUR BACK DOOR by DEEP PURPLE, REARVIEWMIRROR by PEARL JAM, DIRTY DEEDS DONE DIRT CHEAP by AC/DC, FAR BEHIND by CANDLEBOX, ROCK BOTTOM by UFO, BACKDOOR MAN by the DOORS
Jack: THE JOKER by the STEVE MILLER BAND
RF: I Can’t Get NO by the Rolling Stones
Kimmie: Won’t Get Fooled Again by the Who
Whiley: Paranoid by Black Sabbath
Julia: Sweet Emotion by Aerosmith
Lozen: CAT SCRATCH FEVER by TED NUGENT
FatMoose: KASHMIR by LED ZEPPELIN
GOB: WHAT IS & WHAT SHOULD NEVER BE by LED ZEPPELIN
JBM: COME AS YOU ARE by NIRVANA
Brian Curtis: I AIN’T SUPERSTITIOUS by JEFF BECK
Randy: FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT by TRIUMPH
Archie: SOUL MAN by BLUES BROTHERS
NetBanker: MONEY TALKS by AC/DC
Renee: BROWN SUGAR by ROLLING STONES
Chilao: TOO ROLLING STONED by ROBIN TROWER
I’m Sorry Zack, I couldn’t resist: JAILBREAK by THIN LIZZY OR JAILHOUSE ROCK by ELVIS PRESLEY
Mara: WHAT I LIKE ABOUT YOU by ROMANTICS AND I STILL HAVEN’T FOUND by U2
JaP: SILENT LUCIDITY by QUEENSRYCHE
Tim: FAIRIES WEAR BOOTS by BLACK SABBATH
Billy: BILLY’S GOT A GUN by DEF LEPPARD
By Tim
April 26, 2006 12:05 PM | Link to this
back on American Idol… Katherine looked HOTTTTTT last night!!! I was starting to question my sexuality lol
By Netbanker
April 26, 2006 12:09 PM | Link to this
Or the wedding planner could look like Franz from “Father of the Bride” YIKES!!
Lozen…thank you for connecting Galileo with Indigo Girls. I started singing the song in my head because I really like it and just couldn’t think of the group. That is really sad since I just ate at their restaurant in Decatur within the past 2 weeks and Emily’s Dad is my pharmacist.
I don’t think Kimberly or Julia want to be snatched up, Jack. That implies they didn’t have a choice and were just carried away. I know they have more discriminating tastes than to let that happen…and probably a mean right hook too as a back up.
By Archie
April 26, 2006 12:16 PM | Link to this
“Archie - I think we are essentially on the same side with this. It is a personal choice for adults. Kids are a different matter (not that a parent can really keep their kid from doing anything they are determined to do, but they should at least make the effort).”
Right,right Gob. That last statement is really good because all we can do is make the effort. I was trying to lighten up on Chuck because maybe there are kids reading this blog and they don’t understand you and I are adults over the age of 30(at least I am). Some of what Chuck says was said in church Sunday so although I am left wing I understand some of Chuck’s thinking and I can’t pound him on this issue. Heck some of left’s thinking is flawed. I realize Chuck has personally offended some people’s lifestyle but on this issue it’s one choice or the other. Some people choose to be celibate even while married but I won’t be one of those people. I think we make too big a deal about sex on the liberal side and the conservative side.
By Tim
April 26, 2006 12:17 PM | Link to this
Tim: FAIRIES WEAR BOOTS by BLACK SABBATH
boots really aren’t my thang… I prefer a pair of Manolo Blahnik stilettos
song for Chuck “I Like My Women a Little on the Trashy Side” or “P*** Envy” Broken Hope
By kimberly
April 26, 2006 12:18 PM | Link to this
Thanks Jack, NetB…. Um, I’ve BEEN snatched before. Took FOREVER to gnaw through those ropes and ex-cape to freedom! (Chains are even worse — then you have to negotiate.) Hahaha!
By CC
April 26, 2006 12:20 PM | Link to this
The notion that our “forefathers/foremothers” did not engage in premarital sex is a myth. There was simply more control over the message in previous generations. They said one thing in church and public and many practiced another thing in the privacy of their homes. Just look at the randy lives of the early Pope’s for proof of that!
The past is always viewed through some sort of rose-colored glasses. We act as if our ancestors were such “pure” people. Get a grip and read a history book.
They were kinky as heck y’all!
By Netbanker
April 26, 2006 12:20 PM | Link to this
Tim…you’ll never have an old heart. We’re supposed to go hit the town Saturday night too since we haven’t been out in a couple of months. Don’t forget to wear your button out on Saturday night so I can spot you and you can get free drinks from bar tenders and patrons.
By chuck
April 26, 2006 12:22 PM | Link to this
72john: I feel Like a Woman, by Shania Twain
By Tim
April 26, 2006 12:23 PM | Link to this
that’s “P-e-n-i-s Envy” just in case you couldn’t figure it out
By Tim
April 26, 2006 12:28 PM | Link to this
Nb… I will definitely have the button on :)
By Archie
April 26, 2006 12:28 PM | Link to this
My song has to be “Billie Jean”.
By Tim
April 26, 2006 12:30 PM | Link to this
my song Saturday night will be “Queen of the Night” by Mrs. Whitney Houston
By The72John
April 26, 2006 12:31 PM | Link to this
Oh look, little Chuckie’s back with more stereotypical anti-gay slurs. How cute. How predictable. How juvenille, childish, ignorant and stupid!
In short - how…Chuck.
.
By Chilao
April 26, 2006 12:46 PM | Link to this
I was thinking about being a golden eagle on the snatch part, conming from up in the sky. whoever looks up?
hahahaha Chuck, now just because I knew people who knew people who…well, never mind. LOL
I’ll have to put on Bridge of Sighs tonight, refresh my memory, it the only Robin Trower I have and per amazon, that song on that CD.
as it was, I had to play Rooster and Down in a Hole this morning, big advantage to living in the country, nobody going to be banging on the ceiling. LMAO
on that thought, the high school boys at the end of my road had their marching band over for a party last Friday night, tubas, bass drums, brass. serenaded about 5 square miles. LOL Luckily they stopped about 11p but I could only hear them when I went outside anyway.
By chuck
April 26, 2006 12:47 PM | Link to this
you are welcome john. Anything for you.
By kimberly
April 26, 2006 12:47 PM | Link to this
Trent wrote a song for Chuck: (Don’t You Know What You Are) “You better take a good look cause I’m full of sh-t With every bit of my heart I’ve tried to believe in it You can dress it all up, you can try to pretend But you can’t change anything You can’t change anything In the end —— Don’t you f-cking know what you are? Go on get back to where you belong!”
By chuck
April 26, 2006 12:50 PM | Link to this
Tim: LITTLE THINGS by BUSH
By Chilao
April 26, 2006 12:51 PM | Link to this
Never been fond of Jennifer Lopez, aside to look at, visually, preferably as she is walking away, but I must say she was absolutely FANTASTIC in The Wedding Planner. and that hotel maid-one, dating the rich guy, as well, cannot remember the movie name.
Archie - I have to listen to Beat It and Billie Jean from time to time, and yes, I get harassed for even owning Thriller. People just roll their eyes when they see it.
By chuck
April 26, 2006 12:52 PM | Link to this
Another one for john: DUDE LOOKS LIKE A LADY by AEROSMITH
By Jack
April 26, 2006 12:54 PM | Link to this
Chuck. Good taste in music.
NetB. I should have said courted on instead of snatched up. The former sounded too old-fashioned.
By chuck
April 26, 2006 12:54 PM | Link to this
Chuck: LOGICAL SONG by SUPERTRAMP
Kimmie: ANYTHING BY SUPERTRAMP
By chuck
April 26, 2006 12:57 PM | Link to this
and another one john: QUEEN OF THE REICH by QUEENSRYCHE
By The72John
April 26, 2006 12:59 PM | Link to this
I’m just curious, Chuck…do you have a hard time carrying around the sheer weight of ignorance that you posess? Do you have a little wagon that you carry around with you to take some of the burden off of your almost-assuredly narrow shoulders? Or, do you just keep a shovel handy so you can keep throwing the ignorance behind you where it’s “out of sight, out of mind”?
Or, possibly that’s why you’re a teacher! You’re trying to spread the ignorance around, so that it’s not so much of a nusiance for you personally!
Or..I supose you may have heard that ignorance is BLISS, so you’re trying to make as many people happy as possible. Nah - that doesn’t sound like you at all.
By chuck
April 26, 2006 12:59 PM | Link to this
Thanks, Jack. I am rather eclectic in my musical tastes.
By chuck
April 26, 2006 01:00 PM | Link to this
Come on john. You have to admit that some of those were pretty funny.
By Jack
April 26, 2006 01:01 PM | Link to this
I saw Robin Trower at the Municiple Auditorium in ATL. My ears were ringing when we left. Anyone remember that venue? How bout Alex Cooley’s Electric Ballroom?
By Monica
April 26, 2006 01:01 PM | Link to this
You’re not alone Chilao. We own Thriller - on LP! Who harasses you when they see it? It’s a great album!
Julia, I think yoy have created an online business venture. Answer a 20 question survey, click submit, and see what song best suits your personality… for a small fee of course!
By chuck
April 26, 2006 01:03 PM | Link to this
Come on john…Backdoor Man? Not even a little bit funny? Are you ashamed of what you do?
By The72John
April 26, 2006 01:06 PM | Link to this
I’m sorry…did Chuck just suggest that his dinosaurs-on-the-ark self is LOGICAL?
The world is truly topsy-turvy.
I think a better choice would be “Superstitious” - Stevie Wonder, or maybe “Everybody’s Fool” by Evanescence, or maybe even “Crazy”, by Patsy Kline. And then, anything from the soundtrack from “The Jerk”.
By The72John
April 26, 2006 01:10 PM | Link to this
Come on john…Backdoor Man? Not even a little bit funny? Are you ashamed of what you do
Anger at bigotry and ridicule directed at me by a hate-monger is not indicative of shame, but a reaction to the sentiment behind the comments.
See, my best friend can make a comment like that, ‘cause I know he’s just kidding. When you make it, the nastiness behind it is clear.
By Jack
April 26, 2006 01:10 PM | Link to this
The bait is good but stop biting John.
Ruby, don’t take your love to town.
By chuck
April 26, 2006 01:10 PM | Link to this
OOH, OOH. Here’s another one john: I DON’T KNOW ANYTHING by MAD SEASON
By GOB
April 26, 2006 01:15 PM | Link to this
they don’t understand you and I are adults over the age of 30(at least I am).
I am not there yet..Getting closer everyday though…
I think a bette song for Zack would be “Pyscho-Therapy”
By Chilao
April 26, 2006 01:15 PM | Link to this
Monica - My CD replaced my vinyl Thriller as well. Who? People more hip/snobbish then me, the same people who snort when they see my 3 or 4 Great Whites. LOL
Take me down to Congo Square
chuck - do you know many gay people? missing the they are all effeminate references in those songs, makes me think many have never crossed your path.
By chuck
April 26, 2006 01:23 PM | Link to this
Now that was funny john!
By RF
April 26, 2006 01:24 PM | Link to this
“What Have You Done for Me Lately?” That’s my theme song for today!!! Anybody for a little Janet J??
By lozen
April 26, 2006 01:27 PM | Link to this
chuck has got to be a masochist don’t ya know!
By kimberly
April 26, 2006 01:27 PM | Link to this
Chuck, John does NOT look like a lady,(he’s totally Man-cute, y’all!) except perhaps in your own imagination, where you can’t stop thinking about him. Let it go… he’ll never love you the way you want.
By Renee
April 26, 2006 01:29 PM | Link to this
Chuck - you want us to believe those songs for John were in jest? If that is the case, you really don’t think we are that intelligent.
By Jack
April 26, 2006 01:30 PM | Link to this
Don’t burst a blood vessel John, he isn’t worth it.
So no one remembers those venues? Gee, I’m not that old. My hair isn’t all gray yet!
How bout them busting all of the pediphiles? They should all be castrated with a rusty hacksaw.
By Renee
April 26, 2006 01:32 PM | Link to this
RF - I’m always up for some Janet…ALWAYS!!
By Billy
April 26, 2006 01:34 PM | Link to this
Here’s one for Chuck:
Hooker with a Pe-nis by Tool.
By Renee
April 26, 2006 01:34 PM | Link to this
I think we all should exchange pictures LOL..
By The72John
April 26, 2006 01:35 PM | Link to this
chuck - do you know many gay people? missing the they are all effeminate references in those songs, makes me think many have never crossed your path
Chuck avoids gay people because they make him “uncomfortable”. This has the added side-effect of allowing him to continue with his comfortable misconceptions about them.
By Jack
April 26, 2006 01:43 PM | Link to this
No Renee’. I don’t think I could handle it. :)
By Tim
April 26, 2006 01:45 PM | Link to this
little things… haha that’s a good one… don’t need to defend my “manhood” on this blog seeing as none of you will ever have the pleasure… chuck have fun continuing to picture my “little things” though… you really should try to get someone your own age though… it’s creepy when old guys go after the youngins
By Chilao
April 26, 2006 01:45 PM | Link to this
How do we know John is not a TopMan? has it ever been discussed?
rhetorical.
Billy - yeah, I was thinking of The Kinks LOLA for Chuck. all the appearances of femininity and all. LOL
By RF
April 26, 2006 01:48 PM | Link to this
Not that he’d know any if they were in the room with him. Some people think they know and that all the stereotypes always apply. You’d be surprised how many you’d never guess. Like Renee, for instance, she’s like totally girl-hot and can make those Blahnik heels do some TALKIN’!! And John wouldn’t be noticed because he doesn’t dress the part. It’s not like his baseball caps have the logo or anything. But they think they’d know somehow.
By Archie
April 26, 2006 01:51 PM | Link to this
Chilao, I have the cassette and vinyl version of Thriller. Bump those people who laugh at you. Another song for me could be “Shining Star” by Earth,Wind, and Fire. I got my first small stereo for a gift and I bought that record.
I bought the Quincy Jones’ album with the song that Taylor sang last night on American Idol. I bought that record when I graduated from college so it meant something to me and Taylor messed it up. Let’s stop playing slow songs specifically by the Isley Brothers and Luther Vandross(joking) because they cause folk to engage in premarital sex. I forgot about Barry White. This topic has gone by the wayside and I don’t feel like turning it. Protect yourself everyone…
By Renee
April 26, 2006 02:00 PM | Link to this
RF - your 1:48 is so on point!!! There is NO look, there is no ONE way to tell. The only way I can let anyone know I’m family sometimes is to hold my pride flag LOL.
Put it like this, you can have one guy who has very feminine qualities and is not gay, and you can have another guy with absolutely NO feminine qualities who is. Same for girls (masculine qualities).
Oh, and RF…I CAN and DO make those Blahnick’s work!!! LOL…hahahaha….You are making me have SUCH a crush on you!! (talking about a sexless relationship! LMAO)
By Archie
April 26, 2006 02:00 PM | Link to this
“That’s The Way Love Goes” Renee, but maybe some people here need to listen to “Rhythm Nation” or with the topic question some are listening to “Funny How Times Flies” or “Anytime,Anyplace”. I am getting a little warm… I just came from outside(laughing)!!!
By Tim
April 26, 2006 02:02 PM | Link to this
“I Hate Everything About You” Ugly Kid Joe… I’m sure y’all can figure out who that could represent
By Chilao
April 26, 2006 02:05 PM | Link to this
speaking of knowing or not, remember I asked about Jon Stewart?, don’t know much about him except to know he is hilarious.
he is married, two daughters. :
oh, we all know Rod Stewart(very early days) did the vocals on that *TRUTH album, don’t we? (I AIN’T SUPERSTITIOUS by JEFF BECK)
something I was going to say to Lozen as well, but it must have been in Portland. hahahahahahaha oh, that Anne of Green Gables girl had her kindred spirits, that probably a better way to view it.
By Jack
April 26, 2006 02:05 PM | Link to this
Chuck - Stairway to Heaven
By RF
April 26, 2006 02:14 PM | Link to this
I remember crusin’ in the big ol’ Pontiac station wagon listening to all this good stuff.
Archie- problem was back then the old wagon was big enough that we had instant access to accomodations when Barry and Luther did the trick, you know what I mean?? I like fuel economy, but it’s hard to make out in a Civic!!
By Renee
April 26, 2006 02:16 PM | Link to this
Janet - Velvet Rope Tour, need I say more!!
By RF
April 26, 2006 02:16 PM | Link to this
Jack- anything by Led Zeppelin on a road trip is awesome stuff!! Best week of my life was cruising to the Keys in my old Buick with Zeppelin playing as the sun rose over the Seven Mile Bridge!! Now that’s seeing God!
By Jack
April 26, 2006 02:21 PM | Link to this
You cannot tell someone’s sexual orientation by the way they look, but sometimes you can by the way they look at you. LOL
By Tim
April 26, 2006 02:23 PM | Link to this
Renee… “Rope Burn” Janet Jackson… YUM YUM!!!!
By RF
April 26, 2006 02:30 PM | Link to this
So where is Janet these days? Velvet Rope tour was awesome!
Jack- never fear the look. Just watch for the hands!LOLOL
By Tim
April 26, 2006 02:30 PM | Link to this
so true Jack… so so very true… those little “glances” can tell A LOT about a person
By Jack
April 26, 2006 02:31 PM | Link to this
I like Zepplin II better than IV. Jimmy Page can pick!
By Renee
April 26, 2006 02:39 PM | Link to this
LOL Jack, very true.
Tim - YES!!!
RF - apparently she gained some weight with her new beau (Jermaine Dupree) but she has went on a crash diet and lost it all. Jermaine supposedly has a hand in her new album, so it should do great. He’s trying to revitalize her career. He was awesome with Mariah.
By RF
April 26, 2006 02:45 PM | Link to this
Janet has always battled being labeled “thick”. The best she ever looked to me was in the video for “That’s the Way Love Goes”.
Tim- those first impressions can be so telling, can’t they?
By The72John
April 26, 2006 02:49 PM | Link to this
Does this mean we have to put up with more “wardrobe malfunctions”?
By Renee
April 26, 2006 02:52 PM | Link to this
LOL - I sure hope so…of course not during primetime while the kiddies are up. But I’m all for more wardrobe malfunctions LOL.
By Archie
April 26, 2006 02:53 PM | Link to this
“Janet - Velvet Rope Tour, need I say more!!”
Renee that tour was my anniversary date. In just a few weeks Renee,Janet will release a new single!!!
RF can you believe this guy Michael Graham saying that we should not complain about the oil companies??? My response “Fire”. How many businesses have made 206 percent profit in the last 4 years. Notice the last 4 years. We have to “Fight the Power”. The song references are by the Isley Brothers and the Ohio Players. Man we deserve better because most of us were “Born In The USA”(Springsteen).
By Tim
April 26, 2006 02:54 PM | Link to this
RF… VERY telling :)
By lozen
April 26, 2006 02:56 PM | Link to this
Jack of course I remember the Municipal Auditorium. Saw Blood, Sweat and Tears there once and had to leave because the decibel level was making my ears hurt. It took me another two or three years to realize I liked them when i could control the volume! And the Electric Ballroom too! Melissa Manchester is one act I remember from there but you know what we say, if you can remember it, you weren’t there!
By RF
April 26, 2006 03:07 PM | Link to this
But I’m all for more wardrobe malfunctions LOL.
Just so long as the wearer got something worth seeing, that is!!!
By RF
April 26, 2006 03:09 PM | Link to this
Jack- Zeppelin I and II are by far the best. By III and IV the drugs were taking their toll.
By Tim
April 26, 2006 03:14 PM | Link to this
RF… also it’s a little creepy to get those looks from guys at the gym in alpharetta (who have wedding rings on) and then go out to their cars and they have a lil fish on the back of the car
By The72John
April 26, 2006 03:21 PM | Link to this
Ah, Tim, those are just FoCs.
By Renee
April 26, 2006 03:22 PM | Link to this
RF - I’m sure that Janet has something I would enjoy seeing LOL
By RF
April 26, 2006 03:27 PM | Link to this
Tim- it’s alllll about appearances. They don’t want anyone in the subdivision or Mega-church to know. Shhhhhh!! ;-)
I remember in college, the Baptist church was the biggest in town and the best place to ‘meet’ someone. I was always shocked at how many of my friends met their significant others there.
By Monica
April 26, 2006 03:28 PM | Link to this
An actual occurrence… a student asked me if I had heard of Led Zepplin. Of course I smiled and said yes, but then another student said, “Led Zepplin? Who is he?” What sad times!
By Chilao
April 26, 2006 03:28 PM | Link to this
also it’s a little creepy to get those looks from guys at the gym in alpharetta (who have wedding rings on) and then go out to their cars and they have a lil fish on the back of the car
No, can’t be.. LMAO
maybe they just need to know sin when they see it, and have to give a special look to identify it. ya, ya, that must be it. LOL
By Renee
April 26, 2006 03:29 PM | Link to this
I know I shouldn’t ask but what are “FoCs”?
By RF
April 26, 2006 03:29 PM | Link to this
Renee- I’ll bet. You’re heading into the big city—I bet there’ll be plenty of eye candy there! LOL
By RF
April 26, 2006 03:41 PM | Link to this
I was trying to figure that one out too, john.
By The72John
April 26, 2006 03:42 PM | Link to this
Friends of Chuck.
So glad you asked ;-)
By FatMoose
April 26, 2006 03:46 PM | Link to this
By III and IV the drugs were taking their toll.
Have to disagree. Although those albums (III+) were no longer as mainstream as the early stuff (stairway aside), the musical advancements in the albums after II were astounding.
Kind-of-like liking the beatles early stuff, but not the White Album; the experiments in dissonance and alternate progressions were prime.
But that is when you get into a guitarist’s guitarist, or a band’s band - their main audience are peers.
By Chilao
April 26, 2006 03:49 PM | Link to this
Led Zeppelin - I bought that 10-pack of theirs,(first 10 albums) had a spare $100 in my pocket at the moment, but only really like the first one. from the days of my youth I was taught what it means to be a man etc.
mentioned long ago right here, my niece when she was 20, said Led Zeppelin was her favorite group. And she was BORN in 1974.
By Tim
April 26, 2006 03:51 PM | Link to this
I was wonderin what FoC’s were too… RF… I went to a private christian college… good lord… there were more homos up in the choir during chapel than I ever saw at Backstreet!!!! the school is just outside of Chattanooga so it is known as the Rhinestone buckle of the Bible belt ;)
By The72John
April 26, 2006 04:01 PM | Link to this
LoL Tim - that wouldn’t be LEE college, would it?
I worked with a guy in summer stock once who was headed there, and he was two t** shy of being a woman.
By Denise noe
April 26, 2006 04:05 PM | Link to this
For the 72John: I have read a bit about Ralph Nader. His apparent lack of sexual interest and romantic involvements are well known to his biographers. A friend says, “He has completely sublimated all sexual desire.” There are many people like that.
By kimberly
April 26, 2006 04:07 PM | Link to this
Hey Jack,
Apparently the mayor of Scottsdale is upset about the opening of the Pink Taco! Hahahaha!
By Renee
April 26, 2006 04:08 PM | Link to this
Yes, eye candy is good, I can look but I can’t taste (I mean touch) though LOL…
I’m really outta control today!
By RF
April 26, 2006 04:10 PM | Link to this
the Rhinestone buckle of the Bible belt ;) ROFL!!
I was at a birthday party with my sons not too very long ago and got “the look” from a married dad way too many times in an afternoon. I ignored it (SOOOO not going there). It was sad how strong the vibe was. I felt really bad for the guy having to keep up appearances.
By Tim
April 26, 2006 04:10 PM | Link to this
of course it was Lee University… that’s where they all go… some magazine did some article one time about best colleges for (fill in the blank)… number one for best college to meet a “life partner” Lee University… but when I was there… most of them wanted to still pretend to be straight and so they would just sneak out of their dorms at night and go to the playground a couple blocks away and get freaky on the monkey bars
By RF
April 26, 2006 04:12 PM | Link to this
I worked with a guy in summer stock once who was headed there, and he was two t** shy of being a woman.
HAHAHAHAHA!!! Haven’t heard that one in a while!! Thanks john, I needed some humor this afternoon!
By lozen
April 26, 2006 04:13 PM | Link to this
Tim, The rhinestone buckle of the bible belt! LMAO
By Chilao
April 26, 2006 04:14 PM | Link to this
TIM - dayum, old SMC? I think it has a different name now. my two oldest sisters went there for a spell.
I still buy case foods at their Village Market, well if I am passing thru on a Sunday.. LOL…and the Little Debbie outlet as well.
By RF
April 26, 2006 04:14 PM | Link to this
Have a good time in NYC Renee!!
I’m outta here. Have a good evening all!!!
By Chilao
April 26, 2006 04:19 PM | Link to this
seems outside Chattanooga a hot bed of private religious colleges. LOL. Must be something in the water.
By The72John
April 26, 2006 04:19 PM | Link to this
For the 72John: I have read a bit about Ralph Nader. His apparent lack of sexual interest and romantic involvements are well known to his biographers. A friend says, “He has completely sublimated all sexual desire.” There are many people like that
There are a lot of meth-heads out there, too. That doesn’t mean the rest of us should feel obligated to follow them. If someone chooses to be devoid of romantic feelings, well, that’s their choice.
Don’t make the mistake of thinking that they are somehow more spiritual or superior to everyone else.
By Chilao
April 26, 2006 04:26 PM | Link to this
Lee’s mascots are The Flames??? way too funny.
By Tim
April 26, 2006 04:26 PM | Link to this
I heard the rhinestone comment before I started school there and after I heard that I was like SIGN ME UP!!!!!
Chilao… I always found it a musing that there was a little debbie outlet store… never totally understood that lol
By lozen
April 26, 2006 04:27 PM | Link to this
Tim, The rhinestone buckle of the bible belt! LMAO
By Tim
April 26, 2006 04:35 PM | Link to this
oh yes The Flame is the Lee University Mascot… trust me… it is sooooooo fitting!!!!
By Netbanker
April 26, 2006 04:39 PM | Link to this
there is no ONE way to tell Jeez, I’m not entirely sure. I’ve seen some queens sooo nelly that it was impossible to NOT know they’re gay. They are the exception to the rule though.
Before we go hog wild on the Oil companies their profit margins haven’t changed and are still pretty much fixed at about 8%. The profit numbers are going up, but if the rate hasn’t changed from 8% then that means that their expenses have also gone up roughly 206% over the same period of time. They are comparing the profits from one year to the next which simply means they’ve sold more volume and born the expenses associated with the creation and delivery of that volume.
To put numbers to the game…a company sells 100 widgets over the course of the year for $100 each and they cost $90 to make. Their profit margin is 10%. They earn $1000 in profit. The following year they sell 150 widgets for $110 and they cost $100 due to the increase in raw materials. That year the profit is $1500. They just had a 50% increase in profits over last year, but they also worked 50% harder to produce the goods, sold more goods, and paid more for raw materials. The company hasn’t earned ‘more’ for the same amount of work which is what people tend to assume when they hear about increasing profits. Oil company profits are up because they’ve sold more units more than because they’re earning more per unit sold.
Why are we targeting oil companies when drug companies and banks have profit margins in the 15-17% range and service companies are in the 10-11% range?
By Chilao
April 26, 2006 04:43 PM | Link to this
Tim, don’t know if you are joking or not, but McGee Bakery based in Collegedale. ex brother-in-law was a pilot at one time for their corporate fleet. Reminds me of the Southern Culture on the Skids song though. LOL
By Chilao
April 26, 2006 04:47 PM | Link to this
The Flame is the Lee University Mascot
that actually is the shoot on the river isn’t it? drove US64 west from I-26 once, to I-75, seems I remember a real long shoot.
it just sounded so funny, when you mentioned the playground. LMAO
By Chilao
April 26, 2006 04:50 PM | Link to this
‘shoot’ should have been CHUTE, long elevated barrel that carries water for miles.
By Netbanker
April 26, 2006 04:54 PM | Link to this
it’s a little creepy to get those looks from guys at the gym in alpharetta (who have wedding rings on) and then go out to their cars and they have a lil fish on the back of the car Tim..where do you work out? If it’s the YMCA then I totally get it. We stopped working out at the Decatur Y because even though it’s a nice facility there was too much cruising going on in the locker room. And it wasn’t the gay boys cruising!! Feels wierd to see a man look at you that hard when you see the wedding ring and have taken an abs class with his wife. Too funny about your college!
Renee…have fun in The City! We’re heading up at the end of June and I can hardly wait! It’s been 1.5 yrs since I’ve had the pleasure of strolling the streets of the Big Apple, taking in a show, doing a little clubbing, doing a LOT of shopping in The Village, wandering Central Park, checking out MOMA….I wanna go NOW!
By Tim
April 27, 2006 08:41 AM | Link to this
NB… LA Fitness… there’s a whole gaggle of “straight” guys there
By Jack
April 27, 2006 09:07 AM | Link to this
I had way too much work yesterday so I had to disappear early.
Hey Kim, about your 4:07, the owners should stir the pot more by making the daily special tuna. :)
By Chilao
April 27, 2006 09:31 AM | Link to this
That chute along the river east of Cleveland, TN, is known as The Flume, which it is. Flames seems to be some tree on campus?
Chuck - Thanks, great song, Too Rolling Stoned, but that whole album great. I prefer to think of it as not gathering any moss(as opposed to lighting one up), and as a result, do not suffer from the illnesses I associate with religious superiority.
and of course, Julia, I had to listen to my two fave Segers. another factor in the Turn the Page song is I have driven about 1.8 million miles. Never commercially.
But both sounds now extremely Dated. LOL
By Tim
April 27, 2006 09:39 AM | Link to this
Chilao… I have no idea where they got the idea for the mascot… I assumed it was supposed to be like the flame of God or something like that… it doesn’t really matter where the idea came from… I just highly doubt they realized how fitting it would be lol
By Chilao
April 27, 2006 09:39 AM | Link to this
You know all that b!tching I have been doing about this page load? Well, it loaded fine at home this morning, as a test, but was ‘bad’ when I got to work. Just unplugged and replugged my network cable, seem to fix alot. Static gets built up in those lines and all that.
just a FYI for anyone else who may have/had a similiar issue. Sure, it still takes a little while, but this page is rather long. LOL. compared to most web-pages.
By chuck
April 27, 2006 10:00 AM | Link to this
Renee, We ate at the Brooklyn Diner on W. 57th st I think it was between Broadway and 8th ave. Great food. All authentic but from a number of different countries. The Hungarian Goulash was great. Cost the 4 of us less than $100.00 to eat there. Best food we had in New York.
I’m not sure what the street is, but coming from the Staten Island Ferry about 2-3 blocks before you get to Trinity Episcopal church and ground zero there is a little deli called (I think) the Plaza Deli. Great place for lunch.
Your kids would love the dinosaur exhibit at the American Museum of Natural History. It has its own subway stop. You get off of the train and go directly into the Museum so it is real easy to get to. Oh and right at the corner of Central Park (5th Ave. and 57th there is a really neat FAO Schwartz store that we enjoyed. They had a $15,000 stuffed Elephant in there. It was life sized. You know a Republican would like that. The Penguin exhibit in the Central Park Zoo was worth the price of admission to the zoo. We didn’t have time to get over to the Bronx Zoo.
We had a great trip in April. I wish we had had a couple more days there. We had time to do most of the touristy things like the Empire State Building, Macy’s, Lady Liberty, the 5th ave. shops ground zero, etc.
By Jack
April 27, 2006 10:00 AM | Link to this
Thanks Chilao but Big Brother doesn’t want me to mess with the machine. Broke out Bridge of Sighs last night, brought back some non-memories. LOL
By chuck
April 27, 2006 10:03 AM | Link to this
Yeah Chilao, If some of you guys would quit cutting and pasting so much it would probably load a lot quicker.
By lozen
April 27, 2006 10:10 AM | Link to this
Just passing along some info on the gas thing:
The administration and every elected official in both parties is trembling in fear that you will figure out what is causing the $3.00 gas prices… that you will wake up to the most simple and obvious of truths, that war drives up energy prices. Iraq is the 2nd largest reserve of oil in the world, and its productions is now only 50% of what it would be if we had stayed at home and let them sell oil into the world market. Washington is a place we send congressmen to perfect the art of lying. They all voted for this war, and they are leaving us in the dark because they want to be re-elected in November. Read: WHO GUARDS THE OIL WELL GUARDS http://www.straitgateministry.net
Fran Leibowitz said, “If they HAD had weapons of mass destruction that wouldn’t have been a good reason to invade that country. A good reason for war is, they’re attacking Boston!” What do you all think about that statement?
By Chilao
April 27, 2006 10:13 AM | Link to this
brought back some non-memories. LOL
yep! LMAO (had not listened to that CD in several years)
Tim - I think Lee’s website might have explained that, where I got the tree idea.
By Chilao
April 27, 2006 10:24 AM | Link to this
LOL just re-read Renee’s touch/taste remark in NYC.
That web-site I mentioned a few days ago, the Jewish woman saying sex was supposed to be pleasurable, her explanation for the prohibition over male-to-male, but no prohibition for female-to-female, was that they(Jews) were trying to make sure there was family/reproduction and the fear was men would gt off on their own and not reproduce. And it was expected that while women may indeed engage in women-to-women fun, and that was quite acceptable, they would eventually marry and reproduce. so it(f2f) was alot less of an issue for them, then.
and since there is nothing Biblically about women…..LMAO Mara got it well earlier anyway. (men’s fantasies and all that)
By Jack
April 27, 2006 10:35 AM | Link to this
Lozen. Ever go to the Great Southeast Music Hall? Saw Leo Kottke there. B.B. King came out and jammed with him it was a great show.
By Jack
April 27, 2006 10:37 AM | Link to this
Good 10:03 Chuck!
By Billy
April 27, 2006 10:56 AM | Link to this
“*By chuck
April 27, 2006 10:03 AM | Link to this
Yeah Chilao, If some of you guys would quit cutting and pasting so much it would probably load a lot quicker.*”
Funniest. Post. Ever.
By Mara
April 27, 2006 10:57 AM | Link to this
I thought I heard my name! LOL Hey Chilao :^)
Julia - thanks for assigning Lennons “Imagine” for my theme song. I like it! I have to admit that I like the song chuck chose for me too…the Romantics “What I Like About You”, which makes me a little uneasy because, well,…it’s chuck and I hate agreeing with chuck!
By Jack
April 27, 2006 11:08 AM | Link to this
“And it was expected that while women may indeed engage in women-to-women fun, and that was quite acceptable”
Can’t imagine any of the men complaining about that!
By Chilao
April 27, 2006 11:17 AM | Link to this
I wasn’t going to say it, but that DID sound like a black kettle calling kinda thing,(can ya hear it?) on those people doing those long cut/pastes. way too funny post there.
By Netbanker
April 27, 2006 11:40 AM | Link to this
I have no idea where they got the idea for the mascot… I assumed it was supposed to be like the flame of God or something like that I’m guessing it was inspired by the burning bush…the one between everyone’s legs at the colege since no one is getting any.
You know, Tim, I don’t think it matters what gym it is because in general men are pigs.
Chilao…I’ve heard the same explanation about the prohibitions on male/male sex and it is a logical and reasonable explanation. Infant mortality was much higher back then, life expectancy shorter and with the general lack of health care a somewhat simple injury could result in infection and death. Making sure you have as many babies as possible was important to sustain or grow the tribe. One was to make sure that happens is to prohibit sex that feels good, but won’t result in pregnancy.
It would be interesting to know if the incidence of homosexuality is actually increasing as a proportion of the population since we don’t actually NEED to be reproducing so darn much. In fact, I’d say we’re actually starting to outstrip the Earth’s ability to sustain the human population. During a discussion of whether homosexuality is normal or not in a college class many moons ago I suggested that it was Mother Nature’s way of helping to control population growth and to help ensure survival of the children who were born. Given the amount of work it took in ancient times to just feed oneself this really makes sense. A hunter who killed got first take of food to feed their family before food went to the tribe. A gay adult would have no family to feed per se therefore you have ‘workers’ who add great value to the survival of the tribe by not adding mouths to feed. You also would have tribe members to adopt or help care for children should the parents die or be killed.
By Julia
April 27, 2006 11:57 AM | Link to this
Chilao-music brings back such great memories and just takes you back to another place and time.
Chuck-great songs! A wide variety there. Thanks for my Aerosmith tune.
Mara-I’m glad you liked the song I picked.
Jack-I know which restaurant you’re going to try soon. ;)
Renee-have fun in the Big Apple!
Lozen-I like “Dust In The Wind” too. I think I have the 78 of that!LOL
By RF
April 27, 2006 11:58 AM | Link to this
in general men are pigs. True, true… Sounds like we’re having a bad day??
By Chilao
April 27, 2006 12:07 PM | Link to this
The Flame - think it is the thing that shoots out of The Torch, that being the Torch to spread the word. like Tim said. The tree thing I probably have another reference for, the Flame Tree. (a real tree).
NetB - I actually think it will be viruses that get us all, eventually. The earth can only sustain so much of any population, of anything. If homosexuality is genetic, (which I believe most is, being born that way), not sure an increase percentage would be the result of an overcrowded planet, but an interesting idea. There was some studies done related to the percentage of male children born to mothers who were poor/unemployed, seems the ratio of male to female children was skewed, depending on the mother’s economic status. Jury still out on those studies, I believe.
but an interesting related tidbit: in alligators/crocs, if the mean temperature during egg incubation is below a certain level, the offspring are all female(to reproduce more to save the species) and if the mean temperature above a certain level, offspring are all male, since reproduction not an issue and there are enough egg-layers already to survive the species.
By chuck
April 27, 2006 12:08 PM | Link to this
Mara, I thought that might be a little too subtle. You missed the SECOND song that went with the first. It was my lame attempt at a little humor there.
By Jack
April 27, 2006 12:08 PM | Link to this
I thought we were dogs. Woof, woof!
By chuck
April 27, 2006 12:09 PM | Link to this
That was SUPPOSED to be ironic Chilao.
By RF
April 27, 2006 12:21 PM | Link to this
Chilao- at the rate we’re going, I think we’re going to deplete our environment and overpopulate to the point that we can’t stop the viruses anymore. Look how many viruses now simply mutate in the presence of antibiotics. I know children who cannot take anything but the strongest antibiotics because nothing else works. Eventually, those kinds of people with weak immune systems will be the first to go.
By FatMoose
April 27, 2006 12:25 PM | Link to this
NetB,
All somewhat casual connections right now, but there is evidence of an increase in homosexuals from mothers (animals) that are stressed.
The current hypothesis is that if the population is stressed, the increase in homosexuals slows the population growth.
Sounds plausible as least.
Chuck, I understood you were poking at yourself, and am sorry you got slammed for it. Seems you cant win, even when joining their fight against you;) Although I do not agree with many of your notions, I do believe that you will never get a fair shake on this board - even if you posted the most profound idea the board has ever seen. My condolences;)
By Chilao
April 27, 2006 12:29 PM | Link to this
yeah, Chuck, I got it, why I did not mention it initially. LOL we knew who you meant. and it was not Justin. That was a real good song list, btw, from you.
on that alligator egg comment, there is a temperature range where the male/female ratio is mixed, however there is a high and low border for that range, where the offspring end up all of one sex when above or below it. and it is not alot, something like about 5F total from high to low. don’t hold me to that number but it not exactly extreme. we talking core temperature underneath all the rotting straw or whatever has been used for cover, sometimes sand.
was reading about grizzly bears recently, a crime drama set in Glacier National Park. A grizzly sow only has about 3 sets of cubs over her lifetime, why she especially vigilant about protecting them. More cocktail chatter..LOL
we all stay here you might learn more naturalist stuff than you care to know, and I may end up going through all my CDs again. LMAO
By Chilao
April 27, 2006 12:39 PM | Link to this
Eventually, those kinds of people with weak immune systems will be the first to go
That was my speculation when HIV first came on the scene in 1982. I speculated it hit the gay community first because for many the bodies’ immune system had already been screwed up due to getting venereal diseases, and the resulting penicillin shots.(bath house sexual practices certainly the other factor). And the other initial statistical groups, drug users, we know that going to screw up your system, hemophiliacs already screwed up, cannot remember the 4th group.
about 5 years later the AIDS researchers finally came out and said they thought there was a direct connection between the propensity to pick up the virus and prior incidences of venereal diseases.
By chuck
April 27, 2006 12:55 PM | Link to this
Thanks FM, but it really doesn’t bother me for the most part. I enjoy being in the fray. I’ve learned a lot here because I have to study to answer some of the questions that come up. Being a teacher, I really like reading and studying so I consider it mental exercise.
I figured you got it Chilao.
Billy’s a little slow though so it had to be explained.
NetB. Can’t agree more with your comments on oil companies. Their profit margin isn’t much higher than Walmart’s. The only way we are going to fix the problem is to buy less of it. When demand drops, prices will fall. The problem with that is that we cannot control demand in other countries like China and India…unless of course we quit supplying them with the money to buy it.
By RF
April 27, 2006 01:26 PM | Link to this
Considering that gas prices are predicted to be somewhere around $4.50/gal. this summer, I suspect we’ll be trying to find some ways to reduce demand. Supposedly GM is working on being able to burn ethanol or gas. That would definitely be cheaper.
By FatMoose
April 27, 2006 01:34 PM | Link to this
NetB.
Thought about your post regarding gas companies a good bit and it seems to me that your premise is flawed. Please explain if I am missing something:
If a company reports 25% profit, that is money made OVER their expenses, correct? Isnt that the definition of profit? So if there is an increase taking their profit to 50%, this already takes account for all those cost-factors that you mentioned.
By lozen
April 27, 2006 01:34 PM | Link to this
So I guess that explains the story about Onan also. (The theory about rules against men lying with men because of the need for more babies.) God killed Onan’s brother because he wasn’t pleased with something he did. Then Onan was supposed to “go into” his brother’s wife to produce sons for his brother. He didn’t want to do it because he didn’t want to father children that wouldn’t be his. So he goes into her tent, and at the appropriate time, he “spilled his seed on the floor.” Then god murders Onan! And that’s why Dorothy Parker named her canary Onan; he spilled his seed on the floor! That woman was so funny! “Candy is dandy, but liquor is quicker!”
By Chilao
April 27, 2006 01:46 PM | Link to this
Lozen - this month’s National Geographic has a section on the Judas Gospels. cannot comment as I have not read yet, but it looked kinda interesting, quickly scanning it. We can rest assured reading it unlikely to convert you or me, so, read away..LMAO
So what are the belief systems of Feng Shui? (another) LMAO. (yes, I know what it is, do they have an idol?)
I have a small brass Buddha on the mantle, next to my HookahGod. It’s called diversity. even have a golden calf.(because I am into livestock).
By lozen
April 27, 2006 02:01 PM | Link to this
So I guess that explains the story about Onan also. (The theory about rules against men lying with men because of the need for more babies.) God killed Onan’s brother because he wasn’t pleased with something he did. Then Onan was supposed to “go into” his brother’s wife to produce sons for his brother. He didn’t want to do it because he didn’t want to father children that wouldn’t be his. So he goes into her tent, and at the appropriate time, he “spilled his seed on the floor.” Then god murders Onan! And that’s why Dorothy Parker named her canary Onan; he spilled his seed on the floor! That woman was so funny! “Candy is dandy, but liquor is quicker!”
By RF
April 27, 2006 02:01 PM | Link to this
even have a golden calf.(because I am into livestock).
Okay, so did anyone really need to know that about you?? LOL
TMI
I know what you meant, but for some reason I took it completely the wrong way!
By Netbanker
April 27, 2006 02:09 PM | Link to this
Nope, RF, the day is just fine. Boss is out of the office, I’ll be out of th eoffice to take Abby to the vet for shots this afternoon and not definitely NOT heading back in afterward, and I got a 5% raise yesterday on top of the 4% merit increase I received last month. All in all life is peachy. Mood doesn’t change that, in general, men are pigs when it comes to sex.
Jack…we’re dogs too. Maybe we should be called dog pigs. Dogs because too many men aren’t discriminating in who they’ll have sex with and pigs because we like our sex dirty.
Chilao…things that make you go hmmmm. I’m not sure that viruses will get us ALL because by killing the host the virus ultimately kills it’s ability to survive. That is why many viruses are not fatal or kill the host fairly slowly in order to reproduce. I do think we’re WAY overdue for a pandemic and think flu (probably avian) is more probable than another bug.
about 5 years later the AIDS researchers finally came out and said they thought there was a direct connection between the propensity to pick up the virus and prior incidences of venereal diseases Could it be a direct connection between having LOTS of unprotected sex rather than a weakened immune system from prior bacterial infections?
FM…nice to ‘see’ you again. I had not heard that hypothesis, but it is a logical biological response to a stressed population.
Chuck…nice song choice for me. You should probably add ‘Money’ by ABBA (covers the job and the gay thing all at once, huh? ) I agree that price should drop with lower demand, but without an approach to reduce consumption/demand we’re sunk. As an individual my options are extremely limited, though. I can buy a new vehicle that gets better mileage, but the market is extremely limited in terms of finding a vehicle that has significantly higher mileage per gallon AND meets my other transportation requirements. I used to be able to ride public transportation to work and did for 7 years, but in order to do so now I would either have to find a new company to work for or plan 1.5 hours each way due to a lack of good public transport options between home and office. I miss taking MARTA. People will think I’m nuts for saying so, but I had time to read novels, magazines, and occassionally work memos or reports. I didn’t have to deal with traffic and I only used ONE tank of gas a month. How sweet was that?!
What I find extremely frustrating is the continuing lack of committment from our elected officials, both nationally and locally, to fund transportation projects other than roads. If it was actually possible to build one’s way out of gridlock traffic wouldn’t continue to be getting worse and we’d have broken the pattern of temporary relief followed by traffic becoming worse than when you ‘fixed’ the problem. How difficult a concept is that to get? I have lived in cities both domestically and abroad that had excellent public transportation. It was possible to live without owning a car and on those very rare occassions that you needed a car you could rent one for the day/weekend/week at an annual cost that is generally less than the cost (loan pmt, insurance, fuel) of 2 months of owning a vehicle. I’m not even going to think that we’ll ever has systems that comprehensive here in Atlanta, but holy cow does our legislature seem to kill or delay every project suggested (commuter rail, expanded MARTA rail, street cars, beltline). With over 90% of our oil consumption going to transportation we need to put as much of that oil against the forms that have the most bang per barrel as possible. Trains are the way to do that, not cars.
Don’t agree with a conservationist attitude, then let’s go with national security concerns. Let’s just say you blow up one set of North and South bridges on I95 in every other state from Florida to Maine. Do you realize how screwed we’d be from an interstate commerce perspective as well as the ability of people to commute to jobs or evacuate in case of an emergency?
Or how about a national health perspective. Using public transportation requires walking and adds less polution to the air. Walking burns calories. I had to cut back on my food in take when my office moved because I was no longer walking from car to train, when changing trains, train to office or when I needed to run an errand during the day to post office, drug store, etc and had to walk.
By Chilao
April 27, 2006 02:11 PM | Link to this
I took it completely the wrong way
you did indeed. LOL I know this is the rural South, but….
actually it is not a golden calf, it is a carved-onyx Spanish fighting bull. Golden calf was a making-a-point figure of speech. LOL
By Reason
April 27, 2006 02:20 PM | Link to this
The whole “new car/test drive” analogy doesn’t hold water. A better analogy would be “Would you want to buy a brand-new car that’s been driven like a rental?”
By Mara
April 27, 2006 02:22 PM | Link to this
Netbanker - Why are we targeting oil companies when drug companies and banks have profit margins in the 15-17% range and service companies are in the 10-11% range
I can get on with my life without a bank account so their profit margin, to me, between them and their customers. I can (and always have…)live without a gardner, nanny, cook, maid, or other service worker. So that too is a matter of business. I’m with you on the drug company profits, though. Medicine is something everyone, sooner or later, needs to have. Much like petroleum is. However shortsighted it was for the country to have virtually ignored and mocked alternative energy, we are still dependant on petroleum. We need it to power the trucks that move goods from producer to merchant. We need it to move workers from home to office. We need petroleum for our economy to survive. As an acknowlegement of this, we-the-taxpayer, through our representatives in congress, give the oil companies subsidies and tax breaks. In other words, we give the oil companies special treatment because they are so integral to our well-being (for now anyway…)
That’s why the petroleum company profits should be scrutinized. They gleefully take our largesse while posting record breaking profits, which are, as FM pointed out, what’s left after expenses like shipping, refining, and the like.
By RF
April 27, 2006 02:27 PM | Link to this
Net- can you believe what a nightmare the doggone commuter rail has been? The tracks are there, there are station buildings and land available for additional stations, and plenty of folks who would use the rail. It just blows my mind that every metro county that has been subject to suburban sprawl has all but refused to discuss any kind of public transportation. MARTA still has a negative ridership association with it. Many still fear that crime and low-lifes will take over the burbs if there’s a bus route there. I loved MARTA when I was at GSU. That’s the only way I ever finished homework!
By Scalia
April 27, 2006 02:29 PM | Link to this
RF…Ah, Damita Jo (Janet Jackson). That’s my girl. You know how to make a young man smile.
“If” or “Throb” would be my song.
By Common Sense
April 27, 2006 02:32 PM | Link to this
And to the person who feels necessary to judge by performance. What if, after you get married, your spouse is in an accident and left paralized from the waist down and unable to perform? Will you divorce him? A little shallow don’t you think? If performance is the basis for your marriage then you’ve got a lot to learn.
By Netbanker
April 27, 2006 02:36 PM | Link to this
FM….what is missing is that your example assumes an increase in profit within an operating period rather than between years. The profit figures quoted for the oil companies are comparisons between years or the same quarter for different years. They’ve sold more this year than last year due to increased demands so the profits are higher.
By Chilao
April 27, 2006 02:40 PM | Link to this
RF - If I remember you live ‘down south’ Monticello way? and you drive into Southside to teach? Isn’t that quite a haul?
By Scalia
April 27, 2006 02:41 PM | Link to this
RF…right on! I loved being in New York because I could ride the train wherever I wanted to go. Buenos Aires has a rockin transit system. Puerto Rico’s bus system in San Juan works really well. So why doesn’t Atlanta have a better transit system? I would gladly get rid of my car and the insurance (I would save a ton of money, too.).
By Reason
April 27, 2006 02:44 PM | Link to this
“Why are all the people who claim to be open minded not open to Christianity?”
By GOB
April 27, 2006 02:46 PM | Link to this
And to the person who feels necessary to judge by performance. What if, after you get married, your spouse is in an accident and left paralized from the waist down and unable to perform? Will you divorce him? A little shallow don’t you think? If performance is the basis for your marriage then you’ve got a lot to learn.
Sounds like someone hit a nerve…JK
By Tim
April 27, 2006 02:48 PM | Link to this
No public transportation… some of us have sensitive tummies and get woozie everytime we ride marta
By Archie
April 27, 2006 02:58 PM | Link to this
First of all I like that “Throb” song. Second since it was me who brought up the oil companies I must ask NetBanker a question. Netbanker I trust what you say but I really was thinking like FatMoose. I just read where Exxon posted their 8 billion dollar first quarter profit—their 5th highest ever. What’s up with that? I always thought if profits are up your expenses had to go down or your sales had to go up but prices have risen a lot. I don’t know that demand has risen. How can the public be blamed when we’re really just trying to get some groceries,go to work,party on the weekend, or otherwise known as living?
By Common Sense
April 27, 2006 02:59 PM | Link to this
GOB, aka “JK”, can you answer the question?
By GOB
April 27, 2006 02:59 PM | Link to this
I was in London last year, and their public transportation was beautiful. We stayed with friends that lived outside of the city (about as far from downtown as Alpharetta is), and never once got in a car. We took the train into the city every morning (for $10 we got roundtrip trainfare and unlimited use of the tube for the day).
It was such a good way to experiance the city because we were actually with the people who lived and worked there.
Plus we saw the london marathon - a guy ran the entire 26 miles in a hazmat suit. There were two guys in a horse costume as well. Good times.
By chuck
April 27, 2006 03:00 PM | Link to this
FM, I think you are also confusing the increase in DOLLAR profit and the profit margin. If the companies maintain an 8.2% profit MARGIN they will make more DOLLARS with the increase in sales, but the markup remains the same. The profit can increase while the profit margin stays the same.
But, answer this for me NetB, even though their PM stays the same, they will make significantly HIGHER profits as the prices increase, won’t they? I mean 8.2% of $3.00 is more than 8.2% of $1.50. I am definitely a free market conservative, but what would be the harm, in a case like this, with putting a CAP of so many CENTS profit per gallon on gas rather than looking at their profit margin percentages. They would still make more if they sell more.
Also, does anybody KNOW what the ACTUAL cost is to produce a gallon of gas in addition to the cost of the oil itself, and how many gallons of gas can be refined from a barrel of oil?.
By RF
April 27, 2006 03:03 PM | Link to this
Chilao- nah, I live about 25 min. from my school. Not bad, but definitely looking to move closer soon. I loved it when I lived in Sylvan Hills and could walk to Lakewood station for school, entertainment, etc. I love the burbs and moved here to teach/raise my younguns, but would love to see some transit for people to commute to ATL.
By RF
April 27, 2006 03:03 PM | Link to this
Chilao- nah, I live about 25 min. from my school. Not bad, but definitely looking to move closer soon. I loved it when I lived in Sylvan Hills and could walk to Lakewood station for school, entertainment, etc. I love the burbs and moved here to teach/raise my younguns, but would love to see some transit for people to commute to ATL.
By Monica
April 27, 2006 03:09 PM | Link to this
Reason, Good response with the new car/rental analogy! I will have to remember that one for future reference!
By RF
April 27, 2006 03:11 PM | Link to this
okay….the blog gods are messing with me today. I promise I only hist “post” once.
By Jack
April 27, 2006 03:13 PM | Link to this
Common Sense. Til death do us part. I quoted an old song about that very thing. Ruby, don’t take your love to town. Kenny Rodgers
By RF
April 27, 2006 03:17 PM | Link to this
Monica- I don’t know about you, but I teach a lot of kids who look “new” but the’ve got more miles on them than the Daytona speedway!!
By Chilao
April 27, 2006 03:20 PM | Link to this
Isn’t there so long political story about why MARTA ended up as weirdly looking as it does(track layout), compared to other cities at least? or did someone touch on it with the those hoodlums will come out to the burbs comment?
RF - thanks, that may have been where you USED to live. 25 miles not bad.
I have heard put-down references to what is it, Henry county? Was driving I-85 south, just south of the Hartsfield, a few months ago, some HOT Asian chick blew by me in a BMW, I thought if that is Henry County, I need to move there. LOL and joking.
By kimberly
April 27, 2006 03:26 PM | Link to this
You painted up your lips and rolled and curled your tinted hair. Ruby are you contemplating goin’ out somewhere?
By Zack
April 27, 2006 03:30 PM | Link to this
The72John—Have I <—- taken a sociology class before? Are you so blinded by your hateful nature that you don’t see or understand what’s going on? Sociology classes are full of religious commentary, as in the professor doing his best to attack the credibility of the Bible.
I came across a sorry, sorry, sorry comment about fetuses on last week’s blog and can’t remember if the comment was by Lozen or Whiley, but it was a true sign of someone with no feelings againat the nazi-like reality that is abortion. Both Lozen and Whiley are sick individuals, obviously. Their comments show this fact all the time.
The72John—You’re always trying to establish some semblance of credibility and attack the credibility of those like me who speak the truth, and you fail at both. You’re full of hatred and bigotry. You’re a psychopath, an unreasonable individual, an irresponsible individual, careless, and unwise. What’s scary is that people like you can vote, adopt kids, and so forth. People like yourself need to be isolated in prison or an asylum somewhere, bound and gagged. Like your gay friends, you spew hatred and bigotry toward those who don’t endorse your lifestyle. My, what a sick, stupid oxymoron.
You could never beat someone like me in a public debate. You wouldn’t even know where to begin. You’d just stand there and spew your hatred and call me as many names as you could with your effeminate style.
By the way, a guy from Lee University last year let me know he was willing. I let him know I was straight, and he drove off in a major hurry. Like “The72John”, these people are sick.
However, I don’t put this guy in the same category as John, not even close. This guy didn’t seem to be the social misfit/reject that John obviously is.
John, grow up. Be a man. You’re 34, so it’s about time. (You don’t sound anywhere near 34. You really don’t. If you’ll become a man, you’ll carry yourself totally differently and won’t go through life simply trying to demean others and can then go about becoming successful.
If you think I’ve been too harsh on John, just remember that he, Lozen, Whiley, Norman, etc. are as uncivilized and sorry as they come. It’s almost impossible to be too hard on this bunch of trash.
I’m just telling it like it is, and I don’t apologize for puting a bunch of sorry people in their places.
—clausentowashington@yahoo.com
By Monica
April 27, 2006 03:31 PM | Link to this
RF, I teach the same kids! It’s really scary! Many of them have racked up a lot of those miles while in Daytona (or Panama City). You should hear my pre-Spring Break “Don’t Have Sex” speech - I make the seniors blush!
By Jack
April 27, 2006 03:32 PM | Link to this
Chilao. They made the rail line a “T” instead of an “O” so they could cater to the special interest groups. That is why you can’t get anywhere but the airport unless you want to take all day going via bus-rail-bus. What sense they had.
By lozen
April 27, 2006 03:40 PM | Link to this
Common Sense, kind of silly questions, but for one: If I were married and my spouse were paralyzed from the waist down we both would already know that the “nether” part is unnecessary for satisfying sex. Actually, it might be better! Why is it called foreplay when that’s the part most women like best?
By Zack
April 27, 2006 03:42 PM | Link to this
typo: “against”, not “againat”, and I forgot to close a parenthetical phrase later.
Overall, neither is a big deal.
As for premarital sex, it’s wrong.
Period.
WE don’t determine truth. We’re not God.
By lozen
April 27, 2006 03:44 PM | Link to this
Reason: I am one open minded person who has studied christianity and learned it makes no sense. That’s why.
By RF
April 27, 2006 03:51 PM | Link to this
chilao- you definitely weren’t in Henry if someone blew by you. I-75 moves slower than the line at the DMV most days!! LOLOL
Monica- sounds like the speech I give. Except that I give it to ninth graders!! I found out recently that I have one that had a baby at 12!!
I’m just telling it like it is, and I don’t apologize for puting a bunch of sorry people in their places. You know, I’ve found that the truth seldom needs to be told, and that those who use telling it like it is as their excuse are simply justifying their own sin and end up looking far more foolish than they ever realize. Zack, it takes sorry to know sorry dude. You can’t adequately judge a life you haven’t lived yourself.
By GOB
April 27, 2006 03:52 PM | Link to this
Common Sense - If my wife were physically unable to have sex, no I wouldnt leave her. I think you are taking a somewhat joking analogy a little too seriously.
“Why are all the people who claim to be open minded not open to Christianity?”
Because so many christians today live in a way that is mutually exclusive of being open minded. There are exceptions, of course. Julia, RF, JBM, Monica come to mind. Mainstream christians, however, seem a whole lot more concerned with imposing their will on everyone else, rather than on truly loving them.
Also, most of the “open-minded” people that I know have no qualms with the christianity that preaches loving your neighbor and helping out those in need. I am willing to admit that I dont know whether what the bible says is true is real or not. To me, that seems reasonable. I simply dont know, and have not seen anything that has convinced me one way or the other. Most of the people that I consider open minded tend to fall into that general mindset as well.
By lozen
April 27, 2006 03:54 PM | Link to this
Oh yeah! We’re talking about men here aren’t we? All those men who run around having sex all over the place? I sure wouldn’t want to marry one of those guys! I never thought to compare those guys to rental cars but hey, I’m sure thinking about it now!
By Mara
April 27, 2006 04:01 PM | Link to this
Reason - “Why are all the people who claim to be open minded not open to Christianity?”
Talk about overstating the case! LOL!! “ALL” the people, Reason? Even the ones who do more than “claim” to be open-minded? silly question, badly asked.
Ta-ta all (air kissesd all around…)
By The72John
April 27, 2006 04:02 PM | Link to this
Thanks, Zack, for giving me one of the biggest laughs I’ve had in days. In attempting to describe me, you’ve described yourself perfectly.
By GOB
April 27, 2006 04:05 PM | Link to this
Zack seems like he would be fun to hang out with.
By lozen
April 27, 2006 04:09 PM | Link to this
Zack, you naughty boy. How did you give the guys in the white coats the slip today?
By Chilao
April 27, 2006 04:13 PM | Link to this
RF - she had HENRY county plates, she was nowhere near Henry County, driving (flying at a low altitude) on I-85-So. actually she could not have been driving THAT fast, since I got a real good look. did I.
By Tim
April 27, 2006 04:16 PM | Link to this
lol @ lozen
By lozen
April 27, 2006 04:33 PM | Link to this
Tim, you make me proud! Ma
By Jack
April 27, 2006 05:02 PM | Link to this
Common Sense. A good exercise for that type situation is for the man to push a bowling ball up a 5ft 45 degree incline with his tongue 10 times. (the woman will love him)LOL
By FatMoose
April 27, 2006 05:23 PM | Link to this
The whole “new car/test drive” analogy doesn’t hold water.
I agree with this statement. I also agree that for people that do not know how to communicate, actual intercourse is needed to affirm the notion of compatibility.
But for those of us humans who are intelligent and can communicate with our partner, I believe that these people understand if their partner is too freaky, or not freaky enough…etc through conversation and dating.
Test drive is just an excuse to do what you want, and we adults that choose to test drive for its real reason (psst..it is fun and how adults play). Adults do not need excuses to express sexuality and play with another adult.
By Billy
April 28, 2006 08:51 AM | Link to this
Chuck — I’m slow? Me? I said it was a funny post. At what point did I lay into you about it? Never. I said it was funny. I guarantee you I’m every bit as “fast” as you are.
By Monica
April 28, 2006 09:13 AM | Link to this
Thanks GOB. I wouldn’t even say that I was open minded, but willing to listen to others without being judgmental. I am interested in knowing how other people think.
OK. Can we please commence with the jokes? It’s been a looong week and I could use a good laugh. I am currently all dried up in the humor dept and have nothing witty to share.
By Chilao
April 28, 2006 09:14 AM | Link to this
Three women die together in an accident and go to heaven.
When they get there, St. Peter says, “We only have one rule here in heaven…don’t step on the ducks.”
So they enter heaven, and sure enough, there are ducks all over the place. It is almost impossible not to step on a duck, and although they try their best to avoid them, the first woman accidentally steps on one.
Along comes St. Peter with the ugliest man she ever saw. St. Peter chains them together and says “Your punishment for stepping on a duck is to spend eternity chained to this ugly man!”
The next day, the second woman steps accidentally on a duck, and along comes St. Peter, who doesn’t miss a thing, and with him is another extremely ugly man. He chains them together with the same admonishment as for the first woman.
The third woman has observed all this and, not wanting to be chained for all eternity to an ugly man, is very, VERY careful where she steps. She manages to go months without stepping on any ducks, but one day St. Peter comes up to her with the most handsome man she has ever laid eyes on.
Very tall, long eyelashes, muscular, and thin. St. Peter chains them together without saying a word. The woman remarks, “I wonder what I did to deserve being chained to you for all of eternity?”
The guy says, “I don’t know about you, but I stepped on a duck!”
By Chilao
April 28, 2006 09:24 AM | Link to this
THE PLANIn the beginning there was the plan.
And then came the Assumptions.
And the Assumptions were without form. And the Plan was without substance. And darkness fell upon the face of the Staff.
And they spoke amongst themselves, saying, “It is a crock of sh!t, and it stinketh.”
And the Staff went unto the Seniors and said, “It is a pail of dung, and none may abide the odor there of.”
And the Seniors went unto the Managers, saying, “It is a container of excrement, and it is very strong, such that none may abide by it.”
And the Managers went unto the Senior Managers, saying, “It is a vessel of fertilizer, and none may withstand its strength.”
And the Senior Managers spoke amongst themselves, saying to one to another, “It contains that which aids plant growth, and it is very strong.”
And the Senior Managers then went unto the Directors, saying unto them, “It promotes growth, and it is very powerful.”
And the Directors went unto the CIO, saying, unto him, “This new Plan will actively promote the growth and vigor of the firm, with powerful effects.”
And the CIO looked upon the Plan, and saw that it was good.
And the Plan became Policy.
And so this, my disciples, is how Sh!t Happens.
By Chilao
April 28, 2006 09:46 AM | Link to this
for the ITers, from ComputerWorld’s 04.17.05 SharkTank column. On that note, we just had our first ever SOX IT audit, and passed.
Ch—ch—changes
Consultant pilot fish spends a month modeling a client’s shift to a new change-management system. Then comes the day to swtich things over. “I flew 1500 miles to baby-sit it, ” fish says. “But the systems tech, who was also a big fan of the old system, refused to allow the cutover to proceed”.
“There is no change order in the system authorizing this,” he insisted.
“of course he was right, nobody, including me, had thought to enter a change to change the change system”.
By chuck
April 28, 2006 09:57 AM | Link to this
A farmer got pulled over by a state trooper for speeding, and the trooper started to lecture the farmer about his speed, and in general began to throw his weight around to try to make the farmer uncomfortable. Finally, the trooper got around to writing out the ticket, and as he was doing that he kept swatting at some flies that were buzzing around his head.
The farmer said, “Having some problems with circle flies there, are ya?” The trooper stopped writing the ticket and said, “Well yeah, if that’s what they are, but I never heard of circle flies.”
So the farmer says, “Well, circle flies are common on farms. See, they’re called circle flies because they’re almost always found circling around the back end of a horse.”
The trooper says, “Oh,” and goes back to writing the ticket. Then after a minute he stops and says, “Hey…wait a minute, are you trying to call me a horse’s a*?”
The farmer says, “Oh no, officer. I have too much respect for law enforcement and police officers to even think about calling you a horse’s a*.”
The trooper says, “Well, that’s a good thing,” and goes back to writing the ticket.
After a long pause, the farmer says, “Hard to fool them flies though…”
By chuck
April 28, 2006 10:05 AM | Link to this
Perfect Joke for this topic:
After discovering her young daughter playing doctor with the neighbor’s boy, the angry mother grabbed the boy by the ear and dragged him to his house and confronted his mother.
“It’s only natural for young boys and girls to explore their sexuality by playing doctor at their age.” the neighbor said.
“Forget sexuality!” The mother yelled. “He took out her appendix!”
By chuck
April 28, 2006 10:08 AM | Link to this
An old man from way out in the boondocks made it to new York and got on the subway. He sat down next to a younger man. He noticed that the young man had a strange kind of shirt collar, so he asked the man, “Excuse me, sir, but why do you have your shirt collar on backwards?”
The young man smiled kindly and answered, “I wear this collar because I am a Father.”
The old man thought a second and responded, “Sir, I am also a father, but I wear my collar frontways. Why do you wear your collar so differently?”
The priest thought for a minute, and said, “I am the Father for many.”
The old man quickly answered, “I too am the father of many. I have six sons, five daughters and many grandchildren. But I wear my collar like everyone else does. Why do you wear yours backwards?”
The priest, flustered, said impatiently,
“Sir, I am the Father for hundreds and hundreds of people.”
The old man, taken aback, sat silently for a long time. As he got up to leave the subway car, he leaned over to the priest and said, “Mister, maybe you should wear your pants backwards.”
By lozen
April 28, 2006 10:12 AM | Link to this
Chileo, that is funny!
Ladies and gentlemen of the class of ‘06: Wear sunscreen. If I could offer you only one tip for the future, sunscreen would be it. The long-term benefits of sunscreen have been proved by scientists, whereas the rest of my advice has no basis more reliable than my own meandering experience. I will dispense this advice now. Enjoy the power and beauty of your youth. Oh, never mind. You will not understand the power and beauty of your youth until they’ve faded. But trust me, in 20 years, you’ll look at photos of yourself and recall in a way you can’t grasp now how much possibility lay before you and how fabulous you really looked. You are not as fat as you imagine. Don’t worry about the future. Or worry, but know that worrying is as effective as trying to solve an algebra equation by chewing bubble gum. The real troubles in your life are apt to be things that never crossed your worried mind, the kind that blindside you at 4 pm on some idle Tuesday. Do one thing every day that scares you. Sing. Don’t be reckless with other people’s hearts. Don’t put up with people who are reckless with yours. Floss. Don’t waste your time on jealousy. Sometimes you’re ahead, sometimes you’re behind. The race is long and, in the end, it’s only with yourself. Remember compliments you receive. Forget the insults. If you succeed in doing this, tell me how. Keep your old love letters. Throw away your old bank statements. Stretch. Don’t feel guilty if you don’t know what you want to do with your life. The most interesting people I know didn’t know at 22 what they wanted to do with their lives. Some of the most interesting 40-year-olds I know still don’t. Get plenty of calcium. Be kind to your knees. You’ll miss them when they’re gone. Maybe you’ll marry, maybe you won’t. Maybe you’ll have children, maybe you won’t. Maybe you’ll divorce at 40, maybe you’ll dance the funky chicken on your 75th wedding anniversary. Whatever you do, don’t congratulate yourself too much, or berate yourself either. Your choices are half chance. So are everybody else’s. Enjoy your body. Use it every way you can. Don’t be afraid of it or of what other people think of it. It’s the greatest instrument you’ll ever own. Dance, even if you have nowhere to do it but your living room. Read the directions, even if you don’t follow them. Do not read beauty magazines. They will only make you feel ugly. Get to know your parents. You never know when they’ll be gone for good. Be nice to your siblings. They’re your best link to your past and the people most likely to stick with you in the future. Understand that friends come and go, but with a precious few you should hold on. Work hard to bridge the gaps in geography and lifestyle, because the older you get, the more you need the people who knew you when you were young.
Live in New York City once, but leave before it makes you hard. Live in Northern California once, but leave before it makes you soft. Travel. Accept certain inalienable truths: Prices will rise. Politicians will philander. You, too, will get old. And when you do, you’ll fantasize that when you were young, prices were reasonable, politicians were noble, and children respected their elders. Respect your elders. Don’t expect anyone else to support you. Maybe you have a trust fund. Maybe you’ll have a wealthy spouse. But you never know when either one might run out. Don’t mess too much with your hair or by the time you’re 40 it will look 85. Be careful whose advice you buy, but be patient with those who supply it. Advice is a form of nostalgia. Dispensing it is a way of fishing the past from the disposal, wiping it off, painting over the ugly parts and recycling it for more than it’s worth. But trust me on the sunscreen. (Kurt Vonnegutt speech to graduating class)
By chuck
April 28, 2006 10:43 AM | Link to this
An inter-office softball game was held every year between the marketing and support staff of one company. The support staff whipped the marketing department soundly.
To show just how the marketing department earns their keep, they posted this memo on the bulletin board after the game:
“The Marketing Department is pleased to announce that for the 2000 Softball Season, we came in 2nd place, having lost but one game all year. The Support Department, however, had a rather dismal season, winning only one game.”
By chuck
April 28, 2006 10:52 AM | Link to this
Two men are drinking in a bar at the top of the Empire State Building. One turns to the other and says, “You know, last week I discovered that if you jump from the top of this building, by the time you fall to the 10th floor, the winds around the building are so intense that they carry you around the building and back into the window.”
The bartender just shakes his head in disapproval while wiping the bar.
The second man says, “What are you a nut? There’s no way that could happen.”
The first man responds, “No it’s true. Let me prove it to you.” So he gets up from the bar, jumps over the balcony, and careens to the street below. When he passes the 10th floor, the high wind whips him around the building and back into the 10th floor window and he takes the elevator back up to the bar.
The second guy tells him, “You know I saw that with my own eyes, but that must have been a one-time fluke.”
The first guy says, “No, I’ll prove it again,” and again he jumps and hurtles toward the street where the 10th floor wind gently carries him around the building and into the window. Once upstairs he urges his fellow drinker to try it.
The second man thinks, “Well why not? It works, I’ll try it.” So he jumps over the balcony, plunges downward, passes the 11th, 10th, 9th, 8th floors…and hits the sidewalk with a ‘splat!’
Back upstairs the bartender turns to the other drinker and says, “You know, Superman, you’re a real mean drunk.”
By Chilao
April 28, 2006 11:08 AM | Link to this
anybody see Desperate Housewives a few weeks ago:?
Teacher to parent:
“Mrs. Smith, you really need to learn what your daughter will do for a ginger snap”
since apparently exposing herself to inquisitive male classmates only took a ginger snap. she hasn’t yet learned it is a commodity worthy of ‘dinner and movie’. lmao
By lozen
April 28, 2006 11:50 AM | Link to this
Chileo, that is funny!
Ladies and gentlemen of the class of ‘06: Wear sunscreen. If I could offer you only one tip for the future, sunscreen would be it. The long-term benefits of sunscreen have been proved by scientists, whereas the rest of my advice has no basis more reliable than my own meandering experience. I will dispense this advice now. Enjoy the power and beauty of your youth. Oh, never mind. You will not understand the power and beauty of your youth until they’ve faded. But trust me, in 20 years, you’ll look at photos of yourself and recall in a way you can’t grasp now how much possibility lay before you and how fabulous you really looked. You are not as fat as you imagine. Don’t worry about the future. Or worry, but know that worrying is as effective as trying to solve an algebra equation by chewing bubble gum. The real troubles in your life are apt to be things that never crossed your worried mind, the kind that blindside you at 4 pm on some idle Tuesday. Do one thing every day that scares you. Sing. Don’t be reckless with other people’s hearts. Don’t put up with people who are reckless with yours. Floss. Don’t waste your time on jealousy. Sometimes you’re ahead, sometimes you’re behind. The race is long and, in the end, it’s only with yourself. Remember compliments you receive. Forget the insults. If you succeed in doing this, tell me how. Keep your old love letters. Throw away your old bank statements. Stretch. Don’t feel guilty if you don’t know what you want to do with your life. The most interesting people I know didn’t know at 22 what they wanted to do with their lives. Some of the most interesting 40-year-olds I know still don’t. Get plenty of calcium. Be kind to your knees. You’ll miss them when they’re gone. Maybe you’ll marry, maybe you won’t. Maybe you’ll have children, maybe you won’t. Maybe you’ll divorce at 40, maybe you’ll dance the funky chicken on your 75th wedding anniversary. Whatever you do, don’t congratulate yourself too much, or berate yourself either. Your choices are half chance. So are everybody else’s. Enjoy your body. Use it every way you can. Don’t be afraid of it or of what other people think of it. It’s the greatest instrument you’ll ever own. Dance, even if you have nowhere to do it but your living room. Read the directions, even if you don’t follow them. Do not read beauty magazines. They will only make you feel ugly. Get to know your parents. You never know when they’ll be gone for good. Be nice to your siblings. They’re your best link to your past and the people most likely to stick with you in the future. Understand that friends come and go, but with a precious few you should hold on. Work hard to bridge the gaps in geography and lifestyle, because the older you get, the more you need the people who knew you when you were young.
Live in New York City once, but leave before it makes you hard. Live in Northern California once, but leave before it makes you soft. Travel. Accept certain inalienable truths: Prices will rise. Politicians will philander. You, too, will get old. And when you do, you’ll fantasize that when you were young, prices were reasonable, politicians were noble, and children respected their elders. Respect your elders. Don’t expect anyone else to support you. Maybe you have a trust fund. Maybe you’ll have a wealthy spouse. But you never know when either one might run out. Don’t mess too much with your hair or by the time you’re 40 it will look 85. Be careful whose advice you buy, but be patient with those who supply it. Advice is a form of nostalgia. Dispensing it is a way of fishing the past from the disposal, wiping it off, painting over the ugly parts and recycling it for more than it’s worth. But trust me on the sunscreen. (Kurt Vonnegutt speech to graduating class)
By chuck
April 28, 2006 12:27 PM | Link to this
One day our physics professor was discussing a particularly complicated concept. A pre-med student rudely interrupted to ask “Why do we have to learn this stuff?”
“To save lives.” the professor responded quickly and continued the lecture.
A few minutes later, the same student spoke up again. “So, how does physics save lives?” he persisted.
“It keeps the idiots out of medical school,” replied the professor.
By Netbanker
April 28, 2006 01:01 PM | Link to this
Chuck…you’re on a roll today!
Chilao…congrats on passing your audit, but I’d love to know how IT audits (or any audit for that matter) for SOX compliance is created and passed. I HATE SOX! It is one of those laws that only defines which corporate officers have to sign the financial reports and the penalties for false reports yet it’s impact has been HUGE and soooo far beyond the financial reports that it’s turned into a complete open season on anything anyone declares falls under SOX. Only the government could design something like that.
By RF
April 28, 2006 01:28 PM | Link to this
Net- remember this is the same government that manages our public schools. Now that’s REALLY scary!!!LOL (Can you tell I’m past ready for this year to be done??)
By candide
April 28, 2006 01:35 PM | Link to this
Well, what’s next week’s question for the Christian bigots? Should married people engage in oral or anal sex?
By Chilao
April 28, 2006 01:38 PM | Link to this
NetB - LMAO - SOX is all about appearances, IT/audit-wise at least.
But users now have to fill out a form for this that or the other, something they not used to doing. When they complain, I just say “Write your congressman”.
I worked in banking/IT for four years at some point, which had all the controls of SOX, but pre-SOX. I just say “I can do the bureaucratic slowdown better than anyone”. (having developed an expertise in that at the bank..LOL)
I’d be that guy saying I cannot make the change, since I do not have the change-form. It’s called CYA. LOL
By The72John
April 28, 2006 01:39 PM | Link to this
Good jokes all. Even chuck, as much as it irks me to admit it.
Lately, by Friday it is nearly impossible to get on the blog, so I probably won’t be back until Monday.
Just out of curiosity, is anyone else having these problems, and if so, are you using IE, or another browser?
By Chilao
April 28, 2006 01:52 PM | Link to this
John - I am using IE and it is a ajc/cox issue, this never used to be a major MFer to load. and those weeks ago posts were just as long. started about two weeks ago. I mentioned my home machine being fine, but I walked away and came back later. It would happen here as well, if I waited long enough.(meaning fully load fine)
here at work I need to close a browser FAST, and this site hangs up my everything on my machine. I go into Task Mgr and cancel, and wait for it to load with it minimized, so the topic is not being displayed on my screen.
no, it is an ajc/cox issue. not my machine, not my network card, network cable, etc. other blog sites at ajc behave the same way. CRAPPILY!(is that a word? LOL)
By Billy
April 28, 2006 01:53 PM | Link to this
I’m using Firefox, and I get on with no problem. What irks me is that it takes every bit of the five minutes for posts to show up. The delay…God…It’s like a satellite inverview, but with typing.
By RF
April 28, 2006 01:57 PM | Link to this
Does it to me too in IE. Some days are worse than others. Seems the AJC has a problem with the volume of posts with all the blogs they have open.
By Archie
April 28, 2006 01:59 PM | Link to this
“Do one thing every day that scares you. Sing. Don’t be reckless with other people’s hearts. Don’t put up with people who are reckless with yours. Floss. Don’t waste your time on jealousy. Sometimes you’re ahead, sometimes you’re behind. The race is long and, in the end, it’s only with yourself. Remember compliments you receive. Forget the insults. If you succeed in doing this, tell me how. Keep your old love letters. Throw away your old bank statements. Stretch. Don’t feel guilty if you don’t know what you want to do with your life. The most interesting people I know didn’t know at 22 what they wanted to do with their lives. Some of the most interesting 40-year-olds I know still don’t. Get plenty of calcium. Be kind to your knees. You’ll miss them when they’re gone. Maybe you’ll marry, maybe you won’t. Maybe you’ll have children, maybe you won’t. Maybe you’ll divorce at 40, maybe you’ll dance the funky chicken on your 75th wedding anniversary. Whatever you do, don’t congratulate yourself too much, or berate yourself either. Your choices are half chance. So are everybody else’s. Enjoy your body. Use it every way you can. Don’t be afraid of it or of what other people think of it. It’s the greatest instrument you’ll ever own. Dance, even if you have nowhere to do it but your living room. Read the directions, even if you don’t follow them. Do not read beauty magazines.”
Lozen I don’t know if I agree with all of this but it is a pleasant post to read. I do dance every two weeks but I definitely have not kept old love letters. So many people need to read the directions!!!
By Chilao
April 28, 2006 02:14 PM | Link to this
I run WIN2000 at work. this problem started mid-day Wednesday a week ago, and it not related to the length of the page, since it was having the same problem early Monday morning.
I am sure someone in the backroom web server area knows exactly what they did or what happened mid day Wednesday a week ago.
There was an big IE update about that same time, (ballpark)but any potential problems related to that was supposed to be related to plug-in media. per what I read, anyway.
not sure what kinda plug-in media is part of this page. LOL
Chuck, yea, hilarious jokes, I sent a few elsewhere.
Lozen - got to agree on alot of that Vonnegut, especially the sun screen. LOL
By The72John
April 28, 2006 02:14 PM | Link to this
The longest lockup for me comes AFTER the page has loaded…I wonder if it doesn’t have to do with the Active X changes in IE? The timing seems to coincide.
By Scalia
April 28, 2006 02:20 PM | Link to this
Wow…I thought that it was just me. Up until a few weeks ago, posts would post quickly. Now, it does take all of thee five minutes. How ridiculous is that?
Anyway, is anybody going to the Inman-Park Festival or is that a liberal, pansy, “put down religion” event?
By Chilao
April 28, 2006 02:36 PM | Link to this
John - I mentioned when I first started complaining about this that the site seemed to have a difficult time sending the end-of-page indicator.
but the timing for the big IE change and this mighty suspicious. Don’t know about the ActiveX stuff. Cannot find now where I used to be able to find in IE options(I think that’s where it was). just talked to someone else, that IS where it WAS but it no longer there. the ‘allow active X?’ option no longer showing up.
By lozen
April 28, 2006 02:38 PM | Link to this
Scalia, wouldn’t miss the Inman Park Festival for anything! I love the parade and the silly marching bands. Is it a liberal, pansy, “put down religion” event? I don’t think so, but I’ll go anyway!
By Chilao
April 28, 2006 02:44 PM | Link to this
There may be a manual person approving posts. hence the delay.. LOL
Since Billy, running Firefox, is not having a problem, most likely the recent IE change.
I run that at home, sometimes, the Firefox, like how you can do a quick download in the background. What I did not like, and was never able to figure out, is when you fire it(browser) up it automatically dials your default ISP. I run two ISPs with three dial-up numbers, so want that DialupDialog option box to come up, and allow me to dial what I wish at that time, since time of day a factor in who/what I dial. Never could figure out how to have that display, so I did not have to go change my default connection each time.
By chuck
April 28, 2006 02:46 PM | Link to this
That was very magnanimous of you john.
Two brooms were hanging in the closet, and after they got to know each other a bit, decided to get married.
The bride broom looked very beautiful in her white dress. The groom broom was handsome and suave in his tuxedo. The wedding was lovely and attended by all the push brooms and dust mops.
After the wedding, at the wedding dinner, the bride broom leaned over and whispered to the groom broom, “We’re soon going to have a little whisk broom!”
“Impossible!” said the groom broom, indignantly. “We haven’t even swept together yet!!!”
By chuck
April 28, 2006 02:51 PM | Link to this
If marriage were outlawed, only outlaws would have in-laws.
By The72John
April 28, 2006 02:52 PM | Link to this
Microsoft had to change that feature because they apparently stole the coding involved from another source…go figure.
What is this…”dial-up” of which you speak?
By lozen
April 28, 2006 03:08 PM | Link to this
This is a Firefox test. How long will it take to post?
By Monica
April 28, 2006 03:08 PM | Link to this
Chuck, the “Bride Broom” joke was great!! Perfect end to a long week. Have a great weekend all. :)
By lozen
April 28, 2006 03:15 PM | Link to this
Well, it is faster; thanks Billy! Everyone have a good, liberal, pansy, put-down-religion weekend ;-)
By Chilao
April 28, 2006 03:23 PM | Link to this
What is this…”dial-up” of which you speak?
rub it in, huh? I know, that is so LastCentury. dialup. LOL
rural South, there is not even cable in my area and my cell phone, Cingular at that, does not even work where I live. My only true option is some two-way Satellite ISP, I researched years ago, but they did not support NT, and I only went to XP about 2 years ago(at home, never been on 9x or XP at work).
other option is one-way satellite, meaning I make I/O request via phone line and receive via satellite dish.
cost-wise, web-access from home not THAT important to me to get the two-way satellite ISP, which is the one I would get. If I want a large file, just download at work, burn to a cd, and take home. Firefox, Opera, Quicktime/iTunes, came home that way.
By The72John
April 28, 2006 03:31 PM | Link to this
This is a Firefox test. How long will it take to post?
It’s not the posting that’s the issue - it’s the page-loading.
By Billy
April 28, 2006 03:38 PM | Link to this
“If marriage were outlawed, only outlaws would have in-laws.”
Not so. If it’s illegal to get married, but my sister gets married, her husband would be my brother-in-law. I’d have an il-law even though I hadn’t broken the law.
By Billy
April 28, 2006 03:39 PM | Link to this
Yeah, my pages load quickly, but the posts take forever to load…
By lozen
April 28, 2006 04:14 PM | Link to this
I just need to run this by you computer savy people. I posted a comment to another of the AJC blogs a couple of weeks ago and then I got a message, sent to my email account! How could someone get my email and send me a message?
By Julia
April 28, 2006 04:22 PM | Link to this
I’ve been away from my computer today and just stopped in at work a few hours ago to finish a few things and get my check. So, here’s a joke for ya’….
A man, whose level of drunkenness was bordering on the absurd, stood up to leave a bar and fell flat on his face.
“Maybe all I need is some fresh air,” thought the man as he crawled outside.
He tried to stand up again, but fell face first into the mud.
“Screw it,” he thought. “I’ll just crawl home.”
The next morning, his wife found him on the doorstep asleep.
“You went out drinking last night, didn’t you?” she said.
“Uh, yes,” he said sheepishly. “How did you know?”
“You left your wheelchair at the bar again.”
By Julia
April 28, 2006 04:26 PM | Link to this
WARNING: For those of you going out drinking this weekend…
Consumption of alcohol may make you think you are whispering when you are not.
Consumption of alcohol is a major factor in dancing like a loser.
Consumption of alcohol may cause you to tell the same boring story over and over again.
Consumption of alcohol may cause you to thay shings like thish.
Consumption of alcohol may convince you that your ex is really dying to hear from you at 4 am.
Consumption of alcohol may cause you to roll over in the morning and see something really scary (whose species and/or name you can’t remember).
Consumption of alcohol is the leading cause of inexplicable rug burns on the forehead.
Consumption of alcohol may lead you to believe that you’re tougher than a really big guy named Kong.
Consumption of alcohol may lead you to believe you are invisible.
Consumption of alcohol may lead you to think people are laughing WITH you.
Consumption of alcohol may cause an influx in the time-space continuum, whereby small… or large gaps of time may seem to literally disappear.
Consumption of alcohol may actually CAUSE pregnancy.
By Chilao
April 28, 2006 04:27 PM | Link to this
Lozen - some of the ajc blogs have the email attached, just hover over poster’s name, you will see the mailto: with your email address in the bottom bar. this blog(W2W) does not do that, most here(ajc) do not show the email address.
was it hatemail? LOL (I think I know the exact post you are referring to). sage comes to mind.
have a good weekend, everybody, probably not going to slug-load this page again.
By Julia
April 28, 2006 04:32 PM | Link to this
A guy walks into a bar and orders a beer.
“Listen,” he says to the bartender, “If I show you the most amazing thing you’ve ever seen, is my beer on the house?”
“We’ll see,” says the bartender.
So the guy pulls out a hamster and a tiny piano out of a bag, puts them on the bar, and the hamster begins to play.
“Impressive,” says the bartender, “but I’ll need to see more.”
“Hold on,” says the man. He then pulls out a bullfrog, and it sings “Old Man River.”
A patron jumps up from his table and shouts “Thats’s Absolutely incredible! I’ll give you $100 right now for the frog.”
“Sold,” says the guy. The patron takes the bullfrog and leaves.
“It’s none of my business,” says the bartender, “but you just gave away a fortune.”
“Not really,” says the guy, “The hamster is also a vantriloquist.”
By Julia
April 28, 2006 04:36 PM | Link to this
Guy walks into a bar, sits down next to another guy and immediately notices the guy has a very large Bic cigarette lighter.
The first guy says “Wow, cool lighter…where did you get it?”
“A genie from a bottle granted me one wish.”
“Great, can I try it?”
“Sure.”
First guy rubs the bottle and the genie appears. “You are granted one wish says the genie.”
The guy says, “I want a million bucks!”
“Done” says the genie and disappears.
A few minutes go by and suddenly the bar door swings open and in come pouring in ducks. Thousands and thousands of ducks falling all over each other through the bar door.
“I can’t believe this,” says the guy who had just placed his wish, “I asked for a million bucks, not a million ducks!”
The second guy then says, “Do you really think I wished for a 12” Bic?”
By Julia
April 28, 2006 04:42 PM | Link to this
Two little boys, Sammy and Tim, were sharing a room in the hospital. As they were getting to know each other a little bit, Sammy eventually asked Tim, “Hey Tim, what’re you in for?”
“I’m getting my tonsils out - I’m a little worried,” said Tim.
“Oh don’t worry about it. I had my tonsils out and it was a blast! I got to eat all the ice cream and jello I wanted for two weeks!”
“Oh yeah?” replied Tim. “That’s not half-bad. Hey, Sammy, how about you? What’re you here for?”
“I’m getting a circumcision, whatever that is!” Sammy answered.
“Oh my god, circumcision? I got one of those when I was a baby and I couldn’t walk for two years!”
By Julia
April 28, 2006 04:47 PM | Link to this
It was a cold winter day, when an old man walked out onto a frozen lake, cut a hole in the ice, dropped in his fishing line and began waiting for a fish to bite.
He was there for almost an hour without even a nibble when a young boy walked out onto the ice, cut a hole in the ice not too far from the old man and dropped in his fishing line. It only took about a minute and WHAM! a Largemouth Bass hit his hook and the boy pulled in the fish.
The old man couldn’t believe it but figured it was just luck. But, the boy dropped in his line and again within just a few minutes pulled in another one.
This went on and on until finally the old man couldn’t take it any more since he hadn’t caught a thing all this time.
He went to the boy and said, “Son, I’ve been here for over an hour without even a nibble. You have been here only a few minutes and have caught about half a dozen fish! How do you do it?”
The boy responded, “Roo raf roo reep ra rums rrarm.”
“What was that?” the old man asked.
Again the boy responded, “Roo raf roo reep ra rums rarrm.”
“Look,” said the old man, “I can’t understand a word you are saying.”
So, the boy spit into his hand and said, “You have to keep the worms warm!”