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Shaunti Feldhahn, a right-leaning columnist, spars with Diane Glass, a left-leaning columnist.

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Are ‘prenup’ agreements divisive or necessary?

Diane Glass, a left-leaning columnist, writes the commentary this week and Shaunti Feldhahn, a right-leaning columnist, responds.

Diane Glass, a left-leaning columnist, writes the commentary this week and Shaunti Feldhahn, a right-leaning columnist, responds.

Commentary

By Diane Glass

Diane Glass
I. Prenuptial Pros and Cons

1) Rights Granted to Motherhood. Pursuant to popular opinion, prenuptial agreements undermine motherhood. A wife cares for her husband and children. The family children, henceforth referred as “future contributors to society,” are our leaders of tomorrow. It is therefore the majority opinion that wives should receive a full half share of marital assets.

  • Reality 1. Here’s the 411: Women aren’t down with the fantasy-rap about the 1950s household wench. The number of working moms is off-the-chain. They deserve some props. But moms can’t assume the courts are going to support them after little Bobby grows up. They need a prenup upfront giving them some cash for their stash. (Lawyers can protect a mother’s rights, not just take them away).

    2) Premature Dissolution. Prenuptial agreements put an undue burden on marriage before a union has been officially sanctioned by government officials, and as such, marriage begins with an undue burden. It is maintained by many serious people that when society furnishes the opportunity to escape responsibility an individual of either gender will abscond from their said marital duties.

  • Reality 2. Since when do marriages without prenups self-combust at slower rates than marriages? And since when is having some bling all about men?

  • Even the Census is down with the news. Many people getting hitched in 2006 are cashing-in on marital bliss a second time. They’ve probably got some cash, some wheels, a couple kids and a crib. A prenup is like having your girl watching your back.

    3) Senior Indemnification. In a manner consistent with societal practice, the majority of cash-deficient seniors are of the female gender, many of whom saw declines in status after a divorce.

  • Reality 3. Women need to get real about Prince Charming. He ain’t coming. And if he did, I doubt he’d be rescuing his bride from the drudgery of calculator use. Ask a girlfriend how chivalrous her ex was during the divorce proceedings.

    4) Conclusion. Both parties in a marriage should be financially responsible. The state-sanctioned marital contract only protects individuals for the duration of the contractual agreement. There are no guarantees of full support after a divorce.

  • Reality 4. Marriage is a business arrangement, baby. Don’t be fooled by the candy and flowers. Get it in writing.

    • Rebuttal

    By Shaunti Feldhahn

    Shaunti Feldhahn
    Marriage is not a business arrangement, but a prenup seems like the best way to make it one.

    My husband is a corporate attorney, and when he helps corporations merge, or helps one business partner join another for a heady money-making adventure, he’s really aiding a corporate lovebird in thinking through the “what if’s,” ensuring that his or her best interests are protected, and setting expectations in legal concrete. The business partners go into the deal with eyes wide open and an exit strategy in place, even if they hope never to use it.

    Although I’m never going to be as hip as Diane (what’s “off-the-chain” anyway?), here’s the real 411: If you go into marriage with your exit strategy in place, you might as well eliminate vows from the ceremony. Otherwise, what’s the point of the vow? Corporate lovebirds don’t make a vow: they make a contract. If the contract is broken or certain “what ifs” actually happen, the deal can be negated under section 3, paragraph b(i),

    But marrying lovebirds make a vow. Yes, the institution of marriage is legalized, but the legalities are based on the existence of the vow, not the other way around. And the vow excludes an exit strategy: “For richer or poorer, for better or worse, in sickness and in health, as long as we both shall live.” That is a comprehensive outline of ‘what ifs’, as well as the promise that they will not matter.

    Yes, some extreme cases — like domestic violence – may require a spouse to step away, but that has no bearing on whether prenuptial agreements are a good idea.

    If a betrothed person has a knee-jerk reaction against this argument, and a nagging desire to “protect themselves” with a prenup, I would encourage them to think long and hard about whether they should be getting married – specifically, married to this person— in the first place. I would also encourage any committed marriage that already has a prenup, to legally renounce it. Because in today’s culture, both partners need to know that the other is unconditionally committed to making their marriage work, no matter what. And an exit strategy says exactly the opposite.

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    By Vermin8

    March 13, 2006 07:11 AM | Link to this

    Marriage isn’t a business arrangement? Yes it is - it’s a civil contract. Anyone who gets married without a prenup is foolish - it used to be that marriage really was forever but divorce is rampant now. I don’t want or expect to get into a bad car wreck - I will do whatever I can to avoid it - but I still get car insurance.

    By Chilao

    March 13, 2006 07:41 AM | Link to this

    Excellent point, comparing to car insurance. Wonder when there will be a law requiring all married people to have prenups, since it certainly is required in most states for vehicle ownership.

    I think if the two individuals involved in marriage want a prenup, who are we to comment? And when did marriage turn into for love thru eternity anyway, Shakepeare’s time or so? Heard a great line in the movie The Libertine this weekend, a woman speaking: “Woman cannot give her love freely to man, otherwise he will take it lightly and not appreciate it”. Was she putting an economic value on it? See the recommended movie for a possible answer.

    Marriage was economic for so many years, and in many cases still is, so a prenup actually makes sense.

    I have to wonder if Diane’s hip vernacular post was a result of hiring a consultant or two or if urban Atlanta is just rubbing off on her? Her vernacular not something learned on soccer-Mom fields in Cherokee, Hall, or Rabun counties. As many have mentioned here, target audience is critical. LOL

    and did you hear that the New Orleans rapper who coined the term bling wishes he had copyrighted, he feels he would never have to rap again if he had. No, I am not young and hip, I just read alot of online news items. and remember some of it. LMAO

    By Renee

    March 13, 2006 07:59 AM | Link to this

    If two people want to enter into a marriage with a prenup, more power to them.

    My personal opinion is that if you are entering into a marriage with a prenup, and entering it into the mindset of being a contract, you shouldn’t be getting married. There is no way I would marry if a prenup was presented to me. Marriage is until death do us part, as my marriage is now, and I certainly don’t consider it to be the same as insuring your car. Marrying your life partner, your best friend is the equivalent to insuring your car????

    Yes, divorces do occur, but walking into a marriage thinking this might dissolve soon, and how can I cover my a___ in the event it does is SOOOO not the way to start a marriage. But that’s just my opinion, and if two consenting adults feel comfortable with it, so be it.

    I wish my partner would have presented me with a prenup!!! ~shaking my head~

    By Brian Curtis

    March 13, 2006 08:00 AM | Link to this

    Vermin8’s got it right: the civil procedure of marriage is, in fact, a contract—a business arrangement.

    If you participate in a religious ceremony, that has different elements apart from the paper-filing… but from the legal/governmental standpoint, it’s a contract. And signing a contract without an explicit definition of terms and conditions is just foolish.

    Nothing prevents the romantics from engaging in a purely religious/spiritual ritual, of course, which could be free of such concerns. And as long as they don’t want the legal benefits that come with a civil marriage, they’re free to do that. But you can’t have it both ways.

    (This, by the way, is one avenue for resolving the gay-marriage issue: simply acknowledge that ‘civil unions’ are a legal/governmental contract apart from any religious significance, into which any two consenting adults can enter whenever they want. No church would be forced to perform a “marriage” ceremony that doesn’t comport with their beliefs, but the legal status of union would still carry all the benefits, rights, and responsibilities that come with it.)

    By Tim

    March 13, 2006 08:44 AM | Link to this

    First… Diane… AMEN Sistah!! U go Gurl

    Second… if I were actually able to get married I would have a pre-nup… sorry I’m a realist… things happen and people change… if someone takes that to mean that I’m not really in love or my relationship won’t last… oh well… at least I wouldn’t have to worry about someone trying to take what is rightfully mine… my partner and I agree on this… he has no business with any inheritance that I may receive from my family and vice versa

    By Elane

    March 13, 2006 08:44 AM | Link to this

    Financial expert Suze Orman puts it very well when she recommends prenups. She says no one goes into a marriage feeling self-protective, but no one leaves a marriage not feeling that way. I do not believe that prenups set the stage for mistrust or deception that lead to divorce. Rather, it serves as “informed consent,” much like what patients go through before surgery. This way, you don’t come out of the anesthesia years later wondering where your arm & leg went.

    By Renee

    March 13, 2006 08:50 AM | Link to this

    Hey Tim. Long time no see.

    I think if I have a substantial family inheritance, my wife (partner), would absolutely be entitled to it. Me walking into a marriage would mean no more, mine is mine, yours is yours. Everything becomes collectively ours. We just received an inheritance, or whatever the case may be.

    I see I stand alone in my beliefs, but oh well lol.

    By Nikita

    March 13, 2006 08:51 AM | Link to this

    Yeah, whatever, to Shaunti. I don’t have a prenup — but because my lawyer and I discussed it, and according to him my existing assets at the time of the marriage are relatively well protected under Georgia law. It’s unlikely they’d be at issue during divorce proceedings. Had I felt that wasn’t the case, then there would’ve been paperwork.

    Marriage is a union in many, many ways. However, it’s not carte blanche, IMHO, for one spouse to raid the assets of the other. So, when one spouse has far more assets than the other, or when one spouse has far more obligations than the other, a prenuptial may be a good idea. Not only because it protects one in the dissolution of a marriage, but because it engenders a healthy discussion about goals, achievements, bling, etc., within the couple.

    Fo shizzle.

    By The72John

    March 13, 2006 08:59 AM | Link to this

    Going to be a busy day, so I’ll quickly comment.

    The group of people who are going to be considering pre-nups are probably going to be working professionals. Those people are waiting longer to get married; in fact many of them don’t get married until careers are established.

    In the past, young couples got married earlier, before starting out. Whatever property was accumulated was part of a joint venture, whether both or only one spouse worked outside the home. Now, there is substantial PRE-marriage property involved. Doesn’t it only make sense to act to protect that property?

    I mean, no one goes in to a marriage planning on divorce, but we all know they happen with regularity. While Pollyanna-Shaunti continues to live in her 1950’s daze, the rest of the world has changed.

    By chuck

    March 13, 2006 09:01 AM | Link to this

    Gay people can do RIGHT NOW through contracts, powers of attorney, living wills, etc. anything that could be done through a civil union. There is no LEGAL reason that would prevent them from having their “partner” from ACTING as a spouse now. Allowing civil unions would not change that. The “civil unions” issue is nothing more than an attempt to legitimize what most Americans think is unnatural and would put us on the road to social destruction. After the gay marriage law was passed in Massachusetts, a CBS poll found that:

    Some 61 percent of respondents in a CBS News/New York Times poll said they were against gay marriage, up from 55 percent in July, and only 34 percent said they favor gay marriage, down from 40 percent five months ago.

    This not something we need or want.

    By Paul

    March 13, 2006 09:03 AM | Link to this

    Guys definitely need a pre nup. Do you want to give up 1/2 of everything you work for? We always get the shaft in divorce court so why make it easier to get fleeced? Be smart guys. Do a pre nup to save yourself a bunch of money.

    By Nikita

    March 13, 2006 09:03 AM | Link to this

    Renee, my spouse would be entitled to my assets with my consent as long as we’re married. When he goes out, however, he goes out with his share of the assets earned during the duration of the marriage — not half of my college fund, retirement fund, stocks, and inheritance gained before the marriage. Which is as it should be.

    By Tim

    March 13, 2006 09:04 AM | Link to this

    Renee… hey there… these people are expecting me to work!!! uggg… so not a lot of time to check the blog out

    I do respect your opinion… but for me… I personally think that something my family worked hard for is entitled to me… if I am with someone obviously I would share that… but if for some reason we split up I don’t believe that person is entitled to what my family worked hard to provide me… this is a firm belief throughout my family… it is written in almost every will that if the child dies then the money goes to the children not the spouse… for example… with my grandparents… if my dad dies… his cut doesn’t go to my step-mother it goes to my dad’s children (I think that may just be because they dont like my step-mom… lol… but that’s a whole other story)

    By FatMoose

    March 13, 2006 09:07 AM | Link to this

    Prenups get a thimbs up from me.

    If my partner is in it for life, then it won’t matter to her.

    But if she calls it a deal breaker, is that not saying “Your love and support is not enough?” And that, “she wants the security of knowing there is a moniary payoff in case this does not work?”

    Seems like a pretty shallow position for someone to have.

    By Mara

    March 13, 2006 09:16 AM | Link to this

    I gotta ask…what is up with Diane? I personally find her “hip, urban” word usage annoying and distracting. Next thing you know, she’ll be using “text” shorthand like a 12 yr old.
    As for pre-nups…each to his/her own. Some people feel more secure knowing that even if things don’t end up “forever” that they won’t be left financially worse off. Some find it insulting that the person they love would even consider that the relationship may not last.

    If you are surprised that your intended wants a prenup, or conversly, that your intended finds the offensive…maybe the two of you don’t know each other as well as you think, and maybe you should have a talk about things like financial philosophy (saver vs spender..), investing, and the future.

    By UpChuck

    March 13, 2006 09:20 AM | Link to this

    and would put us on the road to social destruction

    O RLY?

    How?

    By kimberly

    March 13, 2006 09:23 AM | Link to this

    Hey Tim! If you were actually able to get married, I would SOOOO love to be invited, congratulate you and yours, buy you some nice cookware, take pictures of the love and happiness, and send them to Chuck so that he might know what happy faces look like.

    That being said, I shall never marry again, if for no other reason than to pre-empt any need to hire an attorney.

    By Renee

    March 13, 2006 09:26 AM | Link to this

    Tim, you do have a point on the inheritance. In the event that the marriage does dissolve, the other partner should not be able to walk away with the first partner’s family inheritance.

    I think it goes into knowing who you are marrying, and not rushing into anything. Making sure you are in love and that you share the same moral values and ways of thinking as your spouse. One way you can look as marriage is a legal contract, but it should be looked at as a lifetime commitment.

    Chuck, I think you have beaten the record. Blog opened up at 7:00 am and by 9:01 it’s on to the beginnings of gay bashing. Congrats!

    By Tim

    March 13, 2006 09:27 AM | Link to this

    kimberly… if we ever get married… you’ll be one of the first to know :)

    By FatMoose

    March 13, 2006 09:30 AM | Link to this

    Mara, I gotta ask…what is up with Diane? I personally find her “hip, urban” word usage annoying and distracting.

    Yeah - as stated in the rebuttle “Off the chain???” I am not the most hip guy, but isnt it “Off the hook…”

    Funny upper-mid cass white people!

    I agree with the rest of your post also.

    I have a question, for anyone that cares to field it: I have notice the term wigger (the joining of white and a racist term) used on prime time TV this weekend and it seems that it is becoming acceptable.

    Any black folk have a position on this? (FYI - all the times I heard it, it was being said by a black person to a white person.)

    By FatMoose

    March 13, 2006 09:33 AM | Link to this

    I shall never marry again, if for no other reason than to pre-empt any need to hire an attorney.

    Ditto;)

    By Renee

    March 13, 2006 09:37 AM | Link to this

    Off the chain is correct, as is off the hook.

    By The72John

    March 13, 2006 09:41 AM | Link to this

    Diane’s not THAT hip…

    Off-the-chain = something really good, i.e. That cheesecake was off the chain!

    By Jack

    March 13, 2006 09:42 AM | Link to this

    Hi Kim. :)

    If I was given a pre-nup by my fiance to sign as a requirement for marriage I would tell them to put it where the sun doesn’t shine. If the love is real, no pre-nup should be required.

    By FatMoose

    March 13, 2006 09:43 AM | Link to this

    Off the chain is correct, as is off the hook.

    Good - It is one thing for a person to look like a idiot for using slang that they are out of touch with - and quite another level of stupidity do that and get it wrong;)

    By Tim

    March 13, 2006 09:47 AM | Link to this

    it started as off the hook… now off the chain is used more regularly (said the white boy)

    By Randy

    March 13, 2006 09:48 AM | Link to this

    Marriage is based on TRUST. Our human nature doesn’t trust business transactions, we do them out of necessity and ambition. The way I see it, anyone who insists on a prenup before marriage is saying money is more important to me that your love. A formula for disaster.

    By Patrick

    March 13, 2006 09:51 AM | Link to this

    I never considered a prenup. I might if I had millions and she didn’t, or if we both had millions. Otherwise, IMHO, a prenup just sends the wrong message.

    By Jack

    March 13, 2006 09:52 AM | Link to this

    Wow. Randy and I agree on something. (Is the sky falling?)

    By Nikita

    March 13, 2006 09:55 AM | Link to this

    No, Randy — merely that if the relationship breaks up, you can’t steal the money I earned or gained before any association with you.

    For the record, though, if my lawyer is correct then prenups aren’t necessary for most people.

    By Renee

    March 13, 2006 09:56 AM | Link to this

    Jack, I was just thinking the same thing. Scary, scary.

    By Justin

    March 13, 2006 09:59 AM | Link to this

    Most of the people against prenuptials are women. They have the most to gain during a divorce. I think a prenup should be required in every marriage.

    By Justin

    March 13, 2006 10:02 AM | Link to this

    And, in this day of divorce, if you are entering a second marriage, whether male of female, you need a prenuptial agreement. The second wife of a divorced man needs a prenup to keep the ex-wife’s hands off her assets. The same with the second husband of a previously married woman. You may not want your assets to go to your stepchildren but to other relatives. The more divorces involved the more complicated marriage becomes. Most people are on their second marriages anyway.

    By kimberly

    March 13, 2006 10:03 AM | Link to this

    Signing a marriage license doesn’t make the marriage “real” because at least one person in half of all couples walks away from the marriage. So how could signing a pre-nup make it “less real?” It’s ALREADY less real than the stupid ideal upon which it’s based. HELLO? Smart folks listen to Suzie Ormond.

    By FatMoose

    March 13, 2006 10:03 AM | Link to this

    The way I see it, anyone who insists on a prenup before marriage is saying money is more important to me that your love.

    How is refusing marriage bc a prenup is presented ANY different?

    You are saying - if we DO get a divorce, I expect a share of YOUR $$$.

    And the premise “You do not go into a marriage expecting it to fail” happens in all the failed marriages as well as successful ones; therefore, it is only a nice - but meaningless - gesture.

    A positive/meaningful gesture would be “You know honey - I am in it for life - and therefore am happy to sign this prenup.”

    By Mara

    March 13, 2006 10:07 AM | Link to this

    FM- LOL regarding the upper middle class white folk trying to be “fresh” with their bad, bad selves. Sheesh. Even if Diane talks this way, why, oh why would her editor let her write this way?

    72John - off topic…that “die, heretic, die” joke from Friday has to be one of the best jokes I’ve ever read in a long time. I laughed my you-know-what off while forwarding it to every idiot who sent me that stupid Andy Rooney thing that ended with “…tell the other 14% to sit down and shut up!” If you don’t know what I’m talking about, count yourself lucky to have missed it.

    By FatMoose

    March 13, 2006 10:07 AM | Link to this

    Justin,

    I think a prenup should be required in every marriage.

    I agree - that way it is not an issue and people can always “give” their money away if they want…

    By Justin

    March 13, 2006 10:09 AM | Link to this

    Most women don’t have to give up their assets so getting their male spouse to sign a prenup is worthless. Men are the ones who need to get women to sign one.

    By Jack

    March 13, 2006 10:10 AM | Link to this

    A positive/meaningful gesture would be “You know honey - I am in it for life - and therefore am happy to say a prenup is not needed.

    By kimberly

    March 13, 2006 10:20 AM | Link to this

    Justin, your comments are based on outdated trends. Perhaps YOU or men you know experienced a divorce that took you to the cleaners, but this is not the standard anymore. Plenty of women earn more than their husbands, and plenty of husbands bail on their responsibilities and demand assests or support upon dissolution of the marriage.

    And Justin, TRUST ME on this one: A single woman with means and money attracts LOTS of men who have neither, but who deliver a right smooth line. It’s not just men who get “taken” anymore, so get over it, please.

    By RF

    March 13, 2006 10:20 AM | Link to this

    Renee- here’s on for ya to think about. I worked with a guy who was married for YEARS. He and his wife bought a house in Florida to retire to and all of a sudden, she’s basically moved down there. Then he finds out she’s boinking the pool guy and she sues for divorce. Would you believe the judge gave her half the marital assets, including his retirement income??? He had to pay her half of that also, even though she and the pool guy ended up married and living in the Florida house. It was automatic that she got half regardless of the fact that she was the one who broke up the marriage. Until we work out the kinks in the divorce law and property settlement bias towards women, I wouldn’t think badly of a couple having a prenup,just in case. You think all those years into it that ‘it won’t happen to us’, but it does.

    By Renee

    March 13, 2006 10:21 AM | Link to this

    A positive/meaningful gesture would be “You know honey - I am in it for life - and therefore am happy to sign this prenup.”

    Yeah, positive/meaningful for the individual who wants it signed.

    In my opinion, and maybe in a more realistic world, money should be the last thing taken into account when marrying. One person’s net worth being the important factor that every one is signing off on, is not, or should not be the issue at hand.

    As Kimberly indicated, signing the marriage license doesn’t necessarily mean anything, so maybe we should go back to basics. Don’t sign the marriage license unless you are 100% committed, willing to give 100% of yourself, no cheating, no lying etc… Isn’t the commitment what’s important? The love???

    By RF

    March 13, 2006 10:28 AM | Link to this

    Some of the most awful divorces I’ve seen have been with couples who were absolutely 100% sure about the commitment. “Life is what happens while you plan for something else” I read once, and even if the commitment is real, it can change. Stuff happens that you never know how to handle until you get there.

    By Renee

    March 13, 2006 10:30 AM | Link to this

    RF - I know situations like that do happen, and even worse. To women and to men. Divorce is an ugly situation, no matter how you prepare for it. Personally, I don’t think the spouse responsible for the dissolution of the marriage should be awarded anything. If you went against your marriage vows, you pay the cost. Having said that, I still do not agree with prenups.

    By Tim

    March 13, 2006 10:33 AM | Link to this

    Renee… I agree you shouldn’t sign unless you’re 100% committed… the problem is that there are two people invovled… and things and people change… just b/c I’m in it for the long haul I still want my insurance

    food for thought… would you rather be acused of being a gold digga or be acused of messin with some broke jigga (I know that’s not for word from the song… fyi)… I say call me a gold digga!

    By Renee

    March 13, 2006 10:35 AM | Link to this

    If two people get married and one person cheats, one person was not 100% committed.

    If financial problems makes one want to leave the marriage, that is not 100% commitment.

    If one becomes deathly ill, or paralyzed, and that’s too much for the other spouse, that is not 100% committment.

    Generally speaking, and I’m sure there are exceptions to any rule, if the marriage dissolves, there was a lack of committment in some form or another. Marriage is til death do you part, thru sickness and thru health, thru good and bad times, regardless of crazy in laws, money problems etc…

    By Jack

    March 13, 2006 10:38 AM | Link to this

    “Plenty of women earn more than their husbands, and plenty of husbands bail on their responsibilities and demand assests or support upon dissolution of the marriage.”

    Husbands that do that are not real men.

    By FatMoose

    March 13, 2006 10:42 AM | Link to this

    Don’t sign the marriage license unless you are 100% committed, willing to give 100% of yourself, no cheating, no lying etc… Isn’t the commitment what’s important? The love???

    Every relationship - from good to bad - starts with that notion. The problem is that humans are EXREMELY failable with this to the point of divorce occuring somewhere around 50% of the time.

    So, as Dr. Phil would say: “Hows that working for you america?”

    By Mara

    March 13, 2006 10:43 AM | Link to this

    Jack, which part makes one not a “real” man? The part where the woman makes more, the bailing on responsibility, or the demand of assets, or support after divorce? And exactly what makes one man “real” and another “fake”?

    By Jack

    March 13, 2006 10:52 AM | Link to this

    Hi Mara. A real man would not need to get money from his ex. He should make it himself.

    A real man’s wife can make more. No problem with that as long as he keeps his hands off of it in a divorce.

    By FatMoose

    March 13, 2006 10:53 AM | Link to this

    Real man my a$$.

    PEOPLE are childish, and should be expected in general to act that way (getting themselves into unforeseen responsibilities and bailing, not doing the grown-up homework we have, not being consistant over the long haul…).

    Just look on this blog - there is not a single person that has acted like a child in certain situations. If your notions worked, we could all keep PLANNING on being civil during debate - and that would be enough.

    So to expect a person to be the ideal, including yourself, as some are on here state is the way to go is just plain ignorant.

    By Mara

    March 13, 2006 10:53 AM | Link to this

    Okay LOL! And exactly what makes one man “real” and another “fake”? Let me qualify that by adding “other than the obvious…”

    By Diane Glass

    March 13, 2006 10:54 AM | Link to this

    Some of you need to chill. Know what I’m saying? ;-) I’m using an alternative story form to convey my message. I use legalese when I’m writing in the voice of a lawyer and slang when I’m conveying the voice of the people on the street ( = reality). Off-the-chain has a lot of different meanings. Unless someone can find it in the Webster dictionary, urbandictionary.com has a host of definitions. Check out #10. You should cut me a little slack folks … my creativity is for your entertainment … my apologies, more slang. :-)

    BTW, I live on the south side of town, not in Alpharetta.

    By Archie

    March 13, 2006 10:56 AM | Link to this

    Although I do not have a prenup agreement I would have obtained one if I had the assets of a major executive or an athlete or an entertainer or even the assets of a smart businessman. Marriage is good but it is tough these days and people are marrying later than they did years ago and I have known folk to have to give up half of the pension that they worked 20 years to accumulate and these people are women. Since the focus on equal rights for women over the years women have had to go through the same things as men when they have more assets than men. I think Shanti is in fantasy land. Men and women don’t relate they way they used to. Diane’s use of slang is distracting but I agree way more with her than I do Shanti. RF’s 10:28 post makes a good point.

    By Renee

    March 13, 2006 10:56 AM | Link to this

    Every relationship - from good to bad - starts with that notion. The problem is that humans are EXREMELY failable with this to the point of divorce occuring somewhere around 50% of the time.

    Maybe “starting with the notion” would be the problem. You shouldn’t be starting a marriage, with a “notion” of being committed. Additionally, a relationship is quite different from a marriage.

    By FatMoose

    March 13, 2006 10:57 AM | Link to this

    A real man would not need to get money from his ex. He should make it himself.

    A real man’s wife can make more. No problem with that as long as he keeps his hands off of it in a divorce.

    Talk about outdated concepts!

    By Jack

    March 13, 2006 10:59 AM | Link to this

    FM. IMO no man worth a s—t would try to get money from his ex. Would you try to get money from your ex? Can’t make it yourself?

    By Jack

    March 13, 2006 11:03 AM | Link to this

    Talk about outdated concepts!

    Maybe so.

    By FatMoose

    March 13, 2006 11:07 AM | Link to this

    IMO no man worth a s—t would try to get money from his ex. Would you try to get money from your ex? Can’t make it yourself?

    Such a oldschool sexist question realy deserves no reply - the converse would offend women greatly; As it should.

    By FatMoose

    March 13, 2006 11:10 AM | Link to this

    Additionally, a relationship is quite different from a marriage.

    Um - before it is a marriage, you make all these promises durring a…relationship.

    Sorry I did not make that clearer, here: “Every marriage - from good to bad - starts with that notion. The problem is that humans are EXREMELY failable with this to the point of divorce occuring somewhere around 50% of the time.

    By kimberly

    March 13, 2006 11:14 AM | Link to this

    Jack, chivalry dies with you, Dear. Please exercise and eat cholesterol-lowering foods. As you are taken, unmarried American women are left with the perpetual choice between the lesser of evils.

    Diane, I’m with you. My friends are annoyed when I answer the phone “Yo, Dog” and the kids find it annoying when I can rap the lyrics to their favorite nasty “songs.” To all of them, I say: Yo! Ease up out my face, ‘fore somethin bad happen to ya. Party in the crib. Holla. {;->

    By Renee

    March 13, 2006 11:15 AM | Link to this

    So to expect a person to be the ideal, including yourself, as some are on here state is the way to go is just plain ignorant.

    I’m assuming this is directed towards me. I fail to see the ignorance in expecting the best from someone. As far as people’s behavior on the blog, once again, I don’t think this equates to a couples behavior in a marriage. I have every right, when dealing with my mate, to expect the “ideal”. The way I speak on here, would not be how I go home and speak to my partner. I wouldn’t expect the understanding on here I expect from my partner. And I wouldn’t expect people to speak to me on here, in a manner in which only my partner would speak to me, whether good or bad.

    To tell someone their personal or even collective expectations are ignorant, is pretty condescending, to say the least.

    By Renee

    March 13, 2006 11:16 AM | Link to this

    LOL Kimberly…too funny.

    By Jack

    March 13, 2006 11:21 AM | Link to this

    So in other words you aren’t worth a s—t?

    By Mara

    March 13, 2006 11:23 AM | Link to this

    Jack, so what you are saying is that even in cases where the wife supports the family (like any real man would let his wife support him!!) and the man cares for the family, he shouldn’t ask for his rightful share of familial assets because it would make him some kind of pseudo-man? An economic eunich, if you will?

    By Jack K

    March 13, 2006 11:24 AM | Link to this

    I see why Kimberly isn’t getting many WHITE men to date her. LOL!

    Why can’t white people speak like white people and use proper English these days?

    Yo Homee, what up dog, let’s stop talkin’ dis trash…ya’ dig?

    By Renee

    March 13, 2006 11:27 AM | Link to this

    I’ve had a lot of relationships where I made a lot of promises, none of which matters now. My vows that I took, my signature on paper, the ring on my finger, is all that matters any more.

    When I was in a relationship with my partner, I promised to love her unconditionally. While I meant that at the time, I could back away from that promise as I saw fit. Now that we have married, I have vowed to love her unconditionally, and there is no backing away from that.

    By Jack K

    March 13, 2006 11:27 AM | Link to this

    For the record, it was a joke Kim. Didn’t mean to offend. Just joking around. (I hope you can take a joke.)

    By Renee

    March 13, 2006 11:28 AM | Link to this

    What the hell is talking like a white person???? Jack K.??? What is talking like a black person?????

    what is up with your entire comment????????

    By Jack

    March 13, 2006 11:29 AM | Link to this

    Mara. Exactly.

    By Jack

    March 13, 2006 11:32 AM | Link to this

    There should be no black and white on the blog. We get enough of that thru our great media in this town.

    By kimberly

    March 13, 2006 11:32 AM | Link to this

    Jack K, my use of casual slang is primarily limted to casual, playful conversation with those closest to me. Believe me, if I want to make a point or provide pertinent information to a pinhead, I shall utilize a formal tone with well-selected verbiage.

    That being said, you have no knowledge of whom I date; to purport such is egregious. Step off.

    By Mara

    March 13, 2006 11:34 AM | Link to this

    Jack K - WTF!!?? “speak like white people”? So no other race but white folk “use proper english”? I’m white and I try to use “proper” english in my everyday life, but dude…this was pretty darn offensive, even for you.

    By FatMoose

    March 13, 2006 11:34 AM | Link to this

    I love the paradox of behavour on here:

    To tell someone their personal or even collective expectations are ignorant, is pretty condescending, to say the least.

    But to say So in other words you aren’t worth a s—t? is acceptable.

    Ummmkay - I agree then. If for no other reason than to exit the insanity.

    A guy (that is the situation you two keep pressing - a male vs female one) should be the bread winner and if not - he should expect nothing at divorce. And a woman should be a homekeeper; but if she does get a job, her money is hers - and remains that way at divorce.

    Welcome back to the old school.

    By Jack K

    March 13, 2006 11:35 AM | Link to this

    Rennee- this slang comes from the black rap artists. Now everyone wants to speak this slang to try to sound “cool”. I was talking about everyone wanting to sound (not to mention dress) like a rapper.

    I didn’t mean it to be a racial issue. I was talking about people mimicking black rap artists. That’s all I meant. I did not mean that all black people speak in that manner-of course not.

    By Mara

    March 13, 2006 11:37 AM | Link to this

    Sorry Jack-with-no-K, I just don’t get your viewpoint. Does a woman who put her career on hold for the sake of her family have a greater right to ask for equal division of assets than a man who’s done the same? Does asking for this division make her less of a woman?

    By Jack K

    March 13, 2006 11:40 AM | Link to this

    What I meant to say is “why does everyone want to speak like a rap artist”.

    Please forget the talk like white people remark. It did not come out the way I intended it to. Sorry.

    By Chilao

    March 13, 2006 11:40 AM | Link to this

    Diane - my Hall/Rabun county remark was directed at Shaunti, why I figured she would have to ask about off the chain. Thanks for introducing her to urbandictionary. LOL I always think of a loose pit bull when I hear that slang term. But thave never looked it up there.

    By Renee

    March 13, 2006 11:41 AM | Link to this

    But to say So in other words you aren’t worth a s—t? is acceptable.

    Ummmm….I don’t recall making that comment. If you are speaking of Jack making that comment, and my acceptance of it, he wasn’t debating with me per se, so I neither found it acceptable or not acceptable. If you found it to be offensive, you should take it up with the person who said it, as I found your statement condescending, hence I took that up with you.

    By Jack

    March 13, 2006 11:41 AM | Link to this

    I never said a woman should be a homekeeper. Don’t put words in my mouth nimrod.

    By Chilao

    March 13, 2006 11:45 AM | Link to this

    Any man who gets alimony after a divorce ought to be ashamed of himself. I have known well whoever I may have been married to, before marriage, to know that a prenup was not necessary. If they were the alimony-seeking type, we would probably not have been in even a relationship.

    sorry if my to-Diane remark shows up as a duplicate.

    By Jack

    March 13, 2006 11:45 AM | Link to this

    Mara. Yes and no. Sorry, I AM from the old school.

    By Renee

    March 13, 2006 11:46 AM | Link to this

    Ummm….maybe it comes from just RAP artists. Last time I checked (and I’m quite up to date on hip hop) the WHITE rap artists don’t speak like Harvard Graduates, when they rap (and Eminem is NOT the only white rapper. The manner of speaking is hip hop, the music is hip hop. It’s called dialect, which is used among people during certain situations, both black and white. Oh, the LATIN rappers speak the same way, when they are rapping in English.

    By FatMoose

    March 13, 2006 11:47 AM | Link to this

    Don’t put words in my mouth nimrod.

    And name calling!

    Yes! - a bunch of adults!

    You cannot refrain from calling names, but have the wisdom to be a real man/;

    By Boscoe

    March 13, 2006 11:48 AM | Link to this

    Nimrod was actually worshipped in ancient Babylon. This is of course before the Catholic Church took over as the new Babylon.

    By Mara

    March 13, 2006 11:53 AM | Link to this

    Jack, to which “nimrod” were you refering?

    By kimberly

    March 13, 2006 11:57 AM | Link to this

    Inherent in “old school,” traditionally, was a little thing called “honor.” Not everyone in the “old school” was honorable, though, which may have led to the decline, and inevitable extinction, of the institution.

    If there’s anything missing in our “new school,” it’s HONOR. The concept is so outdated, many of us have to stop and think about what that even means. “The Death of Honor” Is that a book already? If not, I think I’ll write it.

    By Jack K

    March 13, 2006 11:58 AM | Link to this

    OK, so the white rappers (all 2 of them) and the Latin rappers are all trying to speak like the black rappers who started it all. (Sorry, I meant hip-hoppers…I think.)

    Certain black people began this slang-the black rappers/hip hoppers. Why do people want to speak like them anyway?

    Enough with the black and white issues. Never should have used those words. Sorry.

    By Mara

    March 13, 2006 11:58 AM | Link to this

    so, just to make sure I have this right….

    there is never a divorce situation where a “real” man should be entitled (or expected) to ask for an equal distribution of marital assets?

    honestly, I’m bewildered by this view. But then, I’m a “equal rights for all” feminist, so maybe it’s not so strange.

    By Julia

    March 13, 2006 12:00 PM | Link to this

    Jack is a rare breed indeed. If only there were more men like him in this world. ;)

    We love ya Jack!

    By FatMoose

    March 13, 2006 12:00 PM | Link to this

    Is marriage not a contract that, by default, says your $ is now our $? Was marriage not origanly ALL about money and it still follows that line of reasoning? Once again - it is a contract that speaks about the rights of $$ and property - not how much love they have for each other.

    Meaning that by default it is based on $$$.

    Vows cover the parts you all want to argue - but have no leagal standing. Furthermore, the vows are not anywhere in a marriage license from what I have seen - otherwise some of you may have an arguement.

    By Jack

    March 13, 2006 12:01 PM | Link to this

    Mara. That was directed to FM. Sounded better than Dimwit.

    By John C. Snider

    March 13, 2006 12:04 PM | Link to this

    Good grief, Diane, did you pull out an (lame) Ebonics dictionary for this column?

    “Women aren’t down with the fantasy-rap…” “The number of working moms is off-the-chain.” “They deserve some props.” “And since when is having some bling all about men?”

    Enough with the shiznit! Pop a cap in the manizzle! Or whatever.

    By Justin

    March 13, 2006 12:06 PM | Link to this

    Kimberly, What planet are you from? Women have the upper hand in a divorce whether they make less or more money than their husband. It doesn’t matter if the woman was the partner at fault, she will still walk away with the bulk of the assets. Only if a man has the financial resources to continually fight her in court, will she maybe just walk away with 40%.

    If a man must marry…he should not tarry…with the signing of a prenup!

    By Jack

    March 13, 2006 12:09 PM | Link to this

    Mara. No he should not. I can agree to disagree. There are exceptions to everything.

    By Mara

    March 13, 2006 12:12 PM | Link to this

    JCS - LMAO re Enough with the shiznit! Pop a cap in the manizzle! Or whatever

    By Jack

    March 13, 2006 12:13 PM | Link to this

    Thank you Julia and Kim for the nice comments. :)

    By Mara

    March 13, 2006 12:14 PM | Link to this

    I’m glad we can disagree amicably Jack. But can you articulate why a mans income is “theirs”, but a womans is “hers”?

    By FatMoose

    March 13, 2006 12:18 PM | Link to this

    There are exceptions to everything.

    You will promote absolute social rules that determine someone a sh!t based on machismo, although you know that there are (a growing number of) exceptions.

    How is this not the epidomy of willfull ignorance?

    By Mike

    March 13, 2006 12:19 PM | Link to this

    A man would be a fool to marry Diane or any other woman that believes in that nonsense.

    By kimberly

    March 13, 2006 12:21 PM | Link to this

    Justin, my comments come from (1) my experience, and (2) the experiences of MOST of my friends who are divorced. I was happy to walk away from an abusive husband, and as such, walked away with ZIP just to get him to sign and leave me alone. I often hear bitter men rant on and on about the injustice, but I don’t have a single friend who took her deadbeat husband to the cleaners — quite the opposite mostly. Also know from EXPERIENCE that a woman with a job and a savings account is a target for deadbeat Romeos, which abound in modern society.

    So if you want to quote some reliable sources for your blatant sexism, dated AFTER 1990, then please enlighten us. Forty percent? REALLY?

    By FatMoose

    March 13, 2006 12:21 PM | Link to this

    Let me know what you guys get past the “girl vs boy” stage.

    By RF

    March 13, 2006 12:31 PM | Link to this

    Mara- Jack grew up like a lot of us where dad was the breadwinner, mom the housewife. Men had the assets and income potential. If you think about it, it’s really only been since the 80’s that women began really moving into high income jobs on a regular basis. A man raised with the values Jack has would feel completely out of place asking for alimony. It was always the case that the wife needed the post-marital income from the ex. That wasn’t an option a generation ago. Now it is, but most men wouldn’t feel masculine enough asking for it. Quirky guy thing, you know?

    By Justin

    March 13, 2006 12:33 PM | Link to this

    Kimberly, you had the advantage, just because you chose not to use doesn’t mean it isn’t so…

    By E. Lewis

    March 13, 2006 12:34 PM | Link to this

    Marriage is a contract. The love, sex, property and babies can all take place without the ceremony.

    That said, I am not the world’s biggest fan of prenuptial agreements. Too often they are totally skewed in favor of the more “powerful” partner. Of course they can also be a way of finding out what your partner really thinks of your relationship. I’ve heard of some prenups that were real doozies quickly letting the fiancé know what type of freak/jerk they were marrying.

    Prenups are also not the end all and be all of existence. If you or your partner have a lot of property and have a bad track record with relationships, then an agreement might be the thing for you, but remember that nothing is ever written in stone. You can’t bypass existing laws and simply because it’s in the prenup doesn’t mean it would stand up in court.

    By Peter Hoover

    March 13, 2006 12:35 PM | Link to this

    First of all, marriage is a business contract. Period. Men think that way when the state family laws are so gender biased against men that they had to protect themselves. Women themselves admit when they want a man, they want one with financial stability! Why? So they do not have to worry about living in a lower economic situation than they feel they deserve, and they usually demand the best of everything. So they have already put a price or value on a suitable mate. But they also have that insurance that when they divorce him, they get to get a chunk of his worth – even though she is fully capable of working.

    I lost everything in my first divorce – house, home and eventually my job. And the reason we divorced was because of her repeated infidelity. My second marriage began, but I already owned my own home, two cars all the furniture and the belongings in the house. I told my second wife I didn’t want to have more children, and I thought she understood that. It was nothing about love here- she just wanted someone to be a father for her kids, and he constantly argued about it. Needless to say, the marriage didn’t last, and she didn’t get anything. On the contrary, if marriage is considered a business contract, I should have counter sued for marriage under false pretenses – because she never believed that I didn’t want more children.

    Three weeks after she left, she got pregnant. She’s happy, I am happy and we are good friends. The pre-nup that she signed held. She never wanted a husband, just a sperm donor. If we had had kids, I would be paying some alimony, chilld support plus how much of my worth would the judge have given her?

    The argument the woman makes is, “If you really loved me, you would think of asking me to sign this”. My thinking is, “If you really loved me and understood where I have been before with divorce, you would sign it.”

    Sorry ladies, don’t be parasites on your men. You have every opportunity for success that men do. And I am frankly tired of the whining and excuse making women make to validate taking half a man’s worth when they divorce.

    By Justin

    March 13, 2006 12:41 PM | Link to this

    Kimberly, the way the deadbeat romeos move into a woman’s life is they “pretend” to have means which attracts the women. That is why most of them pretend to be physicians or have another lucrative profession. The women think their investment will pay off big.

    By kimberly

    March 13, 2006 12:43 PM | Link to this

    Justin, getting a court order and actually getting the money are two different things. Getting one is easy; getting the other is often a wasted effort. Nonetheless, I AGREED with you about the pre-nup, so I don’t know what your problem is, although if I had to guess, you had a bad divorce and you’re angry and bitter about the drop in your bank account. Welcome to the world. Don’t want another divorce? Don’t get married! Problem solved. Dry your tears and move ON already like the rest of us.

    By Justin

    March 13, 2006 12:44 PM | Link to this

    Peter Hoover, Man, you speak the truth! I am also tired of all the whining and excuses.

    By Justin

    March 13, 2006 12:47 PM | Link to this

    www.concreteloop.com/archives/ 2006/02/moreonthatlourawls_drama.html

    By Jack

    March 13, 2006 12:48 PM | Link to this

    RF. You hit the nail on the head.

    By Jack

    March 13, 2006 12:53 PM | Link to this

    Red Skelton said; The number one cause of divorce is marriage.

    By Chilao

    March 13, 2006 12:55 PM | Link to this

    I got married once just to BUY property, it looks better on the loan app and is an easier loan to apply for. LMAO

    and we split sale proceeds 50/50, no prenupt required.

    By Ken

    March 13, 2006 12:56 PM | Link to this

    I love the banter about who has the upper hand in divorce b/c NOONE has the upper hand in divorce. In most cases, both parties lose.

    If people feel like they need a prenup, then get a prenup. It’s really not that big of a deal.

    Personally, I have that much $$$ so I was never worried about it, but, I also would never marry someone if I had the inkling that I would need a prenup. Perhaps if people spent as much time analyzing their spouse as they do their job or the stock market, they would feel the same way.

    By Mara

    March 13, 2006 12:56 PM | Link to this

    thanks for explaining RF. My point of referance never included this mindset. Both my parents worked for as long as I could remember and both their paychecks went to sustain the family, so I never had the dicotomy. We children (all six of us…) were expected to rotate chores, which blurred gender lines. We all were expected to take our turns with house work and yard work. My parents never had sex differentiated roles. Mom could change the oil in the car as well as my dad, and Dad made the best homemade donuts I’ve ever tasted. There was never any “mans place” or “womans work” in our house. Maybe that’s why I have such a hard time relating to this.

    By Justin

    March 13, 2006 12:57 PM | Link to this

    Men should ask for alimony, etc. when the woman has more money regardless of tradition. Maybe that will equal out the scales of justice.

    By Jack

    March 13, 2006 12:58 PM | Link to this

    whining and excuses? On this blog?

    By Justin

    March 13, 2006 01:01 PM | Link to this

    I know a woman who is going through a divorce now. She has only been married to her husband for four years but wants half of everything. They don’t have any children. They are having marital difficulties due to her spending habits at Bloomingdale’s. She hasn’t worked through most of her marriage. She will find a job and then lose it much to the chagrin of her husband.

    By My Children Suffer

    March 13, 2006 01:02 PM | Link to this

    I didn’t want children, at least not soon. I wanted an education, a career, to keep some of my own identity after marriage.

    He begged and pleaded for them. How can you not fall for — I love you so much…I want something that is a part of us that we can love and nuture together. His Parents were relentless. I finally gave in. My education and career took the back burner. I tried finishing my education with two toddlers, but found it impossible. Six years, two children, stretch marks and 20 pounds that I can’t get rid of, later — I was “just not attractive to him anymore.” He was in love in with his co-worker — who was everything I thought I would be at 35 — successful, slim, attractive, educated, articulate, worldly, traveled, respected, even admired.

    I love my children and would not trade them for all of the things I dreamed I wanted to be.

    However, I BEGGED my husband to take them on a part-time basis after the divorce. I wanted to finish my education and have a better life for my children. Children belong with thier mother, I was told. He even tried to sign off his parental rights.

    He gives me nothing and complains about the scraps he does give me and HIS children — that HE wanted so badly.

    Even with kids, I got screwed. He got almost everything. He had been planning this for a long time and moved most of our finances. He sold our house — no, I didn’t get the house because I couldn’t afford the mortgage — and used the proceed to buy him and her a vacation home in Florida.

    I WISH we had a pre-nup!!

    By FatMoose

    March 13, 2006 01:03 PM | Link to this

    RF. You hit the nail on the head.

    Yes - there are a lot of cromagnons out there still. Remember, these are the men that brought you such great hits as “machismo” also known as: “I killed her because she damaged my honour.” And; I know women miss this as well as - “your place is in the home.” And the ever popular “I MAN you Woman, grunt grunt”

    By kimberly

    March 13, 2006 01:04 PM | Link to this

    I am also tired of all the whining and excuses.

    HAHAHAHAHA!

    Wah wah… boo hoo hoo… Mommmmmyyyyyyy! I got married and being married wasn’t fun anymore so I spent played golf and had a couple girlfriends, and I HAD to ‘cause she got fat, and I just can’t love a fat woman, and she just sat on her a— all day while I went to WORK and she only had to take care of kids and shop, and that other woman appreciated me for my manhood, and now we’re getting divorced and she wants half my money, and Mommmmmmmyyyyy, it’s NO FAIR and judge says I gotta pay her and then the lawyer wants $10K too and I’m just so MAD, Mommmmyyy can you fix it? NO FAIR! Wah wah wah wah wah!

    By Mara

    March 13, 2006 01:05 PM | Link to this

    Huh?! Women themselves admit when they want a man, they want one with financial stability! HAHAHAHAHAHA!! I’m sure my husband would laugh in your face if you ever tried to warn him about my supposedly parasitic nature.

    Peter, not every woman bases their relationship on the size of a mans wallet. You’re stereotyping all of us because you’ve (evidently) made some pretty bad choices on the women you’ve married.

    By Mara

    March 13, 2006 01:08 PM | Link to this

    kimberly - well said LMAO !!

    By Justin

    March 13, 2006 01:10 PM | Link to this

    This brings to mind a song by Louis Jordan…one of the kings of swing…

    Beware

    Hey, fellas, yes, you, fellas, listen to me, I got something to tell you And I want you to listen to every word and govern yourselves accordingly

    Now, you see these girls with these fine diamonds, fine furs and fine clothes Well, they’re looking for a husband and you’re listening to a man who knows They ain’t foolin’, and if you fool around with them You’re gonna get yourself in a schoolin’

    Listen, if she saves you dough, and won’t go to the show Beware If she’s easy to kiss and won’t resist Beware

    And if you go for a walk, and she listens while you talk She’s tryin’ to hook you

    And nobody’s lookin’ and she asks you to taste her cookin’ Don’t do it, don’t do it And if you go to a show and she wants to sit in the back row Bring her down front, bring her right down front

    If you wanna go for a snack, and she wants to sit in the booth in the back Beware

    And listen, if she’s used to caviar and fine silk When you go out with her she wanna a hot dog and a malted milk She’s trying to get you

    If you’re used to goin’ to carnegie hall, but when you take her out night clubing All she wants is one meatball You better take it easy

    If she grabs your hand and says, “darling, you’re such a nice man” Beware, I’m telling you

    (should I tell them no more?) (tell them everything)

    You better listen to me ‘cause i’m telling you what’s being put down You better pick up on it

    If her sister calls your brother, you better get further I’m telling you, you better watch it

    And if she’s acting kind of wild, and she says, “darling, give me a trial” Don’t you do it, don’t be weak, don’t give it to her And if she smiles in your face and just melts into place Let her melt, forget it, let her melt

    (should I tell them no more?) (tell them everything)

    Now listen, if she calls you up on the phone, and says, “darling, are you all alone?” Tell her, “no, no, I’ve got two, three women with me”

    Don’t pay no attention to women Stand up for your right, be a man, be a man

    (are you listening?) If you turn out the lights and she don’t fight That’s the end, it’s too late She’s got you hooked, you might as well stick with her

    (should I tell them no more?)

    If you get home about two and don’t know what to do You pull back the curtains, and the whole family’s looking at you Get your business straight Set the date, don’t be late

    Brother, beware, beware, beware Brother, you better beware

    By My Children Suffer

    March 13, 2006 01:13 PM | Link to this

    I once got enough child support — HEY THEY ARE HIS KIDS AS WELL SO DON’T FLAME ME FOR GETTING CHILD SUPPORT — to feed them and rent a small apartment. He and his girlfriend (both accountants) set up thier own consulting firm. She “owns” the firm..so the paperwork says and he works for her and she pays him minimum wage…so his W-2 says. He made roughly $165,000 at his old firm as a senior manager.

    They ran to the court with this new paperwork and got the child support slashed. Ever tried to raise two kids off of child support from a minimum wage job? I work a job and a half.

    By Renee

    March 13, 2006 01:19 PM | Link to this

    Jack K, you made the original comments, and then continue to make them and then say sorry. Unfortunately, or fortunately depending on how you look at it, it are more than two white rappers.

    I mean, yes, hip hop is largely in the black community, and the majority of rappers are black, and of course rap is hip hop, thus a dialect, or it would be a song. Your comment would be the equivalent of me asking RF (for example) why does he speak like those White Rednecks. You put the emphasis on color, and then state that is not how you meant it. Surely you couldn’t have made the comment and not expected a backlash. Or did you think this was a whites only blog. In that case your comments may have made more sense.

    Additonally, people have the right to speak however they wish to speak. Your opinion, on how they speak, or how the obtained the dialect in which they speak will not stop or change the situation.

    By Renee

    March 13, 2006 01:20 PM | Link to this

    Kimberly great 1:04.

    It helps to know your spouse before you marry them.

    By kimberly

    March 13, 2006 01:22 PM | Link to this

    My Children Suffer, your story is more common than gnats in Valdosta. If I were you, I’d sic the IRS on him. If his personal assets reflect more than his W-2s, then he’s not only defrauding you, he’s defrauding the US Government. Do you think he’s not sticking any money in his own accounts someplace? Of course he is! And while they don’t CARE if he defrauds you, they DO care if he defrauds them. Ask former mayor Bill Campbell.

    By NotMyProblem

    March 13, 2006 01:23 PM | Link to this

    Hey Diane - You’re not black. You’re not even brown. Spare us the “jive talk”, okay? There’s enough butchering of the English language as it is, without doing it on purpose.

    Regarding the topic - there’s nothing wrong with a prenup as long as BOTH parties are willing to agree to the terms of it. If they’re not, the one not willing needs to bow out of the whole marriage thing and move on.

    By The72John

    March 13, 2006 01:36 PM | Link to this

    Ok, busy busy, but taking a moment to interject.

    I think we should all cut the so-called jive talk some slack. While vernacular has no place in academic or formal writing, it’s very much a part of our language and has been for a very long time. Much of what, say, Shakespeare used in his writings would have been considered “Elizabethan Jive-Talk”.

    However, despite what the Diane Glass poseur poster says, I still say she used the word wrong :-)

    By RF

    March 13, 2006 01:37 PM | Link to this

    Mara- that’s the way it was in my house too growing up. By 16, I had a job, chores, and cooked most dinners during the week to help out two working parents. What’s funny is how many couples today, although the number is shrinking, still believe in the man working and the woman staying home. It definitely creates a skewed view of male/female roles in today’s society.

    Moose- it isn’t about being cromagnon. Think about it— a lot of us here are from the “Father Knows Best” and “Leave it to Beaver” generation. We were brought up that way and it’s hard to adjust that point of view. The current generation of kids are growing up with very different views thank goodness!!

    By Jack

    March 13, 2006 01:43 PM | Link to this

    My children thought it strange that they were the only ones in their class to have only one set of parents. What a shame.

    My Children Suffer. That guy is scum. Karma will get him. (Is that what you would do FM?)

    By Justin

    March 13, 2006 01:44 PM | Link to this

    RF, the current generation of children are growing up with different views but the woman gets half is still prevalent with them. That is why Kanye West wrote Golddigga.

    By Archie

    March 13, 2006 01:44 PM | Link to this

    “Is marriage not a contract that, by default, says your $ is now our $? Was marriage not origanly ALL about money and it still follows that line of reasoning? Once again - it is a contract that speaks about the rights of $$ and property - not how much love they have for each other.

    Meaning that by default it is based on $$$.

    Vows cover the parts you all want to argue - but have no leagal standing. Furthermore, the vows are not anywhere in a marriage license from what I have seen - otherwise some of you may have an arguement.”

    FatMoose,yo’ dog I know you have fallen out with some people here but I agree with your comments. I agree with your comments and I am happy to see that some women agree with them as well. To Jack I say it’s a different time and I think that it is your attitude in men and women that contributes to the high divorce rate. I will explain later…

    By Jack

    March 13, 2006 01:48 PM | Link to this

    FM. I am not a cromagnon. A neanderthal.

    By Renee

    March 13, 2006 01:56 PM | Link to this

    It is the initial love and commitment in addition to vows that make you want to legally share everything including a man sharing his name. You want to legally be one entity because of your love and commitment and to be recognized by society. As we progress (for lack of a better word) as a society, the legalities of marriage are being more and more defined. Shortly, you are correct, it will have absolutely nothing to do with love and everything to do with a binding contract.

    By Renee

    March 13, 2006 02:00 PM | Link to this

    One more thing I meant to type in my last note. I have to disagree that Jack’s way of thinking is contributing to the high divorce rate. Especially since he’s not divorced!!!

    By Jack

    March 13, 2006 02:02 PM | Link to this

    Well hey. Why have marriage at all? This generation seems to think it is not necessary. We can have a whole generation of bastards. Our children don’t have to know who their real Dad or Mom is. This is now. Before I’m labeled a sexist, FYI , my wife worked. I changed diapers, cooked, did my share of the household chores and anything she wanted. If Mama ain’t happy, nobody is happy.

    By kimberly

    March 13, 2006 02:04 PM | Link to this

    Neanderthals rule in dark places.

    By Diane Glass

    March 13, 2006 02:05 PM | Link to this

    “The Diane Glass poseur poster” is very real. Shaunti and I are living, breathing human beings who write in slang and post on blogs! That’s the democratic beauty of the Internet — editorials aren’t only found on print edition newspapers. Which brings me to the democratic use of slang in popular culture — until I see “off-the-chain” in the Webster dictionary with primary and secondary definitions, we can ponder its meaning ad nauseam).

    By Mara

    March 13, 2006 02:05 PM | Link to this

    Justin, maybe the “woman gets half” idea is still prevalent because of the “fairness” issue. Children see both parents go off to work but when they get home, mom still has cookin’ cleanin’ and washin’ to do while Poppy grabs his coldbeer and plops his butt into the Lay-Z-Boy. (ooohhhh! stereotypes are fun!) Maybe they think it’s only fair for Mumsy to get a bit more, hmmmm?

    By Jack K

    March 13, 2006 02:10 PM | Link to this

    Not My Problem-you will be hearing from someone named Renee very soon….(you said the “B” word…and I don’t mean B-T-H.)

    That’s a no-no. You can’t say that word unless you’re referring to the nighttime sky.

    You sounded like a honkey-now stop it. Don’t you be dissin’ any of dees here folks. Don’t you be tryin to break me down neither. I’ll haf to raize de roof off this here place sucka. “Bout time to get my grub on. Be back after I get me some good ole collard greens and corn bread. White folks like those things too don cha know!

    (If you can use that language then so can I. I guess there’s no harm in it right?) Word up!

    By Jack

    March 13, 2006 02:11 PM | Link to this

    :)

    By Julia

    March 13, 2006 02:21 PM | Link to this

    Jack K-I’m sorry but you sound more and more like a hillbilly every day. Stop stirring and put the spoon down.

    By RF

    March 13, 2006 02:23 PM | Link to this

    The science community has been thrown into a state by recent discoveries that Neanderthal Man did, in fact, know how to do domestic chores. Evidence suggests that some did them regularly, while others seemed more like their cromagnon ancestors, who simply hunted and procreated as regular habits. More on this developing story as details unfold…

    By The72John

    March 13, 2006 02:23 PM | Link to this

    Forgive me for being skeptical, “Diane”, but the other times I’ve seen AJC editorial staff posting in their own ‘blogs, their handles have been in a different format than those of the hoi polloi.

    But hey, either way - I think the use of slang is fine. Adds a nice bit of spice.

    By Renee

    March 13, 2006 02:23 PM | Link to this

    You are being quite the a__hole Jack K., but whatever floats your boat. You can stop addressing me now, and I most certainly will stop addressing you. If you think using the word BLACK is what the issue was, then we are unable to have a intelligent and rational discussion.

    Oh sorry, your last post proved that already….bastard.

    By RF

    March 13, 2006 02:25 PM | Link to this

    Jack K— pull your pants up, your brain might get sunburned. Let the race thing go—that has nothing to do, whatsoever, with today’s discussion. Noone, besides yourself, seems to be participating in your side of the debate. Hmmmmmm, wonder why?

    By Jack

    March 13, 2006 02:27 PM | Link to this

    LMAO RF!!! Hahahahahahah! You are the voice of sanity on this insane blog.

    By Nikita

    March 13, 2006 02:29 PM | Link to this

    Just in Diane’s favor…I thought she was having fun with a relatively straightforward topic. And why not? Also, most of us use some form of slang in certain contexts.

    Back to the prenup biz, gold diggas, broke-a%%$ &^%$#s, and all that…we seem to have a clear divisions between three camps. The practical camp, the dreamy camp, and the bitter due to personal experience camp.

    I fall into the practical camp, which means I have trouble relating to the other two. because: a) marriages break up. and people who were all lovey dovey at the beginning are sharpening their knives and hiring private detectives at the end. for those reasons, at least if there is a significant disparity in assets or obligations at the beginning of the marriage, a pre-nup is not a bad idea. and the discussion that goes with the signing or non-signing of one is very healthy for a relationship. b) i don’t care if you know women who have ripped off your guy friends. my guy friend L continues to live in the house he purchased with his ex despite a court decree to the contrary, and has never paid her her share. My guy friend T hasn’t paid a cent of child support. ever. Bad people and inequitable situations exist in both sexes and affect both sexes. A prenuptial agreement won’t solve some of these problems (T’s hiding assets, and that’s beyond the scope of such an agreement), but they could potentially limit the extent to which a party who has not earned their spouse’s money is entitled to it. Which is a good thing.

    Personally, i came to marriage with far more assets than my husband, and they are particular assets which are of great importance to me and my family. I wanted to ensure that all of those assets were excluded from consideration in the event of a divorce. someone please explain to me why my concerns are not valid.

    By FatMoose

    March 13, 2006 02:29 PM | Link to this

    Archie, FatMoose,yo’ dog I know you have fallen out with some people here but I agree with your comments.

    People kind of fell out of reality - but thanks for the reassurement;) No friends lossed here - like these people support anything besides their personal agendas;)

    0000000000000000000000

    Jack,

    FM. I am not a cromagnon. A neanderthal.

    YOU can be whatevery your little heart desires - after your bs name calling and That guy is scum. Karma will get him. (Is that what you would do FM?) comments - I see you have no better sense than chuck; except that to keep your mouth shut - And now that attribute is to the wind.

    And to further your ignorance - regarding: Is that what you would do FM? - I actually covered what I AM doing last week; but that croma…neandertal brain has yet to learn about difficult concepts like long-term memory - or equality for that matter.

    Beat your Chest and Grunt for us Jack! Help set up another patriarchal society pulled from your golden years of abuse towards women. A lot of them will think you are doing them good - cycles and cycles of the same ole crap…sad really.

    By Jack

    March 13, 2006 02:31 PM | Link to this

    FM. Bite me.

    By Renee

    March 13, 2006 02:35 PM | Link to this

    someone please explain to me why my concerns are not valid.

    Your concerns are valid, to you. Anybody who wants a prenup should get one. People are merely voicing their opinons.

    I would not have married if my partner would have requested a prenup, nor would I have asked my partner to sign one. But that’s my opinion.

    By Mara

    March 13, 2006 02:36 PM | Link to this

    this is waaaay off topic but thought y’all would delight in knowing that the duct tape-n-plastic sheeting crowd is still running our government.

    “In a remarkable speech over the weekend, Secretary of Health and Human Services Michael Leavitt recommended that Americans start storing canned tuna and powdered milk under their beds as the prospect of a deadly bird flu outbreak approaches the United States.”

    my question, does it have to be tuna and powdered milk? Could we substitute, say, canned salmon and condensed milk? And why store it under the bed? (oops. I forgot. These are the hide-under-the-bed-from-the-nasty-terrorist scaredy cats…lol)

    By Jack K

    March 13, 2006 02:37 PM | Link to this

    I was using slang to prove a point and busting up a stereotype at the same time.

    Language does make a huge difference in how we are percieved and how intelligent we sound. Slang does not exactly make one sound very smart.

    (Neither does calling someone an a-hole or b-stard.)

    Julia-what exactly makes me sound like a hillbilly??? That makes no sense whatsoever! What’s your problem?

    By My Children Suffer

    March 13, 2006 02:43 PM | Link to this

    I tried that. “Her” business grossed over 8 million dollars - so I was told by a old friend of my ex’s who did business with them. They have everything legal - how I don’t know. An eight million dollar a year business and he makes minimum wage? I already tried with the IRS and such. He won’t even put his kids on his health insurance.

    If I ask for help from my Parents, I have to endure the hours long “lie in your bed” speech.

    Although I am tired of hearing myself whine, so I know everyone else is..the point I am making, if we had a pre-nup, I might have at least got my kids taken care of.

    By Jack K

    March 13, 2006 02:45 PM | Link to this

    I meant “perceived”.

    By FatMoose

    March 13, 2006 02:46 PM | Link to this

    FM. Bite me.

    Would not feed you to my dog, brother - much less touch you with my mouth you sick sexist bastard;)

    Yeah the name calling is just as I remember it on the playground - Now jack goes to the hobby horses and rocks his fury away…while grunting “I AM a man, I AM a man…”;)

    By Renee

    March 13, 2006 02:48 PM | Link to this

    I was using slang to prove a point and busting up a stereotype at the same time

    Okay, I know I said I wasn’t addressing you but I have to ask.

    What POINT did you prove, and what STEREOTYPE did you bust??

    At least when you make your condescending, racist statements, stand behind them. Don’t come back with I’m making a point crap. Nobody here was debating language.

    Your statement:

    Language does make a huge difference in how we are percieved and how intelligent we sound. Slang does not exactly make one sound very smart. True, but nobody was debating that. Additionally, none of us are on a job interview right now, so what difference does the manner in which they speak on a blog make?? But that is a diversion from your original statement, the one that fueled the anger was…

    Your statement: *I see why Kimberly isn’t getting many WHITE men to date her. LOL!

    Why can’t white people speak like white people and use proper English these days?

    Yo Homee, what up dog, let’s stop talkin’ dis trash…ya’ dig?*

    I’m noting the intelligence in this statement. Quite the scholarly statement.

    I’m sorry, I’ve misjudged you. You are merely trying to teach us, the intelligent way to communicate with one another.

    By Tim

    March 13, 2006 02:48 PM | Link to this

    you know this was actually a great “Golden Girls” episode… Dorothy and her ex-husband Stan were going to remarry… the day of their wedding Stan brought a prenup for Dorothy to sign… she hit him over the head with it… we can learn a lot from “The Golden Girls”… seasons 1-4 are out on DVD

    Renee… I think the important thing is that you and your partner agree what is best for you… in my case… my partner and I agree… if we were able to marry… we would have a prenup… the main reason being inheritance

    By Jack K

    March 13, 2006 02:49 PM | Link to this

    And as to the subject at hand: I don’t believe in pre-nups. I agree with Jack on this issue 100%.

    By Renee

    March 13, 2006 02:53 PM | Link to this

    I agree Tim!! Unfortunately, neither one of us are expecting big inheritances lol..

    By james

    March 13, 2006 02:54 PM | Link to this

    to-my children suffer…..child support isn’t awarded to you for u to raise your children off of. you’re supposed to get a job and the child support supplements your income. it’s attitudes like that that have the system and society all screwed up now.

    By Chilao

    March 13, 2006 02:57 PM | Link to this

    Slang does not exactly make one sound very smart.

    But it does make someone sound hip and certainly with the times.

    Who knew the columnists actually read this blog, who knew? LOL

    By My Children Suffer

    March 13, 2006 03:01 PM | Link to this

    James the Jerk, Both parents should be financially equally responsible for raising children. They are not soley MY children. I learned in biology that it takes an egg and a sperm. I do not possess both of those cells. I find it hard to believe that anyone believes the one parent who has custody (full but I wanted joint) is expected to raise the children completely financially by themself. You are an idiot to believe that the father of these children is in no way responsible for providing any food, clothing or educational costs for these children.

    James, please do not procreate and if you do, please let your wife know that you will not be in any way responsible for the care, financial or otherwise, of any children you help her create. Let’s see how many babies she spouts out for you.

    By Chilao

    March 13, 2006 03:02 PM | Link to this

    I’m sorry, I’ve misjudged you. You are merely trying to teach us, the intelligent way to communicate with one another.

    and that is a dripping sarcasm?? (I assume). LOL hard to get tone inflection in text.

    By Sandy

    March 13, 2006 03:05 PM | Link to this

    tv show Trading Spouses: Mom is in the kitchen washing dishes. Pop is sitting in his easy chair reading the paper about four feet away from door. Doorbell rings: Pop, “Honey, can you get the door?” What do you think she did?

    Interview with older couple for sociology study. They are so proud of the equality in their relationship. He says to interviewer: “I bet you could use some water.” Interviewer: “That would be good!” He: “Honey, why don’t you get our guest some water?” What do you think she did?

    What would you do if it were you?

    By kimberly

    March 13, 2006 03:06 PM | Link to this

    OH NO YOU DI-INT! James, did you just rag on MCS because her ex-husband lives a wealthy life with another woman and doesn’t pay SH-T to support his own children?

    James illustrates why women today are better off if we don’t bother to marry [a man] at all. Based on the quickness and skill with which he turns a woman’s bad situation around on her, I’d say he has at least two ex-wives worth of experience. Nice job, James!

    By Julia

    March 13, 2006 03:06 PM | Link to this

    My CHildren Suffer-I know how you feel. My son’s “father” moved out of state and because his company’s insurance would not cover my son here in Georgia he does NOT have to pay for it. No insurance for my son because he packed up and moved out of the state. Isn’t that great? (Keep in mind this was all handled by the Child Support Enforcement Agency.)

    He also misrepresented his income as hourly instead of commission and that cut over $25,000 off his income. I couldn’t afford to travel to court so they made it appear like I “couldn’t even be bothered to show up for court”. The system made it EASY for him-the courthouse was only 10 minutes from his home. However, it was left up to me to travel 4 states away if I watned to appear in court.

    Some men really suck. And then there are good guys like Jack. I thought I had one of those good ones. He never swore, had lunch with his grandma 4 days a week, was the original “nice guy”. Then he pulls this garbage on me.

    I wish you the best of luck. It’s tough-but hang in there. There are alot of us out there.

    By Jack

    March 13, 2006 03:07 PM | Link to this

    I’m not your brother Moose. Thank God for that.

    sick sexist bastard;) I’ve been called worse.

    By james

    March 13, 2006 03:09 PM | Link to this

    my children suffer…….can u read? who types your posts for you? no where have i said that you should be solely responsible for raising your children. you just sound like a bitter ex when you rave like that.

    and i do have i wife. i am going through a divorce. i still pay half the mortgage and half the day care for our daughter. u need to excuse yourself and take a little time to think before you act as if you know someone.

    By RF

    March 13, 2006 03:09 PM | Link to this

    For several out there in Blog-land today:

    Better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt

    compile you own lists kiddies as to who fits where…

    By Mara

    March 13, 2006 03:13 PM | Link to this

    Chilao, it makes some people sound “hip” and “with it”…some other people just come out sounding like they’re trying to be hip and with-it. Maybe it’s context, but using urban slang while debating prenuptual agreements doesn’t seem quite…right, y’know? I suppose that since I’m not concerned about being “hip”, I didn’t realize what a hot-button issue pre-nups are in the, uh, (what do ya call it…?) the ‘hood?

    By The72John

    March 13, 2006 03:13 PM | Link to this

    Perhaps James missed the part where MCS mentions that she works two jobs.

    Perhaps he would take back his nasty little comment if he realized he had actually failed to read the posts he was commenting on.

    Jack - you know I think you’re an old-fasioned, out-dated fossil, but hey - that’s part of your charm - at least your honest about it. ;-). Ignore FM. By now, we all ought to realize that on every topic he always bullies anyone who dares contradict him and then claims some kind of self-righteous high ground.

    At least when I lose my temper, I’m consistent in who I vent on, and why. This guy just likes to run other people down to make himself feel superior.

    By Jack K

    March 13, 2006 03:14 PM | Link to this

    Renee-now I see. YOU can use sarcasm but I can not.

    By Jack

    March 13, 2006 03:15 PM | Link to this

    James. Please read your post of 2:54. What was she supposed to think?

    By james

    March 13, 2006 03:16 PM | Link to this

    kimberly, i didn’t turn anything around. seems to me i didn’t hear MCS mention anything in her post about her getting a job and working to support herself, let alone here children until the end of the post. and i bet it was an afterthought then. she’s bitter.

    her hubby set up that firm after he left her. he doesn’t OWE her any of that. shw just wants some of it.

    By Chilao

    March 13, 2006 03:25 PM | Link to this

    (sound)like they’re trying to be hip and with-it.

    Com’on, our Diane, lawdy lawdy no. (the ‘consultants’ was a joke).

    I actually did not think anything of it(Diane’s words) until Shaunti did the WTH is that, off the chain comment. and thought, this could be a fun day.

    By The72John

    March 13, 2006 03:28 PM | Link to this

    I see…so James feels that it’s absolutely appropriate that MCS husband’s child support payments are set based on the incorrect assumption that his income is minimum wage?

    I think that James is a perfect example of why pre-nups ARE important.

    By kimberly

    March 13, 2006 03:29 PM | Link to this

    This may come as a surprise to some of you “gentlemen,” but (1) not every woman is interested in the size of your wallet, and (2) if a woman is raising your kids, she’s most likely spending way more on them than on herself, so don’t be a CHEAP SELFISH PR-CK! (James, do you happen to know how many pairs of shoes a 9-year-old will go through in two years? C’mon & guess. How ‘bout field trip money per kid per school year? School pictures twice a year? Know what co-pays are at the pediatrician, or how much work a parent misses to sit in the waiting room for two hours? Bought school supplies for middle schoolers lately? Jacka—!)

    By Tim

    March 13, 2006 03:30 PM | Link to this

    Jack… will you beat up James please

    Renee… I’m not banking on the fact that I will be living the good life from inheritance… I think it is more principle than anything else… be it $1 or $5 million… my family wants me to have it… not my spouse… I just want to ensure that IF a divorce were to happen that my ex-spouse couldn’t get what isn’t theirs… divorces are ugly… that’s why they happen in court and not in a church

    By My Children Suffer

    March 13, 2006 03:31 PM | Link to this

    James, you are “slang” for a mule. I want better for my children. That is not bitter, or wrong. Better daycare, better books, better education, a home computer, a opportunity for college without relying on a Hope Grant. I make 50K a year between two jobs. I spend at least a fourth of that on my children. One fourth housing, one fourth taxes, one fourth utilities and food and if any left over out of that fourth it goes to savings/college fund and one fourth my children needs including clothes and education. I got two thousand dollars in child support last year. I spent 12,500 NOT counting utilities, food and housing. He spent 2,000.

    I have no comment left except, I certainly understand your wife leaving.

    Hey since I am the first one of our species to create two children all by myself, perhaps I can be on Oprah!

    By RF

    March 13, 2006 03:31 PM | Link to this

    Jack K- you typed: You sounded like a honkey-now stop it. Don’t you be dissin’ any of dees here folks. Don’t you be tryin to break me down neither. I’ll haf to raize de roof off this here place sucka. “Bout time to get my grub on. Be back after I get me some good ole collard greens and corn bread. White folks like those things too don cha know!

    Look up the definitions for sarcasm and racism. While you’re there, if it’s not too much mental strain, look up ignorant.

    That wasn’t sarcastic dude, it was racist and just plain DUMB!

    Again I say, PLEASE LET IT GO AND MOVE ON!! You’re not smart enough to use sarcasm. But hey, keep trying. Someday, when you can learn to count to twenty with your shoes on, you might get it.(that’s sarcasm)

    By Zack

    March 13, 2006 03:31 PM | Link to this

    Hey, Diane Glass:

    No, marriage isn’t a business arrangement. “Don’t be fooled by the candy and flowers.”? Who’s being fooled, Ms. Glass? Who’s the one who gets cleaned out? Have you forgotten? The man does. Who’s the one who gets automatic child custody? Inexplicably, the woman does. Who’s the one who gets alimony? The woman does. If she has an affair, and he chooses to get a divorce, does any of the above change? No, it doesn’t. Is this fair? No, it isn’t. Do you realize this? No, you apparently don’t. Then we hear about how women have it so hard in society and how men have it so easy. We need to remind society that men deserve to be treated well also, not exploited. I’ve seen women before carry themselves in ways that were far from ladylike, and the only ones who couldn’t see it were their parents—or maybe their parents were in denial. I’m tired of the way society always blames men for everything and acts like women should be exempt from any kind of blame. (It’s sort of like the Kobe Bryant matter. It was very, very, very wrong for Kobe to have an affair, and it was very, very, very wrong for her to go along with it. Does anyone actually believe he raped her? All we hear about is how he did something wrong and how she allegedly was an innocent bystander. Let’s distribute the blame evenly, please.) The Diane Glasses of the world want equality, well, at least their twisted definition of it. They don’t want to lose child custody, automatic alimony, and the insane label that women are beacons of innocence 100% of the time. Until she and those like her change their tune and show some consistency in their beliefs, their group won’t get the respect it seeks. By the way, is there not a moderator around? Why haven’t these inappropriate posts lately not been censored? I can here it now: “Censorship isn’t good! It’s bad! Who’s to say what’s appropriate or inappropriate?” Sadly, the previous paragraph is pretty commonplace. Guys, don’t be fooled by her words. Look at her actions. If her actions don’t support her words, find someone else. A good girl can be hard to find sometimes, but you shouldn’t settle for some dime-a-dozen type, and don’t listen to Glass as she complains incessantly about how men are always the bad guys. Let’s be fair.

    By Renee

    March 13, 2006 03:32 PM | Link to this

    Jack, I’m sure you were being sarcastic!!! You can’t even expect anyone to believe that, at least me…. Like I said, make your statements, but back them up don’t then make these statements and come back with “I was being sarcastic” or “I was just kidding” or “what is everyone’s problem??”

    Mara, I’m not sure where you were going with your “the hood” comment, and I don’t think anyone was debating prenups while using “urban slang”. Good grief, never mind, I can’t continue with this.

    John, your 3:13 was right on point….

    By Jack

    March 13, 2006 03:41 PM | Link to this

    Hi Tim. I really don’t think he is serious. He may be a glutton for punishment like Chuck and is chumming the water.

    Thanks for the 3:13 John.

    By Tim

    March 13, 2006 03:46 PM | Link to this

    good point Jack… I hope you are right

    By Jack

    March 13, 2006 03:47 PM | Link to this

    Zack. Who said life was fair? On the Kobe thing, if you are in the middle of the act and she says stop and you don’t, that is rape.

    By Mara

    March 13, 2006 03:50 PM | Link to this

    Renee, my “the hood” comment was to illustrate exactly how “un-hip” I am, what with my inability to use slang properly. And Diane was using “urban slang” in her article, which is supposed to be one side of a left-right debate. In any event, I’m sure that Chilao, whom I was bantering with, understood exactly what I meant.

    I’ll check back tomorrow folks. If the discussion still is no better than “Women are man-hating, money sucking parasites” or “men are pigs…” I think I’ll bow out of commenting and wait to see how long it takes for the topic to be exhausted. Ta-ta kiddies.

    By Julia

    March 13, 2006 03:51 PM | Link to this

    Renee-please just try to ignore him. He’s out in left field.

    By kimberly

    March 13, 2006 03:57 PM | Link to this

    Thanks to James and Zack today for reminding me what I’m NOT missing. Huge favor, guys. THANK YOU! I’ll take my self-supporting, not-the-size-of-the-wallet-that-matters, not-always-ladylike, don’t-want-your-priceless-golf-clubs, but PAY MY OWN BILLS a$$ on out of here now.

    Toodles!

    By james

    March 13, 2006 03:58 PM | Link to this

    MCS and Kimberly…first, i left her cause she is an unstable woman. secondly, if MCS did things in the proper order, when she got the divorce the judge would’ve made an order for child support then and it wouldn’ve come straight out of his check (if you live in GA). So, if you took the correct steps, you wouldn’t be complaining about what you’re not getting. Thirdly, Kimberly, field trip money, school pictures twice a year, those are obviously not needed to raise a child. Copay for the pediatrition, medicad doesn’t have one. My insurance copay is $20. And your point is????? I’m haven’t said her husband was a prince. but she evidently isn’t a pricess either. only thing i’m pointing out is that she doesn’t need to be whining if her ducks weren’t in a row in the first place.

    i support 2 children, willingly and happily, off of $31K per year. i don’t complain. when a second job is needed, i take one. my child support comes straight out of my check. i walked into DHR and asked for it to be done. no need to heap your disillusions onto me.

    By Renee

    March 13, 2006 04:00 PM | Link to this

    Will do..

    Maybe Tim, the marriage and the divorce should take place in the church LOL….

    By james

    March 13, 2006 04:03 PM | Link to this

    kimberly-what you’re missing is someone that’ll tell you what they think instead of what your want to her or the now current social party line.

    no love lost. facts are facts.

    By FatMoose

    March 13, 2006 04:07 PM | Link to this

    At least when I lose my temper, I’m consistent in who I vent on, and why.

    Ohhh yeaa Right! You are the voice of reason - I forgot that. You call names the first time you have your wittle feelings hurt!

    As for superior? Umm…seeing what you and jack post and moreover, figuring you two act on what you say you believe - then yes, I have superior processes in place…no shame in that. I prefer equality.

    You all just get pi&&ed bc I do not conform to your narrow paradigms. Heck - it is a FACT that marriage, as we know it, IS A CONTRACT. That is not opinion. To state that someone is morally culpable for adding a contract that voids the $$ of the marriage contract is inane.

    So, the only argument you guys CAN have is one of slander and left handed comments - which seem to be fine as long as it is purely maliciousness. But, if someone actually has a concrete argument against yours - whooo nelly! Better get your fighting boots on, we do not take lightly to you smart folk explaining stuff to us.

    Remember - this began with jack, like you, calling names. Not with me posting anything negative….read back and maybe you can wrap mind around the simple format this blog works on as find that the a*******e$ are you and jack.

    By Tim

    March 13, 2006 04:15 PM | Link to this

    Renee… I would go to church to see that!

    By Jack

    March 13, 2006 04:21 PM | Link to this

    Moose. I call um like I see um. Just like you.

    By Renee

    March 13, 2006 04:24 PM | Link to this

    Me too Tim!!!

    By Tim

    March 13, 2006 04:26 PM | Link to this

    Renee… I’ll save ya a seat next to me ;)

    By James' Preacher

    March 13, 2006 04:27 PM | Link to this

    i left her cause she is an unstable woman

    Boy, we have to talk. What did your wedding vows say? “For better or worse, in sickness and health, until your mood swings get on my nerves?” There’s a woodshed waiting for you James. You broke your contract with your wife and with God.

    By The72John

    March 13, 2006 04:30 PM | Link to this

    Whatever you say, FM. Whatever you say. I forgot how intellectually “superior” you are to the rest of us, despite your inability to spell, punctuate, use words correctly in sentences, structure paragraphs, or adequately perform any of the basic language tasks.

    You DO know that a facility with language is generally held to be one of the great indicators of intelligence, don’t you FM?

    I think a review of the weeks that you unfortunately choose to - and I use this term lightly, I assure you - “grace” us with your presence will show that every week you pick one or two people to bully and accuse of being inferior to you, and that every week you end up by proclaiming victory by fiat (that’s Latin, FM - you might need to look it up) based on your own “superiority”.

    I also know that this review would reveal that your posts are full of the very invective and “left-handed” maliciousness that you are criticizing others for. It is laughable that you continue to pretend some high ground which is patently not within your reach.

    By Jen

    March 13, 2006 04:33 PM | Link to this

    I got married at 23. My husband was 22. We were students and had no money and no property. I’m 31 now. We have a home, two cars, debt, savings.

    Were I to marry the same man now (and we’re doing pretty good so I really don’t think there’ll be a divorce) I would be going into it with more income, more assets, and more debt than him. Mostly because I’ve been in the workforce for the past 5 years and he’s been in grad school.

    I would absolutely get a pre-nup. It’s not about what’s mine is mine. But, it’s about leveling the playing field from the start. When we got married the field was level. 8 years later it is not.

    By james

    March 13, 2006 04:35 PM | Link to this

    that’s why go offers forgiveness. did u forge that????

    By Julia

    March 13, 2006 04:38 PM | Link to this

    FM and Jack-come on guys. Don’t beat each other up over this. You’re both intelligent strong-willed men. Can’t you guys patch things up?

    By FatMoose

    March 13, 2006 04:39 PM | Link to this

    Moose. I call um like I see um. Just like you.

    No way its “just like you” with the name calling and lack of civility from the get-go.

    You and j27 hold that bag yourselves - I aint sharing none of that mess with you.

    By James' Preacher

    March 13, 2006 04:44 PM | Link to this

    Did you forgive your wife for being “unbalanced?” If it’s a medical condition, you’re supposed to see her through it, Son, not leave. Did it occur to you that she might need MORE love instead of less love from her husband? How do you justify abandoning your children when their mother is unbalanced? Sounds like you want forgiveness without repenting, when what you have is a big, fat case of MeFirstITIS. I’m ashamed of you, Son.

    By FatMoose

    March 13, 2006 04:47 PM | Link to this

    And back to your first act of being an a$$ on here - the educated one speaks!

    I forgot how intellectually “superior” you are to the rest of us, despite your inability to spell, punctuate, use words correctly in sentences, structure paragraphs, or adequately perform any of the basic language tasks.

    Heard this argument before from you and you lost then too…also it was rebutted by….wait for it….Jack. Who, as well as anyone that HAS a point, understand this is a BLOG (look it up - it aint even latin and you do not know that it is “informal.” I know its a big word, just sound it out.).

    By Sigmund Freud

    March 13, 2006 04:50 PM | Link to this

    Upon reviewing these latest blog entries I am ready to reveal my prognosis & words of advice…

    “Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.”

    “It is better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all.”

    “What goes around comes around…sooner or later.”

    “A penny saved will not go very far.”

    “The elephants always come home to roost.”

    “Never look a goat in the mouth.”

    And, “Don’t forget to have your pet spayed or neutered” (as the case may be.)

    P.S. FM, 72John and Jack should all meet at the bar and down as much alcohol as possible. Then agree to disagree but leave staggering.

    As for james-there is no hope my friend. Just embrace your inner homosexuality and get on with it.

    By The72John

    March 13, 2006 04:51 PM | Link to this

    Again with the insults. For someone who isn’t an “a*****” you certainly exhibit strong “a***** tendencies.

    By FatMoose

    March 13, 2006 04:54 PM | Link to this

    Julia,

    I am tired of the name calling and hypcracy these people act out.

    At this point I really have more respect for chuck and zack (god I cannot believe that!) bc at LEAST they have been consistant in their points - although baseline!

    I sure as heck have no respect for jack - never did for poor j27. J27 is just a frustrated boy.

    By james

    March 13, 2006 04:57 PM | Link to this

    alright, for the preacher with the PhD….you can’t have a mental condition treated if you’re not willing to get help. and, where do get the notion that i abandoned my child. i take of my child, i see my child, i support my child. i still change her diapers and feed her. just stick to what you know.

    you being ashamed of me has not bearing on me whatsoever. i know what has to be done and i do it.

    do me a favor and remain as holy as you pretend to be, one day you might believe yourself.

    By The72John

    March 13, 2006 04:59 PM | Link to this

    Again, FM attempts to condescend to everyone. Call me what you will, FM - it’s apparent that you are a sad, frustrated little man who has acheived very little in life and attempts to make up for it by pretending superiority to those he will never have to prove it to.

    By FatMoose

    March 13, 2006 05:03 PM | Link to this

    Again with the insults.

    Umm…again???

    Read back you dolt - this is after you butted in something that you were not a part of and you TWO were calling names.

    You have your limit which is even thinking someone is being less than nice you go off on them - my limit has been reached and it was a half-a-day of namecalling and left-handed slander. Big difference.

    And yes, when I have to point something out that is obvious like the above 3x and it is ignored in favor of more name calling (on the darn blog in b/w); you give me superiority - I do not have to even pursue it.

    By Jen

    March 13, 2006 05:06 PM | Link to this

    I have another point….my husband is an atheist. I’m not. I’m a deist. So, for us, our marriage is about life partnership. But there are no religious bounds to keep us married. Much of the debate here is religion-based. That does not apply to some people.

    FYI, secularists like us also go into marriage thinking it’s forever, too. I know religious people tend to think that atheist and people like me are amoral or immoral, but that’s just not true.

    It would take a lot for me to divorce my husband, like patholigic infidelity or abuse. Possibly even criminal negligence with finances, too. But…in our short 8 years there has been 4 very hard years where we were so disconnected and unhappy. In the end, though, those were more individual problems and not irreconciliable (spelling?). We worked it out. Neither of us wanted out of the marriage.

    By Sigmund Freud

    March 14, 2006 09:05 AM | Link to this

    How many psychiatrists does it take to change a light bulb?

    Just one…but it has to really want to change.

    How many Democrats does it take to change a light bulb?

    I don’t know but it was probably Bush’s fault that it burned out in the first place.

    By Justin

    March 14, 2006 09:08 AM | Link to this

    MCS, if you didn’t have children, wouldn’t you still rent or have a mortgage? A car? pay utilities? Buy food? The cost of the children isn’t the entire cost of those things, just the additional cost that they add to the mortage/rent (additional bedrooms), utilities (cost of heating/cooling the additional bedrooms), their portion of the food costs, and their clothing. Many women feel the child support should cover all of the costs and they shouldn’t pay anything. There are also costs for the children at the non-custodial parent’s house which the custodial parent doesn’t contribute to at all.

    By Justin

    March 14, 2006 09:19 AM | Link to this

    If divorce isn’t all about money, then why is Eddie’s Murphy’s wife trying to break their prenup. He was also smart and married in New York not California.

    She stated in a magazine article that she left because he never wanted to go anywhere and she wasn’t getting the attention from him that she needed. They have joint custody of the children. She also complained that Eddie had three nannies and she only had one. So, she is already dating someone and trying to get Eddie to finance her.

    By Chilao

    March 14, 2006 09:22 AM | Link to this

    Renee - yes, I think Mara made an excellent point of noting that she was not exactly HIP, and furthermore has stated she had no wish to be.

    but ‘in da hood’? how many years ago was that expression Hip? Is it still even used?

    sorry, could not resist, Mara. LOL

    Now y’all bring your marbles back out for more play, OK?

    speaking of shrink jokes, did you see that on Crossing Jordan the other night? Two pyschiatrists pass each other in the hallway, one says “Hello” and the other wonders “I wonder what he meant by that”.

    By Justin

    March 14, 2006 09:29 AM | Link to this

    No longer will your ex-wife be satisfied with an equitable settlement of custody and property (even if she was so inclined), now she’s being both coached and encouraged to ”get everything” by whatever means available, including ”dirty tricks” and psychological manipulation. It goes without saying that if men were to publically suggest these tactics, they’d be accused of ”escalating divorce hostilities” and ”excessive aggression”…but apparently it’s acceptable behavior for women.

    By Justin

    March 14, 2006 09:45 AM | Link to this

    The Walkaway Wife

    Early in a marriage, she ways, a woman often will pursue her husband fro “more intimacy, more time, closer connection.” If he withholds them, she may begin to carp about his personal habits. If her emotional famine persists, she often will take the final, cataclysmic step: planning to exit the marriage.

    Weiner-Davis claims an 85 percent salvage rate for sinking marriages. But wives who deliberately decide to call it quits are almost counseling-proof. “It’s sad,” she says. “For the first time she really has his attention. He’s desperate to work on the marriage. But in the vast majority of cases, she’s long past being open to any reconciliation.”

    Further evidence that unhappy wives are increasingly divorce-minded comes in a 1995 study of 589 couples published in the American Journal of Family Therapy. Women, as it turns out, are more prone to make plans about divorce and discuss them with friends. Certainly in a country that leads the world in marital failures, there are plenty of these divorce “coaches,” who may seek to assuage their own breakup guilt by adding to their ranks.

    Psychologist John Guidubaldi of the U.S. Presidential Commission on Child Family Welfare detects a “contagion” factor at work between actual and potential divorcees.

    But greater social acceptance isn’t the only reason divorce is enticing so many women. State Laws and judicial customs buffer women from of the pain of a split.

    Divorcing mothers stand roughly a 90-percent chance of winning real custody of the children, thus child support. As a rule, ex-wifes receive half the marital property. Many get spousal support. No one suggests that mothers be forced to trudge out into the snow, babes in arms. But if we judge family collapse to be a societal crisis, our laws should not sweeten the divorce pot too much for either gender.

    “A lot of women get bored in their marriages,” say Guidubaldi, “If they can forecast all these benefits, why stay married?”

    But divorce hurts everyone. Fathers lose disposable income and routine contact with their children. (Q: Except in wartime, when else have loving fathers been legally torn from their own offspring? A: During slave auctions before black emancipation.) Women, too, become poorer and seldom meet Mr. Right. “By leaving instead of working on the marriage,” notes Weiner-Davis, “a woman sets herself up for a repeat experience.” And the havoc divorce wreaks on kids is axiomatic.

    Divorce upends the worlds of perhaps a million U.S. children each year. Yet surely many of the rubbled marriages producing these family-disaster waifs are rescuable. Before granting divorces, states should mandate pro-family counseling that teaches men and women how to talk to each other. Also, the concept of “fault” should be introduced into divorce law. Then any spouse who unilaterally abrogated the marital contract without just cause — ennui and a yen to self-actualize wouldn’t count — could expect little favor from the court.

    “It’s socially risky when marriages depend on a day-to-day temperature-taking of ‘Am I happy in this relationship?’ ” observes Blankenhorn. “In a high-divorce society, we need to look at both male and female behaviors that contribute toward divorce.”

    We won’t do that as long as, (we are) preoccupied with with jeering the Deadbeat Dad, we allow the Walkaway Wife to walk off into the sunset.

    By Mara

    March 14, 2006 09:46 AM | Link to this

    no problem, Chilao. My slang usage is as painful for me as it is for all of you. lol!

    I see Justin is back on the “all women are life-sucking bi@$#%&chs who’s only aim in life is to force some poor male into supporting her.”

    and last, but certainly not least, for Sigmund -

    How many members of the Bush administration does it take to change a light bulb?

  • One to deny that a light bulb needs to be changed;

  • One to attack the patriotism of anyone who says the light bulb needs to be changed;

  • One to blame Clinton for burning out the light bulb;

  • One to arrange the invasion of a country rumored to have a secret stockpile of light bulbs;

  • One to give a billion dollar no-bid contract to Halliburton for the new light bulb;

  • One to arrange a photograph of Bush, dressed as a janitor, standing on a step ladder under the banner: Light Bulb Change Accomplished;

  • One administration insider to resign and write a book documenting in detail how Bush was literally in the dark;

  • One to viciously smear #7;

  • One surrogate to campaign on TV and at rallies on how George Bush has had a strong light-bulb-changing policy all along;

  • And finally one to confuse Americans about the difference between screwing a light bulb and screwing the country.

    • ;^P

    By Justin

    March 14, 2006 09:51 AM | Link to this

    Why A Man Can’t Win

    If you put a woman on a pedestal and try to protect her from the rat race, you are a male chauvinist. If you stay home and do the housework, you are a pansy

    If you work too hard, there is never any time for her. If you don’t work enough, you are a good for nothing bum.

    If she has a boring repetitive job with low pay, this is exploitation. If you have a boring repetitive job with low pay, you should get off your rear and find something better.

    If you get a promotion ahead of her, that is favoritism. If she gets job ahead of you, it’s equal opportunity.

    If you mention how nice she looks, it’s sexual harassment. If you keep quiet, it’s male indifference.

    If you cry, you are a wimp. If you don’t, you are an insensitive bastard.

    If you make a decision without consulting her, you are a chauvinist. If she makes a decision without consulting you, she’s liberated woman.

    If you ask her to do something she doesn’t enjoy, that’s domination. If she asks you, it’s a favor.

    If you appreciate the female form and frilly underwear, you are a pervert. If you don’t, you are a f*.

    If you like a woman to shave her legs and keep in shape, you are a sexist. If you don’t, you are unromantic.

    If you try to keep yourself in shape, you are vain. If you don’t, you are a slob.

    If you buy her flowers, you are after something. If you don’t, you are not thoughtful.

    If you are proud of your achievements, you are an egotistical jerk. If you don’t, you are not ambitious.

    If she has a headache, she is tired. If you have a headache, you don’t love her anymore.

    If you want it too often, you are oversexed. If you don’t, there must be someone else.

    Author Unknown

    By Renee

    March 14, 2006 09:54 AM | Link to this

    It’s those evil women all the time. I’m yet to see an underhanded man. They don’t exist apparently.

    ~dripping sarcasm~

    It’s hard to make assertions on someone else’s marriage/divorce when you are on the outside looking in. There is always two sides to every story.

    By Mark

    March 14, 2006 09:55 AM | Link to this

    Justin,

    I know where you are coming from but I doubt that any on here have the b@lls to back you.

    I bet you were a happy guy once. It is a shame what women do to men in the pursual of their selfish perspective.

    If you read the posts on here, it looks like the overwhelming opinion is that they should be taken care of like children.

    I guess that is where you, and many of us, went wrong. You expected your mate to be an adult.

    By Suggestion

    March 14, 2006 09:59 AM | Link to this

    Justin, maybe you should try the other side of the fence since you hate women so much

    By Renee

    March 14, 2006 10:02 AM | Link to this

    If you read the posts on here, it looks like the overwhelming opinion is that they should be taken care of like children.

    I missed that opinion being expressed. I have to pay more attention.

    By Justin

    March 14, 2006 10:09 AM | Link to this

    A huge industry has developed that is making incredible amounts of money from the misery divorce inflicts on its victims. Judges, lawyers, counselors, child support enforcement employees, to name just a few, are making their livings (and often very good livings) by “working the system”. Even state governments are receiving dollars from the federal government for collecting more and more child support from the NCP’s. It is easy to see that if the number of divorces ever drops there will be many that will have to turn elsewhere for their livelihood.

    These industries do what ever is needed to perpetuate and insure continued growth (they don’t care about anything but the money). In the case of the “Divorce Industry” this has been accomplished by providing one class of person with a distinct advantage in the litigation. Women and mothers are led to believe that they can rely on the fact that they will almost always receive custody of their minor children and support from the husband and father. (There are exceptions, the courts can’t be too obvious.) This is why women file about 80% of divorces. Most men don’t file for divorce because they don’t want to risk losing their children. If women stood the same chance of losing their children as a man, does anyone really think that there would be anywhere near the same number of divorces? I don’t think so!

    Even lawyers who claim to represent the man are aware of how the system works. This is why so many lawyers will tell the man one thing, all the time knowing that the results will be different. Don’t get me wrong, there are good lawyers out there (I’m still looking for one), but too many will claim to represent the man while, in actuality, working to perpetuate the system. In other words, many lawyers may represent the man but don’t really want him to win. But they still expect to be paid for helping him lose. Too many fathers winning custody would cause mothers to think twice about filing for divorce, and the number of divorces to drop.

    By Mara

    March 14, 2006 10:14 AM | Link to this

    what is it with this seemingly overwhelming agreement among these male posters that men are just poor victims of the heartless, selfish, and greedy women? Maybe you all should quit looking for your mother and start looking at real women in the real world. Those types of women who actually support themselves. Who actually have their own self-worth and self-respect without attaching it to some man. Women who don’t mind you holding the door for them, because they’d do the same for you. Who can pump their own gas and yours too. Who don’t look down on men who follow their own dreams, even when those dreams aren’t on the traditionally “male” path. Maybe if you weren’t so focused on the T&A you’d find out that there are decent, smart, self-sufficient women out there who neither need nor want your money.

    So, since this was supposed to be a discussion about the validity of prenuptual contracts, maybe you could dispense with the b***-bashing and add something useful to the conversation. Or better yet, go away. You annoy me.

    By Sigmund Freud

    March 14, 2006 10:15 AM | Link to this

    “Lot of people wondering if John Kerry supports gay marriages. Here’s a hint … he gets $1,000 haircuts.” —Craig Kilborn

    “John Kerry reportedly flew in his private hairdresser before his “Meet the Press” interview for a total cost of $1,000. That’s $1,000 for a haircut, which sounds like a lot, but have you seen the size of Kerry’s head.” —Jay Leno

    “John Kerry reportedly flew in his private hairdresser before his “Meet the Press” interview for a total cost of $1,000. That’s $1,000 for a haircut, which sounds like a lot, but have you seen the size of Kerry’s head.” —Jay Leno

    They had a profile of John Kerry on the news and they said his first wife was worth around $300 million and his second wife, his current wife, is worth around $700 million. So when John Kerry says he’s going after the wealthy in this country, he’s not just talking. He’s doing it!” —Jay Leno

    “A new poll shows that Senator Kerry’s support in the South is strongest amongst blacks. Kerry’s appeal to Southern blacks is obvious. He is a white man who lives far, far away.” —Dennis Miller

    By GOB

    March 14, 2006 10:15 AM | Link to this

    Justin - Maybe I am reading too much in between the lines here, but it sounds like you might have some sort of axe to grind…Although, i could be way off…

    By Sigmund Freud

    March 14, 2006 10:18 AM | Link to this

    I think there is a little sexual tension between Justin and Mara. How about we set you up on a blind date. You guys would make a perfect couple.

    By Justin

    March 14, 2006 10:20 AM | Link to this

    This a book most women read and men should read it and never marry…

    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1558506004/104-6987479-4594350?v=glance&n=283155

    By Sigmund Freud

    March 14, 2006 10:25 AM | Link to this

    Justin-you must let go of the bitterness my son. You will never be happy until you let the anger go. You can not judge ALL WOMEN by a few. You would not want women to judge you by the handful of pr!cks they’ve encountered now would you? Put your sticks and stones down and dry your little eyes. One bad apple does not spoil the whole bunch.

    Move on buddy-before it completely takes over your life and steals what little joy is left.

    By Mark

    March 14, 2006 10:26 AM | Link to this

    Maybe you all should quit looking for your mother and start looking at real women

    See Justin, It is all because our mothers were not REAL women. We are just delusional in thinking that we should be able to expect our mates to be mature women.

    Thanks, mara and kimberly and etc for the added proof that women (the majority) are waiting for someone to take care of them.

    As for the comment on switching teams. I would consider it if it was natural, but I would rather not have crap on my p@n!s after sex. You can be gay all day long, but any activity that includes sh!t does not sound all-together “healthy.”

    By Sigmund Freud

    March 14, 2006 10:26 AM | Link to this

    Or, if Mara’s not your type maybe we could set you up with John or Tim.

    By Justin

    March 14, 2006 10:28 AM | Link to this

    Postnup… www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/nation/13442550.htm

    By Whiley

    March 14, 2006 10:29 AM | Link to this

    Justin (Zack?) does really well with his cut & pasting from different “he-man misogynists are us websites”. Who are all these militant women who are living the high life off of ex’s? Where ever they are that’s certainly not the norm. My whole life I’ve not known ONE women like that. It’s funny how most all women work full time jobs while doing most all the household work AND childrearing. Doesn’t sound like they’re being taken care of at all. What it does sound like is another bunch of whiny immature boys trying to get out of their own personal responsibilities. Again! And we even have to wonder why so many wives are bailing out of unhappy lonely marriages? I take it Justin has never raised a child? Otherwise he’d realize exactly how easy an absentee father has is by comparison. Just drop a check in the mailbox every month.

    Prenup or no prenup, I don’t really know that much about it since I’ve never been super rich or dated super rich. I would think if I HAD married a rich husband when younger, he insisted that I stay home (with or without kids) then maybe that would be an issue. Meaning, I would have been out of the workforce for years & years. If rich husband decided to trade me in for a stripper I would be in real danger of living in poverty. So there’s the need for a prenup. In my opinion.

    By The72John

    March 14, 2006 10:29 AM | Link to this

    The book you reference is ranked #232,530 among books sold on Amazon. Assuming that “Most” women read this book, given Amazon’s market share, don’t you think that its sales rank would be a little higher?

    By Justin

    March 14, 2006 10:30 AM | Link to this

    Sigmund Freud,

    H*ll to the naw!

    By Archie

    March 14, 2006 10:33 AM | Link to this

    Jack’s attitude expressed yesterday is one reason why the divorce rate is up in my opinion. I am happy that Jack has a successful marriage. Anyway, my reason against the attitude that Jack expressed is that women of today will not put up with cheating because they earn just as much as men or at least they have the capacity to work. Women earn good money these days so they can do bad or good all by themselves thus they don’t hang around a broke guy too often in this day and age. A husband does not have authority over his wife in this day and age thus conflicts arise when the old way of thinking meets the new way of thinking. Also in this day and age of women’s equality,women have to take the blame for something and that means if they cheat they have to pay just like the man would. Not every man earns enough for his wife to be a homemaker so if you have a old-school way of thinking you’re going to have problems in your household if everything doesn’t match up. I know someone is going to post what the Bible says about obedience but please, people don’t follow it very well and the divorce amongst church folk is just as bad as secular folk.

    By kimberly

    March 14, 2006 10:35 AM | Link to this

    Oh, the evils of women….. All you poor poor mistreated men who just can’t win. Wah wah wah wah. Please. If you woke up tomorrow as a woman, you wouldn’t last three months. Seriously. I’m going to go find some pepto bismal now, this is completely beyond what my stomach can handle. Seriously. Somebody holla at me when there’s a real topic happening.

    By kimberly

    March 14, 2006 10:37 AM | Link to this

    Mark, STFU about me. I never had anyone take care of me and I never asked anyone either, so BITE MY A— you LIAR. Tell lies about someone else you little worm. I’ve ALWAYS paid my own bills you big fat lying liar.

    By Whiley

    March 14, 2006 10:38 AM | Link to this

    Mara, men like Justin are too overwhelmed with the fact women don’t find him attractive & he can’t get a date. Men like Justin won’t admit that his ex’s restraining orders against him were because of HIS bad behavior, not hers. The women leave because of his inability to help around the house, keep a steady job, his grungy clothes, excessive drinking & abusive behavior. Men like Justin instead spout woman hating ridiculous rants written by other sad pathetic men on their sad pathetic websites, paid for by pop up porn ads. Instead of improving themselves, they blame others.

    Or, he’s in jail for murdering his wife/girlfriend & he’s really P!!@ he got caught & now he’s somebody’s BOYFRIEND.

    By Mara

    March 14, 2006 10:38 AM | Link to this

    Now Siggy, you’re trying to get me into trouble aren’t you? LOL!

    Maybe you could explain to me how Mark managed to twist the observation that there’re women who neither need nor want his money into my breathless anticipation of being “taken care of” but some man…

    By Renee

    March 14, 2006 10:40 AM | Link to this

    How ignorant ~shaking my head~

    I don’t even have the energy to comment on the ignorance and the stupidity….

    Maybe it’s not ignorance, it’s just the lack of class….

    anyway….

    By E. Lewis

    March 14, 2006 10:43 AM | Link to this

    Just because it’s on a piece of paper and notarized, which is all that’s needed for it to be a contract, doesn’t mean it will stand up in court anyway.

    By Chilao

    March 14, 2006 10:44 AM | Link to this

    Mark - Kimberly and Mara have never posted anything to back up what you stated about them. Sure, there are gold-diggers, but certainly not in those two.

    and 72John now trying to confuse us all with FACTS related to the amazon book ranks? LOL Rush L. said that book was at amazon so it is at amazon, end of story. LMAO

    By Mara

    March 14, 2006 10:49 AM | Link to this

    Yeah, Whiley, you’re probably right. It must be a nasty surprise for them to find out that they aren’t the sum and total of “their” womans existance. That’s gotta hurt.

    By Sigmund Freud

    March 14, 2006 10:50 AM | Link to this

    ANyone want to comment on what Mark said in his last post? Tim,John,Netbanker,Eirick, anyone???

    Is there anyone who has the guts to address it? Didn’t think so….

    By Mara

    March 14, 2006 10:52 AM | Link to this

    Chilao, what a fine, upstanding and honest person you are! Consider yourself hugged.

    By Mark

    March 14, 2006 10:55 AM | Link to this

    Kimberly and Mara have never posted anything to back up what you stated about them. Sure, there are gold-diggers, but certainly not in those two.

    I did not use the term gold-digger. I said immature. Here is a nice example without looking hard at all: Wah wah… boo hoo hoo… Mommmmmyyyyyyy! I got married and being married wasn’t fun anymore so I spent played golf and had a couple girlfriends, and I HAD to ‘cause she got fat, and I just can’t love a fat woman, and she just sat on her a— all day while I went to WORK and she only had to take care of kids and shop, and that other woman appreciated me for my manhood, and now we’re getting divorced and she wants half my money, and Mommmmmmmyyyyy, it’s NO FAIR and judge says I gotta pay her and then the lawyer wants $10K too and I’m just so MAD, Mommmmyyy can you fix it? NO FAIR! Wah wah wah wah wah!

    I do not know a single guy past 13 that still acts like this. It is childish and the reason “real men” ditch them after having their fill.

    Date this woman and watch her act the same way as soon as she does not get everything she is “entitled to.” How are YOU going to react when your “mature wife” begins mocking and stomping her foot like a child?

    By Whiley

    March 14, 2006 10:55 AM | Link to this

    Seriously, aren’t prenups for people will a whole lot of money? (well that leaves ME out)

    lol

    And pa-lease, if you’re a rich old man with a beautiful young wife, DUH she’s only out for your money you idiot ! Oh but it’s worth it? Then SHUT UP & stop complaining when she tries to take 1/2 your S@#$. Stop being a old pervert & you wouldn’t have that problem.

    See? All solved.

    By The72John

    March 14, 2006 10:58 AM | Link to this

    It doesn’t take guts to comment on the pre-conceptions and ignorance of a homophobic idiot whose first thought when gay people are brought up is to imagine what two men do in bed.

    Hey, Sigmund…why don’t you come out from behind your little disguise. If you’re actually a regular, you don’t really have any business calling anyone else gutless, now do ya?

    By Mark

    March 14, 2006 11:00 AM | Link to this

    Is there anyone who has the guts to address it? Didn’t think so…

    What is there to address? I think people should have the freedom to date and screw whatever they please. But there is no arguement against the fact that it is a sh!t h0le they are pleasuring and that is not the only place their p@n!s goes. Before and after.

    Can you say “dirty sanches?”

    By Jack

    March 14, 2006 11:00 AM | Link to this

    If everyone took their vows seriously, there would be less divorce. Staying together takes effort. Getting hitched is easy, staying hitched is the hard part.

    By Chilao

    March 14, 2006 11:00 AM | Link to this

    Thank you Mara, back to you.

    now to Mark’s last post, read a woman’s blog where she was addressing her boyfriend complaining about the occassional teeth and foreign objects on his thing. she said “if you do not want teeth to touch your thing, don’t put it in people’s mouths, and if you don’t want some foreign objects on your thing, keep them out of people’s butts. It’s real simple, really”. It was an hilarious piece, wish I had saved it.

    By Renee

    March 14, 2006 11:02 AM | Link to this

    Actually I would comment on it, but the sheer statement in itself is riddled with ignorance.

    By Mark

    March 14, 2006 11:07 AM | Link to this

    It doesn’t take guts to comment on the pre-conceptions and ignorance of a homophobic idiot whose first thought when gay people are brought up is to imagine what two men do in bed.

    Actually I do know your lifestyle. Roomate in college was gay. It was then that I learned how sick the sex is. Man, we had some fights over his dirty laundry being in a pile stinking.

    See, I know you tend to have special clean-up towels. Just be sure to put them up before guests arrive and please do not mix them up with the face/hand towels for the bathroom. I remember my roomate running to snatch his towel before my girlfiend discovered it.

    By Chilao

    March 14, 2006 11:12 AM | Link to this

    I think Mark missed Kimberly’s point of that Mommy, Mommy post. LOL

    and for the record, I am not someone to complain about the occassional tooth or foreign object that comes with the territory, just that woman apparently had a boyfriend who did complain about it. LOL

    By The72John

    March 14, 2006 11:12 AM | Link to this

    Actually I do know your lifestyle. Roomate in college was gay. It was then that I learned how sick the sex is. Man, we had some fights over his dirty laundry being in a pile stinking.

    And here I thought you were just ignorant…I had no idea you know ONE gay person. Amazing that you can base your entire conception of a large and diverse group of people based on the actions of one person.

    By Jack

    March 14, 2006 11:15 AM | Link to this

    Mark seems to be obsessed with poop.

    By Whiley

    March 14, 2006 11:17 AM | Link to this

    Jack you are so right. But how long should someone put up with cheating, abuse, a partner unwilling to help out around the house, unwilling to be responsible with money etc?

    I’d give it, depending on level of abuse & cheating, around 2 years. Even tho I shouldn’t have to teach anyone how to be a decent person, I’d try anything I could to encourage 50/50 partnership. (fairly regular loving sex is part of it to.) After 2 years & it’s still crap, that’s it. And i’d darn well make sure I didn’t get pregnant in the meantime. But that’s me.

    By Renee

    March 14, 2006 11:18 AM | Link to this

    WOOOOO…so you know some parts of the secret lifestyle….AND??????

    Johns comment was that it is ignorant in itself to immediately equate the word gay to the intimate actions between two men in bed.

    Basically it boils down to this, if you don’t want to participate, then don’t. But don’t belittle something that you know nothing about (oh, I forgot you had a gay roommate) to try to elevate yourself to this facade of superiority.

    Oh, I forgot straight men have clean, immacculate sex. NOT!!! How many straight men go have sex with their mistress/wife/girlfriend, get up, don’t use a towel, tuck their little d_ back inside their underwear and commence to finishing their day…. W

    By Jack

    March 14, 2006 11:19 AM | Link to this

    “and for the record, I am not someone to complain about the occassional tooth or foreign object that comes with the territory, “

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! LMAO Chilao!

    By Mara

    March 14, 2006 11:20 AM | Link to this

    Am I the only one who notices that Mark doesn’t seem to like either women or gays? In regards to relationships, that doesn’t leave him many options, does it?

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    By RF

    March 14, 2006 11:23 AM | Link to this

    Mark- why is it that people feel so obligated to comment on a lifestyle they don’t understand? You’re not gay so you’re an expert on the lifestyle??? What a joke!

    Your obsession with discussing it would tend to indicate some hidden issues. Perhaps you were secretly curious in college?? Most people who so vehemently and ignorantly oppose it and yet obsessively discuss it in such detail are actually curious about it.

    And again, the motto for today is… Better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt

    By Mark

    March 14, 2006 11:26 AM | Link to this

    And here I thought you were just ignorant

    What part is ignorant? Are you going to lie and say that you have no such towels? Are you going to lie and say you do not have bowel issues for the folowing day?

    I could go on about the truths that are a part of your lifestyle. And to be clear again, you have the right to hump a tree if you want.

    Exactly how far in denial are you?

    And that was JUST my roomate. Your comment is just a diversion from you in order to sidestep the truth.

    By Renee

    March 14, 2006 11:26 AM | Link to this

    Standing ovation for RF!! I’m going to have to snatch the tiara from Net and pass it to you!!

    By Renee

    March 14, 2006 11:28 AM | Link to this

    It leaves him with the one-handed relationship Mara. Does cut down on drama though.=

    By Mark

    March 14, 2006 11:32 AM | Link to this

    Oh, I forgot straight men have clean, immacculate sex.

    It won’t get you sick or make you loose your stool while walking around town!

    Your obsession with discussing it would tend to indicate some hidden issues. Perhaps you were secretly curious in college??

    Thought about it back in college and nope, I did not care for a guys stain on my p@n!s. As stated now a third time, you can hump whatever your little heart desires, but do not lie and claim it is physically healthy or clean.

    By Renee

    March 14, 2006 11:33 AM | Link to this

    How is John’s retort your comment sidestepping the truth. Who gives a f_ if he has towels or doesn’t have towels…..oh, YOU want to know, sorry.

    You put your intimate details of your sex life out there and he might consider putting his out there, but from knowing John, he has too much class to do that.

    Personally, John, I think he’s trying to come on to you, and doesn’t know how to approach it correctly.

    By Chilao

    March 14, 2006 11:35 AM | Link to this

    RF - never got to congrat on that no doubt post yesterday, started to, then had a bad connection(I was home), then was gone.

    could be a daily motto here? LMAO

    I probably should not mention former girlfriends leaving soiled/dirty towels in my bathroom, and that was BEFORE they came to bed. LOL

    By Mark

    March 14, 2006 11:35 AM | Link to this

    I can explain the mating habits of a skink without being one or having sex with it.

    Or is that too hard of a concept for you to grasp???

    By RF

    March 14, 2006 11:38 AM | Link to this

    Bowel issues???? What the heck….???? Where did you hear that one? That’s news to me Markie. You have got to get out more dude.

    Renee- I’d love to hear Net’s take on this one!! I’ve never heard this kind of obsession with gay man’s lifestyle before!!

    By Mark

    March 14, 2006 11:38 AM | Link to this

    he has too much class to do that.

    But not enough to keep crap off his p@n!s. That is real classy!

    By Renee

    March 14, 2006 11:39 AM | Link to this

    It won’t get you sick or make you loose your stool while walking around town!

    I beg to differ. There are some sick, nasty straight men out there.

    In reality though, you have been focusing on the loose stools. Sounds like you are fishing for someone to loosen your stools. There are other ways to ask out these guys here without being an d_ about it.

    I think Mark is stating he would prefer to start off with something in his mouth, not his rear LOL

    By Jack

    March 14, 2006 11:40 AM | Link to this

    This debate has taken a wrong turn.

    By The72John

    March 14, 2006 11:42 AM | Link to this

    *What part is ignorant? Are you going to lie and say that you have no such towels? Are you going to lie and say you do not have bowel issues for the folowing day?

    I could go on about the truths that are a part of your lifestyle. And to be clear again, you have the right to hump a tree if you want.

    Exactly how far in denial are you?

    And that was JUST my roomate. Your comment is just a diversion from you in order to sidestep the truth.*

    Gee, aren’t we all thrilled that you’re here to share the TRUTH with us.

    Actually, I think RF may be right - maybe the one in denial is…you?

    You ASSUME you know what goes on in my bedroom - probably because you’ve spent a whole lot of time fantasizing about it yourself. But the fact of the matter is that you’re pretty much incorrect across the board.

    Incorrect assumptions - all gay men have “clean-up towels”. Incorrect assumption - all straight men DON’T have “clean-up towels”. Incorrect assumption - all gay men engage regularly in anal sex. Incorrect assumption - all straight men DON’T engage in anal sex with their girlfriends.

    You need to grow up, kid. Obsessing over sexual activity of other people is a sign of general immaturity. I’m guessing you are BARELY out of college, if you’ve even graduated.

    By Mark

    March 14, 2006 11:46 AM | Link to this

    Renee,

    English your second (third?) language?

    And the immature pokes will get you nowhere.

    RF- You see, after being streeeetched all night, my roomate and his friends would call it the drips. Maybe YOU should open your eyes more or check your underware…Or maybe your BF just has a little d!ck.

    By RF

    March 14, 2006 11:46 AM | Link to this

    Mark- do you have blood tests before every partner? Do you know for sure that your sex is “clean and healthy?” Check the stats on STD’s and how they’re contracted. You hetero boys are WAY too risky. Just because it’s a girl you’re with don’t make it no cleaner. Come on, be honest, you’ve never done the back door of some girl who was curious? Oh that’s right—-Left Hand Lucy doesn’t like that. Or is it Right Hand Rosie this week??

    BTW- you were the one who brought this whole graphic discussion. Noone was even discussing sex until you popped in with your obsessive talk. Sooooo, if it bothers you, don’t talk about it and don’t do it. You brought it up.

    By Renee

    March 14, 2006 11:47 AM | Link to this

    OMG…Mark is probably playing hooky today from school…now I feel bad for making my comments to a child..

    By Julia

    March 14, 2006 11:52 AM | Link to this

    Amen to that one Jack!

    Yikes folks! I can’t wait to see what we discuss NEXT…O_O

    By Mara

    March 14, 2006 11:52 AM | Link to this

    Jack, I agree. A very wrong turn. But then, I’d rather razz Mark about his obvious preoccupation with butts (and what goes into or comes out of them) than listen to his misogynistic rantings about the predatory or parasitic nature of any and all females.

    By Mark

    March 14, 2006 11:53 AM | Link to this

    Keep guessing.

    Is that the extent of your intelligence?

    Take care all - this is the most stupid crowd I have found on a blog yet!

    Remember! Do not shoot the dog with a peanut!

    By The72John

    March 14, 2006 11:53 AM | Link to this

    Seriously, this guy has issues. I’ve never heard ANYONE obsess so much over something he claims he finds so distasteful.

    By Renee

    March 14, 2006 11:56 AM | Link to this

    You’re right Mark. The immature pokes will get me nowhere. See, when I started I thought you were just an adult with no class, but now I see you are a child. Probably home from school, wanting to play with yourself, but your parents have the chatrooms and porno sites blocked. Therefore, you came up with the bright idea of making this blog into sex talk for your private gratification.

    We really need to get some parental controls on these blogs.

    By Whiley

    March 14, 2006 11:57 AM | Link to this

    Don’t you find it a little funny that boys never grow out of that obsession of talking about this sort of thing? They start as soon as they can talk about it. They seriously do ! lol

    By RF

    March 14, 2006 11:58 AM | Link to this

    I can explain the mating habits of a skink without being one or having sex with it.

    And I suspect the “skink” (I think you meant skunk)would probably not care one way or the other and would wonder why you were so intent on watching him in the first place. Just how much did your roommate expose you to for you to have such a nasty attitude? Did your roommate lose bowel control? Exactly how many times have you observed that phenomenon? Let’s see…..I’ll bet NONE!!

    By Mara

    March 14, 2006 11:59 AM | Link to this

    “Remember! Do not shoot the dog with a peanut”

    anybody care to tell me what this means, cuz really, it makes no sense. Even if I try to put all the derogatory meanings that I can think of onto the words, all I really come out with is “don’t screw an ugly chick (in the butt?) with your small weiner”…

    By Mara

    March 14, 2006 12:03 PM | Link to this

    RF - a skink is a type of lizard.

    By RF

    March 14, 2006 12:05 PM | Link to this

    Okay, let’s ditch the homophobe and move on.

    sounds like we’ve basically beaten the pre-nup talk to death.

    So what did you guys think of the Campbell verdict?

    By Chilao

    March 14, 2006 12:06 PM | Link to this

    RF - he was making a veiled lizard remark with the skink comment.

    We really need to get some parental controls on these blogs. I’m sure our columnists are working on that. LOL

    sorry for my comments in that regard.

    Mara’s translation over the peanut as good as any, I suppose. I could not understand it either. But then I’m not Hip (either). LOL

    By RF

    March 14, 2006 12:09 PM | Link to this

    Mara- really? I had no idea. See, you learn something new every day (and some of it you wish you hadn’t…but I digress!!)LOL Thanks for the info!!

    By Mark

    March 14, 2006 12:11 PM | Link to this

    RF - a skink is a type of lizard.

    Bravo! You are a smart one!

    By Mara

    March 14, 2006 12:16 PM | Link to this

    as they say “the day is never wasted if you learned something…”

    I didn’t really follow the Campbell thing. I assumed that he’d be found guilty, since the rumors of his shadiness had been circulating for so long without being soundly debunked, so just never paid much attention.

    By Jeff

    March 14, 2006 12:28 PM | Link to this

    Yes, marriage is a vow. I kept mine but she didn’t and I suffered for it, emotionally and financially. I then made myself a vow to not allow that to happen again. You can’t force someone to keep a vow and you never know who will break one (I was surprised). But, you can ensure your own protection if the other dishonors their vow to you.

    By Netbanker

    March 14, 2006 12:33 PM | Link to this

    Hi all! Very busy this week. I skimmed and didn’t see a response to Chuck…is he on ignore this week? Regardless there is a misconception he has that MUST be corrected about gay civil unions. There are over 1,100 federal rights granted by marriage that are NOT granted by a civil union or any other form of currently available legal documents. I’ll give you a concrete example Chuck that I’m reminded of every pay day. The portion of company paid health insurance that covers my domestic partner is taxed as income because we are not married. My heterosexual co-workers who are married do NOT get penalized for covering their spouses.

    Personal opinion on the topic is that marriage belongs to the church. If you don’t want any legal rights or prenups then you can have your religious ceremony and be married in the eyes of the church only (and live in Shaunti land). If you want legal rights you must sign the appropriate docs and perform whatever swearing of a pledge as is required by the civil authorities. We should separate the granting of legal status to religious ceremonies.

    By Whiley

    March 14, 2006 12:37 PM | Link to this

    Jeff I’m assuming it was the cheating vow she broke? Ouch that one hurts no matter who you are.

    By Netbanker

    March 14, 2006 12:42 PM | Link to this

    Renee…BACK WAY FROM THE TIARA!!!

    By Chilao

    March 14, 2006 12:42 PM | Link to this

    NetB - since marriage has historically been a religious institution as you point out, has anyone in the gay community addressed or even attempted to bring a lawsuit over the lack of civil unions for gays, as a Separation of Church and State issue? A lawsuit I would like to see, and I have no vested interest in there even being one. but one I would like to see. LOL Might have been a better lawsuit 10 years ago, due to our current Supreme Court makeup, but. I have no idea if anyone has even attempted that approach.

    By RF

    March 14, 2006 12:59 PM | Link to this

    Chilao- interesting idea but I doubt it’d get very far in the current court system. Marriage requires a license before the church is allowed to recognize it. Sooooo, in a sense, that is a little bit of mixing church and state isn’t it?

    Net- you weren’t here yesterday to help fend off the nasty, ignorant, poorly dressed fools, so Renee and I had to stand against them. I know, giggling Renee and non-stereotypical ME!!!LOLOL

    We did good though, so I got to wear the tiara for the afternoon. I put it back polished, since I knew you’d have a fit about it. I might have kept it, but I soooo don’t have the shoes to make it work!! ;-)

    By Renee

    March 14, 2006 01:00 PM | Link to this

    LOL @ Mara’s explanation. Works for me!

    A’ight Net!! I’m backing away….looks like we got to get u something else RF!!!

    By Renee

    March 14, 2006 01:03 PM | Link to this

    Here in Vermont, our Civil Unions give us all the same rights as a married couple except they won’t call it marriage. And even though the Civil Unions have been legal for a few years they still haven’t totally adapted to it.

    By Netbanker

    March 14, 2006 01:03 PM | Link to this

    Here’s my take…Mark is still p** that his college roommate wasn’t in love with him and spurned his affection.

    On the Campbell thing…You’ve got to be kidding about the verdicts! The jury got hung up over “On or about” in relation to a date?!! What a crock! Then again, it may not necessarily be the jury so much as the judge in giving instructions to the jury.

    RF…I’ll hand over the tiara voluntarily. I just didn’t want my hair mussed by Renee snatching it off my head.

    Renee…there’s a secret lifestyle? It must be really secret because I’ve been out for a while and didn’t even know about that.

    By Justin

    March 14, 2006 01:09 PM | Link to this

    You don’t have to be rich to need a prenup. I see many poor, middle income, and upper income men get taken advantage of in a divorce. If you have a penny, she feels entitled to it because of intimacy duties or because of her stretch marks from pregnancy.

    By Renee

    March 14, 2006 01:10 PM | Link to this

    LOL Net…I was being quite sarcastic about the secret lifestyle.

    I would never snatch the tiara, NET LOL.

    I agree with you Net on the verdict. The dates were the problem, not the act, but the dates LOL. Do you think he’ll get jail time for the tax evasion??

    By Netbanker

    March 14, 2006 01:12 PM | Link to this

    Chilao…I don’t think that legal case has been brought and I’m tad surprised actually. IMO the basis of the suit would be that one isn’t married in the eyes of the state without a signed marriage certificate and these can be signed by the religious figure who performed the religious ceremony. They are acting as an agent for the state, but there really isn’t any regulation around becoming a minister or validation of the signature afterward. One can become a minister over the internet for goodness sakes! Basically we have a religious figure granting legal rights by signing that certificate.

    RF and Renee…good job yesterday! No biggie on the tiara since it’s supposed be passed around. RF..what’s your shoe size? If it happens to be 9-9.5 I’ll give you pair from my collection.

    By Renee

    March 14, 2006 01:14 PM | Link to this

    So in what divorce situation if any, in your opinion, Justin, should a woman be entitled to any money? And, if you feel that the woman is NEVER entitled to any money at the time of divorce, surely the same goes for the man?

    By Jack

    March 14, 2006 01:23 PM | Link to this

    I’m surprised Bill didn’t walk.

    By Justin

    March 14, 2006 01:27 PM | Link to this

    Prenuptial agreements are necessary in this age of people who want others to take care of them.

    “Alimony is a system by which, when two people make a mistake, one of them keeps paying for it” Peggy Joyce

    “Alimony is a system by which, when two people make a mistake, one of them keeps paying for it” Groucho Marx

    “Alimony: The ransom that the happy pay to the devil” Henry Louis Mencken

    “If income tax is the price you have to pay to keep the government on its feet, alimony is the price we have to pay for sweeping a woman off hers.” Groucho Marx

    By Justin

    March 14, 2006 01:27 PM | Link to this

    Why you need a prenuptial agreement!

    Having a prenuptial marriage agreement does not mean that a couple is anticipating divorce.

    Financial matters need to be faced.

    Prenuptial agreements can preserve family ties and inheritance.

    If a future spouse won’t sign a prenuptial marriage agreement, it may be best to discover this before the wedding.

    The financial well-being of children from a previous marriage can be protected.

    Personal and business assets accumulated before the marriage are protected.

    A prenup puts financial expectations out on the table before the wedding.

    A prenuptial marriage agreement spells out which assets a spouse may want to give to children or other family members in the event of death.

    In the event of a divorce, a prenuptial agreement eliminates battles over assets and finances.

    By Mara

    March 14, 2006 01:28 PM | Link to this

    …she feels entitled to it because of intimacy duties or because of her stretch marks from pregnancy.

    Intimacy “duties”? What kind of marriage did you have if intimacy was defined as a “duty”? No wonder your so bitter.

    By Justin

    March 14, 2006 01:30 PM | Link to this

    Don’t marry in the following community property states… Arizona, California, Idaho, Louisiana, Nevada, New Mexico, Texas, Washington, Wisconsin, and the territory of Puerto Rico

    By Justin

    March 14, 2006 01:34 PM | Link to this

    Mara, Women think it is a “duty” and feel they should be paid.

    Renee, If one is an able-bodied individual and able to earn a living, you shouldn’t get alimony.

    By Justin

    March 14, 2006 01:37 PM | Link to this

    At least with a prenup, if a wife leaves, the man will know the costs. It will keep her hands off the a**ets his family worked for. I don’t feel anyone should financially gain from the hard work of someone else’s family, male or female.

    But, if women want alimony, men should go for it to. What is good for the goose is good for the gander.

    By Netbanker

    March 14, 2006 01:38 PM | Link to this

    Renee…I was just quoting you on the snatching thing. I’m doubting that Campbell will serve time. I do love your point about not worrying about whether what he did was right/wrong, but centered on WHEN. Then again there are legalities involved that provide loop holes, etc. I thought it telling that he decided not to testify at the last minute in order to avoid cross exams by the prosecution. And I wonder just how forgiving his wife will be after all this.

    Chilao…It just occurred to me that while marriage may be historically viewed as a religious institution I’m not sure that view is fully accurate given that it has pretty much been a means to gain the end. Marriage provided legitimacy to many unions throughout history that were/are purely for political or business advantage. Tribes have intermarried to avoid wars or gain allies (same with Royal Families) as well as to enrich a tribe or family. I think people forget that the death of the dowry is only recent in relation to the history of marriage. Marriage being about love is only a recent phenomenon.

    By Mara

    March 14, 2006 01:41 PM | Link to this

    uh, hate to break it to you Justin, but I am a woman and I don’t think it’s a duty so you might want to redifine just who or what you’re talking about. Your statement is patently false, all things considered. Some women think like this, but most women don’t.

    By AC/DC

    March 14, 2006 01:43 PM | Link to this

    FOR ALL OF YOU ON THE WRONG ROAD:

    Living easy, living free Season ticket on a one-way ride Asking nothing, leave me be Taking everything in my stride Don’t need reason, don’t need rhyme Ain’t nothing I would rather do Going down, party time My friends are gonna be there too

    I’m on the highway to hell No stop signs, speed limit Nobody’s gonna slow me down Like a wheel, gonna spin it Nobody’s gonna mess me round Hey Satan, payed my dues Playing in a rocking band Hey Momma, look at me I’m on my way to the promised land

    I’m on the highway to hell (Don’t stop me) And I’m going down, all the way down I’m on the highway to hell

    By The72John

    March 14, 2006 01:44 PM | Link to this

    I can’t imagine what kind of experience has caused Justin to be so absolutely bitter, but this is exactly the problem with looking at things through the lens of personal experience only. Justin had a bad experience and has obviously found web sites where people with similar bad experiences have congregated.

    It’s a mistake to assume that because a microcosm of people have experienced something negative that the experience in question is representative of typical situations. I’m sure there are women out there as jaded and bitter towards men and marriage as a result of opposite experiences.

    By Renee

    March 14, 2006 01:44 PM | Link to this

    okay, let me present this to you. I don’t think alimony should be paid in all situations, however I do see situation where alimony should be paid. Such as:

    One spouse (doesn’t matter if husband or wife) wants to pursue career goals while having children and married life. The couple together agrees the other spouse will stay home and raise the children. The “at home spouse” is not working, not in the job market and has lost touch with their skills. We will assume at divorce all children are teenagers. The divorce is due to career seeking spouse having an extramarital affair.

    I think in this situation, alimony should be paid. Spouses, whether out on making the bacon, or cooking the bacon, have played a vital role in the marriage. Without the supporting spouse, whether the working spouse wants to realize it or not, the marriage would not have been a marriage.

    By Justin

    March 14, 2006 01:46 PM | Link to this

    A Prenuptial Agreements is like an insurance policy. You do the paperwork, and then hope you’ll never need it.

    By Jack

    March 14, 2006 01:47 PM | Link to this

    “A prenuptial marriage agreement spells out which assets a spouse may want to give to children or other family members in the event of death.”

    Isn’t that what a will does? (BTW Mrs. Jack never looked at it as a “duty”)

    By Allstate

    March 14, 2006 01:50 PM | Link to this

    Allstate Insurance Reviews FSBO

    By Renee

    March 14, 2006 01:51 PM | Link to this

    There was definitely a method to his madness by not taking the witness stand. What was funny to me about that, is that he was adament that he couldn’t wait for the opportunity to speak to the jury. But I do think the prosecution was relatively unprepared. And any time you go in front of a jury with a bunch of witnesses who have their own plea agreements etc., you have lost a good deal of credibility.

    By Justin

    March 14, 2006 01:53 PM | Link to this

    Renee, In that case, the career seeking spouse should pay a fair amount of child support for the children and the stay at home spouse goes back to work with both having joint legal and physical custody of the children. The home is sold and the profits split or the stay at home spouse can stay in the home or whoever can afford the payment, with the other spouse getting their equity out of the home.

    By Renee

    March 14, 2006 01:53 PM | Link to this

    I wish I would get called to duty more often. LOL

    By Chilao

    March 14, 2006 01:56 PM | Link to this

    NetB - historically viewed as a religious. I was meaning recently(historically), since my first post on this subject yesterday questioned when it became ‘for love’; I suggested around Shakespeare’s time since marriage originally was primarily economic/political, as you point out as well.

    Is there not another term for that economic benefit related to ‘duty’? Oh, wait, that is selling a service.

    By WILL SMITH

    March 14, 2006 01:58 PM | Link to this

    wish you nig was dancin’ the jig here with this handsome kid ciga-cigar right from Cuba-Cuba I just bite it it’s for the look I don’t light it illway the amay on the anceday orflay* give it up jiggy make it feel like foreplay yo my carido is infinite ha ha big willie style’s all in it

    Chorus:

    na na na na na na na nana na na na na nana

    gettin jiggy wit it

    By Chilao

    March 14, 2006 02:01 PM | Link to this

    AC/DC - Can we get Hells Bells as well?

    Thanks.

    By Renee

    March 14, 2006 02:01 PM | Link to this

    Assuming they met in college, stay at home spouse is totally out of touch with the job market. Let’s say they met in undergraduate, married upon graduation and then only career spouse went to graduate school and obtained the career. If they have teenagers right now and stay at home spouse has, let’s say a B.S. in Business Management from 1990, they can’t fairly enter the job market right now, with no experience, nothing under their belt. Stay at home spouse sacrificed their career everything to make sure career spouse obtained the goals they wanted, now shouldn’t the same apply. Especially considering career spouse was the reason for dissolution of marriage. Alimony should at least be paid so stay at home spouse can go back to school, or something to be marketable.

    By GOB

    March 14, 2006 02:02 PM | Link to this

    Justin - What is it in your life that has caused such bitterness? I mean, I think we all have a pretty good idea, but did you get taken to the cleaners because the wife hired a better lawyer? Your attitude is very simple-minded, and really doesnt allow for reality to enter.

    In the case Renee mentioned, how difficult do you think it would be to re-enter the workforce after staying home to raise children through their teenage years? Not a lot of companies are wanting to bring in 40 year olds to their entry level positions.

    By Chilao

    March 14, 2006 02:03 PM | Link to this

    Now that is Love! Will is so in love with Jada he got the wrong blog. wasn’t paying attention. LOL

    By Renee

    March 14, 2006 02:03 PM | Link to this

    what’s up with the music lol???

    By Justin

    March 14, 2006 02:05 PM | Link to this

    The women are upset because signing a premarital agreement most often protects the man’s assets. Statistics state most women marry up or at least want to. With men, we will marry a woman from any economic background. Most women won’t do the same with men.

    By Justin

    March 14, 2006 02:11 PM | Link to this

    Renee, A fair alimony should be paid in that case for a set number of years in order to assist the spouse in obtaining employment. However, why go to college if you are going to be a stay at home mom unless you are home schooling the children?

    http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/AmericanFamily/story?id=1648502&page=1

    By Renee

    March 14, 2006 02:12 PM | Link to this

    Basically every divorce is unique to it’s own situations. So to make it across the board that nobody able bodied should get alimony is ridiculous. The situation has to be analzyed, hence a judge, and awarded accordingly.

    In a divorce, when you speak to both parties, generally speaking, they will both tell you how unfair the awards were, and how the other spouse pulled a fast one etc… Divorce is a nasty thing for all parties involved, but more for the children.

    By Mara

    March 14, 2006 02:13 PM | Link to this

    Since we’re doing requests AC/DC, could I request “Dirty Deeds (Done Dirt Cheap) and dedicate it to Justin? LOL!!

    Or how about “Givin’ the Dog a Bone” for Mark?

    By Justin

    March 14, 2006 02:13 PM | Link to this

    GOB, In divorce court, a man can have the best lawyer in the world and have a valid reason for the divorce, but once the woman uses tears…it is all over. Once a woman uses the children as revenge…it is all over. A good father will give up the fight just to protect his children from the emotional damage.

    By GOB

    March 14, 2006 02:15 PM | Link to this

    Justin - You are making an awful lot of blanket statements, yet doing nothing to back them up. It is no different than me saying most men named Justin like little boys. Without anything backing it up, it is just a random statement with no factual basis.

    By Renee

    March 14, 2006 02:16 PM | Link to this

    Okay Justin, these blanket statements.

    The women are upset because signing a premarital agreement most often protects the man’s assets.

    Ummm, I’m not upset, and I don’t want to speak for other women, but I don’t see anyone expressing being upset.

    With men, we will marry a woman from any economic background. Most women won’t do the same with men.

    You know this to be a fact??? Maybe you will marry a woman from any economic background but trust me when I tell you, there are many men who wont. And until you know most women or have legitimate statistics to back up your findings, you shouldn’t make those comments. Maybe the women you know, which if all the women you know fit this characteristic, maybe you should do self reevaluation to see why you attract these type of women.

    By GOB

    March 14, 2006 02:18 PM | Link to this

    Justin - Again, sweeping statements with nothing to back them up. If that is what happened in your situation, it is certainly unfortunate, however, I would expect that at least some family court judges are able to see through this tactic. If it is so obvious to you, then I am guessing at least a judge or two are picking up on it as well, and likely not falling for it.

    By RF

    March 14, 2006 02:18 PM | Link to this

    Jack- you should be proud that mrs. jack didn’t see it as a duty. That’s a credit to your determination and skill!!

    Net- it’s 10.5 to 11 shoe size…so is it true what they say about a man’s shoe size?? So far, I believe it is, but my research hasn’t been very extensive. I knew better than to touch the tiara. The hairdo alone to hold that thing up—you have to pile it up and ‘jack it to jeeesus’.

    I couldn’t believe the Campbell jury couldn’t handle the ‘on or about’ part. Does it matter if it was the 8th or 9th?? Debardelaben testified he put the envelope of money in the golf bag and the next day Campbell left town. Hmmmmmm, it ain’t rocket science!!

    Renee- I’m with ya on the duty! I’ve been off the active duty list WAY toooo long!!!LOLOL

    By RF

    March 14, 2006 02:20 PM | Link to this

    Mara-Or how about “Givin’ the Dog a Bone” for Mark? Good one!!!

    By Whiley

    March 14, 2006 02:21 PM | Link to this

    Justin, a good father won’t do all the things that actually cause a divorce.

    By GOB

    March 14, 2006 02:21 PM | Link to this

    “Once a woman uses the children as revenge…it is all over. A good father will give up the fight just to protect his children from the emotional damage.”

    Wouldnt a good father fight to keep his children from being raised by someone who would resort to that kind of tactic?

    By AC/DC

    March 14, 2006 02:22 PM | Link to this

    THANKS FOR THE REQUEST…

    I’m a rolling thunder, a pouring rain I’m comin’ on like a hurricane My lightning’s flashing across the sky You’re only young but you’re gonna die I won’t take no prisoners, won’t spare no lives Nobody’s putting up a fight I got my bell, I’m gonna take you to hell I’m gonna get you, Satan get you

    CHORUS: Hell’s Bells Yeah, Hell’s Bells You got me ringing Hell’s Bells My temperature’s high, Hell’s Bells

    I’ll give you black sensations up and down your spine If you’re into evil you’re a friend of mine See my white light flashing as I split the night ‘Cause if good’s on the left, then I’m stickin’ to the right I won’t take no prisoners, won’t spare no lives Nobody’s puttin’ up a fight I got my bell, I’m gonna take you to hell I’m gonna get you, Satan get you

    CHORUS yeow Hell’s Bells, Satan’s comin’ to you Hell’s Bells, he’s ringing them now Hell’s Bells, the temperature’s high Hell’s Bells, across the sky Hell’s Bells, they’re takin’ you down Hell’s Bells, they’re draggin’ you around Hell’s Bells, gonna split the night Hell’s Bells, there’s no way to fight, yeah Ow, ow, ow, ow Hell’s Bells

    By Justin

    March 14, 2006 02:22 PM | Link to this

    I will say the majority of women, but not all…

    By Whiley

    March 14, 2006 02:23 PM | Link to this

    “However, why go to college if you are going to be a stay at home mom unless you are home schooling the children?”

    lolol ! What a little sexist pig Justin is. Hilarious. Now go to your room little boy.

    By Justin

    March 14, 2006 02:27 PM | Link to this

    A good father puts his children first even if the mother is a jerk. Who said the good father did cause the divorce? Women cheat too.

    By AC/DC

    March 14, 2006 02:28 PM | Link to this

    THIS ONES GOES OUT TO JUSTIN FROM MARA: DIRTY DEEDS (DONE DIRT CHEAP)

    If you’re havin’ trouble with your high school head He’s givin’ you the blues You wanna graduate but not in ‘is bed Here’s what you gotta do - Pick up the phone I’m always home Call me any time Just ring 36 24 36 hey I lead a life of crime

    Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap Dirty Deeds and they’re Done Dirt Cheap

    You got problems in your life of love You got a broken heart (She’s) He’s double dealin’ with your best friend That’s when the teardrops start - fella Pick up the phone I’m here alone Or make a social call Come right in Forget about him We’ll have ourselves a ball

    Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap Dirty Deeds and they’re Done Dirt Cheap

    If you got a lady and you want her gone But you ain’t got the guts She keeps naggin’ at you night and day Enough to drive you nuts - Pick up the phone Leave her alone It’s time you made a stand For a fee I’m happy to be Your back door man

    Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap Dirty Deeds and they’re Done Dirt Cheap

    Concrete shoes, cyanide, TNT Done Dirt Cheap Neckties, contracts, high voltage Done Dirt Cheap

    By Scalia

    March 14, 2006 02:29 PM | Link to this

    Boy, you get busy and the whole conversation goes to pot. What is up with that Mark fellow? He sure did paint a sordid picture.

    The whole alimony, etc….I really have nothing to say on the matter. Everything seems to have been presented. Keep up the good work, people. Diane, I love the lingo. The divorce rate being off the chain was hilarious. I’m glad that she injected some humor in her writing. Except for Fridays, people can get all up in folks grillz.

    I’m still excited because my Puerto Rico put a hurtin on the Dominican Republic.

    By AC/DC

    March 14, 2006 02:31 PM | Link to this

    THIS ONE GOES OUT TO MARK FROM MARA: GIVIN’ THE DOG A BONE

    She take you down easy Going down to her knees Going down to the devil Down down at ninety degrees She blowing me crazy ‘til my ammunition is dry She’s using her head again She’s using her head She’s using her head again I’m justa giving the dog a bone Giving the dog a bone, giving the dog a bone Giving the dog a bone, giving the dog a bone

    She’s no Mona Lisa No she’s no playboy star But she’ll send you to heaven Then explode you to Mars She’s using her head again She’s using her head She’s using her head again I’m justa giving the dog a bone Giving the dog a bone, giving the dog a bone Giving the dog a bone, giving the dog a bone

    She’s got the power of union She only hits when it’s hot And if she likes what you’re doing She’ll give you the lot give it everything I got Just giving the dog a bone

    Giving the dog a bone, giving the dog a bone Giving the dog a bone, giving the dog a bone Giving the dog a bone, giving the dog a bone Giving the dog a bone, giving the dog a bone

    I’m justa giving the dog a bone Giving the dog a bone, giving the dog a bone I’m justa giving the dog a bone

    By Justin

    March 14, 2006 02:32 PM | Link to this

    And sometimes it is because her single girlfriends encourage the breakup…misery loves company…

    DIVORCE AND MARRIAGE AFFECT BLACK CHILDREN MORE May 25, 2005

    Divorce and marriage play much bigger economic roles for black children than white children in the United States, according to a new study by two UC Davis economists. Marianne Page and Ann Huff Stevens find that in the first two years following a divorce, family income among white children falls about 30 percent, while it falls by 53 percent among black children. “This difference increases dramatically in the long run,” Page and Stevens write. “Three or more years after the divorce, about a third of the loss in whites’ household income is recouped, but the income of black families barely improves.”

    In fact, three or more years after the divorce, the black families’ income remains 47 percent lower than if the parents had remained together. Marriage appears to have even greater benefits for black children whose single mothers marry than for their white counterparts, according to the study.

    Page and Stevens estimate that while the family income of white children rises by 45 percent when their single parent marries, the family income of black children rises by 81 percent with marriage. One reason for the difference in improvement is that married black mothers are more likely to work than married white mothers. On the other hand, when divorce occurs, the probability of black mothers working does not change, while recently divorced white women have an 18 percent greater probability of working.

    The study, published in the February 2005 issue of Demography, followed a nationally representative, longitudinal survey of Americans conducted by the University of Michigan’s Institute for Social Research.

    By Renee

    March 14, 2006 02:33 PM | Link to this

    However, why go to college if you are going to be a stay at home mom unless you are home schooling the children?

    Under your reasoning, the divorced spouse could not be a stay at home mom or dad. If they are able-bodied, then they should be working, correct?

    By GOB

    March 14, 2006 02:34 PM | Link to this

    “A good father puts his children first even if the mother is a jerk.”

    Justin - If women (or at least the one you seem to be remembering) was that bad, i think you were doing your children a huge dis-service in letting her raise them. Think of the influence a parent has on the attitudes of the children. The kids will grow up and be very much like the mother. How will you feel then? It sounds like you arent giving up for the sake of the children, but because you dont really believe in what you are saying. If you did, you would be a worse parent than the mother.

    By Mara

    March 14, 2006 02:35 PM | Link to this

    Scalia - what were they (PR v DR) involved in to get you so excited?

    By Jack

    March 14, 2006 02:36 PM | Link to this

    RF. My father told me to make sure I do my “homework” or someone else will. I took him seriously and told my sons as well.

    By Mara

    March 14, 2006 02:38 PM | Link to this

    Thanks AC/DC!

    By Whiley

    March 14, 2006 02:39 PM | Link to this

    Renee, you can try to explain to some men about the danger of staying at home & being out of the job market for years, you can try to explain the workload of a wife, particularly a wife that works outside the home. You can attempt to explain why a stay at home wife even if she has no children is worth something after so many years. You can try to explain why divorce is much harder on a woman, even more so if she has children, & you can try to explain how a measly $500 or so a month doesn’t pay for squat when you have kids. You can try all day long but it will fall on a lot of deaf sexist ears. The only ones that “get” it are the ones who are good husbands, fathers & all around fabulous men. Those are the ones that have the good life, with the good wife, great kids, & stay together forever. My guess is because they do their fair share & aren’t S@@#$@# heads.

    All the women I know do not seek to marry dead beat losers that can’t hold down a job. What’s wrong with that?
    Equally the men I know have no interest in having a long term relationship with any women that job hops, can’t pay her own bills, etc. Seriously folks, when a woman does marry down & bad things start to happen, it’s her fault for being so stupid. I’d rather be called a gold digger. (a digger that has to work full time & do all the cleaning)

    By Whiley

    March 14, 2006 02:41 PM | Link to this

    There ya go Justin honey, good job with the cut & paste again. Good boy, now go to your room.

    By Jack

    March 14, 2006 02:45 PM | Link to this

    Money causes more marital problems than infidelity so why shouldn’t a woman “marry up”? And if your wife considers sex a duty and you are ok with that then you have a problem.

    By Justin

    March 14, 2006 02:45 PM | Link to this

    I fought the best I could under the known gender bias in the Georgia courts. I have joint legal and have the children 40% of the time. However, her negativity is affecting the children by putting them in the middle. She tries to make them choose, I give them the out by letting them use code words to tell me they love me or need to speak with me. It lets them off the hook so that she can’t do more emotional damage. She also plays favorites. If one child tells her everything that happens at my house, how it is decorated, what they eat, activities, who calls, who visits, etc. then she gives them a special treat. How does one counteract this? How does one prove this in court? All the while, I see the children emotionally damaged.

    By Justin

    March 14, 2006 02:48 PM | Link to this

    Whiley, was probably one of her friends…

    However, she probably needed friends more like Mara and Renee…

    By Chilao

    March 14, 2006 02:54 PM | Link to this

    Mara - Scalia is talking about the ongoing International World Series of Baseball. (I think)

    By Justin

    March 14, 2006 02:56 PM | Link to this

    Working wives now contribute more than a third of the typical family’s income; in a third of married households, they’re the bigger breadwinner. Why should they gain the most financially in a divorce?

    As far as the issue about women make less money than men, they tend to select lower paying professions.

    By The72John

    March 14, 2006 02:57 PM | Link to this

    Ok, but here’s the thing…if what you say is true then your ex-wife is a bad person. No question.

    But just because YOUR divorce is bitter and divisive doesn’t mean EVERYONE’s was.

    By Renee

    March 14, 2006 03:01 PM | Link to this

    Justin, your situation seems to have been very messy, as divorce’s can be. But you run the risk of becoming exceptionally close-minded if you take your situation to be the norm. While your ex-wife may be playing games and doing underhanded things, this does not mean all or even most women will act in this same fashion.

    Additionally, what I have learned over the years, is that there are always two sides. One may be more at fault with behavior, but both sides have played a role in the breakdown of the marriage, the divorce, lack of communication etc…

    By GOB

    March 14, 2006 03:05 PM | Link to this

    “As far as the issue about women make less money than men, they tend to select lower paying professions.”

    What is the basis for this statement? Study after study have shown that women tend to make about a third less than men do for doing the exact same job, often at the same company.

    By RF

    March 14, 2006 03:07 PM | Link to this

    Justin- gender bias is changing a bit, but not much where children are concerned. Just don’t let one crazy one influence your opinion of them all. As you’ve obviously seen here, some women have been burned too, and there are some very strong women out there who know better.

    Ever thought about hiring a private eye to ‘check things out’ for you? It’d almost be worth it with the way she’s treating the kids. Hard not to get bitter, huh?

    By BILL CLINTON

    March 14, 2006 03:10 PM | Link to this

    YOWSAH!!! Can I get in on this conversation? OK, first of all I never slept with that woman. (Sleeping’s the LAST thing I wanted to do with her…if ya know what I mean.)LOL

    Why aren’t there more dubya jokes on here? Those always crack me up! ha ha

    I’ve seen a towel beside Hilary’s bedside….what does that mean? Hmmm…you don’t think she’s gay do you???

    Remind me to tell ya about the time I went skydiving with the 3 waitresses from Indiana. They got confused. “I said pull the RIP CORD!!!” Well, anyway…better not tell the rest of that story.

    Hey can I make a song request too? How about either “Little Willy” or “Baby Got Back”.

    I’ll check in on you crazy guys later. My brunch date just showed up. EWWWW-WEEEE!!! YOWSAH BABY!!!!

    By Justin

    March 14, 2006 03:11 PM | Link to this

    RF, yes it is hard not to be bitter.

    And to all the women who are good women, I sincerely apologize.

    By Mara

    March 14, 2006 03:12 PM | Link to this

    Chilao - International baseball huh? (yawn) at least that’s better than soccer…

    Whiley, while one certainly doesn’t want to get into a relationship with a mooch, male or female, I certainly have no gripe about being the primary support for my family. I knew when I married my honey that his distaste for authority would hamper him financially. Before I met him I was lucky enough to emerge from a relationship with a financially successful jerk with a penchant for cheating and slapping me around. I learned real quick that a good heart beat out a fat wallet every time. But then, being the smart girl you are, you probably know that too! :^)

    By Justin

    March 14, 2006 03:12 PM | Link to this

    72John, Yes, she is…I never thought I would be divorced but here I am…

    By Zack

    March 14, 2006 03:15 PM | Link to this

    Diane,

    Care to elaborate on my post yesterday? What are you so worried about? Men are the ones who get taken advantage of by the courts, not women. Women, not men, are the ones the State funds en route to that event happening. The fact that women get automatic child custody is beyond the point of inexplicable, as are the above events in the previous paragraph. Honestly, the way men are treated today is somewhat similar to how Blacks were treated before 1865. Exploitation is exploitation. If you haven’t thought much about what I’ve said, please do. Please educate yourself on these topics. If you hear the feminists say they’re out for equality, believe me; they’re lying through their teeth. Their track record indicates that they’re out for special privileges without responsibilities…and we’re OBLIGING them. Yes, actions speak louder than words. Thank you, Diane Glass. Don’t be fooled by her “I love you”s, guys. Get it in actions.

    By Justin

    March 14, 2006 03:18 PM | Link to this

    RF, I can’t afford a PI. By the time, I pay child support and the expenses at my home, I don’t have much left over. I also pay the child care expenses when the children are with me and all their expenses during the summer months (camp, etc.). And, my ex makes more than I do. I am looking forward to the law changing to Income Shares in July. I will have more money to put the children in a better camp this summer and put aside money for their college education. She is not saving a dime! She has been on an intense spending spree since the divorce.

    By GOB

    March 14, 2006 03:21 PM | Link to this

    “International baseball huh? (yawn) at least that’s better than soccer…”

    Mara - That just hurts…

    By Justin

    March 14, 2006 03:24 PM | Link to this

    Zack,

    Very true…it is automatic that a woman gets the children. It doesn’t matter if the father is the better parent or was the primary caregiver.

    By Whiley

    March 14, 2006 03:28 PM | Link to this

    Justin honey, we’ve all been divorced (most of us anyway), we’ve all be cheated on, used, you name it. Just learn from your mistakes & try not to hate no matter how irritating the opposite sex is. Both of us can ramble on & on (and I do) about the evils of the opposite sex. Trust me you’re lucky. If you are smart & use birth control you’ll stay out of danger. Now me being female there’s more BS I’m forced to deal with. Life ain’t fair & it ain’t gonna change much because there will always be stupid people, & a lot of them work for the government. You can change yourself & who you associate with.

    Mara good for you for surviving that bad marriage. Abuse is in all tax brackets unfortunately. I wouldn’t financially support my husband unless he was doing all the cooking, cleaning, shopping, laundry etc.

    By MUSIC MAN

    March 14, 2006 03:31 PM | Link to this

    OK, THIS ONES FOR THE FORMER PRESIDENT…HERE YOU GO BILL:

    Little Willy knows a secret Little Willy likes to lie He is getting so excited Willy’s a very emotional guy

    chorus I said little Willy likes to bang his drum (Little Willy’s in the band) Little Willy he ain’t so dumb (Little Willy shrinks up when the girls go chilly Takes a whole lot of lovin’ just to warm up Willy)

    Little Willy doesn’t get nervous and he ain’t shy Unless lovely ladies make fun of his size

    chorus solo Little Willy (3x) - he’s gonna cry Little Willy (3x) - zip up his fly chorus rap

    By Jack

    March 14, 2006 03:34 PM | Link to this

    Justin. Just hope and pray that when your children grow up they will see what your ex has done by trying to use them as pawns. When they do, they will love you more than ever. Try not to let her influence your views about all women, if you do you will end up alone and no one wants to see that.

    By Justin

    March 14, 2006 03:43 PM | Link to this

    Jack, Thanks…I have been through the ringer. People keep saying, Get a lawyer, fight, but it takes money. And, I am in short supply of that. My parents chip in with the perks, passes to the Georgia Aquarium, etc. It seems as if all I have worked for has gone down the tubes. And, I am afraid by the time she goes through what she got out of the marriage, the children will be left with nothing.

    Now, she is on this kick for the children to attend Woodward Academy. Heck, when we were married, we couldn’t afford Woodward. She is living in some dream world and feel I should financially support her every whim. That is one of the issues we had, her spending. She wanted custom draperies, I thought JCPenney was suitable. She wanted to spend every dime to keep up with what she thought was her standing in society. Yet, I wanted to save for the future.

    By Lyrazel

    March 14, 2006 03:47 PM | Link to this

    Reading all the chatter about marriage, divorce, cheats, mean scum of the earth and child support woes really makes me wonder WHY people need marriage at all?

    By kimberly

    March 14, 2006 03:52 PM | Link to this

    Lyzarel, A-MEN, sister! Justin, YOU married her. Duh. We all screw up. Some of us can admit it, learn, and move on.

    By Mara

    March 14, 2006 03:52 PM | Link to this

    whiley, I didn’t marry the a-hole, but I did stay with him far longer than I should have (somehow he made the “I swear, it’ll never happen again!” believable each and every time…). And I do admit that when the Mr. isn’t working, the house literally shines. He’s much better at those chores than I, lol!

    GOB, I like the shorts, but the games are soooooo long and boring…

    By Mara

    March 14, 2006 03:54 PM | Link to this

    Anyhoooo. By the tick-tock of the clock…I’m outta here.

    kiss-kiss

    By Jack

    March 14, 2006 03:56 PM | Link to this

    Lyrazel where have you been? You have been missed!

    By MUSIC MAN

    March 14, 2006 03:59 PM | Link to this

    “LOVE STINKS”

    You love her But she loves him And he loves somebody else Ya just can’t win And so it goes Till the day you die This thing they call love It’s gonna make you cry I’ve had the blues The reds and the pinks One thing’s for sure

    Love stinks Love stinks yeah yeah Love stinks Love stinks yeah yeah Love stinks Love stinks yeah yeah Love stinks Love stinks yeah yeah

    Two by two and side by side Love’s gonna find you yes it is Ya just can’t hide You’ll hear it call Your heart will fall Then love will fly It’s gone that’s all I don’t care what any Casanova thinks All I can say is Love stinks

    Love stinks Love stinks yeah yeah Love stinks Love stinks yeah yeah Love stinks Love stinks yeah yeah Love stinks Love stinks yeah yeah

    I’ve been through diamonds I’ve been through minks I’ve been through it all Love stinks

    Love stinks Love stinks yeah yeah Love stinks Love stinks yeah yeah Love stinks Love stinks yeah yeah Love stinks Love stinks yeah yeah

    Love stinks

    By Jack

    March 14, 2006 04:04 PM | Link to this

    Hi Kim :)

    By MUSIC MAN

    March 14, 2006 04:22 PM | Link to this

    Love Hurts——Nazareth

    Love hurts, Love scars, Love wounds and mars Any heart not tough or strong enough To take a lot of pain, take a lot of pain Love is like a cloud, it holds a lot of rain Love hurts, Ooo-oo Love hurts

    I’m young, I know, But even so I know a thing or two - I learned from you I really learned a lot, really learned a lot Love is like a flame It burns you when it’s hot Love hurts, Ooo-oo Love hurts

    Some fools think of happiness, blissfulness, togetherness Some fools fool themselves, I guess They’re not foolin’ me I know it isn’t true I know it isn’t true Love is just a lie made to make you blue Love hurts, Ooo-oo Love hurts

    Solo

    I know it isn’t true I know it isn’t true Love is just a lie made to make you blue Love hurts, Ooo-oo Love hurts Ooo-oo, Love hurts Ooo-oo

    By Eirik

    March 14, 2006 04:36 PM | Link to this

    Music Man,

    I feel like I’m in a Pizza Hut back in 1977…thanks..

    By Trent

    March 14, 2006 04:40 PM | Link to this

    Wish

    this is the first day of my last days

    i built it up now i take it apart climbed up real high now fall down real far

    no need for me to stay the last thing left i just threw it away

    i put my faith in god and my trust in you

    now there’s nothing more f—ked up i could do

    wish there was something real wish there was something true

    wish there was something real in this world full of you

    i’m the one without a soul i’m the one with this big f—king hole

    no new tale to tell twenty-six years on my way to h-ll

    gotta listen to your big time hard line bad luck fist f-ck

    don’t think you’re having all the fun

    you know me i hate everyone

    wish there was something real wish there was something true

    wish there was something real in this world full of you

    i want to but i can’t turn back

    but i want to

    By Chilao

    March 14, 2006 04:51 PM | Link to this

    I feel like I’m in a Pizza Hut back in 1977

    or listening to a classic-schmock station.

    By MUSIC MAN

    March 14, 2006 05:02 PM | Link to this

    Your welcome Eirik!

    One pepperoni-mushroom-extra cheese to go. :)

    By Netbanker

    March 14, 2006 05:06 PM | Link to this

    Well it’s been an afternoon of meetings and I see I have a lot of catch up reading.

    RF…don’t really know about the shoe size connection for sure because I’m not usually concerned about feet when in a position to be able to know…I get a bit distracted that way.

    On a totally different subject all together I read about a report that says since 1995 infertility in young women has increased by approximately 20% and there was also an increase in male infertility. Why do I mention this? Well since we already crossed the homo threshold caution to the wind and full speed ahead! It helps explain the decline in abortions and unwanted pregnancy far better than abstinence only programs or other explanations. I’ll get more of the details, but this came to mind. Busy week coming up including a move to a new office.

    TIM!! I can’t believe I missed him! Good to know he’s doing well as far as we can tell.

    By Lyrazel

    March 15, 2006 09:05 AM | Link to this

    How many men and women friends do you have who say the mantra: If I had not married I would be so better off….

    The problem with pre-nups and marriage is the fact most young people marry without assets but attach grandiose expectations to their partner. Their pre-nups cover aspects of behavior like: will pick up clothes, will have sex 5 times a week, will get groceries, etc. Most newlyweds do not have big assets and are of belief they will get them. A popular trend is a preconceived notion that having him spend 6 months salary on a diamond ring is going to show how much he cares. This coming from young adults who have been in college for 4 years who have either been given money by their parents for tuition (and thus have a notion money happens) or have assumed debts amounting to $10-70,000. Add on the 2 car/2 cellphone/cable/internet/new tv/2 ipods/game-system/computers/rent-mortgage/2 car insurance, home insurance/health insurance expenses this bubbly newlywed family takes on—and even if they go the lovebird nest with the one-room flat…its not going to be the dream Madison Ave. has taught them to believe they are entitled to. As their lofty expectations start to crumble and disintegrate into blame—blame him for destroying all her dreams—blame her for getting fat — both realize that 6 months of salary she is wearing on her finger would look really good in a bank when that pink slip happens or that baby comes…Its delusional to think co-habitation problems will be solved with marriage and yet how many couples still use having children to cement their relationship?

    Ask any divorcee (male or female) to enter a marriage without an understanding of assets and you get answers that are predictable: use of a third finger, My A-s-s! Somehow the charming picket fence idyll is lost to the hours there was not enough child support, the car is 8 years old and gave out today, nobody to call and pick up the sick kid from daycare—and if you leave and you are terminated, etc, etc, etc. A divorcee has a clearer reality of a union and of the person to be wed and has eliminated the haze of romantic entitlement notions—to deal with debt, who owns the house, who will provide child support for a baby from a previous relationship, who will not provide child support in lieu of making payments on her Porsche, and other forms of love in 21st century.

    By Jack K

    March 15, 2006 09:36 AM | Link to this

    What’s the discussion about today? What a d!ck looks like after it has VD? How about genital warts?

    Orrr….we could always discuss pre-nups. (Nah.)

    Just to get it over with: some men and some women suck, not all marriages are perfect but you’re supposed to hang in there and try to make it work (not always possible though), no bashing of gay people because they just want to live their lives the way they see fit (in peace & with full rights as afforded everyone else), and abortion is off-topic because we can’t agree on it.

    If still taking requests I’d like to make one too. Flashing back to the 70’s/80’s and Pizza Hut or Pizza Inn….how about Blinded By The Light, Dreamweaver, Lovin Touchin Squeezin, Dream On, Fooled Around And Fell In Love, Hot Blooded, Radar Love, or Dust In The Wind? Heck, throw in a little Bee Gees or KC & the Sunshine Band while you’re at it.

    Pick any of the above (I don’t expect all of them)-just one or two please.

    Pizza sounds good for lunch today. (Remember when pizza joints all had juke boxes? Those were the days.)

    By Julia

    March 15, 2006 09:43 AM | Link to this

    RIGHT ON Lyrazel!

    By Julia

    March 15, 2006 09:55 AM | Link to this

    Oh, my request is “I’m Not In Love” by 10cc. Thanks.

    I like your choices too Jack K.

    By kimberly

    March 15, 2006 10:07 AM | Link to this

    What a great commentary, Lyrazel! Young people see marriage as a fix-all, or a means to greater things. They don’t understand that the marriage IS what requires the work, effort, and sacrifice. If people understood that going in, a lot fewer would go into it. (But if you try to tell them, you’re a “cynic.”) Heh… thankfully we live & learn.

    By kimberly

    March 15, 2006 10:09 AM | Link to this

    Julia, I think you misunderstood me the other day. I never meant to say that you’d never find what you want. What I meant was this: It won’t come knocking at your door. If you WANT that fish, then you need to get BUSY. Prep your bait, bait your hook, take it to fertile waters, cast that line over and over, and prepare for a long, EXHAUSTING day of strategic reeling. The old saying comes to mind: “If you give a man a fish, he eats for a day. If you give a man religion, he starves to death praying for a fish.” Don’t starve to death, Julia. If you want that fish, GET BUSY and GO GET IT. Don’t waste a single minute getting older, ‘cause that won’t help. ‘kay? {:->

    By Jack

    March 15, 2006 10:15 AM | Link to this

    Hi Kim. (You and Julia are fine “catches”, be patient. :)

    By MUSIC MAN

    March 15, 2006 10:17 AM | Link to this

    Good morning guys and gals. The weather’s lookin’ pretty good with a possible high of 75 today. Everybody take it easy and have a great day. Kick back & take your shoes off. Listen to some tunes and try to let the love flow.

    We have a request from Jack K to kick us off on this sunny day.

    “DREAM ON” by Aerosmith

    Everytime that I look in the mirror All these lines on my face gettin’ clearer The past is gone It went by like dust to dawn Isn’t that the way Everybody’s got their dues in life to pay

    I know what nobody knows Where it comes and where it goes I know it’s everybody’s sin You got to lose to know how to win

    Half my life is in books’ written pages Live and learn from fools and from sages You know it’s true All the things come back to you

    Sing with me, sing for the years Sing for the laughter, sing for the tears Sing with me, if it’s just for today Maybe tomorrow the good lord will take you away (x2)

    Dream on, dream on Dream yourself a dream come true Dream on, dream on Dream until your dream come true Dream on, dream on, dream on…

    Sing with me, sing for the years Sing for the laughter and sing for the tears Sing with me, if it’s just for today Maybe tomorrow the good lord will take you away

    By kimberly

    March 15, 2006 10:26 AM | Link to this

    Thanks Jack, but it’s too late for me. But not for her, which is what I wanted her to understand. (Why should I buy a whole pig when all I need is a little sausage?) Hahaha!

    By Jack

    March 15, 2006 10:27 AM | Link to this

    How bout “Stairway to Heaven”. Us heathens like that one.

    By WaynesWorld

    March 15, 2006 10:33 AM | Link to this

    NO Stairway to Heaven, (pointing to the sign) LMAO

    By Julia

    March 15, 2006 10:38 AM | Link to this

    I do understand what you’re saying Kimberly. I really do. I do believe in the power of prayer though. And I know I also have to take action as well.

    I’m not p.o.’d about the other day. I think I was just having an unusually bad day/week. I understand what you were trying to say. No harm done.

    You sound like a very strong woman and I admire that…alot! :)

    By Julia

    March 15, 2006 10:40 AM | Link to this

    Thank you Jack. You’re the best! ;)

    By kimberly

    March 15, 2006 10:46 AM | Link to this

    Forget Stairway to Heaven. Here’s Black Sabbath’s Heaven and Hell:

    Sing me a song, you’re a singer Do me a wrong, you’re a bringer of evil The Devil is never a maker The less that you give, you’re a taker So it’s on and on and on, it’s Heaven and Hell, oh well

    The lover of life’s not a sinner The ending is just a beginner The closer you get to the meaning The sooner you’ll know that you’re dreaming So it’s on and on and on, oh it’s on and on and on It goes on and on and on, Heaven and Hell I can tell, fool, fool!

    Well if it seems to be real, it’s illusion For every moment of truth, there’s confusion in life Love can be seen as the answer, but nobody bleeds for the dancer And it’s on and on, on and on and on….

    They say that life’s a carousel Spinning fast, you’ve got to ride it well The world is full of Kings and Queens Who blind your eyes and steal your dreams It’s Heaven and Hell, oh well And they’ll tell you black is really white The moon is just the sun at night And when you walk in golden halls You get to keep the gold that falls It’s Heaven and Hell, oh no! Fool, fool! You’ve got to bleed for the dancer! Fool, fool! Look for the answer! Fool, fool, fool!

    By Netbanker

    March 15, 2006 11:00 AM | Link to this

    Way off topic, but a follow up to last week’s tort reform. Sorry about the copy paste, but very little time today. Found bolded paragraph to be interesting way to pad the numbers.

    “Math Divides Critics As Startling Toll of Torts Is Added Up”
    Wall Street Journal (03/13/06) P. A2

    Chief executives are feeling the increased pressure of the tort system, and a recent report issued by Tillinghast gauging the costs of the U.S. tort system, figures that the group expects to continue rising over the next several years. The costs for 2004 were estimated at $260 billion, and the group expects tort costs to rise to $315 billion by 2007, which means those costs will outpace the economy’s expansion.

    These figures are often used by the Bush Administration to tout his latest reform packages for the tort system, but there are many critics of Tillinghast’s studies, who claim that the numbers are flawed because many of the payments counted are not doled out by legal action.

    For instance, when an insurance company pays an auto insurance claim, Tillinghast counts those as tort costs even though the parties did not enter the courtroom.

    The Consumer Federation of American notes that many of the figures used by the group are inflated, and insurance costs should not be counted as costs of the tort system unless cases are litigated.

    Critics have claimed that the Tillinghast studies are measuring the wrong data, and state that the group should begin including information about how high medical malpractice insurance premiums can become a disincentive for medical students to become obstetricians, for example.

    Since I just had a birthday…I’d like to request “Forever Young”

    OH..OH…Did anyone see Boston Legal last night? Boy did they take the American people to task for our silence!

    By MUSIC MAN

    March 15, 2006 11:00 AM | Link to this

    We’re breakin in for a request from Julia. Just for you darling.

    “I’m Not In Love” by 10cc

    I’m not in love So don’t forget It’s just a silly phase I’m going through And just because I call you up Don’t get me wrong Don’t think you’ve got it made I’m not in love Oh no It’s because

    I’d like to see you But then again It doesn’t mean you mean that much to me So if I call you Don’t make a fuss Don’t tell your friends about the two of us I’m in love Oh no It’s because

    (Be quiet…big boys don’t cry…)

    I keep your picture Upon the wall It hides a nasty stain that’s lying there So don’t you ask me To give it back I know you know it doesn’t mean that much to me I’m not in love No no It’s because

    Ooh, you’ll wait a long time for me Ooh, you’ll wait a long time (repeat)

    I’m not in love So don’t forget It’s just a silly phase I’m going through And just because I call you up Don’t get me wrong Don’t think you’ve got it made I’m not in love I’m not in love

    By MUSIC MAN

    March 15, 2006 11:15 AM | Link to this

    For all you cool cats out there. The next time you’re walkin to your car why don’t you do the Travolta ‘strut’. Come on…you know you want to. Stay cool and go get those boogie shoes on.

    Stayin Alive by the Bee Gees

    Well, you can tell by the way I use my walk, I’m a woman’s man: no time to talk. Music loud and women warm, I’ve been kicked around since I was born. And now it’s all right. It’s OK. And you may look the other way. We can try to understand the New York Times’ effect on man.

    Whether you’re a brother or whether you’re a mother, you’re stayin’ alive, stayin’ alive. Feel the city breakin’ and everybody shakin’, and we’re stayin’ alive, stayin’ alive. Ah, ha, ha, ha, stayin’ alive, stayin’ alive. Ah, ha, ha, ha, stayin’ alive.

    Well now, I get low and I get high, and if I can’t get either, I really try. Got the wings of heaven on my shoes. I’m a dancin’ man and I just can’t lose. You know it’s all right. It’s OK. I’ll live to see another day. We can try to understand the New York Times’ effect on man.

    Whether you’re a brother or whether you’re a mother, you’re stayin’ alive, stayin’ alive. Feel the city breakin’ and everybody shakin’, and we’re stayin’ alive, stayin’ alive. Ah, ha, ha, ha, stayin’ alive, stayin’ alive. Ah, ha, ha, ha, stayin’ alive.

    Life goin’ nowhere. Somebody help me. Somebody help me, yeah. Life goin’ nowhere. Somebody help me. Somebody help me, yeah. Stayin’ alive.

    Well, you can tell by the way I use my walk, I’m a woman’s man: no time to talk. Music loud and women warm, I’ve been kicked around since I was born. And now it’s all right. It’s OK. And you may look the other way. We can try to understand the New York Times’ effect on man.

    Whether you’re a brother or whether you’re a mother, you’re stayin’ alive, stayin’ alive. Feel the city breakin’ and everybody shakin’, and we’re stayin’ alive, stayin’ alive. Ah, ha, ha, ha, stayin’ alive, stayin’ alive. Ah, ha, ha, ha, stayin’ alive.

    Life goin’ nowhere. Somebody help me. Somebody help me, yeah. Life goin’ nowhere. Somebody help me, yeah. I’m stayin’ alive.

    By Lyrazel

    March 15, 2006 11:15 AM | Link to this

    kimberly, I just hate to see a talented and charming woman like yourself suffering the night with a can of Vienna Sausages trying to get into the mood….

    By chuck

    March 15, 2006 11:17 AM | Link to this

    Whiley, I can’t believe you of all people said:

    Men like Justin instead spout woman hating ridiculous rants written by other sad pathetic men on their sad pathetic websites, paid for by pop up porn ads. Instead of improving themselves, they blame others.

    Change the genders and name and that description perfectly fits your posts through the years I’ve been on this blog. HEY, JUSTIN is the MALE VERSION OF WHILEY.

    By chuck

    March 15, 2006 11:20 AM | Link to this

    When my wife and I got married we decided that divorce WAS NOT AN OPTION. With that off of the table, we had to find other ways to deal with the problems that come up in ANY marriage. It’s all about mindset. If you go in with divorce as an option…somebody is going to end up using it.

    By Lyrazel

    March 15, 2006 11:22 AM | Link to this

    …for Netbanger on a Birthday

    May God bless and keep you always, May your wishes all come true, May you always do for others And let others do for you. May you build a ladder to the stars And climb on every rung, May you stay forever young, Forever young, forever young, May you stay forever young.

    May you grow up to be righteous, May you grow up to be true, May you always know the truth And see the lights surrounding you. May you always be courageous, Stand upright and be strong, May you stay forever young, Forever young, forever young, May you stay forever young.

    May your hands always be busy, May your feet always be swift, May you have a strong foundation When the winds of changes shift. May your heart always be joyful, May your song always be sung, May you stay forever young, Forever young, forever young, May you stay forever young.

    By chuck

    March 15, 2006 11:24 AM | Link to this

    So NetB, you want us to change our whole SOCIAL STRUCTURE to save you $200-300 per year on your taxes?!?!?

    Being a good liberal, I thought you LIKED paying taxes. Seriously though, if that is the best you can come up with, I think it is safe to say that gay marriage is doomed.

    By MUSIC MAN

    March 15, 2006 11:30 AM | Link to this

    Well we’re up to 60 degrees and not a cloud in the sky. This is the kinda day daydreams were made of. This goes out to that cool daddy-o Jack.

    Stairway To Heaven

    There’s a lady who’s sure all that glitters is gold And she’s buying a stairway to heaven And when she gets there she knows if the stores are closed With a word she can get what she came for

    Woe oh oh oh oh oh And she’s buying a stairway to heaven

    There’s a sign on the wall but she wants to be sure And you know sometimes words have two meanings In the tree by the brook there’s a songbird who sings Sometimes all of our thoughts are misgiven

    Woe oh oh oh oh oh And she’s buying a stairway to heaven

    There’s a feeling I get when I look to the west And my spirit is crying for leaving In my thoughts I have seen rings of smoke through the trees And the voices of those who stand looking

    Woe oh oh oh oh oh And she’s buying a stairway to heaven

    And it’s whispered that soon, if we all call the tune Then the piper will lead us to reason And a new day will dawn for those who stand long And the forest will echo with laughter

    And it makes me wonder

    If there’s a bustle in your hedgerow Don’t be alarmed now It’s just a spring clean for the May Queen

    Yes there are two paths you can go by but in the long run There’s still time to change the road you’re on

    Your head is humming and it won’t go because you don’t know The piper’s calling you to join him Dear lady can’t you hear the wind blow and did you know Your stairway lies on the whispering wind

    And as we wind on down the road Our shadows taller than our souls There walks a lady we all know Who shines white light and wants to show How everything still turns to gold And if you listen very hard The tune will come to you at last When all are one and one is all To be a rock and not to roll Woe oh oh oh oh oh And she’s buying a stairway to heaven

    There’s a lady who’s sure all that glitters is gold And she’s buying a stairway to heaven And when she gets there she knows if the stores are closed With a word she can get what she came for

    And she’s buying a stairway to heaven, uh uh uh.

    By kimberly

    March 15, 2006 11:33 AM | Link to this

    Ooooo…. Chuck enters and attacks. What a surprise. We all wait breathlessly for his next brilliant move.

    By MUSIC MAN

    March 15, 2006 11:36 AM | Link to this

    We have a request from someone just celebrating a birthday. There are many different artists who perform a song with this title. I hope we’ve picked the right one. This is for the man himself-Netbanker.

    “Forever Young” by Rod Stewart

    May the good Lord be with you down every road you roam, And may sunshine and happiness surround you when you’re far from home. May you grow to be proud, dignified, and true, And do unto others as you’d have done to you. Be courageous and be brave, And in my heart you’ll always stay Forever young (Forever young) Forever young (Forever young)

    May good fortune be with you and may your guiding light be strong, Build a stairway to heaven with a prince or a vagabond And may you never love in vain, And in my heart you will remain Forever young (Forever young) Forever young (Forever young)

    When you finally fly away I’ll be hoping that I served you well, For all the wisdom of a lifetime no one can ever tell, But whatever road you choose, I’m right behind you win or lose. Forever young (Forever young) Forever young (Forever young)

    By GOB

    March 15, 2006 11:49 AM | Link to this

    “International baseball huh? (yawn) at least that’s better than soccer…”

    Mara - That just hurts…

    By MUSIC MAN

    March 15, 2006 11:53 AM | Link to this

    Since it’s lunhtime here’s a little Weird Al for you. His take off of “Beat It” by Michael Jackson…”EAT IT”

    How come you’re always such a fussy young man Don’t want no Captain Crunch, don’t want no Raisin Bran Well, don’t you know that other kids are starving in Japan So eat it, just eat it

    Don’t want to argue, I don’t want to debate Don’t want to hear about what kind of food you hate You won’t get no dessert ‘till you clean off your plate So eat it

    Don’t you tell me you’re full Just eat it, eat it, eat it, eat it Get yourself an egg and beat it Have some more chicken, have some more pie It doesn’t matter if it’s boiled or fried Just eat it, eat it, just eat it, eat it Just eat it, eat it, just eat it, eat it, ooh

    Your table manners are some cryin’ shame You’re playin’ with your food, this ain’t some kind of game Now, if you starve to death, you’ll just have yourself to blame So eat it, just eat it

    You better listen, better do what you’re told You haven’t even touched your tuna casserole You better chow down or it’s gonna get cold So eat it

    I don’t care if you’re full Just eat it, eat it, eat it, eat it Open up your mouth and feed it Have some more yogurt, have some more spam It doesn’t matter it it’s fresh or canned Just eat it, eat it, eat it, eat it Don’t you make me repeate it Have a banana, have a whole bunch It doesn’t matter what you had for lunch Just eat it, eat it, eat it, eat it Eat it, eat it, eat it, eat it

    Eat it, eat it, eat it, eat it If it’s gettin’ cold, reheat it Have a big dinner, have a light snack If you don’t like it, you can’t send it back Just eat it, eat it, eat it, eat it Get yourself an egg and beat it (oh lord) Have some more chicken, have some more pie It doesn’t matter if it’s boiled or fried Just eat it, eat it, eat it, eat it Don’t you make me repeat it (oh no) Have a banana, have a whole bunch It doesn’t matter what you had for lunch Just eat it, eat it, eat it, eat it

    By Whiley

    March 15, 2006 11:53 AM | Link to this

    Chuck, Justin is the male version of me??? Laughable. I’M p** at men for the violence, sex offences & sexist treatment of women since the dawn of time. Men like JUSTIN are p** at women for much different reasons. PA-LEAZE being p** at women demanding money from ex’s is nothing compared to the level of violence & BS we have to put up with. HENCE MY NEGATIVE OPINION of men in general. But not the type of men I surround myself with now, which are the finest in the country I might add. Come to think of it, the married men I associate with are really really good husbands. They should be making molds of themselves. :)

    By Whiley

    March 15, 2006 11:57 AM | Link to this

    And Chuck, divorce is ALWAYS an option, especially if you start frequenting strip clubs, cheat, stop doing your fair share around the house, ignore your wife & everything that comes out of your mouth is negative. OH YES divorce is always an option.

    If you don’t do any of those things, then staying together & working out the kinks is very possible & better in the longrun. :)

    By The72John

    March 15, 2006 12:00 PM | Link to this

    Oh look, it’s Wednesday and li’l chuck is here to be beligerent and gay bash again! Why, my, my!

    The man who makes histrionic statements like “change our whole social structure” and “put us on the road to social destruction” has the gall to accuse someone else of having a weak argument?

    Obviously, Net was showing ONE EXAMPLE of the rights available to married couples that we demand be accorded to us as well. It was hardly his “only” argument.

    Just to be clear on a few point - allowing gay couples to “marry” or join in civil unions doesn’t uproot our whole social structure in the slightest. All of the heterosexual couples will go on as they always have.

    I have yet to see a single religion fanatic who was able to say anything beyond “Oh noes! Our whole world as we know it will end!!!” when this topic comes up. Oh, that’s because there isn’t one! It’s just another scare tactic used by mean-spirited, small-minded people to whip up a frenzy.

    Let chuck’s frothing-at-the-mouth begin.

    By lozen

    March 15, 2006 12:03 PM | Link to this

    Well I missed a lot - tried to catch up. Happy, happy birthday Netbanker. Mine was yesterday but I ignored as much as possible ;-) What difference does it make how many times the earth has been around the sun since we were born? The anger and hostility toward women yesterday was amazing. Of course there’s a lot of anger and hostility toward men too. As soon as we’re born the war between the sexes begins. And it’s nothing new. Men are taught not to trust women and vice versa. Our heads are filled full of crap about “the perfect woman” and “the perfect man”. Of course they are “the exceptional” woman or man. On the other hand, we all are taught most women and men are untrustworthy, want to take advantage of us, women are out to get his money and he’s out to get her in other ways. It took me years to realize we’re all human and basically want the same fantasies - someone who will always, always love us no matter what we do. We NEED so much from our partners. We EXPECT so much from our partners. When we don’t get what we want, we HATE them. When we find out they’re not perfect, not the fantasy we projected onto them, we HATE them. It just can’t work most of the time.

    By Mara

    March 15, 2006 12:13 PM | Link to this

    whiley, don’t forget those sweet little “love taps” that some men use to prove their manliness. (Though there are abusive females, men account for a much larger percentage and much, much greater number of serious injuries.)

    Believe me, most abusive relationships don’t start out with the abuser punching out the victim on the first date. Some people actually don’t find out what kind of person they’re with until it’s far too late. Abusers are adept at manipulation and at hiding their habits from society. If divorce wasn’t an option how many people would be trapped in untenable situations?

    By kimberly

    March 15, 2006 12:25 PM | Link to this

    Mara, when I realized that the world (and I) would be better off without my drunk, abusive husband, I changed my cooking techniques. Instead of insisting on whole grains, and low-fat items as I had been, I purchased a Fry Daddy and began using it for everything, except for the cheese-eggs & bacon I served him every weekend. It was taking too long, though, and he was getting more violent, so I just left. But for those willing to stick it out for the life insurance, FRY AWAY!

    By Netbanker

    March 15, 2006 12:30 PM | Link to this

    Chuck…as pointed out by another poster I gave ONE example of a concrete impact out of 1100 Federal rights associated with marriage. Can you give me ONE, just ONE, concrete example of how allowing gays access to CIVIL laws will impact your life? You CLAIM that allowing gays equal access and protection under the law will “change our whole SOCIAL STRUCTURE.” I’d like to see you complete the following sentence with a realistic example: “Allowing gays to marry will change our social structure by (fill in the blank with non-hypothetical example)

    If you can not, then just maybe Chuck there aren’t logical reasons and you are working from strictly an emotional and religious point of view. Maybe you can site an example of this collapse within the state of Massachusetts since gay marriage has been legal for a year? Or Vermont’s civil unions? Certainly if your ascertion about social collapse is true there must something happening in either of those states to support it.

    One more point…I’m not a “good liberal.” I’m an independent with Libertarian leanings. I used to be a good Republican until I realized that what was done by the party didn’t in the slightest reflect the planks in the platform or founding principles. I still believe in those principles, but unfortunately conservatives only pay them lip service.

    Happy Birthday, Lozen! My partner’s is today…thank goodness then I won’t have to be a numerical year older anymore.

    By Netbanker

    March 15, 2006 12:37 PM | Link to this

    Kimberly that would take far too long! What a shame he didn’t have food allergies. “Oops! My head was spinning from that last smack and I wasn’t thinking clearly when I put the peanuts in his dinner, officer.”

    By The72John

    March 15, 2006 12:41 PM | Link to this

    It’s also fatuous to say that as a liberal someone enjoys paying taxes. I think any reasonable person knows that no one LIKES to pay taxes. We simply understand the necessity of funding state, local and federal governements that serve over 200 million people. If anyone says he doesn’t try to pay the minimum tax possible within the legal boundaries allowed, then he is lying.

    By Jack

    March 15, 2006 12:55 PM | Link to this

    Ever see the episode of Alfred Hitchcock when the wife killed the husband by hitting him over the head with a frozen leg of lamb? The detectives came over and she invited them to eat and the whole time they were eating, they kept wondering where the weapon was. Priceless.

    By Jack

    March 15, 2006 12:58 PM | Link to this

    Lozen. Glad you’re back. Thought you and Bla got so upset that you had left us.

    By Whiley

    March 15, 2006 12:59 PM | Link to this

    LOL Kimberly & Netbanker ! ! !

    By Chilao

    March 15, 2006 01:02 PM | Link to this

    I remember that Hitchcock. Anybody know where they still show those great 1/2 hour shows?

    Happy Birthday, Birthday folk.

    By Jack

    March 15, 2006 01:08 PM | Link to this

    Chilao. Don’t know, they need to bring them back. Way better than what they have today.

    By Lyrazel

    March 15, 2006 01:10 PM | Link to this

    Happy birthday Lozen!!! I am day late, a dollar short with empty pockets full of sunshine for ya—

    By Jack

    March 15, 2006 01:14 PM | Link to this

    A picture of a dweeb keeps poping up wanting me to take a survey. I might if they were to change the picture!

    By Jack

    March 15, 2006 01:16 PM | Link to this

    Music Man; How bout “Foxy Lady” by Hendricks for all of the lovely ladies on this blog.

    By Mara

    March 15, 2006 01:19 PM | Link to this

    Net’s right, kimberly. It’d take waaaay too long! I’m not much of a fan of country music, but that Dixie Chix said it best in “Good-bye Earl”…

    *That Earl had to die

    Goodbye Earl

    Those black-eyed peas

    They tasted all right to me Earl

    You’re feeling weak

    Why don’t you lay down

    and sleep Earl

    Ain’t it dark

    Wrapped up in that tarp Earl*

    By Jack

    March 15, 2006 01:23 PM | Link to this

    Happy Birthday! Remember: Nowadays 50 is the new 30!

    By Netbanker

    March 15, 2006 01:24 PM | Link to this

    Kimberly…have you seen the new HBO show about the Mormon polygamist family? I just saw it on Sunday night and in that episode (which may be the first for all I know) the main character fights with his mother about her not taking his Dad to the hospital for care. He does it anyway and then they find out the Dad is sick due to arsenic poisoning and the Mom is really upset. At the very end of the eposide he has a revelation and says to his 1st of 3 wives, “I think Mom poisoned Dad!”

    By Scalia

    March 15, 2006 01:24 PM | Link to this

    Ah, Saturday Night Fever. One of the best movies of all time. That opening sequence with John Travolta is classic. How many times have I walked down the street imitating that sequence?

    And yes Chilao, you are right. The International Baseball Series is what I am talking about. I am rooting for Puerto Rico. I think that our territory may give the US some good competition.

    And Mara, how can America’s favorite past time be boring?

    By The72John

    March 15, 2006 01:31 PM | Link to this

    lol…you can’t say a-r-s-e-n-i-c

    By Chilao

    March 15, 2006 01:40 PM | Link to this

    “a-r-s-e-n-i-c’ contains a “swear” word, a-r-s-e. LOL

    Jack - they do Twilight Zone marathons all the time, but never the Hitchcock serials. Those use to be the 11p hour, going to sleep while watching TV, on a UHF station, and even then they were reruns. How I saw them anyway.

    By kimberly

    March 15, 2006 01:42 PM | Link to this

    Hahaha! I’d never use actual poison, although I have been tempted to whip up a batch o’ Salmonella Chicken Salad. {;-> Honestly, it was hard to walk away without effecting some form of revenge… and trust me, I thought of a million forms. But in the long run, it’s my face I see in the mirror, not his. I’m glad now that I didn’t sink to his level then. Those of you who are divorcing, please think about that. You can walk away from their nastiness, but it’s your own conscience you have to live with.

    By MUSIC MAN

    March 15, 2006 01:46 PM | Link to this

    That’s right we’re back in black, out of the sack, and this ones from Jack-“for all of the lovely ladies on this blog”. The sun is out so let’s turn up the heat!

    “FOXY LADY” by Jimi

    Foxy, Foxy You know you are a cute little heart breaker Foxy yeah, And you know you are a sweet little love maker Foxy

    I wanna take you home, yeah I won’t do you no harm You’ve got to be all mine, all mine ooh Foxy Lady Foxy, Foxy

    Now-a I see you come down on the scene oh Foxy You make me wanna get up and-a scream Foxy, oh baby listen now I’ve made up my mind, I’m tired of wasting all my precious time You’ve got to be all mine, all mine

    ooh, Foxy Lady Ooh, Foxy Lady, yeah yeah You look so good, Foxy oh yeah Foxy yeah, give us some, Foxy Foxy Foxy Foxy Foxy Foxy Foxy

    By Jack

    March 15, 2006 01:47 PM | Link to this

    The best revenge is living well.

    By Chilao

    March 15, 2006 01:49 PM | Link to this

    speaking of Hendrix, how about dedicating his Hey Joe to Justin?

    just a thought. heeehaaaw

    By Mara

    March 15, 2006 01:53 PM | Link to this

    Sorry GOB, Scalia - I used to like baseball. That was up until the strike of ‘94. Lost respect, lost interest, and saved a bunch of money by not buying anymore overpriced tickets and $5.00 beer. (the beer probably saved me the most, though :^)…)

    By MUSIC MAN

    March 15, 2006 01:54 PM | Link to this

    This one’s from me-your personal DJ-to everyone out there in blog land. If they don’t treat ya’ right—-kick ‘em to the curb.

    I Will Survive by Gloria Gaynor

    First I was afraid I was petrified Kept thinking I could never live without you by my side But I spent so many nights thinking how you did me wrong I grew strong I learned how to carry on and so you’re back from outer space I just walked in to find you here with that sad look upon your face I should have changed my stupid lock I should have made you leave your key If I had known for just one second you’d be back to bother me

    Go on now go walk out the door just turn around now ‘cause you’re not welcome anymore weren’t you the one who tried to hurt me with goodbye you think I’d crumble you think I’d lay down and die Oh no, not I I will survive as long as i know how to love I know I will stay alive I’ve got all my life to live I’ve got all my love to give and I’ll survive I will survive

    It took all the strength I had not to fall apart kept trying hard to mend the pieces of my broken heart and I spent oh so many nights just feeling sorry for myself I used to cry Now I hold my head up high and you see me somebody new I’m not that chained up little person still in love with you and so you felt like dropping in and just expect me to be free now I’m saving all my loving for someone who’s loving me

    By The72John

    March 15, 2006 01:57 PM | Link to this

    Mara, that’s what the minor leagues are for. I can go to my minor league team for $6 and get $1.50 beer and a $1.50 footlong.

    By MUSIC MAN

    March 15, 2006 02:07 PM | Link to this

    Man we’ve got some crazy cats in this house. (And I mean that in a GOOD way!!!) Rock’n’Roll baby-that’s what it’s all about! We’ve got one more dedication. This one’s from Chilao to Justin.

    HEY JOE by Jimi

    Hey Joe, where you goin´ with that gun in your hand I said hey hey Joe where you goin´ with that gun in your hand I gotta find my old lady I caught her messin´ around with another man Found my old lady Caught her messin´ around with another man

    Hey Joe what you gonna do Hey hey Joe what you gonna do Shoot my old lady I caught her messin´ messin´ round town Shoot my old lady I caught her messin´ messin´ round town

    Hey Joe where you gonna go Hey hey Joe where you gonna go I’m goin´ down where the green grass grows I’m goin´ down to the Gulf of Mexico

    Ain’t no hangman gonna hang no noose around me Hey Joe where you gonna go Hey Joe where you gonna go Ah Joe where you gonna go

    By Jack

    March 15, 2006 02:09 PM | Link to this

    I’ve got your “foot-long”.

    By The72John

    March 15, 2006 02:12 PM | Link to this

    Jack’s in rare form today.

    By Mara

    March 15, 2006 02:12 PM | Link to this

    Jack! That was my line - LOL!!

    By Beavis

    March 15, 2006 02:12 PM | Link to this

    Huh huh huh huh…Footlong…huh huh huh huh

    By Jack

    March 15, 2006 02:14 PM | Link to this

    That was not me.

    By Jack

    March 15, 2006 02:16 PM | Link to this

    Whoever posted under my name wishes.

    By kimberly

    March 15, 2006 02:18 PM | Link to this

    Does it “plump” when you cook it, like a “ball park” frank?

    By Chilao

    March 15, 2006 02:19 PM | Link to this

    Since that sounded like a ‘com’on’ line and I seriously doubted Jack would be hitting on John, did not think it was Jack either. LOL

    By Chilao

    March 15, 2006 02:25 PM | Link to this

    Thanks, DJ, but where you getting those lyrics? I am pretty sure it is down Mexico way. LOL

    By Jack

    March 15, 2006 02:25 PM | Link to this

    I like tacos. :)

    By Netbanker

    March 15, 2006 02:32 PM | Link to this

    If they’re going to mask swear words the LEAST they could do is to put an asterisk in for each letter. When I read my own post I thought “Great! They’ll all think it was a-s-s poisoning and that’ll just bust the door off the hinges for gay bashing!” LOL a-s-s poisoining! The more I think about that the more I’m starting to laugh.

    By Scalia

    March 15, 2006 02:33 PM | Link to this

    Would that be a tuna taco, Jack? :)

    As for the comment, I didn’t think that was Jack either.

    And Kimberly, I think that I blushed when you said that about the ballpark frank.

    By Confused

    March 15, 2006 02:44 PM | Link to this

    They plump when you eat ‘em…not cook ‘em!

    By The72John

    March 15, 2006 02:44 PM | Link to this

    a-s-s poisoning HAHAHAHAHA

    By Netbanker

    March 15, 2006 02:47 PM | Link to this

    Hey Mr. DJ…how about some ABBA?! Money, Money, Money please!

    By kimberly

    March 15, 2006 02:51 PM | Link to this

    I was only quoting their old TV commercial song. blush

    By Jack

    March 15, 2006 02:52 PM | Link to this

    I liked going to the Knights games for $8.00. The Thrashees charge about $35.

    By GOB

    March 15, 2006 02:53 PM | Link to this

    As long as it is in a wet, warm place, it will plump nicely.

    By Jack

    March 15, 2006 02:56 PM | Link to this

    Yes Scalia. As often as permitted.

    By The72John

    March 15, 2006 02:59 PM | Link to this

    We’ve gone to a strange place…

    By Jack

    March 15, 2006 03:01 PM | Link to this

    Ok. All this talk about wet warm places is making it warm in here. Where is that fan?

    By MUSIC MAN

    March 15, 2006 03:02 PM | Link to this

    What a great day for tunes and a great day for dreams. Only 105 hours ‘til Springtime arrives. This request goes out to the one and only Netbanker. Keep it real…

    “Money, Money, Money” by ABBA

    I work all night, I work all day, to pay the bills I have to pay Ain’t it sad And still there never seems to be a single penny left for me That’s too bad In my dreams I have a plan If I got me a wealthy man I wouldn’t have to work at all, I’d fool around and have a ball…

    Money, money, money Must be funny In the rich man’s world Money, money, money Always sunny In the rich man’s world Aha-ahaaa All the things I could do If I had a little money It’s a rich man’s world

    A man like that is hard to find but I can’t get him off my mind Ain’t it sad And if he happens to be free I bet he wouldn’t fancy me That’s too bad So I must leave, I’ll have to go To Las Vegas or Monaco And win a fortune in a game, my life will never be the same…

    Money, money, money Must be funny In the rich man’s world Money, money, money Always sunny In the rich man’s world Aha-ahaaa All the things I could do If I had a little money It’s a rich man’s world

    Money, money, money Must be funny In the rich man’s world Money, money, money Always sunny In the rich man’s world Aha-ahaaa All the things I could do If I had a little money It’s a rich man’s world

    It’s a rich man’s world

    By JOHN TRAVOLTA

    March 15, 2006 03:04 PM | Link to this

    “Ain’t it cool!”

    By JOHN TRAVOLTA

    March 15, 2006 03:09 PM | Link to this

    Mr.Kotter…oh Mr.Kotter…anyone else think Chuck probavly looks like Mr.Kotter???

    By The72John

    March 15, 2006 03:11 PM | Link to this

    Ice Cube has signed on to play Mr. Kotter in the movie. Gabe Kaplan approved this choice.

    By GOB

    March 15, 2006 03:11 PM | Link to this

    Actually, I have always pictured him looking more like Mr.Belding from Saved by the Bell…

    By JOHN TRAVOLTA

    March 15, 2006 03:12 PM | Link to this

    (never did lern to spell)

    By GOB

    March 15, 2006 03:19 PM | Link to this

    If Ice Cube is playing Mr. Kotter, I think Gabe Kaplan should play Freddie “Boom Boom” Washington.

    By Netbanker

    March 15, 2006 03:19 PM | Link to this

    I’m pretty sure we’ve been in a strange place, 72J…it just becomes more apparent at some times rather than others.

    By MUISIC MAN

    March 15, 2006 03:23 PM | Link to this

    Whoa baby…things are gettin’ red hot in here today. Makin’ me sweat…Let’s turn it up a notch with this next tune…~~~sizzle~~~

    “Slow An’ Easy” by Whitesnake

    You keep on pushing, babe, Like I’ve never known before. You know you drive me crazy, child, An’ I just wanna see you on the floor. I wanna superstitious woman An’ she got a superstitious mind.

    I can’t see you, baby, I can’t see you anymore, no more. You keep on loving me Like I’ve never known before. I wanna superstitious woman With a superstitious, a superstitious mind, an’ I don’t mind, baby.

    My heart is beating faster, babe, It’s beating like a big bass drum. You know you got me speeding, child, Faster than a bullet from a gun. You’re a superstitious woman An’ I got a superstitious mind, an’ I don’t care.

    So take me down slow an’ easy, Make love to me slow an’ easy. I know that hard luck an’ trouble Is coming my way, So rock me ‘til I’m burned to the bone, Rock me ‘til I’m burned to the bone.

    I don’t care about, oh, I don’t care about love, no more. The way you keep abusing me Oh, I can’t take no more. I wanna woman She got a superstitious mind.

    So take me down slow an’ easy, Make love to me slow an’ easy. I know that hard luck an’ trouble Is coming my way, So rock me ‘til I’m burned to the bone, Rock me ‘til I’m burned to the bone, Rock me ‘til I’m burned.

    (Solo)

    So take me down slow an’ easy, Make love to me slow an’ easy. Take me down slow an’ easy, Rock me ‘til I’m burned to the bone.

    Take me down slow an’ easy, Make love to me slow an’ easy. I know that hard luck an’ trouble Is coming my way, So rock me ‘til I’m burned to the bone…

    By Bill

    March 15, 2006 03:28 PM | Link to this

    Democratic liberals take another big hit to top leadership, as Kid porn ring is arrested by police. You liberals have so much character.

    By JUAN EPSTEIN

    March 15, 2006 03:29 PM | Link to this

    So…uhhh…Mr.Kotter…when do I get to graduate?

    By kimberly

    March 15, 2006 03:30 PM | Link to this

    Okay, NOW I’m all worked up. That Whitesnake song does it every time.

    By The72John

    March 15, 2006 03:34 PM | Link to this

    Democratic liberals take another big hit to top leadership, as Kid porn ring is arrested by police. You liberals have so much character.

    Could someone explain to me what exactly this is supposed to mean? Does “Bill” think that liberals support child pornography? Or is he just such a conditioned little Lim-bot that he reflexively and thoughtlessly regurgitates the word “liberal” every time he sees something he doesn’t like?

    I’m really terribly confused.

    By GOB

    March 15, 2006 03:35 PM | Link to this

    “Democratic liberals take another big hit to top leadership, as Kid porn ring is arrested by police. You liberals have so much character.”

    What does this story have to do with republicans or democrats?? That is an odd leap to make.

    By Kevin Wagner

    March 15, 2006 03:37 PM | Link to this

    Prenup, Sure wish I had one. I tried, but was denied.

    By Chilao

    March 15, 2006 03:37 PM | Link to this

    Now let’s be nice and polite, turn the other cheek, and not mention all the right-wing conservatives who have been arrested for this/that/or the other, well, trying to be nice here. SNORT

    By GOB

    March 15, 2006 03:38 PM | Link to this

    Kim - I hope you dont have a Camero. If you do, i am sure you will be climbing all over the hood after having Whitesnake in your head…

    By Netbanker

    March 15, 2006 03:39 PM | Link to this

    Based on the topic of the original discussion maybe “Wasn’t Me” (I think this is the name…it’s about the guy who is literally caught with another woman and keeps say ‘wasn’t me’…kind of jamaicanish rappy kind o thin) would be appropriate?

    By Chilao

    March 15, 2006 03:41 PM | Link to this

    that is on the Fox News website, probably others.

    also very confused about what it has to do with liberals or conservatives, Dems or GOP?

    By Mara

    March 15, 2006 03:43 PM | Link to this

    Yes! Let’s all mock Bill for being too stupid to make sense…

    By lozen

    March 15, 2006 03:48 PM | Link to this

    Thanks for the BD wishes! Nope Jack, I’ve been around. I did certainly feel black and blue for a while after being called “a piece of blue haired trash.” Sandy called it verbal abuse and I think she’s right. I’ve participated in it too, but not, I don’t think, because someone used a word I didn’t like. I’m having to give some thought to how anonymity seems to often bring out the worst in people.

    By The72John

    March 15, 2006 03:48 PM | Link to this

    Republican Conservative leadership takes another hit! Today, three ducks were found swimming in the lake I pass on my way to work! You Conservatives have such character.

    By Chilao

    March 15, 2006 03:49 PM | Link to this

    LOL @ Mara - 72John got it well with Lim-bot. Need we say any more? LMAO

    I just read three different stories about it. Never found the Dem/liberal connection. I thought it was mostly the sexually suppressed got into that despicable stuff anyway.

    By Netbanker

    March 15, 2006 03:50 PM | Link to this

    stay tuned everyone…will Kimberly and John compete for the footlong now that she’s worked up?

    what the hey IS Bill talking about?

    By lozen

    March 15, 2006 03:52 PM | Link to this

    Mocking Bill!

    By Chilao

    March 15, 2006 03:59 PM | Link to this

    How Rush is probably spinning it: One of those arrested had a Polish surname and was from the Chicago area. Suppose.

    Now we know Chicago mostly a Democratic town, right? Daly/s etc.

    So Mr Master-of-Misinformation, as I have stated before about him, well, you get the connnection?

    Hope we no longer confused. Makes perfect sense, really. LMAO

    By MUSIC MAN

    March 15, 2006 04:06 PM | Link to this

    Netbanker, I found 2 sets of rap lyrics but I don’t think I can print them. Sorry man. Was it Ginuwine or Shaggy?

    By MUSIC MAN

    March 15, 2006 04:23 PM | Link to this

    Got one for all the cool cats and hot dogs in the house… and you know who you are!

    HOT BLOODED by Foreigner

    Well, I’m hot blooded, check it and see I got a fever of a hundred and three Come on baby, do you do more than dance? I’m hot blooded, I’m hot blooded

    You don’t have to read my mind, to know what I have in mind Honey you oughta know Now you move so fine, let me lay it on the line I wanna know what you’re doin’ after the show

    Now it’s up to you, we can make a secret rendezvous Just me and you, I’ll show you lovin’ like you never knew

    That’s why, I’m hot blooded, check it and see I got a fever of a hundred and three Come on baby, do you do more than dance? I’m hot blooded, hot blooded

    If it feels alright, maybe you can stay all night Shall I leave you my key? But you’ve got to give me a sign, come on girl, some kind of sign Tell me, are you hot mama? you sure look that way to me

    Are you old enough? will you be ready when I call you bluff? Is my timing right? did you save your love for me tonight?

    Yeah I’m hot blooded, check it and see Feel the fever burning inside of me Come on baby, do you do more than dance? I’m hot blooded, I’m hot blooded, I’m hot

    Now it’s up to you, can we make a secret rendezvous? Oh, before we do, you’ll have to get away from you know who

    Well, I’m hot blooded, check it and see I got a fever of a hundred and three Come on baby, do you do more than dance? I’m hot blooded, I’m hot blooded

    Hot blooded, every night Hot blooded, you’re looking so tight Hot blooded, now you’re driving me wild Hot blooded, I’m so hot for you, child Hot blooded, I’m a little bit high Hot blooded, you’re a little bit shy Hot blooded, you’re making me sing Hot blooded, for your sweet sweet thing

    By Sloan

    March 15, 2006 04:29 PM | Link to this

    All the debate aside…..who the heck took over Diane’s column? Its as though the Mia Misadventure gal wrote it in absentia! Concerning the prenup argument…..its very simple really. If you are indifferent in any way…then go the way of the more staunch partner. Otherwise…walk away baby.

    By Jack

    March 15, 2006 04:36 PM | Link to this

    The blog is just like the phone Lozen. Folks say stuff to other posters that they would never dare say to their face.

    By AC/DC

    March 15, 2006 04:44 PM | Link to this

    She was a fast machine She kept her motor clean She was the best damn woman I had ever seen She had the sightless eyes Telling me no lies Knockin’ me out with those American thighs Taking more than her share Had me fighting for air She told me to come but I was already there

    ‘Cause the walls start shaking The earth was quaking My mind was aching And we were making it and you -

    Shook me all night long

    Working double time On the seduction line She was one of a kind, she’s just mine all mine She wanted no applause Just another course Made a meal out of me and came back for more Had to cool me down To take another round Now I’m back in the ring to take another swing

    ‘Cause the walls were shaking The earth was quaking My mind was aching And we were making it and you -

    Shook me all night long

    By AC/DC

    March 15, 2006 04:45 PM | Link to this

    She gave me the Queen She gave me the King She was wheelin’ and dealin’ Just doin’ her thing She was holdin’ a pair But I had to try Her Deuce was wild But my Ace was high But how was I to know That she’d been dealt with before Said she’d never had a Full House But I should have known From the tattoo on her left leg And the garter on her right She’d have the card to bring me down If she played it right

    She’s got the jack, she’s got the jack She’s got the jack, she’s got the jack She’s got the jack, she’s got the jack She’s got the jack, she’s got the jack She’s got the jack, jack, jack, jack, jack, jack, jack She’s got the jack

    Poker face was her name Poker face was her nature Poker straight was her game If she knew she could get you She played ‘em fast And she played ‘em hard She could close her eyes And feel every card But how was I to know That she’d been shuffled before Said she’d never had a Royal Flush But I should have known That all the cards were comin’ From the bottom of the pack And if I’d known what she was dealin’ out I’d have dealt it back

    She’s got the jack, she’s got the jack She’s got the jack, and who knows what else? She’s got the jack, yeah, yeah She’s got the jack, she’s got the jack She’s got the jack, she’s got the jack She’s got the jack, jack, jack, jack, jack, jack, jack She’s got the jack

    She’s got the jack, she’s got the jack, Ooh, It was a bad deal, (Jack) She gave me the (Jack), hey She’s got the (Jack), she’s got the (Jack) She’s got the (Jack), ooh can’t you tell She’s got the (Jack, jack, jack, jack, jack, jack, jack, jack) (She’s got the jack, she’s got the Jack) She’s got the jack, she’s got the Jack She’s got the jack, you never know! She’s got the jack, she’s got the jack She’s got the jack She’s got the jack, and it hurts! (She’s got the jack) She’s got the jack, jack, jack, jack, jack, jack, jack She’s got the jack Aaaaaah!

    Oooooh! Thank you, thank you, thank you people, thank you, thank you I’m glad you like the show, yes, thank you very much folks. Goodnight and God bless!

    By AC/DC

    March 15, 2006 04:46 PM | Link to this

    Flying on a free flight Driving all night With my machinery ‘Cause I got the power Any hour To show the man in me I got reputations Blown to pieces With my artillery I’ll be guided in We’ll be ridin’ given what you got to me

    Don’t you struggle Don’t you fight Don’t you worry ‘Cause it’s your turn tonight

    CHORUS: Let me put my love into you, babe Let me put my love on the line Let me put my love into you, babe Let me cut your cake with my knife

    Like a fever Burning faster You spark the fire in me Crazy feelings Got me reeling They got me raising steam

    Don’t you struggle Don’t you fight Don’t you worry ‘Cause it’s your turn tonight

    CHORUS

    Let me give it all to you

    By MUSIC MAN

    March 15, 2006 04:51 PM | Link to this

    Ok, for those with a sense of humor…here’s some Adam Sandler with “Lunch Lady Land”…

    Woke up in the morning. Put on my new plastic glove. Served some re-heated salsbury steak With a little slice of love. Got no clue what the chicken pot pie Is made of. Just know everything’s doing fine Down here in Lunch Lady Land.

    Well, I wear this net on my head ‘Cause my red hair is fallin’ out. I wear these brown orthopedic shoes ‘Cause I got a bad case of the gout. I know you want seconds on the corn dogs, But there’s no reason to shout. Everybody gets enough food Down here in Lunch Lady Land.

    Well, yesterday’s meatloaf Is today’s sloppy joes And my breath reaks of tuna And there’s lots of black hairs comin’ out of my nose.

    In Lunch Lady Land, your dreams come true. Clouds made of carrots and peas. Mountains built of shepherd’s pie And rivers made of macaroni and cheese. But don’t forget to return your trays And try to ignore my gum disease. No student can escape The magic of Lunch Lady Land.

    Oh.. Hogies and grinders. Hogies and grinders. Hogies and grinders. Navy beans. Navy beans. Navy beans. Hogies and grinders. Hogies and grinders. Navy beans. Navy beans. Meatloaf sandwich. Sloppy joe. Slop, sloppy joe. Sloppy joe. Slop, sloppy joe. Come on. Sloppy joe. Slop, sloppy joe. Yeah. Sloppy joe. Slop, farting noise joe.

    Well, ah, dreamt one mornin’ That I woke up to see All the pepperoni pizza Was a-lookin’ at me. It screamed, “Why do you Burn me and serve me up cold?” I said, “I got the spatula, Just do what you’re told.”

    Then the liver and onions Started joinin’ the fight And the chocolate pudding Pushed me with all its might And the chop juey slapped me And it kicked me in the head. “It’s called revenge, Lunch Lady,” Said the garlic bread.

    I said, “What did I do to Make you all so mad?” They said, “You got flabby arms And your breath is bad.” Then the green bean said, “You better run and hide.” But then my friend, sloppy joe, Came and joined my side.

    He said, “If it wasn’t for the Lunch Lady, The kids wouldn’t eat ya. You should be shakin’ her hand and sayin’ ‘Please to meet ya.’ She gives you a purpose And she give you a goal. You should be kissin’ her feet And kissin’ her mole.”

    Now, all the angry foods Just leave me alone And we all live together In a happy home Thanks to Sloppy joe. Slop, sloppy joe. Yeah. Sloppy joe. Slop, sloppy joe. Sloppy joe. Slop, sloppy joe. Come on. Sloppy joe. Slop, sloppy joe.

    Well, me and sloppy joe got married. We got six kids and we’re doin’ just fine Down in Lunch Lady Land.

    By DadMania

    March 15, 2006 05:01 PM | Link to this

    Mom’s get the alimony and outrageous child support. Therefore prenups are most definitely needed.

    By Sanhan

    March 16, 2006 08:32 AM | Link to this

    Happy Birthday to all to whom it pertains. FYI, Forever Young was written by Bob Dylan; one of my favorite songs of all time…

    As for the broader topic of marriage, the polygamists are weighing in for their civil rights, according to Newsweek. Raises the question that if gay marriage undermines the societal institution of marriage, does polygamy? What about polyandry?

    IMHO, I would think that polygamists would have a real need for prenups…

    TruthBearer.org is the evangelical polygamy organization.

    By Whiley

    March 16, 2006 08:33 AM | Link to this

    Yes that $600 per month plus $150 alimony certainly pays for 2 children & a lavish lifestyle, new cars & vacations in the Bahamas with all the men who are dying to date divorced women with children. And everybody knows that women that are out of the work force for years raising kids can just pop right back into the job market & make 6 figure salaries.

    By Renee

    March 16, 2006 08:37 AM | Link to this

    Happy belated Net….I’m going to have to get you a new tiara lol!!!

    By Renee

    March 16, 2006 08:42 AM | Link to this

    Oh happy belated to u 2 Lozen!

    By Whiley

    March 16, 2006 08:51 AM | Link to this

    “polygamists are weighing in for their civil rights”?????

    What their right to sexually abuse women & children legally? How nice. Hilarious how they want protection under religious rights lol.
    What a F!@#@!ed up country this is.
    Before you know it women will have all reproductive rights taken away, including access to birth control, while fathers will be able to legally walk away from any pregnancy, & now perverts are trying to legalize polygamy. Nice, what a wonderful time to be a man ! Next thing you know it will be legal to be a pimp, and child porn will be a normal job profession. All they’ll have to do is claim child porn is a protected religious right, somebody will allow it.

    By The72John

    March 16, 2006 08:58 AM | Link to this

    You know Whiley, there are actually loving people in this world. Not EVERYONE is a wife-abusing child molestor. If a group of people want to live together in a communal relationship, it’s really none of your business.

    By RF

    March 16, 2006 08:59 AM | Link to this

    Happy Birthday Lozen and Net!!! Cyber-hugs to ya! Net- tell the hubby I said happy birthday! Have you noticed yet that the years seem to go by faster the closer you get to the big numbers??

    Music Man- thanks for the lyrics!!! I’ve been strolling down Memory Lane a bit too much this week!! Back to the days of big cars, big hair, and freedom!! (and then I realize how LONG ago that was, and I get depressed!!)LOL

    Renee- where’s JBM been this week?

    By Renee

    March 16, 2006 09:04 AM | Link to this

    If several consenting adults want to enter into a polygamous relationship/marriage, what business is it of ours. It should definitely be made legal.

    By Renee

    March 16, 2006 09:08 AM | Link to this

    Have you noticed yet that the years seem to go by faster the closer you get to the big numbers??

    So true RF, so true. I’m already getting depressed and my birthday isn’t until June lol.

    JBM should be making an appearance today.

    By Mara

    March 16, 2006 09:12 AM | Link to this

    72J I totally agree regarding the number of wife abusing child molesters. Unfortunately, statistics show that a higher number of them do gravitate to polygamist groups.

    By Whiley

    March 16, 2006 09:14 AM | Link to this

    It IS EVERYBODY’S business. Legalizing polygamy is a bad idea. If you research what really goes on you wouldn’t think it was such a nice idea even if all parties are willing. I’m sure there are a FEW happy families. But only a few. I personally think it’s pretty sick. My opinion the husband gets a kick out of being the king & having the ability to have sex “legally” with multiple women. He has many wives catering to him & fighting for his attention. What a wonderful environment to raise boys & girls. It’s twisted. But then again there are too many women without any self esteem that would could/are coerced into it. There are certainly lots of willing victims. It’s sad. Even though it’s illegal, you hear time & time again groups that have to RESCUSE the female children from these places because of the abuse going on.

    By The72John

    March 16, 2006 09:20 AM | Link to this

    You’re confusing polygamist cults with people in actual polygamist relationships. There has been a great deal of literature from various sources released in conjunction with the release of Big Love. According to everything I’ve been reading, there are about 80,000 people in this country who live in the kind of relationship depicted in the program. They don’t live in cult communes, they live in suburban neighborhoods in relationships pretty much like any other relationship, except there are more people involved.

    Different does not equal “twisted”.

    By Jack

    March 16, 2006 09:21 AM | Link to this

    Why would someone want to share their mate with someone else? Can’t go for that at all.

    By Chilao

    March 16, 2006 09:23 AM | Link to this

    Not to mention all the young males run out of town on a rail since there are obviously not enough females to go around. A pretty common event in southeast Utah.

    I would guess one of the primary reasons it took off so well back over there in those desert-dweller cultures is that there were so many wars, there were hardly enough husband-material men around for the women to marry.

    By Renee

    March 16, 2006 09:23 AM | Link to this

    I don’t know much about polygamous marriages, but I think it would be stretching it to say, without first hand knowledge (and not what the media reports) that most polygamous husbands abuse their wives and children.

    I personally think it’s pretty sick. My opinion the husband gets a kick out of being the king & having the ability to have sex “legally” with multiple women. He has many wives catering to him & fighting for his attention. What a wonderful environment to raise boys & girls. It’s twisted.

    So you oppose legalizing it because it doesn’t agree with your viewpoints and you personally find it revolting. That is what is wrong with this country, people trying to strongarm their personal beliefs through laws.

    Hell, there are enough nonpolygamous marriages who have child molesters, abusers, and spouse beaters in them. Whenever something is “out of the norm”, it is immediately proclaimed to have all these evils of the world involved.

    By Jack

    March 16, 2006 09:32 AM | Link to this

    Gotta be pretty rough in Alaska too.

    By Chilao

    March 16, 2006 09:39 AM | Link to this

    If poly-marriages were legalized, would we have to kick Utah out of the Union? Since the only way they were allowed to be a state was to legislate monogamist marriages. Victorians trumped Mormons then. I think the US Army had better weaponry, what it usually boils down to.

    I am speaking for myself, and obviously not for all guys, but I think most males would agree one wife is more than enough. LMAO

    That HBO show was the first showing recently. Someone asked, (I did not see it), but heard a long radio commentary about it, prior to the first show.

    By GOB

    March 16, 2006 09:42 AM | Link to this

    “It IS EVERYBODY’S business. Legalizing polygamy is a bad idea. If you research what really goes on you wouldn’t think it was such a nice idea even if all parties are willing. I’m sure there are a FEW happy families. But only a few. I personally think it’s pretty sick. My opinion the husband gets a kick out of being the king & having the ability to have sex “legally” with multiple women. He has many wives catering to him & fighting for his attention. What a wonderful environment to raise boys & girls. It’s twisted. But then again there are too many women without any self esteem that would could/are coerced into it. There are certainly lots of willing victims. It’s sad. Even though it’s illegal, you hear time & time again groups that have to RESCUSE the female children from these places because of the abuse going on.”

    Whiley - isnt this essentially the same argument that Chuck, Randy and Zack make against legalizing gay marriage? Substitute gay for polygamy in your argument, and i would guess Chuck posted it.

    By Whiley

    March 16, 2006 09:44 AM | Link to this

    Renee, you’ve got to be kidding me. You cannot convince me for one second that the husband with all those wives isn’t a sick selfish bastard on an ego trip. It has nothing to do with accepting those who are different. It’s legalized abuse of women & children masked in the name of religion.

    How many of those multiple wife groups are religious nuts? I’d say all of them.

    AGAIN, is this a healthy environment to raise boys & girls???? sick sick sick. And oh please give me a break, what nutjob with 1/2 a brain thinks this lifestyle is ok? I’ll tell you it’s the same type of man that cannot stop from cheating & doesn’t think twice of marrying off his 16 year old daughter to a 45 year old polygamist.

    There is a reason polygamy was made illegal.

    What now you’re going to say child porn is ok as long as all parties are willing?

    By MUSIC MAN

    March 16, 2006 09:45 AM | Link to this

    Mornin’ to all the cats in the house today. Hoping for another sunny day to chase those blues away. Mr.Travolta let’s kick things off with a blast from your past…Feel free to get up and dance~~~

    GREASE by Frankie Valli

    I solve my problems and I see the light We got a lovin’ thing, we gotta feed it right There ain’t no danger we can go to far We start believing now that we can be what we are

    Grease is the word

    They think our love is just a growing pain Why don’t they understand, It’s just a crying shame Their lips are lying only real is real We stop the fight right now, we got to be what feel Grease is the word It’s got groove it’s got meaning Grease is the time, is the place, is the motion Grease is the way we are feeling

    We take the pressure and we throw away Conventionalitly belongs to yesterday There is a chance that we can make it so far We start believing now but we can be who we are

    Grease is the word It’s got groove it’s got meaning Grease is the time, is the place is the motion Grease is the way we are feeling

    This is the life of illusion Wrapped up in trouble, laced with confusion What are we doing here?

    We take the pressure and we throw away Conventionality belongs to yesterday There is a chance that we can make it so far We start believing now that we can be who we are

    Grease is the word It’s got groove it’s got meaning Grease is the time, is the place is the motion Grease is the way we are feeling

    Grease is the word It’s got groove it’s got meaning Grease is the time, is the place is the motion Grease is the way we are feeling

    Grease is the word Is the word Is the word Is the word

    By Jack

    March 16, 2006 09:49 AM | Link to this

    What is wrong with the women who live with him? Are they that desperate? That guy must do something right.

    By GOB

    March 16, 2006 09:49 AM | Link to this

    “AGAIN, is this a healthy environment to raise boys & girls???? sick sick sick. And oh please give me a break, what nutjob with 1/2 a brain thinks this lifestyle is ok?”

    Whiley - you are losing any bit of moral high-ground you might have had to argue with “religous nuts.” Your ranting is exactly like theirs. Look your quote above and ask yourself this; “would Chuck or Zack say something like tihs?” YOu might be surprised by the answer.

    By Jack

    March 16, 2006 09:51 AM | Link to this

    is this a healthy environment to raise boys & girls????

    HELL NO!!!!

    By The72John

    March 16, 2006 09:51 AM | Link to this

    What now you’re going to say child porn is ok as long as all parties are willing?

    This is just as silly as Bill or Bob or whatever his name was connecting child pornography with liberals yesterday. Polygamy is a relationship involving consenting adults. Child pornography most certainly doesn’t involve consenting adults.

    You know, being “liberated” means you have the freedom to make choices. Some people may make choices that you wouldn’t make. You are even entitled to think those choices are bad ones. You shouldn’t be entitled to tell others that they can’t make those choices.

    And frankly, you don’t know the motivations of people in these kinds of relationships any more than I do. You’re just caught up in your typical “all men are evil abusing pigs who molest children and beat women” hysteria.

    By Jack K

    March 16, 2006 09:54 AM | Link to this

    Is Chuck posting as Whiley now? Because that’s exactly what he would say about the gay lifestyle.

    Maybe Chuck and Whiley are more alike than even they thought?

    By Renee

    March 16, 2006 09:57 AM | Link to this

    Very true Gob. I was actually going to make a point very similar to that.

    Renee, you’ve got to be kidding me. You cannot convince me for one second that the husband with all those wives isn’t a sick selfish bastard on an ego trip. It has nothing to do with accepting those who are different. It’s legalized abuse of women & children masked in the name of religion.

    These are two separate points. Are you upset that you think the husband is a sick selfish bastard (which is none of our business, and is arguably your opinion) or do you think it’s abuse in the name of religion (which I would then have to refer you back to John who stated very eloquently that you are confusing polygamous marriages with polygamous cults).

    What now you’re going to say child porn is ok as long as all parties are willing?

    If this is the point you think I’m trying to make, or have made, then we obviously cannot have a reasonable discussion/debate about this.

    By Jack

    March 16, 2006 09:58 AM | Link to this

    Passionate not hysterical.

    By Just Being Me

    March 16, 2006 10:00 AM | Link to this

    Good morning, all!!!!

    I’ve missed you guys (most of you)! LOL!

    I won’t bother to weigh in on the prenup discussion, since it looks like we’ve moved on from that. Have we made it to homosexuality and abortion yet? I haven’t quite caught up yet.

    As for polygamy, I’d have to agree with Renee’s 9:04, but even more passionately. I am totally in favor of legalizing polygamy (be mindful of John’s explanation of the difference between polygamy and polygamist cults). In fact, in my younger days, I proposed polygamy to my boyfriend. I suggested we move to Utah (which, to my knowledge, is/was the only state that allowed polygamy) and live happily ever after.

    Why on earth should anyone have the power to tell me I can’t marry whom I want to, as long as I’m not hurting anyone??????

    RF, thanks for asking about me, it’s good to be missed. I was in the hospital :-( But, I’m all better now! :-)

    By GOB

    March 16, 2006 10:02 AM | Link to this

    I think several of those statements crossed the line from passionate to hysterical

    By The72John

    March 16, 2006 10:02 AM | Link to this

    Sorry Jack. It’s hysteria. I’m aware that, for whatever reason, you always leap to Whiley’s defense, but if I am irrational in the face of relgious discrimination, then she is a hundred times more so whenever the topic of male and female relationships come up.

    There is no logic in anything she says when she descends into that mode.

    By Whiley

    March 16, 2006 10:03 AM | Link to this

    lol oh my, & people wonder why there is SO much sexual abuse & violence against women & children. Too many people ignore what’s really going on, explain it all away, allow the “religious” excuse, blame the victims, change the subject, whatever.

    The SOLUTIONS are call it for what it is & stop trying to protect these people/groups. Stop raising naive girls & you darn well make sure they are educated & tell the truth about sex & birth control.

    Otherwise, in the near future, we’ll be a country of Jerry Springer, Maury I don’t know who the father of my baby is, mentally scarred adults. All on welfare, or in overcrowded prisons. Do your research on the TRUTH of polygamy, then get back to me.

    By Renee

    March 16, 2006 10:12 AM | Link to this

    I have to agree John!!

    Heyyyyyyy JBM!!!

    By Jack

    March 16, 2006 10:13 AM | Link to this

    John. I like Whiley and anyone who has been on this blog for long knows how passionate she is about some things. She is not like Chuck, Randy or Zack, they are doing what they were taught in Sunday school and that is to spread the word of the Lord. Be glad they do it on the blog instead of knocking on your door when you just sit down to eat or get out of the shower. I can see why a man would want to be with more than one woman sexually but not marry and raise children with them.

    By Whiley

    March 16, 2006 10:16 AM | Link to this

    lol I’m expressive, not illogical. Telling the truth about some things is difficult to hear I’m sure. I’ve just always thought it’s ok to get angry sometimes.

    You can’t compare my expressive opinions to Zack, Chuck, etc. What they spout has nothing to do with what I am talking about. Nothing at all. Yes I have extrememly strong opinions concerning men & women.
    I’m shocked daily at the treatment STILL of women & children, which has nothing to do with the legalization of Gays for example.
    lol

    By Jack

    March 16, 2006 10:18 AM | Link to this

    Glad you’re better JBM! You were missed!

    By The72John

    March 16, 2006 10:20 AM | Link to this

    Jack, in case you’ve forgotten, I live in the Deep South. What makes you think they don’t come knocking on my door when I’ve just sat down to dinner? I live down the street from an apartment that houses Mormon guys out on their Missionary years. Geeze, they drive me nuts!

    On Whiley, we’ll just have to agree to disagree. Anyone who automatically assumes wife abuse and child molestation is the norm no matter what the situation is not passionate, and they are certainly not rational.

    And yes, I know I have been guilty of getting superheated under the collar and temporarily losing my mind. The difference is, I KNOW the people I’m going off on have a certain set of beliefs and pattern of behavior. Whiley just assumes that all men are guilty of horrible behavior, and no amount of evidence to the contrary can convince her otherwise.

    By Just Being Me

    March 16, 2006 10:22 AM | Link to this

    Whiley really does get irrational when it comes to male/female issues… I have yet to see her debate a male/female-related subject with calm reason. I understand being passionate about a subject, but Whiley’s sentiment exceeds passion… teetering on the edge of lunacy.

    By Whiley

    March 16, 2006 10:23 AM | Link to this

    “You’re just caught up in your typical “all men are evil abusing pigs who molest children and beat women” hysteria.”

    Histeria????? OK, yet another EXAMPLE: That worldwide online childporn ring the feds just busted? So far they’ve located a little over 2000 paying customers SO FAR IN THIS COUNTRY. lIVE CHILD sexual abuse. That’s just the tip of the iceburg folks. That’s only ONE group. And how many registered sex offenders live on your street now? I’m ANGRY about all of it & I’m being histerical?

    Geeeesh

    By Whiley

    March 16, 2006 10:24 AM | Link to this

    Thanks Jack ! :)

    By Netbanker

    March 16, 2006 10:26 AM | Link to this

    Good Morning! Seems like ‘Forever Young’ was a popular song title because the version I was thinking of and which is one of my favorites is by Alphaville. Lyrics below:

    let’s dance in style, lets dance for a while heaven can wait we’re only watching the skies hoping for the best but expecting the worst are you going to drop the bomb or not? let us die young or let us live forever we don’t have the power but we never say never sitting in a sandpit, life is a short trip the music’s for the sad men can you imagine when this race is won turn our golden faces into the sun praising our leaders we’re getting in tune the music’s played by the madmen forever young, i want to be forever young do you really want to live forever, forever and ever some are like water, some are like the heat some are a melody and some are the beat sooner or later they all will be gone why don’t they stay young it’s so hard to get old without a cause i don’t want to perish like a fading horse youth is like diamonds in the sun and diamonds are forever so many adventures couldn’t happen today so many songs we forgot to play so many dreams are swinging out of the blue we let them come true

    By Chilao

    March 16, 2006 10:29 AM | Link to this

    Welcome back, JBM. I think if you had moved to Utah you would still have poly-marriage legal problems, since Utah had to outlaw them to join the Union. There was one guy who went on national TV, bragging about his poly-marriages, nama was Tom Green I think, and the state prosecuted him. MAINLY because he was so outspoken about it.

    By RF

    March 16, 2006 10:29 AM | Link to this

    JBM- glad to hear you’re better!! There was one less voice of reason here, and that was sorely missed!!

    By Just Being Me

    March 16, 2006 10:29 AM | Link to this

    Heyyyyyyyyyyyy Renee!

    Thanks, Jack!

    Whiley, I beg to differ with you. Your rantings really can be compared to Randy, Zack, and that other one. Whoever made that comparison is quite clever, in my opinion. It’s not that the two of you share the same message, it’s the venom with which you spread that message, and the anger and intolerance you demonstrate when someone doesn’t agree with you. It’s the “my way is the right way” theme. It’s the “shame on you for not seeing it the way I see it” theme. It’s the visual image one gets - of wild hair, bulging veins, wide eyes, balled fists, and a red face - when you get on the soap box. It’s the sweeping generalizations and dramatic assumptions and declarations you make. It’s the ridiculous comparisons you make, and the unfounded assertions that you can’t logically prove or explain (like gay marriage is a cancer to society or polygamy is akin to child pornography)…

    You really are just like them, whether you like it or not.

    By GOB

    March 16, 2006 10:33 AM | Link to this

    Whiley - You are doing the EXACT same thing that the “religous nuts,” as you call them, do on this blog. You have a strong opinion about something, and to prove that you are correct, you take the most extreme examples you can find and make them sound like the norm. Sure there are polygamous cults that abuse and mistreat women and children. Do you believe that is the norm, or that when people argue that we should be free to choose how we live, that they are somehow in favor of abuse?

    The religous fanatics argue that gays are pedophiles, and are looking for little kids, or that they simply want to destroy the fabric of society. Obviously, that isnt the norm, butbecause there are likely some gays that do fit that mold (just as there are heteros), they use it to argue that their opinion should be law. What you are doing is exactly the same thing.

    If you feel it isnt, please explain the difference, as i am failing to see it.

    By Mara

    March 16, 2006 10:33 AM | Link to this

    As John pointed out, polygamy and polygamist cults are two completely different things. If we accept this as a “given” then the only other questions would be how normalizing these kinds of relationships would affect existing law. For example, in a two-wife marriage where both wives have children. One wife works out of the home and the other is a stay-at-home mom. In the event of the mans death, who would get custody of the children, the working wife or the woman who has basically raised the children? In end-of-life cases, would it be wife #1 or wife #2 that has the legal right to decide on continued treatment or to “pull the plug”?

    I’ve got other concerns, but I’ll save those for a later post…

    By Chilao

    March 16, 2006 10:37 AM | Link to this

    The Green guy from Utah, not sure his first name was Tom, got 5 years in prison, but some of that may have been weapons charges.

    By The72John

    March 16, 2006 10:37 AM | Link to this

    Yes, Whiley, because instead of being upset at the actual problem, Child Pornography, and instead of seeking actual, real solutions for those problems, you choose instead to ascribe them to EVERYONE.

    So, the FBI busted a child porn ring. GREAT! That is AWESOME! However, YOUR conclusion is that because that ring was busted that there are thousands and thousands and thousands of more people out there all caught up in some huge nefarious scheme.

    See, no one doubts that there are sex offenders and abusers. You’re the only person who seems to think they are the norm. Every issue turns into some confirmation in your mind of the vast, diabolical plot being carried out by evil men against the poor, helpless population of women. It’s like something out of a post-apocalyptic novel.

    By Just Being Me

    March 16, 2006 10:37 AM | Link to this

    Chilao, thanks for the wb.

    I just did a quick search, and it appears you’re right, and the guy’s name is indeed Tom Greene. The article I read referred to Utah’s “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy as it relates to polygamy. Maybe that’s what I recall about wanting to move to Utah. I thought it was legal, but I guess a ‘don’t ask, don’t tell” is about as close to legal as it gets in the U.S.

    Of course it’s neither here nor there, since I’m not currently interested in marrying a man… nor am I interested in marrying a man who has another wife… for that matter, I’m also not interested in marrying a woman who has another wife… LOL

    By GOB

    March 16, 2006 10:39 AM | Link to this

    JBM - You said in one post what it has taken me about 5 to try to get at. Very well put. Glad to have you back.

    By Whiley

    March 16, 2006 10:40 AM | Link to this

    “Whiley just assumes that all men are guilty of horrible behavior”

    That’s actually partly true, I believe all men COULD be capable or have committed horrible behavior. Sicko’s & abusive people don’t put signs in thier yard or wear badges to warn other people ya know. Trust me, I know what I’m talking about. Unfortunately this is the world we have created, I’d rather be safe then a corpse on the side of an interstate.(or a pregnant child bride to some old man)

    I can understand why the general public doesn’t want to see what’s really going on tho.

    By Brian Curtis

    March 16, 2006 10:40 AM | Link to this

    Side note: Polygamy does not mean “a man with multiple wives.” (That’s polygyny.) It means a multi-partner marriage, that’s all.

    So in principle, polygamy can be a man with several wives, a woman with multiple husbands (polyandry), or any type of group marriage in between those extremes. It’s not automatically an exploitation or even a stereotypical male-fantasy scenario.

    By Jack

    March 16, 2006 10:42 AM | Link to this

    I like Mara too. :)

    By True Confusion

    March 16, 2006 10:42 AM | Link to this

    I’m not seeing the connection between polygamy and child/spousal abuse? Is it a rule that if a man wants to marry several woman, that he also beats them and their offspring?

    By Netbanker

    March 16, 2006 10:44 AM | Link to this

    I live down the street from an apartment that houses Mormon guys out on their Missionary years. Geeze, they drive me nuts! How exactly are they driving you nuts, 72J? I’ve found most of those Mormon guys to be real cuties. If you want them to stop knocking on your door try making a pass at one. That’ll either scare them off or score you a date.

    JBM…glad you’re back on your feet. Hope it wasn’t anything too awful!

    RF…Yes the years are going faster and faster. It’s kind of scary when you have that revelation that you ARE middle-aged before you hit 40 given life expectancy. I keep thinking “WAIT! Didn’t I just graduate from college not that long ago?”

    I don’t necessarily disagree with polyagamy, but only when it’s consenting ADULTS. What you’ll find in those Mormon communities where it is still practiced is grown men marrying 16 yr old girls. Chilao is correct that there are a growing number of Mormon teen boys in the SouthWest who are kicked out of the communities and just dumped on the streets of cities. The reason is that they would compete for the affections of the teen girls that the community elders have their eyes on.

    By Renee

    March 16, 2006 10:44 AM | Link to this

    LOL JBM…that’s tooooo much estrogen in one house….LOL

    By Whiley

    March 16, 2006 10:47 AM | Link to this

    Just being me & Gob, I’m not really that intense, I just type that way. lol Seriously! I’m sorry, I’m quite upset this morning after the news report on that child porn ring bust. LIVE molestation of an 18 month old baby, one of the MANY MANY victims. That’s only one. This group has been operating for a long time with thousands of paying customers. I hope the feds create a website so that the public can see these offenders. What if one of these guys were your neighbor? Or is your boss? Or is your daughters soccer coach? Or the guy that mows your lawn?

    hence, my attitude this morning.

    By The72John

    March 16, 2006 10:50 AM | Link to this

    I can understand why the general public doesn’t want to see what’s really going on tho.

    Whatever you say, Zack.

    Net - OK, there are some really hot ones over there, and some times I have to remind myself that Latter Days IS just a movie, but the problem is they cycle through every so often and the new group keeps coming over!

    By GOB

    March 16, 2006 10:52 AM | Link to this

    Whiley - Do you conversly believe that all women are capable of, or have committed horrible behavior?

    By gtgd

    March 16, 2006 10:53 AM | Link to this

    i wanna know why there isn’t a blog on Bob Barr’s editorial. i think his editorial on decency should include a discussion of how he cheated on his wife. typical red hypocrite.

    By Jack

    March 16, 2006 10:53 AM | Link to this

    I was chilled also about the arrests. I would love ten minutes with any of those scum in that ring. They should tattoo “child abuser” on their foreheads and put them out into the general prison population.

    By Brian Curtis

    March 16, 2006 10:54 AM | Link to this

    And if anyone wants to truly find out how “those people” live and operate, try Googling “polyamory.”

    It’s not just a man with a harem; it’s any kind of “open relationship” arrangement, sometimes formalized into a (non-official) group marriage.

    Some probably are exploitive or unhealthy; most aren’t. Vive la difference, folks.

    By The72John

    March 16, 2006 10:56 AM | Link to this

    Hey Whiley, possibly you might entertain the possibility that there were women involved in that ring as well? Oh, that’s right - women are victims, men are abusers. I forgot the hierarchy of your world.

    By the way, let’s assume that there were 100,000 customers…that’s an excessive number, but just for the sake of arugment.

    That is .0004 of the U.S. population…you use that number as justification for your belief that there is enormous, widespread abuse?

    By Just Being Me

    March 16, 2006 10:56 AM | Link to this

    LOL@ too much estrogen. That’s why we had to get a male cat, because with two women, a girl teenager, a female dog, and two female cats, my house was a disaster waiting to happen!

    NetB, GOB, thanks! It’s so good to be back.

    Whiley: I believe all men COULD be capable or have committed horrible behavior.

    I hate to be the one to break this to you, but all women COULD be capable of committing horrible behavior too. All HUMANS are capable of committing crimes. It really doesn’t matter how likely it is that women would commit “horrible behavior,” or which gender commits more “horrible behaviors.”

    People choose (for one reason or another) what they are passionate about. Some are passionate about gay rights, some about children’s rights, some about the right to bear arms, some about segregation, some about labor issues, etc. Choosing to fight for one group (or issue) doesn’t make any other issue any less important. You are a fighter for women’s rights. That’s fine. It’s great. But, it doesn’t mean that women’s issues are any more significant than men’s issues, nor does it mean that men are all criminals waiting for the right opportunity to attack a woman.

    I happen to be a supporter of worker’s rights (most of you know that I’m pro-union). Does that mean that all employers are out to exploit their employees? Does that mean that all bosses are bad, and don’t care about their workers? Of course not. If I were to suggest that they are, I’d be crossing the line between reasonable arguments and irrational thinking. And, that’s what you’ve done.

    It is absolutely ridiculous for you to assert that polygamists are all abusers of womankind, and that if polygamy is legal then child pornography should be legal too. That is just plain ridiculous. For real.

    By Julia

    March 16, 2006 10:58 AM | Link to this

    I agree with your last post Whiley. This story is enough to make you lose your breakfast. How can anyone hurt a child? I also agree that the people who got busted should have their faces plastered all over the place for everyone to see. It makes me sick!

    What has this world come to?

    But you do have to keep in mind that there are alot of really great folks in the world as well. It’s not all bad-thank God.

    By Netbanker

    March 16, 2006 10:59 AM | Link to this

    Well 72J I still stand by my advice. They outgoing group will tell the incoming group about being hit on…which either means you’ll have them all stay away or the ones who are like the movie will stop by. Either way sounds like a win-win situation to me.

    By Mara

    March 16, 2006 11:01 AM | Link to this

    thanks Jack, you lovely, lovely man you! I like you too ;^)

    True Confusion, polygamy is often equated with polygamist cults that congregate in “enclaves” consisiting of a single man or a small group patriarchs. The tendancy is to intermarry, keeping the ‘family’ tight-knit and insular. These cults generally see little wrong with forced marraige and statutory rape. Like any cult, interactions outside the group are discouraged. Rules are often enforced physically. Since the pool of available wives is so small, often the younger males of the family are forced out of the enclave so that the older patriarchs can have their pick of mates.

    By Jack

    March 16, 2006 11:03 AM | Link to this

    Julia too. :)

    By The72John

    March 16, 2006 11:03 AM | Link to this

    Hmmm, Net…you might have a point…

    By Mara

    March 16, 2006 11:06 AM | Link to this

    this is way off topic but I’ve got a question. Why do people refer to toddlers age by month? After all, once you get past 12 months, wouldn’t that be a year? At what age do you quit giving age in months? I don’t hear a lot of 10-year olds being refered to as “my 120 month old…” so why do they say “18 month old baby…” instead of “1-year old? It’s always puzzled me.

    By Jack

    March 16, 2006 11:07 AM | Link to this

    “older patriarchs can have their pick of mates.”

    Sick bastards.

    By GOB

    March 16, 2006 11:09 AM | Link to this

    There were, in fact, women (or at least one woman) arrested in the bust yesterday.

    My feelings about the bust are this. It is truly horrendous that it was taking place, but any realistic person knows that things like this do happen. I am just happy that they were caught, and that know the police have even more names from their records to look into. The reality is that these people are now unable to do anymore harm.

    By Chilao

    March 16, 2006 11:10 AM | Link to this

    A woman from Iowa was one of the ringleaders of that ring busted yesterday. Husband/wife team maybe, but I was reading quickly. Just was trying to figure out if they were Democrats and Bill was hip to inside knowledge. LOL

    By Chilao

    March 16, 2006 11:13 AM | Link to this

    Trust you all have seen the pic of the lovely young lady about to ring a doorknocker, which consists of a set of testicular fortitudes.

    caption reads “How to keep Jehovah Witnesses off your doorstep*

    as she hesitates to ring the knocker. LOL

    By Whiley

    March 16, 2006 11:16 AM | Link to this

    “Whiley - Do you conversly believe that all women are capable of, or have committed horrible behavior?”

    I think all people could be capable of bad things. But as a woman I’m in little to no danger in the presence of another female. I’m talking now as an adult. I’m quite aware mothers physically & emotionally abuse. I’m always aware that a woman cleaning my house could steal. Men are a much different threat. Yes, women commit crimes & bad things, that’s not the issue I’m addressing. The sexual abuse & physical treatment of women & children are at an epidemic level & why everyone isn’t as vocal about it is beyond me. Men are the ones committing the vast majority of crimes & frankly the numbers are astounding. So yes I take extra precautions. I’m just not afraid to say why outloud. No, I’m not happy about it either that I have to. What creates sexually deviant people? What creates a man that can beat his wife or girlfriend so bad she needs emergency room care? What would cause a man to want to murder complete strangers? What could cause a man to have the urge to request & pay for live child sex abuse? I’m mad & afraid. hence my “hysteria”

    By RF

    March 16, 2006 11:16 AM | Link to this

    JBM- poor kitty! I bet you had him neutered too, so he’s doomed! LOL

    John- make a pass. You’ll cure the problem one way or the other.

    I’m sorry, I just can’t figure the logic in polygamy of any kind. GEEZ, isn’t one at a time enough confusion?? I couldn’t imagine trying to keep up with multiple households, children, and spouses. ONE is more than I can handle some weeks!!LOL

    By Mara

    March 16, 2006 11:19 AM | Link to this

    and contrary to Stupid Bill and his “stoopid libruls” rant yesterday, it seems that of the 9 states these pervs lived in…..6 of them were Red states. Make of it what you will.

    :^P

    By Mara

    March 16, 2006 11:22 AM | Link to this

    Chilao, I saw that one and I too LMAO!!!

    By Jack

    March 16, 2006 11:22 AM | Link to this

    Mara. New parents want to keep their child as young as they can. They grow up so fast so saying by the month doesn’t sound as old.

    Bla needs to save his money cause by the time they get out of high-school, you’re ready to send them off to college so you can get a well deserved break.

    By Renee

    March 16, 2006 11:24 AM | Link to this

    But as a woman I’m in little to no danger in the presence of another female

    You don’t believe that really do you?????? I wish life was that blissful…..

    By The72John

    March 16, 2006 11:25 AM | Link to this

    What creates a man that can beat his wife or girlfriend so bad she needs emergency room care? What would cause a man to want to murder complete strangers? What could cause a man to have the urge to request & pay for live child sex abuse?

    What makes you think that this behavior is the norm?

    This is why I call you hysterical, because you assume that because SOME people are emotionally disturbed, that EVERYONE is emotionally disturbed.

    By GOB

    March 16, 2006 11:26 AM | Link to this

    “The sexual abuse & physical treatment of women & children are at an epidemic level & why everyone isn’t as vocal about it is beyond me.”

    No one is denying that abuse takes place, but this is a very bold statement. What is the basis for saying it is at an epidemic level? If you have some objective stats, please present them. i am not saying it isnt at the level you claim, just that i havent seen the evidence that it is.

    Also, your claim about women not being as dangerous is true, but the physical differences are reduced dramatically with the number of guns in our society. A bullet does the same damage no regardless of the gender firing the gun.

    By Jack

    March 16, 2006 11:29 AM | Link to this

    You shouldn’t be afraid Whiley. Predators can sense fear. Walk softly and carry a pistol.

    By Whiley

    March 16, 2006 11:30 AM | Link to this

    But as a woman I’m in little to no danger in the presence of another female You don’t believe that really do you?????? I wish life was that blissful…..”

    What kind of women do YOU associate with???? lolol ! ! Renee please, are you Zack in disquise?

    By Julia

    March 16, 2006 11:37 AM | Link to this

    Hey Jack! You’re the BEST!!!

    By The72John

    March 16, 2006 11:38 AM | Link to this

    What kind of women do YOU associate with???? lolol ! ! Renee please, are you Zack in disquise?

    There’s no point in arguing with her, Renee. She believes that all women are innocent victims incapable of doing wrong, and that all men are violent killers and abusers.

    I don’t know what has happened to Whiley in her life to make her hate men so very much; she claims that nothing has, but I find it very hard to believe that one could be as bitter, angry and hate-filled without having been abused.

    We should really just feel sorry for her.

    By Whiley

    March 16, 2006 11:39 AM | Link to this

    lol Jack, unfortunately it’s not legal to shoot some guy that “accidentally” rubs his p*** against your arse in a crowded place. I’m serious his thing was sticking out of his zipper ! He was walking around rubbing it against females! We immediately allerted management & the police officer on duty, but the perp was already gone (he may have seen us). Management did nothing, actually laughed it off right in front of us. We didn’t find it funny at all, another sick minded sex offender running around getting cheap thrills.
    I would post the name of the place, but I’m not sure I’m supposed to here. Hense the reason I don’t frequent anywhere crowded, I don’t care how nice the place is.

    By Mara

    March 16, 2006 11:40 AM | Link to this

    whiley asks Renee please, are you Zack in disquise?

    or perhaps just in drag…

    By Renee

    March 16, 2006 11:42 AM | Link to this

    Ok, now you take that to mean that I associate with criminal women. Not true. But I don’t float on a cloud either. A woman is capable of and will commit the same crimes that a man will.

    Get this, women rape children, women rape other women, (I can’t speak on the women raping men). Women hold up banks, beat their mates (I know people who get abused, not by their men, but by their women. Women sell their daughters to other men, the list goes on and on.

    I wonder what kind of world this would be if all men actually are evil and all women were angels.

    Wouldn’t be much reproduction huh? Oh, I guess the men would take the nookie, thus forcing the impregnation…

    By Jack

    March 16, 2006 11:43 AM | Link to this

    Oh Whiley. All you had to do was reach out, grab the package and squeeze and pull as hard as you can. Then he would think twice before doing it again.

    By GOB

    March 16, 2006 11:46 AM | Link to this

    Whiley - It really sounds like you are letting your fear of men totally control your life. Do you realize that there are millions of perfectly nice and decent men in the world? Avoiding crowded places because you are afraid of being sexually assaulted makes you incredibly paranoid. How many women do you think are sexually assaulted in an average crowded place?

    By Renee

    March 16, 2006 11:47 AM | Link to this

    I’m not Zack, in or out of drag, sorry.

    By Whiley

    March 16, 2006 11:47 AM | Link to this

    sigh John, you just aren’t listening, as usual. You need to get past the “oh you just hate men” thing.
    It’s not about that at all. It is & has always been I hate all the BS violence & sick sexual crimes.

    Women p** me off too ! But women are not commmitting the majority of all the bs in this world ! ! DUH ! HELLO !

    btw, WHY is that woman that had that baby with a 15 year old getting off so easy? Sex offenses against children should be treated the same.

    Now just because there is a SMALL handfull of women doing this, does not erase the MILLIONS Of men committing sick crimes.

    By Renee

    March 16, 2006 11:50 AM | Link to this

    I’m confused on your intent with that comment Mara??

    By Jack

    March 16, 2006 11:52 AM | Link to this

    Renee’. A woman cannot rape a man. If he doesn’t want it, the soldier won’t stand at attention.

    By Just Being Me

    March 16, 2006 11:55 AM | Link to this

    I actually do feel sorry for Whiley. She’s so full of hurt and anger, and has no idea what to do with all that emotion.

    It’s really sad.

    By Whiley

    March 16, 2006 11:56 AM | Link to this

    lol Jack, it happened so fast I couldn’t believe it. We followed him & we SAW him doing it. i WAS SO SHOCKED somebody would want to do something so stupid & sick ! Now I can think of a million ways to shread his perverted member, but when it’s actually happening it takes a second to realize what just happened.

    And RENEE PLEASE ! ! There is ZERO CHANCE a woman is going to stalk me, break into my house & rape me. THERE IS ZERO CHANCE some women is going to kidnap me from the mall & dump my dead body off the highway. THERE IS ZERO chance some woman is going to get caught video taping me in a public bathroom for her personal pleasure. THERE IS ZERO CHANCE some women is going to seek out teenage boys to rape & murder. PA-LEEEEEEEZE give me a break.

    By GOB

    March 16, 2006 11:56 AM | Link to this

    Jack - That isnt exactly how biology works…It will stand at attention, regardless.

    By The72John

    March 16, 2006 11:57 AM | Link to this

    Sigh indeed, Whiley. I AM listening. The problem is I’m hearing what you’re saying. It remains unrooted in reality. It’s all based on your own obsession with sexual crime which, while a problem, is not the overwhelming, dominating problem in the world. YOU make it sound as if in nearly every household, bad men are abusing poor women.

    Now just because there is a SMALL handfull of women doing this, does not erase the MILLIONS Of men committing sick crimes.

    Again, a bold statement. There are MILLIONS of men committing sick crimes and just a small handful of women. Really? Possibly you have hard numbers on this?

    You know what I think? You LIKE playing the victim. You don’t go out in public because ONE PERVERT flashed you? That’s not rational, it’s phobic. It’s not SANE. Get over it! Did the glimpse of the p*** HURT you? Are you emotionally scarred because some weeny shook his weeny at you?

    You really are the bizzaro-Zack. He hates all women, but claims not to. You hate all men, but similarly claim not to. You both look at a narrow slice of the population and assume that EVERYONE acts that way, and you both refuse to rationally and logically examine facts. You would much rather wallow in your separate victimhoods - he of the horrible depradations and sexual looseness of women, and you of the horrible depradations and sexual abuse of men.

    It’s really very, very sad. Your life must be very dark if you let this victim complex rule it.

    By Justin

    March 16, 2006 11:59 AM | Link to this

    As far as polygamy, who can afford more than one wife or ex-wife anyway?

    I’m not being negative, but the current child support guidelines in Georgia are very unfair. I pay $1700 a month for two children and I have them 40% of the time. My ex makes more than me. They are covered under my medical and dental, plus I pay half of all uninsured expenses. I am the custodial parent during the summer but I still have to send the $1700 to her when the money should stay with the children to help send them to a decent camp.

    Child support changes stir passions Many fathers expect to pay less; many mothers outraged

    www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/atlanta/stories/0316legchild.html

    By The72John

    March 16, 2006 11:59 AM | Link to this

    Jack, you are incorrect. Women can rape men. Enough stimulation of the “area” causes an involuntary response, regardless of desire.

    There’s also the possibilty of using foreign objects to anally rape a man.

    By GOB

    March 16, 2006 12:01 PM | Link to this

    Whiley - I think the thing people are taking issue with isnt your argument that abuse occurs and it should be stopped. i think we are all in agreement there. The problem is that you are arguing in the exact same style of the people that you regularly ridicule (see: Religous Nuts or Nutjubs). You make huge, sweeping statements, without ever providing anything as backup, other than your opinion.

    What is different between that and the “religous nut?” Other, of course, than you saying it is different.

    That is just my take. i dont want to try and put words in anyone else’s mouth.

    By Renee

    March 16, 2006 12:01 PM | Link to this

    Women cheat, then pay someone to kill the husband, so she can leave with her lover and the insurance money. These women can lay in the bed with their dead husband and act shocked, cry, and play the sympathy card. Tell the story that these men came and shot her husband for no reason and she is so emotionally distraught etc…

    Lest we forget Susan Smith who drowned her children, then blamed it on a black man. Come to find out, there was NO man involved, much less a black man.

    Or the woman last week who allowed the lawyer to have sex with her two teenage daughters.

    And yes, these are only two stories, but there are very many more. There are prisons FULL of women, women that have committed sex crimes, violent crimes, women that have been in and out of the system. I’m sure you believe these upstanding women have been harmed by a man down the line, thus their criminal behavior.

    By Jack

    March 16, 2006 12:02 PM | Link to this

    I forgot to metion that for maximun effect, twist the same time you squeeze and pull. Scream loudly at the same time and when they pick him up from the floor, he will have a good time explaining why his thing is out. LOL

    By GOB

    March 16, 2006 12:06 PM | Link to this

    “And RENEE PLEASE ! ! There is ZERO CHANCE a woman is going to stalk me, break into my house & rape me. THERE IS ZERO CHANCE some women is going to kidnap me from the mall & dump my dead body off the highway. THERE IS ZERO chance some woman is going to get caught video taping me in a public bathroom for her personal pleasure. THERE IS ZERO CHANCE some women is going to seek out teenage boys to rape & murder. PA-LEEEEEEEZE give me a break.”

    That is one of the most ridiculous statements i have read on this blog. In this world we live in, there is practically nothing that has a ZERO CHANCE of happening.

    72J - Good call on the Bizzaro-Zack

    By Renee

    March 16, 2006 12:08 PM | Link to this

    And RENEE PLEASE ! ! There is ZERO CHANCE a woman is going to stalk me, break into my house & rape me. THERE IS ZERO CHANCE some women is going to kidnap me from the mall & dump my dead body off the highway. THERE IS ZERO chance some woman is going to get caught video taping me in a public bathroom for her personal pleasure. THERE IS ZERO CHANCE some women is going to seek out teenage boys to rape & murder. PA-LEEEEEEEZE give me a break

    LOL, okay. Ummmmmm, you continue on your journey through Fantasy Island. Who am I to bust your bubble.

    Women do it too honey. I could tell stories….I’ve been stalked by a woman, wait I’m a lesbian, so my stories dont count right????? LOL

    By Jack

    March 16, 2006 12:10 PM | Link to this

    You are wrong John. No desire, no wood. Alright. According to your theory, a dog could “stimulate” your equipment and it would work. Doubt that. How bout an 89 year old lady with bad breath? 89 year old man?

    By Jack

    March 16, 2006 12:13 PM | Link to this

    John. Didn’t think of snap-on-appliances. Yeow!

    By Whiley

    March 16, 2006 12:14 PM | Link to this

    Gob it happens more than you know, my paranoid mind has kept me from being a victim, although I’ve had some close calls, I would say, 4 close calls. Others I’ve known haven’t been so lucky. Daily I don’t know the stats nationwide. Worldwide I can’t even deal with.

    Here’s how my mind works (don’t be afraid lol). Out of those 2000+ & growing number of perps that paid for the live child porn, how many are Dr.’s lawyers, teachers, etc quote normal middle class people with families? How many of these wives will be completely shocked of their husbands behavior that they had absolutely no idea it was even possible. What will this do to all the children of these fathers?

    And that’s only ONE child porn site busted.

    Gob, when you’ve had a stranger intentionally rub his p*** on you, you’ll understand where I’m coming from. lol

    By Chilao

    March 16, 2006 12:16 PM | Link to this

    I forgot to metion that for maximun effect, twist the same time you squeeze and pull

    Glad I got that real real quick(lol), since I had been sidetracked thinking of the book QB7(Queens Bench 7) that dealt with the Nazis doing experiments on male Jewish prisoners, and they could force an involuntary orgasm by using a broom stick and pressuring the prostate in the right way. Book has to do with the trial of one of the doctors in a London court years later.

    By Justin

    March 16, 2006 12:19 PM | Link to this

    Women are definitely capable of violent behaviour. They can always just as Renee stated, cry or use sympathy. Renee, yes, I know women can stalk. Many men have been stalked by ex-girlfriends and ex-wives. The old brick through the window is a great trick or stalking the man and his new love.

    Oh, let’s not forget Miss Savannah who got off but obviously shot a man in cold blood.

    By Whiley

    March 16, 2006 12:19 PM | Link to this

    Gob, you’re right. I change my chances to: .0000000000001 %

    If the perp is a lesbian stalking me, breaking into my house to commit sexual assault, then my chances are: .00000000000000000000000000000000001%

    By GOB

    March 16, 2006 12:20 PM | Link to this

    Whiley - Your paranoid mind is also keeping you from living a normal life. if you are afraid to be in a crowd, you are missing out what the essence of life is.

    Imagine how many great friends you could have had in this world if you didnt assume that all men have some hidden dark side, in which they abuse the wife, kids, or any other woman they can find.

    I have had girls (and guys) grab and feel when when it wasnt wanted. I wasnt happy about it, but at the same time, i have the ability to realize that there was no real harm done.

    By GOB

    March 16, 2006 12:22 PM | Link to this

    Jack - You couldnt be more wrong. From a physical standpoint, you could be passed out cold, and someone could get the little general at attention without you even waking up. There is no desire there, since you arent even aware you are at attention.

    By Jack

    March 16, 2006 12:22 PM | Link to this

    Chilao. My father told me what they did with fire hoses.

    Again, sick bastards.

    By Chilao

    March 16, 2006 12:23 PM | Link to this

    Book has to do with the trial of one of the doctors in a London court years later

    just did a web refresher, book has to do with a doctor suing Leon Uris for comments he made in his book Exodus.

    the book, QB VII, is “fiction”.

    By Jack

    March 16, 2006 12:24 PM | Link to this

    I meant “snap on”

    By GOB

    March 16, 2006 12:24 PM | Link to this

    Whiley- if you turn yourself into a prisoner in your own home, sure the odds are lower. Seems like a sad way to live though.

    By Mara

    March 16, 2006 12:25 PM | Link to this

    Renee, I was just joking. Playing with the idea of Zack using a drag as a “disguise”. I thought the idea of “Zack” disguised as “Renee” amusing. No offense meant.

    By Jack

    March 16, 2006 12:25 PM | Link to this

    I think I did it again. If I only had a brain.

    By Whiley

    March 16, 2006 12:28 PM | Link to this

    John getting p** at the violence men commit does not mean I hate all men. Since when do I have to mention female crimes when addressing the problem of male violence? What’s wrong with getting angry about a man who likes to watch kiddie porn? Who doesn’t think twice at molesting his stepdaughter?

    What are the current inmate stats today? Hmmm lets do A COMPARISON SHALL WE????

    lol Ok lets try this another way, since nobody is supposed to be visibly upset at someone that likes to fondle little boys & girls.

    “oh my Rhett, what shall we do, what shall we do? I may faint just thinking about it. Well now, I’ll just think about that tomorrow & not worry myself so much”

    By Jack

    March 16, 2006 12:28 PM | Link to this

    Trinity was good.

    By Chilao

    March 16, 2006 12:34 PM | Link to this

    yeah, I especially liked Trinity, Exodus as well. another good one he wrote was The Haj, the creation of the Israeli state as told through the eyes of an 8 year-old(when the story starts) Palestinian boy.

    By The72John

    March 16, 2006 12:36 PM | Link to this

    lol Ok lets try this another way, since nobody is supposed to be visibly upset at someone that likes to fondle little boys & girls.

    Again…what makes you say this? Has anyone said ANYTHING that would suggest that we aren’t horrified at the sexual abuse of children?

    Yet another example of your irrationality on this topic.

    By Mara

    March 16, 2006 12:37 PM | Link to this

    “Trinity” LOL, I thought you were talking about the Terence Hill western :^)

    By Jack

    March 16, 2006 12:37 PM | Link to this

    Did you read “The Source” by Michener? Long read but full of good information. (He’ll kill you with details. LOL)

    By Whiley

    March 16, 2006 12:43 PM | Link to this

    The Source, Isn’t that a Johnny Depp movie?

    By Chilao

    March 16, 2006 12:46 PM | Link to this

    No, only read Caravan by Michner, tried to read Centennial and Hawaii, but I have a hard time with his writing style. could not read much of either of them. Not the detail that kills me, but rather the simplistic writing style. LOL

    By Whiley

    March 16, 2006 12:49 PM | Link to this

    John YOUR upset that I’M UPSET. Does that make sense? I’m not allowed to show emotion about it? Getting angry isn’t allowed? You call me irrational for getting angry? I’m sorry that I’m singling men out here, but they are the perps. How can you not single them out? Can you find even 20 sex offenders that are female in your state? No? Then PARDON me for not including females in my child molesting violent crime rants.

    lol

    Now, there’s really no need to debate who the perps are. The troubling thing is what in the world causes people to have that need to do any of it in the first place?

    By Chilao

    March 16, 2006 12:50 PM | Link to this

    Depp was abosultely great in the movie I saw last weekend, The Libertine, definitely worth an Oscar nomination.

    By Whiley

    March 16, 2006 12:53 PM | Link to this

    I meant to say YOU’RE instead of YOUR. I should no better than that.

    By Chilao

    March 16, 2006 12:54 PM | Link to this

    20 sex offenders that are female in your state

    there is a female listed as a sex offender in my county. sodomy, assume she may have been busted for lesbian activities, but I do not really know. Maybe she gave a cop a bj. LOL

    By Netbanker

    March 16, 2006 12:57 PM | Link to this

    LOL @ JBM! As if ONE MALE cat could offset “two women, a girl teenager, a female dog, and two female cats.”

    By Justin

    March 16, 2006 12:59 PM | Link to this

    Any person who harms a child should be stoned. I absolutely abhor the cowardice, criminality and sick mind of these people. Any parent who took the law into their own hands would get off if I was on the jury. It makes me wonder how sick our society has become. We can’t protect our children anymore because these sickos are everywhere! We must be aware of their tricks and rid the world of them!

    By The72John

    March 16, 2006 01:05 PM | Link to this

    http://www.prevent-abuse-now.com/stats.htm#Offenders

    Not had a ton of time to investigate this, but this site indicates that, according to a 1993 study, 60% of male survivors of childhood sexual abuse report that at least 1 of their abusers was female.

    There are also more than 300 registered female sex offenders in Georgia.

    You see Whiley, no one contests the fact that men tend to commit more crimes than women, or that more men are sexual abusers than women.

    You, on the other hand, discount all female offenders, and assume that far more men are abusers than actually are. You aren’t concerned about facts, you’re just concerned about hystrionic declarations of horrible sex abusing men and how everyone is in terrible danger.

    By Whiley

    March 16, 2006 01:12 PM | Link to this

    OK LETS see there are 17 registered, who knows the actual number due to so many not registering, or the ones acually not caught & prosecuted. I listed each crime:

    CRIMES AGAINST NATURE CHILD MOLESTATION SEXUAL EXPLOITATION OF A CHILD SEXUAL EXPLOITATAION OF CHILD CHILD MOLESTATION CHILD MOLESTATION STATUTORY RAPE CHILD MOLESTATION CRUELTY TO CHILD CRIMINAL ATTEMPT TO COMMITT RAPE CHILD MOLESTATION (this guy is 64 years old) SEXUAL ASSAULT RAPE 1ST DEG CHILD MOLESTATION (this guy is in his 50’s) SEXUAL ABUSE CHILD MOLESTATION AGGRAVATED CRIMINAL SEXUAL ABUSE GROSS SEXUAL IMPOSITION LEWD ASSAULT SEXUAL BATTER

    And to think I believed I picked a decent relatively safe place to live. Forgive me for being slightly irritated these creeps are allowed back into society.

    By Whiley

    March 16, 2006 01:13 PM | Link to this

    John, how many total men are registered sex offenders in GA?

    Please list some of the offenses of the 300 women.

    By Jack

    March 16, 2006 01:15 PM | Link to this

    The more people there are in this world, the more deviant people there are in this world.

    By Mara

    March 16, 2006 01:19 PM | Link to this

    Justin , proud member of the W2W Taliban. Stoning people? Ignoring the law to aquit an obviously guilty vigilante?

    Sure these pervs are monsterous and their crimes are disgusting, horrifying, and bestial. That gives us no excuse for acting as barbarically and selfishly as they. I know on this topic advocating for the rule of law is not going to be popular, so let me brace myself…

    okay. Let the flaming begin…

    By Netbanker

    March 16, 2006 01:21 PM | Link to this

    I just can’t figure the logic in polygamy of any kind. GEEZ, isn’t one at a time enough confusion?? RF, I’m right there with you. Some of my former neighbors were in a 3-way relationship. They were very nice and normal enough people, but I kept thinking there is NO way I’d ever get involved like that. My partner is high maintenance enough wihtout having to consider another person. His thought was “Oh no, there’d always be two people ganging up on one and I’m afraid I’d be the one.”

    Justin…I kind of surprised to find out that you need to keep sending the money to your ex even during those months that YOU have custody of the kids. That really makes no logical sense whatsoever. Why would she need the child support during times that the kids aren’t there to support? I agree with you that the $$ should follow the kids.

    By The72John

    March 16, 2006 01:27 PM | Link to this

    You know how to use the internet, right Whiley? Look it up yourself.

    See, now that your “you can’t find 20 sex offenders” claim has been roundly debunked, you’re scrambling to shift the argument.

    Please see my previous post about no one denying that there are more male offenders than women.

    Dealing with FACTS help to solve a problem. Wallowing in pre-conceived notions and personal obsessions does not.

    By Netbanker

    March 16, 2006 01:30 PM | Link to this

    It makes me wonder how sick our society has become. I doubt that our society or world is any more or less sick than it’s always been. We’re more able to find out about it with mass communications, better tools to track and find criminals, the internet, etc. All this screwed up stuff has been happening for eons…we just weren’t as aware of it going on. Our levels of blissful ignorance are dropping.

    By Jack

    March 16, 2006 01:31 PM | Link to this

    Mara. I cannot recall exactly why you are opposed to capital punishment but many career criminals are accustomed to jail so when they get out, they figure they can do whatever they want because they’ll just go back to free room & board, food, medical care, and sex. We should make executions painful and televise it to all of the other inmates. God judges us when we leave this world, we should send them to HIM.

    By RF

    March 16, 2006 01:34 PM | Link to this

    Net- I guess the idea is that if one isn’t in the mood, the other probably will be. I still say NO WAY I’d go through all that!

    Mara- I believe everyone deserves a trial, but I’ll tell you this: if some sicko did something like that to one of mine, he wouldn’t have to worry about the trial, he’d have to worry about getting there in one piece. I think the reason people become so “vigilante” when it involves children is that they are so obviously victims without any defense whatsoever. At least in perception it’s worse than other sexual abuse. Stamp it on their foreheads and put them in the general population in jail.

    By Netbanker

    March 16, 2006 01:37 PM | Link to this

    Mara…I’ll stand in the flames with you. Two wrongs do not make a right. Taking the law into one’s own hands is wrong. Besides, I understand that child molesters aren’t treated all that well in prison anyway so you might as well let people already in jail do some of the dirty work for you instead of ending up in there yourself. The ‘I was avenging X wrong’ defense doesn’t stand up in court. Anyone need another reason why Mara’s position is the right one? Arabs! Look at the havoc they wreak on their own societies with their ‘eye for an eye’ attitudes and revenge killings.

    By Whiley

    March 16, 2006 01:38 PM | Link to this

    “See, now that your “you can’t find 20 sex offenders” claim has been roundly debunked, you’re scrambling to shift the argument.”

    What are you talking about? I was being slightly sarcastic of course. My little zip code has 17 known sex offenders ! Have you searched the more populated zips? Shocking. Why won’t you list the actual crimes of the female sex offenders? Interesting. 300 out of several THOUSANDS of sex offenders do NOT CONCERN ME. FEMALES don’t have huge numbers of victims they each leave behind. So pardon if I don’t care as much about a grown woman having sex with a teenager as I do guys that forced intercourse with a child over & over, foldling her friends, impregnating a nine year old & messing with little boy children. Aint the same thing, although should be punished. Always.

    By Jack

    March 16, 2006 01:44 PM | Link to this

    Yeah Net. Someone brutally rapes and kills your significant other and they shouldn’t pay the ultimate price? I’ll agree to disagree with Mara and you on this one.

    By The72John

    March 16, 2006 01:47 PM | Link to this

    Why won’t you list the actual crimes of the female sex offenders? Interesting.

    Don’t fabricate “interestings” that aren’t there. I assume that you and everyone else can use the site yourself.

    I’m disinclined to acquiesce to your request. Or to continue this absolutely fruitless “discussion”.

    By Netbanker

    March 16, 2006 01:53 PM | Link to this

    RF - If someone’s not in the mood take care of the problem yourself. If you really need it that badly then find someone to have sex with, but don’t move them into the house or your lives. Let’s just face, men are pigs and MOST will never be 100% sexually monogamous. Damn well better be 100% emotionally monogamous though.

    I know that you’d WANT to hurt anyone who did sexually abuse one of your kids, RF. But think about the consequences to your kids if you ended up in jail because you did become a vigilante. They need you with them MORE at that time instead of adding insult to injury by losing their Dad too.

    By Renee

    March 16, 2006 01:55 PM | Link to this

    John, your 1:05 post hits the nail on the head!

    Whiley, if you think your chances are .00000001 or whatever that insane figure was then so be it. You shouldn’t (but I’m sure you will continue to) group all men as these child molesting women beaters and all women as these frail victims.

    Let me ask you a question.

    Do you think women are in prisons for mishemming pants or burning too many dinners???? Do you think the registered women sex offenders in Georgia are ALL women you have fell innocently in love with a 15 year old student (if that is even possible).

    By Chilao

    March 16, 2006 01:58 PM | Link to this

    All this screwed up stuff has been happening for eons…we just weren’t as aware of it going on

    there is actually a scene in a French 1930/s version of Les Miserables where the innkeeper where the little girl is being kept, foster-homed if you will, offers the little girl as a bed-mate for a traveler being put up for the night. No, nothing, new, just more well known nowadays and prosecuted.

    By GOB

    March 16, 2006 01:59 PM | Link to this

    “We should make executions painful and televise it to all of the other inmates. God judges us when we leave this world, we should send them to HIM.”

    Jack - If you are going to be judged too, do you really want a graphic and painful murder on your ledger? Call it an execution if you like, but you are now responsible for the death of another as well.

    By Whiley

    March 16, 2006 02:00 PM | Link to this

    “Don’t fabricate “interestings” that aren’t there. I assume that you and everyone else can use the site yourself. “

    I’m NOT, seriously I’ve checked several zip code searches & didn’t find one female sex offender.

    By GOB

    March 16, 2006 02:03 PM | Link to this

    Joining Mara and NetB in the flames…

    There are way too many hotheads in this world to even begin to start talking about excusing vigilantism. Think how many people percieve themselves as having been wronged in some way.

    As for the capital punishment thing, publicly torturing and the killing someone who has killed someone else is a truly barbaric course of action. We can debate the merits of lethal injection, etc, but the whole public revenge killing seems to be pretty far away from the ideals of the country. While we may not ever reach those ideals, we should at least strive to be as close as we can.

    By Mara

    March 16, 2006 02:03 PM | Link to this

    Net, nice to have you in here with me. Thanks!

    Justin - my viewpoint on the death penalty is two-fold.

    1) Far too many people who were judged guilty by a jury have since been exonerated by DNA and other forensic technology. I’d rather keep 100 in jail for life than take the life of a single innocent person.

    2) If, and a big IF it is…If one has definitive proof, like video, DNA, or other type of evidence that clearly shows the guilt of the accused, I don’t have a problem with the death penalty. I just think it should be done dispassionatly, as a protection for society and not as “revenge” on the criminal. As Netbanker says, just look at how well this eye-for-an-eye mentality works in other places. It doesn’t.

    RF - I understand why someone might go vigilante in in this scenario. It was Justins clear intention to aquit regardless of the vigilantes guilt that troubled me. Were I in that situation, I could see myself doing the deed, but I would also expect the law to punish me. I would accept the punishment that society deems appropriate for someone who takes anothers life. I probably wouldn’t feel terribly guilty, and I’d probably say that under the same circumstances, I would do it again…BUT I wouldn’t expect any special treatment from the court(other than perhaps a plea deal of justifiable homicide or somesuch). I did the crime, I’ll do the time. Simple as that.

    By Scalia

    March 16, 2006 02:03 PM | Link to this

    it’s not legal to shoot some guy that “accidentally” rubs his p against your a in a crowded place. I’m serious his thing was sticking out of his zipper !*

    Where is this place? It’s sounds fun.

    By Jack

    March 16, 2006 02:04 PM | Link to this

    Yes. He can judge me after I leave here.

    By Whiley

    March 16, 2006 02:07 PM | Link to this

    Renee I believe most women are in jail for drugs, prostitution, theft. Those sorts of things. Although I’m sure you’ll find all types in prison. I read about who the women in GA prisons were & what the crimes where. It was an interesting read.

    And the execution of a sex offender isn’t the death of a person, it’s the death of a perverted selfish dangerous F@#$@# The laws need to be changed.

    By Whiley

    March 16, 2006 02:08 PM | Link to this

    Scalia ! !

    lol !

    By Jack

    March 16, 2006 02:08 PM | Link to this

    What about war GOB? When confronted by the enemy should you just let him kill you? God wouldn’t want you to kill anyone but be real.

    By The72John

    March 16, 2006 02:10 PM | Link to this

    Whiley…search by Female, and All counties.

    By GOB

    March 16, 2006 02:10 PM | Link to this

    Jack - Where do you get the comfort to be judged by god after taking the life of another human? If you are christian, (which by your god can judge me comment, i am assuming) you are stritcly forbidden from doing so in the 10 commandments (unless there was a footnote or addendum that i missed that said if the person was bad, then it is ok).

    By Mara

    March 16, 2006 02:13 PM | Link to this

    it’s not legal to shoot some guy that “accidentally” rubs his p against your a in a crowded place

    I dunno, they just change the law so that if you feel threatened you can shoot somebody…

    Do strangers rubbing their man-meat all over you in a crowd make you feel “threatened”? I’d have to scream and point…”EEEEK!! A mouse!”

    By GOB

    March 16, 2006 02:15 PM | Link to this

    Jack - We arent talking about war. You said you were ok with a revenge killing, and having that on your ledger when you are judged by god.

    War is a totally seperate issue. I understand that the reality of war is that you might have to kill someone. Personally, i think that is a horrible thing (as they are likely doing the same thing you are - trying to stay alive long enough to go home).

    By Jack

    March 16, 2006 02:15 PM | Link to this

    Many women are in jail from hangin with the wrong guy.

    By Mara

    March 16, 2006 02:17 PM | Link to this

    Hey GOB. Welcome to the furnace. It’s not nearly as hot in here as I expected it ot be…

    By The72John

    March 16, 2006 02:17 PM | Link to this

    I’m standing in the fire as well. I also would rather leave 100 alive than execute a single innocent.

    I also think that in cases of indisputable evidence there should be more of an emphasis on “paying back” for lifers. I don’t say mistreat them, because I don’t believe in treating anyone inhumanely, no matter what they did. But I do say make them work. Make that life sentence a drudgery.

    By Jack

    March 16, 2006 02:18 PM | Link to this

    Yes. All Christians obey all 10 commandments their entire life. Yeah, uh huh.

    By Jack

    March 16, 2006 02:19 PM | Link to this

    What about in war GOB? Answer if you please.

    By Netbanker

    March 16, 2006 02:28 PM | Link to this

    Someone brutally rapes and kills your significant other and they shouldn’t pay the ultimate price? I didn’t say they shouldn’t pay the price. It’s just not for ME to exact the payment on my own, Jack. I suppose if that happened to you, you’d be ok with exacting the price and then going to jail and leaving your kids without a father?

    By Renee

    March 16, 2006 02:30 PM | Link to this

    Okay, Gwinnett County (since that was my county of residence). 23% of the people arrested since 12:01 am this morning are women. Charges range from DUI, traffic, probation violation, school disruption (that’s one I hadn’t heard of), among other things. True enough, the remaining 77% are men, but this does not excuse the actions of the women.

    A criminal is a criminal. People are trying to make excuses for women in jail. They hang around bad men, they are abused, etc… This could be true of men, hanging around bad women. Hell some of these women just get in trouble because that’s what they do. And yes, they DO commit violent crimes.

    By GOB

    March 16, 2006 02:33 PM | Link to this

    Jack - of course no one obeys all 10 commandments all the time, but if you claim to be a christian, shouldnt you at least make an effort NOT to break what many consider to be the most important one, especially if your only reason for doing it is get revenge?

    As for killing in war, i think it is a necessary evil. I think it should be kept to a minimum (i.e. no firebombing towns, etc), but if there is another person aiming a gun at you, and you must choose between your life and his, I would choose my own, and then hope to be able to deal with whatever mental conflict might arise in the future.

    By Jack

    March 16, 2006 02:34 PM | Link to this

    I am NOT talking about making revenge killing legal. Not at all. that would be kaos. I’m saying they should have capital punishment and it should be sure and swift. If the punishment is not a deterent, why punish at all? Where is my torch?

    By Mara

    March 16, 2006 02:37 PM | Link to this

    Wow, we got ourselves a party goin’ on, Net, GOB, 72John, and I. should I pull out the marshmallows and wienies or the Cuervo and limes?

    By Jack

    March 16, 2006 02:38 PM | Link to this

    Everyone in the flames please read my last post then back in the fire.

    By Brian Curtis

    March 16, 2006 02:39 PM | Link to this

    Well, there’s that quaint notion of rehabilitation and reform. But you don’t hear much about it these days, what with everyone being so terrorized all the time. To hear some people tell it, there’s criminals lurking around every corner, child molestors following your kid every day from school, rapists in every parking lot, etc.

    And scared people tend not to make smart decisions. Sometimes they even vote for Bush.

    By Netbanker

    March 16, 2006 02:40 PM | Link to this

    Scalia…I believe it’s called “The Hall of Shame” (ok, that’s my nickname for it) at The Heretic. I also had that expereience at Backstreet once.

    By Whiley

    March 16, 2006 02:40 PM | Link to this

    OK I was looking at a different GA sex offender site. This one is much better. Where can you find the total number of sex offenders in GA?

    By GOB

    March 16, 2006 02:41 PM | Link to this

    Revenge is revenge, whether is it personal or sociotal. Making an execution as painful as possible (or killing them in the manner in which they killed someone, which has been advocated on this blog before) serves as revenge. If your interest is as a deterant, then lethal injection works just as well. The person ends up dead in the end. Death is the deterant, not the manner of death.

    And this is all aside from the fact that making an execution painful flies in the face of the Constitution.

    By Whiley

    March 16, 2006 02:42 PM | Link to this

    “True enough, the remaining 77% are men, but this does not excuse the actions of the women.”

    True, but it also clearly says that there’s a much bigger problem with men. Let’s get to the root of why.

    By GOB

    March 16, 2006 02:42 PM | Link to this

    BC - Where do you get off, coming in here all rational??

    By The72John

    March 16, 2006 02:43 PM | Link to this

    Jack, there’s no evidence to suggest that the death penalty IS a detterent. The vast majority of murders are crimes of passion, and people caught up in a rage that would drive them to murder aren’t usually contemplating the possible penalty.

    Renee - a few examples from my own experience…

    I went to college with a girl who, in our senior year, brutally murdered, dismembered and set on fire the wife of the man she was having an affair with.

    Two of the members of my team alone have daughters who are repeat violent offenders and have been in prison more than once.

    A girl I have known since elementary school was recently convicted of multiple felonies, including assault and armed robbery, in addition to dealing in meth.

    A woman in my hometown is on trial for stabbing her husband 30-some-odd times with her boyfriend helping, because they were having an affair and wanted him out of the way.

    There are many more - it’s idiotic to say that women don’t commit crimes, and if they do they are only “soft” ones.

    By Jack

    March 16, 2006 02:46 PM | Link to this

    Good one Brian.

    Mara. If you break out the Cuervo, I’ll join ya!

    By FatMoose

    March 16, 2006 02:46 PM | Link to this

    Lying in bed recovering from c3-c6 neck surgery (not everyday I get to be hit in the back of the neck by a woman with a 2x4 - dont ask, I do not want to go off on women and will given what I been through this week) I saw DrPhill and he had Whiley on his show.

    The woman (we will call her Whiley) had a daughter who was now 14yo and her mother still would not let her even hang out in the front yard without constant supervision. Her reasoning was that there could be a molester anywhere. She gets physically sick when her daughter is out of sight. Oddly enough, she jokes about these occurances like whiley once someone calls her on them.

    This was their second time on the show - the daughter pleaded for DrPhill to intervene again bc NOTHING changed since the last time; although the mother totally understood that SHE had the problem.

    DrPhill explained that the mothers paranoid feelings that there is a sex offender around every corner was extremely unhealthy to the daughter; but the behavour got worse. How is this not crippeliing abuse?

    The rub is that the mother is paranoid bc SHE lost her daughter one time bc she (the mother) saw a friend and walked away for a minute. She is unable to admit the danger SHE put the child in and had to project that blame onto someone else. She choose men, which is the norm - just as justin chooses women to blame.

    Perhaps that is whats up with whiley - SHE let down a child due to neglect and must now deflect that to the EVIL MEN.

    Either way - it is a fact that it puts the rest of your group (friends/family) in greater harm and creates a disfunctional environment in turn creating victims for people that are lurkers. Male and female.

    This is the service you are doing to women and girls, Whiley. Setting them up for that 1 in 25,000 abuser. The abusers rely on people like you is the reality.

    By Chilao

    March 16, 2006 02:56 PM | Link to this

    can someone call the fire department? LOL

    all this talk about fires and I ain’t hearing no trucks or sirens.

    By Jack

    March 16, 2006 02:57 PM | Link to this

    Been there FM. Long time to recover. Try to get off the pain meds asap. After my first surgery, I took them so long that when I stopped, I was unable to go to sleep what seemed like forever.

    By Whiley

    March 16, 2006 02:58 PM | Link to this

    “Her reasoning was that there could be a molester anywhere.”

    That’s almost true (she was a little too worried) HOWEVER there is a REGISTERED sex offender on her street living IN the same coldesac as her daughters friend. She was very correct to be overprotected in that regard, otherwise she was over the top.

    And PLEASE, you are obviously a man who has lived a lifetime without the threat of sexual assault. How nice for you.

    “1 in 25,000 abuser”

    LOLOL LAUGHABLE ! ! ! ! ! ! What’s the total number of registered sex offenders living in GA by the way? Not including the molesters out there now that haven’t been caught, or the rapists who’s victim never told anybody? Oh & it’s a proven fact most all sex offenders are REPEAT OFFENDERS. Yea you’re right just I’m paranoid. But for darn sure somebody like you would be the first one to scream “what was she doing at that bar late at night what did she expect???” Like that young woman in NY. Sigh.

    By Renee

    March 16, 2006 03:04 PM | Link to this

    Whiley, the ROOT of the problem is NOT men. The ROOT of the problem is CRIME. DOES IT MATTER IF A WOMAN OR A MAN COMMITS A VIOLENT CRIME???? DOES IT MATTER IF A WOMAN OR MAN ABUSES A CHILD??? WOULD I CARE IF I WAS RAPED BY A WOMAN OR A MAN???? IF A WOMAN MURDERED ME THAT WOULD BE BETTER THAN A GOD AWFUL MAN????

    The fact that a crime was committed is what matters. Focus on child molesters fine! But take away all the men DO YOU HONESTLY BELIEVE CHILD MOLESTATION WOULD GO AWAY????

    By Jack

    March 16, 2006 03:05 PM | Link to this

    “rehabilitation and reform” LMAO. Yeah, they learn to be better criminals. Everything is legal until you get caught.

    By GOB

    March 16, 2006 03:08 PM | Link to this

    “you are obviously a man who has lived a lifetime without the threat of sexual assault. How nice for you.”

    That is such a cop-out. What a cheap way to get out of a spot when you have no real argument. Very intellectually lazy.

    By Jack

    March 16, 2006 03:08 PM | Link to this

    Renee’. No doubt most of it would.

    By FatMoose

    March 16, 2006 03:09 PM | Link to this

    “But for darn sure somebody like you…”

    Like the MILLIONS of other innocent men - You do not KNOW me.

    Which furthers the proof of caustic behavour that will damage your friends and family.

    By Mara

    March 16, 2006 03:09 PM | Link to this

    Y’all are gonna make me lose my job, what with this laughing out loud and all.

    BC - scared people tend not to make smart decisions. Sometimes they even vote for Bush.

    GOB - BC - Where do you get off, coming in here all rational??

    Jack - Mara. If you break out the Cuervo, I’ll join ya!

    and Chilao - all this talk about fires and I ain’t hearing no trucks or sirens

    LOL! You guys crack me up!

    By Julia

    March 16, 2006 03:10 PM | Link to this

    Bottom line=stereotypes are wrong…whether it be about men, women, Christians, gay people, etc…

    By Whiley

    March 16, 2006 03:11 PM | Link to this

    “But take away all the men DO YOU HONESTLY BELIEVE CHILD MOLESTATION WOULD GO AWAY????”

    No, but it would be a rare, rare, RARE, RARE, RARE THING ! Instead of ALL THE TIME CONSTANT ! Spend some time in an emergency room & have a nice chat with the nurses who handle the rape kits. Ask them how many are victim’s of women. Then get back with me.

    This conversation is going nowhere. Too many people want to ignore the real problem & brush it under the table. AGAIN. I don’t know what the big dang deal is to focus on males & try to figure out what causes so much violence.

    By Mara

    March 16, 2006 03:11 PM | Link to this

    Did y’all read the vent today (or maybe it was yesterday…) that said “tequila makes your clothes fall off”?

    By GOB

    March 16, 2006 03:14 PM | Link to this

    ““rehabilitation and reform” LMAO. Yeah, they learn to be better criminals. Everything is legal until you get caught.”

    Jack - Ever listen to “This American Life” on NPR? Try listening to the “ACT V” program, and you will get a better feel for the reality of people in prison. It isnt just what you see on TV shows.

    By Jack

    March 16, 2006 03:14 PM | Link to this

    GOB. All is fair in love and the blog.

    By Renee

    March 16, 2006 03:15 PM | Link to this

    I still stand by my statement that “men are not the root of the problem, when it comes to child molestation” The sickness occurs more frequently in men, but it does occur in women, and maybe, just maybe, MORE men have been CAUGHT. One of my exboyfriends said his babysitter used to have sex with him (female babysitter) but men don’t come forward about these things. It’s not determined molestation by society today…

    By The72John

    March 16, 2006 03:15 PM | Link to this

    Sex offenders apparently have the lowest recidivism rate of any main criminal group.

    http://www.economist.com/displaystory.cfm?storyid=E1VQTRPDT

    By Julia

    March 16, 2006 03:20 PM | Link to this

    Jack-Or “love on the blog”! LOL ;)

    By Mara

    March 16, 2006 03:20 PM | Link to this

    Whiley - I don’t know what the big dang deal is to focus on males & try to figure out what causes so much violence.

    ummm. Can you say “testosterone”? It’s been proven that high levels of testosterone correlate with feelings of violence, suspicion, and hostility.

    By Jack

    March 16, 2006 03:21 PM | Link to this

    No time for that GOB. Forgive me. I am in a smartass mood today.

    Mara. I read it too. (That’s why I wanted to join you. Heehee)

    By GOB

    March 16, 2006 03:22 PM | Link to this

    Renee - Very good point about boys not reporting it if they are with an older woman. It is more likely to be considered a cool, growing-up experiance, not molestation.

    By Just Being Me

    March 16, 2006 03:22 PM | Link to this

    Renee, good point(s) on your 3:04.

    what was she doing at that bar late at night what did she expect???

    Now, I know this is going to get me in trouble, but…

    Most of you know I’m a NYer. I remember back in the 80’s and early 90’s, every time a woman would get attacked in Central Park, the response was the same, “who on earth is still going to Central Park by themselves????” Some might call that blaming the victim, but why not learn from someone else’s experience? With all the examples of harm that has been done to women who are in Central Park alone at night or before sunrise, who would be stupid enough to go there alone??????

    I say the same thing about crackheads, and most folks who contract HIV/AIDS. Concerning crack, I say (as a comedian said in the early 90’s - can’t remember which one): who on earth would smoke crack for the first time after knowing what crack does to a person???? Concerning those who contract HIV/AIDS through unprotected casual sex (not referring to non-casual sex), I say: who on earth is still out there having unprotected casual sex???? What is wrong with you???

    The same is to be said (in my opinion) for any person walking alone at night without a gun or other reliable weapon. And, God forbid the person is attractive or scantily dressed. Lord knows I feel badly for Imette St. Guillen, and all the other people who have been brutally murdered, but why on earth would she leave a bar at 3 o’clock in the morning all by herself???? You gotta admit, that just wasn’t a wise decision. And, it cost her dearly. It cost her, and her family….

    Anyway Whiley, I’m sure your comment was sarcastic, but I am one of those who would seriously ask that question: what was she doing at the bar that late at night? What did she expect?

    By FatMoose

    March 16, 2006 03:27 PM | Link to this

    What’s the total number of registered sex offenders living in GA by the way?

    Georgia Click Here for Directory Georgia Bureau of Investigation Georgia Crime Information Center 3121 Panthersville Road PO Box 370808 Decatur, GA 30037-0808 Number of Registered Sex Offenders - 8,958

    I will even be generous and add:

    30,000 Violent offenders in georgia’s prison

    And we have a population of 8,829,383 in GA.

    so 30,000 + 8,958 = 38,958

    Now we divide the number 38,958 into 8,829,383 equaling: 226

    So, there are 226 times more people that you condem for every ONE that is actually a violent or sex crime offender.

    The number of innocent people you condem increases to 985 to every ONE that actually exist.

    That is THE definition of insanity.

    (if someone sees an error in the math - feel free to advise)

    By Jack

    March 16, 2006 03:28 PM | Link to this

    Renee’. That’s because your ex-boyfriend was lucky. There aren’t that many straight single males that would complain about getting sexual advances from an older female. Ask him if he felt violated. He was violated but did he feel like he was?

    By Julia

    March 16, 2006 03:29 PM | Link to this

    There’s another saying: One tequila, two tequila, three tequila…floor!

    By Lyrazel

    March 16, 2006 03:33 PM | Link to this

    Does casual sex really exist anymore? We have 2 generations who have gone from kindergarden to college with AIDS awareness crammed down their sex-education—-ooo here comes the icecream truck—-Im gone

    By RF

    March 16, 2006 03:33 PM | Link to this

    Mara- Good one on the “mouse”!!!LOLOL

    Yeah, I agree that if I did the crime, I’d have to do the time. I wouldn’t expect sympathy, and I highly doubt I’d actually do anything anyway. It would be beyond my nature to, but it wouldn’t lessen the desire for punishment. I guess what gets me is how long it takes to actually get a person like that to trial, and then see a defense attorney dance all around the law to find a way out… Having kids has made me a LOT more protective I guess.

    Tequila ain’t the only thing to make ‘em fall off. My buddy Jack Daniels can do some persuading too!!

    By Mara

    March 16, 2006 03:35 PM | Link to this

    JBM when you are at a bar late at night do you expect to be kidnapped, raped, and murdered? I would guess that she probably expected to finish her drink, get into a cab, go home, and pass out. That’d be my guess…

    By Whiley

    March 16, 2006 03:36 PM | Link to this

    Just being me, women alone at night are in danger because OF MEN. Women have to make special allowances ALL THE TIME because OF MEN. Women have to be on guard in public places day OR night because OF MEN. I would like society to focus on that. Not to bash men. There is a serious violence problem that I would like to see diminished. Instead of bigger & better ways women can AVOID being a crime statistic, why not focus on ways to curb male violence? Seems more logical to me.

    That’s interesting about the testosterone theory. Has that been proven for sure? Maybe a start would be mandated regular testosterone tests (paid for by the perp) while on probation? That would be a start if it actually had an affect.

    By Julia

    March 16, 2006 03:37 PM | Link to this

    Alright baby, we’re breaking in here for a favorite of mine…this talk about ole Cuervo brought it to mind….Let the good times roll!!!

    TEQUILA SUNRISE by The Eagles

    It’s another tequila sunrise Starin’ slowly ‘cross the sky, said goodbye He was just a hired hand Workin’ on the dreams he planned to try The days go by

    Ev’ry night when the sun goes down Just another lonely boy in town And she’s out runnin’ ‘round She wasn’t just another woman And I couldn’t keep from comin’ on It’s been so long Oh, and it’s a hollow feelin’ when It comes down to dealin’ friends It never ends

    Take another shot of courage Wonder why the right words never come You just get numb It’s another tequila sunrise, this old world still looks the same, Another frame, mm…

    By Jack

    March 16, 2006 03:37 PM | Link to this

    She chooses ice-cream over us! Imagine.

    By Just Being Me

    March 16, 2006 03:37 PM | Link to this

    Only thing I like about Jack Daniels is his steak and shrimp at TGI Fridays.

    By FatMoose

    March 16, 2006 03:38 PM | Link to this

    BTW - tequila makes her clothes fall off is a country song

    And as for the men cannot be raped statement.

    When I admitted on here that I woke (way back in my youth) with a woman backing up onto my morning stiff - I was told I was LUCKY by JACK to wake that way.

    How lucky do you think I felt, JACK, hanging out at the DRs (no pun intended) to get a shot in my a$$ for Chlamidia (sp?) and then having to deal with scabies????

    How about how lucky I felt explaining to everyone I had contact with to check for scabies? Including nephews/nieces?

    All sorts of ignorance - not just Whiley’s; Hence your twos co-dependence.

    By Whiley

    March 16, 2006 03:42 PM | Link to this

    “The number of innocent people you condem increases to 985 to every ONE that actually exist.”

    OK you give me a sure fire way to be able to spot the bad ones, I’ll back off. Until then I have to protect myself. Otherwise “what did I expect”? going out after dark?

    and btw, your numbers don’t include the ones that are gawking & cat calling, fondling “accidentally”, or the ones masterbating in public, flashing, all those that don’t get caught. OH I could tell you some STORIES !LOL I’ve witnessed 3 flashers & one man who acted like he didn’t know his thing was hanging out of his bathing suit, which we KNEW he did how could anybody miss that thing??

    By Mara

    March 16, 2006 03:46 PM | Link to this

    RF - LOL on the JD, buddy! He’s a smoooooth talker all right! Y’know speaking of Jack and Jose…I got this Conga beat running through my head …da-dut-da-Da-DA-DUH- HEY! da-dut-da-Da-DA-DUH HEY!…

    Good thing it’s close to quittin’ time!

    By Whiley

    March 16, 2006 03:47 PM | Link to this

    EWWWW what does scabies look like?

    (what I say is not ignorant, it’s the truth. I don’t like it either, but the first step to solving a problem is admitting there is one)

    By Jack

    March 16, 2006 03:48 PM | Link to this

    She was in the bed with you FM. You didn’t want to have sex? Did she wait until you were asleep and sneak into your room so she could infect you? Yeah. You were raped alright. I’m king of the world too.

    By GOB

    March 16, 2006 03:51 PM | Link to this

    Whiley - I was in New Orleans once, and you should have seen how many times i was flashed. And they were almost all women. i felt incredibly violated.

    By Jack

    March 16, 2006 03:53 PM | Link to this

    FM. How long have you been having sex with your nieces and nephews?

    By The72John

    March 16, 2006 03:58 PM | Link to this

    gawking & cat calling

    Wow…I had NO idea that gawking and cat calling was sexual assault. Call out the national guard.

    By Renee

    March 16, 2006 04:00 PM | Link to this

    Actually my ex didn’t feel lucky. he din’t understand much. He was 8 or 9 babysitter 15, making him perform oral sex…no, lucky was not the word he used…

    By RF

    March 16, 2006 04:09 PM | Link to this

    JBM and Mara- risky behavior is risky behavior. People become numb to the risk when they do something often enough- like leaving a bar late or walking in Central Park at night. Even though it’s risky, you do it often enough without consequence, you quit thinking abou it, and that’s when it happens. I’ll bet plenty of women leave places alone late at night because of the illusion of safety. It’s just a sad fact that while you never expect something bad to happen, when the sun goes down, you have to be watching, especially as a woman. I don’t walk alone as a man after the ‘bewitching hour’, especially if my car’s parked in a dark or out of the way place. It just isn’t safe, and if you don’t have backup, you don’t go.

    By RF

    March 16, 2006 04:15 PM | Link to this

    Renee- excellent 3:04 by the way. Here again is that ugly beast called “social-perception” again. Men are perceived to be the deviant ones. Women seem to be able to hide it better, and we don’t watch for them.

    Jack- you been eating briars again?? LOL Don’t usually see you get snippy!

    By FatMoose

    March 16, 2006 04:16 PM | Link to this

    Your sick jack.

    She was in the bed with you FM. Not when I got in.

    How long have you been having sex with your nieces and nephews?

    And that is gross - learn about scabies - it is not s sexual, but CONTACT issue.

    You cannot SEE them - near microscopic and during proliferation you can get it by shaking hands. If it is not during a proliferation cycle you could rub all over someone and not get them.

    You guys ARE really this ignorant, aren’t you? It is not just games to insult, but true ignorance - that makes it not so offensive and sick.

    By Just Being Me

    March 16, 2006 04:45 PM | Link to this

    JBM when you are at a bar late at night do you expect to be kidnapped, raped, and murdered? I would guess that she probably expected to finish her drink, get into a cab, go home, and pass out. That’d be my guess…

    Actually Mara, I don’t do bars at all. But, if I did go to a bar late at night, I doubt I would expect to be kidnapped, raped, or murdered. However, if I left that bar alone late at night, I would be fully aware that I might be kidnapped, raped, or murdered. In fact, I’d probably be afraid I’d be kidnapped, raped, or murdered.

    I’m sure Imette did expect to finish her drink, get in a cab and go home. I highly doubt that she expected to be brutally assaulted and murdered. That doesn’t make her decision to drink and travel alone at 3 o’clock in the morning any wiser. It wasn’t a wise decision, and that’s the bottom line (as far as I’m concerned). Any mother would say the same.

    Frankly, I think that’s part of the problem. If she expected to get murdered, she probably would’ve left with her friend instead of staying behind all by herself. And guess what? If she did that, she probably would be alive to tell the story.

    By FatMoose

    March 16, 2006 04:52 PM | Link to this

    Should not have had such a big buzz when you went to sleep and you may have waken up.

    Jack, This what you tell your date-rape partners?

    By Whiley

    March 16, 2006 04:55 PM | Link to this

    “If she expected to get murdered, she probably would’ve left with her friend instead of staying behind all by herself. And guess what? If she did that, she probably would be alive to tell the story.”

    HENSE the importance of treating all men as a POTENTIAL DANGER. If she had, she’d be alive. How sad is that ! Sad, but true.

    By FatMoose

    March 16, 2006 04:55 PM | Link to this

    Jack,

    may have waken up.

    Waken up?!?!?! Good Show - sure it is not a double-wide deluxe trailer you live under and not a bridge?

    Where is the J27 spelling police for THIS one.

    By Brian Curtis

    March 17, 2006 08:25 AM | Link to this

    Welcome to Friday, everyone! Joke day!

    -

    And on the subject of polygamy…

    A little boy was attending his first wedding. After the service, his cousin asked him, “How many women can a man marry?”

    “Sixteen,” the boy responded.

    His cousin was amazed that he had an answer so quickly. “How do you know that?”

    “Easy,” the little boy said. “All you have to do is add it up, like the minister said: 4 better, 4 worse, 4 richer, 4 poorer….”

    -

    A quote from Oscar Wilde: “Bigamy is having one wife too many. Monogamy is the same.”

    By sanhan

    March 17, 2006 08:49 AM | Link to this

    In honor of St. Patrick’s Day:

    How can you tell the difference between an Irish wake and an Irish wedding?

    One less drunk to throw out.

    (I told this to my Irish best friend and she snorted beer out of her nose…)

    By Chilao

    March 17, 2006 09:13 AM | Link to this

    speaking of Oscar Wilde, he was at a state dinner, seated next to a married society woman.

    He asked her, “Will you sleep with me for a million pounds?”.

    She purred back, “Why yes, of course”.

    He then said “Well, will you sleep with me for ten pounds?”.

    She gasped, “No, of course not, what kind of woman do you think I am?”.

    He stated, “We have already established what kind of woman you are, now we are merely haggling over price”.

    By Lyrazel

    March 17, 2006 09:20 AM | Link to this

    25 SIGNS YOU HAVE GROWN UP 1. Your houseplants are alive, and you can’t smoke any of them. 2. Having sex in a twin bed is out of the question. 3. You keep more food than beer in the fridge. 4. 6:00 AM is when you get up, not when you go to bed. 5. You hear your favorite song in an elevator. 6. You watch the Weather Channel. 7. Your friends marry and divorce instead of “hook up” and “break up.” 8. You go from 130 days of vacation time to 14. 9. Jeans and a sweater no longer qualify as “dressed up.” 10. You’re the one calling the police because those %&@# kids next door won’t turn down the stereo. 11. Older relatives feel comfortable telling sex jokes around you. 12. You don’t know what time Taco Bell closes anymore. 13. Your car insurance goes down and your car payments go up. 14. You feed your dog Science Diet instead of McDonald’s leftovers. 15. Sleeping on the couch makes your back hurt. 16. You take naps. 17. Dinner and a movie is the whole date instead of the beginning of one. 18. Eating a basket of chicken wings at 3 AM would severely upset, rather than settle, your stomach. 19. You go to the drug store for ibuprofen and antacid, not condoms and pregnancy tests. 20. A $4.00 bottle of wine is no longer “pretty good s**.” 21. You actually eat breakfast food at breakfast time. 22. “I just can’t drink the way I used to” replaces “I’m never going to drink that much again.” 23. 90% of the time you spend in front of a computer is for real work. 24. You drink at home to save money before going to a bar. 25. When you find out your friends are pregnant you congratulate them instead of asking “Oh no, what the hell happened?” Bonus: 26: You read this entire list looking desperately for one sign that doesn’t apply to you and can’t find one to save your sorry old a.s.s.

    Happy Friday! Enjoy.

    By Jack

    March 17, 2006 09:26 AM | Link to this

    Tim came home from the pub late one Friday evening stinko drunk, as he often did, and crept into bed beside his wife who was already asleep. He gave her a peck on the cheek and fell asleep. When he awoke he found a strange man standing at the end of his bed wearing a long flowing white robe. “Who the hell are you?” demanded Tim, “and what are you doing in my bedroom?”

    The mysterious Man answered, “This isn’t your bedroom. I’m St Peter.”

    Tim was stunned “You mean I’m dead!!! That can’t be, I have so much to live for, I haven’t said goodbye to my family…. you’ve got to send me back straight away.”

    St. Peter replied, “Yes you can be reincarnated but there is a catch. We can only send you back as a dog or a hen.” Tim was devastated, but knowing there was a farm not far from his house, he asked to be sent back as a hen. A flash of light later he was covered in feathers and clucking around pecking the ground. “This ain’t so bad” he thought until he felt this strange feeling welling up inside him. The farmyard rooster strolled over and said, “So you’re the new hen. How are you enjoying your first day here?”

    “It’s not so bad” replies Tim, “but I have this strange feeling inside like I’m about to explode.”

    “You’re ovulating” explained the rooster, “don’t tell me you’ve never laid an egg before.”

    “Never!” replies Tim.

    “Well, just relax and let it happen.”

    And so he did and after a few uncomfortable seconds later, an egg pops out from under his tail. An immense feeling of relief swept over him and his emotions got the better of him as he experienced motherhood for the first time. When he laid his second egg, the feeling of happiness was overwhelming and he knew that being reincarnated as a hen was the best thing that ever happened to him…ever!!!

    The joy kept coming and as he was just about to lay his third egg he felt an enormous smack on the back of his head and heard his wife shouting “.Tim..!! Wake up, you drunken bastard! You’re s** in the bed!”

    By Julia

    March 17, 2006 09:26 AM | Link to this

    An American, an Englishman and an Irishman walk into a bar. They all three grab a barstool and each orders a beer.

    The American picks up his mug of beer, looks in it and sees a fly. He shouts “There’s a fly in my beer-that’s disgusting! I can’t drink that!” And he hands it back to the bartender. So the bartender pours him another mug.

    The Englishman picks up his mug of beer, looks in it and also sees a fly. He shouts “There’s a fly in my beer-that’s disgusting!” He reaches into the mug, pulls out the fly and lays him on the bar and takes a sip of beer.

    The Irishman picks up his mug of beer, looks in it and also see a fly. He reaches into the mug, pulls out the fly and lays him on the bar. Then he leans down and shouts “Spit it out ‘ya B-A-S-T-A-R-D!!!”

    By Chilao

    March 17, 2006 09:31 AM | Link to this

    speaking of old fogie jokes, got this yesterday in the mail from a abit older (than me) female friend:

    I feel like my body has gotten totally out of shape, so I got my doctor’s permission to join a fitness club and start exercising. I decided to take an aerobics class for seniors. I bent, twisted, gyrated, jumped up and down, and perspired for an hour. But, by the time I got my leotards on, the class was over.

    By Renee

    March 17, 2006 09:46 AM | Link to this

    One day Mom was cleaning Junior’s room and in the closet she found a bondage S&M magazine. This was highly upsetting for her. She hid the magazine until his Father got home and showed it to him.

    He looked at it and handed it back to her with out a word. So she asked him, “What should we do about this?” Dad looked at her and said, “Well I don’t think you should spank him.”

    By Just Being Me

    March 17, 2006 09:51 AM | Link to this

    Those were all hilarious!!!! Happy Friday, everyone!

    By MUSIC MAN

    March 17, 2006 09:55 AM | Link to this

    In honor of St.Patrick’s Day and all you fine Irish folk on the blog (whomever you may be)…

    OH DANNY BOY

    Oh Danny boy, the pipes, the pipes are calling From glen to glen, and down the mountain side The summer’s gone, and all the flowers are dying ‘Tis you, ‘tis you must go and I must bide. But come ye back when summer’s in the meadow Or when the valley’s hushed and white with snow ‘Tis I’ll be here in sunshine or in shadow Oh Danny boy, oh Danny boy, I love you so.

    And if you come, when all the flowers are dying And I am dead, as dead I well may be You’ll come and find the place where I am lying And kneel and say an “Ave” there for me.

    And I shall hear, tho’ soft you tread above me And all my dreams will warm and sweeter be If you’ll not fail to tell me that you love me I’ll simply sleep in peace until you come to me.

    I’ll simply sleep in peace until you come to me.

    By Chilao

    March 17, 2006 09:55 AM | Link to this

    Hilarious Jokes, Jack, Julia(I burst out out loud on that one), Renee(my parents went to activity deprivation as a form of discipline when I was about 5, since I was proudly showing everybody else my red bottom after I got spanked, think they figured out spankings were not working..LOL)

    have a ton of jokes, have to get to an email from yesterday.

    By Chilao

    March 17, 2006 09:58 AM | Link to this

    The rest of my jokes today are from Playboy Party Jokes, April, 2006 issue. a good month for kosher jokes. LOL

    A mother asked her daughter what she wanted for her birthday.

    The little girl replied, “I want a Barbie and a G.I. Joe.”.

    “G.I. Joe?” the mother asked. “I thought Barbie comes with Ken.”

    The daughter replied, “No, she comes with G.I. Joe. She fakes it with Ken”.

    By Chilao

    March 17, 2006 09:59 AM | Link to this

    One day George W. Bush was leading three cows into the White House. A Marine guard snapped to attention, saluted, and said, “Nice cows, Sir”.

    The President replied “These are not just any cows; these are authentic Texas Black Angus cows. I got one for Laura, one for Barbara, and one for Jenna.”.

    The Marine again snapped to attention, saluted, and replied, “Nice trade, Sir”.

    By Chilao

    March 17, 2006 10:00 AM | Link to this

    A precious little girl walked into a pet ship and asked with a lisp, “Excuthe me, mithter, do you keep widdle wabbits?”.

    The shopkeeper’s heart melted and he knelt down beside her and asked, “Do you want a widdle white wabbit or a thoft bwack one?”.

    The little girl replied, “I don’t think my python gives a thit.”

    By Chilao

    March 17, 2006 10:01 AM | Link to this

    How is a thong like a barbed-wire fence? It protects the property without obstructing the view.

    The movie Brokeback Mountain is ushering in a new wave of Westerns but in this genre, the good guys get it in the end.

    By Julia

    March 17, 2006 10:04 AM | Link to this

    JBM-glad you’re back and hope you’re feeling ok. Rough night, my son kept getting sick. I went to sleep at 3:30 and got up at 5:30 to get ready for work and get him up. Gonna be a long day. Thank goodness it’s joke day!

    By Chilao

    March 17, 2006 10:18 AM | Link to this

    “Honey,” said a husband to his wife, “I’ve invited a friend home for supper.”

    “Waht? Are you crazy?” The wife replied. “The house is a mess, I haven’t been shopping, and I don’t feel like cooking a fancy meal.”

    “I know that,” he said.

    “The why did you invite a friend for supper?” she asked.

    He replied, “Because the poor fool’s thinking of getting married.”.

    By Chilao

    March 17, 2006 10:21 AM | Link to this

    Interviewer: As an octogenarian, what changes have you seen in American Christianity?

    (Author) Kurt Vonnegut: Jesus became a Republican.

    Interviewer: That’s it?

    Vonnegut: That’ll do.

    By Julia

    March 17, 2006 10:22 AM | Link to this

    Jack, Renee & Chilao-good ones!!! ROFLMAO!

    By Julia

    March 17, 2006 10:32 AM | Link to this

    Oh, and Lyrazel-that was hilarious! I printed it out for the folks at work.

    By kimberly

    March 17, 2006 10:39 AM | Link to this

    Love the hen joke, Jack! Hahahaha!

    By FatMoose

    March 17, 2006 10:39 AM | Link to this

    Not really a joke - but I always did like the statement:

    Time flies like an arrow; Fruit flies like a bananna.

    (Music Man, “How about I want to be Evil” or “Old Fashioned Girl” by Eartha Kitt?)

    By Jack

    March 17, 2006 10:48 AM | Link to this

    :)

    By Chilao

    March 17, 2006 10:53 AM | Link to this

    Lyrazel - I am sendimg yours to some old fogies I know. LOL

    By MUSIC MAN

    March 17, 2006 11:13 AM | Link to this

    This little ditty goes out to Fat Moose. Here ya’ go…

    I Want to Be Evil by Eartha Kitt

    I’ve posed for pictures with Iv’ry Soap, I’ve petted stray dogs, and shied clear of dope (I’ve petted stray dogs, and I never mope)* My smile is brilliant, my glance is tender But I’m noted most for my unspoiled gender

    I’ve been made Miss Reingold, though I never touch beer, (I’ve been named Miss Perseverance year after year,)* And I’m the person to whom they say, “Your sweet, My Dear.” The only etchings I’ve seen have been behind glass, And the closest I’ve been to a bar, is at ballet class.

    Prim and proper, the girl who’s never been cased, I’m tired of being pure and not chased. Like something that seeks it’s level I wanna go to the devil.

    Refrain I wanna be evil, I wanna spit tacks I wanna be evil, and cheat at jacks I wanna be wicked, I wanna tell lies I wanna be mean, and throw mud pies

    I want to wake up in the morning with that dark brown taste I want to see some dissipation in my face I wanna be evil, I wanna be mad But more that that I wanna be bad

    I wanna be evil, and trump an ace, Just to see my partner’s face. I wanna be nasty, I wanna be cruel I wanna be daring, I wanna shoot pool

    And in the theatre I want to change my seat Just so I can step on Everybody’s feet

    I wanna be evil, I wanna hurt flies I wanna sing songs like the guy who cries I wanna be horrid, I wanna drink booze (I want to be horrid, I want to make news)* And whatever I’ve got I’m eager to lose

    I wanna be evil, little evil me Just as mean and evil as I can be

    *Lyrics in blue are the “official” printed lyrics. Also, throughout the song “wanna” is printed as “want to”.

    By lozen

    March 17, 2006 11:25 AM | Link to this

    I love joke Fridays! Good ones everybody, keep them coming. Kurt Vonnegut!… Chilao? I remember standing on the street waiting for the bus reading one of his books. I started laughing so loud people were looking at me like “go get the guys in the white coats!” He’s one of my faves.

    By Jack

    March 17, 2006 11:26 AM | Link to this

    Music Man. How bout one by Three Dog Night?

    By Julia

    March 17, 2006 11:33 AM | Link to this

    A man stumbles up to the only other patron in a bar and asks if he could buy him a drink.

    “Why of course,” comes the reply.

    The first man then asks: “Where are you from?”

    “I’m from Ireland,” replies the second man.

    The first man responds: “You don’t say, I’m from Ireland too! Let’s have another round to Ireland.”
    “Of Course,” replies the second man.

    Curious, the first man then asks: “Where in Ireland are you from?” “Dublin,” comes the reply. “I can’t believe it,” says the first man. “I’m from Dublin too! Let’s have another drink to Dublin.” “Of course,” replies the second man.

    Curiosity again strikes and the first man asks: “What school did you go to?” “Saint Mary’s,” replies the second man. “I graduated in ‘62.”

    “This is unbelievable!” the first man says. “I went to Saint Mary’s and I graduated in ‘62, too!”

    About that time in comes one of the regulars and sits down at the bar. “What’s been going on?” he asks the bartender. “Nothing much,” replies the bartender. “The O’Malley twins are drunk again.”

    By Jack

    March 17, 2006 11:39 AM | Link to this

    Housewife takes a lover during the day, while her husband is at work.

    Unknown to her, her 9 year old son was hiding in the closet. Her husband came home unexpectedly, so she hid her lover in the closet.

    The boy now has company.

    Boy: “Dark in here.” Man: “Yes it is.” Boy: “I have a baseball.” Man: “That’s nice.” Boy: “Want to buy it?” Man: “No, thanks.” Boy: “My dad’s outside.” Man: “OK, how much?” ! Boy: “$250.”

    In the next few weeks, it happens again that the boy and the mum’s lover are in the closet together.

    Boy: “Dark in here.” Man: “Yes, it is.” Boy: “I have a baseball glove.” Man: “How much?” Boy: “$750.” Man: “Fine.” A few days later, the father says to the boy, “Grab your glove. Let’s go outside and toss the baseball.” The boy says, “I can’t. I sold them.” The father asks, “How much did you sell them for?” The son says,”$1,000.” The father says, “That’s terrible to overcharge your friends like that. That is way more than those two things cost. I’m going to take you to church and make you confess.” They go to church and the father alerts the priest, and makes the little boy sit in the confession booth and closes the door.

    The boy says, “Dark in here.” The priest says, “Don’t start that s** again”

    By Jack

    March 17, 2006 11:40 AM | Link to this

    My husband, being unhappy with my mood swings, bought

    me a mood ring the other day so he would be able to monitor my moods. We’ve discovered that when I’m in a good mood, it turns green. When I’m in a bad mood, it leaves a big

    f#%g red mark on his forehead. Maybe next time he’ll buy me a diamond.

    By Julia

    March 17, 2006 11:48 AM | Link to this

    Murphy told Quinn that his wife was driving him to drink. Quinn thinks he’s very lucky because his own wife makes him walk !!

    “Did you hear that Flanagan invented an invisible deodorant ?” “No, what good is it ?” “Well if you use, you vanish and no one knows where the smell is coming from !”

    By MUSIC MAN

    March 17, 2006 11:55 AM | Link to this

    Sending this one out to Jack…a little Three Dog Night…

    OLD-FASHIONED LOVE SONG

    Just an old-fashioned love song playin’ on the radio And wrapped around the music is the sound Of someone promising they’ll never go You swear you’ve heard it before As it slowly rambles on and on No need in bringin’ em back, Cause they’re never really gone

    Just an old-fashioned love song One I’m sure they wrote for you and me Just an old-fashioned love song Comin’ down in 3-part harmony

    To weave our dreams upon and listen to each evening When the lights are low To underscore our love affair With tenderness and feeling that we’ve come to know You swear you’ve heard it before As it slowly rambles on and on and No need in bringin’ em back, Cause they’re never really gone

    Just an old-fashioned love song Comin’ down in 3-part harmony Just an old-fashioned love song One I’m sure they wrote for you and me Just an old-fashioned love song Comin’ down in 3-part harmony Just an old-fashioned love song One I’m sure they wrote for you and me

    To weave our dreams upon and listening to a song …

    By Jack

    March 17, 2006 12:06 PM | Link to this

    BAPTIST COWGIRL

    > > >

    A cowgirl, who is visiting Texas from Arkansas, walks into a bar and orders three mugs of Bud. She sits in the back of the room, drinking a sip out of each one in turn. When she finishes them, she comes back to the bar and orders three more.

    The bartender approaches and tells the cowgirl, “You know, a mug goes flat after I draw it. It would taste better if you bought one at a time.”

    The cowgirl replies, “Well, you see, I have two sisters. One is in Australia, the other is in Dublin. When we all left our home in Arkansas, we promised that we’d drink this way to remember the days when we drank together. So I’m drinking one beer for each of my sisters and one for myself.”

    The bartender admits that this is a nice custom, and leaves it there.

    The cowgirl becomes a regular in the bar, and always drinks the same way. She orders three mugs and drinks them in turn.

    One day, she comes in and only orders two mugs. All the regulars take notice and fall silent. When she comes back to the bar for the second round, the bartender says, “I don’t want to intrude on your grief, but I wanted to offer my condolences on your loss.”

    The cowgirl looks quite puzzled for a moment, then a light dawns in her eyes and she laughs.”Oh, no, everybody’s just fine,” she explains, “It’s just that my husband and I joined the Baptist Church and I had to quit drinking.”

    “Hasn’t affected my sisters though.”

    By MUSIC MAN

    March 17, 2006 02:54 PM | Link to this

    YOU MAKE LOVING FUN by Fleetwood Mac

    Sweet wonderful you, You make me happy with the things you do, Oh, can it be so, This feeling follows me wherever I go.

    I never did believe in miracles, But I’ve a feeling it’s time to try. I never did believe in the ways of magic, But I’m beginning to wonder why.

    Don’t, don’t break the spell, It would be different and you know it will, You, you make loving fun, And I don’t have to tell you you’re the only one.

    You make loving fun. You make loving fun.

    By Chilao

    March 17, 2006 02:55 PM | Link to this

    “Well, it’s simple…all day long, people would throw open my backside, shove people in, and then I would get to run down the street shouting WOOOOOOO WOOOOOOOO WOOOOOOO!”

    You mean even Chuck could fit?. seems I remember him telling me about some hole. LOL

    Jack - I’d settle for Beatty’s there, of those three.

    By Jack

    March 17, 2006 02:55 PM | Link to this

    Music Man How bout Mean Mr. Mustard, Polythene Pam & She came in through the bathroom window. (Abbey Road)

    By Chilao

    March 17, 2006 03:00 PM | Link to this

    You make loving fun. You make loving fun. (repeat four hundred times)

    like Grand Funk’s I’m your Captain

    By Netbanker

    March 17, 2006 03:01 PM | Link to this

    Mara…Jack D and I have been friends for many years. I just haven’t hung out with him that much in a single evening for quite some time. I just forgot how sneaky he can be when you aren’t paying close attention. I did better than a couple of friends who were holding court with Mrs. Schmirnoff though.

    72J…I’ll NEVER look at an ambulance quite the same way.

    By MUSIC MAN

    March 17, 2006 03:01 PM | Link to this

    You might as well face it…you’re addicted to love!

    ADDICTED TO LOVE by Robert Palmer

    The lights are on, but you’re not home your mind is not your own your heart sweats, your body shakes another kiss is what it takes

    You can’t sleep, you can’t eat there’s no doubt, you’re in deep your throat is tight, you can’t breathe another kiss is all you need

    Whoa, you like to think that you’re immune to the stuff, oh Yeah it’s closer to the truth to say you can’t get enough, you know you’re gonna have to face it, you’re addicted to love

    you see the signs, but you can’t read you’re running at a different speed your heart beats in double time another kiss and you’ll be mine, a one-track mind

    you can’t be saved oblivion is all you crave if there’s some left for you you don’t mind if you do

    whoa, you like to think that you’re immune to the stuff, oh Yeah it’s closer to the truth to say you can’t get enough, you know you’re gonna have to face it, you’re addicted to love

    Might as well face it, you’re addicted to love (5x)

    your lights are on, but you’re not home your will is not your own your heart sweats your teeth grind another kiss and you’ll be mine

    whoa, you like to think that you’re immune to the stuff, oh Yeah it’s closer to the truth to say you can’t get enough, you know you’re gonna have to face it, you’re addicted to love

    might as well face it, you’re addicted to love (8x)

    By Justin

    March 17, 2006 03:02 PM | Link to this

    Netbanker, The courts state I still have to pay her child support even when I have the children during the summer months. That is why there needs to be some regulation. A man future in family court is at the whim of the judge’s mood in family court that day. A man can have all the evidence he needs with substantiating evidence from guardian ad litem and child psychologists and the judge will refuse to read, listen or anything.

    By MUSIC MAN

    March 17, 2006 03:06 PM | Link to this

    Breakin’ in for a request from Jack…Mean Mister Mustard…here ya’ go….

    Mean Mister Mustard sleeps in the park Shaves in the dark trying to save paper Sleeps in a hole in the road Saving up to buy some clothes Keeps a ten-bob note up his nose Such a mean old man Such a mean old man

    His sister Pam works in a shop She never stops, she’s a go-getter Takes him out to look at the queen Only place that he’s ever been Always shouts out something obscene Such a dirty old man Dirty old man

    By MUSIC MAN

    March 17, 2006 03:28 PM | Link to this

    I Love Rock ‘n’ Roll by Joan Jett & The Blackhearts

    I saw him dancing there by the record machine I knew he must have been about seventeen The beat was going strong, playing my favorite song And I could tell it wouldn’t be long till he was with me, yeah, me And I could tell it wouldn’t be long till he was with me, yeah, me, singin’

    CHORUS: I love rock ‘n’ roll So put another dime in the jukebox, baby I love rock ‘n’ roll So come and take your time and dance with me

    He smiled, so I got up and asked for his name “That doesn’t matter,” he said, “‘cuase it’s all the same.” I said, “Can I take you home where we can be alone?” And next we were moving on and he was with me, yeah, me And next we were moving on and he was with me, yeah, me, singin’

    CHORUS

    I said, “Can I take you home where we can be alone?” And next we were moving on and he was with me, yeah, me, singin’

    CHORUS

     

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