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By TA

January 21, 2009 8:24 AM | Link to this

Measured comments about Martinez are the way to go Chip. I knew a guy back when and it’s funny to hear the criticism and compare it to the respect, the work ethic, the professionalism and what you might call the inside view. I don’t mean to suggest I’m an insider, but perception and reality are different things. Or are they? In sports, often the mob decides reality. If it weren’t true before, it can become true - or perhaps to say it might as well be true. Let us nut jobs out here cry for Martinez’s head. I’ll let Mark Richt decide.

By Bubba Dawg

January 21, 2009 8:25 AM | Link to this

Dawgs will continue to roll! Ga tech stinks!

By GeoffDawg

January 21, 2009 8:34 AM | Link to this

Chip - I would imagine with recruiting classes ranked in the top 5 or 10 year after year and with the exposure given to players at a program like Georgia, several of Martinez’s players would’ve gotten to the NFL based on talent and notoriety alone with minimal coaching. I don’t doubt his passion for the game or his dedication to Georgia - all too frequent mental lapses like stupid penalties, poor tackling, and players lining up out of position though point to coaching failures.

By Too Easy

January 21, 2009 8:38 AM | Link to this

Good comments, TA and Chip. I agree. My only concern with Willie has been his penchant to play prevent defense almost exclusively. Sure, injuries and/or lack of talent from the various parts of the DL might dictate some things, but when he lets the Dawgs out even occasionally, as in the last 2 bowl games, good things happen.

By What a bunch of crap...

January 21, 2009 8:39 AM | Link to this

While I have not had the opportunity to watch WM on the practice field or to speak to other players or coaches about him, I have observed him for hte past three years on the sidelines during gamew. And, he has consistently been late signaling in defenses, thus leaving the WHOLE team in a lurch when it comes down to defending plays. I have seen DB’s consistently burned and out of position because of this, and it has really pained me to observe the defensive team continue to have meltdowns during stretches of just about EVERY game during the last three years.

If WM and DF in basketball coached together, UGA sports would take on a new low all across the board. The proof to anything involving coaches is on game day, and WM defenses have stunk up the joint on more than enough occasions to justify a change, even if he is the BFF and former teammate of the HC!

By AlphaDog

January 21, 2009 8:50 AM | Link to this

I think its time for a change. I just hope if it comes, it comes soon, so we get a jump on finding a replacement.

Any ideas out there on a possible replacement? Promoting Gardner? Bringing in someone outside the program?

By Lowcountry Bulldawg

January 21, 2009 9:03 AM | Link to this

Personally I would say if the position is offered CWM will take the job. If he elects not to, however, CMR cannot justify giving him a raise. CWM underperformed in his job this season. When you underperform you do not get raises! Unless you have Scott Boras as an agent.

By NCDAWG

January 21, 2009 9:04 AM | Link to this

I am not sure Garner will leave if he is passed over, especially if it is a big time hire…but lets not get ahead of ourselves Willie is not gone yet, and I am sure Mark Richt is going to do everything he can to keep Willie and UGA. Richt is big on staff continuity

By Zoomie

January 21, 2009 9:04 AM | Link to this

Not my call; we’ll have to trust MR and the UGA athletic department on this one. It’s my observation that the UGA defense played horribly this year. The confusion, lack of discipline, lack of fundamentals (that means wrap-up tackling, Rashad), and seeming lack of improvement in these areas over the season point to coaching issues. MR and staff have done a good job so far; many of us expect more given the resources available to them. I’d hate for MR to lose someone that provides him a sense of stability — WM is obviously important to him. However, based on pure, objective analysis, it wouldn’t hurt my feelings if WM took another job.

By gratefuldawghead

January 21, 2009 9:10 AM | Link to this

I think Kirby Smart would be on the short list. I would love to have Van Gorder back. I want a mean, hot tempered, not Richt’s “buddy” coach!

By NCDAWG

January 21, 2009 9:10 AM | Link to this

If Willie does leave, who would be a good replacement?

Kirby Smart Tyrone Nix Tommy Tubberville ( I know that is a stretch)

http://footballandeverythingelse.blogspot.com/

By Roaddawg80

January 21, 2009 9:12 AM | Link to this

I agree with Chip and have said it all year!!! Most of you just look at the scoreboard then point fingers and it is ridiculous. WM has had a top Defense every year to this point except this year. Where he had key injuries to what anchors a Defense on the Defensive line. No senior leadership. Ellerbe and Owens was his leaders but both was injured all year.

The other thing is our Defense has carried us every year when the O was below average. Now the O was above average but put the D in holes all day long. Example Florida average starting position was our 48 yard line. I guess that was CWM fault. The ALabama game we turned the ball over 2 times in the first half and the offense went 3 and out 4 times. How does that help the Defense???

Don’t cry for someones head untill you read more into the game than what you do. If you don’t know football then don’t cry. Don’t say we play preent when last year we blitz 60% of the time and could not get there b/c we had no DE’s. Idiots. I am tired of it.

By Voice of Practicality

January 21, 2009 9:15 AM | Link to this

Everybody PLEASE learn that Rodney’s last name is Garner, not GarDner.

I believe CWM is a good (maybe great) coach, but I do not think he is acceptable as a coordinator.

By gratefuldawghead

January 21, 2009 9:15 AM | Link to this

lowcountry Bulldog…Martinez all ready got a $32,000 bonus THIS year! With today’s economy that is a slap in the face to us blue collar Dawg fans!

By bill

January 21, 2009 9:15 AM | Link to this

Chip in south Florida it is “da U”

By NCDAWG

January 21, 2009 9:16 AM | Link to this

If willie leaves who will replace him? kirby smart, tyrone nix, tommy tubberville ( I know that is a stretch) http://footballandeverythingelse.blogspot.com/

By Pago Flyer

January 21, 2009 9:19 AM | Link to this

I think we all should e mail “thug u” to take this guy.

By Alpharetta Dawg

January 21, 2009 9:22 AM | Link to this

Wrong again Chip! I agree that WM is a good DC but certainly not a great DC. Do you want to be good or great? Why do you think many of the 10 NFL players are in the NFL and making a bigger impact than they did in college? The answer is the NFL saw the size, speed, and athletism and they are coahing them up. Also keep in mind most impact players that went on to the NFL were recruited and developed by Van Gorder not WM (Davis/Belue/Pollack). The bottom line is WM has produced very average defenses with superior talent and that is unacceptable. Need some examples…Reshad Jones…Brandon Miller…Mucat Elmore and many more!

By Reality YECH

January 21, 2009 9:23 AM | Link to this

I just wanted to get a few things off of my puny, prepubescent chest (mm, thinking about hairless chests always revs my enginge). Im a pathetic loser. I don’t have anything good to say about my underachieving, THuga team, so I talk trash about the best school/team in the state. Im 19 and think im so tough and smart b/c I follow recruiting. I like to give TECHIES a hard time b/c I know that i will never get a good job with my HORTICULTURE degree. I know that I will never leave athens (like so many uga grads) and will just end up working as a bar tender b/c 83.5% of grads from uga stay in athens, and make less than $38,750 a year. Look it up.

By ROSWELL DAD

January 21, 2009 9:23 AM | Link to this

I remember well when Bud Carson just “wasn’t the right fit” for Georgia Tech. THEY ALL SAID, HE CAN’T COACH DIDDLY. Ole Bud went on to the Pittsburg Steelers and it was really his defense that won them all those Super Bowls. What the hell does the average football fan know about coaching, anyway? Gonna fire a guy on what JOE FAN thinks or surmises after sitting through a game in a drunken stupor, or losing a bit of money on a game he was hoping the DAWGS would win and win big enough to cover for him. Can remember when the HOUSTON VEER went up and down the field against the legendary Erk Russell’s defense at Georgia. Texas with Will Muschamp giving up 35-40 points per game, and had 2 defensive backs who couldn’t keep Crabtree out of the endzone and kept Texas from playing for a National Championship. Was that Will’s fault? Hell no, you are only as good as a coach as your players perform on agiven Saturday. But Will was the hottest assistant coach in the nation this year as to becoming a Head Coach, so much so that Texas made him the head coach in waiting, and rightly so. Sometimes, perception is not reality…..Think the Alabama game really took the wind out of the Bulldogs this year. After the #1 bullcrap, etc. they let the Alabama loss really take the steam out of them. Think they realized that they were not as good as people had built them up to be. Never got over the Alabama game….

By Reality YECH

January 21, 2009 9:23 AM | Link to this

I just wanted to get a few things off of my puny, prepubescent chest (mm, thinking about hairless chests always revs my enginge). Im a pathetic loser. I don’t have anything good to say about my underachieving, THuga team, so I talk trash about the best school/team in the state. Im 19 and think im so tough and smart b/c I follow recruiting. I like to give TECHIES a hard time b/c I know that i will never get a good job with my HORTICULTURE degree. I know that I will never leave athens (like so many uga grads) and will just end up working as a bar tender b/c 83.5% of grads from uga stay in athens, and make less than $38,750 a year. Look it up.

By Reality YECH

January 21, 2009 9:23 AM | Link to this

I just wanted to get a few things off of my puny, prepubescent chest (mm, thinking about hairless chests always revs my enginge). Im a pathetic loser. I don’t have anything good to say about my underachieving, THuga team, so I talk trash about the best school/team in the state. Im 19 and think im so tough and smart b/c I follow recruiting. I like to give TECHIES a hard time b/c I know that i will never get a good job with my HORTICULTURE degree. I know that I will never leave athens (like so many uga grads) and will just end up working as a bar tender b/c 83.5% of grads from uga stay in athens, and make less than $38,750 a year. Look it up.

By Reality YECH

January 21, 2009 9:23 AM | Link to this

I just wanted to get a few things off of my puny, prepubescent chest (mm, thinking about hairless chests always revs my enginge). Im a pathetic loser. I don’t have anything good to say about my underachieving, THuga team, so I talk trash about the best school/team in the state. Im 19 and think im so tough and smart b/c I follow recruiting. I like to give TECHIES a hard time b/c I know that i will never get a good job with my HORTICULTURE degree. I know that I will never leave athens (like so many uga grads) and will just end up working as a bar tender b/c 83.5% of grads from uga stay in athens, and make less than $38,750 a year. Look it up.

By Reality YECH

January 21, 2009 9:23 AM | Link to this

I just wanted to get a few things off of my puny, prepubescent chest (mm, thinking about hairless chests always revs my enginge). Im a pathetic loser. I don’t have anything good to say about my underachieving, THuga team, so I talk trash about the best school/team in the state. Im 19 and think im so tough and smart b/c I follow recruiting. I like to give TECHIES a hard time b/c I know that i will never get a good job with my HORTICULTURE degree. I know that I will never leave athens (like so many uga grads) and will just end up working as a bar tender b/c 83.5% of grads from uga stay in athens, and make less than $38,750 a year. Look it up.

By Reality YECH

January 21, 2009 9:23 AM | Link to this

I just wanted to get a few things off of my puny, prepubescent chest (mm, thinking about hairless chests always revs my enginge). Im a pathetic loser. I don’t have anything good to say about my underachieving, THuga team, so I talk trash about the best school/team in the state. Im 19 and think im so tough and smart b/c I follow recruiting. I like to give TECHIES a hard time b/c I know that i will never get a good job with my HORTICULTURE degree. I know that I will never leave athens (like so many uga grads) and will just end up working as a bar tender b/c 83.5% of grads from uga stay in athens, and make less than $38,750 a year. Look it up.

By Reality YECH

January 21, 2009 9:23 AM | Link to this

I just wanted to get a few things off of my puny, prepubescent chest (mm, thinking about hairless chests always revs my enginge). Im a pathetic loser. I don’t have anything good to say about my underachieving, THuga team, so I talk trash about the best school/team in the state. Im 19 and think im so tough and smart b/c I follow recruiting. I like to give TECHIES a hard time b/c I know that i will never get a good job with my HORTICULTURE degree. I know that I will never leave athens (like so many uga grads) and will just end up working as a bar tender b/c 83.5% of grads from uga stay in athens, and make less than $38,750 a year. Look it up.

By Reality YECH

January 21, 2009 9:23 AM | Link to this

I just wanted to get a few things off of my puny, prepubescent chest (mm, thinking about hairless chests always revs my enginge). Im a pathetic loser. I don’t have anything good to say about my underachieving, THuga team, so I talk trash about the best school/team in the state. Im 19 and think im so tough and smart b/c I follow recruiting. I like to give TECHIES a hard time b/c I know that i will never get a good job with my HORTICULTURE degree. I know that I will never leave athens (like so many uga grads) and will just end up working as a bar tender b/c 83.5% of grads from uga stay in athens, and make less than $38,750 a year. Look it up.

By Reality YECH

January 21, 2009 9:23 AM | Link to this

I just wanted to get a few things off of my puny, prepubescent chest (mm, thinking about hairless chests always revs my enginge). Im a pathetic loser. I don’t have anything good to say about my underachieving, THuga team, so I talk trash about the best school/team in the state. Im 19 and think im so tough and smart b/c I follow recruiting. I like to give TECHIES a hard time b/c I know that i will never get a good job with my HORTICULTURE degree. I know that I will never leave athens (like so many uga grads) and will just end up working as a bar tender b/c 83.5% of grads from uga stay in athens, and make less than $38,750 a year. Look it up.

By Reality YECH

January 21, 2009 9:23 AM | Link to this

I just wanted to get a few things off of my puny, prepubescent chest (mm, thinking about hairless chests always revs my enginge). Im a pathetic loser. I don’t have anything good to say about my underachieving, THuga team, so I talk trash about the best school/team in the state. Im 19 and think im so tough and smart b/c I follow recruiting. I like to give TECHIES a hard time b/c I know that i will never get a good job with my HORTICULTURE degree. I know that I will never leave athens (like so many uga grads) and will just end up working as a bar tender b/c 83.5% of grads from uga stay in athens, and make less than $38,750 a year. Look it up.

By AltamahaDawg

January 21, 2009 9:23 AM | Link to this

No he doesnt play prevent “mostly”, not even close. He plays very much the same as all programs at any level including the top. He also plays the exact same thing BVG did. There are times he did go prevent quicker, I believe because of personel and situation, dictated some by the offense’s issues at times this year. I think what really upset some fans this year was when Mark Richt in as nice of a way as he could suggested that most people dont know thier defensive strategies as well as they think they do. Then he rattled off 7 blitz packages that were used in the first half of Alabama game alone. What upset everyone is that they knew he was right, they dont know.

What amazes me is not somebodies opinion that Martinez isnt right for UGA, or that somebody else would be….its the juvenile ANGER expressed in here. As if the guy personally insulted them. “good ridance”, “dont let the door hit you”. The guy shows up, works hard, does the best job he can, ( which is saying more than most folks can honestly say). So tell me why you would be personally angry with the man? Who the hell are you people? I deal with hundreds of people all the time and seriously I just dont know adults who act that way , and say those kind of things about real people in real life. I also am positive NONE of you would say it in person. Not for any fear, just knowing how ridiculous you would look, sitting in a room of UGA coaches, giving them your vast knowledge of how it’s supposed to be done.

If you want to get angry at somebody, try Mark Richt. Willie Martinez didn’t hire himself, and isnt the one who decides if he has a job. In fact Richt is the one who directs the “type” of defensive philosophy his program will have.

I’m sure it would be easy enough to contact him, and give him a dose of your anger that you so freely dispurse sitting at your computer. Call him, write him. Email him, take some action, do something. Since it’s obvious that some of you are so much more motivated, passionate about UGA football, and harder working than any of the UGA coaches, I would think p** and moaning behind a fake nickname in a sports blog is really not your style.

And suggesting that coach Richt would put his job, his family, and all that is dear to him, not to mention the other coaches who are also his great freind at risk, becasue he is only supporting his “pal”, might be as dumb of a comment as there is. The Worst part is that you dont even believe that and still say it.

By gratefuldawghead

January 21, 2009 9:26 AM | Link to this

Roaddawg80… I agree with most of your points like injuries and no DE’s this year. Can you explain how Van Gorder had ONE game (LSU)where the other team scored 30 or more points and since 2005 when Martinez took over the DAWGS have 11 to 12 (I lost count) games with 30 or more points? Roaddawg80 you seem to know the defense better than myself so what you got? Thanks

By Go Sooners

January 21, 2009 9:27 AM | Link to this

Whatever the Dawgs need to do beat the Gators is all that really matters, ALSO DAWG FANS don’t lose sight of OK ST first game of the season, they are returning alot of starters!!

By lefty dawg

January 21, 2009 9:30 AM | Link to this

I can see what Chip is saying here. However I do have one major concern about coach Martinez. His halftime adjustments in 2 of our losses were pathetic. We trailed florida 14-3 at halftime then give up 35 in the second half, we led the techers 28-12 at halftime then gave up 33 in the second half including 2 straight 2 point plays. Our guys just looked like deer in headlights in both second halfs. I think Martinez is a good coach, & good gameplanner, but i don’t like the “adjustments” we make coming out of the locker room after halftime. I wish him well in whatever he decides and think CRG would make an excellent DC.

By Whatever

January 21, 2009 9:32 AM | Link to this

Roaddawg80- You use numbers to prove your point. That’s good. Now look up these numbers; UGA’s defense has gotten progressively worse in almost every statistical category possible since WM took over. Look it up. The problem, unfortunately, is not just him. Bobo is so overmatched it’s scary. Does anyone actually think he’s qualified to be an SEC playcaller?!?! Can anyone actually see, Spurrier, Saban, Meyer, Miles, Carrol, Tressel, Stoops, or Brown hiring Bobo if they had and OC position available?!?! I sure as heck can’t. THey’d probably laugh at you.

By Burning Red

January 21, 2009 9:32 AM | Link to this

I got news folks if WM leaves can you say screwed we would loose so many recruits a new coach new system i would like to see what happens for 1 more year give him a chance are defence was not that bad last year when we went to the sugar bowl was it??? the year before we had a good D but are offence sucked i think he just needs bigger guys in the front D line who can stop the physical Oline men of the SEC he has to have a certain breed of players to make it work we just have not had alot of big guys on are team lately no big strong safety are line backers are rather small we now have some big secondary coming in to play this year with asher leaving so have hope give the man a chance to play and win again we don’t need to become FLA and hate are coach when we don’t win when we can’t win them all GO DAWGS GO DAWGS GO DAWGS GO DAWGS!!!!!!!!!!!

By obxdawg

January 21, 2009 9:34 AM | Link to this

Chip, you should know better than most of us that what matters are the results. Not how committed he is, not what kind of effort he puts in, or not how hard he tries. I am sure all of that is true. As cliche’ as it may sound, results are what matters! both in life and in college football. He has had ample talent to get the job done, but we cannot be successful with a continuance of the stupid penalties, poor tackleing, and a general lack of discipline on the defensive side of the ball. Ultimately I’m just a fan like everyone else here and I know CMR will make the right call.

By TheItalianDawg

January 21, 2009 9:37 AM | Link to this

wow!! that will be an early, very pleasant christmas gift, but I dont think its gonna happen for 2 reasons: 1-Miami is not that stupid 2- the coaching staff in Miami is not that stable and WM knows it. so he wont risk being jobless after 2 seasons.

but if it happens, it could be the best thing happen to georgia program

By Otto

January 21, 2009 9:37 AM | Link to this

Martinez wasn’t the greatest problem look at the players lost for the season especially DE and how many times the offense put them in a hole. As for da U Shannon has really cleaned that program up. Penn St., Va Tech etc all grab more headlines than the Canes.

By Mac

January 21, 2009 9:40 AM | Link to this

Rodney Garner

By Lowcountry Bulldawg

January 21, 2009 9:40 AM | Link to this

Thanks Dead forgot about that raise! Pretty funny isn’t it.

Alt again very good points.

CWM was put in terrible siuations in the Florida game and Alabama game with turnovers. My complaint is the fact that time and time again his sudden change defense never worked. When the defense in those games needed to make a play they couldn’t. We have examples against LSU and UK when they did, but LSU was down and UK had no business being in the game. Penalty’s, injury’s and the inability to get big stops killed the defense all season. How much of this are we to blame CWM? I don’t have that answer.

By Voice of Reason

January 21, 2009 9:43 AM | Link to this

if 83.5% of grads stayed in athens it would be a HUGE town!!

By gdawginkalamazoo

January 21, 2009 9:43 AM | Link to this

I have to agree with Roaddawg80 up there. It is a team sport and up until this year the defense carried the team along way. Now we have one fo the top offenses in the SEC and the defense has slipped. TO’s, 3 and outs just don’t help a defense that is working hard to get a stop. How many yards rushing did the offense have in that third quarter of the Tech game? TOP gives the defense a rest believe it or not. Sure call it an off year due to injuries for the defense but there are still times when the players seem out of position or just can’t get that stop on the opponents drives late in the game. I can’t speak to his work ethics because I am not out there at the practices or in the film room. Results are all that I am privy to. That Tech game was horrible. 400+ yards rushing? Two weeks to prepare. Players out of position all day long. I thought well maybe Johnson has it figured out and Tech’s gimmicky O will do well in college football. Then the Chick-Fil-A bowl happened. Then I though more about it and Gardner-Webb came to mind etc, etc. Score 42 points and still lose? I don’t know. I just can’t wait until September again. This basketball just isn’t cutting it. Whatever happens with Willie I hope he gets an all healthy D and an offense that can give those D kids a rest this season.

By Football Ken

January 21, 2009 9:45 AM | Link to this

Will be hard to stop CWM if Miami offers. Better start looking now. One name other than Garner. Sean McDermott, Eagles secondary coach. Wants to be a DC,can you imagine that Jim Johnson blitzing, attacking style with our athletes. Wow!!

By RoystonDawg

January 21, 2009 9:47 AM | Link to this

AltamahaDawg,

Brother, you speak the truth! I love it! I have wondered myself about the nature of the coach/player directed comments. It would be amazing to see what this world could be like if these people channeled an ounce of their passion for college football into, let’s say, life in general. But I guess the overall performance and fate of a Defensive Coordinator is much more paramount by nature. Oh yeah, YECH, are you serious boy? Best team in the state? You’re just being silly! Stop it, please!!

By mike addington

January 21, 2009 9:50 AM | Link to this

The facts speak: Georgia couldn’t or wouldn’t tackle physical ball carriers coming up the middle all year. Was it scheme, heart, inability. I don’t know because at that level the defenses and offenses are so complicated, you might think you’re seeing one thing and it’s actually another. All I know is that the defense looked crappy and the offense wasn’t much better except in spurts. Frankly, I’ll swap Stafford’s supposed greatness for a little consistentsy, although I’m really going to miss Knowshon. He reminded me of Rodney Hampton with all his changes of direction. Personally, I think we missed Sturdivant and Owens more than anyone realizes. We’ll see next year I guess. Oh, Massie, anyone seen Bobbie Massie?

By dawgfacedboy

January 21, 2009 9:54 AM | Link to this

If bobo and martinez could put together a good game on the same day (in a big game) we’d be a lot better off! If the D shows up, the offense looks inept (S.C. game last year) If the O shows up the D can’t stop anybody (Tech this year). Neither showed for the Bama or the Fla games this year or the UT game last year. Consistency is the biggest problem I see. When you watch Fla. play they look prepared, ready. Is it too much to ask for our team to come out and at least compete every Saturday?? I’m not expecting us to win every game. Just look prepared, and ready to play and at least compete. Give him another year. If it’s a replay of this past year then send him packing.

By AltamahaDawg

January 21, 2009 9:55 AM | Link to this

grateful, if this were the N.C.dont give up30A.A., thats would matter. In 4 years UGA won all of 2 games more with BVG. That’s what matters, wins. His defenses also gave up in the high 20 on quite a few occations. And I could list a handful of poor performances from a BVG coach team. And whoever we might hire as a DC would have them over time as well. We are stunned that UGA gave up 24 point this year which is 4 more than last years team which most folks considered one of the best in the country. I could easily find 4 ppg that the defense had nothing to do with this year.

Even losing count of all those points, would you care to take a guess, what the actual difference is between the 2 DCs over thier 4 yrs was in term of points average? A hint: not much.

How is UGA putting up 40 on SEC teams now. Are all DC in the league for crap? One might even notive how many more points are being score across the board in the past few year.

So who knows why? How did Erk’s defense give up such high points for the day, and drop so many games over his career at UGA?

By CHARLOTTE DAWG

January 21, 2009 9:58 AM | Link to this

Reality Yech also knows a great deal about technology. yep, he just kept posting to make sure the world saw his thoughts.

Wow. Even “bartenders making $38,750 a year” know not to keep hitting post.

Thanks for the laugh though.

By Bernie

January 21, 2009 9:59 AM | Link to this

I’m all for consistency, but if CWM is offered the position and wants to leave…more power to him. If Garner’s ready, great. If not, then we should have our pick of quality applicants.

Cherry pick the best available. Go Dawgs!

[Bernie’sDawgBlawg] (http://berniesdawgblawg.blogspot.com)

By Roaddawg80

January 21, 2009 10:04 AM | Link to this

To whatever and gratefuldawghead.

You guys are falling into everything i said. The fact is yes his defenses are not as good as VanGorders. However, CBV was DC when Greene was there and we were a control Offense. Take in mind how CWM era was coaching when we had to go through with the growning pains of Stafford. A true freshman and sophmore years. Look how many times he turned the ball over those years. Guys his freshman year we turned it over like at least 4 times a game(SC Stafford threw 3 INT and yet we still pitched a shutout). But yet CWM Defense kept us in the games. Were you calling for his head then or giving him praise. NO. He has done a great job. In 09 you will see a huge differece for the fact that we will have more producing DE’s and more senior leadership. Two things that you cannot replace.

By Halberstram

January 21, 2009 10:09 AM | Link to this

Not sure if it’s been mentioned, but Martinez likely won’t be getting a raise outside of the one mentioned a month or so ago by Richt. When Garner and Searles both said no, they weren’t offered additional raises. I don’t see Richt giving one to Martinez either. They are already getting one, which is debatable whether all have earned it. Regardless Chip, I don’t think he’ll get another one.

By Rick S

January 21, 2009 10:14 AM | Link to this

Regarding losing Martinez would be bad for Georgia but sorry I will take my chances on another Defensive Coordinator especially after so many poor performances during his tenure as Defensive Coordinator.

By DawgGirl32

January 21, 2009 10:16 AM | Link to this

AltamahaDawg and RoadDawg- I couldn’t have said it better myself. I was shocked to read some of these comments on here. I’ve been just as unhappy with our defensive performaces this year as anybody, but to say “good riddance” and all that other nonsense is just disrespectful. People have a very short memory and forget that our defense was in the top 10 last year. To think that people actually believe that Mark Richt would risk our team, season, and his job just to play nice with his buddies is ridiculous. He knows wayyyy more about coaching than any of you on here, and if he feels that WM is the right man to lead our defense, then we need to trust him. And stop comparing him to Van Gorder. This is a different time. SEC teams have offenses that are more similar to Big 12 offenses now. The average number of points any SEC offense has put up on an opponent has increased over the last few years. I don’t think people realize what a blow it would be to our program if we actually did lose Martinez. Chip is exactly right. Be careful what you wish for.

By MoDawg

January 21, 2009 10:18 AM | Link to this

If Willie goes, then I wish him well. I’d like to see Garner take over at DC and let’s go find a young, hungry star-in-the-making to coach up our DBs.

Willie has been a good dawg, but we need to have someone in that position who can keep the guys focused, fast and furious through the whole game. We can’t afford to take a lead and then sit back and play “safe”. Or in the case of the Alabama game, we can’t afford to come into a game thinking the black jerseys and the crowd will be enough to control the game. Our lack of early focus and preparedness cost us that game.

The 2nd half of the Florida game had more to do with momentum, the offense pressing and the refs not paying attention, but the GT game was all about lack of focus and sitting back on our lead. That’s something we have done far too often during the Martinez tenure. The defense didn’t put 4 quarters of quality football together all year. That is coaching, pure and simple.

By Fort Worth Dawg

January 21, 2009 10:21 AM | Link to this

Coach Richt’s first staff at UGA had a few guys he picked from all over, and many of them were effectively no-names (and some were selected because their overmatched schools did well against FSU). These guys owe a lot to Coach Richt, in many cases expanding their earning potential many times more than could be expected. I remember thinking that Garner was definitely one coach that Richt had to retain and that decision appears to have been correct. I also remember the story about Spurrier - he wanted a DC who minimized the opponent’s time of possession so Spurrier’s beloved offense would have more time to run up the score. Spurrier looked at the numbers nationally and hired Bob Stoops who had the best numbers.

By Bernie

January 21, 2009 10:33 AM | Link to this

I’m all for consistency, but if CWM is offered the position and wants to leave…more power to him. If Garner’s ready, great. If not, then we should have our pick of quality applicants.

Cherry pick the best available. Go Dawgs!

Bernie’sDawgBlawg

By Ed

January 21, 2009 10:34 AM | Link to this

I may not be a coach myself, and I certainly can’t name 7 blitz packages, but I know what a 3-and-out, followed by a punt, looks like. I know what the other team celebrating in the UGA end zone looks like. Lately, we’ve seen too much of the latter and not enough of the former.

By Plant

January 21, 2009 10:34 AM | Link to this

FINALLY a realistic view of Coach Martinez. I’m so sick and tired of all of these “experts” who think they know football better than Coach Richt and his staff. If you trust Coach Richt, you should trust his decisions for the team.

By amazing dogs

January 21, 2009 10:34 AM | Link to this

All of this b.s. from you dog fans can be boiled down to a simple fact. The uga dogs are never as good as you think they are….which just proves you don’t know squat about football and whether a coach is any good or not. The most hilarious thing any of you said, is if martinez goes uga “will have the pick of the best available D coordinators”…I’m still laughing at the fool who said that. Do you seriously think coaches are clamoring to live in a hick college town like Athens? LMAO

By ApopkaDawg

January 21, 2009 10:36 AM | Link to this

Careful what you wish for??? Chip, lets address a couple of your points regarding keeping Willie around. 1. “He’s produced three All-America DBs at UGA and is about to have his 10th drafted into the NFL.” That is a very weak statement, considering the all star recruits that Willie has had to work with. If Willie was actually a great DC, I imagine those numbers would be a lot higher.
2. “…helped win a national championship as a defensive back at Miami in 1983.” Did Willie even start while at Miami? I guess everyone “helped” with the win. Even the equipment manager “helped” with the win. 3. “He has all those Florida connections and recruits that area hard — and well — for the Bulldogs.” Now that statement is almost comical. Last I checked Urban Myer OWNS the state of Florida. It is all we can do to keep him away from the state of Florida. If the past 4 years is any indication of Willie’s “hard” recruiting of Florida, I’m still willing to help Willie pack his bags. 4. “He has played and coached the game at a very high level.” Chip, what are you talking about? Granted he played at Miami and that was a “high level” program while he was there, but his coaching resume is anything but “high.” Just a few stats on Willie’s resume to fire up the Bulldawg Nation:

a) 1992-93 Grand Valley State - DC / D-Backs 92 team went 8-3, gave up 45pts to Indiana 93 team went 6-3-2, gave up 34pts and 38pts side note: After Willie left, them went back to 8-4

b) 1994 Cent Mich - D-Backs 94 team went 9-3, gave up 52pts twice

c) 1995-96 Cent FL - D-Coord / D-Backs 95 team went 4-7, gave up 34pts adn 48pts 96 team went 5-6, gave up 55pts, 46pts, and 51pts

d) 1997 E Mich - D-Backs 97 team went 4-7, gave up 44pts, 38pts, 41pts, 47pts, 48pts, and 41pts

e) 1998-99 Cent Mich - D-Backs 98 team went 6-5, gave up 38pts twice 99 team went 4-7, gave up 47pts, 58pts, 38pts, 31pts, and 32pts

f) 2000 Cent Mich - Assist Head Coach, DC 2000 team went 2-9, gave up 48pts, 31pts, 47pts, 41pts, 52pts, 38pts, 31pts, and 40pts

From 2000 to present he left to become a coach at UGA. Now I ask you Chip, does this resume warrant a coaching position at UGA or any Division I school for that matter. I have nothing against the man personnaly, but enought is enought. The man is in over his head. The longer we keep Willie the more we can expect at least 2 BLOW UP games a year. His resume speaks volumes as to the type of coach he is. We could have very easily lost the UK and AU games last year. Nothing short of a couple of very athletic plays from top notch players kept UGA from going 7-5 last year. It had NOTHING to do with Willie’s defensive scheme. It anything, his scheme was getting completely picked apart in the closing drives of both of those games. I think we can all agree that the Tech game was a defensive break down play and simple. The longer we keep Willie, the longer we can expect 9-3 (or worse) seasons.

PS: Miami fans and coaching staff, disregard all of the above. Willie is a wonderful coach and you would be getting a top notch coach for your staff.

By hop

January 21, 2009 10:42 AM | Link to this

this is not the time to make a last minute change with any of our coaches much less you head defensive coach. yes, i was not pleased at the end of the year,but that was the time to do it, not now.

so i hope that willie will stay and i was very pleased with the effort during the recent bowl victory.

By D3

January 21, 2009 10:43 AM | Link to this

Martinez deserves another year as DC for what he has done in the past. Everybody has a bad year, and in his case a really bad year. Giving up an average of 42 points to UK, FL, ALA, GT, & LSU. But he does deserve another year. There were injuries and the offense put them in some really bad situations, but that just happens some time. Coach Richt even took blame for not hitting in practice. He was the DC when we won our second SEC title.

Objectively though, the defense did look undisciplined in general. The discussion shouldn’t be on him being fired, because he hasn’t been and won’t be. He’s earned a chance to correct it, and he will. The discussion is on if he left. And if he does decide to leave than one person has more than enough earned it: Rodney Garner. Promoting from within and giving him a well-earned shot. Its a win-win. Martinez stays and corrects his D (hopefully) or leaves and gives a coach a shot who has more than enough earned it.

By FLA DAWG

January 21, 2009 10:45 AM | Link to this

Well Boys,

I think we are all going to find out if Martinez thinks he will do well next season at UGA or not. He will base his decision at least in part on that. So, if he chooses to leave then it would reveal lack of confidence in himself.

If he stays, it’s a gutsy call on his part and I’d respect him for it. But he’d better cut the mustard next season with a hard hitting defense that plays with intensity.

I am anxious to learn what decision he makes if offered the job. We’ll all learn alot from it.

By DawgsRule

January 21, 2009 10:50 AM | Link to this

If Martinez leaves, I’ll be partying nonstop for a couple of days baby with my two best friends, Jack Daniels and Budweiser!

By Fred G. Sanford

January 21, 2009 10:51 AM | Link to this

The “G” stands for Georgia, you big dummy!

Let me apologize up front for the lengthy post that will follow. I appreciate the measured response to CWM, but here are the stats of UGA football defense since day 1. Read it when you have time and draw your own conclusions. From a purely statistical standpoint, CWM has been a disaster. Here goes….

The following facts all are facts:

• In the first century of Georgia football (1892-1991), the Red and Black lost two games in which they scored at least 28 points. During that same period, the Classic City Canines never lost a game in which they scored at least 29 points.

• During the Ray Goff and Jim Donnan eras (1989-2000), the Bulldogs lost seven games in which they scored at least 28 points, falling 34-31 to Tennessee in 1992, 42-28 to Auburn in 1993, 29-28 to Alabama in 1994, 43-30 to Vanderbilt in 1994, 37-31 to Auburn in 1995, 45-34 to Auburn in 1997, and 51-48 to Georgia Tech in 1999.

• During the aforementioned Ray Goff and Jim Donnan eras, Georgia had five defensive coordinators: Richard Bell (1989-1993), Marion Campbell (1994), Joe Kines (1995-1998), Kevin Ramsey (1999), and Gary Gibbs (2000).

• During the four years in which Brian VanGorder served as Georgia’s defensive coordinator (2001-2004), the Bulldogs lost ten games. In those ten games, the ‘Dawgs scored nine, ten, 17, 16, 13, ten, 13, 13, 14, and six points, respectively.

• During the four years in which Willie Martinez has served as Georgia’s defensive coordinator (2005-2008), the Bulldogs have lost twelve games. In those twelve games, the ‘Dawgs scored ten, 30, 35, 33, 22, 14, 20, twelve, 14, 30, ten, and 42 points, respectively.

To reiterate: Georgia scored 28 points in defeat just twice in the first 100 years of Red and Black football; Georgia never scored more than 28 points in defeat in the first 100 years of Red and Black football; Georgia scored 28 or more points in defeat seven times in the twelve years of the Ray Goff and Jim Donnan eras, during which the Bulldogs had five different defensive coordinators; Georgia never scored more than 17 points in defeat during the four years that Brian VanGorder served as Georgia’s defensive coordinator; Georgia has scored more than 28 points in defeat five times during the four years that Willie Martinez has served as Georgia’s defensive coordinator; and Georgia has not scored 28 or more points in defeat more than twice during the tenure of any previous defensive coordinator in Bulldog history.

By FLA DAWG

January 21, 2009 10:53 AM | Link to this

ApopkaDawg,

Greetings from S.Fla. I knew Martinez had a less than stellar performance history but was unaware of the stats you provide. If these numbers are correct - and I am not doubting you personally, then clearly this man obtained the UGA DC position by “who you know” rather than “what you know” methods.

By BLAZER

January 21, 2009 11:00 AM | Link to this

ROADIE GARNIER??

By joe taxpayer

January 21, 2009 11:01 AM | Link to this

He will stay, he has job security in Athens; none in Miami.

By truth be known

January 21, 2009 11:26 AM | Link to this

If 83.5% of dawg grads in the senior class stayed every year after they graduated than Athens would have at least 1 million people by now. I just hate it when someone just makes up stats or they hear some mindless stat that anybody with 2 cents worth of common sense can figure out is total bs.

By UGA ALum

January 21, 2009 11:30 AM | Link to this

“I haven’t seen this reported strongly elsewhere but according to this audio from something called www.winnersvillesports.com out of Valdosta”

Something called?? what does that mean exactly? anytime you see www.example.com — that is a website

If you are going to use their work to report your story, show some respect.

By UGA rules

January 21, 2009 11:35 AM | Link to this

truth be known

Your point? What or who are you referring to?

By FLA DAWG

January 21, 2009 11:38 AM | Link to this

Chip,

Some very specific stats on Martinez have been stated on your site. I’d very much like to read comments from you regarding the accuracy. I’m sure you have access to reliable stat info about Martinez.

Please respond for the benefit of all of your readers. Thanks

By big gator

January 21, 2009 11:39 AM | Link to this

truth be known you didn’t read the blog very well it says 85% of grads as in graduation not beer drinking thugs who go to school a couple of years and then go to working at walmart. that makes athens much smaller.

By big gator's a tard

January 21, 2009 11:44 AM | Link to this

big gator’s jorts must be a little too tight.

By Maddog

January 21, 2009 11:49 AM | Link to this

big gator

Granted, some of UGAs athletes do participate in underage drinking, however, none have ever been charged with illegally using a dead girlfriends credit care or discharging an AK47 in public. People in glass houses (or in your case, glass trailers)….

By Buddy El

January 21, 2009 11:59 AM | Link to this

You keep mentioning Tuberville as a Defensive Coordinator. I believe that would be wonderful but isn’t there a 2 year restriction on his signing on with a an SEC team????????????????????????????

By HairyBalls

January 21, 2009 12:03 PM | Link to this

I am running and taking over this board now. What I say goes!!!!!! CWM shouldhave never been put in the DC job. He should have stayed at coaching the DB’s. Let him go. UF putting all those Freshmens & Sophs on the field and kicking our azzes. Injuries are not an excuse I will accept. It is coaching, coaching coaching. How many top 10 recruitinf classes has Utah had? How many top 25 reccuiting class has Utah had? NONE. So the wqay I look at it all 11 D starters could be lost for the year and we should be able to compete. If FL can win the NC with freshmen and Sophmores then we should not be so awful on D. Now if you want to know anything else ask HairyBalls!!!!

By big gator

January 21, 2009 12:07 PM | Link to this

maddog should we count the rape of the girl in their dorm. and that was by how many ath.

By gratefuldawghead

January 21, 2009 12:19 PM | Link to this

I haven’t been happy with Martinez, but my PEP’s are telling me Martinez is Dam Close to getting Greg Reid!

By Denver dog

January 21, 2009 12:36 PM | Link to this

Chip,

I have said it all along while all of these people wanted Willies hide, be careful! There are a few lessons of life to go on: 1) When you jump from a boat, make sure there is land or you can swim. 2) The darkest hour is just before dawn. 3) If someone always wants your people, you and they are doing something right.

If Willie leaves, it will be becuase they want something he does well. Part learned, part execution.

He is a good coach, if he stays he will be good, if he leaves he will be good, the question is where will UGA be?

By Fed Up Dawg

January 21, 2009 12:51 PM | Link to this

You can bet if Martinez gets the Miami offer that he’s gone like the wind, just like Moreno and Stafford. Their efforts are rarely appreciated by the crybaby spoiled rotten faction of the bulldog nation. What incentive do they have to stay? I have been ashamed to be a Georgia fan the past 3 or 4 months. I have never seen so much whining in all my life.

Stafford threw for like a gazzillion yards in the Kentucky game and a winning touchdown pass. Yet I clearly remember coming on this blog and reading scores of morons trashing the guy’s performance. That is just but one example that immediately comes to mind. And how could we all forget the thrashing that Moreno took for supposedly “taking himself out” of games? The guy that Mark Richt once billed as the hardest worker he has ever seen suddenly became a spoiled lazy brat. Then you idiots wonder why these guys bolted for the NFL? Are you freaking kidding me? I’m not saying Georgia fans drove them away, but your lack of support sure as heck didn’t help matters any. They might have been more willing to don the red and black again if they knew the fans had their back, but we’ll never know. Its been nothing but one thing after a damn another this year. It would take me all day to list out all the thing things that nancy boy Georgia fans have been crying about this season. The list is virtually endless.

Keep it up morons and we may start to feel the effects in recruiting. I’m surprised we haven’t to be quite honest. I bet alot of the recruits and current players read this stuff sometimes. I wouldn’t want to play for a bunch of bitter ingrates like yourselves. Who would?

By Gary

January 21, 2009 12:52 PM | Link to this

I was disappointed in the play sometimes of the defense, but not enough to railroad a good coach. I agree that this is Coach Richt’s decision, it’s his program and ultimately, his job on the line. I believe Richt has earned the right to choose his own staff and evaluate their performance. That’s his job, not ours.

Sure, results could have been better and there’s no harm in holding his feet to the fire, but we don’t see everything Martinez is doing, Richt does. I’ve never heard players complaining about late signals being sent in causing problems. And you know they work on fundamentals like tackling every single practice, so it really is disingenuous to blame the coach for poor tackling. At some point players have to step up and perform.

Those that point to the Alabama game as being a turning point downhill for the defense forget how well they played the 2nd half, not the sign of a unit that has given up.

On the other hand, given the results last year, if Miami makes him a great offer to jump, I don’t think we should throw money at Martinez to stay unless CMR honestly thinks there is no other DC out there he can hire that can do a better job.

I want to see a National Championship as much as anyone, but not enough to throw the baby out with the bathwater. Let the coaches focus on recruiting more David Pollacks and improving other areas that need attention. Let the Head Coach pick his staff. Everyone else just needs to show up on game day and cheer their dogs on.

By Pitbull

January 21, 2009 12:59 PM | Link to this

Chip, not all of the Bulldog fans have been calling for Martinez to leave as the AJC writers would have us believe. I know there are some dead head bloggers that cannot cope with anything other than a 14-0 record, but be assured that they make up a small minority of Bulldog fans, although they seem to get the majority of the press because that makes headlines.

I think Martinez is an excellent defensive coordinator and feel his job this past year was outstanding given the number of injuries the team had. Miami must feel the same way.

I also think our offensive line coach did an outstanding job this year given the injuries. Auburn must feel the same way.

I hope Martinez will stay. He is a good coach.

When I look back at the season, we had 1 horrible half against Alabama and one horrible quarter against Tech. Florida was simply a better team.

I do think the coaching staff needs to teach defenders how to wrap up the legs on a tackle, but I got the impression from CMR’s comments that the team did not practice tackling as much as it should have because of injuries and trying to avoid any more of them in practice.

It cost us in the third quarter of the Tech game. Might I remind readers that the Georgia defense still gave up fewer points than the Tech defense in that game. The difference was the Stafford interception returned for 7 points. We lost by 3 points.

Anyway Chip, I agree with you that people who criticize Martinez may be in for a shock if he was to leave. He has done a lot with many second string players that have been forced to start before they were ready.

By AceDawg

January 21, 2009 1:01 PM | Link to this

I have no issue with Martinez as a person, and he is a better coordinator than a lot of them out there, but UGA has high expectations right now, and the defense should be pretty punishing and powerful if recruiting means anything.

Since our defense has declined every year (ex: more points per game every year) since Martinez took over, the criticism fans give is just and deserved. The game clock speeds up this year, there is less scoring and yards gained this year, and yet UGA declines despite playing a number of anemic and overmatched offenses (GA Southern, Auburn, Tenn, Kentucky to name a few).

Just because Marcus Howard got a thousand sacks on Hawaii in 2008, let’s not kid ourselves and think that UGA’s defense is where it could be right now. I’m confidant that a better option is available, although I realize selecting the right option would still be a challenge.

That said, if the UGA defense recovers in 2009, the team should be better overall than it was in either 2007 or 2008. The offensive yards per game could drop off but be more efficient by scoring in the red zone when it matters every once in a while this year. That’s one area where Bobo/Richt need to hammer out the kinks. No more screen passes and quirky stuff near the end zone - find somebody to catch the ball at tight end and use them!

By Kendawg

January 21, 2009 1:09 PM | Link to this

So what if CWM is close to getting Greg Reid. When Reshad Jones came out of high school, he was rated the number one safety in the nation. Anyone who saw Reshad play this past season would hardly rate him the No. 1 safety in the nation. He wasn’t even adequate. It doesn’t do any good to get great talent if they’re not coached well. As far as I’m concerned, Miami can have CWM.

By Kendawg

January 21, 2009 1:12 PM | Link to this

By the way, Chip. IMHO, results count more than a person’s “commitment to the program”.

By Jim

January 21, 2009 1:17 PM | Link to this

gratefuldawghead - here’s a Martinez-friendly explanation for Van Gorder Ds giving up 30 once and Martinez Ds giving up 30 eleven times.

Comparing 2001-04 to 2005-08 is comparing apples and oranges.

Van Gorder’s last three defenses only had to contend with Zook teams at UF. Martinez has had to face Meyer.

Martinez defenses had to contend with two years of Cutcliffe as UT’s offensive coordinator. Van Gorder’s UT adversary was Randy Sanders.

Two of Martinez’s 30 point games were against top flight spread offenses from outside the conference: Troy in 2007 (who put up 31 on UF that year, too) and WVU in the Sugar Bowl. How many spread offenses did Van Gorder’s defenses face?

By AltamahaDawg

January 21, 2009 1:28 PM | Link to this

Actually the biggest difference next year will be seen at DE but it will be caused by an unblockable middle line.

Anyone that has seen me in here over the years should know I have said several times, won’t break my heart to see WM move on and I predicted he would eventually leave on his own terms within the next few years for job offer that was bound to get his attention. I dont think this is the one yet, however.

In the meantime he is the DC of your Georgia Bulldawgs. Seems like the grown up thing to do would be to actually discuss what would be required for a better product on the field next year, that doesnt include something that isn’t going to happen. Or hope for the worst next year to support your own agenda, hard as that is to figure out.

Even when he leaves, we will get an excellent replacement, but its foolish to think that anything philosophically is going to change. Richt has a formula and he will simple continue doing what he has been doing with the new guy. And folks will continue to be critical when we give up points and lose a few games. Its funny how nobody remember the grumbling from anything past a couple of years ago. Trust me, BVG had a few games where he would have been grilled in here, if this blog had reached the capacity it has now.

By GeoffDawg

January 21, 2009 1:30 PM | Link to this

Jim, Didn’t Auburn run the spread in that 3-2 offensive masterpiece this year? The spread isn’t magic or every team in the country would be running it. It’s possible to defense it just like any other system.

By Wil Walton

January 21, 2009 1:32 PM | Link to this

There seems to be arguements and opinions for both sides. I, for one, will trust in Coach Richt to do what’s best for UGA (if Coach Martinez is offered the position).

By HAHA

January 21, 2009 1:37 PM | Link to this

45-42

By gratefuldawghead

January 21, 2009 1:40 PM | Link to this

On a positive note…When the majority of the fans started calling Martinez and the Defense out after the Tech game they played much better in the Capital One Bowl holding Michigan state to 12. So if Martinez does not go to Miami we should turn the heat up until they resemble “The Junkyard Dawgs”! Then again can we afford another famous “Martinez meltdown” like Bama this year or Tennessee last year?… Any way GO DAWGS!

By BIG HARRY DAWG

January 21, 2009 1:42 PM | Link to this

I’ve been extremely critical of Little Willie…

While he may be a great DB coach I don’t like his approach to the defense as a DC. He’ll likely get his chance to redeeem himself instead of making all those half-a*******ed excuses.

By AltamahaDawg

January 21, 2009 1:45 PM | Link to this

Jones was right up there in all the SEC stats with anyone. More tackles than Eric Berry, and only 3 player in the conference had more ints. Upper class in every category in his first year as a starter as a sophomore. What a POS he is. I mean he lowered his shoulder and didnt wrap up on that tackle in the tech game. We need to revoke his scholarship.

By TUCK FECK

January 21, 2009 1:46 PM | Link to this

HAHA Tech getting BEAT DOWN 38-3 in their home town bowl by the SEC!

BACK TO NORMAL!

By AltamahaDawg

January 21, 2009 1:52 PM | Link to this

The yardage against the tech option this year surpassed the high mark set By BVG team againt D1-AA Georgia Southern. I remember what glowing remarks everyone had for the ol’ boy that afternoon. Good thing GSU didn’t have the beef to actually turn that into points, or he would have been internet fired right on the spot.

By gratefuldawghead

January 21, 2009 1:55 PM | Link to this

Altamaha Dawg…Being CVG only had ONE game were the other team (LSU) scored 30 or more..No I don’t remeber the grumbling. I do remeber CVG having the DAWGS in a prevent defense that allowed Tennessee to race back down the field and score, but thanks to the “Hob Nail Boot” we pulled it out. Anyway I will support whoever is at GEORGIA! Catch yall later!

By BR

January 21, 2009 2:03 PM | Link to this

Not as good as we think we’re going to be? I think most GA fans are pretty okay with finishing in teh top ten every year for the last seven years. Not many teams can say that. Now, if you’re not a GA fan, once again, why are you always on our blog? There sure are a lot of people that “hate” UGA but can’t seem to find their way to their own team’s blog!

By BR

January 21, 2009 2:06 PM | Link to this

“Go to working at Wal Mart”??? Big gator sure is smart! Hey, just so you know, sentences start with capital letters. Don’t worry, if UGA grads “go to working at Wal Mart”, who do you think we’re selling those jean shorts and tank tops to? All you cheesy gator fans! (Too bad we don’t sell mullets too.)

By DawgFan1

January 21, 2009 2:07 PM | Link to this

Unfortunately Willie Martinez doesn’t measure up when it comes to coaching the fundamentals and scheming for opponents offenses. The talented players he has make him look good sometimes but when faced with equal or near equal talent UGA’s defense falls woefully short. Martinez’ coached football players use very poor tackling techniques and are often caught out of position. Martinez is also often easily out schemed by much of the Bulldogs opposition. I doubt the Bulldogs will win a national championship with Martinez as defensive coordinator.

By Dawg1

January 21, 2009 2:09 PM | Link to this

The Tech-LSU game was the best game all year! To hear the nerds talk about how great they are, then the ONE game they sell out they get their a**es whipped by an average SEC team?? LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By Einstein

January 21, 2009 2:09 PM | Link to this

I’m formally endorsing CWM for DC at “The U”. And I wish him the best as he is a good man, but he’s not the man for the job at UGA. Most of the folks on this blog feel the same as me about his coaching abilities. His schemes are too predictable, he panics and goes into prevent way too early (and every football fan knows the prevent defence only prevents you from winning), he has a difficult time getting players in position, and he just can’t motivate our 5 star DBs to step up and make a play when we have to in order to change the game’s momentum. Willie is especially at his worse when it’s 3rd and long. In the S.E.C. you can’t get behind 14 points and expect to win, but CWM’s defences seem to put us in bigger holes than that. Regardless of all the positive traits and intentions, Willie’s just not getting the job done…those who are intrusted (paid) with much, much is expected. My suggestion for his replacement would be to get a proven Big 10 DC, who can also help us recruit those big, strong, smart offensive linemen, not the over-weight, underperforming, and always cronically hurt ones we seem to attract. Peace.

By gdawginkalamazoo

January 21, 2009 2:10 PM | Link to this

Altadawg, great posts today. Good points. Perception is the key word in the BVG v. WM debate. Team sport people. The offense didn’t exactly light it up against Bama and UF this season. Of KY and Vandy for that matter. Nor did they tear it up against UT and SC the past couple of years where our defense supposedly let us down. The tackling we can get better at as Richt has addressed and the stupid penalties could be decreased with some team guts and sprints. Same for the off field problems. Make the entire team run with the perp sitting in a chair watching. Peer pressure can be a pretty persuasive thing for a young person. I am not one of the fire Willie fan. As I have stated get him some help in there with a co-DC that will bring the fire.

By Maddog

January 21, 2009 2:38 PM | Link to this

big gator.

Rape at UGA by football players? Which football players were involved with that? You’re delusional. Maybe that Gator player raped his dead girlfriend before stealing her credit card.

By Facts

January 21, 2009 2:48 PM | Link to this

Chip,

Greg Reid said he would visit Tennessee Jan. 30th the last recruiting weekend. He will not be visiting Alabama.

By monty

January 21, 2009 2:53 PM | Link to this

I suppose CWM has bought himself at least one more year to prove that last year was a fluke or due to injuries or that it was an El Nino year or whatever.

I really do hope that it was due to injuries and not due to poor coaching. However I and alot of other fans have their doubts and our doubts are not the ravings of mad men. Many teams that were entirely one dimensional(we knew they weren’t going to beat us throwing) either beat us or came close to beating us in the last minutes of the games.

As far as injuries go everyone is applauding the efforts of coach Searles because the O-line was hit harder than the defense and yet we had a very prolific offense. Kudos to CSS.

At some point you have to ask yourself how does a team that constantly recruits in the top 10 year in and year out not have a better defense? I don’t know but were we say in the top 25 in scoring defense or pass defense or rushing defense? I don’t believe we were.

I hope we turn it around this year and play with intensity that seemed so lacking in almost every game on the defensive side. I think intensity though stems from dominating the other team and being confident, something GA’s defense did very little of last year. You can’t fake confidence once the whistle blows.

By Hill Dawg

January 21, 2009 3:01 PM | Link to this

AltamahaDawg, you are right on but those dummies can’t understand anything you tell them! How can so many people continue to comment so much about something they know nothing about. I truly expected some dumb a— to say UGA should hire Irk Russell! …”I watched CWM on the sidelines for three years”?!?? Boy,that should make that guy an expert!.Has he ever realized that the coaches and players send more time together in two or three weeks than he spends watching UGA football in three years?… How about,”He only uses a prevent defense”. Now that is a revealing statement. And the ignorance is spewed on and on! Try watching film for three years with a college football coach and you might learn just how stupid you sound. And please whisper all of those dumb a* comments in public. You don’t want anyone to know how little you know…. You don’t watch film. You have never been to a real college practice. You don’t know anything about the schemes or techniques or defensive formations or alignments or personnel, yet you really know how to recognize a coach that can or can’t do that. Please!!! Some other dumb a* might repeat what you spew.Can anyone guess why Richt would not pay attention to fan comments? Why should he? He’s not a dumb a**.

By Zach

January 21, 2009 3:06 PM | Link to this

Great opportunity to promote Rodney to DC. He deserves it, especially for sticking around Athens/CMR while facing more money at UT. The players love him and apparently would run through a brick wall for him. Hire a good DB’s coach who has a fiery go get em attitude and we will be in business.

Thanks for your service Willie but head on back to The U-I wish you well. I understand the point of be careful what you wish for, but it is time for a fresh start for both WM and the Dawgs.

Question-Can RG be both DC and Recruiting Coordinator? Is that too much on one’s plate?

By DawgBite

January 21, 2009 3:13 PM | Link to this

By Maddog

January 21, 2009 2:38 PM | Link to this

big gator.

Rape at UGA by football players? Which football players were involved with that? You’re delusional. Maybe that Gator player raped his dead girlfriend before stealing her credit card.

The rapist are over at Georgia Tech. Jarrard Tarrant to be exact. He fit right in with the pot smoking, drunk driving coaches, felony drug dealers, and heroin users that populate that cesspool.

By Ed

January 21, 2009 3:14 PM | Link to this

I’m one of those dumb fans who doesn’t understand the intricacies of defensive schemes and “blitz packages,” but I’ve always operated under the assumption that 1. forcing turnovers and punts = good. 2. giving up touchdowns = bad.

We don’t seem to be as good at No. 1 as we used to, and No. 2 seems to be happening more often, especially in big games. But what do I know.

By AltamahaDawg

January 21, 2009 3:20 PM | Link to this

We did have a prolific offence at times. Our offense also failed to score a single significant point in the FL game, despite multiple opportunities. Does that put a bit of pressure on the D? =Forget about the 4 TO. The Alabama game was completely winnable, even down 2-3 scores early but not with a goosegg, TO’s and 3 and outs the entire first half. Score ONE time and its a whole different game. The 3rd quarter against tech, prolific? Tthe point is that due to fantastic coaching (although many of these same folks were critical of Coach Bobo as well)and very talented skill players we were able to compensate for the injuries on the line. BUT this was not an offence that could ball control and pick up critical first down, or ever punch the ball in from the 5 without creativity. That was really a big deal not when you are trying to keep a tired banged up defense out of trouble. Not to even mention the points that the offense and punt team flat gave the other guys. Team sport. Team sport.

By rural

January 21, 2009 3:34 PM | Link to this

If Martines does leave UGA for Miami, then Coach Richt should either name Rodney Garner the defensive coordinator or go outside the staff & bring in someone like Herman Edwards, who might get fired by the Kansas City Chiefs or maybe someone who can implement a 3-4 defense to go along with their 4-3. They have alot of linebackers on the roster & it’s hard to find adequate playing time for them.

By AltamahaDawg

January 21, 2009 3:45 PM | Link to this

Ed, it’s not even that complicated, go ahead and go to the simpliest form of analysis. Winning=good. Losing=bad. 78% That would seem to wrap up the discussion.

By Denver dog

January 21, 2009 3:50 PM | Link to this

BIG GATOR:

I’ll have what you’re smoking! Enough said of your halicinatory statements. Why since you have such a great team do you spew such venom? Is it your insecurity as in individual, or collectivelly as the village that you call UF.

By POS Mutts

January 21, 2009 4:04 PM | Link to this

There’s not been a GT vs ugag blog since New Year’s Day where a punk a$$ mutt doesn’t bring up the LSU loss. Fine. We lost that game. Yeah, you punks want to talk FB games now that happened.

So lets talk about a worse a$$ whipping than that. Once that meant a WHOLE lot more to a program. That would be the 39 point loss to Florida by the score of 49-10!! A major rival team in your division beat you 49-10 on Nat’l TV!! Are you freakin’ kiddin me?

So you see pathetic jacka$$es, your sour grapes are hysterical and your preseason #1 disaster of a season was hilarious. Thanks for another year of laughs mutt nation.

By Wil Walton

January 21, 2009 4:10 PM | Link to this

POS mutts, so all those years of GT losign to UGA made you laugh (since this is another year of laughs, your words)?

By POS Mutts is a tool

January 21, 2009 4:16 PM | Link to this

POS Mutts

Your mastery of, and eloquence with, the English language is quite impressive. I suppose you are one of those supposed intellectually superior GT grads. You know, the kind that can design something but not spell it. ROFL!!!!

By Maddog

January 21, 2009 4:17 PM | Link to this

POS Mutts must be Gator Chomp’s brother. Trailer park trash. LMAO!

By POS Mutts

January 21, 2009 4:24 PM | Link to this

Will, no dumba$$. Another year of georgie failing to live up to expectations. Another year of georgie ending the season saying “Wait ‘til next year”. Another year of georgie crapping the bed against Florida. Another year of fatford/noshow failing to produce ANY kind of championship, that makes me laugh, retard.

A first year coach with a VERY young team and a new offense and new DC beats the preseason #1 jailbirds: PRICELESS!!!

No Nat’l Champs!! No SEC CHAMPS!! No STATE CHAMPS!! HA HA HA!!! Now that’s funny!! Thanks for a great 2008!!!

By reality check

January 21, 2009 4:44 PM | Link to this

All of this comparing CWM to CBV is silly. Willie has done a admirable job. The offenses of todays college football are more wide open and spread out than the ones CBV faced.

CWM had produced a fast defense to counter those offense and CMR addressed the fact of our poor tackling was due to injuries and the fear of more so they backed off in practice.

Alabama was a different style team and then again our offense put the defense in many holes that game.

I think losing CWM at this late in the game would be trouble. I believe he deserves loyalty since the roster was devastated with injuries this year.

I think the one valid point is the second half adjustments yet the year before CWM made some good ones at half so there must have been another reason.

Go Dawgs and quit calling for CWM’s head!

By POS Mutts is a tool

January 21, 2009 4:51 PM | Link to this

POS Mutts (aka Charlie Brown)

You’re right, UGA achieved no National Championships, or SEC Championships during the Stafford/Moreno years. We did, however, win the previous 7 State Championships.

During this same three year period, what did Ga Tech accomplish? Filling the blogs with false claims of intellectual superiority doesn’t count.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! You’re a loser, Charlie Brown.

By the real Old Gold

January 21, 2009 4:51 PM | Link to this

* I guess the ‘U’ only wants to lose to GA Tech instead of getting blown out.* Either way, Tech gets 400+ rushing Willie. THWG!

By shane#1

January 21, 2009 5:06 PM | Link to this

Alt, CSS did a great job with a very young line, especialy when you consider all the posistion changes that had to be made due to injurys, Boling moving to OT for instance. However, the coach could not make those guys much bigger and stronger in just a few months. That hurt UGA’s power game, which is the bread and butter of their offense. Southerland, Chandler, and Figgins being banged up and missing games also hurt the run game. When Stafford throws for the yardage and TDs he had against Tech, and UGA loses, the run game just isn’t getting it done. While O line did a pretty good job of pass blocking, they did not have the strength, size, and technique to blow people off the line. I believe that improvement in the O line next year will bring about improvement in the defense. You are right, it’s a team game. Do you remember when so many were calling for the WR coach’s head in 2006 and early 2007? Isn’t it strange how much his coaching improved when Sean Bailey came back from injury in 2007 and Mo-Mass hit his stride? AJ Green helped his coaching a lot too! CMR knows much more about putting a coaching staff together than I do, so I’ll leave that up to him.

By TW

January 21, 2009 5:43 PM | Link to this

It is an absolute joke to think that Miami’s young coach would ever try to sell Martinez to the alumni down there. It’s no surprise that those who back Martiniz also see this as a possiblity. He’ll be back - Richt won’t fire him and NObody else wants him.

The only football people I know who want Martinez to stay are gator fans.

Geez.

By ............................................BuLLdawg

January 21, 2009 5:44 PM | Link to this

Miami of Florida is a dead football program, and has been since the day they got out of the Easy Big East.

It is not a bad idea for UGA to assist him getting a job (for a few months and then have to go find employment like everyone else) at Miami of Florida - especially if we can get 1 of the real Top DC, which Willie Martinez has NEVER BEEN CONSIDERED AS anywhere anytime, who also can coach Special Teams, because Jon Fabris SUCKS as Special Teams’ Coach.

.

Please note that it has ALREADY BEGUN for 2009 on January 21

UGA had yet another ARRESTED plead GUILTY DUI and spent the damn weekend in JAIL last weekend for 17 hours.

DT Brandon Wood.

UGA DT Brandon Wood, Junior, went into Jail Thursday night after pleading GUILTY DUI, and stayed in Jail until Saturday - 17 hours DUI Guilty

Coach Richt, sir, this is B.S.

I am not putting up with this all Summer long again this off-season.

You can take that to the bank (or Jail) as this is now 104 Arrests (Suspensions) for Coach Richt and Rodney Garner’s Recruits at UGA in just 8 years, an average of over a dozen a year. And, I am not putting up with another 12 this off-season Coach Richt and Rodney Garner.

Did you get that ?

BRANDON WOOD also received 12 months probation, a $700 fine and 40 hours of community service, according to a court clerk.

Congratulations Brandon Wood, you sir are the 1st to go to jail in 2009 for UGA.

Only 11 more to go this year…

1 every 2 weeks off-season. Get ready for it. It has started already.

By Dawg Tired

January 21, 2009 6:07 PM | Link to this

I’m not calling for his head. He’s a nice man. I just want him to go to Miami.

This lack of aggression on defense did not start this year. I still remember vividly going into the “prevent” (and, yes, I know what a prevent defense is) against Auburn in Coach Martinez’ first season as DC with less than 2 minutes to go in the game with a 6 point lead. Result - one play for about 80 yards and a resulting TD and a one point loss in a game we should have won by remaining in our base defense. At the time, I thought: well the good news is we will no doubt learn from this mistake and forget that 3 man rush crap. Man was I wrong. Not only did we not learn, we have since become less aggressive overall on defense. In football at any level, but especially the college level, the only effective pass defense is to pressure the QB, especially true when you can not cover well. Does anybody out there think we cover well? Actually, few, if any, teams do. Apparently Coach Martinez thinks we cover well in spite of all the evidence to the contrary. That causes me to have some concern.

Finally, defense must be aggressive. Defense must play hard and with emotion. Sorry, just have not seen that on too many occasions under Coach Martinez. Time for a change.

By the way, I’m old enough to remember losing the Sugar Bowl to Penn State in a game where a win would have meant a NC. We lost at the end of the game when we blitzed and Kirby (not so ) Smart bit on the play action. Yes, Erk called for the blitz. And you know what - it was the right call. We lost but we made them earn it. We went down swinging. That beats what happens when you play that worthless prevent defense. No one was mad because we got burned by blitzing. It happens. But you win more often than not by being aggressive. It’s seems clear that Coach Martinez disagrees.

Having said all that, I still trust Coach Richt to make the right decision. He’s the head coach, I’m not. If I was on the staff and he asked me, I would tell him what I’ve said here. Having been both a head coach and an assistant coach, I would give him my thoughts if he asked. However, its his call to make. I’m personally hoping Coach Martinez decides to make it unnecessary for Coach Richt to make this call.

By just the truth

January 21, 2009 6:33 PM | Link to this

Here we go again. Trying to get a recruit that can’t spell cat. It’s common knowledge that grades are an issue but that doesn’t seem to mind as long as they can play. Send him to Hargrave then have him back the next year in a football degree. What a joke of a so called University

By who cares

January 21, 2009 6:38 PM | Link to this

Facts, you have the wrong facts as it relates to Reid. He was to visit UGA the last weekend on the 30th. So if he is visiting Tenn. now on the 30th, then UGA is out of it. I think they are out of it anyway. This kid has never said anything good as it relates to UGA, now he speaks highly on Auburn of all places, and Tenn. If he visits Tenn. with all the bull s** they have on that staff, he is gone. Richt will not only lose Brown the w.r. to Kiffen, but now he will probably lose Reid as well. Richt has no shot against all of the recruiters now on the Tenn. staff. Face the facts UGA is now 3rd in the SEC east, and if Richt loses both of these players to a head coach that has never won a game in the SEC it is a huge problem. Besides, Kiffen, and his father will both tell Reid that they know how to get him to the NFL, what will Richt tell him. Lets go to church and pray together?? Richt and UGA are done, time for UGA fans to face reality.

By UGA Crybabies

January 21, 2009 6:53 PM | Link to this

Hey BuLLdag,

When did you take over as head coach and AD, since you’re not putting up with this all Summer long again this off-season?

Since you obviously hate Richt, Martenez, et.al., and for some reason UGA has seen fit to put you in charge of the entire program, why don’t you just switch to Tech, Bama or better yet UFL.

The garbage on this blog is pathetic and you bandwagon fans are a disgrace. The good news is I’m sure Damon Evans, Mark Richt and others associated with the program don’t waste their time listening to you idiots.

By Powder Springs Dawg

January 21, 2009 7:00 PM | Link to this

DON’T LET THE DOOR HIT YOUR POP WARNER A* ON THE WAY OUT MARTINEZ!

By SmyrnaGaDawg

January 21, 2009 7:37 PM | Link to this

Chip,

Nice piece but Hollywood Hills H.S. is in Hollywood, Florida; University of Miami is in Coral Gables.

By JaxDawg

January 21, 2009 7:38 PM | Link to this

First off to compare Van Gorder w/ Martinez is not comparing apples to apples. 1. Van Gorder got to face Florida w/Zook and Tenn w/Randy Sanders, and a Schula led Bama. Also Vandy and Kentucky were still bottom feeders and SC was in the last days of Holtz/first days of Spurrier. Willie has had to Face Florida w/U.Meyer & T.Tebow. He also had to face Tenn w/ the return of Cutclife, Bama w/Saban at the helm, and vastly improved Vandy and Kent. 2. Like a couple of posters have mentioned this year saw key injuries along the D-line that were hard to overcome. This is the first D-line we’ve had in quite sometime maybe even since before the Donnan era where we did not have one single lineman that warranted a double team. We were down to 3rd and 4th stringers at DE at some points, not to mention the injuries at LB and DT(Ellerbe and J.Owens most notably). When you don’t get a pass rush then your secondary is going to look bad. Even the best of the best cover corners are only going to be able to keep a WR covered for so long before he gets open. ex. Look at Bama while they had an intact healthy jr/sr line. JPW looked all world not only against the Dawgs but other teams. Look at the 2 games they lost, Florida w/ a tremendous pass rush and Utah after losing their best lineman and having to shuffle players out of their natural position. These things are not excuses but simply facts that cannot be overlooked. Take away Spikes and Cunningham off Florida’s D and they would have been in the same boat as us. Look at what our offense did to their defense in 07. Why? they could not get a decent pass rush on Stafford. What really changed from 07 to 08. We had a banged up o-line and they had Cunningham and Spikes come into their own. Games are won and lost in the trenches. Now all that being said I still feel that CWM lacks something that all the coaches seem to lack during games and that’s fire. Don’t get me wrong every coach as their own style, but what is needed is some contrast. Their needs to be one of the assistants who really gets the players fired up on the sidelines. Our coaches greatest asset is at times the greatest liability, and that’s the calm demeanor of CMR, Bobo & CWM. It keeps the kids heads in the game, QB’s calm, and DBs loose, and it works great with a lead or against lesser competition. Which is great, and the reason for it is players will take on the persona of a coach. The problem is when a team hits them in the mouth, their needs to be someone rallying the war cry and getting them fired up to respond. We simply don’t have that on the sidelines. I’m sure this is something Richt will look at as he prepares the 09 team. I’m quite sure this is something he’s addressed or will address with CWM as well. Don’t belive me about the persona thing? Go back and look at any big game we lost with Donnan or Goff, notice how when things are their toughest in those games how those coaches dropped thier heads and looked defeated, then take a close look at the sidelines and watch how the players heads begin to drop along wit them. Thankfully we don’t have THAT problem with our coaches, but I think they need to find a balance and turn up the heat a bit when it’s nessecary but before it’s too late. I remember watching the MR Show after the Bama game and in the locker room you could see one of the white boards and all it had in big writing was GATA!! You could tell it was written passionately. Then look at the 2nd half. What I’d like to see from CWM and CMR is for them to really get on the guys before we get into deep doo-doo. Again keep in mind we had to go pretty deep down the depth chart in the trenches this past year, but I think it will be a blessing in disguise as we will have lineman on both sides of the ball back at their natural positions, and plenty of game tested depth behind them which will keep the rotations fresh and without a lot of the drop off we experienced this year. Sorry to be so long winded on this, but I ask everyone to try to look at the team’s performance this past year objectively and with FOOTBALL eyes rather than FAN eyes. If you don’t know the difference or that their is one, then you probably don’t know as much about football as you think you do. Mark it down, the 09 defense will be MUCH better than 08’s. You will see a dominating line anchored by J.Owens, G.Atkins, and R.Battle. The line will go nearly 3 deep at each position and you will see lots of rotation and fresh bodies. They will get pressure on the QB’s and in turn the secondary will have a field day picking off and batting down poorly thrown/ underthrown passes. We will have our best linemen on both sides of the ball back to their natural positions, great depth and our skill guys will be able to go off! We will also see a major reduction in penalities. We haven’t had a huge penalty problem in the past so what was different this year? 1.Injuries and too many players playing new or out of position and making mistakes. lots of offsides and false starts 2.Frustration from lack of pass rush, we got a lot of late hit calls/personal fouls 3.Fatigue lack of depth in many positions caused more fatigue which led to more mistakes and penalities. I think those factors contribuited more to the penalties than a lack of discapline. Anyway, don’t know about the rest of you, but I’m excitied about the 2009 Dawgs and think 08 was just a blip on the radar screen. GO DAWGS!!

By jimmyingainesville

January 21, 2009 7:58 PM | Link to this

If Coach Richt gives WM a raise to stay at Georgia … I’m going to throw up. I really don’t think we could do any worse. Look at the recruiting record this year (WM has only recruited three … that’s three … three star recruits… not any four or five star athletes. Look at the number of points surrendered. Sure there were lots of injuries but good coaches make adjustments for those. I think the think that hurt the most this year was that WM never made adjustments (how about nine men in the box on third down with GT). The third quarter of the GT game will remain with me forever. Anyway you look at it … I’ll be glad when WM is gone… lone gone.

By EX Georgia Fan

January 21, 2009 8:41 PM | Link to this

I agree with Powder Springs Dawg….”DON’T LET THE DOOR HIT YOUR POP WARNER A* ON THE WAY OUT MARTINEZ”!

You ruined one too many of my weekends last fall as well.

Does Miami even play Division One football anymore?

By Wil Walton

January 21, 2009 8:47 PM | Link to this

POS mutts, GT surely has bragging rights after beating UGA this year. Congrats.

By AltamahaDawg

January 21, 2009 8:47 PM | Link to this

jimbo, I have asked this question several times and never had a responce, so I am glad somebody can finally answer me. Since any good coach would have just make adjustments for a team so injured the defense literally “walked” through its preparation late in the year, it will be very easy for you to give us a few examples of who and when one adjusted well enough to win over 10 games.

The only examples I can come up with are the ones that couldn’t.

By turkey

January 21, 2009 8:48 PM | Link to this

It is not just Florida or Alabama this year. It is West Virginia, Auburn 2005 and making a poor 2008 Auburn team look good making Kentucky look good before the 2nd half disaster against Tech these are reasons CWM leaving would not be bad. There are good defensive coaches out there. NCDAWG mentioned a few Kirby Smart and Tyrone Nix. As far as Greg Reid goes, he is doing this to feed his ego. He will be a Gator.

By jrmdvm1

January 21, 2009 8:51 PM | Link to this

BuLLDawg,

Get the facts straight. Brandon Wood was arrested on Oct. 19. This was his sentencing for that arrest. If I am not mistaken, he has already been punished ( suspended ) by UGA during the past season. Now he has been given his punishment from “the law”. I think he knows his mistake, regrets it, and has paid his “debt” to society.

By Bernie

January 21, 2009 8:58 PM | Link to this

Much ado about nothing…Even IF Miami calls…I doubt Martinez listens long. At most this will be a brief conversation.

Bernie’sDawgBlawg

By 13 Dawg

January 21, 2009 9:08 PM | Link to this

So long Willie. Give the DC to Rodney Garner and The D line to David Pollack.

By Chip Towers

January 21, 2009 9:09 PM | Link to this

BuLLdawg: Glad to see you’re back and ranting again. The Brandon Wood deal is not new. It was his sentence for a DUI for which he was arrested last fall and punished by Georgia back then. I’d suggest a cup of warm sleepy-time tea and warm fire (in the fireplace)… .

JaxDawg: Hit return-return after completing each thought… .

By jeter

January 21, 2009 9:10 PM | Link to this

I agree with Powder Springs Dawg and the EX Georgia Fan ”DON’T LET THE DOOR HIT YOUR POP WARNER A* ON THE WAY OUT MARTINEZ”!

You have worn out your welcome in Athens. There are 100 candidates out there more qualified. Tommy Tuberville for starters. He’d straighten your mess out and do it for FREE!!!!!!!!!!!

HIT THE ROAD SAND TICK!

By AltamahaDawg

January 21, 2009 9:11 PM | Link to this

Was I the only one that saw the irony of somebody, whose identifies themself as EX Georgia Fan, say something about not letting the door hit thier a*?

By Moonpie

January 21, 2009 9:13 PM | Link to this

All I wanted for Christmas was for Willie to coach somewhere else. I was thinking Georgia Southern but Miami would be fine. Best wishes “coach”.

By I-DOG

January 21, 2009 9:30 PM | Link to this

I hope that Martinez gets the Miami job. I think it would be good for everyone. Martinez would do well in the move, Richt wouldn’t have to fire his college roomate, and the program could move on and hopefully improve on that side of the ball.

Perhaps things will be worse without Martinez, but honestly, how much worse can they get? It was the 2nd most points allowed in over 110 years of UGA football? How many 30+ point games will a new coordinator allow next year? I’ll take my chances with what is behind door #2.

If any of you were the CEO of a 100 person company and one of your key employees had the 2nd worst MEASURABLE performance in the 100+ year history of the firm… what would you do? You might consider some outside factors, but if that employee didn’t just have a bad week or a bad month, but four or five terrible months during the year(Alabama, LSU, Florida, Auburn, Kentucky, and Georgia Tech)… I believe that most CEO’s would replace that employee

Remember, before the season started… the prevailing wisdom was that the D would be stout barring the injury to one of the starting safeties where we were thin. Those two didn’t get hurt and it was the 2nd worst defense in UGA history based on points allowed.

I know that Owens got hurt and some LB’s had to be shuffled, but does anyone really believe this was the 2nd least talented defense in the history of Georgia Football? This fan doesn’t buy it.

By JFKDawg

January 21, 2009 9:47 PM | Link to this

Amen, I-Dog.

While doubting Martinez’s ability to make a good decision, I think even Stevie Wonder could see this would be a bad move on his part. Most don’t believe Shannon will be around after next season and Willie would have given up his cozy nest for one year in S FL.

I agree with the Fortune 500 analogy. When does a coach actually get reviewed on results?

GA reloads, it doesn’t rebuild. We are the University of Georgia not the University of Richt or Martinez. We will always get our fair share of players. Who did Willie recruit from S FL? Blair Walsh is the only player that comes to mind who is from that area.

By Jimmy

January 21, 2009 10:08 PM | Link to this

I think it’s already been said many times before, but i’ll repeat it for the slow ones out there.

I’m betting most of the CWM haters out there haven’t played or coached on any level. So the defense is that bad because of what you see on TV, or even w/ your own untrained eyes????

I’ll let you guys in on a little secret, the coaches and players never see the game the way we see it on TV. They see the coaches video, which are two distinctively different shots than what we see on TV. The coaches video basically involve a single tight shot from the endzone consisting of nothing but the O and D lines from tackle to tackle. The second shot is from the press box and involves all 22 players being shot from the beginning to the end of the play.

These two shots are edited together so the coaches see the two different shots of the same play. THIS is where they game plan off of. Each practice is shot the same way.

It’s from these shots that the coaches can see what each player is doing technique wise and how each player is carrying out his responsibility.

My short point to this long post is unless you’ve seen the coaches video of each game, just keep your mouth shut.

By I-DOG

January 21, 2009 10:12 PM | Link to this

Apopka Dawg:

Now that is RESEARCH! Very interesting to see his coaching resume the way you laid it out. I’m not into screaming derogatory things like “Willie is a terrible coach”. I don’t think he is.

Giving up 40 points is unnaceptable at UGA. Looking at his tenure as a college coach at different levels it appears the ONLY reasonably successful defenses he coached on were Brian Van Gorder’s at UGA.

Do any Martinez supports feel differently after looking at the actual numbers of his body of work provided by Apopka?

Thanks also to Fred G. Sanford for his statistical contribution. Regards to Aunt Esther and Lamont!

By I-DOG

January 21, 2009 10:21 PM | Link to this

Jimmy,

I did not play big time football. I was slow, not real strong, and not real talented. I love to watch football and love my Dawgs.

Martinez knows a lot more about football than I do. I admit that. However, how many 40 point game should UGA give up? The answer is 0. How many 30 point game should UGA give up? The answers is VERY VERY few.

I don’t care about the coaches video. I care about points allowed and W’s. If it isn’t Martinez, then what is wrong with the defense?

OK, we get Owens back next year. Will we break the record for most points EVER allowed in a season by a UGA squad? I’m afraid to find out

By Maddog

January 21, 2009 10:23 PM | Link to this

Jimmy, “unless you’ve seen the coaches video of each game, just keep you mouth shut”??? So THAT’s the defining criteria? Well, now that that has been settled, how many of UGAs coaches videos did YOU watch? After all, you gave YOUR opinion. GET OVER YOURSELF!!

By AltamahaDawg

January 21, 2009 10:33 PM | Link to this

I-dog, while I have not been a CEO of a 100 person company I have run 40 or so. And I have been on the bottom of those 100 person totem poles as well.

Here is what i think: CEO tend to look a lot closer than a few month when desiding to keep manger. If I had a manager that had a 7 yr history and for 3 year had his department at the top of the industry and in the past cycle only had a 77% closure rate, which historically is above the industry average, I’d be very reluctant to go all reactionary. I would be in serious meetings as to how we can identify the issues and correct them, not just go fire somebody, and just hope the unknown works, which is what I beleive CEO Richt is doing.

Also outside factors? The difference and the reason that the business analogy will never apply to college sports is this: In business, a manager can just go out and hire additional help. I have yet to see a production manager who has to deal with who he has, irrespective of if they are healthy enough to show up or not. Business manager can comtrol thier environment and make business decisions on the fly. This is a sport at a college. Not even close.

I also do not buy this was the second worst defense in the history of the program. I would think that the defenses that lost 5,6,7 games in the past would take those honors. Points allowed is a stat, not the objective of the game. The objective as I understand football is measured in wins.

BTW owens hurt and LB shuffled? A bit of an understatement isnt that? That like saying I sneak a sarcastic line in every few weeks.

By AltamahaDawg

January 21, 2009 10:42 PM | Link to this

Baldwin Donavan, Geno Atkins, Max Jean-Gilles came from S.Fl.

By Denver dog

January 21, 2009 10:58 PM | Link to this

The object of the game is to score more points than the other team. That is it!!!!!!!!! Nothing more or less.

I will take an undefeated team that has won every game by one point over the defense stats that rock the world.

It was Ray Goff who answered Loran Smith why he lost to Auburn and his answer was “they scored more points than we did.”

UGA defense held there own this year, but that is all they did. Against Alabama, the offense Alabama the ball in great position 3 times in the first half.

Against Fla, they essentially gave UF two touchdowns with a Stafford pick being run back to the 3, and the Moreno fumble.

Against Tech they gave up the pick for the TD, which was the difference in the game.

So, the defense did all they could, and that was not good enough. Interpret that as you may

Go dogs

By FLA DAWG

January 21, 2009 11:02 PM | Link to this

AltamahaDawg,

As you have pointed out before, we have differed in our opinions though with respect. It looks like we have another difference my friend.

If Martinez is offered the Miami DC Job and takes it I believe it supports the belief that he is doing a poor job and that he believes next season will show little improvement (I think he’d be running away from having to prove his worth next season at UGA where at UM he’d be given a grace period). If he declines an offer I would respect his decision as “gutsy” - as a DC should be, and judge his overall performance sometime next season.

Lastly, it is not being unfaithful to write about an issue that is clearly a problem and express one’s desire for a change. I have given Martinez credit for a couple of games when the D played well. But I have a hard time believing that you would evaluate his performance as a DC to be above average last season - and this gentleman is being paid to perform above average.

We have witnessed games where the D absolutely gave up on him requiring Richt to step in and give a Head Coach Pep Talk - not a great endorsement for an SEC DC.

As much as I want an SEC Title next season I don’t expect it - but I do expect 100% effort from the players and the coaches. If he stays on and the D plays like last season then he MUST GO.

By ParrisIsland Dawg

January 21, 2009 11:10 PM | Link to this

When evaluating CWM ask yourself the following questions: 1. Do we consistently play at a high level game to game, season to season? 2. Do we show up prepared? In big games? vs lesser opponents? 3. Do we make effective adjustments during the game? 4. Are we disciplined? Mentally tough? Looking at CWM objectively based on the above you would have to conclude we are falling short. Under CWM we are athletic, inconsistent, and undisciplined. Not a good combination if you want to compete for championships. Recruiting the 5 star athlete is highly overated. Better to recruit body types and intelligence, develop the physical and coach the mental. Get a DC who doesn’t want to be a head coach. Look at Bud Foster at Va Tech, Mickey Andrews at Fl St, Joe Kines, etc…

By AltamahaDawg

January 21, 2009 11:35 PM | Link to this

Actually I think we agree that the Miami job is not an upgrade and he wouldn’t take it.

As far as the head coach, coaching on the side line……..being an indictment of the DC..well…….that’s an interestiung take to be sure. Were no offensive linemen or any skill players listening to that pep talk, or was it only meant for defensive backs? I think I was out getting a fresh beverage during that camera shot. I’ll take your word for it casue I’m not sure I could have read all in there.

Actually I think he did a well above average job. I think there are plenty of DCs that could not have won 10 games with all those injuries. Not to mention the other 2 aspect of the game making it as difficult as possible quite often. I can think of several right now, on some plenty high profile teams that couldnt do it, with less issues. Again, somebody give me a name, an example of somebody who did.

They’re all being paid to be above average. Every SEC team, every DC, every OC. That’s the problem. That’s why every now and then the UGA Bank and Trust isnt going to buy a victory every game. Every now and then, somebody elses highly paid coaches put together a better team. This years heros are last years goats and vice-versa.

By I-DOG

January 21, 2009 11:38 PM | Link to this

Altamaha,

Take a look at the results of Martinez college coaching posted by Apopka dawg above.

Would you have even hired Martinez? What track record does he have that is so successful? Mediocre winning record before UGA. Tons of points scored on the defenses he was on the staff of AND D Coordinators for.

A 77% closure rate? What do you mean. How about a sales person that had four or five of the very worst months in the history of a 100 year company? Kentucky, Auburn, LSU, Georgia Tech. These weren’t even GREAT teams. Florida and AL, I can under stand giving up 30. That is like a sales person having a bad month in a tough territory. At that point I ask questions about what is going on, how can we fix it.

Not after this debacle.

I Disagree that the corporate analogy doesn’t hold water. A sales person in a tough territory can’t just change their environment (pricing from competitors, the way the product is thought of by potential buyers, advertising budget, etc…)

Martinez had a LOT of talent. He faced some tough offenses, granted. There were some injuries, granted. Searles offensive line suffered terrible injuries. Starting Left tackle, out for the season without playing a snap. Replacement, out for the season, his replacement, out for the season. Throw in another freshman or redshirt freshman to patch it together. and they did pretty well. If Searles has a bad year, I say pat him on the back and say “go get’em next year!

I don’t see next season being any better without a change in the person responsible for the defense. Last year’s D had tons of talent. This years team will too. There will probably be injuries. How many 40 point games will we suffer through?

I respect your well thought out posts in this forum and I hope you are right and I am wrong. Martinez is not likely to be going anywhere soon unless Miami offers. As a Dawg fan, I hope next year’s D under Martinez gives up just 10 points a game and I have to eat crow.

By Daytona Dawg

January 21, 2009 11:45 PM | Link to this

Apopka dawg,

Let me add to your stats. In 98-99 for example when Willie was the DB coach who was his DC? Huh? Who? That’s right Brian Van Gorder. In the 95 UCF season you mention that was the year that Van Gorder AND Martinez impressed Richt with there schemes that according to him they didn’t have the people to pull off but was the blueprint for how people tried to stop Richt’s offence for years after. It’s been posted above already but do you folks really think that Richt is being nice to his buddy? That’s the reason Willie is still around? Richt knows the knowledge and capability Willie has. You know who else holds Willie in high regard? Van Gorder. Van Gorder hired Willie and it wasn’t just because it was his buddy. Do you mention who Willie replaced at Grand Valley? No you don’t, it was Van Gorder who endorsed Willie for the job. I ask all of you if Willie can’t coach then explain to me is Van Gorder(Not Richt) either a poor judge of talent or was he just hiring his buddy? Why did Van Gorder hire Willie after working with him when he was doing such a p** poor job and he’s such an idiot? Why would Van Gorder let Richt hire Willie as the DB coach if he sucked so bad? His a* is going to be on the line and you don’t hire your buddies you hire people you know and trust and know what there abilities are. Answer that one Apopka.

It boils down to who is the better judge, Richt AND Van Gorder or all you people?

I would go with the former.

All you people that think you know what the hell you are talking about are acting like a bunch women, take some Midol and chill.

By ............................................BuLLdawg

January 22, 2009 4:30 AM | Link to this

Games against Final AP Poll Top 25 Teams :

Won over # 4 Tennessee 26-24 in 2001.

Loss to # 13 South Carolina 9-14 in 2001.

Loss to # 21 Boston College 16-20 in 2001.

Loss to # 3 Florida 10-24 in 2001.

Won over # 24 Georgia Tech 31-17 in 2001.

Won over # 11 Alabama 27-25 in 2002.

Won over # 14 Auburn 24-21 in 2002.

Won over # 21 Florida State 26-13 in 2002.

Loss to # 2 LSU 10-17 in 2003.

Loss to # 2 LSU 13-34 in 2003.

Won over # 15 Tennessee 41-14 in 2003.

Won over # 22 Clemson 30-0 in 2003.

Loss to # 24 Florida 13-16 in 2003.

Won over # 18 Purdue 34-27 in 2003.

Loss to # 2 Auburn 6-24 in 2004.

Won over # 16 LSU 45-16 in 2004.

Loss to # 13 Tennessee 14-19 in 2004.

Won over # 17 Wisconsin 24-21 in 2004.

Won over # 6 LSU 34-14 in 2005

Loss to # 14 Auburn 30-31 in 2005.

Loss to # 12 Florida 10-14 in 2005.

Loss to # 5 West Virginia 35-38 in 2005.

Won over # 9 Auburn 37-15 in 2006.

Loss to # 1 Florida 14-21 in 2006.

Loss to # 25 Tennessee 33-51 in 2006.

Won over # 19 Virginia Tech 31-24 in 2006.

Won over # 15 Auburn 45-20 in 2007.

Won over # 13 Florida 42-30 in 2007.

Loss to # 12 Tennessee 14-35 in 2007.

Won over # 19 Hawaii 41-10 in 2007.

Loss to # 1 Florida 10-49 in 2008.

Loss to # 6 Alabama 30-41 in 2008.

Loss to # 22 Georgia Tech 42-45 in 2008.

Won over # 24 Michigan State 24-12 in 2008.

17-17 against Top 25 Final AP Poll Teams in 8 years Coach Richt Era. And, so CHIPPER TOWERS, I cannot come in here and say that 104 Suspensions in 8 years of Coach Richt Era WITH THIS 17-17 Record against Final AP Poll Top 25 teams the year we played them, is TOO MUCH TO HANDLE that Jon Fabris and Willie Martinez remain in charge of Special Teams and Defense.

BS Chipper Towers BS. Stick to basketball son. I am not putting up with it. Brandon Wood SPENT LAST WEEKEND in Jail.

By ............................................BuLLdawg

January 22, 2009 4:46 AM | Link to this

I guess that that is Good Press that Brandon Wood Junior DT spent the weekend in Jail for The University of Georgia Bulldogs. That he plead Guilty on Thursday to DUI. That he went Directly to Jail until Saturday afternoon, this past weekend.

You know for a Football Program who in fact is 17-17 without a Winning Record in the Coach Richt Era against Final AP Poll Top 25 teams the year we pplayed them, there sure are a LOT of EXCUSES in this blog starting with CHIPPER TOWERS for Jon Fabris and Willie Martinez.

I thought you said we were great with Coach Richt’s decisions ?

Really ?

You consider 17-17 against Final AP Poll Teams in the entire 8 years of Coach Richt Era with 104 Suspensions.

Great ?

By ............................................BuLLdawg

January 22, 2009 5:25 AM | Link to this

Let’s see.

He pleads GUILTY on Thursday, a week ago today.

DUI.

Spends Thursday, Friday and Saturday until the afternoon in JAIL.

And, you actually think this is not Suspension Number 104 in the Coach Richt 8-Year Era ?

No repercussions at all for pleading guilty getting us all this good press for The University of Georgia.

That is NOT a Suspension.

I presume that is what you are saying.

That he can plead Guilty and still play September 5 in Stillwater against Oklahoma State, the next game after he spends the weekend in Jail.

Oh, boy.

With a Special Teams’ Coach who has done NOTHING for 8 years and a Defensive Coordinator who in 4 years has run the Defense once a Proud Tradition at UGA into the Ground.

I do so apologize. I certainly knew that I could not not rant, but actually point out the obvious facts, that ALL OF THIS IS TOTALLY EMBARRASSING to the Diploma cum laude I am sitting here looking at.

Thanks a lot Brandon Wood. Thanks a lot Jon Fabris. Thanks a lot Willie Martinez, you wimp.

Miami of Florida has gone 7-6 then 5-7 and 7-6 the last 3 Consecutive Football Seasons and it is big news to you that Willie Martinez is going to fix all that.

Yeah, right. And, we would be “LOSING A LOT” to lose Willie Martinez to that insignificant group of misfits down there in Coral Gables according to Guru CHIPPER TOWERS. B.S.

This is what passes as news to Chipper Towers that losing Willie Martinez would lose a lot for UGA’s football program. How so full of B.S. Be more careful what you say Chipper Towers, sir. Your rant here is clear indication you are out of your ever-loving mind.

I Love all this Good Press about yet another football recruit in Jail in the newspapers NOW TODAY for a Football Program with 104 Suspensions in 8 Years of 17-17 football against Final AP Poll Top 25 teams.

By ............................................BuLLdawg

January 22, 2009 5:27 AM | Link to this

The next Coach Richt recruit to be in Jail will be on or about February 5.

By MoDawg

January 22, 2009 8:05 AM | Link to this

…………….BuLLdawg…….

Point-Counterpoint all by himself. All of this before 6 a.m., too. Who gets this riled up so early in the morning. I hope your career involves hitting stuff with hammers and nail guns, because you have some serious pent-up energy.

Love your passion, but you lost me around point #32…(don’t start counting, I was being facetious)

Go Dawgs!

By AltamahaDawg

January 22, 2009 8:08 AM | Link to this

I-dog if youve been in sales as long as I have then you agree with me that a 77% closure rate is going to get a parking spot every year. Incidentally those high points games, the one you count as the worst in the 100 yr history………..We won several of those. As a CEO, my standards, my evaluation, while considering details (such as points allowed), would still be focused on what really mattered to the company. You really dont think that his company losing half its customers would matter to a CEO more than winning most of them. That he would care more about the “style” in which they won more than the bottom line?

I suspect if Apopka wanted to, he could come up with that kind of list for a lot of high profile coaches in the country including the legendary, never had a bad game, never lost to an inferior team, never, genious BVG.

And you are not even going to consider how many of the points this year were NOT the fault of the defense. I cannot remember a year when the offense and special team spotted the other guy so many points. Our defense gave up an average of 24 points this year. 20 last year. Easily there were factor beyond inexplicable reversal of knowledge by WM that could account for 4 ppg. Cant remember anyone worrying about points last year. BVG averaged 17. WM averaged 19 before this year and still 20 now. Points allowed is a fan concern. Winning percentage is the coaches job. But obviously they are trying to figure out how to get that number, which in real terms is one FG, back down.

Scoring was adressed BY Coach Richt. Asked and answered. I guess it comes down to believing him not not.

I agree about Sealres. Did a great job. But the offense, behind his line also stalled many times when we least needed. And we relied on play calling that befuddle many a poster, all the time. FL game , they Never score a single point that mattered. Not one. Time after time, right there. If it was true that searles didnt let injuries bother him, we would have had 21 points in the first half of that FL game, cause we damn sure were sitting right there with the game in hand and couldnt punch it in. Looked like a Line bothered by injuries and youth to me. Is it really a debate as to if we could have controlled the line of scrimmage better, we would have limited the other teams scoring opportinities.

By ApopkaDawg

January 22, 2009 8:33 AM | Link to this

DaytonaDawg, First of all who is talking about Van Groder? Huh? Who? NOBODY. That is just great that Willie replaced Van Gorder at Grand Valley State. So let’s see, he replaced him and took an 8-3 team to a 6-3-2 team?!?! Then after he left the team went back to 8-4. Your Grand Valley State argument…WORTHLESS! Let’s see what else, oh yeah, “In the 95 UCF season you mention that was the year that Van Gorder AND Martinez impressed Richt with there schemes that according to him they didn’t have the people to pull off but was the blueprint for how people tried to stop Richt’s offence for years after.” What? You mean the the year UCF went 4-7? If that is what CMR “supposedly” based his hiring on, then we have bigger problems than Willie Martinez. And your asking me if I really believe that CMR would keep Willie around out of loyalty? Absolutely! He comes from the Bobby Bowden school of coaching. Don’t get me wrong, coming from the Bowden ranks is a good thing, however, one fault Bobby has is his loyalty almost cost him his job. Anyone remember a certain Bowden son who was a horrible offensive coordinator and would’nt go away? Bobby certainly was’nt going to get rid of him. It took a serious push from boosters to get Bobby to finally let go of his son. I DO think that loyalty to a fault has carried over to the UGA program. I can respect the fact that you want to be loyal to your people, but if CMR wants to be the “CEO” of the UGA program, he has to be able to make the hard decisions. If someone is not performing you need to find someone who can.

Again Daytona, no one is talking about BVG. If you want to attach him to this, then yeah, his track record stinks as well. If our stats on D were this bad under BVG, then we would simply be replacing the “Willie” with “Brian.” However, lets get our facts straight. BVG coached at his alma mater, Wayne State University from 92-94. While he did coach at Grand Valley State from 89-92, he was not there from 92-94. Now, in 98-99 you can associate the UCF record to BVG, as well as Willie. However, BVG left in 2000 to become the D-Coord at Western Illinois. Do you know what he did there Daytona? Huh? Huh? Lets see, he went 9-2 and finished eighth nationally in passing efficiency defense and 12th in both passing defense and total defense while allowing just 17.6 points per game. What was Willie doing as D-Coord at Cent Mich? He went 2-9 and gave up a truck load of points.

So Daytona, if you want to claim that I am not providing all the info, make sure you check you own info and get back to me when you have a VALID argument. Stop asking for answers you don’t want to hear.

By EX GEORGIA FAN

January 22, 2009 8:37 AM | Link to this

AND I’LL BE AN EX GEORGIA FAN UNTIL MARTINEZ AND HIS P*** PHILOSOPY LEAVES. DON’T GET ME WRONG, I LIKE P*** JUST NOT WITH MY DEFENSE. LET REAL MEN (SEARELES OR GARDNER) COACH A MORE PHYSICAL DEFENSE NOT A BACK PEDDLING, TWO HAND TOUCH STYLE. LET MARTINEZ GO TO MIAMI OR CENTRAL FLORIDA OR FLODIDA ATLANTAIC OR FLORIDA INTERNATIONAL. HE’S NOT MAN ENOUGH TO COACH IN THE SEC AGAINST FLORIDA, ALABAMA, AND LSU AND TENNESSEE AND OLE MISS. I WILL NOT WATCH ANOTHER GAME AS LONG AS HE IS IN ATHENS. WAY TOO STRESSFUL.

By Daytona Dawg

January 22, 2009 11:59 AM | Link to this

apopka,

NOBODY is talking about BVG? Come on you can’t be serious. People are comparing BVG to Willie ad nauseum. He is th standard folks are holding Willie to. The point is 1. Van Gorder is a highly respected DC. Are you going to say NOBODY says that? HUH? 2. As such Van Gorder thinks highly of Willie as a position coach, AND as a coordinator. BVG has qualification to judge him as a peer and he’s had years of experience working with him. You have neither.

You tell me to get my facts straight show me ONE that I got wrong. I know when and where both of the men coached. I’m simply pointing out things you left out. As far as Richt basing his hiring on the 95 game he knew both guys before that game as was familiar with both but yes Richt has mentioned that year and the schemes they designed as making a huge impression on him. Other teams copied them for years.

apopka you said,

“However, lets get our facts straight. BVG coached at his alma mater, Wayne State University from 92-94. While he did coach at Grand Valley State from 89-92, he was not there from 92-94.”

AND? I never said was there in 92-94. What I said was BVG endorsed Willie for that job after he left.

“Now, in 98-99 you can associate the UCF record to BVG, as well as Willie. However, BVG left in 2000 to become the D-Coord at Western Illinois.”

WRONG, BVG wasn’t at UFC in 98-99 he was at Central Michigan. And who did he hire as his DB coach? Willie. Why? Because he knew he was a good coach.

First I pointed out omissions to your ‘facts’ you tell me to get mine straight and I point out where you’re wrong. Point out one error in mine. It’s fine that we don’t agree on Willie as a coach but you get YOUR facts straight jackass.

Thank you for pointing out that Bobby Bowdon wouldn’t get rid of Jeff and that Richt learned the ropes from Bowdon. Who knew? Nobody else in the world is aware of either of those things. Thank you for enlightening us.

Now please share when Richt and you discussed this issue at length and he admitted that he was in deed going to keep Willie out of loyalty. It’s your opinion.

Willie isn’t Erk, Buddy Ryan, Brother Bill, Monte Kiffin, or even Van Gorder. He is however a good, solid coach.

By ApopkaDawg

January 22, 2009 2:11 PM | Link to this

Daytona Dawg,

First of all, where did you read in my origial posting ANYTHING about comparing BVG to Willie? Well, you did’nt because it was’nt there. Your the one who brought BVG into this. As far as me sitting down and discussing any issues with CMR at lenth, you can apply that idiotic line to yourself. When did you sit down with BVG to get all of his insights on Willie? OH, you did’nt? Well then, how do you know how BVG feels about Willie? Oh right, you assumed that since Willie was on BVG’s staff they must have the utmost respect for one another. Well then, given Willie’s HORRIBLE track record, I can MORE than assume that as a D-Coord Willie is out of his depth.

Quite frankly, I really don’t care who respects who, or who was on whos staff. The FACT of the matter is Willie had never done anything impressive throughout his career to warrant him being the UGA D-Coord. Since he has been here his defensive units have been shakey and been prone to give up at least 2 blow up games a year. I can’t believe that you can sit there and try to convice people that he is a good D-Coord.

Hell, lets forget his pre-UGA record. How about since he has been the UGA D-Coord. Would that make you happy?

2005 - Sugar Bowl - Defense did’nt show against W Virgian. Ended up losing 38-35.

2006 - UT - let the vols hang 51pts on us! Can’t stop Vandy and they score 24pts on us and win the game! Let V-Tech run up 21pts on us before we knew what happened (I know we ended up winning the game).

2007 - By far his best year with UGA. UT does it to us AGAIN and they rack up 35pts on the defense! Could’nt hold Bama at the end of the game. Instead, they marched right over our defense and scored to send it into overtime. Gave up 34pts to Troy! TROY!

2008 - Bama rolls right over the defense in the first half putting the game out of reach. Had to score 52 to beat LSU b/c our defense was’nt stopping anybody. Against the Gators second half adjustments were non existant and we got blown out. Damn near lost the UK game. Damn near lost the AU game. Lost to Tech which absolutely falls on the shoulders of the Defense.

Now, as far as point out your “errors.” Yes I typoed with UCF and should have stated Cent Mich from 98-99. However, it does not change the fact that BVG left in 2000 and went 9-2 at Wesetern Ill behind a very good defense. Willie stayed at CENT MICH and went 2-9 with 8 of those games being huge defense letdowns. I was trying to make the point that your argument re: BVG is a sidenote at best. Willie has had his chances in the past as a D-Coord and had NOT been successful. I AM NOT trying to compare him to BVG. As far as I am concerned BVG is the past. Willie is the present and right now our defense isn’nt even tackling very well. Thats fundamentals and thats COACHING!!!

If you don’t want to see the points that defenses have allowed connected with Willie Martinez, then ignore the numbers and rant on about who likes who or who respects who. I’ll tell you what, tell me WHERE Willie has been successful prior to coming to UGA? Since I seem to have all my facts screwed up, you tell me.

And as far as the “jackass” comment, I expected more from you Daytona. Hell, your probably a Gator trying to pass yourself off as a UGA fan. Most of the Gators I know are spewing the same BS you are and want UGA to extend Willie a lifetime contract. Would that make you happy DaytonaGator? I guess you will have plenty of time to sit around with BVG and discuss what a wonderfull coach Willie is. Will you share your discussions with BVG with us? Or was that just your opinon? Well, we’ve all got’m and they all stick.

It doe’nt matter anyway. Willie is not leaving the UGA gravy train because if his defenses at Miami had the kind of let downs that UGA had become acustomed to, I am sure they would fire his a*.

By FLA DAWG

January 22, 2009 8:30 PM | Link to this

ApopkaDawg,

Your stats and arguments are compelling for the release of Martinez. Frankly, I’ve been guilty of “playing poker” - you know, “just one more hand”, thinking he’d turn the thing around. I mean, Richt must see something in him that I don’t - right!?

Bottomline though, if Martinez doesn’t have The Dawg D shut’n doors next season then he (and Richt for supporting him) will be under tremendous pressure to go.

By Atlanta Gator

January 22, 2009 10:11 PM | Link to this

Man, oh, man. When you UGA fans get into it over the merits of Willie Martinez as defensive coordinator, it lends a whole new dimension to the term “dogfight.”

Apopka Dawg——I’m just following the debate from the peanut gallery, but do you think you could come with another insult for your fellow Dawgs other than calling them “Gators?” Afterall, we Gator fans are pretty damn happy with our own defensive coordinator, Charlie Strong … .

By ApopkaDawg

January 23, 2009 7:59 AM | Link to this

FLA DAWG:

I was in your shoes until I went back and looked at his pre-UGA track record. I was one of the ones thinking Willie will turn it around. He just needs some time. However, when I saw his track record it became apparent that this is Willie’s pattern. He has never experienced anything other than mediocre to horribly bad defenses. His UGA experience is by far the golden jewel of his resume. How in the world this guy ended up as our D-Coord is worrisome at best. If, according to DaytonaDawg, it was based on a 1995 game that impressed CMR, that is even more bothersome. That team went 4-7. The fact of the matter is that as soone as BVG left we should have shopped around.

Atlanta Gator:

I know Gator fans would love Willie to be around for a long, long time. The longer he is around the more likely you guys will hang 50 on us year in and year out. Hell, when we beat you 2 years ago the Gators still put 30pts on the board. Thank god Bobo, Stafford, and Knowshown had more in the tank and outscored you. You guys should be happy with Charlie. He knows how to make adjustments and coach a diciplined team. Your guys are’nt missing tackles or trying to titty bump someone out of bounds only to have them turn it up field and score a long touchdowm.

I just want to see a return to the Junkyard Dawg Defense. That is going to take a fired up, fundamental, attacking, adjusting D=Coord. Right now we just don’t have a D-Coord who is getting it done. This all really does’nt matter though. Willie is’nt going anywhere. CMR is’nt going to get ride of him and Dawg fans are stuck with what we’ve got. At this point, all we can really do is say our prayers at night and hope that Willie can turn the Defense around.

By FLA DAWG

January 23, 2009 10:18 AM | Link to this

ApopkaDawg, You hit the nail on the head. It was after reading the stats you posted that I rethought my position on Martinez - though clearly I have not been a fan of his for some time.

Since Martinez himself has not made a statement regarding the Miami position then we can assume there is negotiation underway. How will it go down if Richt convinces him to stay - or worse, gives him a RAISE to stay!?

Atlanta Gator - Give us all a break. The venom spat by UF fans when Spurrier left was far more insulting than any “dogfight” on this website and you know it.

Dawg Nation harbors no jealousy about Florida - we don’t like anything about the gators. I respect a team that plays as well as they do and that is as far as it goes. It’s the lack of class (whinning about endzone celebration, running up scores, etc.) - not jealousy that makes being called a “Gator” an insult.

It’s kinda like being called, “French”.

By Atlanta Gator

January 23, 2009 6:34 PM | Link to this

FLA DAWG——Very few Gators I know were upset at Spurrier because he left. Sad, perhaps, because the face of Florida football left, but not angry with him. Change is the natural order of things. Smart Gators had expected the Evil Genius to make a go of it in the NFL for a decade before he actually left in January 2002. It’s not like he jilted us to coach UGA, Alabama, Auburn or another one of our SEC rivals. SOS left to coach the Redskins.

There was a real split among Gator fans as to whether he should have filled the opening left by Zook’s departure 3 years later, however. Frankly, as much as I am grateful for what Spurrier did for Florida in the 1990s, I think it was in the school’s and the coach’s best interests that Florida hire another coach, and turn another corner in the evolution of the program. Florida has now had two great coaches in its program history. Now, Gator football is not so much about one great coach as it’s about being a great program. When he’s eventually ready for a life change, Meyer will likely leave for the NFL or Notre Dame or wherever, and he will leave behind a successful program that will be positioned to hire another great coach.

It’s tough to catch lightning in a bottle twice in a lifetime, and Spurrier would have had an impossible time living up to fan expectations if he had returned. And ridiculous fan expectations that the Gators would win the SEC and compete for a national title every year were among the reasons that Spurrier left for the NFL in the first place. You don’t have to like the guy to understand his need for new challenges.

As for “jealousy,” insults, etc., it’s all kinda silly, if you ask me. I was making a joke. If Apopka Dawg wants to call you a “Gator,” I am sure I could gin up an honorary alumni certificate for that. Lighten up——it’s just a game. Nobody gets killed, and no one is going to prison.

By Atlanta Gator

January 23, 2009 6:37 PM | Link to this

ApopkaDawg——Nothing wrong with wanting your team to be better than it is, including its defensive squad. As for Charlie Strong, when he eventually gets the head coaching job he deserves, he will leave Gainesville with the gratitude of the Gator Nation.

By FLA DAWG

January 23, 2009 7:55 PM | Link to this

Atlanta Gator,

You would have all readers of this site believe Gators are as pensive and cultured as yourself. Read some of your fellow fans’ blogs. You will clearly see otherwise - you knew this when you wrote your blog.

When you write that the gators you know were not upset at Spurrier when he left then either you know few gators or you’ve just lost all credibility.

By Atlanta Gator

January 23, 2009 9:34 PM | Link to this

FLA DAWG——If you judge the collective opinion of 350,000 Florida alumni by what you read from a handful of idiots posting with “Gator” in their blog handle on the AJC sports blogs, the mistake is yours, not mine. If you are familiar with public opinion polling and statistical methodology, I suggest you re-familiarize yourself with the concepts of representative sample and selectivity bias. I might also add that most people naturally remember the most outrageous statements posted by the biggest idiots.

As an example, I would say most people remember the snippy Dawg fans’ comments about the Gators’ most recent BCS championship. Just for fun, several days ago, I counted the number of gracious congratulatory statements from UGA fans vs. the snippy comments in the 5 or 6 post-BCS blogs. The gracious Dawg comments outnumbered the snippy Dawg comments about 3 to 1. Of course, few Gators casually browsing the post-game blogs will remember these exhibits of good sportsmanship, just that a handful of blowhards couldn’t say anything nice the morning after their team’s biggest rival won a national championship. Now, reverse the words Gators and Dawgs and you’ll get the idea.

Not sure how you were raised, or how you are raising your own children to behave, but I would have smacked the eyeballs out my kids if any of them ever said anything similar to many of the comments made on these AJC blogs.

If you want other people to behave well, lead by example. If you want to be treated with kindness and courtesy, it never hurts to be kind and courteous.

By Atlanta Gator

January 23, 2009 9:46 PM | Link to this

P.S. As for the number of Florida alumni I know or have known personally, it easily runs into the high hundreds, if not low thousands. As an undergraduate, I was an an active fraternity brother, intramural sports participant, and student government member. I spent 7 years in three different degree programs in Gainesville, and I remain active in national and local alumni affairs and fundraising.

So, yes, you could say I know a statistically significant sample of actual University of Florida degree-holding alumni … undergraduate, graduate and professional. Moreover, I have an awful lot of friends, neighbors, acquaintances and business associates who are Auburn and Georgia alumni here in Atlanta. Damn few (if any) of of them would ever say anything insulting to someone else about their alma mater or its athletic programs.

Personally, I think my “credibility” in these matters is exceptional. But that may be the best example of “selectivity bias” yet.

By FLA DAWG

January 24, 2009 9:32 AM | Link to this

Atlanta Gator,

I’ve never written anything on a Gator Site. I have never visited one on any Gainesville Gazette for that matter. I expect GT Fans to blog here because GT is in Atlanta - the HQ of this newspaper. (AJC - Sports - UGA). The sheer volume of spew from UF Fans on this site is amazing - well before and after The UGA / UF Game.

But this discussion began with YOUR blog about Dawg Fans fighting about Martinez. I pointed out Gators were much worse when Spurrier left. You actually disagreed with that!? Want to address that credibility issue again my friend?

By Atlanta Gator

January 24, 2009 10:33 AM | Link to this

FLA DAWG——I have no interest in having a rhetorical typing match with you. You clearly dislike all things “Gator.” Your selective use of purported “facts” without quotation, citation or numerical quantification speaks only to your bias, not to the truth of your various assertions. Where is your back-up for this purported hatred/resentment/anger that Florida alumni and Gator fans harbor for Steve Spurrier? Raising your blog voice, and expressing your opinion more loudly than before does not count as “back-up.” That you believe it does not make it so. Asserting that I know no Florida or other SEC alumni is a transparent ad hominem attack. Please produce something, anything, that supports your position. Otherwise, please give it a rest … you’re beginning to tax my good nature.

By FLA DAWG

January 24, 2009 1:26 PM | Link to this

Clearly this has struck a sensitive area with you Gator.

You would have all believe that while Dawg Fans argue over Martinez, there was little to no consternation over the departure of Spurrier.

We’ll let the readers decide this one.

By dawgtime

January 24, 2009 6:31 PM | Link to this

If we only has ERK RUSSELL back !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We never had to worry about our defense showing up for seventeen years at UGA with Erk there ! Imagine what he could have done with the talent that is at UGA right now !! He did a lot with a little something these coaches today know nothing about!

By Will Martinez

January 24, 2009 9:02 PM | Link to this

Hi guys I am still here and will not go anywhere till Mark tell me to leave. And all of you jerks, call me Willy, or Will, or C Martinez, but don’t call me Soft Willow OK! /Thanks/ Weak Willy.

By Dawg77

January 24, 2009 9:16 PM | Link to this

Coach Russel would tell his son “Hey noneck get your rubber band folks ready all of you gotta run to the rock like hungry wolves and get the damn ball for us.” That’s how! They don’t call a Junk Yard Dawgs or No-Name Defense for nottin.

By doug

January 26, 2009 2:11 AM | Link to this

Dont worry, WM is going nowhere. He knows he is terrible and Richt embraces under achievment. Therefore his job is secure at UGA and he will stay. For those that have not figured out if its lack of talent or coaching. Let me lift the veil. The talent is good. Very good. Not USC good but very close. They are brought along too slowly and are not held accountable. They are often out of position or playing gap when they should be man up. We play off the WRs when we should be jamming them. We have no real stunt or blitz. Its something you see at a middle school game. We have bad pursuit angles because we dont get off blocks quick enough. This is the way it is. Richt has drawn a dangerous line in the sand between him and the Bulldog Nation. I am glad that Damon Evens has let it be known that eventually something will have to change.