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By kauai dawg

December 4, 2008 1:01 AM | Link to this

Way to go coach Richt. This feeding freenzy to get rid of coaches must come to an end. Not everyone can win 12 games each year. What has happened at Tenn and Auburn is down right wrong and loyalty is out the window. Then you hear all the moaning over our coaching staff and you let the teams be run by the blogs and trouble will always be arising. I say Keep up the great work Coach Richt and stay far, far away from the blogs!!!!!

By kauai dawg

December 4, 2008 1:07 AM | Link to this

In a lot of ways some of the perception listed for ole Tubby at Auburn works for us at GA. The skinny is he produced much better teams when they were expected to but didn’t much live up to high expectations on years they looked loaded. Sounds a little familiar. I guess it helps if you don’t have a bullseye on your back? LSU this year, Florida last year after NC???? Maybe that was Ga.s biggest downfall this year. The ceiling was too high??? Go DAWGS now that the expectations are a little lower??? Not really however with these fans. I don’t think we had a great year, but we didn’t have a bad year we just had too many injuries, penalties and losses and not enough leadership and breaks!

By BugKiller

December 4, 2008 2:11 AM | Link to this

As I sit here in the SLC, Chip (or MLC, as I guess Adams would want us to call it), I can’t help but wonder you totally ignoring one of the main reasons, if not THE reason that brought about Tubby’s downfall at Auburn.

Namely, his illogical and stubborn loyalty to his favored group of coaching assistants.

You would think that Mark Richt would be wise to learn from Tubby’s mistake, because now it has to be more than obvious that only guys like Bobby Bowden, with two MNC’s and a stellar past can get away with refusing to fire a terrible, underwhelming, underperforming, and over-his-head coach on his staff because of their personal relationship, even though that particular coach (his son) basically destroyed his program over the last 6 or 7 years.

You’d think Mark Richt would learn something from all of these other guy’s mistakes… because that’s what smart people do.

I’m also very disappointed that you continue to refuse to make the corollary between Jeff Bowden and Willie Martinez, and the striking similarities between the two coaches, including the rule of diminishing returns that they led, or are leading, their respective units to.

Under Bowden, the FSU offense got worse every single year, ESPECIALLY after the guys who played under Richt graduated or left.

Under Martinez, the UGA defense has gotten worse every single year, ESPECIALLY since all the guys who played under Van Gorder have graduated or left.

But in the face of the harsh TRUTH, Bowden refused to do what was in the best interest of his program, and put his personal relationship first.

Now, in the face of the harsh TRUTH, Richt is also refusing to do what is in the best interest of his program, and is putting his personal relationship first.

The difference?

Mark Richt isn’t Bobby Bowden. He doesn’t possess the double-digit conference titles. He doesn’t posses the two MNC’s.

His two conference titles and two Sugar Bowl wins will not save him if he continues down this path of folly in letting Martinez bring his program down in the way Bowden let his son do the same at FSU.

Chip, you’re supposed to be our eyes and ears, as well as our VOICE.

You know, in other cities, such as, I don’t know, anywhere but Atlanta, even beat guys will begin to push the issue and force the parties they cover to answer the tough questions, like, I don’t know, how about:

“Coach, with Martinez running your defense the last four years, his units have progressively given up more points per game each consecutive year than the year previous, and this year they were by far the most undisciplined defense in college football (most penalized), so how can you sit here and continue to defend Martinez’s job performance?”

“Coach, please explain to me and my readers how you can continue to employ a defensive coordinator who has overseen defenses which have given up the most 30 point games in the HISTORY of the Georgia football program, a history well over a century old?”

“Coach, please explain to me and my readers how you can continue to defend your defensive coordinator, who has now presided over the most lopsided loss in Sanford Stadium, the worst loss in the Cocktail Party, and has given up 40 points (40 POINTS!!!) multiple times in ONE SEASON.”

“Coach, me and my readers understand that firing a coach is never an easy thing to do, but are you letting your personal relationship with Willie Martinez affecting your professional relationship? I only ask, because the similarities to what has happened with the Georgia defense since he has taken over and between the job that Jeff Bowden did as FSU’s offensive coordinator, and both your’s and Coach Bowden’s handling of these situations, are eerie.”

Or how about this one:

“Coach, if what you’re telling me is true, that Georgia is running the same defensive schemes as when Coach Van Gorder was the coordinator, and the talent coming in is similar to when he was here, then doesn’t it THEN logically mean that the reason why the Georgia defenses have been so unprepared in most big games, mediocre at the fundamentals, and unimaginative with the play calling is because of the COORDINATOR RUNNING THAT SCHEME???”

See, Chip, I hate to tell you how to conduct an interview, but that last one is called a FOLLOW-UP QUESTION, and would have been the perfect foil for all of Richt’s illogical explanations and defense of Willie Martinez, particularly his answer about the schemes Georgia runs on defense.

See, it’s not that hard, Chip. It really isn’t. Just pretend you work for a big-boy paper in a big-boy city where yes, even the beat writers are not afraid to ask the tough questions and get down to the nitty gritty to cut through all of the illogical b.s. and force people to answer the tough questions.

Or, you know, at least hold their subjects ACCOUNTABLE for their b.s. as they’re dishing it out, which you should have done in Richt’s weak-@$$ and illogical defense of Willie Martinez.

It’s time you do a little advocating for us, Chip, and stop worrying about whether the coaches like you or not. Exposing the truth can make enemies, especially those like Coach Richt who delude themselves and shield themselves from the truth of a situation, like with Willie Martinez.

Too bad if you hurt his feelings and shatter his illogical world view. It’s something someone should have done to Bobby Cox years ago, and it’s something that needs to be done to Coach Richt now.

By Vin Stooley

December 4, 2008 2:46 AM | Link to this

Richt had better meet expectations next year or he is toast too.

By BurbankDawg

December 4, 2008 3:16 AM | Link to this

Quit cussin’!

By D-Man

December 4, 2008 3:47 AM | Link to this

Wow, BUGKILLER…amazing stuff there. I think the world of Richt personally, but even I can’t deny the quality of your questions for Richt. Thank you for voicing on this blog what so many of us in the Bulldawg nation have been wondering. Perhaps Fulmer at Tenn and the Auburn situation are good examples of what happens to the HC when he refuses to see the light about his coaches. Nice job man!!

By Columbus Dawg

December 4, 2008 5:47 AM | Link to this

DITTO, BUGKILLER!!!

By ............................................BuLLdawg

December 4, 2008 6:06 AM | Link to this

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TOMMY TUBERVILLE, who had a LOSING RECORD AGAINST UGA (4-6) is FORCED OUT at Auburn by BOBBY LOWDER, who said he will pay the $6 million dollar buyout clause, opening speculation again that Tubs will go to CLEMSON - and, put Yabba Dabba Do back at wide receivers coach (Curious Choice anyway.) Ultimately, Tubs ouster is based upon his WEAK SCHEDULES EVERY YEAR.

Tubs had played very weak opponents year after year for a decade, and LOST A TON OF THOSE GAMES AGAINST UNRANKED TEAMS.

This season, Tubs managed to not beat any ranked team today. Tubs’ Losses this year included to No. 52 Vandie, No. 64 Arkansas (5-7), No. 37 West Virginia, No. 39 LSU, and Lost to Ole Miss - NOT A 1 OF WHICH IS RANKED IN THE BCS TOP 25 today.

This was typical for the stint at Auburn for Tuberville. Every single year, Tubs played WEAK SCHEDULE STRENGTHS AND LOST GAMES TO UNRANKED TEAMS.

This season, in addition Tubs LOST to both ranked teams he played in addition to LOSING TO ALL THESE FIVE (5) UNRANKED TEAMS.

Tubs LOST to the ONLY RANKED TEAMS ON HIS SCHEDULE IN BOTH OF THE LAST TWO (2) GAMES, against Georgia and then Bama.

Tuberville NEVER RECRUITED WELL AT AUBURN. It was an amazing run of RUNNING OFF EVERY OFFENSIVE COORDINATOR AND EVERY DEFENSIVE COORDINATOR HE EVER HIRED and NEVER RECRUITING, for example, a SINGLE QUARTERBACK.

By ............................................BuLLdawg

December 4, 2008 6:09 AM | Link to this

Not 1 QB in the entire Tommy Tuberville Decade at Auburn.

Tuberville just could not recruit Quarterbacks.

85-40 puts Tommy Tuberville Number 20 in the nation in Wins during this tenure, and NOTE PLEASE this is AGAINST WEAK SCHEDULES.

And, no quarterbacks.

UGA in the same period from 1999 to 2008 to-date, is not 85-40 in 20th place, but 97-30 in 5th place in the nation in wins starting 1999.

The reason for this is that UGA recruited quarterbacks EVERY YEAR and next year again, no different with yet two (2) MORE Top 10 Quarterbacks in the nation to give UGA now 6 Top 10 Quarterbacks recruited for this team next season.

It’s amazing.

8-10 is Tuberville’s All-Time Record against BCS Out-of-Conference Opponents. That’s 10 seasons and Tubs Won only 8 games against non-conference BCS Opponents.

That doesn’t hack it. Sorry. 8 wins in 10 seasons against BCS non-conference opponents. That’s 2 short of 1 a year. How in the Hell can you have only 8 wins against BCS non-conference opponents in ten (10) years ?

In Ten (10) years, Tubs Won ONLY FIVE (5) Bowl Games.

He was always relegated to a meaningless bowl game.

Tubs did not have a winning record against Coach Richt.

The nation looked down upon Auburn during the Tuberville Era for his **LACK of Quarterback recruits and for his very poor Strength of Schedule, and thought little of the mail-order online classes his athletes took. But, ultimately it was his schedules where he LOST EVERY YEAR inexplicable losses to lousy teams that did him in. He LOST to 5 teams this season who were UNRANKED OPPONENTS in the BCS Top 25 Poll today. That is not good.

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By eDAWG

December 4, 2008 6:39 AM | Link to this

Thank you BugKiller…

“Coach, if what you’re telling me is true, that Georgia is running the same defensive schemes as when Coach Van Gorder was the coordinator, and the talent coming in is similar to when he was here, then doesn’t it THEN logically mean that the reason why the Georgia defenses have been so unprepared in most big games, mediocre at the fundamentals, and unimaginative with the play calling is because of the COORDINATOR RUNNING THAT SCHEME???”

This is where the football meets the turf my friend and I’m afraid things will only get worse as we’re at least two years too far into this debacle already…

Oh, I’m doing it again…so negative and unappreciative…I must find my rose colored glasses at once…

By AltamahaDawg

December 4, 2008 7:10 AM | Link to this

What assistant did TT protect too long and how did that cause his downfall? Specifically?

By Kennesaw Dawg

December 4, 2008 7:17 AM | Link to this

Well said BugKiller. Damon Evans ought to call CMR into his office before the Christmas holidays and ask him these very same questions and tell him that his future at UGA depends on his answers!!

By AltamahaDawg

December 4, 2008 7:21 AM | Link to this

Chip, you do a fine job, but I have my own voice, thank you.

By One of the few sane ones left

December 4, 2008 7:42 AM | Link to this

Thank you, Altamaha. Seems to me that Tubs changed coordinators as often as he changed underwear. In fact, he would be the picture of disloyalty as far as assistants go (with maybe the exception of Nall, who is supposedly a well-thought of OL coach).

For that matter, Bowden only won 2 NC’s after he’d been on the job almost 20 years and won 10 of his 11 ACC titles when the league was simply awful. Does anyone remember the Bobby can’t win the big one talk of the late 80’s/early 90’s???? Richt should be among the safest coaches in terms of job security on the planet.

By Max Sizemore

December 4, 2008 7:46 AM | Link to this

Excellent letter, Bugkiller. You make a lot of good points, and I agree that Martinez has got to go. It took Richt a couple of years before he made the right decision to replace his offensive coordinator (himself), and it will take another year or two before he does the same with Willie. BUT, I have one major disagreement: Chip’s job is not that of advocate, it is journalist. His job is to cover the team (or school) without any agenda. I know that’s hard to remember is this day of Faux news, but that’s what big-boy journalism is. And he does a damn good job of it.

By BugKiller

December 4, 2008 7:53 AM | Link to this

Any combination of Hugh Nall, Eddie Gran, Greg Knox, Don Dunn, and Terry Price.

These men never had to worry about such silly notions like job performance, exactly like Willie Martinez, because they were all best buds with Tubby going back years and year.

They also knew that they could pretty much do what they wanted to do, whether it was in Tubby’s best interests or not, for the very same reason.

As coordinators became a seasonal change in Auburn, these men all stayed. Why is that?

Tubby’s loyalty to these men was the primary factor which cost him his job.

Richt’s illogical loyalty to Martinez may end up causing him his, though I don’t wish that to happen…

… but as I said, he doesn’t have double-digit conference championships and 2 MNCs like Bobby Bowden did while he stubbornly refused to fire his son as his football program disintegrated around him.

Richt is sitting idly by, allowing this subpar coach to keep his job because of their personal relationship alone… because, again, there is no LOGICAL REASON why Martinez still gets a paycheck from the UGA Athletic Association.

Richt is putting the welfare of his friend above the welfare of his program, and he will lose his job because of it unless Evans or Adams steps in and removes Martinez.

By Tenis

December 4, 2008 8:04 AM | Link to this

and here’s to another 8 seasons. congrats coach you are the mitties.

By 82DAWG

December 4, 2008 8:11 AM | Link to this

Love Richt but soft Willie Martinez has to go!!

By Huh?

December 4, 2008 8:13 AM | Link to this

Tubberville is loyal to his assistants? On what planet? On planet earth he went through them like paper towels. In my opinion THAT is what led to his downfall. He was always looking for the flavor of the week and there was no stability with that program. You are simply wrong dude and have some bad information.

By Life Will Go On!

December 4, 2008 8:19 AM | Link to this

If you don’t like the product, then don’t spend your money on it! But please stop your whining!

By Still sore from the Bama beatdown

December 4, 2008 8:27 AM | Link to this

Okay, now that Fulmer, Croom and Tuberville are history it’s time to set our sights on that other underachiever, Richt. (Maybe first has-been Spurrier can go.) CMR, beware!

By BugKiller

December 4, 2008 8:37 AM | Link to this

Again… you people really don’t have a clue what’s been going on over at Auburn for the last 10 years, do you?

Tubby and his Good Ole Boys Club of Coaching ASSISTANTS have held sway on the Plains for 10 years, running off COORDINATORS they would blame for the team’s short-comings.

Now, under the unprecedented success that Richt has had at Georgia, we know his assistant coaches are good, because they were all good under Van Gorder (though the weak link has always been the secondary which is coached to this day by, oh wow, what a coincidence, Willie Martinez!)…

… but after all the success there has been a decline in defensive performance the last four years that coincides with Martinez becoming the DC.

This is not a coincidence, as Richt tries to make us believe because Martinez is one of his best friends.

We know guys like Garner and Fabris are good defensive coaches (though Fabris has never been a good ST coordinator), because they were good under Van Gorder.

Martinez was the weak spot on Van Gorder’s defense, and now he’s the allowed the defense to become the weak spot on this team.

Think about that for a second.

Defense is Georgia’s worst unit.

This is what Willie Martinez has wrought in Athens, much like how Jeff Bowden brought down the whole FSU program, Martinez is doing it to us.

Both men were / are totally over their heads and never deserved to be in the positions they were in, and because of their personal relationships with their head coaches, they were allowed to / are actively ruining the football program.

Guys like Huh?, you really should know what’s going on before you make yourself look foolish.

By HH

December 4, 2008 8:41 AM | Link to this

Maybe if next year doesn’t pan out and we asked Lowder real nice, we might get him to buy out Richt’s contract too.

Hope springs eternal.

By AltamahaDawg

December 4, 2008 8:51 AM | Link to this

And you think that the problems with wins and loses was a direct result of which of those men? I guess I totally misunderstood what happenedd at Auburn this year. Wouldnt it be wise that IF you do change coordinators, (and quite often) you would want to retain at least some continuity. OR would you fire the entire coaching staff at UGA this year?

Bug Killer, how far of a walk is the Athletic department from the SLC? It seems like you could have been there by now , in less time as it took you to write all that?

I’ll tell you one thing that seems to bother you, that I believe you should understand, and would feel better if you did. Maybe Mark Richt has come up with different conclusions , than you have. Ever thought of that? Wouldn’t that explain why his action are so illogical to you? If he doesnt agree with you on the problem, then maybe he wouldn’t handle the solution the same either. Would he? Or do you want him to do something that he does NOT feel is in the best interst of his program? Wouldnt be a real stand up move, now would it? Feel free to debate the Xs and Os, but why try to pretend you are inside the mans’s head?

And its your argument that Coach is willingly putting the program, his family, his job, the very foundation that allows him to do the things he believes in, (including even being able to having a family type atmosphere for his coaches that are his freinds) because of the friend? He might only be smart enough to only win 80% of the time, but he surely isn’t that dumb.

By jfergNCdawg

December 4, 2008 9:02 AM | Link to this

Chip, I like bugkillers thoughts. They seem to be well thought out and well organized….although I admit my own ignorance of the facts here. So, my question to you, Chipper, is this: Would you mind putting together a list of defensive coordinators who consistently have top 10 defenses? Maybe people that possibly could replace Martinez, if that hypothetical situation were to occur? I’m thinking of Ohio State, USC, maybe Va Tech, maybe Ga Tech’s old DC? This list could also include NFL DC’s as well.

Thanks!

By AltamahaDawg

December 4, 2008 9:11 AM | Link to this

I think you need to study Fabris’ resume there a bit. He’s NEVER been a good SP coach? Oh really?

By BugKiller

December 4, 2008 9:31 AM | Link to this

Putting it a different way, he’s always been a far better DE coach than he’s been a ST coordinator.

Georgia’s kickers have always been decent enough, but the punt and kick coverages have never been consistently good under Fabris, and his ridiculous love of corner kicks instead of touchbacks has hurt this team in the past, but mostly this past year.

By BugKiller

December 4, 2008 9:37 AM | Link to this

As far as who would you take instead of Martinez, how about Nick Holt, Rocky Seto, or Dave Watson for starters?

Holt is SC’s defensive coordinator, Seto is their secondary coach, and Watson is the d-line coach.

I’d also rather have any of the defensive coaches off of Saban’s staff right now than Martinez.

I’d love for Evans to fire Martinez, and then offer Charlie Strong a RIDICULOUS amount of money to come up and coach up our defense.

John Chavis is looking for a job, last I heard.

There are PLENTY of guys who would do a far better job than Martinez who’d at least be willing to listen to a job offer.

But what don’t they have?

They’re not BFF’s with the head coach.

By cursive

December 4, 2008 9:38 AM | Link to this

Coach Richt is a class act and a winner, one ugly 9 -3 season (Maybe another 10 win season after the bowl game) is better than any other coach could’ve done here this year. Coach Richt is a long-timer, and he will bring us more SEC Championships and maybe a National Title so you jackals need to lay off before he decides that it isn’t worth it. I, for one, don’t want to sell UGA’s soul for some jerk like Saban who is going to come in, win quickly and then bolt for the next big thing. Quick wins and fires may be in vogue this minute, but stability and a good, strong basis for a team will never go out of style. God Bless Richt. I hope he’s here for another 20 years!

By Dawg Fud

December 4, 2008 9:39 AM | Link to this

Everyone relax - the sky is not falling.

Yes, there need to be some adjustments on Defense.

Good points AltamahaDawg.

Did anyone hear David Greene’s interview this morning on 680 Th Fan?

He discussed Willie Martinez and it was a pretty good assessment.

I am not a blind loyalist but I like Coach Richt and I am proud that he is an ambassador of my university. I trust his judgement. Yes, I have my opinions as an alumnus and athletic supporter….but at the end of the day I trust Coach Richt.

GO DAWGS!

By DawginLex

December 4, 2008 9:41 AM | Link to this

I’m proud to have Coach richt at UGA. I appreciate his loyalty to his coaching staff and the fact that he doesn’t throw people under the bus like his opponents do.

He is still relatively young but he is “old school” in a lot of ways and that is why he is successful. His faith and conservative values matched with being calm and level headed equal a winner.

UGA should be thrilled to have him. He will win big here again and he will deserve it when it happens.

By Dawg Fud

December 4, 2008 9:42 AM | Link to this

I agree with BugKiller re: Fabris a better DE coach than special teams.

Please go ahead and get a stud soccer player for a PK. Blair Wlash has not lived up to his billing, albeit, an inaccurate billing.

By 2N4YEARS

December 4, 2008 9:43 AM | Link to this

Guys,Gals, This is the deal: Richt isn’t dumb. He knows Martinez hasn’t done well. He knows UGA has top-notch recruits. Yeah, some of them haven’t panned-out, but Richt knows that they are better than 10th in the SEC (or should be better). Richt feels as if he has built up a little ‘Money in the Bank’ with his record since he’s been here. He knows he has full control of his program and hiring & firing is his decision. It’s obvious he has decided to use some of his ‘money’ on Martinez. He’s planning on working in the off-season with Martinez and giving him a shot at cleaning things up. He figures that if he works with the coaches and implements some changes with the players to cut back on penalties UGA has a good shot at getting better next year. Then, if Martinez doesn’t produce, at that point he may have to demote Martinez, or even help him find a different job. I’m sure this would be done with some type of ‘severance package’. But he figures he owes another year to his long-time friend. That’s why it’s not a good idea to hire ‘friends’. And the problem with going in this direction is ‘if’ Martinez has a better year next year (2009) (but not great), and Richt decides to keep him on board, then 2010 the defense reverts back to 2008 and he has glitches on offence, he could be looking at a 5-7 season very easily. To me, I think it’s a bad idea to put your head in the sand and not face the facts. Richt is a great person and a very good coach up till now, but I do believe by placing Martinez ahead of the best interest of the program (players,parents,alum,students,staff,fans) is a very bad decision. If it is blatantly obvious to everyone that Martinez should not be the ‘leader’ of GA’s Defense, then Richt surely knows this. I just hope Richts’ stubborn streak, loyalty or what ever you want to call it doesn’t get him in Tuberville land before he can say ‘what just happened?’ I remember once on a call-in show back in 2002, the question was asked to Richt ‘since you are so mild-mannered, how do you get the team motivated?’, and Richts’ answer was ‘that’s why I hire people like Vangorder, they bring the personality that I may be lacking’. It’s obvious he needs to hire another ‘Vangorder’.

By BugKiller

December 4, 2008 9:45 AM | Link to this

And yes Altamaha, that is EXACTLY what I’m saying, and it isn’t as far-fetched as you are falsely trying to make people believe.

Again, Tubby proved it with his Barbeque Boys.

Bowden proved it with his son.

And Richt is now proving it with his BFF, Willie Martinez.

All of these coaches, smart guys all, are putting, or put, their programs in jeopardy because of their refusal to separate their personal and professional relationship with the Barbeque Boys, Jeff Bowden, and Willie Martinez, respectively.

It absolutely devastated FSU’s once proud program, and Bowden let it happen.

It’s one of the main reasons, if not the main reason, why Tubby is looking for work right now.

And Georgia is now heading down the FSU path because the coach is putting his personal relationship with Martinez ahead of the welfare of his team.

How many talented defenses, and talented offensive players at FSU were wasted because the over-his-head Jeff Bowden was at the controls of their offense?

How bad was it this year that one of the best and most balanced offenses in the country, and all of those talented defensive players were adrift, because Willie Martinez was at the helm of this defense, which he has allowed to become unfocused, undisciplined, and unmotivated?

Your arguments ring hallow, AltamahaDawg. They’re tinted with red & black colored glasses that don’t let in the light of reality.

By dc

December 4, 2008 9:50 AM | Link to this

I know what is said in public re WM staying etc. But let’s not assume that Richt is just standing pat. Now is not the time change coaches while trying to recruit. There could well be a new job for WM and JF etc. Who knows, but CMR is not stupid, he may too nice etc. but I think he knows the issues. The question is, is he smart enough to find WM a job elsewhere without getting found out it was his work undercover. Happens all the time in big bz….

By Pietro

December 4, 2008 9:53 AM | Link to this

Bugkiller - great points in both of your posts. CMR’s greatest strengths, his loyalty and kindness, are also his greatest weaknesses. Unfortunately, being a GREAT coach requires a certain degree of ruthlessness, of putting success on the field above personal loyalty. Just look at Nick Saban and Urban Meyer, both great coaches who have never been accused of being loyal or kind. Chip, I hope that you focus a spotlight on this issue which is sure to become bigger if not addressed immediatly by the leadership at UGA.

By Dawg Fud

December 4, 2008 9:54 AM | Link to this

Just as an FYI - Van Gorder is a huge supporter of Willie Martinez and acknowledges that he runs the exact same scheme.

I know it’s easy to place blame on WM. But at the end of the day, players have to tackle. That may come down to fundamentals and coaching, I admit.

I am more dissapointed in Rashad Jones and his overall performance. He doesn’t tackle, he just hits…and usually draws a flag. He takes the worst angles of any secondary player i have seen play at UGA in years. He is starting to make Bryan Evans look all-conference.

At the end of the day coaches gotta coach and players gotta play.

By BugKiller

December 4, 2008 9:57 AM | Link to this

Dawg Fud… what did Greene have to say?

Something involving puppy dogs and rainbows, I’m sure.

As for trusting Richt, well, normally i’d be with you 100%, but he has proven in this issue to be far too personally involved in the situation to make an honest evaluation of Martinez. Just listen to any of the illogical ways he’s defended Martinez the last month.

I’m sure many, many FSU fans believed and said that Bobby Bowden deserved the benefit of the doubt, too, when it came to his choice for OC.

Now look at their program.

Are you honestly willing to let that happen here because you want to blindly trust a man… a fallable human being who can and has made mistakes?

I don’t blame Richt for this at all… I blame people like Chip or T. Moore for not exposing the truth about the abysmal job Martinez has done, and I blame Adams and Evans for not stepping in when it’s obvious that the head coach can’t make the right call on this one because he’s just too close to it.

We’ve only tasted a tiny bit of the success Bowden had down at FSU for years and years.

I want more SEC titles. I want more BCS Bowls.

Neither of those goals are possible with Martinez, not with the SEC as good as it is and with Monte Kiffen coming up to coach Tennessee’s defense, with Meyer down in Florida, with Saban at Bama…

… he’s going to bring this program down like Jeff Bowden did to FSU, down to such a low that it would be nearly impossible to get it going again under Richt…

… and that’s the last thing I want to happen.

By Steve McQueen

December 4, 2008 9:58 AM | Link to this

It is border line depressing to read some of these comments. People who seem to be Dawg fans suggesting Richts job should be in jeopardy? Are you insane? Really? I wonder if anyone posting believes that they know the ins and outs of our program better than Coach Richt? Do you really think that he would not do what he believed was in the best interest of our program?

By BugKiller

December 4, 2008 10:02 AM | Link to this

Dawg Fud…

… again, if it’ the EXACT SAME SCHEME, then why isn’t it working?

DUH!!! Der-dee-dee-dee!

It’s because the coach sucks!!!

Why are fundamentals so bad?

Why is the defense so undisciplined?

Why do they fail to show up for the majority of the big games they’ve played in the last four years?

Why are they so inconsistent?

It couldn’t be Willie Martinez’s fault, could it?

DER-DEE-DEE!

I is so smart I cud put too and too twogether an com up wit da rite anser!

By Pietro

December 4, 2008 10:05 AM | Link to this

Dawf Fud: We all agree that, “At the end of the day coaches gotta coach and players gotta play.” But you also cannot ignore this basic truth: Coaching is critical to performance. The same players played better under Urban Meyer than they did under Ron Zook, or better under Nick Saban that Mike Shula. Either of these coaches could have won a national championship with the UGA’s players, and rest assured, neither would tolerate a coordinater as weak as Martinez.

By ace

December 4, 2008 10:06 AM | Link to this

Richt says we are runing the same basic defensive scheme that we have always run, duh, did someone forget to tell him to look at the offenses that are out there now! Offenses have changed dramatically since he arrived so doesn’t it make sense to say defenses must change too? Ask Orgeron and Croom what happens when you refuse to fire your friends,they both were asked by their athletic directors to make changes and they refused. The same thing is going to happen to Richt because he is one of the most rigid people I have ever seen in coaching. He just refuses to accept reality and it is going to get him fired but, not soon enough regretfully.

By NCMTNDawg

December 4, 2008 10:07 AM | Link to this

Altamaha and BugKiller - both make valid points. I must say that I agreed with the clarity and bluntness of BK’s hypothetical questions.

Let me first state that I don’t like to see people lose their jobs. Martinez, Fabris, etc. have been loyal to the program and have put in all blood, sweat and tears. However, I also believe that in order to be rational, one must step back from the situation and look at it objectively. Unfortunately, the “proof is in the pudding.” The Georgia D is not good, period! Giving up 38+ points repeatedly, missed and horrible tackling, blown assignments, unsportsmanlike penalties, etc. is what it is - TERRIBLE! Therefore, like in all walks of life, changes need to be made IMO. You don’t keep on a salesperson if they can’t sell a water hose to a person in a building on fire, do you?

I’ll finish with this simple question. As a fan or alum, where you pleased with the PRODUCT on the field on the defensive side of the ball this year?

Be good and GO DAWGS!!!

By tim

December 4, 2008 10:11 AM | Link to this

Okay people, we need to remember from whence we’ve come. Ray Goff and Jim DOnnan. Richt has done a great job every year since he’s been at UGA. We, the ever fans, DO NOT know the whole story, we don’t see the big picture at UGA. To even think that Richt could be or should be in trouble is crazy. We need to support him and his decisions until it is proved he’s not worthy of our support. My gosh we did finish 9-3. Yes I do think we under achieved. I do think that the defense is a huge weakness as well as the special teams but people we have to give Richt a chance to be a head coach and address these issues before we tar and feather him.

By Dawg Fud

December 4, 2008 10:11 AM | Link to this

BugKiller

no, not puppy dogs and rainbows.

i know David personally and he is a straight shooter. given your supposed loyalty to UGA i would expect you to give the QB in NCAA history with the most wins a little more respect and credit. i think he knows the game better than we do.

he acknowledged that anytime you score over 40 pts. in an SEC game you should win. however, Greene felt the players did not execute. he acknowledged that neither Richt or Willie is going to throw them under the bus. tackling was a big issue. they were in position to make the play, they just simply did not make it.

also, when you get no pressure on the QB it makes your defense exponentially weaker. That was Georgia’s ailment all season.

By D.Ellis

December 4, 2008 10:11 AM | Link to this

Of course those are questions by Bug Killer. But much like a million dollar idea….they have already been thought of. Was this defense bad this year. You bet it was. Was it better under BVG. You bet it was. But let’s look at that without attacking a certain coach.

BVG has NUMEROUS 1rst day draft picks and other draft picks littered throughout his defense EVERY SINGLE YEAR. The list goes on and on of LB’s/DB’s and DL that are littered throughout the NFL that played for UGA under BVG.

-So I say no. I disagree when RICHT makes the statement of “We are recruting the same type of player”. I don’t see it. I just don’t. I see 1 NFL draft pick this year on that Defense and a possible 2 in the years to come with Asher Allan being a question mark.

There are ZERO 1rst round draft picks on that defense.

Eric Berry was a 5 star safety and #1 at his position coming out of high school. So was Rashad Jones. Did bad coaching Make R.Jones not as good as Eric Berry? I don’t think so.

Look at BVG.THERE IS A REASON HE IS A DC IN THE NFL. look in you own back yard and watch the Falcons. He has taken a pitiful Falcon defense and turned it around to a decent defense.

BVG is a special DC and a very good coach. That much is obvious. WM is no BVG or else he would be coaching in the NFL and not BVG. That much is true. However BVG had tons more talent on that defense than WM has now. TONS

Those are great qustions posed by Bug Killer. I’m jsut setting conversation. I don’t want WM fired. I don’t want Richt fired. We all see the crazy fans on here with FIRE MARK RICHT after almost every loss. The bar has been raised at UGA and Richt did it. THAT IS GREAT. RICHT IS A VERY GOOD COACH AND SHOULD BE WELCOMED TO STAY AT UGA FOR AS LONG AS HE WANTS.

-All fans have the right to question coaches and waht they do and their results. It’s sports. It what amkes it great. But there is a reason why we do waht we do and they do what they do.

-Be very very careful what you wish for. Wishing for the firing of CMR and WM might not be needed. If enough of this wishing and protesting keeps happening you might wake up one day to find the coaches have had enough of it and have already left…..no their own.

By Dawg Fud

December 4, 2008 10:12 AM | Link to this

Greene also felt that Satfford would have an exceptional and tenured career in the NFL. he says he is one of the best passers he has seen.

he also commented that he thought Tebow would make a good TE in the NFL.

By Dawg Fud

December 4, 2008 10:18 AM | Link to this

BugKiller, i think our philospohical approaches is the reason for our differences.

i see the coaching and playing as a symbiotic relationship, each who has a share in the success.

i think we may have a talent issue on defense. the scheme has proven to work, we just have not executed it as well this season.

marcus howard was a difference make last year. kelin johnson was difference maker. senior leadership makes a difference and we never really had that this year. emotion is a big part of college football.

again, not saying that willie martinez is the best DC in the world, but i think there are more variables involved than the notion that he is unintelligent. but he played for Miami in the 80’s - i think the guy understands football.

By NCMTNDawg

December 4, 2008 10:23 AM | Link to this

I am in NO WAY calling for Richt’s job. He has done a fantastic job in making UGA relevant again to the football world, as well as being a great man.

Please see above post. I am being a REALAST. CWM’s job is to put a GOOD product on the field. What we saw in ‘08 was NOT good! Don’t let your loyalty get in the way.

GO DAWGS!!!

By ACE IS ABSOLUTELY CORRECT

December 4, 2008 10:26 AM | Link to this

Part of being successful in football is being able to change your schemes, either from game to game, or with time. Not that you must “revolutionize” your defensive (or offensive) schemes, but a head coach must be able to tailor them to counter the offense which they face.

The loss against Tech is a good example of continuing to run the same defensive scheme. It just doesn’t work. Discounting the missed tackles (poor fundamentals are a reflection of the personality of the coaching staff), Tech still would have run for way over 300 yards.

Clearly, there are coaching problems - but I am sure Richt will address these problems, and will force more flexibility into the defensive (and offensive, for that matter) schemes next year. If not, then UGA will continue to decline, and Richt will eventually lose his job.

By gwatl

December 4, 2008 10:26 AM | Link to this

Coach RIcht had best take note of what happened to Tuberville. If he does not start instilling discipline on that team — on and off the field — and teaching character, the same thing will happen to him!! UGA’s problems this year could be attributed to two things: lack of discipline, and mediocre coaching!

By D.Ellis

December 4, 2008 10:31 AM | Link to this

I will pose this question. Who are the back ups pushing these guys for playing time? Is there a reason why we see A. Allan/P. Miller/R. Jones/R.Battle/ starting week after week after week? Actually I didn’t see R.Battle against Tech….but I’m not questioning these players and their abilities. I support these players… I’m questioning who is pushing thee guys for playing time?

It was good to see D. Tyson out there. Maybe C. Washington and T. Jackson/ D. Tyson Can step up and form a nice DL for a few years to come.

By gdawginkalamazoo

December 4, 2008 10:36 AM | Link to this

Chip, I really like the last paragraph listing Coach Richt’s accomplishments while at UGA. Never in an 8 year span has UGA football looked better in my lifetime. NEVER. Of course there were the HW years for three years. But consistently winning. IF offered the Cap One bowl I would hope that you fans that live within a 1/2 day driving time would go and support the team. Being invited to the highest bowl outside of the BCS isn’t an insult. Sure it isn’t what everybody expected this year but it happens. Hopefully Richt will get Martinez some help. Not fire him, not demote him but get him some help. No shame in that is there. Not like we can’t afford it. I imagine it is hard for Richt to go through this. Don’t berate the man, don’t tell him he ought to be fired. Instead let him work through it. He will get it right. He has only been here eight years. I hope he is here another 8-10 or longer. This is one bulldog fan that is proud to have him as our coach. Support your team. I remember a 20 year time span where we would have killed to go to a New Year’s day bowl like the Cap One.

Congrats to Tech’s Dwyer on the ACC player of the year award. Glad we could help.

By marie

December 4, 2008 10:36 AM | Link to this

TO COACH RICHT:

You do know that Jesus Himself got angry, but did not sin? Be ye therefore angry and sin not. So Mark— GET ANGRY; it IS ok.

By Chip Towers

December 4, 2008 10:39 AM | Link to this

Folks, I’m not going to campaign for CMR to change defensive coordinators. That’s not my job. My job is to be objective and report what’s going on with the football program. I’ve reported that the defense was poor this season, one of the worst performances since the early 1900s. I’ve reported that CMR says there will not be any staff changes, Martinez specifically. If you’d prefer that he make a change I would suggest you contact him or AD Damon Evans… .

By the way, Fabris is NOT the special teams coach. Georgia divides responsibilities. Fab oversees punt returns/blocks and kickoffs. Tony Ball handles kickoff returns, John Lilly handles placement kicks and punts, too (I think).

By Pietro

December 4, 2008 10:41 AM | Link to this

Steve McQueen: Nobody in their right mind is suggesting that CMR should be fired. We are pointing out a severe flaw in his program that could lead to his downfall if not addressed. We do this not to be negative but in the hope that the problem is fixed, CMR achieves great success and we can all celebrate the degreee of success we should be achieving.

By Ben

December 4, 2008 10:41 AM | Link to this

I believe that the fundamental issue, along with you Dawg Fud, is leadership and nastiness. This D just looks like it never had any semblance of that from previous years.

That DOES fall on the coaching staff to some degree, because you attempt to develop leaders, ones who will have a nose for the ball and play with attitude and discipline, but it also falls on the players, who themselves acknowledged they never had a clear cut leader this year. One of those problems can be attributed to some of our most talented players being quite soft-spoken.

Anyways, I agree that the scheme in general works. We’ve seen it work. The coaching issues that can be addressed can and will, unless you’re jsut a moron who thinks mark Richt is stupid.

And BugKiller…. Richt’s relationship with Martinez is, and never will be, ANYTHING like the Bowdens were at FSU. I also find it funny when you say that Martinez coached a weak secondary.

Yeah. Right. Against SEC talent?

Davis. Blue. Phillips. Jennings. Oliver. Battle. Wansley.

Sorry, no dice.

By gdawginkalamazoo

December 4, 2008 10:45 AM | Link to this

Hey Bulldawg, we know that you have been a strong supporter of Tuberville over the years. Next you can harp on his record at Miss State.

By DawginLex

December 4, 2008 10:46 AM | Link to this

Zero first round draft picks ??

Better look again.

Jeff Owens Geno Atkins

Both projected in the first or second rounds. Kade Weston could also get drafted. The problem was the corners and safties not tackling and underachieving linebackers. THEY DIDN”T TACKLE !!!!

Marcus howard is in the league. Who did he play for ??

You might as well quit clamoring for WM to get fired. It ain’t gonna happen and Richt will win big with him as DC.

LOYALTY=LOST ART IN TODAY’S SOCIETY

Richt believes in loyalty and that’s why he is successfuland will reamin that way. I’m also sure he believes in job performance and accountability. I trust him to handle it.

By dan

December 4, 2008 10:48 AM | Link to this

I sucks to hear about what has happened to Tommy Tuberville. But I can’t say I’m too surprised. The lesson to be learned from that situation is don’t continue to stay where you’re not wanted b/c eventually you’ll be forced out. Tuberville should have left after the 2004 undefeated season just to stick it to Lowder. As for Richt and Co. let’s see if he can turn it around next year. I will say that Martinez is only half of the equation. If these kids don’t start playing with more heart, I say bench the entire defense, put in all freshmen and rebuild. I mean does anyone really believe that these players are going to play their guts out in the bowl game? I don’t, and I’d rather have them stay home then go to a bowl game, slop around and lose, adding to the Bulldog Nation’s misery even more.

By goallinestalker

December 4, 2008 10:51 AM | Link to this

recruiting is so overrated…look no further than greene last player signed in his class…now he is the all-time wins leader in cfb history…how about pollack signed as a fullback…ends up a first rounder at de in the draft…that is coaching my boys…I watched the boy wonder Tim Tebow play lb his frosh yr in high school won a state championship…transferred to bigger school moved to qb and won 2 more state titles then a heisman …one natl title maybee another?? Bottom line coaching matters…somewhere lost in a season of unmet expectations the uga fan base is bent on placing the blame on coaching…players play coaches coach…bottom line…you think last years run at the SEC tourney in basketball was coaching or players playing? I am full on for CMR…anything less is hyprocritical as a fan…Whats really funny is UF goes 9-4 off a ntl championship season loses 3 coaches this year and is poised to win the Ntl title again…

By AltamahaDawg

December 4, 2008 11:02 AM | Link to this

Well from the idea of identifying yourself as the “anti-GT”, I can tell this is not the week that somebody would be able to carry on the most objective debate with you.

I do agree that our defense was the worst unit this year, but they were the best unit in the past 2 years. I also refuse to accept that when we seems to have the biggest defensive letdowns in our losses, it was purely coincidently that our offense happen to be totally ineffective, and in some cases counter-productive to the goal of winning the football game.

Same scheme didn’t work as well this year. I can’t answer that in full (although I believe one can point to several factors) BUT it worked plenty good last year. If its pure “objectivity” at stake, how can the same DC have a really good defense one year doing the same thing Not be good the next year? To me, when unable to find more complicated answers, go with the most obvious. The DC forgetting something doesn’t seem to be the most obvious to me. Didn’t seem to be a suitable answer in late 03’ or 04’ either.

But hey, you want to continualy insist that you know what Mark Richt thinks…… BOTTOM LINE: You would not stand in front of him in person and make these same assertions.

Fud….let’s give Jones a little time. He has not reached his potential. This is his first year as a starter. As poorly as he did tackle at times, he also lead the team in tackles in about half the game. As many tackles as Eric Berry this year. Lead the team with 4 ints. Did have a few bright moments.

By Mobile Dawg

December 4, 2008 11:03 AM | Link to this

There were some things going on inisde the AU program (according to rumors that usually have some heat) that some of the decisions Tubs made, like the hiring of Franklin weren’t his idea and against his style and better judgement. AU has been a turbulent place for Tuberville for years as most people that know anything about the program know. I admire TT for holding his ground for as long as he did. Tubs probably walked outside yesterday afternoon, took a deep breath, looked up, smiled, and felt a ton lighter, and wealthier.

Our situation while different is similar. Like it or not expectations have been established by results, now they’re expected. I wasn’t happy with the overall results this year, but I won’t call for anyones job. And yes, I saw many bright spots and great things happen this year too. You can’t always tell what kind of job someone’s doing by looking at the record alone. In business you look at trends, patterns, the competition. Football is a business.

The unfortunate thing that some of you don’t seem to want to see, hear, or admit are the facts. As far as opinions go, thank god most of us have the ability to have one. My opinion may differ from yours, or Richts, but I have the right to it. I’ve played and loved football as well as other sports for over 40 years. I don’t need stats to see the off the field problems, the softness in the program, the lack of discipline on the field, the poor fundamentals, the history of our “D”s performance the last 3 years gradually deteriorating. I want this team to succeed, we will lose games in this conference under any coach, it’s a tough playground. It’s not the losses, it’s the way we lost, plain and simple.

Sorry if this offends any of you but “things do need to change”, that’s not my opinion, just a fact. This team needs “Stronger Leadership”, focus, committment, a strong heartbeat, confidence, discipline, and a little luck. Can CMR provide that? IMO the record and recent trends say he’s not providing that at this moment in time. Can he provide that? I believe he can, but it’s not happening now, at least the results I see aren’t showing it. Others are getting better around us, the smaller non traditional powers are getting better too, there are more quality atheletes available than there were in the past. In my heart I want what’s best for the atheletes, I hope they all grow up to become successful young men who contribute in a positive way to our society and way of life. I just happen to believe they can do that and win at a high level at the same time.

It’s good see comments from people like Altamaha and his army providing support, as well as constructive intelligent comments like Bugkiiller and others. We meet somewhere in the middle and get stronger.

By Gen Neyland

December 4, 2008 11:05 AM | Link to this

Zoo

Sounds like you’re call’n out the ol’ BuLLslinger at high noon…or am I gonna be high at noon..? He’ll come a-gunnin’ fer ya…sneak right up and BANG…plug ya in yer back…

By RED ZONE

December 4, 2008 11:06 AM | Link to this

The most frustrating to watch in UGA games this year was RED ZONE PLAY, I know we are discussing defense here, but if there were more red zone conversions, UGA could have won all games

By RxDawg

December 4, 2008 11:10 AM | Link to this

AU has to have somebody good lined up. It’s the only explanation. Way too stupid of a move to get rid of a proven good coach. This really does not look good on AU’s behalf. If they are looking for a coach from scratch it will be tough to lure in anyone good. Unless the idea is to get a “stepping stone” coach until they can get someone really good. Couple of good names I can think of Phillip Fulmer (funny but I really doubt it), Bill Cower, Butch Davis (doubt it), I guess that Leech guy from TT (overated). All in all, bad move Auburn. If I was a fan I’d be irrate.

By RxDawg

December 4, 2008 11:14 AM | Link to this

Wow Chip! I hear a new kind of tone in your writing today…. and I like it ;)

By Joe

December 4, 2008 11:14 AM | Link to this

Bug Killer, you should stick to studying math or whatever in the SLC. Tuberville’s loyalty to assistatns? you must have you head in the sand.

Also, there is a big difference between Jeff Bowden and Willie. Jeff Bowden’s units never played well. While our PPG has gone up each year since BVG left, the first year it was by decimal points. In 2007 it went up one point, and last year we averaged 20ppg. However, that 20 ppg was 2nd best in the SEC. So we go from a year when our D was second best, to a year when it was bad. We have very recently seen good production.

Chip, why don’t you do your job as a reporter and educate the masses who are misled? Point to the stats previously. It is a shame when this paper has to rely on Terrence Moore for a thoughtful story.

By Dawg for life

December 4, 2008 11:18 AM | Link to this

Mark Richts gets paid the upwards of $2.8 million to make these tough decisions. He has led us this far, can’t we trust him to make the right one?

I guess any one with an internet connection and a computer is now a genius about football.

By D.Ellis

December 4, 2008 11:21 AM | Link to this

There are a couple of NFL draft picks…..A COUPLE. But the talent gap under BVG and WM is a large gap IMO

By Mobile Dawg

December 4, 2008 11:29 AM | Link to this

Chip, to me it depends on what type of journalist “you” want to be. Some do as you do and try to report the facts, some ask questions just to try and stir up a hornets nest. Personally, I think you do fine, pot stirrers peeve me off.

Red Zone, we shouldn’t have to outscore people 51-49. I agree execution and play calling could be improved upon in specific instances. I would have run a different play than Bobo did on 2nd and 3 against UF, but mine could have gotten stuffed too. I would have toss swept to Moreno, and QB sneaked behind Ben Jones if it were 3rd and short, and I would have rolled the dice on 4th also if necessary if it were still short yardage. That’s 3 plays to get 3 yards. IMO, our offensive philosophy is sometimes to greedy, but then again it’s exciting when it works. Take the good with the bad and average it out. Bottom line was our “O” was plenty good most of the time. Mark of a champion is when one supports the other, when the O is off the D has to rise.

To all, just tighten up the ship a bit and we should be fine. To those that say Richt doesn’t read the blogs, he doesn’t have to. He knows what’s going on, I believe he knows that MAYBE, we could have gotten a bit complacent. A little more focus, effort, and attention to a few details, and a little “lady luck smil’in on us” and we can contend for a NC.

By murfdawg

December 4, 2008 11:34 AM | Link to this

note to gdawginkalamazoo;

It is amazing that we have a bad season and go 9-3. I remember Dooley having a couple of seasons worse than this one. But I don’t remember the Dawgs playing three worse quarters than we did against Bama, Fla and GT. I think this is what is so frustrating to everyone down here. This defense is like watching John Wayne fall off his horse in the movies. Every time you watch the movie he falls off his horse! The bloggers want to know (or think they know) how to fix the problem.

I have a project for you. Start a ground swell movement for Eastern Michigan to hire Martinez as HEAD COACH!!This would allow CMR to find another coach, keep his friendship with WM, and make 50 angry bloggers happy. It’s up to you to save the Bulldawg nation.

Thanks and see you in Orlando!!

By gdawginkalamazoo

December 4, 2008 11:35 AM | Link to this

General, gotta give him some grief. TT is dead at AU and he is still kicking that horse. What do you think of your new HC? Sounds like he putting together a strong team of assistants.

Auburn has a plane on the way to Louisville as we speak. Wait make that Arkansas. Wait it is not midnight yet. But by midnight on the tarmac of a drug smuggling airstrip in rural Arkansas a new coach will be hire for Auburn.

By Elvis

December 4, 2008 11:37 AM | Link to this

YOU CAN NOT WIN THE KENTUCKY DERBY ON A …MULE!!!!!!!

#35 stands out for 2 reasons:

He is the best player on the D and he is the only one giving 100% effort EVERY PLAY!!

Truth: DB’s are weak and slow…DLine is thin…LB’s are soft (other than Curran).

Blizes were called all year long. Instead of flying in like their hair was on fire, the blitzer would routinly tip-toe and get caught in the “trash” effectively just taking out another defender.

The DLine is not strong enough to get pressure.

The D was in the proper place against tech, they just did not tackle. They could not be in the proper place without being coached to be there.

We have to trust Richt…he has earned it. He is 1 year from being #2 in the country.

I hear Ray Goff is going to auburn!!

By jdawg

December 4, 2008 11:46 AM | Link to this

Dawgfud- How can you actually state the main reason for our terrible D this year is because or lack of senior leadership? Please look at UF’s starting D and show me one senior on it. Stop making excuses and please take off the homer glasses every once in awhile.

By TechCrybaby

December 4, 2008 11:49 AM | Link to this

Coach Richt IS a great man, and a great coach, despite his misfortunes this year. He has had a great run at UGA. He may be too kindly to shake up his staff, and that would be pushing kindliness to a fault. But we’ll see what happens now.

By Dogbyte

December 4, 2008 11:55 AM | Link to this

Just checked in to see this is the “Bug Killer”, all caps and italics show. Not to mention the repeats, ad nauseum. Think I’ll check Oprah out.

By gdawginkalamazoo

December 4, 2008 12:00 PM | Link to this

murfdawg, Sorry I don’t get over to Ypsilanti very often so EMU (I think that is where it is at) will have to find it’s own coach. Of course if potential employers were to read these blogs Willie couldn’t get hired anywhere on the planet. Didn’t the space station just expand? I will do my best though. I can’t agree more 9-3 with a very good bowl to go. Look for Brian Kelly from Cincinnati to fill one of those open SEC slots though. That guy has won at every level.

By Gen Neyland

December 4, 2008 12:03 PM | Link to this

Zoo

I reserve the right to be inconclusive in my judgement at this time…I hear-tell through the UT grapevine Kiffin has already made his initial first impression on the team. Whether it was good, bad or WOW depends on those receptive to change, or not…If CHANGE is all the rage in the 21st century, I HOPE it works out. Let’s say showing Clawson the door should have been priorty 1 for Kiffin…I wonder where John Chavis will land..? He’s one of the best at what he does with a defense.

By gdawginkalamazoo

December 4, 2008 12:14 PM | Link to this

General, maybe Chavis could be a consultant for UGA. Why not, hire him through a temp agency and see if it works. I bet Clawson has already forgotten where the stadium is. If UT truly wanted a maverick and a change it could have hired Ralph Nader.

By Supes

December 4, 2008 12:20 PM | Link to this

The Clock is ticking on CMR and his staff. After the terrible defensive letdown in 2008, he’s chosen to “hitch his wagon” to his best pal Willie “I don’t blitz and play soft d” Martinez. As Willie goes, so will CMR eventually. CMR may have a lot of pull “and chips” to play with (due to his pervious success), but just like Auburn showed us all…it’s WIN NOW, and DON’T get humiliated by your biggest rival in a loss.

If UGA has a 6-6 season in 09 and loses again in a humiliating fashion to both FLA and GT (looks likely both games will go that way), it’s not out of the question that CMR and his entire staff could be fired.

Again, look at Tommy T at Auburn. Just 4 years ago, he was 13-0!

As much as I like CMR as a good christian guy, etc I sure do hope he realizes that you live and die by the same sword! Your overall record and HOW you lose big games when you lose them.

By atl-xmen

December 4, 2008 12:33 PM | Link to this

bugkiller..please give me the rankings of the UGA defense since WM he has beem DC.

then match them to any DC out there that you would have running the defense. just curious. thanks

By murfdawg

December 4, 2008 12:41 PM | Link to this

note to gdawginkalamazoo:

Thanks for the consideration. I will try to dream up another plan. Kelly would be a nice pick for UT. they used to recruit OH a little bit (Munoz comes to mind).Who is AU going after?

By Houdawg

December 4, 2008 12:43 PM | Link to this

The hilarity about the AUB situation is to hear that Petrino has been contacted (again )! HA ……. what a joke. But, ya wouldn’t be surprised to see that sleazeball show-up there now would ya ?!

Wonder if he can sing WAR EAGLE like SOOEY !!

By RJS

December 4, 2008 12:47 PM | Link to this

This just in over the news wires: Tommy Tuberville to replace Willie Martinez as UGAs defensive Coordinator.

By cmr is gone in 2 years

December 4, 2008 1:05 PM | Link to this

Mark my words, He will be gone in 2 years. I respect and like CMR but he cannot and will not be able to beat Urban Meyer the next 2 years and probably won’t beat the techsters either if he couldn’t beat them this year. As many weak teams as there are in the sec this year UGA barely eked out wins against the likes of kentucky, south carolina, vandy, and the worst auburn and tennesse teams in at least a decade. When they teams ebb back up as they surely will he will have an even tougher time beating them, especially with Moreno and Stafford gone. CMR is good for 3 losses or more minimally for the next 2 years. His record will begin to look just like Donnan and he will be gone also. 11 years without an nc and the program will be declining as others rise around us. This is obvious for everyone to see and if you can’t see this coming you are blind, delusional, or just plain in denail.

By Richt to Miami

December 4, 2008 1:11 PM | Link to this

Maybe the reason Richt isnt going to make any changes in his coaching staff is because he will be the one changing. I recently heard rumors that Miami is going to go after CMR. He is a Miami grad you know.

By Gen Neyland

December 4, 2008 1:17 PM | Link to this

Rumor on Clawson was AD Hamilton was happy to pay him off. After all, his work Atop Rocky was done when he helped Hamilton get rid of CPF…Mission Accomplished…Now, off to the House. Somebody’s got to stir the grits…

By Big Fat Know It All

December 4, 2008 1:22 PM | Link to this

First of all, I would like to say firing CMR would be absolutely dumb - especially at this point. Do something like that now, and no one will want to touch this job and we will be mediocre to bad for a long time. People say that Richt should see what happened at Auburn and take heed. But the truth to the matter is, Auburn is the one who is in big trouble now. You watch. They are in a very similar situation that Alabama was in when they fired Curry. No stability in the program and nothing consistent for a while. At least Tennessee was more justified. This Fulmer’s second losing season in 4 years. There was a trend going there.

That being said, the coaching at UGA this particular year was not the best. Personally, I think that CWM is not the answer at DC. However, despite a trend of decreased defensive performance under watch, this year was the only year his defense looked completely lost. If I was in Richt’s shoes, I probably would have pink slipped Martinez. But for the same reason we shouldn’t fire Richt for ONE underachieving year (Notice I didn’t say bad), it is probably a good move on Richt’s part to maintain him after one BAD year. Truth to the matter, both he and Fabris could benefit by having additional coaches on the staff. It will take the load off and allow them to concentrate more on particular areas.

There are two reasons, however, that I feel Richt may want to consider firing either Martinez or Fabris or both right now. First of all, I saw where someone said they saw Martinez and Fabris getting into it on the sidelines. Now, I didn’t see this, but it did the same thing happen on the sidelines during the LSU game. This isn’t good. This isn’t good at all. This kind of friction not only affects their particular areas but every other area of the team as well. Until this type of friction is solved, there is no we can expect the players to do anything the coaches say. This needs to be fixed ASAP. Second of all, and this is more pertinent to canning Martinez now, but the availability of GREAT, proven DC’s now that may not available later. Chavis is obviously one that comes to mind, but another is the suddenly available Tubberville, who by the way is a Richt “buddy” and a former DC at Miami. Now, there could be some reasons not to get guys like that, but the point I’m making, is guys of that calibur may not be available later.

In short,I believe Richt is the right guy for the job. When our “down” season are still 9 win seasons, you know you are in good shape. I do believe as long as we are patient, Richt will bring us more SEC titles and will eventually bring us a Natioanl title. However, I do think in order to do that, he will have to change some of the ways he does things. The alltime greats have always done this, and I think Richt realizes this and is more than willing to do so. The main thing he does need to change is his loyalty to fault. Whether he does it this year or not, he at some point is going to have to make a tough decision on Martinez or some assistant. This loyalty could end up costing him his job should he not change. And like I said earlier, that would be very bad for our program.

By jj

December 4, 2008 1:23 PM | Link to this

Richt Who? Its just a matter of time. The love affair is over.

By gdawginkalamazoo

December 4, 2008 1:25 PM | Link to this

Supes, oh no you ditt-tent. Clock ticking on Richt? LMAO! Did you read the headline above “The Dean” of SEC coaches. I would hope with his record and considering the previous state of UGA football affairs for the previous 20+ years that he would deserve better respect than that. While being disappointed in the losses this season AND the way they occurred I am still a bulldog fan for life and a supporter of Coach Richt and the team. Clock ticking is Auburn or UT talk. It is a shame that TT and Fulmer had to go out the way they did. A couple of really rotten seasons and bam! Truth is Auburn didn;t deserve Tuberville.

By hotrod

December 4, 2008 1:29 PM | Link to this

bugkiller you are the man!!!!

By DawgGirl32

December 4, 2008 1:34 PM | Link to this

All this coaches getting canned talk makes me especially proud to be a Bulldog. Be thankful for a 9-3 season that didn’t end with our coach getting wrongfully fired.

By VINCE

December 4, 2008 1:39 PM | Link to this

GEORGIA NEEDS TO RUN MARTINEZ OUT OF ATHENS ON A DAMN RAIL IF HE CANT COACH A DEFENSE HOW TO WRAP UP AND TACKLE ANY BETTER THAN THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By AltamahaDawg

December 4, 2008 1:44 PM | Link to this

Mobile, You got that right. Changes needed. Well I would lable it “improvement needed”. If we had the defense we ended up with last year I honestly dont think anyone would want to change a darn thing. So the question becomes, do you try to address the actual physical problems that kept this unit from being as good as the last unit WM had, or do you get rid of WM to try to get the unit to be as good as what WM had. Just seems to me that the latter (not to mention isnt going to happen) is a bit of a wasted effort to continue to debate.

The Red Zone deal: I’d say that was an issue, more than just inside the 20 yr line. Our inability to impose our will on the O-line at times was a HUGE factor in all 3 losses. None of the 3 phases of football exist in a vacuum. It wouldn’t take me long to name specific series that had we been able to move and control the ball better, thing would have totally changed in the game. I am cerain that if a guy like me can do that, the staff has it up on the board as well, as an area for improvement.

Excellent point about Richt. Hopefully he doesnt read this stuff, but he doesnt have to. He lives this stuff. ANYthing discussed in a fan blog, any issue, concerns, observation, has already been indentified, scrutinized, broken down and disected in ways we couldn’t even understand long before we brought it to light, I am cerain.

By RxDawg

December 4, 2008 1:49 PM | Link to this

Me thinks Bugkiller is a Buglover. You seem to be a bit antagonistic.

By gdawginkalamazoo

December 4, 2008 1:56 PM | Link to this

Just off the press at ESPN, the AD and Prez at Auburn were “shocked” by TT’s resignation. Evidently they wanted him to stay on board. Bet he had a midnight meeting somewhere of his own this time. Best place to coach right now is in the SEC. Loads of cash floating around.

By MAYBE WE NEED A NEW BEATWRITER TOO?

December 4, 2008 2:09 PM | Link to this

Chip,

Gets upset because he is not doing his job. He NEVER asks the tough Questions…NEVER….WE ARE NOT ASKING YOU TO DEMAND A CHANGE WE ARE ASKING YOU TO POINT OUT THE OBVIOUS….AND THEN SEE WHAT THE REACTION…IS Maybe BUGkiller should put his resume for your job…He had all the right questions to ask that either you do not have or do not have the cahunnas to ask….BUGKILLER why dont you send the AJC your resume…ITS TIME TO GET THESE CREMEPUFFS OUT OF HERE AND GET SOME REAL BEATWRITERS THAT HOLD OUR SPORTS FRANCHISES ACCOUNTABLE…..We are the ones who watch the games and pay for tickets and for that matter watch it on TV if we did not then there would be no advertising monies or anything so even the arm chair fan generates money to the school or professional organization. Its time to step or your beat Chip or call Bugkiller and offer him the JOB.

By 45-42

December 4, 2008 2:09 PM | Link to this

If there was ever any question about the AJC’s bias towards UGA, this article sums it up nicely. Dean? Richt has done nothing in the past few weeks except lose to Georgia Tech.

AJC Management- please make it official and change the name to Athens Journal Constitution. And get out of town.

By Dean

December 4, 2008 2:14 PM | Link to this

Most of you guys are nuts and I wish you would just go ahead and jump off the Georgia bandwagon. Us real fans love the job the Mark Richt has done and hope that he stays and has as fruitfull a career as Vince Dooley. Willie Martinez is a grat coach and a great man. Let him do his job without all the nagging. Your like a bunch of old women. Go spend time with your families and trust UGA to it’s coaches who have consistenly won and succeded at doing what they do. Every football program goes through ebbs. Our ebb is a 9 win season. All you bandwagon fans weren’t sitting in that stadium during the Goff years. You were probably decked out in FSU gear. Go back to that team and leave the true Dawg fans to push this team to excellence.

By bb's

December 4, 2008 2:21 PM | Link to this

I keep hearing that CMR is a class act. Before kickoff last Saturday, Georgia was honoring their seniors at midfield. The Tech players left the endzone and headed toward midfield themselves. PJ and two of his assistants stopped them at the 30 with one simple hand signal. No Tech player was across the 35 yard line. None! Within 10 seconds the entire Georgia team was moving toward the Tech players with every Georgia coach trying in vain to stop them. No discipline at all. That was the story of Saturday’s game. Discipline. CMR came from FSU. Bobby Bowden wouldn’t sit down a murderer for a big game,and CMR learned from him. Football requires discipline. Tech has it. Oh, by the way. 45-42! THWG.

By Joe

December 4, 2008 2:23 PM | Link to this

The solution to all the problems with the dawgs is very very simple. There is only one path to the promised land of perfect football each and every game, each and every season….lets fire all the coaches, rescind the scholarship of all the players, fire the athletics director, maybe the president of the university also and replace them with the experts on this blog. They can show those guys a thing or two about football coachin’. It would be a shame to waste such expertise just complaining about things.

By dean

December 4, 2008 2:32 PM | Link to this

Bb’s. how about 1-7 the past 8 years against UGA. You Tech people aren’t nearly as smart as you claim your institution to be.

By gdawginkalamazoo

December 4, 2008 2:32 PM | Link to this

Dean, that terrible ebb could end up being another ho-hum pedestrian 10 win season. I don’t understand how anybody can be disappointed in that. I know I’m not.

By Huh???

December 4, 2008 2:34 PM | Link to this

Yeah Dean lets give Mark Richt a couple more years and see what happens. From a fan that is not a bandwagon fan….Just makes you question someones abilities when the DEFENSE has progressively gotten worse for the last 4 years it is obvious there is a problem, take off your blinders. Willie Needs to go and can anyone fire up these football players I am beginning to think even Mark Richt does not have that ability. Willie Martinez came with no resume he was given the JOB when Van Gorder left not because he was a proven coach it is time to get a Proven Defensive coordinator in there….Also how much longer do we have to hear great coach/great man me personally would rather have great coach/big ahole like Nick Saban/Urban Meyer. MY Guess is that you feel this season was awesome…If the Alabama and Florida games were actually games then I am sure more people would be less animated however when you get KILLED by these two teams and beat by Georgia Tech then you have to start questioning something….Most point given up in close to 100 YEARS that 100 YEARS come on wake up and smell the stinch

By Mort Merkel

December 4, 2008 2:42 PM | Link to this

The UGA fans who are bashing the coaching staff don’t deserve them. They are the ones who have given you the success that now makes you act like spoiled &$%#(@s after a year that is merely “good.” Get a life and go ^&$@# yourselves.

By BJohnDawg

December 4, 2008 2:43 PM | Link to this

Richt is not going to fire staff in the MIDDLE of the recruiting phase. This is one of the most important times of the year for recruiting.

If he were to get rid of someone, it would be more of a promotion or bringing in someone new and a combination of demotions etc. But not when you are out there trying to get young men to commit to your program. Thats why TN hired Kiffin so fast and he jumped out there on the recruiting trail.

Rumor has it, Tubberville was told to fire his offensive staff. He said no way, we are in the middle of recruiting trips. AD said fire them, he said no, fire me and give me my package.And guess what, he made the right call.

By jfergNCdawg

December 4, 2008 2:47 PM | Link to this

Does anyone have an injury update on Sturdivant, Owens, Figgins, Washington, others?

Chip, do you have any inside knowledge of players leaning towards leaping to NFL and players leaning towards staying?

Lastly….will we practice tackling to the ground from now on? What were we doing before, pulling flags?

By gdawginkalamazoo

December 4, 2008 2:49 PM | Link to this

Huh???

Also how much longer do we have to hear great coach/great man me personally would rather have great coach/big ahole like Nick Saban/Urban Meyer

I believe that Bama and Florida are still taking applications for fans. Go sign up.

After the previous 20+ years prior to coach Richt I will take the last 8 and be happy and proud of it. True he has some tough decisions to make. He is a winner plain and simple. He learned from one of the best while at FSU. He knows what it takes to get there. Let the man do his job. It is his job not the fans.

By Difference in Georgia/Florida

December 4, 2008 2:53 PM | Link to this

Whatever Mort or Mork go back to your planet. Alabama, Florida twice, Tennesse, LSU once all have National Championships in the last 15 years however Georgia zero in fact Georgia Tech had a National Championship in 1990 if you are not in it to win it then something is wrong with you..Dont you want to be #1 win it all be the best in the business….9-3 10-2 and even 11-1 is great awesome especially compared to Donnan/Goff however not great against Meyer/Saban/Miles/Fulmer. WHY NOT US??? What the matter with wanting perfection is that a problem?

By bb's

December 4, 2008 2:56 PM | Link to this

Dean, I am well aware of the record. The fact is that Chan Gailey had no discipline. After all, he started Reggie Ball for four years, much to your delight. UGA has had no discipline since you stormed the field at Florida after the TD last year. It’s hard to put the feathers back in the pillow after the fight is over. CMR spends more time getting lawyers for his players than he does coaching them, and once again, he learned that from Bobby Bowden. I think I like our chances over the next few years. I hear how banged up UGA was, but we started 16 freshman and sophomores, and only 3 seniors. It’s going to be fun to watch. And by the way. I probably am smarter than you are. 45-42.

By Whats the problem?

December 4, 2008 2:58 PM | Link to this

Thanks Kalamazoo but I am going to pull for the Dawgs however I am also going to point out the obvous. WHAT EXACTLY IS WRONG WITH EXPECTING PERFECTION? Doesnt your boss expect your best if not you will be replaced. It is not realistic to win a NC every year obviously but every 30 years should be attainable dont you think?

By gdawg 84

December 4, 2008 3:03 PM | Link to this

bb’s- I was at the game and arrived in my seat 12 minutes before the start. I saw Tech’s players come on the field as well as UGA’s. I did not notice the charging of the dogs toward the Tech players.

Seems like we would’ve noticed this. Can you elaborate?

By Big Fat Know It All

December 4, 2008 3:11 PM | Link to this

Yeah, that’s it. The problem is with media not being holding Richt accountable. Let’s get a beat writer that’s going to be over critical and make it where not only Richt will want to leave, but no quality coach will ever want to coach here so we can win 2-3 games year. That would be a really smart move.

By murfdawg

December 4, 2008 3:12 PM | Link to this

Note to HUH??? Where were you last year,huh? Bama was 7-6 with a loss to LaMo and a victory in the Ind bowl in Shreveport.No one and I repeat no one including Saban thought Bama would go 12-0. Give them credit for having a great year.

The mighty Gators were 9-4 with a loss to Michigan in the outback bowl. They lost to Ole Miss at home in the Swamp this year but ended up 11-1, and a great year for them.

UGA was 11-2 last year with wins over Bama, Fla, AU, and GT and a Sugar Bowl win. yes we lost three games this year to teams that had exceptional years.My point to you is this. Not every year is going to be a great year. If losing to two top five teams and going 9-3 is a bad year, Then I’ll take it. I have been a Dawg fan for over 40 years. I have enjoyed the last 7 a lot more than the previous 10.

I hope you can enjoy the next 40 years of UGA football.

By footballwatcher

December 4, 2008 3:14 PM | Link to this

I am LMAO at the dog fans on this blog who act as if they should have gone undefeated this year and won the BCS title and SEC. Early in the year (after Bama beat down)the excuse was their “brutal schedule”…that turned out to be a joke..they lost to the 3 good teams they played and didn’t beat anyone who turned out to be top 25. The reason they have 9 wins is because they played 9 weak to mediocre teams. Now, most of the dog bloggers here want to blame the losses on “poor coaching”. Did I miss something, or did anyone point out that the dogs really didn’t have the player talent to match up with the teams they lost to? IMO, dog fans end up frustrated every year because they continue to drink the kool-aid put out by “recruiting” services. According to these guys, every year, the dogs sign a whole class of 4 and 5 star recruits…and yet, what happens to all of this talent? Why doesn’t it translate into wins? You guys say poor coaching, but I say the reality is that a lot of these players were simply overrated by a recruiting service, and you bought it. Looks to me like the recruiting services are a little carried away with the SEC (which proved to be overrated again), and if they see a program such as FL, AL, LSU, GA offer some kid, they make the player a 4 star or 5 star, based on who offered. Conversely, since they denigrate the ACC, if a kid gets offers from ACC teams the “services” rate them a 3 star. Therefore, every year you see teams from the SEC (such as uga, sc, au, tn) saddled with high expectations based on the “talent” they recruited, but the talent doesn’t result in wins so the coaches have to go. I would suggest to dog fans who wish to avoid all of this frustration every year, pay no attention to the “ranking” of your recruiting class…just wait to see if they can actually perform on the field.

By bb's

December 4, 2008 3:17 PM | Link to this

gdawg 84, I do not know the exact time, but I pointed out to my Georgia buddy who took me to the game what was happening. The Tech players stopped at the 35, and Georgia players slowly moved toward them. I’m certain that there was mouthing by both sides. I’m not that biased. But the UGA coaches and all of the game officials could not keep their players from moving toward Tech. It was not “charging” but they would not stop. By the time they were separated, all of the players from both teams were 10-15 yards from midfield. It was simply one more example of the difference in discipline. I am not a CMR fan, because of that lack of discipline. Again, I hated Gailey being there for the same reason. He had no control. Reggie Ball mad 6 good plays in a 4 year career, and talked trash after all of them. That is stupid, and as I have watched the replay on CSS, I have seen 10 UGA players talking smack while they were losing. That is lack of discipline.

By Big Fat Know It All

December 4, 2008 3:18 PM | Link to this

bb,

If you’re so smart, then you can probably answer tthis question. Why exactly are you here?

By bb's

December 4, 2008 3:29 PM | Link to this

BFKIA, Have you ever been on a Tech blog? Can’t get a word in edge wise for the uneducated dawgs trying desperately to put together a sentence. Thought pay back would be fun.45-42

By Big Fat Know It All

December 4, 2008 3:32 PM | Link to this

First of all, recruiting is never an exact science and talent alone will not win one single game if the the players don’t play as a unit. Saying that players are rated where they because certain schools are looking at them is totally false. In today’s world of recruiting, these kids are usually being looked at by recruiting gurus well before they colleges have even began to look at them. It is true that the SEC this year was not as tough as past years, but to say that the SEC is over rated every year is completely insane. Look up past records and you will see how totally off base that comment really is. It is really off base and is probably one of the most ill informed statements I have read. I’m sure that’s why the SEC has more players in the NFL than other conference and why Georgia is also one of the tops as well. I’m sure they buy into this SEC “hype” too. Dream On.

By Dawg Fud

December 4, 2008 3:39 PM | Link to this

jdawg

i never said senior leadership was a main reason, only a contributing factor. traditonally we have had senior leaders on defense and those defenses have been quite good. there may be a correlation, that’s all.

you’re correct - UF does not have many seniors that play on the defensive side of the ball. however, charlie strong is the best DC in the conference and could be a head coach somewhere. i think we both can agree that he has more talent to work with. losing omar hunter to the Gators did not help, either.

i would not call myself a homer. i try to be objective. like right now, for example, i am being objective and not critiquing your reading comprehension skills.

By atl xmen

December 4, 2008 3:40 PM | Link to this

ok bug killer lets see your resume’ and if you can match this or find someone better, then please let us know. i just don’t see too many DC out there or on this blog , that can match this.

During his seven years at UGA, he has been part of a staff that has led Georgia to 72 victories, two championships, three SEC Eastern Division titles, five bowl victories, and five top ten finishes in the final national polls including No. 2 in 2007. Martinez’ 2006 Georgia defense ranked 8th nationally in total defense, 5th in pass defense and 1st in the SEC in third down efficiency. His 2005 defense finished 8th in the country in scoring defense (16.4 ppg). He was also an integral part of the 2003 SEC Eastern Division Champion Bulldog defense that finished 2nd nationally in Scoring Defense (14.5 ppg), 4th in Total Defense (276.86 ypg), 6th in Passing Defense (174.50 ypg, 1st in the SEC), 14th nationally in Turnover Margin (+.79), and 4th in number of scoreless quarters (25) among the AP’s final Top Ten teams. He was also part of the 2002 Bulldog defense that finished first in the SEC and fourth nationally in scoring defense (15.1 ppg), first in the SEC in Red Zone Defense (58.8%), second in the SEC in Rushing Defense (114.0 ypg), and allowed only 31 second half points in the final seven games of the season.

He has a history of producing NFL defensive backs. Over the past five years, nine of his players have been selected in the NFL draft including all three senior starters in 2005 — All-SEC CB Tim Jennings (2nd, Indianapolis), All-America FS Greg Blue (5th, Minnesota), and All-SEC CB DeMario Minter (5th, Cleveland). Previous Bulldog defensive backs chosen include All-America safety Thomas Davis (1st, Carolina, ‘05), All-America safety Sean Jones (2nd, Cleveland, ‘04), CB Bruce Thornton (4th, Dallas, ‘04), S Terreal Bierria (4th, Seattle, ‘02), S Jermaine Phillips (5th, Tampa Bay, ‘02), and CB Tim Wansley (7th, Tampa Bay, ‘02).

In 2000, Central Michigan led the nation in pass defense (149.7 yds/g) and senior safety Brian Leigeb led the Mid-American Conference (MAC) in tackles and was 3rd nationally with 13.36 per game.

Prior to joining the Central Michigan staff in 1998, he served as defensive backs coach at Eastern Michigan (1997) and as defensive coordinator at Central Florida in 1995-96. He also coached at Central Michigan in 1994 when the Chippewas won the MAC championship.

Martinez was a defensive back on Miami’s 1983 national championship team and played in the 1985 Fiesta Bowl and the 1984 Orange Bowl. He also was a graduate assistant at Miami from 1985-86, coaching in the Sugar and Fiesta bowls.

He then served as an assistant for the 1988 season at Bethune-Cookman and was a high school coach at Boca Raton (1989-90) and Olympic Heights (1991). Martinez then joined the Grand Valley State University coaching staff as the defensive coordinator for the 1992-93 seasons.

By Clay

December 4, 2008 3:50 PM | Link to this

It is only fitting that Mark Richt becomes the Dean of SEC coaches. He is a great coach and he is by far the classiest coach in the SEC and possibly the entire nation. We at UGA look forward to Richt coaching at UGA until his retirement in about 20 years or more.

By Mort Merkel

December 4, 2008 3:53 PM | Link to this

What’s wrong with expecting perfection? Um, it’s insane. How’s that for a reason? People aren’t perfect and expecting perfection from them is simply insane. Any undefeated season is a miracle of happenstance. Achieving perfection and/or a national championship is an amazing achievement. Though it hasn’t happened – yet – Richt has put Georgia into a position where its chances of winning it all in any given year are far better than most. He has built Georgia into one of the 10 best programs in the country. Now, again, anyone who wants to complain about that should simply stfu and gfy.

By Mobile Dawg

December 4, 2008 3:59 PM | Link to this

Alt, I honestly don’t know whether Willie is up to it or not, Richt will make that call, be accountable, and time will tell since it looks like Willie stays. Regardless of whether he stays or goes we need some “changes” to our programs fractured foundation emphasizing discipline and fundamentals, aka, “Saban’s Process” as well as consequences for failure. This should result in “needed improvement” in the mental and physical part of every phase of our game.

I can identify specific series in the Bama and Florida games where the tide turned and we just couldn’t recover. The beginning of the 3rd quarter doomed us against Tech.

By DawgByte

December 4, 2008 4:00 PM | Link to this

BugKiller

Dude get a grip! We are 9-3 and Richt is the 4th most winning coach in NCAA div. 1 football. I don’t know what pie in the sky fantasy world you live in, but UGA is not going to win the MNC every year, nor are we going to win the SEC Championship every year, or even 11 games every year. Pull your diapers back on and take a look at some of the situations other programs are going through. How would like to be a Miami fan, or perhaps Michigan, possibly FSU, hmmmmm how about Notre Dame, Clemson, Auburn, UT and the list goes on. All of these are considered high powered football programs that have found themselves in a giant black hole. UGA under Richt has been consistently ranked in both the Top 25 and Top 10. Our road record is unbelievably good. Wake-up and stop squashing bugs for a living.

The defense needs improvement and yes Martinez has been frustratingly inconsistent as a DC, but look at what he’s had to work with in 2008 and maybe you can find a way to cut him some slack. You don’t lose an All American type DT in Jeff Owens and expect the same output and performance. We also lost Marcus Washington, Quintan Banks, Ellerbe for a spell, Weston for 3 games etc. There’s no excuse for fundamental tackling problems and all the penalties. I’m convinced Richt and Martinez will address them in the offseason.

If Georgia’s doesn’t significantly improve in 2009 and we end the season 6-6, then it will be time to start the firing talk. The fact is we’re 9-3 and a pick six by Stafford away from 10-2. All the teams I mentioned above would give their left nut for our record and the opportunity to play on New Years Day.

By Mobile Dawg

December 4, 2008 4:08 PM | Link to this

Very impressive atl xmen, now explain what happened in 2008 in as much detail. One could argue that Van Gorders team had not forgotten what he had taught them in 2006, the defense has deteriorated since Van Gorder left period. They started regaining some identity last year but lost all semblance of that this year.

By Mobile Dawg

December 4, 2008 4:15 PM | Link to this

My mistake on 2006, xmen, should have read 2004 when BVG left. Seriously I was impressed with your biography of WM and wanted your opinion as to why all the breakdowns in 08….

By Hold Up

December 4, 2008 4:22 PM | Link to this

How about we give them a year and see if they can fix it, before we start freaking out? How’s that sound? I thought we were better than Auburn and Tennessee, in that we know this is an abberation and we’re gonna be alright. I promise.

By atl xmen

December 4, 2008 4:25 PM | Link to this

pretty simple. injuries on the d-line and youth. these guys will get better just take a chill pill. fla lost 4 games last year one being to mich….now look at them a year later. most likely playing for a NC. fla and ala off-line are more experienced even their d-line. our guys next year will be better and more experienced next year combine that with our great coaches and skill players then UGA too could be playing for a NC. again can someone please tell me who has a better resume’ than WM right now that is in the SEC .

By Mobile Dawg

December 4, 2008 4:25 PM | Link to this

atl-xmen, I previously blogged a correction to the 2006 typo, should be 2004 but it never posted. I also commended you on the WM bio, just wanted your opinion of what went wrong in 2008.

By John

December 4, 2008 4:37 PM | Link to this

All of you who are complaining - I hear ole Ray is tired of cooking chicken at Zaxbys, and ole Jim might be tired of sitting on his butt at ESP - maybe those horrible to mediocre teams would be better for ya’ll, hmmmm??? I’m disappointed too. Heck, we ALL are. But xmen and some others are right - give it another year. Richt said it himself, they messed up with lack of tackligndrills, which I agree is lack of disciplien and fundamentals, which is bad coaching. There is no doubt CWM is to blame, but I would say so was the offense the first part of the year, and ESP at the UF game - you try defending UF’s offense on your side of 50 more times than I care to remember? Calm down. You are NOT football coaches, and I doubt many have ever played at any level. Study the game, awesome, get knowledgeable great, question the coaches, of course - but how about you not act like spolied little kids who didnt get what they wanted for Christmas all the time. Wait another year, if it is the same, change will come one way or the other. If it is better, though, I don’t want to see any of ya’ll on here singing CWM’s praises. And for those who want RICHT fired….that is just too dumb to warrant comment.

By Big Fat Know It All

December 4, 2008 4:37 PM | Link to this

bb,

So you just admitted to being as dumb as some of the Dawg fans who also like morons on the Tech blogs, who by the way, I am very aware of? Classic!

By AltamahaDawg

December 4, 2008 5:00 PM | Link to this

Nick Saban is an excellent coach. I would think Coach Richt could learn a thing of two from him since he has been a head coach a decade longer.

He also has the school record holding senior Qb, and if I recall, 19 out of the 22 starter are upper classmen. As pointed out almost nonexistant injuries.

His “process” could nto have overcome the same injuries as we had. No way he wins those close games with several pieces of the puzzle missing.

By G8TR

December 4, 2008 5:12 PM | Link to this

More UGA propaganda from the AJC’s “sports journalists.” UGA has “tied for” or won four SEC East titles? Get serious. No one touts a division title out loud unless they end up playing in the SECCG. All this really does is remind every one of the times UGA backed into the title game w/o beating UF.

This is kind of like how the AJC goes out of its way to tout Richt’s “road” record against foes in “opposing teams’ stadiums” — conveniently discounting his annual losses to UF in Jacksonville, “away” from Athens.

Try treating your readers like people who may follow other programs. We’re a city of 5+ million people, some who follow programs that can actually beat ACC teams. Remind the “dean” about that.

By AltamahaDawg

December 4, 2008 5:21 PM | Link to this

g8tr, you team is playing for the SEC in 2 days and you are more worried about the UGA coaches record. Amazing.

By More of the Same

December 4, 2008 5:34 PM | Link to this

Richt has made his decision then so be it. The fact remains that Willie Martinez is not a great Defensive guru. The defensive stats that seemed to favor Willies Defensive schemes can be deceiving too. Some argue that his defense has been ranked very well in years past. But if you break down the competition through the years based on strength of schedule you will find different results in rankings. Case in point … The South Carolina Gamecocks defense this past year. Their defense was ranked very high nationally and also in the SEC. Funny how the gators just ripped them 56 - 6 and Clemson 31 - 14. So was their defense really that good? ONLY ON PAPER! The fact about Tech was that it fielded the youngest team in the ACC this year and they ran through UGA putting up over 400 yards on the ground and completed only one pass. The other disturbing thing about Tech is, Coach Paul Johnson says he has only implemented 50 % of his offensive package this season. Willie cannot adjust or strategize against opponents well and this is his biggest knock against him. Yes some could blame the players are not tackling well or that UGA is youthful in which was the same excuse before. This is why teams have coaches. I will make a wager with anyone that UGAs defense will continue to allow this pattern of scoring for the next two years while Willie M. is the defensive coordinator. ANY TAKERS???? Sorry Dawg FANS I’m afraid it will be MORE OF THE SAME! Care to WAGER ALTAMAHA DAWG or is that CHILDISH?

By AltamahaDawg

December 4, 2008 5:45 PM | Link to this

No, chidish would be to cut and paste the same post from last night and expect anyone to treat you as a serious person with original thoughts worth debating.

By GAMan

December 4, 2008 5:52 PM | Link to this

What a sorry state college football has become - win at all costs now is the only thing that is important. There is too much money and not enough character in the sport any longer. This is not college athletics any longer — it is simply pro football in training. The SEC is the worst of the bunch.

By More of the Same

December 4, 2008 6:21 PM | Link to this

Alatamaha Dawg…. I just Knew that I had to do something Childish to finally get a response from you. I don’t want a debate! I wont you or any other Willie apologist to step up to the plate with your rose colored glasses and take me up on my wager! If you are wondering what should be the wager, well don’t worry, I do have a very good suggestion that may be agreeable to you and others.

By Mark richt

December 4, 2008 6:29 PM | Link to this

45-42

UGA SUCKS! hahahahahahahahahahahaha

By willie martinez

December 4, 2008 6:38 PM | Link to this

I secretley work for all of UGAs rivals shhhhhhhh…..

By KJ

December 4, 2008 6:55 PM | Link to this

We’re a city of 5+ million people, some who follow programs that can actually beat ACC teams

Yeah, but, the thing is, nobody here gives a sht about you. Go blog in Jorts Weekly, or the Sister Fcking Sentinel, or whatever passes for a newspaper down below the gnat line.

By Crybo Sweeney

December 4, 2008 7:09 PM | Link to this

Ha Ha HA HA….. The dawgies have ended up in the CRAPITAL One Bowl. My Tigers have landed in the Gator Bowl!!!1 A New Years Day Bowl against Nebraska! Just goes to show ya what bigger and better fan support can do!!!!! Yabba DABO DO!!!!!!!!!!!!! ACC RULES!!!!!

By Dogbyte

December 4, 2008 7:23 PM | Link to this

Debates? They have winners and losers. You folks are just blowing wind. Have fun.

By Dogbyte

December 4, 2008 7:28 PM | Link to this

“Crybaby Sweeney”: In this day of BCS bowls, the only time the Gator Bowl has any significance is when the Gators play in it. Sorry.

By CHARLOTTE DAWG

December 4, 2008 7:31 PM | Link to this

Can someone ask Roswell Ed about how he feels about the Auburn football program now?

Where is he? He used to come around so often?

Roswell Ed, come out, come out wherever you are!!!!!!!!!!

By Vin Stooley

December 4, 2008 7:51 PM | Link to this

Richt had better start producing or he is toast.

By War Eagle

December 4, 2008 7:51 PM | Link to this

BuLLDawg, you are a complete frickin MORON , go back to your McDonald job and learn some knowledge and manners. TONY, YOU SHOULD BARTHIS CAPSULE FROM YOUR BLOG, NO CLASS….GET A LIFE DRAGNET

By Dogbyte

December 4, 2008 8:08 PM | Link to this

Mr. War Eagle: What time, or date, did this “BuLLDawg post something with which you take such umbrage. Inquiring minds want to know. No, not really.

By AltamahaDawg

December 4, 2008 8:10 PM | Link to this

I tell you what I would wager on…… you and Coach Richt sitting down and having this debate……take that back, not wager…..I’d PAY to see that.

As far as you wanting to bet against the Dawgs for 2 years, knock yourself out.

By AltamahaDawg

December 4, 2008 8:13 PM | Link to this

Tony, get in here!

By Dogbyte

December 4, 2008 8:24 PM | Link to this

Is that Tony Soprano? Fergedaboutit!

By G8TR

December 4, 2008 8:25 PM | Link to this

AltamahaDawg: No worries about your coach. In fact, we’re his biggest fans. The longer he sticks around UGA, the more we maintain order in the SEC East. Just like Goff and Donnan before him.

As for what we read two days before our title game, the UGA Blog is for laughs in between taking in all the SEC CG coverage of UF and ALA elsewhere on AJC.com and around the nation. Maybe you all will come up with a big Hawaii victory again that will put your progam in line to be pre-season No. 1 again. That or just keep on watching your 1980 highlight reels.

By kw

December 4, 2008 8:41 PM | Link to this

Theres a big difference in coaching and baby sitting 4 and 5 star recruits. There arent to many coaches in DIV 1 that couldnt be as successful with that much talent. Its true, look it up. UGA has had as much talent as anyone in the nation over the last 15 years and no NC. Look back at the NC winners over that period of time, year for year, position by position UGA has had as good or better just about every time. Richt was successful at FSU for a period of time only when they were THE most talent filled team in the nation. Richt is a joke, he just got out coached by a high school coach fielding a team of 2, 3, and 4 star recruits. There wasnt a single 5 star recruit on that GT team that out played them last saturday. Whats even worse, he nearly, 5 out of the last 7 games got outplayed and out coached by Ball and Gailey!! Think about it…………

By The Big Bug

December 4, 2008 8:55 PM | Link to this

GA is not a NC calibre team, never has been, never will be. They simply had one NC calibre back.. H.Walker. What they do have is wildly delusional fans. 6-6 next year…no bowl. Two more straight losses to Tech…Richt fired. I would hate to be a GA commitment now. The ACC dominates now in both sports. Tech is on the way to setting a new streak record.Tech on the way up…GA on the way down.

By Georgia Over Rated

December 4, 2008 9:38 PM | Link to this

If Richt is such a great coach why can’t he make it to the big dance? He always choke.

By BE#3

December 4, 2008 9:41 PM | Link to this

Big bug is on a mighty big drug.

Marcus Washington should be back for next year and will fill the hole at MLB. He’s a beast of a LB.

R. Jones sent his paperwork into the NFL to get an eval on his draft prospectus. He says he’s coming back though.

Why not promote R. Garner to DC or co-DC?

I might question Fabris’ loyalty. Wasn’t too long ago he was considering taking a job out at Oklahoma.

Richt is obviously aware of the defensive issues and disciplinary problems. Let’s give the guy a chance to handle things internally and see if we notice a difference next season. If he cannot correct things, then Damon Evans will have to take the situation into his hands.

By MVP

December 4, 2008 9:44 PM | Link to this

Who said Richt was “the Dean coach” of the SEC?

By Zeb

December 4, 2008 9:44 PM | Link to this

Alt, obviously G8TR forgot that he lost to Ole Miss. Yeah, we kinda sucked this year, but you gator fans kill me. Alt, a few fla fans could be classy if they wanted to………but most don’t…..I guess kinda like us. Too arrogant. I, for one, as bad as I hate to say it, respect the work the gators have done. Also as bad as I hate to say it, I hate what bama has done. Bama folks have been so quiet for a few years now…….but dam….they are definitely comin out now. And rightly so.

Let’s see……..I like the bama team….hate the fans……….I hate the fla team…………and also hate the fans………..dam…..what a dilema.

I guess I’mm gonna have to pull for bama to win but I thnik fla is gonna kick the sh!t outta them. Fla’s offense is almost unstoppable……….dam……that was hard to say but I just call it like I see it.

Oh well, I’ll watch the game even though the outcome will not affect my slowly dying 401K.

Maybe Obama is a Fla fan and will pass a law thru congress if they win that will only tax the evil middle class.

Sorry, disregard that last comment

By KJ

December 4, 2008 9:51 PM | Link to this

The ACC dominates now in both sports

LOL, so one 3 point win in 8 years equals domination, huh?

What they do have is wildly delusional fans

Irony… thy name is NATS fan.

By stings to lose

December 4, 2008 9:52 PM | Link to this

Dogs upgrade D to stop run. Johnson passes next year. Dogs then change D to stop pass, etc etc

ps BuLL knows little.

By murfdawg

December 4, 2008 10:54 PM | Link to this

ZEB,

I feel your pain!! We can always hope another tornado hits the dome right after kick-off and they have to cancel the game.

Didn’t GT used to be the “Golden Tornado”? Somebody wake up RAMBLE ON and get an answer.

By G8TR

December 5, 2008 12:15 AM | Link to this

KJ - “Down below the gnat line.” Is that where UGA forgets how to play football? Wait, sorry. Jacksonville is not a “road” game for Richt. That doesn’t count on his incredible record “against teams in opposing stadiums” or whatever you use to avoid remembering your humbling down below the gnat line.

Timeout.

By uga-brave

December 5, 2008 2:59 AM | Link to this

keep drinking richt’s kool aid.

best offense in the sec. worst defense.

when we look back, stacy searles did one of the best jobs in coaching history.

staff, moreno, green, and momass, will be the best talent set we ever had.

litlle willie by himself ruined this season.

richt at the end of day is heading down a scary road.

he wont see it until it is too late.

this team has taken on his personality.

so next year when the defense is still soft, what will he do?

question? if callaway was not offered the uab job would he still be here?

do any of you think that searles is not supperior to callaway?

richt would of not fired callaway, we got lucky.

martinez by himself is undermining, richt’s tenure.

LITTLE WILLIE.

good luck mark, you have been GREAT.

YOU at some point have to put your loyaty to the university above your friendship.

By ............................................BuLLdawg

December 5, 2008 4:06 AM | Link to this

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It’s not just the five (5) teams who are not ranked that Tuberville Lost to this season, less we act like we have forgotten the legacy of Losing to unranked teams that indeed Tuberville had at Auburn.

2008 Lost to BCS No. 60 Arkansas.

2008 Lost to BCS No. 52 Vandie.

2008 Lost to BCS No. 39 LSU.

2008 Lost to BCS No. 37 West Virginia.

2008 Lost to BCS No. 27 Ole Miss.

2007 Lost to not Top 25 Final AP Poll South Florida.

2007 Lost to not Top 25 Final AP Poll Mississippi State.

2005 Lost to not Top 25 Final AP Poll Georgia Tech.

2003 Lost to not Top 25 Final AP Poll Georgia Tech.

2002 Lost to not Top 25 Final AP Poll Arkansas.

2002 Lost to not Top 25 Final AP Poll Florida.

2001 Lost to not Top 25 Final AP Poll Arkansas.

2001 Lost to not Top 25 Final AP Poll Alabama.

2001 Lost to not Top 25 Final AP Poll North Carolina.

That is fourteen teams Tommy Tuberville Lost to starting 2001, not a single solitary 1 of which was ranked in the Final AP Poll Top 25 teams.

Tubs beat some teams, but he wasn’t fired for beating teams.

Tubs was fired for Losing to fourteen (14) teams the last eight (8) years, none of which were Final AP Poll Top 25 teams.

By ............................................BuLLdawg

December 5, 2008 4:07 AM | Link to this

Beating Idaho, Central Florida, Wyoming, Northern Illinois, Louisiana Tech, Ball State, Louisiana Tech again, Appalachian State, Syracuse, UL Monroe, Western Kentucky, UL Monroe again, UL Monroe a third time, the Citadel (Is any of this coming back to you now?), Louisiana Tech a third time, Ball State again, Western Kentucky again, Washington State, Buffalo, Tulane, Arkansas State, Kansas State, New Mexico State, Tennessee Tech, UL Monroe a fourth time, Southern Miss, and Tennessee Martin - just doesn’t sound like that good a record out-of-conference sir by anyone’s measure but yours alone.

Not when he LOST to 14 not Final AP Poll Top 25 teams the last 8 years.

Tuberville had easy schedules, yet he Lost to 14 not Top 25 Final AP Poll teams. Deadly combination and ultimately why he is no longer there.

LSU Lost to Ole Miss and Arkansas neither of which are BCS Top 25 teams today, but that is not 5 losses to unranked teams and anyway, Tubs Lost to LSU. Last season, LSU Lost to Arkansas and Kentucky neither who made the Final AP Poll, but 4 Losses in the last 2 years to unranked Final AP Poll Top 25 teams is not 7 like Tubs did. 2006 LSU lost to no unranked teams. 2005 the vols were the only unranked team to beat LSU. 2004 LSU lost to no non Top 25 team. 2003 LSU Lost to no non Top 25 team. 2002 LSU Lost to Arkansas who did not make the Final AP Poll Top 25. 2001 only Ole Miss not in the Final AP Poll beat LSU.

So, going back to 2001 LSU has Lost to a grand total of seven (7) teams who were not Final AP Poll Top 25 teams.

Tubs Lost to 14.

Are LSU’s 7 Losses to non-Top 25 Final AP Poll teams the last 8 years the worst team besides Tommy Tuberville at Auburn since 2001 who Lost 14 games against teams not in the Final AP Poll Top 25 ?

Excuse me for answering, Tubs was twice as bad as LSU the last 8 years losing to unranked teams. Is that what you want me to tell you, or you can’t look it up yourself ?

My point is valid, using your best shot you should have looked up yourself instead of insinuating that you know that LSU has done more poorly even than Tuberville the last 8 years Losing 14 games to non-Top 25 Final AP Poll teams.

Tuberville played easy schedules and Lost to 14 teams not ranked in the Final AP Polls the last 8 years.

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By red@black

December 5, 2008 7:08 AM | Link to this

Don’t go West, young men! We’d been much more prepared for that Bama game, if we hadn’t traveled to AZ. Remember Tennessee was a Top contender, until they started scheduling games out West? It ruined them. Florida doesn’t go there. FLA put Citadel on their schedule. Damien Evans should take note…he tired out our team with all the travel on this ‘08 schedule I’d rather drop a game than go out west. Let the other UGA sports bring some cash. We don’t need a bigger stadium. We need the best team possible. I missed Sanford stadium this year and I’m dead tired,too from all the travel.

By AltamahaDawg

December 5, 2008 7:14 AM | Link to this

Could you look more silly talking somebody that isn’t in the room? If you are trying to speak to Mark Richt I’m pretty sure he has an address in Athens. Only a chickin turd would spend thier day addressing him behind his back. Write the man. You’re just looking stupid at this point.

By KJ

December 5, 2008 11:40 AM | Link to this

KJ - “Down below the gnat line.” Is that where UGA forgets how to play football?

My bad, you’ve confused me with someone who gives a sht about you or your retarded insecure fanbase. Good to see that you’ve got the biggest game of the year coming up tomorrow, and you’re still obsessed with UGA.

Again, Delta (probably more like Greyhound, for you) is ready when you are.

By THE…..OHIO…..State…..Buckeyes

December 5, 2008 8:25 PM | Link to this

1. LOL. Guess whose playing in a $17 million BCS Bowl and whose playing in a $2 million Bowl?

2. LOL. Guess whose playing either Oklahoma or Texas and whose playing Michigan State?

3. LOL. Guess how many yards Michigan State will rush for against the georgia bulldogs mighty defense? LOL. The preseason number one pick in the NCAA because it returned all but one starter. LOL.

4. LOL. Guess how many yards Michigan State will pass for against the georgia bulldogs mighty defense? LOL. The preseason number one pick in the NCAA because it returned all but one starter. LOL.

5. LOL. Guess who told you all this was going to come to fruition on Labor Day Weekend (and every other week thereafter)?

6. LOL. I hope you people can hear me, NOW!

7. THE…..OHIO…..State…..Buckeyes…..own the SEC and the georgia bulldogs in particular.

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