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By harleydawg

July 29, 2008 1:47 AM | Link to this

tough call on on new guys chip, ben jones is gonna be a bear, i feel a 3 time all american, and samuel should be awesome when he ages considering how good at 17,holly smoke, that he may be third string, now brandon miller was a total bust to me, he was a 5 star and finally showed up against haiwai,and he probably will make the falcons they are such a weak teamn what a joke

By innocent bystander

July 29, 2008 3:44 AM | Link to this

You should have rated Dannell Ellerbe a star. And I hope you will upgrade Kenneth Harris by the end of this season. It’s not always fair to make the judgment before the collegiate career is finished.Auburn’s quarterback during their last (Probation marred) undefeated season (was his name Jason Campbell? can’t remember) was unreliable until his senior year. When they went 11-0 he was perfect.

By reality check

July 29, 2008 6:31 AM | Link to this

I totally agree with your premise, but to be fair Jamar Bryant and Jamar Chaney are both having excellent college careers. They aren’t busts, they just weren’t admitted to Georgia.

In that same vein, Georgia has had highly rated classes, but when you consider all the players who didn’t get into school in Richt’s first 5 years the classes were only average. The difference now is we are not taking academic risks often and the overall quality of the classes is increasing because more guys are getting in and actually playing.

By NCDawg

July 29, 2008 7:57 AM | Link to this

It’s always a roll of the dice, just like life.

By Andy in Ohio

July 29, 2008 8:08 AM | Link to this

Only one I feel safe putting a bet on would be AJ Green. Richard Samuel is a possibility with his talent, but it’s hard to know how much playing time he’ll get with King and Moreno ahead of him for a few years. Plus, we’ve all seen highly touted running backs come in that don’t have the “play-making” ability that Moreno has (and King seems to have). A lot of them have natural ability, but they don’t have that ability. It’s hard to make a call on any of these kids until they’ve played some games.

Since you’ve brought this up, I know we’re discussing Georgia, but I’m up here in Buckeye country unfortunately and work with a lot of Buckeye fans. I keep talking to them about how I have a feeling Pryor is going to be a bust with all the hype that is on him. Supposedly he’s the best QB ever, he’s the complete package. The quarterback that can scramble as well as drop back and throw it. That remains to be seen, but I have a feeling he’ll be a bust.

By gooberdawg

July 29, 2008 9:10 AM | Link to this

Dont matter cuz we wuz recrootin champs.

By Coach Richt

July 29, 2008 9:16 AM | Link to this

It is a very athletic class this year, especially in the defensive backfield. Boykin will be a 3 year starter in the mold of Asher Allen, Demario Minter and Tim Wansley. Commings, Rambo, and Williams all have a lot of tools as they were quarterbacks and came on late their high school careers. I think Williams is a steal and will eventually turn a lot of heads. Dowtin has a high motor and tireless work ethic. Cordy Glenn will see time immediately as will Ben Jones, A.J. Green, Tavarres King, Carlton Thomas and Richard Samuel. DeAngelo Tyson, A.J. Harmon and possibly Cornelius Washington could also fit into this category. Blair Walsh will be the starter from day 1. Expect the rest to redshirt. That is all.

By Native Atlantan

July 29, 2008 9:21 AM | Link to this

Stars will be Cordy Glenn, Ben Jones, AJ Green, Richard Samuel (wherever he plays) and Cornelius Washington.

Bust may end up being AJ Harmon because he probably won’t play his best position of OL since he wants to play DT. One or two of the DB’s will be busts because they usually are. Also one OL will probably be a bust.

By wendell

July 29, 2008 9:21 AM | Link to this

who cares, it would mean more if one would wait until a player finishes their career,or making a mark somewhere else.

chip and mr. moore have to be the bottom of the barrel at ajc.,

By Stevedez

July 29, 2008 9:24 AM | Link to this

Bust or not these guys contribute day in and day out. I don’t think Joe Cox has ever lost a football game in College or High School, what a bust?

By Coach Richt

July 29, 2008 9:32 AM | Link to this

By the way Chip, we like to have something called competition at every position here at UGA. A handful of players you labeled “busts” pushed someone to be good you can bet on that.

By Traceman

July 29, 2008 9:48 AM | Link to this

Don’t be surprised to see Tavarres King end up being the best receiver out of this class. A.J. Green is great but Tavarres was VERY underrated by the national media. The kid has it all - he just needs to put on a few more pounds. If you’ve ever seen his dad (former Clemson TE Anthony King) you would know that it is just a matter of time before he puts on some weight. Still, even without the weight, he is going to be one heck of a player.

By dawgman

July 29, 2008 9:49 AM | Link to this

AJ Bryant and Brandon Miller were two of the biggest busts since Jasper Sanks.

Baldwin and Dewberry are headed that way.

This year, CJ Byrd and Kenneth Harris will be elevated to stardom.

Kade Weston and Ellerbe are stars, imo.

By Dog44

July 29, 2008 10:05 AM | Link to this

If I had to bet on one to be a star, I’d bet on Ben Jones.

I also have a good feeling about T. King (as Traceman does as well), and I hope that A.J. Green will be even better… but we’ll see. I still have memories of Fred Gibson in my head…

There’s a bunch of others with great potential, but Chip is right… odds are there will be some disappointing surprises.

By CHARLOTTE DAWG

July 29, 2008 10:20 AM | Link to this

If you watch film on Carlton Thomas, I’m more impressed with him than Samual and Jackson. It wouldn’t surprise me if he was a starter by his Senior year.

A.J Bryant was always hurt. It happens. So that’s not fair.

And Joe Cox will help us win a game this year. Bet on it.

And is anybody talking about Israel Troupe? He seems to be buried on the depth chart. Might not be a good sign with all the hype he came in with.

By Bob Sacamano

July 29, 2008 10:29 AM | Link to this

Hey everybody. I just wanted to apologize for putting that link to my blog up. My blog is such garbage that no one will read it, unless I post links to it all over the internet. And then only 30 people have looked at my blog. Im such a delusional, bandwagon ugay fan that even I feel sorry for myself. I am really a 33 yr old virgin, living in my parent’s basement, where I write my garbage blog on a 4th tier sports website. When I use to have a job, I made a wopping $37,000 a year. Thats higher than the average coming out of ugay, and I was very happy about it. Just so you know, its $50,000 coming out of GT…so although we have a full bandwagon, its full of meth-trailers and white trash. I was fired from my job for masturbating at work, and so now I live in my parent’s basement, where I can blog and beat-off all day long. Don’t feel too bad for me though. I have my delusions of grandeur, and believe that my blog is funny, important, and actually read by thousands of mutt fans. I am currently thinking about blowing my brains out with my dads .38, because I really am such a HUGE loser. Go Dawgs!

By RandallPinkFloyd

July 29, 2008 10:32 AM | Link to this

I feel its very insensitive to label DB Antavious Coates a “bust”. The kid has never been able to play because he’s torn 3 ACLs while busting his behind for the University of Georgia football team. He was declared medically inelgible after the third torn ACL. If you’ve ever heard Coach Richt talk about him, he has nothing but GREAT things to say about him. Says he has such a huge heart and that it was so hard to see him try so hard every year only to be injure himself every year. The young man tried so hard to play football, but his body just never cooperated. He was given a small role as a coach last year and will help DBs with their technique. So, maybe you should take players like him off your list there, Chip. I’d like to see you call him a bust in front of the coaching staff or the team doctors.

By Token Gringo

July 29, 2008 10:41 AM | Link to this

All speculation which makes for good discussion. This is where the fun starts. The guys now have to live up to the recruiting hype and more importantly adapt to the college game. It is a big step and when a true freshman can contribute it is amazing. It especially amazes me on the OL, since each year in the program adds bulk and strength and youth and inexperience is a big disadvantage. So I’d have to say if Ben Jones is going to start, he’s a star. I think Tyson will likely redshirt since we’ve got a pretty deep DL, but he’s one to watch in the future.

By shane #1

July 29, 2008 10:42 AM | Link to this

What cannot be stressed enough is the amount of work it takes to be a starter in div 1 football, or any sport. Nobody on that practice field cares how many stars rivals gives a player, especially not the guys that want His job, and every year some kid enters the program that wants His job. And every kid that enters the program is good. BTW, Chip You dropped the ball on Ellerbe, All SEC is a star player in My book.

By quaildawg

July 29, 2008 10:54 AM | Link to this

Says alot about Title IX and scholarship limitations and the impact that a few key injuries can have on a team. When you take into account the attrition through 4-5 years for a program (no matter who you are) it becomes more evident that freshman are, and will continue to be, expected to contribute early. For all the sanctimonious diatribe from the school Presidents about acclimation for incoming student athletes and emphasis on academics the numbers say that there is no grace period. Hence the elevated numbers for early enrollees and a legitimate call by the Coaches to have an early signing period for FB. BTW-Totally agree with the indictment of the High School “Recruiting Experts”. What a joke these losers are. There should be a rating on these clowns. For every player they rated as a “5 Star” that busts they should have a personal rating that reflects their ineptitude to evaluate any High School player. Theres a new business for someone…a service that rates the recruiting services.

By chc4

July 29, 2008 10:54 AM | Link to this

Chester Adams was a 2 year starter… that’s better than “OK”. A guy doesn’t have to be a 1st round pick to be a very successful college player.

Ellerbe is “OK”?… Isn’t he a 1st team all conference guy?

By Darryl in E. Cobb

July 29, 2008 11:07 AM | Link to this

What you are showing with the two classes you selected to review is why UGA was a young football team with about 15 seniors last year and is a young football team with 14 seniors this year. Those two recruiting classes were subpar and it shows on the field. 2009 should be a great year for UGA with a lot of senior leadership even if Moreno and Stafford leave early for the NFL.

By toccoaboy

July 29, 2008 11:10 AM | Link to this

Everyone has an opinion…. I just hope “harleydawg” is a UGA alum after seeing all the grammatical errors and misspelled words………

By College Fan

July 29, 2008 11:39 AM | Link to this

I think this article is yet another indication of the adverse impact that blogs, vents, sports writers, and fans with character disorders have on college sports.

To call a young man a “bust” who is trying to compete on the field and in the classroom is a shame. Football teaches a lot of lessons in life about competition, winning graciously, losing with dignity, and picking yourself up and trying again after a setback.

These are lessons that bog and vent writers, and AJC sportswriters could proft from.

The lessons many of these young men take from their college football days will help them to compete successfully later in life in their chosen professions.

Remember less than 1% of college football players go on to play professionally.

This article speaks to the jaded views perpetuated by AJC sports writers, not to the worth of 18-22 year old college students.

And don’t get me started on the hacks and has beens that are employed by Atlanta sports radio stations.

By Bob Sacamano

July 29, 2008 11:41 AM | Link to this

Actually, to the Bug Fan posing as me:

I like to blog. I’m a student working two jobs right now. I wish I had a job making that kind of money at any point in my life, and I am sure I will as soon as a graduate, but 37,000 a year would come in handy right now.

Grow up, loser. If you can’t handle a little nose-tweaking or ball busting, then you aren’t much of a man.

Then again, you’re a Bug Fan, so you’re not much of a man anyways.

By DIRTY

July 29, 2008 11:59 AM | Link to this

WHAT A SECOND RATE PAPER. EVEN THE COLLEGE GUYS AREN’T REALLY COLLEGE GUYS. DO YOU WONDER WHY UGA GOT NOTHING OUT OF MICHAEL GRANT? BECAUSE HE WAS NOT IN THE ‘05 CLASS, HE WENT TO ARKANSAS INSTEAD AND WAS ALL-SEC. JUST AN EXAMPLE OF THING YOU WOULD THINK THE COLLEGE FOOTBALL GUY SHOULD KNOW.

By I-DOG

July 29, 2008 12:11 PM | Link to this

Chip:

I agree with the way you classed each player based on only three categories. However, I believe that you need a category between “Star” and “OK” Someone like Kade Weston, Kelin Johnson, Marcus Washington, and CJ Byrd are all very productive players and of course some still have another year to contribute. As you stated, you are not being liberal in your rankings

I disagree strongly with the overall viewpoint that recruiting is pretty much a guessing game. Under Richt, UGA recruits top 10 and sometimes top 5 talent year after year. Surprise surprise! Where is UGA in the AP standings most years? Top 10 and two top five finishes?

tech has not had anywhere near the recruting success that UGA has had this century. Surprise Surprise? tech has NOT finished in the top 10 in the AP poll a single time. They had one strong recruiting year and one good season (by their standards).

The top recruiting teams win the most games. TX, OK, USC, LSU, FL, UGA, Ohio State.

I agree with you that many players don’t pan out at the next level (some on your list never made it into school for UGA and some get injured like Albert Hollis). However, show me a team with consistantly strong recruiting rankings and a good coach and I will show you a team with a lot of wins.

By CKDawg65

July 29, 2008 12:23 PM | Link to this

AJ Green, T King and Ben Jones will be stars along with Tyson and Harmon on the DL. Makiri Pugh and Marcus Dowtin will be the sleepers. I am not sold on Samuel or Jackson at RB based on what I saw in the spring.

By Chip Towers

July 29, 2008 12:28 PM | Link to this

Regarding Ellerbe: I, too, considered him making him a star. But, as I said, I didn’t offer that distinction easily and, in the case of Ellerbe, I don’t think he’s quite deserving. He did not start until last season, his fourth with the team, and then started only 11 of 13. He played great with 93 tackles and certainly is deserving of preseason all-sec status. But that’s preseason. He hasn’t actually starred yet. Like I said, if he has a second big year in a row I’ll definitely bump him up. Chester Adams, good player, not a star… .

College Fan and others critical of my use of the term “busts” and some of the players designated as such, you clearly didn’t understand the premise. The busts are directed at Georgia, not at the individuals, and the distinction was reserved only for those players that the Dogs got nothing out of. In other words, UGA spent all this time and effort and money on recruiting them to come to Athens and they either didn’t show up, couldn’t get in, transferred somewhere else or absolutely didn’t play. I know Blake Barnes well and know him to be a terrific person and a fine student. But he never contributed on the field at all and finally went somewhere else to try to play. He’s not a bust personally but he’s a bust insofar as what the Bulldogs recruited him to do. He didn’t do it… . And while Jamar Chaney and Jamar Bryant may have had fine college careers they didn’t have them at Georgia… . Conversely, I don’t list guys like A.J. Bryant or Brandon Miller as busts because, even though they didn’t live up to the 5-star ratings bestowed upon them by jock-sniffing recruiting “experts,” they played a lot of ball for Georgia. They played, competed, went to class, completed their eligibility and graduated. Good for them, good for Georgia… .

As for the inference that this entire exercise speaks to the jaded views of the modern-day sportswriter, I’d say let’s put on our big-boy pants and talk about it in terms of reality. College football generates billions of dollars. Georgia football produces 80 percent of the athletic association’s $70 million budget. The Bulldogs make a mint selling Knowshon Moreno’s black No. 24 jerseys. The team is given publicity by television, radio, newspapers and dot-coms every day. Players didn’t come to Georgia to be treated like little leaguers and be told, “it’s all OK as long as you try your best” and our readers don’t expect to hear that from us either. Context, perspective, truth. That’s what it’s about for us.

By JMar

July 29, 2008 12:30 PM | Link to this

I’d switch Adams to Star, and Massaquoi to OK - the guy started early and should have been a star, but has seen a lot of the doghouse.

By Georgia Fan

July 29, 2008 12:43 PM | Link to this

To date this year’s seniors have compiled a 30-9 record, averaged 10 wins per season, won an SEC championship, finished #2 in the polls, and played in two BCS bowl games. Chip, your clear implication that Georgia isn’t getting much out of its recruits is neither fair nor accurate.

The negative press that Georgia is getting right now is simply unfathomable. I have never seen anything like it and simply do not understand it.

By Chip Towers

July 29, 2008 12:45 PM | Link to this

DIRTY: What a second-rate reader you are. Clearly you don’t even understand the premise of the exercise. Of course I know about Michael Grant. I wrote the dang stories about his admission being denied and why it was denied and all that stuff. The point is, Einstein, that he did NOTHING for Georgia. Neither did Jamar Chaney nor Jamar Bryant nor Brandon Lang nor Brandon Sesay, even though they may have done well somewhere else… . And you’re right, Grant wasn’t in the Class of 2005. He was in the Class of 2004, which I listed him as being a part of. And he WAS part of that class because he signed a national letter-of-intent on national signing day. Get it?

By uga_b

July 29, 2008 12:46 PM | Link to this

Michael Grant was actually a star…for another team. Jamar Chaney has been pretty good for MSU as well. Those were both on the admissions department and not the coaching staff. The kids actually qualified as well.

I think we may all disagree with you on Ellerbe (who I assume is one of the ones you were referencing about potentially moving up). Dawgman, Mudcat was a bigger bust IMO. Miller never was all-world, but he started out of position for three years. That still takes talent.

I think injuries have to go into the bust categories just like players that went somewhere else. Bust for us as a Saturday football team; not as people or competitors.

I think the receivers in this class have the most potential to be stars. Both have talent; the o-line will get better the next 2 years; and none of the other recievers on the depth chart outside of MoMass has been able to seperate themselves.

By I-DOG

July 29, 2008 12:48 PM | Link to this

I have no way to predict what most of these players will do for a lot of reasons, many of them I have not seen play.

I think the best bet for OK to Star (not a bust) would be Blair Walsh. My reasoning? If you can kick the ball accurately from 35-55 yards in high school including some pressure playoff kicks, there is a good likelihood that you can do the same at the college level. He may not be dynamite as a freshman (though I hope he is), but unless he is kicked off the team or gets hurt… I don’t see him being a bust.

The most likely not to live up to the hype is AJ Green only because he has SO MUCH HYPE. If he has a solid career his first two seasons and then is 2nd team All SEC his final 2, it will have been a huge disapointment… that would be considered an excellent career for most recruits but not for him.

Good luck to all these student athletes in the classroom and on the field, GATA.

By Ted Striker

July 29, 2008 12:49 PM | Link to this

Hear, hear, Chip!

By shane #1

July 29, 2008 12:58 PM | Link to this

One thing to consider, 90% of the players that UGA signs are three and four star recruits. Eightyfive of these scholarship players are on the roster every year. Discounting injurys for a moment, omly twentytwo will start a game, only fortyfour will be on the two deep. That’s a little better than 50%, discounting walk-ons, and usually a walk-on earns a scholarship out of every class. Boling and Sturdavant became starters on the O line last year, Jones will probably play some this year. If UGA had three or four senior linemen Trinton probably would be the only one of these guys getting any PT. Calling Miller a bust is also a little unfair. He was a five star as a DE. Because UGA had a couple of guys named Moses and Johnson at DE and needed a MLB Miller changed posistions. The MLB is the QB of the defense, one of the hardest slots on the D. Did Miller cry and complain, or did he do Hs best? He made not have lived up to five star standards, but IMO, he was no bust! The emergence of Curen and Ellerbe allowed UGA to switch miller back to His natural posistion. The same with Chandler. When He came to UGA Pope and Milner were there, both of Whom are earning NFL paychecks today. Tripp dropped a few balls early in the year,{so did Mo-Mass and other WRs}, and the fans got on Him hard. Tripp didn’t fold, but got better. He made some key catches later in the season and some great blocks. He did better than okay, he is now an important part of the offense and I think He will be a breakout player this year. Knowshon became a star, but go to You Tube and watch some of His videos, You will see Tripp out there opening some of those holes.

By BankerDawg

July 29, 2008 1:03 PM | Link to this

The starting WR better watch out because T.K. (Tavarres King) is not afraid to go after the ball and take a hit!!! He needs to add a little weight, but since at Georgia he has already put on over 15 pounds of pure Georgia training!!! Watch out for the MAN from the SHAM!!!

By ron

July 29, 2008 1:10 PM | Link to this

to say aj bryant was ok proves you don’t recognize talent.the player was a total washout for the dawgs.players coming out of peach county are suspect at best.

By uga_b

July 29, 2008 1:11 PM | Link to this

Chip, dig the saltiness. A little bit of fan-talk slipped out. I hope Blair Walsh pans out, but I also heard a lot about Butler Jr. coming out. If we keep Mimbs punting, who is doing a bang-up job, I believe he may have something to say in the kicker race.

I just hope some of these o-linemen graduate from UGA still on the team. That would make them stars in my eyes.

By ron

July 29, 2008 1:16 PM | Link to this

seth watts was a very talented high school lineman coming out of washington county,georgia was rated as one of the bset in the nation.watts didn’t have the heart to compliment his size.

By Jordan

July 29, 2008 1:34 PM | Link to this

chip, you’re a bust. and don’t you forget it. i don’t need any context or perspective to know that. and that IS the truth.

By Chip Towers

July 29, 2008 1:35 PM | Link to this

uga_b: You and I disagree on the point of admissions. In my opinion it’s the job of these coaches, most of whom make about $200,000 a year, to be sure that the prospects they are signing to letters-of-intent are able to meet every criteria needed to become a fully eligible student-athlete at THEIR school. If they fail to do so, then it’s a bust, regardless if some other place’s more lax standards permit said prospect admittance.

By MountainDawg

July 29, 2008 1:43 PM | Link to this

There are always suprises with recruits (good & bad). Ben Jones is a super-stud who’ll be an multiple-year All American. The kid is a beast who man-handled a slew of blue-chipper D-lineman at a camp (in Atlanta)…the clip’s on YouTube..just search “Ben Jones OL”. I look for a solid season from Chandler (needs to be utilized much more) & Kenneth Harris. AJ Greene should be a stud if he lives up to his billing.

By Dawg!!!!

July 29, 2008 1:59 PM | Link to this

Um, Josh Johnson never set foot on UGA’s campus.

Kelin Johnson was a 2 star recruit that nobody in Florida paid attention to and he became a captain and team leader (and 1 of its best players last season) - hardly OK.

By Tiger36022

July 29, 2008 2:08 PM | Link to this

Hey Innocent Bystander, AU wasn’t on probation in 2004. And AU and Jason Campbell went 13-0. AU’s perfect season while on probation was in 1993, fyi.

By Seriously?

July 29, 2008 2:15 PM | Link to this

I wonder if Mark Richt thinks guys like Blake Barnes and Joe Cox have been busts. Sure, Barnes hardly saw the field and Cox will never be a full-time starter, but that does not mean they are busts. Joe Cox won the Colorado game for us a few years ago and he never seems to be frustrated or angry when you see him on the sidelines. You never heard anything negative from Blake Barnes as far as I can remember either. Jason Johnson is another guy that comes to mind who always kept a positive attitude and actually had a nice little run in the Florida game last year.

Granted, you would like to get on-field contributions out of all your recruits. But given the number of kids that come in each year that is just not possible. The positive outlook and team-first mentality that these guys and others like them have exhibited over their careers at UGA is something that I think Mark Richt is very proud of and I bet CMR would say that this has been a key element to the on-field success of the Dawgs during his tenure in Athens. Maybe I am wrong, but I doubt it.

By Mark

July 29, 2008 2:15 PM | Link to this

Maybe the coaching staff is to blame….Maybe UGA does not coach their kids up…

By UGA in 08

July 29, 2008 2:26 PM | Link to this

Ben Jones…T.King…AJ Green are the closest thing to a lock for me.

I feel good about the others but there will not doubt be several bust. I fear that D. Tyson will be a bust like M. Elmore.

Chip - I agree with your logic…if we sign them to a LOI and they do not contribute for any reason they are a bust!!!

By uga_b

July 29, 2008 2:36 PM | Link to this

Chip, we may not disagree as much as you think. Maybe we do.

I do feel that those who cannot qualify based on test scores / grades or transfer later lay at the feet of the coaches. It is a little less black and white when the kid meets all of the stated academic requirements at the school, but does not make it through the academic committee because of some kind of flag. The 2 cases I cited, which you are familiar with, met this special circumstance. Grant had the expulsion issue and was considered a risk. Chaney was flagged for potential cheating due to his test score. Coaches take risks on players with some mistakes all the time. Maybe they shouldn’t have in these cases, but the kids qualified academically, not behaviorally. I think the committee can be a double-edged sword, but it is not standard to every campus. And I know we are talking about UGA, my campus.

My basic point is they hit on their scouting in those 2 cases as far a play on the field was concerned and the kids had qualifying scores for UGA and wanted to come here. Both have also been good citizens up to this point. Maybe I am just wistful, but I think it was the academic committee who got it wrong.

By UGA in 08

July 29, 2008 2:46 PM | Link to this

Some of you guys need to take a chill pill…Chip’s article was not being critical simply stating the obvious for all top rated schools. You only going to have a handfull of STAR players on the team at any given time. How many did LSU have that were truely stars??? I would say they had about 5 or 6 and 16 or 17 good starters. Thus out of 85 scholarship players about 7% were STARS!!! Look at the past NC and the numbers are the same. The numbers don’t lie and most years most top schools will end up with mostly OK/GOOD players with a few less BUST and even fewer STARS. Who do you think will be STARS for UGA this year? Here is my list…

K. Moreno…no brainer M. Stafford J. Owens D. Ellerbee R. Curren

Others like Mo Mass will be good but will not have to be great (1st team all SEC) for UGA to win it all.

By john

July 29, 2008 2:48 PM | Link to this

Mark - UGA has been extremely successful in the time period these kids were in school. Last year for instance we were 2nd place overall. Of course these kids have been well coached and succeeded as a group.

As to Chip’s stance on admission, several of these kids were denied admission for no clear and objective reason. You might get on the staff if they were recruiting clearly impossible cases but some guys here met the NCAA standards and UGA’s historical admission criteria for athletes and were still denied.

At that time we took a calculated gamble and tried to get some of these kids in school. Generally when they get here, they get it done in the classrom. Even when they don’t such as Paul Oliver it was clear the kid wanted to succeed. So giving Richt and crew the benefit of the doubt, b/c they surely have earned that, I’d take the non admitted kids off the list entirely.

After adjusting for only the kids in school, you have a perfect bell curve which is what has to happen anyway. Not everyone on the team can star or even play. It’s impossible given the # of spots on the field. If you’d scale your star definition to making the NFL, which very few of all football players do, you’d see that Georgia is actually ridiculously heavy on stars. Aren’t we top 3 in total NFL players? I can’t possibly define that as not having a great number of players succeed.

In the overall list of busts above I don’t see a single guy who was a clear-cut stud recruit. There are “5 star” guys who “bust” through various injuries like Hollis & Mudcat & Lumpkin. There are even the ocassional ones who “bust” to only be decent players, but it’s getting hard to even remember one in that case. But I really can’t remember a 5 star type who just wasn’t any good at all.

My take is you’re expecting way too much for a player to be marked a star, which you admit and assigning way to little credit for guys like Kellin Johnson or Dannell Ellerbe who succeed far beyond their initial rankings.

By shane #1

July 29, 2008 3:44 PM | Link to this

First, too many “stars” on the 85 man roster will not work. After the 2005 collapse Fulmer said He told His asst coaches to “go find Me some football players”. He said that coaches spend too much time recruiting “stars” instead of finding those hard working kids that are the backbone of a team. It was not by accident that Trae Battle and Kelin Johnson became starters, They earned it on the practice field. Recruiting is a crap shoot anyway. You can look at a kids grades and if He is borderline, and a good enough athlete, You take a chance. You try to find good kids, but other than hiring a PI to follow Them around how do You know They are good kids? Their HS coach isn’t going to rat Them out, neither are Their neighbors. Besides, even good kids are capable of doing something utterly stupid. A friend of mine that is a retired HS football coach had a saying about new guys on His team, “You can’t look at the monkey and tell how good the circus is going to be.”

By Benjamin

July 29, 2008 4:15 PM | Link to this

Wouldn’t chalk Michael Grant up to UGA in 2004. He signed with Arkansas and became an All-SEC player…..now plays with the Jaguars.

By T'ville Dawg

July 29, 2008 4:36 PM | Link to this

It’s really no different than say signing a pro who had one great year to a big contract believing he will grow into someone great. It’s really a crap shoot. The same thought process going into drafting a QB in the first round of the NFL draft.

By Deli Man

July 29, 2008 4:40 PM | Link to this

BTW, I understand Coarch Fullmer thought his subpoena was a Mexican sandwich…explains a lot. He was actually heard ordering a Philly cheese steak, triple bacon with anchovies sub, so the mistake is understandable. These are weighty times!

By Geezus

July 29, 2008 6:03 PM | Link to this

D@mn Chip, Ease up.

By William

July 29, 2008 6:09 PM | Link to this

The only disagreement is Ellerbe. The guy is a star.

By Chip you must be drunk!!

July 29, 2008 6:14 PM | Link to this

Chip you are way out of your mind on Thomas Brown !!!! He beat out both Ware and Lumpkin. Started all 4yrs,, Avg’d 5yrds per carry in the SEC,,, picked up any and all blitzing LBs (never missed his assignments) , Ask the coaches if they feel that thomas was a bust. You need your fingers broken so you can’t write or type any such foolishness any more !!!

By G-Dawg

July 29, 2008 6:17 PM | Link to this

Boykin is going to be a STAR! That kid is an athlete. Have you seen his videos on YouTube? He is a stud!

By RicoSuaveGreenville

July 29, 2008 6:39 PM | Link to this

Chip, This is good stuff. I also like to moxie - standing up to your bone-headed critics. Ellerbe is a star without question - how did he not make your list? You should do an article about how much the Dawgs have improved since Calloway left/ Searels arrived. Nothing like having a solid and athletic OL.

By checkitout

July 29, 2008 6:49 PM | Link to this

Hey I-Dawg, this is about the UGA players and recruits. Why bring Tech into it?

By harleydawg

July 29, 2008 7:28 PM | Link to this

hey toccaboy, brandon miller still was a lame dog, never stuck his head in there till last game, nfl sucks too, where would we have been without ellerbe last year, not 11-2, he should have star status

By Dorsey Hill

July 29, 2008 7:43 PM | Link to this

Chip,

Ease up on the morons. If it wasn’t for morons your readership would dwindle considerably. For some reason football fans are the worst at acting like they know something, telling others they are stupid and all they while they are complete idiots themselves.

I remember being in Sanford when we lost to Tennessee in ‘06. If you will recall we were ahead 28 to 7 in the first half with a QB who couln’t throw it 15 yards with the wind at his back. Anyway, it went downhill fast in the 2nd half largely thanks to very poor play on the part of some players, in particular Lumpkin’s matador block on the punt team that led to a blocked punt and Tenn. TD.

Anyway, I’m just distraught because we obvioulsy had a great game plan going in that just was not being executed by the players when the guy next to me says, right after the punt block, something to the effect of “what are you going to do about it Richt?!?!?” Being astounded at such stupiduty, I looked at the guy and said, “the coaches have done a good job, the players are just not doing thier jobs. The coaches can’t play for the players.” In any event he gives me a dirty look when all of a sudden Thomas Brown takes off up the field on the ensuing kickoff. When he got to the 40 I knew he was gone so I spent the rest of the play screaming in the guys ear “Look at Coach Richt run the ball!! Look at Coach Richt run the ball!!!” over and over again. He didn’t like it but the point was made and it was the highlight of my evening.

BTW: I know someone out there is going to scream about Willie’s defense that game and I agree that there were some issues there but there was a big adjustment going on at safety and the corners that year. We had lost TD and Blue and were going with two much lighter safeties in Johnson and Battle who had to cover for very young coners. It made Willie be very conservative, which was probably the right plan, but it looked real ugly especially when the players are missing coverages and tackles.

Anyway the financial health of the sport depends on a lot of idiots, so you ought to give ‘em a break. But I do know who hard it can be.

By AltamahaDawg

July 29, 2008 7:58 PM | Link to this

Dorsey, I dont think my buddy and I will every forget the guy sitting next to us at the Black Out game. Here was this incredible scene, and this guys would scream “come on coach!” no matter what. offence didnt score on every play, defence didn’t tackle for a loss and it was OH MY GOD! WHAT ARE YOU DOING (Bobo, Martinez). It’s no way to enjoy a football game I can tell you. But yes he paid for his ticket.

By Nick

July 29, 2008 8:00 PM | Link to this

I think the biggest bust we’ve had since Jasper Sanks was Kedric Golston. As much of a big deal as everyone made of him, what the hell did he do? He was always one of the slowest players on the field and as a result was never anywhere near the action. There, I just had to get that out. I feel better now!

By jdawg

July 29, 2008 8:01 PM | Link to this

Hey Chip you must be drunk @ 6:14. Chip may be drunk, but you’re a retard. Chip ranked TB a star not a bust, you moron.

By Devildawg

July 29, 2008 8:16 PM | Link to this

Kelin Johnson is just ok? He was the difference maker in a number of games down the stretch for us last year. He was dinged up but without him I doubt we would have gone on that win streak. (blocked punt and int against KY; two ints against Auburn; led the team in tackles against Tech)…yeah, just ok

By JK

July 29, 2008 8:28 PM | Link to this

I still watch you guys!

By Coaches Circle

July 29, 2008 9:18 PM | Link to this

Goes to show that these high priced coaches are not doing a good of doing a good job in evaluation of players. Great coaches can sometimes take average players and make them into a great team. Why would coaches waste time on kids who cant make the grade, then take a chance on the kid going to a remedial college where the kid can still change his mind. Sometimes its coaching too and Xs and Os.

By AltamahaDawg

July 29, 2008 9:51 PM | Link to this

Golston a bust really????? Slowest guy on the field at noseguard, go figure. I would bet a a few of our DE would argue that Cedric Golston pushed “the action” thier way.

By Oledawg

July 29, 2008 9:52 PM | Link to this

Chip- This is a crap subject that only the coaches should judge. Have you or any of these blogs put yourself in MR’s shoes ? He and his Staff work hard for their money and end up with some disappointments, but who the hell are we to judge players in print. I don’t care what you and your buddies do at AJC, but how would you feel if we disected your career when you started and then printed it in the paper. You nor these bloggers know small worthy nuances about lives such that you print their names for all to judge. We at UGA are behind these young players as a team and to make negative assessments about individual players is insensitive. They are young and vulnerable at this time in life. I have the utmost respect for these young athletes because they are chosen from thousands for the honor to be on my school’s team and they don’t need us to judge them. Their play on scout teams and other team supporting activities just got shot down as being “not up to hyped expectations”. I just placed words in quotes as if you wrote them. Does’nt feel good does it? Suppose we do that to every sentence and then tell you your writing doesn’t come up to expectations if you have to resort to denigration of some individuals in order to get a story printed. I don’t think for a moment that you are as callous as I am reflecting your story. I prefer to think that you are a professional and that maybe you should treat all young men with dignity at this time in their lives. They will have plenty of time to get dinged in life by uncaring anal sphincters without us joining in. These general assessments without full facts and understanding gives one pause as to whether these “sports articles” are worth the ink to print them or my time to blog a reply. Go easy. It’s a game played by young men who will cross thresholds none of us can approach in a wonderful tableau on life. That’s what the attraction is to us all. Don’t ruin it by judging in print. Lets all have fun and enjoy it with them. This 67 yr ole fart is going to .

By AltamahaDawg

July 29, 2008 10:01 PM | Link to this

I bet his momma would argue about his first name starting with a K.

By To jdawg

July 29, 2008 10:41 PM | Link to this

Oops i jumped the gun and misread the article . i was drunk ! I beg your pardon Chip,,, Damn,,, oops ‘cuse me i need another shot to chase this beer. Sorry

By Chip Towers

July 29, 2008 11:17 PM | Link to this

Last comment from me on this subject: “OK” was just to give a name I gave to a rating, not meaning they were just OK players. The players in this category ranged from extremely good to career backups and special teams guys. I probably should have used “Regular” or “Standard.” The point being simply that the program got out of these guys what they signed on for, which was four years of play, either very good down to mediocre… .

Ole Dawg: My work is judged and dissected every day, many times right here in this forum and most recently quite meticulously by you… .

New blog topic in the morn!

By Oledawg

July 29, 2008 11:38 PM | Link to this

uga-b’s comments were on the mark concerning Grant. A story in the Athens Banner Herald concerning Grant at the time went into detail to wit; Grant was expelled during his Jr. year in high school. The reason for the expulsion was one I disagreed with and a show of humanism by my school would have been greeted by this alum with a smile.

He was expelled after a girl came on to him in the boys restroom and they had sex. Because she was white seemed to be the determining factor in his expulsion. He joined another school and continued to be a good citizen and athlete. He was fine scholastically for my school and he excelled in sports his senior year. Testimonials from family, friends, social leaders and coaches attested to his character at both schools as before and after “the incident”. I think the article stated his Pastor thought highly of him and his family.

The Academic Committee erred. He was a fine young man and would have been a boon to our University and his team. Mark Richt agreed with me and upon hearing about the verdict picked up the phone and called Arkansas’s Coach Nutt. Since Michael had committed to UGA and we did not commit to him his letter of intent had just been rejected and he was left in limbo late in the summer. While he was at Arkansas he became an all SEC linebacker, good student and enjoys well-deserved success in life. He was in frequent touch with coaches and players in appreciation for making sure he didn’t suffer some unnecessary arrow for his loyalty to UGA. That man was not a “Bust” and it doesn’t matter how defensive Chip gets on the use of such a negative term,nor the context in which Chip wants to justify it’s use.

I thank Mark Richt for his humanism, faith in his fellow man and exemplifying his religion and his school. And mine.

By Ole Inflated Ego Dawg

July 30, 2008 12:10 AM | Link to this

Dude, you used “to wit”, “boon”, and “humanism” (twice) on a football blog. You clearly have some insecurities.

This is pretty simple. Chip couldn’t have been clearer (from the very beginning).

Chip’s standard for the sake of this article is that if a guy didn’t produce for UGA, then he was a bust. That’s really remarkably clear, logical, and simple. Which makes it that much more funny that you don’t get it, but yet still try to sound smart by using odd words.

Humanism. That’s funny.

By ozzfest

July 30, 2008 1:29 AM | Link to this

Dude, Ellerbe IS a star. Whatchu smokin’ Willis?

By bill

July 30, 2008 2:12 AM | Link to this

here’s to a suckathon in 2008 so you GA fans will SHUT THE F* UP!

By ............................................BuLLdawg

July 30, 2008 2:48 AM | Link to this

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Chipper Towers, you sir have out done yourself yet again. A Star is anyone who STARTED a football game for UGA you blithering idiot. If he goes on and makes an NFL roster. If he is the best he can be. For you to relegate them instead to “OK” because “coaches expected them to be starters in their UGA career” is beyond REASONABLE. You don’t have to be All-America, make the College Football or Pro Hall of Fame, or even be All-Conference to be a Star. Chester Adams for example, Dannell Ellerbe, and Danny Ware are all Stars for UGA. Figure it out. So too are Kelin Johnson and Joe Cox, Brannan Southerland, Ramarcus Brown, Asher Allen, CJ Byrd, Prince Miller, Bryan Evans, Jeremy Lomax, Geno Atkins and Kade Weston.

OK I would rename as SOLID which is someone who did not ever start in his UGA career, never made an NFL roster, but kept his nose clean or fixed his reputation over time while at UGA and had his damn moments son. Demiko Goodman for example and Michael Moore.

A BUST. What is a BUST ? A bust is someone highly touted, recruited, signed, accepted by the school, who never once started, never really got a chance to play, but WAS NEVER INJURED. You cannot judge after the 2007 season who is a bust or not from the 2004 and 2005 recruiting classes. It’s too early twit. They have not been determined in all cases yet, if recruited and signed 2004, with 2004 their redshirt year, 2005 their freshman year, 2006 their sophomore year and only now 2007 their redshirt senior year (if they were not injured) and therefore are still now 2008 their redshirt senior 6th season with injury. You cannot evaluate the 2005 season either for those signings. And, Michael Grant was never at UGA. Where did you get him on UGA’s roster to evaluate son ?

If you are injured, you cannot be a bust. You are injured. This happens to football players Chipper Towers, you dimwit. Seth Watts is in this category and unfortunately, many others are as well.

Your statuses are HARSH and arbitrary Chip Towers.

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By ............................................BuLLdawg

July 30, 2008 3:33 AM | Link to this

Georgia Tech did not make the stone cold sober list of schools because when your student-athletes set up drug deals of 93 lbs. of drugs on your campus in your van with your child on your lap and you still play against UGA the next time we two play and when your student-athletes die of heroin overdose and Georgia Tech has a far worse Academic Progress Rate as a result in Football, Men’s Basketball and Women’s Basketball - NONE of which did you beat UGA at anyway in that sport - you are drugged out of your minds down there in the slums of downtown Atlanta where the drug deals all are.

UGA made the Party School List, but the list is bogus. I note that there really are not Northern Colleges on the list - not really. But, Randolf-Macon in Virginia and Ohio University in Athens Ohio make the list ahead of UGA ? Bogus.

And, LSU does not make the list at all.

Class discussions RARE and LEAST ACCESSIBLE PROFESSSORS (because their Tech profs are NOT at Tech but in Chicago actually teaching classes there while TECH PAYS THEM MILLIONS and supposedly did NOT EVEN KNOW THEY WERE NOT AT TECH) are the only areas where Georgia Tech RANKED.

UGA on the other hand, ranked very highly again (down from 5th to 7th Party School) in : Best Campus Food, Best College Newspaper, Jock Schools, Lots of Hard Liquor, Major Frat and Sorority Scene, Party Schools, Students Pack the Stadiums, and Best Athletic Facilities.

By ............................................BuLLdawg

July 30, 2008 4:36 AM | Link to this

To the poster that said this is a BLOG

http://dawg-extra.blogspot.com/2008/07/more-from-richt.html

Excuse me.

Did I find the right blog for UGA ?

It has ZERO COMMENTS.

None.

Nada.

Zilch.

Zip.

Nothing.

Nichts.

How can a blog be a good blog, if there are no comments please ?

I can understand that the AJ-C has a HISTORY of poor blogs and sideways comments such as the SUBJECT POST OF THIS BLOG TODAY but a blog is made up of comments, and this blog AGAIN RIPS CHIPPER TOWERS A NEW HOLE IN HUS BUTT.

Every poster.

Every post in this blog does.

By ............................................BuLLdawg

July 30, 2008 5:24 AM | Link to this

How again 2004 Signing Class ?

2004 signed and was redshirted.

2005 freshman redshirt.

2006 sophomore redshirt.

2007 junior redshirt.

If they were injured, and have another year of eligibility according to NCAA rules, then 2008 which has yet to be played they are still junior redshirt.

2009 then (after this season) BUST OF A SPORTS WRITER UGA BEAT WRITER CHIP TOWERS they would be still REDSHIRT SENIORS. This is when they shine the most in their careers in college. SENIOR YEAR.

And, that is the 2004 Signing Class. Some of those are still to be determined if their Senior and Last Year of NCAA Eligibility is not this up-coming 2008 year but the year after this up-coning 2008 year, the 2009 SEASON.

The 2005 Signing Class will NOT be able to be judged until a year AFTER THAT, which is the 2010 Season - that’s 3 years from now.

Why not go back and evaluate who was a Starter, made an NFL roster, was injured, was a solid player for us for the not 2003 Signing Class because they have not yet all been determined to have played their Senior seasons YET. But, go all the way back to the 2002 Signing Date. Those are the 1st to be determined at this point Chip Towers.

If you want to go and find ALL as Starters, Solid Players, or Injured for TWO (2) years, you have to go all the way back to 2001 Signing Class and 2002 Signing Class.

One would have thought even you are capable of that analysis Chip Towers.

By shane #1

July 30, 2008 5:29 AM | Link to this

Chip, Man, You opened a can of worms with this one. We Dawg fans might get on “Our” players, but everyone else can back off! Truth be told, We love those kids. They bust Their butts for Us, We will go to the wall for Them. As far as stars go, Ellerbe is All SEC, and that is a star, My friend! Next year it will be on His resume when the NFL comes knocking. As for Battle, He is the run stopper. Someone has to watch for the screens and draws, and Tebow running off tackle. Battle has to stay at home so the rush end can get Himself some QB. Football is a team sport so the guys getting Their names in the papper aren’t always the stars. No football player is a “star” all by Himself, not even Herschel!

By ............................................BuLLdawg

July 30, 2008 5:34 AM | Link to this

Hey Lowcountry, why don’t you skip past that, like I do your BS

By takedowndawg

July 30, 2008 7:24 AM | Link to this

Chip, are you sure that you and brother “Moore” were not separated at birth? Your analysis is useless in terms in encourageing promising young athletes to pursue a future with the UGA program. The primary motive in your article appeared to be to usurp the UGA football program/staff and its athletes. I seriously doubt that other premier MCAA football programs would fair much better if examined under your level of scrutiny-personal-opinion. Again, what is your motivation? Chip.

By WolverineDad

July 30, 2008 8:09 AM | Link to this

This is a silly converstion. On any given Saturday a team with great depth will play about half their roster. Are you saying the other half of these hard working kids are a “bust.” UGA gets great talent and has great competition at all positions. Some kids win the jobs and play more. Lets not label any kid good enough to get a scholarship to UGA a bust, these kid are working their tails off. PS I’m a Tech grad, and the same goes for all major D1 kids.

By uga_b

July 30, 2008 8:52 AM | Link to this

Dawgfans, I believe we are missing the point. The discussion was centered around one of the realities of recruiting: some star, some start, some backup, some leave, and some never make it on the field. Since we fanatics love discussing the past, present, and the future most of all, this was a forum to have us get excited about our players and contrast what has happened.

There was a time Reggie Brown was a bust at UGA and turned into a first round pick. He was a bust due to bum knees. Coates unfortunately experienced the same problem which Hollis II did before him. You have no ideas how many beers I put back discussing how I couldn’t wait to yell Mudcat in a public sporting venue. Easily the best nickname since I went to school. It never happened.

Some of these players will never see the field. Walk-ons and grad assistants can be just as important as any other member of the team except Uga. Uga is still number one.

Point is: realistically, all of our recruits have wonderful potential and that’s pretty d@$% exciting. Fastfoward me to the GA Southern game. GO DAWGS!

By exNFLplayer

July 30, 2008 8:59 AM | Link to this

I agree with WolverineDad. Every single member of a good football team contributes. Teams like UGA succeed because of total team effort and involvement. It would amaze most fans to realize just how many kids do something on Saturdays not to mention the guys that get them ready to go. UGA’s coaching staff does an outstanding job of creating a team attitude and of developing a sense of involvement in every single player associated with that team. I wouldn’t call any kid that participates in intercollegiate athletics and all of it’s demands, a bust.

By I-DOG

July 30, 2008 10:07 AM | Link to this

check it out:

Just to compare two programs at opposite ends of the recruiting rankings each year and opposite ends of the final AP poll rankings. There is a correlation. While I like to slam tech as much as any Dawg fan, that wasn’t my intent here.

By Chip Towers

July 30, 2008 10:41 AM | Link to this

BuLLdawg: 2004 recruiting class because those in that class and 05 make up this year’s seniors, as explained at the outset. As for your other suggestions, I made up this little experiment. A star is who I say is a star. My rules, not yours. Now go take a nap… .

takedowndawg: “Usurp” the program? Are you kidding me? …

OK, I’m really done with this blog. Thanks for the spirited response.

By Oledawg

July 30, 2008 10:46 AM | Link to this

Chip- I feel you have given a decent accounting of yourself with your replies and came looking for your new blog. Upon reading the newer comments to this blog I liked shane#1, Wolverine Dad, exNFL and uga-b’s latest expressions as targeting our feelings for our players. This blog had some decent and erudite remarks by people who really are college and Dawg fans with an extensive knowledge base. Thanks to your article we can stagger to Aug 30 with a pretty good feeling about our fan base as well as our Dawgs.

By Oledawg

July 30, 2008 10:47 AM | Link to this

Chip- I feel you have given a decent accounting of yourself with your replies and came looking for your new blog. Upon reading the newer comments to this blog I liked shane#1, Wolverine Dad, exNFL and uga-b’s latest expressions as targeting our feelings for our players. This blog had some decent and erudite remarks by people who really are college and Dawg fans with an extensive knowledge base. Thanks to your article we can stagger to Aug 30 with a pretty good feeling about our fan base as well as our Dawgs.

Where is your new blog?

By shane #1

July 30, 2008 11:24 AM | Link to this

Chip, it is Your blog so You get to make the rules. It reminds Me of backyard football, the rules are made by the kid with the ball. The old adage was “never get into a battle of words with someone that buys paper and ink wholesale.”

By Chip Towers

July 30, 2008 11:55 AM | Link to this

New blog has been posted!!!

By Ed

July 30, 2008 12:19 PM | Link to this

Oledawg…

The MG issue was not that simple: 1.It happened twice and the girl did’nt just stroll into the boys room at SGHS. (the first time was swept under the rug)

2.How many pastors have you heard saying “this member of our church is an unholy issue” ?

3.If a player uses a recruiting spot another could have used and does not result directly in wins…bust.

By ............................................BuLLdawg

July 30, 2008 6:01 PM | Link to this

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By Chip Towers

July 30, 2008 10:41 AM

BuLLdawg: 2004 recruiting class because those in that class and 05 make up this year’s seniors, as explained at the outset. As for your other suggestions, I made up this little experiment. A star is who I say is a star. My rules, not yours. Now go take a nap

OK, I’m really done with this blog. Thanks for the spirited response.

Chipper Towers, you piece of crap. You have the balls to come into our forum which we had long before you and will have long after you have taken your BUST definitons to your mama and found out there too you are wrong and try to tell me of all people that you are right and everyone else is wrong.

A Starter on the Number 2 team in the nation, is a Star.

Solid is a player, you call “OK.”

Injured is a player who is injured. They cannot be evaluated.

2004 recruiting class and 2005 recruiting class are NOT seniors as you so in-aptly put it.

2004 recruited, redshirted.

2005 redshirt freshman.

2006 redshirt sopohmore.

2007 redshirt Junior and that is ONLY IF HE IS NOT NCAA injured - in which case he is redshirt Junior again 2008.

2008 is the season that has not been played.

That is the 2004 class.

2005, he would be a Not Junior Redshirt Injured for 2008, which has NOT been played, but 2009.

You are BUST as an UGA Beat Writer.

Don’t you begin to pick on me Chipper Towers for what you wrote and now wish to call OVER “UNCLE” you want a new blog.

You said it.

I disagree.

So too does EVERYONE else. Read it and weep.

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By DOT

July 31, 2008 8:35 AM | Link to this

The only one a definitely disagree with is Ellerbe not being a star. He was the leading tackler on a team that finished #2 in the country last year.

He also already fits one of the criterion you set forth…he was voted 1st team All-SEC by the coaches last week.

http://secsports.com/index.php?s=&urlchannelid=2&urlarticleid=11315&changewellid=2

I pretty much only look at the coach’s all conference team after the media voted Dan Inman all conference after his pathetic, personal foul, 15 yd penalty laden senior season.