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AJC > Sports > UGA > Blog > Archives > 2008 > January > 29 > Entry

Don’t sweat the 11th-hour recruits

Ah, football recruiting. It’s that time of year again… . Actually that’s not right. It’s recruiting time all year around nowadays. But now, in late January, is when it reaches fever pitch.

Those of you who come here regularly know where I stand on recruiting. Don’t get me wrong. I realize its importance. It truly is the lifeblood of any program. What really humors me, though, is the attempts to quantify it. To me it’s kind of like trying to catch water in your hand. You know whether it’s hot or cold but really not a whole lot else.

I say this to reference the relatively recent concern among many Georgia fans about Florida passing the Bulldogs in the recruiting rankings. Or at least in one of the recruiting ranks. If I’m following this right, that recent adjustment in the rivals.com rankings had mostly to do with the defensive tackle from Buford, Omar Hunter, signing with the Gators rather than Georgia.

Hunter’s decision continued a mythical trend of late-deciding prospects choosing other places other than Georgia. The truth is, the Bulldogs have been maxed-out for a while on scholarships. Sure, there were one or perhaps two recruits they would have considered taking in right there at the end. But they weren’t putting a ton of time and energy into that because they had already filled their quota and, more importantly, their needs.

And isn’t that what recruiting is all about, filling your needs? Georgia had long since done that. That’s what’s crazy about ranking recruiting classes. Some teams need to sign 15 prospects while others go over 25. Some, like Georgia last year, need a lot of offensive linemen, while others need to load up on skill players. It’s apples and oranges and there’s no accurate way to compare.

Here’s what I like about what Georgia is doing: The Bulldogs are working far ahead in recruiting. One of the things that allows them to do that so well is the stability of the coaching staff. I’m sure you saw where they got three commitments just the week for the 2009 class, which won’t likely be very large. The best players in the state want to play for Georgia and Coach Mark Richt and, as we saw this year, if the Dogs come forth with an offer you’d be well-advised to take it because they’re not going to wait around while you play the look-around game.

That is the philosophy of Richt and recruiting coordinator Rodney Garner. The logic is that not only do you get focused and committed players who can concentrate on doing what they need to do to get ready for college, you get players that are more deeply devoted to Georgia.

So I don’t know if the Dogs are first, fifth or 100th in the recruiting rankings. But I’m impressed that they filled their needs early and have devoted their energies to next year’s recruiting needs.

What do y’all think?

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By Dawg4life

January 29, 2008 1:29 PM | Link to this

Totally agree. What kills me is the media and recruiting services’ bias toward Florida. That counts especially when these services rank players that commit early to UGA, instead of holding out and committing to schools like Florida. For example, DeAngelo Tyson was a five-star recruit up until the middle of the football season, but now Omar Hunter is a five-star and is being given all the props because he backed off his commitment and now wants to play in the Swamp. Not that Omar isn’t an excellent player, because he is, but I think these rankings are more for creating drama in public circles.

I’m glad coaches don’t care about them, and, as you said Chip, instead focus on filling their needs with top-tier talent.

By piermontdawg

January 29, 2008 1:31 PM | Link to this

a solid coaching staff that stays put; a solid program with great fans; an nfl training ground; and potential national championships…why wouldn’t you want to play at georgia?

By JB

January 29, 2008 1:45 PM | Link to this

Has Tech been put on probation? Is the campus toxic? Is the country over run with Engineers ? Has Eddie Lee Ivery and Reggie Ball opened a Engineering Firm and taken away the demand for them? Where is their Class?

By Bryan G

January 29, 2008 1:45 PM | Link to this

Recruiting rankings are pretty overrated. If you’re in the top 10 or 15, you had a great class. There’s very little difference in being 1st or 5th, people.

UGA has a good class coming in yet again. As long as we are filling needs, we’re doing well. Now we just have to coach ‘em up. I’m sure you didn’t see Missouri or Kansas in the top 10 in the past few years, did you? But they both had great, great years because they were well coached.

By TWILB Dawg

January 29, 2008 1:50 PM | Link to this

Coach Richt and Coach Gardner are the best in the country! We are so lucky to have these two men at UGA. And to have added another great recruiter in Coach Lilly will only help us to maintain Top 10 status for the foreseeable future.

UGA gives kids in GA what they want, and that is the CHANCE year-in-year-out to compete for a title.

By jp

January 29, 2008 1:53 PM | Link to this

Totally agree with your assessment. Even though I like Recruiting and all of its glamour, in the end it means diddly squat. We all know that if a player is good enough, he’ll be offered early.

Its like waiting for a job offer while graduating from college. My friend and I graduated at the same time and my job offer came earlier than his and was a better job but he got all the kudos from the rest of my friends because he eventually ended up getting a job. I didn’t have to sweat out the last semester of college worrying about what I would do but he did. And him getting at the last second made it look impressive but we all knew that I’m better than him.

By oldfaithfuldawg

January 29, 2008 2:00 PM | Link to this

All this business about rating incoming classes is a lot like the BCS, AP, etc. rankings up until approximately the 8th game of the season. It’s just fan fodder to keep all us fools arguing with each other and resopnding to these blogs. The truth is that out of every university’s recruiting class, some of the 5 stars will make All American and some will never play a down. The same can be said for the 2 stars. so, none of it means a thing until the final game is played.

By July Jones

January 29, 2008 2:06 PM | Link to this

Right on jp. Nebraska has had great recruiting years. Notre Dame always has good recruits.

No one liked GAs offensive line at the beginning of this year, but guess what - they turned out to be pretty good.

This is all a way of keeping the football fever going during the offseason. Nothing more.

By born 2 bark

January 29, 2008 2:06 PM | Link to this

I’m grateful for our coaches and the talent we get each year. I try not to pay a lot of attention to the number of stars rivals and others give recruits, because if you go back and look at the archives from previous years you’ll see that a lot of 3 star guys did better than 5 when it finally counted. We have a great class this year and it’s already looking good for 09. Washaun and Knowshon, it just sounds magical. Go dAWGS!

By Vince

January 29, 2008 2:10 PM | Link to this

One thing that has arisen in the past few years, it seems to me, is that UGA has been getting MORE of the really top players in the 4 star and 5 star categories - I have not done a quant analysis but I think we are getting better and better players in the extreme upper echelon in the past 5 year running average, than in the past. I mean more of the Caleb Kings and Trinton Sturdivant’s rather than just a few of those types of players.

I used to be more afraid of those guys opting for TN or FL or AU than I am now.

By jp

January 29, 2008 2:10 PM | Link to this

that was a douche comment

By Bow Wow

January 29, 2008 2:21 PM | Link to this

Many top high school players attend a school that they think will get them the best exposure and money from the NFL with the least academic demands and constraints. There is little loyalty, as indicated by how many big-name recruits change their minds at the last minute. Georgia’s weak academic program, with the lowest graduation rate in the SEC, is a real draw for non-student athletes, but the downside is, they run out of remedial classes and basketball 101 electives after two years. Georgia has done a great job in attracting terrific talent, but the dogs still drop games to teams like Vandy and UK in 2006 and SC in 2007, and TN seems to administer serious whippings regularly. I wouldn’t put too much faith in verbal committments from 11th graders, either.

By old dawg

January 29, 2008 2:24 PM | Link to this

The old saying that you cannot make a silk purse out of a sows ear may not be true! Think back to the old days when Dooley and Russell took players you never heard of and made them play like champions. The Bear was also known to do this.HOWEVER,it sure is nice to start with talent already on display!!!

By CapeCodDawg

January 29, 2008 2:26 PM | Link to this

I like the way the team is sitting right now. Sure Hunter would’ve been great,but really we are in great shape due to the fact that we rotated 5 interior lineman and 8 DE in the Bowl game is a testament to that. I’m curious about LB Marcus Dowtin,he seems to have the size and speed that makes for one heck of an OLB. That being said I would’ve liked to have landed CB Pat Johnson or one more 4-5 star CB. The depth theis team has is incredible and depth is what will win the SEC/Nat.Championship for you. I’m thinking of going out to the ASU game…anyone wanna meet me there?..lol!

By NCDawg

January 29, 2008 2:30 PM | Link to this

Correct Mr. Towers. These recruiting rankings are just someone’s opinions. We all know of phenoms who for whatever reason don’t work out. After players are recruited, many things have to happen before we have a national championship team: coaching, schoolwork, abiding the law, stay healthy, learning plays/strategies, etc. What counts most is cleats on the turf and points on the board.

By TALLYDAWG

January 29, 2008 2:40 PM | Link to this

ITS ABOUT TIME FOR TERRANCE MOORE TO UP WITH SOME KIND UGA BASHING ARTICLE. THE ONLY REASON WE HAVEN’T HEARD FROM HIM YET IS BECAUSE HE HAS NOTHING BAD TO SAY. THAT MAYBE A FIRST.

GO DAWGS!

LETS BLACK OUT THE SPRING GAME AND GET EVERYBODY READY FOR NEXT YEAR.

By BigNCDawg

January 29, 2008 2:42 PM | Link to this

I just watch the movie on encore that Coach Richt appeared in, and it a great movie for those of you that haven’t seen it.

We get great recruits because we have great coaches.

By jeff

January 29, 2008 2:58 PM | Link to this

This recruiting craze is nuts. Look, the pros spend thousands of dollars scouting and evaluating college players and look how many first round flops teams have. I just wonder how much time do these recruing experts spend watching film before declaring some kid a 5 star player. Go look at Rivals.com analysis of Ohio State in 2002. They rated A.J. Hawk and Santonio Holmes as 3 stars and I think both were first round picks (I know Hawk was). Get excited about what your team does during the season, not this nonsense of ranking recruiting classes. Just my opinion.

By Blackdawg

January 29, 2008 3:01 PM | Link to this

It’s really hard to judge just how good they will be until we see how well and tight they can spoon with each other.

By huck

January 29, 2008 3:04 PM | Link to this

“The best players in the state want to play for Georgia and Coach Mark Richt and, as we saw this year, if the Dogs come forth with an offer you’d be well-advised to take it because they’re not going to wait around while you play the look-around game.

That is the philosophy of Richt and recruiting coordinator Rodney Garner. The logic is that not only do you get focused and committed players who can concentrate on doing what they need to do to get ready for college, you get players that are more deeply devoted to Georgia.”

Chip, that’s why we don’t worry about losing Omar Hunter (Notre Dame, then Florida, then …) and anybody else who jerk our chain.

The kids that want to play ‘Between the Hedges, WILL.

Go ‘Dawgs!

By reserviorDAWG

January 29, 2008 3:07 PM | Link to this

Jeff you are right. I wonder how many times these recruiting “gurus” have seen the kids play live. I like to see who is becoming a Bulldawg but this coverage is getting out of hand. I guess it gives unemployed or retired people somethimg to do.

By reserviorDAWG

January 29, 2008 3:15 PM | Link to this

It looks like the middle school buses have dropped off the kids, blackdog is back with his lame spooning remarks.

By Mikey

January 29, 2008 3:20 PM | Link to this

Black out the spring game ? It will probably be 80 plus degrees….not a good thing to wear black. The black needs to go back into the vault and left there. The emotional edge it gave has already been used.

Back to Red and make the other teams SEE red !!!

By Alpha Dawg

January 29, 2008 3:22 PM | Link to this

Here is why recruiting is a crap shoot. Case in point, 2004 class… Brandon Miller - 5 star Kelin Johnson - 2 star Now who started every game (he was healthy) and was an emotional leader of his team? Give me the guys that want to commit early and start working toward being a part of the team vs. the guys that want to wait until the last minute for the drama. I love that Richt and Garner get them in early and that Signing day is pretty boring. Go Dawgs!

By bamadon

January 29, 2008 3:28 PM | Link to this

I keep up with the recruiting news about Bama all the time. Coach Richt has done a wonderful job in keeping the good players in state to play for the dawgs. Hope Coach Saban can do the same thing in Alabama. Bama has a problem beating Auburn right know, so Saban better start recruting better players to win the state back from Auburn. Georgia will beat Bama this fall and hope the dawgs beat the vols this year real bad. ROLL TIDE AND GO DAWGS!! the vols this year

By some sense

January 29, 2008 3:36 PM | Link to this

Consider character issues that seldom come to light. UGA never got in on Darius Walker because he was “high maintenance”. Pretty good reason not to get in on a kid when you’re gonna get everybody you want anyway.

By shane #1

January 29, 2008 3:37 PM | Link to this

imo,richt likes to get the recruiting done early for several reasons.1-it frees coachs to begin forming relationships with players for the next class while other teams are still trying to fill there classes.therefore ga coachs are not tripping over coachs from other schools and can talk to the kids before they are swamped.2-richt likes for kids to enter a semister early,so they can get their feet on the ground before football practice starts,have extra time with the playbook and in the weight room,and they can attend spring practice.this also gives coachs a few months to evaluate them.recruit’em early,sign’em early,enroll’em early!richt will at times offer a three star that can enroll early before a four star that can’t.ala ben jones.there is one thing that bothers me about recruiting so early,i don’t want football to be like bball,where college coachs are following jr high kids around.the recruiting ratings don’t really matter,except as a rule of thumb.richt targets the players he wants,and signs 90% of them.

By XXXX

January 29, 2008 3:48 PM | Link to this

Ain’t buying it. Show me where recruiting have ever won anything for UGA ? Championships are about a lot of things. Recruiting is maybe the 5th factor. GA is the only school where it is believed that you can recruit your way to a nat champ.

By Jeff

January 29, 2008 3:54 PM | Link to this

I totally agree, but my question is how rivals can rate UF #1 and Scout has them #9. My opinion is they would fall some where between like maybe #5. UGA is a consistent #3 so I say the DAWGS have the better class.

By braveswin

January 29, 2008 4:07 PM | Link to this

bowwow,Ga’s weak academic program?I do believe we had a couple of Rhodes Sch’s this yr.And please stay tuned for the next grad rate when it comes out.Also losing to Ky and Vandy w/ a freshman QB is no crime.Ga caught UT at a time when they were fighting for C Fulmers job.Lets please leave the hate at home and look at where this program is heading, which is to the top both academically and athletically.If you doubt this, talk to us again in a couple of years and I know you be eating crow…if you are man enough to admit your errors

By Red Clay Hound

January 29, 2008 4:07 PM | Link to this

I never really look at a recruits ranking. If the dogs have offered them a scholarship, then I want them. I know the coaches have done their homework a lot more than some recruiting analyst.

By Exley DAWG

January 29, 2008 4:08 PM | Link to this

Great write Chip. Richt and staff are forward lookers and staff stability is the FOUNDATION. I was at the Class A state game between ECI and Wilcox in Cordele. The talk in the stands (and from ECI fans) back then was that Ealey was going to UGA. Get your grades up young man and Hunker Down!

By Jeff

January 29, 2008 4:09 PM | Link to this

Some Sense, The reason Georgia did not offer Darius Walker a scholly is because they only he ran a 4.6 forty yard dash compared to thomas Brown 4.3 and they only needed 1 back at the time. Darius said that Georgia never offered.

By Jason

January 29, 2008 4:10 PM | Link to this

People who follow recruiting so closely and get all dry mouthed about it are complete morons. Get a life!

By sweet home alabama

January 29, 2008 4:10 PM | Link to this

2 things all Bulldogs keep up with

1-recruiting

2-hoping for a pay raise to get to 12.00 an hour so they can keep reading about them dawgs on their recruiting web site.

By Mike

January 29, 2008 4:11 PM | Link to this

Athletes mature at different points in their lives and different ages. We have all seen walk-ons become All-America. Others like Johnny Unitas was cut from Pittsburgh, played semi-pro ball and look what happened!

These ratings systems are only opinions. Chip is right. Go after your needs, not the high-profile guy. Recruiting linemen is less glamorous than the fast, shifty backs, but if these are your needs - go after them. Remember, we have had other great classes that are stepping forward now as well. Get what you need and don’t worry about the ratings.

By Jeff

January 29, 2008 4:16 PM | Link to this

Richt gets the recruiting done early because he likes to get firm commitments from the players he wants, before any other school has the chance to sway them. Richt usually gets his 1st choices and everyone else gets the left overs.

By Gaytor Stomper

January 29, 2008 4:20 PM | Link to this

The only thing that counts is what is on the SCOREBOARD…getting 15 4 & 5 star widereceivers, who eventually transfer elsewhere due to lack of playing time (GAYTORS have had 28 players to transfer in the last two years - should we go back and rerank them for the one’s that are no longer on the team?)… anyway if you don’t have a top o-line those receivers aren’t going to catch many passes and if the interior of your d-line is weak you aren’t going to have the ball much on offense because UGA is going to run all over you eating up the clock. Filling NEEDS is far more important than having 4 & 5 star BENCH WARMERS!!!

By GeoffDawg

January 29, 2008 4:26 PM | Link to this

$12 an hour is double-wide money in Alabama.

By Mike

January 29, 2008 4:28 PM | Link to this

To XXXX:

If I were hiring a head coach, the three things I would be most concerned about are (in this order): recruiting, recruiting and recruiting. This is the single most important factor in any program. As my Dad (a football coach on the high school level) always said, “You can’t make chicken salad out of chicken s*.” I don’t care who your coach is - he cannot play for the boys on Saturday. If you don’t have the horses (read: starters and depth), you will not win championships. Look at Georgia’s success in the Richt era. The best years were when the best classes matured (David Green’s class, for example). National Championships require other things as well, but it all starts with recruiting - don’t kid yourself. Recruit your needs, not those with the most headlines.

By Merkwurdigliebe

January 29, 2008 4:32 PM | Link to this

I’m sorry, but I disagree with those who think recruiting rankings don’t matter and there’s no difference in class strength between 1 and 15. That’s baloney, there is a difference and a recent study comparing recruiting rankings to on-field success confirms this fact. Is there an area of subjectivity associated with grading these players? ABSOLUTELY! However, Rivals, Scout and others make a living doing this type of evaluation and if you put two position players side-by-side every Bulldog fan would prefer the one ranked 5* rather than a 1*.

The fact is we have a very solid class that fills our needs. I could care less what Florida does. By the same token, we may have been full for quite some time, but there will be academic and/or casualities to other sports (i.e. Pro Baseball), so in my estimation we could have and should have offered Omar Hunter, if we didn’t.

By Poon Snatch

January 29, 2008 4:32 PM | Link to this

The deer crept slowly across the dew covered field warming in the morning son rednecks farted their positions in pine tree stands suddenly out of a portapotty Herschel Walker wearing a ladies wig and stylish black pumps sprints toward the deer and runs over that 8-pointer what does this mean? UGA 9-3 Uf 8-4 Boise State 19-0

By AltamahaDawg

January 29, 2008 4:41 PM | Link to this

Dawg4life, given that both are Parade All-Americans, and the same recruiting services that have decided to change Tyson to a 4 star now, actually rank him as quicker and a better athlete, are further proff that its not quite an exact science.

I do think Chip is stretching the truth a bit to say it doesn’t matter if you are top 10 or 100. Obviously the the accolade do go to the better players. It’s not total huey. Decimal places between teams do start to get silly.

By DanRad

January 29, 2008 4:42 PM | Link to this

Kudos to ole Chipper. Like I have been saying down here on the flats our Tech fans should chill. Quit worrying cause Taylor Bennett and DJ Donnley and Colin Peek and several others have left and some recruits have decomitted. I hired PJ cause he is a good coach. He is going after speed. Speed Kills,heh heh. We stole a guy from Tulsa who can really run and snatched a guy from Mid Tenn who is fast. Right now we are all over a guy at Roswell who runs a 4.2 and we might get him cause he hasn’t played football since 7th grade so no other schools know of him. Lets just give ole Paul a chance to do his thing with his kind of players. He has been successful with them at Ga Southern and Navy. First lets get to that level and then onward and upward. Our sights are on Samford right now cause they are next. DRad

By Gamecock Henry

January 29, 2008 4:47 PM | Link to this

Recruiting rankings dont mean squat. Just like past traditons dont win football games. 16 - 12 and more to come Go COCKS!!!!

By Merkwurdigliebe

January 29, 2008 4:50 PM | Link to this

Poon Snatch is that Idaho speak for a double negative?

By Burt Reynolds

January 29, 2008 4:50 PM | Link to this

Smokey couldn’t catch me but Lonnie sure could

By XXXX

January 29, 2008 4:57 PM | Link to this

Look over the last 10 nat champs and find out where their recruiting classes ranked (what ranking service is best??) during the 2-3 year period prior to their nat champ and then you will see how unimportant recruiting is.

By FastFreddie

January 29, 2008 4:59 PM | Link to this

A few years ago when Penn State started its descent from the every year contenders for a national championship, one philosophy was that Paterno and Company had started getting their classes for 2009, for example, filled by March or April of 2008. They used the same logic of getting early commitments on board to be sure they had a space. Don’t know if their continued descent has any connection to the fallacy of the 10 or 11 month early completion of their recruitng needs but it is worth analyzing.

By Brooks

January 29, 2008 5:00 PM | Link to this

Gamecock Henry, congratulations on getting lucky last year. South Carolina caught Georgia at the right time before they started rolling. Enjoy it now. You can’t beat everybody every year but if you look at Georgia’s overall record against the cocks they’ve come pretty close. Congrats also on the 6-6 bust of a season and the false hope for the future. Or should I say Smelley future. GO DAWGS!!!

By Pewtus Gortsler 65

January 29, 2008 5:09 PM | Link to this

It was early spring and the smell of fresh cut grass on the Tenn. practice fields filled the air. Mr. Fulmer noticed a sudden urge to pop mud. The jolley trots sat in as he sprinted towards the field house as he squeezed with embarrassment. Players clearly noticed that he busted the back out of the toilet when he pounded the porcelain.

By Chip Towers

January 29, 2008 5:12 PM | Link to this

Right on, Alpha Dawg! That’s illustrates my point perfectly. I guess I probably have the biggest problem with the people doing the ratings. I just don’t trust them very much.

By P Dawg

January 29, 2008 5:14 PM | Link to this

Blackdawg, you must have an obsession with spooning. Give that tired old sh@# a break. Must you get on a UGA blog every day with the same comment. I have a feeling you didn’t make it very far in school or life for that matter.

But anyway, UGA is on it’s way baby! Things are just looking sweeter and sweeter and I really don’t see anyone in the SEC touching us for the next few years (at least). And anyone with half a brain knows that the SEC is the best and toughest football in the country. I only wish that the idiots that decide who plays for the NC would stop giving USC, OSU, and Oklahoma a chance when they only play a couple of decent teams on their way to undefeated or even one loss seasons. If you win the SEC, you’re the bestin the land—period!

By Techguy

January 29, 2008 5:16 PM | Link to this

UGAG like all schools give its players a chance to play for championships; it just doesn’t win them. Even with top recruiting year after year, must be the coaching.

By Chip Towers

January 29, 2008 5:16 PM | Link to this

XXXX Nowhere did I say recruiting was unimportant. In fact, I think I said it was ultra-important. I said recruiting rankings were unimportant and, to be specific, I was saying filling one’s needs with whom they wanted is what’s key. You ought to read a little closer.

By P Dawg

January 29, 2008 5:26 PM | Link to this

Techie fa@’s, shut the fu@# up about the academic aspect of sports. UGA has MANY very smart players and Tech has MANY players taking custodial engineering(basket weaving, etc.). All competitive programs have guys that take easier courses so PLEASE stop using that same excuse because you’re team sucks! Maybe you guys can get Bobby Ross to come back and coach you guys back into respectability. At least he won half of a championship with you guys. 7 going on 8 bit@#$!!!

By Burt Reynolds

January 29, 2008 5:28 PM | Link to this

Pewtus Goider is my muse

By FLA DAWG

January 29, 2008 5:34 PM | Link to this

I remember the days when we lost the top prospects to Auburn, Clemson & Tennessee. It’s great to see these multi starred, in-state players committing to UGA - now even for ‘09!

Richt is doing a great job. It seems like everything is coming together for a super year(s?).

By Dr Morpheus

January 29, 2008 5:37 PM | Link to this

Thanks for an informative article. BTW, I’m looking forward to seeing all you Dawgs come help me support the cause in Baton Rouge. I live less than a mile from Tiger Stadium and am working up plans for an open house. Should be a pretty good game, too.

By Gamecock Henry

January 29, 2008 5:38 PM | Link to this

Brooks….. Lucky???? Lets see, a few years back whem Mr Pollock makes a lucky play on our QB inwhich was the dawgs only TD. Cocks drive all the way to UGA 1 yard line and Mr Pinnock only has to stroll in for a TD but mysteriously dropps the football. Then Spurrier’s first year in Athens, Cocks missed the extra point which could have made a difference. Now thats LUCK!

By Jim

January 29, 2008 5:57 PM | Link to this

Good coverage on the recuiting is welcome and needed but something I think is missing are stories on the guys from last year’s class who redshirted and the impact they will make next season. Great material Dawg fans want to read.

By tebowscousin

January 29, 2008 5:58 PM | Link to this

What makes these guys from the recruitng boards gurus anyway? These nerds that sit there and watch video most likely never even played football. I guess since I watch alot of golf, I can consider myself an golf expert. I would rather put my faith in CMR and company that they can evaluate talent.

By quaildawg

January 29, 2008 6:05 PM | Link to this

Recruiting Ranking Services are there for one purpose…$$$$$. Coaches, as Chip points out, are paid $$$ to evaluate and fill needs. What good would my team be if I had a load of “5 Star” WR’s, RB’s and QB’s but didn’t sign any talent at OL or DL. My so called ranking would look good on paper but in three years I might be in the unemployment line. You can only sign so many in a given year. They better fill needs, be coachable, and stick for 4-5 years.

By reality check

January 29, 2008 6:14 PM | Link to this

Calling Pollock’s play luck is one of the most ignorant things I have ever heard.

The Georgia/South Carolina series has had nothing to do with luck in the Richt era. it has been all about which team had the better running game that day. This year the chickens were fortunate to play us when our 3 freshmen linemen and 8 new starters on defense had little experience. That won’t be the case next year.

Recruiting rankings mean very little, but it is clear Georgia is bringing in speed and potential again this year. The Georgia system is now loaded with young, quality players, who are getting playing time and will one day be playing on Sunday even though they may not be starting now.

You naysayers like XXXX and Bow wow need to say what teams you support unless you are too ashamed to admit it. At least we know what school Lamecock Henry supports, and while he is delusional the chickens at least have bragging rights. This year.

By GARY

January 29, 2008 6:23 PM | Link to this

About 1/3 of UGA’s recruits are so dumb, they will wind up at Hargrove Military or GMC the first year, til someone takes their tests, so they can enroll the following at uga. Check out the past 6 years of uga recruits.

By Dawg19

January 29, 2008 6:43 PM | Link to this

Gary, what school do you support? I could bet that in the past 6 years your team has had as many recruits not qualify directly out of high school. And if the UGA list is so prolific and you are going to make statements like that, why don’t you do the research first and post it to prove your point better? Otherwise, stay off of the blog of a rival school, a place you only show up because of your jealosy.

By P Dawg

January 29, 2008 6:58 PM | Link to this

Exactly Dawg19, not only post it but provide a link so we can sift through the BS. These guys want their team to have our success but it isn’t happening so they have to talk crap on a UGA site. Pitiful! Gary is obviously a GT fan, a team that is going so far backwards they might have to get Bill Curry back.

By Nick Saban

January 29, 2008 7:16 PM | Link to this

What does an “Alabama Girl” say when she’s having sex??? GIT OFF ME DADDY—-YUR SQUISHING MY CIGARRETTES!!!

GO DAWGS!

By AltamahaDawg

January 29, 2008 7:18 PM | Link to this

Henry, spoken like somebody who knows a thing or two about recruiting squat.

By SECCoachnDallas

January 29, 2008 8:02 PM | Link to this

BUT WHAT ABOUT THE COOTS? THEY ARE HAVING A GREAT YEAR…THEIR CLASS FOR 2006 SHOULD BE FILLED BY NEXT APRIL. THE EVIL GENIUS IS DOING A GREAT JOB RECRUITNG, UNFORTUNATELY THERE ARE NO PROSPECTS AT AUGUSTA NATIONAL! HE WILL OFFICIALLY BE HANGING IT UP AFTER NEXT SEASON. UNBEKNOWST TO COOT FANS IS THE FACT THAT HE RETIRED LAST AUGUST.

By S.E. Dawg

January 29, 2008 8:44 PM | Link to this

Last year at signing day coach Richt made the comment that he and the coaches do not pay attention to the number of stars a prospect has by his name. They evaluate the prospects themselves, sit down and discuss it and if they feel right about a kid, then they offer.

By rivals employee

January 29, 2008 8:50 PM | Link to this

I actually work for rivals.com here in Georgia and I can tell you not only do the evaluators watch the players live, they usually get their on film and watch 20-30 tapes a week. And as far as rankings, they have to do it based on overall class for rankings, but each team’s site will tell you how they filled their needs. UGA’s site definitely gives class analysis as far as need and any true Dawg fan knows that. Talent evaluation is/will always be hit and miss, but it’s still fun to watch and see these young kids develop as players from high school to college/pro. There is no reason to make fun of someone’s career as unimportant, like say, a beat writer’s online blog.

By Bow Wow

January 29, 2008 9:32 PM | Link to this

I did not realize that UGA had Rhodes’ Scholars on the football team. As of last fall, UGA had a graduation rate of 9% for football players, according to NCAA data. As a graduate of UGA, I find that most embarrassing.

By Poon Snatch

January 29, 2008 9:36 PM | Link to this

The river swayed like a fat girl trying to climb on a float the moon jumped over the stink emanating from the cow’s rump mother nature was screaming at father time will Vandy ever win an SEC crown the heavens parted the ghost of Apollo ripped a* and screamed Aphrodite give me a piece of that juicy booty…meanwhile Tech travels Navy at home by 14

By reality check

January 29, 2008 9:37 PM | Link to this

Your post about how dumb Georgia’s recruits are shows one thing, GARY. That is, you don’t know what you are talking about. All Georgia’s recruits qualified last year GARY.

What team do you support dipstick?

By Recruiting Rankings=JOKE

January 29, 2008 9:43 PM | Link to this

When you’ve recently won a mythical national title the players you recruit magically go from 3 stars to 4 stars, 4 stars to 5 stars, and so on and so forth. In Michigan’s case that national title doesn’t even have to be that recent. “Well, is recruiting them so they must be pretty good.” What a bunch of crap.

Recruiting rankings are the biggest pile of cow dung in the sport, and we all know that’s saying alot.

By Chip Towers

January 29, 2008 9:59 PM | Link to this

rivals employee: I don’t think I made fun of anybody’s job (Steve, Anthony, Chad or whomever you are). I respect the job you do and the people you serve. There’s no denying the interest in it. What I said was the attempts to quantify recruiting humor me. I know and you know it is impossible to quantify. Terry Bowden said it best when he said of recruiting sites such as yours, “they’re the most exact in an inexact world.” I just think it’s silly when people take the rankings so seriously. I’ll give rivals and scout and all of them this one thing: If your team is in the national top 10 in any of them you’ve probably had a really good year. Beyond that it’s only conversation.

By reality check

January 29, 2008 10:00 PM | Link to this

Congratulations to Danny Ware. I said on this blog last year I thought he would do well in the NFL and here he is playing in the Super Bowl for the Giants.

Depth is one of Georgia’s greatest strengths. This year we had two highly recruited and highly talented running backs out for the Florida game. That would have been a major blow for just about any team but Georgia.

I believe we will start hearing more about our depth as the season approaches. Richt plays young people. Shaun Chapas looked good last year as a redshirt freshman, as an example.

The word out of Athens is that Vance Cuff is the real deal. According to the rankings he was toward the bottom of the class right down there with Clint Boling. Many were surprised he didn’t redshirt. Apparently he has grown taller this year and put on significant muscle in the weight room. He has always been really fast and still is and now he has added size and strength. Word is he will be hard to keep off the field, even with all our depth at corner and safety.

By Bgone

January 29, 2008 10:02 PM | Link to this

Is Moreno planning on turning pro early?

I sure would hate to lose him, but you know the NFL scouts have to be drooling!

By SamoanDawg

January 29, 2008 10:09 PM | Link to this

Chip, I agree totally… is Akeem Hebron still considers as a redshirt freshmen or a redshirt sophomore?

Richt and staffs are doing a superb job. Looking forward to spring practice/G-Day.

Chip, I hope you’ll still keep us update with the latest in spring/fall camp. You did an awesome job last season!

sic’em!

By Chip Towers

January 29, 2008 10:46 PM | Link to this

BowWow: Far be it from me to defend UGA academics but I need to point out a couple of facts. The graduation rate to which you refer is from players that entered college six years ago and does not take into account transfers or those that turned professional before graduating. A more real-time gauge of academics in athletics is the APR and you can also access it from the NCAA’s website. I’d suggest checking UGA’s ranking there and compare it to whatever school it is you follow or maybe all the SEC schools and let us know what you find out. That way we’re talking about today… . Also, UGA was ranked 22nd among public universities in the U.S. News and World Report 2007 rankings. I think it was 60th among ALL colleges and universities — and that’s a bunch — and No. 7 among its “Best Schools, Best Prices” list… . Again, it’s not my place to defend UGA but there’s a huge misperception from anti-UGA types on this blog regarding the school as an academic institution. Believe me, if you’re from anywhere other than Vandy, Florida, Georgia Tech or UNC, you don’t want to go there.

By tom

January 29, 2008 11:04 PM | Link to this

Another great article!

By BCS Slave

January 29, 2008 11:33 PM | Link to this

Recruiting rankings are done by some of the same biased media types that will forever keep the BC$ a beauty contest. Yes recruiting classes are important, but rankings NEVER are. The people doing the rankings for the BC$ and for recruiting services are not performing a public service. They have their buisness related agendas to accomplish.

The coaches recruit players that fit needs, systems,and that can meet other criteria that rivals (a pay website) and Scout (another pay site) don’t even know about. Anyone who wastes their money on their BS are part of what’s wrong with college football.

By Dawg Pound

January 29, 2008 11:41 PM | Link to this

Recruiting is very important to get excellent High School players into your program of choice. What makes them a success is 1) coaching, 2) desire 3)work ethic and 4)luck.

UGA is very fortunate to have a stable and highly capable staff starting with CMR. This is followed by CWM, CMB, CRG and CDV. This is not all of the coaches, but these are the ones that start the list.

Desire is born within, it can be cultivated and manipulated by skillful coaches.

Work Ethic, starts with the individual and is followed by good senior leadership on a team.

Luck…when preparation meets opportunity. The ball bounces the right way on fumble and your guy falls on it instead of trying to pick it up. A poorly thrown ball is picked at an opportune time and returned for a TD.

Recruiting is important, but it is only a start. Hardwork and dedication to a progam and ones self make the difference as to whether any particular class is great.

UGA has a lot to be excited about with the recruits and the coaching staff on hand.

Work hard this off season pups, we need full grown dawgs come 08. It is a brutal schedule. Don’t forget about classes and stay out of trouble!

Go Dawgs!!!

By BCS Slave

January 29, 2008 11:56 PM | Link to this

Recruiting rankings are like football alchemy. It is nothing but a fanatic argument starter. It has been proven time and time again that talent evaluation means little. As many on this blog have said, so many variables go into determining the success of a player. Tebow would never have won the Heisman beauty contest if he didn’t rack up all those rushing touchdowns. He did that because his sorry coach risked his future to do it. Add the media bias in there and you have a sophomore Heisman winner. Put Tebow in another system, would he have won it?

The same principle works at every level. You can say a player is 5 star, but system, motivation, personal issues, coaching changes etc., etc., etc. determines if that player ends up a 5 star or two star. So little separates 5 star and 3 star players in major college football that the recruiting ranking thing is ridiculous.

By Jeff

January 30, 2008 12:23 AM | Link to this

I believe the chickens class is ranked, I mean rank as in smelley number 38 by Scout.com

By robby

January 30, 2008 3:08 AM | Link to this

duh…

i tend to view the recruiting phenomenon as entertainment…since that great class of hearst and hastings back in 89, ive had a close eye on the dawgs recruiting…its just a ton of fun and source of pride in my alma mater…

its a way to stay connected to the football program in the off-season too…

the only seriousness in it would be if georgia had problems filling their needs…i would begin to ask ‘whats goin on?’ … maybe signs of trouble with coaches, admin, or players…

but coach richt runs a top-flight program…no question…

his national championship for the dawgs is coming…will be soo nice to have that classic red and black and that bulldog on top…

ohhh…and i still cant believe that butler made that kick…60 yards!!!! to beat #2 CLEMSON!!!! i wuz only 11 so at times i think it may have been a dream…omg omg

By GoBigOrange

January 30, 2008 4:13 AM | Link to this

Who cares who georgia gets. They always lose to vandy and fla.

By Meatlake

January 30, 2008 7:00 AM | Link to this

How do we know that the toothbrush was invented in the state of Alabama?

Because if it were invented anywhere else, it would have been called the teethbrush…

By shane #1

January 30, 2008 7:45 AM | Link to this

i love the comment,”always lose to vandy and fla”,lose to vandy once in seven years and beat fla in 2003 and 2008 and it’s “always lose”.this from”big orange.if that’s ut you have been losing to fla and lost to vandy in 2005.now back to recruiting,players have changed,it’s not like the good old days in the sixties when joe papa and the bear could cherry pick players.now you have to compete with many schools nationwide for the better athletes.i have read that when paterno offers a player the kid has to commit on the spot,if he wants to visit other schools joe stops recruiting him.joe considers a scholarship offer to penn st an honor,and drops any kid that even considers other schools.the white helmets,the funky shoes,no names on the jerseys,and no man is above the team.joe is a throw-back,and though i love the man,he cannot compete for enough good players to keep penn st on top anymore.the game has passed joe by.richt caught a lot of flack for changing his attitude on the sidelines,but players have changed.any coach that can’t change with them will be left behind.i don’t mean a coach has to sacrifice his morals,and he should try to instill good character in his team,but today’s athlete is different.coachs must adapt or lose.even an old dinosaur like me can see that!

By Dawghead

January 30, 2008 8:41 AM | Link to this

The recruits at Florida should look at the way Zebrie Sanders case was handled. He was told they did not have a scholarship for him, but one week later there is one for Hunter. There math isn’t too sharp. If I was Hunter, I would be doing a background check.

By jakekay

January 30, 2008 9:09 AM | Link to this

You are all a bunch of pansies, led by the pansie captain, CHip.

By God I am a damn Dawg! I want to win EVERYTHING! No way we let the gayturds beat us in recruiting! We deserve the Jamie Newberg trophy!

Dammit, Richt, go out and find a Jimmy Clausen to sign, quick!

By BALLEN

January 30, 2008 9:14 AM | Link to this

I dont get where UGA fans are saying players want to come to UGA and play for titles. Sure, UGA may win the SEC East every so often but a national title hasnt been to athens in over 25 years. There isnt one player on UGA’s roster that was even alive the last time UGA won a national title.

Florida on the other hand….most of the players were being actively recruited by UF…or were already on the team when they last won a national title.

By shane #1

January 30, 2008 11:39 AM | Link to this

ballen,uga has recruited very well,and while still young,came on strong in the second half of the season.the gators on the other hand,folded.many young people think they have a better chance of winning the sec,and a possible bcs championship,at uga.uga and usc were the hottest teams in the country in october and november.it’s tha old story,what have you done for me lately.uf has{finally}added a good rb but will meyer make the changes in his schemes,and more importantly,does he have the personel to make his rb effective? with their best lineman,harvey,leaving,how much can the gators d improve?many questions remain about the gators.

By XXXX

January 30, 2008 12:19 PM | Link to this

BCS Steve: Very good points. The debate on who has the best recruiting class is a bigger waste of time than watching political debates. My point is who cares what an individual player achieves, its what the team achieves that counts. UGA fans get their jollies from discussing where they think they rate recruiting-wise. This enables to forget their failures of last year. At UGA, its always about next year.

By jeff

January 30, 2008 12:59 PM | Link to this

Uh Oh—Notre Dame is now number 1 on the rivals web site. Look for Jabba the Weis to win at least a couple of national titles with this group. LOL

By gt in sc

January 30, 2008 2:34 PM | Link to this

the thing you inbred dawgs don`t seem to grasp is that ugay outrecruits tech every year( for a variety of oft discussed reasons), but they still lose to the likes of vandy, ky, sc, every year. CMR is a classic underachiever with all the talent he gets. natl champs? ha, icant wait to see this blog after your first loss next season.there will be weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth. by the way, what the heck kind of name is knowshon?

By reservoirDAWG

January 30, 2008 2:40 PM | Link to this

nat in sc your post just goes to show what pathetic losers tech fans are.

By reality check

January 30, 2008 2:51 PM | Link to this

XXXX, no wonder you are ashamed to admit what team you support. You are a Tech fan. Just on a hunch I went to the Tech blog and there you are.

You talk about Georgia’s “failures of last year”. In case you haven’t heard, Georgia was ranked number two in the nation last year. Is that how you define failure? Surely you are not so stupid that you don’t know Georgia beat Tech last year. How is that failure? If you insist it is failure where does that put Tech?

When it comes to Tech Georgia fans can indeed be highly confident about beating you next year. But it isn’t just about next year. We’ve beaten Tech so many years in a row I honestly can’t remember when Tech won.

Can another blogger help me out here, when did Tech last beat Georgia? Has it happened this century?

At best you are confused, but frankly it indicates you just aren’t very smart. Do you not understand that criticizing the success of a team that consistently beats Tech further diminishes Tech? Do you not understand that Georgia’s success makes your criticism nothing more than the whinings of a loser?

Most people understand the concept of bragging rights. Tech fans are just so stupid they figure they can ignore the facts. You would be well served to stick to the Tech blog XXXX. Your type of delusion and poor sportsmanship is a better fit there.

By Whitegoat

January 30, 2008 3:05 PM | Link to this

gt in sc, cannot agree with you more. Richt is an underachiever but I think he was playing for his coaching life this past year. The OBC does not have near the talent, but will blister the dogs butts again in Columbia. The hype will stop then. Oh, they might say they are to young. Bleeeeeeeat me!!

By Fort Worth Dawg

January 30, 2008 3:10 PM | Link to this

Chip: Two unrelated questions — Is Danny Ware eligible for a Super Bowl ring and bonus? Kevin Butler left UGA and went right on shortly thereafter to a Super Bowl team. I recall that his Super Bowl bonus at the time was more than at least some of my UGA professors made in a year. I was curios if Kevin did anything special with his Super Bowl bonus at the time.

By D Gelbart

January 30, 2008 4:02 PM | Link to this

Whitegoat and Gamecock Henry, These Gamecock fans would trade anything to go 10-2 next year. You guys do know another 6-6 or worse is coming next year for the Gamecocks. I think they will eventually dissappear after the third game of the season. Gamecock Henry- Luck eh? I think you are just jealous that you didn’t go to the Independence Bowl. Whitegoat-You are wrong again. If you think starting out at preseason 13 and ending at 2 in the polls is underacheiving than you really do not have a clue how polls work. SC has almost zero chance of beating UGA next year. If they do it isn’t because UGA is underachievers it is because anybody can beat anybody in the SEC every Saturday. GT in SC- I am tired of mad Auburn fans or delusional GT fans calling Georgia UGAY or THUGA. If Mark Richt was an underachiever in the first place why does Georgia have mostly 10+ win seasons under Richt? Don’t make up an excuse like: if a penalty never happened 3 of those 10 win seasons wouldn’t have happened. Richt will have more wins than Dooley when he leaves. On other hands Tech hasn’t beat Georgia for so long you have gotten very confused.

By AZ Dawg

January 30, 2008 4:06 PM | Link to this

GTinSC. I think Knowshon is tribal for eight in a row.

By gdawginkalamazoo

January 30, 2008 4:16 PM | Link to this

gt in sc, how is ONV Paul Johnson doing so far? You guys getting any recruits that can make it a game this year?

By shane #1

January 30, 2008 4:18 PM | Link to this

white goat,richt,the underachiever,has two sec titles.s carolina has none,nope,none,in it’s history.uga finished 2’nd in the nation this year,s carolina has never finished second in the sec east.uga won ten games last year,south carolina won six.uga finished strong and won a bcs bowl,s carolina tanked it.richt has brought in a top five recruiting class,so far spurrier is at no 38.spurrier won national and sec chamionships in his 11 yrs at fla,in five years at carolina he has won,NOTHING.come to think of it,spurrier has a losing record against richt.a national championship coach that can’t win his division,and loses to clemson,his in-state rival!btw,since when does not being able to recruit talent make one a good coach?the schools that play for the big one always rank in the top ten in recruiting.usc{the real one},lsu, fla,ohio state,texas,and the other elite programs always recruit well.richt has moved uga into their class,spurrier can’t make it into the top 25!now then,exactly who would you say is the underachiever?

By gdawginkalamazoo

January 30, 2008 4:22 PM | Link to this

AZ Dawg, zing!

By shane #1

January 30, 2008 4:43 PM | Link to this

azdawg,that was funny,i don’t care who you are!do you know what’s even funnier?tech has lost two four star recruits and a pretty good three star lb.now one of the best wr-safety’s in the south and a damn good te have left the team.techies call this making progress!fsu,clemson,and miami are recruiting like crazy and tech thinks they are going to win the acc with a handful of three star recruits and an offense that has been out of date for twenty years!i hate to break it to the north avenue crowd,but both bowdens and all the other veteran coaches in the acc have seen the triple option before.i don’t think they are going to be reeling in confusion!

By JP

January 30, 2008 4:45 PM | Link to this

As a Gator fan, even I think it’s obvious UGA has not only recruited pretty well the last few years, but have added pretty decent coaching to the mix. I think all but maybe 5-7 teams would kill to have UGA’s football program right now.

There is a pretty good chance UGA will win a NC in the next few years, if not next year. If LSU and FL can do it lately, why not UGA?

By Ed

January 30, 2008 5:04 PM | Link to this

The rich get richer. The Dawgs just added Gainesville (GA.) linebacker Chase Vasser to the 2009 commitmment list. He’s decent sized and runs a 4.52. He average something like 13 tackles a game last year and his academics are solid. It’s great to be a Dawg.

By Ed

January 30, 2008 5:21 PM | Link to this

gt in SC:

Richt is a “classic underachiever” every year? Would that be the same Richt who has coached Georgia to two SEC titles, 5 seasons of 10 wins or more, and 3 BCS bowl appearances. The same Richt who led Georgia to a 13-1 season in 2002? The same Rich who just led Georgia to an 11-2 record, #2 ranking, and a Sugar Bowl rout of the only undefeated team at that time? The same Richt who coached his team to wins over Oklahoma State, Alabama, Florida, Auburn, Georgia Tech, Kentucky and previously unbeaten Hawaii with three freshman starting on the offensive line and almost no returning starters on defense? The one with a 5-2 bowl record?

I admit that I don’t grasp that. You got me there. Or maybe you are suffering from UGA-beatdown-derangement syndrome.

By Ed

January 30, 2008 5:35 PM | Link to this

JP, I agree with your thoughts about Georgia’s chances in the coming years, although I would say that Georgia can’t really “win” a national championship because it’s mostly a beauty contest that depends partly on what other teams do that year and whether the pollsters like you or not. The 13-1 season in ‘02 wasn’t good enough. Auburn’s perfect ‘04 season wasn’t good enough, either. But Florida and LSU were awarded NCs this decade with 13-1 records, and LSU just won a NC with TWO losses.

I agree that Georgia will win SEC titles and put themselves into position to be crowned mythical national champs, though. Whether they actually are allowed to play in the BCS title game in any given year is really out of their hands. Take your Gators, for example. If UCLA doesn’t pull off an improbable upset of USC in ‘06, then Florida doesn’t even get a chance to show what they can do, although there was no objective way to measure whether UF or USC belonged in the title game even if USC had prevailed…just like there was no objective way to choose between UF and Michigan that year.

The pollsters decided that they didn’t want an OSU-UM rematch in ‘06, just like they decided they didn’t want to move Georgia up to no. 2 after teams ahead of them lost this year because another 2-loss SEC team with an identical regular season record went to the conference title game and Georgia did not. It’s purely subjective.

The BCS is a joke - too much luck and lobbying involved to crown a true champ. Just win the SEC and I’ll be happy.

By BCS Slave

January 30, 2008 6:23 PM | Link to this

Ed, Amen brother! ANYONE who supports the BC$ either makes their living from it, is a media type, or is someone who doesn’t really care about competition.

As much as I love college football and I love my team, I won’t support the bowl system any longer. I’ll watch my team, but not any other bowl. Until college football eliminates the biased media and coaches from the voting, I won’t tune in.

I figure the bowl system relies on broader audiences than the regions of bowl teams to survive. They need television ratings so I won’t support it by watching any other team but my own.

By DawgsRulz

January 30, 2008 6:29 PM | Link to this

There are plenty and plenty of facts regardin recruiting rankings and on the field success. You guys need to do your research because it’s obvious you haven’t.

http://www.sundaymorningqb.com/story/2008/1/21/1614/43228

This pretty much sums it up.

By Ed

January 30, 2008 7:23 PM | Link to this

BCS Slave, I wish I could say that I will join your boycott of BCS games not involving Georgia, but I love the major bowls too much for that. But the system is a joke.

Consider that a two-loss team played for the title this year against a one-loss team from a down conference, while one-loss Kansas and undefeated Hawaii never had a chance. The snub of Hawaii was obviously the right move, but how does 12-1 Kansas look now after they beat Virginia Tech in the Orange Bowl? Can anyone argue that Ohio State and LSU deserved to be there over them?

Before anyone argues about conference championships, remember that Kansas (like Georgia)finished the regular season tied with the best record in their conference. Under the rules that Ohio State played under in the Big 10 (no conference title game), Kansas would have been co-Big XII champs with Missouri and presumably worthy of BCS title game consideration for those of you that put a lot of weight on that.

That’s another reason the BCS is screwed up: the Big 10 and the Pac-10 don’t have to play by the same rules as the other conferences. Tennessee would have played for the national championship in ‘01 if it didn’t have to play LSU in the SECC game, where they were upset. If they played in the Big 10 or Pac 10 that year and had the same regular season record, then no problem - they go straight to the BCS title game. How can anyone support such a incoherent system?

By BCS Slave

January 30, 2008 9:26 PM | Link to this

Dawgrulz,

Please! One article doesn’t prove anything. It certainly doesn’t prove anyone is ill informed. Actually, I don’t need a media article to make conclusions for me. I can see clearly and can reason well enough that I don’t need some self-serving media type making conclusions for me.

You either work for a recruiting ranking service or you are a sheep. Let me say it again. Ranking talent is not exact science. And your art

By BCS Slave

January 30, 2008 9:55 PM | Link to this

Dawgrulz,

Please, your one article doesn’t prove anything. It certainly doesn’t disprove what many have concluded by simple observation. Judging talent is not exact science. Therefore, ranking recruiting classes is not. Thus we can easily conclude the reliability of such rankings is questionable.

If a team as a great recruiting ranking and then doesn’t perform up to that standard on the field, the coach and school get criticized for “underacheiving”. Could it be that the rankings themselves were flawed? How would we know? Oh wait, of course, for all the employess of rivals, scout, etc….it has to be the coaches or other variables because their rankings are NEVER wrong. LOL.

The mere fact that schools with higher rankings in recruiting end up being ranked higher in the BC$ does not prove there was a correlation.

The one thing that calls into question that the conclusion recruiting rankings predict success in the BC$ is that the BC$ is nothing but a beauty contest itself. The media bias exists, and rivals, scout and the other charlatans who claim to “know” something about talent are part of it. Their “rankings”, despite evaluations of speed, size, and performance in high school, are still subjective. There’s just not that much difference between a couple of tenths of a second in the 40 and there is not that much difference between a 3 and 4 star ranked athelete and a 4 and 4 star ranking.

So Dawgrulz, you are either an employee of the recruiting “gurus” or you are a sheep.

By War Eagle

January 30, 2008 11:44 PM | Link to this

Scout and Rivals favor schools with the largest subscribers. They have always had advance stars to Bama and Florida. It really not much difference in Bama, Florida and UGA, all had banner recruiting year. The players who will make a difference are Will Hill, Florida, AJ Green, UGA. Auburn prize is Ravan Gray, last year signee, qualified through JUCO for 2008.Does UGA have any Grey shirts this year?

By mark

January 31, 2008 1:32 PM | Link to this

I’ve never seen so many posts that don’t get the point. The point is that the difference between #1 and #4 is most likely 1 player. There is no sense getting worked up over the fact that we dropped from 2 to 5 in the recruiting rankings. This isn’t XBOX, you can’t expect to sign 15 5 star recruits!! However, there is a HUGE difference between the #2 class and the #22 class. If you don’t think recruiting is important, no matter what the sport is, you obviously have never coached before.

By steve

February 4, 2008 11:23 AM | Link to this

Forget the number stars If CMR and Co. offer a player, than that’s all I need to know. We don’t need some kid who wants to wait until the last minute and see how many head coaches show up at his doorstep begging him to play. Guarantee you’ll never see CMR doing this. Those are the kids who think their s* don’t stink and then disappoint all. **GO DAWGS

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