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By OfTopic

January 22, 2008 2:21 PM | Link to this

Correct, that doesn’t make them Thugville. By the way, have we hired a new TE coach from FSU or is that just a dirty rumor?

By uga_b

January 22, 2008 2:22 PM | Link to this

I can’t count the number of times I could’ve been arrested in Athens for MIP. You knew it could happen, but you just had to behave and not draw attention to yourself. Maybe next they will bust them for playing Xbox or getting to second base with a girl whose last name they can’t remember. All part of a wonderful college experience.

That being said, I love our stance on discipline and teaching these young men to own their consequences. I think the black eyes for the university stem from assualt and violent crimes, which we have been fortunate to have less of in recent times.

By braveswin

January 22, 2008 2:24 PM | Link to this

Good blog Mr Towers,it’s about time that someone stated the obvious.I do not condone underage drinking and I darn sure don’t condone DWI but to blame this on the coach and label the program as “thugville” is laughable.I do believe the punishment should fit the violation and if CMR doesn’t believe the University policy is stiff enough then he should come down as hard as he pleases on the violators.Overall I think CMR is doing a good job in policing his players but as with everything there is always room for improvement.

By Lovein

January 22, 2008 2:27 PM | Link to this

Just amazing that after reporting these arrests, the AP deems it necessary to revisit the Barns/Chandler incident from LAST JUNE!

By Blackdawg

January 22, 2008 2:30 PM | Link to this

I believe if they had spooned longer and tighter, this never would have happen.

By Brian

January 22, 2008 2:31 PM | Link to this

My thought is that UGA (as well as most of the SEC) is thugville.

By OldSchoolDawg

January 22, 2008 2:43 PM | Link to this

I, too, would like an update on the TE coaching hire.

Also, anything new to report on the four-star OL from Ohio (Zebrie Sanders)? Last I heard, he’d been turned down by both UF and UGA? But I hold out hope that we can find a spot for him, because I don’t feel the Dawgs have enough quality depth at his position.

By reseviorDAWG

January 22, 2008 2:44 PM | Link to this

Kids will be kids, a mip is one thing, but drinking and driving is just plain stupid.

By George

January 22, 2008 2:44 PM | Link to this

clark county jail will be full of all the UGA thugs by the end of the summer. Just one more of many examples why UGA has less class than any institution in the country!!!!!!!!!

By Big Boy

January 22, 2008 2:46 PM | Link to this

TO BRIAN: KISS MY GEORGIA AND SEC REAR END. YOU MUST BE A LOT OF FUN TO BE AROUND.

By Gene

January 22, 2008 2:46 PM | Link to this

When I was a little older than these “kids”, I was an Army Ranger. When a Ranger was involved in any type of incident, whether or not he had started it, the Ranger was immediately transferred elsewhere. These football players are dangerous—particularly when intoxicated. Last summer, a UGA player/thug beat a teenager senseless and urinated on his unconscious body. The Georgia player’s accomplice at Murray State was off the team the next day. In recent years, there have been rapes in the athletic dorm (Tony Coles), cheating incidents, and more player arrests than we will ever know about, plus the worst graduation rate in the conference. If Richt were serious about molding Christian athletes, he would do something about academics and kick some of these dangerous hoodlums off the team. Instead, he promotes unsportsmanlike conduct on the field and winks at drunken driving by suspending players from one meaningless football game. Either Richt is a hypocrite or Michael Adams is running the team like he runs everything else on campus.

By KneeJerk

January 22, 2008 2:47 PM | Link to this

I wouldn’t say thugville, but if I were a UGA fan I’d be getting tired of it. The slap on the wrist is apparently not working, because it happens every offseason. It’s never a question of “if”, but “when” and “how many”. Maybe when one of the UGA players or an innocent bystander is seriously injured, all of the “they’re just kids” apologists will take this problem more seriously.

By BirdMahn

January 22, 2008 2:49 PM | Link to this

College students consuming alcohol? I’m shocked!!! Not.

Brian, What’s your address? I want to send you a quarter so you can buy a clue.

By TDone

January 22, 2008 2:49 PM | Link to this

Mr. Towers, why did you write this article? To me, it sounds like you are once more and again in the corner of the Muttlanders. How can you be impartial, yet be such a homer. YBGSM!!!

You have a job to do, DO IT! And if your job description is to be an apologist for Muttland, then just say so. I guess everyting is OK when one is #1 in a preseason poll.

You people, and that includes you Mr. Towers, never cease to amaze me.

By homer

January 22, 2008 2:50 PM | Link to this

How can you compare UT’s arrests to UGAs? The UT players were dealt with AFTER the facts and AFTER Fulmer got back in town from recruiting. He made it known that he would not punish without talking to the authorities or the participants. They will be dealt with (just ask LaMarcus Coker)You are looney to think that Fulmer is not a disciplinarian. He just doesn’t make rash decisions. To me it seems Richt and UGA are way to forgiving for player arrests. Typically the 10% rule means the players don’t get to play W.Carolina, Ga SOuthern, etc. Plus double check the “arrests” of the 2 UT players and verify if they may miss some time when the season gets here. Write it down and get back to us on that one.

By 'ol dawg

January 22, 2008 2:52 PM | Link to this

If you were ever in college, you did some stupid things if you were in the 99.99999999% of the student population. It happens and will continue to do so. Some are more mature, some are smarter, some are luckier. Some just don’t think. What I want to know is WHY does the AJC continue to run stories for a number of days, when clearly, 24 hours constitute “old news” in most cases. Aren’t there more interesting tales to tell. It’s not selling papers, or ads. It is though, selling shoddy journalism where PRIDE has all but left the “profession”. While I am at it, in cities like Atlanta, college students can commit the same misdemeaners and get lost in the “crowd”, that being the big city, and the police reports with multi-jurisdictions aren’t scrutinized as they are in smaller communities. I truly believe what used to be a terrific sports section and department, has eroded to the depths and is on the way to becoming similar to The National Enquirer. However, the newspaper as a whole will probably collapse before it finally gets to that point. Truly sad.

By Pat

January 22, 2008 2:52 PM | Link to this

Except for the driving with Baldwin, things like Munzenmeier, Barnes and Chandler in a college town used to be funny. Then the drinking age went to 21, turning it into a crime. College students under 21 that drink best do it at home and stay there. Not much fun is it.

By braveswin

January 22, 2008 2:54 PM | Link to this

Brian,your thought(if indeed you are capable of thought)is simply incorrect.Each team(football)has approx 85 scholarship players plus a double handful of walk on players.Even if a few get into trouble, the thugville label doesn’t apply unless they are assaulting, raping, stealing or threatening bodily harm.So do tell us how you have gone through your life being perfect.I remember reading about a prefect person but I don’t recall the name Brian in the Bible.You must be one of the kindergardeners that Chip was speaking of

By truth

January 22, 2008 2:54 PM | Link to this

Hey George —- and u sir are a A*!!

By homer

January 22, 2008 2:56 PM | Link to this

OH yea, this just in. UT has another player arrested after a fight in front of the athletic dorm. Sounds like he was trying to make a get away in his car, until he was told otherwise by the police. Fulmer is out of town and will comment and discipline upon the finding of all the facts. Why you may ask does Richt go ahead and discipline? Ok, one his recruiting is complete so he is in town, the other is they have an across the line policy. That can be good and it can be bad.Neither is right, neither is wrong, just different.

By bdixon

January 22, 2008 3:00 PM | Link to this

We have indeed hired John Lilly(spelling?) from FSU as the tightend coach. He is a great coach and recruiter and will only add to the fantastic job that Coach Garner has done here. As for Fred Munzenmeier, I wonder if he was the only person in Athens taken in for underage drinking on Sat. night/Sun. morning??? I doubt it, but God only knows you want read about it in the AJC or anywhere else about the others.

By bulldawgborn

January 22, 2008 3:04 PM | Link to this

Funny thing is, the only reason anyone outside of Athens ever hears about this is the very tool you guys sit here and blog on. The internet… These guys are kids. Before the internet these things happened. Now these guys have to deal with the scrutiny of the entire country instead of just Clarke and the surrounding counties.

By georgiagirl

January 22, 2008 3:06 PM | Link to this

Brian and George, My guess is that your Gay a@@es never got drunk or did any thing wrong in your little Gay life. Now I how does it feel to be called something that you are not. I get so sick of people judging any of these kids for their mistakes. What we have here is people that think that they live in glass house. Well maybe we should throw some rocks you way. People make mistakes, I guess if your child gets in trouble, we should call them a thug. Everyone grows up, but most of us had a GREAT TIME getting here.
Just want to call you a few names since you are judging these kids in the SEC. I think you need to grow up and maybe go to church or something. Are maybe you are a THUG. Grow-ups who act like fools. Sinners talking about other people, I bet your in church everytime the door opens.

I know that kids make mistakes, but they are not thugs. GO DAWGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That’s what wrong with the world today we have to many a@@es like you around to past judgement.

By B.Oliver

January 22, 2008 3:10 PM | Link to this

As a young man at 18 you can vote. You can die for you country but you can not buy a beer. Maybe this is profiling ?? Here is to all 18-20 year olds get out and vote.

By Dave In Tampa

January 22, 2008 3:10 PM | Link to this

Folks this goes on in every College Campus in America. For those that are not Dawg fans think for one moment that your team does not have players doing the same I want what you are drinking.

Yes, I get tired of hearing about stuff like this. It’s an embarrassment to us Dawg folks as it should be if it happens to your school. College athletes are so scrutinized over anything they do. It’s tough, but they need to be held accountable. The overall punishment will be if someone gets behind the wheel and decides to drive. When someone’s life is taken, that person will have to live with it the rest of their life. Ever wonder why in most cases that the driver does not die in drunk driving accidents??? It’s not coincidental.

I just wish these kids would think first.

By georgiagirl

January 22, 2008 3:19 PM | Link to this

You can go to jail, vote and die for your country at the age of 18, but you better not get drunk, because you have to be 21 years old are the these a@@es on here will call you thugs.
College kids drinking, nothing new. Drinking and driving wrong. But does not make you a thug, just a dumb a@@ for doing it, because you could hurt someone else. That part is big time wrong. But calling people thugs that wrong too.

By Mike

January 22, 2008 3:19 PM | Link to this

I’ve followed Fred’s career since high school. He’s a good kid and hasn’t done anything any of us have not done - and didn’t get caught for! Fred just needs to understand that athletes live in fish bowls and they have to hold themselves to a higher standard. I don’t condone what he has done, but tend to cut him some slack - just learn from this …

By NorthFlaDawg

January 22, 2008 3:22 PM | Link to this

Gene:

You do not know what you are talking about, and you have not got the correct, if any, perspective on college life.

P.S. Tony Coles was a basketball player under Harrick several years ago. Now, do you see the lack of relevance?

By Mark Kelly

January 22, 2008 3:25 PM | Link to this

College students being what they are, crazy things are going to happen. Hell, even at Bob Jones University a guy or gal is caught walking on the wrong sidewalk (I’m not kidding) every now and then.

If we’re honest with ourselves, none of us is able to shake off the college knucklehead syndrome, with symptoms often carried into adulthood (ie: political candidate behavior, talk show hosts/guests etc).

College student-athletes live in a very structured world, with limited time off compared to other students. Overall, it’s amazing how few get in trouble, even if it’s public intoxication of driving a scooter the wrong on a street.

Like Chip said, it’s up to the individal coach or university to set a policy and UGA has one of the tighter policies in the SEC and nation. We all like to think our team, church or whatever is on a better moral foundation than someone else’s, but since we’re all human (and have recurring episodes of the knucklehead syndrome) that’s not possible.

So, get a grip, realize the reality of the situation and wait, patiently, for the 2008 football season.

By Leslie22h

January 22, 2008 3:26 PM | Link to this

Football players in a town like Athens (or any other major college town for that matter) are often treated like gods, and some unfortunately have the poor judgement to behave as though there are no consequences for the choices they make.

In the big picture, I believe CMR has done a pretty good job of keeping his boys under control. There aren’t any stories circulating of UGA players being charged with crimes involving theft, drugs, criminal trespassing, or guns (and I hope to God it stays that way).

While I’m not downplaying the seriousness of a DUI, one doesn’t have to look too hard to find similar if not far worse offenses by football players at other schools.

My parents made my life miserable after I got a DUI in Athens my freshman year, but on top of the fine and other restitution he’ll owe the community, I’ll bet CMR makes Baldwin’s life hell at practice for the foreseeable future.

Back in Coach Dooley’s final years as HC, there were some pretty unsavory characters on the team who got arrested for fighting and alcohol. Hell, even Bill Goldberg got suspended (by Dooley) from playing in the Citrus Bowl for testing positive for THC (after just being named as an All-American).

If a single DUI is the worst offense committed by a UGA player this year, CMR has done okay in my book. He doesn’t want thieves and thugs on his team, and he doesn’t recruit them. FSU earned notoriety as the “Criminoles,” and it seemed every year that a handful of players would get in trouble for stupid things like shoplifting.

Of course, Ron Zook got burned when he (at UF) recruited Miami-based thug Taurean Charles, of the “Year of the Bull” documentary fame. Charles got thrown off the team for good after he was seen tossing a beer keg from a balcony and hitting a fellow student with it. To me, that’s far worse than Stafford and Cox’s “Spoon-Gate” episode at Talladega Speedway.

Anyone who wants to call the UGA football team a bunch of thugs because they celebrated excessively against UF or because they danced to a non-lyrical version of “Crank That (Solja Boy),” go right ahead. My feelings won’t be hurt a bit.

By jim

January 22, 2008 3:30 PM | Link to this

Boy did the AJC have fun with this one,They just cant let it go, that young men do stupid things sometimes and get caught. How many days will the AJC keep printing this story, is it that slow in the crime capital of the world that this is all you all have to talk about. Why not talk about all the people that get killed everyday in your sweet little town of atlanta.Young men make mistakes all the time just like the AJC did when they hired Terrance Moore, but you all dont print it in the paper everyday that you screwed up and hired this idiot! Give these college players a break whomever team they play for, they have parents and kin folk that have to read this crap you guys get off on printing and wont let it go.The AJC needs to clean up its own mess before they hammer these young athletes continually each and every day.Another reason I cancelled my home subscription and the subscription to our fire station.

By brandon

January 22, 2008 3:31 PM | Link to this

Mark Richt is more strict than any other SEC coach. Most coaches would not have suspended their players for any games.

By Chris

January 22, 2008 3:35 PM | Link to this

Endangering innocent peoples’ lives is always serious Mr. Towers.

By ron

January 22, 2008 3:36 PM | Link to this

The difference is that other states don’t have a newspaper dedicated to digging up every piece of dirt on the state’s university. We never hear about the other school’s players mistakes because it’s not considered “breaking news” like it is at the AJC when UGA has a player that does something.

Nice try Chip. Hiding this blog under the facade of “it’s no big deal” is as transparent as a piece of glass. You knew this blog would be a feeding ground for every rival fan within 100miles to diss UGA. Congratulations! Job well done.

By alohadawg

January 22, 2008 3:42 PM | Link to this

who gives a crap as long as they help us win a conference title next year. Mahalo.

By jferg NC dawg

January 22, 2008 3:45 PM | Link to this

To be honest, it does seem strange to me that “so many” football players get arrested—as far as percentage go. Every year appx 3% of the football team (3 out of 100) get arrested. Yet, no where near that many of my friends were arrested for alcohol related offenses. My question is two fold:

Just wondering…

By Chip Towers

January 22, 2008 4:02 PM | Link to this

First of all, regarding the hiring of a TEs coach, obviously there is nothing official yet regarding FSU’s John Lilly and that’s why we haven’t reported anything yet (though I think Carter may post something today if he hasn’t already. But we’ve been following it closely and we know what’s going on but we just don’t report on rumors, only facts… .

To address some of your remarks on the aforementioned subject …

george: thanks for providing a perfect example of the kindergarteners to which I was referring… .

gene: your points are well taken but you need to be careful about facts versus non-facts. For instance, the walkon football player to whom you were referring was cleared of those charges; and as bad a person as he was, Tony Cole was never accused of rape, two other athletes were and they, too, were cleared of the charges. Obviously you know about freedom and rights being a Ranger and all, so you need to be careful about protecting one’s liberties… .

KneeJerk: I don’t agree with your characterization of “slap on wrists.” That was my point… .

Homer: If you read what I wrote you’ll see I said it’s Fulmer’s prerogative to discipline as he wishes and I joked about the pot incident and the recruit… .

TDone: My job description has nothing to do with being an apologist and I don’t cover whatever this “Muttland” is to which you are referring. Here I’ve merely broached the subject of arrests and discipline for discussion… .

Ron: You’re wrong. Every major college football program is subjected to the scrutiny with which we cover UGA. One thing that works against Georgia and some other programs in smaller towns is, regardless of the police agency (and four cover Athens), all arrests end up at Athens-Clarke County Jail. As reporters, we check the jail log online every day. So when somebody we recognize — a football player or a local politician, etc. — is arrested, we report on it.

By mahalodawg

January 22, 2008 4:05 PM | Link to this

hey jfergdawg sounds like you’re a real loser, i get arrested all the time and most of my friends done some time too. Alcohol consumption is a way to separate the men from the pansies.

By AltamahaDawg

January 22, 2008 4:08 PM | Link to this

TDone, I was wondering who (what hater from a rival school) would be the first to do exactly what CT was talking about and you sir, no surprise, win the contest. Congrats. Your Obsession speaks for itself.

By Dee De Deeee

January 22, 2008 4:09 PM | Link to this

This is so Georgia.

Its a sin to buy a beer on a Sunday.

On the other hand……..

Its cute when our star football players get arrested for drunk driving on Sunday.

By AltamahaDawg

January 22, 2008 4:11 PM | Link to this

Brian and George, even after CT proactively told you would stupid you would look, you went ahead and did it anyway?

By chiptowersdawg

January 22, 2008 4:12 PM | Link to this

Chip i bet you could put Carter in a Figure FOUR leglock before he even blinked at you.

By alan

January 22, 2008 4:14 PM | Link to this

CMR got um out of jail to play at FSU, I guess things haven’t changed. You will know them by their actions.

By NASCARfan

January 22, 2008 4:18 PM | Link to this

If this were Florida, Meyer would have swept it under the rug and no one would have heard about it.

Remember the the Florida player who stole his car out of a impound lot at 4am in the morning?

The owner of the impound lot decided, two days after the fact, NOT to file a police report.

Wonder what changed the man’s mind?

By P-Dawg in Tulsa

January 22, 2008 4:24 PM | Link to this

Good blog. I’m sure now that this has happened, no more kids at UGA will drink underage or make any mistakes. When i was at UGA me nor my freinds ever did anything wrong. We all emulated Wally and the Beaver like those of you who pointed out how thuggish having a beer is. Thanks for the insight.

By Greg

January 22, 2008 4:32 PM | Link to this

To hold any student accountable for their actions is fine.

I never understood why cops arrest students downtown for public intoxication automatically causing them to be bailed out. I long for the day when a cop would help you out without having to have a record for drinking a couple of beers too many (this goes for any student, athlete or not).

The issue of having a downtown filled with bars that cater to student population is the real issue. If AThens-Clark was truly concerned with alcohol related issues and not just generating revenue for the town/county, Hours of operation would be changed, Businesses would be held accountable for serving beyong the legal limit or to underaged customers, and bars would be closed for repeat offenses…but then again that would not help the local tax base.

By AZ Dawg

January 22, 2008 4:34 PM | Link to this

OldSchoolDawg, It looks like OT Zebrie Sanders committed to FSU over the weekend. I would have liked to have him, but I don’t believe we have the spot for him. Now, we just need to hold on to everyone we have.

By War Eagle

January 22, 2008 4:35 PM | Link to this

Here the problem…football off season years back had the same conditions today except more bars, excitement etc. Police knew most all players especially party goers. they would quietly get you home or make arrangements, so problems would not happen.. Today, its jail time for alcohol situations, driving the numbers up from times ago. Most policeman had taxi service numbers in their cars to prevent troubles. the extreme went to jail regardless… Times, understandable, have changed, but athletes will continue to be nabbed, but its part of college life.The only football player from UGA I knew who went to jail, parachuted in a jockey strap only at Panama City Beach during spring break. He was fined $25 and released, he was a friend of mine.

By Mr.Wrestling#2

January 22, 2008 4:37 PM | Link to this

Flagging down a cop car thinking it was a cab—thats just a dang good drinking story.

By GT Stud

January 22, 2008 4:39 PM | Link to this

I’ll tell ya why us GT playas don’t get arrested. It’s tough to get drunk when you have to water down your beer with tomato juice.

but thats the way we like it.

By Merkwurdigliebe

January 22, 2008 4:40 PM | Link to this

This is uncanny. This isn’t the Athens police of my days at UGA. These oinkers are ridiculous!!!

In general the crackdown on FUN is getting out of control in this country. Like everything else… if something bad happens to some individual they go on a NATIONWIDE CRUSADE to change laws and infringe on the freedoms of most people who abide by the rules. For example, we can all thank the Mothers Against Drunk Driving campaigns of the late 80’s & 90’s for radically changing how we socialize in this country. I’m not condoning drunk driving, what I’m objecting to is the knee jerk over zealous reaction of people who are injured, offended or perceived to be wronged. Get over yourselves and stop telling us what we should or shouldn’t do. Next time I see either one of these dudes I’m going to offer them a shot of Tequila!

By Ramblin Wrecker

January 22, 2008 4:47 PM | Link to this

Yes, this happens at every college…but typically to the regular student body, not the athletes. GT has only had one instance of criminal behavior in the last decade and he (Rueben Houston) was dismissed entirely (only reinstated by a court order). I think it says something about your program when you’d be hard pressed to name all the guys who have gotten in legal trouble in the past few years. But I guess for a program that is desperate for some national prominance, you can cut a few corners in the recruiting process and look the other way on some questionable character. I bet you there is a place on eBay already warmed up in anticipation of those UGA national title rings for next year.

By D.Coursey

January 22, 2008 4:51 PM | Link to this

all of the dawg bashers must be little angels..I’ll drink to that…

By Merkwurdigliebe

January 22, 2008 4:52 PM | Link to this

BTW - Whoever pointed out that these athletes of today are under a microscope is right on the money. News travels at the speed of light and with as much attention as college football gets on the Internet you can bet your bottom dollar anything these kids do that is off color will be captured on a cell phone or video camera and posted on the Internet. Damn am I glad I’m not growing up in this era of excess privacy invasion.

By Gator Lou

January 22, 2008 4:57 PM | Link to this

Got Omar Hunter???? WE DO!!!!! WOOO HOOO! Sorry Dawg FANS!!!!! Urban Outsmarts ole Marky Boy!!!!!! Go GATORS!!!!!

By Merkwurdigliebe

January 22, 2008 5:04 PM | Link to this

Ramblin Wrecker- Don’t even begin to FOOL yourself. You’d give your left ear to have our football players, our facilities and our coaching staff. Don’t come on here with your typical GT high and mighty posturing when you recently had the worst academic scandal in Georgia state athletic history. Oh, how quickly you forget when Reggie Ball missed his final Bowl game because of academics.

7-IARB!!!… and counting…

By Really?

January 22, 2008 5:05 PM | Link to this

Ramblin Wrecker- Still bitter about the last 7 years huh? Don’t worry if I was in your shoes I would do the same thing. I too would hate on the Dawgs as much as possible!

By thomas

January 22, 2008 5:07 PM | Link to this

Driving drunk is not a “screw-up.” I was hit and hospitalized by a drunk driver and close family member killed. Dr. Thomas Johnson Class of ‘74

By Gator Lou

January 22, 2008 5:08 PM | Link to this

Sorry guys! still a little bitter about the a$$ beating that your dawgs put on us last year!

By Teeth in Rules

January 22, 2008 5:13 PM | Link to this

To stop all of these embarrasing arrests Coach Richt should make believers out of these YOUNG MEN! People make an excuse that thet are Kids.These are 18 year olds or older that have the right to Vote and have the privilege to have State Driver License. Yes this is College not Highschool! Coach Richt should implement if a player is arrested that that player will not play in the first SEC game and also not play any Championships games and Bowl Games. This would cut out the embarrasments to the University, Team and the Fans!!!!

By Matt Wilson

January 22, 2008 5:14 PM | Link to this

Stop being a homer Chip!! Even I know CMR does not have control over these guys and I’m a 20yr season ticket holder. Same s**, different year!!

By Gator Lou

January 22, 2008 5:20 PM | Link to this

Got Omar Hunter???? WE DO!!!!! WOOO HOOO! Sorry Dawg FANS!!!!! Urban Outsmarts ole Marky Boy!!!!!! Go GATORS!!!!!

By Matt Wilson

January 22, 2008 5:24 PM | Link to this

Did I mention a single 20 year old who would love to meet some single guys?

By braveswin

January 22, 2008 5:30 PM | Link to this

Gator Lou,Congrats on getting Hunter.This whole UGA vs Fla thing is going to be a blast for the next 10 years or so.But do beware, he has flip flopped once already and may do it again.Go DAWGS.Although I don’t get the outsmarts comment,maybe in 2 or 3 yrs it will look like CMR outsmarted Urban. With recruiting you never know…..

By Gator Lou

January 22, 2008 5:32 PM | Link to this

Sorry guys! still a little bitter about the a$$ beating that your dawgs put on us gators last year!

By UGA Grad '73

January 22, 2008 5:32 PM | Link to this

Matt, what is CMR supposed to do??? Make a bed check for all 100+ players each night?? As a 30+ years season ticket holder I can tell you that their isn’t much else he can do.

When is it a players responsibility to keep his a* out of trouble? According to the law, at 18 they are no longer minors & need to be responsible on their own.

Blaming CMR for this crap is just that…CRAP

And Chip - who are you fooling? Aren’t you the same guy that ripped into Stafford for simply hoisting a keg last summer at the race??? My My, you sure have changed your tune…..

By Behavioral Czar

January 22, 2008 5:32 PM | Link to this

Ditto Teeth in Rules! I also think that the NCAA Should get involved with an across the board punishment for the Law breakers!!!!

By Hanging Judge

January 22, 2008 5:49 PM | Link to this

GUILTY AS CHARGED!!! HANG EM!!!!

By Gator Lou

January 22, 2008 5:54 PM | Link to this

Got Omar Hunter???? WE DO!!!!! WOOO HOOO! Sorry Dawg FANS!!!!! Urban Outsmarts ole Marky Boy!!!!!! Go GATORS!!!!!

By Gator Lou

January 22, 2008 6:02 PM | Link to this

Sorry guys! still a little bitter about the a$$ beating that your dawgs put on us gators last year! Also I know that it was Mark Richt who did the outsmarting this year. But as a fellow gator I feel I have to be a sore loser. It is in our nature. But great season Dawgs!

By Buddy El

January 22, 2008 6:04 PM | Link to this

Ramblin Wrecker: Way to go man. If you can’t do it on the field do it in the blog. Goooooooooooo Dawgs.

By DearingStDawg

January 22, 2008 6:04 PM | Link to this

Seeing as I live off Dearing Street and Milledge (where the arrest happened), I’ll keep an eye out for drunken football players in the future…

By TommyP

January 22, 2008 6:09 PM | Link to this

To the GT fans: Your responses are hilarious. Everytime I read one of you nerds taking shots at us, I just smile and think of your faces during last year’s loss to us…and the year before…and the year before…and the….

Homer: Clueless. You’re absolutely clueless. I imagine you’re a UT fan. UT’s policy on drugs is 4 strikes and you’re out. Not on alcohol. Drugs. I believe the way it reads is: 4 strikes for marijuana, 2 strikes for harder drugs like cocaine.

Now…the only time a UT player gets suspended is for one of those “sisters of the poor” games. Same with Urban Meyer. Georgia’s suspensions start from game 1 no matter who we’re playing. (Clemson, Boise, Ok.State…doesn’t matter)

By P Dawg

January 22, 2008 6:09 PM | Link to this

Behavioral Czar, I would like to run a background check on your dumda$$ and see what you’ve been up to, especially when you were 18-22 years old. Get a life idiot and get over the fact that these guys go out and drink and meet girls and that is traditionally part of the college experience. I would be willing to bet you were never any good with the ladies.

By Gator Lou

January 22, 2008 6:09 PM | Link to this

Got Omar Hunter???? WE DO!!!!! WOOO HOOO! Sorry Dawg FANS!!!!! Urban Outsmarts ole Marky Boy!!!!!! Go GATORS!!!!!

By Former Fan

January 22, 2008 6:11 PM | Link to this

This article is the most irresponsible trash that I have seen in the AJC. It is condoning dangerous and illegal behavior with the comment “boys will be boys.” These entitled hoodlums are going to kill someone, and they don’t need understanding and encouragement from the AJC. This behavior is taking place elsewhere to a lesser extent, but I happen to be a UGA graduate, and that is becoming an embarrassment.

By TommyP

January 22, 2008 6:14 PM | Link to this

One other thing, CHIP.

From Carter’s article: Georgia is poised to hire Florida State assistant coach John Lilly as tight ends coach, according to two sources within the program.

And you just got done saying you don’t report on rumors????? Anyone can use the “two sources in the program” line.

Fact is y’all were extremely late in reporting it.

By 1eyedJack

January 22, 2008 6:19 PM | Link to this

Some of you pompous know-it-alls and holier-than-thous posting here; YOU need to get A JOB working with 18-20 year old KIDS. You just try “unlearning” some of the poor life skills, work ethics, and disaffected attitudes these kids have learned. BELEIVE ME it ain’t easy. Don’t blame the coaches and institutions for the failings of our society. I’m sure CMR and Co. are doing everything humanly possible. He has proven that he can administer some tough love. Go DAWGS!!!

By braveswin

January 22, 2008 6:22 PM | Link to this

Gator Lou, Defending Nat Champs don’t have to be bitter about a %^$#@ thing.As a Dawg I don’t like losing to anybody,much less the Gators.But I think I could stand to drink a beer with a Gator with a sense of humor.Here’s to hoping for even more bitterness for you for the next few years.P.S. I hear Hunter is visiting Auburn next weekend…..Just kidding!!

By Former Fan

January 22, 2008 6:28 PM | Link to this

And in case you can’t tell I have never had a sip of alchol before and never been with a women! I am as perfect as it gets never made a mistake in my life. These people who make mistakes in life are all hoodlums. Life isnot about making a mistake. These 18 to 21 year old kids should be perfect angels like me!

By Behavioral Czar

January 22, 2008 6:29 PM | Link to this

P Dawg….. I was Smart Enough to meet the lovely ladies in College in the back seat of my Dads Buick Electra. 18 was the legal drinking age for beer back then too and I also didnt get a free ride to College! Whats Your Excuse Pea Brain?

By braveswin

January 22, 2008 6:32 PM | Link to this

Former Fan,I’m sorry you feel what someone else does reflects poorly on you somehow.However I for one will not miss you as a fan.I’m sure you lead a perfect life now and I’m even more sure you were perfect as a student at UGA.Actually I doubt you ever went to UGA.If indeed you are a UGA graduate YOU embarrass ME.Who made you the enforcer of morals for this university. It’s not like these guys are not being punished.What do you want?Should we shoot them?Call Milton Bradley, I think they still sell Clue.Maybe they’ll let you have one

By Gator Lou

January 22, 2008 6:37 PM | Link to this

Braveswin….. I really hope the braves will win one for ya! Have a Jack Daniels and Coke on me! Its Gonna be a helluva year in the Mighty SEC!!!!!

By Teeth in Rules

January 22, 2008 6:45 PM | Link to this

You people need to understand that these Young men dont want to called KIDS. Some people talk about what society has done to these poor little souls? Well just let it Ride, dont make any waves, put your head in the sand and maybe it will go away.Nobody is blaming Richt, he and Damon Evans and others need to put teeth into Rules so these knuckle heads dont embarrass the University, Coaches and Fans!

By Dawgs Suck

January 22, 2008 6:48 PM | Link to this

Are you kidding me? UGA’s idiot fanbase always making excuses for their idiot players. But I bet you idiots would be the first ones riding LSU or Florida had this happened to two of their players.

By Pewtus Gortsler 65

January 22, 2008 6:54 PM | Link to this

I saw light in the sky while rain pattered on the stone underneath the stark white downspout.The ant hill grew very large next to the mail box post where the Dawg had popped some mudd.People were disturbed!

By mr nice

January 22, 2008 6:55 PM | Link to this

At least these students weren’t using state credit cards for fraud, like the tech folks were!

By Lou Ann Poovy

January 22, 2008 6:58 PM | Link to this

Why Gomer you been a bad boy with your Fanger!

By Really?

January 22, 2008 7:03 PM | Link to this

Dawgs Suck- hey jacka$$ it happens to LSU and UF every year also. And us Dawgs fans are well aware of it. Pay attention to the news idiot!

By Really?

January 22, 2008 7:05 PM | Link to this

Pewtus Gortsler 65- you my friend are a strange person!

By Itstheculture

January 22, 2008 7:11 PM | Link to this

This isn’t a shock and does go on everywhere, but the fact is Athens has turned into one big, alcohol driven town. So just let “these kids be kids” and fall in line with a majority of the UGA students who abuse alcohol.

I’ve seen too many to count……

By Pewtus Gortsler 65

January 22, 2008 7:15 PM | Link to this

Really?….. Thanks for the compliment! There will be more to come.

By AltamahaDawg

January 22, 2008 7:19 PM | Link to this

Wrecker, let me get this right…..by your argument. Munzenmeier was of “questionable character” but UGA recruited him anyway, because the priority of football superseeds good character, and GT would have never recruited or signed him?? Is that what you are saying?

By Really?

January 22, 2008 7:36 PM | Link to this

Pewtus Gortsler 65- can’t wait!

By biggest patsy of the year

January 22, 2008 7:36 PM | Link to this

dogs schedule a patsy early every year so some of your boys can sit. And you guys knowit!

By AltamahaDawg

January 22, 2008 7:39 PM | Link to this

What really stinks of hypocracy is that grown men do very much the same, then want to lecture or blame. Forget the argument about college kids doing what college kids do. College kids are just dumb and careless. I bet if you polled the room, there would be a HUGE percentage of folks would would have qualified under Ga. law as DUI (had they been caught) at some point during the past 5 years.

By RangersAreRednecks

January 22, 2008 7:48 PM | Link to this

Ranger Gene, I’ve spent some time over the years around Savannah and ran into a lot Rangers who thought they were bad asses and just loved to pick fights. So I guess they were kicked out of the army? Sure. Get off your high horse.

By Jay

January 22, 2008 7:57 PM | Link to this

Stricter?

By Dr. Huer

January 22, 2008 7:59 PM | Link to this

So Munzenmaier was only 19 when he drank too much? Not smart, but not thuggish by any means. He didn’t hurt or endanger anyone else. I’m no UGA fan, but let’s cut him some slack. College years are a time of learning, and he’ll learn plenty from this experience.

By jimd26

January 22, 2008 8:02 PM | Link to this

What’s my thoughts?

My’s thoughts are that you you are an idiot!

By Ranger Gene

January 22, 2008 8:20 PM | Link to this

Rangers are dying fairly regularly in recent years. Which war were you in, Bubba? Rangers are booted out of the Rangers for any infraction and sent to other organizations, depending on the circumstance. People in bars who run their mouths and pick fights are seldom Rangers. I have learned over the years that real badasses don’t go to bars and pick fights.

By Brewer for GT President

January 22, 2008 8:47 PM | Link to this

Merkwurdigliebe:

GT had the worst academic scandal in Georgia history? Does the name Jan Kemp mean anything to you? And who could forget the Basketball for Dummies 101 course UGA created for its athletes! What exactly would an athlete have to do to become ineligible at UGA? And a one game suspension for a backup against a I-AA school for DUI is “Swift and Decisive” action! Give me a break… You guy will do ANYTHING to win and it devalues it when you do.

By Voice of Reason

January 22, 2008 8:56 PM | Link to this

This is easily the worst reaction you idiots could have. To say that a DUI is harmless fun as the link on the site suggests is ridiculous. Even moreso is a logical fallacy to say that because others drive drunk it isn’t improper behavior. The fact is myself and too many friends have had loved ones and close friends be injured and/or die as a result from DUI behavior. It is pathetic you would take such an attitude and in my opinion reflects even more poorly on the excuse for a fanbase than anything the players themselves could do. Everyone makes mistakes but to condone mistakes and dismiss them as commonplace is irresponsible.

By Dawgforlife

January 22, 2008 9:06 PM | Link to this

No Dawger wants our kids in the news for trifles such as this, but it could be a lot worse. The Brians and Georges are all lurking in the bushes (hedges) to find fault. The news on these two kids is not news. Everybody, get over it.

By Chip Towers

January 22, 2008 9:10 PM | Link to this

Former Fan: This is not an article; it’s a blog… .

Tommy P: “Two sources” is not a rumor, dude. We don’t make that up. We have very strict guidelines regarding the use of sources at our newspaper. Sources have to be verified and approved by upper management. That said, we’re talking about a tight ends coach here. Not like it’s some huge scoop or something. Everybody has been talking about this guy since the day DJ left for WV.

By Lisa

January 22, 2008 9:33 PM | Link to this

Doesn’t happen at GT!

By AltamahaDawg

January 22, 2008 9:41 PM | Link to this

Brewer. I’m betting you would be hard pressed to even know what the Jan Kemp situation was about (psst, go look it up so you can pretend you did).

Since you dont approve of the policy of 10% suspension at UGA, (oh, and that whole, do anything to win, kick you out of school for your second offence), what is the GT policy for such matters? Any idea?

Voice of reason, that’s all fine, but your point looses its impact if YOU are the one that actually put words in OTHER people’s mouths, then go on to critisize them for it. And what does “excuse of a fan base” even mean? I think we are, in fact, an actual fan base.

By Lisa

January 22, 2008 9:44 PM | Link to this

Chip,

Did you go to UGA?

By DirkDawggler

January 22, 2008 9:51 PM | Link to this

My thoughts? It’s still embarassing and it’s getting old. These kids have a big target on their back, but they represent the University and, like it or not, are NOT typical students.

Hailing a cop car, though. That’s pretty radical.

By reality check

January 22, 2008 10:11 PM | Link to this

So it doesn’t happen at GT Lisa?

How about the linemen who beat up the waiter in the Pizza joint a few years back? That wasn’t an accusation. That was a felony conviction. Tech let them back on the team.

Does the name Reuben Houston ring a bell? Another convicted felon Tech let back on the team.

Name one convicted felon who was allowed to play at Georgia.

By hotrod

January 22, 2008 10:25 PM | Link to this

GENE YOUR AN A*

By reality check

January 22, 2008 10:28 PM | Link to this

Chip, I think it is important to distinguish between an accusation of a crime and a conviction.

When the walk on from Woodstock was accused of the assault misdemeanor last summer it appeared to me it was going to be extremely difficult to convict him of anything. I feel compelled to ask, was his exoneration reported by AJC? If it was I missed it.

It is a fact the legal environment has changed over the years and things are much more strict. Many people are not aware they have the right to refuse alcohol tests unless they are driving, and even then there must be probable cause. If Munzenmeir was in possession of alcohol it is one thing, but if he was not they probably not be able to convict him of anything unless he was ignorant enough to confess or submit to a sobriety test.

By kl

January 22, 2008 10:30 PM | Link to this

chip “im scoring points with the masses” towers!! You reap what you sow, uthuga is miami in 5 years and way to go richt. Yes they are just THUGS who will lose 2 games in sept cause no discipline as always

By hotrod

January 22, 2008 10:37 PM | Link to this

HEY GATOR LOU,ALL THOSE KIDS FROM BUFORD ARE SPOILED BRATS,HIGH MAINTANCE,AND ARE OVERRATED,THEY WIPE THEIR AZZES WHEN THEY POTTY,BUFORD IS THE WORSE “PRIVATE” SCHOOL IN THE STATE TO ILLEGALLY RECRUIT KIDS,HALF THE KIDS ON THAT TEAM SHOULD BE ON OTHER TEAMS THE TRUTH BE KNOWN

By Lee

January 22, 2008 10:38 PM | Link to this

Everybody take a deep breath…

• First of all, they’re not KIDS. They are young adults. The main difference in being an adult is that instead of sitting at the detective’s desk waiting on Mommy and Daddy to pick you up, you are sitting in a cell with Rick the wino throwing up on you and that guy who just stabbed his ex-girlfriend. Oh yeah, your parents don’t pick you up, you have to rely on Bruno the Bail Bondsman. Word of advice, don’t skip out on Bruno.

• Athens/Clarke County relies on the UGA student as their proverbial cash cow. Search “attorney” in the Yellow Pages. Athens has got to have more lawyers per capita than any city in the US. There is a reason for that.

• While I dont agree with DWI’s, if Balwin was underage, the DWI limit drops to 0.02. In certain circumstances, ONE beer could get you busted for DWI.

• Richt is not these boys momma. At some point, they’ve got to grow up. Unfortunately, 3am with a snookerfull of Wild Turkey isn’t the best place to start.

• 20 years ago, Munzenmeier hail a police cruiser, the cop would have laughed it off and sent him on his way. Today, well, you know what will happen today.