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By OfTopic

January 22, 2008 2:21 PM | Link to this

Correct, that doesn’t make them Thugville. By the way, have we hired a new TE coach from FSU or is that just a dirty rumor?

By uga_b

January 22, 2008 2:22 PM | Link to this

I can’t count the number of times I could’ve been arrested in Athens for MIP. You knew it could happen, but you just had to behave and not draw attention to yourself. Maybe next they will bust them for playing Xbox or getting to second base with a girl whose last name they can’t remember. All part of a wonderful college experience.

That being said, I love our stance on discipline and teaching these young men to own their consequences. I think the black eyes for the university stem from assualt and violent crimes, which we have been fortunate to have less of in recent times.

By braveswin

January 22, 2008 2:24 PM | Link to this

Good blog Mr Towers,it’s about time that someone stated the obvious.I do not condone underage drinking and I darn sure don’t condone DWI but to blame this on the coach and label the program as “thugville” is laughable.I do believe the punishment should fit the violation and if CMR doesn’t believe the University policy is stiff enough then he should come down as hard as he pleases on the violators.Overall I think CMR is doing a good job in policing his players but as with everything there is always room for improvement.

By Lovein

January 22, 2008 2:27 PM | Link to this

Just amazing that after reporting these arrests, the AP deems it necessary to revisit the Barns/Chandler incident from LAST JUNE!

By Blackdawg

January 22, 2008 2:30 PM | Link to this

I believe if they had spooned longer and tighter, this never would have happen.

By Brian

January 22, 2008 2:31 PM | Link to this

My thought is that UGA (as well as most of the SEC) is thugville.

By OldSchoolDawg

January 22, 2008 2:43 PM | Link to this

I, too, would like an update on the TE coaching hire.

Also, anything new to report on the four-star OL from Ohio (Zebrie Sanders)? Last I heard, he’d been turned down by both UF and UGA? But I hold out hope that we can find a spot for him, because I don’t feel the Dawgs have enough quality depth at his position.

By reseviorDAWG

January 22, 2008 2:44 PM | Link to this

Kids will be kids, a mip is one thing, but drinking and driving is just plain stupid.

By George

January 22, 2008 2:44 PM | Link to this

clark county jail will be full of all the UGA thugs by the end of the summer. Just one more of many examples why UGA has less class than any institution in the country!!!!!!!!!

By Big Boy

January 22, 2008 2:46 PM | Link to this

TO BRIAN: KISS MY GEORGIA AND SEC REAR END. YOU MUST BE A LOT OF FUN TO BE AROUND.

By Gene

January 22, 2008 2:46 PM | Link to this

When I was a little older than these “kids”, I was an Army Ranger. When a Ranger was involved in any type of incident, whether or not he had started it, the Ranger was immediately transferred elsewhere. These football players are dangerous—particularly when intoxicated. Last summer, a UGA player/thug beat a teenager senseless and urinated on his unconscious body. The Georgia player’s accomplice at Murray State was off the team the next day. In recent years, there have been rapes in the athletic dorm (Tony Coles), cheating incidents, and more player arrests than we will ever know about, plus the worst graduation rate in the conference. If Richt were serious about molding Christian athletes, he would do something about academics and kick some of these dangerous hoodlums off the team. Instead, he promotes unsportsmanlike conduct on the field and winks at drunken driving by suspending players from one meaningless football game. Either Richt is a hypocrite or Michael Adams is running the team like he runs everything else on campus.

By KneeJerk

January 22, 2008 2:47 PM | Link to this

I wouldn’t say thugville, but if I were a UGA fan I’d be getting tired of it. The slap on the wrist is apparently not working, because it happens every offseason. It’s never a question of “if”, but “when” and “how many”. Maybe when one of the UGA players or an innocent bystander is seriously injured, all of the “they’re just kids” apologists will take this problem more seriously.

By BirdMahn

January 22, 2008 2:49 PM | Link to this

College students consuming alcohol? I’m shocked!!! Not.

Brian, What’s your address? I want to send you a quarter so you can buy a clue.

By TDone

January 22, 2008 2:49 PM | Link to this

Mr. Towers, why did you write this article? To me, it sounds like you are once more and again in the corner of the Muttlanders. How can you be impartial, yet be such a homer. YBGSM!!!

You have a job to do, DO IT! And if your job description is to be an apologist for Muttland, then just say so. I guess everyting is OK when one is #1 in a preseason poll.

You people, and that includes you Mr. Towers, never cease to amaze me.

By homer

January 22, 2008 2:50 PM | Link to this

How can you compare UT’s arrests to UGAs? The UT players were dealt with AFTER the facts and AFTER Fulmer got back in town from recruiting. He made it known that he would not punish without talking to the authorities or the participants. They will be dealt with (just ask LaMarcus Coker)You are looney to think that Fulmer is not a disciplinarian. He just doesn’t make rash decisions. To me it seems Richt and UGA are way to forgiving for player arrests. Typically the 10% rule means the players don’t get to play W.Carolina, Ga SOuthern, etc. Plus double check the “arrests” of the 2 UT players and verify if they may miss some time when the season gets here. Write it down and get back to us on that one.

By 'ol dawg

January 22, 2008 2:52 PM | Link to this

If you were ever in college, you did some stupid things if you were in the 99.99999999% of the student population. It happens and will continue to do so. Some are more mature, some are smarter, some are luckier. Some just don’t think. What I want to know is WHY does the AJC continue to run stories for a number of days, when clearly, 24 hours constitute “old news” in most cases. Aren’t there more interesting tales to tell. It’s not selling papers, or ads. It is though, selling shoddy journalism where PRIDE has all but left the “profession”. While I am at it, in cities like Atlanta, college students can commit the same misdemeaners and get lost in the “crowd”, that being the big city, and the police reports with multi-jurisdictions aren’t scrutinized as they are in smaller communities. I truly believe what used to be a terrific sports section and department, has eroded to the depths and is on the way to becoming similar to The National Enquirer. However, the newspaper as a whole will probably collapse before it finally gets to that point. Truly sad.

By Pat

January 22, 2008 2:52 PM | Link to this

Except for the driving with Baldwin, things like Munzenmeier, Barnes and Chandler in a college town used to be funny. Then the drinking age went to 21, turning it into a crime. College students under 21 that drink best do it at home and stay there. Not much fun is it.

By braveswin

January 22, 2008 2:54 PM | Link to this

Brian,your thought(if indeed you are capable of thought)is simply incorrect.Each team(football)has approx 85 scholarship players plus a double handful of walk on players.Even if a few get into trouble, the thugville label doesn’t apply unless they are assaulting, raping, stealing or threatening bodily harm.So do tell us how you have gone through your life being perfect.I remember reading about a prefect person but I don’t recall the name Brian in the Bible.You must be one of the kindergardeners that Chip was speaking of

By truth

January 22, 2008 2:54 PM | Link to this

Hey George —- and u sir are a A*!!

By homer

January 22, 2008 2:56 PM | Link to this

OH yea, this just in. UT has another player arrested after a fight in front of the athletic dorm. Sounds like he was trying to make a get away in his car, until he was told otherwise by the police. Fulmer is out of town and will comment and discipline upon the finding of all the facts. Why you may ask does Richt go ahead and discipline? Ok, one his recruiting is complete so he is in town, the other is they have an across the line policy. That can be good and it can be bad.Neither is right, neither is wrong, just different.

By bdixon

January 22, 2008 3:00 PM | Link to this

We have indeed hired John Lilly(spelling?) from FSU as the tightend coach. He is a great coach and recruiter and will only add to the fantastic job that Coach Garner has done here. As for Fred Munzenmeier, I wonder if he was the only person in Athens taken in for underage drinking on Sat. night/Sun. morning??? I doubt it, but God only knows you want read about it in the AJC or anywhere else about the others.

By bulldawgborn

January 22, 2008 3:04 PM | Link to this

Funny thing is, the only reason anyone outside of Athens ever hears about this is the very tool you guys sit here and blog on. The internet… These guys are kids. Before the internet these things happened. Now these guys have to deal with the scrutiny of the entire country instead of just Clarke and the surrounding counties.

By georgiagirl

January 22, 2008 3:06 PM | Link to this

Brian and George, My guess is that your Gay a@@es never got drunk or did any thing wrong in your little Gay life. Now I how does it feel to be called something that you are not. I get so sick of people judging any of these kids for their mistakes. What we have here is people that think that they live in glass house. Well maybe we should throw some rocks you way. People make mistakes, I guess if your child gets in trouble, we should call them a thug. Everyone grows up, but most of us had a GREAT TIME getting here.
Just want to call you a few names since you are judging these kids in the SEC. I think you need to grow up and maybe go to church or something. Are maybe you are a THUG. Grow-ups who act like fools. Sinners talking about other people, I bet your in church everytime the door opens.

I know that kids make mistakes, but they are not thugs. GO DAWGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That’s what wrong with the world today we have to many a@@es like you around to past judgement.

By B.Oliver

January 22, 2008 3:10 PM | Link to this

As a young man at 18 you can vote. You can die for you country but you can not buy a beer. Maybe this is profiling ?? Here is to all 18-20 year olds get out and vote.

By Dave In Tampa

January 22, 2008 3:10 PM | Link to this

Folks this goes on in every College Campus in America. For those that are not Dawg fans think for one moment that your team does not have players doing the same I want what you are drinking.

Yes, I get tired of hearing about stuff like this. It’s an embarrassment to us Dawg folks as it should be if it happens to your school. College athletes are so scrutinized over anything they do. It’s tough, but they need to be held accountable. The overall punishment will be if someone gets behind the wheel and decides to drive. When someone’s life is taken, that person will have to live with it the rest of their life. Ever wonder why in most cases that the driver does not die in drunk driving accidents??? It’s not coincidental.

I just wish these kids would think first.

By georgiagirl

January 22, 2008 3:19 PM | Link to this

You can go to jail, vote and die for your country at the age of 18, but you better not get drunk, because you have to be 21 years old are the these a@@es on here will call you thugs.
College kids drinking, nothing new. Drinking and driving wrong. But does not make you a thug, just a dumb a@@ for doing it, because you could hurt someone else. That part is big time wrong. But calling people thugs that wrong too.

By Mike

January 22, 2008 3:19 PM | Link to this

I’ve followed Fred’s career since high school. He’s a good kid and hasn’t done anything any of us have not done - and didn’t get caught for! Fred just needs to understand that athletes live in fish bowls and they have to hold themselves to a higher standard. I don’t condone what he has done, but tend to cut him some slack - just learn from this …

By NorthFlaDawg

January 22, 2008 3:22 PM | Link to this

Gene:

You do not know what you are talking about, and you have not got the correct, if any, perspective on college life.

P.S. Tony Coles was a basketball player under Harrick several years ago. Now, do you see the lack of relevance?

By Mark Kelly

January 22, 2008 3:25 PM | Link to this

College students being what they are, crazy things are going to happen. Hell, even at Bob Jones University a guy or gal is caught walking on the wrong sidewalk (I’m not kidding) every now and then.

If we’re honest with ourselves, none of us is able to shake off the college knucklehead syndrome, with symptoms often carried into adulthood (ie: political candidate behavior, talk show hosts/guests etc).

College student-athletes live in a very structured world, with limited time off compared to other students. Overall, it’s amazing how few get in trouble, even if it’s public intoxication of driving a scooter the wrong on a street.

Like Chip said, it’s up to the individal coach or university to set a policy and UGA has one of the tighter policies in the SEC and nation. We all like to think our team, church or whatever is on a better moral foundation than someone else’s, but since we’re all human (and have recurring episodes of the knucklehead syndrome) that’s not possible.

So, get a grip, realize the reality of the situation and wait, patiently, for the 2008 football season.

By Leslie22h

January 22, 2008 3:26 PM | Link to this

Football players in a town like Athens (or any other major college town for that matter) are often treated like gods, and some unfortunately have the poor judgement to behave as though there are no consequences for the choices they make.

In the big picture, I believe CMR has done a pretty good job of keeping his boys under control. There aren’t any stories circulating of UGA players being charged with crimes involving theft, drugs, criminal trespassing, or guns (and I hope to God it stays that way).

While I’m not downplaying the seriousness of a DUI, one doesn’t have to look too hard to find similar if not far worse offenses by football players at other schools.

My parents made my life miserable after I got a DUI in Athens my freshman year, but on top of the fine and other restitution he’ll owe the community, I’ll bet CMR makes Baldwin’s life hell at practice for the foreseeable future.

Back in Coach Dooley’s final years as HC, there were some pretty unsavory characters on the team who got arrested for fighting and alcohol. Hell, even Bill Goldberg got suspended (by Dooley) from playing in the Citrus Bowl for testing positive for THC (after just being named as an All-American).

If a single DUI is the worst offense committed by a UGA player this year, CMR has done okay in my book. He doesn’t want thieves and thugs on his team, and he doesn’t recruit them. FSU earned notoriety as the “Criminoles,” and it seemed every year that a handful of players would get in trouble for stupid things like shoplifting.

Of course, Ron Zook got burned when he (at UF) recruited Miami-based thug Taurean Charles, of the “Year of the Bull” documentary fame. Charles got thrown off the team for good after he was seen tossing a beer keg from a balcony and hitting a fellow student with it. To me, that’s far worse than Stafford and Cox’s “Spoon-Gate” episode at Talladega Speedway.

Anyone who wants to call the UGA football team a bunch of thugs because they celebrated excessively against UF or because they danced to a non-lyrical version of “Crank That (Solja Boy),” go right ahead. My feelings won’t be hurt a bit.

By jim

January 22, 2008 3:30 PM | Link to this

Boy did the AJC have fun with this one,They just cant let it go, that young men do stupid things sometimes and get caught. How many days will the AJC keep printing this story, is it that slow in the crime capital of the world that this is all you all have to talk about. Why not talk about all the people that get killed everyday in your sweet little town of atlanta.Young men make mistakes all the time just like the AJC did when they hired Terrance Moore, but you all dont print it in the paper everyday that you screwed up and hired this idiot! Give these college players a break whomever team they play for, they have parents and kin folk that have to read this crap you guys get off on printing and wont let it go.The AJC needs to clean up its own mess before they hammer these young athletes continually each and every day.Another reason I cancelled my home subscription and the subscription to our fire station.

By brandon

January 22, 2008 3:31 PM | Link to this

Mark Richt is more strict than any other SEC coach. Most coaches would not have suspended their players for any games.

By Chris

January 22, 2008 3:35 PM | Link to this

Endangering innocent peoples’ lives is always serious Mr. Towers.

By ron

January 22, 2008 3:36 PM | Link to this

The difference is that other states don’t have a newspaper dedicated to digging up every piece of dirt on the state’s university. We never hear about the other school’s players mistakes because it’s not considered “breaking news” like it is at the AJC when UGA has a player that does something.

Nice try Chip. Hiding this blog under the facade of “it’s no big deal” is as transparent as a piece of glass. You knew this blog would be a feeding ground for every rival fan within 100miles to diss UGA. Congratulations! Job well done.

By alohadawg

January 22, 2008 3:42 PM | Link to this

who gives a crap as long as they help us win a conference title next year. Mahalo.

By jferg NC dawg

January 22, 2008 3:45 PM | Link to this

To be honest, it does seem strange to me that “so many” football players get arrested—as far as percentage go. Every year appx 3% of the football team (3 out of 100) get arrested. Yet, no where near that many of my friends were arrested for alcohol related offenses. My question is two fold:

Just wondering…

By Chip Towers

January 22, 2008 4:02 PM | Link to this

First of all, regarding the hiring of a TEs coach, obviously there is nothing official yet regarding FSU’s John Lilly and that’s why we haven’t reported anything yet (though I think Carter may post something today if he hasn’t already. But we’ve been following it closely and we know what’s going on but we just don’t report on rumors, only facts… .

To address some of your remarks on the aforementioned subject …

george: thanks for providing a perfect example of the kindergarteners to which I was referring… .

gene: your points are well taken but you need to be careful about facts versus non-facts. For instance, the walkon football player to whom you were referring was cleared of those charges; and as bad a person as he was, Tony Cole was never accused of rape, two other athletes were and they, too, were cleared of the charges. Obviously you know about freedom and rights being a Ranger and all, so you need to be careful about protecting one’s liberties… .

KneeJerk: I don’t agree with your characterization of “slap on wrists.” That was my point… .

Homer: If you read what I wrote you’ll see I said it’s Fulmer’s prerogative to discipline as he wishes and I joked about the pot incident and the recruit… .

TDone: My job description has nothing to do with being an apologist and I don’t cover whatever this “Muttland” is to which you are referring. Here I’ve merely broached the subject of arrests and discipline for discussion… .

Ron: You’re wrong. Every major college football program is subjected to the scrutiny with which we cover UGA. One thing that works against Georgia and some other programs in smaller towns is, regardless of the police agency (and four cover Athens), all arrests end up at Athens-Clarke County Jail. As reporters, we check the jail log online every day. So when somebody we recognize — a football player or a local politician, etc. — is arrested, we report on it.

By mahalodawg

January 22, 2008 4:05 PM | Link to this

hey jfergdawg sounds like you’re a real loser, i get arrested all the time and most of my friends done some time too. Alcohol consumption is a way to separate the men from the pansies.

By AltamahaDawg

January 22, 2008 4:08 PM | Link to this

TDone, I was wondering who (what hater from a rival school) would be the first to do exactly what CT was talking about and you sir, no surprise, win the contest. Congrats. Your Obsession speaks for itself.

By Dee De Deeee

January 22, 2008 4:09 PM | Link to this

This is so Georgia.

Its a sin to buy a beer on a Sunday.

On the other hand……..

Its cute when our star football players get arrested for drunk driving on Sunday.

By AltamahaDawg

January 22, 2008 4:11 PM | Link to this

Brian and George, even after CT proactively told you would stupid you would look, you went ahead and did it anyway?

By chiptowersdawg

January 22, 2008 4:12 PM | Link to this

Chip i bet you could put Carter in a Figure FOUR leglock before he even blinked at you.

By alan

January 22, 2008 4:14 PM | Link to this

CMR got um out of jail to play at FSU, I guess things haven’t changed. You will know them by their actions.

By NASCARfan

January 22, 2008 4:18 PM | Link to this

If this were Florida, Meyer would have swept it under the rug and no one would have heard about it.

Remember the the Florida player who stole his car out of a impound lot at 4am in the morning?

The owner of the impound lot decided, two days after the fact, NOT to file a police report.

Wonder what changed the man’s mind?

By P-Dawg in Tulsa

January 22, 2008 4:24 PM | Link to this

Good blog. I’m sure now that this has happened, no more kids at UGA will drink underage or make any mistakes. When i was at UGA me nor my freinds ever did anything wrong. We all emulated Wally and the Beaver like those of you who pointed out how thuggish having a beer is. Thanks for the insight.

By Greg

January 22, 2008 4:32 PM | Link to this

To hold any student accountable for their actions is fine.

I never understood why cops arrest students downtown for public intoxication automatically causing them to be bailed out. I long for the day when a cop would help you out without having to have a record for drinking a couple of beers too many (this goes for any student, athlete or not).

The issue of having a downtown filled with bars that cater to student population is the real issue. If AThens-Clark was truly concerned with alcohol related issues and not just generating revenue for the town/county, Hours of operation would be changed, Businesses would be held accountable for serving beyong the legal limit or to underaged customers, and bars would be closed for repeat offenses…but then again that would not help the local tax base.

By AZ Dawg

January 22, 2008 4:34 PM | Link to this

OldSchoolDawg, It looks like OT Zebrie Sanders committed to FSU over the weekend. I would have liked to have him, but I don’t believe we have the spot for him. Now, we just need to hold on to everyone we have.

By War Eagle

January 22, 2008 4:35 PM | Link to this

Here the problem…football off season years back had the same conditions today except more bars, excitement etc. Police knew most all players especially party goers. they would quietly get you home or make arrangements, so problems would not happen.. Today, its jail time for alcohol situations, driving the numbers up from times ago. Most policeman had taxi service numbers in their cars to prevent troubles. the extreme went to jail regardless… Times, understandable, have changed, but athletes will continue to be nabbed, but its part of college life.The only football player from UGA I knew who went to jail, parachuted in a jockey strap only at Panama City Beach during spring break. He was fined $25 and released, he was a friend of mine.

By Mr.Wrestling#2

January 22, 2008 4:37 PM | Link to this

Flagging down a cop car thinking it was a cab—thats just a dang good drinking story.

By GT Stud

January 22, 2008 4:39 PM | Link to this

I’ll tell ya why us GT playas don’t get arrested. It’s tough to get drunk when you have to water down your beer with tomato juice.

but thats the way we like it.

By Merkwurdigliebe

January 22, 2008 4:40 PM | Link to this

This is uncanny. This isn’t the Athens police of my days at UGA. These oinkers are ridiculous!!!

In general the crackdown on FUN is getting out of control in this country. Like everything else… if something bad happens to some individual they go on a NATIONWIDE CRUSADE to change laws and infringe on the freedoms of most people who abide by the rules. For example, we can all thank the Mothers Against Drunk Driving campaigns of the late 80’s & 90’s for radically changing how we socialize in this country. I’m not condoning drunk driving, what I’m objecting to is the knee jerk over zealous reaction of people who are injured, offended or perceived to be wronged. Get over yourselves and stop telling us what we should or shouldn’t do. Next time I see either one of these dudes I’m going to offer them a shot of Tequila!

By Ramblin Wrecker

January 22, 2008 4:47 PM | Link to this

Yes, this happens at every college…but typically to the regular student body, not the athletes. GT has only had one instance of criminal behavior in the last decade and he (Rueben Houston) was dismissed entirely (only reinstated by a court order). I think it says something about your program when you’d be hard pressed to name all the guys who have gotten in legal trouble in the past few years. But I guess for a program that is desperate for some national prominance, you can cut a few corners in the recruiting process and look the other way on some questionable character. I bet you there is a place on eBay already warmed up in anticipation of those UGA national title rings for next year.

By D.Coursey

January 22, 2008 4:51 PM | Link to this

all of the dawg bashers must be little angels..I’ll drink to that…

By Merkwurdigliebe

January 22, 2008 4:52 PM | Link to this

BTW - Whoever pointed out that these athletes of today are under a microscope is right on the money. News travels at the speed of light and with as much attention as college football gets on the Internet you can bet your bottom dollar anything these kids do that is off color will be captured on a cell phone or video camera and posted on the Internet. Damn am I glad I’m not growing up in this era of excess privacy invasion.

By Gator Lou

January 22, 2008 4:57 PM | Link to this

Got Omar Hunter???? WE DO!!!!! WOOO HOOO! Sorry Dawg FANS!!!!! Urban Outsmarts ole Marky Boy!!!!!! Go GATORS!!!!!

By Merkwurdigliebe

January 22, 2008 5:04 PM | Link to this

Ramblin Wrecker- Don’t even begin to FOOL yourself. You’d give your left ear to have our football players, our facilities and our coaching staff. Don’t come on here with your typical GT high and mighty posturing when you recently had the worst academic scandal in Georgia state athletic history. Oh, how quickly you forget when Reggie Ball missed his final Bowl game because of academics.

7-IARB!!!… and counting…

By Really?

January 22, 2008 5:05 PM | Link to this

Ramblin Wrecker- Still bitter about the last 7 years huh? Don’t worry if I was in your shoes I would do the same thing. I too would hate on the Dawgs as much as possible!

By thomas

January 22, 2008 5:07 PM | Link to this

Driving drunk is not a “screw-up.” I was hit and hospitalized by a drunk driver and close family member killed. Dr. Thomas Johnson Class of ‘74

By Gator Lou

January 22, 2008 5:08 PM | Link to this

Sorry guys! still a little bitter about the a$$ beating that your dawgs put on us last year!

By Teeth in Rules

January 22, 2008 5:13 PM | Link to this

To stop all of these embarrasing arrests Coach Richt should make believers out of these YOUNG MEN! People make an excuse that thet are Kids.These are 18 year olds or older that have the right to Vote and have the privilege to have State Driver License. Yes this is College not Highschool! Coach Richt should implement if a player is arrested that that player will not play in the first SEC game and also not play any Championships games and Bowl Games. This would cut out the embarrasments to the University, Team and the Fans!!!!

By Matt Wilson

January 22, 2008 5:14 PM | Link to this

Stop being a homer Chip!! Even I know CMR does not have control over these guys and I’m a 20yr season ticket holder. Same s**, different year!!

By Gator Lou

January 22, 2008 5:20 PM | Link to this

Got Omar Hunter???? WE DO!!!!! WOOO HOOO! Sorry Dawg FANS!!!!! Urban Outsmarts ole Marky Boy!!!!!! Go GATORS!!!!!

By Matt Wilson

January 22, 2008 5:24 PM | Link to this

Did I mention a single 20 year old who would love to meet some single guys?

By braveswin

January 22, 2008 5:30 PM | Link to this

Gator Lou,Congrats on getting Hunter.This whole UGA vs Fla thing is going to be a blast for the next 10 years or so.But do beware, he has flip flopped once already and may do it again.Go DAWGS.Although I don’t get the outsmarts comment,maybe in 2 or 3 yrs it will look like CMR outsmarted Urban. With recruiting you never know…..

By Gator Lou

January 22, 2008 5:32 PM | Link to this

Sorry guys! still a little bitter about the a$$ beating that your dawgs put on us gators last year!

By UGA Grad '73

January 22, 2008 5:32 PM | Link to this

Matt, what is CMR supposed to do??? Make a bed check for all 100+ players each night?? As a 30+ years season ticket holder I can tell you that their isn’t much else he can do.

When is it a players responsibility to keep his a* out of trouble? According to the law, at 18 they are no longer minors & need to be responsible on their own.

Blaming CMR for this crap is just that…CRAP

And Chip - who are you fooling? Aren’t you the same guy that ripped into Stafford for simply hoisting a keg last summer at the race??? My My, you sure have changed your tune…..

By Behavioral Czar

January 22, 2008 5:32 PM | Link to this

Ditto Teeth in Rules! I also think that the NCAA Should get involved with an across the board punishment for the Law breakers!!!!

By Hanging Judge

January 22, 2008 5:49 PM | Link to this

GUILTY AS CHARGED!!! HANG EM!!!!

By Gator Lou

January 22, 2008 5:54 PM | Link to this

Got Omar Hunter???? WE DO!!!!! WOOO HOOO! Sorry Dawg FANS!!!!! Urban Outsmarts ole Marky Boy!!!!!! Go GATORS!!!!!

By Gator Lou

January 22, 2008 6:02 PM | Link to this

Sorry guys! still a little bitter about the a$$ beating that your dawgs put on us gators last year! Also I know that it was Mark Richt who did the outsmarting this year. But as a fellow gator I feel I have to be a sore loser. It is in our nature. But great season Dawgs!

By Buddy El

January 22, 2008 6:04 PM | Link to this

Ramblin Wrecker: Way to go man. If you can’t do it on the field do it in the blog. Goooooooooooo Dawgs.

By DearingStDawg

January 22, 2008 6:04 PM | Link to this

Seeing as I live off Dearing Street and Milledge (where the arrest happened), I’ll keep an eye out for drunken football players in the future…

By TommyP

January 22, 2008 6:09 PM | Link to this

To the GT fans: Your responses are hilarious. Everytime I read one of you nerds taking shots at us, I just smile and think of your faces during last year’s loss to us…and the year before…and the year before…and the….

Homer: Clueless. You’re absolutely clueless. I imagine you’re a UT fan. UT’s policy on drugs is 4 strikes and you’re out. Not on alcohol. Drugs. I believe the way it reads is: 4 strikes for marijuana, 2 strikes for harder drugs like cocaine.

Now…the only time a UT player gets suspended is for one of those “sisters of the poor” games. Same with Urban Meyer. Georgia’s suspensions start from game 1 no matter who we’re playing. (Clemson, Boise, Ok.State…doesn’t matter)

By P Dawg

January 22, 2008 6:09 PM | Link to this

Behavioral Czar, I would like to run a background check on your dumda$$ and see what you’ve been up to, especially when you were 18-22 years old. Get a life idiot and get over the fact that these guys go out and drink and meet girls and that is traditionally part of the college experience. I would be willing to bet you were never any good with the ladies.

By Gator Lou

January 22, 2008 6:09 PM | Link to this

Got Omar Hunter???? WE DO!!!!! WOOO HOOO! Sorry Dawg FANS!!!!! Urban Outsmarts ole Marky Boy!!!!!! Go GATORS!!!!!

By Former Fan

January 22, 2008 6:11 PM | Link to this

This article is the most irresponsible trash that I have seen in the AJC. It is condoning dangerous and illegal behavior with the comment “boys will be boys.” These entitled hoodlums are going to kill someone, and they don’t need understanding and encouragement from the AJC. This behavior is taking place elsewhere to a lesser extent, but I happen to be a UGA graduate, and that is becoming an embarrassment.

By TommyP

January 22, 2008 6:14 PM | Link to this

One other thing, CHIP.

From Carter’s article: Georgia is poised to hire Florida State assistant coach John Lilly as tight ends coach, according to two sources within the program.

And you just got done saying you don’t report on rumors????? Anyone can use the “two sources in the program” line.

Fact is y’all were extremely late in reporting it.

By 1eyedJack

January 22, 2008 6:19 PM | Link to this

Some of you pompous know-it-alls and holier-than-thous posting here; YOU need to get A JOB working with 18-20 year old KIDS. You just try “unlearning” some of the poor life skills, work ethics, and disaffected attitudes these kids have learned. BELEIVE ME it ain’t easy. Don’t blame the coaches and institutions for the failings of our society. I’m sure CMR and Co. are doing everything humanly possible. He has proven that he can administer some tough love. Go DAWGS!!!

By braveswin

January 22, 2008 6:22 PM | Link to this

Gator Lou, Defending Nat Champs don’t have to be bitter about a %^$#@ thing.As a Dawg I don’t like losing to anybody,much less the Gators.But I think I could stand to drink a beer with a Gator with a sense of humor.Here’s to hoping for even more bitterness for you for the next few years.P.S. I hear Hunter is visiting Auburn next weekend…..Just kidding!!

By Former Fan

January 22, 2008 6:28 PM | Link to this

And in case you can’t tell I have never had a sip of alchol before and never been with a women! I am as perfect as it gets never made a mistake in my life. These people who make mistakes in life are all hoodlums. Life isnot about making a mistake. These 18 to 21 year old kids should be perfect angels like me!

By Behavioral Czar

January 22, 2008 6:29 PM | Link to this

P Dawg….. I was Smart Enough to meet the lovely ladies in College in the back seat of my Dads Buick Electra. 18 was the legal drinking age for beer back then too and I also didnt get a free ride to College! Whats Your Excuse Pea Brain?

By braveswin

January 22, 2008 6:32 PM | Link to this

Former Fan,I’m sorry you feel what someone else does reflects poorly on you somehow.However I for one will not miss you as a fan.I’m sure you lead a perfect life now and I’m even more sure you were perfect as a student at UGA.Actually I doubt you ever went to UGA.If indeed you are a UGA graduate YOU embarrass ME.Who made you the enforcer of morals for this university. It’s not like these guys are not being punished.What do you want?Should we shoot them?Call Milton Bradley, I think they still sell Clue.Maybe they’ll let you have one

By Gator Lou

January 22, 2008 6:37 PM | Link to this

Braveswin….. I really hope the braves will win one for ya! Have a Jack Daniels and Coke on me! Its Gonna be a helluva year in the Mighty SEC!!!!!

By Teeth in Rules

January 22, 2008 6:45 PM | Link to this

You people need to understand that these Young men dont want to called KIDS. Some people talk about what society has done to these poor little souls? Well just let it Ride, dont make any waves, put your head in the sand and maybe it will go away.Nobody is blaming Richt, he and Damon Evans and others need to put teeth into Rules so these knuckle heads dont embarrass the University, Coaches and Fans!

By Dawgs Suck

January 22, 2008 6:48 PM | Link to this

Are you kidding me? UGA’s idiot fanbase always making excuses for their idiot players. But I bet you idiots would be the first ones riding LSU or Florida had this happened to two of their players.

By Pewtus Gortsler 65

January 22, 2008 6:54 PM | Link to this

I saw light in the sky while rain pattered on the stone underneath the stark white downspout.The ant hill grew very large next to the mail box post where the Dawg had popped some mudd.People were disturbed!

By mr nice

January 22, 2008 6:55 PM | Link to this

At least these students weren’t using state credit cards for fraud, like the tech folks were!

By Lou Ann Poovy

January 22, 2008 6:58 PM | Link to this

Why Gomer you been a bad boy with your Fanger!

By Really?

January 22, 2008 7:03 PM | Link to this

Dawgs Suck- hey jacka$$ it happens to LSU and UF every year also. And us Dawgs fans are well aware of it. Pay attention to the news idiot!

By Really?

January 22, 2008 7:05 PM | Link to this

Pewtus Gortsler 65- you my friend are a strange person!

By Itstheculture

January 22, 2008 7:11 PM | Link to this

This isn’t a shock and does go on everywhere, but the fact is Athens has turned into one big, alcohol driven town. So just let “these kids be kids” and fall in line with a majority of the UGA students who abuse alcohol.

I’ve seen too many to count……

By Pewtus Gortsler 65

January 22, 2008 7:15 PM | Link to this

Really?….. Thanks for the compliment! There will be more to come.

By AltamahaDawg

January 22, 2008 7:19 PM | Link to this

Wrecker, let me get this right…..by your argument. Munzenmeier was of “questionable character” but UGA recruited him anyway, because the priority of football superseeds good character, and GT would have never recruited or signed him?? Is that what you are saying?

By Really?

January 22, 2008 7:36 PM | Link to this

Pewtus Gortsler 65- can’t wait!

By biggest patsy of the year

January 22, 2008 7:36 PM | Link to this

dogs schedule a patsy early every year so some of your boys can sit. And you guys knowit!

By AltamahaDawg

January 22, 2008 7:39 PM | Link to this

What really stinks of hypocracy is that grown men do very much the same, then want to lecture or blame. Forget the argument about college kids doing what college kids do. College kids are just dumb and careless. I bet if you polled the room, there would be a HUGE percentage of folks would would have qualified under Ga. law as DUI (had they been caught) at some point during the past 5 years.

By RangersAreRednecks

January 22, 2008 7:48 PM | Link to this

Ranger Gene, I’ve spent some time over the years around Savannah and ran into a lot Rangers who thought they were bad asses and just loved to pick fights. So I guess they were kicked out of the army? Sure. Get off your high horse.

By Jay

January 22, 2008 7:57 PM | Link to this

Stricter?

By Dr. Huer

January 22, 2008 7:59 PM | Link to this

So Munzenmaier was only 19 when he drank too much? Not smart, but not thuggish by any means. He didn’t hurt or endanger anyone else. I’m no UGA fan, but let’s cut him some slack. College years are a time of learning, and he’ll learn plenty from this experience.

By jimd26

January 22, 2008 8:02 PM | Link to this

What’s my thoughts?

My’s thoughts are that you you are an idiot!

By Ranger Gene

January 22, 2008 8:20 PM | Link to this

Rangers are dying fairly regularly in recent years. Which war were you in, Bubba? Rangers are booted out of the Rangers for any infraction and sent to other organizations, depending on the circumstance. People in bars who run their mouths and pick fights are seldom Rangers. I have learned over the years that real badasses don’t go to bars and pick fights.

By Brewer for GT President

January 22, 2008 8:47 PM | Link to this

Merkwurdigliebe:

GT had the worst academic scandal in Georgia history? Does the name Jan Kemp mean anything to you? And who could forget the Basketball for Dummies 101 course UGA created for its athletes! What exactly would an athlete have to do to become ineligible at UGA? And a one game suspension for a backup against a I-AA school for DUI is “Swift and Decisive” action! Give me a break… You guy will do ANYTHING to win and it devalues it when you do.

By Voice of Reason

January 22, 2008 8:56 PM | Link to this

This is easily the worst reaction you idiots could have. To say that a DUI is harmless fun as the link on the site suggests is ridiculous. Even moreso is a logical fallacy to say that because others drive drunk it isn’t improper behavior. The fact is myself and too many friends have had loved ones and close friends be injured and/or die as a result from DUI behavior. It is pathetic you would take such an attitude and in my opinion reflects even more poorly on the excuse for a fanbase than anything the players themselves could do. Everyone makes mistakes but to condone mistakes and dismiss them as commonplace is irresponsible.

By Dawgforlife

January 22, 2008 9:06 PM | Link to this

No Dawger wants our kids in the news for trifles such as this, but it could be a lot worse. The Brians and Georges are all lurking in the bushes (hedges) to find fault. The news on these two kids is not news. Everybody, get over it.

By Chip Towers

January 22, 2008 9:10 PM | Link to this

Former Fan: This is not an article; it’s a blog… .

Tommy P: “Two sources” is not a rumor, dude. We don’t make that up. We have very strict guidelines regarding the use of sources at our newspaper. Sources have to be verified and approved by upper management. That said, we’re talking about a tight ends coach here. Not like it’s some huge scoop or something. Everybody has been talking about this guy since the day DJ left for WV.

By Lisa

January 22, 2008 9:33 PM | Link to this

Doesn’t happen at GT!

By AltamahaDawg

January 22, 2008 9:41 PM | Link to this

Brewer. I’m betting you would be hard pressed to even know what the Jan Kemp situation was about (psst, go look it up so you can pretend you did).

Since you dont approve of the policy of 10% suspension at UGA, (oh, and that whole, do anything to win, kick you out of school for your second offence), what is the GT policy for such matters? Any idea?

Voice of reason, that’s all fine, but your point looses its impact if YOU are the one that actually put words in OTHER people’s mouths, then go on to critisize them for it. And what does “excuse of a fan base” even mean? I think we are, in fact, an actual fan base.

By Lisa

January 22, 2008 9:44 PM | Link to this

Chip,

Did you go to UGA?

By DirkDawggler

January 22, 2008 9:51 PM | Link to this

My thoughts? It’s still embarassing and it’s getting old. These kids have a big target on their back, but they represent the University and, like it or not, are NOT typical students.

Hailing a cop car, though. That’s pretty radical.

By reality check

January 22, 2008 10:11 PM | Link to this

So it doesn’t happen at GT Lisa?

How about the linemen who beat up the waiter in the Pizza joint a few years back? That wasn’t an accusation. That was a felony conviction. Tech let them back on the team.

Does the name Reuben Houston ring a bell? Another convicted felon Tech let back on the team.

Name one convicted felon who was allowed to play at Georgia.

By hotrod

January 22, 2008 10:25 PM | Link to this

GENE YOUR AN A*

By reality check

January 22, 2008 10:28 PM | Link to this

Chip, I think it is important to distinguish between an accusation of a crime and a conviction.

When the walk on from Woodstock was accused of the assault misdemeanor last summer it appeared to me it was going to be extremely difficult to convict him of anything. I feel compelled to ask, was his exoneration reported by AJC? If it was I missed it.

It is a fact the legal environment has changed over the years and things are much more strict. Many people are not aware they have the right to refuse alcohol tests unless they are driving, and even then there must be probable cause. If Munzenmeir was in possession of alcohol it is one thing, but if he was not they probably not be able to convict him of anything unless he was ignorant enough to confess or submit to a sobriety test.

By kl

January 22, 2008 10:30 PM | Link to this

chip “im scoring points with the masses” towers!! You reap what you sow, uthuga is miami in 5 years and way to go richt. Yes they are just THUGS who will lose 2 games in sept cause no discipline as always

By hotrod

January 22, 2008 10:37 PM | Link to this

HEY GATOR LOU,ALL THOSE KIDS FROM BUFORD ARE SPOILED BRATS,HIGH MAINTANCE,AND ARE OVERRATED,THEY WIPE THEIR AZZES WHEN THEY POTTY,BUFORD IS THE WORSE “PRIVATE” SCHOOL IN THE STATE TO ILLEGALLY RECRUIT KIDS,HALF THE KIDS ON THAT TEAM SHOULD BE ON OTHER TEAMS THE TRUTH BE KNOWN

By Lee

January 22, 2008 10:38 PM | Link to this

Everybody take a deep breath…

• First of all, they’re not KIDS. They are young adults. The main difference in being an adult is that instead of sitting at the detective’s desk waiting on Mommy and Daddy to pick you up, you are sitting in a cell with Rick the wino throwing up on you and that guy who just stabbed his ex-girlfriend. Oh yeah, your parents don’t pick you up, you have to rely on Bruno the Bail Bondsman. Word of advice, don’t skip out on Bruno.

• Athens/Clarke County relies on the UGA student as their proverbial cash cow. Search “attorney” in the Yellow Pages. Athens has got to have more lawyers per capita than any city in the US. There is a reason for that.

• While I dont agree with DWI’s, if Balwin was underage, the DWI limit drops to 0.02. In certain circumstances, ONE beer could get you busted for DWI.

• Richt is not these boys momma. At some point, they’ve got to grow up. Unfortunately, 3am with a snookerfull of Wild Turkey isn’t the best place to start.

• 20 years ago, Munzenmeier hail a police cruiser, the cop would have laughed it off and sent him on his way. Today, well, you know what will happen today.

• When your teenager starts to drive and especially when they head off to college, I would suggest paying the money to sit down with a lawyer and let him explain to them exactly what to do in the event they meet the long arm of the law. Know your rights. If you’re under 21 and you admit to drinking a beer, you just gave the cop reason to pop you with Minor in Possession. Almost all cops are wired for sound and you just confessed.

Last but not least, play smart.

By reality check

January 22, 2008 10:43 PM | Link to this

George!!!

Where have you been? There are several of us who wanted to take you up on the bet you posted on Furman Bisher’s blog. You know, the really stupid one where you would give 100 to 1 odds Georgia would lose 2 games before October and we could bet all we want.

Several of us said we wanted $1000 of that action if you could come up with enough substance to hold up your end and a responsible party to hold the money.

How about it George? Do you really want to put money where your mouth is or are you just jealous of the Dawgs and running your mouth?

It is okay for you to admit it is a really stupid bet and you were just using a little poetic license to irritate Georgia fans. It is also okay for you to admit you don’t have the resources to cover such a stupid bet. Just let everybody know what your deal is and what team you actually support.

Or go away and stay away.

By reality check

January 22, 2008 10:53 PM | Link to this

Gene, I am still laughing about what you had to say about Rangers. It really explains a lot.

I was in the Marine Corps. We were expected to start stuff. And finish it.

By Chip Towers

January 22, 2008 11:03 PM | Link to this

Voice of Reason: I agree with you completely. A DUI is not “harmless fun.” The truth is, us reporters don’t write the headlines but I’ve asked them to change that one. That certainly wasn’t the intent here. Like I said in original blog, “there’s nothing funny about that.” My intention with this blog was to spur a discussion about the actions of college athletes and discipline. For the most that that’s what we’ve had here. Thanks for all the thoughtful and intelligent posts. Let’s blog on!

By reality check

January 22, 2008 11:08 PM | Link to this

Altamaha, lay off Brewer. He obviously isn’t the brightest candle on the cake, but having him around can provide some entertainment until spring practice.

He (she?) is obviously a Tech fan who doesn’t understand Georgia got in no trouble over the deal because no NCAA rule was violated, but the geniuses at Tech lost more than 10 players 4 years ago to the “Jan Kemp rule” the NCAA put in about academic progress.

To me that ranks right up there with the 1980 Tech/Notre Dame game for irony. The fact Tech was able to hold Notre Dame to a tie was amazing! Tech lost every other game that year. The tie elevated Georgia to number one. And Tech still didn’t win!

Now some Tech dufus will come on here and brag about how that allowed Georgia to become National Champion. Watch.

By reality check

January 22, 2008 11:42 PM | Link to this

Chip, since you are monitoring this but haven’t reponded to my earlier blog I will repeat, it is very important to distinguish between an accusation and a conviction.

Georgia has had many athletes accused of things and those things invariably wind up being reported and, but often there is inadequate legal basis and no conviction. I would argue the AJC has a moral obligation to clear the name of athletes when they are exonerated after their names and accusations have been published.

Do you agree?

Was the exoneration of the lineman from Woodstock reported by AJC, and if so to what degree? I never saw it.

By The Dalai llama

January 22, 2008 11:46 PM | Link to this

when one makes a mistake many pile on personally remember your worst moment then have empathy we are all human show empathy it will set u free

By Jim

January 23, 2008 12:06 AM | Link to this

Only one real way to put a stop to this under-age drinking but it will not happen. Coach: “If you’re on this team and think you need to drink, the whole team pays.” “Get caught and we start pratice at 5am, drink Jack til 6, and run gassers til noon.” Only take one time to get the message load and clear!!!!

By maury Povich

January 23, 2008 12:32 AM | Link to this

Uga needs to fire Richt and hire caoch Proust from Hoover Hig Alabama he wins and loves administrators

By Chip Towers

January 23, 2008 1:02 AM | Link to this

reality check: I’m not ignoring your question I just don’t have the answer yet. I’ve checked our internal archives and so far I have been unable to find a story in which we reported that Tripp Taylor, the player in question, had been cleared. That doesn’t mean we didn’t report that and, to be honest with you, I’m not sure that he WAS cleared. For whatever reason I seem to recall that was the outcome but I can’t swear to it. His actual arrest was not reported in sports but by one of our cops reporters. After that I can only see it referenced in stories we did about the number of arrests that year. But rest assured, I’m going to get to the bottom of this… . And to answer your other question, yes, I agree we should report if an accused/charged person is exonerated. Absolutely… . Signing off for now but I’ll follow up.

By ole ball coach

January 23, 2008 1:46 AM | Link to this

coach proust is the answer 2 a days was awesome I learned how to tap administrators for help or head

By shane #1

January 23, 2008 4:20 AM | Link to this

gene,with all due respect,i must disagree with your post.why would you compare two more or less typical college students to an elite military unit?most typical army recruits do not become airborn rangers,correct?if they did the rangers would not be an elite unit.how does this relate to a third string fb and a special teams player on a college football team?richt could take the easy way out and kick both boys off the team.then he could use their scholarships to sign better athletes.however,richt’s duty is to the young men in his care.he cannot just throw them away because they made a mistake!

By mike

January 23, 2008 7:00 AM | Link to this

while i understand the gist of your piece, i take exception with the “THEY’RE KIDS” title. regardless of whether they’re a student athlete or not, twenty-one year old “kids” are just as deadly when inebriated behind the wheel of a car as a 45 year old bona fide drunk. so, let’s not put an asterisk beside the seriousness of drunk driving because an ADULT chooses to risk the lives of themselves and others for NO reason!

By Whistlebritches

January 23, 2008 7:04 AM | Link to this

I don’t care what goes on at every college campus in America. I have never been arrested and don’t have any friends that I know of that have been arrested aside from maybe one. 18 and 19 is not a kid, that’s a man who can fight for his country. Just because you’re young doesn’t make you stupid. Every college does seem to have these issues, but it’s how you handle them. You do have to handle them internally, but as a former coach and AD, there is nothing more effective than playing time.

By gthog61

January 23, 2008 7:30 AM | Link to this

Are we going to get another “Aw shucks they’re just kids” post when one of them kills somebody while driving drunk?

By I'm a kid --I'm not responsible

January 23, 2008 7:54 AM | Link to this

This has got to be the most irresponsible blog that I have ever read. Let’s condone kids being out at three in the morning —drunk —standing in the middle of the road flagging down a police vehicle that was mistaken for a taxi. First off —a person has to be fairly intoxicated to make that mistake.

Listen up —you’re an athlete at UGA, and with that come resposibilities —behavior in public being one of them. These guys don’t mind the accolades that come their way for their on-field accomplishments —so they have to understand that their off-field stupidity is going to be magnified in the public eye.

This really is the worst and most irresponsible blog ever written. And to those of you who seem to be condoning this behavior —simply because these players wear the red and black— are pathetic.

Mark UGA Class of ‘89

By Ramblor

January 23, 2008 8:01 AM | Link to this

Just love the excuses, Chip. You fit in well with this group. Nice to see the AJC taking up for a school.

By oldfaithfuldawg

January 23, 2008 8:08 AM | Link to this

It has nothing to do with being an athlete, or a thug,or anything else similar. It has to do with being young and stupid at times. The only reason it’s news is because it happens to be a GA football player. The same thing could and would happen at any other institution that lives in a fishbowl small town. We don’t condone it, and we wish it didn’t happen here or any place else, but college kids are going to drink and sometimes, drink too much. It’s all old news since the beginning of higher education and getting away from home.

By Swiftie

January 23, 2008 8:14 AM | Link to this

GeorgiaGirl - you sound like you are loaded with class. If you are smart enough to read your post, you are preaching against what you are doing.

By kemosabi

January 23, 2008 8:24 AM | Link to this

Chip you’re an enabler. Its people like you, with your “They’re Just Kids” attitude, that let these kids think it is acceptable to get drunk and make fools of themselves or worse. I’m a graduate of UGA who worked and paid my way through and managed not to get arrested while I was there. These kids have the world by the tail and don’t even realize it. As scholarship athletes, their education is paid for and they have the privilege of playing for one of the best football programs in the country. You would think the least they could do is keep their noses clean in return for the opportunity.

By Ed Tolley

January 23, 2008 8:25 AM | Link to this

Ah yes…it’s the UGA off season. Got my new pool put in last year. This year I think I’ll plan on a new Mazerati. Boys will be boys.

By Swfter

January 23, 2008 8:29 AM | Link to this

oldfaithfuldawg - where is this place of higher education you are talking about?

By Teeth in Rules

January 23, 2008 8:33 AM | Link to this

shane #1….. maybe its time to send a message to student athletes that gets highly intoxicated and making very poor choices in breaking rules.Richt cant be their Momma but he can implement some hard fast rules and if broken then serious consequences will be handed down. Throwing them off the team would be too harsh depending on the infraction, however not playing in a SEC game , champioship and a bowl game may get their attention. BTW Chip and others, we shall disagree that they are KIDS. These are young men and women who are student athletes representing the University of Georgia. If rules are broken their should be no flipant attitude that its because of ones age. No matter if its the star RB or QB the rules applies to everyone. Yes their are gonna be slip ups but the trend is ever growing in all sports and a slap on the wrist is simply not getting the attention of these students.

By ron

January 23, 2008 8:41 AM | Link to this

Mark, I’m surprised that so few responses have taken your stand here. It is absolutely unacceptable to condone behavior like this in a public forum. Underage drinking and DWI is a serious worry for this father. Mr. Towers, would you want your child in the car or even on the road with the drunk driver??

By XXXX

January 23, 2008 8:57 AM | Link to this

Whats wrong with a little roudiness among thugs. Right ? My bet is that there will be 10 more arrests before feetball season. Adams had no intention of changing the BCS process. He dosen’t have the clout. He was only trying to appease the UGA trailer fans.

By Cow Horns Hook

January 23, 2008 9:01 AM | Link to this

The College Expeience of underage drinking and consesual sex. Yes it happens but one must understand it has an adult responsibilty .Underage drinking is against the LAW. Sex(without precautions) can result in pregnancy and yes the responsibilty of a child.If your gonna make Adult CHOICES then Adult RESPONSIBILITIES comes with it! Illegal Drugs ARE against the Law and if one is caught then cosequences will be applied.The College experience also includes being responsible and that highschool is over!

By Big ED

January 23, 2008 9:10 AM | Link to this

It doesn’t matter what the offense, (rape, murder, drugs, or drinking) the punishment is the same. Players have to sit out one meaningless game against a no-name opponent. No wonder there is a discipline problem at UGA. This lack of discipline will be the undoing of Mark Richt. He not their mother, but he had better start being the head coach and getting rid of the bad apples.

By reality check

January 23, 2008 9:30 AM | Link to this

Thanks, Chip. I figured that was the case.

I don’t think I have ever mentioned it on this blog, but after I got out of the Marine Corps and before I started grad school I was a City of Atlanta policeman. It would be fair to say I have very traditional and conservative values.

My perspective is that the Athens police have become so much more strict over the years to the point they are frequently over the top and make arrests when a warning is more appropriate.

Most, if not all, of the doctors, lawyers, judges and businessmen who were my friends at Emory, Georgia, and yes, Tech, would have been arrested many times if the standards of today had been in effect back then. And I would have been right there with them.

By MIKE S.

January 23, 2008 9:32 AM | Link to this

Well as the father of a former UGA student-now graduate was always a father’s fear-not the drinking part, but harm that could come from it. It is college for goodness sake all academics aside-time for growing up and doing things that for good or worse will help in your growing up. Some of us get on a high horse-but could we say we did not do the same stuff and for sure luck did not get caught! UGA far from a “thug” school. We have pro sports for that. ” “

By shane #1

January 23, 2008 9:58 AM | Link to this

i am all for punishment for all that slip up at uga or anywhere else.suspensions are called for and have been handed down.but let’s be honest when it comes to taking away playing time,these guys aren’t going to miss much,since they are buried on the depth chart anyway.maybe some extra wind sprints after practice will get their attention.the hard truth for both young men is that when you are on a team with uga’s talent and you are third string or lower as a player you need to do everything possible to impress the coachs in a GOOD way.screw up and you have just buried yourself even deeper,go back to the end of the line men,and start over!

By Gen Neyland

January 23, 2008 10:05 AM | Link to this

Let us wisened ones of years and knowledge behind us, side with the experiences of our youth. We shall cast stones or not. When we research the archives of our personal youthful exploits, we were fools. These kids are being foolish. Thugs..? No…Atop Rocky, Fulmer got his team out of bed Tuesday at 0600 hrs to run in sub-freezing temps courtesy of Vereen…bet that bought the love and understanding for Vereen amongst the guys…Community service along with drug rehab may seem glib compared to game suspensions, but if you ask Coker, it’s strike one in a game of two stikes and you’re out…

By AltamahaDawg

January 23, 2008 10:22 AM | Link to this

Yes Ron, DUI is serious and thats why they pass laws against it and arrest folks who break the law. See?Not sure anyone doesn’t get that.

Towers blog is about the huge over-simplification that idiot rival posters make about it, for the sole purpose of insulting the entire football team/coaches/University and ultimately anyone who is a UGA fan.

Yea, I’m sure Chip Towers was hoping some harm would come to your child.

By trademe

January 23, 2008 10:29 AM | Link to this

My humble opinion is that if this were any other student, (non-athlete) chances are, you probably would not hear about this at all. What I would like to know is this. What is the number of Students that are arrested for issues like this at Major universities. If we are going to address the real issue, don’t single out athletes. Measure the student body as a whole, and let’s watch the jaws drop. I am so sick of over zealous media hyping up stories that are not worthy of ink. Get off my jock!!! (literally!)

By Quincy Carter

January 23, 2008 10:31 AM | Link to this

Oh, lawd. If only you folk knew what kind of stuff I got away with when I played for the Georgia College Bulldogs.

By .

January 23, 2008 10:33 AM | Link to this

Stupid Rednecks

By .

January 23, 2008 10:53 AM | Link to this

Now you people see why Richt schedules patsy’s every opening game. “Hey, I suspended them for the first game.” What a joke.

By Brewer for GT President

January 23, 2008 10:56 AM | Link to this

AltamahaDawg

*”Jan Kemp, A brave University professor dared to speak up against exploitation of student athletes. She was fired for objecting to UGA’s policy of passing student athletes who could barely read and write.

Kemp sued using a civil rights statute, alleging that the University retaliated against her for protected speech. The result was a 7-figure lawsuit in her favor and the eventual resignation of President Fred Davidson.”*

Straight from the Dawg’s mouth. http://www.uga.edu/ao/kemp.html

The underage thing is no big deal because it was unlikely he would have hurt anyone but himself. A slap on the wrist is fine by me. On the other hand, DUI is serious business and deserves more than a one game suspension against GSU.

By GT Man

January 23, 2008 11:03 AM | Link to this

To set the record straight, that Pizza Brawl occurred when Bobby Ross was coach, not a couple of years back. Rueben Houston was dismissed from the team and school after his arrest and only a court order put him back on the team and in school. In the end, the government completely dropped the case against him. I never thought those drug trafficking charges against him made any sense, because he came from a upper middle class family and did not need the money. As it turns out, he was in the wrong place at the wrong time. That part of his life was completely ruined, despite his innocence.

And in regard to the drinking violations, it is Athens, and that is what the cops there do. They have all the time in the world to closely monitor college kids. In Atlanta, what Georgia Tech students are doing is the least of the Atlanta PD’s problems.

By Dog the Gator Hunter

January 23, 2008 11:22 AM | Link to this

My favorite incident was last year when the Florida defensive back got caught stealing a car from an impound lot. He was arrested for a felony and seemed certain to miss key games (such as the Cocktail Party) and face jail time, before the powers-that-be decided that it was all some sort of unfortunate “misunderstanding.” Turns out the owner of the lot was a Gator fan whose desire to prosecute waned quickly once he found out the identity of the culprit. I laughed every time I saw a Georgia wideout race past that guy into the end zone, as he was obviously distracted and not ready to play. A little discipline may have actually helped his team.

If he was a Georgia player, he would have faced a big suspension if not dismissal. The notion that Richt runs a “thug” program as opposed to other SEC schools is just laughable.

Having said that, do the Athens police ever give a kid a break? I understand that underage drinking is serious, but the jails in these college towns could not hold a tenth of the underage college and high school kids that drink on any given Friday or Saturday night. At least the backup fullback had the good sense to try and find a cab instead of driving home. How many drunk drivers rolled through this cop’s patrol sector while he was arresting and processing the kid who was trying to flag down a cab?

By Jaime Gaverts

January 23, 2008 11:27 AM | Link to this

I am stunned regarding the attitude on this blog that “boys will be boys” and “we’ve cracked down too hard on these football players.” Are you serious? We’re talking a DUI here folks. While it may sound farfetched, what if Munzenmeier was accidently struck by the car that he jumped out in front of? What if the cop swerved off the road to miss him and had a wreck himself? UGa averages about 8-10 of these incidents a year. You say “Richt ain’t their momma.” It’s time to be one. Send a message. Kick the next one off the team. How long are you guys gonna let this stuff slide? The attitude of the writer and the folks jumping to aid of the players involved is startling to me. It is a big deal. Send a message….and not by missing the Ga Sou game and some stupid stadium steps. Shape those boys the right way. Good grief.

By Chip Towers

January 23, 2008 11:32 AM | Link to this

Geez people. I never said anything about DUI being not being a big deal. I was saying the recent arrests don’t make UGA “Thugville” no more than the recent pot bust at UT makes it a haven of crime. My point was young adults of 18-to-22-years-old make mistakes such as this, especially alcohol related… . And you know what, I don’t like the headline “they’re just kids” either. That wasn’t my point (again, we don’t write the headlines).

By reality check

January 23, 2008 11:35 AM | Link to this

GT man, to set the record straight the government did not drop the case against Rueben Houston. He did what he did and if the case had gone forward he clearly would have been convicted. So he entered a guilty plea and therefore is a convicted felon. By definition innocent people do not enter guilty pleas.

As part of the plea bargain the judge ordered him back on the team. From a legal standpoint that decision would not have been upheld if Tech had appealed. Even without an appeal the court order could not require that Tech play him.

Tech didn’t want to appeal because they wanted him back on the field and that is what they did.

Those are the facts absent of revisionist history. I think those facts speak very poorly of Tech, but you can think what you want.

My recollection of the Pizza Brawl is the same as yours, except it wasn’t really brawl so much as a beating. The kid they beat up had to have extensive plastic surgery on his face.

By tjs

January 23, 2008 12:33 PM | Link to this

Lets face it UGA is thugsville and everybody knows it….This is the first of many such incidents, no sweat they will all be able to play in the Florida game.

By reality check

January 23, 2008 1:04 PM | Link to this

Incidentally, I did leave out a couple of very important facts about the Pizza Brawl.

The kid who was beaten up so badly was a female Tech student, Lisa Steffee. She was hit so hard her nose had to be reattached to her face.

Bobby Ross said he believed his players’ version of the story…that she started the fight. Mike Mooney went about 320 pounds as I recall and Kevin Salisbury was about 250. The girl went about 150.

Any comments from the Tech fans on the blog defending your players?

Kim King wrote in his book that the incident was a major reason Bobby Ross left Tech. There were some alums who took the position there should have been some discipline, but there was none. Zip. Nada. Bobby Ross felt betrayed by the criticism and decided to leave, according to King.

I can’t remember the name of Tech’s wide receiver who was caught with marijuana in his pocket at about that time. The disciplinary response to that? According to Bobby Ross it wasn’t his marijuana. And wasn’t there an incident about Tech’s star running back Bell and some school books? I honestly don’t remember the details on that one. Maybe another blogger will.

Go ahead Tech fans. Lecture Georgia about our thug program and lack of discipline.

By GT Man

January 23, 2008 1:25 PM | Link to this

Reality check,

Actually, I did remember that wrong now that you mention it. It was not revisionist history, just a poor memory of the facts. I looked it up. There was indeed a plea deal and probation of less than a year, although a conviction would have put him away for decades. However, the court order to reinstate him to the team happened advance of the plea deal by about 6 months. They were unrelated. The whole thing never made sense, considering the social status of his family, and I always wonder what really happened. Maybe the social status of his family saved him from worse, who knows?

Regarding his reinstatement to the team, he appealed and was readmitted to school while his case was pending. He was kicked off the team until the court order forced them to take him back. They did not take him back because they needed him, they took him back because they had no choice. Why willingly take him back if he was kicked off the team? The whole situation was awkward and uncomfortable for everyone involved.

I actually think the player involved in the pizza brawl, whose name escapes me, not only messed up one kid but also punched a girl. Nothing to be proud of for sure.

Thankfully, we have had none of these type problems since the R Houston incident, and hopefully, we will have no more for a long time.

And as I said, I don’t even smile when I see a UGA player arrested on a drinking violation. It may not be right, but Athens is not a place to drink out in public. The law will be watching you.

I think it is ridiculous that anyone feels it necessary to gloat or make fun or feel validation when a player from someone elses team gets in trouble. These are 18 - 22 year old men, just learning about life out on their own for the first time. Mistakes should be expected.

By GoalieLax

January 23, 2008 1:28 PM | Link to this

It happens everywhere? Sure. But I bet you won’t see a guy at Navy getting a slap on the wrist for underage drinking. It’s a seperation-level offense, meaning the kid’s football, college, and career are put in jepoardy by drinking underage. I had plenty of classmates booted for breaking that rule. Of course, should UGA try and follow that line, the boosters (and apparently journalists) who prefer to turn a blind eye would be up in arms.

There’s a difference between expecting kids to do it and being complacent when it happens.

By Gerry

January 23, 2008 1:30 PM | Link to this

Who gives a damn what they do. Just win baby and all is forgiven.

By JP

January 23, 2008 1:41 PM | Link to this

As a Gator fan, I don’t see much here to get too riled up about. Obviously DUI is bad, but hopefully these young men will learn from their mistakes. Of course UF has its’ share of problems too!

I am sure CMR will set them straight. Otherwise there are plenty of people willing to take their places!

By reality check

January 23, 2008 1:46 PM | Link to this

I agree with you GT man. The mistakes of others is nothing to gloat about and I appreciate your point of view and willingness to clarify.

The past day aside I post rarely on this blog these days because of the amount of ignorance and jealousy of too many of the posters. I enjoy talking about football, but that isn’t what this blog has become.

By Dog the Gator Hunter

January 23, 2008 1:55 PM | Link to this

This is the first of many such incidents, no sweat they will all be able to play in the Florida game.

Sort of like how Tony Joiner was allowed to play in the Georgia game this year, tjs?

Florida is one of the biggest outlaw programs in college football history. They very nearly became the 2nd program to get the NCAA death penalty in 1990 for repeated recruiting violations from the late 70s to the late 80s. It’s widely believed that they would have if not for the devastation to SMU’s program, which went way beyond what the NCAA imagined. If any team’s fans should be barred from trash talking about other programs’ problems, it’s UF’s.

By Ed

January 23, 2008 2:41 PM | Link to this

Munzenmeier’s suspension has been increased to two games for getting an attitude with the arresting officer. Seems a little harsh for a college kid trying to hail a cab rather than drive home drunk, but the bad attitude may reveal some character issues. Richt needs to hammer this kid and nip the disrespect thing in the bud before it gets out of hand.

By Eagle Man

January 23, 2008 2:48 PM | Link to this

Chip, I have to give you props dude. You are the only one that will respond. Every team in the country has problems. Some more than others get the headlines. Does it mean the team is going bad no. The coaches can only do so much to help these kids and then its up to them to act like young adults. Keep up the good work, I wish we had a writer like you in Auburn.

By Hunk Erdown

January 23, 2008 3:18 PM | Link to this

When it comes to dui versus mip, state law should intervene before CMR even comes into play. Anything CMR and/or the Universtity does is separate and in addition to whatever consequences come from the State’s case. DUI is very serious and has nothing to do with a person’s status as a student, athelete, or district attorney… get caught dui and there should be hell to pay.

But, keep in mind that anything the team metes out is a separate issue and in addition to whatever punishment that is and should be equally meted out to anyone that makes that choice to drink and then get behind the wheel. Because they are student/atheletes, and many of them on scholarship, there rightly should be additional consequences, and for a dui maybe expulsion from the team is in order (talking about a car, not a scooter on the sidewalk) but minor in possesion?

Personally, I feel that anyone caught DUI should be punished so harsly by the courts that anything that a Coach could do would be mute.

By gdawginkalamazoo

January 23, 2008 3:44 PM | Link to this

Dog the Gator Hunter, lay off the Gator athletes. Did you know that they have a 110% graduation rate? They also have an average GPA of 3.8 (not including the football team which is an astounding 5.75) I wonder what they all major in.

I agree with the person who said “this is one hell of a drinking story” for Munzenmaier. There isn’t a hint a humor for the DUI player that is serious stuff that needs to be addressed in serious manner. I hope Hebron gets to speak to the team as soon as possible. I think he learned his lesson. Great to see him back on track, if he stays on it he will be a great one too. Wait and see.

This is my recollection. Even though the GT team HAD to take Houston back, they STARTED him for a game didn’t they, or at the least he played? I don’t think THAT was in the court order.

GT Man, good post and well said. Hopefully these kids are kicking themselves enough for making a dumb mistake, no sense in everybody else doing it.

By Zeb McKluskey

January 23, 2008 4:27 PM | Link to this

Hey Reality, I went to my junior camp at Quantico in ‘82, but unfortunatly couldn’t go back to my senior camp. I also spent many years on the force in metro Atlanta. I can’t begin to tell you the number of people that I’ve either taken home or called a cab for doing something stupid after drinking too much(No, I didn’t let DUI’s go). It just wasn’t worth the time and the paper work. There’s always something else happenning that’s much much worse than walking down the sidewalk after drinking. Athens PD must have an awful lot of time on their hands. Now, like a lot of guys I worked with, the attitude factor definitely plays into the situation. If you’re cool with me, I’ll help you out. If you wanna be an a*******hole, then I’ll show you just how bad I can make life for you. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not condoning breaking the law, but let’s face it, these young men are going to drink. HeII, they’re in college! I’m just glad it wasn’t this way when I went to school, dam, I woulda been kicked out the first quarter!!

By Teeth in Rules

January 23, 2008 6:05 PM | Link to this

Uga a thugville? No not by a mile. Uga under a microscope? YES YES YES! Example of thuggery behavior….. A few years back after the Clemson South Carolina football brawl , when punishment was handed down, a few SC players broke into the athletic offices and Vandalized property and also stoled property. Has Uga players committed a similiar act? NO!I dont expect something like this to happen under CMRs watch.But the players are going to have to have it drilled into their heads that their actions will be under the microscope while they attend the University. If they make a poor CHOICE in their actions then they will suffer the consequences.

By not a former jarhead

January 23, 2008 6:13 PM | Link to this

reality check bragging about being a bad a* long time ago….wow. I’m impressed. I’ll really be scared now when he jumps non uGA fans.

By College Football Fan

January 23, 2008 6:45 PM | Link to this

I think it is funny that Tech folks jump on UGA every time a DAWG gets into trouble. It is like there is nothing interesting enough about Georiga Tech to discuss, or the Jackets cannot compete on the field so they try to tear UGA down any other way they can. Tech people are pathetic whiners and losers.

Lets talk about the Tech fraternity students a few years ago that were reported to have left one of their “brothers” dead in the lake in Piedmont Park by Creative Loafing. Another story followed about how they went around stealing copies of Creative Loafing out of the paperboxes that included the story about it so people could not read about it.

They were also reported by Creative Loafing as having been caught stealing the papers and apprehended. I don’t remember reading anything about it all in the AJC though, which isn’t surprising. The AJC practices selective self censorship when it comes to Tech.

The Creative Loafing articles were real journalism about something that mattered, not stories about some kid who has a beer and is picked up by a cop walking home. That’s lazy crap writing.

By CapeCodDawg

January 23, 2008 6:52 PM | Link to this

Is the season here yet?

By D J Shockley

January 23, 2008 7:07 PM | Link to this

Lorda Mercy Daddy what have you Duns now? You have any mo of dem pics?

By Buzzjob

January 23, 2008 7:19 PM | Link to this

No need to fret….They’ll be more arrest and less discipline from Mark Richt. Just another Bobby Bowden clone.

By AltamahaDawg

January 23, 2008 7:32 PM | Link to this

BTW, quoting the “Jan Kemp Organization”? yea, that the horses mouth alright……and completely factual and unbiased. The fact that you came up with that simply proves, you didn’t have a clue and THEN went looking it up. And you actually came back and posted that quote straight from the first thing you found,…”a brave professor who”…oh man, priceless…

By shane #1

January 23, 2008 9:33 PM | Link to this

to the person posing as dj,it may intrest you to know that shock graduated,i believe with a degree in economics.not a bad choice with nfl salarys the way they are today.he took only one class his last year at uga because it was his first chance to be the starting qb,meaning that he could have finished his degree in four years had he so chosen.since dj spent most of his youth in a catholic school and both of his parents are college grads i doubt that he would speak the way you implied.after reading some of these posts and some that were on the recruiting blogs i would wager that the young men playing college football today are les”thuggish”than a lot of their”fans”.

By shane #1

January 23, 2008 10:07 PM | Link to this

on david ching’s blog richt was reported to have said that he had read the police report and did not like the way munzenmeier spoke to the officer,or the language that he used.that was why he added another game to the suspension.richt said that he tolerated no such behavior from his own children and would not tolerate it from his players.he also said he was very disappointed in the young man.young fred should pay attention to his coach’s words,as richt rarely goes public like this.i would say he is skating on thin ice.it is not good to be a third string player and have your coach be “disappointed” in your off field actions!

By reality check

January 24, 2008 8:45 AM | Link to this

I have nothing against “non uGA” fans per se. People like War Eagle and General Neyland have been welcome here for years. Although we haven’t heard that much yet from GT man he seems like he has substance, which is generally welcome here.

I have personally found that college football players are high quality individuals who tend to do well in life and if someone wants to call them thugs and felons they better be prepared to back it up. That’s anybody’s football players, not just Georgia’s.

In general I do not care for critics. Critics generally are people who have accomplished little in life who somehow feel more powerful saying negative things about those in the arena. The problem with this blog, not a former jarhead, is there are too many Georgia haters who have nothing of substance to contribute. So they make negative comments. If I am not on business travel I will occasionally call out the more outrageous by providing facts. If you call that “jumping non uGA fans”, fine.

By AltamahaDawg

January 24, 2008 9:14 AM | Link to this

Agree, It’s really getting sooooo old to read stuff like:

“No need to fret….They’ll be more arrest and less discipline from Mark Richt.”

What does that even mean? No need to fret? huh, why would anyone. Less discipline than what? Compared to whom?

What amazes me the most about the “buzzjobs’ of the world is that they are NOT embarassed to post such unintelligent meaningless dribble, all because they think they can score some childish insult at the fans of a rival school.

Do you actually have an opinion, or just felt like you needed to say something, anything?

By not a former jarhead

January 24, 2008 9:33 AM | Link to this

but I am a former GI. Reality, you previously stated you like to talk/blog football…but your words seem opposite. Instead of a dog lover, you seem to be a Tech hater. Dog football fan or Tech hater?

(it does seem childish but just say anything antidog and some of you dogs form a pack…lol)

Zeb…good cop.

By 74 Dawg

January 24, 2008 12:36 PM | Link to this

I wonder if the AP could give us an update on the NCAA investigation into the USC/Reggie Bush free car , free house etc investigation.

By crs

January 24, 2008 12:49 PM | Link to this

Man, Van Gordner is flake!!

By gdawginkalamazoo

January 24, 2008 1:43 PM | Link to this

Brian VanGoner at it again.

By crs

January 24, 2008 1:49 PM | Link to this

He is like Petrino Jr. - those two would be a perfect fit.

By THWG74

January 24, 2008 2:11 PM | Link to this

First of all, I am a Tech fan born and bred. I pull against UGA every chance that I get.

The whole Rueben Houston episode was an embarrassment to all Tech fans. If they weren’t embarrassed, they should have been. Believe me, most of us didn’t like the fact that he was allowed back on the team and that he was allowed to play, we liked even less.

I think that we all realize that most college students are going to make bad decisions. It is all part of the growing up process. Munzenmeier receiving a 2 game suspension for his arrest/bad attitude was the right decision by CMR I think. It may seem harsh to some but hopefully he will learn a lesson from it (if it is only to not go out after drinking).

I am most bothered by Donovan Baldwin being charged with DUI. I haven’t heard what his punishment will be but I feel sure that CMR will deal with it properly.

As a sports fan, it is disappointing to me to read when any student athlete gets into trouble…no matter what school/sport. I hope that other student athletes can look at the coverage given to their indiscretions and make wiser decisions.

By A-ville Ranger

January 24, 2008 2:20 PM | Link to this

Van Gorder is leaving SC ?? just weeks ago he pleadged his allegiance to college ball.I’m sorry but he has NO credibitity left IMO.I wouldn’t consider hiring him down the road if I was CMR.

By Ed

January 24, 2008 2:46 PM | Link to this

I have no sympathy for the Old Ball Coach, but what’s with Van Gorder? I’m beginning to wonder how Georgia managed to keep him for 4 years. He’s the Bobby Petrino or Nick Saban of assistants.

By reality check

January 24, 2008 2:47 PM | Link to this

I understand your point, not a jarhead. This blog in general unfortunately has devolved into something other than talking about football, and this blog topic in particular is less about football than most.

I am definitely a Georgia fan, but not a Tech hater. In fact, my father went there and I grew up a Tech fan. Under Bobby Dodd Tech was great. I still support them when they aren’t playing Georgia, although that has become more difficult after reading the kind of B.S. jealous Tech fans have consistently posted on this UGA blog.

They visit regularly calling Georgia players “thugs” and “felons”. When I read that I challenge Tech fans to name one Georgia player who has been a convicted felon. We are still waiting.

Tech, though, has allowed convicted felons to play. It is fair, in my view, to point that out to those who slander UGA’s players by calling them felons.

Blogs bring out cowardly people who say outrageous and insulting things. Nobody ever says things like that to my face for two reasons. One is that I am good natured and they just naturally don’t want to offend someone who tries to be pleasant. The other is that I wasn’t just a “bad *s long time ago.” My martial arts credentials are more advanced now.

My posts on this blog topic have generally been made in direct response to an unsubstantiated criticism of UGA or to a claim that is demonstrably not true. Setting the record straight does not make anyone a hater.

By FastFreddie

January 24, 2008 3:05 PM | Link to this

“What’s your thoughts?” translates to “What is your thoughts?” In response, “My thoughts is ………….”. Good article but lousy grammar.

By gdawginkalamazoo

January 24, 2008 3:27 PM | Link to this

FastFreddie, Your whole argument there relies upon what the meaning of the word is is.

By Matthew Stafford

January 24, 2008 3:36 PM | Link to this

I don’t care what trouble my teammates get in, as long as they are up for some spooning.

By Ed

January 24, 2008 4:08 PM | Link to this

Word has is that, 5 minutes after leaving South Carolina and signing on with the Falcons, Van Gorder accepted the head coaching position at Kalamazoo High, saying that his allegiance is with high school football and the opportunity to be a head coach at the AAAA level was too much to pass up. Local realtors report that the Van Gorders are looking for apartments that offer month-to-month leases.

In unrelated news, the AP is reporting that Bobby Petrino recently flew to Morgantown, West Virginia to meet with athletic apartment officials to discuss the head coaching vacancy. Petrino is said to be disgruntled with the way recruiting is going at Arkansas and looking for a better opportunity. Much to his surprise, he caught Nick Saban walking out of the AD’s office. Although happy with the God-like status he enjoys at Alabama, Saban is said to be disenchanted with the rest of the SEC, which won’t roll over for him on Saturdays despite his “genius” reputation.

By think about it

January 24, 2008 4:20 PM | Link to this

First of all yes what they did was wrong, but the reason you never hear about Tech players doing this is because nobody cares about Tech. Tech fans are always in UGA blogs tring to stur up something. Why don’t you go to your blogs and talk about your players and leave the UGA blogs to the dawg fans.

By not a dog fan

January 24, 2008 4:30 PM | Link to this

I agree with post above about the sandwich guy Reuben…cannot argue with the court but to actually play him…should have not…in my opinion. OK reality, you are a dog…but you almost persuaded me otherwise.

But, you guys sometimes jump on other teams (and not just on the uGA blog section) that have a booboo to the point that others just love to get you back…sometimes it does go way further than clean hate. Lots of laughs. Hope you lose 1in08!

By reality check

January 24, 2008 7:01 PM | Link to this

You and other Tech fans may want to get us back, but you can’t. Tech hasn’t been able to beat us, even when you use convicted felons.

Pitiful

By not a dog fan

January 24, 2008 7:20 PM | Link to this

he had not yet entered a plea when Chan made that endearing ploy. So, tech speaking, was not a convicted felon. We can talk ball later this year. Who knows what Tech will be…dogs lose 1in08.

By reality check

January 24, 2008 9:27 PM | Link to this

With Georgia’s schedule in 08 one loss sounds about right and that may translate to National Champions. It certainly would have meant that this year. As you said, who knows what Tech will be. Probably 7-5, but better would be fine with me. They won’t beat Georgia.

Chan Gailey is a better coach than Tech fans give him credit for.

Peace. I’m through.

By RangersAreRednecks

January 25, 2008 10:57 PM | Link to this

Ranger Gene, Check out this story before you come here putting down a couple of teenagers for drinking beer:

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/stories/2008/01/25/rangers0126.html?cxntlid=homepagetabnewstab

By Jimmy

January 26, 2008 4:48 PM | Link to this

That story about those Rangers seemed like entrapment to me, or am I missing something here??? Does it not state that the undercover agent went to them about the plan of robbing the drug dealers??? That’s entrapment. I think we should applaud the robbing and/or death of drug dealers, unless you just intend on selling the drugs you steal, which would make them drug dearlers as well.

By I-DOG

January 26, 2008 8:55 PM | Link to this

D Baldwin should receive more than 1 game for a DUI. That in my mind is a serious offense. Underage drinking doesn’t bother me, getting behind the wheel and being a danger to the community does. Baldwin should get at least 3 games and that should come with additional within the team punishment.

Fred, I too believe that the Athens police are a little too eager to arrest Dawg players, but if you are 250 Lbs and waving down a cop car you think is a cab in the wee hours of the morning… you can’t blame anyone but yourself. Either 1 or 2 for Fred would be fine with me

I had thought T. Chandler was suspended for the first 2 games last year. I saw in another AJC article that I am incorrect and it was just 1.

By Tim Teblows

January 26, 2008 11:34 PM | Link to this

Hey Carl, I’ve got some jean shorts on!!! Come down here and take them off and comb my pubes with your teeth!!! BLA-DOW!!!