AJC.com > Talk of the town > Archives > 2006 > December > 17 > Entry
Is national ID requirement good or bad?
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Starting May 11, 2008, everyone in the country will have to provide extensive proof of their identity when they apply for a license: name, address, photograph, Social Security number, birth certificate, citizenship status — and possibly even your fingerprints and retinal scan. Read the story.
The Real ID Act, passed by Congress in 2005, requires uniform standards that states will have to follow when issuing driver’s licenses and identification cards to non-drivers.
Legislators in Georgia and elsewhere are rebelling against the federal mandates contained in the act. State Sen. Mitch Seabaugh (R-Sharpsburg) says the act’s requirements are an invasion of privacy, could open the door to identity fraud and will cost Georgia taxpayers as much as $85 million to implement.
Some privacy watchdogs are worried the act is loosely written to allow for the taking of biometrics, things such as fingerprints and retinal scans.
What’s your opinion? Is it a good protective measure or does it go too far?




DEL.ICIO.US

Comments
Commenting is now closed for this entry.
By Roja
December 17, 2006 5:17 PM | Link to this
Add a finger print, retinal scan and a DNA sample to licensing requirements. If you are going to do it right, go all the way. Require everyone to have the ID Card and set them up at birth and require the ID for voting, check cashing, etc. Bet that would put an end to ID fraud not increase it.
By JIMMY
December 17, 2006 5:22 PM | Link to this
THIS SHOULD HAVE ALREADY BEEN COMPLETED. THE SOONER THE BETTER.GEORGIA POLITICIANS NEED TO SUPPORT THIS ACT ALL THE WAY.
By annie
December 17, 2006 5:31 PM | Link to this
YES!!! I am all for it. you have to show I.D. to vote in other, civilized countries- why not here?
By Jerry Schull
December 17, 2006 5:36 PM | Link to this
Sounds like the government is finally getting serious in protecting it’s citizens. But I believe that we will need more than forged documents to initiate the program. And that is exactly whats going to happen if we don’t do something with biometric identification. It may sound extreme, but all the necessary prerequisites to getting the “RealID” , can and probably will get forged. I say at minimum, a fingerprint, possibly a retinal scan.
By Don Reinhardt
December 17, 2006 5:44 PM | Link to this
We have got to stop bad things happening to good people- ID theft is bigtime trouble. Terrorist fraud is another. Privacy and its invasion will be of no value, if someone loses all their money, or is blamed for fraud of not their doing. It is sad, but true. The world is stranger, more dangerous and quite unsettling. We will find more and more that we will need to get a handle on strangers and terrorists in our midst. Make no mistake about it. Let’s think it all out. Debate it vigorously and do what MUST BE DONE to protect all good citizens. A country with rampant fraud and terrorism becomes Baghdad 2. Peace to all in this season of joy and peace.
By Noah
December 17, 2006 5:48 PM | Link to this
As long as the government has a way to keep all this information in a safe database I think it is a great Idea. My only concern is someone being able to access everyones personal information from cracking into the database…
By lyn
December 17, 2006 5:50 PM | Link to this
We don’t need another system that can be hacked with that much info. I’d go along with the retina scan, fingerprints, etc, but no other personal identification.
By dale r
December 17, 2006 5:51 PM | Link to this
Yea why not Roja. The sorry politicians would rather not seal the borders than destroy the freedoms Americans have fought and died for. Screw the Republicans and the Democrats, now we know why Bob Barr switched his party affiliation.
By Darlene
December 17, 2006 5:54 PM | Link to this
I am all for retinal screening. Blair said it all. If you live here you do as our law says and you speak our language. We do not change our laws and language for others.
By dave
December 17, 2006 5:57 PM | Link to this
Look, if terrorists want to blow up a city here in the US, this law will NOT stop them in the slightest! A terror group determined to cause destruction will do what they have to do regardless of ID. This is just another attempt of the neocons trying to scare and control the general public. it’s a horrible horrible law. It does NOT make anyone safer.
By Deborah
December 17, 2006 6:06 PM | Link to this
I think this is a great idea. The way things are now, we the people of the United States, need to take every precaution that we can to protect our country. Things are not the same, as in the past, and we need to move forward.
By Mark
December 17, 2006 6:09 PM | Link to this
I am all for this. Any politician who is agianst this has no intent of doing anything about illegal immigration, or the terrorist threats against this country! Also, explain to me, how a requirement for more forms of identification can cause an increase in ID fraud.
By Jason
December 17, 2006 6:14 PM | Link to this
The REAL ID Act was attached to a military appropriations bill. There was no way that legislators were going to vote against and be ridiculed the same way Kerry was for not supporting our troops.
We should not trade privacy and other individual liberties for security.
By Rashan
December 17, 2006 6:16 PM | Link to this
by all means, make the USA a police state!. I would gladly give up the “freedom” of keeping my retnal image, finger print, DNA, hell…even sperm sample for even a marginal security increase. Get real America, there are tens of thousands of people who awake each day thinking of nothing but how to destroy us! Some people don’t get it, My cousin was thrown off a 7 story building in Iran because he participated in a peacefull assembly to support the USA’s actions in Iraq.
By Tom Belisle
December 17, 2006 6:20 PM | Link to this
The national ID requirement is long overdue. We are at war! we need it!!
By Diane
December 17, 2006 6:41 PM | Link to this
Yes, yes, yes. Let’s protect our identities and our country! Do it NOW!
By Mike Maffett
December 17, 2006 6:43 PM | Link to this
This act is long, long overdue and is worth the cost. It would put a dent in both identity theft and illegal immigration. I do not consider this an invasion of my privacy - if anything it protects my personal sovereignty. It should be implemented as soon as possible.
By MC
December 17, 2006 6:44 PM | Link to this
How strange that Georgia Republicans like their own photo ID requirements so much more.
By jc
December 17, 2006 6:51 PM | Link to this
NO WAY anyone is doing a retinal scan on me! It’s just one step away from mind control….
By Meg
December 17, 2006 6:53 PM | Link to this
This won’t do anything to curb illegal immigration. None of the other laws we have do anything to curb illegal immigration because it’s good for big business-this will be one more law we have to obey and they don’t.
By Michael H. Smith
December 17, 2006 6:56 PM | Link to this
Yes ID is a very good protective measure. Our government already knows or has most of the info cited in the article, so very little privacy actually remains for the U.S. citizen. The only real concern that exist is how will government use this info and what limits will remain to control government abuse of power.
By Joseph
December 17, 2006 6:56 PM | Link to this
No, I don’t agree. People entering this country should be subjected to these measures, not American citizens who were born and reared as U.S. citizens.
By Martha Hanson
December 17, 2006 7:01 PM | Link to this
I think it will be good for the country. I don’t want to let people who are not here legally to be able to get these freedoms that we all work hard for. If you are going to be a law abiding citizen why would you not want to prove your identity. My son lost his liscence a few years ago and he had to produce all of that documentation in order to get another one,so why doesn’t every one need to.
By Burns
December 17, 2006 7:03 PM | Link to this
Ever applied for a pistol license? Fingerprinting and background checks required. And I’m supposed to get my boxers in a bunch over the Big Brother scenario?
By quadinfamily
December 17, 2006 7:22 PM | Link to this
you all feel safe with the government knowing everything about you????? So you all are welcoming Communism with out asking any questions?? what a bunch of morons !! They already know the people here that are not supposed to be here to begin with but they don’t export them do they?? How the Hell does an ID chip or card make you safe?? Just another way to control you and tax you more , has anyone looked at what it will cost the american citizen ?? We are handing over We the people power to government?? Why do you feel you need them to babysit you? Do you think the terrorists will get ID?? My gosh have you people looked back and thought about how much things have gotten out of control thanks to the government! They want to track your every movement, How does that make us safe its not us causing the terror attacks but we are being tracked??? Go educate yourself before making a decision Check Out you-tube website and look up America on Fascism ! It will help you look at this issue from all aspects ! We The People need to take back control of America not Democrats or Republicans , when you pay taxing every year and there is no law stating you have too something is drastically wrong ! You all are crazy for accepting one World power and communism ..And when they terrorists Take control of the world or UN you can feel real safe knowing they have every piece of info on you including when you took you last dump!!!! I hope you’ll feel safer then !
By Leslie
December 17, 2006 7:23 PM | Link to this
If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear.
By madmommy
December 17, 2006 7:23 PM | Link to this
Yes, it is long over due. My only concern is making it available for the poor and elderly with out too much hassle. Provide transport to and from any location that they need to get the documentation and scanning available to them at NO charge.
By SAB
December 17, 2006 7:24 PM | Link to this
Go for it. The sooner the better.
By quadinfamily
December 17, 2006 7:32 PM | Link to this
Btw, WHat are we dogs ..we now need a tracking device ..they are already tracking every new vehicle on the market they know your every move in a vehicle .. Has that made the American person safer?? We are not the threat and no chip will change what terrorist want to do to America. Joseph Has a great point I would love to see every immigrant be tagged but that won’t happen because they will make threats that we are racist and that will be enough to stop that.. But to the stupid people who think this is a good idea will be the first to jump off a bridge for this ID card or chip ..I am so happy the Bible comes true on everything Thank You Jesus you are coming soon!!!
By david corr
December 17, 2006 7:33 PM | Link to this
National ID laws like these are Fascist Intrusions on Privacy Rights. We must fight them. We are glad Bob Barr has joined the Libertarian Party and our fight to preserve Liberty.
By L
December 17, 2006 7:34 PM | Link to this
Ok where has this been all this time and who are the idiots voting against this? My purse was stolen and do you know that when i went to the dmv they advised me that anyone can get an ID or a license in my name as long as they had one the documents listed on their list of Req’d docs. And 9 times out of 10 one of those docs would be in someone’s purse when it was stolen. I asked her if they dont fingerprint people or anything at all she said no and I can bet they dont even look at the face. YES I’M ALL FOR THIS!!!! ID theft is one of the biggest problems we face, lets get moving with this what are we waiting for?
By R.S. Bell
December 17, 2006 8:06 PM | Link to this
Those that would trade freedom for security deserve neither. It is amazing how little Americans value liberty that they would so willingly consent to its degradation. Do you think tyranny could not happen here because we have a written constitution that seeimingly forbids it? The Constitution is only in force as long as We the People are willing to defend it. Why not tattoo Social Security numbers to the skin of everyone who wants an illusory benefit from government? There are evidently not enough (WWII) concentration camp survivors around to remind us just how dangerous government can be when citizens become nothing more than human resources. Sure, they were provided with housing, but room-sized ovens, even if the heat increases slowly, should be an adequate clue as to why WAR and FEAR combine to create LESS security and LESS freedom. Was our nation founded upon individual liberty or collectivist security? If the government did not actually create the illegal immigrant problem, it sure did look the other way while it festered. Now the solution is more encroachment upon those that are already here, or those that came here legally. I wonder, is the proposed Mexican border fence to keep illegals out, or us in?
By Freed From Georgia
December 17, 2006 8:14 PM | Link to this
leave it to idiots in georgia to support this crap. you people in georgia need to be euthanized and fast. youre all a bunch of mentally disordered morons. id rather live in the middle of a bomb factory in the middle of baghdad than step on the bloody soil of georgia ever again!
By Darlie
December 17, 2006 8:22 PM | Link to this
to L_ I just moved here to the area and I have never had to show so many documents in my life for a license so I don’t know where you got your info from ..but A illegal immigrant can come here and get a tag and registration due to loop holes in the system and then later apply for a license , but I have to show birth certificates and SS #’s Marriage license old license from other state and still I was sent home because I forgot my utility bill ?? Have you ever thought what if there are loop holes in the government knowing all your info ??? who else will be able to access it?? btw , You do need a chip in your neck like a dog if you can’t even keep track of your purse ! watch out there might end up being a law against losing stuff next?!?!?!
By Bill Helvig
December 17, 2006 8:24 PM | Link to this
Why don’t they just tatto a bar code on are a*s when we are born. How much do you want the Government to know about you? This is crap. You can walk down a street and tell within 80% accuracy who is legally in this country and who is not.
By MrLiberty
December 17, 2006 8:25 PM | Link to this
Once the government has the sole power to determine whether you are a citizen or a non-person, then everything about your existence can be wiped out with one key stroke. Maybe it will be an accident, maybe just because you voted for the wrong political party.
All of you who support this kind of stuff deserve only the worst to happen to you and your families as a result.
The problem has always been the free giveaways, the government theft, and the power the government has over everyone. You don’t want to fix those problems so you are content with throwing away your freedoms. Your kind has already played out its hand in Nazi Germany, the Soviet Union, and East Germany. Why don’t you get on a plane and go to one of those countries to try and rekindle the spirit of fascism that you so love and leave america to those of us who still understand what freedom is about.
It is getting very difficult to preserve any of the little freedom we have left with your kind of mentality massing things up.
By bill gillispee
December 17, 2006 8:44 PM | Link to this
In all honesty, who would complain but cheathers, and people who want to beat the system, and we know who they are, the free loaders. Bring the teston.
By Gary
December 17, 2006 8:56 PM | Link to this
Forget the whinning about the cost. This is a potential money saving bonanza for state and federal governments. No more dozens of identities with dozens of phony welfare, medicaid, and disability payments. Everytime a criminal tries to go to an emergency room, a retinal and fingerprint scan could identify him as a criminal and the authorities could be alerted via computer linkups with hospitals and just come arrest them. No unnecessary non-emergent free medical for illegal aliens. There would not need to have a border fence built. No, it wont stop a terrorist, but it has potential to clean up vast corruption within America.
By AmericanConstitutionalist
December 17, 2006 9:05 PM | Link to this
We Americans need to stop giving up our Constitutional rights to Uncle Scam. These RFID spychips are just another mechanism to expand Govt contol over the masses. Big Government keeps pushing closer & closer to a full surveillance/police state. Don’t just blindly buy into every “scare tactic” pitched by the Government (to deprive us of our freedoms). Let’s not allow the sellouts on Capitol Hill (DNC and GOP) to spoon feed you propaganda. As a former Republican/current paleo-conservative Independent, I highly suggest you good folks do some research on how far reaching this “Big Brother” agenda is… http://www.infowars.com/cashless_society.htm#rfid
By bill gillispee
December 17, 2006 9:07 PM | Link to this
Right on gary, loved your comment, don’t forget ,Atlanta leads the country in fraud.
By ChrisD
December 17, 2006 9:08 PM | Link to this
Sounds obvious to me. The only ones against it are future and current criminals. Oh, and of course bleeding heart liberals who don’t want criminals punished for their actions.
By darlie
December 17, 2006 9:10 PM | Link to this
Gary- you go on believing your story your telling yourself..But what about computer gliches and say your the target to be arested for something you didn’t do?? why don’t you take a look back to history and see how hitler controlled things ex: if you were caught without your papers (ID card) you would be shot! If you want that freedom go the hell over there!!!!
By Titothebear
December 17, 2006 9:18 PM | Link to this
Well, I see the fascists are out with their jack boots, stompin’ the hell out of the Constitution again. This measure is un-constitutional and it will be knocked flat in the courts. Idiots think that imposing this sort of national ID policy will somehow make life better. It won’t! This is an unreasonable measure pushed by irrational, paranoid Republican fascists and it won’t stand a judicial test. It’s not going to happen!
By AmericanConstitutionalist
December 17, 2006 9:34 PM | Link to this
Please folks…educate yourselves on the facts. Start by watching the following outstanding documentary… http://naam.pair.com/aftf1626/AFTF/
BTW, I’m no liberal, pinko, but a Paleo-Conservative who believes in defending our Constitutional rights!
By Bigtopher
December 17, 2006 9:37 PM | Link to this
Why should we let the government scan our retinas for a national ID database when the borders are wide open? Here’s an idea….if you don’t like our Constitution and Bill of Rights, then YOU leave. Find out what’s really going on at infowars.com
By DwayneL
December 17, 2006 9:42 PM | Link to this
Yes I’m for it and I don’t consider it giving up my liberties. I have nothing to hide and if the new ID makes our country safer then I’m for it 100%.
By Joe
December 17, 2006 9:43 PM | Link to this
This is a Great idea.Just dont understand why anyone has a problem with voter ID. If this creates no hardship for anyone(and I believe it wouldnt)shouldnt we all be greatful our Government is looking out for the voting process and all Legitimate voters?
By fwilly1
December 17, 2006 9:44 PM | Link to this
I do not support any type of national I.D. program. We are just surrendering what little privacy we have to the big bad government, and I’ll be damned if I’m going to surrender any more info.I would like to strip every politician of his or her authority and give it back to the people where it belongs. Term limits for all politicians whether federal, state, local and the local dog catcher too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
By CDog
December 17, 2006 10:02 PM | Link to this
Are you kidding me? I cannot believe there are actually people who support this freedom destroying nonsense. Let the people who are stupid enough to give up their privacy and freedom do so. Let those few of us freedom-loving indidividuals who still exist keep ours. No threat of terrorism, no matter how severe, is worth giving up my freedom and privacy. Can someone please explain to me how there is supposedly a right to privacy in the constitution when it comes to abortion (which makes no sense at all) but seemingly not for anything else?
By Darlie
December 17, 2006 10:08 PM | Link to this
check out www.spychips.com also , an ID chip is not going to change anything it will strip you of all your rights and give it to the terrorist , we are handing America over to other countries Americans are the minority now not the majority!!!!
By Ali Babba
December 17, 2006 10:19 PM | Link to this
Is it me or do those who are complaining sound as if they have something to hide by not wanting to have a standard form of identification in our country? I say it’s simple, you have the correct ID or you don’t vote OR get onto a plane OR drive. Don’t like it. Don’t vote or fly or drive.
By Evan
December 17, 2006 10:37 PM | Link to this
Bring it on! It’s many years late.
By South GA girl
December 17, 2006 10:45 PM | Link to this
This is all fine. We ESPECIALLY need a photo ID or more to vote!!!
By Muhammid Mexico
December 17, 2006 11:02 PM | Link to this
All these true Americans standing up to privacy invasion makes me proud. Of course, they’re idiot wind-bags. If it makes them feel like little pioneers, okie dokie.
Where were they when Mexico, India, Pakistan, Korea, China etc. invaded their precious USA? Nowhere. Now they want to ßitch about ID. What a bunch of losers.
By james
December 17, 2006 11:09 PM | Link to this
This country was founded on the principal of freedom - freedom from oppressive governments and monarchies. The freedom that allows individual rights to every citizen. Those freedoms and rights, whether you realize it or not, have over the years been given and or seized by our government. It never fails to amaze me at the willingness of free ciizens to give up those freedoms over time,for war to fight terrorism or whatever else at the time, to government. Do you feel safer being told what to do? Not only do I not want a national data base, but I want to see many other rights already taken returned. Example-Why did the States and people allow the Federal Government to take over local schools? The Fed should NOT be in education at all, that right should be retained by local and State governments. As it is now our money is sent to DC for education and returned with strings telling us how to run our local schools - does that sound right? Please, don’t allow this seemingly innocent ID law take effect, it will come back to haunt us!
By GaLiberal
December 17, 2006 11:20 PM | Link to this
NO! NO! NO! NO! It’s bad enough having the government snooping on our telephones, cell phones, e-mail, credit reports, internet sites, etc. This is just another open opportunity to snoop in our private lives. And to all thoes that say ‘What’s the problem if you have nothing to hide’; go suck a rotten egg. This isn’t about hiding things; it’s about keeping private things private. I object to mandatory drug tests, but I suffer the outage for the salary. The use of a national ID was used in Nazi Germany to control the movements of certain groups; Jews, homosexuals, political opponents, and other ‘undesirables’. Do we really want that here? The government can assure us all they want, but things have a way of morphing over time. A little here, a little there, and soon you have nothing but a shell. Elect another tin-plated dictator like Bush, and before you know it, you’ll have to present papers every time and every place.
By Harvey Chambers
December 18, 2006 10:14 AM | Link to this
Why do we have to wait until 2008 to start identifying people who have no right to be in our country? People who are here illegaly and have broken our laws do not have any of the rights to participate in the benefits of being a citizen of this country. Having a drivers license or being able to vote for our representatives is a privelege reserved for citizens only, not everyone in the world. I may be mistaken but I beleive that prisoners who are serving time for breaking the law are not allowed to vote. In fact they lose their rights until they have paid their debt to our society. Am I wrong in this assumtion?
By Thomas
December 18, 2006 10:15 AM | Link to this
This is absolutely necessary. We need all safeguards that can be implemented. Kudos to the President and everyone responsible.
By gtpi
December 18, 2006 10:20 AM | Link to this
hell yes. its about damm time.
i am tired of all these illegal immigrants… chinese hispanic arabic etc.
we need to take care of our own first and the best way to start off is by knowing who is one of us.
By Cary
December 18, 2006 10:26 AM | Link to this
One who gives up freedom for security has neither. What’s next? Our borders are wide open, but the answer to the problem is to take what little privacy and freedom we have left away from the citizens that were born here or came here legally. This is a very slippery slope to embark on. Once it is done it will not be changed and we will have to live it .
By Tracey Anderson
December 18, 2006 10:31 AM | Link to this
This is a ridiculous idea. Why not just insert a computer chip into everyone’s brain at birth. That way, if anyone does anything wrong, the government can just reprogram them. No one would ever get lost, because the government would be able to track the movements of everyone.
While you’re at it, why not outlaw anything that might put someone’s health in danger? Include cigarettes and alcohol, of course. But you’ll also need to outlaw cars; after all, the pollution spewing out of your SUV causes cancer. As a matter of fact, it’s more carcinogenic than cigarettes.
Also outlaw motorcycles, bicycles and anything else where someone might get injured or injure someone else. And outlaw meat and vegetables, since we all have seen that these products can cause illness and death. Overweight? Let the government step in and reprogram you. No more obesity issues! The government can just issue nutrition in a pure pill or liquid form so that we could stay alive.
Oh, and don’t forget, you might as well outlaw most medical procedures while you’re at it. There’s a danger that you can die on that table; if you don’t think that’s the case, talk to any physician.
If we all just put our entire lives in the government’s hands, we can ensure that there will never again be “bad things happening to good people”.
By freedomadmin
December 18, 2006 10:39 AM | Link to this
Join me for discussion on immigration and other issues at the Freedom Forum:
http://www.forumcityusa.com//index.php?mforum=freedom
By Cindy Sue Causey
December 18, 2006 10:42 AM | Link to this
With all due respect :: Just spent this past summer witnessing firsthand what unbelievable hoops it already takes PWDs (persons with disabilities) in long term care facilities (e.g. nursing homes and rehabilitation centers) to simply gain I.D. cards in order to access their right to vote.. It takes but a smidgeon of imagination to see how lurching those hoops that much higher could very easily, effectively lock out a very large bloc of individuals, of Voters who so critically need to be able to voice their opinions in harmony with fellow citizens.. Stretching compassion, whoops, stretching imagination a tad further says the disability community is not the only special interest group that could, would be similarly affected..
By ed
December 18, 2006 10:58 AM | Link to this
all you liberal fops talk about the freedom that the constitution grants to its citizens… let me ask you, how the hell does the government know who its citizens are? Granted, most of the aprox. 300 million citizens would have little trouble proving their citizenship, but what about hispanic citizens and middle eastern citizens? Illegal residents forge id information all the time, who can really tell the difference, with a nation wide ID standard that includes biometric identification, anyone—government, employers, common citizen would be able to tell who is and is not legal. And once sanity retakes congress, we can deport/ brand all the illegals so that they will never take their sorry asses across the borders again.
By Chris
December 18, 2006 11:03 AM | Link to this
Are yall crazy!!! Who in the world wants to have their retinal scanned as part of an ID system? I will stop driving all together before I get my retinals scanned in to some data base…. This is CRAZY!!!!!!! It will do nothing to stop immigration or anything else. Criminals are criminals because the live outside the law. The only thing it will do is collect data on already law abiding citizens. Wake up!!!
By MC
December 18, 2006 11:04 AM | Link to this
The only right you have in this country is to work. So it is a work state. You can go play golf or whatever, go on vaction maybe—but basically we are almost to the Nazi state—-a few more moves and we will have the booths on the street where they check ids and so forth and there ya go. So Brave New World is not just a book.
By Bob
December 18, 2006 11:11 AM | Link to this
Should this pass, it ought to be our Tea Tax against an encroaching police state. I doubt we have the requisite figurative male apparatus to actually do something about it,however, and the powers that be know that. God help us.
By Donna P.
December 18, 2006 11:13 AM | Link to this
If you have nothing to hide, then what’s the problem? The government knows WHO you are anyway. This is just another feel good measure to fool the American public into believing our government(s) are doing something about terrorism and illegal immigration. Trust me, people will work around this.
By Heather Czerniak
December 18, 2006 11:17 AM | Link to this
“He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark.(Rev. 13:16-18)
Call me a religious fanatic, but it looks like we’re headed down the wrong path! Time to wake up, folks! Click on that link provided by AmericanConstitutionalist and educate yourselves!
By patti
December 18, 2006 11:20 AM | Link to this
yes I’m for it. I think it’s about time we get serious and protect ourselves.
By Prof
December 18, 2006 11:23 AM | Link to this
On the one hand, it’s not that big an issue for me. With some of the jobs I’ve had, I’m already used to being micromanaged. Having said that, for a good few individuals, how much of a difference is there between the identificational conglomeration we’d have to submit to, and having to read a Chinese newspaper in order to vote? Slippery slope? I have to wonder…
By Thomas
December 18, 2006 11:30 AM | Link to this
“They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” Benjamin Franklin
By J
December 18, 2006 11:36 AM | Link to this
We are exposing ourselves to the government in ways that can continuously provide us without shelter from the invasion of privacy. This ID Act is nothing but a ploy to get ignornant Americans to waiver thier rights of privacy willingly in the name of “security”, yet this very congressional law screams unconstitutional!
By Kip Chilson
December 18, 2006 11:38 AM | Link to this
Big brther looms up on the horizon! Why should the AJC have to approve this before they print it?
By Robert Clements
December 18, 2006 11:40 AM | Link to this
Anyone who opposes this has ulterior motives.
By Patrick Nowak
December 18, 2006 11:43 AM | Link to this
This kind of citizen ID system is long over due. The liberal interests don’t like it because IDs can eventually be used to curb voting fraud, a source of much of their power.
By AM
December 18, 2006 11:50 AM | Link to this
This is long overdue. Anything that will get rid of the illegal invaders is a great idea! Peroid
By Judith Deane
December 18, 2006 11:54 AM | Link to this
ABSOLUTELY NOT!! This is a terrible idea. In the interest of finding a few potential terrorists you are going to have hundreds of people driving around who haven’t been tested to determine if they can see, or hear, or drive. I realize that there are millions of people who are here without documentation, but you won’t keep them from driving, just from doing it legally. What were they thinking? There are other ways to find illegal aliens than harrassing the rest of us.
By Lyrazel
December 18, 2006 11:55 AM | Link to this
Our government has proven it cannot maintain its current data safely. It has lost data of many who served in the military—voter registration/ballots are missing—federal worker information was released on the web—ask any Katrina victims FEMA has on its list if there are errors, discrepancies and problems. Ask Rep. John Lewis about airline security problems of being on the list of potential terrorists.
Its not a matter of trust. Its a matter of: with so much information how can it be maintained? As we all know from dealing with credit card information sometimes the data is wrong—sometimes the same name can make old Aunt Betty a wanted criminal in six states and 3 nations—then of course the obligation to get it fixed and right is always on the individual…even if she is in a nursing home.
Billions of dollars will be spent and in 8 years the system will be a dated cumbersome monolithic white elephant. The cost of this includes putting these retinal scanners in every small town that has a driver license bureau and teaching every employee how to use them, how to identify and how to recognize forgeries, most of all they will have to have a staff that does nothing but correct discrepancies—the Bureau of Input Inaccuracies…as well as the Committee to Oversee Update of Operating System of Natl. Data Base….
Then of course, you have to wait to get the card in the mail—the US Postal Service has already declared most home mailboxes are not safe… Mismanagement of public’s records information is about as American as apple pie.
By BibleThumper
December 18, 2006 12:14 PM | Link to this
THIS IS THE MARK OF THE BEAST!
Revelations 13:15-17 (KJV)
15And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
16And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
17And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
That we should be marked, with our own DNA or retinal scans, which CANNOT be removed, such as to be identified.. and that this identification is required to “fly, vote, etc” and is a protection to our “credit scores”, which is to say our ability to BUY things…
THIS IS THE MARK OF THE BEAST! And it SHOULD NOT be allowed!
Down with Satan! DOWN WITH BUSH!
By VICKI
December 18, 2006 12:23 PM | Link to this
It’s about time!!!
By Prof
December 18, 2006 12:25 PM | Link to this
On the one hand, it’s not that big an surprise to me. I’m used to government micromanagment (keeps us “safe”). Having said that, isn’t life micromanagement supposed to be next on the US agenda anyway? With the Information Age progressing as it is, it’s the next logical step…
By Dorothy
December 18, 2006 12:27 PM | Link to this
Great, why dont we just go ahead and insert some kind of microchips under our babies’ skins at birth. These chips will contain all the info. one needs to know about them. I mean, we want real ID’s let’s go hitech.
By MEG
December 18, 2006 12:29 PM | Link to this
I have no problem with the picture, the fingerprint, or showing a passport to show prove of citizenship, but I do have a problem with the retinal scan.
By Johnny
December 18, 2006 12:29 PM | Link to this
The State of Georgia can’t have it both ways. They can’t scream about illegal immigrants, homeland security and not support a national ID system that can contribute to the resolution of the other two problems. Other countries have had this for years.
By Mike The Actuary
December 18, 2006 12:35 PM | Link to this
With apologies to the creator of a certain Christmas carol:
You’d better watch out! / You’d better not better not hide! / You’d better not dissent, / I’m tellin’ you why — / Big Brother’s keeping tabs on you.
He sees you when you’re sleeping / He knows when you’re awake / He knows who you’re voting for / So toe the party line for goodness sake!
You’d better watch out! / You’d better not better not hide! / You’d better not dissent, / I’m tellin’ you why — / Big Brother’s keeping tabs on you.
By neal kelley
December 18, 2006 12:36 PM | Link to this
Look people.. do you need an ID to blow up the a building… the answer is no.. Do you need an ID or a passport to enter the USA.. the answer is no… Just ask the illegals entering the country through the texas mexico border… This will do nothing but further erode out freedoms…
By rid0617
December 18, 2006 12:36 PM | Link to this
Why is it Americans are being hassled to death proving who they are while nothing is being done to stop the illegals from strolling accross the border? A lot of good this crap will do when the terrorist casually stroll accross the border with Jose and his family. Double standards have always made me want to hurl chunks. Now you see why its called terrorism. We all hide in terror like little scared rabbits. Bring our troops home, defend our own borders and quit worrying about the whole world. What pusses!!!!!
By rid0617
December 18, 2006 12:38 PM | Link to this
And what good is this supposed to do? They can’t even keep habitual violators and illegal aliens off the road now. Or is checkpoints next in our lives?
By Judy
December 18, 2006 12:39 PM | Link to this
I say lets do it. Its time we starting addressing some of the issues involving illegal immigrants. YES!!
By neal kelley
December 18, 2006 12:40 PM | Link to this
I also forgot to mention… the only way that ID will work.. if the police have powers to stop and check people’s ID in the street… This will liken us the Nazi Germany…
By Michelle
December 18, 2006 12:45 PM | Link to this
All I can say is it is about time. We have become a country that has let P.C. agendas tear us apart. I am not against others coming to our country for a better life, it’s what we stand for, but do it the legal and right way. Most of our ancestors came here through proper chanels, worked hard to support this country and have passed along the rights and wrongs of our nation only to see the government and the illegals destroy it. If they could have seen then what has happened here now, my guess is they would have turned that boat around top speed. Be legal, be accountable or stay home!
By robert strickland
December 18, 2006 12:46 PM | Link to this
Please post the names of all State Representatives who oppose this so we can work to get them out of office as soon as possible.
By AM
December 18, 2006 12:46 PM | Link to this
I am all for it. Anything to get rid of the illegal invaders. They steal our identities, our jobs, benefits, and eventually they will steal our way of life.
By jane
December 18, 2006 12:49 PM | Link to this
Yes, I think it is a wonderful idea. I have been a victim of MISTAKEN IDENTITY and have suffered the last five years because of it.
If this process has been in place, I would have been eliminated as being this person(MISTAKEN IDENITY PERSON) and would have enjoyed the last five years that have been taken from me.
By S
December 18, 2006 12:51 PM | Link to this
Well, if we do this, then America will have to come off it’s moral high horse and admit to the rest of the world-which I doubt-that it is no better than those countries it have been ostracizing and crucifying for years because they required their citizens to have identity papers on them-for now we will be doing the same and therefore just as those other countries we ridiculed, we are not as free as we think. Of course those countries already know this which is why they don’t respect us anyway, they laugh at our folly of being “free” and view us as hypocrites-and rightly so…
By David
December 18, 2006 12:51 PM | Link to this
Well here we go, we will need every piece of personal information we have just to obtain a driver’s lincense. What’s next, retinal scans at Block Buster, voice recognition at the grocery store, 666?
By bboy
December 18, 2006 12:59 PM | Link to this
Freed From Georgia; Thank God you are gone, you raised the IQ of Georgia by leaving.
By Fall Line
December 18, 2006 1:02 PM | Link to this
The government is the reason we have so many illegal immigrants in the country in the first place. Now they’re asking us to trust them with our identities. If they were unwilling to do anything about illegal immigration in the first place, why do you think they’ll do anything about it after they have the ID cards?
By S. Turnage
December 18, 2006 1:02 PM | Link to this
I agree that the ID requirement is necessary. It should have been done long ago.
By Screwtape
December 18, 2006 1:04 PM | Link to this
Of course everyone knows that resistance is futile, All Will Be Assimilated. As soon as blue tooth technology can do it your national ID will be implanted an the hive masters will implement the all controling matrix. Have no fear as it will not be painfull and you will no longer have to think for yourself.
By Kyle bragg
December 18, 2006 1:08 PM | Link to this
I believe that requiring a proper I.D. is very reasonable. I also think it should be the law that you should be required to carry I.D. with you at all times.
By M. D. Cain
December 18, 2006 1:11 PM | Link to this
You people that want a “Nanny State” to have the government take care of you from cradle to grave make me sick. There are already so many sheep living in this country now that I wouldn’t be surprised if an invading group promised us peace and security that the majority of our citizens would not even be in favor of resisting. The “peace at all costs” crowd will drag us all down eventually.
By paul02085
December 18, 2006 1:13 PM | Link to this
Robert said it all. Interesting to note who is against it.
By Dana
December 18, 2006 1:18 PM | Link to this
Sounds like a great idea to me! Seems to me that only someone with something to hide would mind….. And as far as the cost to implement, this most likely will SAVE the taxpayers money on benefits and perks that are being given to illegals!
By Holly
December 18, 2006 1:24 PM | Link to this
ABSOLUTELY! I am tired of illegals being priveleged, and having rights that they shouldn’t have because they are illegal. PLEASE vote this in and put a stop to this!
By John Maher
December 18, 2006 1:26 PM | Link to this
Great exercise of common sense is near upon us.
By Englishspeakingcitizen
December 18, 2006 1:26 PM | Link to this
Absolutely yes. I don’t want neighbors who won’t identify themselves.
By Jim Rongstad
December 18, 2006 1:29 PM | Link to this
This is just another step on the road to a police state. Unfortunately it appears that many Americans have become sheeple and are supporting their own eventual enslavement.
By bboy
December 18, 2006 1:29 PM | Link to this
I wonder, is it possible to explain your position without using “idiot and stupid”, or are you reverting to your pre teen years when every thing was stupid or everyone was an idiot. I may not agree with you but I will not call you names. Be adult.
By Steve
December 18, 2006 1:34 PM | Link to this
Great news! Now add finger printing and DNA information. Also, make it a immigration and VISA requirement as well.
Why do only criminals have the right to have this information on file. Lets level the playing field.
By Rob Bennett
December 18, 2006 1:45 PM | Link to this
Absolutely…Why not? National IDs for all LEGAL US residents.
By JG
December 18, 2006 1:51 PM | Link to this
Yes, It is about time
By Toby
December 18, 2006 1:52 PM | Link to this
I think we know why Atlanta leads the country in fraud…
By Rich Pellegrino
December 18, 2006 2:03 PM | Link to this
Hmmm, very curious to me that the same politicians who want minorities and poor people to have a picture voter ID in GA are against the national law. Racism and classism at its best…
By thebiggestbrother
December 18, 2006 4:17 PM | Link to this
are yall crazy - yall wont be satisfied until there is a minuteman standing guard in every americans kitchen - little by little were are giving up all of our privacy - we made it this far without retinal scans and fingerprints - why now all of a sudden - this is more neo-con b.s. that’s moving us closer to the new world order under the guise of fighting terrorism and tracking illegals - if you dont stand up for something, you will fall for anything - so dont be so naive
By Peridot
December 18, 2006 4:22 PM | Link to this
* What is the world coming to???* What’s really scary is that so many people seem to be okay with this invasion of our privacy. I’ll pass on the retina scan, thank you very much.
By Bruthaman
December 18, 2006 4:30 PM | Link to this
Anyone that believes this is a GOOD idea, has got to be nuts. Do you really think that in this day and age the information contained in this so-called database would be HACK PROOF? What happens when this data base has a glitch and erases all your info? How do you prove your identity?
By Securtity Conscious
December 18, 2006 5:02 PM | Link to this
Excuse me…. does anyone know where to go to apply for a new retinas or fingerprints? when the US govt does get hacked, your information will become someone else’s. Don’t be stupid, this is another dumb law from politicians( republicans & demos) that has no actual safeguards or protection. There are many other ways to secure your identity and this country. Think….do you really want to compromise your actual identity ( retina, finger, etc…), I would much rather have my credit card stolen and deal with the hassle.
By S
December 18, 2006 5:22 PM | Link to this
Thebiggestbrother is correct about being naive. Don’t think for a minute that implementing national ID’s is going to cut down on people entering this country illegally. What it will do at the very least is enhance the already lucrative criminal enterprise of fraudulent ID’s and create a more efficient form of identity theft. Believe or not criminals also have to evolve with the times. They know the government gets better at trying to stop them and they respond in kind.
It was said at the dawn of the electronic era that storing a persons information digitally was needed in order to protect against fraud and everyone said YES. Since its implementation, identity theft is more common now than it was 30 years ago. Why? Before, you had to enter a building, go past a few people including a guard with a six shooter just to get to the room where the file cabinets with your precious info were kept . Now, all someone has to do is spend a couple of hours in front of a PC and he's got you. You call that an improvement? The government said after 911 that tighter airport security was needed to deter potential terrorist attacks and possibly to prevent people from entering this country illegally. Okay, so far, we're the only ones catching hell through the check points. They have us taking our shoes off, they're searching our bags, you can't bring most liquids on board-even though some are consumable-and you might get a pat down if you don't look right. Yet, they haven't caught any "real" terrorist-aka Al Queda-since its implementation. They would have us believe that those who would do us harm have run scared and are afraid of the big bad U S of A. That ain't the case. The criminal mind, Al Queda and the like, understand that times have changed and the rules of the game are now different and realize that they must change along with it. In essence they've gone back to the drawing board to work on a solution for the current situation and they will be back bigger and better and they'll hit harder and we who believe in and want all of this government crack down will be crying the hardest, wondering aloud why all of these great security measure our "honest" government pushed on us have failed...By JE Gilbreath
December 18, 2006 5:25 PM | Link to this
Absolutely! Yes, yes! In this time of stolen identities and voter fraud, it’s ridiculous to even debate the issue.
By Jere
December 18, 2006 5:31 PM | Link to this
Yes, most has been said. If the government does not do something soon it will be too late and none of us will be safe. A citizen’s rights should be protected. Non citizens should have to go through the legal process to be come legal with no exceptions.
By Yada Yada Yada
December 18, 2006 6:14 PM | Link to this
Hmmm, let’s see, the government issues marriage licenses, the government records live births throughout this country, the government issues Social Security numbers, the government has school records k-12, the government issues driver’s licenses, the government collects detailed information on tax returns till death do us part. Also Government record offices have been broken into and individual’s hard print files have been stolen/ hacked too!
Now besides a mandated government colonoscopy every morning to tell the government nose what you have for breakfast each day, exactly what do you pathetic mark-of-the-beast-libertarian-fruit-of-the-loony-bird-conspiracy-nut-jobs think you or any other U.S. citizens has left of any privacy importance to use in hiding your precious fully known identity from big brother government, when big brother government has every piece of your fractured puzzle in hand?
By Adrian Flynn
December 18, 2006 6:18 PM | Link to this
It sounds like a good idea to me with the provision that any PLACE OR FUNCTION that uses your Drivers Lisence for ID also be REQUIRED TO VERIFY YOUR RETINAL ID! If that is done it should end identity theft and illegal immigration!
Also with current technoligy it should put an end to car thieft as you would be required to use a fingerprint to start your car.
This should be backed to the fullest extent in all states and should be in place within the next year not in 2008.
By ron edmondson
December 18, 2006 7:11 PM | Link to this
it,s about time.
By walter loncosky
December 18, 2006 7:32 PM | Link to this
Look at reality. There is NO failsafe method to prevent a terrorist attack. Have you ever heard of Communism and police states? All this data collection provides government with the ability to control your life. If you want a one-party government, this program is for you. History warns us not to take steps like this. This law infringes on citizens. Foreigners will find a way to beat the system. Do you admire Russia and the Arab countries that much? This program fits right in with Germany in Hitler’s day. Wake up!
By Mike
December 18, 2006 7:46 PM | Link to this
Of course I’m in favor of this. You know you can trust the Government. JUST ASK ANY INDIAN!
By Sam
December 18, 2006 8:08 PM | Link to this
I don’t know why anyone would have a problem proving who they are. I always thought people’s pix should be on their credit cards and checks,to prevent fraud.The more the better.
By Gina Adams
December 18, 2006 8:42 PM | Link to this
why has this not been enacted before now? I have always believed that ID’s other than the SS# should be issued at birth. The finger prints and eye scan should eliminate any fraud. It is time the citizens of the U.S. are given priority over the illegal aliens.
By Don
December 18, 2006 8:57 PM | Link to this
Of course a national ID card is a good idea. Then all the federal government needs to do is require each state to put up a check point at each state line similar to the California agricultural check points. Then Big Brother can track everyone’s movements.
By Believer
December 18, 2006 9:25 PM | Link to this
Interesting comments above. It says a great deal about the character of those who wrote them… Just an observation and comment. Anyway, I thought this info might be relevant to some and to others perhaps… not so relevant, but it is still info none the less.
“And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: and that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark…” (if this sounds familiar I’m sure you know the rest and realize this is not a good thing)
and another intersting bit of random info which may be relevant to some and perhaps not to others…
“…but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand”