Ice Man

By Sage of Bluesland

December 23, 2008 7:55 AM | Link to this

FIRE DON WADDELL. STOP SUBSIDIZING THE INCOMPETENCE.

By PUTTING ON THE FOIL

December 23, 2008 8:26 AM | Link to this

FIRE WADDELL Quit analyzing this crap people. Only one thing needs to be said on this blog. FIRE WADDELL

By Nikita

December 23, 2008 8:29 AM | Link to this

So, the word I am getting is that the team was angry at each other last night. Wonder what would cause that, and why it seemed most pronounced in Ilya “backchecking? ha!” Kovalchuk.

By harleyman

December 23, 2008 8:31 AM | Link to this

FIRE WADDELL

By mo wanchuk

December 23, 2008 8:39 AM | Link to this

Please correct typo. It’s “Long Island”, not “Lon-Gisland.”

By Bob

December 23, 2008 8:54 AM | Link to this

Lehtonen’s rebound control last night was non-existant. He played horribly, but so did the all the guys.

Just keep reminding yourself: Build year, it’s a build year, Tavares, Tavares, one step closer to Waddell being gone, light at the end of the tunnel.

Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays, all.

By Rockem Sockem Thrasher

December 23, 2008 8:58 AM | Link to this

Until a change is made at the GM position and monster trade is made I think we will see more of the same.

Coach Anderson is doing the best with what DW has given him. I think that we could improve our chances by calling up more players from Chicago.

I’d like to see Grant Lewis up here, we could use a D-man with a +13. Also Spencer Machacek and Brett Sterling are having good years, lets see what they can do!

By Scotty

December 23, 2008 8:58 AM | Link to this

FIRE WADDELL

Hey Mo, I don’t think it’s a typo dude.

FIRE WADDELL

By Buzilla in CT

December 23, 2008 9:26 AM | Link to this

Maybe I am a jinx….

…or the Thrashers suck. What is with this rumor of us trading Kovy for Gaborik? The guys doing the game were talking about it last night. WTF?

And as someone from Long Island I would like to find the person that started the rumor that people from LI say “LonGIsland”. Only people outside of NY say that.

By Russian

December 23, 2008 9:30 AM | Link to this

I got an IDEA! Kovy needs to take a break. JA should not let him play 4 games - Carolina, Boston, Tornto, Carolina. Why does he need to do that. It is simple. If Don is going to trade Kovy, the team need to play with out Super Star. It will be good practice. Any way, they are nothing to loose. If they win 3 games with out Kovy, means team can do something with out Super Star, if they loose all games, they just will go to botton on the table. It is make sence. Kovy said taht Team did not have Talented Players. He is absolutly right. We have to try to win with out him.

And Of cause: FIRE WADDELL He is Suck of GM

By Buzilla in CT

December 23, 2008 9:32 AM | Link to this

And I agree with firing Waddell and selling the team to Arthur Blank

By Rawhide

December 23, 2008 9:36 AM | Link to this

stendec & sharon - Got your holiday greetings from last blog…thanks and same to to as well as to all the readers out there. I hope the holiday season brings great marriment and many blessings in the New Year.

mo wanchuck - Not a typo.

RST - Until a change is made at the GM position and monster trade is made I think we will see more of the same.

If so…it MUST be in THAT order.

POTF - Only one thing needs to be said on this blog. FIRE WADDELL

OK…FIRE WADDELL!!

Zilla - My official Islanders fan friend has confirmed it for me…”Lonnn-Gisland”.

By R. Stroz

December 23, 2008 9:53 AM | Link to this

Maybe I am a jinx….

…or the Thrashers suck

BOTH, LOL

By Alan

December 23, 2008 9:53 AM | Link to this

Fascinating rout of the Thrashers last evening. What can we do?Damn, this team isn’t looking well this season.

The answer might be more obvious than you think.

By Buzilla in CT

December 23, 2008 9:53 AM | Link to this

Big Willy Tilly - He is an Islander fan…How can you trust anything he says? I have bought you a beer at Gorin’s; I can be trusted not to lead you astray.

By the way, did anyone catch when the Toronto play by play guys mentioned that we would be better off not have letting go of Sutton? Not Savard mind you, Sutton. That was the fish that got away…

Toronto…The Cubs of Hockey

By Rawhide

December 23, 2008 10:05 AM | Link to this

Alan - Well done!

Zilla - By the way, did anyone catch when the Toronto play by play guys mentioned that we would be better off not have letting go of Sutton? Not Savard mind you, Sutton. That was the fish that got away…

Yeah, I thought I heard that…very interesting, eh?

Don’t really know what they are basing that on, though. Sure he blocked shots…but the Thrashers defense has never really been good.

Right now they are giving up 32.6 SA/G…last year it was 33.9. In the first two seasons after the lockout, years that Sutton played here, the blueline surrendered 30.8 and 31.5 SA/G.

Lower, yes…Considerably so? … Nope.

By Bob

December 23, 2008 10:07 AM | Link to this

Yep, I heard that when they said Sutton provided a lot of stability for us, lol. BTW, he’s out for the Isle for a month with a broken foot, and they just lost two more guys. Isle has about 10 guys out now with injury. If we don’t win this game tonite, they might as well just forfeit the rest of them.

Let’s talk system. Coach’s system. A couple of the usual suspect bloggers round these parts misguidedly thought that this lineup would gel under Coach’s system and that we’d be a pretty stout team right now.

To me, it’s pretty obvious that Coach’s system will not work at the NHL level. We have actually gotten worse in terms of goals against and shots allowed and our PK is even worse. Sure, we have dmen like Hainsey that can push the puck up ice, but like I had heard, Hainsey isn’t good in his own end, none of our dmen are good in their own end, and it shows in having the worst PK in the league, the worst goals allowed, etc.

Coach needs to re-tool his system, question is, can he do it? I think it’s not only a function of not being given the right guys (Fire Waddell) but the system just isn’t right for the NHL.

What say you?

By PLEASE

December 23, 2008 10:10 AM | Link to this

FIRE WADDELL NOW!

By The Joker

December 23, 2008 10:14 AM | Link to this

The Thrashers should be renamed the Swallows, because they really SUCK.

FIRE WADDELL

By ranallo10 (in AT)

December 23, 2008 10:20 AM | Link to this

What say you?

I’d say that when somebody playing the system compares it to the system played in Detroit, it’s merely a problem of personnel and/or chemistry. Any system can work in the NHL, there is no “guideline” to creating a successful system.

To me this team doesn’t seem to either A) get the system, or B) care to stick to the system, or C) all of the above.

Lack of effort could be evident of frustrated players who simply “don’t get it” turning to their instincts to make things work. When half the team is on a different page, nothing looks right and the team falls apart. Players get frustrated because passes are going errant, players are out of position, and nobody is marking Heatley, Spezza or Alfredson when they’re wide fricking open on the back post.

So, my assumption is that it’s far too early to say this system flat out doesn’t work. I assume that the positive correlation Kozlov made between Detroit’s system and Anderson’s system is a sign of better things to come; I take Anderson’s word that the players truly wont get it until January at the earliest (looks like he’s off on that guess, currently); and I hope that the personnel that better fits the system is put into place to help it succeed.

The Wolves players are all shining during their time up. They’re all playing the same system they won a championship last year at the AHL level. They know what coach wants of them, expects of them, and what their role is. I’d be willing to bet that the Wolves roster from last year would outperform the roster of the Thrashers currently (same opposition), simply due to understanding the system and having team chemistry.

I’m a patient person, I can give Anderson’s system time to develop without expecting him to scrap it and start anew (i.e., deviating from what made him the good coach he’s been up to this point of his career).

By Bob

December 23, 2008 10:24 AM | Link to this

lol, why am I not suprised at your answer, ranallo?

30th in the league? Give the system time! lol

By Alan

December 23, 2008 10:34 AM | Link to this

Rawhide - FIRE WADDELL!

Bob - To me, it’s pretty obvious that Coach’s system will not work at the NHL level.

I’m believe his system can work in the NHL. Just not with a the cast of characters we have currently.

Get a few more people who are offensively minded, a couple of good centers - via draft or trade, whatever works - and I think the system can work.

And I already know your next question, but it’s moot at this point. With any luck, any acquisitions and trades will be done by a new, more competent GM with a bit more hockey sense… and, dare I say, more than an IHL career.

Get Slater skating right, Thorburn some finishing skills, Valabik the ability to stay out of the box on a consistent basis, and we might see a bit of a change. It’s too soon to comment on Bogosian’s shortcomings, because we haven’t seen him really play yet.

We need to get our young guys playing good hockey, and I think that’s a failing of the conditioning coach… a coach we kept for this season. Slater still can’t maintain proper balance, Thorburn has stone hands, and Valabik - while he looks hundreds of times better now than he did just two months ago - he still needs reinforcements of fundamentals, and I’m not confident he’s receiving that.

I’m willing to give coach an opportunity to make his system work in the NHL, but he’s got to have the tools to make it work. Cunneyworth is a wonderful coach, as is Anderson. But the sooner we can get some players who will learn under this system, the sooner the system will prove itself.

By Scotty

December 23, 2008 10:58 AM | Link to this

Bob, I’m willing to give JA his time that is needed to prove his worth here. If that means being patient with his “system” so be it.

However I agree with you and the rest of the seeming majority when it comes to firing DW. This man has murdered us with his trade deals over the last few years and has set this team back years with them.

JA needs to be given a chance and needs to be given the opportunity to coach a team that a good GM could provide him.

By the way, I thought I heard a slight “FIRE WADDELL” chant coming through my TV as the last few minutes ticked off along with the “BOOs”.

Waddell’s time IS UP!

FIRE WADDELL!!

By ranallo10 (in AT)

December 23, 2008 10:59 AM | Link to this

Did you read my answer, Bob, in full?

I have this sneaking suspicion you tend to skim then find the one phrase that jumps out at you, and focus on it.

Re-read it, maybe you’ll understand what I’m trying to say. If not, it wouldn’t be the first time you don’t understand my point of view. I’ll live.

But…you asked for it, so what’s the point in ridiculing my response?

Alan — I agree with these two sentences:

Cunneyworth is a wonderful coach, as is Anderson. But the sooner we can get some players who will learn under this system, the sooner the system will prove itself.

By Hockey Biltong

December 23, 2008 11:19 AM | Link to this

Oh, btw, I’m pretty sure I heard the chant, ” Thrashers, Thrashers, You SUCK”, sometime in the second or third period.

By ranallo10 (in AT)

December 23, 2008 11:30 AM | Link to this

Hockey Biltong — My question is, was it from the home bench, or was it from the home crowd? Either way it’s a bad sign…

Based on the quantity of cheers during Toronto goals I wouldn’t be surprised if the Maple Leaf fans greatly outnumbered the Thrashers fans (as usual for Toronto games). Therefore, I wouldn’t be surprised if it was simply Toronto fans mocking the idiot Atlanta fans who were likely yelling “Pogge (mispronounced) Pogge, YOU SUCK!”.

By R. Stroz

December 23, 2008 11:39 AM | Link to this

ranallo10 - Actually, the Toronto fans didn’t outnumber the Atlanta fans; however, near the end of the game, even the Atlanta fans started cheering after Toronto’s goals.

BTW, during the last minute of the game, we started a pretty good FIRE WADDELL chant.

By Rogie

December 23, 2008 11:49 AM | Link to this

There is no heart in this team. The team meetings and the occasional chewing out by Anderson only seem to stir the soul of the team for one game at a time. An inspired win in Ottawa is followed by flat games. One has to ask, what’s the problem? Personnel….yes, this team at best should play .500 hockey but it shouldn’t play this poorly at its worst. Coaching? I think that JA was thrown into a no-win situation. The jury is out on him….I bet he would get full effort every night from more of his former players in Chicago….most of whom really aren’t ready for the NHL or would be marginal players at best in this league. Bottom line, this group doesn’t deeply believe they can win consistently and some players (veterans) just mail it in.

I agree that Waddell needs to go, but my point is that there’s more to the problem than just the GM. Sometimes a franchise needs a shakeup of personnel and a change in the “culture” in the locker room to succeed. (see this year’s Atlanta Falcons as an example..) A new GM can’t be afraid to bust up the team in order to set this rudderless ship in the right direction.

By Southside Rob

December 23, 2008 11:58 AM | Link to this

In your opinion, who are are top four defenders, and how does Boris match up with them?

By Smoothie

December 23, 2008 12:00 PM | Link to this

The Wolves players are all shining during their time up. They’re all playing the same system they won a championship last year at the AHL level. They know what coach wants of them, expects of them, and what their role is. I’d be willing to bet that the Wolves roster from last year would outperform the roster of the Thrashers currently (same opposition), simply due to understanding the system and having team chemistry.

ranallo — I couldn’t agree with you more at this point. From my perch in section 318, row G right behind the net I did not see any Thrashers hustling to the extent of Joey Crabb and Nathan Oystrick. Perhaps Perrin at times and even Thorburn, but Perrin gets manhandled by TOR’s size and Thorby is just flat limited in his skill-set. I’ve never seen a more lackluster, uninspired night of hockey in my life! And I’ve seen some crappy results in my five years of attending Thrashers games.

But Crabb was out there busting his a* and his stick was like a damn magnet for the puck. Oystrick seemed to know exactly what he wanted to do with the puck and was aggressive in attacking his man most of the time. Why is it that Crabb and Slater (when he’s not on his arse testing the quality of the ice surface) have more chemistry than Reasoner, Kovy and Thorburn? Apparently, Crabb’s presence on the 4th line has helped Slater becoming a better passer (not skater though) and that line actually has some modicum of chemistry.

I am right sick and tired of the inconsistent efforts by players such as Williams, Armstrong, Perrin and Boulton, the lack of passion every other game from our “leader” Kovalchuk, White the Whiffer and his over passing, Kozlov’s slow skating and fear of contact, Hainsey’s errant slapper, Enstrom’s brain farts, Havelid’s lack of youth and speed, Schneider’s ill-timed decisions and unnecessarily fancy play “making” disguised as turnovers, Valabik’s and XLB’s inability to pass a puck accurately, Thorburn’s inability to finish plays (or create them) and Reasoner’s failure to win face-offs against 1st line competition.

The other thing that really chagrined me was the team’s total lack of fire, passion and interest in playing rough against a team of cheap-shot artists who talk smack in the press and beg to be slapped around like $5 hoes. It’s time for the ax to fall on DWad’s neck and for JA to hold open tryouts for any willing and able Chicago Wolves player that wants to play in the NHL.

By NASCAR Dave

December 23, 2008 12:10 PM | Link to this

I’ve said a thousand times before, and I’ll keep on saying it…

EVERY problem on this team is DIRECTLY related to choices made by the INCOMPETENT Donnie FRAUDell…

Glad to see everyone here agreeing on this point…

FIRE WADDELL!!!

By NASCAR Dave

December 23, 2008 12:19 PM | Link to this

NASCAR Dave Prediction Time…

If they lose tonight in Long Island, WADDELL WILL be fired… Seriously.

By the way, could somebody jog my memory for me??? What day was it that CURT FRASER was fired???

Hmmm… Will Karma return???

By HonkyTonkHockey

December 23, 2008 12:24 PM | Link to this

I agree with the general sentiment on this thread that JA’s system will work with the right personnel. The current stooges that we have on the roster (with the exception of the Wolves alumni) need to all go (ok..Hainsey and Bogo can stay). If Kovy doesn’t want to man up, lead the team and play hard then send him on to Detroit where he can play his best hockey ever.

I have been to 11 home games this season and only seen them win twice!!! That is pathetic. I am getting tired of walking out of Philips listening to the opposing team’s fans hoot and holler. Not my idea of fun at all.

Coach needs to bench these repeat offenders and bring up the rookies. He also needs to corner Waddell and get him to bring us in some top line talent to help lead these young crusaders (known as the Wolves currently).

By Tony C.

December 23, 2008 12:25 PM | Link to this

I’d like wish everyone a very Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkhah, Krunk Kwanza, Fantastic Festivus& a Super Solstice

Basically happy holidays!

Yesterday was my daughter’s birthday, so its pretty tough t ruin the good feelings that produced, but WOW, Le Thrash did their best to kill that buzz. I haven’t seen many performances that were that crappy even from Le Thrash.

I question the notion of trading #17, but I think last night confirms that this guy just isn’t seeing what he wants out of his teammates-add that to the persistent rumors that he’s going to be traded for an inferior scorer (Gaborik; skill-wise it might be a wash, but #17 has been on the IR his whole career equal to the time Gaborik is on IR in a single season), then it’s no small wonder he’s playing like crap right now.

ugh.

FIRE WADDELL

By The Joker

December 23, 2008 12:26 PM | Link to this

Wouldn’t it be funny if Waddell is fired and Hartley is brought in as the GM?

By ranallo10 (in AT)

December 23, 2008 12:31 PM | Link to this

*NASCAR Dave Prediction Time… *

Oh…is this like the “The Falcons wont win 4 games this year, NUFF SAID! GO DAWGS!” prediction earlier this season? Good job on that one by the way.

*Glad to see everyone here agreeing on this point… *

Haha, if anything you’re following the crowd, not leading the masses. Of the regular posters, Bob and Sage have been the most outspoken for the longest time regarding Waddell being the flaw of this team. Stop piggybacking other people’s opinions and trying to chalk them up as your own. You may as well post “yeah, what he said”.

Smoothie — I liked that in your above post you never once mentioned Little. I’m sure his efforts are lost due to the team as a whole’s lack of performance, but I still like that kid. I hope he continues to develop as a second or first line player for this team…he’ll be very useful long term.

By R. Stroz

December 23, 2008 12:32 PM | Link to this

Smoothie - Did you stay long enough to chant FIRE WADDELL?

By Krust

December 23, 2008 12:41 PM | Link to this

I skipped my first game of the year. Thank god, Again the thrashers go on a public skating session. God oh please god fire Waddell, I can’t take it.

By Smoothie

December 23, 2008 12:58 PM | Link to this

rstroz — I posted on the now defunct Rawhide blog, to wit:

*December 23, 2008 11:35 AM | Link to this

jason and RStroz — I was in 318, row G with my GF (red Santa hats) and I joined in the “Fire Waddell” chant which began when the nice chaps behind us in row H began the chant in earnest. I would have kept going despite the drum, but I didn’t want to completely spoil my GF’s burgeoning interest in hockey. Too bad the Thrashers didn’t actually play what is commonly referred to as hockey last night…well, except Joey Crabb and Nate Oystrick. BRING UP THE WOLVES!!!*

Even my GF, who is relatively new to the NHL experience, expressed her disgust in the following e-mail:

*Kovy needs to get ahold of some guyliner and some inspiration. Maybe he needs to head home to the U.S.S.R. for a little R+R and reality CHECKING (pun intended). Wake up! Also…all these clowns that are just like “who wants this thing?” when they get the puck…????? Do they not have training/practice for what one does when one gets ahold of one of those things? It’s ridiculous! No one should see the behavior of a 9 yr old GIRL at recess reflected in grown men hockey players making BANK to play a game they allegedly love!

I don’t think I could say it any better. Perhaps JA can set up a practice time obstacle course / challenge event with “guyliner” and “manscara” stations in which they compete for ice time by racing each other for time in applying their make-up and hair gel for their appearance under the lights on NHL ice.

By HonkyTonkHockey

December 23, 2008 1:16 PM | Link to this

I keep refreshing my Thrashers Top News RSS feed…waiting for that glorious moment when I read “Waddell fired. New GM to be announced soon!”. It can’t happen soon enough….my F5 key is wearing out!

By Cindy Crotchby

December 23, 2008 1:20 PM | Link to this

My favorite song:

Baby Got Boris

I like big balls,

this I can’t deny,

I like them from behind,

grab’um on the sly,

If I can’t get nuts,

I just want to cry.

By Buzilla in CT

December 23, 2008 1:27 PM | Link to this

I am offended by the balls song

By stendec

December 23, 2008 1:30 PM | Link to this

Forgive intrusion. I finally got to see what Ilya “Superstars Do Not Hustle” Kovalchuk did, or more aptly, failed to do, on Leaf goal. Such actions simply must not be tolerated! From any paid professionals. Please bench him for a few games as a punishment. He has not been worth a damn this season anyway! Do not issue a “C” this year. Might be a great idea to take back all the “A”s too. No leaders in this bunch! Kovy wants a trade (yes). Ship Russian quitter to Detroit, Lions not Wings, where he will fit right in with all the other professionals who have quit on fans. Hukkam Liveuk Peelak!

By Smoothie

December 23, 2008 1:31 PM | Link to this

ranallo — I purposely did not indict Little as I generally do not find fault with his effort and play. He is still learning and, thanks be to God, developing within the system. He’s one of the few that seems to bring consistent energy every period. Yes, he may have his share of lapses too, but he’s what, 21? So young and so full of potential. I would like to say the same thing about Enstrom, but he has generally been awful this year compared to last. How many times has Toby fallen asleep next to the net as an unmarked player taps in a puck on an open net on the power play??

By Rawhide

December 23, 2008 1:37 PM | Link to this

Southside Rob - In your opinion, who are are top four defenders, and how does Boris match up with them?

If you are referring to the top for Thrashers blueliners…I would say Hainsey, Enstrom, Havelid and Oystrik…Bogosian once he returns and gets his skates back under him.

How does Boris stack up to them? I think right now he is a good fit as a third line defender.

However, once Bogey does come back and is ready for all of minutes, I would have Enstrom Havelid, Hainsey and Bogosian as the top four…Schneider and Oystrick as the third line. Valabik as the #7 guy rotating with them and XLB out.

By NASCAR Dave

December 23, 2008 1:38 PM | Link to this

Oh…is this like the “The Falcons wont win 4 games this year, NUFF SAID! GO DAWGS!” prediction earlier this season? Good job on that one by the way.

RANALLO - Don’t even go there, dude… You know what I predicted for the Falcons… I said “8-8, No Playoffs”… At the time, that was the most POSTIVE prediction out of ANY of the bloggers…

Don’t believe me??? Go back and look it up, it’s on RAWHIDE’s blog where he asked everyone to make predictions for Atlanta teams.

Don’t get mad at me because I am right and you are wrong… Maybe just re-analyze your train of thoughts and quit trying to fool yourself into believing this team is NOT a trainwreck, because IT IS.

Face it, I know more about this team than you, and I’m a freaking amateur… Never skated in my life… Just been a fan of the game since the Early 70’s…

All I do is give my observations AND offer up suggestions on how to change things…

Too bad people like SAGE/BOB/R. STROZ/LAC/MYSELF can see the problem and you can’t…

It’s really just too bad, ain’t it??? Stop crying, baby. Get over it…

NUFF SAID.

By HonkyTonkHockey

December 23, 2008 1:40 PM | Link to this

hmmm…..”….XLB out.” Well said Rawhide…well said. They can just let him roam the club section and pimp his wares there. He is not NHL caliber and I don’t think he ever will be. Dude can’t fight, can’t pass and doesn’t score. Why is he playing on our team?

By NASCAR Dave

December 23, 2008 1:45 PM | Link to this

For the Revisionist History Artist, Ranallo10

It’s a funny blog too, Ranallo… I especially like the first few posts where people like GAVA/ALAN/and yourself say the TRASH will be Atlanta’s best team… LOL

Keep on trying, buddy… And I’ll keep on out-playing you… LOL

GO FALCONS!!!

NUFF SAID.

By Alan

December 23, 2008 2:08 PM | Link to this

Oh hey, it’s Gre—, er, I mean NASCAR DAVE again! Long time no see! I see you’re still living in the past. While you’re back there, would you mind giving Waddell a call and asking him to draft the Sedins instead? That would be pretty swell.

Apparently, I was wrong about the Thrashers. However, I want you to tell me, did anyone expect the Falcons to have this sort of record? Did anyone expect them to go to the playoffs? I’m almost certain that answer is no.

So … four left turns… is that moving “in the right direction?” Don Waddell might actually be your co-pilot.

By NASCAR Dave

December 23, 2008 2:15 PM | Link to this

ALAN Please elaborate on WHY you think the Thrashers will be Atlanta’s best team this year…

And good luck, because you have a lot of laps (I mean ground) to make up… The Falcons are going to the Playoffs and the Hawks sure look like they will, also (Like I said, by the way…)

:)

I can’t wait to hear this one, LOL…

By Alan

December 23, 2008 2:21 PM | Link to this

ALAN Please elaborate on WHY you think the Thrashers will be Atlanta’s best team this year…

Hey, can you read?

Let’s try this again.

Apparently, I was wrong about the Thrashers.

Can you read that? Do you see what I wrote? Are you this dumb in person? No wonder NASCAR is your thing.

By Smoothie

December 23, 2008 2:27 PM | Link to this

Can y’all use more of your energy to criticize and admonish the Thrashers rather than engage in silly pi$$ing contests that matter not? Who cares who predicted what? Who will be right about when Waddell finally gets fired? Does it matter? As long as he actually gets fired! It’s a message board, not a competition in prognostication.

By Alan

December 23, 2008 2:38 PM | Link to this

Smoothie - The only thing that needs to be said about the Thrashers is FIRE WADDELL.

Hope that clears things up a bit.

By Stan Drulia

December 23, 2008 2:51 PM | Link to this

I have a great idea! Standec and Bob should hook up and make a whole bunch of man-love babies. Then they could have their very own hockey team that would do everything right and basically RULE THE UNIVERSE! It would be one miserable group of freaks but man would they have a great win percentage…

By Sage of Bluesland

December 23, 2008 2:54 PM | Link to this

Great link, Dave—It’s funny to see the obfuscation taking place from the lambchops! They are getting like Donny these days!

Accountability—even on the message boards…There should be more of it…

Thanks again, Dave—Thank you for your diligence…

By Bob

December 23, 2008 3:06 PM | Link to this

I don’t know, Smoothie, I find it pretty enlightening to look at context, and based on Alan’s opinions in the context of looking back later and see what’s what, mabye he was the one smoking!

lol, Alan, geez, even a broken clock is right twice a day, you had some doozies in that blog! I picked Hawks as best record, that should play out, Alan wanted to know who had the ganja, mon, and pass the dutchie on the left hand side.

Alan had the Thrashers as the best, I shouldn’t lol too bad, I picked them second, and had the Dirty Birds last.

Alan also dissing on the best GM in the league, who by the way, just landed the most high profile job in the league.

lol all the way around.

See, it’s funny to go back and see the opinions of some, as in adds context to their future opinions, and which ones to discount as misinformed.

By Bob

December 23, 2008 3:12 PM | Link to this

Stan Drulia? Really, that’s your hero? At least pick a Knight that was a real hockey player, like Jason Ruff, Chris LiPuma, have you a little Mike Greenlay, eh?. Or you fancy the little pansie’s like Drulia? lol. Merry Christmas, Tinkerbell.

By dhj_1962

December 23, 2008 3:27 PM | Link to this

GREAT SONG CINDY!!!! AND ATL DOES NOT HAVE 4 FIRST LINE D-MEN.

By Alan

December 23, 2008 3:35 PM | Link to this

It’s funny how opinions change, yet Bob remains the same. I already acknowledged I was wrong about the Thrashers …something you’ve failed to do thus far.

As for your favorite GM, we’ll see how good he really is in a few years. He’ll either turn Toronto around or he won’t.

I’m laughing, but it’s not with you. :)

By Stan Drulia

December 23, 2008 3:45 PM | Link to this

Haha!!! I love me some Bob. He even hates on a minor league team from over ten years ago! Hey Bob, can you give us a detailed analysis of what exactly the Knights did wrong so that maybe we can get in a time machine and make them as good as they should have been?

I could have also gone with Jeff Maddill, Steve Larouche or Jim Cummins… but I have a lot of respect for Drulia… ‘respect’ Bob, something you have, and deserve, none of.

I guess I could have given my blog name more thought… something interesting that related to Atlanta hockey.. like Bo… oh sorry Bob, you got that one.

By ranallo10 (in AT)

December 23, 2008 3:48 PM | Link to this

Okay, I waited for a while and my post still hasn’t appeared, so I’ll give a synopsis:

Dave — Learn to read if you’re going to site the past.

It’s sad that the Atlanta Thrashers are the best professional sports team in town, based on winning percentage.

I don’t see any posts where I predicted the Thrashers doing well (i.e. playoffs). Feel free to find one though.

I don’t guess wins/losses…it’s pointless to me. Ask Brendan, I did not partake in this year’s Guess How Bad The Thrashers Will Be contest…I don’t revel in my favorite team’s demise, nor want to predict exactly how poorly they’ll perform.

But you’re right, I was wrong about your Falcons prediction. My apologies. I thought you said 4 wins…again, my bad.

Bob — Since I wasn’t in Atlanta at the time I didn’t see Drulia play…was he the Briere of the IHL? If so, was his point production (lead the team three straight seasons) that much worse than his lack of physical play? I’m not fan of Diving Daniel Briere, but I’d rather Briere on my team than Eric Perrin. That doesn’t discount Perrin’s abilities, but a goalscorer and point producer is much more valuable than a two-way grinder, in my opinion. Thus, unless Drulia crumpled at the site of someone over 5’11, I think I’d rather him over the other players you mentioned. But hey, I’m admittedly lacking when it comes to knowledge of 1990s minor league hockey.

By R. Stroz

December 23, 2008 3:49 PM | Link to this

If they lose tonight in Long Island, WADDELL WILL be fired.

If NASCAR Dave gets this prediction correct, I think we all can agree, everyone will be happy.

By Bob

December 23, 2008 3:55 PM | Link to this

He even hates on a minor league team from over ten years ago! Hey Bob, can you give us a detailed analysis of what exactly the Knights did wrong so that maybe we can get in a time machine and make them as good as they should have been

Not hatin on them, those were my boys, had center ice season tix for years for the Knights. They did nothing wrong, and have the Turner Cup rings to prove it (and I drank from that Cup in Jocks and Jills). I would take that club back in a heartbeat and be a completely happy hockey fan, those games were fun and it was a well run club that got pushed out of town.

But let me guess, you still yell Knights during the anthem, eh? lol.

Now, LaRouche would have been good, Cummins was a bum. Can’t say I recall Madill, but I loved me some Jason RuuuuuFFFFF.

ranallo, Stan Drulia = Jason Krog. Mighty Mouse in the I/AHL, shrinking violet in the show.

By Stan Drulia

December 23, 2008 4:00 PM | Link to this

Ranallo10 —- I did live here during the Knights stay and Drulia was a total stand up dude. Great goal scorer, showed up every night and stuck up for his team when he needed to. I love the three guys that Bob mentioned also, but I would be willing to bet that if you asked them what they think of Drulia, they would tell you that he was a great captain.

I have to say, the Tinkerbell thing is pretty hilarious though.. I hate to admit it… well-played Bob.

By Bob

December 23, 2008 4:05 PM | Link to this

As for your favorite GM, we’ll see how good he really is in a few years. He’ll either turn Toronto around or he won’t

Look at the smart moves already made pulling up Williams and now the goalie. They’re 1 pt out of the playoffs and on fire since Darth Burkie arrived on the scene. The mere presence of such greatness in Budland has morphed mere hockey players into solid, nay, superhuman athletes capable of feats that boggle the mind!

lol. Let’s bookmark this one, Alan. You’re on record saying he’ll fail, do I read that clear?

I say he has that club turned around within 2 years and well on it’s way to consistent deep playoff runs, starting next year. Tronna will be erecting monuments in his honor, taunts of ‘67 ne’er to be heard again. So sayeth me. What say you?

By ranallo10 (in AT)

December 23, 2008 4:12 PM | Link to this

So sayeth me. What say you?

Is that just for Alan to answer, or am I allowed to make a guess?

Stan Drulia (no, not the real one) — Thanks, it’s always good to hear a bit about Atlanta’s minor league hockey history.

ranallo, Stan Drulia = Jason Krog. Mighty Mouse in the I/AHL, shrinking violet in the show.

So, were the other guys you mentioned good players in the NHL? I mean, we are comparing apples to apples here (IHLers to IHLers), right? In that case, I’ll take Jason Krog over Steve Martins or Jamie Rivers, any day.

By Five for Fighting

December 23, 2008 4:15 PM | Link to this

I think we all just need to face facts.

This is a doomed franchise, living on borrowed time. Within five years, the team will have either folded or moved to Hamilton, Kansas City, Winnipeg, or some other better clime. Maybe even Hartford. But it’s not going to be here in Atlanta. After this long, the dysfunction inherent in the entire organization just cannot be overcome.

Let’s say, for arguments’ sake, that ASG finally realizes the liability that Don Waddell represents to the on-ice product. Let’s say they do fire him. Who is going to take his place? Really?

And will that person be able immediately to lure better players to this wreck of a franchise? Will that person be able to keep Kovalchuk from jumping ship - ‘cause deep down, we all know that one’s coming.

Will that person be able to put fans back into the seats?

Look at how poorly just about everything is run for this team: from poor team branding, to god-awful uniforms (first, an incomprehensible logo to a new red jersey which ranks amongst the ugliest in sports), to poor player management. Almost every single thing this franchise does, it does poorly.

No one wants to work here. No on wants to play here. The fans don’t want to come to the games. And why would they? It’s all BAD.

It saddens me to say it, but the more I look at this rationally, the more and more I’m convinced that this is simply a dead franchise.

By Buzilla in CT

December 23, 2008 4:17 PM | Link to this

Hartford Thrashers….that would be sweet

…sorry

By Alan

December 23, 2008 4:22 PM | Link to this

You’re on record saying he’ll fail, do I read that clear?

Yet again, everything has to be black and white with you.

The answer, of course, is no. You don’t read that clear. But you never seem to anyway, so it’s a moot point for me to dignify that with a response.

Cease with the inferences and loaded questions, and I’ll dignify you with a proper response with my thoughts on his future in Toronto. Until then …

By Scott

December 23, 2008 4:25 PM | Link to this

Don’t get me wrong, I’d love to see the Thrash win, but at this point I’d settle for 60 minutes of effort. They can roll 2 or three lines and send the rest of the quitters to the locker room or the press box - maybe the quitters could detail my car while I’m at the game so I’d get some value for the $180 I spend to get my son and I in the door.

Bring up Sterling, bring up Stuart, bring up anyone who is willing to play for 60 minutes.

And oh yeah, even though it’s not an original thought, FIRE WADDELL

By Bob

December 23, 2008 4:25 PM | Link to this

or am I allowed to make a guess?

No questions. No Soup for You! Back of line.

the more and more I’m convinced that this is simply a dead franchise

Thanks a lot, Scrooge. But yes, there is a Santa Claus out there somewhere, Virginia. The Thrashers will not move. The club will succeed one day. All it takes to get that rolling is one simple move, get a competent GM.

By NASCAR Dave

December 23, 2008 4:27 PM | Link to this

You know, I get blasted a lot by some of the Sheeplings here for singling out some the underperforming players on our team (apparently they are all “likeable team guys”)… LOL

Well, let’s take a look at some stats:

JIM SLATER Games Played=33, Goals=2, Assists=6, Points=8, +/-= -5

ERIC PERRIN Games Played=32, Goals=3, Assists=6, Points=9, +/-= -4

ERIC CHRISTENSEN Games Played=21, Goals=1, Assists=7, Points=8, +/-= -8

MATTHIEU SCHNEIDER Games Played=20, Goals=2, Assists=5, Points=7, +/-= -9

Now, I don’t give a crap if they ARE “Great Team Guys”… THEY ARE NOT GETTING IT DONE!!!

NONE of these players are worth a damn!!!

This is how DONNIE FRAUDELL hamstrings our team, by CONSTANTLY clogging up Roster Spots with these NO-TALENT HACKS!!!

FIRE WADDELL!!!

FIRE WADDELL!!!

FIRE WADDELL!!!

DONNIE FRAUDELL does NOT know how to properly construct a team!!! WTF??? How many more years of THIS CRAP???

NUFF SAID.

By ranallo10 (in AT)

December 23, 2008 4:32 PM | Link to this

*No questions. No Soup for You! Back of line. *

Damn.

By NASCAR Dave

December 23, 2008 4:35 PM | Link to this

Dave — Learn to read if you’re going to site the past.

RANALLO - I know how to read… But do YOU know how to SPELL???

LOL

By R. Stroz

December 23, 2008 4:47 PM | Link to this

If Waddell was on a race track, he’d be the only driver making a right hand turn, wondering all the while, why everyone else was going the wrong way.

By Nikita

December 23, 2008 4:51 PM | Link to this

Yawn.

So, my assumption is that it’s far too early to say this system flat out doesn’t work.

Yep. Plus, it’s not true. It doesn’t work with the current set of players at this stage — but the system’s fine and it works for a lot of teams that are currently beating the tar out of the Thrash on a regular basis.

ad I hope that the personnel that better fits the system is put into place to help it succeed.

Yep.

First out: Erik Christensen and Garnet Exelby.

Next out: Nic Havelid and Jim Slater.

Also, I’m sick of hearing about how Saint Kovy gets discouraged because his wee wittle self-esteem can’t handle sharing a line with two people who were put there solely to help him and who are doing a competent job. If Kovy wants top linemates (and I doubt that given how poorly he has meshed with every top-tier linemate he’s ever had), he needs to earn them — perhaps by backchecking or by actually receiving passes.

Ultimately (perhaps in January), I’d like to see a few key pieces added. But honestly, talent is not the issue, per se. Heart is. And the Thrashers do not have it.

By Bob

December 23, 2008 4:56 PM | Link to this

Oh come on, Alan, pretty please? You are all hot with the insults early this year about how I was smokin, now that you’re proven wrong, you gonna stick your head back in the hole? lol.

If you’re gonna sling mud, don’t b*** when you get dirty, Sally.

Ok, how about this, do you think Brian Burke, aka Darth Burkie will succeed, or will he fail in Tronna?

I will define success. Success = a winning club that wins at least a couple round in the playoffs within a couple years.

By R. Stroz

December 23, 2008 5:00 PM | Link to this

But honestly, talent is not the issue, per se. Heart is. And the Thrashers do not have it.

This team is mainly made up of mules at a horse race.

Talent and heart are the issues.

By ranallo10 (in AT)

December 23, 2008 5:00 PM | Link to this

Good one, we’re back in third grade now.

This is what I think about every time I see the word NASCAR.

By Alan

December 23, 2008 5:06 PM | Link to this

Stick my head in what hole, Bobette? Come on, now. We have a common denominator here as fans, but a difference in opinion regarding who the “best GM in the league” is. Hence why I said you were bogarting the ganj, mon.

… So, are your buds premium, homegrown stuff, or does the dealer lace them with other drugs first? ;) I kid.

Success = a winning club that wins at least a couple round in the playoffs within a couple years.

Under that definition of ‘success,’ I see it happening somewhere between three and five years, for Burke. I’m reluctant to say anything sooner. My optimism tends to come back to bite me in the end.

By R. Stroz

December 23, 2008 5:09 PM | Link to this

ranallo10 - That was good; but, I like this one better.

By Nikita

December 23, 2008 5:25 PM | Link to this

I repeat: talent is not the issue. Teams with better talent are below us in the standings, while teams with similar potential are above us. Talent is at most incidental to our current record. It would be nice to have a slight upgrade, but it doesn’t guarantee anything. See Ottawa, for example. Plenty of talent, and jack to show for it.

But heart is central. The team doesn’t have it. I have no idea why. Apparently it’s a major trial being asked to show up and play 60 minutes 82 games a year for upwards of half a mill.

I think I’m resolving not to see the Thrash at Phillips any more. I can watch them dial in their home games from my couch or car, and I’m fairly angry that they have yet to win anything when I pay to see them and bring others to do the same. And for those I can afford to see away, at least I know I’ll have a better shot at seeing the team win. So far I have booked Nashville and Chicago — I’m now trying to decide between Montreal and Vancouver.

By HookyBob

December 23, 2008 5:44 PM | Link to this

Bob: I’ve learned to expect good questions from you and “Can JA’s system work in the NHL?” fills that expectation.

My response is a definite “maybe,”…but it is much more difficult in the new cap era. See where I’m going on this? If your first two lines are made up of Allstars, the answer is definitely yes. Anyone recall the system used by the Oilers of the early 80’s?

However, the current make up of our boys in Blue sees them getting outmuscled on the boards (and in front of the both nets). I also think JA’s system requires strong discipline,…which I haven’t really seen.

So I have laid out a GM shortfall and a coaching shortfall. BTW: I do think Kovy needs to be benched (maybe the Boston game). That fits with Russian’s suggestion.

Also, like the idea of taking all the “A”s away (was that Smoothie?). Don’t know if that is feasible though. So let me ask,…Is there a leader in this group? That may be a part of the problem. Better yet,..bloggers Who is the player leader of this team?

This season, as others, has made our team emotional headcases. This can be really hard to overcome. They are pros though, is it too much to ask for more fight in them?

I would so love to see more toughness on this team. More Joey. More Nathan. Maybe more Boris. More Gordie Howe hat tricks. Have we gotten any Gordie Howe hatricks yet? Who is our most gritty player on the first two lines? Hockey is a physical game and we loose anytime we play a physical team. I’d hate to see how many points we’d have if we played in the Western Conf.

At the game last night I recall thinking this Toronto team is much better than any I have seen in the last,..oh.. 20 years. It is very possible that with Wilson and Burke they will become a playoff contender. Brings back meomories of Terry Sawchuk, Tim Horton, Dave Keon and Paul Henderson. Kinda hurts when the cheers for the opposing teams goals are so loud though. Could they be turning things around in Toronto?

Bottom line of all my dribble: Things aren’t going to get better here as long as Wadelld is GM. And,…lots of questions for you bloggers.

By R. Stroz

December 23, 2008 5:45 PM | Link to this

Teams with better talent are below us in the standings, while teams with similar potential are above us.

There are only two teams below us in the standings, the Islanders and Bolts. BTW, ten starting Islanders are injured.

Talent and Heart

By Nikita

December 23, 2008 5:58 PM | Link to this

Tampa is infinitely more talented than we are. For that matter, of the five teams within spitting distance in the standings, all of them are much more talented than we appear to be. But those teams include Ottawa and Toronto, neither of which is likely to get far out of the basement this year because they lack other, more important, essential things.

On the other end, several of the top teams are not necessarily that naturally talented, but have systems that work and a rock-solid work ethic. Which is 2/3rds of success. Talent is nice, but it won’t make up for work or a working system. And it’s premature and silly for us to make the team’s failures about the talent when on any given night the team’s success depends entirely on whether the team feels like doing any work or not.

We didn’t lose last night on talent. We lost because we didn’t care enough to win.

By R. Stroz

December 23, 2008 6:37 PM | Link to this

Nikita - The team has to have enough talent for the heart part to kick in.

The Thrashers have neither.

Little, Kovalchuk, and Hainsey are talented players. Past that point, we are basically a bunch of third and fourth line players. And of those third and fourth line players, many are undersized and are unable or unwilling to play a physical game (Williams, Christensen, White) I’ll give Perrin credit for busting his tail; but, this team has too many life long soft players. The players with some size, think Thorburn, have hands of stone or are slow as a snail (Exelby). The Thrashers have too many handicaps to play with other teams. As you would say, the Thrashers lack important essential things.

So what happens, the talented players eventually throw in the towel, only the young hungry unjaded players such as Crabb and Oystrick bust their humps.

Last night, the Thrashers should no heart or talent.

By Rogie

December 23, 2008 8:51 PM | Link to this

Stroz:

You are exactly right in your analysis. I do think that some teams might covet Kozlov as he still plays as well as anyone when he tries. What I see in players like Oystrick and Crabb is what I saw in Exelby 5 years ago in his first full season. Seems like he has lost a step or two or he just has lost heart (maybe both).

There are too many mediocre journeyman veterans on this team that play uninspired. They are the sort of players that will “suddenly” raise their game at the end of February in hope of being added as a depth player on a team with playoff hopes. The best the Thrashers would get out of that would be a prospect or a draft choice.

By LAC

December 23, 2008 8:56 PM | Link to this

Have to agree, the Thrashers will NOT be in Atlanta within three years, Why ? owners and don waddell.

Since inception,this team has been a mess waddell is without question the absolute WORST GM in the entire history of the NHL.

Just look at overall pick #1 Stafan AWFUL, Rhoades and one and one and on with worn out players, and the few GOOD players he does not even try to keep…

This team needs an transfusion and NOW not one second later.

These worthless LIAR owners, led by the Master Liar rutherford “STUPID” snydel a man who does not deserve one ounce of respect, I’ll still kick your A$$ rutherford you worthless snot nosed punk, and Liar… Oh I mean drunk Potty Mouth levenson, look at these guys all losers all LIARS all most likely criminals as well.

They and waddell have effectivly killed NHL hockey here, it’s winding down and once #17 leaves and he will, the team and complete franchise is toast in Atlanta and the NHL will NEVER return !!!

And the Island ties the score on another SOFT goal… I think it’s best to fold the franchise now and forget NHL hockey in Atlanta… Thanks liars and waddell… I hope ALL of you burn and rot in HELL when you die for what you have put us all through !

By Alan

December 23, 2008 9:07 PM | Link to this

Congrats for Kovalchuk! 500pts in 500 games!

By Thrashy Thrashy

December 23, 2008 10:17 PM | Link to this

What kind of dick would suggest that it’s better for a franchise in this town to fold?

LAC, you are a dick. Rail against the owners and GM and players all you want, but don’t suggest that it’s better for the team to leave. Real hockey fans don’t want hockey to leave.

Dick.

Nice win for the Thrashers…

By sisu

December 23, 2008 10:45 PM | Link to this

So DW thinks that the team is doing ok and would be right in the thick of the playoff race (at least that is what it sounded like he was referring to) if the team would only play 60 minutes each game. So everything is fine and he is looking for players that would be waived due to salary cap…courtesy of the game broadcast on 680.

A good win, even if it was one they were “supposed” to win.

By Alan

December 23, 2008 10:58 PM | Link to this

Holy crap, San Jose is rocking Vancouver 5-0, and the second period just started.

By glovesave29

December 23, 2008 10:59 PM | Link to this

Couple of things…

1. It’s not the moves BURKE is making in Toronto, it’s the fact he trusts his coach (who is a good one) to make moves and adjustments as he sees fit.

2. Stan Drulia was BY FAR the best Knight…hands down. Madill was a career IHLer and Ruff and Larouche were head cases. If you want to go by pure talent alone, Ken Hodge was the best - but he was the ultimate prima donna and thought his name alone would get him to the show. Greenlay had that great run to the Cup, but for pure talent, Bergeron was a better keeper.

3. The Knights were not run out of town…the Omni NEEDED to be destroyed. It was falling apart. The holes in the exterior between it and the CNN Center were just the beginning. Everything was leaking down below!

4. Kovy is not being a prima donna. Why don’t you go try to your job as an adult and your entire support staff are 2nd graders. Do that for a few months, see how much of the weight you are pulling - then come back and talk to us.

5. With the Coyotes asking for financial help, the bidding will begin with them first. In todays economy, let’s see how many serious bidders come up. I see them moving, not us…yet.

6. The will NEVER be a Hartford Thrashers…they would revive the Whaler name first.

7. Can someone tell me exactly what Anderson’s system is anyhow? Why is it so difficult to grasp? These are PROS after all. With changing rosters every year due to FA, will we have to put up with the learning curve each season?

8. Did anyone else want to climb through the radio speaker tonight during the Waddell interview? Don, do us a favor…RESIGN - NOW!!!

By Jethro

December 23, 2008 11:03 PM | Link to this

Hey tharr Rawhide, arr you gonna push out, force out, shuve out, or eeck out anuther blog befur Christmas?

Shure was guud to beat tha crap outta sum teem, even if they arr at tha bottum of tha standins.

By Alan

December 23, 2008 11:14 PM | Link to this

Jethro - They’re also at the bottom of the bowl.

Flussssh