Ice Man

By TNT

March 7, 2008 3:23 PM | Link to this

I’m with you about losing for a good draft pick. As pathetic as this team is playing, knowing that they are intentionally losing just to get a good pick, would be the last straw. At this point I don’t expect them to win the game, but if they showed some effort and played their butts off, I’d be alot happier.

By timthebrave

March 7, 2008 3:29 PM | Link to this

I went to wed game and saw that pathetic mess. It was unwatchable. It looked like carolina was on a 60 min power play. Maybe that is what some people want so that we can get a good draft pick but that p** me off bad! I’d rather see them play good and win or if they don’t win at least play entertaining hockey.

By Manley

March 7, 2008 3:45 PM | Link to this

I can see the reasoning behind tanking, but tonight’s game is supposed to be televised over here, so they better not do it tonight! This is the first game I will get to see all season since the three other times Armed Forces Network showed the Thrashers either I was busy or it didn’t actually come on but was substituted by another game.

If any game of the season was going to be entertaining, this one is for the folks overseas and they better get it right! Pass that on to DW at the Town Hall so the guys can kick it into gear.

I must admit, though, that for the past few night games I have not bothered to get up at 3a.m. to listen to them (I did listen to the afternoon games last week). Just couldn’t justify going short on sleep for that kind of performance. But I would very much LIKE for it to be worth it for the remaining few. If they show me something tonight I will make the effort.

LET’S GO THRASHERS!!!

By Left to Right

March 7, 2008 3:52 PM | Link to this

Perhaps fans will have an opportunity to hear about Waddell’s next 5 year plan. Anything other than an anouncement of Waddell’s resignation is just going to be spin. There is no reason to go to this sham. Performance speaks louder than words, and the performance of the Thrashers throughout Waddell’s almost TEN YEAR career has been the very definition of mediocre.

By J(Z)

March 7, 2008 3:52 PM | Link to this

Tanking is something that no TEAM should ever be permitted to do. Any player who is purposely tanking needs to permanently banned from the sport.

However, as fans of the team, as the founder of Operation Believe in Tankland, and for the good of the future of this organ-I-zation…I hope we lose any many games as possible to get the best draft pick possible.

With THAT said. I go to almost all the games and I do NOT root for the team to do poorly. I also just don’t got it in me. I’m just not as disappointed in losses now.

This team is now 6 points ahead of the Kings for the worst record in the NHL. For the good of our future…our motto should be Go Kings, Go Nings!

By ToF

March 7, 2008 4:01 PM | Link to this

Rawhide I’m part of the tank-it camp, but that doesn’t mean I WANT us to lose. Honestly, I think its neccessary for the improvement of our team that we get good draft picks (which is made much easier by good draft position).

We are not singing Brian Campbell or Wade Redden (or anyone of their quality) this summer. I’m sorry, but there are 29 other teams out there,the majority of which are far more tempting to sign with. I hate saying this but, Bobby Holik is the biggest UFA we have managed to draw here (and it took a grossly inflated salary).

What on earth makes anybody on this blog think that Top Tier free agents will be willing to come here? What incentive do they have? Does complacent ownership draw FAs? How about a team with no coach? How about a team that has proven time and time again that nobody gives a flying !@#$ the entire way up the management chain. Ladies and gentlem, look at the reasons Hossa cited for walking. Why would another top tier UFA sign here after watching that situation?

By Rawhide

March 7, 2008 4:36 PM | Link to this

Manley - Hey dude!! How’s it going? I hope the boys play up for ya tonight!

Left to Right - Obviously he is feeling some heat. But this is better than taking a bunker-style mentality. I’m sure we’ll have much to discuss about it later when we hear from the attendees.

ToF - OK, I think what you said about the inability to bring in high-caliber talent, especially on defense, is spot on.

But then, isn’t that the most damning evidence against the current front office?

By Bob

March 7, 2008 4:45 PM | Link to this

Let me give you the cliff notes from the Waddell spin, save you the rush down there tonight:

1. We’re going to make our first priority a coach.

2. We’re going to sign a #1 center.

3. We’re going to sign 2 defensemen

4. We’re announcing the following super special season ticket holder benefits such as in game seat upgrades to move down low, assorted giveaways, 2-1 Manilow tix!

5. We have some up and coming promising youngsters, you just wait!

6. If you all buy that I can accomplish that, I have some nice oceanfront property in Montana to sell you

By R. Stroz

March 7, 2008 4:51 PM | Link to this

Bob - Sounds like the same cliff notes I picked up the othr day.

Well, except for the Montana property.

By squawksmcgrew

March 7, 2008 4:51 PM | Link to this

What makes anyone think that having a high draft pick is a plus with Waddell’s recent run?

By Brendan

March 7, 2008 5:00 PM | Link to this

While I don’t the Thrashers to lose, every point we amass is hurting our “weighted percentage chance” of winning a high pick in the lottery draft.

Since we’re talking about bringing in top talent, at this point, the best way to do that is to draft it. Free Agents won’t come to Atlanta until such time as Atlanta is a “Cup contender.” Atlanta will have to rely on its farm system and players like Little, Sterling, Valabik, Oystrick, Grant Lewis, Colin Stuart, and Ondrej Pavelec, to make the leap up to the pros, and contribute once they get here. No one should expect any “miracles” here. Tanking again next year will allow the franchise to get a shot at Taveres.

Chew on this folks, imagine Tavares and Stampkos playing with Kovy and Kozlov? We’d be a lot better. And the future would actually look fairly bright. Even if it’s Doughty (a blueliner) and Tavares, that’s still acquiring good, young Canadian talent for the future. But, we’ll need “luck” along the way. We could wind up drafting 5th. And Lord knows who we’d get there.

By BuzzEng

March 7, 2008 5:34 PM | Link to this

I’m with you, Rawhide. I just can’t cheer for the Thrashers to lose. I can cheer for others to lose, and I can be complacent when they lose (now), but cheering for them to intentionally lose just so they can get a good draft pick isn’t ethical. Besides, if the Kings and Nings are tanking , too, to get a top draft pick, we’ll lose that effort , too. How bad would it be to lose at losing?!?

By puckjunque

March 7, 2008 5:49 PM | Link to this

Amens please…..

Bow your heads, hands joined on the keyboards

Oh Heavenly Father, thank you for listening to our prayers and for the blessings you have bestowed upon the Thrashers. Please use your loving grace to guide this team in a positive direction; strengthening their leadership, defensive skills and teamwork. Please empower the Thrashers to fight for a win in regulation tonight, be agressive, defend our net and kick the Wild’s a$$! AMEN!!!

By Johan H.

March 7, 2008 5:58 PM | Link to this

Hello Mr. Tiller,

I have to make this quick while the coaches are upstairs! I will lead my teammates to victory tonight. No funny bounces, no non-whistles. Just a straight up Thrashers victory. Just you watch and see Mr. Tiller!

By HookyBob

March 7, 2008 6:14 PM | Link to this

Manley: I hope the Thrashers put your blog on their dressing room bulletin board tonight.

I have tickets to tonight’s game and am passing. What does that say?

However, we have renewed our season tickets. Poor NHL hockey is better than no NHL hockey. I think this is why we see so many “opponent” or “some other team” jerseys at games. They come to see the stars, not necessarily the home team.

I like the Wild,…but I’d give anything for the home team to beat them.

Go Blue,..give us a reason to believe (e.g. renew).

By Rawhide

March 7, 2008 6:26 PM | Link to this

A-FREAKIN’-MEN!!! Excellent petition to the Great Thundermaker In The Sky!!!

Now, Let’s go WHIP the WILD!!

squawksmcgrew - Gteetings!

BuzzEng - Lose at losing?? Un-good!

TNT - Well said.

HookyBobb - Sad commentary indeed.

Johan H. - I hope you’re right!

By kracker

March 7, 2008 6:40 PM | Link to this

Tonight: Win one for Manley and for all the Manleys listen or watching on the Armed Forces Network!

I, as a Tank-it proponent, don’t want us to lose them all. I don’t think the Thrash can ‘catch’ the Bolts or Kings in going for low, I just want to maintain the current position of 28th entering the draft lottery.

What, O Hockey Sages, can be done about the following debacle of a situation?

Thrashers need a real farm club

Until the organization gets a real developmental relationship formed with an AHL club, the Thrashers will forever be at a serious disadvantage in developing our prospects. Furthermore, why would any top GM or coach ever agree to hire into such a losing situation?

By Vitamin Z

March 7, 2008 7:47 PM | Link to this

Watch Atlanta vs. Minnesota game Live Now, on Yahoo. Great for people without Center Ice! :)

By Brendan

March 7, 2008 7:52 PM | Link to this

A-men, PJ.

Ya know, folks. Sommmmmewhere out there … there is an assistant GM who is very close friends with a Coach. And together, they’re calling each other. “So, what do you make of this situation in Atlanta? Do you really think Waddell will get fired, and we can swoop in, as GM and Head Coach?”

Well, all I can do is hope there is.

By Vitamin Z

March 7, 2008 8:16 PM | Link to this

8:4 shots…0:1 score…not that bad.

By PJ

March 7, 2008 8:23 PM | Link to this

Vitamin Z

Re: Yahoo live feed. FYI, I’m north of the perimeter and I get a lovey women’s voice telling me that it’s not available in my area. Are you south?

So, What happened in the meeting? Anybody? Somebody? Beuller?

By Thrasher Ryan

March 7, 2008 8:33 PM | Link to this

A late amen PJ!

It’s 1-0 Minnehaha after 1. Brian Rolston with a rocket blast from the point on a 5 on 3.

Outshot again in the 1st!

Quite a few Wild fans in attendance tonight. A lot actually.

Holik has 2 BIG hits in the 1st. Would like to see some more from the rest of the team. Would like to see my Thrashers finally beat these guys!

PJ—All I know so far is that Waddell guaranteed STH’s he would not be Head Coach next year. I heard Kamal say that on the radio.

GO BLUE!!!

By Vitamin Z

March 7, 2008 8:34 PM | Link to this

PJ - if this happens, you would have to go through Proxy to hide your actual location.

By David

March 7, 2008 8:42 PM | Link to this

Will the Atlanta Thrashers be for sale soon?‏

By Vitamin Z

March 7, 2008 8:43 PM | Link to this

Wow! 5-on-2 and we can’t score! That’s something else.

By Alan

March 7, 2008 9:12 PM | Link to this

Will the Atlanta Thrashers be for sale soon?‏

Nope. Not until the lawsuit is decided, at the very least.

By Thrasher Ryan

March 7, 2008 9:18 PM | Link to this

It’s still 1-0 Minnehaha after 2!

Outshot 27-13! That sucks!

I like the Kozlov—Holik—Thorburn line, but I wanna try: Boulton—Holik—Thorburn.

For this to take place, I would send Larsen to Chicago, and call up either Haydar or Desbiens to play RW on Kovy’s line, with Little at Center.

Recchi would move to the 4th line with Slater and Kozlov.

Kovalchuk—Little—Haydar/Desbiens

Perrin—Christensen—Armstrong

Boulton—Holik—Thorburn

Kozlov—Slater—Recchi

I remember how well Slater worked with another veteran, Scott Mellanby. I think Slater would work well with Recchi.

GO BLUE!!!

By David

March 7, 2008 9:18 PM | Link to this

why is there a lawsuit?

I did not know about the lawsuit

I guess it would be for sale after the season.

By Archie

March 7, 2008 9:19 PM | Link to this

Kracker, that’s the best point I’ve ever seen on this forum! I heard about that situation with the Chicago Wolves a while back and the importance of it cannot be stated enough. I don’t entirely blame the Thrashers for it, but they certainly have an equal share of the blame. I blame the Blackhawks and the Wirtz family ownership as much as anyone for losing control of the Chicago hockey market, the Wolves are simply trying to carve out their market share. The Thrashers, as far as I’ve heard, have been searching for a new AHL affiliate for quite some time, but they aren’t available on demand, circumstances have to play out just right to get a new AHL affiliate. That’s a huge reason why so few draft prospects make it through to the big league club. Unless they’re a draft pick that skips the AHL entirely (like Kovy, Heatley, Exelby or Enstrom), or only plays there during the lockout like Lehtonen, then the Wolves are a dead end for quality draft picks. So what looks like shoddy drafting by Waddell (which it may or may not be, we’ll never know), may actually be an indifferent farm team. When I first heard about this situation, I thought it was the single biggest problem in the entire Thrashers organization, I’m glad it’s finally been brought to the forefront.

By Rawhide

March 7, 2008 9:22 PM | Link to this

STH MEETING NEWS FLASH

This is raw data coming in via phone text form my source…so it may be rough & need clarifying later…

According to my contact in the STH Townhall Meeting the following was discussed:

1. DW said he will NOT be coach next season…well…DUH

2. Don said “He knows there’s a problem on defense”….again…DUH

3. BL said he never “refused Don anything”. Whatever that means

4. BL said there will be a “quality product on ice” next year I presume

5. DW said only quality players on D at deadline would have only been a rental & did not wish to mortgage future again….I can understand that…but doesn’t that also sound like he admits he can’t resign a qualiy UFA?

6. DW said that leadership was something that was missing this year… I’m going to wear out my DUH button

7. BL indicated that the choice was made to keep DW behind bench due to fact they felt no quality coach was out there and they did not want to bring up Anderson at this time.

8. BL was asked what his biggest regret was…he said not telling DW “no” when asked to stay behind the bench…..DUH button now broken

9. BL indicates that new coach would probably come from AHL read between those lines

If you were there and read this…please confirm or correct.

By Thrasher Ryan

March 7, 2008 9:35 PM | Link to this

Thanks RH.

By Alan

March 7, 2008 9:40 PM | Link to this

If Don is still a GM next season, I will be shocked. If what Levenson is saying about Don’s requests is The Truth™, then this means Don was never “handcuffed by the owners” and it seems the buck stops at Waddell, not at the owners.

However, Levenson’s decision to keep Waddell behind the bench instead of bringing Anderson up to coach was a very bad idea. It’s as if Levenson actually thought AHL-Chicago was there to help develop our players. It’s not. It’s there to develop their players. Our players don’t play often unless they’re good and productive in their system.

Maybe Levenson has learned his lesson, regarding the coaching change. I’m willing to give the ASG more time, but I think for Waddell, an eleventh hour attempt to talk his way out of this debacle is too little, way too late.

By Thrasher Ryan

March 7, 2008 9:41 PM | Link to this

Wow. Just wow.

No comment until confirmation on this!

Come on THRASHERS! I know you know how to score a damn goal or 2!

PJ—I’m north of the Perimeter and can hear it fine on 680. The Center Ice delay is not that bad again tonight.

GO BLUE!!!

By Brendan

March 7, 2008 9:41 PM | Link to this

Rawhide, thanks for that update. So, I take it Waddell didn’t resign and BL didn’t announce his firing either. And really, that’s what the STHs went there to find out.

Halfway throught the 3rd period, Minnesota 1, Atlanta 0. One Minnesota announced, “Thrashers hangin’ tough in this one.” The other Minnesota announcer countered, “Hanging tough? More like ‘hanging around.’ They’ve been outhit, outhustled, outshot, and outchanced. The Wild have let them hang around by not cashing in on chances. And, as a result, the Thrashers are one shot away from tying this game.”

By PJ

March 7, 2008 9:42 PM | Link to this

Tampa Bay lost in OT to NJ to gain a point. Now at 60.

LET’S GO THRASHERS, JUST SCORE A GOAL!!!

By Rawhide

March 7, 2008 9:45 PM | Link to this

TR - Wise move…my mole will e-mail me transcripts of notes taken during THM after the game and I will update at that time.

By Thrasher Ryan

March 7, 2008 9:52 PM | Link to this

5:16 left in the 3rd! Colby Armstrong just scored! It’s 1-1!

HELL YEAH BABY! You gotta win this game boys!

GO BLUE!!!

By David

March 7, 2008 9:55 PM | Link to this

TO Alan

Could you please keep me updated?

davidmullally2007-08@hotmail.com ‏ Nope. Not until the lawsuit is decided, at the very least.

By PJ

March 7, 2008 9:57 PM | Link to this

Rawhide

Thanks for the update!

TR Yahoo offers live feed in certain areas (visual), I have audio - computer or car(XM). But thanks for the tip. 680 seems to overlap and get staticky in my area once you get beyond a mile off the Fwy.

By Brendan

March 7, 2008 9:58 PM | Link to this

Rawhide, I want to ask you, and ALL MY FELLOW BLOGGERS, what do you guys think about this as the “new” measuring stick for the future? I’d say … we’re pretty much in the same boat as Tampa Bay. That is, a team that’s been or is being dismantled. I think the losses of Prospal and Brad Richards qualifies in that regard for the Bolts. Both teams are headed towards the lottery draft this year. So, can we say it’s “fair” to compare ourselves vs. Tampa Bay as a the “litmus” test for the next three years? And let’s see which franchise wins by 2011.

Oddly enough, we’ve seen this before. In 2001, the Tampa Bay Lightning finished DEAD LAST in the league, with Atlanta just above them. The “hockey gods” tossed us a bone in the lottery draft, as Atlanta won the 1st overall selection, and took Ilya Kovalchuk.

Since then (2001), what happened? Well, in Atlanta’s case, it experienced a steady flow of INCREMENTAL PROGRESS, that ultimately resulted in one playoff berth and no playoff wins. In the case of Tampa Bay, it resulted in playoff berths in 2003, 2004, 2006, and 2007. In 2003, the Bolts advanced to the second round, but lost to eventual Cup winners, the New Jersey Devils. In 2006 and 2007, Tampa Bay lost in the opening round. And, of course, in 2004, the Lightning won the Stanley Cup.

It’s pretty clear which franchise won the last time both were in the same boat. How do you like our chances to beat them this time around?

2-1 Wild, Minnesota PPG, with just over 2:00 left in regulation. Colby Armstrong got the Thrashers goal.

By Thrasher Ryan

March 7, 2008 10:02 PM | Link to this

2-2! :44 left! Kovalchuk just scored!

GO BLUE!!!

By PJ

March 7, 2008 10:03 PM | Link to this

Come on Thrashers, score one more!!

By Thrasher Ryan

March 7, 2008 10:07 PM | Link to this

Going to OT!

It’s OK to give out a bonus point tonight to a Western Conference team. But you must earn 2 POINTS! For the sake of the franchise! You must beat Minnehaha for the 1st time!!!

GO BLUE!!!

By Brendan

March 7, 2008 10:11 PM | Link to this

Thanks to Kovalchuk, we’re headed to a shootout. Manley thanks #17 from the bottom of his heart.

By Thrasher Ryan

March 7, 2008 10:15 PM | Link to this

Going to the SO! Gotta use Bryan Little!

GO BLUE!!!

By PJ

March 7, 2008 10:16 PM | Link to this

To those with visual - Is Kovy still having trouble with his knee? Is he still wearing a brace?

By Rawhide

March 7, 2008 10:20 PM | Link to this

THRASHERS WIN…LOSING STREAK OVER!!

All is right with the world!!!!

By Brendan

March 7, 2008 10:21 PM | Link to this

Erik Christensen, the shootout specialist acquired in the Hossa trade at the deadline, won it for the Thrashers. He was Atlanta’s second shooter. Kozlov had a nice move, but his shot hit the outside of the post. Kovalchuk’s shot missed the net entirely. Moose Hedberg stopped all three Minnesota shooters.

By Thrasher Ryan

March 7, 2008 10:24 PM | Link to this

They did it! They beat the Wild! 3-2 in the shootout! Erik Christensen with the Game Winner!

HELL YEAH!

I suggest everyone listen to the postgame radio show if you want info. I’m sure some STHers will call in.

Pretty sure you can get it at www.680thefan.com too.

By Brendan

March 7, 2008 10:25 PM | Link to this

PJ, Kovalchuk looked fine to me. But, he can’t be 100-percent. And probably won’t be until next season starts. But uhh, I’m not a doctor, obviously.

By TNT

March 7, 2008 10:38 PM | Link to this

To all who say Moose should go and Lehts should stay, just look at tonight. Moose faces 39 shots, only gives up 2 goals, has enough gas to win a SO, and shows enough fire to get a 10 minute misconduct. That shows me alot. But as if that’s not enough, think about this. Pavalic will come up next year. Who do you want mentoring this young stud? A proven vet who can help him and seems to have no problem being a solid backup? Or a young headcase with little self confidence that would not want share time on the ice, and might even try to sabotage any chance to make Pavalic the starter? Add that to the fact that we could maybe get something for Lehts, and would get nothing for Moose. I’d just as soon have Moose back next year. That is if he would even want to stay. Just my opinion.

By Alan

March 7, 2008 10:43 PM | Link to this

David - I’d very much love to keep you updated; however, I’m not an “insider” on the whole lawsuit thing. I’m just an observer.

You’ll know when the case is settled. The ASG owns both the Thrash and the Hawks, so you know any court decision will be on the front page of the sports page…

… Because of the Hawks, of course. Gah, I was so disturbed to flip through the sports page today in search of NHL news, only to find anything NHL on the back damn page. Even Gymnastics news made it before hockey. Whoever made that decision needs to be smacked.

By BG33Brown

March 7, 2008 10:47 PM | Link to this

rawhide town meeting update.

A few things i found of interest.

First, DW thinks we need two top 4 defensemen. Not that i disagree but that certainly points toward offseason stuff.

2nd. The extra player in the hossa deal was going to be Dupuis or Perrin. They talked to Dupuis the week before the deadline and apparently Dupuis has “dulisions of grandur” (my words for thinks he is a top 6 player) that is why he moved.

3rd. Levenson thinks are tickets are cheap. Overall, that maybe. But he obviously hasn’t look at lower bowl vs elsewhere in the league.

4th. we were in the market for campbell up until that move went down, but we “weren’t willing to match the steep price.”

To me the most frustrating thing was the length of then answers. They wanted to stall as long as possible for each question. The STH stuff was what I expected. But I apprecaited the tough questions.

Finally a win. Go Thrash.

By BG33Brown

March 7, 2008 10:52 PM | Link to this

Also that last penalty on Kiwi was the worst call I have seen all season.

By Brendan

March 7, 2008 10:54 PM | Link to this

TNT, wouldn’t having all three, maybe, be the best situation? With one goalie sitting up in the pressbox each night?

I like Hedberg, too. I argued with Ranallo that he had decent “rental” value. Bygones. I can’t and won’t begrudge Hedberg his right to do what’s best for him. He’ll probably get a 2-3 year contract to be the backup for another team.

But as for Lehtonen, TNT, imagine the media reaction to yet another of Atlanta’s “highly prized lottery draft picks” flying the coop? Think about it. Stefan, Heatley, then Lehtonen?? In addition Coburn, an 8th overall pick, also leaving the organization. And then, there’s the potential of replicating this year we had with Hossa, in 2009-10, with Kovalchuk’s pending unrestricted free agency. And if Kovalchuk leaves, that would be the LAST of the “building blocks” that were to have sustained us through our infancy and into Stanley Cup contendership. It would look “horrible.” Plus, we still don’t know what Lehtonen could become. Really, truly. We don’t. Give him a decent blueline, and his numbers will get better.

By Smoothie

March 7, 2008 11:08 PM | Link to this

I have nothing but man-love for Johan Christian Hedberg. If you ask me, he should be our next head coach and back-up goaltender. He’ll know when Kari needs a rest and insert himself when the team is ready for a “jolt”…a shot in the arm if you will. Obviously, I like to engage in hyperbole, but whoso would be a man would be a Moose admirer…he is the consummate professional and about as clutch as a 5’10” “midget” can be in the NHL these days. And to think the NHL wants goalie equipment to be even smaller!! Moose could stop 35 shots in his underwears…what incredible reflexes! MOOOOOOOOOOOSE!!!!!!!!

By Eileen

March 7, 2008 11:39 PM | Link to this

Smoothie, I second the love for Moose. I hate to think of him gone after this year. Kovy (1st star) thanked the fans and said “we really need you”. Personally that meant a lot to me since I was on the fence about going to the game tonight. The sellout enthusiastic crowd was an unexpected surprise.

By Rawhide

March 7, 2008 11:41 PM | Link to this

BG33Brown - Thanks!!! I would like to think that Campbell is still in their scopes this summer. If DW is really committed to getting quality blueliners this summer, he’s a good one to start with.

Also, interesting comment regarding Dupuis.

David - Keep pokin’ your head in here and Craig’s blog. The people will let ya know when there is news regarding that situation.

TNT - That would be a ballsy move…I guess it would echo Brendan’s remarks regarding the reaction.

By Smoothie

March 7, 2008 11:44 PM | Link to this

Eileen — too bad Kovy is one of the few who has a passion for making this team better. If Moose is the coach, then Kovy damn well better be the captain…lead by example and the rest will follow.

BTW, if Levenson was that much of an arrogant jerk, then we are in much more trouble than I thought. Perhaps DWad is at his wit’s end and will resign his post thus freeing himself from the clusterf&*k albatross around his neck!

By R. Stroz

March 7, 2008 11:57 PM | Link to this

Who else thought Levenson came across as a jerk?

By TNT

March 8, 2008 12:07 AM | Link to this

Keeping three would be good, but I can’t see Lehts enjoying it. He seems to pout when he doesn’t get the start, like he thinks the Coach has no confidence in him. And as good as Pav is, who wants to see him sit alot? The games I saw him in earlier when Kari was hurt, he needs to be a starter somewhere. I don’t really have anything against Kari. I know as bad as the D was this year, alot of goals weren’t his fault. He just doesn’t seem to keep it together when things go bad, which they did alot this year. Maybe another year of maturity will help, and some D help will come in the off season.

By Nix

March 8, 2008 1:17 AM | Link to this

PJ, during the town hall meeting, Waddell mentioned that the doctors originally said Kovy’s injury would take ~4 weeks to heal, but that he was back on the ice after 2 games off b/c (and I’m paraphrasing here) that’s just the kind of stud that Kovy is. I don’t think he’s 100% yet, for what it’s worth. But I couldn’t tell if he was still wearing a brace.

RStroz, yes, Levenson seemed like a jerk. Him basically telling that couple who went to the Bruins game that they were either too stupid to be able to read the ticket price or they were liars was not impressive. Note to those not there, he didn’t say they were stupid or liars, that was just the implication.

Tankland proponents, tonight’s game exemplifies why I can’t join your ranks. I go to hockey games because I love that rush we get with 2 minutes on the clock and a chance to win or squeeze into overtime. I love seeing them fight and hustle for the puck. That excitement, that sense of community with an arena full of people who all have the same goal as you, that euphoria when the puck goes in… it can’t be beat.

And, on top of that, there is a part of me that can’t stomach the thought of a bunch of guys that get paid more per game than I do per 6 months should get the chance to coast (even more than the sometimes do).

But mostly, it’s about the stadium high :-)

By Downtown ATL

March 8, 2008 1:25 AM | Link to this

A weekend game with 6,000 people in the stands begging to learn hockey and become Thrashers fans. I saw them tonight, I talked to them tonight, I high fived them tonight. If my full season ticket dollar is being used to subsidize the newbies; so be it. And by the way… Minnesota Wild fans are classy, classy, classy.

By j nes

March 8, 2008 1:27 AM | Link to this

Rawhide to clarify:”BL said he never “refused Don anything”. Whatever that means

I went to the meeting tonight and asked the first question from the audience. I was originally going to ask Wadell why he chose to tell the fans/media at the beginning of the season that the 6 million in free cap space would give the team the “flexibility” to make improvements to the team before or at the trade deadline—and why after saying this he spent none of the available money to help a struggling team. I figured he would give some BS answer about how there were no players available that were a good fit for the club. Fortunately, I was pleasantly surprised when that weasel Levinson showed up and I was able to alter the question and address it to both of them. It was something like this:

“At the beggining of the year the team was 6 million under the cap and we were told that money would be used to improve the club before or after the trade deadline. Was it an ownership decison or a GM decision not to use this available cap space to improve the team?” I wanted to paint them into a corner in hopes of getting a straight answer. I honestly don’t think they knew how to answer this question, nor were they prepared for it. BL looked to DW, and DW looked to BL. After dancing around the question for about five minutes, the closest thing to an answer was BL saying that the owners never denied DW any requests. This looked like it might have been a touchy subject between the two of them. After all, DW couldn’t exactly sell out his boss and say it was the ASG’s fault he could not spend the money needed to help the club. And Levinson said they never denied him requests, but maybe DW was told he couldn’t spend money so why would he make requests to do so?

It is a lot of speculation on my part, but by not answering the question that has been burning me up for days, that is all I can do. Sorry for the long post.

By Brendan

March 8, 2008 1:34 AM | Link to this

Lehtonen doesn’t have the “luxury” of enjoying it. He’s just got to do it. If it he elevates his game, he’ll get the vast majority of the starts. And if KL even wants to be a $7 million-a-year type goaltender, he’s got to make his move soon. He was drafted in 2002!

I doubt an RFA offer sheet would be much more than HALF that figure, if there were one offered. At this point, I can’t envision what’s holding up Kari’s contract negotiation? I mean, price goes only one way from here: Up! I know DWad’s policy is to not negotiate during the season. But, clearly, he did that for Hossa. For a supposedly “cash-strapped” organ-I-zation, I can’t understand why they would even consider letting another team jack up the price on Lehtonen, or subject him to an RFA offer sheet, when he can probably be re-signed rather cheaply right now.

By the way, Moose Hedberg has more wins than Kari this year. I repeat, this is an optimum to go re-sign Kari. What about re-signing Moose? Well, if you were Moose, why wouldn’t you want to test the waters? You’re probably going to be about to cite a 15-win season. There will be a lot of teams calling his agent this Summer. And who knows, Moose might want OUTTA here, anyway.

By j nes

March 8, 2008 1:40 AM | Link to this

and by the way, DW alluded to the idea of Valabik being called up THIS SEASON. I don’t think people will be impressed with him(aside from his size), but I do hope he proves me wrong.

By Alan

March 8, 2008 1:53 AM | Link to this

j nes - I don’t know what else you’d propose. It’s not like we have an abundance of large D-men who would be better suited to camp out in front of our own net, knock people off the puck and/or block shots. It would also give the fans in Atlanta a good look at Valabik against NHL’ers at the height of the homestretch. So many people here only know what they’ve heard. Valabik has come a very long way over the past year. If he’s not on the team next season, he’ll definitely make the 09-10 squad… barring any unforeseen issues, of course. But that goes for anyone.

By Brendan

March 8, 2008 1:59 AM | Link to this

j nes, thank you. That was an awesome question and a wonderfully-shared post. Good job! I suspect you nailed when you said, And Levenson said they never denied him requests, but maybe DW was told he couldn’t spend money, so why would he make requests to do so? Bingo.

Ya know, a child can ask his parents if he or she can have a can of frosting for dinner. But, it’s pretty clear the answer will be “no.” And that the request will be met with scorn and hostility. So the question isn’t asked.

Just once, I wish Don Waddell would say, “I wonder if Lou Lamoriello ever has these kinds of discussions with the Devils organization?” I wonder what possibly drives Don Waddell to WANT to remain the GM of this team? Everyone you can think of … blames HIM for everything. And well, yes. He is responsible for a good bit of it. Even Waddell’s dog looks at him with that, “Can’t believe you signed Byron Dafoe and Steve Shields” look on his face. And yet, he won’t resign. He won’t stand up and say, “I’ve had enough! I’m mad as H#LL. And I’m not going to take this anymore!!” Nope. He plugs along, merrily. Perhaps thinking that things are really “okay,” and only needing a “tweak” here and there. That’s really troubling, if true. For the ASG completely and utterly RELIES on his judgement for all roster matters.

This is the blind leading the naked to the fashion show … where the Emperor will be modeling his “new clothes.”

By ToF

March 8, 2008 2:05 AM | Link to this

Ladies and Gentlemen, I think you are missing something very important in the tank it camp: we ARE fans and are still stoked when we win.

David here is a pretty good link about the lawsuit The gist of it was that the Hawks made a trade for Joe Johnson that owner Steve Belkin objected too. He was then kicked out of the group and he took it to court. A Maryland judge ruled that Belkin had the right to buy out his partners and they are currently challenging the ruling. The current impasse is going on a year and a half I think.

By Sharon

March 8, 2008 2:07 AM | Link to this

Kracker and Archie - I was stunned when I read the specifics of how our farm system operates. I had no idea that our developmental program was so damn weak. The article clears up some questions I had, but I actually feel worse for the knowledge.

On a postive note, thanks for tonight, Moose!

By R. Stroz

March 8, 2008 2:16 AM | Link to this

j nes - Thanks you throwing a hard fastball on the first pitch. It sounds like BL and DW were taken off guard.

A few concerns have already surfaced from my perspective:

1) we were in the market for campbell up until that move went down, but we “weren’t willing to match the steep price.”

Could this also be foreshadowing going into free agency this summer? I’m afraid I can hear it now, “We didn’t sign any big name defenseman because the price was too steep. We did however pick up a couple of defenseman with great potential.”

2) Who is going to be Kovy’s center next year? Instead of looking for a top tier center for Kovy, DW is looking for a winger. So, is White going to remain as Kovy’s center or does Little get a longer look at that slot?

3) Since the Thrashers already have 5 defensemen under contract for next season, Valabik may be brought up, and DW stated that the organization was targeting two more defensemen, which defensemen under contract are going to get dumped(Zhitnik sounds like a good name)? What happens to Popovic?

By R. Stroz

March 8, 2008 2:28 AM | Link to this

BTW, I’ll continue to sit on my wallet until Thrashers management talk turns into action.

By Alan

March 8, 2008 2:35 AM | Link to this

ToF, David - Here’s a better link

Not as in-depth as an actual report, but it’s more current with the timeline.

By ranallo10

March 8, 2008 3:19 AM | Link to this

Stroz — “The price was too steep” meant he wasn’t willing to make ANOTHER Zhitnik move. Buffalo wanted Pavelec AND a first round pick, he didn’t feel it was worth it for a player who obviously wants to test Free Agency. Honestly, I’m glad he didn’t make that trade…a deadline acquisition really wouldn’t have helped the team.

BG33Brown — I was at the game, and moaned about Kwiatkowski hooking the guy at the blueline. Everyone around me didn’t understand why i was moaning, and when the replay was shown they skipped the penalty and showed the second before he knocked the player down. If you were at the game I can understand why you would think it was a bad call, but from where I was sitting (204, behind the goal) it was a pretty obvious hook in my opinion. But that’s what I saw live, it could’ve been way off on TV with the benefit of instant replay.

Nothing compares to the no-call last game. That was ridiculous.

By ranallo10

March 8, 2008 3:35 AM | Link to this

Here’s a solid Town Hall meeting recap (courtesy of The Smirkin Chicken)

It’s a long read, but a good wrap-up.

By BG33Brown

March 8, 2008 7:53 AM | Link to this

Ranallo my seats are in 206, a little to your left and i didn’t see it. But I also don’t think I saw Kiwi at our blueline on the dump in.

Question, did he actually challange someone at the blueline or was he in retreat? B/C it he stepped up-well S**t-that is the first time all season.

By LAC

March 8, 2008 8:21 AM | Link to this

Thanks ranallo for the link, VERY interesting…

From the side bites, it seems Waddell may have his hands tied by these IDIOTS !!!!!!

I still DO NOT like Waddell’s moves, but seems from the report, he see’s the sitution for what it is, and when the boss says go buy a new company car, you think Hot Damn… But then he says don’t spend over $10K… YUCK !

These owners are just a group of little misfits than could not run a street corner lemonade stand, Just a DAMN shame someone did not go up and bust levenson’s potty mouth, it sure would be worth a couple yars in the klink, just to see him get his due, levenson YOU SUCK PUNK !!!!!!!!

By Eileen

March 8, 2008 8:24 AM | Link to this

For what it is worth, a day after. Downtown Atl mentioned the MN fans. Amen to that. What great people. 175 of them boarded a bus on their annual Wild Road trip. Good, salt of the earth people.

By Sara

March 8, 2008 9:00 AM | Link to this

Brendan I think it comes dwn to the fact that Don loves this team. It’s his baby in every sense of the word. He was here at it’s conception, brought it into the world, helped it grow up and watched it grow up. I doubt he wants to leave it. In all seriousness, no matter how much anyone might think Waddell blows as a GM and how much of this is his fault, there can be no question that he is committed to this team. That doesn’t guarantee correct decision-making 100% of the time, but it counts for a lot too. He wants this team to be successful.

And on a complete side note, I just looked out the window and saw snowflurries - cool!

Anyway…this team is at a MAJOR crossroads this summer. Regardless of what does or does not happen with the GM position, they have to hire a new coach, attempt to upgrade our d x2 (by their own admission) which isn’t going to be easy because I’m not sure who would want to come play here. There’s the draft to consider as well and I think a lot will hinge on how our first pick falls. Obviously, if we somehow miraculously secured the top overall pick, our search for a number one center is over. If not…there are some seriously good defensemen. If we luck out with another Enstrom, we may only need to pick up one big UFA on D. Who knows.

I guess in a few months, we all will.

By R. Stroz

March 8, 2008 9:35 AM | Link to this

ranallo10 - I understand this:

The price was too steep” meant he wasn’t willing to make ANOTHER Zhitnik move. Buffalo wanted Pavelec AND a first round pick, he didn’t feel it was worth it for a player who obviously wants to test Free Agency.

My concern is that we hear this same line in the summer as an excuse for not procuring any top tier defensemen in the free agent market.

That’s why I’m waiting until after July 1 to decide whether to renew my ticket package. In other words, I don’t trust the owners/GM to follow thru with their statements until the rubber meets the road..

By David

March 8, 2008 9:39 AM | Link to this

David here is a pretty good link about the lawsuit The gist of it was that the Hawks made a trade for Joe Johnson that owner Steve Belkin objected too. He was then kicked out of the group and he took it to court. A Maryland judge ruled that Belkin had the right to buy out his partners and they are currently challenging the ruling. The current impasse is going on a year and a half I think.

does that mean that the Thrashers going to be for sale or not? and also it does that mean that the basketball team going to be for sale?

By ToF

March 8, 2008 10:31 AM | Link to this

David It means neither. The owners have the right to sell after the lawsuit is settled. If ASG wins, they will need everyone to sell their shares (I’m pretty sure) in order to meet league approval. On the other hand, I find it hard to believe Belkin (if he wins) would turn around and sell something he spent two years acquiring.
It would be sweet if they sold to a single local guy/family.

By David

March 8, 2008 11:13 AM | Link to this

I am very interested in buying the hockey team.

By David

March 8, 2008 11:18 AM | Link to this

I have a source on a hockey team’s website and she told me that it’s in the rumor process.

About the hockey team being for sale soon.

By Rawhide

March 8, 2008 12:38 PM | Link to this

j nes - Thanks for the input…and great question to open things up with.

Ranallo - Great link. From what has been posted here and what is in that write up, it sure sounds like Levenson came off un-good…and, to that point, Don came off a lot better. It at least sounds as if he was concerned with the situation and sensitive to the STH ire.

Kracker & Archie - Great post and comments regarding Chicago…do me a favor and stick that in your files. Let’s discuss this more in depth just after the season as to give it 100% attention and discussion.

DowntownATL - A weekend game with 6,000 people in the stands begging to learn hockey and become Thrashers fans. I saw them tonight, I talked to them tonight, I high fived them tonight. If my full season ticket dollar is being used to subsidize the newbies; so be it. - Well, if this was the goal in regards to the discount ticket pricing, then one would have to consider it a success…and thanks for posting your comments about classy Minnesota fans, (Eileen as well)…I’m sure those same classy fans are saying much the same of the Blueland population.

By Barry

March 8, 2008 12:41 PM | Link to this

No the Thrashers won’t make the playoffs this year but I don’t want them to tank either. I want them to pull together as a team and do all they can to win every game. They need to at least work on overcoming all this adversity this year and go out on a very positive note and have something to build on for next year you know?

By Nikita

March 8, 2008 12:49 PM | Link to this

They talked to Dupuis the week before the deadline and apparently Dupuis has “dulisions of grandur” (my words for thinks he is a top 6 player) that is why he moved.

Yeah. No joke. His interviews just prior to that made it pretty clear that he thought he was worth more than he is. And what exactly is the worth of a fast-skating, chance-making, non-scoring, 2nd-line-but-thinks-he’s 1st winger? Arguably less than a fast-skating, 2nd-line-and-glad-to-be-in-the-big-leagues, team-playing, scoring-as-much-as-the-other-guy winger. At least for Atlanta. My husband and I argued nonstop about Dupuis until he got traded, because it was my position that Dupuis needed one-on-one work to work on his hands of stone and my husband’s contention that that isn’t the role of team practices. But I can’t say I’m sorry to see him go, especially if it was Perrin vs. Dupuis. Perrin has been very consistent this season. He plays to his abilities (which are 2nd line, center or wing), sets up his teammates for success, and hustles. Every single game.

Can someone tell me what happened with the final game misconduct? Unfortunately I only saw highlights.

Also, I keep hearing that the team has given up, but I don’t see that when I actually watch the team. The Carolina game was a pretty low point — both of the goalies looked spiritually spent, and some members of the team were playing with less dedication than I would have liked to have seen. But…I don’t think that’s at all true overall.

By Rawhide

March 8, 2008 1:05 PM | Link to this

Nikita - on Minnesota’s goal in the third, Moose felt he was interfered with by a Wild player in the blue paint. He was obviously screened but replay showed the player just had a good position.

Moose blasted the official…and thus got a 10 minute misconduct.

To Moose’s credit, after the OT period, he sought the official out and made nice with him. I think he just lost his cool after playing so darn well, but it seemed as though that goal was going to be the one to beat us.

By Nikita

March 8, 2008 1:27 PM | Link to this

Thanks for the fill-in, Rawhide. Why is Slater listed on some of the recaps as having the misconduct? Did he serve it for Hedberg?

By Rawhide

March 8, 2008 1:35 PM | Link to this

Yes, I believe that is the case.

By raindawg722

March 8, 2008 2:05 PM | Link to this

Nikita, Slater served the penalty because he hadn’t been in the box for almost two and half periods and he was experiencing withdrawal symptoms.

I kid. He was serving it for Hedberg. I love Slater’s hustle but the man can draw a penalty.

By jen

March 8, 2008 2:28 PM | Link to this

Sorry, but if what was said was true, renting Brian Campbell for 2 months when the playoffs were NEVER a guarantee would not in a million years have been worth Pavs and a 1st in THIS draft (or next years for that matter). No issues on not pulling the trigger there. I also believe there was some validity to what DW said about Dmen just not being available this year. Maybe we could have gotten a Bryce Salvador type, but to what extent would that have helped long term? And do you really want to give up on a Sterling or similar prospect (which is what it would have cost) when we’ve all seen how the Coburn thing played out.

Having seen all the write ups on Chicago, I am more convinced this is the root of the issue. I can recall getting really excited that they were doing so well thinking that it would lead to more success for the Thrashers, but clearly, the independant agenda is not what we need at this point. While I am not opposed to JA taking over as head coach, we need a better flow of communication between those who develop the prospects and those who need the prospects to fill holes on the big club. It grieves me to see players like DiPenta, Foster, Coburn, etc. playing key roles on other clubs because they had staff to identify talents and plug them into a system that made the most out of them, as opposed to just calling them up and expecing results when obviously one hand is not shaking the other in this case.

By David

March 8, 2008 4:12 PM | Link to this

I am guaranteeing that the NHL team will be for sale soon..

By Sage of Bluesland

March 8, 2008 4:33 PM | Link to this

I found the comment about Donny and his future “book” to be hilarious…

Umm, Don, nobody buys a book written by a complete LOSER…I don’t care how “committed” he has been to the franchise which has made him a wealthy man, a LOSER is a LOSER every time…

Hmmm, now that the LOSER is blustering about writing a book (which will likely prove false as with many of his other empty promises), I’m going to send him some suggestions for book titles…Submitted for your approval:

“How I turned an entire city against a major sport…”

“How to stretch a ‘Five-Year Plan’