Ice Man

By Roswell Thrasherfan

February 29, 2008 9:00 AM | Link to this

considering we play all the teams in our division multiple times it might be more manageable than you think. as well they will be beating each other up. question is can we even beat them at this point.

By Russian

February 29, 2008 9:06 AM | Link to this

13 Games must win. Possible? Impossible? Who knows? It has to be done. At this time no more talking that we play two games back to back. Who cares, Ladies? Just Push, B***! Bring it ON. Or you are going to Hear BOOOOOO every Home game. I am not happy with Kiwi and Stuart. They did not impress me much. Little looked good last game, but 3-d line is not plase to him. He is attack forward. Well, Fly to Boston and bring 2 points, Ladies. THis is yor job and this what we pay for you. Shake it! :-)

By FormerIslesFan

February 29, 2008 9:14 AM | Link to this

Some general thoughts on what I saw at the game last night…

The Thrashers have a good degree of success when their defensemen jump into the rush (e.g. goals by Klee and Zhit). However, the forwards also have to be defensively responsible in their own zone. Vasicek and Hunter’s (OT) goal were both the result of blown assignments by the forward that should have been covering the high slot when the defensemen vacated the middle to go into the corner to get/play the puck.

The Thrashers do better when they play a physical game. When they start to take the body, whether it is finishing their checks or tying up people after they’ve made their play, the Thrashers then can use their speed to force turnovers. That, and it really gets the crowd into it, which in turn seems to help motivate the players.

Speaking of turnovers, they HAVE to stop. I think I saw the official stat was 15 last night?!?!

I agree with your “latter” option above, RH and it is time to use the rest of the season to begin the youth movement.

By Pucksdeep

February 29, 2008 9:20 AM | Link to this

You tell ‘em Russian!

Nice post Rawhide. Ranks #2 for the season, IMO :)

Is it just me, or does Colby (Army, Arm Pit, whatever) look like a string bean in that new blue uni? He looked 7 feet tall!

Let’s go Blue!!

By Bob

February 29, 2008 9:28 AM | Link to this

Armstrong did look a big lanky. I like him though, he’ll be a decent third line guy for us. His skating is really funky though, one of the Pens fans told us he skates like an eel, and I thought WTF does that mean, but I noticed it last night, he kind of glides like a eel, must be cause he’s lanky like that.

Good comeback in the 2nd, but as usual with this club it’s the Jekyll-Hyde act from period to period and our woeful D caught up with us once again.

By drop the shoe

February 29, 2008 9:29 AM | Link to this

Unfortunately both forks in the road lead to the same brick wall. I’ll give five dollars to anyone that can keep possession of the puck anywhere on the ice. Can anyone tell my why Kari and Moose always have to play an outstanding game for us to have a change to win? I would like to watch a game with the defense keeping the puck out of or zone and the offense keeping the puck in their zone. Is that too much to ask for in the “New NHL”?

By Maal

February 29, 2008 9:34 AM | Link to this

It’s true, I am full of awesome! :-D Could Kari have been any more dejected in that post-game? If this keeps up, I will not be surprised to see him entertaining offers from other teams. At this rate, it’s going to take a friggin’ fortune to re-sign him. :(

By five_hole

February 29, 2008 10:15 AM | Link to this

I assumed that we were auditioning players for next year, which is why Kiwi and Little are in the lineup.

Pucksdeep, I thought that Armstrong was wearing a Holik jersey. That boy needs some southern cooking to put some meat on his bones.

I would like to point out to everyone that we are committed for $25.8 mil in salary for next year. Kari is an RFA and does not count in that, but apparently Pavelic does. We have 10 forwards and 5 d-men under contract. So, I’m thinking we have around $15 mil for free agents.

By J(Z)

February 29, 2008 10:31 AM | Link to this

Definitely stick a fork in em! Even if they miraculously do make the playoffs…they’re not going anywhere. This is the perfect opportunity to possibly add another top 3 pick through the draft. Operation Believe in Tankland was underway last night. I can’t say I was rooting for us to lose, but I wasn’t disappointed when we fell behind 3-0. It was exciting to see us come back and tie it at 3, and I was cheering. So I guess it’s kind of a half a*******ed anti-rooting effort. Turth be told, i was hoping for the fairy tail ending of having Crusher get the game winner in the shootout in his debut. But it was not to be.

But we’re still in line for the #3 best shot at Stamkos!!!

By Old School Al

February 29, 2008 10:34 AM | Link to this

The Thrash should be overjoyed to get one point out of that game. Take it; move on and…oh yeah…FIRE WADDELL!

By Thrasher Ryan

February 29, 2008 10:42 AM | Link to this

Brendan—Now is the perfect time to re-sign Letemin, while his stock is low…….

By ToF

February 29, 2008 10:54 AM | Link to this

When Christansen stepped onto the ice I had a slight moment of horror. I thought he was Patty Stefan and screamed. I can’t believe we scored 2 goals from the blue-line tonight. That brings our season count to a whopping…11, ouch.I hope we keep auditioning Wolves for next season. Can’t wait to see if Lavalee and Valbik get a chance up here before the end of the season.

By ToF

February 29, 2008 11:04 AM | Link to this

If you wanna see something kinda freaky, compare Patrik Stefan to Erik Christensen to Colin Stuart

By Smoothie

February 29, 2008 11:14 AM | Link to this

If DWad insists on playing Alexi Zhitnik, then please, please, please convert him into a forward. He can’t be any worse than Eric Boulton or Thorburn. I was actually impressed with his desire for contact last night and it was good seeing him jump into the play more often. However, I’d rather bench Exelby, move AZ to forward over Charmin, play Mac & Kiwi on the 3rd pair while Klee and Pops play 2nd pair.

Kovy — Crusher — Zhitnik (yes AZ!)

Perrin — White — Armstrong

Kozzie — Holik — Little (I really liked the way this line played last night…I think Little is good for Kozzie…even Slava wanted to fight)

Boulton — Slater — Recchi (still let him play first line PP mins)

Weird, I know, but what the hell? Defense can’t get any worse and Zhitnik’s talent, what little there is left, is being wasted.

By Southside Rob

February 29, 2008 11:54 AM | Link to this

Overall, are our defensemen smaller than other teams in the league?

By Brendan

February 29, 2008 11:56 AM | Link to this

Hossa to miss about a week with MCL injury

By Thrasher Ryan

February 29, 2008 12:01 PM | Link to this

Rawhide—I also suggest that you was the “lucky” sweater immediately! Hey, it can’t hurt and maybe you’ll even make Mrs. Rawhide happy!

By Thrasher Ryan

February 29, 2008 12:04 PM | Link to this

Rawhide—I also suggest that you WASH that “lucky” sweater of yours immediately! Hey, it can’t hurt and I think it will even make Mrs. Rawhide happy! :)

I already washed mine last night after that fiasco.

By Thrasher Ryan

February 29, 2008 12:07 PM | Link to this

Trixie—Please delete my 12:01 post. Too many grammatical errors! Thanks!

By Nikita

February 29, 2008 12:19 PM | Link to this

Southside, yes, they are.

Zhit really p** me off. So does X. Zhit is completely capable of being an amazing, beautiful, masterful player. But he isn’t, because his attitude sucks. Usually he isn’t where he should be, he’s sauntering about, and he’s drawing stupid penalties that get our opponents points. Exelby’s attitude is great, but he’s not very smart, he’s hit-hungry, and he usually wanders off to leave the opponents to waltz right up to the goal.

I don’t feel that way about anyone else on D. The others occasionally make stupid mistakes, but they really don’t display the consistent low standards of those two. And for that reason I’d like to see both scratched/sent down/reconditioned/whatever/not anywhere near the ice at crunch time.

What’s up with the 4th-line hatred? Boults/Slater/Thorburn are really putting forth a lot of energy lately, and keeping their simmering rage (well, Boulton’s) in check.

In general, I think the team’s main problem is coaching and coordination — they still don’t know each other, they create opportunities for goals on the change and interceptions, and too often they have too little energy. Last night wasn’t a terrible effort, but it was sloppy and uncoordinated, and I hope it hints at a new philosophy to come that will be coupled with smarter play.

By Alan

February 29, 2008 12:32 PM | Link to this

Boulton — Slater — Recchi (still let him play first line PP mins)

And moving Recchi to the fourth line is supposed to help? I get what you’re trying to say, but if I want to make Zhitnik a forward, HE goes on the fourth line. Recchi has earned his position on the top line.

By Alan

February 29, 2008 12:45 PM | Link to this

Nikita - I’m not sure I like any of our defenders. Except, of course, Enström and Havelid. Those two get on real well together, though Havelid has been making a few sloppy mistakes lately.

The rest of our defensive corps needs to be waived, bought out, something, anything. They are not defensively minded. Hell, they’re not anything minded… and it shows. Oh, dear Gods does it show. If our offense is shut down the opposition is guaranteed a huge win over us, with our D corps the way it is.

By Nikita

February 29, 2008 12:55 PM | Link to this

Good point, Alan…and anything I say should have “assuming we get a D upgrade” attached to it. Havelid and Enstrom are pretty darned good — the rest of the D is pretty weak. So when I call out X and Zhit, I’m just calling out the most egregious of a slew of poor players.

By Vitamin Z

February 29, 2008 1:02 PM | Link to this

I gotta tell ya! Both Enstrom and Havelid didn’t look very impressive yesterday. It was like they played together for the first time.

By Trixie (Rawhide's secretary)

February 29, 2008 1:06 PM | Link to this

Thrasher Ryan - If I approved your request of deleting the 12:01 post due to typos…then your 12:07 post would become irrelevant.

Thus, and unless, I delete both…doing so to only one would cause confusion with the readers from this point forward.

If I deleted both, then this post would then do the same.

Besides, if I were to delete every post simply due to grammatical errors, there might be 3 comments per blog… maybe even NO blog whatsoever.

Request denied.

By Thrasher Ryan

February 29, 2008 1:29 PM | Link to this

Trixie—Well that sucks! Oh well.

At least MAKE Rawhide wash that damn sweater! Thanks!

By Alan

February 29, 2008 1:30 PM | Link to this

I understand completely, Nikita. I guess when I see X and Zhitty Zhitnik being called out, I feel there’s room to call everyone else out as well.

Havelid, on the other hand, is currently 5th in the NHL in blocked shots, with 149 of those (according to NHL.com’s player bio on Havelid). Can you imagine how good this team would be if everyone played like that?

People blame Lehtonen and Moose for some of the goals. Those people say Lehtonen and Moose let in soft goals, and criticize the goaltending (As an aside, I wonder exactly how those people define “soft goals” since I hear them whining about it all the damn time). These people forget that goalies are the last line of defense … or in Atlanta’s case, the only line of defense, when it comes to our D corps.

So when you all fire away on the defensemen, feel free to fire away on all of them who stink. It’ll make you feel good to do it, and me feel good to read it. And hopefully, Waddell is aware of how bad our defensive corps is and will DO WHAT IT TAKES in the offseason to get us what we need. If he’s still employed at the end of this season, mind you.

By Trixie (Rawhide's secretary)

February 29, 2008 1:34 PM | Link to this

ThrasherRyan - Your request has been noted and logged. Mr. Rawhide is aware of your concerns and appreciates you input.

I may forward the request straight to Mrs. Rawhide as she has certain…pull… in regards to these matters.

By Howard

February 29, 2008 1:40 PM | Link to this

While I would agree our D is pretty inconsistent, D is a team game and our forwards need to work harder. When the D steps up to challenge folks in the corners, the a forward needs to clear the lane.

When we get in trouble in our end and no one challenges, then the other team cycles for a long period of time causing us to either stand around and watch or aimless chase.

We need are D and others to pressure the puck and not sit back in fear that our forwards are standing at the red line waiting for an outlet pass.

By Smoothie

February 29, 2008 1:44 PM | Link to this

Alan — I don’t disagree with you. In fact, in my initial brainstorm, I simply forgot about Recchi (don’t know how) and then just stuck him on the 4th line so he’d be fresh to play lots of PP mins. I do think his age makes him less effective as a 1st liner since he can’t sustain the type of energy he wants to exert for 20+ mins.

But he would certainly be a better checking line player with some scoring potential rather than putting Charmin down there. I’m fine with trading Charmin for a 2nd pair defencement and moving Perrin back to center Rex and Army. What a fierce line that would be!

By Brendan

February 29, 2008 2:27 PM | Link to this

ThrasherRyan, that’s what I’ve been saying all along. Lock up Lehtonen. It should have been done just after the All-Star game, at the end of January. Guys like Phaneuf and Lundqvist were getting contracts at that time, too. Price only goes one direction from here!! Can you guess which way???

See, this is why RAWHIDE was right and I was wrrr … I was wrrrr … I was LESS CORRECT than usual. I admit it. Don Waddell should have hired a coach. I didn’t think so. But had he done that, he could have locked up Kari, and maybe had more time to move Recchi, Holik, and Hedberg at the trade deadline. Instead, we were left holding the bag on some “rentable” players.

I stand behind my REASONING for retaining Waddell for Coach. I just didn’t think the team would be downloading porn at work while boss stood looking on, over their shoulders. I was wrrrrr. Well, I was WRONG. They did. Right under his nose. And Waddell did nothing about it. He didn’t ship the offending parties out of town, whether that be down to the minors, placed on waivers, or traded for a 7th round pick … or the dredded “future considerations.” He didn’t even “call them out” in the media. I was stunned by just how much of a “player’s coach” he became. Bygones.

By Thrasher Ryan

February 29, 2008 2:42 PM | Link to this

Brendan—Agreed. Lock up Letemin NOW. Don’t let the RFA sheets appear. I would even try to lock up Recchi for 1 year, $1 million plus incentives.

As for Waddell, like I said before - If this team makes the playoffs, he gets a free pass. Otherwise he should be fired at the end of the season.

Waddell said this team can make the playoffs. Well, prove it.

By Johan H.

February 29, 2008 2:53 PM | Link to this

Bill Tiller, Do not worry. I am starting in goal tomorrow. I will lead my teammates to victory.

By Season ticket Sonny

February 29, 2008 3:03 PM | Link to this

FIRE WADDELL!!!!!

By Season ticket Sonny

February 29, 2008 3:04 PM | Link to this

FIRE WADDELL!!!!!

By Ward

February 29, 2008 3:17 PM | Link to this

Love hockey, like the potential for a nice game each night, but generally have to settle for , what is more and more, mediocrity. Goals given up, team defense, and upcoming back-to-backers looks like about 78 points in the weakest division going. I will still come because on any night it is interesting-and I am a fan of hockey.We DO need a NEW, dynamic coach!!!

By Rawhide

February 29, 2008 3:18 PM | Link to this

Branden - Your 2:27 post was your best post ever!

Howard - Welcome…and very good point. This is a team game and I believe you and FormerIsleFans have discussed correctly the importance of forwards helping out defensivly to help cover.

It’s funny you use the words “aimless chase” in regards to our inability to clear the puck. She-who-must-be-feared-and-obeyed said just that during the game on opening night…opening night!

Drop the shoe - Welcome to you as well, yes indeed it seems as goalies have to have to have a great game in order for us to have a chance. This team has two good ones in the net but when they face 35-40 shots a night that’s the fault of the 5 in front of him.

Ward - Welcome…you’ll find a lot of people around here with a similar disposition.

Trixie - The wife just called and it seems as though the jersey will be washed tonght. Thanks…thanks a pant-load!

By Brendan

February 29, 2008 3:35 PM | Link to this

I do what I can, Rawhide. :)

By Rawhide

February 29, 2008 4:44 PM | Link to this

PROGRAMMING NOTE

Depending on what the deal is with the internet service at the Rawhide Home Office, it is entirely possible that there will not be a new blog posted over the weekend.

You all may be left on your own, so don’t make a mess of the place!

In that light, I will at this time give a pre-emptive “A-FREAKIN’-MEN” to PJ’s prayers for both the game in Boston as well as Pittsburgh!

GO THRASHERS!!! BEAT the CHOWDER outa the Bruins and POUND the Penguins!!!

By J(Z)

February 29, 2008 6:22 PM | Link to this

Anyone catch the rant on sportscenter of Michigan’s basketball coach? P** about his team not getting offensive rebounds. Why doesn’t Waddell ever have this kind of outburst about us giving up 40 shots every single game?????

By Brendan

February 29, 2008 6:42 PM | Link to this

Probably because Don Waddell doesn’t have to worry about accountability, J(Z). I wouldn’t doubt that he’s just received a 3-year contract. Sounds like a “whole new 3-year plan” is about to be unleashed. It’s 1999, all over again. Which would be ‘fine,’ except that we have the same GM as the ‘the architect.’

By Sage of Bluesland

February 29, 2008 8:24 PM | Link to this

Great, another “Plan” from our bumbling GM…Did a bang-up job with his initial “Five-Year Plan” which stretched eight/nine years later, with nary a playoff victory to show for it…

One playoff series—and it was a woeful debacle at that! Yeah, THAT was worth the wait!

One thing on a positive note: I’m glad that Hossa is gone. Never really liked him—I thought we got “Hosed” by the Sens (yet again—a repeating occurrence with our bumbling GM)…Still think we did…Tried to like him, but I don’t think he wanted to be here from day one—it was obvious, right?

Brendan, IF Don Waddell has a THREE YEAR CONTRACT in hand, this franchise is truly doomed to be mere schedule-fodder for the real teams…Money well-spent by the lambs, eh?

By Jim

February 29, 2008 9:35 PM | Link to this

Some of the posters have to be smoking or snorting something. We ain’t goin nowhere except toward the basement. Fortunately for us, the Bolts have been dismantled or we’d be there. Caps with their speed, size, and now Huet will win the SE. Without a massive overhaul of the D (only Enstrom worth anything) and some solid FA signings- size, scoring and grit, we are destined to be bottom dwellers. REPLACE DW.

By Badda-BING

March 1, 2008 8:19 AM | Link to this

So, isn’t it just a tad ironic that the Penguins will lose Hossa for just about the same time we lost Kovalchuk after Ruutu deliberately kneed him on the boards???

Karma, baby….it’s a bi#ch, ain’t it?

By Brendan

March 1, 2008 11:55 AM | Link to this

Sage, the cause for “optimism” is that … The ASG has NOT announced ANY contract extension for Waddell. The “bad news” is … they feel that coaches and manager’s contracts are, quite frankly, none of our business. HA!

Seriously. That’s THEIR stance. Okay. I call the attention of this blog to the Dallas Stars, who fired GM Doug Armstrong in mid-season. So? So, the Stars were faltering. Look at them now? Go ahead, peek at the standings. Back yet?

There’s more. Stay with me. Not only did the Stars fire GM Armstrong, they fired with three years left on his contract. That man gets paid through 2011.

So???????

So, it’s not “too late,” fellas. If you have, INDEED, offered Waddell a 3-year deal. EAT IT. What represents the “greater damage?” (1) Paying Waddell to do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING for the next three years or (2) Allowing him to do perhaps irreparable harm for the next DECADE in the next three years?

If you have to “think” longer than 5 seconds, then PT Barnum is right. There really is a “sucker” born every minute.

By Rawhide

March 1, 2008 12:34 PM | Link to this

Brendan - Great point regarding the GM situation in Dallas.

I think you can add to your point what went down in Washinton last Thanksgiving when they made a coaching change.

In both cases, like with the Thrashers when they released Hartley, they made a calculation that a change needed to be made.

The difference with the Caps and Stars is it seems as though those organ-I-zations had some sort of a plan as to what to do AFTER the change.

This was not the case here…unless you figure keeping DW behind the bench to work things out was the “plan”.

By J(Z)

March 1, 2008 1:23 PM | Link to this

I can not FU^%&(ING Believe Sports South just went to a commercial right when Kovy was getting a penalty shot. UnF^&ing Believable!!!!!!!!!!!

By J(Z)

March 1, 2008 1:28 PM | Link to this

haha all my random bleepings made some of that italics :)

By off the post

March 1, 2008 1:28 PM | Link to this

WTF! I looked away from the tv and next thing I know the penalty shot already took place. I couldn’t believe I missed it until I realized they never showed it. And the stupid announcer said they went to a break because it wasn’t a “clear point to center ice”. Is that moron stupid, the ref couldn’t be pointing more clearly unless he had a pair of those orange lighted sticks that they use on the runways at airports. What a horrible network. A Kovy goal no less.

By J(Z)

March 1, 2008 1:33 PM | Link to this

I think he was saying that he wasn’t sure if the ref was pointing at the net if it was a goal. he clearly pointed to center ice for a penalty shot. They even said a penalty shot was coming, then proceeded to a commercial. Came back, not even an apology. I’ve been searching for an email address or phone number but I can’t find ANYTHING for SportSouth. They don’t even have a website????

By puckjunque

March 1, 2008 1:40 PM | Link to this

Allright who scheduled a game at 1:00 and forgot to clear that with me?? Well here it is, better late than never. So, let’s see if my “Holik scored a goal while I was purchasing it” jersey brings us any luck today. AMENS Please!!

Bow your heads, Hands joined on the keyboards

Oh Heavenly Father, Thank you for listening to our prayers and for blessing this team. Please motivate this team today to dominate the ice, show some defensive grit, teamwork, and Shoot the Puck. Please lead the Thrashers to push their skills to the limit and kick the bruins a$$! AMEN!!

Go Thrashers

By Rawhide

March 1, 2008 1:48 PM | Link to this

A-FREAKIN’-MEN!!! Better late than never….well, done as always!!!

Off The Post & J(Z) - Yeah, I could not believe that…OK, so they messed up an went away so that a paid commercial could be run…OK…but when they came back after the goof, (which is probably the directors fault in the truck)…they tried to cover with a lame excuse like, “I couldn’t tell if he was pointing out a penalty shot or not..”.

The ref pointed twice to it!!

Come on guys, to error is human…just say “sorry, we F—-ed up…we won’t do it again”!

By Brendan

March 1, 2008 2:33 PM | Link to this

LOL. Ahhh, SportsSouth. Let’s make a “clean sweep” and fire everybody. To be honest, I like J.P. Dellacamera and Darren Eliot, but if I’d heard either or both moved on to bigger and better things, I’d wish them both the very best.

Goal!!! Jimmy Slater!! Yes,#2 3!! Let’s see … goals by Klee, Zhitnik and Slater … in successive games … that’s it. The Apocalypse is here. Quick, get Bart Simpson out of the house before God arrives!!! ATL 2, BOS 1. There’s about a minute left in the 2nd period.

PJ, A-men!! Hey, how are your “crushes” coming along? Nikita won’t share her crushes with us.

By off the post

March 1, 2008 2:34 PM | Link to this

J(Z), that is stupid of them because the puck was not in the net by a mile. And if it did just go in the net why cut to a commercial when you can (must) show replays? Although it wouldn’t surprise me with this broadcasting team because in a game earlier this year Elliot said the ref pointed to the goal that the puck was in the net before he waved it off. Anyone who played hockey knows a ref would never do that if he was going to wave it off. Ok, Slater just scored, if Holik doesn’t get an assist for that hit he deserves one. Yes, I said Slater.

By Nix

March 1, 2008 2:40 PM | Link to this

Amen, PJ!

By J(Z)

March 1, 2008 3:55 PM | Link to this

Just rewatched, both Eliot & Delecama (sp?) saw and said that there was a penalty shot coming up.

Then after a lovely UPS commercial JP said it wasn’t a clear point to center ice. But they both said before the quick commercial that there was a penalty shot coming up! All I ask is an apology that someone screwed that up! That’s just embarassing!

By Brendan

March 1, 2008 4:40 PM | Link to this

Okay Russ, I can still see the shoreline … but what’s the tally now? We must win 14 of the next 16 games to get in? The Flyers beat the Islanders 4-1, today, to be alone in 8th place. Isles have 69-points amd Flyers 73. Isles are in 10th spot, I think, with Buffalo in 9th. Boston has 76-points, in 6th spot, I believe.

**Time to play “True or False.” Ready? Put your “thinking caps” on. This is a test and it will be GRADED.

“True or False,” the Atlanta Thrashers knew they’d have to turn it up “big time” after the All-Star break? Answer: True.

“True or False,” the Thrashers knew that if they didn’t head into the trade deadline with 3 wins, that many of them could be sent “packing” in a “firesale?” Answer: True.

“True or False,” the Thrashers have now lost six (6) straight games? Answer: True.

“True or False,” Don Waddell already knew the season was “lost” at the deadline, when, at the most critical juncture, the team was outshot 49-10 in a game vs. their most likely competitor for the 8th and final spot, the NY Islanders, and then proceeded to put forth a “lifeless” effort vs. Carolina and then bottom-feeder Toronto? Answer: True.

“True or False,” If Don Waddell didn’t know the season was “lost” at that point, isn’t that reason #298 to fire him? Answer: TRUE.

“True or False,” the GM left “rentable” players, such as Holik, Recchi, Hedberg, and even Steve McCarthy, on the table? Answer: True.

“True or False,” Don Waddell could re-sign Holik, Recchi, Hedberg, and McCarthy in the offseason, even if he had “rented” them out? Answer: True.

Sorry … it’s no fun to play “True or False” when someone gives you the answers. Mea culpa.

By Stats

March 1, 2008 5:22 PM | Link to this

Stendec????? Hello?????

He is awfully quiet. Seems Moose did not fair any better than Kari. I thought Hedberg played well, but using Stendec logic, the 2 regulation goals were definately “marshmallow soft”

I am waiting to hear how today’s game was Kari’s fault. Maybe he is over on Craig’s blog….

By Tom

March 1, 2008 5:39 PM | Link to this

Brendan

Is your analysis dead on? TRUE

Will the Spirit Ownership See the writing on the wall? False

Will the fans start to back away from the team if there is no big change in management during the offseason? TRUE

Will season ticket renewals take a hit? TRUE

Will it be to late to quickly turn around the franchise if more small middling players resign with the team? TRUE

By Alan

March 1, 2008 6:33 PM | Link to this

Stats - I’ve been waiting all day for the stendec meltdown, myself. I’m sure this is Kari’s fault somehow, though. Maybe Moose was using Kari’s stick, or since Kari was there, some of his mojo rubbed off on Moose?

I don’t pay much mind to his rants anymore. It’s hard to take anyone who rants and raves like that seriously.

By Brendan

March 1, 2008 6:49 PM | Link to this

Tom, the www.firedonwaddell.com site must be getting MASSIVE HITS right about now. It might be time to sign up some sponsors for it.

By Brendan

March 1, 2008 6:57 PM | Link to this

Sorry, this is the correct site. My apologies, Tom.

By PJ

March 1, 2008 7:39 PM | Link to this

Brendan, I got all the answers correct, do I win a prize?

Okay, I’ll give you a freebie to tease me about. Columbus #61 - Come on, tell me he’s not worthy of a man-crush.

The firewadell site is nicely done. Are you the administrator?

Regarding todays game - Armstrong took a big hit today and did anyone retaliate? He’s supposed to be a glue guy and this is how we welcome him? Hmmm….Maybe I missed it.

Also, Is it me or has Brian Little been impressive these past two games?

By Alan

March 1, 2008 8:13 PM | Link to this

I won’t address the Firewaddell site until it becomes more than just a blog that isn’t maintained.

As for Little, PJ, I’ve been impressed with his play. He’s more suited to be the #1 center, in my opinion. He just needed the extra ice time he wasn’t getting at the beginning of the year.

By Brendan

March 1, 2008 10:02 PM | Link to this

I agree with Alan, Bryan Little deserves more ice time. I’m still not sure why he was sent back to Chicago in the first place? The reason I heard advanced was that … “he didn’t have enough time riding buses and getting a feel for what it’s like in the minors … to fully appreciate being up in the bigs.” Okay. Moving right along.

PJ, “Professor Rawhide” may make you his “official” teacher’s pet, for getting all the answers right. Though, I’d “counter-claim” that you had the answer guide. It’s not EXACTLY cheating, but I’d give you “full credit.” Professor RAWHIDE may be less tolerant than I. And yes, Rick Nash is a fine place, as for having an affinity for a player who isn’t a Thrasher. And just think, PJ, had Waddell told Panthers GM, Rick Dudley, back in 2002, “You make this deal with Columbus and you can KISS BOUWMEESTER GOODBYE … ‘cuz we’re takin’ im with our 2nd overall pick.” Guess what that course of action would have done? As a star pupil, PJ, I expect you’d answer correctly, “It would have sent Dudley back over to Columbus GM MacLean’s table to tell him the ‘deal’ to swap picks, 1st for 3rd, was off the table. And that if MacLean still wanted Rick Nash, he’d have to approach Waddell about ‘inducement’ not to take him, since Columbus picked 3rd and Atlanta picked 2nd, which would have permitted Atlanta to select Rick Nash with that pick, instead of goaltender Kari Lehtonen.” That’s a tremendous response, PJ, as it is the “correct one.”

PJ, I have “absolutely nothing” to do with the FIRE WADDELL site. I am only aware of it because Tom told me that he created it. Now, that’s one passionate and committed fan! Unfortunately, I believe the ASG has “other plans” than those advocated by the website for the next three years of Mr. Waddell’s life.

By Roswell Thrasherfan

March 1, 2008 10:30 PM | Link to this

too bad for Tom he doesn’t own the team

By Tom

March 1, 2008 11:41 PM | Link to this

Yep, but brother odds me owning the Thrashers would be a blast for all until I ended up broke.

Because as a true and passionate fan I would do everything in my power to put out a winner for the fans without concern for the payroll.

Owners with passion win in this day and age. I have seen our owners seem to calculate how profitable every move is, not whether it will result in the team being successful…

If you disagree with me, look at Todd White. Here is their star Hossa saying I need a top quality center, and they give him Todd White. These guys scream just good enough.

If Waddell came to me with Todd White as the person who would lead me to the promise land, I would b*** slap his a* out the door telling him that I have X amount left to the salary cap and if that is the best he can do then his resignation better be on my desk in the morning.

If Mike Ilitch heard his GM say that Todd White would be the difference maker in the playoffs this year what would you think he would do? My guess, the GM would be reassigned as a dough kneeder at Little Ceasars real quickly.

Yet the ASG think Waddell s%%t does not stink??? Well kids, we all know from Brendans 289 reasons why it is time to firewaddell.com .

We also know that being a winner takes passion from the main office. Or else, passion from the GM position. As the last indictment of Waddell’s lack of passion, could you imagine Lou Lamoriello being told that the best he could do is get Todd White, or Ken Klee, or Steve Rucchin? He would have a s$$t fit right there in the owners suite threatening them with his resignation and that he would tell the world what a bunch of pansy a$$ losers they are.

Either the owners need big brass balls or the GM needs big brass balls. But the mutual admiration society we have in upper management leads to mediocrity and fan apathy.

Waddell to ASG. Guys you are the best. ASG to Waddell… No you are Don.

Fans to both… YOU S$CK!!!

http://www.firewaddell.com

By Tom

March 1, 2008 11:48 PM | Link to this

Ahh, This is why I love the message board. After a completely stressed out day with my youngest son in the hospital with pneumonia and sitting in a dark hospital room I can let out a rant like that.

I do love my Thrashers and appreciate all of you out there that care as much.

By stendec

March 2, 2008 12:57 AM | Link to this

No, Letemin not guilty this time, Moose gave game away. Sitting on A++ when tying goal landed in net behind him. Totally unacceptable! Believe team knew another loss was forthcoming when that puck fluttered in. Sure played like it. More to point. No Thrasher possesses ANY NHL caliber talent. Not a DAMN one of them. Ship them all to Chicago in even exchange for kids. At least fans will see some heart, fire and hustle in final regular season games. Not from these quitters! What about (fill in blank)?. Who cares? Trade ‘em! Cut ‘em! Whatever! They quit on fans. Past time fans quit on them! That includes Letemin AND Ilya “I Wanna Be With Marian” Kolvachuk! Good night (morning). GO FLAMES!

By Rawhide

March 2, 2008 8:29 AM | Link to this

Tom - How is the boy doing??? How old is he?

Regardless, feel free to rant anytime…love the passion.

Stendec - I, too, was wondering where you were…glad you;re back. When Moose…who played well overall…let that first goal slid through his pads, my first thought was, “Well, that was a very ‘Stendecian’ goal he just allowed” :o)

PJ - Hey, how’s my little “teachers pet” this morning?

Brendan - Regardless of what you feel about DW or the ASG…do you really believe that Don will be employed by the organ-I-zation at the time the sun sets on Monday April 7, 2008?

The logical side of “Rawhide” thinks not.

But then again, look at the flap that has been created by our brethren Hawks regarding their GM’s attempts to fire the coach being blocked by the ASG.

Methinks the ASG doesn’t much embrace change.

By Alan

March 2, 2008 8:39 AM | Link to this

AND Ilya “I Wanna Be With Marian” Kolvachuk!

gameday in and gameday out, you give me more and more reason to believe you’re absolutely nuts …in the un-good sort of way. Kovalchuk becomes more defensively responsible and scores goals, yet you want to trade him along with the entire team.

Just face it. You’ll never be happy, no matter what happens.

By Thrashernut

March 2, 2008 10:04 AM | Link to this

I’ve seen no comments re the shoot-out player order. Does anybody else question why DW continues to include Kovy within the first 3 shooters? Without looking at the stats, my hunch is that he has a relatively low shoot-out goal %? Also, I would have rather seen Perrin instead of Christensen - I think he’s still nervous about his presence on the team, and can’t handle shoot-out pressure (yet).

By Brendan

March 2, 2008 10:58 AM | Link to this

Thrashernut, I have the feeling Waddell is going to keep switching up the S/O order. Eric Perrin’s move, at this point, is “Well-scouted.” He’s got to “mix it up” like Slava does, or every goalie in the league will know what he’s doing. Christensen probably should be in the “top 3” of our shooters. I have no problem with Kovalchuk shooting 3rd. Kovy does have “several looks” he uses. He’s got a backhand “five hole” move. He’s got the “toe-drag and curl” move … and he can just wind up and SLAP IT! What goalie wants to face that? So, between Perrin, Kovy, Slava, Christensen, and Recchi … I kinda, sorta think he we a decent “shootout squad.” And now that Bryan Little is here, he should shoot some, too.

By Tom

March 2, 2008 11:00 AM | Link to this

Rawhide

My 7 year old is doing better. The folks at Scottish Rite have been awesome. Sometimes I think he is doing better than I am. :)

By Brendan

March 2, 2008 11:18 AM | Link to this

Tom, I hope your son is out of the woods now. Also, we’re all Thrasher fans, those of us who take the time and committment to be here, posting and blogging. There’s nothing in the slightest bit wrong with managing a “firewaddell” site. It just means that you, and fans like you, want to make a positive change that begins with removing the GM, for the team that you love.

I don’t blame fans for this position at all. And I have tolerance for those who think Don just needs more money or more time. They are, afterall, Thrasher fans. I do wonder, sometimes, what DRIVES them to believe that Don Waddell is the “Achitect of Champions?” I wonder what leads them to believe that we’ve got “one of the best GM’s” in the league. When there is, quite honestly, a wealth of evidence to suggest the contrary. Some fans will support a “current” GM, no matter what. That kind of loyalty is certainly admirable and has its place. Can I say that those fans are not “True Blue?” No. No, I can’t. I just can’t see how they’re going to be happy with the results they get from Waddell in the future. On the “positive” side, Waddell has shown “on-the-job” improvement. He’s learned things like … don’t max out your cap on Opening Night so that you have flexibility at the trade deadline. He’s learned … how to find “bargain barrel” free agents to fill out a roster, to compensate for ineffective drafting. He’s started to a draft a little bit better, as the years have gone by. He’s not a horrendous “NHL player for NHL player” trader. So, he does get some things right. But he’s absolutely got to answer for the team’s age being 2nd oldest in the league, when it was an expansion team back in 1999, and has had eight picks in the top 12 overall in that span.

By Brendan

March 2, 2008 11:45 AM | Link to this

Rawhide, when we’re talking about the ASG, perhaps conventional wisdom or logic has to be removed.

I suspect that this pending litigation causes far more difficulty for them than even they’d be willing to discuss. For what it’s worth, I COMPLETELY BELIEVE that these fellas want to win NBA and NHL Championships. I just don’t think they know how to go about doing that. And, I know that they have to be financially solvent because of the lawsuit stipulating that these teams must not be “devalued” or it brings forth more litigation that Belkin’s share of a “buyout” has be mismanaged or devalued.

So, I can’t assume, for one second, that Don Waddell will be fired. When Forbes Magazine says … Don runs a profitable ship, to tune of being the #6 overall sports GM, financially. And uhh, “Financially” is the operative word there. If you are the ASG, maybe you hold on to Waddell strictly based on “business principles?” Don’t forget, this team possibly “breaks even” … before all the Revenue-sharing dollars kick in. Which actually means … they’re making money. How much? I don’t know. I couldn’t say. If you put a gun to my head, I’d estimate somewhere between $3 million and $7 million. I’d at least begin to have a handle on it, if the NHL would make PUBLIC how much each team gets in revenue-sharing dollars. But, as we all know, That’s a national security secret that not even the NSA, CIA, FBI, ONI, DCIS, Department of State, or Homeland Security are permitted to know. And if they do know, they’d have to kill you right after they told you. So, … I don’t need to know that badly.

Freelance writer Scott Burnside, of ESPN.com, also continually advanced the idea that the Atlanta Spirit Group does not have a handle on the GM position in hockey. I don’t dispute that, even remotely. But what makes anyone think that the ASG will SUDDENLY HAVE AN EPIPHANY, such that … they arrive at the “logical conclusion” that Don Waddell should be fired?

I’m dying to hear an answer. I can hear it now. “But Brendan, that’s why they made Waddell come down to the bench. To fix what HE, ALONE, created? And if doesn’t get it done, he’s gone?” Right? Well hold on. Maybe it’s just a “financial” decision, based on not wanting to pay two coaches for one season. And Hartley’s getting paid NEXT YEAR, too. So, if Don stays … behind the bench he might just stay, too. Don Waddell is under contract through 2009, assuming he HASN’T ALREADY BEEN EXTENDED past 2009. So?? So, if the ASG doesn’t want to pay for two (2) coaches, what makes you think they want to pay for two (2) GM’s??

Right now, people are thinking, “Dude, chill. The guy is getting fired. He has to be.” Yeah well, I wouldn’t put money on that. This is the ASG. They don’t do ANYTHING right. Haven’t you noticed that, BY NOW????

By Tom

March 2, 2008 11:49 AM | Link to this

Maybe the price hike for season ticket holders next season is to pay for the 2nd GM salary…

I bet Stroz would be willing to pay a higher fee if he knew that this was the case. An upsell so to speak, or a new marketing campaign such as…

How Much More Would You Pay For A Good GM?

By off the post

March 2, 2008 12:10 PM | Link to this

Brendan, are you going to post your W-2 on this blog here so everyone can see it? I imagine you wouldn’t. With that said, I don’t understand why anyone here feels its their right to view the financial records of a privately held company. If I am upset that TBS aired “Wedding Crashers” last night, sure I can go build a website called www.firetbspresident.com, but as a consumer of their product I have no right to see any of their financial records, let alone tell them that they must lose money to make my tv viewing a better experience. After reading your post you only convinced me that Waddell is the best GM for the job, not the other way around. If he is making them that much profit, bless him and the ASG for being profitable in what is otherwise not a hockey town. Maybe if you bought season tickets yourself they can upgrade from White to someone like Gomez. And if only 10 bloggers here actually have season tickets then we are stuck with White.

By Brendan

March 2, 2008 12:19 PM | Link to this

Would you like me to post my W-2, offthepost.

By Brendan

March 2, 2008 12:26 PM | Link to this

You know, technically, offthepost, the team hasn’t been officially “eliminated.” And today is March 2nd. Hey!! You know what means, don’t you???

WE’RE PLAYING “MEANINGFUL GAMES” IN MARCH!! Waddell needs a 3-year contract extension! Get it done, ASG!!! Prove PT Barnum, right!

By off the post

March 2, 2008 12:49 PM | Link to this

Brendan, that’s just it. Not just that I don’t want to see your W-2, but I don’t expect that you should have to show it to anyone here. Likewise, I don’t expect that the ASG should have to reveal their financial records or have to answer to us because they want to make money. You guys are overly passionate about wanting to fire Waddell, but your post argued just the opposite. You spoke of how profitable he makes the company, how Forbes ranks him so high, how they do so well. If I were a business owner, particularly of this business, why wouldn’t I sign him? You convinced me with your post. Until the firewaddell.com group realizes that sports is a business and the same rules apply here as to Coca-Cola and Home Depot, it sounds like Waddell is doing a great job and should stay. When you also say that “I do wonder, sometimes, what DRIVES them”, I have to wonder what drives your group to demand a company lose money for your personal satisfaction? I’m just wondering, that’s all. No hard feelings like some of the other bloggers here, but I have to say it sounds like he should stay as long as he makes the business profitable. I know that hurts to hear that, especially when Tom says he would go complete broke, but why doesn’t Tom buy everyone here season tickets and go complete broke that way, and then those additional purchases will be enough to get a high priced defenseman.

By Sage of Bluesland

March 2, 2008 2:01 PM | Link to this

“Profitability” depends on the context.

Off-ice it means revenues exceed costs. Simple.

ON-ICE it means something completely different. Don has failed miserably to make the ON-ICE product worthy of financial support.

All of Don’s bluster and failed promises will begin to impact the Off-ice/monetary profitability. Big-time.

Sage was absolutely correct once before when he told ya’ll—YEARS ago—that Don Waddell was a bum…Listen to ol’ Sage again when I say to sheep like “off the post” that the FINANCIAL REAPER is on his way…

Count on it. Just don’t be bashful to give me the long-overdue credit (that I missed somehow for calling out Waddell MANY years ago—and lo and behold WHO was right???!!!)

By Stats

March 2, 2008 2:42 PM | Link to this

Stendec - Thanks for sharing. A loss just doesn’t feel like a loss without you. I was starting to get worried.

Some of you above apparently skipped Church - tsk tsk. :)

I was so close to putting ATL on our church’s prayer list. Divine intervention may be the only thing that can save us.

By LAC

March 2, 2008 2:45 PM | Link to this

Sage, As ALWAYS… You are 100% correct on this IDIOT waddell.

He has all but made us an expansion team again. He is THE WORST GM in professional sports NO DOUBT !!!!

Sage, Maybe , just Maybe one day these others here will WAKE up and see it is waddell and waddell ALONE, who has all but destroyed this NHL franchise.

We are going in the WRONG direction and I see little evidence it will change until this LOSER is gone and this group of STUPID owners as well !

Sage You Rule !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By Sage of Bluesland

March 2, 2008 2:59 PM | Link to this

Well, the pitiful little SHEEP over at the official site has banned me and all of my comments…

Unbelievable. I guess TRUTH is yet another victim in that figurative and utter joke otherwise known as “Bwuewand” (for the wittle fwag-wavers, mindless sheep that they are!)

We’re all equal here in “Bwuewand”, some are just MORE equal than others…

By Rawhide

March 2, 2008 3:06 PM | Link to this

Stats - The entire Rawhide-four were present and accounted for is Sunday School and big-boy church today!!!

Tom - Wonderful that the boy is doing better…the good folks at Scottish Rite are aces!!!

GO THRASHERS!!

By puckjunque

March 2, 2008 3:06 PM | Link to this

Amens please!

Bow your heads, hands joined on the keyboards

Oh Heavenly Father, Thank you for listening to our prayers and the many blessings you have bestowed upon the Thrashers. Please continue to help this team rebuild and get stronger. Today is about retribution and winning. Please lead the Thrashers to fiercely defend out net and show no mercy. Please bestow upon the Thrashers the determination and aggressive energy they need to kick pittsburg’s a$$! AMEN!!!

Go Thrashers!!!

By Rawhide

March 2, 2008 3:11 PM | Link to this

A-FREAKIN’-MEN!!! Thanks, PJ….

GO THRASHERS!! … POUND PITTSBURGH!!

By The Other Bob

March 2, 2008 3:19 PM | Link to this

Or, Sage, they just got tire of your stupid “BWueland” and “sheep” comments…they get old after 8,458 times.

Get some new material, for God’s sake, man.

By PJ

March 2, 2008 3:24 PM | Link to this

Rawhide, Your teachers pet has been deep in the throws of a rendezvous with Amanda Quick and thus moved on to the new Alex Berensen spy novel. Ahh-oh, it’s 2-0. I might have to get out my foam dart gun….

Brendan I intentionally use the jersey number and you make a point to bold his name. You cast your line but the fish ain’t biting…LOL

By off the post

March 2, 2008 3:36 PM | Link to this

So I am sheep because I understand a p/l? Look, it’s 2-0 already, root for the #1 pick at this point. As for your definition of “on-ice” profitability, I would rather stick to the definitions that the rest of the business world use. And it seems that as long as Waddell is meeting the standards set by those definitions, the ASG is going to keep him around, no matter how much you guys moan and groan. I would rather root for a new owner than a new GM. If you get a new GM, do you think they are going to give him unlimited spending to the cap or are they going to focus only on profitability still? Sadly after this blog today I am thinking we have to hope to go the Edmonton route, hope to be a flash in the pan one year like when they lost to Carolina in the Cup Finals 2 years ago (as an 8 seed mind you), then trading away their UFA superstar the next year like we did with Hossa, to this year where they are 2nd to last in the conference. Face it, we are not a hockey town like Detroit that can go out and buy talent year in and year out. I don’t think ASG is going to risk bankruptcy to try and become a hockey town. Just because you bring in a new GM with the high priced talent doesn’t guarantee you win the Cup. Until then, profitability is king, b!tch all you want, but it’s true.

By Sage of Bluesland

March 2, 2008 3:42 PM | Link to this

Thanks LAC—you were at the forefront of this movement years ago, as well…Now the sheep are changing colors and coming out of the woodwork, espousing what we did YEARS ago…Oh well, better late than never, I guess…

Oh, and “Other Bob”, guess what else has GOTTEN OLD? Yes, our pitiful Thrashers and their pathetic ways.

Something else completely OLD? Don Waddell’s FAILED stewardship.

Do you honestly think I’ll stop spreading the TRUTH when this buffoon is still employed by the team I follow, the team he has run completely into the ground?

Nope. I’ll keep on until Don Waddell and his putrid stench is finally removed from the Atlanta Thrashers. I just wish more fans would vote with their wallet in protest of the unbelievable incompetence being shown by the organization.

I stopped subsidizing years ago—and both my bank account and personal time have benefited—Thank Ya’ very much! Here’s to hoping many more follow suit.

These owners and this GM do not deserve your hard-earned money…well, that is IF your goal is actually winning a Stanley Cup…

However, if you’re content with simply being in the league (and getting your head bashed in) then, by all means, spend your money—and look absolutely foolish in the process…Be a little sheep, if it pleases you…

By off the post

March 2, 2008 3:53 PM | Link to this

“I stopped subsidizing years ago—and both my bank account and personal time have benefited”

Sage, you’re not the answer, you’re the problem. If the diehard hockey fans don’t watch the team or go to the games, why would the ASG ever pour money into a high priced free agent? Thanks to you the pucksnsnots of the north have more proof that we are not a hockey town. Considering that you stopped years ago that was when we needed to be gaining momentum and building a fan base. That’s when we still were in a growth mode. But you had to stop. It’s all your fault Sage. Thanks for ruining hockey in Georgia. Now the ASG is only going to invest so much because “true hockey fans” like you won’t support the team. Now we’re stuck with Waddell because of you.

By Thrasher Ryan

March 2, 2008 3:58 PM | Link to this

It’s 2-1 Penguins after 1. Jimmy Slater with the lone Atlanta tally.

I’m givin KL a 3 or 4 goal limit today; yank him after that. We CANNOT afford to blow any more games!

Bryan Little is the best skater on this team. I like him because he hustles on every play. Unlike most of our guys. Waddell would be wise to use Bryan Little in our next shootout.

No free pass for the Thrasher offense. Guys not named Jim Slater need to step it up NOW!

GO BLUE!!!

By The Other Bob

March 2, 2008 4:00 PM | Link to this

Sage,…you don’t wanna go watch the Thrashers…that’s your choice…God bless you.

I want DW out at the end of the season too. However, I want the team in ATL for years to come. I love hockey and I root for my Thrashers. Thus, I go watch Thrashers games.

That doesn’t make me a sheep…it makes me a fan, and fan of the game and the team…through good times and bad.

If and when Waddell is gone, hopefully at the end of the year, and there is a new GM and a new plan and dirction for the team, do us a favor and just keep on staying at home. Don’t be one of those fair-weather, bandwagon-jumpers. There is a big ‘ol dome next door for those types.

Leave Blueland and the Thrasher for us true fans who are there through thick and thin.

By Brendan

March 2, 2008 4:06 PM | Link to this

Offthepost I really don’t think my post swayed you from a position you didn’t already hold. (Business are in business for the purposes of profitability. Or that you are a Don Waddell fan, as opposed to someone who wanted him fired, but now SUDDENLY supports him again.) But, truthfully, because I don’t know the finances of the team, I don’t rightly know if they do or don’t make money. All I can do is “speculate.” I “believe” that the Thrashers are profitable, but I very well could be wrong. Especially, if I’ve overestimated the amount of revenue-sharing dollars. Which, again, no one knows what it is outside of the team and the NHL. Which, come to think of it, how on EARTH does Forbes really know??? The Internal Revenue Service should know.

Likewise, nothing I advance here is going to change the “mindset” over at firewaddell.com, either. If I said, “his drafting has gotten a little bit better” … they’d swamp me with the evidence that his recent efforts aren’t nearly enough to right the ship. Perhaps the drafting has been good enough for us to enter the “lottery draft” once again. Which is “fine,” as long as we get Doughty or Stampkos. But I digress.

I’m not a member of any group. I’m just one voice on a blog. And when the Thrashers get fixed, I’ll go back to attending 20 games a year. Which is something that should “please” the ASG. But it’s not MY JOB to get them fixed. It’s THEIR JOB. Above all, wins put fannies in seats better than any promotion you can think of. But if this team doesn’t come up with a “strategy” and soon, there won’t be butts in seats. Think I “like” missing games? I love the Philips Arena experience. I just won’t support the “stay the course” approach the ASG is undertaking. They need to make a change. It’s not working and it won’t work, until they address the GM position and their own strategies.

Forbes won’t have nice things to say to the ASG when the place is two-thirds empty for hockey games.

Look, I can appreciate that they want to keep payrolls low. I’ve seen teams do it, and be very successful at the same time. The Minnesota Wild, in 2003, went to the Conference Finals with a total team payroll of just over $22 million. In 2008 dollars, adjusted for inflation, that still wouldn’t meet the $34.3 million required to meet the “floor” of the salary cap. That is, the absolute minimum that the league allows.

I’m “okay” with a strategy of 11 forwards each making $1.75M to $2.75 million, who each score 20 goals, have “grit enough” to win puck battles in the corner boards, and who are super “speedy.” That’s a strategy that “fits” within what I “perceive” may be the “business plan” of the ASG. They just haven’t implemented hockey approach as an “on ice” strategy. Moreover, it takes a few years of very successful drafting to pull it off. And how do you do that, while you’ve got $8 million guys on the payroll? The strategy I’ve outlined basically allows for one high dollar player and that’s “earmarked” for the goalie. (Not Lehtonen, this is just a “hypothetical model.”) It’s going to be tough to re-sign Kovalchuk unless Kari Lehtonen and Pavelec can be secured cheaply. Which is something Waddell ought to have been working on, but hasn’t. I know, we’re all stunned by that.

Jim Slater scored. Perfect example, offthepost. Now, if Slater were a 20-goal scorer, that we’d drafted, GM Waddell could show that to the ASG and say, “It’s all in keeping with our roll four lines, with “el cheapo” contracts, and still get results. Sadly, Jim Slater, selected 30th overall, 2002, has just scored his 4th goal of the season. And unless he goes on an unmitigated “tear,” that’s not going to cut it. But what’s his salary? $750K? $850K, maybe?

If this GM’s efforts cause people who want to be at Philips Arena, (like me,) or who would “otherwise” be at Philips Arena, to abstain from attending games, then it’s “bad.” And it needs to be fixed. Like, NOW.

By off the post

March 2, 2008 4:13 PM | Link to this

Thrasher Ryan, if Little and Slater shine these last dozen games that can be the best possible scenario (other than going undefeated). Two young guys who are playing for a spot next year and showing they can get it done. I am still thinking we are done and thus I hate to say it but a high draft pick would be nice (translation = it wouldn’t hurt to lose). Put White in Holik’s spot next year, and you have Little on the top line, Slater producing on the grinder line, then your choice of Christensen or Perrin on the 2nd spot, both of whom can play wing.

By off the post

March 2, 2008 4:26 PM | Link to this

yes Brendan, the Wild did do that in 2003, and have they been back since? Thus my example of Edmonton. You are a flash in the pan one year and the following year you aren’t even close. My big curiosity is that TWICE today you mentioned REVENUE SHARING in BIG LETTERS so as to BRING ATTENTION to it. Why do you care so much about that? I ate salad this week. Does that mean I now have a right to all knowledge of GOVERNMENT SUBSIDIES for all FARMERS? Big deal, so the league does revenue sharing, the ASG is still a privately held company and you have no right to see the books. Get over it. No matter how much you b!tch on a blog, you are still SMALL POTATOES in the eyes of the ASG and they could care less about your opinion or business theories. Enjoy the game.

By Brendan

March 2, 2008 4:37 PM | Link to this

Ya know something, I’m not “livid” with Todd White and Eric Perrin as centers. Marian Hossa is. But we really have a “depth strategy,” of rolling four lines of players like this, we’d win games, 4-3. We wouldn’t have SUPERSTARS, but if we won a lot, where’s the problem? People come out for wins. It’s true. They do.

I hate that I’ve missed this many games. But I’m out of options. I hated the way Hartley ran that anemic powerplay. His goaltender was insane. And the switching out Moose for Kari just for the shootout … wow. They didn’t address the Head Coach last year. And as a result, they gave the guy who ought to have fired … a 2-year deal, which they are not EATING. It took six games this year to get him fired. But still, they haven’t corrected the “Head Coach” position. Waddell’s done his level-best to coach this team. Technically, it has a “winning record” under Waddell’s leadership. But it’s inadquately addressing a problem. And under whose purview is the Head Coaching the position, if not for the GM?

Can’t a “reasonable” person SEE that? They won’t make a “hockey change” because it upsets their “profitability” and “business model.” Well, ignore a problem long enough, and it WILL affect your profits. If you’re a fan of the Thrashers … and you want to see a change … but the ownership won’t make the change … what “recourse” do you really have? Email them? Write them letters? Tell their ticket reps why you’re unhappy?

They don’t CARE. Why should they?, if everyone keeps spending money. That “fits” their business model. They want and need to make sales. They have to move inventory. Why would they change a thing?? If they get the $$, they’ll see no reason to make a change in how they own and run their business.

By Brendan

March 2, 2008 4:42 PM | Link to this

I meant to say, “goaltender rotation” was insane. Although, Jeff Schultz recently wrote that Kari Lehtone was “just this side” of a drool cup. Ouch.

By Brendan

March 2, 2008 4:49 PM | Link to this

Minnesota made the playoffs last year, and very well may win their division this year. In any event, they’ll make the playoffs. The Wild were mostly derailed with a contract holdout by Marian Gaborik a few years ago.

Look, offthepost, I’m not an auditor. I’m not demanding to see the ASG’s books. But I do think that fans, whether season ticket holders or not, ought to be made aware how close the team is to either the floor or ceiling of a cap. Why? Because if a team is unwilling to spend money to try to win, why should fans support it vigorously? It shouldn’t be a secret. I don’t care if the owners have secret bank accounts in Seychelles or Switzerland, or something. Laughing. But I do want to know how and why the Thrashers (not Hawks, not Phiips Arean) do what they do. Is that so insane?

I guess it is. It’s wildly and uncontrollably insane.

By off the post

March 2, 2008 4:54 PM | Link to this

I would say in any normal sports team, Waddell as GM should be responsible for the head coach. But given that the ASG wouldn’t let Woodson get fired on 3 separate occasions, I can’t reasonably blame Waddell for that THIS year. Next season though, I better see Anderson.

By Thrasher Ryan

March 2, 2008 4:57 PM | Link to this

It’s 2-1 Penguins after 2. STILL.

Thrashers need to step up. It is also completely unacceptable to give out bonus points to the Pens at this point in our season. This game MUST be won in regulation!

offthepost—That’s what i’m sayin too, man. I’m still disappointed Waddell didn’t trade any of our UFA’s. We had plenty of offers, but Waddell acted selfishly…. perhaps to not have to show us Thrasher fans the prospects he drafted? I don’t know. I just think it’s time that the fans deserve to see guys like Lavallee, Valabik, Desbiens.

Because it appears to me Waddell is reluctant to rely on our young guys.

This team needs to step it up in the 3rd!

GO BLUE!!!

By Rawhide

March 2, 2008 5:03 PM | Link to this

Brendan - I have to tell you that I have been very happy to see that you have seen the light in regards to the “head coach” situation. In hind sight, placing a new one after BH was let go should have been done.

Everything you said about Hartley above is not without marit, (albeit I actually liked the shoot-out switch in Phily last year…at least it showed some kind of strategic thinking. Alas, it didn’t work out, BUT if it had you would see EVERY team considering it…by-gones).

Anyway….about BH…even with the above mentioned items, there is ONE thing Hartley did for this team. he made them better.

When he took over in Jan. ‘03, he inherited a squad that finished dead last in the east the year prior and started 8-20-4-1 under Curt Frazer that season. BH lead that same team to 20-14-5-1 that year, then to an 11th place finish the next, to 10th the next, to 2 points out of the playoffs the next, to winning the division after that season.

“incremental advancement”…

Every year the team was better then the previous. Even with all that weird, quirky stuff.

While it’s completely understandible WHY he was fired, I can’t help but wonder if this team would have actually been in better shape today if he were allowed to complete the season. Yes, it’s purely speculative…but he did have history on his side in that regards.

Regardless, as you have stated, not replacing him after his release has been a mistake.

By off the post

March 2, 2008 5:11 PM | Link to this

Thrasher Ryan, I would want to hear exactly what was offered. Technically we still don’t know we got a better deal from Pittsburgh versus say Montreal. Given that the trade was made with the Penguins you have to say “yes”. But the point is that unless we know what was exactly offered I would want to know for sure that someone actually WANTED Zhitnik. Now was it a 1st round pick or 7th round pick for Holik. I just want to know that first. Given he is gone at the end of the year I don’t see giving up a team captain for a 7th round pick. Now a first rounder and he better have been traded.

By Jim_Bob

March 2, 2008 5:16 PM | Link to this

Well hello there Rawhide and Jethro. How you feller’s doin today?

Say, you fellers know if this is them same Penguin fellers that took liberties out on that Kovy feller?

If so, some feller better be gettin’ a beatin’ before this suckers over!

By Rawhide

March 2, 2008 5:26 PM | Link to this

Jim Bob - Yup, these are the one in the same Pens who have Ruutu the Assasin playing for them…but right now I hope the Thrashers just concentrate on getting the 2 points.

Sage - Did they actually “ban” you from the site for expressing your opinion? My, my!

By The Other Bob

March 2, 2008 5:48 PM | Link to this

OK, that’s 7 losses in a row….I thought 6 was the limit!

By Sage of Bluesland

March 2, 2008 5:52 PM | Link to this

Well, even my posts which were ‘approved’ have been removed!

No paranoia there, eh?

They must not like what I’m saying???

Truth (or honest belief) is a victim—and some sheep think I’m more of a “problem than a solution”…Listen little bo-peep, I’ve OFFERED A SOLUTION FOR YEARS NOW—YET YOU HAVE PAID NO ATTENTION or shown nothing but scorn…

Don Waddell must go for this franchise to move forward. If this buffoon is allowed to continue to make the decisions for this franchise, it will go from bad to worse…

Yet I’m the one blamed for the Thrashers current state of affairs! How deliciously asinine and infantile! Whatever, lambchop…

By Nikita

March 2, 2008 5:55 PM | Link to this

Ok, not that I don’t enjoy panning people who deserve it…but I am going to the game Wednesday, and I plan to go with my game face on. Any ideas for signage, body painting, glitter, etc.? I’m thinking of giving props to the 4th line, and whipping up some general encouragement.

(And by the way, you guys had better be cheering with me.)

By The Other Bob

March 2, 2008 6:03 PM | Link to this

Nikita - I’ll be there too, all made up as well….I’ll be the one dressed as Sage!

Yeah…I’ll be in a parrot costume screaming, “BAWK….Bwueland’s full of sheep”!….”BAWK…Bwuelands full of sheep”…”BAWK, Sage wants a craker”….

By Thrasher Ryan

March 2, 2008 6:14 PM | Link to this

Thrashers LOSE 3-2, SO.

Brendan—By my count, the only way I see them getting in the playoffs is winning 14 of the next 15. Not happening.

offthepost—A few days ago there was a link on Custance’s blog to a Waddell quote saying it was 1st Round pick.

It doesn’t matter now, although it makes it easier to fire Waddell when he consistently makes boneheaded decisions like that. Bygones.

I would be calling John Anderson right now. Waddell will probably do nothing. I’ll have no part in a new 3 year plan. Unless it’s for a GM NOT NAMED Don Waddell.

Regardless, the coaching decision must be made NOW, while there are still games left to work up the chemistry with the players and the new coach.

For those who don’t realize it yet, this team bagged it in in November.

By Sage of Bluesland

March 2, 2008 6:18 PM | Link to this

Hey Gomer, it’s “Bwuewand”…if you can’t get the details correct, you’ll never get the big picture…

By Stats

March 2, 2008 6:31 PM | Link to this

OK Stendec, you can freely scream about KL on the second goal - not good. But give the kid some credit, stopped every shot after that up to the shootout.

Perrin needs a new move or to be taken out of the shootout lineup. That was embarrassing.

You all are more knowledgable of the game than me, can you explain why no whistle on the first goal? It looked to me like KL had it covered up. With all of the goalie padding it would seem that the puck could always be dug out with enough effort. Seemed a little cheap from the refs.

By stendec

March 2, 2008 6:38 PM | Link to this

have had it! Ilya “I Only Try When I Want To” Kovalchuk went through motions in shootout. Was that only evident to me? Expected Letemin to fold up like cheap toilet paper in shootout but so-called team star? Another Marian Hossa on horizon! Somebody tell the prima donna there is no “I” in TEAM. There is one in Ilya. From first to worst? Without a doubt. Deservedly so! Thrashers quit weeks ago. What a bunch of untalented clueless quitters. GO FLAMES!

By Stats

March 2, 2008 6:40 PM | Link to this

RH - Good point re: BH

While it’s completely understandible WHY he was fired, I can’t help but wonder if this team would have actually been in better shape today if he were allowed to complete the season. Yes, it’s purely speculative…but he did have history on his side in that regards. Regardless, as you have stated, not replacing him after his release has been a mistake.

BH was a hard a#@. The players did not like him and he was OK with it. However, he could motivate. The problem is that his style did not fit the players or the current game. The problem is that the DW did what many teams do in this situation. The bring in the guy who is easier and more friendly. (The Falcons did the same thing when they hired Jim Mora). You lose the ability to motivate and teach when you want to be friends. DW scouted and drafted or traded for these players. He is inherently conflicted in criticizing them because it is partially criticizing himself.
The only silver lining is that instead of hiring a coach who is too soft, hopefully ATL got that out of its system with DW and we can get a hard nosed motivator in here.

By bob (other)

March 2, 2008 6:42 PM | Link to this

Folks, ease up. DW is not going anywhere and he is a solid GM. Although difficult, we are still in it, but must start winning. It is a parity league with the teams that get hot at the end, the winners…just look at Ottawa’s relative position now, could be a 5 or 6 seed. Those who continually remain negative, really do not understand the business of the NHL and are commenting on pure emotion.

By off the post

March 2, 2008 7:05 PM | Link to this

Ok, Stendec is officially loony. Say what you want about Waddell, Lehtonen, Zhitnik, ok. But when you start bad mouthing Ilya, you deserve to be cross checked in the mouth. Given you are purely emotional, I shouldn’t be dragged into this. HOWEVER, the shootout is not at game speed because the clock is stopped. Some of Kozzie’s best goals came at half speed. I don’t know what you expect. Ilya goes 100 for 100 in shootout? He just scored on a penalty shot yesterday. When the announcer calls Perrin’s shot before he does it, it’s clear that these players are scouted. They have to change up.

By Brendan

March 2, 2008 7:10 PM | Link to this

Down 2-0, the Thrashers did well to get it tied. Shots on goal were 34-33, in favor of Pittsburgh. Waddell actually said I agree with in the postgame shows, “With six shootout shooters and no goals, that’s almost unbelievable.”

The Other Bob, well, it’s seven losses. It’s not like we’re going to the playoffs. At this point, every point kinda, sorta “hurts us.” There’s good news in that regard, Florida defeated the NY Isles, 1-0. They’re going to climb ahead of us.

Rawhide, I’m sorry it took me so long. I genuinely believed Don Waddell could “fix it” all by himself. I was wrrrrr. I was not correct.

ThrasherRyan, so who do you like? Doughty or Stampkos? I like Doughty, even though he’ll take a year longer to develop, more than likely. I’m in it for the longhaul. I want a new GM to have a “fair chance” to develop young players. If the ASG gives either DW or the next GM an “ultimatum,” playoffs or you’re fired, then we’ll see all sorts of craziness again at the trade deadline next year.

Stendec, Kari gave up one goal in these three shots. As did Moose. That’s not so horrible. Of course, why Waddell isn’t locking up Lehtonen right now, before the price gets any higher, I’ll never know. Unless Sage is right that the ASG has decided to go in a different direction and they want the “new” GM to negotiate all future player contracts. And if that’s the case, I’ll certainly ease up a bit. But I honestly don’t think the next Thrashers GM would says, 3-years/$9.0 million absolutely “hamstrung” me at the goaltender position.

Ilya Kovalchuk has never “quit” all season. He was here and TRYING even when Hartley was still the coach. He’s probably still suffering a bit from the Ruutu knee hit. That’s all. Is he “sad” Hossa is gone? Shrugs. Probably. But it’s not as if he didn’t know the Thrashers were sinking before that deadline. Ya know?

Rawhide, I just realized this was a homecoming for Thorburn, Recchi, Christensen, Armstrong and Hedberg. Who knew we had so many former Penguins!

Hope Nic Havelid is okay.

By Nikita

March 2, 2008 7:21 PM | Link to this

IMO, Perrin’s move..

1. He missed it — he was way past the point where he normally makes the shot and too close into the goal.
2. His recent streak made him worth scouting. Before that he was (in most people’s perception) small potatoes and no threat.

And I’m really not kidding about body paint and signage…or maybe one of those Blue Crew outfits.

By Brendan

March 2, 2008 7:22 PM | Link to this

Okay, it’s double posting on “one” click, unless I’ve actually had more caffeine than I thought today.

By Nikita

March 2, 2008 7:23 PM | Link to this

IMO, Perrin’s move..

1. He missed it — he was way past the point where he normally makes the shot and too close into the goal.
2. His recent streak made him worth scouting. Before that he was (in most people’s perception) small potatoes and no threat.

And I’m really not kidding about body paint and signage…or maybe one of those Blue Crew outfits. Suggestions, please!

By erock

March 2, 2008 7:34 PM | Link to this

Hope Nic Havelid is okay……I DONT…. CALL UP BORIS VALABIK !!!

By Brendan

March 2, 2008 7:47 PM | Link to this

I love your “sensitivity” EROCK! You know, with 15 or so games left, we’d lose a year off Boris’ RFA eligibility if we played him the rest of the way. But if he came up for 9 games, and then finished the year down in Chicago, then …. why not, right?

By Sage of Bluesland

March 2, 2008 7:49 PM | Link to this

THINK about this, fellow Thrashers fans…Even if ‘I’ were the GM of this team since its inception and ‘I’ was a disaster of epic proportions, ‘I’ would have the SAME number of playoff WINS as your brilliant Donny during his tenure at the helm…’I’—or any other GM—couldn’t possibly do much worse!!!

Yeah, he’s “solid” all right!

When will ya’ll STOP sipping the Kool-Aid and come back to reality???

If the ASG keeps this clown on board next year in any capacity, then there should be a boycott of the product until the VOICE of the fan is heard loud and clear…If this is the only way to get the owners’ attention, then so be it.

If they move their product as a result, then so be it as well—we’ll be better off in the long-run without these owners who would keep Waddell after nearly a decade of incompetence…

Decision-making is what separates the winners from the losers…We’ve spent max-cap before and didn’t make it into the 2nd season, so that is no longer an excuse…Let’s see, that leaves the reason for our performance with the players OR the person who, alone, selected the players…

Pretty easy identification of the ‘cause’ of the majority of our problems…But, you know what they say: You can lead a sheep to water, but you cannot make them drink…

So true!

By The Other Bob

March 2, 2008 8:24 PM | Link to this

Damn Sage… you ALMOST made it through that post without using the word “sheep”….you’re getting better.

By bob (other)

March 2, 2008 8:26 PM | Link to this

Sage, The fans do vote now with avg attendance of almost 16,000 and the overall base is fairly solid, thus the break even budget of about $37M. ASG has accepted a small loss spread against the ownership group.

Dw will be back and is a good GM…look around the league. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I believe you are off base.

By erock

March 2, 2008 9:49 PM | Link to this

“I’m very happy with the whole group back there,” Waddell said, although his team is starting to get banged up…HEY WAD HEAD WE HAVE LOST..LET ME SAY IT AGAIN…WE HAVE LOST 7 IN A ROW !!!!

By Brendan

March 2, 2008 10:47 PM | Link to this

Now erock, you’re confusing “hockey accountability” with profits from a “business plan.” This is no problem. Everything is fine.