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Started With Rangers, Ended With Rangers
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
(With apologies to the late Pres. Gerald Ford): Ladies and gentlemen of Blueland, our long national nightmare is finally over.
What began with a 4-3 loss in game one of the first round of the playoffs to the Rangers ended with a 5-3 win over that same team. The last time we spoke of a victory was the last game of the regular season, a 3-2 shootout win over Tampa Bay. Seemed like forever, did it not?
So, the post-Hartley era stands at 1-0-0.
A few plays and players stood out to me tonight.
The first goal, scored by Dupuis on an awesome backhanded pass from Brad Larson, was thing of beauty. Garnet Exelby’s strong showing, (21:37 TOI, 1 assists, +2), and playing stand up defense. Moose did very well coming off the bench. For that matter, I thought Kari looked very sharp B.G., (Before Groin). Todd White with a goal and a helper. The Baby Blue line hooked up for another score. And it’s always nice when a power play goal is scored before the announcer can finish citing the penalty, as with Hossa’s.
But the best showing of the night was the overall physical game. I was getting ready to put out an Amber Alert for it prior to last night. XLB’s shot on Prucha was landed just in front of their bench but I felt it in section 106, (OW-ICH)! The Thrashers are a team that cannot allow them selves to be pushed around. Last night they were clearly the more aggressive team. This must continue.
These are all very, very good visuals to take away from Philips. However, there are still some ominous signs that don’t bode well for the future, (I know, I know, I’m raining on the parade).
Once again, we were out shot 36-28, (The 36 being the main concern).
We still have not held a team to fewer then 3 goals in any of the seven games this season.
The Thrashers were beaten in the face off circle by a 36-24 margin.
The Rangers converted 3 of 7 power play opportunities.
So, there is still much work to be done. But at least that fat goose egg has been shoved out of the W column, and that was job number one. The work continues in Tampa tomorrow.
Oh, and if you wondering, we are four points out of the #8 spot in the conference.





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By Brian
October 19, 2007 9:13 AM | Link to this
Buzzilla - I win!
By Hockeyfan
October 19, 2007 9:14 AM | Link to this
Somebody owes me a beer…
Jagr hitting X in the groin with his stick is a classless thing to do but what do you expect
By ssiscribe
October 19, 2007 9:14 AM | Link to this
I normally don’t post on here, but I love hockey, so here goes:
That boulder the Thrashers have been carrying around since the start of the season finally was lifted last night. It was removed by a team that had tremendous jump, skated hard, acted like it knew what it was doing once it got into the offensive zone (and actually was able to STAY in the zone for longer than two seconds), and got good goaltending from both Kari and Moose.
Kari’s health issues continue to be a concern. Fortunately, Moose is a veteran who I think will step up and fill in well at the No. 1 spot if he’s needed for more than a game or two. But give Kari lots of credit; if he gives one up early when the Rangers had a flurry of chances, this team still may be 0-for.
That’s why Dupris skated the length of the ice to Kari after his goal (which came on a slick pass from Larsen). Thought that line looked great, as did the Baby Birds line. White played very well, as did Kozzy (who finally showed up).
Good win. Needed something positive to take on the road. Time to circle the wagons and rally together on the roadie. Go 4-3, and things will be just fine.
The Scribe abides.
—30—
By Buzilla Baby Blues
October 19, 2007 9:15 AM | Link to this
I win?
By Buzilla Baby Blues
October 19, 2007 9:17 AM | Link to this
DAMN YOU BRIAN!
By Buzilla Baby Blues
October 19, 2007 9:22 AM | Link to this
Outstanding game last night. It did my some good. I’ve now stopped kicking cats that cross my path. Like Willy said though, we have some stuff to work on.
(.Y.)
By FormerIslesFan
October 19, 2007 9:26 AM | Link to this
RH - Great read. And for those of us watching the game on TV, we felt X’s hit too. Darren Elliott specifically talked about it being a “payback” hit for the boarding that Jagr did on Enstrom in the 2nd period, but you didn’t mention that. Did you (or anyone else) get that feeling from the stands?
What I REALLY liked about X’s hit is that he was not goaded into fighting Holloweg or Orr and the latter draw the 4 minute minor (which Hossa then capitalized on).
What I saw this game was SMART playing, both in how they played with the puck and how they played away from the puck.
By Brian
October 19, 2007 9:29 AM | Link to this
Now that I officially won this blog’s beer (sorry Hockeyfan)…
Rawhide (and ssiscribbe) - for the love of God, when referring to the line of Little, Haydar & Sterling, do NOT use the words BABY or BACKSTREET ever again. KID LINE seems to be working just fine, they are young but they are still hockey players.
Rawhide - sog was not in our favor, but scoring chances were. As for the 3 goals, all 3 came on the power play which the refs seemed to try very hard to give to the NYR at the end (come on, Hollweg gets to elbow Zhitnik right in the chops but if we even look cross eyed at them we are in the box???). As for special teams, yes you can say we let in 3 PP goals, but we also scored 2 PP goals and 1 SHG, so special teams +/- was even between the two teams. So, if not for the ending, we would’ve held the NYR to less than 3 goals.
By Rawhide
October 19, 2007 9:39 AM | Link to this
FIF - Darren Elliott specifically talked about it being a “payback” hit for the boarding that Jagr did on Enstrom in the 2nd period, but you didn’t mention that. Did you (or anyone else) get that feeling from the stands?
Oh, we felt that way. It was a cheap shot, but we were playing the Rangers, so what else is new?
By FormerIslesFan
October 19, 2007 9:54 AM | Link to this
RH - Hey, don’t get me wrong. Growing up on LI, I have absolutely no love loss for the Ranger$. What really surprised me, though, was the way the refs appeared to do everything they could to bring the Blue Shirts back into the game in the latter half of the Third Period. The lack of extra penalty on Shannahan when he sucker punched X (after X’s hit on Jagr) was ridiculously obvious. But, what do you expect. As you said, “we were playing the Ranger$, so what else is new?”
By jen
October 19, 2007 10:00 AM | Link to this
The officiating was horrible last night. Hollweg and Shannahan should have gotten instigators. I have no cloue how we came out behind that last penalty when the refs had to literally wrestle Shanny down.
PK still looked horrible, but I liked the flow on the PP. We played with much more puck possesstion and speed, getting to the spots they had been missing for the last 6 games. Kozzie and Hossa both look like they finally woke up…
By Baldheaded Thrasher
October 19, 2007 10:24 AM | Link to this
Enjoyed the game last night, but what I disliked the most was that no one started pounding on Straka after he cross checked Enstrom !!??? Payback shouldv’e been immediate and not into third period. Got to say best game in along time. When was the last time we had 28 shots on the net?
By luckydog
October 19, 2007 10:26 AM | Link to this
For the record, it was Marty Straka, not Jagr, who boarded Enstrom. The Prucha knockdown was definitely the retaliation — I just wish it had come sooner.
And how ‘bout we just call it the Rookie Line and leave kids and babies out of it. Haydar is like 28 years old….
By Chris
October 19, 2007 10:29 AM | Link to this
The question is now, can it be sustained - not surprising to get a jump for a game or two after the coaching change. It was nice to see the guys clicking last night, just to remind us that it can work like that.
The Rangers seemed very out of sorts at even strength so we caught a break.
By sisu
October 19, 2007 10:30 AM | Link to this
The key to the win? Scoring first
By BlueSpark
October 19, 2007 10:31 AM | Link to this
This looked like a totally different team. Melrose thinks the players wanted Hartley gone, and this (almost) 180 lends support to that.
Agreed on the officiating in the 3rd. I was at the game, and was at total loss as to how the penalties were handed out in the Shanahan incident.
PK still needs work, but a SHG is nice.
By Brian
October 19, 2007 10:33 AM | Link to this
luckydog - Rook line it is.
Rawhide - start using that until something better comes up (Chuk Norris entries need not be submitted)…
By Rawhide
October 19, 2007 10:35 AM | Link to this
When was the last time we had 28 shots on the net? - We actually took 31 shots in Filth-adelphia Tuesday night.
However, your point is well taken.
If your gonna be giving up 30+ shots a game, you better be getting off more then 20 or so yourself.
By JayBird
October 19, 2007 10:42 AM | Link to this
I was completely shocked at our play last night. Apparently Hartley was strangling the life out of the boys because they came out loose and flying last night. It was really a strange transformation but one I know we all loved. I have been complaining for a long time about movement on the powerplay and crashing the net. Maybe we will actually start doing that. The Kozlov goal was nice and it was great to see we actually moved the puck with purpose.
Brian, why are you so opposed to the word baby? In this case, its not a derrogatory term used to question their manhood or attitude.
Rawhide, I like the Baby Blue line but I still think the baby-faced assassins is better. Of course, I’m a little biased! Great job on the blog. Its nice to read a fan’s perspective especially from someone who understands the game and sees things for what they are. Continue the good work. And being a history major, I loved the Gerald Ford reference!
By Jenn
October 19, 2007 10:45 AM | Link to this
The players may have wanted Hartley gone, but they’re professionals. I doubt they would have thrown 6 games just for the result. I think that’s an awful accusation.
On the other hand, if the players we unhappy with the coaching, the lackluster “effort” could have been a psychosomatic result. But I have serious doubts that the losses were intentional.
By Jenn
October 19, 2007 10:46 AM | Link to this
BlueSpark - The players may have wanted Hartley gone, but they’re professionals. I doubt they would have thrown 6 games just for the result. I think that’s an awful accusation.
On the other hand, if the players we unhappy with the coaching, the lackluster “effort” could have been a psychosomatic result. But I have serious doubts that the losses were intentional.
By ssiscribe
October 19, 2007 10:57 AM | Link to this
Brian: Good point about using Baby in describing a hockey line. I sure wasn’t going to use “Backstreet Boys,” for sure, although it caused me to chuckle the first time I heard it. Love the way those guys play, though. Nice goal by Little last night.
Any word on Enstrom after he got drilled into the boards? Love the way he’s played; one of the few who’s showed up for all seven games so far this season. He’ll make rookie mistakes, and his size will hurt him on occasion, but I love his passion and the way he handles the puck.
Now, Hartley (transition from the Scribe): No way in hell the players tanked it on purpose. These guys want to win, even if they didn’t like the coach or the coach lost the team. I still say Waddell should’ve been shown the door first, but I don’t think one is too far behind the other, regardless of order.
Now, road trip (more transition): I said 4-3 earlier. That would have the Thrashers at 5-9 after the first 14 games. With 68 games left at that point, the Thrashers will have 37 home games and 31 road games left. I’ll gladly take four wins on the road trip. And maybe getting out of here will do them a world of good. We’ll see, starting Saturday night.
The Scribe abides.
—30—
By B. Thenet
October 19, 2007 11:01 AM | Link to this
That is the team I expected to see this season.
I’ll tell you this. That Sterling-Little-Haydar line is only going to get better. If we can get consistent efforts from them, we are going to be back in this thing.
When Sidney Crosby….I mean Brad Larsen, made that pass I knew we were going to win. That might be the best play I have ever seen Brad Larsen make.
Yes, the 3rd period was not a strong one. The Thrashers got sloppy, and with help from the refs it got closer than the play would dictate.
However, I saw more good things out of this game than the first 6 combined. Still getting some bad bounces though, should have had 4 goals in the first period.
By Buzilla Baby Blues
October 19, 2007 11:14 AM | Link to this
What are the odds of Melrose getting back behind the bench? He can’t be getting too much money from ESPN any longer. That would be cool. Bring a lot of attention to the team at least
By Rawhide
October 19, 2007 11:52 AM | Link to this
OK, Ok, kids, settle down. I know we are still all excited about last night, but we got business to do here and time ain’t stopping for our little party.
Brian - here is today’s blog beer for being first,…….keep in mind it’s still morning.
Everyone, say howdy to SSISCRIBE - Welcome and thanks for your insight. Truely good stuff.
Now, on that note, we seem to be getting a lot of “new bloggers” lately. This is a good thing. So, welcome to all who have begun posting lately.
Also, for those of you “lurking”,….don’t be shy, step forward every once and a while and let us know what’s your thoughts.
OK, now,…the search for a new coach is under way, soon we should know who is on the “Short List”. So, let’s get the ball rolling by taking a few names and tossing them in the fire one-by-one.
Now,……uh, Trixie, where are my notes,…oh, thanks.
(Rustling papers)…
First on the docket, Pat Quinn:
Quinn was the winningest active coach in the NHL and 4th all time with 616 wins and is recognized by the hockey community as one of the top coaches of the NHL when he left Toronto in April of last year. Quinn’s NHL coaching record includes 11 first round playoff wins in 16 seasons. An astounding winning percentage of 69%, surpassed only by coaching legend Scotty Bowman, 71%, and ahead of New York Islanders legend Al Arbour, 66%.
Quinn is a part-owner of the Vancouver Giants of the Western Hockey League who won the Memorial Cup in 2007.
He remains the head coach of the Canadian National Hockey Team.
Also, he is no stranger to Atlanta given his time with the Flames in the ’70s.
Your thoughts?
By ranallo10
October 19, 2007 12:07 PM | Link to this
Pat Quinn = Joe Torre
He won with deep pocketed teams, and had a less than stellar record in the new NHL (4th in the Northeast Division - 90 points, 13 point drop off from the previous season). He’s 64, and the game has likely passed him by. There’s a reason JFJ (John Ferguson Jr.) fired him after the ‘05-‘06 season.
Let’s not re-tread this tire, he’s not needed here.
NEXT
By PuckedUP
October 19, 2007 12:28 PM | Link to this
I think GaVaHokie or Ranallo said it best the other day. Since the lockout Quinn’s win/loss numbers do not look as good. Let’s hope there is a focus on new hockey. But there is also the issue of whether or not DW gets shown the door. So, what person might take this job only to see it gone at the end of the year? Sort of hampers things a little bit.
Also, I don’t know if this question was asked previously. But aside from the obvious points that the team was playing “ungood”, is it possible the most direct reason for cutting ties with Bob has more to do with getting Hossa re-signed to the team? Just thinking out loud.
Nice win thrash!
By Mehoff
October 19, 2007 12:39 PM | Link to this
I’m not real sure Waddell would hire Pat Quinn, because most likely, Quinn will end up taking his job, because I think Quinn would be a better GM right now than a coach.
By Kaladonis
October 19, 2007 12:42 PM | Link to this
I think Engstrom is fine after the cheapshot. He played in the 3rd period and almost had a powerplay goal (I though he rang the post again from the right point).
Hope can be a terrible, terrible thing. I hope it won’t be though.
GO THRASHERS
By russian
October 19, 2007 12:48 PM | Link to this
I think that Quinn is too old and he played as old NHL. I will not be very happy if he come here. It is same situation with Soviet Union head coach Victor Tichonov. He was great, won lot of trophies, but hocket has been changed and he is out of Busness. No way for Quinn. I am thinking about Mike Sullivan. He might be OK with Thrash.
By Brian
October 19, 2007 12:52 PM | Link to this
JayBird - you answered your own question. The reason I don’t want the word baby is because it can be interpreted as you say as “a derrogatory term used to question their manhood or attitude.”
ranollo (& PuckedUp) - Let me say right now that I am NOT on the Pat Quinn for coach bandwagon. However, I disagree with your statement that he only won with deep pocketed teams. That ‘94 Canucks team had 1 superstar on it - Pavel Bure, then maybe who, Kirk Maclean or Trevor Linden??? (btw, if Pat Quinn = Joe Torre, then Pavel Bure ‘94 = Ilya Kovulchuk ‘07). As for his dropoff post lockout, have you seen the Leafs roster post lockout? Don’t blame him for an aging Sundin when Darcy Tucker is the next best scoring option. This Thrasher team has far more potential than the Leafs the last couple years. We have 3 great scorers and a load of rookies on the way up, they had an over the hill Alexander Mogilny.
However, I do like the idea that he was a former Flames captain. As a matter of fact, I would immediately be on the Pat Quinn for coach bandwagon if on his first night coaching in Philips, he yelled right after the National Anthem We were called the Flames you jack@sses, not the Knights!!!
By Rawhide
October 19, 2007 12:58 PM | Link to this
MEHOFF - Excellent point. This is one of the reasons I put Quinn at the top of the list. With as much talk in these parts about DW being “next”,…..wouldn’t Quinn, in essence, be a 2 for 1 hire??? But, alas, who in there right mind would knowingly hire the man who would replace you.
I will state for the record that I would be very suprised if Pat Quinn is tapped for the job, but he is worthy of discussion.
Moving right long:
Russian brings up Mike Sullivan. I actually had him number 3 on the list, but since his name is mentioned, what the hey?
Sullivan began coaching professional hockey during the 2002-2003 season, when he became the head coach of the Providence Bruins of the AHL. In his only season, his team had a 41-17-9-4 record.
He was hired as head coach by the Boston Bruins in 2003 by then-general manager Mike O’Connell and was subsequently fired by incoming general manager Peter Chiarelli on 27 June 2006. A wildly unpopular decision based on fan reaction. On May 31, 2007, he was named assistant coach of the Tampa Bay Lightning. He has also served as an assistant coach of the U.S. Olympic hockey team.
OK, run with that…………
By Sara
October 19, 2007 1:07 PM | Link to this
Man what a game last night. Fantastic - so glad I recorded it to watch again and again and again. Scoring, fast action, big ol’ XLB check, ticked off Rangers, tight exciting finish - whoot! Hope like heck that isn’t the last time this season I see a game like that.
Various other random thoughts ~ the AJC poll today really should have had a fourth option - winning last night proves nothing. I agreed with firing BH but still know that the true test for this team is how it is performing a month from now under DW/new coach to be named later.
It was also nice to look at the standings today and realize it isn’t completely hopeless (I had previously refused to go look at them until we won a game - I mean what would have been the point?). We’re only 7 back from the division-leading Canes - we lost a ten-point lead last year during the second half alone so surely we can make up that difference with most of a season left.
Another issue I’ve noticed - so many people (locally and in the media) are focused on this whole “canning a coach six games into the season” - it AMAZES me that so many people (and supposed “experts”) just totally missed the virtual implosion this team went through late last season. I refer back to that 10 point cushion we blew as exhibit A. Crappy PP and PK are exhibits B and C. This was building up from way back, built higher after the sweep in the playoffs, and finally caved in on Hartley’s head after the 0-6 start. All arguments/disagreements about Waddell’s role aside, Hartley dropped the ball long ago. He has been given more than enough talent to work with (whether it could be better talent aside) and no matter how bad the “talent” may be, a coach should always be able to at least get the players playing hard and doing the right things some of the time - whereas this team barely seemed to do something right any of the time.
One last other thought - I’ve seen comments made a few places about how the players are to blame for this (definitely partially true). However, some people are trying to totally lambast the players for allegedly “laying down to get Hartley fired.” I don’t care how much money you make or how “professional” you are supposed to be. If you don’t believe in the system or set of core values, etc. that your organization is putting forth, it becomes more difficult to put forth all that extra effort - particularly when you cannot yet see a light at the end of the tunnel. These players aren’t stupid - they knew the PP “system” stunk, as an example, but what are they supposed to do - make up their own system and go run it right under the coach’s nose? Nope.
And you know what, if Holik had the guts to tell Don to his face that there were problems with Hartley then good for him. That isn’t being disloyal - because Holik’s loyalty is to the TEAM - not just the coach. And if the coach is proving to be an impediment to the good of the team, than the coach gets thrown under the bus. Especially if that is the majority opinion in the lockerroom (which any GM needs to know). I’m totally ok with what Holik did - maybe Don should have taken him more seriously earlier, instead letting the season start with Hartley and a 6-game losing streak.
By Brian
October 19, 2007 1:12 PM | Link to this
Rawhide - this is how I rate the pros (no cons for right now) of the various candidates.
Pat Quinn - best available “big name” coach out there, as long as Scotty Bowman stays retired. Former Flames captain that will link to Atlanta’s true hockey tradition, fans forget there was ever an IHL team here and stop yelling “night” during national anthem.
Mike Sullivan - some head coaching experience at NHL level, although not so much that he is your Mike Keenan type retread.
John Anderson (& Randy Cunneyworth) - the “next big thing” type coach, coming up from the minors to get his chance. Since Anderson is from our own organization, he gets the nod over Cunneyworth, although shouldn’t we also want a good coach down there to develop talent…
By Brian
October 19, 2007 1:18 PM | Link to this
I’ll throw one more out there…
Barry Melrose - previous NHL head coach in Cup Finals, instant marketing niche, has fan credibility for having the ESPN exposure, would get us plenty of highlights on SportsCenter and free advertising.
By ranallo10
October 19, 2007 1:19 PM | Link to this
Brian — Why are we talking about 1994? That was, correct me if I’m wrong, two CBAs ago. The only relevance to the team now is his production in 2005-2006 (his only season in the “new” NHL). I am personally not impressed with his ability to coach a team to 90 points, fourth in his division, and completely missing the playoffs. Word on the street is that he’s a spitting image of Hartley’s style of coaching, which worked for 3.5 years of his 4 year tenure.
Sara — Well put. I couldn’t have said it even close to as well as you just did.
Rollin Rollin Rollin… — Sullivan is a much better idea in my opinion. He’s “fresh blood” for being an NHL head coach, has a coaching history with Waddell, and from what I heard he was well liked in Boston prior to his departure.
As of right now, Sullivan is my number two choice behind John Anderson (but Sullivan is picking up steam in my mind).
By B. Thenet
October 19, 2007 1:23 PM | Link to this
Quinn= No Hossa
Hossa accidentally hit Bryan Berard in the eye with the follow-through on a shot. Of course many of you know he was out of hockey for a year or two, and has never been the same player since that eye injury. Hossa was very upset over the incident and apologized to Berard in the hospital.
Well Pat Quinn would bring up that hit every time the Leafs would play the Senators. Using it to needle Hossa in the press, to motivate his team, etc.
There is NO WAY that Hossa would stay to play with Quinn, none.
I personally don’t like Quinn as an option, I know we likely will not have Hossa around next year, just wanted to bring the situation to your attention.
By Brian
October 19, 2007 1:29 PM | Link to this
ranollo - the reason I mention 1994 is because you said he only won with deep pocketed teams. I will admit Toronto did spend more than the Rangers at times, but before he was with Toronto he had a medium budget team with 1 superstar that he did well with, so your statement about deep pocketed teams is wrong. Again, I am not on the Pat Quinn bandwagon…
By ranallo10
October 19, 2007 1:35 PM | Link to this
Torre coached for what team before becoming the deep pocket legend of the New York Yankees?? They have to start somewhere.
Case rested. Thank you, thank you. No autographs at this time.
By FormerIslesFan
October 19, 2007 1:37 PM | Link to this
I agree entirely with B.Thenet on that one. Everything that I read regarding the Hossa/Berard incident pointed to Quinn not being a fan of Hossa’s whatsoever and signing Quinn would be tatamount to kissing Hossa goodbye.
Also, although I saw Quinn’s quotes that he found the Atlanta position “interesting” I find it hard to believe that he would want to come into a situation where he did not hold the GM reigns as well.
Without the possibilities of a big name coach out there, I think we need to be looking to a “new thinker,” someone who really “gets” the “new” system and the style of play the players are now allowed to play. I put my vote in for Anderson in a previous post and so far I think that is best, but I must admit, that I had forgotten about Sullivan. He is picking up steam in my book as well.
Brian - is Melrose even an option? All mullet jokes aside, has he even given an indication that he wants to get back behind the bench?
By Rawhide
October 19, 2007 1:39 PM | Link to this
I would immediately be on the Pat Quinn for coach bandwagon if on his first night coaching in Philips, he yelled right after the National Anthem We were called the Flames you jack@sses, not the Knights!!!
And who would be suprised if he did just that? Not me.
A side note for all of us anti-yell-KNIGHTS types. Here is a thought on how to nullify the practice.
If EVERYONE in the arena,…and I mean EVERYONE, sang the ENTIRE National Anthem at the top of their lungs,… then when the word “night” came around,……no one would notice.
Not an easy task, I know. But as the season progressed and all who wanted the yelling of KIGHTS to cease and dissist would get everyone in their section to do it,…it might just catch on.
Just a thought.
By Brian
October 19, 2007 1:44 PM | Link to this
ranollo - oh please, the team Joe Torre started with wasn’t over .500, Pat Quinn took 2 different teams to the Cup Finals before he hit the deep pockets of Toronto…
By Brian
October 19, 2007 1:50 PM | Link to this
FormerIslesFan - it was said there are about 30 candidates who expressed interest, and I am sure if you asked Melrose would at least qualify as “being interested”. I also thought I saw his name in another article.
I was pointing out the big names and the pros. You have to admit that his exposure would mean something in a city like Atlanta (vs. say Philly or Montreal), the casual NASCAR fan or SEC football fan who watches SportsCenter already knows the guy. Is that a reason to hire him? NO. But is it worth mentioning? Yes.
By Brendan
October 19, 2007 1:51 PM | Link to this
Sara, excellent post. If I could add anything, it would be that I think Hartley lost the room. I don’t think the players “laid down” on Hartley so much as they just weren’t “inspired” by him anymore. Waddell called that, “Not getting the most out of his veterans.” And he was right.
Some will say that Waddell “sacrificed” Hartley to save himself, or “to break his fall.” While there could be some truth to that, the larger point is … something had to be done.
True or not? The team had lost 10 games in a row. Tom Renney “outcoached” Bob Hartley during the home playoff games. That shouldn’t happen when Atlanta possesses the final line change. And, let’s face it, this team started to flounder in mid-January. Hartley’s “systems” just weren’t working anymore, especially the PP and PK approaches.
Let me now change the topic a little. Who’s better: Don Waddel the GM or Don Waddell the Coach? Don Waddell “the coach” has a .500 record. Don Waddell the GM does not. Discuss. Please reference things like “inadequate sampling” and things like … “well, if Waddell’s office used to be down the hall, or on another floor, but suddenly, he decided to “camp out” at your work station … how your job performance might improve.
By ranallo10
October 19, 2007 1:56 PM | Link to this
Brian — I thought I said “case rested”, what’s your problem??? Doesn’t that end the discussion with me the ultimate victor??
Anti-KNIGHTS — Did everyone notice how when the attendance dropped after the 0-everything start, the number of “KNIGHTS” yellers also dropped? Even more interesting is that the number of “goalie goalie goalie you suck” dropped tremendously as well, almost as if those people are one in the same.
And what’s even MORE interesting is that the games were more enjoyable without those people, even though the team wasn’t performing up to par.
So in conclusion, winning brings fans to the arena that yell annoyingly, while losing makes the arena a much more enjoyable atmosphere (except for the on ice product).
Maybe I’m all for a losing season this year, it’s a tough call thinking about it in that light.
By ssiscribe
October 19, 2007 2:01 PM | Link to this
Rawhide, thanks much for the welcome. Been reading the blogs for quite some time now … wish the Braves’ fan blog would be updated more than once every three months, but that’s another story. You’re doing a great job on this one.
Now, new coach: Quinn is indeed a link to the 1970s, when the Flames were filling up the Omni and at least making the playoffs each year. I’m just a little concerned if he’s suited for the faster, smaller “new NHL.”
Anderson has done a great job in Chicago. I think there are worse ways to go than promoting him to the big-league team. The youngsters certainly know him, and it’s hard to argue with the results he’s had in the IHL.
I watched a good bit of last night’s game, and the team wearing blue looked totally different from the team that’s been wearing that jersey all season and, for that matter, the team that wore it last April. The Thrashers didn’t play tentative. They skated hard. They were physical when they needed to be. Unlike in the playoffs last year (when I think they focused on being physical, instead of just playing), last night they used their speed to their advantage and pushed the physical aspect of play when they needed to do so.
This team isn’t going to beat anybody up physically night-in, night-out. It’s built to be quick, to take advantage of turnovers in the neutral zone to spark Kovy, Dupris, Hoss, etc. Last night we really saw that speed get unleashed on a sustained basis for really the first time this season (maybe the second period of the Devils’ game comes close, but that only was about 10-12 minutes of really good play).
Need to win Saturday night to get the trip started on the right foot, and need to continue the momentum. There’s still plenty of time; starting with the final game of the trip (also in Tampa), the Thrashers have an eight-game stretch against Southeast Division teams that carries them to Thanksgiving.
I think by then, we’ll really know if this team is going to be in the mix for a division title, or if it’s playing for the eighth spot in the East.
The Scribe abides.
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By Brian
October 19, 2007 2:03 PM | Link to this
I thought I said “case rested”, what’s your problem??? Doesn’t that end the discussion with me the ultimate victor??
Um, I thought I was talking to ranollo, not Bob…
Now as for the dropoff in night-yelling fans - I didn’t go last night, but even as I watched the game on tv I thought I heard them yelling at Lundqvist (3x, you suck). If I had to choose between that or a loosing season, I am sorry ranollo, but I don’t want them gone that badly…
By FormerIslesFan
October 19, 2007 2:03 PM | Link to this
Brian and RH
Okay, you ask, you got it. Here is ESPN’s [Scott Burnside’s take] (http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/columns/story?columnist=burnside_scott&id=3068349) on who are the “likely” candidates.
By Bob
October 19, 2007 2:08 PM | Link to this
Don Waddel the GM or Don Waddell the Coach? Don Waddell “the coach” has a .500 record.
I vote for Don Waddell the golfer, but that’s just me.
Don’s only games came after he fired Fraser and now one game after canning Hartley. His record is moot as 1/2 the games are within the standard 5 game bounce period.
However, I would certainly endorse having Waddell stay as coach if they bring in a GM now, instead of a coach. But that’s not going to happen.
I do have to say that he had some fire on that bench last night, that was great to see.
I just don’t think there’s any way a competent coach comes in here under Waddell right now, seeing how he’s a lame duck. We’ll probably wind up with some assistant that wants a shot or an AHL guy that wants a shot at the bigs. And what the heck, give one of them a shot, why not?
By Brendan
October 19, 2007 2:52 PM | Link to this
I want Waddell behind the bench from now ‘til the end of the season. We’ll go from there!
By Rawhide
October 19, 2007 2:52 PM | Link to this
OK, Trixie,….where are my John Anderson notes?????? (Sheeze),….again with the nail file and make-up??…..I don’t care, just copy and past something from the Wolves web site, I don’t care!
Thanks!
Former Toronto Maple Leafs right wing John Anderson has guided the Wolves to three championships in the last eight years ? the Calder Cup in 2002 and the Turner Cup in 1998 and 2000. Anderson is the team?s all-time leader in wins (371) and postseason victories (80). Under his leadership, the Wolves have set several team records, including 55 wins (1997-98); 114 points (1999-2000); 29 home wins (1997-98, 1998-99); 27 road wins (1999-2000); 301 goals (1997-98); and 208 goals-against (2003-04). Since the team joined the American Hockey League in 2001, Anderson has collected more wins (171) than any other coach in the league. Prior to joining the Wolves, the 47-year-old Anderson captured the Colonial Cup as head coach of the Quad City Mallards of the Colonial Hockey League, now the United Hockey League. During the 1996-97 regular season, the Mallards topped the CoIHL in goals (384), assists (682) and points (1,066). Defensively, Quad City allowed the second-fewest goals in the league (245). Anderson began his coaching career with the Winston-Salem Mammoths in 1995-96, leading them to the Southern Hockey League Finals and a 30-23-7 regular-season record. Toronto?s first pick (11th overall) in the 1977 amateur draft, Anderson played 12 seasons in the National Hockey League with the Maple Leafs (1977-1985); Quebec Nordiques (1985-86); and Hartford Whalers (1986-1989). The Toronto native registered five 30-goal campaigns in the NHL, including four straight from 1981 to 1985. Anderson?s most productive offensive season came in 1982-83, when he paced Toronto with 80 points in 80 games. Currently, Anderson ranks 14th in Maple Leafs history with 189 goals and 19th with 393 points. He is also third among Toronto right wings for assists in a season with 49 in 1982-83. Overall, Anderson amassed 282 goals and 631 points in 814 career NHL games along with nine goals and 27 points in 37 career Stanley Cup Playoff contests. Anderson played three years in the International Hockey League with the Fort Wayne Komets (1990-91) and San Diego Gulls (1992-1994). As a player/assistant coach with the Gulls, Anderson helped propel the club to an IHL-record 62 wins and a berth in the 1993 Turner Cup Finals. Two years earlier, he tallied 40 goals and 83 points in 63 games to help the Komets reach the 1991 Turner Cup Finals. Overall, Anderson compiled 115 goals and 211 points in 200 career IHL games. With the American Hockey League?s New Haven Nighthawks in 1991-92, Anderson became the oldest player to win the AHL?s Most Valuable Player award at age 35. That season, he notched 41 goals and 95 points in 68 games, while capturing the league?s Sportsmanship Award and earning a spot on the AHL First All-Star Team. Anderson resides in the Western suburbs with his wife Karen and three children: Jacob, Spencer and Hannah.
Ok folks,……John Anderson is currenty up for review….
By ssiscribe
October 19, 2007 2:57 PM | Link to this
And the goaltender Anderson has been coaching in Chicago heads south.
Lehtonen on IR. Pavelec promoted from Chicago to Atlanta.
I’m really excited to see Pavelec play in an NHL game that counts. He had a good preseason and was off to a good start with the Wolves. Let’s see what the kid can do up here.
I have a lot of faith in Moose. I think he’ll help stabilize things. But I want to see Pavelec get a chance at some point on the road trip.
My vote’s for Anderson, but what do I know … earlier, I said IHL when I meant AHL, and most of you good people on here have forgotten more hockey than I’ll ever remember!
The Scribe abides.
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By Rawhide
October 19, 2007 3:06 PM | Link to this
Hmmmm,…I think Pavelec will get a shot to start, spelling Moose on at least one game during the upcoming road trip.
Maybe, I don’t know, on October 27th in….Chicago?
By Brian
October 19, 2007 3:08 PM | Link to this
FormerIslesFan - thanks for the link. The only problem with reading that article is that it has left me even more perplexed as to who might be next. All I know is that it is going to get interesting around here.
Brendan - do you really want him there? Is that because you think he would be that good or because you think it will get him out quicker? I am curious at that statement you made, do tell…
By Brendan
October 19, 2007 3:10 PM | Link to this
I’d say … make Waddell stay behind the bench for the rest of the year. It makes total sense. It won’t cost the Thrashers any salary to keep Waddell right there, parked behind the men whose contracts he controls.
That’s one way to get a better product. Look over their shoulder after every shift. The buffer zone from the rafters just got a lot closer.
By Brian
October 19, 2007 3:26 PM | Link to this
Brendan - that was the exact logic I used when I said they wouldn’t fire BH, why pay two coaches this year when you are already paying one. The problem is, DW was never hired to coach, and if they want to salvage anything from the remaining 76 (now 75) games, wouldn’t one of the candidates we mentioned do a better job?
ssiscribe - AHL or IHL, it’s all AAA to us…
Glad to see Pavelec come up. Can you imagine if he has a Cam Ward type playoffs or Hextall/Roy type rookie year? I personally like a Barasso reference here…
By Brendan
October 19, 2007 3:28 PM | Link to this
Brian, I want Waddell there because I think it makes the most sense for the direction of the franchise.
Who is going to get better results out of this roster than the man who “hand-picked” it? This is his chance to put his “vision” into play. He’s the guy who writes their contracts, decides if they get put on waivers, decides if they get traded, decides if they should go back down to the minors, etc. And what’s more, it doesn’t cost the team any more salary to have Waddell there. Whereas, hiring someone new will add salary to the payroll.
If Waddell behind the bench results in 50 wins out of these 76-games, who can argue with that? That’s a playoff berth, for sure! If the “worst” should happen, then the ownership can do what they feel is best with the Coach and GM positions.
By Sara
October 19, 2007 3:49 PM | Link to this
To further expound on Brendan’s point, or at least add another reason…
While there seems to be much interest in the job right now, there is no guarantee of what quality those choices might be. If you wait until the off-season to select a coach, it gives DW (or other GM) more options - other teams’ assistants who aren’t forbidden from interviewing during the off-season, other head coaches who might get fired this year, who knows. Plus then there is time to re-tool if possibly the new coach wants to change a few things to make a system work. Additionally, the coach has more time to prepare for a season through the off-season and pre-season - versus a coach coming in right now and trying to salvage what we have.
Besides - this is Don’s ship I think to sink or float. If he can make them successful, he gets to keep his job, pick a new coach, and keep on truckin’. If this season joins the Titanic, Don spends his summer drafting new resumes instead of hockey players.
I like it - good idea Brendan. :D
By Bob
October 19, 2007 3:50 PM | Link to this
I want Waddell behind the bench from now ‘til the end of the season. We’ll go from there!
That’s the best move right there, get er done.
By puck
October 19, 2007 4:11 PM | Link to this
Appears the players had been sandbagging to get rid of Coach Hartley
By Brendan
October 19, 2007 4:53 PM | Link to this
Thank you, Sara. By the way, your post on the other blog was great. There’s been very good feedback to it. Though you’ve touched on some of those points here, as well.
Man, it’s gettin’ tough to keep up with all these blogs! But, it’s also nice to see the “passion” that we all knew was out there, while the naysayers were saying, “This is not a hockey town.” Well, for a non-hockey town, Schultz, Bradley, and Custance’s recent blogs have generated over 600 posts in the last 48 hours or so. I think that’s clear evidence that the Hartley firing “stirred the masses.”
These next 6-8 weeks are really going to tell the tale of this franchise. Will it sink or swim? We’re at the crossroads of a potential last place finish and a playoff berth. Either is still possible at this juncture. I think this is what Ranallo was alluding to earlier. Do you root for failure just to ensure Waddell’s departure? Or, do you root for the team to win and make the playoffs, even though that means Waddell could very well remain on at the GM position, as contracts of aging, overpaid veterans expire this summer?
It issss a “thinker” whether you are a Waddell-hater or not. If you’ve seen enough of Don Waddell to know he’s not the right guy to make personnel decisions, and the prospect of him still being installed as GM at this Summer’s Drart scares you to death, then you just might find yourself rooting for the team’s demise.
If you are of the persuasion that if the Thrashers actually make the playoffs, this reflects 3-straight competitive seasons, filled with excitement. And you maybe like Waddell to remain on, because you feel he’s doing a “good job.”
Of course, this doesn’t take into account all the scenarios. Atlanta could make a good effort at the playoffs, but fall 4-5 points short. As far as draft position goes, that’s somewhere between 8th-15th overall, depending on exactly where other teams finish and lottery results. I’m sure that, if Atlanta had to miss the playoffs, we’d all rather be able to draft a little higher than that. Then again, I’m sure someone will argue with me, saying “I’d rather finish 5th from the bottom than 4th from the bottom of the league.” Fiine. Opinions are apt to vary.
By Nix
October 19, 2007 5:14 PM | Link to this
Random question - what is with the “Knight” yelling during the anthem???
By R. Stroz
October 19, 2007 5:33 PM | Link to this
Although I’m not a DW fan, I’d would prefer that the team play well, make the playoffs, and win in the playoffs.
In such a case, I’ll gladly eat some chicken and tell everyone it sure did taste like crow.
Rawhide - Anthem update: Several weeks back, I said everyone should take off their caps, place their hand over their heart, and sing with pride, even if their voice wasn’t particularly good. Immediately following the anthem, everyone starts the “Let Go Thrashers” chant.
By R. Stroz
October 19, 2007 5:43 PM | Link to this
Sara - In reference to Holik going to Waddell, if Holik went to Hartley first, which he may have I don’t know, and the message fell on deaf ears with Hartley, which it may have, and then Holik went to Waddell, that procedure is to be applauded. If Holik went directly to Waddell, I don’t agree with that procedure because it didn’t give Hartley a crack at directly addressing the problem. On the other hand, Hartley did seem to be “hard-headed” at listening to necessary team adjustments.
By Tony C.
October 19, 2007 6:04 PM | Link to this
Pavel Bure ‘94 = #17 ‘03
17 ‘07 is way more responsible/aware of his own end than Bure was in ‘94 (although yes, their system did allow for Bure to cherry-pick).Also, Joe Torre took the Braves to the playoffs (‘83 if memory serves, Dale Murphy & Bob Horner your big hitters, Neikro as #1 pitcher)…not exactly a deep-pockets team. The next time the Braves went to the playoffs was ‘91.
Personally, I wouldn’t mind Sullivan, I think he has the most experience, although his past history with DW isn’t a “plus” in my mind…What type of compensation would the Sabres organization require for Cunneyworth???
About the game-lateperiod/game still a focus challenge, even though the refs did seem to have a different standard for waht constituted a penalty for NYR vs. for ATL.
Didn’t really like to see X turtle-up I realize that fighting wasn’t what was called-for, and if he didn’t think he could tie him up w/out fighting, then ok. But turtling looked pretty bad too. As I wasn’t ther, I’ll give a pass for that. Howabout McCarthy being the one to drop ‘em with Hollweg? Awesome
PP-muuuuuch better! Amazing what happens when you shoot after the 5th pass huh? I would still like to see more shooting-the perfect shot isn’t always there, but rebounds generally are.
PK-Still a challenge area, but looked better, the key for our guys is going to be fast-acting pressure. I wouldn’t mind seeing 3 PK units actually, in order to keep legs fresh. Looked like we switched to the diamond in the 2nd, which makes more sense when you have that many skilled shooters out there that can switch to and from the umbrella and whatever you call the moving-pick thing they were doing.
Defensively, I would like to see X and Klee broken up, although last night they looked better. Enstrom looks like a star-in-the-making. Loved his work in the 1st & 3rd. the PP works lots better with him out there. Havelid looked better, and McCarthy looked good at times. We need to work on clearing the puck especially on the PK. I think it’s great that the guys were thinking about turning it up-ice, but the priority MUST be clearing our zone 1st.
Lots of positives to work off of though. Let’s see how the guys respond to the other Tampa-Two (historically a problem area).
GO BLUE !!!
By Waffleboy
October 19, 2007 6:25 PM | Link to this
Nix-The Knight yelling durin the anthem began during the Atlanta Knight’s tenure in town. They were a minor league team that played in the IHL from 1992-1996, winning the Turner Cup in 1994.
Let’s give John Anderson a shot. His 12 year NHL career give him instant credibility with the vets and he obviously knows how to handle rookies.
By Sara
October 19, 2007 7:25 PM | Link to this
Thanks Brendan - always nice to contribute something of worth.
R. Stroz I get what you’re saying and to a certain degree it makes sense. However, if the sitution was really that Hartley had lost the majority of the team, telling him might not do any good. I’m not sure what adjustments he could have made - especially since adjusting does not seem to be his strong suit. And the story about the conversation between Holik and DW leaves some ambiguity about how it got started and who approached whom. Given that DW also apparently asked Kovy about it over the summer makes me wonder if he wasn’t fishing on his own. Speculation of course.
By R. Stroz
October 19, 2007 9:16 PM | Link to this
Sara - I hadn’t heard about DW speaking with Kovy as well. BH’s unwillingness to alter his system or use a system to fit the team resulted in his job termination. For some reason, BH preferred his one size fits all system.
By ranallo10
October 20, 2007 12:08 AM | Link to this
Tony C. — re: Torre — that was the point. Torre came from a small market team, went to a large market big spender, and instantly transformed into a baseball god in the eyes of New Yorkers (and many other baseball fans/analysts). Without the money of New York, Torre (in my opinion) would be a regular Joe Schmoe. Maybe he would be above average, but definitely not hall of fame worthy (which irks me to say, he is now simply from those 4 titles in 12ish years).
Quinn fits that mold. Above average in Vancouver, “amazing” in Toronto. Small market coach makes name in a big market with a team who have bottomless pockets.
Thus, I feel Quinn is overrated, like Torre.
By Brendan
October 20, 2007 12:22 AM | Link to this
Man, I am watching the Kings-Canucks game. I missed the 1st period. But in the second … all the usual suspects delivered for the Kings. Cammalleri on the PP. Jack Johnson scored his 1st-ever NHL goal. And Alex Frolov added a third goal. Kopitar has assists, of course. Dustin Brown is everywhere. Vishnovsky has been busy. If the Kings ever got a goaltender, they’d be pretty dangerous.
One wonders what Kari might fetch in a trade once he returns to action and improves his numbers a bit. The Kings won’t want to lose players off their roster, but I’d bet they’d part with their 1st and 2nd round picks to solve their goaltending woes for the foreseeable future, with a former 2nd overall pick, who is what?, 24-years old? Trouble is, Kari would probably blossom into his potential with a new venue and a coach like Crawford! D’oh!! (Though, Kari’s already endured one former Avalanche Stanley Cup-winning Coach, serving under another [Marc Crawford] might be ‘deja-vu’ all over again.)
Hey! Psst! If the Kings tanked with Lehtonen and finished close to last, and, likewise, so did the Thrashers … Atlanta might get two (2) picks in the top 5 in this Summer’s draft. Hallucinating … Stamkos and Tavares! Or Stampkos and Doughty! I know, that’s thinking “negatively” about the future of our season and our GM/Coach. Withdrawn.
By the way, the Kings now have to sweat out the final 5:00 minutes as M. Ohlund just scored for Vancouver to close it to 3-2. Good goaltending … ya gotta have it. And the Kings don’t. Their record shows it.
By Matt H
October 20, 2007 1:21 AM | Link to this
Good to see so many posts. Between my new job and the increased volume, it’s hard to keep up.
My first thought when I heard Hartley was axed, was along Brendan’s line of thought. Let Waddell remain, sink or swim, and at the end of the season he’s either exonerated or fired.
However, does he want to coach? Do we want him to coach? Do we trust him?
Well, if things have to get worse before they get better, then so be it. But I’m not a believer in the GM/Coach.
It seems like John Anderson is “the man”. New blood but not inexperienced, young, hungry, a winner, connected to our kids… I mean, come on. He could be our future. We keep lamenting the lack of home-grown talent. We’ve taken steps with the Little Line and Enstrom, that’s working out pretty well. Pavelec is on his way here. It just seems meant to be.
I don’t like the idea of Pat Quinn. It might work, but if I can draw a comparison to the Thrashers’ corps, who would you rather have on your team right now- Ken Klee or Toby Enstrom? I think that’s your answer on the Quinn situation.
I’m a big Craig Ramsay fan. He’s solid defensively, a great teacher/coach and has a softer touch than the Hartley-type. (The special teams slide in Tampa was not his fault). It’d be great if we could poach him from Boston.
But first and foremost, it looks like John Anderson is the man for the job.
Welcome all new posters. Don’t let the Bob/Ranallo wars frighten you, they’re really pussycats…
By Matt H
October 20, 2007 1:26 AM | Link to this
BTW, Tony C, “The other Tampa Two” got a lol… Good show…
By LAC
October 20, 2007 4:29 AM | Link to this
Brenden, getting LA draft picks is of little value.
They NEED a goalie BAD, we have an asset and so do they scoring, so should be a swap of Kari and maybe White/Perrin for one or two of their guys. Plus throw in a high draft pick from us to get a couple would be worth IT !
waddell should remain at the bench for the remainder of the season.
If NOT improvement then THAT right there seals his fate..ie Good-Bye waddell.
Pat Quinn, nice guy, lived on same street in 70’s got a lot of FREE Flames tickets,nice man, but not the coach we need here.
By Brian
October 20, 2007 9:37 AM | Link to this
ranollo - I just don’t see your logic. Pat Quinn took 2 separate teams to the Stanley Cup Finals and you say that qualifies as average. Then he gets to Toronto, wins only 1 division title in 7 years, probably wouldn’t have done that well in the playoffs if he wasn’t playing all those soft Ottawa teams (beat them 4x in 5 years), and that you say qualifies as amazing?
By ranallo10
October 20, 2007 2:22 PM | Link to this
Brian, I’m just saying I don’t feel he’s as good as advertised. He did merely okay with a high priced and talented team, yet people consider him an amazing coach and GM.
I don’t consider him amazing, I consider him above average. He’s no better than Crawford, Dave Lewis, Pat Burns, etc. (once again, in my opinion).
By ranallo10
October 20, 2007 2:25 PM | Link to this
Matt H — meow (that’s putty tat for “welcome back”)
By Tony C.
October 20, 2007 6:36 PM | Link to this
Somebody please find out what Larry Robinson is up to. I wonder if he’d be availible…While he definitely walked into a way better-stocked team in NJ, he did take over a team molded by a noted disciplinarian (Lemaire) and went on to win The Cup in style (remember him wearing Brylin’s sweater during The Cup presentation?).
I don’t think that Hoss/Perrin/Slava and #17/Whitey/Sterling are the equal of “The A Line” (Elias/Arnott/Sykora) and McKay/Gomez/Mogilny, but no doubt about it, there’s some talent there. I wonder if Robinson could come in and work similar magic as he did after taking over from Ftorek?
Plus he’s one of the most successful D-Men in NHL history….something like 8 times his name has been etched in silver as a player and as coach.
GO BLUE !!!
By Brendan
October 20, 2007 6:49 PM | Link to this
It’s difficult to bring in any “big” name while the GM is in “lame duck” status. But I like the way you’re thinking, Tony C.! Robinson would be a great coach. If Waddell doesn’t finish the season behind the bench, I’d have to think it’ll either be Brad McCrimon, a*’t coach, or John Anderson, there in Chicago (AHL).
By Brendan
October 20, 2007 6:53 PM | Link to this
Hockey Night in Canada, Channel #773 on Comcast Cable, “Center Ice,” will be doing a 2nd period Intermission report on Don Waddell behind the bench. Let’s see how bad they slaughter us. Maybe they’ll go easy on us? Ummn, Brendan? That’s Toronto talking. Withdrawn.
By Tony C.
October 20, 2007 7:09 PM | Link to this
Nevermind. Robinson’s still “special assistant” with NJD.
I’m just thinking about guys who have instant credibility walking into the room. Along with others, I believe that Quinn has that credibility, but isn’t the right fit for our guys.
Also, was it me or did Hoss look kind of miffed that no one rushed to congratulate him on his goal the other night? I was watching the replay and it seemed like his expression was kind of “hey what about me?” there for a moment before Slava came by.
Here we go Thrashers!
GO BLUE !!!
By LAC
October 20, 2007 8:21 PM | Link to this
Just have to point out the GLARING problems on defense…
Zit & Havilid were BOTH on the opposite side of the net and this allowed Prospal a rebound of a very weak shot as the rebound just sat there and they were just looking at it !
Then the BAD pass at the end of the period, killed us again, cannot clear and a goal.
Why is it we give up SO MANY goals in the last minute of a period ?
I bet no other team in the league gives up as many as we do, it is Alarming for sure.
The TB crew is again harping on how SMALL we are and it sure does show…
We need some size and toughness for sure… going to be a LONG LONG season if on ice personnel are not changed and changed quickly.
By stendec
October 20, 2007 8:23 PM | Link to this
ANY goalie that consistently gives up late goals does not deserve to be between the pipes. MOOSE DAMN WELL KNOWS THAT! I do not know how the game will pan out tonight but I am peeved after one period. For Moose to allow such a Kari-like whiff softie in the final minute plus is unforgiveable! Hope offense will (can) bail him out.
By stendec
October 20, 2007 8:30 PM | Link to this
It is obvious Thrashers not physically big enough to push people around. Keep hearing about speed. That is only salvation they possess. Hope to see some of it in the next 40 minutes. Team probably has to net four goals for victory. GO BLUE BOYS!
By stendec
October 20, 2007 8:38 PM | Link to this
GAME OVER ONLY SECONDS INTO SECOND PERIOD! Sad.
By stendec
October 20, 2007 8:39 PM | Link to this
GAME OVER ONLY SECONDS INTO SECOND PERIOD! Sad. What speed?
By stendec
October 20, 2007 8:40 PM | Link to this
GAME OVER ONLY SECONDS INTO SECOND PERIOD! Sad. What speed?
By stendec
October 20, 2007 8:45 PM | Link to this
Sorry for multiple posts! Moose would have been better served vacating net on third goal. Minutes, not seconds, into period. Seemed like seconds. MOVE MOOSE MOVE! Make the B+++++D earn the freaking goal! Do not contue to pull Karis. Can ANY Thrasher shooter put a shot on goal? Do these guys not practice accuracy? SHEESH!
By stendec
October 20, 2007 9:03 PM | Link to this
Hedberg has to go! Put new guy in. Moose should be put out to pasture. Talentless as Kari! NO DAMN EXCUSES FOR LATE GOALS! Thrasher fans deserve so much better. Garbage! Time for LSU-Auburn. See ya!
By LAC
October 20, 2007 9:07 PM | Link to this
Well 5-1 Tampa… Guess the Rangers game was a FLUKE…
This team is BAD, Mellenby on CBC even said Hossa will NOT stay in Atlanta because they did not go out and get a NUMBER #1 Center, and the UFA signings were not very good by Atlanta and all agreed…
If we do get the number #1 pick, I have to wonder how many 4th and 5th rounders waddell will trade it for since he always likes to trade down.
This Franchise had better get some new players in here and here NOW, this is SICK to watch.
28 & 77 have to be let go, they are washed up no question.
White/Holik/Perrin/Slater have to go ASAP and Slava better WAKE up and WAKE up NOW !
In the morning we will be so far out of it in the standings it will make the expansion year look glorious !
By Rawhide
October 20, 2007 9:45 PM | Link to this
OK, I got this figured out.
Both our goals were scored while in the middle of in-game interviews, (DW on Kovy’s goal, Coach Weeks on Sterlings),…..so, Sports South should just run about 9 or 10 interviews per period.
Offensive production problem solved!
By stendec
October 20, 2007 9:55 PM | Link to this
Hossa is not that damn good! Should have scored late.
By Matt H
October 20, 2007 9:57 PM | Link to this
Again, ugh.
By stendec
October 20, 2007 10:08 PM | Link to this
Speed. Tampa rolls! Speed. Two goals scored! Speed. Chasing foes all night! Speed. Goalies loose as party girls at conventions! Speed. Maybe 10 percent of Thrasher shots accurate! Speed. What F+++++G SPEED? The kind drug addicts refer to? No fans have seen ANY to date. Another embarrassment!
By Brendan
October 21, 2007 12:06 AM | Link to this
LAC, I put the Mellanby quotes on Custance’s blog. Very frank comments by Mellanby. Not very positive. But Mellanby’s sentiments were “heart-felt” and genuine. He also described the nature of the ownership debacle to the HNIC audience, who is probably largely unaware of off the ice issues in Georgia. Why would they care? Unless they plan on raiding our talent.
Grapes went off on Mats Sundin killing penalties. Basically, Cherry only wants to see it happen in when the Leafs are down a goal, late in the 3rd period, in hopes of landing a “shorty.” Don Cherry accused Sundin of being unwilling to block any shot on a PK.
By LAC
October 21, 2007 5:45 AM | Link to this
Brenden, You are AGAIN correct !
This is a MESS here and until we have SWEEPING changes, New Coach, NEW GM, and even NEW owners,I look for playing on the Cheap which seems to be this teams M.O.
If the Rangers can go out and get those guys why can’t The Atlanta Thrashers ?
The lockout changed everything so that, ALL teams would be playing on a level playing field in terms of aquiring players… We let Savard go, no good siginings last season and even worse this season,let’s face it as Mellenby said, “Todd White is NOT a number #1 center.”
Which goes right back to waddell, it is REALLY time the owners face facts and dump the idiot… Watching this team last night really stinks !
By erock
October 21, 2007 10:21 AM | Link to this
where is boris valabik? bolton…thorburn….getting down by 2 goals and have nobody on the ice to mix it up and try to get back momentum!!!! we have a team full of pus#$#$#
By Adam
October 21, 2007 3:19 PM | Link to this
I’ll say it again. Mellanby should be hired as the new GM.
By Brendan
October 21, 2007 5:19 PM | Link to this
Adam, check out Custance’s blog “Pavelec on his way to Atlanta.” I put down Mellanby’s quote from Hockey Night in Canada, “word-for-word.” It is candid. It is frank. And it was not meant to advance any sort of agenda. This was Mellanby speaking from his heart.