Thrashers

By Alan

July 28, 2008 4:36 PM | Link to this

Good to see you back, Mike! I hope you enjoyed your vacation, because us fans can be quite a handful - especially once the season starts.

Just a little forewarning. :)

I like the signings we made, but there’s got to be a trade or two we’re knee-deep in, given the fact there are currently four teams over the salary cap, and we’re in need of killing off about $2m of cap space to get over the floor line.

I’m just wondering which of the four (Flyers, Blackhawks, Flames, or Ducks) trades first. The only other teams below the floor are the Coyotes ($38.59m) and the Kings ($27.75m), just for the sake of reference.

By kracker

July 28, 2008 4:42 PM | Link to this

Welcome back, Mike!! We’re still assessing the state of the team and expecting more personnel changes. Some of us are hopeful and some…..rudely aren’t.

What do you hear of any deals? Or of Nikulin getting inked?

By GaVaHokie

July 28, 2008 4:42 PM | Link to this

Welcome back! Hope you enjoyed your time off! You’ve got a lot of interviews to do :)

I’d like to hear from our new Assistant Coaches, Marty Reasoner, Jason Williams… oh and some Nikulin updates.

Back to work!!! :) Just kidding… sorta.

By Bob

July 28, 2008 5:09 PM | Link to this

Perfect time for a hockey writer to take off, absolutely nothing newsworthy happening.

I like hearing Anderson parroting Waddell already in talking about a trade, has he used the term “absolutely” yet? How about “we’ve felt all along…”

Don, did you expect Toby Enstrom to have the first year that he did

Absolutely, we felt all along since the day we drafted him that he was capable of this level of play

lol

By Mike Knobler

July 28, 2008 5:18 PM | Link to this

Good to be back. I’ll see about getting with the assistant coaches and with Reasoner. Will check on Nikulin, though the fact it hasn’t happened yet probably isn’t a good sign.

I expect to blog at least once a week, maybe more, until camp opens.

By Thrasher_Ed

July 28, 2008 5:28 PM | Link to this

Mike, Welcome back as well, That’s a lot of built up vacation dude! Glad to know you used it all up. It would also be interesting to get some update on Bogosian’s contract status. It would appear he will most likely wear #4 this year, it has been his number in Junior and nobody hear wears it. Also noticed Colby Armstrong switched to #20. Wonder if Marty Reasoner made him an offer he could not refuse? Maybe J. Williams can get his number when Larsen gets cut?

By David

July 28, 2008 5:31 PM | Link to this

Welcome back Mike. Not to ask too much of you, but do you think you could find contract details of the guys we’ve signed this offseason? Thanks man.

By kracker

July 28, 2008 5:46 PM | Link to this

Great quote by JA: “[Arturs] Kulda made an unbelievable pass right through his own goal line all the way to the far blue line. It landed right on [Krog’s] stick,” Anderson said.

Depth at D is getting a lot better.

By Mike Knobler

July 28, 2008 6:41 PM | Link to this

David I think I’ve had terms of all the key signings the day the signing occurred, with the exception of Kari, who reportedly got $3 million, and Reasoner, who reportedly got $1 million.

By ranallo10 (in AT)

July 28, 2008 7:38 PM | Link to this

Thrasher_Ed — Armstrong wore #20 in Pittsburgh, and Rucchin was still on the roster upon his arrival. I assume Rucchin’s departure to free agency has more to do with the uniform change than Reasoner’s signing. However, the number change does conveniently open up Reasoner’s #19 that he wore in Edmonton.

Christensen was #16 in Pittsburgh, so perhaps he might be changing numbers now that Holik is gone? I assume we’d have already seen that happen though, perhaps he will stick with #9 instead.

I don’t think Larsen will be cut, and personally expect Williams to take a different number (though he’s been #29 since Detroit).

By Bob

July 28, 2008 7:47 PM | Link to this

Depth at D is getting a lot better

I remember watching the pass from Kulda when it happened, the announcers keyed on it also and kept replaying it. It was a very, very sweet home run type pass. Kind of made me go, hmmm, about Kulda. He’s not ready yet, but a guy to watch.

By ben

July 28, 2008 7:51 PM | Link to this

We should give away Hossa’s number 18 to Bogo. That way it’ll help us fans get past Hossa.

By David

July 28, 2008 8:17 PM | Link to this

Thanks Mike, those were the two i was curious about. That still puts us under the cap floor doesn’t it?

By Brendan

July 28, 2008 10:06 PM | Link to this

Welcome back, Mike Knobler. There’s nothing wrong with taking a vacation. Take ‘em while you can, I always say.

It’s not like you took off from June 20th to July 4, and missed the draft and Free Agent Frenzy. This was as good a time as any to be off. We’re glad to have you back.

By Fred

July 29, 2008 6:34 AM | Link to this

I really hope there is some grand plan for this year, I would love toget excited about this upcoming season, but what reason do I really have over the past 5 years?/

By Jim

July 29, 2008 7:33 AM | Link to this

Let the games begin. We have improved the D and in the goal tending trio, we have the best set in the league. The salary cap and FA system have produced a decent parity in the NHL and no team other than Detroit seems to dominate. Time for optimism. Drop that puck!

By B. Thenet

July 29, 2008 8:28 AM | Link to this

Nikulin’s team in Russia doesn’t expect him to be on the roster from what I have read. I suspect that Nikulin’s signing will be announced within a week or so.

By Bob

July 29, 2008 9:13 AM | Link to this

I suspect that Nikulin’s signing will be announced within a week or so

I think you are right. We only have 6 dmen signed, counting Valabik, so they’re leaving a slot open for someone, it’s got to be Nikulin. It’ll be real nice to see the kid finally, what year did they draft him? Wasn’t it like 2000 or something?

By Russian

July 29, 2008 9:14 AM | Link to this

Latest news about Nikulin from Kazan Russia 7/28/2008 Ak Bars started to practices. They did on ice and off ice tranning. Nikulin practice with a team, but his color is white. He is playing in 4th line of D-men. Usually he played on First line.Head Coach said that he wanted to see Nikulin in Kazan’s roster, but if Atlanta will sing him to final roster, he is not going to stop him. I hope we are goign to see him soon.

By ice dog

July 29, 2008 9:26 AM | Link to this

Ya know after reading this blog this morning I kinda think that some of the negative bloggers should speak more. But not the same thing over and over again. But new stuff. That’s cuz I like the fact that someone held them accountable the same way they claim to hold don wad accountable. Then the guy bob justifies his bad prediction by saying “but I was right about hossa leaving” Give me a break you guys make fun of don wad because he can’t make a draft pick outside of heatley or kovalchuk but then your big prediction is saying hossa is going to leave the team. That took a whole lot of balls to make that one. lol. no lmao.

By GaVaHokie

July 29, 2008 9:48 AM | Link to this

It’ll be real nice to see the kid finally, what year did they draft him? Wasn’t it like 2000 or something?

He’s 26 years old now, not sure that constitutes a “kid” anymore. :)

Good to see these draft picks pan out, even if it took awhile to get them where they need to be… it’s not always a case of them “sucking”.

By kracker

July 29, 2008 10:12 AM | Link to this

I guess that is good news, Russian. Nikulin should be practicing as first pair if he is were going to be on the team, yes? Fourth pair white jersey sounds like he is just getting in shape with the team by doing practice drills.

By paul

July 29, 2008 10:15 AM | Link to this

You are going to like Jason Williams. He is a plus for the power play and has been good on shootouts. When he was with the Wings he was always used as a shooter on shootouts. The hawks would have kept him but had to sacrifice him due to cap room.

By GaVaHokie

July 29, 2008 10:47 AM | Link to this

Fourth pair white jersey sounds like he is just getting in shape with the team by doing practice drills.

I wonder if it has “Property of Atlanta” printed on it?

By kracker

July 29, 2008 10:48 AM | Link to this

So Paul the Hawks sign Campbell and the Thrash sign Hsinsey and Williams. I’ll take that and be happy.

By Bob

July 29, 2008 10:54 AM | Link to this

That’s cuz I like the fact that someone held them accountable

Yeah right. You’re a maroon hiding behind all these names. You cherry pick one thing over a year, I make predictions on here all the time and predicting Hossa was out of here was like predicting the sun will come up tomorrow (even though the majority of the bloggers here didn’t think he was out of here and the usual suspect cheerleaders all were sure Waddell would be able to re-sign him).

Here’s a new prediction that is just going way out on a limb here, you’ll come up with other lame new blogger names to try to justify yourself. Face the facts, Sparky, you were wrong all last year , cherry picking one comment about Enstrom doesn’t change the major point that Waddell is the problem here and as long as he stays, this is all just p** in the wind, as nothing else material will change in the success of this club.

You are going to like Jason Williams. He is a plus for the power play and has been good on shootouts

I think he’ll be a good addition for the club, did he play on the first line for the Hawks or the 2nd line? 1st PP unit or 2nd?

By GaVaHokie

July 29, 2008 10:57 AM | Link to this

Shall we have another look at Nikulin? I’m getting a lot more hopeful. This guy is going to be great in an Anderson-style offense. Keep in mind these are not just Ak Bars highlights… anytime you see him in Red, it’s a World Championship game against NHLers.

By NASCAR Dave

July 29, 2008 10:57 AM | Link to this

Good to see these draft picks pan out, even if it took awhile to get them where they need to be… it’s not always a case of them “sucking”.

It’s usually not a case of them “sucking”, HOKIE… More often than not, it’s a case of Donnie FRAUDell holding them down in the Minors TOO LONG while washed up veterans like LARSEN, KLEE, ZHIT, WHITW & others clog up all the roster spots…

WHY is THAT???

By Bob

July 29, 2008 10:58 AM | Link to this

the Hawks sign Campbell and the Thrash sign Hsinsey and Williams. I’ll take that and be happy

What the heck does one have to do with the other and why are you comparing it? Does it make you feel better about losing out on Campbell? That’s just plain goofy.

By NASCAR Dave

July 29, 2008 10:58 AM | Link to this

Good to see these draft picks pan out, even if it took awhile to get them where they need to be… it’s not always a case of them “sucking”.

It’s usually not a case of them “sucking”, HOKIE… More often than not, it’s a case of Donnie FRAUDell holding them down in the Minors TOO LONG while washed up veterans like LARSEN, KLEE, ZHIT, WHITE & others clog up all the roster spots…

WHY is THAT???

By Bob

July 29, 2008 11:03 AM | Link to this

Chicago Blackhawks sign UFA goaltender Cristobal Huet to a 4-year, $22.4 million contract and the Thrash sign sign UFA forward Eric Boulton to a 2-year contract. Yeah baby, take that to hole and stuff it, and twice an Sunday! Ooh-rah.

By Bob

July 29, 2008 11:08 AM | Link to this

it’s a case of Donnie FRAUDell holding them down in the Minors TOO LONG while washed up veterans like LARSEN, KLEE, ZHIT, WHITE & others clog up all the roster spots

I don’t know about that. Word on Nikulin has been out for a while that he is good, but they couldn’t get him to sign. Why? Who knows, could be that he didn’t want to play for a bad team, could be the money, could be he likes it in Russia more. But in most cases, our prospects did in fact suck and that’s why we had washed up vets up here. I can’t think of anyone else in the minors that we’ve drafted who deserve time here yet were kept down, can you? Steling? He had his shot? I think they’re brought everyone up that was an NHLer, Nikulin is the one guy that’s been a “holdout” and it’s certainly not because we just had to play Richard Smehlik ahead of him.

By NASCAR Dave

July 29, 2008 11:12 AM | Link to this

Shall we have another look at Nikulin? I’m getting a lot more hopeful. This guy is going to be great in an Anderson-style offense.

I don’t think NIKULIN is coming here, AT ALL… I hope I am wrong, but as history shows, I usually am right…

By ice dog

July 29, 2008 11:16 AM | Link to this

hey bob can you tell me about all these other predictions you made? I just don’t want to be accused of no cherry pickin’ so please tell the rest of us what you predicted.

By NASCAR Dave

July 29, 2008 11:20 AM | Link to this

I can’t think of anyone else in the minors that we’ve drafted who deserve time here yet were kept down, can you?

VALABIK/LAVALLEE/STUART…

Steling? He had his shot?

Yes, he did have his chance and he did not capitalize on it… I have no problem moving him via Trade. I think ANDERSON wants to keep him here though…

By GaVaHokie

July 29, 2008 11:27 AM | Link to this

I hope I am wrong, but as history shows, I usually am right…

Damn, I have to go get a paper towel, I just spit coffee on my computer screen.

By Denny

July 29, 2008 11:27 AM | Link to this

GaVaHokie Thanks for the Nikulin U-Tube link. Your what I call a value added blogger

By R. Stroz

July 29, 2008 11:28 AM | Link to this

Much like yesterday, lets take a poll so everyone can put their cards on the table.

The polll is whether you pro-Nukes are anti-Nukes.

Pro Nukes believe he is coming over and Anti Nukes believe he is satying in Russia.

I’ll take pro-Nukes on this one and cross my fingers.

By Bob

July 29, 2008 11:34 AM | Link to this

don’t think NIKULIN is coming here, AT ALL… I hope I am wrong, but as history shows, I usually am right

You are usually right. Being objective and realistic allows you to take a candid look at this club, and Waddell. But on this one I think you’re wrong. Take a look at our dman roster. They’ve got 6 guys including Valabik under contract. You’ve got to have at least 7, and Valabik isn’t ready for the NHL, in my opinion, he’s the 7th guy. And they’re still a bit away from the cap minimum, whatever that actually is. So, the smoke around this leads me to believe that they’re holding a spot open for Nikulin.

VALABIK/LAVALLEE/STUART

Valabik wasn’t ready last year, or the year before, so they weren’t icing Klee instead of him, I think. Remember, dmen take a bit longer to mature.

Lavallee had his shot last year, how long have we had him under contract anyway? Stuart also had his shot last year, and how long have we had him under contract?

I hear what you’re saying about Larsen et al, but I think they’ve been needed due to Waddell’s bad drafting. Remember also, that Hartley wouldn’t play rookies, which was backasswards to hear Waddell claim before last year that he was going to have a youth movement, yet he retained Hartley as coach.

By Michael Shapiro

July 29, 2008 11:34 AM | Link to this

Thanks to By GaVaHokie for that excellent footage of Ilya Nikulin, more vid of him than I’ve seen before. Nice to see that not only does he shoot from the outside, but he’s not afraid to drive the net. Both are things we’ve sorely lacked on defense for a long, long time. Would be nice to sew him up in a contract and feel better about our all-too-often porous defense.

Still hoping we can find a center for Kovy, and after that another right wing. Somebody please tell me why we let the Deadwings sign Darren Haydar (a right wing) to a one year contract? Jeez, the guy costs well under a mill (I think Detriot has him for about $525k).

By Bob

July 29, 2008 11:38 AM | Link to this

Put me in the pro-Nukes category, stroz. Viva le Glasnost!

By Michael Shapiro

July 29, 2008 11:42 AM | Link to this

Bob, you said that Sterling “had his shot” but as I recall he was forced to play on the right side in the kids line, while his natural position is as a left wing. That might’ve had something to do with his low production and yo-yo like visits to Atlanta, which don’t compare to his productivity with the Wolves (Sara correct me if I’m wrong as you ALWAYS remember that stuff).

By Alan

July 29, 2008 11:48 AM | Link to this

On Nikulin: It’s my understanding that he wants to play in the NHL and wants to play for Atlanta, but does not want to play for the team in Chicago. Since he has been touted as the best Russian D-man not in the NHL, and judging on his performance in the few RSL games I’ve caught from the Ak Bars, I would say that’s a very fine assessment and would have no problem whatsoever with his ‘demands.’

On Sterling: I think he performed much better for Anderson last year than he did here under Hartley/Waddell. Sending him back to the minors was probably a good thing for him. I would be willing to give him another shot here, since he did well under Anderson last year.

Stroz - Put me in the Pro-Nuke category. My fingers are also crossed. It is my belief that he would definitely make this team much better, both offensively and defensively. That kid has a nice shot.

By GaVaHokie

July 29, 2008 11:52 AM | Link to this

Dave… Valabik was not ready. And he proved that in his first couple of games. In his debut, he was on the ice for 4 of the 5 Hurricane goals. His ice time got cut from 17 minutes to 11 minutes the next game… he’s still a question mark to me, and I definitely put him in the 7th D-man position… if we’re talking last season, I’ll take Klee over Valabik.

I’ll agree that Lavallee deserves a longer look over Larsen (and I think he will get a longer look), but Todd White can play circles around Stuart.

By Tim

July 29, 2008 12:09 PM | Link to this

Sterling have been giving his shot in the NHL to play on a position he is not accustomed to and limited time. I would say, not too shaby. I think we should give him a shot on his natural position before we called him a bust.

By paul

July 29, 2008 12:14 PM | Link to this

KRACKER You won’t be disappointed with these 2 guys. I live in Canada and it makes me real happy to see interest in hockey picking up in the USA south. Hope the Thrasher have a great year! BOB: Williams only played 39 games last year due to injury. When he came back he got on a point a game roll. The Hawks lost Havlat when Williams came back so their PP never really functioned 100%. Campbell would have been a great addition but Thrashers lost out so make the best of Hsinsey and Williams.

By ice dog

July 29, 2008 12:23 PM | Link to this

I make predictions on here all the time

bob, are you gonna show me some of those stellar predictions?

By NASCAR Dave

July 29, 2008 12:32 PM | Link to this

You are usually right. Being objective and realistic allows you to take a candid look at this club, and Waddell. But on this one I think you’re wrong. Take a look at our dman roster. They’ve got 6 guys including Valabik under contract. You’ve got to have at least 7, and Valabik isn’t ready for the NHL, in my opinion, he’s the 7th guy. And they’re still a bit away from the cap minimum, whatever that actually is. So, the smoke around this leads me to believe that they’re holding a spot open for Nikulin.

BOB - Here is what I think… Currently on the roster, you have:

HAVELID
ENSTROM
HAINSEY
BOGOSIAN
KLEE
EXELBY
VALABIK

That’s 7 isn’t it??? That is our D-Corp this year… If NIKULIN comes here, you move either KLEE or EXELBY out = Still have 7 Guys…

CHI Wolves have KULDA (ready) and OYSTRICK (ready) if needed…

More smoke and mirrors on the NIKULIN front… I just don’t think he is coming here… AGAIN - I hope I am wrong and we can get rid of KEN KLEE, but based on the fact that KLEE and EXELBY are still around on this roster on July 29th leads me to believe the Thrashers management knows that NIKULIN is not coming, they have just not announced it publicly yet, like all of their other recent transactions…

Has everyone noticed how everything with this organization is SO “Secretive” now??? No Press Releases, No Contract Details, etc. - Just very, very SECRETIVE…

WHY is THAT???

By Russ

July 29, 2008 12:33 PM | Link to this

I like Lavallee’s game a lot. I think he will be a fixture as a stong third line guy for years to come. I’m hoping he forces his way onto the opening night roster in favor of Larsen. I also am in the group that thinks we shouldn’t yet give up on Sterling. I think he could develop in to a consistent 20 goal scorer if given the chance. IMO even using Valabik as the #7 d-man is a bit of a stretch. I don’t think he’s ready and am beginning to wonder if he ever will be. I have been mostly unimpressed with what I have seen of him. That’s just my two cents on some of the young guys.

By GaVaHokie

July 29, 2008 12:38 PM | Link to this

I’m definitely on the Pro-Nuke… when you hire translators to pour over your contract, you’ve got Nikulin wearing a white jersey and playing on the fourth line in Ak Bars (Ak Bars is obviously moving on), doesn’t sound like a guy who plans to stay in Russia this year.

How long does it take to translate a contract?! This seems to be the only road-block in the whole situation.

By Alan

July 29, 2008 12:40 PM | Link to this

Hey Paul and welcome. Interest in hockey here has steadily risen (again) since we received this franchise. I think a lot of the attitude towards the sport has to do with the fact that this is College Football country, through and through. Hockey is steadily making inroads, despite the less than stellar product on the ice here, but it is certainly my hopes that word about how truly exciting the sport is will spread once the team starts winning.

What really bothers me is how some of the journalists in your neck of the woods seem quite adamant to move a team or teams to Canada. They don’t want expansion, they just want to poach a southern team. Nevermind the fact that the Wang of the Islanders has hinted at moving the team if he doesn’t get a new arena approved by Nassau County. But that’s not your fault, so don’t think I’m bashing you or anything. It’s just nice to see more people north of the border who hope the Thrashers become a successful franchise.

Stick around, because there’s a lot of hockey to discuss, and many of us are here all year ‘round, ready to discuss everything hockey.

By GaVaHokie

July 29, 2008 12:43 PM | Link to this

As far as Brett Sterling goes, I think this interview says it all. And I don’t see why it would be any different this year. I’d say as long as Kovalchuk and Kozlov are on the team, he’s doomed to repeat his struggles.

By Russian

July 29, 2008 12:45 PM | Link to this

I am going to say that Nikulin will play for Atlanta. He will sign contract with one option. If he could not play here as good as he can, He will back to Kazan. He will not play for Wolves. But he was doing very well on last World Champion against Canada and I think he will be fine here.

By John Tavares

July 29, 2008 1:00 PM | Link to this

Get to know me - the BS lineup being rolled out (again) this year makes me the only glimmer of hope available.

By B. Thenet

July 29, 2008 1:02 PM | Link to this

NASCAR Dave:

What exactly would you and the other boo hooers do if Don Waddell traded one of Klee or Exelby BEFORE we signed Nikulin and he didn’t come over?

It is a silly circular argument you are making. We haven’t moved a defenseman, therefore another isn’t coming.

I think some people are more concerned about their doomsday predictions coming true than hoping we upgrade our team by getting Nikulin and having to say something nice about DW.

I think Nikulin is coming over, just a matter of time.

By GaVaHokie

July 29, 2008 1:03 PM | Link to this

I gotta figure that the translation is over with and he’s free to negotiate with Atlanta. The 4th line White Jersey is a dead giveaway to me.

It’s gotta be an issue of length of contract… one-way… with an out clause to return to Russia, etc. at this point.

By paul

July 29, 2008 1:16 PM | Link to this

ALAN thanks for the welcome. Here it is July and I am talking hockey with guys from the South. Never thought it would happen but it is a great game and I am happy to see interest back in Atlanta. I agree with you that if Canadians want another team up here to go after expansion. We already poached the Flames from the South and the only way the game will expand is through exposure to new fans and from what I read on the blogs we have a great core in Atlanta. From one hockey fan to a group of other fans here’s wishing for a great season for the Thrashers. I will be talking with you guys all season. Paul

By GaVaHokie

July 29, 2008 1:27 PM | Link to this

What exactly would you and the other boo hooers do if Don Waddell traded one of Klee or Exelby BEFORE we signed Nikulin and he didn’t come over?

… nail on the head.

It would also have to deal with the length of contract. If Nikulin signs for only one year, I expect Valabik to spend another year in Chicago, Klee and Exelby stay. If Nikulin signs a 3+ year deal like Hainsey, then I’d expect a trade of Klee or Exelby.

Did we discuss before what restrictions there are on length of contract with Nikulin? Can anyone refresh us?

By Bob

July 29, 2008 1:31 PM | Link to this

That’s 7 isn’t it???

Ah, good point, I forgot about Bogosian, he makes 7. I still think Nikulin is coming over, and really would like to see him play for us. I think at his age, the adjustment would be pretty quick for him, plus it’d make Kovy happy, win-win there.

I like Lavallee’s game a lot. I think he will be a fixture as a stong third line guy for years to come

I do as well, Russ. I just don’t think that he’s been unfairly kept out of our lineup in years past, how long have we had him anyway? I liked his game alot, I like Stuart’s game as well. Sterling, not so much.

By ranallo10 (in AT)

July 29, 2008 1:35 PM | Link to this

A lot of the criticisms people are lobbing Valabik’s way are the exact same criticisms lobbed Coburn’s way two seasons back. Upon Coburn’s trade those criticisms turned from being aimed at Coburn and Hartley to being aimed at Waddell.

Sterling has played in 13 NHL games, Valabik 7, Lavallee 2, and Stuart 18. I don’t think any of them have been given a “fair” shot at showing their abilities on the NHL level.

And yes, Sterling played RW for most of his time in the NHL, with the exception of when he lined up with Little and Haydar (the Wolves line)…which coincidentally was a productive line during it’s short time together.

By Alan

July 29, 2008 1:37 PM | Link to this

We’re definitely happy to have a team here, Paul, and I for one am looking forward to the coming season, no matter how bad we do… though I hope we do much better than we did last year.

I hope Canada gets another team or two. Re-visiting Winnipeg or Quebec City should definitely be an option the NHL looks into. I just don’t want the NHL to relocate teams from the US to Canada - especially not from a budding yet vibrant market like the southeast (and this is a reason why a lot of people don’t like Balsillie, since this is exactly what he’s trying to accomplish). The following seems small now, but let a team here become a consistent winner and that will change.

By GaVaHokie

July 29, 2008 1:40 PM | Link to this

What the heck does one have to do with the other and why are you comparing it? Does it make you feel better about losing out on Campbell? That’s just plain goofy.

BOB… I didn’t miss the point… we got Hainsey and Williams for about the same price as what Chicago paid Campbell.

We got Hainsey and Williams for less than what WE were offering Campbell per year.

Kracker is saying, losing out on Campbell at $8 million and getting Hainsey and Williams at $6 million instead, he’s just as happy… As am I.

… what’s not to understand?

By NASCAR Dave

July 29, 2008 1:44 PM | Link to this

I think some people are more concerned about their doomsday predictions coming true than hoping we upgrade our team by getting Nikulin and having to say something nice about DW.

B. TRENT - Read the comment more carefully… I said I HOPE he does come here, but I don’t think he will be coming here…

KLEE or EXELBY have not been moved yet. If NIKULIN comes here, I agree with GAVAHOKIE that either KLEE or EXELBY will be traded away, or even waived in KLEE’s case…

As far as moving on of those guys, and NIKULIN still not coming… If it is KLEE I am fine with it… EXELBY should not be moved unless it is a FACT that NIKULIN will be here…

I also disagree with everybody saying that VALABIK “is not ready”… That is just stupid… Some of us here actually would like to see these draft picks play, not have them stuck in the Minors for years and years under how the Thrashers system currently operates…

By Hockey Biltong

July 29, 2008 1:47 PM | Link to this

Here comes Nikulin and Sundin….

By ranallo10 (in AT)

July 29, 2008 1:47 PM | Link to this

Hokie — I believe Nikulin is restricted to an entry-level contract. So three years and a $.875M cap hit annually, with whatever bonuses his draft position mandates (the higher the pick the more bonuses he can be offered in that entry level contract).

Good link to Sterling by the way, reaffirms several thoughts/opinions I had on his time in Atlanta. Do you happen to remember what Anderson’s reaction was to Waddell’s saying Sterling needed to work on his defense (when Sterling was sent down)?

By NASCAR Dave

July 29, 2008 1:51 PM | Link to this

A lot of the criticisms people are lobbing Valabik’s way are the exact same criticisms lobbed Coburn’s way two seasons back. Upon Coburn’s trade those criticisms turned from being aimed at Coburn and Hartley to being aimed at Waddell.

Sterling has played in 13 NHL games, Valabik 7, Lavallee 2, and Stuart 18. I don’t think any of them have been given a “fair” shot at showing their abilities on the NHL level.

And yes, Sterling played RW for most of his time in the NHL, with the exception of when he lined up with Little and Haydar (the Wolves line)…which coincidentally was a productive line during it’s short time together.

Holy Crap! An entire post by RANALLO that I agree with!!!

Good post, brother - I agree 100%!!!

By GaVaHokie

July 29, 2008 2:06 PM | Link to this

I also disagree with everybody saying that VALABIK “is not ready”…

I think what most of us were eluding to was that he WASN’T ready last year.

I believe a lot of us, including myself, wanted him on the roster at the start of last season. Most of us only wanting him for his toughness… we had no one that was capable of clearing guys from the crease.

After watching him this past March, i could see why he didn’t make the team out of camp. He needed that year in Chicago… he could benefit from another year in my book… but I think he’ll be the 7th man… for his toughness.

By B. Thenet

July 29, 2008 2:17 PM | Link to this

While we are talking about rookies, of all the rookies that were called up from Chicago last year, Colin Stuart impressed me the most. He was scoring at a higher level than he probably will down the road…but he looks at the very least like an above average 4th line contributor.

That one slo-mo drive to the net from center ice where Stuart made a couple of players look like fools was one of my favorite goals of the year.

By NASCAR Dave

July 29, 2008 2:21 PM | Link to this

but I think he’ll be the 7th man… for his toughness.

I hope so, too… We lost that with EXELBY’s Concussion…

And if we don’t get NIKULIN, I would be fine with KULDA instead of KLEE with EXELBY as the 7th…

HAVELID—ENSTROM
HAINSEY—VALABIK
BOGOSIAN—KULDA (D-Pair from Juniors)
(Healthy Scratch) EXELBY

By GaVaHokie

July 29, 2008 2:29 PM | Link to this

Colin Stuart impressed me the most. He was scoring at a higher level than he probably will down the road

God, I hope 3 goals isn’t a high level of scoring. :)

By ranallo10 (in AT)

July 29, 2008 2:31 PM | Link to this

Holy Crap! An entire post by RANALLO that I agree with!!!

Hmmm, I must’ve mistyped something then…I’ll go back through that previous post to figure out what I did wrong.

B. Thenet — I’ll agree with whomever has stated it previously, but I personally feel Stuart and Lavallee will be solid third or fourth line contributors. Like Slater (but drafted MUCH lower), each has tenacity, some size, and an average ability to put pucks in the net. If they can translate those assets into pucks in net (or out of our own net) I would be fine with them on Atlanta’s roster. Lavallee producing on the Krog-Sterling line gives me hope he can be a good power forward and using his size effectively.

Hokie — His toughness sure is a benefit, but I think overall he needs ice time (not as a #7 d-man) to improve. As with Coburn, 10 minutes a game is not enough to develop into a top 4 d-man, and Valabik has the size and mental capacity to be that type of defender (he’s a smart guy, he knows the game, just has to physically catch up to what he’s trying to do mentally). If he can cut back on losing his temper and improve his decision making when the puck is on his stick, I think he’ll turn into the defender I hope he can be.

By GaVaHokie

July 29, 2008 2:34 PM | Link to this

HAVELID—ENSTROM HAINSEY—VALABIK BOGOSIAN—KULDA (D-Pair from Juniors) (Healthy Scratch) EXELBY

That’s too much “fresh meat” for my liking. There better be a lot of goal scoring because there sure won’t be any defense. Peterborough wasn’t exactly great defensively, I don’t see why Bogo and Kulda would translate to a quality NHL pairing for defense.

By Corey

July 29, 2008 2:40 PM | Link to this

B. Thenet - That drive was awesome! That was the sunday midday Sabers game when they sold the lower bowl seats for 15 dollars or something like that… When I saw him go I was sure it was Hossa the way he was moving, but low and behold Colin Stuart… He has some skill, just seemed like he wasn’t fully prepared for a day to day NHL game yet.

By GaVaHokie

July 29, 2008 2:41 PM | Link to this

In other news, Mark Parrish is about to be put on waivers by Minnesota. He still had a three year contract left. I can only assume he’s healthy or they couldn’t waive him, right?

What a fall from grace… he’s arguably in the Jason Williams camp of quality point producer with a string of injuries. Gotta be conditioning issues.

By ice dog

July 29, 2008 3:21 PM | Link to this

hey Bob how are those predictions coming along? Think you can pull them together by close of business today Sparky?

By Bob

July 29, 2008 3:59 PM | Link to this

That drive was awesome! That was the sunday midday Sabers game when they sold the lower bowl seats for 15 dollars or something like that… When I saw him go I was sure it was Hossa the way he was moving, but low and behold Colin Stuart

Ditto. I had the exact same reaction, the guy in front of me had to point out that it wasn’t Hoss. I like Stuart and hope he sticks.

By Paul

July 29, 2008 4:00 PM | Link to this

HEY BOB, I live in the heart of OHL junior hockey country. Bogosian played for Peterborough Petes and let me tell you he is a fantastic hockey player and arguably could have been the number 1 choice in the draft. The guy has size, speed,agility and toughness. He handles the puck like a pro and I have seen him go from end to end and score. The Thrashers got a guy that has the potentiol to win a string of Norris trophies and is the kind of player you want to build a future cup winner around. Time will tell what team got the best player in the draft but he may just be playing in Atlanta.

By ice dog

July 29, 2008 4:34 PM | Link to this

bob did you predict that stuart would make that move? How are those predictions coming along there Sparky?

By lordstan57

July 29, 2008 4:50 PM | Link to this

OYE! Bogy is the real deal! Saw him at the prospect camp, THE MAN CAN PLAY! What he needs is NHL icetime….. nothing less. Seasoning! I liked Stewie as well. That play VS the Slugs that Sun was as pretty a play as I saw ALL YEAR!!! I absolutely LOVE HIS SPEED!!!! stickhandling keeps up with his skates, sees the ice well from what I could tell, although granted, it was a very short look at em’. Maybe he needed to bulk up a wee bit, toughen up mentally. Look forward to seeing him in Sept. Also, I also think Bobo is a now or never kinda guy right now. Like what saw of him as well. and other folks around the league have noticed as well. Few peeps fishing around w/ trade proposals for him, trying to pick him up on the cheap. NO! Let’s see what he can do.

As far as the Nuke prediction???? I have absolutely no idea. The whole issue is just really flakey, no way to get a real feel for it. If he decides to be a part of Le Thrash, GREAT! if not? ………………

By Russ

July 29, 2008 4:56 PM | Link to this

Ranallo clarified what I was wondering about how much Nikulin can make. If that is the case for entry level contracts then there is no doubt that a trade or at least one more significant (financially anyway) free agent signing is going to have to be made to meet the salary floor. I’m not exactly sure what the floor is, but I know it is 40.5-40.7 mil. The Thrashers are currently 2.8-3 mil. below the floor with only two spots on defense still up for grabs probably to be claimed by some combination of Bogosian/Nikulin/Valabik. Any combination of two of those is only going to add about $1.5 mil. So, as the roster currently stands the Thrashers will still be roughly $1.5 mil. under the floor. I guess the Thrashers just have to wait until teams over the cap start dumping salary and then swoop in for a trade.

By Bob

July 29, 2008 4:59 PM | Link to this

let me tell you he is a fantastic hockey player and arguably could have been the number 1 choice in the draft

He sounds like the real deal, I’m glad LA picked before us and took Doughty, I just think Bogosian sounds like the guy with more upside (and better pedigree, his dad was a football player, Doughty’s dad eats donuts for a living, apparently).

I also loved Bogosian’s answer to this question:

If he could invite any three people to dinner he would choose: Mike Tyson, Jessica Alba and Wayne Gretzky

Nice.

By GaVaHokie

July 29, 2008 5:07 PM | Link to this

The Colin Stuart goal you speak of is right here at 3:26 into the video… you’re welcome. :)

By Tony C.

July 29, 2008 5:54 PM | Link to this

I’d find out what his medical chart says before I took a flyer on Parrish. But if it doesn’t look like something that will be recurring, then he’s worth looking into.

That Stuart breakaway was probably the prettiest non-#17, tally of the year to me. I read an article where his whole family was watching it. “You can’t imagine how proud I was” to paraphrase the father’s quote. I bet. That was an unexpected bonus, I don’t think we’ll see that from him much more often, but it was nice to see it go down.

By ranallo10 (in AT)

July 29, 2008 6:25 PM | Link to this

I’m curious if the recent IIHF/KHL/NHL dealings could be holding up the Nikulin situation…perhaps there isn’t a definitive way set up yet for an NHL team to sign a KHL player, even if they have an “out” clause. Since the KHL holds the cards in this situation (since they have the “rights” to the player being moved), I could see this ruling setting the pace for future contracts, and Nikulin is kind of held hostage until the ruling is made.

Interesting to note is that Nikita Filatov is one of the 5 players suspended, along with Jason Krog for signing with Vancouver. Why Filatov is interesting is because the KHL says that though his KHL contract is expired, they are demanding payment for his transfer due to the costs they have incurred while training and developing him as a talent.

Anyways, I would think this ruling has a bit of an impact upon the Thrashers, even if it’s in mandating the teams triple check contracts before negotiating with their Russian prospects under contract in the KHL.

Oh, and does anybody else think that if Nikulin were brought to the NHL it could help sway his teammate (and fellow Thrashers defensive prospect) Andrei Zubarev towards eventually coming to Atlanta?

By ranallo10 (in AT)

July 29, 2008 7:01 PM | Link to this

Russ — The floor is $40.7M, or $16M below the ceiling of $56.7M.

Atlanta sits at $38.594M and 21 players if Valabik makes the roster. As you said, Nikulin and Bogosian would each count for $.875M max (not counting bonuses, which I’m hazy at best about how it will impact next years cap hit).

By Tony C.

July 29, 2008 9:34 PM | Link to this

Dude if Zubarev comes over too-WOW

By Brendan

July 29, 2008 9:46 PM | Link to this

Russ, I also think we could see the Thrashers make some waiver claim acquisition before the season starts. And that could really add some salary. We will get over the floor of the cap. That much is certain. One way or another.

What I worry about … is what kind of draft pick/prospect combination we’d give up if there is a trade in the works. At this juncture, I’m not a big fan of trades. It means some player who didn’t sign to play in this market will now be FORCED to play here because the GM of his team had to get under the cap. A person might call that “mismanaging his roster,” but that’s a little strong and could be quite offbase. Perhaps a great deal fell in this other GM’s lap, and he had to make the best of it by shipping off players he didn’t really want or intend to lose to Atlanta. However it happens … I’d hate to see a rebuilding team give up prized draft picks, or promising prospects, to accept a player whose heart lies elsewhere.

It’s not much better if it’s a waiver claim. One the one hand, the player never asked to be here, but on the other, he needs a position somewhere in the NHL. It’s a little bit better if the player is bought out by his team, then AGREES to sign with Atlanta, of his own volition. That means he chose to play here. I like that concept a lot better.

By dj

July 30, 2008 12:07 AM | Link to this

I miss ranallo.

By ranallo10 (in AT)

July 30, 2008 6:26 AM | Link to this

dj — Don’t worry bud, I’ll still sing you lullaby’s every night, it’ll just cost you extra due to the long distance. I think you should speak with Richard and Olivia about their section, see what you can pull of there so they always have room for BOULTON TIME!

Tony C. — I agree. I doubt it’d be immediate, but I’d hope Nikulin could help persuade Zubarev to coming upon the conclusion of his KHL contract. That’s wishful thinking though, obviously.

ESPN’s Rumor Central has the Thrashers listed as one of the possible teams interested in Antoine Vermette (along with the Blue Jackets and the Canucks). I’m curious what they’re looking for, as that same rumor mentioned Vancouver offering Bieksa or Salo (~$3.5M each) for Vermette. I’d be all for Vermette, if room was made for him offensively (and it didn’t cost the Thrashers Little).

By GaVaHokie

July 30, 2008 8:47 AM | Link to this

Ranallo… Ottawa needs two things. A puck moving defenseman or second line scoring. AND it needs to be affordable for them if they want to retain Meszaros.

I wonder if they would accept Havelid and White? I’d offer Exelby and White, even though Ex isn’t a puck moving defenseman.

By Libby

July 30, 2008 8:47 AM | Link to this

We miss ranallo 10 also. DJ, we will be seating in 204, row A. We need a Bolton time.

By RS

July 30, 2008 9:32 AM | Link to this

The interesting thing about this whole KHL mess is that the actual teams that are releasing these players don’t seem to have much of a problem with it. Filatov is actually practicing with CSKA 2 right now.

By Bob

July 30, 2008 9:54 AM | Link to this

It’s not much better if it’s a waiver claim. One the one hand, the player never asked to be here, but on the other, he needs a position somewhere in the NHL. It’s a little bit better if the player is bought out by his team, then AGREES to sign with Atlanta, of his own volition

Like Parrish? Assuming he clears waivers and is bought out? Don’t know about him, I never liked his game much, but beggars can’t be choosers, eh?

By Tim

July 30, 2008 10:46 AM | Link to this

Tony C. That goal was sweet but I still like the on e #18 scored on Kari Lehtonen assist. That was a classic play there.

By ranallo10 (in AT)

July 30, 2008 10:52 AM | Link to this

Libby — Definitely feeling the love, thanks.

Hokie — I would think Murray or even Parrish represent better secondary scoring options for the Senators than White, plus they’re easier and less expensive to acquire. If they’re looking for secondary scoring and haven’t attempted to sign Murray, then they’re looking for someone to replicate Vermette’s production and White isn’t that man.

Money is the main issue, from what I see. They’re at $45.14M (nhlnumbers) with only 17 players on the roster. Fill in the few young players from last season that aren’t being counted on that number, they’re at $47.923M with 21 players (only missing Meszaros and Vermette). If each get a $3M contract, they can’t keep both ($6M would push them perilously close to the cap, and leave little to no wiggle room).

So, that means whatever they get in return must be worth less than what they’d sign the player for. A $2.375M player (White) plus Havelid ($2.7M) or Exelby ($1.392M) is above the value of that potential contract of Vermette, and is definitely not an upgrade (Havelid is, Exelby and White aren’t).

If Vermette is the player moved, the only players the Thrashers have that resemble their need are either too expensive (Havelid), not good enough (White), or too much to give up in return for said player (Enstrom).

But, that’s how I see their situation (in respect to the chances of Atlanta acquiring him).

By volgrad1985

July 30, 2008 11:05 AM | Link to this

Parrish has the distinction of being a part of one of the most lopsided trades I’ve seen in hindsight:

“Jun 24, 2000: New York Islanders traded Olli Jokinen and Roberto Luongo to the Florida Panthers for Mark Parrish and Oleg Kvasha.”

Kinda makes the “Coburn for Zhitnik” trade hurt a little less….not much, just a little.

By truth seeker

July 30, 2008 11:21 AM | Link to this

volgrad - remember who was so in favor of getting Zhitnik for Coburn?

That’s right. BOB gave Don Waddell two thumbs up for giving up Braydon Coburn in exchange for ALEX FREAKING ZHITNIK

lmao

By ranallo10 (in AT)

July 30, 2008 11:22 AM | Link to this

volgrad — I’m glad you mentioned “hindsight”, as that’s the operative word when reviewing any trade. That trade rates similarly to the other transaction involving Luongo (Bertuzzi and Bryan Allen), where one team got relatively little in return for a good player.

But yeah, Luongo (potential HOF in my opinion) and Jokinen (has always been a #1 center) for average RW and Kvasha (often underperforming, but another average player) is a completely lopsided trade…and one of the most lopsided in relatively recent hockey trades.

Coburn for Zhitnik was a bad move in the end, but I don’t think it deserves mention compared to the Luongo trade(s).

By Russ

July 30, 2008 11:38 AM | Link to this

I think Ottawa has a need in goal both in the present and looking long term. Pavelec as part of a package for Vermette might work. I think a few weeks ago I was even trying to figure out the possibility of getting both Meszaros and Vermette. Kozlov (secondary scoring and had great chemistry with Heatley), Pavelec, and a second round pick for Vermette and Meszaros??? The Thrashers may have to throw in a d-man like Klee or Exelby. Of course, Kozlov would have to waive his NTC. Oh well, it’s July 30th and I don’t have anything better to do than dream up trade scenarios I guess.

By GaVaHokie

July 30, 2008 11:41 AM | Link to this

“Jun 24, 2000: New York Islanders traded Olli Jokinen and Roberto Luongo to the Florida Panthers for Mark Parrish and Oleg Kvasha.”

Yep… a few days before drafting Rick DiPietro. So, the Islanders could have Luongo and Heatley right now.

By NASCAR Dave

July 30, 2008 12:20 PM | Link to this

That’s right. BOB gave Don Waddell two thumbs up for giving up Braydon Coburn in exchange for ALEX FREAKING ZHITNIK

You know what is funny about that??? BRIAN agreed they were good moves too… So what is your point, BRIAN??? LOL

By ranallo10 (in AT)

July 30, 2008 12:44 PM | Link to this

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