Thrashers

By NASCAR Dave

April 18, 2008 5:59 PM | Link to this

Nice work, Craig. I am GLAD Anderson said he wants the job. I think he deserves a shot.

The Snyder/Booze/Drugs comment was weird to me too. I still don’t understand what he was trying to say…

NASCAR Dave thinks bumbling Donnie got surprised there for a second and came out with one his “infamous” bumbling quotes…

Craig, you should of heard him on 680 the other morning… He sounded extremely nervous… Skated around some of his answers… Said the Thrashers “Don’t like to call out players - that’s not our style” then he immediately called out the veterans when asked what was the primary problem this year…

And he also continues his refusal to accept responsibility for this dismal team…

We’re screwed…

By NASCAR Dave

April 18, 2008 6:04 PM | Link to this

Waddell said, moving forward, developing an identity is crucial. It also raises the question, should the Thrashers still be trying to develop an identity at this point in their existence? Shouldn’t they already have one?

Great point Craig. Here we are 10 years later, and we still deploy the dump and chase.

This is the problem many of us have with Waddell. He has had AMPLE oppurtunity to get this team “Moving In The Right Direction”… And he has FAILED to do so.

By NASCAR Dave

April 18, 2008 6:10 PM | Link to this

Not to pile on after a rough season, but if Don thought the strength of the Thrashers was scoring goals and taking care of their zone, I must have been at totally different games all season. The Thrashers averaged 2.52 goals per game, No. 22 in the league. And they weren’t good in their own zone. But other than that, those were the strengths.

Nice one Craig. Still LMAO at this one…

Donnie simply has NO CLUE what is going on, does he???

This article is brilliant… Craig has done a superb job here.

Maybe now everybody will realize what a joke bumbling Donnie is…

What a fraud… Don FRAUDell.

By NASCAR Dave

April 18, 2008 6:18 PM | Link to this

We have to play to the strengths of our team: scoring goals and taking care of our zone.”

WHAT?!? Was blustering Donnie drunk, Craig???

Maybe he thought he was still with the Red Wings…

Donnie, you had 1 guy that scores goals (Kovalchuk) and he wants to leave ala Hossa…

And we NEVER took care of our own zone you IDIOT!!!

We are not the NAIVE Sheep you think we are, Donnie!!! (Well, most of us anyways)…

This guy Don FRAUDell has NO business in the NHL, Craig…

What a friggin joke he is…

NUFF SAID.

By Jason

April 18, 2008 6:33 PM | Link to this

Craig, glad your in Chicago looking for any “wolves in sheep’s clothing”. I’m sure there’s quite a few to be found. Let them know the fans here are PO’d about the lack of successful products coming outta there. Not that many of us don’t feel DW and Spirit are the main phoney’s ruining the Thrash and causing the main issues to this point.

I think Anderson deserves just as much a chance for coaching considerations for this team as a Pat Burns or someone else with a long NHL pedigree. Personally, I don’t know who’s the right guy for the job. I guess it all depends on what direction DW and gang want to take. Promoting a youth movement and bringing in a few younger free agents, along with youngsters like Esposito, Pavelec, and others lends toward an Anderson type maybe? Or, if it’s playoff tested veterans like the team tried last year, then a more established coach may make more since.

Either way Craig, I think you’re right about identity. You can’t very easily make a proper decision on who you want or should be coaching the Thrashers until you decide what you want them to be coaching.

I will agree with DW also on being able to turn it around quickly. Look at Nashville. I thought there was no way they made the playoffs in the west, but somehow they are tied 2-2 with the Wings going into tonight’s game. I still think Detroit wins the series, but the Preds have shown a lot of resiliency clawing to this point. I think a lot of their credit should be given to Barry Trotz and staff, along with their younger players like Radulov and Ellis. Which is what I hope happens with us in players like Little, Pavelec and other prospects finally making a strong impact on the team.

By Teka

April 18, 2008 6:49 PM | Link to this

What are your feelings on Joe Motzko and that trade with Alex Giroux? I’m interested to hear the ‘other team’s’ opinion on Motzko, as I watched him here in Hershey for most of the year and was stunningly underwhelmed by his ability to play as part of a team rather than God’s preferred puck-carrier.

By Craig Custance

April 18, 2008 8:13 PM | Link to this

You gotta love the AHL - there was nearly a brawl at center ice and the two teams are just in warm-ups. Good stuff.

By LAC

April 18, 2008 9:01 PM | Link to this

I’m STILL waiting for Craig to ask waddell what he thinks of the blog comments ? Why NOT ask him Craig ?

The man is a confused mess, and NOT capable of handling the job anymore.

Bringing up the Snyder/Booze/Drug this was NUTS, I agree with NascarDave was he DRUNK or on drugs himself ?

The man takes NO responsibility for the collaspe of the franchise. He skates around issues, he will NOT answer direct questions and keeps this “Moving ahead” crap going.

Moving ahead to where don ? 30th place next season ? We have so many players returning from this past year’s disaster there is NO hope for improvement. If they were bad last year, is there any reason to think for a second they will be better next season ? Answer NO.

The more and more this season’s door close, it is painfully evident that don waddell IS the problem with this team, there is NO doubt about it.

Why in heavens name these owners do not fire him and hire Dave Noris is a new wonder of the world. It is nuts to think that waddell is doing an acceptable job.

I am very very concerned now about the entire franchise, it is now so fragile it is scary, I mean REAL scary. If anyone thinks don waddell is the person to pick up the pieces please come forward, I want to hear your reason’s why.

He is finished here and I think he really knows it, but why a man in his position who has failed year after year, cannot come to grips with it and step aside for the betterment of the team is simply astounding. For the Sake of the franchise waddell please resign ASAP you have and are killing the Thrashers to the point of NO return, If you really, really loved this team as you say… Then do the acceptable thing and step aside and let a real NHL GM put the puzzle back togather, one more day of your services is another day closer to the collaspe of the entire franchise !!!

By Hockeyfan

April 18, 2008 9:28 PM | Link to this

Craig How many games do you think Mark Bradley went to last season? I bet it doesnt approach double digits.

I thought Anderson should have a shot at coaching but watching Boris’ first couple of games where his positioning was awful I thought maybe not.

Espo, et al should be given a little ice time to see if they can make the next step but then again, Chicago is about winning without developing Thrasher players…

By Eileen

April 18, 2008 9:48 PM | Link to this

Craig, I am so glad you brought up the Dan Snyder comment. That really bothered me. It was kind of like “we don’t have a drug problem, I mean we had one player die, but other than that…” Strange and insensitive. Perhaps it was nerves. Anyway, welcome back.

By Thorburn's Thugs

April 18, 2008 9:51 PM | Link to this

I agree with LAC. Dave Noris, recently fired from Vancouver after 3 Winning Seasons would be a solid pickup for our GM position.

Is Cliff Fletcher going be staying around in Toronto?

By Bob

April 18, 2008 10:32 PM | Link to this

…players talk and if there are perceived issues about the organization…

If?!?

You gotta love the AHL - there was nearly a brawl at center ice and the two teams are just in warm-ups. Good stuff

Good stuff indeed. Valabik go tonight? Tell more.

By Alan

April 18, 2008 10:53 PM | Link to this

Well, if Waddell truly is here to stay, then let’s bring in a coach who is capable of heralding our youth movement. I do NOT want a coach who is unfriendly towards the young guys. Give the job to Anderson — he deserves it.

By Tony C.

April 18, 2008 11:00 PM | Link to this

Heh.

Gee, maybe I’m not the ignorant-rednek hockeyfan that the fellas up in Toronto think I am.

What is “Thrasher’s Hockey”???

I’m pretty sure I’ve been asking that at least once a season for the past few years (Brendan can back me up on this). I’m glad to see that DW realizes the need for a true identity-I think back to an interview The Captain (that’s Messier for the uninitiated)gave regarding their embarrassing 2nd game 6-1 loss to the defending Cup Champion NYI in the ‘83 Finals:

“No, no, we knew it was different that year, we just played poorly, they had a great game plan [that game], and we fell right into it. We just talked in the room before game 3 back home, that if we would just play Oiler’s Hockey that they couldn’t beat us, they wouldn’t be able to stop us.”

He goes on to mention that even though Edmonton had won the first game 1-0, they didn’t win it “the right way” in Messier’s words. He said that for the first two games they tried to match up against the Islander’s by changing their style-playing the Islander’s game, and not sticking with their own style, that brought them so much success.

I can’t think of a better endorsement for developing and staying true to your team’s style/identity than that (for those that don’t know, the ‘83 finals was won 5 games to 1 by Edmonton, with Messier’s inspired play and obvious “heart&soul of the team” winning the Conn Smythe).

Now at times, I think we’ve seen Le Thrash play dynamic, hard-hitting, puck-possesing, good hockey. The problem? It’s been “at times”. Now, last season’s team suffered from “we can turn it on in the 3rd”-itis, but for a few games in a row, I think we got teased with a vision of what “Thrasher’s Hockey” could be.

Obviously, a lot has changed since last season. But I do think that as far as the offense goes, we truly are one or two players away from icing 3 very adequate and one exceptional lines.

Defensively, well….hey, you know, uhh. nah. It sucks. I think we need at least two, if not three players to address that area. Who’s to say that one or possibly two of those players are available internally (yes I am looking at Big Vikki & Oysterick/Popivic with a hopeful eye). Now with complete honesty, I reckon that it’ll be only ONE internal promotion-in fact, there may be only ONE FA/trade addition.

That being said, I think that we can all see that a properly prepared team can be “more than the sum of it’s parts”. This carries over into almost all team sports-I look back to France beating Brasil in the World Cup as a prime example of this: Brasil was an uber-talented juggernaut of a team, fielding at least 5 of the top 20 players in the world, with the rest of the squad being in the top 75. France, meanwhile had one such top-20 player and several top 100 players (and yes Bartheze is in that group as he was getting up in years).

Odds for France prior to the game were something like 24-1! However, as the game unfolded, France shocked the world as they executed a perfectly-crafted game plan that stymied Brasil’s potent offense and resulted in an unthinkable 3-0 defeat of the perenial powerhouse in the summer of 1998.

This type of story repeated in every team sport-I think you’ve heard the old saw “preparation and dedication will beat talent every time”…

Now as far as the dedication-that’s on the players, but proper peparation falls squarely on coaching and management.

So, theoretically even if the ingredients are store-brand a talented cook in a well-equipped kitchen will be able to produce quality dishes.

By JB

April 19, 2008 12:06 AM | Link to this

Guys, its NONIS, not NORIS. Dave Nonis was fired by Vancouver.

But anyway, Craig; good blog as usual; kudos to you.

By Brendan

April 19, 2008 12:26 AM | Link to this

Yes, Tony C. has been asking, “What is Thrashers hockey?” for some time now. I think he first posed it in 2003-04. And if the sole GM in the 9-year, eight season history of the franchise doesn’t know or have an explanation for why one hasn’t been established, isn’t that particularly telling?

It reminds me of the time Waddell said, “I don’t know,” when responding to a reporter’s question, “Why can’t the Thrashers properly make a line change?”

I’m delighted that Waddell has extremely successful sleep patterns. It seems to be something he’s emphasized a lot lately. Which is a bit of a curious topic. But I’ll let it go.

Speaking of a curious topic, I thought it was compelling that Chicago’s GM and Coach are arguing, “We’ve tried to mimic ‘Thrashers Hockey,’ but we just know what it is.” I think I can answer it. “Pass the puck to Ilya for a ‘one-timer,’ then play ‘whack-a-mole’ (TM, Poster Sara, all rights reserved) on defense.

But, if you’re Chicago, you don’t have Ilya for the big one-timer. Nor does ‘whack-a-mole’ seem like a particularly viable option. Even for the AHL.

Keeping Waddell in charge … is such an indefensible decision. I can’t wait for Forbes Magazine to come out with their list of top business GM’s. I hope Waddell is on it again. The ASG will need some positive press. Who knows? Maybe the Hawks will deliver their very 1st-ever playoff win, since they tooks stewardship of the Hawks and Thrashers. But Vegas says … Celtics in a sweep. I can’t really argue. But I do wish the Hawks “good luck” in their quest to get that elusive playoff win, which has eluded them since 1999. They weren’t swept in ‘99, were they?

By Terry in Dahlonega

April 19, 2008 12:34 AM | Link to this

Are we moving in the right direction yet?

By polskidawg

April 19, 2008 1:00 AM | Link to this

Nice blog Craig. A few thoughts:

Chicago GM Kevin Cheveldayoff, who will be an NHL GM one day, and John Anderson, who should be an NHL head coach one day Any chance that can be 2008 in Atlanta? I already know the answer…

John Anderson…if he’s going to get an interview, he doesn’t expect to talk seriously to Don Waddell until after the Calder Cup playoffs. I just to see that happening. It will be a recycle job, if not DW’s buddy from Carolina.

I thought there were some interesting quotes from Waddell in there. Nice job being diplomatic Craig. Perhaps confusing, unrealistic or delusional would work.

Waddell also said this team didn’t have problem scoring goals. I beg to differ. I think, other than Kovy, this team had a serious problem scoring goals. To say that the Thrashers are only two players away from a complete turnaround also seems like quite a reach. No truer words could be written.

But you have to wonder if the Marian Hossa saga might have hurt the recruitment of premier free agents. It has and will continue.

Even Waddell said as much with this quote: “Accountability from a coach to player standpoint - we have to be better moving forward.” Yet, that doesn’t apply to the GM apparently.

If the Thrashers had a distinct identity, like say the New Jersey Devils, the AHL affiliate might be more apt to consistently fit that identity. Once again, you hit it on the head.

What was their identity? A team that gives up a ton of shots and hopes Ilya Kovalchuk scores? Yes

It also raises the question, should the Thrashers still be trying to develop an identity at this point in their existence? Shouldn’t they already have one? Yes, yes, yes.

We have to play to the strengths of our team: scoring goals and taking care of our zone.” Either that was the most absurd comment of the interview, or DW meant that it is the desired identity. Which do you think Craig?

By Sara

April 19, 2008 6:16 AM | Link to this

Craig nice to see you back. I was afraid you were heading to summer vacay without even saying goodbye! And how ‘bout those Wings - they giving you as many heartattacks as they’re giving me?? Sheesh!

In regards to the identity thing - aka a system, which I think everyone here has brought up this season:

I think the idea of a high-scoring team that is defensively sound in their zone (not necessarily top-notch, but average) is the direction he was looking for this year but didn’t quite get. It was meant to be a bunch of small speedy guys to generate offense, with some solid two-way players to handle our other business (White, Dupuis, Hossa, Holik, etc etc). Obviously, it did not work out according to plan.

I really think this team doesn’t need lots of upgrades to the roster BUT it needs a few very specific ones in a big way. Improving our d by bringing in two top quality defenders (that would be considered such on any team) goes a long way to shoring up the D. We have some servicable guys, like Klee and X, who can get the job done and would probably do it more often and better if they weren’t having to log tons of ice time. The same could be said for some of our forwards as well. Beyond that…we saw last year and this year what even a mediocre line-up can do when they work together. It’s all about synergy - the value of the whole being greater than the sum of its parts (see professors - I was paying attention). With the right upgrades and the right coach with the right system, this club could be competitive quickly. Stanley Cup next year - well, doubtful - but competitive yes. And from there you keep tweaking.

By LAC

April 19, 2008 6:29 AM | Link to this

This whole thing is really very, very sad to see.

What makes no sense, is waddell saying how much he loves the team… OK. Then with such an awful track record and no playoffs in the next 5 years, why doesn’t waddell do the honorable thing and step down ???

In recent interviews he seems confused and timid. He shows little regard for the real problems with this team and all he can keep saying is “moving forward”, but he offers no solid answers. He avoids tough pointed questions and seems out of touch with the entire aspect of running a professional hockey club.

While he may be a nice guy, he is not making tough calls on the team and it’s future and that bothers me most. He really acts like he does not care if we win or lose. He almost looks afrid to win, because he does not know how to win.

We need a WINNER !

Lastly these owners, where did these clowns come from ? If they ran their personal businesses like the Thrashers they would have gone out of business years ago. They have to be reasonably smart men, and why would smart men who are sucessful, allow the preception of failure pull them around by the nose. They can NOT be that closed minded… or can they ?

All season bloggers have done an OUTSTANDING job spelling out all of waddell’s failures and countless times from UFA’s to the draft and is a sad sad sad story we can all see.

It is now time for either waddell to do the correct thing and resign.

Failing to do so, the owners really and I mean really need to look at other possible GM’s and that would not be hard to do.

This team needs new leadership, waddell is stale and the thought of him rebuilding yet again… is what should scare everyone.

By tshumphreys

April 19, 2008 10:02 AM | Link to this

Hey we Do have identity BLUELAND whatever that means I don’t know, but they sure were proud of it. I’m going to do the wait and see thing next year. I’ll give thme a year to determine if it’s going to be worth reinvesting as a STH again.

By badhatharry

April 19, 2008 11:37 AM | Link to this

Craig:

I know you don’t want to be too negative but let’s face it the Thrashers are one BIG mess, from top to bottom. You start with the ownership (Burnside pretty much nailed it) Waddell is nice hard working guy who just seems way over his head, I can say with almost complete certainly he would not no still have his job with any other organization. And ownerships response that there was “too much to do” for them to change GM is laughable.

Then there the fact we have no coach, poor drafting, (the short sided trades late the end of last year that basicllly forfited our first round pick just to get sweep by the rangers did not help much either) which has lead to a lack of home grown talent helping the big club, questionable relationship with top minor league team, no identify, poor moral, unable to sign top player. I am sorry but it’s hard to spin that into something good.

The only chance is too bring in someone and start from scratch. Pick a style of play, find a coach to implement this type of play, draft and acquire players to fit the scheme, encourage minor league teams to play similar style.

By Mike

April 19, 2008 12:00 PM | Link to this

I agree with Sara that it shouldn’t take much to upgrade our roster.

I am excited about a full season of Little, Army, Kovy, Kozy, Thorburn, Perrin, Christensen. Hopefully we keep Recchi, resign Boulton, bring Dupuis back and let Larsen go. I would like to see LaVallee and Sterling get a shot. Maybe Stuart. I am also ok with losing Slater and Holik. Moving White down a few lines would be good too. Get us one top tier forward and and we should be able to place together 4 good lines.

Defensively, Enstrom, Valabik, Havelid are a good place to start. Spend the money to bring a Brian Campbell here and you have a solid 4. I honestly believe you can find 3 or 4 solid D between McCarthy, Exelby, Popovic, Klee, possibly Zhitnik in a contract year, and what we have in the minors. Ok…I know I will get blasted for saying that about Zhitnik, but it may be in our best interest to hope the new coach and him get along and he plays with a purpose. The reason…what team is going to take him with his salary? How much are we going to have to “add” to the deal to make it worth it to a team? The “adding” is what scares me as I don’t want to see DW give away too much AGAIN to cover up his mistake, i.e. not unloading Zhitnik at the deadline. Let Zhitnik know he is going to get 3rd line minutes at the start of the year unless he proves himself better than that. I would say having him and X on the 3rd line is not bad. I would also like to keep McCarthy and put him back on the power play where he was so successful when he first came here.

So, if we want to see some of the youth here in Atlanta, then I think we really only have the money for 1 top tier forward and 1 top tier defenseman considering we have to pray DW signs Kovy to a long term deal soon. I believe DW should give him a 10 year deal soon and show possible free agents that we are serious about keeping him here and building around him. It is the only way to change the negative opinion of this team after Hossa left (even though I believe DW got a good group of players for him).

By kracker

April 19, 2008 12:13 PM | Link to this

Welcome back, Craig. Thanks for staying on the job now that the season is over. And what a hefty blog entry. More than three screen’s worth!

So Holzapfel, Machacek and Esposito are in Chicago to just get a view of the pro game? I guess there’s not much ice time the Wolves can just give out to youngsters in the playoffs unless the lineup is thin at a particular spot. Hopefully they are getting work and pointers on what to improve on in the practice sessions.

Another Thrashers prospect, Arturs Kulda, is also in Chicago on an ATO. He was, however, getting (and earning) some ice time as of a week or so ago. Kulda had the opportunity to provide needed blue line depth and took advantage of it. Holly Gunning has a nice report on Kulda and lots of other prospects in Chicago on this thread:

Thrashers Prospects Annex

This thread appears to grow with each entry, so the articles on Espo, Kulda, Valabik, LaValee and many others are down the page. There are tons of pics too.

By kracker

April 19, 2008 1:01 PM | Link to this

Are we moving in the right direction yet?

Terry in Dahlonega , we were but we finished in 28th place instead of 30th. Now I’m just hoping DW keeps it simple and takes a top player with the 3rd pick instead of getting creative and trading down as he did in the 05 draft.

By Gary

April 19, 2008 1:48 PM | Link to this

Folks, the decision on DW will NOT be made until the Atlanta Hawks season is over. The Atlanta Spirit has their full attention on the Hawks right now. The decision on DW will be made after the Hawks season is over, but BEFORE the NHL draft.

Get your Hawks playoff tickets here… they are going fast!

http://www.2008hawksplayoffs.com/offers/april08/intro_flash.html

By Hockeyfan

April 19, 2008 1:52 PM | Link to this

*Craig ask the Don why they didnt have a STH at the draft lottery. * I mean did you misspoke or did the Don feel it more important to reward the people that have done such a fine job of scouting for us…

By Nikita

April 19, 2008 2:46 PM | Link to this

Sara, we’re very much in agreement about the general overall quality of the roster. The forward portion is fine, and with good coaching ought to really explode next year. Maybe we could use an additional marquee-quality center, but that’s all I’d suggest.

The D is another subject. I suggest we dump every D player we have who is over peak and under standard. That would mean Kiwi. We should also lose Stevie Mac, not because of what he’s capable of (which may be significant, if the last 8 games are any indication), but because you don’t reward 1.5 seasons of hideous play with a new contract.

I think we should NOT bring back Dupuis. He was good on the PK, but we’ve had no trouble replacing him there. He created a lot of scoring chances. But his hands suck, they’re not getting better, and he has delusions of being a top forward. Slater I’d like to see back.

I think we should think about trading Todd White, depending on how things look out of camp and the market for him. I like White, and I appreciate his two-way abilities. But I’m not sure where he will be useful. He’s clearly not first-line material, at least with Kovy. He’s too small for the 3rd or 4th, and the 2nd as it is can’t use him.

By kracker

April 19, 2008 3:48 PM | Link to this

OT: I wonder if DW is looking into 24-yr old Ville Leino? He looks to be a fit on some team next season as a signed player, not as a draftee. I’d take a look at him to replace White as a center.

Ville Leino

By ranallo10

April 19, 2008 6:03 PM | Link to this

Fabian Brunnstrom’s recent change of heart due to Nonis’ firing.

I can’t wait for the day when Atlanta is included in the list of teams a highly touted prospect is interested in.

Will that ever happen here? The teams mentioned are hockey markets, can we ever compete with them??

Many people feel that without Waddell a magic wand will be waved and Tier I UFAs (like Brunnstrom) will start coming en masse.

kracker — Another player I’m curious about is [Kristian Kuusela] (http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php3?pid%5B%5D=70478), an undrafted Finnish forward. I doubt Atlanta can attract such types of players, but it’d be nice to see one of them signed (and surely surprising).

By Brendan

April 19, 2008 7:18 PM | Link to this

In a couple of these series, the team enjoying a 3-1 series lead didn’t close out. Only the Rangers accomplished their mission in Game Five. Tonight, Boston tries to extend its series with Montreal to seven games. Philadelphia has let Washington up from off the mat. Game Six will be played in Philly. And … tomorrow … Dallas will try to eliminate the defending Stanley Cup Champions, the Anaheim Ducks. Dallas led this series, 3-1.

Later on, tonight, #6 Colorado will attempt to complete it’s upset of #3 Minnesota. Colorado finished the season nicely. They didn’t miss winning the division by all that much. The home ice situation hasn’t been a factor, as Colorado has twice won in Minneapolis. The Avs reacquired Forsberg and Foote to make this playoff run.

By kracker

April 19, 2008 7:44 PM | Link to this

Ranallo Are you thinking Atl can’t even attract undrafted Euro players? I don’t understand, the bidding can’t be that high, so why couldn’t we land a Leino or a similar player worthy if coming to the NHL? Please expand on your thinking.

This is where I don’t think DW has the necessary stones to be a Thrashers GM…to commit to a relative unknown that is ready to help the team…for Atl to be sucessful DW has to find some diamonds-in-the-rough type of players, although Leino isn’t some raw youngster, he is a fairly seasoned player in Europe.

By Brendan

April 19, 2008 10:50 PM | Link to this

I hope everyone got to see Game Six from Boston! What a wild one!! I know I’m not supposed to be happy for Marc Savard, but this was a fun game to watch. And Savvy got two assists.

It was 2-1, Montreal, after two periods. The Bruins tied it up, only to see Montreal re-take the lead, 3-2. Then Boston ties it up again. The BankNorth Garden starts going nuts. Then the Bruins take the lead!, with like 4:37 left in regulation. Off the drop of the puck, 11 seconds later, the Habs tie it, 4-4. Then, with just over 2:00 left, the Bruins get the winner. That’s four goals for Boston in the 3rd period. Boston 5, Montreal 4.

The Montreal media will be in a frenzy after this. I hope (rookie goaltender) Carey Price doesn’t read the morning paper. Montreal GM Bob Gainey’s decision to move Cristobal Huet for a 2nd round draft pick will get intense scrutiny with one more Montreal loss.

Boston is the #8 seed! Montreal took all sixteen-points (16-16) vs. Boston in the regular season. And if the Bruins win Game Seven, it’ll prove, once again, that what happens in the regular season doesn’t count for much. The last time these two teams met, Montreal was the #7 seed and Boston was #2. The Habs got down, 3-1, but rallied to win the series. Remarkably, it was the 1st time EVER that Montreal overcame a 3-1 series deficit. In 2002, the Habs were the #8 seed and Boston was #1, and again Montreal pulled the upset. These two playoff upsets ultimately contributed to the trade of Joe Thornton out of Boston.

So?

So Boston would LLLLOVE to get some revenge on Montreal, arguably the Bruins’ most hated rival. In case you’re curious, Boston and Montreal have met 30 times. Boston is 7-23, thus far. So, when was the last time Boston won a playoff series? Answer: 1994. Against????

Answer: Montreal. The Habs led that series, 3-2, but the Bruins took Games Six and Seven to win. That was 14 years ago. Hard to believe, isn’t it? In 1991 and 1992, Boston went to the Conference Finals. Both times, the Bruins lost to Pittsburgh. The Penguins then went on to win the Cup both years.

If the Bruins win the series with Montreal, their next opponent will be Pittsburgh, the #2 seed. That is certain. Pittsburgh has to like the history of that “matchup.” The last two times they defeated Boston, they were en route to winning a Cup.

History repeating itself? Yeah Brendan, Montreal hasn’t been eliminated yet. Hmmn. Good point. Thrasher Ryan has got the Bruins in that series. Maybe he nailed it?

By Ben

April 19, 2008 11:04 PM | Link to this

I truely am at a loss over the drugs/Snyder situation. I wasn’t aware that drugs were an issue in this NHL. So to say that you don’t suffer from a non issue is crazy talk. Remember this, he chose to trade the Heater, he was here for like 5 years. I think Snyder’s death affected him a little more than he ever let on.

By LAC

April 20, 2008 12:53 AM | Link to this

Good point ranallo, I do not believe, as you, that simply firing waddell will attrach prize UFA’s.

It would become a work in progress to rebuild the stature of the franchise, to the point of winning on a regular basis, then seeing us be a good team, would at least, make players more than just consider us at a team to play for and one that has a chance to win in the playoffs.

With the current state of affairs and the status quo… we really have ZERO hope of signing any top UFA’s The Hossa thing pretty much killed that for us.

I just hope things change, because we… The fans deserve much better than the misguided mess we had this past season, Really !

By A.S.

April 20, 2008 1:18 AM | Link to this

Glad to see your back!

I was wondering where the Thrashers articles have been the past few weeks, then all the sudden Bradley pops in an writes an article. Anyways there is not reason to sound upset that your speaking poorly of the team. We had an awful season! Possibly one of the worst seasons in our franchise history. We go from making the playoffs to becoming one of the NHLs worst teams! D.W. is a joke and must be removed from the franchise. Do the owners seriously still wonder why we do not have a “identity?: Its because of Waddel!

By ranallo10

April 20, 2008 3:24 AM | Link to this

kracker — Ranallo Are you thinking Atl can’t even attract undrafted Euro players? I don’t understand, the bidding can’t be that high, so why couldn’t we land a Leino or a similar player worthy if coming to the NHL? Please expand on your thinking.

I don’t believe that when an undrafted and unrestricted player decides to make the jump from their national league to the NHL that the player decides to come to a non-traditional hockey market just for the sake of playing NHL hockey.

I would compare this to a Japanese player joining the MLB…the teams that OFTEN win the bidding on such players are HUGE markets (NY or Boston), or one with a large Japanese contingent (Seattle). When did the Braves last sign a Japanese free agent?

If I were an unrestricted Finnish hockey player, playing at the top of my respective league, and knew that I could make money in the NHL playing for any team I choose…I wouldn’t single out Atlanta (or any team in their division) as THE franchise I’d like to play for. I’d pick Detroit, Ottawa, Toronto, one of the New Yorks, or Boston. I’d be choosing based on hockey tradition, the market, and the quality of the team.

For us (fans) to know about these players, they’re bigger than a run of the mill UFA…and those types of players will choose Toronto over Atlanta 99% of the time. Of course, that’s my opinion.

So, though I’d love to see a player of their caliber (proven international abilities, but unproven North American abilities) come to Atlanta, I highly doubt such a coups would happen anytime soon.

By Tony C.

April 20, 2008 8:33 AM | Link to this

Who knows?

Maybe our Finn and Swedes could talk to them ranallo-of course that might be exactly why they would choose not to sign here.

By Hanson Brothers

April 20, 2008 9:25 AM | Link to this

Brendan - the last time Boston won a playoff series was 1999 against Carolina, not 1994 against Montreal.

By Brendan

April 20, 2008 12:27 PM | Link to this

Right you are, Hanson Brothers. I was waiting to see how long it would take for someone to catch that. Well done, sir. You win the prize. (But, I determined what that is just yet.) That was the only series Boston ever won with Joe Thornton.

By Jim

April 20, 2008 1:08 PM | Link to this

Continuing good job, Craig. Great to have someone objective on the Thrashers scene. Donnie wants an identify. What the ??????. I want more ability, grit, guts, defensive awareness. The playoffs are a perfect example of what teams need to pattern themselves after- total team effort with a strong emphasis on physical play and good goaltending. Donnie Boy- take a look at the Caps-Flyers series.

By ranallo10

April 20, 2008 1:57 PM | Link to this

True Tony C., but would the words of Toby Enstrom and Niclas Havelid resound louder than the words of Henrik Zetterberg and Nicklas Lidstrom? Plus the current state of this team would mean they’re coming to the NHL to play for a bad team, where they could sign with Detroit or Toronto and instantly be on a much better team.

But I’ve gotten this feeling that the scouts don’t recommend these players to Waddell, so Waddell is not aggressively pursuing these types of players.

By kracker

April 20, 2008 8:20 PM | Link to this

I think DW is voting in the current poll. It should be at least 75% for a new GM, IMO. A competent GM (with willing owners) can fix the other three choices in the poll.

By Tony C.

April 20, 2008 10:11 PM | Link to this

Oh yeah,

Maybe what DW is hinting at is that perhas some of the players who were traded/not re-signed had some substance abuse issues.

Oh, and yall don’t think that hockey players drink A LOT-C’mon!!!

Or at least go ask the bartender’s up @ Luby’s…..they’ve got some stories.

By Hanson Brothers

April 20, 2008 11:17 PM | Link to this

Thanks Brendan. Since you have not decided my prize yet I will give you a choice, in my order of preference. A new GM, a first line D man, or a center who can finish in the top 10 in assists. If you can get me all 3 that would be even better.

By Thrashniac

April 21, 2008 9:27 AM | Link to this

Hey Craig, welcome back - everybody deserves a little down time - hope it was enjoyable.

Do you have any plans to interview Holik about the season? You possibly could get better answers after July 1 and he has fully cut ties with the organization, but I would like to hear his take on all of this. Was Holik part of the problem with the players tuning him out? not responding to him? What was going on before the season when there was a delay in naming a Captain - does that indicate a rift beginning between Holik/Hartley/Waddell/the team that led to the erratic play this season?

On another front, DW’s comments to Bradley about how Philly turned it around quickly and you can do the same in the new NHL, need to be qualified I believe because so many of the players you want to change out are under contract for next year like Zhitnik, Larsen, Exelby, Klee - how is DW going to handle that is a big area for discussion in my mind.

Finally, I’m very concerned about getting free agents of any magnitude interested in being here - I don’t see it unless they’re looking for a reclamation project to be part of and just pickup a paycheck.

Just the ramblings of a former season ticket holder. Keep up the good work.

By Nikita

April 21, 2008 10:38 AM | Link to this

Maybe what DW is hinting at is that perhas some of the players who were traded/not re-signed had some substance abuse issues.

Seriously, ya’ll…does anybody know what’s up with Esposito? Some of the commenters on his behavior STRONGLY suggested that his issues are personal, not professional, and they are significant.

Dan Snyder died in a car accident caused by someone who had been drinking. I wouldn’t go any further than that in assuming anything.

…so many of the players you want to change out are under contract for next year like Zhitnik, Larsen, Exelby, Klee - how is DW going to handle that is a big area for discussion in my mind.

Where did Craig say he wanted to trade those specific players? I think both your statement here and DW are not thinking correctly on this. DW says he’s looking for a #3 and #4 — he needs to be looking for a #1 and #2. That would leave us on D with #1, #2, #3 Enstrom, #4 Havelid. Then Klee, Zhit, and Exelby (ranked in order of their stats) are under contract. Plus we have the option of resigning Popovic and Kiwi (I think we should at minimum release Kiwi), and Valabik in Chi-town.

That could actually make a huge difference for us. If we had an ironclad first D line playing opposite Kovy (since he’s not really two-way, but with the proper setup could be killing Ovie next year), the Swedish Second paired with the P&Ps (who are decent on defense, and have a combined scoring potential of about 100 points), and then the Brute Squad (which could be any combination of our remaining players as long as the weakest don’t play together) opposite the third and 4th, we’d do fine. Or maybe switch the Swedish Second and the Brute Squad, to complement the speed and defensiveness of the P&Ps and possibly elevate the third to an actual scoring line.

I’m assuming that we’re keeping Zhit given that DW hasn’t showcased him. Hopefully when he comes back from the summer he’ll be ready to play to his capabilities. And I’ll say it again: I like Klee. I’d like to continue to have him on the team in a role that requires his playing less minutes because we actually have other players who are capable of picking up the slack, though. He’s not meant to play as much or as highly as he’s been required to. Also, if we keep Pops, we should probably try to actually play him so we can find out if he has NHL capability or not. Maybe we bring up another Wolf? Maybe we pick up another backup in trade? All of that is dependent on how the guys return from Summer.

Finally, I’m very concerned about getting free agents of any magnitude interested in being here -

Those who are easiest to get a) will come at a premium, b) will be veterans relatively close (at least halfway) to the end of their careers. I would think that the ideal people for us to pick up would be veterans who are relatively young (30ish), have a Cup ring (so aren’t reliant on Atlanta to establish their cred), and want to juice their playing time and value by playing in Atlanta — deal sweetened by playoff potential. I would think that our coach selection will be a huge factor in how successful we are in getting them.

By Thrasher Ryan

April 21, 2008 11:12 AM | Link to this

Dan Snyder died in a car accident caused by someone who had been drinking. I wouldn’t go any further than that in assuming anything.

See Nikita, this is where you are DEAD wrong. Dany had 1 beer at a Team Dinner. That’s it. He was NOT drunk. This was proven in Fulton County Court.

I cannot believe some of you people continue to spout out your ignorance like that.

Heatley was sober. He was driving too fast and reckless, sure. But he was NOT drunk.

Guess that shows how much you truly know about this team…

By d

April 21, 2008 1:36 PM | Link to this

CC, one question regarding your research on the Wolves/Thrashers relationhip: does the independence between the two clubs reduce the amount of capital that the ASG has to invest in its farm system? In other words, would an parent/farm organization structured similar to Detroit require a greater investment from the ASG? If not, how did the autonomy between the parent and farm team originally develop?

Separately, have you considered writing an article on the Thrasher alum’s that are in the playoff’s? Metro, Savard, Coburn, Hndiy, Devries, Dupuis, etc.? Oh yeah, Hossa.

My adopted playoff team for ‘08 - the Stars - looked fantastic in the third period last night!

By GaVaHokie

April 21, 2008 2:14 PM | Link to this

Habs inside/out site invites ALL Hotlanta to a Hoe Down tonight starting at six. We have somehow been forced into a game seven in our quest to the Cup, and need some more fan support. We offer a trivia show, prizes, games and guests, so drop Hee Haw for one night, get that straw from between your teeth, wash up, and come join us tonight.

By Nikita

April 21, 2008 2:16 PM | Link to this

Heatley had been drinking — he hadn’t been drinking much. His breathalayzer results are as stated, and public record. The major contributing factor in the crash was speed. And there is zero basis, as far as I know, for bringing drugs into the discussion at all. Which was my point. Thanks for playing.

By Sam

April 21, 2008 2:37 PM | Link to this

Team identity? I’m not surprised they don’t have one. I think Don was building one kind of team and Hartley wanted to coach another kind. Take re-signing McCarthy last summer after Bob sat Mac a long time in the Spring. Then there’s the differences Bob had with Ilya. You knew how that was going to end, right? Never cross the franchise superstar (and I side with Ilya on that one, for sure) or try to put him in a box. My point is the GM and coach were differing on the team’s system/focus/identity. Don liked where Bob was going intially, but later…not so much. I imagine Don’s going to be more careful with the next coaching hire. I think he was intially starstruck by Hartley and his Stanley Cup pedigree. But the more he got to know him…the less Bob’s system optimized Kovy and failed to nurture youth…the more Don and Bob parted ways. It didn’t happen soon enough for me.

By T-Bone

April 21, 2008 2:39 PM | Link to this

DW is a boob, and everytime he opens his mouth it just reinforces that fact. He came here Day One espousing to pattern this team after the dominant Red Wings teams he was an assistant GM for. Trouble is, as an expansion team, we didn’t have nearly the talent in the roster or coaching staff to skate, shoot and defend anything like the Wings. He purposely chose a “system” that was doomed to fail and is still failing due to lack of any real improvement in those aforementioned areas. What’s really sad is watching the playoffs and seeing hockey played at such a high level and knowing we are still years from that type of play here.

By Thrasher Ryan

April 21, 2008 2:53 PM | Link to this

Nikita—I’m sorry, but you are wrong. Heatley was NOT drunk. If he was drunk, why was he NOT charged with a DUI? Why was the court case revolved around whether or not to charge him with vehicular manslaughter? Why did Fulton County DA Paul Howard go lenient on Dany after hundreds of Thrasher fans begged him to do so?

What was his breathalyzer reading?

Where can it be found?

And can you cite sources for anything you just said?

Just so you know, this is deeply personal topic to many Thrasher fans, so be careful about what you are trying to imply.

I don’t care either way; Heater’s gone and he’s never coming back here. Same with Hossa.

So please cite your “sources” and we can end this discussion. Otherwise, you are full of “hearsay”.

By Nikita

April 21, 2008 3:04 PM | Link to this

Ryan, it appears you can’t read. I’ll leave it at that.

Never cross the franchise superstar (and I side with Ilya on that one, for sure) or try to put him in a box.

Sam, talk to me about this. What kind of coaching do you see Ilya doing best with?

By Thrasher Ryan

April 21, 2008 3:12 PM | Link to this

Nikita, please cite your sources and provide links, if applicable. I’ll leave it at that.

By Nikita

April 21, 2008 3:20 PM | Link to this

I’m sorry, I don’t respond to orders, and even if I did I’m under no obligation to clarify statements for people who seem incapable of comprehending them. Also, I’m sure you have the same magical ability to google that I do — Heatley’s BAC was featured in any number of news reports.

By ranallo10

April 21, 2008 3:24 PM | Link to this

Thrasher Ryan — I understand your defensive stance on this Heatley topic, but do re-read her original statement. She said “Dan Snyder died in a car accident caused by someone who had been drinking. I wouldn’t go any further than that in assuming anything.” That’s accurate, no? One drink is “drinking”, and he had one drink.

She said she wasn’t assuming anything (implying the cause of the wreck was proven to not be due to alcohol, though drinking had been involved in the entire scope of the situation).

So basically, you’re in agreement with her, she’s just being as technical as possible regarding the situation.

Nikita — (Regarding Sam’s statement)…I’d agree, and I would site several coaches who have offensive/scoring talents who are underutilized in a defensive system. Columbus and Nash/Zherdev. Minnesota and Gaborik/Koivu. New Jersey and Gionta/Elias. All of these players are good, top caliber scoring (Koivu is proving it, he’s still improving too), but currently play for defensive minded teams. I don’t feel their talents are properly utilized in the type of system they are playing in, and thus they are performing far below their ceiling.

Nash is a maybe, because he is a powerforward type player (thus the physical game doesn’t hinder his style of play)…but I think he could blossom under a different offensive system.

So yeah, I agree with Sam, get a coach who’s got the BEST system that would fully utilize Kovalchuk’s scoring abilities, while not severely undermining the defensive side of the puck. Looking at the scoring in Chicago, I’d wager Anderson knows a thing or two about properly utilizing scoring talents.

And unfortunately I can’t quote or site this, but I remember Anderson backtalking Waddell when Sterling was sent down because DW wanted Sterling to become a more complete two-way player. Anderson said something to the effect of “he’s a goal scorer, why would I teach him to do anything else??”. Personally, I agree with Sterling’s type of play…there’s no need to teach him to be defensively conscious when he’s a top level scorer, because that’s what the other 5 teammates on the ice can be used for.

Proper utilization of the current talents on the roster. That’s all I’m looking for in the next Atlanta Thrashers Head Coach.

By Thrasher Ryan

April 21, 2008 5:43 PM | Link to this

Ranallo—Point taken. I DO get defensive on that subject, that’s why I find it very ignorant of her to make a statement like that. Not only that, but she can’t even back up her assumptions with “sources”.

I have read it. And re-read it. With her choice of words, she is implying that drinking caused the wreck, when it in fact DID NOT.

Sure, she could have said “Snyder died in a car wreck… the driver had a beer earlier in the night, but the crash was NOT alcohol-related” but she did not. With her choice of words she is making it seem as if alcohol caused the wreck.

Too many times I find myself reading posts of hers where she talks of “sources”, but I have yet to see one of these actual sources cited as reference.

Nikita—I used to be a former hockey player, so I have taken my fair share of pucks and sticks to the head, but I do know how to read. I find it quite immature of you to resort to childish antics like this when all I was trying to do was to get you to clarify your remark. Seriously, there is no need for hateful remarks like that.

That’s all I have to say about this topic. Carry on, all.

By Nikita

April 21, 2008 10:02 PM | Link to this

“Used to be a former hockey player?” You still are one, right? I mean, till you die you’ll be a former hockey player.

Man, these last few playoff games have been awesome. Just watched Habs/Boston.

Anyone want to take bets on whether Anderson is our new coach? I’ll put $50 on it.

Ranallo (and Sam), I remain pretty ambivalent about Kovy. With great capability comes great additional investment, and I’m not sure this team knows how to support Kovy. That said, I’d love to see Kovy supported — I’d love to see that happen alongside at least two other credible scoring lines, too. What do you think the ideal line is for Kovy? Do you think we have the talent, or do we need to recruit it?

By Brendan

April 21, 2008 11:46 PM | Link to this

… And the Habs fans go wild … for eliminating the #8 seed. Okayyy, they’re happy they are moving on, irrespective of the seed of their opposition. But seriously, in a 16-mile marathon … who needs to add a 3-mile detour? I like the Rangers over the Habs in Round II. If it’s Philly, I haven’t made up my mind yet. Flyers-Habs would be a good series.

By The Right Direction

April 22, 2008 1:14 AM | Link to this

Maybe the drug/substance abuse problem DW was talking about was Bruce Levenson’s drinking problem.

What DW meant to say was, “Our players are on the straight and narrow but one of our owners is drunk out of his mind, how else do you think I keep this job.”

By Remie

April 22, 2008 1:38 AM | Link to this

NASCARDAVE - you’ve been smelling your exhaust fumes again! You are delusional!!!!!!

By d

April 22, 2008 8:21 AM | Link to this

Brendan, the Habs fans are fearing a second round match against the Crapitals. They are concerned that their former #1 goalie, Huet, will play over his head in an effort to discredit his former team’s decision to trade him to Washington. I think the Habs prefer to play the Flyers in round 2.

By Nikita

April 22, 2008 8:33 AM | Link to this

Hmmm. I think Habs/Flyers will be better match. and I think Washington is going down no matter who they play, if they make it to the second round. The Flyers are not Cup contenders, but they do play holistically solid hockey. The Capitals, not so much. Scoring capability is uneven, and they’ll pay for it.

By Craig Custance

April 22, 2008 9:58 AM | Link to this

hockeyfan: According to the Thrashers, they sent a STH to the draft for the whole experience and everything but the TV coverage wanted to go another route with team representatives.

Thrashniac: I’ll give Bobby a call when July gets closer, no rush right now. Nothing has changed since I chatted with him after the season. He was actually really good, I’ll blog about that in a few days.

d: I’ll get into that in the story, but yes, there are financial advantages to keeping the relationship with Chicago. As for former Thrashers, we’ll see about that one, maybe round two.

By Thrasher Ryan

April 22, 2008 11:16 AM | Link to this

I used to be a former hockey player

Damn, the grammar cops caught me! It should read either “I used to be a hockey player” or “I am a former hockey player”.

See Nikita, sometimes those pucks and stick whacks to the head can mess up a persons grammar/syntax/writing skills! Oh well.

GO FLAMES!!!

By Chuck

April 22, 2008 12:37 PM | Link to this

Anyone hear about the “Fake” mIKE kNUBLE INJURY, AND HE WAS SUPPOSEDELY PAID SOME MONEY BY “outside sources”?? wE REALLY NEED TO INVESTIGATE THIS, AS WITH ALL THE BAD OFFICIATING, NOW THIS, SOMETHING IS GOING ON.

By Hockeyfan

April 22, 2008 2:30 PM | Link to this

Craig you would think that the Thrashers would have publicized it. Maybe send out a press release or put it on their website or…

By Alan

April 22, 2008 3:00 PM | Link to this

Hockeyfan - It was announced at the Fan Appreciation game.

By Brendan

April 22, 2008 3:14 PM | Link to this

The Capitals cannot play Montreal unless it’s in the Conference Finals. The Caps are the #3 seed. Montreal is #1. And the #5 seed, NY Rangers, advanced over #4 New Jersey. So, even if the Capitals win, the Habs will face the Rangers in the next round, while the hockey world gets its FANTASY come true, Ovechkin and his #3 Capitals face Crosby and his #2 Penguins.

If the #6 Flyers win, they get #1 Montreal next. That sets up the #2 Penguins vs. the #5 NY Rangers.

By ThrashersFan

April 22, 2008 3:15 PM | Link to this

I think the Dan Snyder comments are very important to the history of this franchise. How can you not bring that up when we lost not only an up and coming player, but Dany Heatley wanted to get away from it all because of it.

Because of that tragedy, we lost Snyder, Heatley and Hossa in the end. Think of where our franchise would be with Heatley still on the ice with Kovy after all of these years…

By Russian

April 22, 2008 3:23 PM | Link to this

I want to see Ovy vs Crosby. It will be Great Show. !!!!

By Brendan

April 22, 2008 3:56 PM | Link to this

ThrashersFan, I agree with your post. The Snyder event does have a “ripple effect” on the franchise. But truly, the team has turned the corner from that tragedy. That is, it is not constantly and on some daily basis, something that haunts this roster. Spiritually and emotionally, I would think that event is behind them.

Just to play Devil’s advocate for a moment, and remember that I AGREE with ThrashersFan’s post, but let’s say … for the sake of argument … that Hossa and Heatley are exact “equals.” (I don’t think they are, for clarification. Moving right along.) Let’s say the team with Heatley in Hossa’s role still finished 27th. And, “fed up” with the direction of the franchise, Heatley declared his intentions of hitting the open market come July 1st, as an unrestricted free agent. And that, all season long, we patiently waited for Heatley and Waddell to come to terms. Unable to reach an accord, Waddell trades the very player he drafted 2nd overall in 2000, in an “asset salvaging” mission.

Now what? Aren’t we, still, exactly in the same boat?

In this scenario, is Heatley public enemy #1??? We all hate him?? It’s his fault the team hasn’t succeeded? He’s being an overbearing “primadonna” for wanting a Tier I center for his line? Or, is the real problem not at “ice level, but up in the rafters?” Yes, this means the GM position, with blame spread all the way up to the ownership, as well.

Comments? Thoughts?

By ranallo10

April 22, 2008 4:49 PM | Link to this

Brendan — That’s an interesting stretch to get your point across that Waddell’s more to blame than an accident involving young men. I’ll comment on the situation when it presents itself, otherwise it’s useless to discuss where this team COULD have been had Heatley remained in Atlanta.

For all we know, everything could’ve been different, or nothing could’ve been different. It seems rather useless to discuss it.

By NASCAR Dave

April 22, 2008 5:30 PM | Link to this

Don FRAUDell been fired yet???

Is he DONE Waddell yet???

NUFF SAID.

By R. Stroz

April 22, 2008 6:03 PM | Link to this

From a Jeff Schultz article

Don Waddell says the Thrashers are “a couple of players away” from being a competitor. And I agree: Sidney Crosby and Nicklas Lidstrom. Other than that, I would say the team is one general manager away.

Schultz shoots, he scores!

By Nikita

April 22, 2008 8:45 PM | Link to this

Actually, before I paid detailed attention to the Thrash, my opinion was that they were cursed. It’s fun to blame DW, but let’s face it — the Thrash have had a few punishing seasons. So…they sucked. Then they were gearing up to kick a*. LOCKOUT!!!!! They sucked….started kicking a*. Snyder tragedy. Heatley injured, and then miserable. Some building…then trade, trade, trade. So now we’re at suck again.

The good news is that if the right coach comes in, the talent is already about 90% there. So let’s hope that happens post haste.

By Tony C.

April 22, 2008 10:38 PM | Link to this

On a completely different note, I was re-watching Game 6 DAL vs. ANA…and it struck me as the last 2min. wound down-well two things really: 1) I love watching Chris Pronger loose. 2) What an incredibly touching and overlooked NHL moment Scott Neidermayer’s swan song was. Seriously, go back and watch the last 2 minutes of that game-it was vintage Scott Neidermayer-I almost wanted Anaheim to come back just so I could watch him in action again.

By Brendan

April 22, 2008 11:54 PM | Link to this

Actually Renallo, it was ThrashFan’s point to discuss where this franchise could be with Heatley still in its fold. Not mine. I was commenting on his comment.

By Sara

April 23, 2008 6:11 AM | Link to this

Something getting overlooked in the Heater vs Hossa discussion. Coming off the lockout, Heatley cost about $3 mill less than Hossa plus we wouldn’t have had DeVries here either. That extra roster and cap space could have had major implications.

By Big Al

April 23, 2008 7:53 AM | Link to this

Thrasher Ryan Nikita Sara Ranallo Brendan While I know that its a bad thought that our star player at the time (Dany) did kill Snydes while under the influence (1 or 10 drinks is irrelevant! It might not have been .08 but it definitely wasn’t .00) Dany’s future in Atlanta from that point forward was doomed. Both as a player and as a human being.

Thrasher Ryan to clarify a point - Dany did NOT have a drink at a Team Event that night (STH Faceoff) he went to the Tavern at Phipps AFTER the Team Event and ordered a pitcher of beer (with Snydes, Kovy, a few others) then an hour or so later drove down Lenox Rd, and killed his buddy while Driving Recklessly

By ThrashersFan

April 23, 2008 8:48 AM | Link to this

Brenden and all,

My only point about bringing up the Heatley situation was in reference to DW’s wierd comment. It hasn’t been easy to actually establish this franchise at times and that certainly didn’t help.

I totally agree that the team probably doesn’t think about the Heatley/Snyder tragedy at all these days, but in terms of personnel and “5 year plans” it put a huge dent in the team.

DW is not blameless for sure. Last years latch ditch effort to get to the playoffs will hurt our blueline for years to come. DW has a history of getting rid of top talent it seems. Looking around the playoffs I keep seeing all these former Thrashers playing decent roles…

I think we will be back in the mix next year though - you never know who is coming up or going down post lockout.

By LAC

April 23, 2008 10:17 AM | Link to this

Why don’t these IDIOT owners just firehim and then we can have some real positive issues to explore here, Now that would be fun !!!!!

By Old Timer

April 23, 2008 11:11 AM | Link to this

Most of the great players have had another player of almost equal talent. Bossy had Trottier, Gretzky had Kurri, Lemieux had Jagr, Lecavalier has St. Louis. Kovy had Heatley. Not making any accusations, but the result of the incident and the ripple effect has left Kovy alone. Say what you want, but with Heatley and Kovy together and building on them, where would we be now? Of course, if we want to go down that road, let’s start with where we would be if Damian “Groin Pull” Rhodes had made it out of the training room.

By David

April 23, 2008 1:14 PM | Link to this

here’s to the ovechkin media love-fest being over for the year

By R. Stroz

April 23, 2008 1:41 PM | Link to this

Old Timer - Kovy has Charmin.

By Craig Custance

April 23, 2008 2:01 PM | Link to this

David - What was not to love?

By Brendan

April 23, 2008 2:11 PM | Link to this

These are interesting discussions. If we’re to go back down memory lane … suppose we refuse to accept Lehtonen with the #2 overall pick in 2002. We either get Jay Bouwmeester (most unlikely) or we get Rick Nash (the more likely of the two, since Florida wanted Bouwmeester). Now, look at it from THAT perspective. Heatley/Hossa is out of the picture, but Nash and Kovalchuk remain. The issue then became … what to do about a goaltender? And you’d have to look at at 2002, 2003, 2004 to see what free agent netminders were available. Then go from there.

I want to say this. Nobody ever said being a GM was EASY. A lot of times, a GM has to make a decision, often at a moment’s notice, with “imperfect data.” The GM just does the best job he can. In 1993, Alexandre Daigle was the 1st overall selection by Ottawa. It was a total bust. But did it “doom” the Ottawa Senators franchise? Well, six of eight years as a “100-point” franchise and something like nine straight appearances says, “heck no.”

It’s possible to overcome adversity, relatively quickly.

How so?

Well, just because it’s current, let’s examine the Philadelphia Flyers. Here is a team, that just LAST SEASON, finished 30th out of 30 teams. This season, their goal was to make the playoffs.

Did they do it? Answer: Yes.

Did they get swept out of the playoffs? Answer: No, they won their playoff series vs. Washington, and generated 3 home games worth of gate revenue for their owner, and will generate a minimum of 5 home games’ worth of revenue.

How did they do it? Answer: They conceived a “plan” of selling off assets. They targeted the Nashville Predators. It began with the sale of Peter Forsberg. That got them Ryan Parent, a draft pick, and Scottie Upshall. Then they got Timmonen. They moved Zhitnik for Braydon Coburn. Still at the trade deadline, they moved a 2nd round pick for Marty Biron, from the Sabres. They cultivated draft picks M. Richards and J. Carter. They had Niittymaki in net, as well. In free agency, they got V. Prospal and Scotty Hartnell. They aggressively targeted Daniel Briere as a coveted free agent, also. And they held on to Simon Gagne, who I believe is hurt. So is Derian Hatcher.

Philly is a traditional hockey market, so perhaps they had some advantage there. GM Paul Holmgren really does deserve a lot of credit. He took them from the depths of despair, into a “hopeful” situation with offseason moves, to the euphoria of a Game Seven overtime series win. And beyond.

Are any of us betting our paychecks that the Flyers will not defeat the Canadiens in the next round, and reach the Conference Finals?

By David

April 23, 2008 2:15 PM | Link to this

He’s a great player, don’t get me wrong. But you know it’s gone overboard when the Versus pregame commentary doesn’t even mention the other team. Plus those Ovechkin commercials were horrible. The end should have been “and there’s a first….first round exit”.

He’s just one player, and it’s a team sport.

By ranallo10

April 23, 2008 2:34 PM | Link to this

Custance — His teeth…that’s all I could come up with.

By Brendan

April 23, 2008 2:44 PM | Link to this

Sara, Heatley’s contract and Kovy’s were both coming due at the same time. Kovalchuk was a holdout and missed training camp in 2005. Hossa had likewise failed to come to terms with Ottawa, until the trade for Heatley materialized with Atlanta. Hossa got 3-years/$18 million, for a “cap hit” of $6.0 million per season. Heatley got 3-years/$13.5 million, for a “cap hit” of $4.5 million.” Kovalchuk got a 5-years/$32.5 million contract, for a “cap hit” of $6.5 million.

The major shaping influence of this “era” of contracts was Columbus’ GM, Doug MacLean, offering his start player, Rick Nash, a 5-year/$27.5 million contract. At the time, it was a bit over-inflated for Nash. And it drove up the cost of signing Kovalchuk. Yeah, MacLean was not well-loved by the “GM Fraternity” after that move.

Signing Heatley and Kovalchuk, prior to the lockout, might have been a wiser course of action. But, I can appreciate Don Waddell’s stance NOT to do that, because he didn’t know what the cap situation would be, even with 24% “rollback” of salary.

I am being “quite fair” to Waddell in saying that. Could both Heatley and Kovalchuk be had on 5-year/$25-27 million contracts? I don’t know. But I “think” it could. Heatley’s contract would have to be discounted somewhat, since he was coming off an eye injury and the car wreck injury to his knee and jaw.

Obviously, Don Waddell wasn’t driving the Ferrari. It’s not his fault. Even remotely. But many feel that Hossa was the “better, more complete” player. And that Greg deVries was a “better, more complete player” than Dan Snyder. If you are of that “mindset,” then you probably believe GM Waddell not only OVERCAME, but SURPASSED the “Snyder tragedy.” Even the driver of the vehicle was gone. And better players came from his trade.

And yet, the 2007-08 results of the team led us to 27th place. Why? How come? Is it really because of the “Heatley accident/Snyder tragedy?” Or something more.

By ranallo10

April 23, 2008 2:52 PM | Link to this

Brendan — The owner of the Philadelphia Flyers (Ed Snider) is on the competition committee…do you feel this gives him an advantage that others do not have?

The GMs on that committee currently are Poile (Nashville), Gainey (Montreal), Lowe (Edmonton), and Waddell.

By Brendan

April 23, 2008 3:07 PM | Link to this

Ranallo, Paul Holmgren ultimately has to make the decisions. Lest he be some “lackey” GM figurehead, when the owner is really the GM. Aside from that situation, Holmgren is the one charged with making the “hockey decisions.” Holmgren has scouts, too. But the guy who meanders up to the podium is the one who ultimately makes the selections on draft day. The GM is ultimately the one who “manages the roster.” Let’s say the owner comes to him with information derived from the competition committee. The GM has to look at his “cap situation” and decide who must go to add the player(s) he wants, for example.” It may just be … that it cannot be done. And so forth. Every team has to abide by the cap. Every team has to sell tickets, too.

Let’s just say that to add “Player X” or “Players X and Y, and maybe even Z.” GM Holmgren must jettison Niittymaki or Simon Gagner. Is it “worth doing?” Also, was the competition committee information ratified? Or merely proposed? And what was the mood in the room on the proposals? And so forth.

By ranallo

April 23, 2008 5:09 PM | Link to this

Amen, brother. No candidate for Fire on Ice, that Ovechkin. I’m really glad the Flyers won, though I think either team would have gotten smushed by the Habs. The difference is that the Flyers have a greater depth and diffusion of talent — I think they’ll do better.

As an aside, Briere is Perrin-sized. Seems a midget boy can survive.

By NASCAR Dave

April 23, 2008 5:22 PM | Link to this

Everyone needs to remember NASCAR Dave’s philosophy…

Step 1: Cut ALL UFA’s loose! None of those losers are worth bringing back, at ANY price!!!

Step 2: Hire John Anderson as Head Coach.

Step 3: Do NOT sign any new players who are shorter than 6’0”.

Step 4: Do NOT sign any new players who are older than 30 years old.

Step 5: FIRE Don FRAUDell and make him DONE Waddell.

Step 6: Hire any competent GM. Any of them other than DWAD is a step in the right direction.

Step 7: Sign KOVALCHUK to 15 Year Deal.

(Editor’s Note): Step 7 CANNOT be completed unless Steps 5 & 6 are completed first. That is the ONLY way Step 7 happens here in Atlanta.

NUFF SAID.

By ranallo10

April 23, 2008 5:51 PM | Link to this

Apparently I’ve got a relative on these boards…at least he/she spelled my name right this time.

Brendan — My question was more food for thought, as two of the GMs on the committee have been blasted by their contemporaries, and the other two are pillars for how a GM should handle many varieties of adversity.

I hear what you’re saying about the GM’s duties, but you do realize not all GMs fit that role (final decision maker over personnel decisions), right? How often have you heard a Steinbrenner quoted about incorrect utilization of a player, or of monies? (A relevant answer, in case you’re not a baseball fan, is that Stammerin’ Hank just recently did such a thing about his young prospect pitcher, Joba the Hut)

My point is that not all GMs are given the freedom to make such a move. What made Holmgren go from the GM of a franchise that finished last, to that of the GM of a team beating the number 3 seed in the first round of the playoffs?? It’s quite simple, the owner decided to spend AS MUCH AS IT TOOK to bring his team into the playoffs.

Can you say all GMs have such a gracious owner(s)? No. I know you can’t say all GMs would be able to create such a turnaround in fortunes simply by having money thrown their way, but it definitely can’t hurt, right?

Nonis was recently fired for not producing at the level the owner wanted, yet he admitted he would do nothing differently (in regards to leading his team to where they ended up). A contributing factor for his dismissal was the non-acquisition of Brad Richards. Nonis believed he wasn’t worth mortgaging the future (Edler was mentioned, as was Burrows), where the owner apparently felt the opposite of the situation. A fine GM was thus fired, because the owner felt he didn’t properly utilize the players and money at his disposal (among other things).

As for the competition committee question, I think it’s all a bunch of crap that people think the GMs have an advantage by being on that committee. As we’ve said previously, there are many things thrown around and possibly even voted on, and it’s impossible for a GM to make proactive moves based on the topics discussed at every committee meeting.

By Brendan

April 23, 2008 6:34 PM | Link to this

Well, if the case of “govern-by-committee,” they ought to “fire-by-committee” as well. If the “GM, along for the ride” is the one who gets BLAMED, then it’s not a healthy situation for the next GM coming in.

This is what the INTERVIEW is all about. Yeah, don’t take a job where you don’t have authority and WILL GET BLAMED if the real GM (the owner)’s moves go south.

There will be an interview process going on for a Head Coach this Summer, for Atlanta. And if, as Gary, the Hawks fan suggests, Waddell’s situation isn’t settled, then there could even be GM Interviews. The very first thing the GM candidate should ask is … “How much control do I really have? I need to know that I get to hire scouts, coaches, and even an equipment manager, and someone to run the practice rink facility. If I cannot have that control, as well as ‘final say-so’ on draft day, and a near “cap limit” budget for “Opening Night,” please do not consider me for this post.” And put in in BOLD TYPE in the contract. (I’m not sure what that will accomplish, however. If an owner wants to change things up in mid-stream, I’m not sure what recourse having this language in the contract will do for the GM, other than give him an outlet to run to the media to say, “The ownership failed to live up to its commitment, which is right here, in ‘black and white.’ It’s not what we agreed to.”) For the GM will surely take the blame (get fired) when and if things don’t work out. Or if the owner doesn’t like him anymore. An owner can fire a GM if he finds out the GM and Charles Manson like the same flavor of ice cream.

Second question of the interview, for the GM position, should be, “I need to know that you’re ‘committed’ to locking up Kovalchuk for the foreseeable future. If you are not willing to put up 10-years or more on his next deal, I have to know that NOW. For it will change the way I conduct my strategy as GM.”

The Head Coach should also have some serious concerns before taking the post. Like a commitment from the GM that the organization will start drafting players into the mold of his “strategy.” The Detroit Red Wings and New Jersey Devils are excellent at finding players that fit their “strategy.”

When a team’s defensive strategy is “whack-a-mole,” (TM, poster Sara, all rights reserved) it’s very open-ended to find a player to fit that role on draft day. But I would hope that an organization, once it finds a system that works for them, would try to perpetuate its success by drafting players that fit the mold.

By Tony C.

April 23, 2008 10:03 PM | Link to this

Apparently I like picking scabs

TOLD YA HE WANTS THE SPOTLIGHT

By Brendan

April 23, 2008 11:12 PM | Link to this

Did you have to link that article, Tony C.? I still thank Hossa for his 2 years and change of service.

Vancouver hired a new GM. His name is Mike Gillis. And he’s said, “We’ll be evaluating the roster, then we’ll decide if the Sedin Twins are top line material.” Gillis went on to say that he doesn’t expect to any have any trouble talking trades with other GM’s. Anyone want the Sedin Twins? Just asking. They, uhh … apparently might be available. Canucks Head Coach Alain Vignault looks on, nervously watching.

Anaheim GM Brian Burke has agreed to remain on as GM there. So, Toronto groans or exhales.

By GSU-Lee

April 23, 2008 11:36 PM | Link to this

Well I think that says a lot about Hossa…but Atlanta, as much as I love all of the sports teams here, is a horrible sports town. It sucks. We all know that, but when you make a commitment it is to the team, not the fans. And when the team was good, blueland was packed. So Hossa can enjoy the limelight, rightfully so, none of us can fault him. There is a solution though for the lack of a buzz, as Hossa called it. WIN, if the team wins, the fans, city, team , superstars and bloggers are all happy. That’s it. You put a winning product on the ice, and this all goes away.

By ranallo10

April 24, 2008 12:10 AM | Link to this

Brendan — You forgot to mention that Gillis was an NHL player and agent. Some of his clients included Pavel Bure and Bobby Holik.

So he’s obviously a good salesman…

GSU-Lee — I wouldn’t go so far as to say Atlanta is a horrible sports town, nor would I say Atlanta hockey fans are bad fans, but I would say that if I were in his position (Tier I UFA), I too would sign in Pittsburgh well before Atlanta.

Now, you can assume what you want about his intentions to play on a winning team, but when it comes down to it a player lives where he plays, often times. To “come home” to a city you don’t enjoy, well, not many people want to make it their home, nor want to stay in that city. If you don’t know what I mean, see the Chris Pronger/Edmonton debacle.

If I were Hossa, and I had the choice to play WHEREVER I wanted, I wouldn’t pick Atlanta. The city has nothing that entices me as a professional hockey player, and while anonymity is nice for older players, most players in their prime appreciate being recognized off the ice for their contributions. It never hurts an ego to be buying groceries as everyone in the store is whispering “That’s Marian Hossa! Is he buying SKIM MILK?!”

Thanks for the link Tony C., for me it’s been written on the wall his feelings about the city itself, but is nice to finally see in print. I don’t blame him for liking Pittsburgh MORE than Atlanta, and he didn’t say he disliked Atlanta, so I’m all good with the article (as an Atlanta resident, and Thrashers fan).

By The Falconer

April 24, 2008 2:56 AM | Link to this

If you’re going to evaluate Chicago as a development city then Kurtis Foster (traded to acquire Havelid) and Mike Weaver (who both had NHL jobs this year need to make the list) I can’t remember if Brett Clark played much in Chicago or if he was an Orlando guy.

By Sara

April 24, 2008 9:52 AM | Link to this

Hossa didn’t say anything that wasn’t true (or overly rude either). And while winning can generate buzz, Atlanta is never going to be a true “hockey city.” Some guys just don’t want to play in a non-traditional market where most of the area residents think icing is only something that goes on cake. Further there is nothing that Don Waddell or any other GM can do to change that.

By Alan

April 24, 2008 10:11 AM | Link to this

Some guys just don’t want to play in a non-traditional market where most of the area residents think icing is only something that goes on cake.

That’s not a market problem, though; that’s an education problem. You’ll find people like that whether you’re in Nashville or North Dakota.

Atlanta isn’t a “hockey city.” True enough. But that doesn’t mean it will always be that way.

By GaVaHokie

April 24, 2008 2:46 PM | Link to this

Here’s something interesting… Zach Bogosian is now #2 on the Central scouting list

Stamkos is still #1, but Drew Doughty has slipped to #3. This time last year, Doughty was considered to be the #1 over Stamkos… or atleast even.

Looks like we’ll get a solid player at #3.

By Chris

April 24, 2008 2:55 PM | Link to this

Looks like we’ll get a solid player at #3.

Same with #1 if we trade up. Stamkos is better than any of those others.

By GSU-Lee

April 24, 2008 3:33 PM | Link to this

Ranallo, How can you say that Atlanta is not a Horrible sports town? No games sell out, none of te teams are any good, except maybe the Braves….give it a month or so….I mean I love and pull for all of the teams here. But this is not a great sports town. There is one paper. No games sell out. Granted, if any team here made it past the first round in any sport, the seats would sell. But that is exactly why it is a crappy sports town, it is a transient city full of people who go to games as social events instead of a reason to pull for a team. But whatever, I hope the best for Hossa and the Thrashers.

By MB

April 24, 2008 6:56 PM | Link to this

Chris, if DWadd found a way to trade up for the #1 pick, it’d be a small miracle. Sorry to say, but he’s just not that good, and not even Feaster is dumb enough to hand over a prospect like Stamkos to someone in his own division.

On the other point being bandied about, as a native I’ve always been defensive about comments that Atlanta is a weak sports town. I think we’re better than a number of markets, but after visiting there numerous times over the years, I can tell you we don’t even belong in the same conversation as Pittsburgh.

Imagine this city supporting ALL of its pro teams with the fervor that college fans support UGA, and that would be comparable.

By Brendan

April 24, 2008 10:49 PM | Link to this

Ifffff we’re going to make any moves on Draft Day, I’m hoping it’s one or both of these scenarios. (1) We take the 2nd first round pick (from Pittsburgh) and trade it for a Defenseman. (Look at Vancouver, and Bieksa or Edler, for example.) (2) We approach the L.A. Kings and ask, “What would it take, name it, for you to cough up the #2 overall pick.” And then listen to “reasonable” offers.

Don’t make me go through them. We’ve done that enough times by now. But I’d add, quickly, that if you’re thinking Cammalleri, he has just a year left on his contract and will be eyeballing the exit, a la Hossa, Savard, and Kaberle. So, that’s no good. At least if you’re thinking Brown, there’s a player who can’t begin to think about his ‘exit strategy’ given the length of his contract, which I don’t think has a ‘no trade clause.’” If it did, then obviously that’s the end of that. He cannot be traded, without waiving the clause. Then you look at players like Frolov, Jack Johnson, Patrick O’Sullivan, etc., to see if they have NTC’s. Landing Bogosian (#2) and Doughty (#3) would be a huge feather in the team’s cap. But I digress.

I wanted to talk about Philly choking this Game One away. It is going to be difficult enough for the Flyers to win this series without handing games to the Habs. What a waste. The Flyers played 59-minutes and change of “worthy” hockey, only to have a meltdown with the next 90 seconds of playing time. The Flyers must now win four of the next six to take the series.

By Alan

April 25, 2008 11:18 AM | Link to this

Did anyone else watch the Detroit game last night? Colorado put my Red Wings on notice in the second and third periods that they will play hard and they will do whatever it takes. They fought very hard in the end of the second and throughout the third periods. Osgood pulled some acrobatic saves out of his a*, and that’s what saved this game for Detroit. As a Detroit fan, I was really biting my nails throughout the Zetterberg penalty kill and throughout the final seconds.

Colorado might be without Foppa, but those Avs played extremely hard last night.

By GaVaHokie

April 25, 2008 1:48 PM | Link to this

Just returned from Habs inside/out, a great weekend of trivia, games, guests and prizes. They are still playing hockey, unlike Atlanta. My engagement to Ranallo has been postponed, he doesnt like HeeHaw. Well, Back to HIO, mmy post name there is Habsguy. Heeee Haaaaw.

By ranallo10

April 25, 2008 2:12 PM | Link to this

Habsguy — It wasn’t just the HeeHaw issue, I also thought his butt looked big in Montreal colors. I’m more of a fan of the baby blue…

(if you have to read a troll, why not have fun with it??)

By Tony C.

April 25, 2008 3:25 PM | Link to this

Damn ranallo I told ya that the lil frostback would get jealous even though his woman said it was cool…they just can’t hack liqour-beer? a completely different story.

By Swinging Richards

April 25, 2008 4:18 PM | Link to this

We really appreciate all of the snowfarmers from Habs Inside/Out visiting our establishment. Your monthly visits really add variety to our clientele.

We look forward to seeing you boys again next month. Tu-Ta-Lu.

By Tony C.

April 25, 2008 7:56 PM | Link to this

Swinging Richards

OUCH.

(pun intended)

By Ranallo

April 26, 2008 2:11 PM | Link to this

Whats the fuss about fans from here visiting Habs inside/out?? GaVaHoKie told several fans about it, and guess what, I won.Their trivia shows, games, guests and prizes are the bomb. Thats because THEIR team is still playing. Dont be a hater, Gator. CHill now, I gotta split, Peach Tree Street appt as me and the Swingster are tying the knot. CHoa, CHao.

By Tony C

April 26, 2008 2:16 PM | Link to this

Thanks for the advise, Habs inside/out. The way to build a contender is with a big dominant center, a power fowardand sniperas your first line. Then a puck moving defenseman, and a great goalie. If you add a second line with the potential to score, you are on your way. Atlanta, even Montreal is lacking in some of those areas.

By Exit 716

April 27, 2008 12:28 AM | Link to this

Atlanta stinks because Waddell is a failure at many aspects of developing a team. Go to www.hockeydb.com to see how many of your top draft picks have actually made an impact. When he does get an impact player he trades them off for garbage. Example. He turned Dany Heatley into Marian Hossa into Colby Armstrong. He turned Braydon Cobourn into Zhitnik. The guy is a LOSER. He should have been fired years ago. I think ownership is stunned to keep such an incompetent idiot at the helm of the team. Basically Atlanta, you’re screwed. You don’t have your own development team in the AHL, you can’t draft and your GM is a complete and total idiot. Why would anyone pay NHL ticket prices to see a glorified Jr. C team. Big, big, big trouble.

By Brendan

April 27, 2008 12:38 PM | Link to this

Exit716, “Operation Tavares” is still an option. When I look at Doughty and Bogosian, I see a 1-2 punch along the Thrashers blueline that could be dominant for years to come. Maybe our best move would be to ask Los Angeles (owns 2nd overall pick in 2008 Draft) who they want off our roster. Then negotiate from there.

Contrary to popular opinion, there are assets here in Atlanta. You know who they are. We could entertain offers until one finally makes sense. We could even go the other way.

Huh?

Yeah, we could ask Los Angeles what they’d be willing to part with for our #3 overall pick. They’ve already got Jack Johnson, top D-man prospect of 2005, selected 3rd overall, in their fold. Imagine the Kings blueline with J. Jackson, Bogosian, and Doughty, for the future? But they’d have to part with good assets to make that happen. The Kings do have a lot of young talent. Again, you know who they are. It’s the kind of talent that could keep Kovalchuk here, in theory. Of course, Kovy’s agent may have already counseled him against re-signing Atlanta, given its limited financial resources. Very shortly, Atlanta’s “break even” point will be closer to the FLOOR of the salary cap than the ceiling. So, perhaps, trying to appease Kovalchuk will not be “the way to go.” There is a very real possibility that Kovalchuk is merely playing out a contract. If he’d be honest-enough to say so, it would allow the Thrashers the MAXIMUM opportunity for trade possibilities, no matter how UNPOPULAR they might be. But I digress.

Of course, Los Angeles’ reponse could just be, “We’re picking 2nd overall. You guys in Atlanta sort out your own problems. We’ll handle our own business.”

I just hope the Thrashers players haven’t lost their own “internal” vote of confidence on Don Waddell. If the players think the organization is as “screwed” as many fans feel it is, it will be another long season.

If you’re ownership, and you’re looking at Tavares as your goal, you won’t want to spend very much money on a product you need to finish last. I don’t think that ISSS ownership’s stance. I think it’s the goal of this ownership group to make the Atlanta Thrashers the 15th-best NHL franchise, year … after year … after year. Okay, I could have just said perennially. But that’s not the approach that Kovalchuk wants to hear anyway. Kovy wants to compete for the Cup, perennially, not just a playoff berth. Think about it.

Think HARDER.

By Nikita

April 27, 2008 7:50 PM | Link to this

Thats because THEIR team is still playing.

Yeah, for at least a few more games.

By Adriano P

April 27, 2008 8:21 PM | Link to this

From The AJC Editors, Habs inside/out site is promoting a KKK type of posting, and we are discouraging PIR fans to participate in their foolish rhetoric. Why they have CHosen this forum to CHat is beyond us, GaVaHokie is sponsoring this through a poster there named The Teacher. We ask all to stay away.

By GSU-Lee

April 28, 2008 12:55 AM | Link to this

Nice Interiew Craig, the AJC should have you do your own podcast to throw along with the blog.

By NASCAR Dave

April 28, 2008 11:19 AM | Link to this

HA HA HA!!! Billy and Woody now have outdone Don FRAUDell!

The Hawks have actually WON a playoff game!!!

The Hawks must be “Moving in the Right Direction”… Wouldn’t you say?

You have to be one pathetic loser to to actually look WORSE than Billy and Woody!!!

But Don FRAUDell has done it… the pathetic loser he is!!!

By Bob

April 28, 2008 12:48 PM | Link to this

it is a transient city full of people who go to games as social events instead of a reason to pull for a team

Yes, this is true. Except when the team wins, when an Atlanta team wins, the transplants hop on that bandwagon, which is why it’s so important to get this team truly headed in the right direction

There are a ton of Philly, Buffalo, NY, etc. fans here that would pull for the Thrashers. But they’re so disgusted at what Waddell has done for 9 years, they stick to their original home town allegiances.

Pittsburgh is an absolute armpit. The economy up there is in a shambles. Look how long it took them to get an arena deal, the economy is probably the worst in the nation up there.

Atlanta is a much more desirable location to live, especially for the players with families.

The difference that Hoss is talking about is the fan buzz and fan recognition that surrounds the team and it’s players. That will happen here, one day.

It’s completely understandable why after floundering under Waddell’s leadership for 9 years, that there’s no buzz and no positive momentum around the Thrashers. Crap, I’m as a big a hockey fan as you fan find and as big a Thrashers’ supporter, both financially and as a fan, as you can find over the past 9 years. But even I’m done supporting them financially now until Waddell is gone.

Pittsburgh has won Cups, had Mario, had Jagr, now has Crosby. There’s a ton of tradition there. Tradition takes time to build, but it can be built here. We just have the wrong architect working on the plans.

By ranallo10

April 28, 2008 2:26 PM | Link to this

Bob — Was the GM turnover what cued the Pittsburgh franchise’s most recent turnaround, or was it an ownership overhaul?

Mario Lemieux bought the team, fought for it to stay in Pittsburgh (even in face of economic hardship and a bad venue), and has helped his team overcome such obstacles to take it’s place at the top of their division. Is Ray Shero the reason the team is doing so well, or is it the COMBINATION of a dedicated majority owner AND a competent GM?

You can change around the GM all you want, the architect can be the best, but if the person who hires the architect doesn’t care about the final product, the team will never improve.

As for the “bandwagon” statement. Is it not bandwagon jumping to leave a team until they become successful again? I ask because, apparently, the few fans in these parts who will continue to support the Thrashers despite their lack of success are considered in the wrong, yet those who have jumped off the bandwagon due to their distaste for the GM is in the right. Seems to be a contradiction…you leave because you don’t like something, yet mock those who are “bandwagon” jumpers, meanwhile you mock those who are still supporters.

I watched a movie called “Invincible” lately and it gave me this great insight about what true fans are like…they’re passionate and supportive towards their team, even when they dislike something going on within the organization.

One day, Atlanta FANS will be more like the fans from bigger or more passionate markets. For now, we’re a select few. What’s ironic is we are ostracized as being enablers for something other people are unhappy about. One day that’ll change.

By Alan

April 28, 2008 3:37 PM | Link to this

ranallo - AMEN! Thank you for putting my thoughts (and I’m sure, the thoughts of the others who are considered “enablers” by the vocal folks) out there clearly and succinctly.

By ranallo10

April 28, 2008 4:20 PM | Link to this

Habs inside/out moderators want all Atlanta fans to please go to their site, top page, click “Editorial” and look at bottom of Gazette page, Letter to the Editors. There is a box to file a complaint about their fans coming onto our site and causing trouble. This will stop them from doing this.

By Swinging Richards

April 28, 2008 4:28 PM | Link to this

Ouucltos dam Nostramus diem nait salee, You can see my strip show on Peachtree Street, and am also performing for my fans at Habs inside/out, GaVaHokie and I are lovers and we want you to see our pictures on You Tube…see “Wheat”.

By ranallo10

April 28, 2008 4:33 PM | Link to this

I’m beginning to love the creativity of this one troll…it’s good stuff.

Soon he/she’ll be adding links, which’ll make the posts even better.

By Bob

April 28, 2008 4:35 PM | Link to this

I don’t look down on bandwagon fans here in Atlanta especially, it’s simply the nature of the beast and that will not stop in this town. This town had 1 million people in it when I moved here. Since then, it’s grown millions. You know where the growth came from? NY, Philly, Buffalo, etc.

So I do not blame people for jumping on and off bandwagons in this town.

Look at it this way. You grew up in Atlanta. You love the Braves. Your job moves you to Pittsburgh next year. Are you all of a sudden going to become a Pirates’ fan? Or are you going to wear your Braves hat every time they come up to play the Pirates?

Might you support the Pirates and go to some games if they turn it around and make a run and become good year after year as you spend more time there? Of course you will.

Atlanta is the way it is because all of the growth came from northerners who grow up with different hockey teams. This is a hockey town, it’s just that all the fans have their original home town allegiances, that they’ll dump in a second to jump on the Atlanta bandwagon, if given the reason to. I met tons of them the very first year in 1999, but most of them have dropped out and gone away frustrated watching Waddell’s ineptness.

It is the enablers that enable the Spirit to justify keeping an incompetent GM in place. It is the real fans that demand accountability and will force the Spirit to finally do what is right.

Until then, it’s going to be same stuff, different day.

By Alan

April 28, 2008 4:59 PM | Link to this

It is the enablers that enable the Spirit to justify keeping an incompetent GM in place.

So, how are we enabling the ASG to keep Waddell if we’re going just because we want to see some live hockey action? Yeah, Waddell is inept, but I’m not going to give up something I love doing simply because there’s a group of people who think I’m somehow enabling the ownership by attending games.

What you do with your time and money is your choice. Likewise, what I do with mine is my choice. Deal with it.

By ranallo10

April 28, 2008 5:08 PM | Link to this

Bob — So in 5 years, if/when this team comes back into success (however fleeting), you expect me to believe the people who say “I’ve been a fan since the beginning”? There are several “fans” on this board who haven’t supported the team since 2002. Yet those same “fans” try to tell us they care about the franchise…when their actions and words obviously contradict their self-image of being a Thrashers fan.

Transients — I was born in LA, and have many allegiances to my childhood teams of the Dodgers, 49ers, Lakers, and Kings. I grew up on THOSE teams, yet I’m a Thrashers, Braves and Falcons fan (I’ve grown to dislike basketball period). The great thing about being your own person, you are able to support your home town team, while emotionally supporting your childhood/all-time favorites. It’s not black and white.

I consider myself a Thrashers fan through and through. If this team suffers, so be it. If this team succeeds, I’ll be there to enjoy the ride. I am a transient, yet I’m a Thrashers fan. If I move to Buffalo, I’m sure I’ll become a game attending Buffalo fan. I’ll support them for every game except those against Atlanta, until the amount of time passes (likely 5+ years) where I no longer consider myself primarily a Thrashers fan.

Somehow I defy all the “logic” you just stated about transients. There are many admitted Detroit fans on these boards, who too defy your logic. Or even some admitted Buffalo or Islanders fans. Many of us can cheer for multiple teams, yet we support one…the Thrashers.

By Gary

April 28, 2008 5:31 PM | Link to this

Don’t fret Atlanta fans! You can still cheer for Your Atlanta Hawks tonight at Philips Arena! In the Playoffs!

Tickets are still available, but they are going fast! On Saturday it was Standing Room only!

Come watch tonight as J Smooth, J Chill, JJ, and Bibby CRUSH the Boston Celtics!

There are winners in this town, so quit whining about the losers and come support Your Atlanta Hawks!

LETS GO HAWKS!

By Alan

April 28, 2008 6:05 PM | Link to this

Gary - Might I remind you that your winners posted a W-L record below .500.

ranallo - I am a transient, yet I’m a Thrashers fan.

This! I too am a transient. I’m from Detroit. I still root for Detroit teams like the Wings and the Tigers. But I’m a Thrashers fan first. I want to see them do well, and I want to see them win. I’ve been a fan here “since the beginning™” and I have never wavered in my support of this franchise. I’ve been there for the high points and the low points.

It’s not about where you’re from, it’s where you’re at. I’m in Atlanta, and I support the Thrashers.

By MB

April 28, 2008 7:00 PM | Link to this

ranallo and Alan, as a native, let me say “thanks” for adopting our home team as your own and supporting them through thick and thin.

Goodness knows we’ve had more than our fair share of “bad” owners and GMs. Some may say that Atlanta fans, by their nature, allow these sub-par owners and GM to survive, and thus enable them. Who knows, they may be right about that.

But I was raised to support my team through thick and thin, and it’s what feels right to me.

I understand the point of view held by some who want to withhold their $$ to send the message that they demand change, and that’s their right as fans. If it prompts change, bully for them. If not, well, I hope in time they’ll come back around to the arena and cheer for the team in person.

By ranallo10

April 28, 2008 7:12 PM | Link to this

But I was raised to support my team through thick and thin, and it’s what feels right to me.

Agreed.

By Bob

April 29, 2008 8:43 AM | Link to this

I understand the point of view held by some who want to withhold their $$ to send the message that they demand change, and that’s their right as fans. If it prompts change, bully for them.

Oh, it’ll work. If there’s one thing that’s going to get the Spirit’s attention, it’s the almighty dollar (Lord knows that Waddell’s incompetence hasn’t gotten their attention off the bottom line yet).

By Nikita

April 29, 2008 9:00 AM | Link to this

My almighty dollar isn’t worth a lot in the big scheme of things, but I’m not giving up on the team merely because they are losing.

By ranallo10

April 29, 2008 10:44 AM | Link to this

Oh, it’ll work. If there’s one thing that’s going to get the Spirit’s attention, it’s the almighty dollar

Well, when their second franchise has now won two playoff games, our almighty dollar isn’t impacting their wallet nearly as much. Think of it like having a slightly profitable company while owning a cash cow (Philips Arena) and another slightly profitable company (Hawks). If one company falters while the others pick up the slack, in the scheme of things the businesses have maintained the same profit.

Or think of it this way…

The Hawks had zero home playoff games last season, the Thrashers two. This season it has been reversed. After the increased profits of hosting two playoff games, money was spent towards one of the two franchises…the non-playoff team, the apparent “interest” of the ownership group, the Hawks. Now that the Hawks played in multiple home games (generating more revenue for the ASG), what makes you think the ASG will spend money on the Thrashers? Roles have been reversed, but (in my opinion) the ASG will not change their ways.

You’re right though, the “almighty dollar” is what matters to them…and as of now they’re still a profitable ownership group. So, why would they change anything?

By Alan

April 29, 2008 11:16 AM | Link to this

You’re right though, the “almighty dollar” is what matters to them…and as of now they’re still a profitable ownership group. So, why would they change anything?

His argument will follow these lines:

If we stop attending games and supporting our team in droves, if the ASG sees less than 5000 people in the stands for home games on a regular basis, it will be a “victory” for those of us who want to incite change.

Nevermind the fact that with a sports franchise, this isn’t the way fans are supposed to incite change. I keep citing the Washington and Toronto fans as examples here. They’re in the stands, chanting about how their coach or GM needs to be fired. And what happened last November? Coach Hanlon of the Capitals got canned! Yes, the fans asked for it, and the ownership delivered!

It would be nice if the fans here weren’t so disingenuous about how they can cause a change. This might be a “business” to them, but it’s more than just that to us. You stop shopping at stores that p** you off, and you stop buying brands that have bad labor practices, but with a sports team, you are VOCAL. You have two markets - at least - watching you. You have the Atlanta market, and the opposition team’s market. Yell it loud and proud that you want Waddell fired! This silent boycott bull is not going to fix anything.

By Nikita

April 29, 2008 12:12 PM | Link to this

Besides which, it’s pretty hard to tell a boycott from indifference when the market verges on indifferent, anyway.

And…Fire on Ice is sending Chris Thorburn to a good stylist. Though as it is I give him a 7 of 10 for the Thrashers/Children’s Healthcare business.

By Bob

April 29, 2008 2:55 PM | Link to this

This silent boycott bull is not going to fix anything

Yes it will fix it and it’s not silent. The Spirit is well aware of why many fans have not renewed and are content now to sit back and see if they can replace the seasoned fans who’ve had enough, with new fans they can attract with Blueland, cheerleaders, and puppies, we’re giving away puppies at the next game!

It’s possible that they know that Waddell is incompetent and that until they settle with Belkin, that’s it’s moot to try to fire Waddell as no one worth his salt is coming here with the current ownership situation and they already are handcuffed with having extended Waddell’s contract. That is possible, but it’s not something I’m going to subsidize with my hard earned money.

The Spirit needs to man up, settle the ownership cluster, and get a real GM who is serious and competent in building a hockey club. Until that point, I’ll root for the club, but no way am I in the season tix biz until they fix it. And there’s a lot of guys like me that are doing the same thing.

Your guess of 5,000 for some games next year is probably a good estimate as the season tix holders are the only ones that drag butt down there for a Tuesday night tilt against the Canes. But they’ll still sell out Friday and Sat. night games against the Wings or Rangers as their fans will fill the seats.

By Tomi Kallio

April 29, 2008 3:01 PM | Link to this

For all the naive folks that continue to argue against our comments that for Atlanta Sports Teams, if you WIN, the fans will come.. look at last night’s Hawks attendance - over 20,000 strong.

Therefore, your argument has been proven WRONG.

By Alan

April 29, 2008 3:15 PM | Link to this

*Yes it will fix it and it’s not silent. *

It’s not silent?

“I’m going to sit at home and invest season ticket money in a new big screen instead” isn’t silent?

Okay. You can sit in front of your new television while I’m at the game both enjoying myself and calling for Waddell’s head. You can be silent in front of your TV while fans like me are there being vocal and loud about our displeasure.

This is a different kind of business, and it will take a whole lot more than a silent boycott to get through to ownership.

What separates fairweather fans and true fans are the lengths real fans are willing to go to express their displeasure. Sitting at home is taking the easy way out, and is just a way of saying you don’t care anymore. We do care, however, so we are going to attend games and make our displeasure known. That’s what this is about.

By Mongoose

April 29, 2008 3:39 PM | Link to this

Don’t let the GM figure out the identity. Get Pat Quinn, he’s very available, let him define the team identity. Why haven’t the Thrashers done that yet?

By ranallo10

April 29, 2008 3:56 PM | Link to this

Kallio — I don’t have the patience to do this research again, but please refer to this link.

Parts of that blog we (the regulars posting under a regular name) discussed things like what you just mentioned about attendance. Feel free to peruse, or keep posting the troll turds.

Bob — I agree regarding not spending your money on the sport if you’re not enjoying it. That’s your prerogative. However, I disagree that anybody attending is enabling. My example would be my favorite older couple who sat in front of me as full season ticket holders. We sat in 204 this season, and they contemplated re-upping (like everyone around here has). They ultimately decided to move to the 300s, to lessen the financial commitment, but to also continue to do what they enjoy.

Go up to the old couple in front of the Philips Arena sign (we all know them, in the 114/115 section who are mainstays on the Kiss Cam) and tell them your belief about “enabling” due to continued attendance. I consider those types of fans (aged individuals who attend over 80% of the home games) as the greatest types of fans…those who, even in their later years continue to ENJOY hockey games despite the on-ice product.

By Alan

April 29, 2008 5:35 PM | Link to this

Ranallo, We just saw a poster at HABS INSIDE/OUT with the same name as you, saying Atlanta has no Gay culture, and that Peachtree Street Bordellos dont have a queer bath house. You have to be living HERE to know these things. Also, someone there named Habsguy from Sutton, Ont, says he knows you personally from Torontos Yonge Street.

By Chris

April 29, 2008 5:43 PM | Link to this

Parts of that blog we (the regulars posting under a regular name) discussed things like what you just mentioned about attendance. Feel free to peruse, or keep posting the troll turds.

See? There he goes again with his elitist crap. And now he’s calling people names when they post a legitimate comment? What an ignorant, pompous @ss! Pathetic.

By ranallo10

April 29, 2008 6:09 PM | Link to this

Chris — He/she is posting under a former Thrasher’s name…he/she is hiding behind a everchanging and unidentifiable pseudonym to post constant drivel. Basically, Kallio should go back to posting “suckers”, because at least that was slightly entertaining. Or perhaps Kallio should simply identify himself/herself under a consistent name so that those who actually care what other people believe can understand Blogger X feels this way about this topic.

He’s trolling, I responded. You’re trolling, but yet you never add to the conversation. If that makes me a pompous a*, then so be it. It still makes you a troll. Contribute once in a while, and I’ll accommodate your opinions (though I may or may not not agree with them).

But you’re right, it was rude of me to call this particular opinion of his/hers a “troll turd”. For that, I apologize.

Anyways. You gotta love the dedication of this Habs guy.

“Yonge” sounds like a disease.

By Chris

April 29, 2008 6:36 PM | Link to this

My name is CHris, and am a Montreal Canadiens fan because Hotlanta has no good teams or Gay sub culture. He/She is really myself, as I have a father that spanked me, then turned around and said, “Now Do Me”. No wonder I am really a trans sexual at Johns Hopkins, plastic surgery is next. Looking for that RIGHT man, GaVaHokie is a possibility, but no Hee Haw, and throw the overalls out. QuiCHe Anyone.

By Tony C.

April 29, 2008 9:18 PM | Link to this

wow.

dude really has some latency issues huh?

By bob (other)

April 29, 2008 9:33 PM | Link to this

Bob, there is no “ownership cluster”. David Stern and Gary Bettman don’t seem too concerned about it,nor the other owners in each league, why should we? It is a non issue operationally. The current ASG managers will maintain control, the only issue is the buyout. It will get resolved and is not impeding business.

By Nikita

April 29, 2008 11:05 PM | Link to this

There seems to be a petition at HABS INSIDE/OUT asking for Atlanta and Columbus to sell their teams and get out of the league, as we cannot support hockey anymore. Personally, I agree, as since the Hossa give away, we are reduced to little more than Kovy. Well, at least we stull have the Falcons, zzzzzzzz…and Heee Haaaw.

By NASCAR Dave

April 30, 2008 10:47 AM | Link to this

RANALLO, GAVAHOKIE, ALAN… Damn, what the hell did you guys do???

Now you have hecklers from that crappy country Canada???

HA HA… Too friggin funny!!!

I was getting confused reading the posts… NOW it makes sense!!! LMAO!!!

By Alan

April 30, 2008 11:48 AM | Link to this

Dave - I’m about 98% sure they’re not from Canada, not representative of the people at “Habs Inside/Out,” and are considerably less intelligent than the regulars who post here.

By Mike

April 30, 2008 12:15 PM | Link to this

Whoever Dave is supposedely from Habs inside/out, take a good look at their site, especially when Montreal loses. They use racial slurs, swear, IN TWO LANGUAGES, call Americans losers, insult each other. If you go there today, one article says Montreal is Canadas Team, RIGHT, because they are the only ones left. They also PLAY with the truth. Look up “MontrealCanadiens, Territorial Rights”, they were allowed all the best players from Quebec, before everyone else drafted years ago, their Dynasty was through CHeating. Thats why the league makes them wear the CH. Look it up.

By NASCAR Dave

April 30, 2008 12:23 PM | Link to this

ALAN - They gotta be the ones who own that site… why else would they keep coming on here pushing it on us???

But really, they need to be gettin ready to have their season end tonight…

LMAO.

By Marian Hossa

April 30, 2008 12:38 PM | Link to this

Suckers.

By Alan

April 30, 2008 1:18 PM | Link to this

Dave - Impossible for their season to end tonight. Philadelphia lost game one and won games two and three.

Still, I don’t pay those mindless morons who comment using random monikers (or who attempt to impersonate any of the regulars) any attention - whether or not they’re from a site about as noteworthy as a pile of rusty tools.

By NASCAR Dave

April 30, 2008 1:29 PM | Link to this

ALAN - You’re right. I was thinking it was 3-1… Well, after tonight it should be 3-1…

What is the web address of those tools??? I’d like to heckle them a bit…

Links???

By Prof Habisscham

April 30, 2008 1:51 PM | Link to this

Sirs, I am a professor at Concordia University in Montreal, and was asked by their moderators to explain Territorial Rights. Years ago, Montreal was the only Francophone team in the league, so as a reward, the NHL awarded Montreal the first Quebecois player before the draft started, and then the draft would proceed. If Guy Lafleur was the best player coming out that year, he would be sent to Montreal, and if they had the first pick in THATdraft, they would get TWO players before anyone else selected.Thats why their dynasty has ended, its now a level playing field for all. Hope I was of some help.

By GaVaHokie

April 30, 2008 2:41 PM | Link to this

The reason Habs fans are coming here promoting Habs inside/out is because they are having a contest, The 1000th Poster during the night of a playoff game is getting an expense paid trip for two to the firsst two games of the Finals. They have had over 1000 fans ONCE, and somebody won, but during the last game, they didnt meet the required amount. I,ll be there tonight, just wish the Finals was in Hawaii.

By Mike

April 30, 2008 3:11 PM | Link to this

Dave and AJC, In regards to your comment about Montreal fans trolling on our site, and them being intelligent sophisticated fans, please go there and see Mike Boones article titled, “Must Win’. Notice the anti American comments of fans,how about the posts about Mile Knuble coming back, maybe we should hurt his hamstring again. How about the posts saying poor Avery got what he deserved, after being hostipalized lat night. So Dave, if thats your view of “INTELLIGANCE”, tou have a serious problem.

By ranallo12

April 30, 2008 5:01 PM | Link to this

Habs Inside/Out is a site where gay Montreal hockey fans like to talk about the Habs, and also the next bathroom stall each will meet each other in. We are anti-American and racist, so please join us. 1000th poster tonight gets an 8x10 glossie of GaVaHokie’s pale, white bum! See you there!

By Nikita

May 1, 2008 10:11 AM | Link to this

I’m the actual Nikita, as opposed to that impersonator above.

And bashing gays = classy. Nice job, kids. You just raised the tenor of this blog immeasurably.

By Alan

May 1, 2008 10:20 AM | Link to this

Indeed, Nikita. One would have thought the AJC would rethink their current commenting system to eliminate the impersonators, as well as other anti-social behavior that seems to take place on blogs throughout the paper.

By NASCAR Dave

May 1, 2008 10:44 AM | Link to this

ALAN - The Habs lost last night like we said they would… maybe now the Trolls will move on elsewhere???

I won’t hold my breath…

By Alan

May 1, 2008 12:17 PM | Link to this

Dave - It would be nice. Philadelphia seems to have the answer, no matter which goalie Montreal throws out there.

Dallas lost last night, too. Stunning, since I was really pulling for them to win it. They looked pretty good overall, but they had a a couple defensive meltdowns (on that shorthander from Marleau, and the PPG from Michalek).

Tonight’s action includes the potential sweeps of Pittsburgh over the Rangers and Detroit over the Avs. Which one is most likely to happen, in your guys opinion?

Which leads to another question: Which series is most likely to be swept? Detroit vs. Dallas, or Pittsburgh vs. Philadelphia?

By ToF

May 1, 2008 2:32 PM | Link to this

I would say Detroit of Colorado has the best chance of ending in a sweep IMO, but Pitts has been playing absolutely scary. It would be sweet if the started 8-0, not every year you see that.

By Bob

May 1, 2008 4:05 PM | Link to this

Bob, there is no “ownership cluster”. David Stern and Gary Bettman don’t seem too concerned about it,nor the other owners in each league, why should we? It is a non issue operationally. The current ASG managers will maintain control, the only issue is the buyout. It will get resolved and is not impeding business.

Wow. Simply, wow. There’s so much wrong with that one short paragraph, it really just speaks for itself.

But thanks for the insight into the inner workings of your mind. I understand more clearly now why you think and write the things that you do.

Wow.

By bob (other)

May 1, 2008 4:19 PM | Link to this

Bob, My statement is accurate. You are mistaken.

By Alan

May 1, 2008 4:26 PM | Link to this

ToF - With the announcement that Forsberg is going to sit this game out, I think a Detroit sweep scenario is now one step closer to fruition.

By GaVaHokie

May 1, 2008 4:26 PM | Link to this

Take if for what it’s worth, but here is the latest UFA rumor chart from Eklund

Right now, he has Kristian Huselius and Mark Recchi rumored to us. My issue with Huselius is that he plays LW, which we don’t have a need for. However, the fact that he shoots left-handed, I would think he could be converted to RW… Kovy shoots Right and plays Left, Huselius shoots Left and could play Right… that way, you have sticks in the lane.

By bob (other)

May 1, 2008 4:30 PM | Link to this

Bob, so what is the issue? Enlighten us please.

Sept, 2007 The Maryland Court of Special Appeals issued a ruling on Tuesday in favor of Atlanta Spirit LLC in their fight against estranged owner Steve Belkin. Now the owner of the Atlanta Hawks and the Atlanta Thrashers can enter into long-term contracts without a court’s approval. This allows the teams to freely negotiate with Josh Smith and Marian Hossa for long-term contracts.

The ruling also allows the Atlanta Spirit group to buy out Steve Belkin. Previous court orders allowed Belkin to buy out the rest of the Atlanta Spirit group

By Bob

May 1, 2008 4:39 PM | Link to this

Bob, My statement is accurate. You are mistaken(

Oh, I understand that you believe it is accurate, and all I can say is wow.

By bob (other)

May 1, 2008 4:49 PM | Link to this

Bob, It is not that I believe the statement is accurate as you claim. It IS accurate. You clearly must have missed business 101 somewhere along the line.

By NASCAR Dave

May 1, 2008 5:33 PM | Link to this

BLOB (OTHER) - Why do you keep trying to defend the ASG? Why do you feel the need to constantly post the stuff you do?

ASG may make a profit with their bottom line, but what can you say about the MANY, MANY fans who have cancelled season tickets and refuse to spend any of their money on the Thrashers next year???

You have provided us the business standpoint far too many times… we get it. Enough!

But what do YOU have to say about the fans standpoint??? The fans feel like they are getting a raw deal - which they ARE.

Is it REALLY necessary for you to provide us financial data??? Do you think the pi$$ed off fans REALLY care about that crap???

You have an agenda on here, it is very clear… but what for??? What exactly are you trying to say???

If you ARE with the ASG (or somewhere in Thrashers management), it might make good “business sense” to appeal to the demands of the consumers (the fans). Wouldn’t you think??? I learned that in Business 101. It’s called supply and demand… YOU are trying to supply us with something we have NO demand for - crappy hockey from the top on down.

What do YOU have to say about THAT???

By bob (other)

May 1, 2008 5:45 PM | Link to this

Dave, Basically 15-16,000 fans per game vote in the affirmative. It does not indicate a mass erosion, although softness in renewals was to be expected. I am a disappointed, but supportive fan and will continue to spend money as is my prerogative.

You and others want to give up, that’s yours.

Basically a few passionate posters in the negative does not constitute the “sky is falling, we are terrible” mantra you articulate.

I find that the people who sit around me have all ponied up for next year and that’s a lot of money. Probably enough to cover a few hundred seats in the upper levels, so that is just an economic fact that I suppose upsets you.

I think you need to take a deep breath and be much more rational.

By NASCAR Dave

May 1, 2008 6:14 PM | Link to this

BLOB (OTHER) - Obviously YOU feel that something is wrong, otherwise why do you feel the need to continue coming on here with your agenda???

If everything is so peachy keen, why do you keep posting this stuff???

Just wondering…

By bob (other)

May 1, 2008 6:29 PM | Link to this

Dave, Your conclusions are wrong. I do not continue to posting because I think “something is wrong”. I post because, opinions such as yours are not the only views expressed by longtime and loyal Thrashers fans.

My personal opinion is different from yours, so we can agree to is disagree. This franchise is not moving, the GM not getting relieved (at least not right now or anytime soon,the ownership is not changing, and fans are not dispersing in mass numbers. The situation is much more stable than some opinion.

I would also hope you could be more civil in your comments and treat others that have a different view with more respect. ASG ownership is comprised of smart, successful people, who will be successful owning and managing the businesses. It is ,after all, their capital, their risk . I choose to continue to support.

By Thrashy Thrashy

May 1, 2008 6:46 PM | Link to this

Just read the article about the Wolves. The Thrashers need to get their own club and control it. Young guys don’t learn in the minors by sitting on the bench. Screw Chicago.

By Bob

May 1, 2008 7:16 PM | Link to this

other bob, I missed Biz 101? Classic.

Dude, you are so out of touch, or mabye not, are you an insider at ASG? I wonder with the “softness in renewals” comment.

It’s beyond ludicrous to claim that the current ownership situation (and the state it’s been in for what, 3 years now?) is anything but completely FUBAR. It not only handicaps the ability to attract a solid coach and solid GM, but also the ability to attract solid UFAs.

By bob (other)

May 1, 2008 7:26 PM | Link to this

Bob, You are the one out of touch. You are all about opinions and drama. Can’t you do better?

By Brendan

May 2, 2008 12:04 AM | Link to this

I just wonder if the ASG can do what Ted Leonsis (Capitals’ owner) did with Alex Ovechkin, namely a 13-year deal valued at $124 million.

Then again, maybe the ASG doesn’t feel Kovalchuk is worth that kind of commitment? Which is THEIR prerogative. And if they don’t, there’s maximum trade potential heading into the Draft this June. I do understand that no contract can be re-signed with Kovalchuk prior to July 1, 2009. But I don’t see how and why discussions can’t be taking place.

I hear ya! How do you know they’re not, Brendan?, goes the logical argument. I don’t. My wiretap requests are continually denied by the Federal Court system.

I tease. I kid. I do that sometimes. But it’s clear to me that the ASG are not total ignoramuses who will be blindsided by Kovalchuck’s “stunning decision” to test the waters of free agency in 2010. That is, they know what the situation is. They’re not utterly in the dark, clueless in the corner, that a decision has to be made about Kovalchuk’s future.

So, either (1) they know he’s leaving. Or (2) they know that Kovalchuk is at least going to afford them the opportunity to make moves to keep him. (We should all be delighted he’s even considering that option.) But, fundamentally, at its core, it’s going to take a lot of years and many, many millions of dollars for whichever team lands Kovalchuk for the 2010-11 season.

And ya know it. So, the ball is in the ASG’s court. Perhaps, giving them the benefit of the doubt, the ASG has told Kovalchuk that 10-years, maybe more, is “doable.” If the ASG has made such an overture, I commend them, and wish they’d go public with it. Though, certainly, they’d be under no obligation to do that.

But let me explain why. If Kovalchuk leaves in 2010, rejecting a decade’s worth of “guaranteed” money from the Thrashers, it paints the ASG in a “slightly” more favorable light. The ASG can at least argue, “We offered him a very lucrative deal, but he rejected it. Kovy was DEAD SET on playing for (supply other team name here). There was nothing we could do.”

At that point, sometime between NOW and 2010, we’d have to examine WHYYYYY Kovalchuk rejected it. Was it because Kovy felt that the ASG couldn’t fill out the rest of the roster while still being competitive enough to be a Cup contender? Was it because Kovalchuk didn’t feel that the ASG’s budget could retain key players whose contracts expired during that coming decade? In short, did he believe that the ASG was “cash-strapped” and not committed to bringing home the Silver Chalice?

If so, should fans “blame” Kovalchuk? Or should they blame the ASG? We can’t really answer that yet. It depends on several things. For example, are the Thrashers moving in the right direction by 2010? Do they have a new GM in 2010? Are players “on board” with the system, coaching staff, and GM, in 2010? Or are the players plotting their exit strategies?

If, in 2010, things are going “swimmingly,” (New GM, farm system full of prized draft picks, excellent Head Coach, winning record, young, skilled, gritty energetic roster,) but Kovalchuk still wants to leave … I’d be more inclined to blame his departure on #17 than the ASG. I said, “if.”

By Nikita

May 2, 2008 12:50 AM | Link to this

I want to add to my Heatley comment from today, I rode with him Once AND THAT WAS ENOUGH. He was ALL hands, and very drunk. He asked me if I loved him, I had to say yes, as I was very velnerable then, a virgin. Well, we drove to lovers lane off Peach Tree Street, we pasked, his breath smelled of cheap whiskey. I told him he was going to Ottawa, and then he, he Oh, its too painful, he spanked me, then turned around and said..”NOW DO ME”. Horrible.

By Riley

May 2, 2008 11:10 AM | Link to this

bob (other) — I agree with Dave. There is no demand for your supply. Plus, you guys are investing much more $ in the Hawks than the Thrashers. And you will also now have to work to re-sign Josh Smith and Josh Childress. That is going to cost a lot of money. The Thrashers are going to get the short end of the stick now. No big $ free agents, etc. The Thrashers are now in a really tight spot.

By Lanny McDonald

May 2, 2008 11:56 AM | Link to this

Dude, you are so out of touch, or mabye not, are you an insider at ASG? I wonder with the “softness in renewals” comment.

Bob A quick glance through your media guide shows someone in Thrashers management named “Robert Owens”.

Could this be the identity of bob (other) troll?

By bulldog52

May 5, 2008 11:04 AM | Link to this

Your comments re who are on the thrashers. Larsen and Popovich spent a lot of time in chicago Popo 2 years Larsen 1/12 years. Also on the Flyers team a pretty good defenseman plays who was in chicago for 1/12/ years before Waddel traded him I speake of Branden Colburn also the Wild have a defenseman named Kurtis Foster who spent a year on the wolves before Waddel traded him. It appears that the trashers can’t wait for players to develope so the trade for over the hill players.

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