Thrashers

By sisu

February 23, 2008 1:01 PM | Link to this

It will be a sad day if we trade Hossa,I hope that we get some good picks and players in return…

By MB

February 23, 2008 1:10 PM | Link to this

As we expected, but good to hear that the offers are getting more interesting. We’ll keep our fingers crossed that DW comes through.

I’m also hoping that somebody comes along with a strong offer for Holik.

CC, are you hearing anything more about Sundin and any potential movement from him?

By BG33Brown

February 23, 2008 1:13 PM | Link to this

The next 4 days will either make or break the direction of this franchise for years to come.

Of course, DW is making these moves….I will be holding my breath.

By bob(other)

February 23, 2008 1:13 PM | Link to this

If he doesn’t want to be here, let him leave and get what we can now and use the freed up dollars to make additional moves over the summer. DW knows what he is doing. If you had an employee that did not want to be there, you’d get rid of them. Don’t need those cancers.

By AT

February 23, 2008 1:13 PM | Link to this

Every Thrashers fan across the country and the world needs to send Mats Sundin a Thank You card for not waiving his no trade clause. He sent Hossa’s value through the roof.

Hopefully Waddell has a plan for who he is going to hire as a coach and what kind of players that coach wants and will make the Hossa deal accordingly.

Even more hopefully, it will be a good enough deal to make Hossa come back this summer and re-sign with Atlanta. The money is there- the direction is not. DW can fix both of those with this deal.

Keep your fingers crossed Blueland.

By BG33Brown

February 23, 2008 1:15 PM | Link to this

I hope the boys can keep it together and get 2 points tonight…

As for the trade, I hope Hossa isn’t the first superstar to move. I would much rather have him move after Sundin or Olli-hopefully meaning the price has been driven up.

Hold your water DW.

By kracker

February 23, 2008 1:28 PM | Link to this

To use your words, Craig, I believe that if the team turns in another performance tonight like they did in Carolina and New York, more players have to go on the trading block. DW can spin it how he chooses but it will have to be done and should be done. It’s do or die for Waddell. If he fails here he really has to go.

By GSU-Lee

February 23, 2008 1:44 PM | Link to this

Trading Heater was sad for different reasons, but being forced pretty much by Hossa to trade him really makes this tough for the franchise and it’s history. We all put a lot of faith into that guy and he rewards it, by his own right, by leaving. Whatever. I hope DW can get a good deal, but we will see.

By kracker

February 23, 2008 1:44 PM | Link to this

AT Where did you read that Sundin had refused to waive his NTC? TSN & Sportsnet are not reporting that. He suppodedly has given Fletcher a list of teams he will consider playing for. Me, I expect Sundin to be this year’s Tkachuk, getting traded for players and pics and then re-signing with TO next season.

By GSU-Lee

February 23, 2008 1:46 PM | Link to this

AT, good though very optimistic point.

By Craig Custance

February 23, 2008 1:47 PM | Link to this

MB: Sundin reiterated this morning that he’s not interested in waiving his no-trade clause, according to TSN. If he’s not on the market, that could be really good news for the Thrashers.

By bob(other)

February 23, 2008 2:05 PM | Link to this

Let’s not forgewt folks that at the end of the day this is a BUSINESS. DW is a good GM and works within the resources available based on our revenues. Ifa player doesn’t want to be here, good riddance, as for an employee in any business. People need to be committed to the TEAM.

We are still in it as well as about 20 other teams, so no time to panic, just be smart about it.

The sky is not falling folks.

By B. Thenet

February 23, 2008 2:07 PM | Link to this

The Bruins GM just said he isn’t moving Kessel.

Then again, I don’t believe a word out of DW’s mouth this time of year either.

By kracker

February 23, 2008 2:13 PM | Link to this

Haha, AT I’d like nothing better than to soon see a picture of DW with a big cigar, beaming about the coup of a deal he just pulled off.

By Brendan

February 23, 2008 2:28 PM | Link to this

MB: Sundin reiterated this morning that he’s not interested in waiving his no-trade clause, according to TSN. If he’s not on the market, that could be really good news for the Thrashers.

GOOOOD! Then I no longer have to wonder if Waddell is mortgaging our 1st and 3rd picks for the upcoming drafts for the 37-year old Swede! And believe me, I’ve been worried about it. It’d be “Tkachuk” all over again. And for what? To win ONE (1) playoff game??

And to have that called, “progess,” for an 8th year expansion team? Aye, Aye, Aye.

By bob (other)

February 23, 2008 2:28 PM | Link to this

DW always plays things close to the vest and should. The business dealings are not up for public vote.There is enough speculation and media involved and frankly the only people who really know what’s going on are those directly involved in discussions. We have fun speculating, but GMs have jobs because they are qualified, and we have a good one in DW.

By kracker

February 23, 2008 2:49 PM | Link to this

bob (other) Is your last name Waddell? Just kidding :)

Whether or not Waddell is hampered by operating constraints, the time remaining for him to prove he is a good GM is two or three days.

By bob (other)

February 23, 2008 2:55 PM | Link to this

Kracker, no my last name is not Waddell, just looking at the facts. You must not be. What planet are you from?

By Baldheaded Thrasher

February 23, 2008 3:05 PM | Link to this

I for one hope we go into the selling side of the house. This team is not going to make the playoffs, and has had too many pathetic games to keep the roster as it is.

I want to sit Zhitnik and let Popovic play, if the veterans do not want to put out an effort then play the kids. The last two games have been an embarassment, and for anyone to make excuses for that type of play really pulls my chain.

I’ll make the rest of the home games, but I’ll have to see some younger faces before I renew the STH package.

Let’s see Savard, Metropolit, Hossa, left Atlanta. I wonder if DW can keep a goalie or Kovy?

By Sage of Bluesland

February 23, 2008 3:06 PM | Link to this

Whoever thinks Waddell is a good GM hasn’t been paying attention…Lay off the organizational Kool-Aid, please, before we all get violently ill (or die of laughter at the utter ignorance!)…

Great, Donny is now ready to embark on his next “Five-Year-Plan”…See, it replaces the original one, with a shiny new playoff “guarantee” every year—or at least sluggishly incremental progress to make the wittle bwuewanders beam with joy and satisfaction…

Feel foolish, wittle fwag wavers? You should. Now ticket prices are increasing FOR THIS PRODUCT???!!!

Don’t ever question P.T. Barnum and his logic—he was absolutely correct…I just have to read a few sheepish comments here to validate his very words (bonus points to someone who can recite one of his famous sayings)…

Cheers.

By GSU-Lee

February 23, 2008 3:09 PM | Link to this

bob (other), I agreed with most of what you said but regardless of the situation, these next three days could determine DW’s future in the NHL

By Thrashers27

February 23, 2008 3:32 PM | Link to this

LET’S GO THRASHERS!!!!!

By Xshouldcheckyou

February 23, 2008 3:49 PM | Link to this

It’ be nice if we could pick up a guy like Hal Gill.

By GaVaHokie

February 23, 2008 3:58 PM | Link to this

Man, oh man, I think Kessel is going to be a Thrasher soon… gotta love Boston’s lack of patience with youngsters. If they trade a 20-year old phenom for a rental player (Hossa) they are going to get reemed. Even if they CAN resign Hossa.

This is exactly, finacially, what the Thrashers need going into the UFA market this summer. We can get Kari locked up and shop for defense.

By B. Thenet

February 23, 2008 4:11 PM | Link to this

How does Kessel help the Thrashers, he is worse defensively and not as physical as Bryan Little.

How will that help the Thrashers become a better team?

I sincerely hope DW doesn’t make this team even smaller and less physical with the Hossa trade.

By T-Bone

February 23, 2008 4:16 PM | Link to this

DW’s going to blow this whole Hossa trade by insisting on being a buyer everywhere else. Forget it Don. The best deals will be prospects and picks. Along with Hossa he should move Holik and Recchi and get some serious prospects and draft picks here. This season is toast and to deny it just prolongs the mediocrity that is the hallmark of the Waddell era.

By Andrew

February 23, 2008 4:19 PM | Link to this

I still have my money on Filppula + somebody + a 1st rd. Detroit has been wavering and needs a boost…

By Tony C.

February 23, 2008 4:40 PM | Link to this

I don’t know that I’d want Kessel.

Not questioning talent, but I have had enough of Centers under 6’. Seriously! We’ve got what 8 guys total over 6’ (not counting Hossa anymore)? We nly have three players listed over 6’1”! Other than Holik, our tallest regular (seeing Slater on the wing a lot more now) pivot is Todd White, listed @ 5’10” 195-roughly my size. Now I don’t work out for a living like pro atheletes do, but even so, that White wins over 45% of his draws is impressive to me, now just imagine him going up against some of the big boys out west, with The Cup on the line… To all you guys who believe Le Thrash has what it takes to be successful in the post-season, wow! Yall have even more faith in Kari than I do, and I think he’s going to be a stud for a long while. But the size thing up the middle is why I would pass on Kessel-although I thought he’s “naturally” a RW? Anyway, we need to get bigger down the middle! The fact that Perrin wins almost 54% of his draws is remarkable-I’d be happy to keep him in blue for a few years, he’s one four guys I can count on to want it EVERY night.

Get me some size down the middle, but most importantly Don, GET ME SOMEBODY SCARY ON THE BLUE LINE!!!! I am sick of watching team put down tent stakes once they cross our blue line!!! Honestly, I’m upset they make it past the bueline with hardly ever more than a “hey, howya doin eh?” see Zhitnik and his patented 5-yard cushion ain’t doin it for me.

GO BLUE !!!

By Craig Custance

February 23, 2008 4:41 PM | Link to this

Baldheaded: You’ll get your wish - Zhitnik sits and Popovic in tonight. Kari in goal.

By ronny

February 23, 2008 4:44 PM | Link to this

I am from Montreal, and be prepared to receive Mike Rider and a young defenseman from our farm team in Hamilton for Hossa. It is a done deal.

By kracker

February 23, 2008 4:53 PM | Link to this

Maybe Zhit is in the press box prior to a trade?! He actually would have value to the right team playing him mostly on the PP.

By GaVaHokie

February 23, 2008 4:57 PM | Link to this

Thenet… Kessel is 6 ft. 193 lbs at 20 years of age. I wouldn’t call him smallish. He’s about the size of Recchi. I’d put him in that “cannonball” low center of gravity class of players.

All young players need time to develop defensively. Kessel can play all three forward positions.

Kessel and Brian Little aren’t even close to the same player… Kessel came in as a rookie and put up good numbers playing third and fourth line minutes.

By kracker

February 23, 2008 4:57 PM | Link to this

ronny If DW makes that deal you can keep him too.

By Tony C.

February 23, 2008 5:04 PM | Link to this

What I meant about my size to White is that with the NHL average height among “top two” CentRemen being 6’and up mostly topping out around 6’2”, think about yourself, how do you fancy your odds going up against a guy who’s got a half-foot and 50 lbs. on you? Give Charmin some props folks!

And give DW some “boos”.

Your #1 CentRe gives up a half foot of height and accompanying reach and weight or more, considering a lot of times the #17 line sees the best defenders every shift?

Don’t get any more smurfs Don.

By Samuel

February 23, 2008 5:09 PM | Link to this

Kessel sure does not look 6’!! Just showed Waddell at todays Marlie/Senators game on one of the sports channels.

By Freddie

February 23, 2008 5:17 PM | Link to this

At least all the smurfs are good skaters and have speed!!! Most bigger players don’t. The new Nhl so they keep saying, is giving the smaller players the chance. As far as Kessel is concerned, I have never been a big fan of his so I hope there is no deal in the works for him.

By Tony C.

February 23, 2008 5:24 PM | Link to this

Cannonball or not, Kessel should not be the guy we target from the B’s-get me Stuart or somebody on the blueline. I’m willing to bet there’s somebody in the organization that is capable of scoring. We need guys that can keep the other team out of our zone more than we need scoring.

Yes Hossa takes a lot of offense with him, but what is and has been the Thrasher’s flaw? Defense.

By Dev

February 23, 2008 5:27 PM | Link to this

i want hossa to go to montreal. And in return i would want Chris higgins Michael Ryder and Mark Streit.

I WOULD LOVE TO GET THE KOSTITSYNS FROM MONTREAL….but that probably wont happen

By JMar

February 23, 2008 5:37 PM | Link to this

I believe that Waddell is more interested in saving his job than helping this team be competitive in the future. On the one hand yes, we are on the verge of the three seed and winning the division. On the other hand if we do get in, we’ll probably be knocked out in the first round, and that’s a huge if anyway. We traded a number of our best prospects to make a run last year. This year we have a number of viable trade options in Hossa, Recchi, Holik, maybe guys like Kozlov (as a salary dump) and Moose (unless we can sign him longterm as a backup). It’s time to rebuild - nothing is worse than sitting still, neither improving your team nor preparing for the future, and ending up losing players in free agency.

By Darren

February 23, 2008 6:40 PM | Link to this

GaVaHokie is absolutely right about Kessel. He’s young, cheap, and has an extremely high ceiling. If you don’t like him as a center, he’s certainly a top-line RW, which would replace Hossa’s spot.

Stuart would presumably also come in the deal as a steady but unspectacular defensive-minded blueliner.

Ryder is heating up, but he and Streit are both expensive.

As much as I like typing his name, I highly doubt Montreal would give up either Kostitsyn.

Besides, the knock on Detroit has always been they don’t have enough size. I think they’re doing all right with a smallish lineup.

By Darren

February 23, 2008 6:45 PM | Link to this

I’ve been a huge critic of Waddell’s in the past, and I still think there are better options at GM out there.

However, wouldn’t you say this Hossa deal is the one that would make or break his future?

If he bungles this trade, he knows he’s gone.

On the other hand, if he’s able to maximize his return for Hossa, he might extend his time a little longer.

So I’d say he’s got all the motivation in the world to get the best deal he can.

By Brendan

February 23, 2008 8:21 PM | Link to this

With injuries to Chelios and Lidstrom lately, I’d say Atlanta has several potential remedies for Detroit. It’s all about who they want on the blueline. With the understanding that Enstrom is out of the question for a trade deadline move. Mark Popovic is an RFA, so Detroit wouldn’t really be “renting” him, per se. They’d control his rights in the offseason. Steve McCarthy wouldn’t impact Detroit’s cap much at all, either. He’s a pending UFA, and if Detroit wanted to re-sign him, they certainly could. I wouldn’t bet on that one. And then … there’s $2.7 million Nic Havelid, with a year left at that price. Havelid and Lidstrom have played together before. This would free up some salary for Atlanta next year, and perhaps might unblock Boris Valabik’s ascention to the NHL. Or maybe even Grant Lewis or Nathan Oystrick, Chad Denny or Kiwi, etc.

Havelid will be 35 in April. Detroit might “bite” on him. I don’t know what kind of return we’d get. Maybe just a couple “throw away” picks. I’d be pleased with J. Hudler or V. Filppula, but I wouldn’t hold my breath for it.

Who just said, “Maybe with a ‘banged up blueline’ we can interest Detroit in Zhitnik?” Wishful thinking my friend. We couldn’t even trade him for “future considerations.” Why not? He’s got a year left, at $3.5 million. At least Havelid is only $2.7M in cap hit, for Detroit, next season. He wouldn’t cost Detroit much from here on out this season.

If we could ship Havelid to the Winged Wheel, what do you think we could fetch as a return? Either in players/prospects or draft picks?

Chris Chelios did take a shot off his ankle last night and hobbled to the bench. If you’re Detroit, you probably … seriously … do want to add a capable blueliner for “insurance.” Nic Havelid has been in the Stanley Cup Finals, with Anaheim, in 2003. He’s also won the Olympic Gold, with Team Sweden, in 2006. That’s not such a “horrible resume” to have. Detroit can always put Havelid on waivers next season to rid themselves of his contract. At that time, Atlanta can potentially reclaim him. Or, Detroit could trade him back to Atlanta in the offseason for some “throw away” latter round draft pick. Don is ALLEGEDLY, SUPPOSEDLY friends with Ken Holland and the folks in Detroit.

By Hohoho, DW's gotta go

February 23, 2008 8:36 PM | Link to this

I smell us getting two draft picks for DW to waste and a washed up veteran. He loves those old guys. In fact if he had a time machine he’d be a hell of a GM! He could take Zhitnik, Slolik, Recchi, DeVries, etc. etc. etc. back to 1998 when they were good and win the Cup.

By LAC

February 23, 2008 9:13 PM | Link to this

bob(other) don waddell is THE CANCER of this entire franchise.

Can YOU not see this ?

He drafts bad players, he signs third or fourth string UFA’s, lets our GOOD players leave… You want a List ?, and simply has NO clue as to how to build a consistant winner.

We were division champions last year Look at us now,we are a slightly below average team, That is progress, the sign of a GOOD GM ?

No way, waddell sucks as do the teams owners, this team and franchise are on verge of collaspe if NEW BLOOD is not brought in, and I mean a SERIOUS NHL GM. One who knows how to put the pieces togather for a winner, something your “boy” DUMB don has NO clue about.

Well we are losing again, so everyone out there needs to realize don waddell is a Failure and his still being around for a second longer is a disaster !

Craig… I again ask YOU to ask waddell when he plans to RESIGN. He needs to answer to the FANS for his failures, Why will YOU not ask that ? I want to know, and if he is not going to resign, why NOT ?

I know you cover the team and it may be sensitive, but it NEEDS to be put to him, he needs to fess up to the fans and also explain why he is a terrible GM.

Why will you NOT ask him ? Tell him to read the blogs, we the fans/bloggers know a lot more about NHL hockey than waddell or the STUPID ownners, it is time they owned up to the fact they are a complete failure !!!

Come on CRAIG ASK HIM !

By WW4

February 23, 2008 9:26 PM | Link to this

THE OFFERS MAY BE POURING IN FOR HOSER, BUT THE GOALS KEEP POURING IN ON LETEMIN. USUAL 3 AGAIN TONIGHT.

By Thrasher fan

February 23, 2008 9:27 PM | Link to this

Break this team up now if you can. The D is the worst in the NHL, the O is OK, and the goaltending is promising but still a year or 2 away. If we don’t sell now this could be an ugly team for years to come. You know the ASG will not bring in any big free agents, just average at best because they want value.

By Alan

February 23, 2008 9:58 PM | Link to this

Brendan - I’ve got one word for you regarding your post above:

No.

By Jim

February 23, 2008 10:03 PM | Link to this

Watched the game on Center Ice- YUCK. Toronto announcer said that he interviewed Hossa and that he would not resign with Atlanta. Wants to move on to a “winning situation”. DW has not created a “winning situation”. Time to replace all of the D but Enns and half of the O. Time for a dramatic shake-up starting at the top.

By erock

February 23, 2008 10:07 PM | Link to this

We need to TRADE NOW every UFA we have so they will not leave for nothing and get BIG YOUNG PLAYERS AND PROSPECTS AND DRAFT PICKS…Hell might as well tank it the rest of this year so we can get the # 1 pick this year !! We are just barely ahead of TAMPA now for last place in the conference…..SELL SELL SELL

By thrashyou

February 23, 2008 10:15 PM | Link to this

trade hossa, holik, havild, hedberg, kozlov. bring up the youngens from the wolves. fire waddell and hire anderson. if the team is going to suck then atleast give the youth a chance to play, thay wont do ant worse, they may even want it more!!!!

By Brendan

February 23, 2008 10:34 PM | Link to this

Russ, I need your calculated assessment. How many points do the Thrashers need, realistically, to make the playoffs this year?

By Brendan

February 23, 2008 11:04 PM | Link to this

Alan, you saw these past three games. You did. Don’t deny it. This team KNEW that these three (3) games vs. the NYI, Carolina, and Toronto would determine if players would be ADDED or REMOVED from this roster. True or False? The correct answer is … TRUE.

True or False: Atlanta lost them all, while being outshot very badly. Answer: True. Not to mention outhit, outhustled, and out-efforted.

True or False: This team was unprepared or unwilling to take this situation seriously? Answer: True. The Isles, ‘Canes, and Leafs are hardly the UPPER ECHELON of this league. That tells me that some of these guys WANT to be shipped out of town, for what very well could be an impending “firesale.” Well, they played well enough to achieve that objective. And when you think about it, they did it right under the nose of the guy who controls their destiny via contracts and trades.

It was the equivalent of having your boss standing behind you at work, while you surf the net for porn. And when your boss says, “Hey, when you are you going to start working on the project I assigned you?,” these players collectively turned around and said, “when I’m done downloading.” And instead of the boss saying, “You’re fired,” he says, “Well, how long’s that gonna take?”

How … long … is that … going to take? Ladies and gentlemen, this team got one game over .500 by Thanksgiving. It never got more than two (2) games over .500 in the three (3) months that followed.

What does that tell you? I tell you what it tells me. The “window of opportunity” for stockpiling season-altering wins … is over. They had three months. They didn’t do it.

They won three. They lost three. Repeat. Again and again. And now … we’re being asked to listen to the idea that Mark Recchi has advanced. He said, and I quote, “We’re now in a situation where we pretty much have to win 13 of the next 14. Maybe even all 14.”

Raise your hand … if you think that’s going to happen, based on the precedent which you’ve all observed so far this season?

Put … your hand … down, before all the blood drains out of it. This team is BELOW .500, again. Unless you believe the Thrashers can win this division with 84-86points, or thereabouts, this is a longshot. When these guys get shipped out of town on Tuesday, they’ve got no one ELSE to blame for it. Or was that what they wanted all along?

By stendec

February 23, 2008 11:37 PM | Link to this

FALCONS ON ICE! Most vile of ALL insults. Forget Marian Hossa! Trade ALL the F+++++G heartless quitters. Including Ilya Kovalchuk who has disappeared after his injury. Ala Steve Bartkowski, God bless him. Players have called it quits. Fans should, too. Hey KL apologists, keep on telling me how many fantastic stops Letemin makes. Two more marshmallow tallies tonight! What was final? Lost interest. Oh, 3-1. Hmmm! Defend the talentless cur all you wish! Ship them ALL to Chicago for kids. Want to see some hustle, fight, fire, pride, desire and professionalism down the stretch. Will not get any from these MF CS CD SOBs! Want to see all new faces next season. GO FLAMES!

By stendec's doctor

February 24, 2008 12:09 AM | Link to this

stendec - You forgot to take your anti-depression medicine again.

By Brendan

February 24, 2008 12:15 AM | Link to this

Just think, Stendec, if Atlanta had won these three games with the Isles, ‘Canes, and Buds, they’d be 32-27-4, or five games over .500 and challenging for the division title. They’d be “buyers” at the deadline and Hossa would probably stay through the end of the season, to give the team its best chance to host a playoff series.

Instead, it trails Carolina by seven (7) points, and is a game under .500. It is what it is.

By dev

February 24, 2008 12:18 AM | Link to this

trade kovalchuck….you are an idiot. What i am going to say and many others said proably wont happen cause its to many people but trade hossa holik s** slater larsen boulton mccarthy exelby kozlov and hedburg unless we can sign him for atleast a couple more years. and make sure we lock down long term deals for kovy enstrom and kari. Also keep dupuis and perrin. Bring up the young guys and make sure we get higgins ryder and streit from montreal for hoss. atleast make sure we get 3 players.

By Russ

February 24, 2008 12:21 AM | Link to this

Brendan - Carolina looks like they are going to start running away with the division. I wouldn’t be surprised to see them end up with about 91 or 92 points. I think it will take right around the same point total to secure the #8 seed in the East. Let’s hypothetically say 91 gets you in, the Thrashers would need 29 points in their last 19 games. That would be better than any 19 game stretch this season, and frankly much better than this team is capable of.

Again, if the rumor I heard the other day of Boston offering Kessel and Stuart for Hossa is true, give Boston a shot to extend Hossa’s contract, and if they do have them throw in a second round pick and send Hossa off to Beantown. That would hurt the Thrashers for the remainder or this season, but they aren’t going anywhere anyway. It would be a great deal for the future, and because Kessel and Stuart already have a few NHL seasons under their belts, it could start paying dividends as soon as next season. As opposed to a potpourri of inexperienced prospects and picks that you might not reap any benefits from for 3+ years. Plus, I’m not exactly confident picks in the hands of DW are going to amount to much anyway.

By Alan

February 24, 2008 12:52 AM | Link to this

Brendan - You apparently don’t understand. Mortgaging the future of this organ-i-zation simply because we’re losing in the present is UN-GOOD.

We’ve got you here doing the “SUNDAY SUNDAY SUNDAY FIIIIIIRESALE” and a whole slew of others yelling about how Waddell/Ownership/whoever needs to be fired. Then there’s a couple more who think Kari Lehtonen can do no right. And lastly, there are the people who are predicting the team will move and how Atlanta won’t get another NHL franchise ever.

Forgive me, but I’m really not happy reading all of that. I’m sick of the firesales, sick of the movement predictions, and sick of people calling for Lehtonen’s head on a stake.

As for Waddell, fire him for all I care. It’s not going to make much of a difference if we get someone else in here with the “Waddell Mentality”™

By GSU-Lee

February 24, 2008 1:12 AM | Link to this

WW4, Ease up on Kari, he’s the only Thrasher playing worth a darn. How about the fact that the Thrashers have scored just four goals in three games? Kari really is our saving grace

By Midfield

February 24, 2008 1:38 AM | Link to this

When was it that Lehtonen came out with a win against a fellow Finnish goalie last time?

By R. Stroz

February 24, 2008 1:38 AM | Link to this

Alan I understand your point.

In order to having meaningful change, the ownership MUST do one of two things 1)understand that the fans are tired of the cheap sales and marketing pitches or 2) sell the team to someone who has adequate capital to properly staff the team.

1) The fans understand that the ASG are just shooting for a mediocre team, not a good team, not a great team, just a mediocre team.

2) Many fans are sick of the ASG pulling the wool over their eyes concerning ticket pricing. Many fans will not renew their ticket packages at full price because they know that they can buy the tickets later at half price from the ASG directly.

3) The fans know a new no-name GM replacement will result in the same mediocre end product, a .500 team.

4) In order for the ASG to sell tickets close to current face value, the ASG will have to bring in a real GM, remove the artificial team cap, hire a real coach, and bring in quality players.

5) Folks, the problem is not selling hockey in the South, the problem is getting properly capitalized owners who can afford to own and properly staff a hockey team in the South. Tom Cousins had to sell the Flames when the real estate market crumbled under high interest rates in the late 70’s and early 80’s. The ASG has shown they can’t afford to properly staff the Thrashers by imposing an artificial salary cap. Until the Thrashers and Hawks have owners that can afford to own and staff teams, the fans of Atlanta will be forced to endure mediocrity or nothing at all.

The problem is not the fans, the problem is the owner’s inadequate capitalization.

By Sharon

February 24, 2008 2:50 AM | Link to this

Right on, Stroz.

Great breakdown of what’s really ruining this franchise. So true, so true.

By Alan

February 24, 2008 2:53 AM | Link to this

The ASG has shown they can’t afford to properly staff the Thrashers by imposing an artificial salary cap.

However, according to Bernie on the radio the other day, the ASG has plenty of money. They just don’t want to spend “silly money” on free agents. The problem is they’ve SPENT silly money on lackluster free agents, and we see the end result here. The problem is, the ASG doesn’t know a good free agent pickup if it smacked a puck into their nether regions.

By B. Thenet

February 24, 2008 8:47 AM | Link to this

For those who want to hire Anderson in Chicago.

Who is the last decent prospect we have “developed” in Chicago?

I just wonder how farther back in his development Enstrom would be if he has come up to Atlana through Chicago.

By Buzzard

February 24, 2008 9:54 AM | Link to this

Last night was just plain sad. This team has no real personality unless it is a multiple personality disorder. You never know what the hell is going to be on the ice.

Principle Skinner (Don W.) is neither a GM or a coach. We need both. This is what we get with ownership thinks Billy Knight and Mike Woodson are OK.

I what what sports fans in Philly feel like.

By batcork

February 24, 2008 11:35 AM | Link to this

Craig, with the clock ticking loudly, do you expect DW would grant another team permission to talk to Hoss about a contract? Would Hoss consider signing a contract now from the right team, or is he determined to go into summer as a FA? A locked-up-Hoss should fetch a bonanza in a trade.

By Fed Up

February 24, 2008 12:13 PM | Link to this

Am I the only one that realizes that after 7 years of existence we are still one of the worst teams in the league. This whole playoff run is a scam since our whole division stinks. And it is not going to get any better soon. We have no real defensemen other than Enstrom and come next year our only real scoring threat will be Kovulchuk. And considering all of this, the Thrashers have the nerve to raise ticket prices. As much as I hate to say this, it is time to get rid of Waddell and start all over.

By Sage of Bluesland

February 24, 2008 12:25 PM | Link to this

Some of you are finally waking up to reality concerning our bumbling little fraud of a GM and his poor decision-making…

Some “Five-Year-Plan”, eh?

Some of the hopeless optomistics out there are actually pretty funny!

By GaVaHokie

February 24, 2008 1:39 PM | Link to this

Doom and gloom, doom and gloom… cno surprise today… I’ll be back after the Hossa trade to discuss.

Chiarelli said “Kessel will not be moved”… interesting.

By Nikita

February 24, 2008 1:50 PM | Link to this

Actually, I thought last night’s game was less humiliating than some of our other recent contests. There was some bad luck (Kari getting clocked, Kovalchuk getting a bogus call that set up the power play for the leafs’ first goal), some inferior play…but not quite the uber-humiliation of 95 SOG or a shut-out. Really, it wasn’t a terrible game, though losing to the Leafs is just insult added to injury.

Good stuff about last night…Zhitnik not playing! Woo! The checking line was pretty rock ‘em sock ‘em. Defense was better, though I’m starting to think that one of our major problems is Exelby — the boy’s dumb as a rock, and between his penalties and his wandering off last night it cost us a lot.

By Brendan

February 24, 2008 2:04 PM | Link to this

Alan, I’m trying to figure out where I ever, ever advocated BUYING (“morgaging the future”) at this trade deadline. What I’ve said is … move Hossa for picks and prospects or players who can play now … or re-sign him, if you can. And that ship has sailed, as we knew it would, back on July 2, 2007. I certainly don’t want Don to go buying at this deadline, shipping our draft picks and prospects out of town.

Alan, if you think about it, why shouldn’t a team that’s faltering sell off assets to make itself stronger for the future? I don’t know, either. That’s what I’m advancing here. “Rent.” Get as much as you can, for the “big picture.” Start fresh next year.

Russ, thank you, again, for your analysis. That’s a great post. But I’d add that if there’s going to be a change at the GM position, that hypothetical new GM needs draft picks to reshape and mold the “new direction” of the team. If we could “rent” players like Moose, Recchi, Haydar, Krog, Hossa, McCarthy and Holik … it doesn’t mean we can’t go re-sign some of that in the offseason, if we want. I’d like to see that happen. I want Recchi back, if possible. I want Haydar back, if possible. I want Dupuis back, if possible. Etc.

By johnny

February 24, 2008 2:37 PM | Link to this

for those that think lack of spending is the problem, the 05/06 Thrashers spent to the cap and had one of the highest payrolls in hockey. that team did not even make the playoffs. the problem is TEFLON DON and his personnel decisions.

By Andy S.

February 24, 2008 2:41 PM | Link to this

Like I said a few days ago, now that all the other top UFA’s are pretty well known to be not available, Hossa’s value is huge. Some GM out there will do what DW did last year and sell the farm to get him. It’s up to DW to really a great trade. I only wish he’d get as much for the remaining UFAs. I agree with Brendan, the team has been downloading porn at work; DW needs to get rid of them. Holik has been a terrible choice as captain; he seems about as motivating as a stump. At the beginning of the season, this team belonged to Kovy. He seems to have gotten tired of carrying it and lightened up a bit, or his injury is worse than we thought.

Anyway, back to the point, it’s firesale time. I’d like to see Kozlov stay because he’s a great winger and a good friend and mentor to Kovy, but the rest can go. I’m even tired of Exelby’s constant blunders; the hits and memorable stops every few games just aren’t worth the shots he gives up more regularly.

By enough

February 24, 2008 3:49 PM | Link to this

CRAIG-

why does Don continue to get a free pass from this town’s press- including you?

in nine years he has drafted a total of nine players that are playing in the NHL. His record as gm is far worse than Billy Knight’s with the Hawks and you’ll (the press)want Billy run out of town. (Billy has drafted more picks that are playing in the NBA in the last 5 years than Don has in the NHL in 9 years and he has only two rounds per year versus Don having 9) In addition, Don has had the luxury of four picks in the top two of the entire draft.

Please explain.

By moonshine mike

February 24, 2008 4:09 PM | Link to this

Hossa’s trade will be bigger than you think as long a Montreal can sign him long term. Then Holik will be added as Montreal needs a large size center good at face-offs and the Trashers would get much better value for Hossa. We could be surprised by what Montreal could offer. They have so many good defencemen in the pipeline…

By Martin

February 24, 2008 5:55 PM | Link to this

johnny that 05/06 team was still very good, the only reason they missed the postseason was the rediculous amount of injuries in net, if Kari didn’t miss half the season then they would have been a 100 pt team for sure. Just shows that this team can be good if we spent more

By Brendan

February 24, 2008 8:26 PM | Link to this

I like this Andy S. Nice post. I don’t you if you caught, but about 2-weeks I outlined a “plan” about how Atlanta could “rent” Kozlov to the Red Wings. The cliff notes of which are this. We trade Kozlov to the Red Wings for their 2nd and 3rd round picks, roughly #59 and #89 overall. If they keep Kozlov, the trade is complete. If they don’t want to keep him, Detroit must trade Kozlov back to us for their 1st round draft pick, roughly #29 overall. The “net result” of which would be … that Atlanta “rented” Kozlov to Detroit, for their Cup run, for its 1st and 3rd round picks. And Kozlov, who chose to re-sign with Atlanta, would still be back here, after “potentially” winning the Cup with Detroit. All Kozlov would have to do … is agree to live out of a room of one of the Red Wings’ players from now ‘til June. Then he comes back. But, he’d have to waive his NTC and Detroit, laughing, would have to agree to surrending draft picks to have him. Which is probably … nothing more than “wishful thinking.”

By Mike

February 24, 2008 8:29 PM | Link to this

I am so glad to hear that Zhitnik is getting some interest! So here are my thoughts: (1) Hossa - You trade him and get as much as you can. Sending him and Holik to San Jose for Marleu and Carle would be a good start, (2) Holik - You get rid of him no matter how well he is playing as he has been very ineffective as a leader, captain, etc., (3) Dupuis - RESIGN him! The guy wants to stay here and he has only given this team 110% effort since he got here. (4) Zhitnik - Trade him for a younger defenseman but someone who can play at the NHL level right now, (5) Recchi- You keep him and make him Captain as he is willing to stay here next year and can help the young guys. (6) Speaking of young guys, you call up Little, Sterling, Valabik and see if the young guys can take us to the playoffs.

By Bob

February 24, 2008 9:01 PM | Link to this

Toronto announcer said that he interviewed Hossa and that he would not resign with Atlanta. Wants to move on to a “winning situation”. DW has not created a “winning situation”.

Yep, that is the heart of the problem right there. We look like a joke to the league with Hoss giving Waddell the stiff arm.

Our top player thinks we’re not “a winning situation”. You know what, this fan agrees.

By Sage of Bluesland

February 24, 2008 9:51 PM | Link to this

It’s a damn shame—I feel sorry for Kovalchuk…He’ll be gone next—if he wants to win a title, that is…

So, this is what we get after eight years of “building”??? Back to square-one, practically.

I just hope that the bumbling architect of this mess is not allowed to implement another of his infamous “Five-Year Plans”…Enough of his playoff “guarantees”…Enough of his bluster about “building through the draft!”…

Enough with Don Waddell—the one constant to this entire incompetent display of how NOT to build a hockey team…Yet some still defend him and make really pitiful excuses!

Grow up and Wake up those in the figurative joke otherwise known as “Blueland”…Do you feel foolish?

You should.

By GSU-Lee

February 24, 2008 10:01 PM | Link to this

Bob, I have spent a season and a half defending DW from you because I have met him a few times and thought he was a cool guy. BUt I have to say I was wrong and you were right. This dude has just got to go, this is the icing on the cake. The team is falling, and now a superstar is essentially asking for a trade. What’s next?

By Brendan

February 24, 2008 10:54 PM | Link to this

We’re so close to the deadline, and yet, I can’t find a whole heckuva lot of trading activity. We’re less than 40 hours away now.

I will be so angry if DW sacrifices picks and prospects for Rob Blakes, Adam Footes, Sergei Federovs, etc. I just saw that TSN.ca reported that Sundin refused to waive his no trade clause.

DW had better get a slew of picks! Or some real prospects, not some “magic beans.”

By Nikita

February 24, 2008 11:35 PM | Link to this

Gotta argue here…

(3) Dupuis - RESIGN him!

Yeah, maybe. My issue with Dupuis is he’s got heart and speed, but he’s a substandard finisher. So keep him, I guess — but someone’s got to work with him on his finishes. It’s really ridiculous watching him make breakaways and then choke at the shot.

And get rid of Exelby. He’s a frickin’ idiot, and he keeps hanging Klee (who is solidly unspectacular, but dependable) out to dry. We’d probably do no worse with a rookie D-Man in his place, and if we could trade up it would be well worth it.

By GaVahokie

February 25, 2008 12:48 AM | Link to this

habs inside/out SAYS hOTLANTA SHOULD GET OUT OF dODGE, Montreal doesnt want hick fools in our league that eat hay and want relations with the relatives. Hossa and Kovs will come to Montreal because we demand it. Gav and Teacher have spoken, and are now married, lmao.

By Andy Sutton

February 25, 2008 1:42 AM | Link to this

Suckers.

By Alan

February 25, 2008 7:13 AM | Link to this

Nice try, little kid. Wasn’t it past your bedtime? You’re going to be in trouble when your mother finds out you’ve been trolling online message boards and pretending to be someone you’re not.

By johnny

February 25, 2008 7:48 AM | Link to this

martin

i remember teflon don making your same argument about Kari being injured, but if you took his record and extrapolated it out as though he played a whole season, the Thrashers would have still missed the playoffs in 05/06.

By Bob

February 25, 2008 9:02 AM | Link to this

Bob, I have spent a season and a half defending DW from you because I have met him a few times and thought he was a cool guy. BUt I have to say I was wrong and you were right. This dude has just got to go, this is the icing on the cake. The team is falling, and now a superstar is essentially asking for a trade. What’s next?

I’ve always figured that most of the people who used to defend Waddell (despite the overwhelming evidence of his incompetence) did so because they had probably met him at one of the many GM talks that he gives, and Don probably took the time to speak with them and they liked him. Nothing wrong with that.

I like him too. I think he’s a nice guy. I really do, he’s one of the Good Guys in hockey. I think the way he handled the Snyder and Heatley situations was first class and handled with dignity and handled the right way.

But being a nice guy only goes so far. I’ve invested far too much money and energy and time into this club to want anything other than the best for them, I want them to win, everything else is a bunch of bs, just win, baby.

I’ve been convinced for years that Waddell just is not a NHL GM, he just doesn’t have the skill set. He seems to have a great eye for AHL talent, but not NHL.

The best thing for this club is a new quality GM, it’s been the fix we’ve needed for years now and I think we should all thank Marian Hossa for pointing this out to the owners, this situation of him leaving no matter what they offered because it’s “not a winning situation” shows the owners that our star player thinks this GM can’t build a winner.

I wish Don the best, I don’t think he has a prayer of ever becoming an NHL GM again as the league knows now what I’ve know for years, but there’s a front office job for him somewhere, behind the scenes.

By d

February 25, 2008 9:16 AM | Link to this

This is reported from TSN:

As part of the fallout from the Sundin decision, I expect to see some action sooner rather than later. The happiest guy in the world has to be Thrashers’ GM Don Waddell. He’s sitting there with Marian Hossa whom he has every intention of trading before Tuesday’s deadline and this will likely accelerate the process. A lot of the teams who were interested in Hossa were also interested in Sundin, but they were likely holding back and waiting to see what the Sundin deal was going to bring and how much it would cost to get Sundin as opposed to Hossa.

Montreal and Ottawa appear to be the two front-runners for Marian Hossa’s services and there is every reason to believe that this is a trade that could go down as early as Monday as opposed to Tuesday. Waddell had an extended stay in Toronto after the Thrashers’ played the Maple Leafs last Saturday. He watched the Hamilton Bulldogs play the Toronto Marlies in an AHL game as he attempted to size up some of the Habs’ prospects.

The other big name potentially on the move is Brad Richards of the Tampa Bay Lightning. He’s been given a list of teams that are interested in him and he has now apparently sent that list back to the Lightning saying “here are the teams that I will consider.” It is believed that Dallas, Vancouver and Columbus are three of the teams that are on that list.

Dallas is offering Tampa Bay a large package that includes goalie Mike Smith; Columbus is offering three roster players, Vancouver some blue-chip prospects and Philadelphia’s package is headed by Jeff Carter. Whatever happens, Richards is likely to waive his no-trade and it could be the most substantial deal of deadline week.

Tampa Bay was making progress on a new contract for defenceman Dan Boyle, but it looks as though the incoming owner would prefer Boyle be traded. If so, the Lightning will be busy with Richards, Boyle and Vinny Prospal all expected to be on the move.

In my opinion Brad Richards and Marian Hossa will be the two biggest deals, that fetch the two biggest prices between now and the deadline.

By Ilya k

February 25, 2008 9:52 AM | Link to this

COLD HARD FACTS…….IF YOU LOOK AT GOALS FOR AND AGAINST WE ARE THE WORST TEAM IN THE NHL. CONGRATS DW YOU DID IT IN JUST LESS THAN 10YRS!

By Buzilla Baby Blues

February 25, 2008 11:01 AM | Link to this

I found this on rotoworld.com.

“Alexei Zhitnik was a healthy scratch on Saturday night.

The veteran defender seemed baffled that general manager and coach Dom Waddell said that the flu was part of the season why he was still watching games from the press box. “I’m a long time over the flu,” Zhitnik said. “I don’t know why he’d say flu. I’ve been practicing for the last four days. He told me today there was no jump. You can agree or not, it’s their view. You’ve got what you’ve got.” This could fuel trade talks for Zhitnik by the trade deadline. Source: Atlanta Journal-Constitution”

I don’t remember seeing an article in the AJC about Zhitnik saying this. Does anyone else?

“You’ve got what you’ve got”…wow. When can we ship out this turd burglar.

By GaVaHokie

February 25, 2008 11:20 AM | Link to this

Like ownership, I will wait and see how Waddell fixes the situation before I drop the axe. I believe Waddell is just as disgusted with the player performance as we are.

Alex Bourret in trade talk again

By Hip Czech

February 25, 2008 11:43 AM | Link to this

Just looking at some numbers…here are the players under contract for next year:

Kovalchuk - 7.50 Kozlov - 3.85 White - 2.35 Slater - 0.800 Perrin - 0.750 Larsen - 0.550 Thorburn - 0.535 Little - 0.850 Stuart - 0.475 Zhitnik - 3.50 Havelid - 2.90 Exelby - 1.40 Klee - 1.250 Enstrom - 0.750 Pavelec - 0.850

Total cap hit is 23.852…now assuming Zhitnik is gone, that takes the cap hit down to 20.352 leaving almost 30 million to spend up to the cap. Lehtonen will receive some of that, and any roster player we get in the Hossa deal will get some of that, but still it will be a large chunk of change to take the FA table.

This is Waddell’s (or a new GM) shot at totally rebuilding this team. Yeah, I hear the 10 years and this is all we got argument, and I agree. But, look at what Philly did with the combination of what they got for Forsberg, Zhitnik, et al at the deadline last year and the FA signings over the summer.

It can be fixed quickly, IF there are some brains behind the decision soon to be made.

Hopefully Waddell can put himself (or the new GM) in a position to do something similar this summer.

By Puckmeister

February 25, 2008 11:55 AM | Link to this

Buzilla, I did see that in the paper. Its an interesting quote. Zhit may be on the way out. Obviously not much respect between Coach/GM and Player. Though…that may be one scenario where I actually agree with DW.

By 30 Year Hockey Fan

February 25, 2008 12:12 PM | Link to this

Buzilla, the bit about Zhitnik was in yesterday’s paper. It was in the “notes” section, if I’m not mistaken. Pretty damn bold if you ask me, he’d be done for a long while if I were DW.

By Smoothie

February 25, 2008 12:38 PM | Link to this

Let’s try to keep things in perspective about the Philthadephia Flyers…they have not won a game in 10 tries now and have slipped out of the playoffs and into a tie for the 9th seed with the NYI. While their resurgence has been impressive this year, they must still have a ways to go if they are hitting a wall like this…and it looks as though signing Daniella Briere has back-fired mightily.

The only reason I bring this up is I don’t think our passionate fans should get their hopes up too high about a similar fate for the Thrashers should we decide to sell off all of our dead weight in hopes of building a winner in just one off-season.

Anyone who has scoured the list of UFA’s has seen that there is a paucity of star talent up the middle and the number of stud defensemen available will be less spectacular than hoped if a team isn’t lucky enough to snag a Campbell or Boyle (he might even be too risky thanks to his freak injury).

Luckily, it is supposed to be a deeper draft this year so it might be most prudent for DWad to pile picks and prospects for a 2-3 year rebuilding program a la the Chicago Blackhawks. Of course, our future will hinge on the rapid, forced development of Little, Sterling, Valabik, Stuart, LaVallee, Pavelec and Oystrick should we sell off our veterans and give the baby Wolves a chance to cement their future during the month of March.

If nothing else, it should make for some intriguing and compelling drama in the final weeks of the season. The team as presently constructed is going nowhere but something tells me we’ll be pleasantly surprised by the play of our younger guys should they be given the chance to play serious minutes over the last month.

By johnny

February 25, 2008 12:41 PM | Link to this

teflon Don gives up the Thrashers #2 prospect last year for a player that he litteraly can not give away. Zhitnik’s 3.5 million would be great spending money this summer.

this is who you want making decisions for the franchise?

By Buzilla Baby Blues

February 25, 2008 12:50 PM | Link to this

The suspense is killing me….

“DWad” …nice

By GaVaHokie

February 25, 2008 12:58 PM | Link to this

Wonder if we could trade Hossa for Marleau today and then send Marleau to Ottawa or Montreal tomorrow… we’d get much more in return, since that’s the player both teams covet long-term. There’s more stability too since he’s already under contract.

Ottawa already tried to get Marleau by moving Redden, but Redden wouldn’t waive his NTC. I’d be happy with Vermette, Foglino and Meszaros.

By Smoothie

February 25, 2008 1:55 PM | Link to this

In perusing the articles on TSN, I’ve come to learn there is (was) a GM who is more bumbling and inept than DWad. His name: John Ferguson formerly of the Toronto Buds. After reading about Mats Sundin, I am simply amazed at the number of players on their roster who have No Trade clauses in their contracts thanks to that thick-headed dolt.

Not just Sundin, but Kaberle, McCabe, Tucker AND Pavel Kubina!!! Yikes! If that’s what it’s going to take to ink a guy in today’s free-agent NHL, then the GM’s need to do a better job of colluding and standing pat against these greedy agents who are just going to destroy the new era NHL economy with these ridiculous inflated contracts.

The only player from that list above who deserves a NTC is Mats Sundin as he has earned it with his consistent play over his ENTIRE career. But the others? Come on, that is ridiculous.

By J(Z)

February 25, 2008 3:30 PM | Link to this

Someone tell me this is a HOAX!

Marián Hossa (Born January 12, 1979, in Stará Ľubovňa, Czechoslovak Socialist Republic (now Slovakia)) is a Slovak professional ice hockey right winger who currently plays for the Montreal Canadiens of the National Hockey League.

On Monday Feburary 25, 2008, Atlanta traded Hossa to the Montreal Canadiens for prospects Mikhail Grabovski and P.K. Subban, as well as Montreal’s 1st Round draft pick in the 2008 NHL Entry Draft.

(It’s on wikipedia)

By Brendan

February 25, 2008 3:34 PM | Link to this

Hokie, I really like the way you are thinking on this Marleau matter. If Ottawa was seriously willing to part with Meszaros, Vermette, and Foligno … for Marleau, and ATLANTA didn’t do it, the GM needs to be fired on the spot.

There’s something to consider here … maybe right now … some GM’s are debating Hossa’s “playoff no-shows,” and are starting to think, “Maybe we’ll just ‘pass’ on Hossa.”

Smoothie, Dallas fired its GM, Doug Armstrong, in mid-season, with THREE YEARS LEFT on his contract (2011), to bring in, of ALL people, Brett Hull, as a co-GM. The results speak for themselves. Peek at the standings. And yet, people said, “Changing GM’s in mid-season is an ‘ineffective strategy.’ Almost no one ever does it. What GOOD would changing a GM do? A coach, perhaps. But not the GM.”

Look, again, at the Dallas Stars. Is that “belief”—namely that it’s “too late” once the season starts to fire a GM, still accurate?

By Darren

February 25, 2008 4:21 PM | Link to this

I also agree with Hokie about trading for Marleau and retrading him to Ottawa. However i think that we should also get Carle and keep him. The only bad news is that there is a report that both Marleau and Carle are being traded to Florida for Jokinen

By Darren

February 25, 2008 4:22 PM | Link to this

I also agree with Hokie about trading for Marleau and retrading him to Ottawa. However i think that we should also get Carle and keep him. The only bad news is that there is a report that both Marleau and Carle are being traded to Florida for Jokinen

By Darren

February 25, 2008 4:22 PM | Link to this

I also agree with Hokie about trading for Marleau and retrading him to Ottawa. However i think that we should also get Carle and keep him. The only bad news is that there is a report that both Marleau and Carle are being traded to Florida for Jokinen

By tEACH

February 26, 2008 1:25 AM | Link to this

HABS INSIDE/OUT has learned rhat Marion might be a little fruity, as the Hotlanta papers have reported, send him here anyways, as Montreal has many bath houses and bars, as I personally can attest to.