Thrashers

By Sage of Bluesland

January 21, 2008 2:36 PM | Link to this

When will our esteemed beat-writer hold our GM/Coach accountable for the team he alone constructed?

That’s the question I would most like answered in the figurative joke otherwise known as “Blueland”…

Don’t EVER wonder why this team is bad…

By Thrasher Ryan

January 21, 2008 2:37 PM | Link to this

Hey CC, thanks for the updates. Trades definitely need to be made; I have been sayin this for quite some time now. Waiting until the deadline will just be TOO LATE. I don’t care who he trades as long as they are not on the following list…

My “Untouchables” List:

Kovalchuk Recchi Perrin Dupuis Kozlov Little Lehtonen Pavelec Sterling Boulton OR Thorburn (we only need 1 of them) Exelby Havelid Enstrom

Everyone else is fair game… including Moose

By Brendan

January 21, 2008 2:41 PM | Link to this

When McCarthy get back into the lineup, there’s only one spot for him: With Exelby. This is the only place that he excels. And Exelby seemingly likes it, too. Off the ice, apparently, they are “good friends.” As for Zhitnik, I’d keep sitting him, citing the Bob Hartley Rule.

The “Bob Hartley Rule?”

Yes. “Uh, like uuh, ya know, Craig. It’s my job as Coach to make decision(s) dat best ‘elp the team to win. So, like. Ya know. If Zhitnik cannot be dat guy, up in da pressbox he’ll sit.”

By Bob

January 21, 2008 2:48 PM | Link to this

I’d keep Kwiakowski up here and waive either Zhitnik or Klee, if a trade can’t be worked out for either. They both are worthless. I’d like to see Zhitnik moved first, but I imagine his salary and length of contract are both deal killers. Mabye somone would take him for 1/2 price on re-entry waivers? Doubtful, so that leaves Klee, waive him.

I am so sick of the never ending revolving door of over the hill dmen that get brought in year after year.

By Craig Custance

January 21, 2008 2:48 PM | Link to this

Brendan — So you’re saying Romper Room is over for Zhitnik?

By Thrasher_Ed

January 21, 2008 2:50 PM | Link to this

Is it just me? Or does anyone else think we need to get really drastic in fixing this team. I say if anybody comes courting for Slava, Holik, or Zhitnik let’s do a deal. Slava and Captain Deadbeat what are we getting from them. If Holik is such a leader then what is he doing in the room to put an end to the streaky inconsistent play? Slava might be valued by Detroit or Dallas and maybe we could get some pieces to add to the future. If Hossa doesn’t resign soon, let’s trade him to Philly and see if we can get Coburn and a couple of their best prospects. I love this team, hbut they are giving me no reason at all to Believe in this version of Blueland. Craig, Good feature and line of questioning for Don Waddell. At what point is this season dead and we become sellers instead of buyers? Let’s go Islanders, Let’s go anybody vs. Washington! I’d much rather pull for the Thrashers, but right now I pulling for the opponents of our top competition for the division title.

By Alan

January 21, 2008 2:53 PM | Link to this

I’m happy with Stuart and Kiwi’s play. Those two need to stay. Not sure what to do with Slater in the lineup.

I honestly don’t see Zhitnik being a continual healthy scratch like McCarthy and Haydar were at the beginning of the season (despite the fact that Zhitnik has earned it). I would think, however, that for the time being, Don will try Kiwi in different defensive pairings to see how he plays with other defenders and if it’s worth keeping him here. As an aside, is there anything in Zhitnik’s contract explicitly stating that he can’t be sent to the minors? I know a few players have a stipulation like that in their contract. If so, that could be one way to be rid of him for a time (I believe the CBA limits “conditioning” stints to 10 games, but I could be wrong). Maybe Anderson could knock some sense into him.

I can see Don throwing Pops and Slates in a trade package. It would almost certainly be a trade for draft picks or prospects. You might think I’m crazy, but hey, this is Waddell we’re talking about, here. IF that trade scenario goes down, I hope it’s for picks. This years draft is very deep.

Doell was pretty solid, and it’s sad to see him get sent back down. But I can’t say it was unexpected. He did his job, and I feel he did it pretty well. Maybe Don will remember his time here at the beginning of training camp next season, and Doell can get a starting role.

I hope any of this made sense.

By Thrasher Ryan

January 21, 2008 2:57 PM | Link to this

Forgot to add Boris Valabik to that list. He is also untouchable. And hopefully he is on a plane from Chicago to NYC to replace Klee.

By Brendan

January 21, 2008 2:58 PM | Link to this

Craig, I have a silly question to ask. Where is the PRESSURE to make the playoffs coming from THE MOST?

Seemingly, the simple answer is THE OWNERSHIP. They’re the ones shelling out the money. They want the “return” on their investment in the form of PLAYOFF REVENUES. But there’s a poll I’d actually to see. Here, now, the poll question.

“What is MORE IMPORTANT: (1) to make the playoffs THIS YEAR or (2) to keep our draft picks and prized prospects in the system so that the team can be younger, faster and MORE COMPETITIVE in the coming years?”

I’d really like to see the answer to that poll. ‘Cuz I’m thinking that Blueland is a “forgiving crowd” so long as it still BELIEVES the team is still moving forward.

If the poll question reveals that the REAL PRESSURE to make the playoffs is coming from the ownership, not the fans, then that’s the sort of thing that ought to be made known.

Don Waddell may well be fighting for his job. But is making the playoffs, or winning the SE Division for a second-straight year, more important than retaining Pavelec, Little, Sterling, or Enstrom for the coming seasons?

By the “strict definition” of incremental progresss, this team has to once again make the playoffs and win AT LEAST ONE playoff game. Anything LESS THAN THAT is, technically, taking a step backwards. If you want to quibble, not winning the division is a step backwards.

But in the “big picture of things,” is mortgaging the future for an out in FIVE GAMES playoff-run worth it? I’m just asking. Or maybe, I should be asking the ownership?

By Thrasher Ryan

January 21, 2008 3:04 PM | Link to this

Waivers:
Klee
Zhitty
Larsen
Holik

Trade Bait:
Hossa
Slater
Popovic/McCarthy (only need 1 of them)
Boulton/Thorburn (only need 1 of them)
Moose
White
Haydar
Doell

Clean house, cut payroll, AND make the playoffs and Waddell’s job is DEFINITELY safe.

Trade deadline will be too late…

By Matt

January 21, 2008 3:10 PM | Link to this

By the way,

http://www.chicagowolves.com/team/stats,

your telling me that @ a plus 10 and over 100 PIMS, we couldn’t use that type of player up in Atlanta, at least teams may think twice before doing whatever they want, whenever they want to whoever they want. i don’t understand why Boris Valabik is not playing in Atlanta. Does anyone have any ideas why not?

The Thrash get manhandled and abused way to much. Maybe some size, toughness and an attitue adjustment would make a difference. At least someone agree and tell me Valabik could do the same job of Klee who is not too far off from Zhitnik’s “effectiveness”…

I would rather watch some young guys actually playing with heart and trying to make a difference than a “veteran” team who just play each game knowing they will be playing the next no matter how they preform without much accountability. At least they would give us something to cheer about and care about.

Anyone care about Klee or Zhitnik or Holik for that matter??

By Matt

January 21, 2008 3:13 PM | Link to this

By the wahttp://www.chicagowolves.com/team/stats/y,

your telling me that @ a plus 10 and over 100 PIMS, we couldn’t use that type of player up in Atlanta, at least teams may think twice before doing whatever they want, whenever they want to whoever they want. Why isn’t Boris Valabik playing in Atlanta? Does anyone have any solid information regarding this?

The Thrash get manhandled and abused way to much. Maybe some size, toughness and an attitue adjustment would make a difference. At least someone agree and tell me Valabik could do the same job of Klee who is not too far off from Zhitnik’s “effectiveness”…

I would rather watch some young guys actually playing with heart and trying to make a difference than a “veteran” team who just play each game knowing they will be playing the next no matter how they preform without much accountability. At least they would give us something to cheer about and care about.

Anyone care about Klee or Zhitnik or Holik for that matter??

By Alan

January 21, 2008 3:13 PM | Link to this

Thrasher Ryan - Agreed! Valabik is hell on ice, and he would pummel the Rangers. There’s nothing like a 6’7” brick wall on skates streaking towards you.

By Craig Custance

January 21, 2008 3:15 PM | Link to this

Brendan: I look at it this way - there’s obviously pressure from ownership for this team to make the playoffs and Waddell’s job isn’t safe if they don’t. But let’s say Don makes outrageous trades just to get there. Ultimately that will cost him not only his job in Atlanta but any shot he has at another job in the NHL. It benefits him to make the correct hockey decision, rather than some future-mortgaging deal just to save his current job. Does that mean Don won’t make any deal that ships out prospects for players who can help now? No, the organization feels it has depth at certain positions and that’s why you build up these assets. To help your team at the highest level. Let’s say there’s a team looking for scoring willing to trade a solid defenseman for Brett Sterling. Would you say no, knowing Sterling’s path to the NHL at left wing is basically blocked for the next couple years by Kozlov and Kovalchuk? At the same time, I don’t think it’d be wise to trade a first and third rounder again, considering the depth of the drafts coming up. Or to trade a guy like Bryan Little since center is obviously a position of need in the organization.

By fokov

January 21, 2008 3:17 PM | Link to this

Trade: Hossa (with the intention to resign him like KT) Zhit Moose (even though I like him, someone will need him) White (but doubt anyone would take on the contract) Slater (If he can’t even score in the AHL what is the point?)

However, it will probably go more like “To save my job I’ll give away our best 3 prospects for a hope at one playoff win” Then our team will suck for the next 5 years when we keep buying everyone else’s trash.

By fokov

January 21, 2008 3:23 PM | Link to this

Oh yea, Trade Holik. His face off ability will be vital for someone looking to win the cup and needing that extra defensive center.

I’ve been waiting for Boris to get here for a while too. However, I’m sure DW will either never bring him up, or just make sure they bring him up in a situation where he will fail like almost every other call up for the past few seasons minus Stuart(sp)

By Brendan

January 21, 2008 3:24 PM | Link to this

Craig, “Yes, ‘play time’ is OVER for Mr. Zhitnik. This is ‘big boy’ hockey, where you produce or you sit.”

Alan, Zhitnik can be “demoted” to the AHL, but he’d still be paid at his NHL salary. So, there’s little “relief” there. That is, UNLESS some other team actually “claimed him” off of waivers. If so, that claiming team has to PAY THE FULL SALARY of Mr. Zhitnik, as well as honor the remaining year on his contract, at $3.5 million.” Of course, if no one claims him, there’s still a chance he could be claimed on “re-entry waivers” (think Recchi) as Atlanta tries to recall him from the minors. In that scenario, Atlanta has to pay HALF of whatever salary Mr. Zhitnik is still owed for the remainder of the season, but is relief of any financial obligations for the 2008-09 season.

At the time (August 2, 2005) Zhitnik got his 3-year deal at $3.5 million, I think it was the NY Islanders who gave it to him. I didn’t question the “value” of the contract at the time. That WAS his value. But, as with any player in his mid-30’s, you run a “serious risk” of injury and declining play after you sign him. (Think Slava Kozlov.) The Islanders dealt Zhitnik to Philadelphia in December of 2006. Philly was willing to trade him to Atlanta at the February 2007 trade deadline because it was looking to shed payroll and acquire picks and prospects for their rebuilding. You’ll ALL recall that it was JUST LAST SEASON when the Flyers were a LAST PLACE TEAM. Which ought to give you ALL an indication just how quickly things can turn-around for a team in “capable hands.” Braydon Coburn was not “lighting it up” here in Atlanta, or down in Chicago. Perhaps Philly’s coaching staff is a little better at “player development” than Atlanta’s? Boris Valabik is a 2004 draft pick who still hasn’t cracked the Thrashers starting lineup.

By Bob

January 21, 2008 3:31 PM | Link to this

What is MORE IMPORTANT: (1) to make the playoffs THIS YEAR or (2) to keep our draft picks and prized prospects in the system so that the team can be younger, faster and MORE COMPETITIVE in the coming years?

Playoffs this year?!?! Playoffs? Did you say playoffs? Playoffs!?

I choose door #2.

But without making the one most important FIRST change that needs to be made, then door #2 is just another a step into the rabbit hole that is the tenure of Don Waddell.

By Alan

January 21, 2008 3:36 PM | Link to this

Zhitnik can be “demoted” to the AHL, but he’d still be paid at his NHL salary. So, there’s little “relief” there.

Honestly, I don’t care about salary relief, I care about team talent. Zhitnik has given us 49 reasons (50 games, minus one good game vs. Detroit) why he shouldn’t be in the majors.

Trade him, waive him, buy out his contract, or just let him play out the remainder of his contract in Chicago. I don’t care at this point. What I care about is the overall success of this franchise. His $3.5m is a dent in our cap space, sure, but it’s more important to me to fill our defensive lines with competent players. Wouldn’t you agree?

By sisu

January 21, 2008 3:38 PM | Link to this

i don’t understand why Boris Valabik is not playing in Atlanta. Does anyone have any ideas why not?

How about the fact that he cannot skate well??? good grief, let it go already!

Send Zhit down and see if he clears waivers, if so bring him back up and hope he does not clear waivers!

By Brendan

January 21, 2008 3:42 PM | Link to this

Craig, I agree that Waddell has to be “careful” about how reckless he may get at the trade deadline. But couldn’t he ARGUE, “I was FORCED into these moves?” And get a “little bit” of leeway? But I see your larger point, he seriously jeopardizes any future GM position in the league. An if Sterling is excess at the LW position, there’s at least some reason to justify his trade, provide the defenseman really solves the Thrashers defensive woes. I’d counter offer with, “Here, take Kozlov!” And see if Slava would “release” his “no-trade” clause.

Jaromir Jagr had an interesting quote about this lately. He was responding to being asked how he felt about the Rangers possibly trading him. Jagr said, “Well, obviously I have to consider it. I mean, if they come to me and say WE DON’T YOU ANYMORE, what am I supposed to do?” Meaning, “stayyy where I’m not wanted and am viewed as a ‘hinderance.’”

Well Slava? What about it? I know it’s Kozlov’s call. And I know Waddell WON’T ASK HIM about a trade. It’ll just be this 600-pound white African elephant in the corner of the room that BOTH “politely ignore.”

By Sara

January 21, 2008 3:44 PM | Link to this

Thrasher_Ed Slava = no trade clause.

Bob Even at half-price I don’t think anyone would jump at Zhitnik - one too many years left on his current contract. Klee maybe. He’s fairly serviceable in limited minutes and isn’t quite such a bite in the bankroll - although he does have the same aforementioned affliction as Zhitnik.

I just don’t see where we can pull off a trade that will really get us what we need. Who’s going to part with a top center or d-man at this point and if by some miracle we can find one to trade for, it’s going to cost us big cause everyone else will want one too (think KT) and/or it’s gonna be a UFA player we may not even get to keep. That doesn’t exactly help us for next year.

Unless we can get something monumental for Hossa, we (should) stand pat, pray for a miracle this season to get us in the playoffs, and go UFA shopping in the off-season with Holik’s and Rucchin’s money (and maybe Hossa’s). For somebody worth paying $6M+ to that plays C or D (the third word being rather crucial here).

By LAC

January 21, 2008 3:47 PM | Link to this

I hope waddell puts HIMSELF on waivers, if anyone needs toGET OUT OF ATLANTA it’s dumb waddell, the master of all we see on the ice !!!!

After 8 seasons, we are the second oldest team in the NHL and we have about zip to show for our 8 seasons..

No wonder my season tickets never got renewed, two words… No three DUMB don waddell

This team would really change for the better if HE were back in detroit with pucks N snot, think of them togather !!!!!!!!!!

By Alan

January 21, 2008 3:54 PM | Link to this

As an aside, Carolina is currently losing 2-0 to the Islanders at the end of the second period. Those two teams also meet tomorrow in Carolina while Atlanta meets NYR. Two Carolina losses and an Atlanta win means Atlanta will be in first again. Carolina doesn’t play again until after the ASG. Therefore, Atlanta has the potential to solidify its lead in the division, and… yep, get back to one game over .500 for the umpteenth time this season.

By Brendan

January 21, 2008 4:05 PM | Link to this

I know people don’t want to “hear this,” but there is, also, the matter of his RFA eligibility. Namely, if Valabik is brought up now, and plays more than 9 games, then Atlanta loses a year off when Valabik hits the Restricted Free Agent market. If it can just get through this season without having him play 10 games, they get to control his rights for one year longer.

Now, as for Sterling and Little … that ship has sailed. They played more than 10 games. There’s no harm in recalling them. Pavelec has played seven (7) games.

Another thought on Sterling … why can’t he play right wing or be converted to center? I’m just asking. With proper coaching, these options can be pursued. The other thing about Sterling is … why let KOZLOV, a guy in mid-30’s, BLOCK the ascendance of Sterling, who is YOUNG and FAST, to the team’s future? Why do we ALWAYS think … we better GET or HOLD ON to these “depreciating assets.” Look, I like Slava Kozlov. He’s a tremendous asset to have in a shootout. But if Detroit wants him back for their Cup-run, let’s get Kronwall back as the exchange for him. Even if it means we cough up some 4th rounder for him.

By PuckedUP

January 21, 2008 4:28 PM | Link to this

hey Craig, nice piece, again. I read your comments to Brendan. Why is that this year folks are now talking about how DW’s trades will impact his life with the Thrashers? My personal opinion is that he gave away way too much for the results. I know everyone will yammer on about having to at least just make the playoffs. But c’mon, at what point does everyone pull off the blinders and realize the Thrashers got a butt whoopin in the playoffs and a butt whoopin in the personnel dept as well. It is just my opinion. But I have always been of the thinking that if you are going to mortgage a lot, you darn sure better getting a heck of a return.

And honestly, I think this entire Hossa debacle has more to do with DW and poor management than anything else.

At this point I have no faith in DW to make good quality trades that will benefit the team for the future, to make solid draft picks, or to make solid free agent acquisitions.

By Alan

January 21, 2008 4:35 PM | Link to this

Well, Carolina won their game in OT. But we still have a chance to take the division lead before the ASG, if they lose tomorrow.

By Craig Custance

January 21, 2008 4:39 PM | Link to this

Brendan: I’ve talked to Don about RFA status in the past, and am convinced that if he feels like a player can contribute to the parent club, that’s really not a consideration.

By Sara

January 21, 2008 4:47 PM | Link to this

PuckedUP it had occurred to me at one point last week when there was all that talk of Hossa meeting with Don and the owners that maybe there was one too many people there. In theory, if Don is what Hoss perceives to be the problem, I doubt he’s gonna be able to say that to the owners with DW sitting right there. (I mean, it’s that old “what’s he supposed to say?” thing again. I doubt Hoss really wants to end up in Edmonton in the middle of January.) It seems to me, the owners might be more behooved to talk to Hoss without Waddell there and see if anything else gets added to the “Hossa request list.”

Obviously, I’m not a member of the Waddell-haters group BUT I do really have to wonder whom ASG would choose if it came flat down to it - Waddell or Hossa? Guess, though, it all depends on which one is easier to replace…and I think we all know whom that might be!

By Bob

January 21, 2008 4:56 PM | Link to this

Sutton gets back at all Thrashers’ fans for calling him Mandy and takes a cross check in OT handing the extra point to the Canes.

Tune into the same Bat Channel for tomorrow’s edition in Round Two of Fishsticks vs. Caniacs on Mandy’s World, A Blond err Blue Haired Purse swinging Drama

By bob (other)

January 21, 2008 5:05 PM | Link to this

Sara, if it came down to it ownership will side with Don, not Marian and that’s the way it should be. Hoss is overpaid based on the market and performance at the moment.

By ranallo10

January 21, 2008 5:14 PM | Link to this

Bob — Thanks for the update, that’s just too bad…not surprising though. After all, it’s Sutton.

Sara — Do you think the ASG is capable of knowing? I bet they were dragged into the meeting on Waddell’s behest because he’s TRYING to make an impression upon Hossa, and can only prove what his vision is by bringing in his bankroll/giggilo. It’s his way of saying “hey look, the owners CARE! Please stay here, please!”

His vision might not be what Hossa agrees with, but I doubt it’s his personality.

As for “what’s he supposed to say”, it’s quite simple…”thanks, but no thanks. I’d like to test free agency”.

That last statement tells everybody everything, and still leaves his honor in tact. There are no bridges burnt, there are relatively little hard feelings from the fans, and management is given enough forewarning to be able to do what’s best for the franchise. However, he isn’t doing that.

Hossa is just stringing this team along and the longer he waits the MORE he’ll be disliked (which seems to be the thing he least wants).

By ranallo10

January 21, 2008 5:26 PM | Link to this

“gigolo”, sorry…

By stendec

January 21, 2008 5:34 PM | Link to this

there was once a fiefdom of flame. became too hot for area. chilled out in north. eternal glory came to relocated fiefdom. pox came to site abandoned. said site eventually paled to blue kingdom. pox continues in kingdom. alas. no happiness ever after. good night suffering fans. think good thoughts. if thrashers get swept by ranjerks send ‘em packing. amen.

By Thrasher_Ed

January 21, 2008 5:49 PM | Link to this

Sara, Darling! You don’t think Slava would waive that No-Trade Clause to go to Detroit? Get real, He do it in a minute. Yeah, he loves Atlanta. So does Hoss, but they both want to win the Cup. Odds of the Thrashers winning the Cup anytime soon, anyone??? anyone??? Astronomical!

By LAC

January 21, 2008 6:34 PM | Link to this

Sara Please explain why you think waddell is doing a decent job ?

Is his record of POOR drafting, letting good players go and replacing them with over the hill retreads… that NOBODY else wants, not enough ?

So what has he done during his tenure here that has made us a winner or at the very least a team nobody likes to play against ?

We are too old, we are too slow, we have a terrible defense and have since inception, so why should don waddell be allowed another minute as GM/Coach or whatever ?

Please let us know Sara, I would really like to hear why you support a man who, I feel is destroying the team and hockey in Atlanta.

Sara remember The Broad Street Bullies… AKA Philadelphia Flyers…

They beat up everyone on the scoreboard and on the ice… all except ONE team… and they admitted they hated to play The Atlanta Flames, we beat them on the scoreboard more times than not and kicked their butts on the ice…

Were you there Sara the night Ken Houston floored Dave Schultz and broke his jaw…? I was and it was great not to mention an 8-4 Atlanta WIN!

We are a SOFT team to play, everyone knows it, just watch the Rangers try to take advantage of this tuesday and thursday…

If we had a Cliff Fletcher caliber GM we would be a whole lot better than after 8 seasons of don waddell.

That’s why waddell should be canned let the kids come up and hustle and try, they may lose 10-1, but they would try… which is a LOT more than you get from this team assembled by the one and ONLY don waddell !

By sisu

January 21, 2008 6:35 PM | Link to this

One thing everyone seems to over look, the ASG is a basketball first owners, they always have been and have made no excuses for it. Name one person on the owners group that knows anything about hockey??? Also, as long as Hossa does not see the fact that he can be a part of the solution to making this team competitive then what’s the point? If Hoss gets traded then we simply bring up one of the guys from Chicago and ride out the season with who ever that is. It seems that based on Doell & Stewart’s performance so far guys like Larsen and company will be gone and the team get’s younger. There is no player out there that I see being traded that could step right in and make a difference. The coaching issue must be considered as well, what if we get a coach that doesn’t like the roster after we make a bunch of moves??? Fix the PP and you will see a big improvement. Kiwi could be a step in the that direction!

By Brendan

January 21, 2008 6:44 PM | Link to this

Craig, if I’m reading your post correctly, namely that a player’s RFA eligibility/status has little to nothing to do with “call ups” or “personnel decisions,” then the issue, vis-a-vis Boris Valabik, is that Don just ‘flat out’ doesn’t THINK Boris is GOOD ENOUGH.

Would you agree or disagree with that? If Don doesn’t think Boris Valabik is “NHL-ready” … does this open a few “options” for what to do with him? I’m just asking.

Last year, Braydon Coburn wasn’t developing “fast enough” for the franchise’s liking. He was then TRADED to Philadelphia for Alexei Zhitnik. I wonder if Don is thinking the SAME THING regarding Valabik?

Personally, since RFA STATUS is not really a factor in the decision-making, I hope DW will be more patient this time with Valabik. If Waddell really, truly doesn’t believe Boris came come up to the “bigs” and contribute in a meaningful way, then that’s his call. But if trades him for some mid-30 year-old pending FREE AGENT, like an Adam Foote, I think we have the right to “second-guess” him a little.

I mean, why DID Waddell draft Coburn and Valabik? Was it really just to eventually move for “proven NHL talent.” Because if that were the case, why not simply “trade the pick?” That isssss a “draft day-strategy.” Sometimes a GM will trade a pick for NHL players. It’s how Ottawa got rid of Yashin and picked up Jason Spezza, along with another important piece. But there it is.

I just don’t see why the organization has to keep on moving 1st round draft picks to pick up “yesteryear’s big thing”, who is not only on the back 9, but putting on the Clubhouse green. What is the point of all these picks? This is the “new NHL.” We’re supposed to get YOUNGER and FASTER, etc.

By Sage of Bluesland

January 21, 2008 6:46 PM | Link to this

Stop trying to talk sense into the sheep, LAC—it’s only a waste of time, sadly…

Yes, I too remember ‘Da Flame and they were gritty…I even wish we kept the name of the team—what a great historical reference (and a cool name for a hockey team)…

Too bad we’ve had brilliant Donny at our helm for the entire time—the results speak for themselves.

Pull the blinders off and face reality: Don Waddell must go.

By sisu

January 21, 2008 6:49 PM | Link to this

Ok, so consider these picks By DW: Kovy, Pasi, Heatley, Exelby, Toby, Sterling, Kari, Pavelic…see there are some really good ones. Not all picks are successes. Where would this team be without Kovy & Toby? Terrible I believe. I think the coaching has responsibility in how the team gets ready, we all seemed to be glad to see a coach who did not sugar coat things go in Hartley. Even with him gone the PP & PK is still average. How can it be that with Hossa & Kovy the power play is so bad? Coaching and commitment!

By Sam

January 21, 2008 6:58 PM | Link to this

We could put Zhitnik on waivers right now, as for as I’m concerned. But its worth seeing if anyone wants him at the trade deadline, too. Just get rid of him and his salary. McCarthy a good guy to have in the wings, but not a regular on the ice.

Jimmy, God love him, is no Colin Stuart and he’s no Kevin Doell. I’d take either of those guys over Slater or Larsen. Being brutal here, but hey, its getting down to the nitty-gritty. Plus, there’s no room for complacency and its time every player knows it.

Which brings me to Hossa. Personally, I like him and I’m assuming he’s either got a head trip over these contract negotiations or he’s nursing an injury and waiting til he’s signed to get surgery. Whatever the situation is, I’m OK with letting him go…for the right deal. If we can get a scorer who would share the load with Kovy, preferably a large center, then I say let Hoss go. No hard feelings. Just business, mate.

By ranallo10

January 21, 2008 7:15 PM | Link to this

LAC and Sage — Is your point that the GM of the Atlanta Flames was far superior to the GM of the Atlanta Thrashers?

If so, what happened to the Flames? They moved to Calgary. Who helped organize that move? That’d be Cliff Fletcher, the great GM in Atlanta’s brief history of NHL hockey in the 1970’s.

How good were the Atlanta Flames?? Good enough to never make it past the first round of the playoffs. In 1980 they finished 5th out of 11 teams in the Clarence Campbell Conference, 4th in their division.

Is that what you want this team to do??? Finish slightly above the average and continually lose in the first round of the playoffs???

I’m not saying Waddell is better, but to even try to compare the Thrashers to the Flames is ridiculous considering all the changes to the sport since 1980. You know, like helmets, athletic goalies, a double in competitive franchises…the little things.

By Brendan

January 21, 2008 7:18 PM | Link to this

Sisu, I think Waddell has drafted ‘better’ in recent years, but I couldn’t call him a “draft day guru.” I haven’t checked, but I think Waddell has made close to 100 NHL draft picks as our GM. If he’d landed 20 or so into the starting lineup, I’d think much more highly of him.

I’m not the sort who blames him for Patrik Stefan. But I also won’t give him an exceptional amount of credit for picks like Heater and Kovy, since well … my Aunt Bertha, who knows ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ABOUT HOCKEY, came up with Kovalchuk, back in 2001.

To me, the measure of good GM on draft day is found on his picks AFTER say, the 15th overall selection. Because that is the “crapshoot” area of the draft, the scouting, coupled with the instincts of the GM, come into play. They have to evaluate “character, skill, determination, focus, aptitutes, etc.” Waddell’s latter draft selections that were good are: Pavelec and Pasi Nurminen, for goalies. Enstrom and Exelby for blueliners. And I’d say … there’s hope for Colin Stuart, Brett Sterling, and Jordan LaVallee. Defenseman Chad Denny, Grant Lewis, and Nathan Oystrick have some chance, as well.

But the real bottom line is … who came here and PRODUCED FOR THE THRASHERS?, beyond the 15th overall pick, in these past eight seasons? The list isn’t long.

By LAC

January 21, 2008 8:25 PM | Link to this

Ranallo… right to a degree.

Thefact the Flames left town was more the fault of tom cousins rather than Fletcher.

He drafted well and we were ALWAYS fun to watch… remember the NYI & Philly were tough in the Patrick division…

But it was a different era… it was a slower game than today… But Cliff seems to always make a great trade and some solid drafting, something waddell has not yet learned to do.

Cliff Fletcher was not to blame for the Flames leaving… Lay that at the feet of cousins… And YES Fletcher is heads and shoulders better than waddell will ever be.

Lastly… Sage my friend you are CORRECT as Always !!!!!!!

By Alan

January 21, 2008 8:46 PM | Link to this

Olli Jokinen addressed trade rumors today. This is what he had to say about winning:

“To me it’s the easy way out looking elsewhere for other teams or going somewhere and trying to win happiness or win championships. I want to win here and hopefully we make some moves here.”

It’d be nice if Hossa thought like this, instead of thinking of himself. Sure, everyone wants to play for a cup contender. Just like everyone wants to be a cup contender. But the difference here is, Olli wants to try and help Florida be a contender, while Hossa wants to abandon ship to play for a contender.

I’ve got a whole new respect for Jokinen. Hossa, on the other hand? Well… we’ll see what happens before the deadline.

By BuzzEng

January 21, 2008 10:21 PM | Link to this

Bob - your “playoffs” post is a classic. I laughed out loud.

Alan - following your posts on the ‘Canes, I have to say that the ‘Canes have started recovering from their injury days and are looking good again.

Don’s objective, and the team’s objective, needs to be “winning the division”. That’s probably the only shot we’ll have to get in the playoffs. The bad news - I think only 15 of the 30-odd games are against SE teams. We need to win out in the SE and pick up some outside the SE, too. Two wins against the Rangers would sure be nice…but…

Stop me if you’ve heard this one: “The Thrashers really need this win…”

By Hockeyfan

January 21, 2008 10:43 PM | Link to this

There is only one place that Steve “Minus” McCarthy has excelled at this year and that is in the press box. See if he clears waivers. If he does, it is off to Chicago for him. If not, good riddance.

If we are going to trade Hossa (I dont think it will happen but if) then make Zhit part of the deal heading out.

By ranallo10

January 21, 2008 10:51 PM | Link to this

LAC — You’re right, obviously more of the blame for moving the franchise belongs to the owners and the nature of the franchise (competition with the WHL, weaker economy for hockey, etc). However, Fletcher did help organize the move, he didn’t fight to keep the team in Atlanta.

You’re also right, Fletcher seemed to do more with the team than Waddell did, and went on to further success in Calgary with the Flames. However, he wasn’t head and shoulders above Waddell in terms of his contemporaries…he was just slightly above average at putting together a “competitive” team during an era of slower more physical hockey. Also during an era of free spending (no salary restraints) and less competition (meaning a deeper pool of talent).

But that’s no excuse for Waddell. In my opinion Waddell is average, on most accounts, at putting together a competitive team. His trades have both flopped (Zhitnik, Krupp) and succeeded (Kozlov, Savard). His draft picks have both fizzled and blossomed. He may be a great guy (Heatley situation, never dragging a player through mud, etc), but he’s an average GM. At least he is TRYING (key word with much emphasis) to improve this franchise.

I don’t feel he should be run out of town for trying, especially since there are no obvious MORE SUCCESSFUL GM’s in the wings waiting to take over.

If Toronto cannot find a successful successor for their GM position (Ferguson Jr. is worse than Waddell), then clearly Atlanta is going to have a very hard time doing so as well.

I’m fine with Waddell at the helm, or someone else. All I care about is the final product on the ice, and right now I’m somewhat disappointed. I’m also the type of person who thinks “there’s always next year”, and this team isn’t to the point where I’m worried about future failures.

Sage — To save you the time constructing a post/rebuttal, I know you consider me a “Waddellite that listens to the obfuscating blubbering sheep herder we call a GM”. Personally, I’m happy I can drive 20 minutes to watch an NHL franchise that can be very exciting at times…that’s enough for me. If that makes me a “bewiever in Bwueland”, so be it. At least you’re not reading my b*** and moaning every time I post.

By Brendan

January 21, 2008 11:50 PM | Link to this

In the interests of being “open-minded,” I’ve ALWAYS SAID … that I’d like to hear Don Waddell’s side of things. But that day won’t come until he’s fired. I have a series of questions I’d love to have answered by him. And his answers could “drastically change” my opinion about what has happened and how much of the blame I assign to him.

I can honestly envision the day when Waddell says, “I respect your decision to fire me, fellas. I can get up and walk out that door without saying a ‘bad word’ and with my dignity. But I’ll tell ya RIGHT NOW. The next guy you hire to sit in “that chair” is going to tell you the same thing. You cannot be $8 million under the cap on “Opening Night. You cannot expect to be an ‘upper echelon’ team by nickel and diming Superstars (think Kovalchuk holdout in 2005) and Free Agents (Savard, Hossa). You cannot build for the future by trading away future (Tkachuk deal) and former draft picks (Coburn, Bourret … Valabik, Sterling??) for aging assets to squeak you into the playoffs on an annual basis.” And then, Waddell gets up … and walks out the door … to gather up his things. And say “goodbye” to his friends and coaching staff, etc.

Don Waddell did some “good things” here. He did outreach programs. Hockey camps. Fundraisers. Promotions. The way he handled the Synder tragedy was nothing short of remarkable. There was a playoff berth and a division title. That’s at least “something.” And I agree with Ranallo that Waddell is trying his level-best. The problem is … God Bless ‘im, he’s just an “average” GM, NO MATTER WHAT FORBES MAGAZINE SAYS (#6 best GM in all of pro sports). Another positive thing I can say about him is that … he SEEMINGLY wants to be here. Yes, occupying a GM spot that several would “decline, if offered.” I can’t even imagine that there’s someone out there that looks at the Atlanta Spirit Group and thinks, “Yeah, I could definitely see myself working for THOSE GUYS! Where do I sign??”

That said, I’d definitely ‘welcome’ a FRESH START with some new perspectives, if they hired a new GM. I can see it now. “Fellas, I want to sign D-man Brian Campbell in the offseason. I need $6 million.” “Here ‘new GM guy’, says the ASG, “here’s $3.75M. Sign WHATEVER you can. I’ll authorize up to 4-years on the deal.” The new GM says, “But … I’ll only be able to target a TIER TWO-type defenseman. That’s not what this team needs.” And the ASG responds, “So, coach ‘em up to a TIER ONE guy.” At that moment, the new GM stares at the picture of his wife and kids on his desk … and thinks, “What have I done? I can’t quit in my very 1st year! And there’s no way I can keep Kovalchuk in 2010, if they don’t authorize $10-$11 million a year for at least 8 years. I’m already a ‘lame-duck’ GM!”

Think about it.

By Alan

January 21, 2008 11:59 PM | Link to this

Stop me if you’ve heard this one: “The Thrashers really need this win…”

And we do. Washington beat Pittsburgh today. This means we’ve both got 49pts, putting us in a tie for 2nd place.

Our players need to play with heart and soul these next two games, or we can kiss second place goodbye as well.

By R. Stroz

January 22, 2008 1:40 AM | Link to this

Here’s an idea to wake the ASG owners up a little.

Call your ASG representative and say, “You know I’m concerned that the owners really don’t want to put a first rate product on the ice; therefore, I’m holding off any ticket package purchases until I see what the owners allow the general manager to spend on free agents who will truely help the team. I really love hockey; but, I don’t want to see third rate talent signed anymore and pitched as first rate talent. So when the owners are willing to pony up for some top tier defensemen to help the goalies and a top tier center to help out Kovy and Hossa, if Hossa is still around, I’m going to sit on my wallet until I see the free agent signings after July 1. I really don’t want to see Kovy hit the road in two years because we the fans didn’t express our displeasure with the owners unwillingness to give him the tools he needed to be the best player in the NHL. So, as a fan, I’m taking a stand now for the good of the franchise.”

Besides, without the All-Star Game as a carrot for ticket packages, a good team is the only selling point the representatives have available. Lets put some early pressure on the reps and let them run it up the management chain.

By LAC

January 22, 2008 2:14 AM | Link to this

Ranallo… Ok I see your point, However… IF… The product on the ICE is not as good as it should or could be… Then who is to blame ?

I realize these owners are way out of their league and should sell to a party that has a burning desire to WIN on a yearly basis.

But waddell is really BAD, his drafting is awful !

A lot on here are calling for Boris to come up, Then several say he cannot skate, ok, but if that is indeed the case for him not being here, WHY I ask was he a NUMBER #1 draft pick ?

waddell is more suited for an assistant GM someplace, not THE GM.

I understand the owners being idiots and having his hands tied $wise.

But why did he go after holik who has been a complete BUST, Todd White for 4 seasons yikes… and so on.

I just get sick of the retreads he continues to bring in. Like Klee, we had Hindy a 16+ last season and scored the most goals from our defensemen last season. But he was LET GO andnow wehave Klee who is worse than Hnidy ever was…

So the beat goes on Ranallo, look how Washington is doing, YOUNG defense scoring and look at us… taking on more water than The Titanic if we finish in fourth place I will be amazed… Simply put the whole thing is now a giant MESS and getting worse with a sorry product on the ICE.

Lastly… remember Buffalo, on a TEN game losing streak, STOMP us 10-1 then lose to Leafs and tonight LOSE 6-2 to Phoenix,,,Just Great don, just great !

BTW… Flames had a better than 500 record every year except the 72-73 season… Thrashers have not been that close.

By tbone

January 22, 2008 7:38 AM | Link to this

If Waddell is in the house then I’m staying in mine.

By Jim

January 22, 2008 9:03 AM | Link to this

I watched the Pens-Caps game last night and watched “kids” on both teams roar up and down the ice. Announcers pointed out that those two teams and Flyers had committed to a one year youth movement and it was now paying dividends for them. Obviously their senior management/owners were commited to a long term strategy. Seems to me that BH and DW had both been too focused on “today” and “their job” to make that type of a commitment. Instead, we have an over the hill crew clutching, grabbing and falling short. DW doesn’t dare make such a bold move knowing that it does take time for kids to settle in. So, we will fall far short of the playoffs this year. I only hope that he doesn’t keep throwing away some of the better young talent. Coburn has developed into Philly’s best D man and is playing an open, moving styple paired with Hatcher. The kids are 30-11 at Chicago and leading the league. How about playing their home games at Phillips and having the old guys play at Rosemount in Chicago? Be more exciting for us True Blue fans. Sorry to be such a downer but I have little hope that we’ll see real change and improvement until the ownership makes some moves after the season.

By Bob

January 22, 2008 9:33 AM | Link to this

The problem is … God Bless ‘im, he’s just an “average” GM

I beg to differ on this one Brendan. I would give my right hand for an average GM right about now.

An average GM would have taken the unreal bonanza of Heatley at #2 overall, Kovy at #1 overall, and the #2 overall pick (that Waddell wasted on Lehtonen) and built a solid contender by now. An average GM would have had us in the playoffs year in and year out by now. Not the oldest team in the league in it’s 8th year and in need of rebuilding.

A great GM would have had us in the Conference or Cup Finals by now.

A bad GM would have us, well, where we are today.

Call your ASG representative and say, “You know I’m concerned that the owners really don’t want to put a first rate product on the ice; therefore, I’m holding off any ticket package purchases until I see what the owners allow the general manager to spend on free agents who will truely help the team

We plan to do exactly that when they come calling for next year. Except the first thing on my list is that they get a real GM in here, everything else is moot until that happens.

If Waddell is in the house then I’m staying in mine

Oh, I’ve never made a sign and taken it to a hockey game before, but if you don’t do it, can I steal your great slogan?

By EROCK

January 22, 2008 9:36 AM | Link to this

Jim —-One of the announcers last night was our very own Daren Elliott..He cant come right out and say it because he is on our payroll…but you can clearly read between the lines of what he was saying the direction of the THRASHERS is way off base….WE ARE LOSING AND WE ARE THE 2ND OLDEST TEAM IN THE LEAGUE!!!

By tbone

January 22, 2008 11:09 AM | Link to this

Bob Since I won’t be at the games feel free to use it.

By MB

January 22, 2008 11:12 AM | Link to this

So it’s just been announced that Bernie Mullin resigned.

CC, any thoughts on how that may affect Dandy Don?

By Boulton's Bruisers

January 22, 2008 11:12 AM | Link to this

Bernie Mullin just quit. Hopefully we can idiot Waddell to go with him…

The Rangers are gonna kick our a++es tonight… BAD!

By Gsu-Lee

January 22, 2008 11:35 AM | Link to this

Brendan, sorry for the late post, but I just read the “Bob hartley rule” post and ya know, like, it was funny.

By Boulton's Bruisers

January 22, 2008 11:48 AM | Link to this

Leafs just fired GM JFJ per TSN.

By ryan

January 22, 2008 12:26 PM | Link to this

any word on whos in goal tonite craig??

By R. Stroz

January 22, 2008 12:53 PM | Link to this

Do any of you know anything about Kris Beech, the center that the Canucks just put on waivers?

Is this guy a younger, cheaper version of Holik?

By chickenhawk

January 22, 2008 12:56 PM | Link to this

Canucks placed C Kris Beech on waivers. Waddell ought to grab him, he’s cheap (500k a year). Cheaper than Jim Slater and better offensively.

By chickenhawk

January 22, 2008 1:06 PM | Link to this

Stroz, Beech is a former 1st rounder. He has put up good #’s for the Canucks. I have a feeling this is a precursor to a big trade for Vancouver… given their recent struggles.

By GaVaHokie

January 22, 2008 1:10 PM | Link to this

This is Beech’s second trip on waivers… once with WSH now with VAN… that’s a red flag. I’d say no.

By MB

January 22, 2008 1:12 PM | Link to this

And who, you might ask, is the interim GM of the Laffs following Ferguson’s departure?

None other than Cliff Fletcher, referred to earlier in this blog in a conversation between LAC, Sage, and Ranallo.

By chickenhawk

January 22, 2008 1:21 PM | Link to this

Hey hokie, do you even watch Vancouver games? I would guess not. Beech has been one of their better offensive players as of late. They only did this because they are trying to make room for a trade. If we grab him off waivers we probably only pay about 250K for him. Thats chump change.

By GaVaHokie

January 22, 2008 1:30 PM | Link to this

I find it funny that Ferguson got fired because a team with Sundin, Tucker, Blake, Kaberle, Kubina, McCabe and Toskala can’t win games.

When do players and coaches become accountable?

The mentality of “Blake isn’t scoring enough, fire Ferguson” or “Tucker doesn’t seem to have it this year, fire Ferguson” baffles me.

It’s a great roster that’s underacheiving… who’s fault is that?

By Bob

January 22, 2008 1:31 PM | Link to this

manager Don Waddell, executive VP/sales and marketing Lou DePaoli, chief legal officer Scott Wilkinson and Philips Arena president Bob Williams will report to the owners rather than to a team president

Sweet, the first shoe has dropped, now the owners on directly on top of Waddell. This is the first step towards what will fix this franchise, folks. Waddell has the owners right on him now, I’ve figured all along they were the ones that told him to get down on the bench and fix it. This also makes sure that the owners will have direct veto on any move Waddell is to make (i.e. dumb trades that further handicap our future). You can also see it in how the owners sat in on the recent meeting with Hoss. Brendan, I’ve been trying to tell you the bloom was off of Waddell’s rose with the owners.

Mullin didn’t resign folks, that’s corporate speak for “resign gracefully or you’re fired”.

I see a light at the end of the tunnel, the owners get it and are starting to make the right moves.

By Pablo

January 22, 2008 1:33 PM | Link to this

I would take him over Larson and Slater at Centre. They have 1 goal combined! OUCH!

By GaVaHokie

January 22, 2008 1:39 PM | Link to this

chickenhawk… he’s only played 4 games for Vancouver. He has one goal and one assist… so what?

You only get him for half-price on re-entry waivers.

Allow me to correct myself, he was unqualified by the Capitals, signed by the Blue Jackets, waived, claimed by Vancouver and now, waived again… no thanks.

By GaVaHokie

January 22, 2008 1:41 PM | Link to this

chickenhawk… and furthermore, it wasn’t just for making bench room. He was a [healthy scratch the last couple of games] (http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/players/2019/news).

By GaVaHokie

January 22, 2008 1:45 PM | Link to this

Bob… ownership has always been right on top of Waddell. That’s why Bernie Mullen left… he wasn’t serving any purpose. He wasn’t even a middle man.

By Boulton's Bruisers

January 22, 2008 1:55 PM | Link to this

From what I understood, Bernie Mullin was the ONLY Atlanta Spirit owner that even knew ANYTHING about Hockey. There is one other guy too that goes to most of the games, but his name slips me…

By chickenhawk

January 22, 2008 2:04 PM | Link to this

I love how Hokie TRIES to make decisions on players he has never even seen! He keeps saying “Pass on this player, pass on that player”, And you see he never even answered my question! I asked him if he has seen Beech play in a game and gives me some crap #’s from Yahoo!

Hokie have you SEEN Slater play? How about Brad Larsan, a LEFT WING we have playing center? Have you SEEN him play, or are you going to say they are OK based on the stats you read on Yahoo?

Get real man. Don’t pass judgment when you don’t know the facts…

By R. Stroz

January 22, 2008 2:13 PM | Link to this

Ok, let me rephrase my question, has anyone seen Kris Beech play, and if so, is he a younger, faster, cheaper version of Holik?

By GaVaHokie

January 22, 2008 2:17 PM | Link to this

Okay Chickenhawk… Beech is awesome, we should definitely sign him!…Is that what you wanted?

I wasn’t showing you Stats, I was showing you the fact that he was a healthy scratch. Read the “News and Notes” on the link I posted.

Yes, I have seen Kris Beech play more than he deserves to be watched… But no, not recently, and only once for Vancouver. But I don’t have to watch him, I know he sucks! Just like Larsen and Slater. How many league minimum guys do you want on this team?

Seriously, You’d have to suck to make league minimum and teams STILL waive you.

By GaVaHokie

January 22, 2008 2:19 PM | Link to this

Boulton’s Bruisers… Bruce Levenson is a former GM of the Washington Capitals, so he knows about hockey… I would hope.

Mullin is a soccer guy.

By Boulton's Bruisers

January 22, 2008 2:25 PM | Link to this

GaVaHokie — Yes, that is the guy I was thinking of! Thanks.

By Boulton's Bruisers

January 22, 2008 2:27 PM | Link to this

The rest of the owners are all basketball guys.

By R. Stroz

January 22, 2008 2:30 PM | Link to this

Hokie & chickenhawk - Thank you for your input. I wasn’t trying to start any wars today. Remember, sometimes people has different opinions on the same subject.

Just think of all the stupid people who vote for Hilary.

By R. Stroz

January 22, 2008 2:30 PM | Link to this

Hokie & chickenhawk - Thank you for your input. I wasn’t trying to start any wars today. Remember, sometimes people have different opinions on the same subject.

Just think of all the stupid people who vote for Hilary.

By JJ

January 22, 2008 2:34 PM | Link to this

Malkin is replacing Crosby at the ASG, who replacing Stastny? And for that matter who’s gonna replace Zuboz and Zetterberg when they cant go Does it have to be a member of the team that loses a Star AV(s) , etc

By GaVaHokie

January 22, 2008 2:41 PM | Link to this

Stroz… better Hilary than Romney.

Let’s keep the Rush Limbaugh tactics out of the Thrashers blog, shall we?

By GaVaHokie

January 22, 2008 2:49 PM | Link to this

JJ… you just made me realize the All Star Game has the same initials as the Atlanta Spirit Group… ASG. Freaky!! :)

I’d say Brad Boyes is a good candidate, as well as Corey Perry and Mike Ribiero.

On defense… going by statistics, I’d have to say M. Schneider (ANA) or Brent Burns (MIN). But if I’m going off of guys that I just WATCH, it would have to be Kris Beech. ;)

By Bob

January 22, 2008 3:03 PM | Link to this

Just think of all the stupid people who vote for Hilary

Oh, this is just classic, I read what you wrote and thought “uh, oh, I bet there’s more than a couple that blog on there that are probably Hitlary backers” and thought “like Hokie, he’s wrong about everything else” … and sure enough, he blogged right after you.

Classic.

Stroz, Beech isn’t a Holik. Beech came into the league with some good prospects as an offensive center, I think he came up with the Caps, no? He’s more like a Metropolit, a guy that’s useless if he’s not playing on one of the top two lines. Decent skills, only way I see that working for us for this year would be if they trade Holik, then you bump Perrin down to the checking line and he got take that spot as a fill in. Never know, mabye the guy could turn his game around, it’s not like our organ-I-zation is chock full of C prospects. We’d only owe him 1/2 price, 1/4 price if he made it to re-entry waivers, seems like no risk.

By ranallo10

January 22, 2008 3:07 PM | Link to this

MB — What a very interesting coincidence…

By GaVaHokie

January 22, 2008 3:07 PM | Link to this

JJ… here’s your answer, just announced. Neidermayer, Perry and Ribiero

By JJ

January 22, 2008 3:19 PM | Link to this

Niedermayer an All star , This YEAR Kidding right The third line checker in an All star game … NO You meen the guy whos played for Two Weeks The NHL “YOU GOTTA LOVE IT”

By GaVaHokie

January 22, 2008 3:21 PM | Link to this

I’m not a Hillary backer… she’s just a better choice than Romney. I’m not impressed with any of the candidates so far… especially Romney. He reminds me of some evil Major from a super hero movie.

See no one’s paying attention yet, and it’s gonna be real funny when some GOP a***** (probably Romney or McCain) who thinks he’s leading in the polls, stands up in front of the country come September and spouts off how we should continue the war.

Watch the backtracking of… uh uh family values and education…. uh uh liberty, freedom.

By Craig Custance

January 22, 2008 3:46 PM | Link to this

Zhitnik in, Popo out. Kari in goal.

MB: I don’t see Mullin’s resignation having a big trickle down to the hockey side of things. Don reported directly to the owners already, this just makes it official.

By David

January 22, 2008 3:49 PM | Link to this

Maybe this has been talked about and I haven’t seen it, but what about the Sundin rumors? I wouldn’t mind a trade of like, Holik, Moose and Zhitnik for Sundin and Raycroft. And then go shopping for a quality defenseman.

By Sara

January 22, 2008 4:07 PM | Link to this

re: Mullin, John Kincade posted on the nest site that Bernie is going to be on his show this afternoon and apparently there is a good bit of background story to all of this. Might be interesting to know what this is, no?

Bob do you by-chance swing to the right? Surely not, since you would actually dare to expect someone at the top to take personal accountability for their actions and decisions. ;p

By Buzilla Baby Blues

January 22, 2008 4:24 PM | Link to this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chickenhawk_%28sexuality%29

By jen

January 22, 2008 4:31 PM | Link to this

I wouldn’t touch Raycroft with a 10 foot pole that had a 3 ft flag and a 4 ft chicken attached to it.

By GaVaHokie

January 22, 2008 4:40 PM | Link to this

David… Sundin would have to agree to it, and I don’t think he would.

By Thorburn's Thugs

January 22, 2008 4:51 PM | Link to this

I bet this team comes out flat as hell AGAIN tonight! Would you be surpised? Not me.

As for the Mullin thing, I think he got fired and this is some PR move to say “he resigned”.

If I am Hossa, there is NO WAY I re-sign in Atlanta… This joke of a ownership group would scare me away!

By LAC

January 22, 2008 4:59 PM | Link to this

“Our team performance has fallen short of what is to be expected,” Michael Geron, president and CEO of Atlanta Sprit Group said during a news conference at the Philips Arena. “We need to forge the start of a new beginning for (the) Atlanta Thrashers.”

WOW What’s THIS… More RESPECT ?

By Smoothie

January 22, 2008 5:56 PM | Link to this

Looking for the best deal on NHL CenterIce through DirecTV — who is it who posts on this blog (Tony C. perhaps?) about special pricing for the HD CenterIce package? Of course, I can’t remember if that person was advocating / promoting Comcast versus Dish / Satellite but I would love any feedback on the subject matter from those in the know. I just purchased a 46” LCD TV with DirectTV as my provider. I am so stoked to watch hockey in Hi-Def but I don’t want to pay the full $169 as the season is half over.

Anyone? Anyone?? Bueller??

By Gsu-Lee

January 22, 2008 6:36 PM | Link to this

Sara, Lame political cheap shot there.

By Brendan

January 22, 2008 6:36 PM | Link to this

Smoothie, I haven’t heard of a discount yet on Center Ice. I called Comcast, and all they offer is the full-price, $169.00.

Craig, is Valabik still in Chicago because Waddell thinks Boris just plain “isn’t good enough?” I’m buying into the RFA eligibility has nothing to do with it angle. I wonder if Waddell will want to “showcase him,” if he really is considering a trade involving Valabik.

Bob, I stand corrected. You got me. When I do think about how this team could have had Heatley, Nash and Kovalchuk, plus a free agent goaltender from that time (2002-2003), it frosts me a little. (Free Agent goaltenders on the OPEN MARKET between those years included Dominek Hasek, Curtis Joseph, Ed Belfour, Nicholai Khabibulin, Evgeni Nabokov, and Miikka Kiprussoff. Though Kippur was NEVER REALLY available, since Sutter had control of him when he went to Calgary from San Jose.) Bob, think we woulda made the playoffs back in 2003-04? I do. Heatley, Nash, and Kovalchuk. In a worst case scenario, Heatley, Bouwmeester (2002 draft pick) and Kovalchuk. We needed D-men, too. Bygones. Then again, we would have missed out on Byron Dafoe. And who really wanted that?? :)

By Craig Custance

January 22, 2008 6:53 PM | Link to this

Brendan: You can interpret it any way you please, but it seems to me that if they really thought he was ready right now, he’d be in Atlanta.

By Brendan

January 22, 2008 7:01 PM | Link to this

I agree with you, Craig. I wonder what it is … that they don’t like? Is it his “skating?”

By LAC

January 22, 2008 7:41 PM | Link to this

15-4 SOG with Atlanta with 4… we are going to get PASTED AGAIN tonight… This team and GM STINK !

By LAC

January 22, 2008 7:44 PM | Link to this

Whining NYR announcers Kovy nailed the guy in FINE Fashion, Get a LIFE Sam Rosen and Joe Micholetti… Get a life you JERKS !

Not a dumb play SAM, legal as HELL !!!!!

By jason

January 22, 2008 7:49 PM | Link to this

Better tell that to Odgers and Kamal then too, because Odgers said it was okay to try and fire up the team, but the hit is one the NHL is trying to get out of the game.

By R. Stroz

January 22, 2008 7:55 PM | Link to this

Could someone explain the difference between Straka hitting Enstrom from behind face first in the boards earlier in the season without a penalty call, yet when Kovy does the same thing, he gets tossed.

By Big Bill

January 22, 2008 8:03 PM | Link to this

Lame preformance, just like three week old dishwater… The Thrashers are going nowhere except to the draft lottery I am afraid.

Not fast/tough/smart and zero passion for the game, if this does not spell Don Waddell’s demise what in the hell will ???

By silverpork

January 22, 2008 8:05 PM | Link to this

LAC, that hit wasn’t even close to being legal. Kovy left his feet, and pasted a guy who was clearly the facing the boards in a vulnerable position. Based on the previous elbow he threw, you’ve got to wonder if there wasn’t also an intent to injure. It will be interesting to see if the NHL is willing to dish a suspension on top of the game-misconduct to it’s leading goal-scorer.

By R. Stroz

January 22, 2008 8:13 PM | Link to this

Is this a hockey game or ring around the goalie?

By PJ

January 22, 2008 8:15 PM | Link to this

RStroz I believe Enstrom did not lay on the ground and wait for the whistle, while a fight ensued around him. No, he got up and wanted to get right back in the game.

By Jonesboro_pete

January 22, 2008 8:20 PM | Link to this

Why was Slava going off the ice and let his man go in all alone ?

What is up with type lackluster play ?

Kovy hit was not that bad,look at the replay’s… From the back, but there are a lot worse dished out every night around the NHL.

By KL

January 22, 2008 8:36 PM | Link to this

Hello? 911? This is Kari Lehtonen, I’d like to report a missing team?

By john

January 22, 2008 8:56 PM | Link to this

The thing that p** me off most is that even though this team never plays with any passion, the same jerks will be put right back on the icelater this week. There never seems to be any consequences for poor performances with this team. Noone ever gets benched. Noone ever gets called up (barring injury). Noone is held accountable for their performance. I HATE this team.

By Bob

January 22, 2008 9:01 PM | Link to this

Damn, Lehts is playing a hell of a game, could easily be 7-0 by now.

I fully expect a one game suspension for Kovy. He took two runs at him and lept at the second one. It was dirty and Kovy was trying to hurt him. If Ovechkin connected with Malkin last night, he’d be sitting out a game as well.

I guess Avery gets under Kovy’s skin pretty bad, he was chirping at him prior to that incident and all the Ranjerks were high fiving Avery at the end of the period.

Complete and utter meltdown. And they have to sit there for two days and do it again.

Cheer up, this is all falling in around Waddell and he’ll finally be gone. We’ll be one of the few sellers at the deadline and the buyers will be numerous, we should be able to stock up with lots of ammunition for the new GM to come in and take off with.

Fletcher is only a stopgap in Tronna, apparently. Mabye some of the old Flames can talk him into coming back at year’s end and saving hockey in Atlanta. The damage Waddell has done to this club is deep, but not irreparable. Look what Burke did in Anaheim turning them around quickly and what Philly’s new GM did in one short year! It’s always darkest before the dawn.

By B. Thenet

January 22, 2008 9:17 PM | Link to this

We do not have the money that Philly and Anaheim had to do the quick fix. Plus we don’t even have the track record of recent success that those teams had that would encourage players to sign with them in the first place.

The sad thing is, I doubt the team has the money to hire a new coach…or fire the GM at this point.

I do not want another trade deadline where DW is making deals to save his job, getting fleeced by GMs, and in general making it even harder for the next GM to turn this sad situation around.

By Sage of Bluesland

January 22, 2008 9:29 PM | Link to this

Sheepspin at its finest, folks, reading the lamenting by some of the “Baaaahh”ers…

Brilliant Donny is next. At least, for the sake of the franchise—or what’s left of it—I hope and pray…

By Russ

January 22, 2008 10:01 PM | Link to this

The all-star break is going to come at a terrible time for the Thrashers with all this momentum they’re building up for their “playoff” push.

Suddenly my preseason prediction for 11th in the East is looking awfully optimistic.

By LAC

January 22, 2008 10:43 PM | Link to this

Bob’s right waddell is killing the Thrashers, watch the attendence dwindle over the next few weeks as the team coasts through more and more lopsided losses, How many times have we been shutout ?

More than anyone in the NHL, we seldom get 20 shots on goal, just another example of a CRAP team put togather by THE WORST GM IN PRO SPORTS…STUPID waddell.

FIRE waddell BY MORNING !

By seth

January 22, 2008 10:48 PM | Link to this

Went to tonight’s game at MSG (aka Obstructed View Garden). Anyhow, what a disgraceful, pathetic showing by the Thrashers. Wish I had gone straight home after work!

By seth

January 22, 2008 10:48 PM | Link to this

Went to tonight’s game at MSG (aka Obstructed View Garden). Anyhow, what a disgraceful, pathetic showing by the Thrashers. Wish I had gone straight home after work!

By Thorburn's Thugs

January 23, 2008 11:13 AM | Link to this

By Thorburn’s Thugs

January 22, 2008 4:51 PM | Link to this

I bet this team comes out flat as hell AGAIN tonight! Would you be surpised? Not me.

Well, well, I was absoulutely right. No heart, no passion, terrible coaching. No leadership, DUMB Owners, and an IDIOT for a GM! Looks like this SORRY, PATHETIC EXCUSE of a team is heading for the draft lottery.

How sad is it that the fans can predict this crap hours before the game and they come out and continue with the crappy play? Absolutely nauseating!! If I have to look at Waddell on the bench one more time i’m gonna VOMIT!!!

John Anderson, please report to MSG today. Thank you.

By MB

January 23, 2008 12:33 PM | Link to this

So Don says the boys were “sleepy” to start the game.

Sleepy? Sleepy?

My young nephew gets sleepy in the afternoon. My old dog gets sleepy lying in a sunbeam.

Professional hockey players do not get “sleepy” playing at Madison Square Garden as they fight for their playoff lives!

CC, as you mentioned way up at the top, the spotlight is being turned on to this franchise with the ASG in town, and what it’s going to illuminate is not pretty.

Ugh.

By Pi$$ed OFF Fan!

January 23, 2008 1:46 PM | Link to this

Let the trades begin!

What a lame roster! A bunch of guys NOBODY wants. Except for WADDELL! The MORON he is!

Absolutely disgracing Atlanta! The ASG is in town and all we’re gonna hear about is this crap-a++ team’s inability to WIN!

WADDELL cannot DRAFT, he cannot TRADE properly, HE IS THE LAUGHING STOCK OF THE LEAGUE!

WADDELL You better be on the phone making deals right now!

TOMORROW NIGHT IS A MUST WIN GAME! IF YOU DO NOT WIN, WADDELL WILL BE CANNED ON FRIDAY, 2 DAYS BEFORE THE ASG! I will be laughing my A++ off when he gets fired right before the All-Star game in his own city!!!

If that is not sending a message, I don’t know what will!