Thrashers

By PuckedUP

October 4, 2007 2:05 PM | Link to this

Hey Craig, I am one of those folks that is more than a little worried about Hossa. Want to see him stay, but if the beginning of the season doesn’t look good what incentive does he have for staying?

I also saw a posting on the nasty nest site that suggested if the beginning of the season went badly that Hartley could get shown the door, which could have a positive impact on Hossa re-signing with the Thrash.

Looking forward to tomorrow night.

By ranallo10

October 4, 2007 2:28 PM | Link to this

To answer your question Craig, I think Heatley’s contract naturally helps set the market for Hossa, but I don’t believe it will be a negotiating point for Waddell (maybe for Hossa’s agent though).

Heatley is the most comparable player to Hossa who RECENTLY signed, and thus understandably would be a person to compare figures with. Thornton, Marleau, and Iginla all re-signed recently, but have different roles on their team than Hossa does for this team. Since two of the three play different positions also, I’d say they have less comparisons to Hossa as Heatley does.

The two reasons I don’t believe Waddell will use it as a negotiating point are:

1 — When Kovalchuk was in the process of re-signing a few years ago, Waddell said to the AJC that he does not use other contracts as a base from which to determine his own players worth. The example was the contract Rick Nash signed, which many figured would set Kovalchuk’s asking price. He said something along the lines of “other players are in different situations, which mandate the contract they feel the deserve, and ultimately agree to”.

2 — Heatley serves a different role on the roster than Hossa does, and is arguably less important to his team than Hossa. In other words, Hossa would make more money in Atlanta due to his veteran leadership role, than Heatley would IN ATLANTA. Hossa situation IN ATLANTA is different than Heatley’s IN OTTAWA. So therefore the only similarities between the two is position, playing style (which isn’t the same), and point production.

By Craig Custance

October 4, 2007 2:31 PM | Link to this

Puck — Yeah, if things are really ugly to start the season, I don’t think that would help the cause.

By Rawhide

October 4, 2007 2:58 PM | Link to this

BH being shown the door would be a disaster. It would mean that we are floundering in the standings and have taken a giant step backwards.

Ungood.

It would mean bringing in a new coach,….whos out there??? A minor league coach trying to break into the bigs???

Ungood.

It would mean Hossa would be looking out to see who might be a good team to shop his talents to, and not looking to stay here.

Ungood.

The Thrashers HAVE to get off to a good start,…otherwise it will all be, well, UNGOOD!

GO THRASHERS!!!!

By Sara

October 4, 2007 3:07 PM | Link to this

As I said in the other blog, I don’t think the Heatley contract really matters here because I think Don has already set his number higher than what Dany signed for (you have to bank on Hoss getting a raise). I’m ok with paying Hoss $8 mill on average, although I think it would behoove Don to front-load that contract in terms of actual cash outlays. My thinking there should become apparent in the next section.

I had an interesting thought (happens occassionally). From what has been said previously, apparently Hossa’s biggest issue is playing for a team that is a true Stanley Cup contender. If he thinks Atlanta might be that team, would he still ask for big money knowing that in order to keep together the talent that makes the Thrashers a contender would require lots of money all the way around? Kovy, Lehts, Slava - few more years and some of our other young guys are going to be headed into contract negotiations again. Therefore, if the team commits $8+ mill to Hossa for four or five years, then has to commit the same (or higher) to Kovy in another couple of years (contracts are overlapping at this point) - do we still have money for Kari/Pavelec, Little, Enstrom, etc etc as these guys (if as good as predicted) will be getting raises? We’ll still have Todd White’s contract to handle, plus Slava may need replacing. I guess bottom line is, a huge contract to Hossa could potentially handicap this team and end up undermining the goal he says he wants most. So is Hoss willing to put his money where his mouth is so to speak and take less to get a Cup (and that is a situation not unique simply to the Thrashers).

If Hossa wants the best of both worlds, it’s going to take a team with lots of young talent (read: cheaper players that still kick butt). Then you still have a competitive team with enough cap space to pay him well. I think we fit the bill there, but then again, so do some other teams.

As for the part about being nervous about entering the season without him under contract - can’t say as I am. It’s not an unusual situation and I think we have an opportunity to really sell Hossa on staying in Atlanta. If the team can work hard, be successful, that will go a looong way. And in the meantime, the rest of us can keep showin’ Hoss the hockey love to let him know how much we want him here (which certainly can’t hurt and ought to definitely help - everyone likes to be loved!)

Thought I would throw that out there.

By TB

October 4, 2007 3:08 PM | Link to this

I don’t see the Heatley signing having much of an impact on the Hossa situation. From my understanding, it’s not a matter of how much money Hossa can get. It is a matter of whether or not Hossa wants to stay here.

By Josh

October 4, 2007 3:08 PM | Link to this

I think you’re exactly right, I really think Hossa wants to see what this team is going to look like before he considers a deal. I don’t think the money to sign him is going to be a problem with Holik’s 4 million definetely coming off the table at the end of the season.

By CM

October 4, 2007 3:12 PM | Link to this

“Ungood”

LOL

By Russ

October 4, 2007 3:33 PM | Link to this

Rawhide - John Anderson, coach of the Chicago Wolves, will be an excellent NHL coach someday. If it ever comes to Hartley being shown the door he would make an ideal replacement, in my opinion.

By Rawhide

October 4, 2007 3:34 PM | Link to this

CM - regarding your kind words in CC’s “biggest impact” blog,…..you will always be my favorite Schmoe.

By ranallo10

October 4, 2007 3:45 PM | Link to this

Russ — I agree. Anderson’s molded very competitive teams in his relatively short tenure in Chicago, and could be a viable option in the NHL. I’m not sure if he’d take that shot (seems to enjoy working with young players), but I would not mind seeing him behind the Atlanta bench.

By Midfield

October 4, 2007 3:57 PM | Link to this

I’m with Rawhide on this one. This dead horse about Hossa looking for a Cup contender is getting old and stinchy. He needs to look in the mirror first and figure out if it’s in him to contend for the Cup. Granted, it’s not just him, it’s also the goaltending, defense and allthat. But, if he’s not looking toward being a 3rd line winger and being paid accordingly, his destiny in his own hockey gloves.

By the way, Hartley did win the Cup. Hossa did not.

By Bob

October 4, 2007 3:59 PM | Link to this

“He knows what’s right for him, so he did it,”

I think Hossa said it all right there. “what’s right for him”

Heatley’s contract definitely sets the bar for Hoss and the team trying to sign him and Hoss’ agent will both use that contract as one to hold up for comparison.

What I’m reading between the lines from Hossa is that he’s saying it’s not right for him to sign anything now. I really think we’re going to see our last year out of Hoss, he wants to pick the team he plays for next year. I would guess he wouldn’t mind playing up in NY next year with his brother on the biggest stage.

The big question Waddell will have is does he just let Hoss walk next summer, or does he deal him at the deadline? I don’t see any way he just lets him walk. If he knows Hoss isn’t going to resign here, then he could deal him before the deadline if we’re struggling and he can get a great return. Given the right return, that might be the best thing for this club. He can’t let Heatley turn into a big nothing, have to get something out of that asset.

By Rawhide

October 4, 2007 4:01 PM | Link to this

RANALLO & RUSS - Personally, I don’t wanna see it happen.

If for no other reason then the fact that it would mean the team was struggling.

The Thrashers have improved every year BH has been here. I expect the same to be true this season.

Now, let’s put the whole subject to rest. It’s giving the the schpilkis.

By Bob

October 4, 2007 4:05 PM | Link to this

John Anderson, coach of the Chicago Wolves, will be an excellent NHL coach someday. If it ever comes to Hartley being shown the door he would make an ideal replacement, in my opinion.

Yep, especially seeing how we have young guys on the club now in need of molding. You know Anderson would have a million or so reasons to leave his minor league salary behind and absolutely jump at the chance.

By GSU-Lee

October 4, 2007 4:07 PM | Link to this

I think that the Heatley signing helps the Thrashers a little bit because it is within reason in terms of a perennial superstar’s contract.

By Sara

October 4, 2007 4:14 PM | Link to this

Bob - but what does Waddell do if Hossa isn’t showing his hand? Right now, Hoss is playing middle of the road - he won’t commit to staying in Atlanta but he isn’t ruling it out. If he maintains that position, then how exactly is Don to know for sure what to do? Especially if this club is heading for a playoff berth come deadline time? At that point, he may have to run the risk of letting Hoss walk for nothing and you can’t reasonably blame him for that decision.

Midfield I definitely agree that Hossa’s apparent jabbering about wanting to be on a Cup contender is rather ironic given his own playoff history. I will submit, though, that I wouldn’t really say that Hartley has won a Cup - he was handed a ready-made successful (primarily veteran) team which already knew how to win on it’s own. That team also ultimately blew up in his face - hence the reason he is now here, instead of still there. I personally think Hartley still has a lot to prove - I see a lot of negatives in the way he manages a team. If this team implodes this season - I’m blaming him and I likely won’t be the only one.

But that’s all a moot point, because we aren’t going to implode, things will not be “ungood,” and Buccigross and Ecklund are going to look like idiots for picking us to finish 15th. :D

By Buzilla Baby Blues

October 4, 2007 4:18 PM | Link to this

If I was a Thrashers fan, I’d be cautiously optimistic that the two sides will wrap things up before it becomes a big distraction.

Your not a Thrashers fan Craig? I know your not really supposed to have an opinion but I find that disappointing.

On a side note, my friend and I tied for first place in the Back to Blueland fan video contest. They are planning on showing mine (the claymation one) when we play the Rangers (Since it depicts Avery getting his arse kicked)

By Rawhide

October 4, 2007 4:26 PM | Link to this

BBB* - Cool! - I look forward to seeing THAT!

By Bob

October 4, 2007 4:37 PM | Link to this

but what does Waddell do if Hossa isn’t showing his hand?

That’s Waddell’s job it to be a competent GM and make sure he hears from the player and/or the agent where they stand. You force the issue and put the contract on the table, if they still won’t sign and play cute, then you know he’s on the way out, and you move him.

The Armeggedon Scenario is keeping Hoss and letting him walk for no return. That would really kill this club. Hossa would bring a wealth of prospects/picks, mabye even an NHL player or two and prospects/picks. You can’t let that asset walk for nothing, can’t do it.

Congrats, zilla. Can’t wait to see it on the tron.

By ranallo10

October 4, 2007 4:48 PM | Link to this

Were you the only two entries Buzilla??? Congratulations, what’d you get out of it?

Rawhide — We know Hartley wont be here forever, so my sentiment is that unless Scotty Bowman is available as a GM/Coach when the inevitable happens, I’d pick John Anderson to be his successor (partially due to the knowledge that Bob alluded to, and partially due to what Russ said).

Sara — I agree, Hossa is clearly the person in power for this negotiations, and seemingly knows it.

By bob

October 4, 2007 4:53 PM | Link to this

Folks, you are all putting too much into this. Here are the FACTS. One, our team improves each year, so quit implying incompetance.Hossa’s value has now been basically set. It would be ridiculous to pay more than $7.5 or $8 as an avg.Kovy’s contract will be worth more in a couple years as he is cgracterized as a Franchise player. Crosby is at $8.7, that will be any reasonable ceiling. Waddell knows the sport, the business and asset management, that’s wht we still get better within a budget dictated by attendance. Hossa is a top line forward and will be offered accordingly, but with rational business parameters and he knows it. He might want to concentrate on actually producing in the playoffs this year.If he chooses to walk, we’ll be fine. I’d rather have him, but for the money we can get two excellent good players.We’ll be fine either way.

By ranallo10

October 4, 2007 4:55 PM | Link to this

Bob — the Thrashers have exclusive rights to Marian Hossa until the beginning of the Free Agency period, July 1 (same date this year? is it always that date?).

I think that if Waddell finds he cannot sign Hossa to a contract he would have a chance to swap him for picks and/or players. That return may not be as great as it would be today or at the trade deadline, but it’s possible for the Thrashers to have Hossa for all of the ‘07-‘08 season, and still trade him for a substantial return. Until Hossa signs a contract for another team, it’s not out of the realm of possibility for the Thrashers to get nothing in return for his services (and Heatley’s by proxy).

By Bob

October 4, 2007 5:08 PM | Link to this

but it’s possible for the Thrashers to have Hossa for all of the ‘07-‘08 season, and still trade him for a substantial return.

I know what you’re saying, but I disagree with that. Yes, they could keep him until their season is over, but then you’re just trading negotiating rights for a month or two until the July 1st deadline. No one is going to give Waddell more than a 2nd round pick for that.

Look you know I don’t think Waddell is a Brian Burke, but I don’t think he’s completely incompetent and even I don’t doubt that Waddell will trade Hoss by the deadline, rather than risk losing him for nothing, if he knows Hossa isn’t going to resign here.

By ranallo10

October 4, 2007 5:18 PM | Link to this

Same thing could’ve been said about Hartnell, Timonen, and Tkachuk. The first two were not locks to be signed by the acquiring team, but interestingly enough they were locked up within 24 hours of the trade (tampering? collusion?). Pitkanen was traded much in the same way (though he was a RFA).

I don’t think it’s outside of the realm of possibility for a player of Hossa’s caliber to fetch a first round pick AND THEN SOME, just for a team to have exclusive negotiating rights. I don’t think it’s something that will likely happen, but it’s possible. Just like it’s possible for him to re-sign tonight, and allow us fans the chance to euthanize this topic.

In case you’re wondering, I’m hoping for the latter of the two scenarios to come to fruition.

By Brian

October 4, 2007 5:20 PM | Link to this

I know the season is about to start when I click on the site here and two blogs have already gone by.

This blog is still the same in that Bob has his DW vendetta for whatever reason.

The puck didn’t even drop yet and already people are discussing BH’s replacement or how bad the team will be when we need to trade Hossa? Come on folks, don’t turn into a bunch of pansies. Not only is the home opener tomorrow night but we will get to see Buzilla on the Jumbotron.

By R. Stroz

October 4, 2007 5:20 PM | Link to this

At least Hossa’s agent isn’t Scott Borass (the extra s is intentional).

By R. Stroz

October 4, 2007 5:31 PM | Link to this

Thinking ahead, what do you with Zhitnik and Havelid in the 08-09 season? Both contracts expire and they will both be 36.

By Brian

October 4, 2007 5:47 PM | Link to this

Today is a day of joy The season is already off to a booming start! Not only will we raise a banner tomorrow night, but we will not hear from Pucks n Snot for quite a long time after this story

By Rawhide

October 4, 2007 7:26 PM | Link to this

BRIAN - How funny is THAT!! So, when tomorrow night’s Thrashers game is a sellout,….we can officially “pass” Detroit on the Hockeytown list!

CC - Hey dude,…just shot you & Scott and e-mail with my contact numbers to set up the “paperwork” et. al. Let me know what I should do here,….I’m ready to rock-n-roll!!!

GO THRASHERS - CRUNCH THE CRAP-ITOLS!!

By Bob

October 4, 2007 8:00 PM | Link to this

Stroz, are both Zhitnik and Havelid’s contracts up at the end of this year? For some reason I thought one or even both of them were signed past this year. I think they’d want to keep one of them at least if both are UFA next summer, for continuity. Just not to a long term deal, 36 is already getting up there.

By Brian

October 4, 2007 8:30 PM | Link to this

Rawhide - check your e-mail…

By Hockeyfan

October 4, 2007 8:42 PM | Link to this

Craig,

Didnt we resign Hartley’s contract at the beginning of the summer? Now (according to your story in tomorrow’s paper) Hartley says this is the last year of his contract. Must be a short leash… Just saying

By Brian

October 4, 2007 8:56 PM | Link to this

Hockeyfan - BH’s terms were never disclosed. So it could be a 1 year or 5 year contract and we wouldn’t know right now. If BH is now saying it is a 1 year (and this would be the first I heard or maybe it went under the radar), than DW put him on a short leash as you say.

By LAC

October 4, 2007 9:16 PM | Link to this

Rannallo 10 boy did you hit the mail on the head about Hossa and Heatley, a GREAT comment.

Let’s hope he gets it done, Marian is a CLASS Act, Georgia Sportman of the year too !!!!!

Let’s hope he has a BIG season and produces as he did last season…

Just remember the 7 game road trip in late October… This will be a KEY time during the season for Sure.

By Brendan

October 4, 2007 9:26 PM | Link to this

I know we’re trying to put this topic to bed, and I’m late getting here.

1) You are free to boo whomever you choose, whenever you want. Furthermore, you’re entitled to those “feelings.” You feel how you FEEL about things. No one can tell you how to feel about things. That’s your call, exclusively. If you surrender that right, you give up your free will. And why would you do that?

2) You have the right to “scoff” those who do boo players. Again, that’s you “feeling the way you do” about things. 3) Know that scoffing at them does not make you “better” or “special,” and if you think it does, consult your local yellow pages for Therapists. There might even be a coupon. And say “hello” to the GEICO caveman while you’re there.

Next, Hossa’s contract. I think the market is being somewhat set with the Heatley deal. But if Hossa remains unsigned on July 1, 2008, that’s when the “new price structure” comes into effect. We won’t know what the new “cap figures” will be until just after the June Draft, 2008. I suspect THAT, (that is, the new cap figure,) above all, will help shape the market in setting the value*.

If Hossa walks for nothing, it will be disappointing. But like Sara said, if we’re on the bubble, who can blame Waddell for riding what is likely to be his best horse towards the playoffs? But there’s more. Does Waddell want to be remembered for trading away Marian Hossa? Look, I’ll tell ya right now. I’ll give him a pass if it goes down like (original poster) Bob said. Namely, that DW threw offer after offer of a new contract at Hossa, all throughout the season—which was met with a declination each time. At that point, it seems pretty clear that Hossa isn’t going to re-sign before July 1, 2008. He’s going to test the waters. Well, Don Waddell has to make a calculated decision at the trade deadline. If the team is tanking, can he really risk not moving Hossa? No. But he can hold out for and ask the most desperate team (at the trade deadline) to cough up “conditional” 1st and 2nd round picks if Hossa re-signs with that club. At least this way, Waddell still has “some shot” at re-signing Hossa AFTER July 1st, by “renting” him out. (Think Keith Tkachuk, if that helps.) But remember, Hossa will be unrestricted. So, just because there are Thrashers liens over the rental team doesn’t mean Hossa will re-sign with Atlanta. It just means it’s less likely that the “rental team” will re-sign him.

Now, if the team is humming right along at the trade deadline, Waddell NEEDS Hossa to complete the run. He can’t trade him. He’ll have to eat the risk. And he’s got all sorts of “excuses” if Hossa is lost to Free Agency later on in the Summer.

Excuse #1: “I offered him deal after deal, but he always declined.” Excuse #2: “I never heard any trade offer that made any kind of sense for us.” Excuse #3: “Marian Hossa said he wanted to test the waters of free agency and told me he’d consider re-signing with us. His agent never returned my phone calls. Hossa wanted to leave. Trading him in the middle of our stretch-run for the playoffs and division title didn’t make any sense for our organization. We were counting on Hossa to lead us deep into the playoffs. Trading him was never on my mind.”

Actually, those are valid excuses. Not to mention that, Waddell gets to say, “I didn’t trade him, he left of his own accord, after I offered him more than $30 million. He (Hossa) held all the cards on the contract negotiations.”

Okay, flame away.

By Bob

October 4, 2007 9:40 PM | Link to this

Good to hear from ya, Brendan. No idea why they didn’t make you the fan blogger, but I always appreciate your keen insight.

Great preview article, Craig. So now we know Hartley’s in his last year of his contract. And from the sounds of it, Waddell’s head is on the block also. And rightly so, as you point out, no GM in a hockey town, even in a Nashville, would survive after Waddell’s track record.

Nice quote from Hoss also, he’s saying he likes what he’s seeing. This is a key year all around, I think Waddell is right, if this team can be 8-6 or so after they finish that road trip, they’re looking good.

By R. Stroz

October 4, 2007 10:16 PM | Link to this

Although I’m not an Ecklund fan,

Everyone check out Stan’s blog on hockeybuzz.com concerning Dan Snyder and hockey in Atlanta.

By Brendan

October 4, 2007 10:26 PM | Link to this

Bob, RAWHIDE is an excellent blogger and he will do a great job on the Fan blog. I encourage you, and all others, to support him in his efforts on the Fan Blog all season long. If I could vote for someone other than myself, he’d have gotten my vote, too. Sara, Ranallo, Falconer, Matt H., Russ, and you, Bob, all would be good choices. Jen has a certain “flair” as well. I hope I didn’t omit anyone. If I did, it wasn’t intentional. Anyone who looks at the Summer blogs knows who was here all Summer long, when rosters are built (Draft, free agency, trades, etc.).

BUZILLA, I thought I lost my “Center Ice” package on Comcast. But it moved to 771-784. But I am getting that message that reads, “You are watching a FREE PREVIEW” of Center Ice. Save $20 by ordering now, 1-888-Sports-In. Buzilla, are you sure we don’t have to re-up this thing? Or does the banner just go away in two weeks, or so?

I nearly had a heart attack when I couldn’t find it on channels 460-469. If you experience this, go to the menu, then select “search,” then “sports,” then “hockey.” It’s there. It just moved.

By Rawhide

October 5, 2007 8:38 AM | Link to this

BLUELAND - Are you ready for this????

No, I’m not talking about just tonight. Of course your up for this. You have waited 176 days since that miserable 4-2 loss at MSG. Your ready to see the SE Division banner raised. Of course you are ready for THAT.

I mean, are you reay for 6 months of the grind,…the excitement,…the highs,…the lows,……

Are you ready to scream until your throat goes numb? Are you ready to yell at the refs,…boo Avery,…..give the opposing goalie so much hell that he yerns for the comfort of his mommy’s bussom???

Are you READY, I mean READY to not just GO to Blueland,…but BE Blueland???!!!

ARE YOU READY??*

LET’S KICK THIS THING IN THE ARSE AND GET IT FLYING!!

GO THRASHERS - RIP THE CAPS AND ANYONE ELSE WHO DARE PASS THROUGH OUR GATES!!

By Bob

October 5, 2007 8:56 AM | Link to this

rah, rah, sis boom bah!

Sorry I missed the start of the pep rally!!!

Caps should be easy picking tonight. Banner raising, retired jersey nights, always seem to work out well for the home team. I’d like to see a solid defensive performance tonight, mabye a 3-1 win and then let’s see how we match up with Tampa tomorrow tonight.

By Brian

October 5, 2007 9:29 AM | Link to this

Rawhide & Bob - Can’t wait until the puck drops.

By Brian

October 5, 2007 9:53 AM | Link to this

I was also going to add, I watched the Philly game a little bit last night. Although I am glad we have Zhitnik, Coburn got a lot of playing time last night. Although they went out and got Jason Smith and made him their C and still have Hatcher, I think they are going to try to make Coburn a #2. They gave him some decent time on the PK and a bit on the PP 2nd unit as well from what I saw. Again, I am glad we have Zhitnik (not to mention all the other guys we have coming up in that position), but it is interesting to see what happens to these guys after they leave here (a la Bouret).

By Bob

October 5, 2007 10:00 AM | Link to this

you know I take Waddell to task and hold his feet to the fire, but I have no problem with that move, no matter what Coburn turns into.

1)We had to make the playoffs last year, the move had to be made

2)Zhitnik + Enstrom > Coburn (for this year anyway, may not be true after Zhitnik leave)

By Buzilla Baby Blues

October 5, 2007 10:20 AM | Link to this

Brendan - It will say that you are watching the free preview until Monday (I think). Since they moved it from the 460’s to the 770’s I figured they caught on and I would have to buy the package again. So instead of waiting until Monday to see if I still get the package my stupid @ss calls them to order it….

The lady told me that I already had it. I froze. Sh*t….”Oh, my fiance probably got it for me as a gift” “Well Mr. Buzilla, let me look up when you paid for it…:

Tick Tock, Tick Tock

I was on my cell phone in my office so I crumbled a piece of paper by the phone and did my best dropped call impersonation.

“I….ca…hock….’click’”

It was all I could do. I am sure I shot myself in the foot and will have to call on Monday and pay full price for the package now.

I am an idiot….

Don’t make the same mistakes as me people…

Today, they offically announce on the Thrashers site the results of Contest!!! I don’t think they are going to shown either of the ones my friend and I did, but you never know. I have two DVD’s with the video to give them as they requested.

I am going to be worthless at work today…

LIVE FROM ATLANTA…IT’S OPENING NIGHT!!!!

By GaVaHokie

October 5, 2007 11:25 AM | Link to this

Buzz… not to twist the knife, but why the hell did you call? tsk tsk

When you’re getting something free, Customer Service doesn’t apply to you anymore… you would have known for sure on Monday, and you would have had 3 days to order Center Ice if it was cut off.

And you want to be my stock broker? :) I can still have your tickets for tonight, right? :)

By GaVaHokie

October 5, 2007 11:28 AM | Link to this

Oh wait… I understand your logic now… you were affraid you’d miss the New Jersey v. Ottawa game Monday afternoon.

By Brian

October 5, 2007 11:42 AM | Link to this

Bob - I am hoping that next year’s formula will be Enstrom ^ Valabik V Enstrom ^ Popovic > Coburn

By Brendan

October 5, 2007 11:51 AM | Link to this

Buzilla, Yikes dude. I will play it by ear. But if I do wind up paying for it, I will be adamant about the $20 discount that they are advertising. How much is Center Ice? Is it $169? $149, with the discount?

In mid-December, they usually run a “discount” price between $119 - $129.00 for Center Ice on Comcast.

Also, I notice something “new” this year. But it’s something that Direct TV and Dishnet had all along. There’s now a channel where you can see multiple games on the same screen. Of course, there’s that “Command Center” channel that gives your a rundown of all games in progress, as well as “Standings” and “Scoring race” type summaries. Also, there are MORE channels. It goes from 771-784, as opposed to 460-469. Last year, I found, not all games were shown. And, of course, when the Thrashers are on local TV, they are not on Center Ice. They expect you to watch it on the local channel.

Another difference, I notice, is that Comcast doesn’t give you any choice over which broadcast team coverage you want, whereas, Dishnetwork and DirectTV do. Say the Islanders are facing the Bruins. And you want NESN’s coverage of the game, because … well … Intermission host Hazel Mae is just such a “babe.” But, let’s say you’re a Thrashers fan who still likes Billy Jaffe. So, you want the Islanders coverage of the game. Or, let’s just say you have the “hots” for Deb Kaufmann. So, you want the Islanders broadcast crew. On Comcast, you don’t get the choice. It’s whatever Comcast provides. You may be stuck with NESN coverage of that game. Though, c’mon. Is anyone really “stuck” with Hazel Mae??

Chime in, you “Dishnetwork” and “DirecTV” Center Ice subscribers.

By R. Stroz

October 5, 2007 12:03 PM | Link to this

Thanks guys - I just checked the Center Ice channels you mentioned, they are all present. FREE, that’s my favorite price!

By Buzilla Baby Blues

October 5, 2007 12:14 PM | Link to this

GaValcholic -

You expect me to give up my tickets after busting my sack? Your crazy West Virgina. You and Jay are gonna have to go up to the rafters in the $10 special seats!!!

Brendan -

I can’t stand watching Deb Kaufmann. I think she had a stroke or something. She only talks out of one half of her face. She looks like Mary Jo Buttafucco if she was a sports anchor.

….got I miss Erin. Remember her? Man she was hot. Bad nose, but great rack (sorry if any kids are reading this…but she does)

By GaVaHokie

October 5, 2007 12:39 PM | Link to this

I’ve seen Erin sneaking around at a few Thrashers v. Tampa games (as a spectator, not a journalist)… she got her start with the Sunshine network in Florida, and she still follows Tampa.

By Buzilla Baby Blues

October 5, 2007 12:51 PM | Link to this

So you stalk her…

I don’t blame you

By Brian

October 5, 2007 1:06 PM | Link to this

Brendan - you had some interesting comments. I have only been a Directv subscriber, so I can’t compare it against other providers. But I have only been able to watch it under one broadcast team. For example, if the Bruins were playing the Rangers, they may pick MSG. The game will be on the Center Ice channel (704 or something higher depending on the # of games) and MSG on 620 (I think). But if I turn on NESN it will say game blacked out. This kills me during Sabre games when I can’t here Jeanneret.

As for those additonal standings and whatnot, I didn’t have those options for the Flames/Flyers game last night. But I got the Sunday Ticket package this year (didn’t last year). I was surprised how much they increased the price. But it had some awesome options like in game stats, scoring summaries, etc. So for whatever reason I can do that with football but not hockey.

By Brendan

October 5, 2007 1:06 PM | Link to this

Buzilla, I simply must have your opinion of Amanda Jahn, a former Intermission host. She is, believe it or not, married to former Thrashers goaltender Damian Rhodes.

Lest they have separated.

Deb Kaufmann does tend to speak out of one side of her mouth, literally. Not the “figure of speech.” But she’s not an unattractive woman. Though, can I say, objectively, that she occassionally appears “star stuck” by Trent Hunter and other members of the Islanders, during interviews? Well, I just did.

Hmmn, maybe it’s time for an “Intermission babe” poll for Center Ice subscribers. Who’s that L.A. Kings intermission chick?

Ahh, Erin Andrews. I can almost hear her saying 1-0, “one, nuthin.” She was a cutie. And yes, Buzilla, her endowment rivals Harvard’s.

By Jen

October 5, 2007 1:34 PM | Link to this

Nice to see the Thrashers on front of the sports section (print anyway) despite it being another “Football Friday” around the south. I put $0.50 in the newspaper machine (which I never do) to show my appreciation.

By Rawhide

October 5, 2007 1:42 PM | Link to this

MMMMMMMMmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm….

Erin Andrews…

glahglahglalghglalglhlaghlaghla…..

By Buzilla Baby Blues

October 5, 2007 1:43 PM | Link to this

Amanda Jahn is crazy hot. I find it hard to believe that she married Damion “One Nut” Rhodes. A girl like that needs a man with two nuts.

…like me…

Thank god my fiance doesn’t read Thrashers blogs

By Buzilla Baby Blue's Fiance

October 5, 2007 1:51 PM | Link to this

ZILLA - We are THROUGH!!

By Rawhide

October 5, 2007 1:53 PM | Link to this

Now you’ve done it ‘Zilla!

By Buzilla Baby Blues

October 5, 2007 1:58 PM | Link to this

ha ha ha ha ha!!!!!!

eh..we had a good run

By Brendan

October 5, 2007 1:59 PM | Link to this

Zilla, at this moment, I’d like to inform you that Craig has the power to censor that post and all related posts. In fact, I’d email him, like NOW, to make that request.

So, before this post is removed from this message board, I’d like to thank you for those comments about Amanda Jahn.

By GaVaHokie

October 5, 2007 2:06 PM | Link to this

Awww… they look so cute together in their J. Crew sweaters.

http://www.missmissouriusa.com/formers/pics/jahn_engagement02.jpg

She looks kind of cross-eyed, maybe she actually DOES see two nuts.

By Buzilla Baby Blues

October 5, 2007 2:07 PM | Link to this

what…

They called him that because he eats a single walnut before each game and never shared them with anyone. Kind of like Wade Boggs eating only chicken on game day. I, on the other hand, would share my walnuts with Ms. Jan….

That could be a good topic for Craig though (before he throws me off forever)

Do any of the Thrashers have any weird superstitions that they do on game days?

By Buzilla Baby Blue's old girlfriend

October 5, 2007 2:09 PM | Link to this

Dear Buzilla,

I have just turned in your post to the judge and the court order has been extended for 18 months.

By Buzilla Baby Blues

October 5, 2007 2:18 PM | Link to this

Do I get my ring back? I need beer money for tonight

By Rawhide

October 5, 2007 2:19 PM | Link to this

What’s the protocol for dating ex-girlfriends of fellow bloggers.

Is there a waiting period?????

Not that I’M in the market,….I have a …..friend… who wants to know.

By R. Stroz

October 5, 2007 2:23 PM | Link to this

Buzilla - For a small price, I’ll refrain from putting a text message on the jumbotron tonight informing your fiance to read the Thrashers blog.

By Buzilla Baby Blues

October 5, 2007 2:23 PM | Link to this

She doesn’t like Westerns Rawhide. You can do better

By Bob

October 5, 2007 2:30 PM | Link to this

You guys remember that one in game segment that Amanda Jahn did and she had on that tight sweater and it was a little nippy, err, chilly in the arena that evening?

I think they only showed head shots of her after that.

By R. Stroz

October 5, 2007 2:32 PM | Link to this

Buzilla - Since a small price is a relative term, I thought a definition was in order: ALL STAR TICKETS.

By Buzilla Baby Blues

October 5, 2007 2:36 PM | Link to this

R.Stroz - She can’t read. So no deal

By ranallo10

October 5, 2007 2:39 PM | Link to this

You guys rock.

By Buzilla Baby Blues

October 5, 2007 2:43 PM | Link to this

I have really taken this blog down a dark path.

My apologies.

In hopes of changing the subject from my troubled love life, sweater pillows, and various legumes. I was curious if anyone had any rituals that they do before the game?

I, as I have said before, try to drink 3 24oz. beers from Gorins before the game (which I call the hat trick)

By Rawhide

October 5, 2007 2:53 PM | Link to this

It’s funny that you mentioned “Pre-Game Rituals” and “Sweater Pillows” in the same breath……

By R. Stroz

October 5, 2007 2:53 PM | Link to this

Buzilla is really concerned we are going to “rat him out,” so he wants to change the subject:>)

By Buzilla Baby Blue's old girlfriend

October 5, 2007 2:57 PM | Link to this

Dear Buzilla,

That ring wasn’t worth much, but it was enough to hock for a bus ticket to Detroit. I have since found comfort in the arms of a man who refers to himself as Pucks n Snot. Although we live in his mother’s basement, he still gives more to me in other ways that you never could have.

By Buzilla Baby Blues

October 5, 2007 3:00 PM | Link to this

……….so…….opening night eh?

By Thrashers27

October 5, 2007 3:01 PM | Link to this

WOOHOOOOOO!!! It’s almost time to drop the puck! I feel like a little kid on Christmas Eve. See you all there.

LET’S GO THRASHERS!!!

By ranallo10

October 5, 2007 3:04 PM | Link to this

I assume “gives more to me in other ways that you never could have” means he gives your old girlfriend/fiance lessons in how to become dungeon master in World of Warcraft??

Dude, that’s just cold.

By GaVaHokie

October 5, 2007 3:05 PM | Link to this

My ritual is to sit in traffic for 30 minutes on Centennial Drive.

However, during that time, I always listen to Korn’s “Let’s Get This Party Started” (Track 13 on the Issues album)before every game! It gets me more jacked up than the gay ‘My Chemical Romance’ song we’re going to have to listen to all year for the Thrashers entrance music.

By Brian

October 5, 2007 3:05 PM | Link to this

I was the one that bought Buzilla’s exgirlfriend’s ring… It turned out to be a Cuban Zarcona and worth even less than I thought. I have since rehocked it and traded it for some Chinese paper dragons…

By Buzilla Baby Blues

October 5, 2007 3:06 PM | Link to this

I don’t think this is how Craig wants to get to 100 posts.

By Bob

October 5, 2007 3:07 PM | Link to this

Although we live in his mother’s basement, he still gives more to me in other ways that you never could have

That’s what Cialis is for, silly.

I subscribe to the Scotty Ferrall Pregame Ritual…shot,beer,shot,beer

By Wild Rose Country

October 5, 2007 3:07 PM | Link to this

The Washington (Post) blog says Gary Bettman is going to be at tonight’s. game.

since I can’t make it I am wondering if Bob or Ranllo10 could give Bettman a slap on the chops for me.

Thanks Guys.

By Buzilla Baby Blues

October 5, 2007 3:09 PM | Link to this

You guys crack me up

By GaVaHokie

October 5, 2007 3:12 PM | Link to this

I heard Damian can pop his one nut into his body cavity and use his sack as silly puddy… he likes to press it on the Sunday comics to get Snoopy’s face.

There… that’s officially too far.

By Brian

October 5, 2007 3:17 PM | Link to this

Really, this has been one of the more enjoyable blogs in awhile. Perhaps I owe Buzilla a beer for this. Of course I will have to sell those Chinese paper dragons to raise $$ to buy that beer, in which case I will only be able to afford 1 bottle of Utica Club. BTW, if anyone on this blog drank Utica Club (especially if they drank it in college) I will really be scared…

By Rawhide

October 5, 2007 3:18 PM | Link to this

BRIAN Exactly what IS a CUBAN Zarconia??? Do you smoke one of those?

By Rawhide

October 5, 2007 3:23 PM | Link to this

(sigh) - shaking my head

I certainly hope these sophmoric shenanigans don’t spill over to my Blog next week.

Sheeze,…I’M gonna have to be the responsible one?

By GaVaHokie

October 5, 2007 3:25 PM | Link to this

So who are the scratches tonight? I’m guessing Brad Larsen and Mark “Am I gonna have ta” Popovic.

By Brian

October 5, 2007 3:26 PM | Link to this

Rawhide - it’s the most well known rock that can pass for a diamond, at 1% of the price of a real diamond. Normally just referred to as a CZ. No, I never bought one (other than being tricked by Buzilla’s girlfriend).

By Buzilla Baby Blues

October 5, 2007 3:27 PM | Link to this

I may be eating dinner with Bettman tonight! Or at least at the same venue. I will pile drive him for you guys. Shrink him from 5’6 to 4’9.

Little penguin looking troll….killing hockey…hate you gary…

By ranallo10

October 5, 2007 3:27 PM | Link to this

Wild Rose Country — I’ll see what I can do.

Was anybody else’s most memorable moment of the playoffs the instance in which Shirley Franklin was introduced and half of the crowd booed her? That was pretty funny.

Buzz, are zits an STD? If so, you might want to get your ex checked out if you ever decide to take her back. She’ll realize the err of her ways soon enough, hang tough buddy.

By Buzilla Baby Blues

October 5, 2007 3:29 PM | Link to this

Who is going to be the first to post on Rawhides new blog?

$5 a man.

Whose in?

By thejustjewelry

October 5, 2007 3:30 PM | Link to this

I was the one that bought the ring from Brian. If anyone would like to see Buzilla’s ex’s ring, it can be found here

By ranallo10

October 5, 2007 3:40 PM | Link to this

Interesting…no bids.

Brian, I think he’s hinting that it’s actually Cubic Zirconia. No worries, we all know Buzz is a cheapskate and can’t afford a real ring.

By Brian

October 5, 2007 3:42 PM | Link to this

ranollo - I posted last year that my two favorite moments of the first playoff game were when Shirley got booed and the Hawks were laughed at. It set off a small riot as people thought the Hawks should not have been laughed at. Not a big riot like those saying I will always yell Knights but a small riot…

Buzilla - why bet $5 that you will be the first to post on Rawhide’s blog when for $5.99 you can use the buy it now to get your ring back?

Not only am I pumped for tonight but you guys have had some great posts for a Fri afternoon…

By Buzilla Baby Blues

October 5, 2007 3:46 PM | Link to this

http://thrashers.nhl.com/team/app/?service=page&page=NHLPage&id=18007

For those of you that were curious.

By Brickhouse

October 5, 2007 3:46 PM | Link to this

According to the Blueland Blog, Thorburn and Popovic are the scratches for tonight.

By GaVaHokie

October 5, 2007 3:46 PM | Link to this

Brian… Cubic Zirconia. ;)

By Buzilla Baby Blues

October 5, 2007 3:49 PM | Link to this

I am thinking of showing my fiance this blog thread today. She would laugh her off

By Bob

October 5, 2007 3:53 PM | Link to this

I’ll pay $5 to be the first to pop Bettman in the schnoze.

By R. Stroz

October 5, 2007 3:55 PM | Link to this

Buzilla - If you show her today’s blog, you will win the “pair of the day” award.

By GaVaHokie

October 5, 2007 3:55 PM | Link to this

She’d laugh her sweater pillows off.

By Rawhide

October 5, 2007 3:56 PM | Link to this

OK, enough of this jocularity…..

Time to go the the wife and Tax-Exemptions,….pack up a big bag-o-ATTITUDE and make my way down to Philips….

You all better bring your bag, too,……….

See ya there, dudes and dudettes……….

GO THRASHERS - CREAM THE CRAP-ITOLS!!

By Brian

October 5, 2007 4:01 PM | Link to this

Ranollo & GaVaHokie - Ok, I just picked up on that as someone just posted the auction for the ring. All these years and it is Cubic Zirconia. See, I told you I never bought one…

Not only was Buzilla cheap on the ring, he didn’t even pay real actors for his video. Can anyone else say short arms and deep pockets?

By Bob

October 5, 2007 4:02 PM | Link to this

definitely show her the blog, so they’re not showing your claymation video tonight? That Gabriel song will sound great over the system at Philips.

Alright, off to the game. Everyone enjoy it, including you ranallo, ya big lug, and let’s send the boys off to Tampa undefeated.

By GaVaHokie

October 5, 2007 4:02 PM | Link to this

We have an exclusive picture of Gary Bettman after being punched by Bob.

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f341/themanbat/1p281.jpg

By Buzilla Baby Blues

October 5, 2007 4:04 PM | Link to this

GaVa Holik

What time are you making it down there? I have your ticket (even though you don’t deserve it)

I have to be at the security doors at 6:30 for dinner with Bettman

By GaVaHokie

October 5, 2007 4:07 PM | Link to this

Buzz… I’m ready for my ritual hat-trick… a Gorin’s Beer, a Cigarette, and avoiding homeless guys outside Jocks.

By GaVaHokie

October 5, 2007 4:09 PM | Link to this

Of course, my game time hat trick should not be mistaken for my morning hat trick… shower, shave and… you know.

By ranallo10

October 5, 2007 4:10 PM | Link to this

Later peeps, love you Bob. See you all at the Flat Screen.

By Brian

October 5, 2007 4:10 PM | Link to this

Hokie - great photo, that does look like him a bit (obviously the makeup has it’s effect too).

Buzilla - you didn’t actually bet a ticket that Holik wouldn’t get the C, did you? Is that GaVaHokie you lost to? If so, I don’t mind, he has good posts. Oh yeah, still no bids on that ring…

By Buzilla Baby Blues

October 5, 2007 4:12 PM | Link to this

giggity

By R. Stroz

October 5, 2007 4:14 PM | Link to this

Everyone - If you see Bettman, scream look there’s Danny Devito.

By B. Thenet

October 5, 2007 4:18 PM | Link to this

Lets get this season started right tonight.

Oh, and let me be the first to welcome our new fan blogger, Pucks N Snot. Kudos.

By Buzilla Baby Blues

October 5, 2007 4:19 PM | Link to this

I don’t remember who I bet about Holik getting the “C”. It wasn’t GaVa. He is just a piker that never has any tickets. Since I my friend and I won the contest, we had two extra.

Whomever I did bet though…pay up!!! I have a $5.99 ring I have to buy back to try and make up with my future wife

By GaVaHokie

October 5, 2007 4:22 PM | Link to this

Brian… no, I’m Buzz’s “Make A Wish” kid this week. He’s giving me his ticket since he won opening night tickets for the video contest. I might buy him a Gorin’s beer so he’ll be nice and toasty for Gary Bettman.

By GaVaHokie

October 5, 2007 4:34 PM | Link to this

Tell Bettman where to stick his Trapezoid.

By Tony C.

October 5, 2007 5:14 PM | Link to this

Uh…I work @ comcast…so um…if you experienced “issues” w/your centre ice, I could maybe look at that for you…also, we basically just relay the signal that NHL sends us…it’s an “unfair competition” thing b/c the teams sign exclusivity agreements with their local ntwk…anyway, I’m stuck @ work tonight so somebody please pick me up an extra of the schwag if you would…I’ll be happy to compensate you for your effort.

Email me if your comcast acct. needs “looking at”

GO BLUE !!!

P.S. Rawhide You taking THE JERSEY ???

By Brendan

October 5, 2007 7:00 PM | Link to this

Don’t forget, those of you at home, or checking out the site from your laptop, that the “replay” of tonight’s game will be on SportsSouth at 11:30 PM tonight! So, set your Tivos, DVR’s, or VCR’s.

Let’s get LOUD!!!!

By Capt Caveman

October 5, 2007 8:30 PM | Link to this

* TONY C*

Is Rawhide at the game??

By Tony C.

October 5, 2007 9:15 PM | Link to this

I dunno? I think he said he was takin the whole fam.

GO BLUE !!!

By Tommy Hawk

October 5, 2007 10:12 PM | Link to this

Why would anyone want to watch a replay of a bunch of losers? THRASHERS SUCK!!!

By Capt Caveman

October 5, 2007 11:11 PM | Link to this

T Hawk

Obviously you care enough to read the blog and post. Sounds like a cry for help to me, dude.

By B. Thenet

October 5, 2007 11:23 PM | Link to this

Hossa and Kozlov continued their strong play from the Rangers series.

Nice to see Lehtonen give up a goal from the blueline when we were down by one, that kid is clutch.

Little and Enstrom made the night tolerable.

By bob

October 5, 2007 11:58 PM | Link to this

It’s only one game. We’ll be ok. The Hossa line looked invisible and Kari was real sharp. Ultimately cement in our skates on that line and average goaltending cost us. Ilya and little both looked solid as did Enstrom.

By Rawhide

October 5, 2007 11:58 PM | Link to this

TONY C - Yup, I was there,…with the jersey, (didn’t help…)

Saw CM, spoke with Brian,….that was good!

Everyting else,…pretty much ungood.

We were chasing Caps all night,……couldn’t clear the puck,….couldn’t get any transition game going,…pucks being passed to open patches of ice,…..giving up, what, 40 shots?

Ungood.

Now, I do hope we saw the first of many goals by Little.

I’m sure the sharper knives in the drawer can break it down in finer detail,….but that was my observation.

By R. Stroz

October 6, 2007 12:30 AM | Link to this

Observations:

Negatives:

Todd White was, once again, horrible. For the love of hockey, can we procure a center that isn’t a whimp. I’m ready to move Little up to the Kovy line. Todd White is about as useful as Kapanen, but White costs more money. I started laughing when I heard other fans calling White by my nickname for him, Charmin.

Once again the Thrashers gave up over 35 shots on goal. No team can win doing that.

The Holik, Kozlov, Hossa line looked like they had weights in their skates. Holik is not the right center for Kozlov and Hossa. He is just too slow.

Something positive:

Enstrom made one of the best plays I’ve ever seen. After one of the Caps had jumped out of the penalty box, Enstrom slapped down a pass, which was a sure fire break away.

Little and Sterling were hustling.

Needs:

We have to find a forward with some size, speed, and grit. I don’t think LaVallee will be in Chicago much longer.

By Capt Caveman

October 6, 2007 12:36 AM | Link to this

YO RAWHIDE

IT’S ME — CAVEMAN!!!

Back on the blog. Let’s get together for another game at Taco Mac, I need to see that waitress again anyway.

So what’s this about you startin’ a blog??

That’s awesome dude!!

By Bob

October 6, 2007 12:45 AM | Link to this

White is signed for 4 years, fellas. 4

I got to the game early, before they came out for warmups. When they came out, I was shocked how small we are. Really. I mean we are small. We got pushed off the puck all night by a bad Crapitols club.

That’s one game, but I am really shocked how small we are. Did I say how shocked I am how small we are? White’s softer than advertised. There’s not much here to work with fellas.

By Bob

October 6, 2007 12:50 AM | Link to this

Holik is not the right center for Kozlov and Hossa. He is just too slow

Stroz, it was painful watching that line, Holik is such a bad fit there.

That is definitely not going to work as a combination. The only spot Holik is effective is on the checking line.

If anything, put White on Hossa and Kozlov’s line and then whoever on Kovy’s line. Kovy must be so sick of this s**, no linemates again.

By Thrashers27

October 6, 2007 1:28 AM | Link to this

Anybody else notice that Sterling disappeared in the third? He wasn’t playing very well. Little took his place. Hopefully, White was just a tad nervous. Kari looked great, Kovy looked good, but I thought that Hoss and Kozzie looked like crap most of the night. I like Perrin’s hustle. He and Doopooie created several turnovers and good scoring chances tonight.

Better luck in Tampa, boys. Go get ‘em!

By R. Stroz

October 6, 2007 2:01 AM | Link to this

Ok, I know it was the first real game; but, those line combinations aren’t going to work.

Change up the lines by mixing size speed, and skill:

Line 1) Kovy=RW, Little=C, Kozlov=LW

Line 2) Bartovic=RW, White or Perrin=C, Hossa=LW (Yes, I know Bartovic is in Chicago, but bring him up before he goes back to Europe. Hossa has played on the same line with Bartovic in international games and they worked together well in preseason)

Line 3) Slater=RW, Thorburn=C, Sterling=LW

Line 4) Bolts or Larsen=RW, Holik=C, Dupuis=LW

I know we’re spending too much money for Holik to be a checking line center; but, sunk costs are sunk. You cannot turn a camal into a cheetah.

Also, if Todd White is 5’10”, I have a full head of hair.

Ok guys rip away!

By R. Stroz

October 6, 2007 2:14 AM | Link to this

Oops, mistake on Line 2)

Change to:

Hossa=RW and Bartovic=LW

My guess is Hossa may have had something to do with Bartovic being brought over to begin with.

By Brian

October 6, 2007 2:16 AM | Link to this

B. Thenet & R. Stroz kinda already covered it for me. I noticed that by period 2 Little was skating with Kovy, I hope that is a sign of things to come. I don’t know about Kovy with 2 rooks but if the Hossa line can pick up it’s share, it wouldn’t matter.

Ok, I know I got hit in the head a few times with the puck when I was younger, but not only did I figure out the difference between Cuban Zarconias and Cubic Zirconias, but I now see the difference between Bob & bob…

By Tony C.

October 6, 2007 6:27 AM | Link to this

grrrr

By Sage of Bluesland

October 6, 2007 6:45 AM | Link to this

The years may roll by but some things never change: our woeful defense.

Looking forward to the pathetic excuses by the Waddellites this year!

(Ooops, I forgot—it’s ALL Hartley’s fault…Well, there’s the gold-plated ‘Excuse No. 1’…Real fans should know better…Not expecting much, here, of course…)

By Brendan

October 6, 2007 9:51 AM | Link to this

As I watched the replay, Darren Eliot said Holik’s footspeed wouldn’t be an issue for the Hossa, Holik, Kozlov line, because, Eliot said, “Hossa and Kozlov would adjust and play positionally.” Or words to that effect. Eliot added, “it will be a good line.” That last one is an exact quote.

Okay.

Moving right along … Kovy, White and Sterling didn’t make a big impact. I think White was in the box when the Caps scored on their very first power play attempt of the season. Boulton, Slater and Larsen were invisible. Our best line was Dupuis (very speedy, excellent on the PK,) Little (scored a goal), and Perrin. Perrin actually looked okay. I’m a little concerned that Perrin is not a “finisher.” Reminds me of Slater a bit, in that regard.

Our best players last night were, in no particular order, Enstrom, Lehtonen, Dupuis, Little and Kovalchuk. Hossa had one good look, but the puck wouldn’t lie flat for him. Congrats to Little for getting a goal in his very 1st NHL game. It wasn’t pretty, but it was a much needed goal, cutting the score in half, 2-1.

Once again, the Thrashers gave up well in excess of 30 shots. And truthfully, even “Stendec” might advance that Kari kept us in it last night. Yes, yes. The 2nd goal was “weak.” What was that final shot total again?? Kari was saving our butts for most of the night.

The D-pairings were Havelid and Zhitnik, with Zhitnik getting some PP minutes, along with Enstrom. I’ll keep saying it, McCarthy was on the PP last year, when our PP was smokin’. Put him back!! The next pairing was Exelby and Klee, who didn’t have a good night. Klee and “X” were on the ice for the first two Capitals goals. The last pairing was Enstrom and McCarthy. I didn’t think they were bad at all. I was completely surprized by this kid, Enstrom. Looked great on the PP. I thought Enstrom played very, very well.

Okay, this makes five (5) straight losses, from the playoffs last year. But it’s just one game in an 82-game season. But, we do look small out there. Let’s get Tampa!!

By Brendan

October 6, 2007 9:54 AM | Link to this

What did you guys think of Ken Klee last night?

By Brendan

October 6, 2007 10:06 AM | Link to this

I don’t want this to turn somber, but 10 of the next 13 are on the road. So, we really needed to get some points vs. a team like the Capitals. The home games we do get this month are far from “softies.”

By Frosty the snowman

October 6, 2007 10:48 AM | Link to this

With the exception of Kovy and Little I was not impressed. Little should center Kovy or Hossa line. I think it is pretty clear why White was signed as cheap as he was. Same old story with shots on goal. Same old story with the pp!

By theratio

October 6, 2007 11:12 AM | Link to this

I just love how most of you just give up on this team after the first game of the season. Sure we didnt look as good as I had wanted us to, but I’m not going to sell my jersey and move to Canada.

By Jen

October 6, 2007 11:13 AM | Link to this

Brendan, “X” was actually on the ice for all 3 goals since he was out on the Penalty Kill unit when it scored. His immense popularity here would dwindle if more people would start to notice how often his big hits lead to goals against. Just start watching how often he has chased someone over in a corner or behind the net when a goal is scored. If he was in position (in front of the net) our chances would improve.

By LAC

October 6, 2007 11:54 AM | Link to this

Rawhide you are correct, White looked like a new bride trying to cook a first dinner, it was NOT happening… And I see Commrie scored two tonight, could have him for about the same $$$.

Holik slow as always, But why was the offense not able to click ?

We were basically one shot and out.

I felt we were even outskated by Washington, and we WERE pushed around… A LOT !!!!

We need at least one BIGGER forward and ,maybe Boris from Chicago, he CAN kick peoples a*, would rather have him than a couple of the “veteran” defensemen for sure… # 28 is a shadow of his first year here… not much more…

Only one game, but we need a strong effort tonight or we could be headed in the WRONG direction…

Kari was EXCELLENT last night, could have been 10-1 if not for some EXCELLENT point blank shots.

By Pucks n Snot

October 6, 2007 12:19 PM | Link to this

A HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!! NICE GOING SOUTHLEAST DIVISION CHUMPS!! GET SMOKED BY THE CRAPITALS!! HOSSA IS OBVIOUSLY BUSIER THINKING ABOUT WHERE HE WANTS TO PLAY NEXT YEAR INSTEAD OF SCORING GOALS! KOVALSHMUCK BLOWS AS ALWAYS! NO DEFENSE AS ALWAYS! AAAAAA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! SORRY, GOTTA GO PREPARE FOR TONIGHTS WINGS GAME COMING OFF OUR SPANKING OF THE CUP CHAMPS!! SEE YAAAAA! AAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAAA!!!!

By thrashtheeast

October 6, 2007 12:21 PM | Link to this

Just looking at some stats. Over the last 19 games, Hossa is MINUS (-5) with 4 goals. By contrast, Kovy is PLUS (+6) with 8 goals. Hopefully the Hossa trend does not continue, but it is time for him to start showing up again. For $7M a year…. key players must play that way….Ilya is, Marion unfortunately is not. Let’s hope our TEAM gets it going starting tonight.

By Michael Shapiro

October 6, 2007 12:54 PM | Link to this

Brendan’s right. Put McCarthy back on the PP. Zhitnik had a lousy night and our PP continues to look for the pass instead of taking the shot and looking for a possible rebound. Anybody else notice that we NEVER had anyone in the crease waiting for/screening a shot on the PP? And of course our plan on the PP was the usual dump and run. How come no other team in the NHL uses that outstanding strategy? Is that the crapola Bob used to win in Colorado? They why are we still using it five years later? Why can’t we BRING it into the offensive zone, rotate on the PP like real teams do, shoot the flippin’ biscuit at the pipes and maybe even score sometimes on the PP? I liked what I saw in Little, Enstrom played well but I was surprised he got the 3rd star, and the PK on the two 5-on-3s was pretty nice to watch. Holik must be moved down to the 3rd line as he’s slower than my grandmother and she’s been dead for 30 years, and we STILL need a center…hopefully Kovy will stay paired with Little, but Hossa/Kozzy need a third to party with. Sigh, Don and Bernie know it but the friggin’ Spirit won’t pay for it. Our D continues to struggle clearing the puck, or PP sux, our PK looked better after giving up a ya-know-its-coming PP goal, and for the most part Kari was sharp though he gave up his once-a-game softie. and Theratio, nobody’s giving up on this team, our problem is that we all SEE the problems, have seen them for years and are frustrated that the powers that be never fix them. We’re still blue to the core, but want DW, BM and the flippin’ Spirit to do something and not tell us they’ve done it when we see they haven’t. As for the Spirit, would somebody please settle their damned dispute and be done with it? Can’t six dipwads buy out Belkin and put an end to that part of the Norse saga? Hopefully we’ll put on a better show in Tampax Bay tonight. I’ll be watching.

By Brian

October 6, 2007 12:58 PM | Link to this

Pucks n Snot - didn’t you read the story? (Hockeytown is dead, they sprinkled red roses over the grave already)[http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071004/COL08/710040439/1048/SPORTS]

LAC - I ask you because you defended Kari, did you really think he was that good? I thought he made some good saves too, and I’m just not sure how weak those goals were. I also thought that point blank shot from the blue line was tipped but I was sitting behind the other net so couldn’t tell. However, if it wasn’t tipped than you have to stop one from that far away with a clear view. Anyone else have thoughts?

Little scored a great goal, and he was out there with Kovy (who in essence created the chance).

Overall, there are still 81 games left. I’m with theratio, don’t give up this soon. And this was still one of the funniest blogs ever (sorry Buzilla, it was).

By Brian

October 6, 2007 1:05 PM | Link to this

Michael Shapiro - Couldn’t agree more about getting rid of the dump & chase (that’s what we always called it) on the PP. One thing I specifically noticed was that by the 2nd or 3rd period Enstrom carried the puck in the zone on the PP on one or two chances. So, I think help is on the way in that area.

By Viking

October 6, 2007 1:25 PM | Link to this

I thought Enström played very well last night - especially on PP - but guess what a Swedish sport commentator wrote:

“Enström visade ännu inte upp samma offensiva initiativ som han gjorde hemma i elitserien ifjol.”

Translated:

Enström did not show the same offensive initiative that he did back home in the Elite League last year.

Looking forward to some of that!

By Brian

October 6, 2007 1:44 PM | Link to this

Someone named Viking is rooting for a player from Sweden or Norway???

By Rawhide

October 6, 2007 1:53 PM | Link to this

Brendan - regarding your 9:54 post,…I wasn’t impressed. I watched the replay last night, (yeah, glutton for punishment),…and the one thing that really stuck out was on the 2nd goal,…Klee really made a week attempt at clearing the puck from in front of the net.

Now, that was only ONE play in ONE game, so I’m not ready to jump on anyones case….just yet.

BRIAN - Don’t play with the child.

By Brian

October 6, 2007 2:03 PM | Link to this

Rawhide - yeah, I shouldn’t even tease him to come out of his mother’s basement. I am just surprised that he would show his face here after that article…

By Viking

October 6, 2007 2:09 PM | Link to this

Norwegians do not do “ö” and can’t play hockey.

OK, let’s drop the dots and call him Enstrom then. And Hävelid Havelid.

By Rawhide

October 6, 2007 2:32 PM | Link to this

(Pardon if this is a repost,…got the white screen of death when I did this origionally)

BRIAN - Uh-huh,…I didn’t see a lot of empty seats a Philips last night, did you?

And, would you call a shootout, (i.e. gimmick) win in your opener over a team that had played two games over the weekend, then traveled from England …. would you call that a “spanking”.

No, of course you wouldn’t. Your not an idiot.

Again, don’t play with the child. It only gives him reason to believe that he has any relevence.

By Craig Custance

October 6, 2007 2:47 PM | Link to this

Moose getting the start tonight - no other lineup changes.

By Scott

October 6, 2007 2:50 PM | Link to this

It would be nice to resign Hossa but the fact that he was no where to be found in any playoff series he’s ever played in, makes me nervous about giving him 8 million a year.

By Viking

October 6, 2007 2:52 PM | Link to this

Sorry for my intrusion.

I did not know this blog is a forum for mutual admiration among the initiated.

By LAC

October 6, 2007 2:56 PM | Link to this

Brian, Yes two goals were screens and those are difficult to stop. The first goal was rather weak, but he stopped #8 three times REAL close.

We just sputtered, another game like last night and some changes might be in order.

Was just shocked to see we were outskated, esp… since we were to have all this spped this season…. Hummmmmm

Oh yes…pucks and SNOT your Red Wings could not sellout… Blah-Blah-Blah !!!!!!!!!!

By Rawhide

October 6, 2007 3:00 PM | Link to this

CC - Thanks for the info. Good call going to Moose tonight. Not ‘cuz Kari played bad last night,….back end of back-to-backs makes it a good call.

By Capt Caveman

October 6, 2007 3:35 PM | Link to this

YO RAWHIDE DUDE are you ignoring me. Perhaps you know me better as caveman22.

Now do you know me??

By Rawhide

October 6, 2007 4:52 PM | Link to this

No, Caveman,…not ignoring you,…just in and out alot.

WAZZUP??

By Wild Rose Country

October 6, 2007 4:52 PM | Link to this

Go Moose…refreshing change from last year.

Liked Enstrom…see lots, and lots, of potential. Little looked like he has a knack for being in the right place at the right time.

Pucks & Snot,…. welcome back. It is always nice to have someone that makes us look more reasonable. BTW, is it true your colonoscopy was delayed because they couldn’t get the scope past your head?

By Brian

October 6, 2007 5:02 PM | Link to this

LAC - He did have a really great save on Ovechkin that I loved. I thought there was no push either. At one point in the 3rd Hossa hit someone and then Kovy came out and hit someone a minute later. I said to my friend that it’s horrible that our finesse players are doing the hitting. They finally showed some life with a hard shift or two in the third, but we need that heart in the first and for 60 minutes.

Viking - not sure what you mean, but you are not intruding. Keep bringing the Swedish info (as long as it is translated).

By Thrashers27

October 6, 2007 5:20 PM | Link to this

Was hoping to see McCarthy sit tonight. He did not look good at all. Oh well, best of luck Steve. Hope we getta see some “Moose Stones”.

Go Blue!!!

By Tony C.

October 6, 2007 5:36 PM | Link to this

My only observation regarding Klee:

6PIM for hooking and (I think) Holding…basically “I’m beat” penalties…Was this due to him covering for X’s headhunting (I still haven’t watched the recording)?

GO BLUE !!!

By Craig Custance

October 6, 2007 7:32 PM | Link to this

Lines are all mixed up tonight, should be interesting. The Bobby Holik experiment with Hossa is on hold.

By Rawhide

October 6, 2007 8:34 PM | Link to this

Outshot 13-4 in the first…..sheez!e! Thank God Moose was awake on that last faceoff or it coulda been worse.

On a different note: The Caps lead Carolina 2-0. Maybe Washinton is better then some give them credit…

GREAT GOAL BY HOSSA!!!!

Boy did we need THAT!!

By russian

October 6, 2007 9:13 PM | Link to this

Outshot 25-9 in second. What is F***. Are they sleeping????

By russian

October 6, 2007 9:16 PM | Link to this

Slava made a BIG Mistake. We are done 1:3 after second. very BAD

By B. Thenet

October 6, 2007 9:38 PM | Link to this

Havelid is wearing an A, but it doesn’t stand for assistant captain. What a bum.

This is the worst the Thrashers have looked offensively in several years, and Daren Eliot’s apologist commentary on TS is only making me angrier about it.

What a dismal start to the season.

By Buzilla Baby Blue

October 6, 2007 9:39 PM | Link to this

ugly

By Rawhide

October 6, 2007 10:00 PM | Link to this

The worst thing about tonight is how Enstrom’s stong played will go unnoticed, I fear.

He saved a goal in the 2nd and his assist on Slava’s goal was awsome!

Bad weekend.

By Brian

October 6, 2007 10:10 PM | Link to this

Any team that gets outshot like that doesn’t deserve to win. However, if our blue jerseys didn’t look so bad with that left arm stripe, I might go buy an Enstrom one right now. That PP pass was awesome, not to mention all the other stuff he is showing.

By Buzilla Baby Blue

October 6, 2007 10:17 PM | Link to this

Enstrom has been our best D-man by far these first few days. And that is not right.

Hav and Zhithead looked TERRIBLE!!!!

Hossa looked good for the 2nd period and Enstrom had a strong game like I said.

That is it.

Terrible. We need to do better

By John

October 6, 2007 10:30 PM | Link to this

Welcome back everyone. I see nothing new has changed with this team. STILL cannot pass, cannot control the puck, panic when under pressure and just soft-toss the puck up the boards where there are no friendly players, cannot clear the zone….the list goes on and on. On a positive note, I do like what I see from Enstrom, for the most part. That pass to Kozlov was great. I’m tired of hearing about how the Thrashers have “great” coaching. You have to think that with ten “new” players on this team, and this team still making the same stupid mistakes they made most of last year, that it has to be the coaching, right? Different players, same mistakes. Can’t be a coincidence, can it? I’m not knocking the rookies, mind you. I’m excited to see these guys develop. Just curious how everyone else feels about Hartley? I personally am ready to see him go, although I have no idea who I’d like to see replace him….Just my rambling thoughts after another disappointing loss.

By Jsmooth

October 6, 2007 10:33 PM | Link to this

So much for cautious optimism going into the new season. We’re not a team right now and confusion and tentativeness seem to rule the day. The effort is there from the young kids but Little and Sterling seem to get overwhelmed on the ice by the stronger, savvier veterans of TB. Bob needs to go back to the drawing board and devise a simpler system that caters to our teams strengths (that is if we have any). Okay, that was harsh but other than speed, I can’t think of anything we do particularly well. How many passes from the blueline completely miss the target and bounce down the ice aimlessly? I understand the chip and chase strategy when you are trying to exploit over-aggression by the other team, but at some point you need to figure out a way to establish sustained puck control in the other team’s end.

Oh Lord, they better find something that works fast or else we will be 0-4 before the end of the second week!

By Tommy Hawk

October 6, 2007 10:36 PM | Link to this

2 things that suck : 1. Yankees 2. the Thrashers.

By Brendan

October 6, 2007 10:50 PM | Link to this

Jen, I stand corrected. I knew “X” was on for the 1st two goals vs. Washington, I forgot about the 3rd. And yes, sometimes “X” is out of position while trying to put something on the opposition that AJAX couldn’t take off. But, right now, “X” might be our most physical player.

Enstrom looked tremendous tonight. What a pass to Kozlov. It’s about time Kozlov started the season. What did you make of Moose’s performance tonight?

Shots against totals are through the roof. I kind of … can’t blame our goaltending so far. I don’t think goaltending is the sole or main reason we’re 0-4 in in points this year.

What hurts is … these losses are within the division. While the Capitals are 2-0, with divisional wins. Now, I’m not implying Washington is any kind of “lock” to win the SE division, lest you be confused. But these trends have to stop for Atlanta to claw back to 1st place and stay there.

Nobody is throwing the team under the bus, but we’re at seven (7) straight losses since the 2007 playoffs started. And up next is one of the the best teams in the East (Ottawa). Another regulation-time loss, and we’re 0-6 in points, with 10 of the next 12 on the road.

Has that sunk in? Well, take as much time as you need. And yes, it’s an 82-game season. But a sense of URGENCY is beginning to manifest itself. At some point, the Thrashers have to start winning to take that first step towards repeating atop the division. Which is still possible. Nobody gets eliminated from anything in October. But who wants to climb a mountain instead of a hill? If ya catch my drift.

Rawhide, in the Capitals game, I thought Klee deserved an “assist” on the Erskine goal. You know things are going badly when Erskine is credited with a game-winning goal.

Well, Dany Heatley is the pot of honey that brings out all the Atlanta bees, so I expect a(n Atlanta) spirited effort!

By Tony C.

October 6, 2007 10:53 PM | Link to this

The yankees do suck. Le Thrash are just playing suck-ily…I’m almost scared to watch the recordings now…

GO BLUE !!!

By Sage of Bluesland

October 6, 2007 10:59 PM | Link to this

Hartley will be the fall-guy in the attempt to save our sorry GM’s job…The job he’s had since day one of this pathetic franchise…

We’ve picked up right where we left off last year, when it was a sheer debacle in the playoffs.

We’re looking like an expansion team. It’s past time to get rid of our brilliant GM that everyone makes pathetic excuses for…

Accountability. It would be nice if some knew what that meant—including our esteemed beat-writer…

By Brendan

October 6, 2007 11:23 PM | Link to this

Let’s see, the Oilers, Islanders, and Capitals have two wins, while the Stanley Cup Champion Ducks already have three (3) losses. Remember last year, when the Ducks were 25-2-3 at one point?

What’s next? Hamburgers eating people? Donald Trump and Rosie O’Donnell going out on tour together? Such are the “early returns” of a new season. Things will “even out” by the end of the month.

One thing has sort of flown under the radar. “Do tell! What is it??” Didn’t Craig ask Don Waddell, in his “Q&A” column/blog during the Summer, that he was under the impression that Hartley was on a “one-year” deal? Which is, in my mind, that SAME THING as asking Waddell if Hartley was in the final year of his contract. Okay, “split hairs” on me, why don’tcha? But wasn’t Waddell’s response, “Well (Craig,) your impression would be wrong”? ‘Cuz that’s how I remember it. Someone double-check that.

Anywho, Hartley recently admitted that he was, in fact, in the final year of his contract. Still with me? Well then, what can be taken from Waddell’s testimony, regarding Hartley’s contract? Either (1) he didn’t know. Or (2), he knew and lied.

Which is it? Did you say “choice #1, he didn’t know?” If so, please open your palm, hold it up, and slam your forehead into it profoundly, while exclaiming, “D’oh” in Homer Simpson-like fashion. Waddell writes the coach’s contract! If he doesn’t know, something seriously wrong is going on.

Discuss.

By the way, this Summer’s 1st overall pick, Patrick Kane, from Buffalo, NY, just won the shootout for Chicago over Detroit, by scoring on former Sabres-legend, Dominek Hasek. It was the only goal of the shootout. Also, before the season gets too far along, I hope you all saw Paul Stastny’s “natural hat trick” in the Aves’ Opener a few days ago. The kid looks solid. No sophomore jinx so far.

By Midfield

October 6, 2007 11:43 PM | Link to this

You know you’re in deep trouble when your smaller but supposedly “faster” line-up can’t move their feet. Somebody said give ‘C’ to Havelid? If he goes on like this, I’d say, put him on wavers.

By Brendan

October 7, 2007 12:09 AM | Link to this

Correction - I have to correct myself. I found the quote. Here it is: From the June 13, 2007 AJC article, by Craig Custance.

Q: My understanding is that Hartley only has a one-year deal. What message does that send to the players and fans?

A: Your understanding may not be correct. I’m not going to answer that question. We’ve made a decision that all contract status with management and coaches will remain internal. Too much gets made of it. He could have five years, it doesn’t matter any more.

Okay, Waddell never lied. He never denied Hartley was on a 1-year deal. He just wouldn’t “confirm” it. I have “corrected” myself.

By Brendan

October 7, 2007 12:16 AM | Link to this

I just saw Scott Mellanby on Hockey Night in Canada’s intermission. Also, you may want to peek out your window tomorrow morning for signs of the Four Horsemen of the Coming Apocalypse. Why? Because Niko Kapanen has scored a goal! Okay, he didn’t exactly score it. The puck ricocheted of Bruins netminder Tim Thomas, and deflected into the net off Kapanen’s skate. No distinct motion could be alleged, so the goal stands.

Also, Jon Sim, another former Thrasher, had to leave tonight’s game for the Islanders. I hope he’s okay.