Thrashers

By stor stark

March 20, 2007 2:30 PM | Link to this

I’m surprised Carolina isn’t in that list, given that they are only two points behind Tampa right now. I think I’d like to face them given that they are Stanley champs, division rivals, and there would be something satisfying about knocking them out.

I’m typically scared of Tampa because of their offense and their knack for owning us. The Rangers appear to be a hotter team going into the playoffs, which is cause for concern. But with the Vinnie Brad and Martin down there, even if they have bad goal tending it could be hard to keep up with their scoring if they get hot.

By Jsmooth

March 20, 2007 2:36 PM | Link to this

Give me Ottawa, New Jersey or Buffalo. I’d almost prefer to finish 7th or 8th so we wouldn’t have to face a Swedish goaltender…especially Holmqvist! He is always tough.

Who am I kidding?? I want to win the division and rub Tampa’s nose in it. If we have to play them, so be it. With home ice, I like our chances. Plus, they have not played us since we acquired KT and AZ. I like the idea of Walt getting under Vinny’s skin and the prospect of KT smashing that little gnat St. Louis into the corner boards really appeals to me.

God I hate the Dolts! I’d rather lose to the Canes than them.

And CC, I think Ottawa may be a bit vulnerable defensively in the playoffs. I’m not sold on Emery board as a Stanley Cup worthy goalie. I would like our chances against them in a later round. But I wouldn’t be surprised if they are upset by Carolina or the Blueshirts from NY.

By Buzilla Baby Blues

March 20, 2007 2:36 PM | Link to this

I’m not really keen on predicting any opponents until we are officially in the playoffs. This is kind of like when Iceman asked about injur…

can’t say it

By Jsmooth

March 20, 2007 2:38 PM | Link to this

Oooops! Sorry, I mean Lundqvist, not Holmqvist! Regardless, I’d like to avoid all of the “qvists” in the playoffs. However, perhaps Tortorella will destroy both of his netminders’ confidence with his schizo handling of the situation down the stretch!

By UpperDeck4Life

March 20, 2007 2:54 PM | Link to this

Hummmm, the Lightening match up would be good for the rivalry, your right on that point Craig….but they have owned the Thrashers this season. Just like the Flyers, we can’t seem to beat Tampa. That leaves the Rangers and the Leafs. Man I hate the Leafs, but again, our track record against them has not been good, add to that the fact that for some reason their PP always lights up our PK. Finally it is the Rangers…a team we seem to own in recent years. We always seem to find a way to beat them. The downside is that they have the best goalie of the 3 teams you listed.

With all of that taken into account…..I would like to see the Leafs. For a couple of reasons. 1) we will have played Tampa for 8 games, do we really need to see them for a possible 7 more? 2) A hot goalie can single handedly win a series, don’t want to give King Henrik that chance. 3) that leaves the Leafs and man I would love nothing more than to stick it to the leafs and knock them out of the playoffs. There is no love loss between the players or the fans of these two teams. You wanna talk intense series, match these 2 up and see where it goes!

By Rawhide

March 20, 2007 2:58 PM | Link to this

I’m with Zilla,…let’s not jinx this,……SHEEZE!!!

(just gotta cold chill down my back…..)

By Buzilla Baby Blues

March 20, 2007 2:59 PM | Link to this

Craig

Has any of the players or coaching staff told you that they read your blog?

Just curious.

By wristshot

March 20, 2007 3:08 PM | Link to this

Another great article Craig, thank you. I would love to see us matched up against the Leafs in round one but my gut is saying the Islanders. The reason I picked them is that they have games in hand on every team ahead of them in the playoff race. With DiPietro set to return I think these guys may start to get hot. They have two games in hand against almost everybody except for Toronto. One game in hand against the Leafs.

By Brian

March 20, 2007 3:18 PM | Link to this

The Rangers - Yeah, they’ve been playing well lately, but look at the teams they have been beating. The Bruins, a couple against a slumping Isles team, St. Louis, Carolina. They did get a win against Pit but also lost to them twice recently as well. We are 3-1 against them this year, albeit 2 w’s in OT.

Tampa - they are slumping and with our new pickups we will take care of them. The Bolts do well against us but this isn’t the same team we’ve seen the last couple of months.

Carolina - I too think they are the “dark horse” and they just do well against us for some reason. Nice job stor stark for pointing that out.

I could be wrong, but I just don’t see Toronto making it to the 6th spot and I am counting on the division title. Next 6 games for Toronto is NJ, Buffalo twice (QEW home & home series), Car, Atl & Pit. Not who you want to face when fighting for a playoff spot.

The next 3 for Montreal are a home & home with the Bruins and the Caps. They also just won 3 of 4. Let’s see how they do in those and they might become the real “dark horse”.

Buzilla & Rawhide - playoff tickets have already been put on sale to the public and we are rolling along with these trades. I don’t see this as a freak injury jinx type scenario or saying “hey, did you notice there’s 10 minutes left in the 3rd and they haven’t scored on us yet”. The planets are lining up for the first SE division title for the Thrashers. At the minimum we get the 8th spot.

By Russ

March 20, 2007 3:21 PM | Link to this

I think the Thrashers are pretty much locked into the #3 seed, barring a major collapse. I still see six teams that could realistically end up as the sixth seed. This is the order I would like to see those teams in the first round of the playoffs, from easiest playoff opponent to hardest (as fans we can pick a team we prefer to meet in the playoffs without providing “bulletin board” material for that team or jinxing the Thrashers, right???)

Anyway: 1)Montreal 2)N.Y. Islanders 3)Carolina 4)N.Y. Rangers 5)Tampa Bay 6)Toronto

By Midfield

March 20, 2007 3:26 PM | Link to this

I’m sure, JPVJ catches ranallo’s entries daily.

By Brian

March 20, 2007 3:27 PM | Link to this

wristshot - the Isles have lost 6 of their last 8 with the 2 wins coming against the Caps. Yeah, they have 2 games in hand but what good will it do? 6 of the next 7 coming against Eastern Conf teams that are in the playoffs as of today…

By Craig Custance

March 20, 2007 3:28 PM | Link to this

Rawhide — You can blame me if they don’t make the playoffs. I know how fans can be superstitious, but as a hockey writer, playoff matchups are interesting to look at. But I understand if you’d prefer to sit out this discussion.

Buzilla — I know there are people in the organization that read everything printed about the team, they’ve told me as much. And Bob Hartley was recently telling me how he finally registered on ajc.com. I’d rather not think about it too much, because I don’t want it to change what I write, you know? I’m also pretty sure that ranallo is J.P. Vigier.

Along those lines, I was told by someone with the Thrashers that one of the commenters made a joke about Niclas Havelid’s mom, which I think is totally out of bounds. I hope that we would have better taste than that in the future, because obviously someone is reading these comments. Even if they’re not, a comment like that is just wrong. I can’t imagine having to deal with everything he’s had to this year.

By Craig Custance

March 20, 2007 3:30 PM | Link to this

Brian — Good points - especially about Montreal. Personally, I don’t think Carolina is going to make the playoffs.

By Rawhide

March 20, 2007 3:32 PM | Link to this

(covering ears, closing eyes,..speaking loudly)

BRIAN -

LALALALALALALALALALALAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaa

I am not LISTENING TO YOU!!!!!!!

LALALALALALALALALALALALAAAAAaaaaaaaaaa

By Buzilla Baby Blues

March 20, 2007 3:38 PM | Link to this

I am a STUPIDsticious person Brian. I can’t explain it. I know this is all just speculation and a way to kill time at work. I have my tickets all ordered already as well….but I still don’t like to use the “p” word until its official.

I would like a rabbits foot night at Phillips arena. Or a Sutton foot night. First two people get his feet!!!!

By Bob

March 20, 2007 3:46 PM | Link to this

zilla and Rawhide are right, the division is looking good, but not in the bag yet, it still could come down to that last game, but knock on wood in the completely hypothetical situation that we hold onto the division:

The favorite is Tampa to hold onto that 6 spot, tonight’s game could have a lot to do with that. I think this would be a good series, but we could take them in 6.

Second would be the Rangers, we match up well with them also and that series could go either way depending on which goaler is hotter.

If Dipietro comes back healthy tonight, the Isle could make a run and be the darkhorse to get the spot, I see them at least stealing the 8 spot from Carolina as long as Ward stays on the shelf.

If Tampa can overtake the Thrash, we might just switch spots and play them anyways with the Boltz having home ice.

To go deep, they must win the division.

By Brian

March 20, 2007 3:48 PM | Link to this

Craig - I was thinking Carolina is the “dark horse” that I don’t want to play. I am with you on their chances being slim. But I mentioned how I am more doubtful about Tor & NYI so that leaves my “dark horse” for making the playoffs, Montreal which means they would leapfrog the ‘canes.

I guess I had one dark horse (Car) that I don’t want to play and another dark horse (Mtl) that might slip into that 6th seed…

Rawhide - although you are making me laugh with that comment I actually feel it too. I will stick to talking about other teams in or out of the playoffs from this point on.

By Buzilla Baby Blues

March 20, 2007 3:51 PM | Link to this

Good thing for me I use an alias on this blog. I would hate to have Sutton could show up at my door looking to beat my @ss for all the sh*t I give him on the blog. Deservingly so I might add.

but just between you and I

…he wouldn’t stand a chance.

I thought that comment on Havelid was way out of line as well. I don’t remember anyone even giving that guy the satisfaction of responding. That was out of line. I write some things for shock value, but I don’t mess with dead relatives.

To try and distract people from talking about potential opponents…

What Thrasher players do you think “read everything about themselves?”

By Lee

March 20, 2007 3:53 PM | Link to this

I want Tampa. They are slumping and heading in the exact opposite direction as the Thrashers. With the goaltender situation up in the air for them, they seem like the team for the Thrashers to beat.

By wristshot

March 20, 2007 3:54 PM | Link to this

Good points Brian. The Leafs also have a tough schedule remaining. Eight of their final ten are against teams in the the playoffs with their ninth being the Canadiens.

Conversely, the Rangers only have one game against a team currently in the top eight.

By jen

March 20, 2007 3:56 PM | Link to this

If the Isles have to ride Choke-em in their done.

I think we match up well against the Rangers. We took the season series from them, and Jagr is not the same player this year. Lunquvist has been hot of late, but we beat him (and not in a shootout I might add). They still take stupid penalties

I would hate to see a series against Tampa, only because we already have a rivalry there, and I would like to see us develop some new rivalries. Plus we just can’t break their forecheck for some reason. However, once you get past their big 3, they are really thin up front, plus their #2 D man (Ranger) is out for at least the 1st round at this point. They could be exploited. I would like our chances better with home ice.

Honestly, the way we’re playing right now, I’ll take anyone but Philly :)

By BAF

March 20, 2007 3:57 PM | Link to this

I believe we do our best against defensive minded teams rather than the good offensive talented teams more often than not. This is why we seem to do well against the Devils and struggle against the Dolts. Our biggest downfall has always been defense and even though AZ has been a tremendous help, I rather not face a TB team in the first round.

By Bob

March 20, 2007 4:05 PM | Link to this

I can’t remember who made that no class comment about Havelid’s mom, but big ups to all for not responding to it. Havelid is a good man for how he handled and played through his loss. He’s a class guy and I’m glad he’s on our team.

zilla, remember the all the negative blogging is getting to Andy comment from someone that popped in? That was lol.

By Brian

March 20, 2007 4:06 PM | Link to this

wristshot - Yeah, I listed out the next 6 for Toronto “NJ, Buffalo twice (QEW home & home series), Car, Atl & Pit.” so they definitely have it tough too.

I agree that the Rangers will get some points. I was just listing all the teams they have been getting points against in the last few weeks as people are mentioning their wins recently. When they play a playoff team, they lose (although 1-2 against Pit so they did “beat” a playoff team) and when they play a non-contender (see list above) is when they are winning. Now like you say, they have a lot of non-contenders coming up so hopefully for the NYR fans they can rack up some points.

By michael

March 20, 2007 4:11 PM | Link to this

I don’t care who we play in the first round. Thrashers and Penguins for the eastern conference finals.

By john

March 20, 2007 4:25 PM | Link to this

If I could choose, I’d take a Toronto - Thrasher series for our first ever playoff berth. How awesome would series be? The only problem with that choice, however, would be the chance of losing to those jerks. But what an intense series would that be?

By Buzilla Baby Blues

March 20, 2007 4:25 PM | Link to this

I bet Larsen reads anything written about him. Most likely because it wouldn’t take very long…

ba domt domt.

By Brian

March 20, 2007 4:28 PM | Link to this

Buzilla - if Sutton shows up at your door this offseason there’s a real simple way to get rid of him.

Just pay for the pizza and he’ll go…

By Matthew At The SLC

March 20, 2007 4:28 PM | Link to this

The one team I don’t want to play is the one we’re probably going to play, no matter if we win the division or not. We win the division, and we’re married to the 6th seed. We lose the division, and we’re more than likely the 6th seed. Either way, that spells Tampa Bay. I don’t want to see Tampa Bay. I know we have to get by them, but they own us. Hey, when the Packers won the Super Bowl in 1996, they never had to beat their nemesis (the Cowboys). That’s why I want to see the two New York teams. The Rangers or the Islanders are a much better first round match up for us, meaning we should win both series in about 5 games.

And even more than Tampa, we don’t want to see Toronto. Name the two teams which have owned the Thrashers since inception? Tampa and Toronto. I don’t want to see them in the first round.

By Brendan

March 20, 2007 4:32 PM | Link to this

Well, my feeling is that we’re going to get Tampa. But I’ve been wrong plenty of times. It could be Carolina. It could be the NY Rangers. I have the feeling that the Maple Leafs don’t make the playoffs and Carolina squeezes into the 8th spot.

I have something horribly embarrassing to confess. (Uhh, stop that. Whatever it was that you’re thinking, just stop.) I’ve gotten a little caught up this Islanders ad campaign they’ve had going. (IF you have Center Ice, you know what I mean. “We’re all Islanders” is their ad blitz. As in, if you live on Long Island, you are, by definition, an Islander.) I’ve enjoyed laughing at (Isles owner)Charles Wang since the offseason. But there’s a certain level of enthusiasm and clever marketing goin’ on out on Long Island that I actually find compelling. Kind of an … against all odds sort of thing.

I’ll refrain from mentioning Deb Kaufman. On second thought, forget I said anything.

I think it would be pure hilarity if the Islanders, after all the BASHING, actually made the playoffs. Funny thing is, I don’t especially want to face them. They’ve done fairly well against us and MOMENTUM works in wonderous ways. I’ve learned to never say never, as 6th, 7th, and now yes, 8th seeded teams have reached the Finals.

I think we’ll get Tampa Bay. I actually WANT to face Ottawa. Why?? Dany Heatley is still the pot of honey that brings out all the Atlanta bees. Nothing would raise hockey awareness more than a playoff series with the Senators. I agree that Ray Emery has yet to establish himself as a playoff goaltender. Pull the puck W I D E on him, and he has shown that he cannot push off fast enough to recover. Then slip it in or flip it over. Either way, it’s a goal. Come to think of it, isn’t that EXACTLY how Buffalo’s Jason Pomminville ended Game 5, in overtime? He rushed in from the side and pulled the puck ACROSS Ray Emery, who couldn’t reach or push effectively enough to recover as Pomminville deposited the puck in the net. For you “trivia buffs,” Pomminville is the only rookie in NHL history to score a short-handed, overtime winner. The tally eliminated the Senators and sent Captain Daniel Alfredsson, the defender on the play, into the media fire. It was not exactly a “committed effort” on his part, as he mildly “swiped” at Pomminville’s skates as he flew right by him.

But, Craig may have a good point. The Senators have long been favorites to hoist the Cup. (5/7 previous seasons have been 100-point campaigns.) This time around, they’ll probably be regarded as “underdogs.” Without that level of EXPECTATION heaped upon them, perhaps they’d actually succeed? The Senators problems, through the years, stem from an utter inability to advance past the Toronto Maple Leafs (0-4). I bet Ottawa fans think they’d handily dispose of Atlanta as a 1st round opponent. They might be in for a bit of a surprize.

By Buzilla Baby Blues

March 20, 2007 4:38 PM | Link to this

Brian

Would you still tip him?

By CM

March 20, 2007 4:41 PM | Link to this

Geez, I don’t know, but the house was rockin’ on Sunday night and we need more of that! Yeah baby!

By ranallo10

March 20, 2007 4:51 PM | Link to this

I’m loving the low blows on the roster players…I was thinking of making fun of French Canadian players, but then realized that no matter how tiny they are (Briere, 5’7 177) they’d STILL be able to whoop my a*…especially on skates.

I know a few people who are friendly with Sutton, apparently he’s the nicest guy in the world. This same person liked to make fun of Lessard (to his face) for being a bleeder…quality stuff.

By Buzilla Baby Blues

March 20, 2007 4:52 PM | Link to this

Why does Deb Kaufman talk out of one side of her face? She looks like Mary Jo Buttafucco with darker hair and without the white trash soap opera story to go along with it.

…she erks me

By Brian

March 20, 2007 4:53 PM | Link to this

Buzilla - the best tip I can give Sutton is to clear the puck along the boards from his own end…

Brendan - it is mathematically next to impossible for us to play Ottawa in the first round. How do you see that happening? And then the only way it would happen in the 2nd is if Buffalo lost in the first round.

I agreet that the Heatley thing would be good to get the Atlanta fans going, it would also be the most intriguing of all first round matchups as the media always looks for storylines.

Buzilla & Rawhide - sorry, but Brendan brought it up…

By Brendan

March 20, 2007 4:58 PM | Link to this

I’m not afraid of Tampa Bay. Bring it on! They don’t the goaltending. Ranger is hurt. Boyle will have to play 33 minutes, along with Sarich. Richards, St. Louis, Fedotenko, Lecavalier and Prospal are the guys on which to concentrate. But they’ve got to watch out for Kovalchuk, Tkachuk, Sim, Hossa, Kozlov, and Belanger. Plus Zhitnik and Havelid on the blueline.

I honestly think that, with Waddell’s moves, we’ll take Tampa Bay based on DEPTH. If Kari falters, we still have Moose. And that’s not too shabby.

Bring on the Bolts! I’m not afraid them. This is not 2004. Khabibulin’s legacy is that his departure crippled Tampa Bay’s chances for a repeat Cup. In retrospect, they probably should have kept Khabibulin and cut loose St. Louis or Richards.

By Thrashers27

March 20, 2007 5:02 PM | Link to this

Sure Tampa has had our # throughout this season, but I don’t think they stand a chance with the additions we’ve made. I think we would pound the Lightning. Possibly sweep them right out of the post season. Second choice would be Carolina. Third: Rangers. Fourth: Leafs. Fifth Sens..

A win Thursday against the Sharks will go a long way toward a plyaoff guarantee.

By Thrashy Thrashy

March 20, 2007 5:04 PM | Link to this

I want to see the Leafs in the first round. In Game 1 at Philips, Andy Sutton can go on a headhunting mission in the first period. Ahhhhh…that’s old-time hockey! Get the bad blood flowing and keep it going! Nothing could be more satisfying than a bloody first-round KO of the Leafs, could it?

That being said, it’ll probably be the Rangers or ‘Canes.

By Brendan

March 20, 2007 5:09 PM | Link to this

Hey, I never said I thought Ottawa would be our opponent. I just hope that they are. That’s who I want. I’d like to avoid Pittsburgh, just like the rest of the Eastern Conference. They’re young and fast. Seven 1st round picks are in their starting lineup. That’s a recipe for success.

By ranallo10

March 20, 2007 5:10 PM | Link to this

Cut loose St. Louis or Richards??????

Brendan, re-read your thoughts and explain to me LOGICALLY how cutting one of those two players over Khabibulan would’ve BETTERED their team. You’re usually better than that…I expect more from you (and longer posts quite frankly).

In my opinion, Khabibulan was POSSIBLE to replace, and showed in Chicago that he wasn’t suited for the new NHL. Injuries caught up to him, a worse defense exploited his weeknesses, and he was slow to adjust. This is the first season that I can say he’s showing his old skills again…but he’s not a franchise player. St. Louis, Richards, and Lecavalier ARE.

But hey, that’s my opinion. Look at how a fine team like Chicago (yes fine, they have some talent) does with Khabibulan, and look at Tampa with their rotate-a-goalie approach since Khabibulan. I’d take Tampa’s team in a heartbeat.

By Brendan

March 20, 2007 5:19 PM | Link to this

Buzilla, I don’t know why Deb does tend to talk out of one side of her mouth. I mean, literally, as opposed to the “figure of speech.” But she sure is enthusiastic! I think she’s got a bit of crush on Trent Hunter. It’s that overactive imagination of mine, probably. Forget I said anything. (Here come the Center Ice watchers to test out my theory.)

By Brendan

March 20, 2007 5:28 PM | Link to this

Well, Tampa’s team isss better than Chicago’s. Definitely. Khabibulin’s injuries were unforeseen. But he’s still a quality goaltender. Maybe not the best in the league. Was he before?? I don’t know. I wouldn’t have said so. But at least an argument could have been made for it. But I also think that Richards or St. Louis could have wrought a virtual “windfall” of talent back to the Bolts in some form of trade.

If you hold that goaltending is the most critical position on the team. And you place value on previous Stanley Cup winning netminders, (who aren’t two days older than dirt,) then holding on to the ‘Bulin wall makes at least some sense.

I see your point, though. Richards and St. Louis are young, fast players that still have great years ahead of them. In an IDEAL world, a GM hangs on to them FOREVER. Forever meaning, “until they’re no longer viable in the NHL.” But the economic realities of the sport are what they are. Teams just cannot hold on to SUPERSTARS en masse.

Right now, I bet if you polled Bolts fans, they’d admit they have problems in net. I doubt 50% or more of them would say, answering HONESTLY, that they think they’re goaltending situation is “well in hand.” At least with Khabibulin backstopping them, they have “some” shot at it.

If the Bolts win the Cup this season, I’ll be STUNNED. Stranger things have happened though. (Sorry, I tried to make this post longer.)

By Brian

March 20, 2007 5:30 PM | Link to this

Brendan - ok, I see that you just want to play them. You had me doing the math and there’s just too many things that have to happen along with the moon being in line with Jupiter for us to play Ottawa in R1.

Not sure what to think on the Khabibulan argument, because my first instinct was that they TOTALLY overpaid Richards (close to league max and he’s not even a point/game player) and not only is Khabibulan $1mm less, but some hometown discount could’ve been worked in you’d think. Not sure what happened back then but would you take $6.25mm instead of $6.75mm to return to the Stanley Cup champions instead of going to the Blackhawks? Add that up and you have an extra $1.5mm by taking the Bulan wall over Richards.

But, he has crumbled since then and although he was good in Phx he wasn’t a Vezina candidate, was he?

One things for sure, don’t dump St. Louis and keep Richards.

Interesting debate because I don’t know which side I am on for that one…

By Defender of the Crease

March 20, 2007 5:40 PM | Link to this

First time poster: One thing you have to remember is how different the playoffs are than the regular season. Just because Tampa owns us all year doesn’t mean squat come April. Look at Ottawa and Buffalo last year. Ottawa won the first 5 of 6 games in the regular season, including a 10-4, 6-1 and 5-0 game.. but in last year’s second round they were one goal away from being swept. Part of the reason we lose to the ‘Ning is we try to skate with them.. its a different style of play in the playoffs and our defense has definitely improved.

I’m not so sure Tampa will make the playoffs, i’m taking both new york teams and carolina as 6,7,8. DiPietro is back tonight.

By Rawhide

March 20, 2007 5:48 PM | Link to this

OK,…I know I’m going hate myself in the morning for this, (as if thats the first time I’ve ever thought THAT),….

But, I don’t think I’m running afoul of my superstitious ways by simply predicting who the 6, 7 and 8 seeds are going to be in the east….

OK,….

6.RANGERS, this team is playing really good lately. They are finding their stride at the right time and are accenting the past two weeks.

7.TAMPA BAY Quite the opposite from NYR, they are having issues, and it is stemming from between the pipes. They are a team on the way down.

8TORONTO I don’t know, I think they are going to find a way to squeeze in and, by doing so could cause the 1-8 seed upset,…..

Side note: If NJ isn’t careful, they could be the 4 seed, not the 2,…Pittsburgh is still to young and dumb to know they aren’t supposed to be playing this well. They would kill TB if they wound up in a 2-7 seeded matchup.

There, I hope I dodn’t screw things up,……..

Oh, just DAMN, my black cat just walked between my legs……

By ranallo10

March 20, 2007 5:50 PM | Link to this

Those same Bolts fans would also say that Khabibulan would not be the BEST answer, and that finding a young lynchpin goalie (like they hoped Denis and HOlmqvist could be) would better benefit the team WITH St. Louis or Richards than having a top 10 (at most) goalie in Khabibulan.

Of course I would take Khabibulan over what they have now, but I wouldn’t replace their BIG 3 for any goalie in the NHL except for Martin Brodeur or Roberto Luongo. And based on age, only Luongo would make sense.

By Jeff

March 20, 2007 5:51 PM | Link to this

ranallo10 stated: “I know a few people who are friendly with Sutton, apparently he’s the nicest guy in the world. This same person liked to make fun of Lessard (to his face) for being a bleeder…quality stuff.”

Sutton use to make fun of Frankie Lessard to his face?

By Brendan

March 20, 2007 5:58 PM | Link to this

I have always thought Brad Richards contract was an overpay. But, I do see how and why Tampa Bay thought Richards was the pony to bet on. He did win the Conn Smythe Trophy in 2004.

Quite a find, considering he was the 64th overall selection back in 1998. (Ohhh, if only the Thrashers could have entered the league THAT year, instead of that ‘99 Draft.) But I digress.

Jay Feaster (Tampa’s GM) had a tough choice. Khabibulin wound up signing 4-years/$28 million with Chicago. That’s a cap hit of $7 million. Well, that’s steep. Buttttt, if you place value on prior Cup winning goaltenders, it doesn’t seem like a totally boneheaded move. But Feaster didn’t see it that way. I suspect he thought John Grahame was the “heir apparent” to Khabibulin. Or, perhaps, he thought he could draft a goalie. Or trade draft picks for a proven commodity.

In 2004, Khabibulin was awesome. He was the difference. The Bolts won the Cup, 2-1, in Game Seven. Khabibulin was in net in Game Six, when a Calgary goal, in overtime, could have set the province of Alberta afire with Stanley Cup delight. It never happened. St. Louis scored to win it, to force Game Seven back in Tampa. A 2-1 game hardly left much room for error.

That translates into serious $$$$. Those are “pressure-filled” situations. No doubt about it. If the Thrashers get into a situation where they need an overtime winner in Game Seven, I hope my heart can take it. That’s where Kari Lehtonen will EARN his money (in a future contract).

I completely questioned Khabibulin’s motives for leaving a team the caliber of Tampa Bay. Certainly, without a lockout, the Bolts would have been among the favorites. Who knows? They might have even repeated as Champs. But I’m off on a tangent now.

By John

March 20, 2007 6:02 PM | Link to this

I’d love to see Atlanta and the New York Rangers in Round 1. Even better, take it to 7 games, it would be good for the sport in the USA (and good for me since I only bought tickets for home game 4). Toronto would have to upset Buffalo to see the Thrashers and I’m not sure they’ll make it, but I hope so they make it to 8th spot.

By Brian

March 20, 2007 6:05 PM | Link to this

Rawhide - you are playing by my rules now, let’s just talk about OTHER teams making the playoffs…

I disagree on the Toronto thing (see above) but I am in complete agreement on Pit overtaking NJ.

Hey, there’s a shiny quarter underneath that ladder, can you go pick it up for me?

By Brendan

March 20, 2007 6:06 PM | Link to this

I definitely think that GM’s do NOT have to pay $7 million to have goaltending capable-enough to win a Cup. Last year’s final four netminders(Cam Ward, Jussi Markkanen, Ryan Miller, and Ilya Bryzgalov), didn’t make $3 million … COMBINED.

So, I do see what Feaster was thinking. “Let me keep my core nucleus intact, and go find a goalie.” And for a lot less than $7 million. But right about now, Feaster might have been more willing to pay him.

By Brian

March 20, 2007 6:15 PM | Link to this

Brendan - actually there was a goal that set all of Alberta on fire. Unfortunately it was “off the skate”.

Poor Rhett Warener. He was in Buffalo for the NO GOAL and then was traded to Calgary for Chris Drury only to be a part of another game winning controversial non goal in the Stanley Cup finals. The first time the goal was against him and it counted, he lost. The second time the goal was for him and it didn’t count, he ended up losing…

By Brian

March 20, 2007 6:23 PM | Link to this

Brendan - Your goalie numbers are off. Markkanen was only in for Edmonton because Dwayne Rolosson got hurt in Game 1 of the finals. Rolosson made $4.5mm last year…

By Brendan

March 20, 2007 6:34 PM | Link to this

I knew it was only a matter of time until someone corrected me on that. But Markanen did play six (6) games in the Stanley Cup Finals, amassing a record of 3-3, and GAA of 2.17, including a shutout. Effectively, he was the one in net for the Oilers, wasn’t paid much, and still succeeded.

Ohh, not the Oilers won the Cup. But he filled in MOST CAPABLY at a modest salary. But, you’re right. He wasn’t the “designated starting goalie” of the Finals for the Oilers. That was Dwayne Rolosson. Absolutely correct.

But had the Oilers captured the Cup with Markanen in net, would the Oilers feel compelled to offer him $7 million a year? I doubt it.

The larger point I am trying to establish … is that inexpensive goaltending can be found and accompany excellent playoff results.

By EAVBlue

March 20, 2007 6:42 PM | Link to this

I just read through these and saw the posts about facing Ottawa and that Heatley would get us all going and it reminded me of something I wanted to post to the group. I was listening to the last game (against Ottawa) on the radio and Kamal and Odgers were getting really annoyed at the Atlanta fans for booing Heatley and I was kind of confused. I know he went through a lot with the accident and all but didn’t he bolt on us? My take on our booing is it’s one of those things that actually helps build up team support and starts to give us history, on the other hand he did go through a lot and Snyder’s family has been very supportive of him. Do you think Odgers and Kamal need to get over it? Or should Atlanta fans get over it and just be content to love Hossa in all his wicked bada$$ness?

By LAC

March 20, 2007 6:44 PM | Link to this

I see us locking horns or STICKS, with NYR, because of Hot goaltending.

They have a lot of inhuries, that would likely make them our FIRST Playoff victim… Remember The FLAMES Won only 2 games EVER in the playoffs… I hope we can win a series.

We still need McCarthy on Defense, sutton just has to sit, the factor of SPEED comes into play much more during the playoffs than regular season…

Not missing Slater, he has not been a factor at all this season, except the last second goal against TB.

I believe Pittsburgh will beat NJ in the Atlantic, Meaning Ottawa would claim fourth, NJ 5th, NYR 6th, TB 7th and Carolina the 8 spot.

So… Buffalo/Carolina Buff 4-1. Pittsburgh/TB TB 4-3. Ottawa/N.J. NJ 4-2. Atl/NYR Atl 4-1.

  Buff-TB           Buff 4-0.
  Atl/NJ            Atl 4-1.

  Buffalo/Atl       Atl 4-3.

Stanley Cup… Nashville/Atlanta…

Now won’t that just P—- Off those Canada guys who think it’s “Their” game. Too bad guys, if YOU had better teams, well Leafs NO Cups since before EXPANSION…guess those expansion teams are too tough.

Lastly Hate Pittsburgh is not moving to Kansas City… Mario sure LIED his way out on this one… No more respect for Mario !

By Brian

March 20, 2007 6:48 PM | Link to this

Brendan - if Markanen couldn’t win the Finals against Carolina, what makes you think he would have won 3 consecutive series against the top 3 seeds in the Western Conference? Remember, Edmonton was the #8 seed, so they had to beat every top seed in the Campbell for 3 series in a row just to get to the Cup Finals.

As for Miller & Ward, they are vastly underpaid mainly because they are rookies and are not allowed to be paid over a ceiling. I doubt that GMs are going to start saying that in order to make the Cup Finals they have to go out and get a rookie goaltender just because Miller & Ward did so well last year. Yes, I know that Roy and Hextall had equal success as rookies in the 80’s.

If nothing else to add to the rookie goaltender in the playoffs debate, what is the Thrashers biggest question mark going into the postseason? It’s the rookie goaltender who’s only getting paid $1.5mm this year…

By R. Stroz

March 20, 2007 6:51 PM | Link to this

As a native Atlantan, I’m finding it difficult to cheer for a New York hockey team. But, GO ISLANDERS! (Tonight only)

By Rawhide

March 20, 2007 7:04 PM | Link to this

Only slightly off topic,….but this whole “superstition thing” brings to mind this:

Most pundants place the reason for the recent surge by the Thrashers on the great trades DW made the weekend prior to the trade deadline.

I hate to play the contrarian here,…but I have a different take.

See, I received my new Thrasher jersey, a road white authentic RBK job with RAWHIDE accross the back,..on Feburay 23, 2007……I did not wear it the next day as I was not in attendance at the 4-1 loss to Carolina.

However, I wore it the next Monday at by sons’ hockey practice as we beat the Bruins. Friday the 2nd and Sunday the 4th, I wore it in attendance to the Senators and Hurricanes game….we won both.

Although not in attendance for the Fla. or Montreal games,…the jersey was worn.

Seeing a pattern here??

Uh-huh.

Saturday the 10th, I had a soccer game to play, the magic jersey,….not with me. Result: 3-2 loss to Florida.

Now, I’m starting to think…..hmmmm.

Wore it as the Thrash played the caps,….we win.

Now,…..the boys had practice on the night we played in Philly last week….I forgot the jersey at home. I get in the truck to come home,…it’s 3-1 Flyers! - YIKES!!!! I break all types of laws speeding home, calling Mrs. Rawhide to have hew waiting in the garage with it….times wasting!!!!

I streetch into the driveway, grab the jersey, (kissed her quickly),…..we score making it 3-2! - But I was too late, we did not pull through.

Jumpin’-JEEZUS-on-a-POGO-STICK!!!

Had dinner with the family and parents Friday night,…I insisted on having the jersey on. Wife protested,…but this is DESTENY, by God! It was worn.

Sunday,…driving the mother-in-law to the airport,……(or as I call it, a pleasure trip),….the jersey was on!!!

That’s right folks. The Thrash are undefeated in games I have had the jersey on for the whole game. The only losses,…..when I don’t.

See, DW, BH and the players don’t deserve ALLLLlllllll of the credit.

Tonight, I’m pushing my luck,….I will wear it as The Doltz play the Islanders……

(That and the black cat gets booted into the basement)….

By RedandBlackAttack

March 20, 2007 7:15 PM | Link to this

With the way the Thrashers are playing right now, they could move up to catch a #2 seed by the end of the season to face a #7. However, if things remain the same as they are now with the Thrashers as a #3 seed, then Tampa may be the best team to face in the first round. That is if TB can still hang in there at #6. Their play of late indicates that they may be falling.

The Rangers would be a very tough team to face. Look at how many shots they have been putting on goal of late. They are out shooting their opponents. They are a quick, grinding team, and will give the Thrashers some difficulty while keeping Lehtonen and Hedberg busy with so many shots to the net.

All in all, it is looking like Thrasher playoff hockey is getting very near. That is what really counts. The Thrashers will do well no matter who they face. I just would not want to face Pittsburgh until later. Right now, no one wants to face Atlanta either. Go Blue! Go Thrashers!!!

By Roswell Thrasherfan

March 20, 2007 7:25 PM | Link to this

does everyone else enjoy brian and brendan debate much more than bob and ranollo? when one of them doesn’t understand something, they say it. if one of them is wrong, they say it. they pepper each other with real facts that i am learning a lot from and not once did either of them call the other a pimple faced 7th grade girl. now if someone could just tell me what the campbell is i will be happy.

By Christy

March 20, 2007 7:58 PM | Link to this

The Campbell is the old name for the Western Conference. NHL dropped it in the 90s so that those of us new to hockey wouldn’t get confused by a name that had nothing to do with geography…

By Bob

March 20, 2007 8:55 PM | Link to this

You’ve gotta have the sweater on now, the damn refs are trying to hand the game to the Bolts but somehow the Isle is staying in it. Tampa’s had 6 PP’s in the first 1/2 of the game and tons of quality chances.

By Bob

March 20, 2007 8:57 PM | Link to this

Fear The Sweater

And the Isle just tie it up shorthanded.

By Rawhide

March 20, 2007 9:15 PM | Link to this

Yes,…fear the sweater, indeed.

The Isles just went up 3-2.

Exxxxxxxxxxxxxcellent!!

By Bob

March 20, 2007 9:19 PM | Link to this

I tell you what, Brendan, after watching that period of Tampa’s goalie pulling a Dunham on them, I bet they’d rather have The Bulin Wall than Richards right about now. You can’t tie up that much money in forwards in the Cap Era, spread the wealth (it’s why we can’t afford Tkachuk). Ranger out is also hurting them down the stretch.

Tampa’s forwards are getting all kinds of looks, but DiPietro is outplaying Tampa’s goalie big time here.

By JayBird

March 20, 2007 9:26 PM | Link to this

Rawhide, that is great about the jersey. If we win, I wear the same jersey the next game. If we lose, I change to a different one. The rotation right now is on the blue home jersey which is being worn for the longest stretch I can remember. Superstition goes along with sports, so I don’t have a problem with it. I am really superstitious with the baseball team I coach. If we play well, I’ll wear the exact same thing the next game. I would love to hear about some of the Thrashers players superstitions.

By Bob

March 20, 2007 10:03 PM | Link to this

Bah, we’re still 4 up on them and tied in games played.

The Thrash still haven’t lost when you had it on, it’s still intact.

By Rawhide

March 20, 2007 10:11 PM | Link to this

Yeah….

Stupid Islanders.

Stupid, STUPID Islanders.

By Brian

March 20, 2007 10:13 PM | Link to this

I just logged on now and saw that TB got on OT winnder. I saw the first 2 periods and I will give it to you that it was DiPietro playing well but also TB blowing some chances also.

Craig - nice call on the Toronto game but Montreal won too so I am sticking with that pick. Care to make it interesting?

By LAC

March 20, 2007 10:59 PM | Link to this

Watched the Ottawa-St.Louis game.

This Mick McGoo should be FIRED and NEVER allowed to be an official in the NHL EVER AGAIN.

St.Louis scored TWO goal, clearly over the line, first not reviewed by mcgoo and the second whistle blew while puck was moving across the line, What a SUCK ref.

This allows Ottawa to get two free points and gain on us in the overall race, if tie-braker we own it 3-1-0 against them this year. but that wasas bad a game I haveever see called since The Great, Bob Myers stiffed the Flames against Detroit in 1977 when The Flames got 7 calls against them in the 3rd period and lost to a BAD detroit bunch.

I sure hope mcGOO does not ref any Atlanta games the rest of the way… Overall it has been a BAD year for officials in the NHL this season… They deserve a PAY CUT !!!!!!!

By Braves fan 202

March 20, 2007 11:09 PM | Link to this

Ya the end of this season is very nerve racking as a thrashers fan. I hope they can win the division that would be great for the city and the sports fans becoming more diverse. I never thought i would care this much but i have noticed i go to a lot of games and watch the rest on tv. I hope they get to play the sabres. I know a big sabes fan and i would LOVE it if they could beat the number 1 sabres. Anyways im definately seein us playin tampa(atleast i hope).

By Brendan

March 21, 2007 12:41 AM | Link to this

RAWHIDE, I am enjoying your tales of the Jersey. I think it should become a continuing mini-series. And every post should begin with 1) where the jersey is now, 2) where it will be later, and 3) if it’s being dry cleaned, so we can tip the dry cleaners to take extra special care of it.

Brian, there is no way of knowing if Jussi Markanen could have carried the Oilers through three rounds of the playoffs. That’s why they play the games. Did the Hurricanes think their MVP goaltender would be Cam Ward when the playoffs began? Well, I think it’s safe to say the answer would be, “No.” They started Martin Gerber, who promptly lost BOTH home games in Raleigh in the opening round. To switch things up, Coach Laviolette put in Cam Ward for Game Three versus Montreal. The Hurricanes won the next four games to take the series. Cam Ward, making something like $684,000, was now on his way.

I wonder if, in the beginning of the 2005-06 season, the Ducks knew, for certain, that Ilya Bryzgalov, would be their “go to guy” in the playoffs? I suspect they still thought Giguere (2003 Conn Smythe winner) would be their #1 goalie.

I haven’t checked (and I should have, but I do these posts off the top of my head anyway,) but I wonder what Calgary netminder Jamie McClennan makes? Why do I ask? Because if something happens to Kiprusoff, the Flames will have to rely on him. Can he carry the load? Hmmn. Methinks, probably not. But what if he does? And if he does, he’d just be the latest chapter in unsung, inexpensive (I assume without actually checking his salary) goaltenders who wound up delivering when it counted in the playoffs? Inexpensive depth at the goaltender position is not impossible.

Kari Lehtonen is a bit a bargain at his present salary (Cap hit is around $2 million?). And Waddell pulled off a coup by signing the Moose at only a $1.0 million cap hit. Can the Thrashers win the Stanley Cup this year? That’s why they play the games. We’ll find out soon enough. And if it happens, fans across the league will wonder how we did without spending $7.0 million on a goalie. The short answer would be, “Atlanta drafted one in the 1st round, just like Carolina did.” Lehtonen was taken 2nd overall, in 2002. Cam Ward was selected 25th overall, in 2002.

Sorry for the long post again.

By Brendan

March 21, 2007 1:09 AM | Link to this

LAC, I saw that Blues-Sens game. McGeough blew the call. At least the last one. St. Louis should have tied it up. I can’t believe there wasn’t a review.

When the league’s head of officiating gets this tape, there will probably be consequences. They probably won’t be drastic. But McGeough may be removed from consideration for Game Sevens in Conference or Stanley Cup Finals. He is a very seasoned referee. It would probably bother him to be informed of such a decision. Then again, this is just “one bad game” in the totality of the season. But if he blows another one this badly between now and the end of the season, I wonder what the league will do.

By ranallo10

March 21, 2007 1:10 AM | Link to this

Brendan (and anyone else who cares):

Khabibulan (prior to tonight’s 5 goal drubbing) is ranked 32 in the NHL in SV% (.899), and 27 in the NHL in GAA (2.89). I understand that the team playing in front of him has a lot to do with his success, so let’s say for arguments sake that on any playoff caliber team he would rank a tad higher (giving him an understood better defense). I STILL don’t think that Khabibulan is worth the money he pulled from Chicago. It was obvious to the world that Feaster pulled his wallet tight, and that Khabibulan bolted for the biggest paycheck (meaning no “home team” discount)…he chased the money out of Phoenix too.

Don’t get me wrong, I understood HOW he garnered the big paycheck, and I understood his importance to the team when they won The Cup. I enjoyed watching him flirt with sub 2.00 GAA with Tampa, and he made it really hard to root against them when they were in the playoffs. But a lot has changed since then…and I personally don’t believe Khabibulan is the same goalie he was before the lockout. You might ask what could possibly change about the NHL that could make him a top 5 goaltender one year and a top 30 goaltender the next. I’d say some of those reasons are: the combination of rules changed that impact the defense and open up scoring; the change in amount of protection afforded to a goalie from rushing attackers; the fact that he followed money and signed with a bad team; the fact that limits ot the size of goalie pads were constantly changed over the last few years, limiting the enormous pads that tenders like him or Giguere were; and probably many other factors I can’t think of.

So basically, I would argue that looking back, Feaster made the RIGHT call by not re-signing him and keeping his Big 3.

It’s quite possible that Feaster simply got lucky by not re-signing Khabibulan, but I think I’ll give him credit for understanding Khabibulan’s rank in regards to his peers, and possibly understood he was not worth the $7M Chicago gave him. Many people gave him hell for letting Khabibulan leave, but it turned out to be smart.

Which leads me to my next point — why do people insist on judging the effect a GM move has on his team before seeing the overall picture or end result of the move?

By ranallo10

March 21, 2007 1:17 AM | Link to this

Jeff

I’m sorry if my statement was confusing, I meant to say that my friend was the person who made fun of Lessard for being a bleeder. She also would tell me that the players gave Lessard a hard time for always leaving a fight bloody.

DO you remember the tussle he had with Chara a few seasons back?? That was my favorite fight by a Thrasher until Tkachuk put the hammer into a Frech Canadians face. Chara is HUGEMONGOUS (that’s an understatement) and can hold his own in a fight (refer to his brawl with Lecavalier last year in the playoffs)…Lessard gave up 7 inches on him, and in my opinion came out as the winner of his battle. But, Chara was the stronger man, got a few good punches that drew blood, and basically manhandled Lessard throughout the bout. I gave Lessard bonus points for taking on the tallest man in the NHL and coming away standing.

Trivia: Who was the tallest person to play professional hockey?

By ranallo10

March 21, 2007 1:44 AM | Link to this

Wasn’t Jamie McLennan the person who Roberto Luongo wanted as his backup if he were to have stayed in Florida?? I could be way off on this, but I remember a big name goalie (could’ve sworn it was Luongo) making a demand to have __ [insert backup goalie’s name here] signed to the team. In fact, if I remember correctly this player was attempting to have it written into a new contract. So, if my memory serves me right, wasn’t it Luongo who wanted McLellan as his backup in Florida, and used that in his negotiation tactics??

I could be way off though.

But, if someone were able to clarify this, I would think it would shed a little light about McLellan’s usefulness as a backup (Brendan’s question).

By TERP

March 21, 2007 5:03 AM | Link to this

The team has been performing like a new team since the “FOUR”new additions. However with the new defensive pairings and “Z” our shots against hasn’t been lowered, Kari is still facing a great deal of shots, is this making him better or tiring him out? While we are making “Blue Land” a much more difficult place to play I feel it is premature to assume we are going to finish first. Let’s not speculate on who we will play against until we have actually made the playoffs and finished in first place, alot can happen in the remaining games.

By Tony C.

March 21, 2007 8:24 AM | Link to this

I don’t want to see us draw Toronto…we’d win games 1&2, then go up there, and some 4th-liner qould break Hoss’ wrist, and get a 2-min slashing penalty, we’d win that series 4-1, but would come out of Toronto with Hoss’ out for the duration and probably Havelid out for 2 weeks….because you KNOW Toronto does not get called for a damn thing on their ice as soon as the calendar says “April”…

While I have doubts about our guys handling the other “Tampa-Two” defense, I think they showed signs of handling it last time around, plus, we didn’t have Belanger ander Walt down the middle, I’m leery but optimistic about our chances with TB.

LET’S GO BLUE !!!

By Bob

March 21, 2007 9:18 AM | Link to this

Trivia: Who was the tallest person to play professional hockey?

Manute Bol, didn’t he only play one game for some club in the AHL or old IHL?

The Bulin Wall has no defense in front of him in Chicago, think 2nd year Thrashers D. Think Tamer, Tremblay.

His stats up there this year are quite impressive considering how pourous the d is in front of him.

Tampa would be a Cup contender if they had a goaler.

By GaVaHokie

March 21, 2007 10:20 AM | Link to this

Well, if you haven’t bought your Round 1 tickets yet, please do so very soon. Because if we pull the NY Rangers in Round 1, it’s gonna be very embarrassing when they buy up more seats than Thrashers fans.

Does everyone remember the Yankees vs. Braves World Series? It was cheaper for NY fans to buy a plane ticket and a game ticket to see the Yankees at Turner Field than to buy a ticket off the street to see a game at Yankee stadium.

By ranallo10

March 21, 2007 10:26 AM | Link to this

Manute Bol is correct…DING DING DING DING DING!!

I agree Tampa would be a Cup contender with a good goalie, but I don’t necessarily agree that Khabibulan is the specific goalie needed. Basically, $7 million is better spent on other players than on Khabibulan, in my opinion. I’d rather go after that free agent or trade acquisition that could bring fleeting success with a possibility of upside (Marc Denis), and wait until a young goalie in the system emerges as a true candidate for #1.

Khabibulan is being paid $6.75M this season…some of his peers are being paid: Brodeur — $5.2M Kiprusoff — $3.5M Luongo — $6M Denis — $2.8M DiPietro — $4.5M Fernandez — $3.75M Gerber — $3.7M Giguere — $3.99M

If Khabibulan was being paid about $3M instead of almost $7M, I’d definitely would see him as the missing piece in Tampas puzzle. At his current costs, I don’t think he’s worth the salary cap space.

Chicago is the 21 ranked team for GAA, at 3.07. Notable teams that are WORSE = Montreal (3.10), Tampa (3.12), Toronto (3.17), Boston (3.49).

I wouldn’t say any of those teams have “worse” defenses, but apparently the stats show they do. Is Khabibulan’s play improving Chicago that much?? Luongo was able to play without a defense in Florida and still rack up stats…but Khabibulan makes more than Luongo.

Maybe it’s just that my standards for a $6.75M player is a bit higher than Khabibulan’s level of play.

By Bob

March 21, 2007 10:42 AM | Link to this

I agree with that, $6.75m is too much for Bulin.

Did Manute actually play a game? I think I remember him practicing and then they made some kind of decision like they thought he might get hurt, so did he only sit on the bench for one game, or did he get a shift?

By ranallo10

March 21, 2007 10:59 AM | Link to this

I could’ve sworn he actually played, but Google only found articles about him getting fitted for skates. I do remember it was a one day promotional thing of sorts…basically a freak show.

7 foot 7 inches, then the few extra inches with skates.

By Rob

March 21, 2007 11:43 AM | Link to this

Hey Jsmooth I can’t wait for the BOLTS to kick the trashers A**. I will be coming up to the ATL for the last game where Tampa will be named southeast division champs for the 3rd time.

By Bob

March 21, 2007 12:16 PM | Link to this

I think Manute sat on the bench for a game, something about him practicing with the team and wiser heads figured he’d get hurt out there so they didn’t let him play in the game.

Bring it on up, Rob. Be prepared to leave disappointed, it may still come down to that last game if you can stay within 2 pts, but this is a new club with the additions of Zhitnik, Tkachuk, Belanger, and Dupuis who are all clicking very nicely since they got here. Lehtonen is playing solid. Hossa and Kovy no longer have to carry this team, we’re much deeper than the Boltz now and I savor the opportunity to take your boys out in the 1st round.

You got a lucky 2 pts last night after DiPietro wore down in the 3rd and OT, he came back a little too quickly I think but he was lights out for the 1st 2 periods. But that’s ok, I want you within 2 pts for that 4/7 game so we can kick you down once before the playoffs start. How long is Ranger out for?

I know that they can’t set the schedules until after the playoffs are set, but does anyone know of a template somewhere online that shows when the games start (i.e. 3 seed vs. 6 seed first game Thursday 4/12).

By Brendan

March 21, 2007 1:09 PM | Link to this

Renallo, I agree with your post whole-heartedly. I don’t think Khabibulin is worth $7.0 million. The point I was trying to make was that … Stanley Cup winning goaltenders don’t grow on trees. When you’ve got one, more often than not, you try to keep him. And had they kept him, they could be in BETTER SHAPE NOW than they are. (Who thinks their better off now, with Denis and Holmqvist?)

Feaster did have other options to pursue in managing his cap. He wound up moving Frederic Modin and lost Prospal for a period of time as well. He could have moved Sarich or Ranger. Or, any of a number of options and still retained Khabibulin and his big three. They’d just be very depleted along their blueline. And, really, who knows what sort of “windfall” moving St. Louis or Richards might have brought? I suspect it could have brought in two quality blueliners and a decent winger. Or two decent forwards and a prized 1st round pick. We could go through all these “what if” scenarios all day long.

Khabibulin may, in fact, be in the twilight of his career. Perhaps Feaster did, correctly, by letting him go. Especially at $7.0 million as an asking price. That’s extortion. He’s not worth that. For all the reasons you mentioned, Renallo.

If anyone thinks being a GM is easy, they better think again. Sometimes these moves work out gloriously. Sometimes they falter, badly. But, I try not to be critical of a move that seemed like a good idea at the time.

Slightly off topic, I thought Waddell’s moving of Modry and Stefan to Dallas for Niko Kapanen was the best offseason move Don made in preseason. Operative words being, “in preseason.” Kapanen is no longer here. He was claimed off waivers by Phoenix. Do I blame DW for that? No. He did what I thought was a pretty good move at the time. Looking back, I’m not sure what Don’s best offseason move was.

I really don’t. He got Vishnevski for a 2nd round pick, which he then parlayed into Eric Belanger. I love that move. He picked up Moose for $1.0 million. I love that move. He got Krog from free agency. We lost him to the Rangers, then reacquired him. He’s back in Chicago. He picked up Metropolit. I didn’t like the move initially, but grew to like it. Now he’s in St. Louis and Keith Tkachuk is here. I like that, RIGHT THERE!! Even if KT is just a rental. And who knows, Metro may re-sign here in ATL in the offseason.

In conclusion, TB would be better off with Khabibulin, but $7.0 million was too much to pay for him. But the Bolts didn’t resolve their problems in net. Grahame now plays for Carolina, a divisional rival. And Homqvist and Denis (lost Modin in the trade) have not been an adequate solution. I don’t what to say. Feaster didn’t overpay for aging player, but he didn’t solve his goaltending woes, either.

By Brendan

March 21, 2007 1:20 PM | Link to this

Tony C., I’d prefere to avoid Canadian teams alltogether. Their arenas will be rockin’. Canadians live and breathe hockey action. I guarantee it’s a PAGE ONE, COVER PAGE headline when the home team wins in Ontario, Alberta, Quebec or British Columbia. Once you get to the SPORTS section, there are 2-3 items on the previous night’s action … ON PAGE ONE.

By Brendan

March 21, 2007 1:24 PM | Link to this

Gang, I kept saying, “preseason” when I meant to say “offseason.” Sorry. I do that sometimes.

By Matt H

March 21, 2007 1:25 PM | Link to this

Rob? Is this the Rob my friend Rob who’s comin’ up to stay at our house next week Rob? Or some other, also-deluded Rob from Tampa, comin’ around and spreading mess on our pretty, clean AJC Thrashers boards?

Well, hailing from the Bay and having cheered for the Bolts for most of my life myself, I can honestly say that there was no way in hell Feaster could have held on to Habby. Khabibulin is a stone-cold merc. Remember the fit he threw in Phoenix. If an NFL team were to offer him a contract for $8 million a year to gear up and sit on the sidelines for 16 Sundays a year, he’d sign it in a heartbeat.

Most folks’ attitudes at the time was “Don’t let the doorknob hit your a* on the way out.”

Johnny Grahame kinda got hung out to dry for his team’s poor performance last season, though I don’t think he’s a legit no. 1. They overpaid for Brad, but it was more to seal him up for the future than compensate him for now, and I think that was a smart move.

Trading Freddy Modin and Norrena away for Marc Denis, was not. It’s looking like Denis is a good “Bad-team” goaltender and a bad “Good-team” goaltender, as Ken Dryden said.

The fact remains that good goaltending is elusive. It’s really hard to bet on, you’re never quite sure where it’s gonna come from, and it’s probably never been more important in the NHL.

By ranallo10

March 21, 2007 1:28 PM | Link to this

What teams would you say DON’T have goaltending woes?

By Brendan

March 21, 2007 1:40 PM | Link to this

Folks, I’m sorry for hogging all these posts. But there’s just something else I want to add. I think Brad Richards is a very good player. But I don’t see that he’s worth 5-years/$39 million. And, folks, that’s what Feaster paid for him. That’s $7.8 million, what WAS the league maximum. It’s debatable what Richard’s actual value is. In last year’s offseason, I would have said, $5.5 to no more than $6.25 million for Richards. Five years/$31.25 million seemed a whole lot more reasonable to me. That’s a cap hit of $6.25 million.

If Richards could have been signed for $6.0 million, that would have saved the Bolts $1.8M to go spend on Khabibulin. Again, not that I really think he was worth what Chicago paid him. Namely, $7.0 million-a-year.

I don’t mean to seem overly critical of Feaster. He is a proven commodity among the GM’s. But paying a guy what was the league maximum was BETTER than taking him to binding arbitration how and why??? Worst case scenario, the arbitrator says, “Feaster, you OWE this guy the league MAXIMUM.”

Unless I’m wrong. And I’m open to that possibility. Your thoughts?

By ranallo10

March 21, 2007 1:42 PM | Link to this

Matt H — Good analysis of Denis. I think that most goalies for Columbus seem to qualify as good “Bad-Team” goaltenders. Pascal Leclaire seems destined to be a backup. Ty Conklin, Marc Denis, et ali…they don’t seem to be able to bust out of that #1.5 goalie slot (that’s what I like to call the type of goalie who is too good to be a backup, but not good enough to start — Hedberg is a #1.5 goalie, Brathwaite is a #2.5).

By ranallo10

March 21, 2007 2:00 PM | Link to this

Brendan — I think Richards is that role player that fits perfectly with a capable supporting cast. Without Prospal, Modin, St. Louis, or Lecavalier, I don’t think Richards is worth that much. But when Feaster re-signed him it seemed to everybody that he overpaid (and I can’t fully disagree with that). HOWEVER, to lock up a young talented playmaking center, who made his name with your team, and who could easily command the same amount of money from any other team on the market, can be seen as Feaster making the preemptive move. What if scenarios aside, let’s imagine the arbitrator gave Richards a one year MAX contract. DO you think Richards, after winning an arbitration hearing (basically a slap in the face to any player of his caliber), would sign a long term deal with Tampa? I think Feaster locked him up at whatever cost he felt would fit into the NHL in the future.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m not a Feaster SUPPORTER, and I’m sure he could’ve put his team in a deep hole with the Richards contract, but I think it’s smarter overpaying for a solid #1 PLAYMAKING center, than overpaying for a #1 goalie with injury concerns and a knack for chasing the big payout. No matter how little points Richards scores this season (compared to his previous seasons) I still think he’s worth almost every penny of his contract.

It’s basically the Savard fiasco all over again, just different playing styles. At least Richards has played a full season.

Let’s see what happens with Kiprusoff, Iginla, Datsyuk and Gomez. Those four players could be due a WINDFALL from any team wanting their services. They are the interesting RFA/UFA contracts for this offseason (in my opinion).

By Matt H

March 21, 2007 2:15 PM | Link to this

Ranallo- Yeah, until I’d read that part of The Game, I’d never thought about bad-team vs. good-team goaltenders. I put the book down and was like, “I’ll be damned…” cos I could name ten right then and there who fit each category.

Remember everyone, also, as someone on a Lightning board I saw once said- “The Lightning have only ever had two legitimate no.1 goaltenders in their whole history: Daren Puppa, and Nikolai Khabibulin.” It’s kind of amazing, and it’s totally true.

Tampa’s just got a s** record when it comes to goalies.

Brendan, keep in mind that the Richards signing was a message signing. When he got that big fat contract, the team still wasn’t sure who the next captain was gonna be out of the big three. Marty? Vinny? Brad?

Now it’s become mostly apparent that, whenever Tim Taylor steps aside, Vinny will (once again, but this time for real) wear the “C”. But I wouldn’t be too surprised if Brad gets tapped for it, either, or if they rotate it a la Briere/Drury.

Richards will explode next season. You watch. Just like Marty returned to form this season, Brad will get over this ungodly sea of cash he’s getting (which, really, I don’t think anyone on earth is worth that much money) and play like he really means it again.

By ranallo10

March 21, 2007 2:34 PM | Link to this

Alright Matt, I’m not really sure what book you’re talking about, but whomever wrote it validates my personal theory I’ve had towards many different positions in professional sports. Think of the relief pitcher who accrues stats on a crappy team, then can’t do it on a good team. A soccer goalie who is solid in 3-2 losses on a bad team, but then is the oft-losing goalie on the good teams with better defenses. I’m not sure what sports you watch or follow, but the overachiever on a bad team can be seen in most aspects, and is definitely an aspect a GM must consider when deciding to pursue players that MIGHT fit into that category.

By Matt H

March 21, 2007 3:23 PM | Link to this

Right on- For a long time, I guess I sort of always took it for granted that every person on every team behaved like they were in the final act of a Disney movie or something.

Which is obviously not the case, and sports become much more interesting when you inject personality into them. Which is another reason why I like hockey so much, you can actually see the players’ faces while they play.

I used to follow NFL football, but I haven’t really for a while now.

I used to like basketball. Nothing has ever shook me like hockey though. Hockey is what showed me that there are more than Jocks to sports.

I have a pretty ripe disdain for our culture of celebrity and the overpaid sports star, but I can’t get around my love for hockey. Even grossly overpaid hockey.

The book I was referencing is “The Game” by Ken Dryden.

If you even just suspect that you might like hockey, it’s worth reading.

By Brian

March 21, 2007 3:26 PM | Link to this

Wow, lots of good comments here…

Obviously someone made the comment about Khabibulan being a mercenary. Didn’t he go to Russia to play and that’s why Phoenix dealt him to TB in the first place? I think we all agree on the whole TB/Bulan debate.

Bob - the playoff schedule is extremely flexible. We only know that playoffs begin on Wed 11 Apr 07. They have to wait until seedings and matchups are set because if Toronto, Ottawa & or Montreal are are in it, you can bet that their series will start on Thu so they can come back on Sat for Hockey Night in Canada.

But if you have no idea who is going to be what seed, the NHL doesn’t want to commit the #4/#5 matchup to Thu now because it might have Ottawa. Ditto for the Western Conference.

Great trivia question, I was picturing a Blues jersey, trying to think of Chara’s height, putting all these players in my head. Then I read that about Manute Bol and I totally remember that. I think it was the Indianapolis Ice. I do also remember there was some controversy over his skates.

Let me throw this out there since we are talking about hockey in Indy trivia questions, who was the best player to ever play in Indianapolis?

By Brian

March 21, 2007 3:36 PM | Link to this

Matt H - want to hear about Tampa’s bad history with goaltenders? When they were in the expansion draft, guess who was available and they passed on him? Dominik Hasek!

Then again, Ottawa passed on him too. Then again, Buffalo made him available in the first place. Then again, Chicago traded him to Buffalo for a player who never played a game in the NHL after that trade…

Can it be that goalies are just the hardest position to predict on the ice? The “all-stars” at that position can have the shortest span of greatness vs. all the other positions. Sure you get your Roys and Brodeurs but like Brendan said one year Giguerre was a Conn Smythe winner and next thing you know he’s a nobody. Maybe I’m wrong but I think goaltenders have the biggest history of being one year wonders than any other position.

By Matt H

March 21, 2007 4:19 PM | Link to this

Oh for sure. Anyone remember Jim Carey?

By Brendan

March 21, 2007 4:21 PM | Link to this

I think Matt H. and Renallo have made excellent points here. I do believe that Richards was a “message-sending” contract. It’s a statement to the Lightning season ticket holders and the teams around the league. The message is “We’re not satisfied with one Cup. We’re committed to trying for another.” Okay. But I still think that message can be sent with a responsible re-signing of Richards.

Renallo’s excellent point was that, when it comes to arbitration, it’s a bit of a “nasty” matter in that … well … the GM has to say something negative about the player to convince the arbitrator that the salary shouldn’t be as high as the player, and his agent, suggest that it should be.

It’s my hope that, in the future, things like “binding arbitration” can be viewed as purely “business decisions.” In other words, the Bolts could walk through the door, shake hands with Brad Richards, and tell him how much they love him. Explain to him that if they weren’t butting up against the cap, that they wouldn’t be here now, sort of thing. And that, Brad Richards could put ego aside to say, “I see and recognize your point that this is a purely business decision. It’s about cap management. Not about bashing meeee.”

But maybe, I’m hallucinating. That day may, in fact, never come. The other point might be … butting against the cap or not, the team just doesn’t want to overpay for players.

Overpaying for players translates into hurting your depth. And unless you’re like Waddell, and able to spot a “bargain basement finds” and sign them, then you’re gonna be in trouble. Waddell did find plenty of cheap talent. Sim, Metro, Hnidy, Popovic, Exelby, McCarthy, Larsen, Boulton, Vigier. I should be clear, at this point, that I am not suggesting these are the most talented players in the league. But rather, that they reflect good value for the money. Throw in Pascal Dupuis and Eric Belanger, as well. They don’t break the bank. Right now, the worst contract on the team belongs to Holik. Nothing can be done about it. But it’s not a total waste. It serves as a reminder about “consequences” for overpaying players, particularly those whose luster has faded. At this point, someone will mention Steve Rucchin’s name. I hear ya, buddy. I really do. But his contract isn’t nearly as bad as Holik’s. And we’re in danger of overpaying for Kozlov this Summer. But I do think Waddell can and will get him re-signed responsibly. That means 2-years and not much more than $3.0 million. He may have to go higher than that. And therein lies the danger.

I just want to repeat that … at the time something is done, it can make a whole lot of sense. Sometimes it works out. Sometimes it doesn’t. Waddell might wind up paying Kozlov $3.6 million, based largely on his shootout contribution. Then, next season, Slava could go ICE COLD in shootouts. Then get hurt, since he’s reached the age where he becomes very susceptible to injury. At that point, this message board will ERUPT into, “Don paid too much for Kozlov!!” While that might become a painful reality, I’d still offer up that Don was doing the “right thing” at the time he did it. Who knew Kozlov would go ice cold in shootouts and get hurt? It’s a calculated gamble. We assume he’ll continue to flourish in shootouts and remain healthy. The guy has to get paid what his market value is. We’ll find out, this Summer, what Kozlov’s value is. One way or the other. Either in binding arbitration cases involving RFA shootout wizards across the league, or via free agent signings. You see what I’m saying, hopefully.

By Matt H

March 21, 2007 4:32 PM | Link to this

Word.

That’s why coaches have become so highly-valued (and quickly fired) in the new free-agent sports economy.

Getting a skilled, well-paid group of players motivated is far more difficult than motivating a band of underdogs.

And who in this day and age’s pro sports isn’t overpaid?

By Brendan

March 21, 2007 4:47 PM | Link to this

Cam Ward and Curtis Sanford aren’t overpaid. They’re the best two goalie contracts in the league. Hmmn. Maybe Hedberg, too. A case can be made for Hasek and Belfour, too.

By Bob

March 21, 2007 4:48 PM | Link to this

I don’t think they can afford Kozlov next year. Unless he takes $2m, which is unlikely.

Think about it. Right now, there is $28m already committed to next year’s Cap, and there’s 15 roster players to sign. I would take a guess that they’ll spend about $40m total next year on the club (more reason to root for them to go deep, a trip to the Conference Finals might let the club break even this year). So, that leaves $12m total to spend on 15 roster players that still need to be signed for next year!

If they give Kozlov $3m, which he’ll get from someone, that leaves 14 guys to sign for $9m total, or an average of $642k each. That would be next to impossible to get done. I think Kozlov is gone due to the numbers, unless they trade one of the higher paid guys in the offseason.

By Brian

March 21, 2007 4:59 PM | Link to this

Matt H - I do remember the Pet, I mean Net Detective…

Bob - I think Kozlov is gone too. The reason I would want him to stay at that salary is the shootout wins he has gotten us. How much salary is all that worth? Although if we are put together properly and well coached we should be winning in regulation…

Brendan - don’t you think guys like Ward & Miller (and maybe Lehtonen)are going to get a huge hike their 3rd year in the league?

By Brendan

March 21, 2007 5:16 PM | Link to this

Certainly, Brian. When a top notch goaltender’s contract is up for renewal, there’s virtually no chance they won’t get a nice pay day. I can’t remember what Ryan Miller got. I think it’s something like $3 million, for the next 2-3 years.

By Brian

March 21, 2007 5:23 PM | Link to this

Brendan - don’t forget, all 3 GMs were very unsure of these rook’s…

DW went out and got the Moose. Rutherford had Gerber penciled in as the starter. And Reiger not only had Biron, but last year he refused to trade Norenan in training camp, only trading him at the deadline so he had 3 guys…

By Brendan

March 21, 2007 5:33 PM | Link to this

I think there are plenty of teams with respectable tandems in net. In no particular order, San Jose has Toskala and Nabakov. The Ducks have Giguere and Bryzgalov. The Preds have Vokoun and Mason. The Red Wings have Hasek and Osgood. The Penguins have Thibault and Fleury. The Sabres have Miller and Conklin. The Islanders have DiPietro and Dunham. That’s at least, “respectable.” Montreal has Huet and Halak. Colorado’s Budaj and Aebischer isn’t that bad. Our own Icebirds should be okay with Lehtonen and Hedberg. Next year, the Flyers will have Biron and Niittymakki.

Then there are teams with one solid guy to depend on. Brodeur, Kiprusoff, Turco.

By ranallo10

March 21, 2007 5:33 PM | Link to this

Kozlov — what a difficult decision.

I love this man, he’s one of the biggest reasons that the Thrashers have been improving since 2002 (in my opinion). His combination of skill and versatility is unmatched on this roster. He plays with grit, he plays with finesse, he plays non-stop (hustles), he just always plays. He can PK, he can PP, he can Center a line, he can make fine passes, he can get a timely goal, his skill set is enormous. I always wished he would take over as the current and future Captain for the team, but apparently his personality in the locker room does not bode well as a Captain (read: he’s apparently quiet and nonabrasive; apparently he would rather lead by example than by words, which seems to match with what I hear of Jagr in New York).

That being said, I worry that he has priced himself out of the future plans of the Thrashers. If it were up to me, I would easily alot Mellanby’s salary to Kozlov’s future salary, and tack on the few extra million needed to keep him here for a few more years…the guy seems to bleed True Blue (what a kitsch statement). $3+M is not hard for me to swallow, and I’d be willing to see scrubs like Haydar, Vigier, Krog (or any other fringe talent with minimum salaries) playing than Kozlov on another team.

I know people who’ve hung out with him, partied with him, etc., and he seems to like the city and the team. He’s got a home in Atlanta (don’t remember where exactly, but that’s irrelevant), so I would hope that he would take a little less than market value in order to retire here in Atlanta. HOWEVER, I think he quietly did that “home-team discount” this current season. Waddell got a steal when signing him to a one-year $2.014M contract…he’s showing that his 73 points (tied for a career high, 2 more than last season) is well worth the money spent.

Can he produce another 70 point season? I hope so.

If not, will he at least be better at 36 than he was at 25-26 (45 and 52 total pts)?? I hope so.

Will he produce enough for the roster to garner the $3M that could be equally split between two lesser people (Rucchin is $1.85M, Belanger is $1.3M, Mellanby $1M)? Unfortunately he probably wouldn’t…but only because Belanger seems to be outplaying his contract.

In conclusion, I’m going to start up a KEEP KOZLOV campaign for next season. Anybody else wanna join my club (girls are allowed)?

Peace!

By ranallo10

March 21, 2007 5:41 PM | Link to this

Brian — No love for Fernandez, Harding, and Backstrom? Two young talents and an anomaly as the starter.

Hopefully Backstrom and Harding can continue their success, but I feel one of those two will become a solid number one for Minnesota.

The Wild are an exciting team to watch.

By Matt H

March 21, 2007 5:42 PM | Link to this

KEEP KOZLOV, indeed.

I really hope he can stay on. Love ‘im.

By ranallo10

March 21, 2007 5:55 PM | Link to this

Official KEEP KOZLOV Ticker: 2

By Brian

March 21, 2007 10:12 PM | Link to this

Ranollo - I was just focusing on the ones from last years conf finals and our own Kari. Point was that even the GMs didn’t have confidence that those guys were going to get ‘er done… Now I agree with all of you and Brendan that $7mm is too much, I think we all agree there, but these cheap rookies are outliers, not the rule.

By Brendan

March 21, 2007 11:57 PM | Link to this

I’ve been saying since preseason: Keep Kozlov. The issues are money and length of contract. If there’s enough money to sign Kozlov to a 2-year deal, or even a one-year deal, I support signing him. If there isn’t money enough to keep him, then I don’t. For example, I don’t want to see Hossa traded so that Kozlov may be allowed to retire as a Thrasher.

Well, I should clarify. If Don Waddell can find a home for Holik, like he did for Modry, Stefan, Bourret and Coburn, then I support trading Holik for some inexpensive depth and draft picks, freeing up cap room for Kozlov. If we had to move Slater to keep Kozlov, I think I could get behind that. Even though, philosophically, I don’t like retaining mid-30 year old guys at the expense of mid-20 year olds.

I agree with Renallo that, since 2002, Kozlov has been a “staple” on this Thrashers team. He plays an intelligent game. Hartley calls him a “computer.” He’s been invaluable in shootouts this season.

In conclusion, I want to keep him. But I understand if he becomes a casualty of free agency. The economics of the salary cap are what they are. But before any of you start crying about it, it’s that cap that allows smaller markets like Atlanta to have a “fair and equal” opportunity at winning a Cup. Without it, it’s right back to the same 4-5 teams (Detroit, Colorado, NJ, Dallas, etc.) that always skate it. From 1995 to 2003, those four cities won all nine (9) Cups.

Anybody particularly want to see a return to that?? Last year, two of the NHL’s three (2/3) smallest markets met in the Stanley Cup Finals. Carolina vs. Edmonton. That’s the effect of the Cup. It should always be about good decision-making, rather than market size. If Nashville, SJ, Calgary, Atlanta or Buffalo win the Cup this year, the salary cap is the reason why.

By Bob

March 22, 2007 9:02 AM | Link to this

You can put me down as thirding the Keep Kozlov, but it’s just not gonna happen, fellas. Look at the Cap #’s, no room for him unless he signs for $2m again, and that’s just not gonna happen after the #’s he put up this year.

It sucks, but it’s the new reality of life in the Cap World.

By Bob

March 22, 2007 9:11 AM | Link to this

You can put me down as thirding the Keep Kozlov, but it’s just not gonna happen, fellas. Look at the Cap #’s, no room for him unless he signs for $2m again, and that’s just not gonna happen after the #’s he put up this year.

It sucks, but it’s the new reality of life in the Cap World.

By Brian

March 22, 2007 10:18 AM | Link to this

Ranollo, Matt H, Brendan, Bob - put me down for #5 that keeps Kozzy. Obviously it has to be a limited time deal. But I have preached this before, we have 6 shootout wins this year. Kozzy scored in all 6 and had the game winner in 5 of them. How much are those 6 points worth right now? We all agree that he does so many other things.

Brendan - I like the idea of trading away Holik a la Modry, Stefan, etc. to free up cap space. How do you get rid of Rucchin? I do think Bobby will step up in the second season and show some value that we haven’t seen yet. That’s going to be a tough task for DW though.

By ranallo10

March 22, 2007 10:40 AM | Link to this

Official KEEP KOZLOV Ticker:

5