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DEL.ICIO.USSome food for recruiting thought
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Good morning, all-
Wednesday, as you likely know, is national signing day for football, and we’ll be posting plenty of stories online and then in Thursday’s paper about who’s signing where, and who is ranked what.
I find a couple things about recruiting kind of funny. How does anyone decide that one defensive lineman from Florida is the No. 18 player at his position and another defensive lineman from Washington state is No. 19?
Second, how is it that fans get so excited and wrapped up over players whom they’ve never seen play a single down? Or, if they have, maybe they’ve seen a short clip of grainy highlights in which they probably know very little about who it is the recruit is playing against?
Is it just because of the numbers of stars they receive, or the position they play or their “measurables”?
It sort of reminds me, not surprisingly, of the time I spent covering the Falcons and the NFL. Each April, fans (and writers) would get worked up over 40 times, bench press reps and vertical leaps. In hindsight, I think it was because that was basically all you had that was concrete. You can’t really say, “Player A’s swim move is clearly at least 5 percent better than Player B’s.” You can only say, Player A’s 40 time is 4.5 and Player B’s is 4.6.”
And then the season starts and you’re like, How on earth was this guy drafted in the first round? And you remembered anew that things like 40 times aren’t really that important, a lesson you forgot come March.
Anyway, I looked up the recruiting profiles from scout.com for the all-ACC first team from this past season. It might serve as a warning to not get too hyped up over some signee who gets four stars and perhaps also not despondent over two-star recruits.
There were a few hits - Virginia OT Eugene Monroe was the No. 1 offensive line recruit in the country in his class, while Tech DE Michael Johnson was ranked No. 7 at his position (tight end) in his class. But again, even they could identify stars in the making - Jonathan Dwyer was a four-star running back - it speaks to the silliness of the rankings. He was No. 13. It’d be hard to make a case that there are 12 running backs - or 24, if you want to include the Nos. 1-12 from the year ahead of him - that are better than him.
There were also nine two-star players. My favorite is Wake Forest LB Aaron Curry, who might be the best linebacker in the upcoming draft. In 2004, scout.com found at least 128 linebackers that they deemed better prospects than Curry.
I think it tells me that a) projecting 18-year-olds is not at all a science; b) success at the college level depends a lot on things that are not measurable - coaching, getting an opportunity to play, character, work ethic and so on.
QB- Russell Wilson, N.C. State 2 star, #67 (rank at position, where applicable) RB- Jonathan Dwyer, Georgia Tech 4 star, #13 RB- Da’Rel Scott, Maryland 3 star, NR WR- Hakeem Nicks, North Carolina 4 star, #32 WR- D.J. Boldin, Wake Forest 2 star, #78 TE- John Phillips, Virginia 3 star, No. 30 OT- Eugene Monroe, Virginia 5 star, No. 1 OT- Andrew Gardner, Georgia Tech 2 star, NR OG- Rodney Hudson, Florida State 3 star OG- Cliff Ramsey, Boston College 2 star, NR C- Edwin Williams, Maryland 2 star, NR
DE- Everette Brown, Florida State 4 star, #23 DE- Michael Johnson, Georgia Tech 4 star, #7 (TE) DT- B.J. Raji, Boston College 2 star, NR DT- Vance Walker, Georgia Tech 2 star, NR LB- Mark Herzlich, Boston College 3 star, NR LB- Michael Tauiliili, Duke 2 star, NR LB- Aaron Curry, Wake Forest 2 star, NR CB- Alphonso Smith, Wake Forest 3 star, #60 CB- Victor Harris, Virginia Tech 4 star, #8 S- Trimane Goddard, North Carolina 4 star, # 9 S- Michael Hamlin, Clemson 3 star, #43
I get it, to some degree. Obviously, it’s exciting that Tech might get a recruit that Georgia wants, and the fact that both schools want the same kid means that obviously he has some potential. And everyone likes to know or guess who the next star is going to be or who’s going to replace Darryl Richard and so on. Everyone likes things that are new. I’m not immune to the intrigue of recruiting. Trust me, I’m sure I’ll be writing plenty Wednesday,
That said, what do you think? How much attention will you be paying to signing day?
Comments
By Shambo
February 3, 2009 9:27 AM | Link to this
Apparently a lot more attention than they are paying to your column.
Why don’t you do something more useful that trying to “make news”……….like give us some direct insight on the 2009 ACC baseball teams?
By UGA is so last year
February 3, 2009 9:42 AM | Link to this
After the LSU embarrassment - I find it surprising anyone would want to come to GT. I am sure that game will play a big part in how we do in recruiting this year. You’re only as good as your last game.
By UGA is so last year
February 3, 2009 9:46 AM | Link to this
Furthermore, won’t you just die if Bobby Knight goes to UGA when we have all been saying WE should have fired Hewitt mid-season!? Instead, UGA fired their coach mid-season and now might luck out in the early bidding for Knight. Aargh!!!
By The Dude
February 3, 2009 9:46 AM | Link to this
Not to burst anyone’s bubble, because I’m definitely a Tech fan, but I’d be curious how the other conferences stack up in a similar comparison of recruitment rank versus all-conference rank. An even better comparison might include who got drafted and received significant playing time in the NFL.
By ggodsey
February 3, 2009 10:13 AM | Link to this
For all intensive purposes you are right
By Glenn
February 3, 2009 10:21 AM | Link to this
Ken;
Interesting concept. How about taking things a step further?
Why not do a quick study and weigh the total recruiting classes over the years with teams over-all rankings 4-5 years later to see how they actually translate out in real life?
So, for example, if UGA had a team recruiting ranking in 2000 of 5, 2001 of 10, 2002 of 8, 2002 of 7, and 2003 of let’s say 8 again; then look at their average ranking of UGA the years between 2004 - 2008) (assuming players will redshirt).
In contrast, if GA Tech had a team recruiting ranking in 2000 of 35, 2001 of 27, 2002 of 38, 2002 of 17, and 2003 of let’s say 32 again; then look at their average ranking of GA Tech the years between 2004 - 2008) (assuming players will redshirt).
If team wins go hand-in-hand on average with recruiting rankings, as one would expect, then the Coaching Staff is doing their job. If the team wins are better than their average (if possible), then the Coaching staff is is doing a great job. However, if the team wins are lower than the average, then the Coaching Staff is under performing.
When I say the “performing” by the Coaching Staff, I’m refer to a couple of things:
Coaching
Selecting the right kids in the first place.
Using my examples, from above (I’m not sure what they are, so I’m using arbitrary numbers so no one shoot me), IF UGA had an average Class Recruiting Ranking of 9.5 but their average Year-End AP Team Ranking came in at 17, and GA Tech had an average Class Recruiting Ranking of 34.75 but their average Year-End AP Ranking came in at 26 over that same 5 year span (again, just arbitrary numbers as an example).
Again, using the arbitrary numbers I assigned above, based on the results of the “test,” this would mean that either:
GA Tech does a much better job with “inferior” recruits or GA Tech’s recruits have been under rated by the recruiting services; or
UGA either doesn’t Coach its recruits well, its recruits aren’t good fits for their system(s), or their recruits have been over rated by the services.
I think that would be an interesting bit of “investigative reporting” we could all sink our teeth into.
By Just what are...
February 3, 2009 10:28 AM | Link to this
…”intensive purposes”? Just like a Tech guy to not know proper grammer (and no, that is not your grand maw!).
By Investigative reporting....
February 3, 2009 10:30 AM | Link to this
…at the AJC? Surely, you jest!
By cleetis
February 3, 2009 10:38 AM | Link to this
Ken- are you going to attend the signing day celebration on Wed. night?
By GT45
February 3, 2009 10:40 AM | Link to this
In PJ we trust. Enough said! We got hard looks from alot of four and five star athletes that didn’t commit, which tells me we are making noise. What is better, a five star that underachieves or a two star that overachieves-and listens to coaches? I like what we’re doing, and it’s going to get better! Go Jackets-
By BravesFan79
February 3, 2009 10:46 AM | Link to this
Who cares……enough talking about overhyped spoiled brats….
Most of these guys dont have the brains to get into gwinette tech… much less GT….
I wonder if Bob Knight would accept a assistant position at GT if we threw him enough $$…? Just imagine how good we could be with Hewitts recruiting and Knights teaching!
anyways the best sport is right around the corner…. Go BRAVES!
By let see what happens
February 3, 2009 10:49 AM | Link to this
Remember Georgia’s Class each year is so good. They should have not lost a game in the last 10 years.
Just goes to show the evaluator for the scouts/rivals does not have a clue as to what is going on.
By T
February 3, 2009 10:54 AM | Link to this
While I don’t get overly excited about signing day, it is fun. It tends to raise expectations among those whose classes are deemed as a top 10 class by the “recruiting experts”.
The difficult piece of assigning ratings is that you might have a great looking quarterback or running back who sets all kinds of records, then gets to college and is mediocre. The difference sometimes is in the O line being bigger, stronger in comparison to the opponents O line. Give a QB all the time in the world and they can look real good. Put some pressure on them, and they may tend to fold. Give a good running back some big holes to run through, and he is going to do good. No holes, not so good.
A running back can be fast but not elusive. It may serve him well in HS, but college guys may be able to catch him. Elusive is difficult to measure.
I think it boils down to the coaching staff doing their homework and try to read both measurable skills and the intangibles. Those that can read the intangibles will be able to get the steals that the recruiting services miss.
By pmc
February 3, 2009 11:00 AM | Link to this
It’s all speculation and opinion. I don’t put too much stock in stars. I do watch a lot of football. The people I saw play I thought would do well generally did even better than I thought at Tech last year which makes me believe some of the other red shirt players will as well this year. (Uzzi) Tech has had plenty of talent over the last several years they just weren’t used as effectively as Paul Johnson used them. I’m paying attention but just like the NFL draft it’s a wait and hope. I thought Florida was young on defense last year…and they came toegther quickly. It just depends year to year what happens with injuries, coaching consistancy, and team chemistry as to what may or may not happen. Tech and Georgia will both be very well stocked with good talent next season several deep in some cases and very thin in others. UGA had plenty of depth in some cases and they were so thin in others they got dominated at times last year. I’m somewhat worried about Tech’s ability to rebuild their defensive front and what that might do to the overall defense next year.
By yellowblood
February 3, 2009 11:20 AM | Link to this
It’s just this simple. We are not going to get the kids that the football factories get. We must have kids that are comfortable around our type of student and fan. Tickle Piles are not for everyone. As a player for Tech you have to be able to deal with the life style of the majority of the Tech Nation.
By AlabamaRamblinwreck
February 3, 2009 11:25 AM | Link to this
Number of stars is not very important, but it is important that the coaches have researched the player’s on-field effort, their current and potential abilities, and most of all their character/work ethic. This is where the coaches can separate themselves from other coaches. By identifying high character, high potential players, the coaches will have guys they can mold and make into great college talent.
Go Jackets!!
By GT
February 3, 2009 11:50 AM | Link to this
There is a talent found in coaches to know a player when they see one. Lou Holtz had that gift, I’m thinking CPJ has it only looking at what he did his first year at Tech. Vince Dooley use to recruit big quarterbacks and make defensive ends out of them. Bear use to recruit fullbacks and make offensive guards out of them. Too many coaches are good at the recruiting but don’t have a clue what to do with the guy when they get him. Zook was that way at Florida and I imagine the same up north where he can get away with it. Seems like in the Big 10 you have 11 fat slow guys and you draw staws on who plays what position.
By Brian22
February 3, 2009 12:43 PM | Link to this
“UGA is so last year”, correction: You’re only as good as your NEXT game. A game that new recruits will be apart of.
By wp
February 3, 2009 1:00 PM | Link to this
As a DAWG fan I watch the recruiting but I don’t get to excited about it. I’ve followed the DAWGS for many years and I’ve seen the bluechipers turn to duds and unknowns become stars so in a couple of years we’ll see how good this class is.
By 82DAWG
February 3, 2009 1:09 PM | Link to this
UGA typically finishes in the top ten, or close to it every year in recruiting. Not coincidentally UGA also finishes in the top ten or close to it every year in the final rankings. Or is it a coincidence? I can’t say for sure, but I doubt it.
By WreckHornGoesTHWUGA
February 3, 2009 1:13 PM | Link to this
Recruiting reports are one of the “least” reliable predictors of college football program success so I really don’t pay much attention to them. Despite my writing this note, I really do have a life between January and August. The audacity of hypocrisy!!!
By GT Fan Jeff
February 3, 2009 1:21 PM | Link to this
UGA is so last year…
If LSU was such an “embarassment” for GT and will hurt GT’s recruiting, what will the Florida and Alabama “embarassments” do for UGA’s recruiting? In my opinion, these losses will not hurt either program very much. While UGA will continue to sign the higher rated football recruits, Paul Johnson has made a career out of of beating teams with “better” talent. He accomplished that feat three or four times during the 2008 season, and I fully expect the trend to continue during his time as HC at GT. On the other hand, I do agree with your comments about Bobby Knight and Paul Hewitt, but if it takes UGA signing Knight to force Radakovich to make a move, then I hope UGA signs him.
By BUZZBITESDAWG
February 3, 2009 1:21 PM | Link to this
AND…UGA typically finishes among the worst in the country in graduating athletes, off-field discipline problems, and other indicators of classless behavior which place their program and their fans in the same pool as LSU, Miami, Va Tech, Clemson, FSU, and more recently South Carolina and Auburn. Recruits who attend these schools are gambling that they can get into the NFL before their rap sheet or transcripts catch up to them.
By bb
February 3, 2009 1:22 PM | Link to this
For the most part, recruiting ranking are a prime example of circular logic.
If HS player A gets interest from Ohio State, Alabama, USC, etc. he is likely to be rated a 5-star recruit. If that same player did not get interest from those teams, but instead was being recruited by Wake Forest, UConn and Syracuse, he would be a 2- (or 3-)star player at best.
It is no wonder you see the same teams at the top of the recruiting ranking every year. The recruiting services base their player ratings on who is recruiting the player (more than anything else). So, for example, Alabama will always get highly rated players, simply because they are recruiting them.
Now does Alabama, Ohio State, USC, etc. recruit talented players? I think past results show that they do. So, that may not be the worst way to rate kids. BUT, it is an inexact science.
Years ago (maybe 15), I saw a kid ranked in the top 10 in Alabama in the Birmingham News in October. That same player disappeared from those rankings when he committed early to a school outside Alabama and Alabama and Auburn stopped recruiting him. Early commits to non-traditional top 10 teams suffer the most in the recruiting rankings, since schools are not generally going to spend much money chasing a kid they are not likely to get. That’s a fact. I’ve seen it happen.
By Bama12titles
February 3, 2009 1:44 PM | Link to this
Its an inexact science as several people on here have pointed out. But don’t dismiss the recruiting rankings simply because some 5 star recruits wash out and some 2 star recruits make it to the NFL.
There is a reason why the teams that are consistently in the top 5 recruiting classes like USC, TEXAS, UF, ETC. also consistently have top 5 season finishes. And while there is always the exception to the rule where a team loaded with 2 and 3 stars beats a team loaded with 4 and 5 star recruits it is not the norm. It is the exception just like when the 2 star makes it to the nfl whereas a 5 star does not.
A couple of comprehensive studies have shown that overall these recruiting rankings are in fact remarkably accurate. One comprehensive study showed that a 5 star recruit has just under a 50% chance of going into the nfl draft’s 1st 3 rounds 4 years later. A 4 star’s chances slipped to 20%, a 3 star’s odds slipped to something like 5% although I don’t remember exactly, and a 2 star’s odds of making it were under 1%.
And again we can talk all day about the exceptions to the rule about the 5 star that failed and the 2 star that made it but the bottom line is that these recruiting services are accurate to a pretty good degree.
By yellowblood
February 3, 2009 1:48 PM | Link to this
I just cannot carry on this charade any longer. It is time for me to come out of the closet. As many of you may have suspected, I am not really a Tech fan and I know that Tech doesn’t have Tickle Piles. I am really a gay Dawg fan! There are a lot more of us (gay Dawg fans) than you might think. I thought that by making fun of Tech I could get in good graces with my Dawg friends. But it is simply not working, and I cannot continue living this lie. Please forgive me!
By WillieD
February 3, 2009 1:53 PM | Link to this
To “Just what are”
I find it laughable that some uga Liberal Arts major would criticize a Tech mans grammAr, and spell it "grammEr". Dont they teach you guys to spell in those Remedial College Courses? Or did you learn it at dear ole Hargrave, prep school to the stars?
By WillieD
February 3, 2009 2:08 PM | Link to this
Memo to: “Just what are” (possible dup) From: WillieD. Subject: Remedial spelling
Your nerve is exceeded only by your ignorance. Did they teach you at uga to spell “grammar” with an “e”- as in “grammer” (which incidentally could be a nick name for “grandmother”), or did you learn it at dear ole Hargrave, prep school of the stars?
By bama12titles
February 3, 2009 2:30 PM | Link to this
I once saw someone on this blog criticizing someone else for their poor “grammer” and spelling. I guess in his arrogance he didn’t realize how grammar really is spelled. Priceless! What’s that about those in glass houses? I don’t want to bash any dawg fans but it was a dawg fan bashing someone else. I think he was bashing a gator fan not sure though before the cocktail game. I guess that didn’t work out too well either.
By Born2Buzz
February 3, 2009 2:39 PM | Link to this
A TECH man knows to not worry about 18 year olds that haven’t set foot on the campus. That’s why there will be 300 (or more) people in Athens for their annual chest beating while maybe 30 people come to the TECH event. Most TECH alums have better things to do during their day, like running companies. I will trust that the coaches we pay to identify talent will do the best they can and in a few years we will have some solid players. In case any of you didn’t notice, we played a bunch of freshmen and sophmores this year. Most of our recruits signing tomorrow will not see the field next year.
For all you people who want to think Bobby Knight is an answer for any Bball program, get a grip. Knight is a first class jerk, so he and Michael Adams probably deserve each other. If he comes to UGA there will be a big splash of news and there will be a bump of enthusiasm for that program…for about 2 years. And then it will become obvious that Knight can’t get any big time recruits and the wins/loss record will be mediocre at best. And he will probably quit on his team in mid season just like he did at Texas Tech. (What a hypocrite. He preaches discipline and commitment, yet he walked away from his responsibility in mid season.) I would love to see him come to UGA and watch as the program is looking for another young up and coming coach in 2012.
By surfrider
February 3, 2009 3:44 PM | Link to this
Good article. To me yes everyone is looking at things like speed, size, athleticism, etc..but it’s the intangibles that make the great recruiting class a few years later. These would include whether they are interested in graduating, have upside potential, coachable, etc.. Johnson seems to have a knack for this in recruiting. Many Tech coaches have shown this knack as the school kind of makes it a factor. Bill Curry took in players and moved them around and they did well..Whisenhunt, Parker, Pike, etc…Ross was probably the best at getting in solid classes (only one in the top 25 I think) and getting them coached up. Injuries and suspensions and the coaching change hurt Tech from 1991 till 1995 as we were suppose to the be one of the teams of the 90’s. Oleary and Gailey both seem to coach up from their recruiting rankings. There seem to be two sides of recruiting that need to be improved on though. One is these kids are young and they are asked to make a decision relatively quick. Two schools like Georgia Tech are holding valuable scholarship offers and can’t wait forever and need some answer since there is a long line of
athletes who want a chance.
By Glenn
February 3, 2009 3:52 PM | Link to this
Ken;
How about taking even one step further again;
Next, take a look at the pro level and see how many stars the guys were ranked out of high school as well, and maybe where they went to college, or at least by Conference, so we can see how that plays out.
It’s all well and good that some of these “football factories” may claim that they put all of these players in the pros, but at the end of the day, what’s really happening?
By GT66
February 3, 2009 3:59 PM | Link to this
Yellowblood you are an embarassment to whatever school you attended. Why don’t you leave these blogs to people who have something intelligent to add which you never do.
By chris
February 3, 2009 4:03 PM | Link to this
I think the recruiting rankings are important in that they predict who gets the top 5 to 10 best recruiting classes. I think when you compare a team ranked #1 to a team ranked #25 there’s a definate advantage to team #1. But when you compare a team ranked #15 and a team #25, it’s almost impossible to predict which of those two teams will end up with the better class. It’s tough to judge a player who is playing against inferior talent in high school. Take a running back who weighs 210 pounds. In high school he’s playing against lineman who weigh 185 pounds and up. In college the lineman are 275 pounds and up. You just don’t know how a high school kid is going to react to that kind of jump in size and athletic ability.
By WreckHornGoesTHWUGA
February 3, 2009 4:23 PM | Link to this
One thing is certain about yellowblood: if he/she (it?)continues to talk about high school recruits and tickle piles he will be guilty of child molestation and probably wind up on MSNBC and/or in prison where the piles don’t tickle very much at all.
By BUZZBITESDAWG
February 3, 2009 4:29 PM | Link to this
Chicken and Egg stuff. Winning, high-profile programs get the highest-rank recruiting classes which, in turn, produce winning, high-profile programs. The best programs feature stable coaches who can win with good players who fit their system and style of play, period. I would bet that (if such statistics existed prior to the 1980’s) most of the all-time Heisman Trophy winners were not “5-star” recruits and that most National Champions were not in the top 2 or 3 recruiting classes 4 years before.
By SirDuke
February 3, 2009 4:33 PM | Link to this
Amen, Wreck Horn. Those prison tickle piles are characterized not by girly giggles but by “screaming like a pig” a la Ned Beatty in Deliverance. Come to think of it, those hillbillies in Deliverance were on the UGA SEC Championship team of 1976, weren’t they?
By WreckHornGoesTHWUGA
February 3, 2009 4:59 PM | Link to this
TECHnically, Sir Duke, the hillbillies in ‘Deliverance’ were the fathers of Georgia recruits who ended up on the ‘76 UGA team, whom Tony Dorsett made scream like pigs in the Sugar Bowl. Ned Beatty was the UGA recruiter and the albino banjo boy grew up to QB at Miami, kid by the name of Richt….don’t know what happened to him.
By Sid
February 3, 2009 7:18 PM | Link to this
Would you repeat that please????? On the other hand,never mind.
By Mister T
February 3, 2009 8:32 PM | Link to this
Ken,
I really appreciated your research on this article. Contrary to the one or two responses I read, I found your article very interesting and informative. It actually was reporting supported by factual data that put all the recruiting speculation in prospective.
Thanks and…
THWg!
By sonny dawg
February 3, 2009 9:06 PM | Link to this
well,in my professional opinion, cpj should recruit high schoolers extremely well seeing as he runs a complex high school offense…and why is it players have such a hard time getting thru uga admisssions and can sooo easily get in tech…oh yeah, that’s right, it is easy…one more thing, what do all y’all idiots at tech call uga grads?????yes you got it, governor..
By Mike T.
February 3, 2009 10:56 PM | Link to this
42-45 a fluke
By Deliverance
February 4, 2009 12:52 AM | Link to this
Correction,
Ned Beaty was some Tech grad. He was some fat, slobby dorky looking guy who made good grades but didn’t have the personal skills to get a good job so he ended up getting some little lab job that pays $30,000 a year. But he got to brag about going to Tech even if he didn’t get him too far in life. And to further show he was a Tech grad, he was the one targeted by his the local people because they could tell he wouldn’t be able to fight them away. And he seemed to enjoy squealing like a pig a little too much, which has Tech written all over it.
By Speaka Engalish
February 4, 2009 7:03 AM | Link to this
“intensive purposes”
Ignorance is bliss…..
By Yes, I, too,...
February 4, 2009 7:51 AM | Link to this
…find it laughable, not to mention embarassing, that I was a dumb a$$ for mispelling “grammar” even though I really know better (but, as the saying goes, the “film doesn’t lie” nor does the fact that it is in print for all to see!)- just goes to show that even we “other than Tech” fans are not necessarily too bright on occasion - Mea Culpa!!!!!
By Jim Rome
February 4, 2009 4:47 PM | Link to this
That high school offense ran all over the Dawgs and it was not a fluke.
By Mike T.
February 5, 2009 10:10 PM | Link to this
NOV 28 THE FLUKE WILL BE AVENGED 2008 WILL BE A MERE HICCUP IN THE SERIES GO DAWGS.
By wreckmaniac
February 6, 2009 9:52 AM | Link to this
Ken: Don’t waste your time relating facts to the Dawg crowd. They don’t buy it. The UGA rule #1 is win on recruiting day. What happens during the season is irrelevant. Richt knows this. Just give me a #1 rrecruiting class and a 9-4 season and they’ll keep me here until I get the call from Miami
By wreckmaniac
February 6, 2009 9:55 AM | Link to this
Yellowblood: Does anyone care ?
By Mike T.
February 8, 2009 5:52 PM | Link to this
Just give me a #1 rrecruiting class and a 9-4 season and they’ll keep me here until I get the call from Miami
Oh now its Miami, it used to Florid State, I guess now that we know Jimbo Fisher will be Bowden’s successor, you nerds had to come up with some other lie about where Richt will leave UGA for. Truth is Tech and that classless bunch in Gainesville better wait and see who goes to Notre Dame,after they fire Weiss. Johnson or Urban Crier.