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Film session
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Outside of gamedays, Tuesday was the most interesting day I’ve had on the Tech beat.
CPJ didn’t hold his normal press conference, but the AP’s Charles Odom and I interviewed him in his office.
Here’s what he had to say about how poorly Tech played Saturday:
“We probably played our worst game on Saturday, for whatever reason I don’t know. We had a lot riding on the game, we knew that, and I don’t want to take anything away from North Carolina, but we played horrendous in every facet, from the kicking game to canceling gaps on defense, to offensive execution.
A lot of it was mental stuff, it wasn’t physical…
We didn’t give ourselves a chance. Having said all that, we still could have won the game if we made a couple of plays. We can play better than that. Even though we had a lot of new players, a lot of assignment busts, those kind of things, we still could have won…
I had no idea after the game that it was as bad as it was. When I watched the tape, just from a mental aspect, I knew we’d missed a lot of stuff, but it was pretty bad. I knew we’d missed a lot of reads, but it was worse than I thought.”
Without the time constraints and pressure of a game week, CPJ graciously offered to walk us through the tape of the 28-7 loss.
He said it would be educational for us. That turned out to be an understatement.
He broke down almost every offensive play. It was fascinating.
The first thing that struck me was how widespread the problems were. It wasn’t just a couple players screwing up.
We saw players missing blocks, blocking the wrong guys, blocking with the wrong technique, running the wrong routes, taking the wrong angles, turning the wrong way. Those kinds of things happen every game — especially when you’re starting 16 freshmen and sophomores — but on Saturday it seemed like they were happening on every play.
And still, there were a ton of big plays to be made. That’s the thing that had to drive coaches crazy when they watched the tape.
At least three times CPJ said something to the effect of, That should be a touchdown. The scheme had worked, the opening was there, and then the runner takes a bad angle or a blocker hits the wrong guy. Touchdowns turn into 8-yard gains. Eight-yard gains turn into 2-yard gains.
That’s why I think the off week will benefit the Jackets mentally as much as physically. A lot of guys are playing too many snaps. When you get tired, you get sloppy.
Here’s the flip side to all this: When CPJ gets his own players in here, guys who fit the system, look out. When Tech has enough depth to give players some rest, look out.
One of his last comments before the film session summed it up best.
“We’re awful on offense, for my expectation level,” he said. “I promise you we can be a lot better and we will get a lot better.”
Tech ranks second in the ACC in total offense (358.2 yards per game), but eighth in scoring (22.8 points per game).
How long do you think it will take CPJ to build the kind of offense he wants?




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Comments
By GTguy
November 12, 2008 9:52 AM | Link to this
CPJ, I believe I speak for all TRUE yellow jacket fans (i.e., non-bandwagon riders) when I say, you have our faith and I know that you will help bring ACC titles and BCS Bowl wins back to the flats.
GO JACKETS!!!
By Optimistic
November 12, 2008 9:55 AM | Link to this
I believe we will see improvement in both of the next two games.
I expect to become dominant with the 2010 team.
By wes
November 12, 2008 9:56 AM | Link to this
Losin gour top left tacle and our top cover corner doesn’t help much either.
Oh yeah, we’ve also lost our top defensive tackle (perhaps for the year).
Our #2 WR, Melton, may return.
Nevermind the fact our starting qb has TWO sprained ankles now.
I can’t ever remember Tech having so many injuries.
That HAS got to be at least part of the problem….plugging guys in who haven’t really played all that much.
By Reggie Ball
November 12, 2008 9:59 AM | Link to this
Can’t wait until he gets his own players into school….should be a touchdown on every play. We may even break our scoring record set against Cumberland…..
By fleming
November 12, 2008 10:00 AM | Link to this
I’ve commented on here before about how long it takes to really become proficient in CPJ offense. I’ve seen it before at GSU and I saw it at Navy when he was there. It takes at least a year for anyone no matter how good to truly become proficient and mistake free. It’s a very intricate, complicated scheme. Much more that it looks just watching and as the players play in it long enough to learn all the nuances they just get better and better. 352 yards of offense looks pretty good now but, I’ve seen CPJ offenses average that much in just the running game alone. Sure it was at Div 1AA GSU but keep in mind while running against Div 1AA defenses he was doing it with Div 1AA players and several Div 1 powerhouses found out they couldn’t stop the offense even with it being run with 1AA players.
By GTinNashville
November 12, 2008 10:01 AM | Link to this
Wow, what great insight into this coach. This is who we need, an X’s and O’s guy who is also a good motivator and recruiter.
The recruiting thing is important. We may always be number two in this state, but with this offense we probably won’t be interested in the same players as UGA, and if we can start winning 8-11 games per year, we will definitely compete with UGA for the best defensive players. I like what you said though about when CPJ gets his players in.
Recruiting will also be something to keep an eye on as UT brings in a new coach, and AU may do the same. People say Mark Richt “locked down” the GA borders, but look at all the other D-1 programs in surrounding states (except Florida) and you will see them littered with top players from this state. There are great recruits available to CPJ.
By Tampa Wreck
November 12, 2008 10:01 AM | Link to this
I’d have absolutely loved being in the room to listen to CPJ break down the game tape.. What an education for a die hard football fan.
It’s disheartening that we are still making this many mistakes this late in the season. But then again, it’s nice to know that we have the opportunity to be much much better than we already are on offense.
I think some of the early season success, particularly against what was supposed to be a pretty good Mississippi State defense may have led us to believe that we were further along in implementing this offense than we really are. I’m now thinking we may need another spring practice and all of next fall to get this thing working close to right. And of course, more depth, a healthy offensive line, and a few athletes that are recruited to run this system will also help.
I think we can compete with anyone on our schedule today, but the future is certainly brighter for this team. Congratulations to CPJ, his staff and the team for what they have accomplished this year. I’m looking forward to a great future for GT football.
By Sleeping Giant
November 12, 2008 10:02 AM | Link to this
CPJ’s offense takes a lot of criticism as being based on gimmicks. Yet, he as seven wins already.
This offensive scheme overachieves when players execute it well. USNA is a good example. Make no mistake, the critics will be eating serious crow once Tech gets the execution right and has some depth.
Two more years and Georgia Tech will be where CPJ wants to be..
By Jack G
November 12, 2008 10:02 AM | Link to this
Its not popular to critize CPJ, but his critque of the game can be summed up with one statement. Coaching failure——he didn’t prepare the team for an important game.
More excuses like CG
By Tampa Wreck
November 12, 2008 10:07 AM | Link to this
Hey Larry,
How may coaches have ever offered to take you through a game tape like this? Sounds like CPJ is pretty good with the media. You have to love the fact that the guys tells you exactly what’s on his mind.
If this is routine, I may just have to rethink my career choice. You get paid for this??
By GOFalcons610
November 12, 2008 10:15 AM | Link to this
Jack G……
Has just posted the most idiotic statement on the blogs all year right here folks. Paul Johnson is a great coach, he can’t help it if half of his team is injured/not playing.
FOOL!
By Tampa Wreck
November 12, 2008 10:16 AM | Link to this
Jack G,
Rome wasn’t built in a day, or even 3/4 of a season. I think your expectations are perhaps a little too high.
CG had 7 years to get it right. If we’re still not executing this offense properly after that amount of time with CPJ, I’ll be right with you ready to run him and his staff out of town. Call me an optimist, but I think we’re on the right track.
By GT RIch
November 12, 2008 10:28 AM | Link to this
Everyone needs to keep in mind that all 11 offensive starters for the UNC game will be back for two more years. 8 of the starters on D will be back next year. 2010 is the season to look towards. The 2008 starters will be well seasoned and the depth will have built up. Next year should be good for a 9 win season. 2010 could be very interesting…
By Jack this G
November 12, 2008 10:28 AM | Link to this
jack G- you sir, are a complete idiot. To even use Paul Johnson in the same breath as Chan Gailey is moronic at best. And by the way, I believe Coach Johnson is pretty quick to take the blame for not preparing his players after a loss. Go back to whatever hole you crawled out of and avoid making comments on a sport you clearly know nothing about.
By GT FAN PA
November 12, 2008 10:32 AM | Link to this
I will say this-Compared to where Tech was in the Spring game to where they are now- Complete difference. So I would have to think 1 year under the belt for these guys we will see a bigger difference. I like the fact that CPJ is a in your face coach who will hold the kids accountable. People keep wanting to point the finger- To stress again- 1st year coach-1st year system for most of these kids-I think over the next couple of years we will see these kids begin to pick it up-Go back and watch his tapes at Navy or GSU-Tech has not shown anything to what this offense is capable of. The spring Tech begin to crawl, now Teck is trying to walk-when they start running Look out this will be a great and fun offense to watch! I think Tech is very capable of winning 8-10 games every year with this offense. GO Jackets-and THWG!!!
By GT FAN PA
November 12, 2008 10:40 AM | Link to this
Jack G-
This is not the first Negative comment you have made about TECH-Yes true TECH fans do get Frustated at watching the team when the team does not execute, but I think alot of the True TECH fans are optimistic about what CPJ brings to the flats-to be honest with you Saturday’s game I felt we had a chance everytime we got the ball, even as bad as they looked at times-Where I could not say that in the past 3 or 4 years. I have to agree with other posts here if we see the same thing in 4 or 5 years then yes, I will then say CPJ’s offense will not work-But his track record says different! THWG!!!
By Brian
November 12, 2008 10:42 AM | Link to this
I could not be more thrilled with Coach Johnson at the helm.
By Glenn
November 12, 2008 10:44 AM | Link to this
It’s amazing to me that Coach Johnson found all of these problems and the team STILL had 326 yards rushing and 423 total yards of offense against North Carolina.
This is with all of the injuries, one of the youngest teams in the Country, and a brand new offense…
I can’t wait until he gets these “kinks” worked out!!!
By Matt
November 12, 2008 10:45 AM | Link to this
Guys, I see where Jack G is coming from. And to some degree, I agree with him. It is the coach’s job to make sure the players know where to go and what to do. However, I watched almost all of spring practice and what little fall practice I could, and I know that the coaches have told, and almost certainly continue to tell, the players where to go and what to do.
That’s why going to a bowl game is such a big deal - it allows the team almost 3 weeks of extra practice.
Here’s hoping the guys heal up fast. We’re going to need them for Miami.
By hem o'roid
November 12, 2008 10:50 AM | Link to this
Jack g is a dingleberry in the truest sense of the word. not worth wasting any more time on. Go coach Johnson, you’re definitely what GT needs in both a person as well as coach. True fans will cover your backside! THWG
By Jack G
November 12, 2008 10:51 AM | Link to this
Come on folks—-grow up. You can disagree without being disagreable. Different viewpoints is what makes a blog interesting. Being disagreable just shows that yo momma didnt do a good job of raising you.
By Bryan
November 12, 2008 10:58 AM | Link to this
I believe our expectations have been too high all along. I hope we can win 1 of our next 2 games, but noone expected GT to win 7 games total let alone with 2-3 games left. We need to continue to be supportive and learn that this is still alot better than the Bill Lewis era (1-10) and the Gailey era where half way through the season it would cause you to start looking to basketball, baseball or even golf. CPJ has added some excitement and expectations that we haven’t seen since Bobby Ross.
We need to continue to support CPJ as he seems to be the first coach in quite a while that doesn’t accept losing, no matter who he is playing. UGA BEWARE! GT will not be a pushover as it was in the Gailey era.
By Geori
November 12, 2008 11:10 AM | Link to this
I’m just glad we got this awful performance out of the way now, and can play better against UGA. We need to put out a MSU game kind of effort against them.
By CW
November 12, 2008 11:11 AM | Link to this
Guys, lay off the name calling. I’ll bet most of you aren’t 12, so perhaps you should stop acting like it.
I don’t agree with Jack G. any more than the rest of you, but at least respect the guy’s opinion.
What I like about Coach Johnson are his extremely high expectations and his complete refusal to BS the media, fans, his players etc.
Jack G. is 100% correct that ultimately wins and losses all point back to Coach Johnson. His job is to recruit talented student-athletes, and put them in position to win games when they reach their athletic potential.
I just think that most of us aren’t ready to hold some of this year’s losses against a coach that has worked and continues to work to rebuild an entire football program towards a different mindset and different schemes.
By Jim Jones
November 12, 2008 11:16 AM | Link to this
Keep drinking the Kool Aid…..
By RAMBLE ON!!!
November 12, 2008 11:21 AM | Link to this
That’s why CPJ IS A BAAAAAAAAAADDDDDD MAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
…and the mutt landers are scared to death. At least the ones that know something about football.
Anyone bashing CPJ that claims to be a GT fan is a fool.
By goldarchie77
November 12, 2008 11:21 AM | Link to this
The only thing wrong with Tech and all of college football (the greatest American sport) is McFans. They want it their way and under 30 seconds. We have to try to ignore their ignorance. Thank God Tech has fewer than most, Go Golden Helmets, Go, Go, Go!
By Larry Hartstein
November 12, 2008 11:26 AM | Link to this
Tampa Wreck — Watched film before but not too often. It’s always enlightening, but this was particularly helpful b/c the offense is so different. I only wish I could have seen a game with a healthy Andrew Gardner so I could see what a lineman is supposed to be doing.
Jack G — Just for the record, when the Jackets don’t play well (Gardner-Webb, UNC), CPJ takes the blame. He’d be the first to say coaches didn’t do a good job getting the team ready. There were times during the game tape where he said something to the effect of, we shouldn’t be running this play that way, we will fix that this week.
By Steve
November 12, 2008 11:27 AM | Link to this
We all got excited about this year with the great start. The thing that you can already see is that this team will overachieve under CPJ, not the opposite. This team will be a consistent winner next year and every year after that.
By Observer
November 12, 2008 11:29 AM | Link to this
Jack G - I fear your earlier post will incur the wrath m. Thank God and Greyhound he hasn’t posted so far.
By mtraininjax
November 12, 2008 11:35 AM | Link to this
Larry,
It must have been awe-inspiring to be that close to a guy who can read a play and know where each person is supposed to go and what happened in execution. Thanks for the insight, we don’t normally get this depth, and thanks to Coach Johnson for allowing you to relay this to us!
By Brewer
November 12, 2008 11:44 AM | Link to this
I’ve been saying it all season… Watch the games carefully and you’ll see a ton of plays that should have been huge but they fizzled out because of horrible blocking. Honestly, I’m a little bit disappointed with the apparent lack of progress when it comes to blocking, but I understand that CPJ is working with a very young team that must overcome a steep learning curve. It was interesting to hear that the reads and routes are incorrect. That’s something you really cannot tell for sure just watching the game. Blown blocks stick out.
I think CPJ will be much closer to what he wants next season. The team will be a year older, they will have the offense down, and the only part of the team that should take a hit is the d-line. Also, Anthony Allen will be in the backfield. If everyone stays healthy (and out of trouble) and continues to make progress through next season, 2010 may be interesting indeed…
By TechStudentFan
November 12, 2008 11:44 AM | Link to this
Oh-ho. UNC is going to feel the wrath of CPJ next year. Up 28-7 with 4 minutes in the game and still passing the ball. Let me put it this way. You know when UGAg celebrated in the endzone against Florida last year and the got their @sses handed to them this year? Yeah, it’ll be like that.
By TDone
November 12, 2008 11:50 AM | Link to this
To Jack G,
Get a life. We are 7-3 and were all games during the 4th quarter.
You could do no better.
You must be a Muttlander.
By Brewer
November 12, 2008 11:55 AM | Link to this
Larry I only wish I could have seen a game with a healthy Andrew Gardner so I could see what a lineman is supposed to be doing.
Amen.
By snapshot
November 12, 2008 12:06 PM | Link to this
Give the coach credit for taking the blame on losses. He is just what the doctor ordered for Georgia Tech. You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make it drink. These are very young football players that will make mistakes. It WILL be corrected over time.
By The truth
November 12, 2008 12:20 PM | Link to this
The Truth.
You all think CPJ is the greatest thing since Slice Bread. He has been out coached in three Games (VT, VA, and NC). He has made no adjustments in those games. He is so caught up in HIS SYSTEM. His system does not play to the athletes strengths that can make a difference in close games. Do you believe Georgia tech will ever get the athlete of the caliber of Josh Nesbit, Morgan Burnett or Jonathan Dwyer again? You have a RB with the talent of a Jonathan Dwyer and you keep running him up the middle with dive plays with a mediocre offensive line. When all you have to do is give him the ball in space. CPJ is so caught up in His System that there is no other possibility, no other OPTION. Or is that all he knows is his system. CPJ has to be more creative to be consistently successful at this level. He will be able to beat the average team but not the elite team. He will never be able to get the NFL type Oline players of the caliber of VT, VA, BC, etc.
By gcsufan69
November 12, 2008 12:20 PM | Link to this
man I love CPJ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
By Tech75
November 12, 2008 12:26 PM | Link to this
We were told by those that have been through this before to have patience.
This is an offense that depends on crisp execution, and excellent split-second decision-making, and not just on the QB’s part… from Larry’s comments, obviously there is a lot of decision-making required in the blocking schemes as well - which probably also require split-second timing.
This is an offense where every player has to have a certain threshold of reps so that these decisions are automatic, and for the execution to be crisp - and that’s a function of time and opportunity - and that’s the only way to achieve the level of perfection CPJ is shooting for.
To expect anything more at this point is to just be unrealistic; however, while I imagine that CPJ does not expect perfection at this point, apparently this particular game was not our best effort execution-wise.
The good news is that, even operating at about 50% efficiency (or whatever the right number is), with a couple of plays played correctly we could have won that game.
I can’t wait until we have some quality depth and have gotten enough reps in game situations to see this offense really hum.
Also, recognize (as many have mentioned) that many players do not really become productive until their Jr. seasons; there is a tremendous amoutn of upside on the field right now!
The 2010 season can’t come fast enough for me… and the 2009 season shouldn’t be too shabby either!
By CPJ for Prez
November 12, 2008 12:30 PM | Link to this
I would’ve paid a lot of money to have been in that room with you Larry. CPJ is the truth.
By SlimG
November 12, 2008 12:56 PM | Link to this
Jack, good to hear from you again. Good points! Everyone, football is a physical sport that gets players injured everywhere. Look at the Dawgs, how many interior lineman have they lost. It’s part of the game every year, you just can hope to minimize the effect with depth.
CPJs offense will always get the QB killed. This won’t work in big time football. How many pro teams run this garbage? None.
Hey Larry, have you ever played a down of football? Didn’t think so or you would have seen a film session before, geeees, what a joke.
Why don’t you ask the tough questions? How could anyone possible think we could have won that game? No ability to throw the football, did you see the game, we were down 21-0, at what point could we have won? Keep kissing and maybe Paulette will ask you out on a date.
Oh and the thing about playing young kids, last time I checked this is collegiate football, all the kids are young amateurs.
By RAMBLE ON!!!
November 12, 2008 1:09 PM | Link to this
SlimG is a mutt, fool, or both
By SlimG
November 12, 2008 1:17 PM | Link to this
Can we please stop with the THWG. It makes us look like losers. Why hate? Jesus would not approve.
By SlimG
November 12, 2008 1:18 PM | Link to this
R.O. where did you play ball at? Thought so.
By RAMBLE ON!!!
November 12, 2008 1:30 PM | Link to this
SlimG, I know a real leader/coach when I see one.
G stands for Gailey? Maybe you are Chan, but you ain’t Slim.
Where you have played and/or coached at that’s at a higher level than GSU or Navy? Thought so.
…one last thing, THWG!!!
By Wrecker1
November 12, 2008 1:33 PM | Link to this
I have to agree with that thimble-brain The Truth. I mean surely there has to be another offense where Dwyer would have more 20+ yard TD’s, along with 36, 43, 66, 85, and 88 yard TD runs. There has to be another offense where either Nesbitt or Dwyer are going to get the ball 70% of the time. Surely on defense we can put Burnett in better position to make more tackles and get more interceptions. The Truth you are completely clueless. Sure we could put Dwyer in the I and have our line responsible for blocking EVERYBODY as opposed to now where the D has to decide and play resonsibility football. For you people that say it’s poor coaching, you either haven’t played and definatley haven’t coached. You can drill and drill but when those lights go on people (kids) make mental mistakes. That’s why things like play action work b/c a corner or safety or LB hesitated for just a split second. When Coach Johnson is wrong he’ll tell you. When he doesn’t have his team prepared he tell you (GW). Certainly if poor preperation occurs too often there’s a problem at the top but right now we’re throwing 20-25 freshmen and sophmores out there every game and some are just trying to keep their head above water.
By BuzzFactor
November 12, 2008 1:34 PM | Link to this
UNC was a reality check. But we are on the way to big things. We have been in every game this season. Yeah we’ve lost 3, but we expected that from the start. Lets prepare for Miami and get to 8 wins.
By Ramblin Wreck
November 12, 2008 1:40 PM | Link to this
To all those people who say that CPJ system doesn’t work and is garbage. Go look at the stats and then open your mouth. Your so caught up on bashing a new coach who doesn’t fit YOUR type of offense. CPJ has done a tremendous job with the players he’s had this year. Given the time he’s had to work with these players, I’m very excited about next season. I’m VERY proud of all our players regardless of our record. CPJ system won’t get the QB killed cause the QB doesn’t have to run with the ball all the time, people its called an option offense for a reason. Yes, Nesbitt has been injured this season, but thats only cause our O-line is young and has missed a lot of block assignments. Nesbitt also likes to fight for yardage. Once CPJ has more time to teach the system, I trust that we’ll see some more creative plays and more offensive weapons being used.
By Melinda
November 12, 2008 1:40 PM | Link to this
Slim G,
I believe that GT attempted 20 passes in this game. More than they have any other game. If the team can’t execute blocks for the run, they can’t execute blocks for the pass, which require more time.
More teams run the spread in college football and you don’t see that run in the pros. A pro-style offense didn’t get Tech to the next level. It is too complicated for college athletes to learn in the short time they are in school.
Tim Tebow will not be drafted as an NFL quarterback. Charlie Ward wasn’t drafted. Neither were NFL style QBs. But they both have national championship rings.
Larry, I’m curious to know if you observed what adjustments were made during the game. I’m sure adjustments were made, but wonder if it was a matter of executing the adjustments or not making the correct adjustment.
By James
November 12, 2008 1:41 PM | Link to this
2nd in the ACC in total offense and Paul Johnson says that it’s not good enough in total offense. Sure fire sign that this guy is for real.
By bt
November 12, 2008 1:42 PM | Link to this
Screw 2009 and 2010, we can win 10 games this year! Let’s go 10-3 and build from there.
By Big G
November 12, 2008 1:46 PM | Link to this
Truth:
Tell me the “Truth” about Paul Johnson’s offense. I doubt that you fully understand it or you wouldn’t be here posting; you’d be coaching some pop warner team.
No, we don’t think Paul Johnson is the greatest thing since sliced bread. We realize that we finally have a “football” coach that will compete every Saturday and beat uga at least 50% of the time.
By Jack G
November 12, 2008 1:53 PM | Link to this
Its nice that there are several of you know football and recognise this system for what it is. I keep hearing wait till CPJ get his own recruits. Wait till they learn the system. Wait Wait Wait. The one good thing I can say about CG is that he left some good players for CPJ.
Also hear 7 and 3—-Lets take a close look at that 7—Jax and GW dont count—so that leaves 5. 4 of those were lucky wins. That leaves one. Miss State game. That game they flat out won. SlimG is right on about the QB this system is murder on the QB. The QB is not the only position that incurs injuries—-look at the rest of the injuries.
CPJ played high school football at a very small rural school. The triple option was the system of choice,—-CPJ did not play college football. He returned after college and became the Asst. coach—-went on to coach at lower level college teams and taught the triple option there. It worked because the coaches and players are not top notch, CPJ then moved on to Navy with his triple option and was successful because Navy plays a very weak schedule. CPJ is now coaching in the bigs and his system will continue to work against the weaker teams, But the better teams will alwys take him to the woodshed and we will continue to hear missed blocks poor reads and injuries. I think CPJ is a good coach and I like his approach to coaching, I just think his system is flawed and I’m not sure he knows how to coach a different system
By SlimG
November 12, 2008 1:56 PM | Link to this
That’s what I thought R.O., Hey Melinda, we threw it that much because we were down by three touchdowns. Unbelievable, are we Cub fans, wait until next year??
Butch Davis broke the wishbone, remember. This system is great if we play high school teams who can’t score. We are lucky our defense is average and doesn’t give up a lot of points. What happens next year when our studs on the Dline are gone? What happens when we make a few mistakes and get down a couple of scores? Well, anyone who knows ball saw the outcome up in Chapel Hill.
This team reminds me of the Falcons when MV7 was still a free man.
By Yanni
November 12, 2008 1:56 PM | Link to this
SlimG - congrats on playing ball. I believe you may be the only person on earth that has ever done so.
That said, maybe you should have done something else with your life. Don’t you have anything better to do than come on opposing message boards and trash people for being what you believe to be ignorant?
Have fun not playing ball for the rest of your life.
By ugahatr
November 12, 2008 1:56 PM | Link to this
Slim, I guesse the spread offense UF runs will not work for big time college football either. I mean how many pro teams run the spread.Yes they were doen 21-0 in the fourth but it was only 7-0 until the fumbled punt going onto the 4th. What everyone must realize is that if look back at the games that Navy played under CPJ, he has not ran alot of the plays that this offense is capable of. It is simply do to youth. It will take some time. As for this loss being his fault. The kids have to make the plays. I believe that in the 1st half Tech was inside of the UNC 40 on 4 occasions and came up with no points. The players have to make the plays.
By DMac
November 12, 2008 1:58 PM | Link to this
Ga Tech is so much better off right now. In one year they have done more than the last 4-6 years. When they get more players that fit this scheme. Look out Bulldogs….
By Tailor
November 12, 2008 2:01 PM | Link to this
Jack G - was Florida State not a more talented team than GT that had been allowing only 87 yds/game before they came to Atlanta?
Lucky? Lucky still counts bud. Was UGA lucky this weekend against Kentucky? Every team needs luck to win, at least sometimes.
You are right, opposing points of view are healthy on a message board discussion. However, I fear that you may be a negative person in more ways than your passion or hate for GT football.
By RAMBLE ON!!!
November 12, 2008 2:20 PM | Link to this
I’m still waiting SlimG. You played or coach at what program higher than Navy or GSU?
Thought so
By Jack G
November 12, 2008 2:29 PM | Link to this
Tailor
FSU was a lucky win. Fumble at the Tech goal line.
Tech outplayed FSU in the 1st half, but FSU was coming back strong in the 2nd half and lost on a lucky break for Tech.
My critique of CPJ’s system was not intended to be negative, but factual as i see it. If I am wrong, CPJ will make me eat crow. I hope he does—-I wonder if i will need lots of salt and pepper.
By fleming
November 12, 2008 2:37 PM | Link to this
Keep hearing about the players being players recruited by Gailey as reason Tech is 7-3. Ever think that that may be part of the problem? Players are recruited to fit a system and CPJ had half of a recruiting season to recruit his players a lot of which are playing now as true freshmen. Otherwise he had to use Gailey’s recruits that were recruited for a totally different offense. Ever thought that if CPJ could win with players unsuitable for his system then it’s just possible he can win even bigger with his players.
By Observer
November 12, 2008 2:40 PM | Link to this
Ramble On, I’m with you. I would love for some of these idiots (UGA fans like Jack and Slim) to state what programs they coached at. Clearly, they are all experts who know a lot more than CPJ. How is it possible that all of these experts escaped our search committee when we were looking for a coach. Amazing!
By Melinda
November 12, 2008 2:41 PM | Link to this
I’m curious as to why you think this “system” won’t work. FSU’s defense is fast (usually the number one reason cited as to why it won’t work) and they gave up 31 points and a ton of yards.
It really is a “spread” offense in the sense that the ball is distributed to a variety of players… it’s just done through the run instead of the pass. If Gailey could have done a better job with all the talent he left Coach Johnson, why didn’t he?
The notion that Butch Davis “broke” the wishbone is a bit misleading. Miami’s defense stopped virtually EVERY offense it faced in the late 80’s and early 90’s. They gave up 9.6 points per game. Do you know the one team that beat them? Notre Dame, 31-30. Do you know what offense Notre Dame was running? Plus, more offenses ran the “wishbone” in the 80’s, so over the course of the season, they had much more opportunity to practice against it than teams will today.
By RAMBLE ON!!!
November 12, 2008 2:48 PM | Link to this
Jack G, fumbles no matter where or when they are at, are part of the game.
That’s not luck, it was a good hit at the right time.
If fumbles are luck, then VT, UVA, and UNC got very, very, very lucky.
By fred
November 12, 2008 2:59 PM | Link to this
In business terms Tech football is a “complete turn-around”…vision, plan,organization, staffing, direction, motivation and control. Usually requires five-ten years to transform a company, but an athletic program….maybe 3-5 years. What we are seeing at Tech is amazing. We are realizing “leaps” in certain areas—motivation,organization,dedication and “fire-in-the-belly” unseen in years (and 100% absent in MANY programs). We will see very rapid progress in other areas (next year+2-3 years).
Paul Johnson is not just a Coach—he’s a leader!!!
Man, I’m glad you’re at the Tech helm!!!
THWG!
By WTF???
November 12, 2008 3:00 PM | Link to this
ROFL!!!!!
You guys crack me up man!
By SlimG
November 12, 2008 3:02 PM | Link to this
Yanni, I bet you work for one of my businesses, what’s your SS#, have human resources outsource your job.
R.O. what sports did you play again? Lab doesn’t count.
This is the same season Gailey would have had, and he had to go. Take Jacks point of the times we were outcoached. A running play on 3rd and 7? How many points have we scored on average? Not enough to beat high caliber teams. We would have been shutout if not for an 85 yard cosmetic touchdown against NC second team.
By Big Stinger
November 12, 2008 3:08 PM | Link to this
Great blog Larry, don’t we all wish we had an opportunity like that!
Great info, thanks for sharing….
By WTF???
November 12, 2008 3:08 PM | Link to this
Fred -
I would probably equate it more to starting a Fortune 500 Company in Guatemala or something… Easy to succeed when you don’t have much competition.
Tech = Fortune 500 Company Guatemala = ACC
By WTF???
November 12, 2008 3:09 PM | Link to this
Melinda, What are you doing later darling?
By gtforever
November 12, 2008 3:14 PM | Link to this
I do believe we have a Coach that knows what the heck he is doing…. I’m not all that excited about this offense either,but I do respect a Coach who has been there and has been successful! I believe we have ONE of the best backs in the country, and yes I would like to see him get out in space more often, but you really can’t argue with Dwyer’s numbers at this point, or the system that got him to this point. The bottom line is RECRUITING. I personally think that we will lose some top recruits because of this system. We will be recruiting the same players that UGA, UF, AU, and all the other major D1 schools in this area recruit. If we want to win and compete, then we must win the recruiting battle first. If we don’t we will be mediocre and play in Boise every year.:)
By GT76
November 12, 2008 3:17 PM | Link to this
Coach Johnson obviously strives for perfection. When he falls short he publicly has taken the blame (Gardner-Webb in particular). You rarely read about other coaches stating such goals on every play. Georgia Tech is a place where that mentality can become reality. Tech people understand what perfect is and what perfect practice is.
Commenting about next year is OK but we need to really get behind the team next week. We beat Miami, and I think we will, and this will turn out to be a special season.
By Robert
November 12, 2008 3:21 PM | Link to this
Why not ditch the system. Why not do what Texas Tech is doing. Why not copy their plays. Why does not EVERY college team copy their playbook. They are NOT complicated. They simply run the same 20 plays over and over. And IT DOES NOT MATTER IF A QUARTERBACK GETS INJURED. THEY JUST PLUG IN THE SECOND STRING QB. When will all colleges wise up and realize whatever Texas Tech is doing, it works!And it works better than anything else. Everyone should use that system, it is proven to be a better system than anything else. Don’t take a simple thing and make it complicated!
What am I missing here?
By BE#3
November 12, 2008 3:22 PM | Link to this
” pro-style offense didn’t get Tech to the next level. It is too complicated for college athletes to learn in the short time they are in school.”
Melinda — Is that why UGA leads the SEC in total offense and is 22 nationally in total offense? Is that why Stafford (as a JR) is considered the top draft eligible QB? Tell Pete Carroll at USC that college kids can’t handle a pro-style offense. Tech couldn’t make Chan’s offense work b/c you had idiots like Reggie Ball who couldn’t even count to 4. Just think what Calvin Johnson’s #’s would have looked like had he been receiving the ball from Shock and Stafford.
By RAMBLE ON!!!
November 12, 2008 3:22 PM | Link to this
Thanks Observer, you’re right. Like they have some kind of football resume…still waiting SlimGailey.
They demand to see ours, but for the third time now, they won’t show theirs.
Time to implement “arguing with fools makes you a bigger one” so, I’m done with those, umm-fleabags.
By CarolinaJacket
November 12, 2008 3:24 PM | Link to this
Good point Ramble, if the FSU fumble was luck then the UNC fumble was luck. Take away that play and the whole game changes tremendously. The offense is playing with a depleted oline and a running qb with two sprained ankles, and still rack up 423 total yards. The defensive backfield was missing its most experienced cb (plus one who is off the team and was considered the best of all), and still had the game at 7-0 through three quarters and then a bunch of turnovers, that had nothing to do with the offensive that was being run. Let’s see if Coach Johnson can recruit some top rated players and see how his system works.
By Jack G
November 12, 2008 3:41 PM | Link to this
You can see what you want to see, but
By RAMBLE ON!!!
November 12, 2008 3:44 PM | Link to this
CarolinaJacket did you go to the game?
It was HOT out there, way over-dressed for that one.
By pooper scooper
November 12, 2008 3:54 PM | Link to this
You tech fans need to poop in one hand and wish in the other one and see which one fills up first.
By SlimG
November 12, 2008 3:55 PM | Link to this
Doesn’t take a Chem. E. degree to know football. Why does our QB have hurt ankles? Runs way too much. Why does the score read 21-0? Offense has no passing game. Why is everyone blaming the offensive line? The defense knows what we are about to do. Why is the coaching not in question? Tech supporters are blind until everyone starts complaining and then we get on the bandwagon.
Let’s get real. Way too much talent on this team to lose homecoming. Coaching not questioned? Every year is different and should start with one goal. Winning the NC.
By Melinda
November 12, 2008 3:59 PM | Link to this
You make a good point BE#3 about the Pro-style. The non-pro-style spread still beat their pants off a few Saturdays ago. I think the point I really want to make is that it isn’t really the system, but the coach implementing it that makes the difference.
For example, Gailey’s pro-style approach to coaching made GT a good, but not great team. Callahan couldn’t get it done at Nebraska. Weis is getting some heat at Notre Dame. Urban Meyer’s approach to coaching (with a college, not pro-style system) has made Florida great.
I think good coaches win those “luck” games. What Coach Johnson brings to the table is much, much more than a system. And I think he will make changes if they are needed. He is a competitor and he wants to win. He’s not going to go down with a sinking ship just to prove a point.
If your offensive line is having problems blocking, you are going to struggle no matter what offense you run. No pun intended.
By Yanni
November 12, 2008 4:03 PM | Link to this
Looks like I hit a nerve with the genius who apparently both owns multiple businesses, played “ball,” coached “ball,” and is now apparently an anti-american threatening to outsource jobs.
Get a life bud. I went to Tech, and am doing fine for myself. You are the only one ignorant enough to think you are better and more knowledgable than everyone else on the board.
By BLOG
November 12, 2008 4:06 PM | Link to this
Can GT run the texas tech offence, it has to be the most exciting thing in college football. It will also bring in great talent.
By WTF???
November 12, 2008 4:06 PM | Link to this
Melinda, you are way football smart to be a woman.
Do you want to get married? =P
By RAMBLE ON!!!
November 12, 2008 4:10 PM | Link to this
SlimG:
1:18 “R.O. where did you play ball at? Thought so”
3:02 “R.O. what sports did you play again? Lab doesn’t count.”
3:55 “Doesn’t take a Chem. E. degree to know football”
…well alrighty then.
By StingerSplash
November 12, 2008 4:15 PM | Link to this
How long will it take for PJ to get his offense in? How about a week from Thursday night?
By WTF???
November 12, 2008 4:20 PM | Link to this
Yanni - This douche bag was on the UGA blogs last week. He’s a pole smoker dude, only time he ever stepped onto turf was at halftime with the tuba strapped up.
By m
November 12, 2008 4:23 PM | Link to this
Man CPJ gives me a huge chubby…
By SlimG
November 12, 2008 4:24 PM | Link to this
You guys are just hating because I’m smarter than you!!!! I’m rich and know everything about football. You work for me… I’m the MAN
By SlimG
November 12, 2008 4:25 PM | Link to this
Thanks for the props Yanni. still outsourcing your job. Fine is code for living paycheck to paycheck. you voted for Obama didn’t you?
Fun times on this blog. Better go make a deposit so your next check doesn’t bounce. Made good money off this bailout package. Keep up the good work. Or you’re fired! Just want you folks to get real if you even know what reality is at this point. You listen to Larry toot CPJs horn and it’s just not right. Get it right!HaHa.
By SlimG
November 12, 2008 4:32 PM | Link to this
Thank You! Thank You very much! Greatest form of flattery. Go Jackets!
By ramblin gamblin
November 12, 2008 4:39 PM | Link to this
Having read a report on school by school college football revenue, Tech fans are getting a much better ROI than most schools. Tech, because of the type school it is will never draw like TN,GA,Clemson and many others, but considering the large sums these other schools take in, they’re are not getting much in the win-loss column for the $ they’re spending. Clemson and South Carolina are prime examples. UGA’s football revenue is monstrous compared to Tech’s. Large stadiums and large donors don’t always win national championships. How much money have UGA fans poured into the Bulldog program since their last NC? How often do they win the SEC? They might as well give half their football revenue to charity, you know, “spread the wealth”, where have I heard that lately?
By SlimG
November 12, 2008 5:02 PM | Link to this
I’ll check back when you guys finish your commute back to Alpharetta.
By HLM
November 12, 2008 5:14 PM | Link to this
The Navy quarterback said”It took him almost year to learn all the little thing about the offense”. He fly jets for USN. It will take two good years for the offense player to learn. He needs to start red shirting players. Let them learn in practice to cut out the mistakes. Wake Forest ,Jim Grobe it took him three years to make it to a nice bowl game. Yellow Jacket fan give the players and the coaches a chance to work into a great team.
By Reggie Ball
November 12, 2008 5:21 PM | Link to this
Who said I could not count to four? I went to Tech didn’t I? Take that!! Melinda, grab your ankles.
By okeefe59
November 12, 2008 7:22 PM | Link to this
CPJ is definitely the answer. We still have not seen all of his offense and we have yet to see it run with offensive linemen who are suited for this offense and whio have been coached over the long haul to play it.I haven’t given up ,in fact I am just getting started. We’ve seen more exciting in the first half season than we see in 2or 3 years.Cpj is the real deal and it will only take a couple seasons to prove it. 7-3—-none of us would have predicted this.Keeping chuggin coach this is one jacket you can count on.
By not scared
November 12, 2008 8:03 PM | Link to this
Jack G….have a good nap today?
I’m betting your favorite QB at Tech was Billy L….correct?
Here’s hoping that Tech will finally have a zero give away game and whip Mia and you indeed eat crow…like the man of your word your are.
By Jack G
November 12, 2008 9:02 PM | Link to this
not scared
Yes I did thank you for asking
By Jack G
November 12, 2008 9:04 PM | Link to this
not scared
Billy L. wasnt bad. always wonder how good he would have been with 2 kidneys
By Jack G
November 12, 2008 9:48 PM | Link to this
not scared
Won a buck off Guy Sharp betting that Billy L would be the starting QB for the Falcons. Took me 2 years to collect
By BE#3
November 12, 2008 9:48 PM | Link to this
Melinda,
Very good assessment of CPJ. Ya’ll have hired a very good coach. Give him time to fully implement his offense and recruit his players and ya’ll will be successful.
And the coach must have “his” players in “his” system. Too many times NFL coaches come into college and know nothing about recruiting and running a college program. And with boosters running things behind the scenes, coaches do not have much time to do anything but win and win immediately. Some NFL coaches will never win at the college level and vice versa (Steve Spurrier).
The option has been around for years and CPJ does it better than anyone. The spread is still relatively new and it is only a matter of time before teams are able to stop it on a consistent basis. It’s really not that hard to stop the spread in theory. You spy the QB with an athletic, disciplined Mike backer and have plenty of sure tackling, speedy players on defense. You also need some pressure in the middle of your D line and your DE’s to close down the pocket. Georgia did a great job of that last season but failed a few weeks ago.
Bottom line — CPJ will have Tech competing for ACC Championships on a regular basis if given time.
By TechCrybaby
November 12, 2008 10:14 PM | Link to this
Sleeping Giant, you said a very wholesome and correct thing: Tech will be super once Paul Johnson can recruit some depth. We’ve got to be three-deep at quarterback, and I’m convinced the coach is going to make that a priority.
Another thing: people have been antsy about the lack of a lot of passing. Well, Coach Johnson has honestly explained that the offensive line is deficient in protecting the passer. Mark my words, the air attack has simply not been installed yet, but it will come. With proper personnel, passing is part of Johnson’s system. He’s just a great coach, with a keen understanding of the game.
By casey
November 12, 2008 10:33 PM | Link to this
Jack G, Navy fans will take CPJ back in a New York minute. Open your mouth and insert your foot.
By GT 90
November 12, 2008 10:45 PM | Link to this
Amen TechCrybaby! That article about the lack of passing goes back to the core of the problem. A young and inexperienced o-line w/ tons of injuries and still learning their new blocking techniques. We will get better. If you run CPJ out of town, we may as well dismantle Tech football and close down the stadium b/c no one will want to coach a bunch of band wagon fans. GIVE THE MAN TIME!!
By ACC Stinks
November 12, 2008 11:22 PM | Link to this
volman,
Where are you? Down at the Varsity reminiscing about grandpappy’s 1952 NC? LMAO…come on back for a little more punishment. It sure was fun kicking your a* around on this blog…..we’ve got a Hardee’s surprise just for you.
By yellowblood
November 13, 2008 7:11 AM | Link to this
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By Seriously
November 13, 2008 8:36 AM | Link to this
Yellowblood- you really made a website? You need a life buddy. Thats beyond pathetic that you made a website about tickle piles. You are a bigger loser than any tech nerd on here man. I would be embarassed if i were you.
By CBJ
November 14, 2008 8:58 AM | Link to this
7 and 3, with a solid chance to have won the 3 losses. Who would have believed this at the end of the spring game? Coach is a true leader, telling the truth about each play of each gae. He is a teacher, the boys are learning from their mistakes. I felt we would be fortunate to win 7 games this year. We could, with a little better execution, fewer mental mistakes (2 per game), a a little better injury situation be a 9-0 team, top 7 and BCS bound. I have never in my 59 years been more excited about the long term futue of Tech football.
By yellowblood
November 14, 2008 9:00 AM | Link to this
Seriously,
You are the one who needs to get a life. That website has been around for years. By the way, I am a Tech grad and not a nerd at all. I just happen to enjoy Tickle Piles.
By yellowblood
November 14, 2008 9:01 AM | Link to this
Seriously,
You are the one who needs to get a life. That website has been around for years. By the way, I am a Tech grad and not a nerd at all. I just happen to enjoy Tickle Piles.