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By Confused?

July 8, 2008 11:36 AM | Link to this

Why does The AJC give more hype and coverage to a dead dog rather than human being who’s passed away?

By AGTfan

July 8, 2008 11:40 AM | Link to this

I’m sure I was pulling for them then, but I was still in the womb. :-)

By CarolinaJacket

July 8, 2008 12:10 PM | Link to this

I was, and that is one of the first things I remember about Tech football and especially that wonderful team. Back in those days the Tech-UGA FRESHMAN football game (Thanksgiving Day) would draw more fans than did most varsity games. Jakie Rudolph and Bobby Morehead were great little backs for the Jackets. It was wonderful when they had those great rivalries, not only with the Dawgs, but also Tenn., Auburn, and, of course, Alabama. Miss those days in the SEC.

By SanDiegoJacket

July 8, 2008 1:51 PM | Link to this

I remember that game and I was only 6 years old. My Dad began taking me to TECH games since I was 5, and I knew then I would go to TECH. We sat in the bend in the west stands into the south end. I still remember my dad would always smoke a cigar at the game and still when I smell cigar smoke, I think of him. He’s been gone since 2001.

I can’t remember how many TECH games I went to but that game and the Mike McNames tackle against Alabama are still in my unerasable memory (DRAM).

My dad loved TECH and although we had many exciting wins, I most remember the heartbreaking losses especially to UGAG.

I got my degree in chemical engineering and my masters in nuclear engineering and my Dad was so so proud. For me, it was simply pre-ordained.

TECH football is probably too important for a man of my age, but that game and those two seasons were memorable especially at that time when the scholarships were so few and far between. On TV they would play the National Anthem and as a 6/7 year old I would stand in front of the TV with my hand over my heart because I believed it would help TECH win, oh what memories.

Thanks for the memories

SanDiegoJacket

By DawginLex

July 8, 2008 2:08 PM | Link to this

1952 ?

Was that the last time Tech beat UGA in football without using a thug, felon or a cheat to do it ??

I’m sorry. I was holding a broomstick and I saw this big pinata hanging down from the tree and…………….

By GeoffDawg

July 8, 2008 2:11 PM | Link to this

Just to clarify (and this is a sincere question), why do you claim a national title in 1952 when the AP and UPI polls named Michigan State as the champs and yet you discount Georgia’s claims of national titles during this period?

By fred

July 8, 2008 2:38 PM | Link to this

Yes, I was then a Tech “fan” and am today that plus being an alumnus (BS, IM ‘59). Sure, Jakie saved the win over ‘Bama and-in the process-was allowed to savor the moment on his back in our endzone—-unconscious. Great school,tough, tough curriculum—-but, “college” isn’t supposed to be a walk-in-the-park (if you so choose, keep your Dawgs on a leash and your problems “makin change” at The Athens Varsity to yourself).

As a freshman at Tech in ‘53 I lucked into the job of running the Grant Field scoreboard (next three years). This, plus being a Technique sports writer, allowed me to REALLY SOAK UP the Dodd Era on the Flats…bowl wins each year,seven consecutive over the Dawgs; Mitchell, Rotenberry,Volkert,Menger, Thompson….et al.

GIVE ‘EM HELL JACKETS!!!

By Spike

July 8, 2008 2:51 PM | Link to this

And you Tech guys say UGA lives in the past!! Sheesh.

By Stork

July 8, 2008 3:25 PM | Link to this

GT’s BOGUS MANAGEMENT PROGRAM

If you’re sick of listening to GT fans talking about their tough academics then go to UGA’s website and Tech’s website. At UGA you can earn “degrees” in a variety of subjects. At Tech you can earn “degrees” in a variety of engineering disciplines. However, if you are in GT’s “Management” program, as most of their athletes are, you’ll notice they can only earn “Certificates”. Big deal. Academics my rear end! Their athletes are no smarter than the rest, except of course, their teams stink. If you don’t believe me, research their website. It’s a sure thing the AJC will never report on this.

By Stork

July 8, 2008 3:25 PM | Link to this

GT’s BOGUS MANAGEMENT PROGRAM

If you’re sick of listening to GT fans talking about their tough academics then go to UGA’s website and Tech’s website. At UGA you can earn “degrees” in a variety of subjects. At Tech you can earn “degrees” in a variety of engineering disciplines. However, if you are in GT’s “Management” program, as most of their athletes are, you’ll notice they can only earn “Certificates”. Big deal. Academics my rear end! Their athletes are no smarter than the rest, except of course, their teams stink. If you don’t believe me, research their website. It’s a sure thing the AJC will never report on this.

By Stork

July 8, 2008 3:25 PM | Link to this

GT’s BOGUS MANAGEMENT PROGRAM

If you’re sick of listening to GT fans talking about their tough academics then go to UGA’s website and Tech’s website. At UGA you can earn “degrees” in a variety of subjects. At Tech you can earn “degrees” in a variety of engineering disciplines. However, if you are in GT’s “Management” program, as most of their athletes are, you’ll notice they can only earn “Certificates”. Big deal. Academics my rear end! Their athletes are no smarter than the rest, except of course, their teams stink. If you don’t believe me, research their website. It’s a sure thing the AJC will never report on this.

By neil marlowe

July 8, 2008 3:37 PM | Link to this

I was a junior in high school in West Point, MS, and a tech fan. My mom and dad and I went to a friends house to watch it on TV. The picture was very snowy, but we could tell most of what was going on.

By UGA Fan

July 8, 2008 3:38 PM | Link to this

I’m a Georgia fan and I agree with the 42,46 and 80 championships. The 68 championship is a joke (Ohio St. and Penn St. went undefeated, and we had two ties and a loss). The 27 championship is only disputed by Tech because we lost to them that year. I’m not sure about Tech’s national championships, but I think they at least went undefeated during the years they claim a national championship.

By Tom

July 8, 2008 3:50 PM | Link to this

from SI…Roy Blount, Jr, on ATL in the 50’s…..

“Football was Georgia Tech . The Yellow Jackets represented virtues that I learned to admire at a formative age. Like Brer Rabbit, they were quick, small, wily, mobile, loose and able somehow to beat meaner, more structured and ponderous teams. They would win in small, droll ways. I was at Grant Field the day little Jakie Rudolph tackled Alabama Running Back Bobby Marlow, about instep high, to save a Tech victory. One second Marlow was soaring, outlined against the sky, and the next second, as it seemed to me, Jakie had snatched him from the horizon by the feet.

By Stork

July 8, 2008 3:50 PM | Link to this

GT’s BOGUS MANAGEMENT PROGRAM

If you’re sick of listening to GT fans talking about their tough academics then go to UGA’s website and Tech’s website. At UGA you can earn “degrees” in a variety of subjects. At Tech you can earn “degrees” in a variety of engineering disciplines. However, if you are in GT’s “Management” program, as most of their athletes are, you’ll notice they can only earn “Certificates”. What a joke. Academics my rear end! Their athletes are no smarter than the rest, except of course, their teams stink. If you don’t believe me, research their website. It’s a sure thing the AJC will never report on this.

By Ben

July 8, 2008 4:06 PM | Link to this

Typical classy Georgia fans. The topic of the story is a former player’s death and what he meant to the program. Somehow I guess Jakie’s death deserves smack talk about the school he went to.

By GeoffDawg

July 8, 2008 4:23 PM | Link to this

Ben, I believe that SanDiegoJacket used the term “UGAG” prior to any Georgia fans chiming in.

By dooley

July 8, 2008 4:45 PM | Link to this

Stork = academic envy

Get off of the internet and get my fries ready!

By Dumb Stork

July 8, 2008 4:45 PM | Link to this

Our “degrees” are Bachelor of Science in Management.

Only a diploma mill names every different sub-discipline a separate degree.

Geoff Dog, What does UPI stand for? and what did it stand for in 1952?

Look up the United Press and the International News Service.

That’s today’s homework.

By Boon

July 8, 2008 4:45 PM | Link to this

Stork, we were right…you ARE brain-damaged.

The undergrad degrees in the College of management are all Bachelor of Science DEGREES (not BA degrees like other business schools……GT has no BA degrees, the Bachelor of Science requires more lab science and harder math than a BA)

Since the actual DEGREE is in MANAGEMENT, the student can pick a CONCENTRATION for his curriculum, from Accounting, Entrepreneurship, Finance, IT Management, Marketing, Ops Management, Organizational Behavior, or Strategic Management. With certain additional coursework, the student can earn a CERTIFICATE in these areas in addition to their BSM.

The more-challenging curriculum is one of the reasons why Tech’s COM is ranked above UGA’s Terry College for undergrad business schools (not to mention MBA’s).

By GeoffDawg

July 8, 2008 4:56 PM | Link to this

UPI is now defunct but was what was considered the major deciding poll for many years along with the AP. That’s also the poll that awarded tech its half of the 1990 title. As for what it stands for, I don’t recall.

By Dumb Stork

July 8, 2008 5:05 PM | Link to this

Geoff Dog,

A for comprehension…

C- for research…

The answer is given in the question, but I throw out a bonus question.

What happened in 1958?

John S. Coon is spinning in his grave.

By Gwinnett Co CRCT Tutor

July 8, 2008 5:07 PM | Link to this

Geoff,

Don’t let anyone know i gave you the answers, but….

UPI was “United Press International”, the combination of two predecessors…..”United Press” and “International News Service” (INS).

The poll, itself, still exists……it’s the Coaches Poll, sponsored by USA Today & ESPN.

By GeoffDawg

July 8, 2008 5:47 PM | Link to this

Thanks to everyone for all this scintillating insight but the original question remains - Given similar conditions under which national titles of that time period (before the “modern” era)were awarded, why do tech fans routinely dismiss Georgia’s claims and state they only have 1 title? It’s like the Clinton form of politics - it may not be true but if you say it often enough - many will start to believe it.

And people say tech fans aren’t gracious. Pox on them.

By Faded Glory

July 8, 2008 6:11 PM | Link to this

Well you got the “Mythical” part right. Looking forward to see you in the Ghetto.

By Rabun Dawg

July 8, 2008 6:40 PM | Link to this

Growing up in Atlanta, and going to a metro high school that sent a lot of players to Tech, I very well remember Jakie Rudolph and the “tackle’ on Marlowe. I was a huge Tech fan in those days, as my brother went to Tech, and parents had season tickets.Come college time, I wanted to major in something that Tech did not offer, and UGA does have a fine Forestry school. That being said, I loved Coach Dodd’s teams in the 50’s, we sure as heck coildn’t beat them until Sapp in 1958. Was not Mason Rudolph, the golfer, Jakie’s brother, or cousin? I do wish Tech was still in the SEC, some great rivalries with Ala., UT, Auburn, etc. Coach Dodd was truly a “class act”.

By Gaines

July 8, 2008 6:42 PM | Link to this

I remember watching this on TV when I was a kid. Alabama had first and goal on the Tech 5 yard line late in the game, and little Jackie Rudolf’s 4ht down tackle - he was the only Tech player between Marlow and the end zone - was the play that won the game. It was a great tackle. Rudolph turned him upside down. A picture of this play covered an entire wall of Dean Griffin’s office when I was at Tech as a student. As I recall, Alabama went on to annihilate Syracuse in the Orange Bowl that year, 63-7.

By OLD MAN

July 8, 2008 6:43 PM | Link to this

This old man (a PROUD graduate of Geaogia Tech — BS-IM ‘57) remembers this play very vividly! What a tackle!

Does anyone else out there remember the off-the-bench tackle by Bama’s Darwin Holt on Chick Granning some time in the mid 50’s —what a cheap shot!

Ben

By SanDiegoJacket

July 8, 2008 6:46 PM | Link to this

GEOFFDAWg

Please go to your own board and leave us alone.

You are just irratating and recalcitrant! Do you understand???

SanDigeoJacket

By st simons

July 8, 2008 6:47 PM | Link to this

its easy to hate ga fans, their so red neck!!!

By Atlanta native

July 8, 2008 7:23 PM | Link to this

In 1952 Tech was the only ticket in Atlanta.

And the self centered arrogant people at tech acted like they were doing you a favor to sell you a ticket.

Then things changed. Call it karma.

Interstate highways were built close to Athens, Auburn, and Clemson.

Vince Dooley came to UGA.

The Falcons began.

The Braves arrived.

Tech was stupid and left the SEC to play Air Force, Furman, Navy, Army, Tulane, etc. and Atlanta people quit coming to the games. I wonder why!

Now its a ticket, a hot dog, and a soft drink.

Now techies sit in their little ghetto stadium watching the honey bees fight through Duke, NCSU, UNC, WF, Maryland, and a 1AA team or two for 7 wins and a trip to the Emerald Bowl or Boise.

They pat each other on the back like insecure little twits and assure each other that they are smarter and better than everyone else.

But they can’t understand why no one else likes them, pulls for them, or wants to read about them in the AJC.

It must be everyone else’s fault for not recognizing how “special” they are. Most narcissists and sociopaths have the same complaint.

Now, judging from where Tech was in 1952 to where they are today, how smart is tech really?

1952?

Tech sucked then and Tech sucks now.

By sljackson

July 8, 2008 7:40 PM | Link to this

Atlanta Native - you made some sense of what you said until the bit about sucking in 1952, when just before you implied we have fallen from grace from ‘52.

Someone answer this - why did we leave the SEC and what year was it?

By CarolinaJacket

July 8, 2008 7:42 PM | Link to this

Old Man, the only thing I would disagree with you on the Holt/Granning thing was that I don’t think it was a tackle, it was a forearm to the head of a player who had dropped his defense because the whistle had blown. It was truly nasty. Neither Holt nor Bryant would apologize for the hit even though some say that later Hold did come see Granning, whose career was over, and apologized.

By New(er)Jacket

July 8, 2008 7:46 PM | Link to this

Matt,

I’m a relatively new Jacket compared to the topic of this story. I graduated Tech in 2005, so I can’t provide you much in the way of memories from the ‘52 season. I can however tell you that when I read these stories and read the memories that some of our “older” fans contribute, it makes me feel like I was there. I like it when writers take the challenge of these kinds of stories, especially historic stories. It gives the youngins’ an eye into the past, and reveals the greats of Tech football. I’ll look forward to your article about “Little Jakie”

By Chas

July 8, 2008 8:02 PM | Link to this

I’m a graduate of the 1952 class. Always love for folks to ask me what class I was in. I always reply Nat’l. co-Champs, six All Americans and a classmate who walked on the moon!! (John Young)

By FLJacket

July 8, 2008 8:05 PM | Link to this

sljackson,

we left the SEC because we didn’t want to associate with rude toothless idiots

By Frank

July 8, 2008 8:35 PM | Link to this

So glad the UGAg fruit loops could drop in and trash the nice thread.

Zero class. None.

By Recent Grad

July 8, 2008 9:00 PM | Link to this

I’m a 2006 graduate and the only thing I know about the Dodd days are the stories from my grandfather and grandmother who neither attended Tech but were huge fans back in the 50’s (and still are). I love hearing the stories of people who remember those years. Marilyn Monroe sporting a Tech sweater, John Wayne whistling “Ramblin Wreck”, and 8 straight against Georgia, those must have been the days!

By Tech '59

July 8, 2008 9:39 PM | Link to this

Enrolled at Tech in Fall of ‘55. Bobby Dodd, Graves, and Broyles were class acts in all respects. Players like Wade Mitchell and others were true student/athletes who were role models and mentors you looked up to for more than their ability on the field. Great period to be a Tech student for many reasons. The successes in life for so many of us from that period proves it to this day.

By 71 jacket

July 8, 2008 10:24 PM | Link to this

I remember all those teams in the 1950’s. When my Dad’s preseason football guide came in the mail, I read it cover to cover.

Coach Dodd retired just after I got into TECH. His nerves were shot and the doc told him to slow down or else. I asked him to come talk to our Freshman Forum group in 1967, but he had to turn us down: nerves. He came into the office most every day, at least till lunch. One sunny spring day, a bunch of us were walking up the Hill to our afternoon lab and we saw Coach Dodd coming out of the AA with his fishing gear. We hollered at him, “Coach, take us with you.” He hollered back, “You boys go to class. You don’t want to end up like me.”

We are so lucky that Jack Wilkinson got to write Coach’s life story: “Dodd’s Luck” 1987.

My copy sits between Bob Wallace’s “Dress Her in White and Gold” and “Griffin-You are a great disappointment to me.”

rich gregory

By Stork

July 8, 2008 10:35 PM | Link to this

Dumb stork. Nice tap dance around the Management program at Tech. Bottom line is it was a crip course introduced to allow marginal student athletes entrance to enhance the standing of your athletic programs. It just hasn’t worked. I know it’s tough to swallow, but it’s the truth.

By ugagrad

July 8, 2008 10:40 PM | Link to this

Big UGA fan here, but Bobby Dodd was truly a class act. The sad thing is he couldn’t enjoy the same success if he were in his prime today. Don’t get riled, I’m not trashing him. It’s just that society and the college game has changed radically. If Bear Bryant and John Wooden were in their prime they would also be unable to dominate.

By UGAfan

July 8, 2008 10:53 PM | Link to this

When and why GT left the SEC From what I remember, GT left the SEC in 1964. Supposedly, Bobby Dodd thought GT could enjoy similar independent status as did Notre Dame, and he also did not like the scholarship limitations the SEC adopted. At the time, the NCAA had no scholarship restrictions. He apparently didn’t want to have to consider dismissing marginal athletes in order to recruit new ones and remain within the scholarship limits. Hope this helps.

By OldDawg55

July 8, 2008 11:41 PM | Link to this

I grew up a Georgia fan..still am..but I was also very proud of the GT teams/players of that day. Jakie Rudolph’s tackle..Marlowe in a mid air tumblesault..ball in air..Tech wins!! Tech had many undersized ballplayers who went on to stardom..great coaches: Dodd,the epidome of coaches..Tonto Coleman, Ray Graves…the split T, the belly play..and my Bulldogs’ drought..oh well! When the Jackets left the SEC the luster was tarnished..never to really recover. Still there was Dodd..nuff said.

By DawgGone

July 9, 2008 6:30 AM | Link to this

YOU GUYS NEED TO GET OUT OF THE WAY BACK MACHINE. 1952? PLEASE.

By WFC

July 9, 2008 7:11 AM | Link to this

UGAfan is quite accurate in his explanation of why GT left the SEC in 1964… a grievous mistake in retrospect. Dodd hated the idea of having to “run off” marginal players in order to meet the SEC’s scholarship rules. He also did not anticipate three important subsequent developments in college football: 1. The importance of TV contracts with the conferences. 2. Bowl tie-ins with conferences. 3. The huge influx of African-American players in the decades following his retirement in 1966… long overdue.

By WFC

July 9, 2008 7:11 AM | Link to this

UGAfan is quite accurate in his explanation of why GT left the SEC in 1964… a grievous mistake in retrospect. Dodd hated the idea of having to “run off” marginal players in order to meet the SEC’s scholarship rules. He also did not anticipate three important subsequent developments in college football: 1. The importance of TV contracts with the conferences. 2. Bowl tie-ins with conferences. 3. The huge influx of African-American players in the decades following his retirement in 1966… long overdue.

By DICK BROCK

July 9, 2008 7:36 AM | Link to this

WHAT A GAME! I WAS 15 AND LISTENING ON THE RADIO WHEN THE TACKLE WAS MADE AND I THINK THAT WAS THE GAME WHERE TECH HELD BAMA FIVE TIMES AT THE ONE YARD LINE. THE ONLY WAY I COULD SEE TECH IN PERSON WAS TO SELL CONCESSIONS DURING GAMES.

By Wreck'EmTech

July 9, 2008 8:13 AM | Link to this

Somewhere on Tech’s website (or was it wikipedia?) there’s a history that I remember implying that the departure from the SEC had everything to do with Dodd’s feud with Bear Bryant. While our later petition to rejoin was blocked by Georgia in a close vote. At least these are the things they tell the students.

As a current student I often wonder what the school would be like now if we had remained SEC. I think the perception by many is that the SEC schools emphasize football while ACC schools are more academic (of course there are exceptions cough FSU, Clemson, VT cough). I wonder if Tech had stayed in the SEC if it would be like Vanderbilt (really academic, but kept down in football by the powerhouses) or like your big football money-makers (all football and big campus, but mediocre-at-best academics). This always starts arguments on campus. Hope the ensuing firestorm remains civil!

By GT

July 9, 2008 8:18 AM | Link to this

Georgia Tech football is very much part of Atlanta. A lot of nice people are connected to Tech football that went on to making contributions to the betterment of this city. In this world of self centered athlete with low watt mental capacity Tech has shown there is another side. I think their persistence in keeping standards has even made its rival Georgia a better place as Georgia has made Tech a better football program competitively. For someone not to understand Tech football or the school itself would lead one to not understand Atlanta, which I am sure makes both sides perfectly happy.

By NYJacket

July 9, 2008 8:51 AM | Link to this

I was a 9 year old kid when that tackle was made. 5 years later I was playing High School Football in Jacksonville Fla for coaches that played against Dodd’s Tech teams.

When as a senior I was recruited by Tech, my high school coaches (former Florida and Alabama players) told me that I would get a great education at Tech and that Dodd’s teams hit harder than any team they ever played against.

Dodd was a class act. And, some mistakenly think he was not tough or a disciplinarian. Wrong. But, he was a great motivator and student of the game.

I will never forget my years playing for him. During my time on the flats the thought of losing a game never entered my mind. We lost a few, but we were always in the game.

I saw that tackle on the wall of the Tech training room every day.

And, for those that say Dodd could not win in today’s college game, they don’t understand the genius of Dodd. He trained the coaches that went on to create today’s game - Bud Wilkinson at Oklahoma, Ray Graves at Florida, Charlie Tate at Miami, and Frank Knowles at Arkansas.

Dodd’s teams lined up in every formation that is in use today and then some. I would have hated to be a defensive coordinator getting ready for his teams.

His teams did not hit much during the season. He prefered to spend the time making sure his players were prepared for the different “looks” the other team would present to them. But, his teams were not soft as the tackle by “Mouse” Rudolph showed.

By Real National Title

July 9, 2008 8:53 AM | Link to this

Hey Matt, what’s with this “mythical” stuff? Just because the BCS didn’t exist back then we have to call National Titles “mythical?” You sound more like one of those obnoxious uga fans than the Tech beat writer! Back then, there was a procedure for winning a National Title just as there is now, and Tech won it. Four times national champions, lets get it right next time!

By Matt Winkeljohn

July 9, 2008 9:17 AM | Link to this

Real,

There are no real titles in football. It remains the only sport the NCAA offers in which it does not stage a national championship tournament or game. “Mythical” has been widely used for many years. It was even more obviously mythical prior to the BCS, which has at least — for all of its weaknesses — avoided any split championships.

Any time you can look up national champions and find more than one in given year (sometimes three or even four) the use of the word mythical is no more crazy than that concept.

Matt

By dawgy

July 9, 2008 9:38 AM | Link to this

ah, yes, I remember the days when Tech was a factor in college football. These were the days before facemasks and platooning. These were also the days before a clear-cut method of selecting a national champion was recognized. Hence, tech’s CLAIM on several bullspit titles.

By Buzz Belle

July 9, 2008 9:41 AM | Link to this

As to why Tech left the SEC, I have not done research but I recall reading a story that Coach Dodd did not like the fact that the SEC did not want African American players playing college sports, something I always admired Dodd for. I’m pretty sure Notre Dame is independant because no football conference wanted “catholics”. Sad commentary on the times. Can someone clarify?

By ugagrad

July 9, 2008 10:43 AM | Link to this

NYJacket I wasn’t saying Coach Dodd couldn’t win in todays college game. I was saying he would enjoy the same level of success. Look, John Wooden would still win a lot of games if he were coaching College hoops today, he just wouldn’t win 10 championships in a row. No disrespect meant to Coach Dodd.

By Russ

July 9, 2008 10:45 AM | Link to this

Hey BuzzBelle, that’s a nice bit of revisionist history. I’m sure Saint Dodd left the SEC because the mean old red necks would not let him recruit African American players. If that’s the case, then why did it take four more years for Eddie McAshan to become the first African American to receive a scholarship to Tech?

I don’t believe altruism had anything to do with the decision. I do believe pride had a lot to do with it, as in “we’ll be the Notre Dame of the south”.

By Stork is an Idiot

July 9, 2008 10:54 AM | Link to this

Stork-Your comments about the Management program at Tech are not only mis-informed, but idiotic. It used to be a Bachelor of Science in Industrial Management. It was around for 50+ years. They dropped the Industrial part in the eighties. I can tell you the program was not created just for the atheletes. As a 1992 graduate with a BS in Management, it was no cakewalk. Two courses of calculus and chemistry on top of the business courses. Not many majors at UGA require that, and definately not the “sports management” majors the atheletes at UGA are choosing. I would put my degree against any at UGA. Now, like the man said earlier, breaktime is over, get back to the fry station…

By Stork

July 9, 2008 11:20 AM | Link to this

Hey Stork is an idiot

Your BS in Management sounds a lot like my UGA BA in Finance. Not only did I take the required business courses, I also took Algebra and Calculus to satisfy my math requirements, and I took two Biology courses to satisfy my science requirements. These were in addition to the four English courses, Sociology, Psychology, Archaeology, Astronomy, and two humanities courses (Greek and Roman history and culture) I conquered, many of which were my “electives”. Like or not, Bubba, the Management program at GT was softened to cater to the athletes. The abnormally high amount of GT athletes declaring Management as their major proves it. Your degree is no better than mine. You may not want to swallow it, but……your fries have been served!!

By dawgy

July 9, 2008 11:26 AM | Link to this

Stork is an idiot: A management degree at tech is a fine degree. But, I’ve found that recipients of said degrees are a little too proud of themselves. I’ve worked with people who had mgmt degrees from tech, and I’ve found some to be capable, some to be excellent, and some to be incompetent. When it’s all said and done, your degree really doesn’t matter that much, it’s how you adapt to your job after your degree. I’ve got a finance degree from Terry, and I’m working on my MBA right now, but I really don’t rub it in the faces of others nearly as much as tech grads. And to say that a management degree from tech is superior to a finance degree from Terry is laughable at best.

By big machine in red and black

July 9, 2008 11:30 AM | Link to this

I’ve got an accounting degree from Georgia, and we had to take pre-cal and calc 1, which is basically the same as tech’s finite math and “survery of calc.” Get over yourselves techies, you’re really not nearly as smart as you think you are.

By CarolinaJacket

July 9, 2008 11:51 AM | Link to this

So Russ, you will do your own revisionist history. Although I never heard of him leaving because other SEC schools did not want African American players, I do know that he fought a hard battle to get to play schools that had AA students, when most other SEC schools would not. Also, he signed a Black player (running back I believe) years before McAshan. There was a picture of the two standing under the goal posts at Grant Field. Unfortunately, the young man did not qualify and never played for Tech. But that was not Dodd’s fault. I think the main reason Dodd left the SEC was the scholarship issue. I knew several guys who gots scholarships but did not develop enough to get to play and Dodd let them off the team — but allowed them to keep their scholarships. He tried to get back in, with his good buddy Bear’s support, but the presidents voted him down. It had nothing to do with being Notre Dame (a good putdown) and it was a sad say for Tech and, I believe, the SEC.

By Richard

July 9, 2008 12:19 PM | Link to this

Matt Winkeljohn,

Really, the BCS has avoided split national champions? That sound you’re hearing is the USC and LSU fans knocking down your door.

By cb

July 9, 2008 1:40 PM | Link to this

I was an early teen ager in “51” and “52” and remember those great days of GT football including the big freshman game each year. I could not afford tickets back then and probably could not have gotten one if I could. During those days the women dressed up to go to the games. Those teams had players that were the cream of the crop back then. Coach Dodd seem to always get the players he needed and wanted. There were reasons that most folks from back then are aware of. I remember the hard losses, like when ND broke Tech’s thirty something unbeaten streak. Also, in “56’ (another great year) when Tech lost to Tennessee and Johnny Majors 6-0, those were heartbreakers for fans like me. I never attended Tech but grew up in the shadow of a great man (Coach Dodd) and a great school (Georgia Tech) and I think I am a better person for it. Also, Furman Bisher’s articles were great back then and so were the Crackers.

By Buzz Belle

July 9, 2008 2:52 PM | Link to this

OK - from the little bit of time I could research, scholarships and the treatment of athletes were the reason Dodd pulled out of the SEC. Whatever the reason, it is history and Johnson is about to write some more for us! Can’t wait until football starts to see who the next “Little Jakie” will be. And Russ, it wasn’t revisionist history. It might take me some time, but when I can, I will pull up the info to show you. I’m pretty sure the info regarding ND I got last year when I went to South Bend to watch Tech beat Notre Dame. gotta work now - THWG

By TheBlogger

July 9, 2008 2:52 PM | Link to this

Hey Matt…. Why call it “mythical” when referring to the Tech National Championships? The ajc never calls it “mythical” when referring to ugay’s. Just be consistant!

dawgy LMFAO! All Tech engineers take at least 5 Calculus courses. I would bet that you could not even pass the course, “Engineering Statistics”, which most all of the students must take. Now, I realize that ugay has some decent programs, but overall it really is a party school and not an academic one. You know it, I know it, and even Newsweek knows it.

By TheBlogger

July 9, 2008 2:57 PM | Link to this

Stork LMFAO! Are you really raving about your curriculum that included Astronomy (likely some intro course: where is the moon?), Archaeology (again, some intro course: here is a shovel), and the like? Reading your post, I laughed so hard my eyes watered!

By O-Zone

July 9, 2008 3:11 PM | Link to this

Oldman, from another long time GT Man, this is just to refresh your memory. Chick Granning had signaled for a “fair catch” and Holt came on and let him have a fore arm in the jaw. Chick was severly injured with a broken jaw, nose and other injuries. The Bear and Bama fans labeled Tech Crybabies of the SEC. Don’t think Holt received any punishment then, but in his first Pro game, someone put him out of football for good. Don’t remember the details. Granning was OC at East Tn. State in the early 90’s and recruited my son. Soon afterward the school gave up the FB program and I lost contact with him.

By checkitout

July 9, 2008 3:17 PM | Link to this

Dawginlex—Be careful, count the # of players on police blotters that UGA had over the past 7 years during their winning streak over Tech. If you live in a glass house———.

By GotCurry

July 9, 2008 3:23 PM | Link to this

Hey Stork, I think the point that many GT fans are trying to make here is that Management is a common major at Tech. By that, I mean that hundreds of kids take it, not just athletes. It’s not catered to “dumb jocks” like majors such as Sports Management or whatever other fluff degrees they have in Athens. Tech doesn’t have majors like that, depending on who you ask. Of course many engineering majors will say that Management or International Affairs is a bullcrap major, but that is just relative to engineering. Although they may be easier than say, a BS in Mechanical Engineering (my major), it’s no cake walk. Now how long does it take to get some freakin’ fries??

By GT

July 9, 2008 3:25 PM | Link to this

Didn’t Ted Davis or someone in his era get kicked in the head by Alabama.

By GT Brill

July 9, 2008 4:01 PM | Link to this

My grandfather, Jack Smith, was a civil engineering professor at Tech from 1919 to around the early 50’s. He used to go to all the games with my dad. My dad told me all about Coach Alec, Coach Dodd, Sideways the dog, “The Robbery” bookstore etc. I went to all the games with him. After three generations, I wound up at UGA, go figure ! He also played football at Boy’s High with the Castleberry’s, Clint and Jimmy, I think. They were a powerhouse team themselves back in the day. I am still a huge Tech fan.

By CarolinaJacket

July 9, 2008 4:07 PM | Link to this

A couple of things. Actually, Ted Davis was the one that kicked an Auburn player in the head. He was immediately kicked off the team (Bryant did not punish Holt in any way). I think it may have been Ed Nutting who ended Holt’s pro career. At least, that was the word on the street at the time. Finally, in the Chick Granning case, it was Alabama who was fair catching. Granning was way off the play and that is why no official saw the cheap shot.

By techf@n

July 9, 2008 4:30 PM | Link to this

I love all of the redneck morons who come in here and say “Quit living in the past, 1952 was forever ago”. We are talking about it b/c Rudolph passed away you white trash morons, and it was HIS major play in 1952. God almighty you mutts sure are stupid. What, could you not read the whole ONE page article and realize what people were talking about? Was that too much for you to handle, an ENTIRE page? And as far as the academic argument goes, Stork you are an idiot. Go kill yourself b/c you aren’t even remotely right about anything. And to all of you Finance majors from the Terry College of Garbage, congrats on taking Algebra……Algebra???? Are you kidding me? Did you also take Geometry and maybe some long division? Great article, sorry that the white trash garbage mutts had to come in and ruin it (but is anyone surprised).

By techf@n

July 9, 2008 4:30 PM | Link to this

I love all of the redneck morons who come in here and say “Quit living in the past, 1952 was forever ago”. We are talking about it b/c Rudolph passed away you white trash morons, and it was HIS major play in 1952. God almighty you mutts sure are stupid. What, could you not read the whole ONE page article and realize what people were talking about? Was that too much for you to handle, an ENTIRE page? And as far as the academic argument goes, Stork you are an idiot. Go kill yourself b/c you aren’t even remotely right about anything. And to all of you Finance majors from the Terry College of Garbage, congrats on taking Algebra……Algebra???? Are you kidding me? Did you also take Geometry and maybe some long division? Great article, sorry that the white trash garbage mutts had to come in and ruin it (but is anyone surprised).

By dawgy

July 9, 2008 4:50 PM | Link to this

TheBlogger: I realize you techies only read what you want to believe, but I clearly said MANAGEMENT MAJORS at tech take the equivalent math courses as do BUSINESS MAJORS at Georgia. I didn’t say anything about the engineering program at tech, which is fine if you want to top out at 65k/year and live in a cubicle. Idiot.

By CHECKITOUT

July 9, 2008 5:05 PM | Link to this

GUESS IT IS TIME WEQUIT LIVING IN THE PAST. wE WILL FORGET THE 50’S AND YOU FORGET THE YEARS THAT PUT UGA’S WINNING RECORD PAST GT. DEAL? DIDN’T THINK SO.

By Stork

July 9, 2008 5:11 PM | Link to this

The Blogger Laughed so hard I made your eyes water? Are you sure it wasn’t from some area of your body? A lot of nerds have trouble holding their water. Anyway, glad I helped you enjoy your day. I guess life in a cubicle can be tough, but I do hope you had enough space to store a change of clothes. The blogger I was responding to talked about his tough calculus and chemistry classes. Hmm, I had calculus and biology. No big difference there. As far as archaeology goes, no I wasn’t given a shovel. Did GT award you a pocket protector for your slide rule? Something I didn’t see in your blog, genious. Just what did you major in, and what were you “challenging” classes? Just a big band of wind. Continue enjoying the day with your cubicle mates and have a safe commute home. HA HA HA.

By Stork

July 9, 2008 5:22 PM | Link to this

Hey GotCurry Thanks for the dissection of my blog. Sure you aren’t a Psych major at GT? I said nothing about the Engineering majors. I will be the first to say it’s a difficult curriculum and GT is an excellent Engineering college. If one of my children were inclined to become an engineer then I would steer them to GT. But the fact remains that the Management program was changed in the 1980s (per an earlier Tech blogger) and it’s the cupcake major at Tech. EVERY college has soft classes that a lot of athletes take, but the air of academic superiority of many GT fans would make the most casual observer gag. Do you, or anyone else, truly believe that GT signs only those athletes who are at or even near the SAT and GPA averages of your normal student body? Absolutely NOT. Now, back to your cubicle!

By Stork

July 9, 2008 5:26 PM | Link to this

Hey techf@n There’s a fine line between ignorant and stupid. Ignorant is not knowing the truth. You, sir, are stupid! Now, back to your cubicle!

By GotCurry

July 9, 2008 5:48 PM | Link to this

Stork, All I’m saying is that the so-called “cupcake majors” at other schools don’t even exist at Tech.Management is a legitimate degree. What the hell is Turfgrass Management or Recreation and Leisure Studies?! You can’t honestly say that these majors are comparable to a Management degree from Tech.

By Stork

July 9, 2008 6:20 PM | Link to this

GotCurry. I guess it’s a matter of perspective. I actually know a guy who majored in turf mgmt and he’s pulling in about $70K at a golf course in AZ. Some may laugh at his salary, but he’s 30 and loves his job. Life couldn’t get any better for him. Do I think recreation is as tough as aeronautical engineering? Heck no! If someone tells you that they’re out of their mind. My whole point is this - GTs athletes, as a whole, are no more academically sound than any other D1 college. Please tell me you don’t believe your pigskin and hoops players - as a whole - had similar GPAs and SATs as did yourself or the average GT freshman class. If I remember right, the average SAT for incoming freshman at GT is around 1325 (out of 1600). I’m not trying to short change you if I’m wrong. Now, if 1325 is the average, do you think your athletes are in that group? I sure don’t. Nor do I think the athletes at UGA, as a whole, meet the average of UGA’s incoming freshman (I believe the average SAT is 1232 or something like that). It seems as though when GT wins the obnoxious fans say it’s because they have superior athletes and/or coaches, but when they lose it’s because of the tough academic standards. You just can’t have your cake and eat it too. I believe college bound students can get great educations at either UGA or GT, depending on the major. Athletics are a big revenue producing venture, so ALL colleges who depend on that revenue make concessions for the athletes, GT included. We may not like it, but that’s just the way it is.

By Proud Tech Fan

July 9, 2008 6:43 PM | Link to this

The University of Georgia - Home of the Red Coat Band and the red neck fan.

By TheBlogger

July 9, 2008 6:47 PM | Link to this

Stork Yep, I majored in engineering at Tech. You asked about my more difficult classes?

I think that most engineering students would closely agree that Dynamics is one of the toughest of all. Statics was no walk in the park.

But, I would guess that you don’t even know what those courses are (since you took the tough Astronomy, etc.). BWAHAHAHAHAHA! BTW - did you ever learn where the moon is located?

By Rodney

July 9, 2008 6:48 PM | Link to this

Proud Tech Fan. Georgia Tech - Home of 241 fans that are willing to purchase tickets to a worthless football bowl game. LMFAO.

By TheBlogger

July 9, 2008 6:53 PM | Link to this

Stork I don’t think that anyone has ever said that Tech athletes were smarter that ugay athletes. Well, it does seem that ugay athletes are always in trouble with the law - but that may be a different issue.

But, anyone with an ounce of sense would say that the student body of Tech is way smarter than the student body of ugay. You can compare average SAT scores or ACT scores or any other measure.

Just speak to a corporate recruiter. They will tell you that when comparing a Tech grad with a ugay grad for a job, they add 1 full point to the gpa of the Tech grad because they realize that Tech is that much tougher. In other words, a 2.5 at Tech would be equivalent to a 3.5 at ugay. So, even the general corporate world understands the difference.

I guess you not understanding the difference, and you being from ugay speaks volumes.

By Stork

July 9, 2008 7:00 PM | Link to this

Hey, The Blogger

Wow, I’m impressed. You actually took 2 tough courses while at Tech! I recently heard a carhop at the Varsity talking about the tough Statics class he took while at GT. Hell, if I didn’t know better, you invented Statics. You must be Al Gore. LMFAO!

By Stork

July 9, 2008 7:07 PM | Link to this

The Blogger

You don’t think anyone has ever said GT athletes are smarter than UGAs. Brother, you need to get out of your cubicle more often. That was the whole purpose of my original comment. GT fans scream superiority when they win games, and cry “academics” when they lose. LMFAO.

I’ll call your hand. My brother happens to be a corporate recruiter. I’ll lay out your hypothesis and see what he, and his colleagues, say.

By the way, did you miss your carpool and are still stuck in your cubicle?

By the truth

July 9, 2008 7:14 PM | Link to this

We can argue curriculum, and SAT scores all day, the truth of the matter is that all my friends who have recently graduated from Tech are all very sucessfull, and I don’t think any of them sit in cubicles. Sales engineers, project managers, hired into leadership development programs, consultants, etc. All my friends from Georgia either sell insurance and real estate (or try to), hate their jobs, and I don’t think any of them used their degrees. UGA is a good school only if you are getting a law degree, pharmcy school, or vet school. The four-year bachelor degrees are pretty worthless except maybe accounting, in which case you will be sitting in a cubicle working 60+ hours a week.

By Stork

July 9, 2008 7:37 PM | Link to this

To The truth

Are you delusional? All GT grads are successful and love their jobs while all UGA grads are unsuccessful and unhappy. Put the cap back on the “White out”, join hands with your cubicle mates and sing Kumbaya. LMFAO.

By GotCurry

July 9, 2008 7:50 PM | Link to this

Stork, Really? Is that cubicle thing all you got? I know plenty of people that have graduated from Tech and not a single one of them works in a cubicle. Successful people have their own offices. Anyway, I don’t think our football players are any smarter than UGA’s. I’m just saying that they take much more difficult classes. I’m sure The Blogger didn’t want to make your head explode by mentioning some of the other classes he took. These are some of the classes I’ve taken as an engineer: Statics, Dynamics, Thermodynamics, Heat Transfer, Machine Design, Materials Science, Fluid Dynamics, System Dynamics, Manufacturing, Calculus 1, Calculus 2, Calculus 3, Differential Equations, Chemistry, Physics 1, Physics 2, Physics 3. Now why don’t you try to convince me how much harder Astronomy is than any one of these classes.

By GT96

July 9, 2008 8:49 PM | Link to this

Matt,

Check out this article about Billy Lothridge and Billy Martin from the Sunday edition of the Gainesville Times.

I realize they were 10 years after the early 50s, but it’s an interesting artcle nonetheless….

http://www.gainesvilletimes.com/news/archive/6895/

By Stork

July 9, 2008 9:04 PM | Link to this

GotCurry What was it in my last posting to you that set you off? I actually thought you and I were moving towards a more rational level of dialog. I guess I was wrong. The Astronomy course, as I mentioned earlier, was an elective. I guess GT is so tough you don’t have electives. UGA had the thought that it was better to be introduced to a variety of subjects rather than just focus on your major. Whether you agree with it or not, it’s what I had to deal with. I suppose in your world everyone needs to be an engineer. If not, then they’re a failure. That being said, then virtually every US President, Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, school teachers, preachers, et al, and thousands of other extremely successful people don’t measure up to the Tech standard. That’s delusional at best. I was required to take higher math courses and sciences, but I guess in your world first level calculus and chemistry at GT are much more difficult than first level calculus and chemistry at UGA. There’s no way to reason with anyone who holds the belief that GT athletes are smarter than the rest of D1 athletes, or that all GT grads get an additional point added to their GPA when interviewing for a job, or that all GT grads are successful and happy while all UGA grads are miserable. I know plenty of GT and UGA grads that are very unhappy with their jobs. I was once one of them and I found another career where I am quite happy and successful. In closing, let me say this: GT athletes are no smarter than UGAs, the “elite” GT students are no smarter that the elite at UGA, and O.J. did it. If you cannot accept these facts, then enjoy your time in Neverland. This will be my last post on the subject so you can have the last word and rip me up real good.

By GotCurry

July 9, 2008 9:47 PM | Link to this

I just love seeing UGA fans get so defensive of their academics. My job here is done. Have a good night Stork.

By Stork=deusch

July 9, 2008 10:03 PM | Link to this

Stork- Go fvck ur dead mom

By TheBlogger

July 9, 2008 10:18 PM | Link to this

Stork (aka dork): The proof in the pudding is that you (a ugay person) is here on a GA Tech blog talking smack. Wonder why…….

ugay people have an inferiority complex and feel the need to continually talk $hit. If they/you were confident of themselves, there would be no need.

But, you are are and have been here for a llloooonnnnnggggg time. You are deficient. Go back to your dog house, boy.

And yes - as a graduate of GA Tech and also as one that has attended many other colleges/universities, I can undoubtedly say that Calc 1 and also Chem 1 at GA Tech is much more difficult that at any of the others. And, until you go to Tech and take one for yourself, you have absolutely no basis for comparison (except your smack talk and your pitifully low ego).

By Rodney

July 9, 2008 10:20 PM | Link to this

I agree with Stork. Tech’s campus is in a slum, their coliseum leaks, their teams suck, and their grads have an inflated sense of self.

By The Sage

July 9, 2008 10:23 PM | Link to this

Is there anything other than OLD Tech fans?

By Maturity

July 9, 2008 10:26 PM | Link to this

Yes, I was a GIT fan in 1952. Then I no longer crapped in my diapers and GREW UP!

By George O'Leary

July 9, 2008 10:26 PM | Link to this

Joe Hamilton earned a degree at Tech. How’s he doing by the way? Somebody’s girlfriend by now probably.

By Ranking the plays

July 9, 2008 10:29 PM | Link to this

Yes, I agree the 1952 play was the 7th best play in GIT history, and if I may say, the LAST best play from the Calculi.

By John Wooden

July 9, 2008 10:31 PM | Link to this

Don’t be comparing Bobby Dodd to me!

By Curry Promotion

July 9, 2008 10:36 PM | Link to this

Must feel pretty good that Curry got a promotion to Georgia State. Of course, he’s jilted GIT once before, hasn’t he?

By Editor

July 9, 2008 10:41 PM | Link to this

Who let O’Liar opine on here? Somebody’s gonna get FIRED!!!!

By Academic Counselor

July 9, 2008 10:46 PM | Link to this

To all concerned parties, we are removing sexual assault from our otherwise stringent academic requirements. Thank you for your input. Dean Dong

By The Wrapper

July 9, 2008 10:51 PM | Link to this

Are there still GIT season tix available? I’ve run out of packing foam. Please call 800-Go2-Boise.

By T

July 10, 2008 9:16 AM | Link to this

Did any of you guys hear what David Pollack said on 790 the other day? Now I’m qouting Pollack, ” He also said we’re not a rival because somebody has to win every now and then, even Vandy and Kentucky can beat us, Tech can’t, Tech is irrelevant, we beat Tech down every year, Reggie Ball was Georgia’s MVP for four years and he’s one his favorite players, we get talented guys every now and then, but overall we don’t have talent, blah, blah, blah. At one point he said “I don’t mean any disrespect”, and Woolvey said well it’s pretty disrespectful, watch your mouth. A real class act. He also went on to make fun of the Big 10 and other things. You know I hope Coach Johnson heard this and plays this in the locker room all year! We beat them 2-3 years in a row and see how irrelevant we are. I really hate UGA!

By David

July 10, 2008 9:30 AM | Link to this

To the Blogger.

I LMFAO all morning at your comment about calculus. First off, just how many colleges/universities did you attend? Could you not pass calculus the first time? How many universities did you flunk out of before you got accepted at Tech? Calculus at Tech is “tougher” than anyone elses? What did Tech do, invent a new calculus? LMFAO. You need to throw away your boys size spiderman pajamas and step up to a mens size. It’s apparently restricting your blood flow. What a loser!

By David Pollack

July 10, 2008 9:31 AM | Link to this

Can someone come and tie my shoes for me now, and possibly wipe my butt? Lord knows my lame a** can’t do it now. God bless

By Football God

July 10, 2008 9:34 AM | Link to this

Several points here: 1. The NCAA recognizes no National Champion in I-A football. PERIOD. They list some things on their website just for fun. So they are all Mythical National Championships (MNC). 2. Most of the things you see listed on the NCAA website or elsewhere are computer ratings or other systematic formulas, NOT polls. Most of them do not actually award championships and most of them were not contemporaneous. 3. The first contemporaneous “national champion” as far as I have been able to determine was the Dickinson System, a statistics-based formula devised by a U of Illinois professor, who awarded national championships from 1926-1940. This is not a widely accepted MNC. 4. Prior to about 1936, there were no real national champions. 2 things happened in 1936: The AP Poll started ranking teams and handing out a trophy, and the Helms Athletic Foundation started a panel of experts to select the national champion. 5. Helms also went back and retroactively examined previous football seasons to 1901 and named national champs for those years as well. Since then, others have retroactively named champions as well, such as the National Championship Foundation and Billingsley (a power rating formula). None of these were contemporaneous! 6. Prior to 1936, there was something kind of like the BCS, called the Rose Bowl. The idea of the Rose Bowl was to pit the best team from the East against the best team from the West. The winner was not called the national champion, but it’s hard for me to argue against the MNC for a team that won the Rose Bowl and had the best record. 7. The AP poll and the Coaches’ poll are the two universally recognized sources for national champions. The coaches poll started in 1950 as the United Press (UP) poll. Another news organization called International News Service (INS) did a poll of writers and coaches from 1952-1957, but this was merged with the UP poll when UP and INS merged to form United Press International (UPI) in 1958. Yet another poll started in this era is the FWAA (Football Writer’s Association of America) beginning in 1954. Now given this background info, we can look at GT and UGA’s MNCs:

1990 Colorado: AP, Berryman, DeVold, FACT, FB News, Football Research, FW, Matthews, National Championship Foundation, NFF, Sporting News, USA/CNN Georgia Tech: Dunkel, FACT, National Championship Foundation, UPI Miami (Fla.): Billingsley, Eck, FACT, NY Times, Sagarin Washington: FACT

GT won the coaches poll, LEGIT.

1980 Florida St.: FACT* Georgia: AP, Berryman, FACT, FB News, FW, Helms, National Championship Foundation, NFF, Poling, Sporting News, UPI Nebraska: FACT, Sagarin Oklahoma: Billingsley, Dunkel, Matthews Pittsburgh: DeVold, FACT*, Football Research, NY Times

Georgia won the AP and coaches’ polls, LEGIT.

1968 Georgia: Litkenhous Ohio St.: AP, Berryman, Billingsley, Dunkel, FACT, FB News, Football Research, FW, Helms, National Championship Foundation, NFF, Poling, UPI Texas: DeVold, Matthews, Sagarin

Georgia won a rinky-dink rating system with an 8-1-2 record, Ohio State was 10-0 and won both polls, BOGUS.

1956 Georgia Tech: Berryman Iowa: Football Research Oklahoma: AP, Billingsley, Boand, DeVold, Dunkel, FW, Helms, INS, Litkenhous, National Championship Foundation, Sagarin, UPI, Williamson Tennessee: Sagarin

Georgia Tech won a rinky-dink rating system with a 10-1 record, Oklahoma was 10-0 and won both polls, BOGUS.

1952 Georgia Tech: Berryman, INS, Poling Michigan St.: AP, Billingsley, Boand, DeVold, Dunkel, Football Research, Helms, Litkenhous, National Championship Foundation, Sagarin, UPI, Williamson

Georgia Tech was 12-0 and won a recognized media poll (INS), Michigan State 9-0 and won the other polls, LEGIT.

1951 Georgia Tech: Berryman, Boand* Illinois: Boand* Maryland: DeVold, Dunkel, Football Research, National Championship Foundation, Sagarin Michigan St.: Billingsley, Helms, Poling Tennessee: AP, Litkenhous, UPI, Williamson

Georgia Tech finished 11-0-1, won a couple of rating systems. Tennessee won the polls (which were pre-bowl at that time) but lost to 10-0 Maryland in the Orange Bowl. BOGUS, although from a retrospective point of view, better claim than Tennessee.

1946 Army: Boand, Football Research, Helms, Houlgate, Poling* Georgia: Williamson Notre Dame: AP, Berryman, Billingsley, Boand, DeVold, Dunkel, Helms, Litkenhous, National Championship Foundation, Poling*, Sagarin

Army had not lost a game in 3 years and Notre Dame fought them to a 0-0 tie, both teams finished unbeaten with a tie and between them shared MNC honors. Georgia finished 11-0 and won a rinky-dink rating system. BOGUS.

1942 Georgia: Berryman, DeVold, Houlgate, Litkenhous, Poling, Williamson Ohio St.: AP, Billingsley, Boand, Dunkel, Football Research, National Championship Foundation Wisconsin: Helms

Georgia finished 11-1 and beat UCLA in the Rose Bowl. Ohio State finished 9-1. Georgia’s loss was 27-13 to a mediocre 6-4-1 Auburn team, while Ohio State lost to a strong 8-1-1 Wisconsin team picked as national champs by one source. Still, Rose Bowl win = LEGIT.

1928 Detroit: Parke Davis* Georgia Tech: Billingsley, Boand, Football Research, Helms, Houlgate, National Championship Foundation, Parke Davis*, Poling Southern California: Dickinson

Georgia Tech was 10-0 and beat California in the Rose Bowl. USC tied California and finished 9-0-1. LEGIT.

1927 Georgia: Boand, Poling Illinois: Billingsley, Dickinson, Helms, National Championship Foundation, Parke Davis Notre Dame: Houlgate Yale: Football Research

Georgia finished 9-1 and won a couple of rating systems, lost the last game of the season 12-0 to 8-1-1 Georgia Tech. Illinois finished 7-0-1 with a tie against mediocre 4-3-1 Iowa State. BOGUS.

1917 Georgia Tech: Billingsley, Helms, Houlgate, National Championship Foundation

GT finished 9-0, outscored opposition 491-17, and had not lost a game in 3 years. LEGIT.

So there you have it: 4 LEGIT MNCs for GT and 2 LEGIT MNCs for UGA.

By morethanafan

July 10, 2008 9:41 AM | Link to this

This blog asked people who were GT fans in the 50’s to comment on their recollections. It started out pretty well until the immature a**hole “Stork” and his fellow kennel mates decided they had better chime in and disrupt the conversation with their idiotic bs about uga….who cares about uga? Why don’t you uga guys go to the uga blog and tell each other how smart and wonderful you are? Incidentally, storky, since you have so much time to spend on this site, you obviously don’t have a job of any importance, or maybe your shift starts later. I have plenty of time since I am successful and retired. Oh yeah, your brother must be a uga grad, too, since the only job he can get is “corporate recruiter”…oh well, somebody has to do the commission only jobs. That’s why we have uga.

As to why GT left the SEC, since I was there I know exactly why. At the time, the SEC set a strict limit on the number of football players on scholarship at any time. I recall the number as 75. When schools like ala,uga, auburn,tenn, would sign a new class they would simply pull the scholarship of an older player who had not worked out like they thought he would. GT policy was to award a four year scholarship, and even if the player never saw the field they would not pull the scholarship. This prevented them from living within the SEC limit so they had no choice but to leave.

By SavTechIE

July 10, 2008 11:09 AM | Link to this

Can’t say enough good things about Jake. Lived down the street from him and his brother Mason in Clarksville, followed him a year later at DARLINGTON, and was with him 3 years at TECH. He’s the little guy standing beside Dodd in the team picture, celebrating just after the game. TECH had at least 6 bona fide All-Americans that year, but Jake was too small to be considered a legitimate candidate. He was less than 160 pounds. Yes, I certainly was there and remember the tackle. All Bama and most TECH fans thought Marlow had a sure TD. The left side was wide open except for Jake who moved out to about the 5-yard line to cut under Marlow.

By dawgy

July 10, 2008 4:06 PM | Link to this

Once again tech fans show their class. Or utter lack thereof. Making fun of David Pollack because he broke his neck? There is a hot place in hell reserved for you, buddy.

By Chief

July 10, 2008 4:42 PM | Link to this

I really don’t understand why everyone gets so upset about what is posted here and on UGA sites. Back in my days at UGA (the 60s) what we and Tech fans did to each other makes this trash talk pale in comparision. Lighten up Francis!

By Russ

July 10, 2008 8:03 PM | Link to this

Well, I think Coach Dodd was as classy a coach as any other during his era. However, the common practice at all schools at that time was to recruit a player even if he wasn’t going to play simply to keep him from attending your rival and beating you. So of course tech was in favor of unlimited scholarships. Scholarship limits were an attempt to prevent that. Of course, I’m sure you like your version better as to why tech left the SEC.

By LArry Flowers

July 10, 2008 9:30 PM | Link to this

I do recall the game and I was an usher at the games. The tackle was great and solid as tackles go.It won the game for GT and there was a big B&W phot of the tackle hanging in the foyer entrance of the FOX Theatre for years and I often looked at it remembering the game. We all loved Bobby Dodd for the fine man he was and coach too. There’s not too many like him now. I am a rabid UGA fan but love my memories of GT and some of their great players….Billy Lothridge, Stan Gann, Lenny Snow, Tommy Carlisle (an Avondale High School buddy) and others….I also recall Bob Wallace the sports editor and author of “Dress Her in Gold and White” as he used to look over my shoulder as I designed the GT Football programs in the mid-1960s….

By Herb Einstein

July 10, 2008 9:33 PM | Link to this

GotCurry, you call these courses tough? I took most of ‘em in 2nd grade. (The courses and their description in the GIT student handbook.) Statics (like stuff sticking to your clothes), Dynamics (like Baroke Osama is a dynamic speaker), Thermodynamics (when it’s hot and stuff sticks to your clothes), Heat Transfer (like when you sweat), Machine Design (a machine that designs stuff), Materials Science (learnin’ about material stuff), Fluid Dynamics (water flows downhill), System Dynamics (systems drop to earth), Manufacturing (making stuff), Calculus 1 (1+0 = 1), Calculus 2 (1+1 = 2), Calculus 3 (1+2 = 3), Differential Equations (equations that are different), Chemistry (makin’ stuff and watchin’ it blow up), Physics 1 (Why a train. which engineers drive, moves), Physics 2 (how a train stops), Physics 3 (hitchin’ cars to the train).

By larry flowers

July 10, 2008 9:50 PM | Link to this

I am and will always be a UGA fan…my dad played ball there in the late 1930s. I see the hatred is still alive at both schools. Once in college several of us UGA fans were in Panama City Fla and eating dinner at Captain Anderson’s and razzing some GT fans and players….it was all goo-natured and friendly….afterwards we left and were met on the dock near the water….a very nice GT grad, gentleman who was a GT supporter invited the 5 of us onto his big boat….”The Yellow Jacket”…and gave us a tour of the city from the water…It forever changed my feeling about the rivalry and I know it did the others too. The man’s name was Carl Vereen I believe and he played for GT back when. I respect GT and the fine school it is…..not to say I won’t want to whup them good when we play, but it’s just a game…right ? Kids are dying in Iraq and other palces….so let’s keep it in perspective…..Thanks and go Dawgs !

By larry flowers

July 10, 2008 9:51 PM | Link to this

I am and will always be a UGA fan…my dad played ball there in the late 1930s. I see the hatred is still alive at both schools. Once in college several of us UGA fans were in Panama City Fla and eating dinner at Captain Anderson’s and razzing some GT fans and players….it was all goo-natured and friendly….afterwards we left and were met on the dock near the water….a very nice GT grad, gentleman who was a GT supporter invited the 5 of us onto his big boat….”The Yellow Jacket”…and gave us a tour of the city from the water…It forever changed my feeling about the rivalry and I know it did the others too. The man’s name was Carl Vereen I believe and he played for GT back when. I respect GT and the fine school it is…..not to say I won’t want to whup them good when we play, but it’s just a game…right ? Kids are dying in Iraq and other palces….so let’s keep it in perspective…..Thanks and Go Dawgs !

By Jack G

July 11, 2008 9:23 PM | Link to this

I have been a Tech fan so long, that i remember the drop kick——my memory is fading a wee mite, but i believe that Howard Ector was pretty good at it.

By Michael Cameron

July 13, 2008 1:14 AM | Link to this

Matt Winkeljohn

Thank you for writing this tribute, as well as the other article now on another page, to Mr. Rudolph in memory and honor of his service to Georgia Tech. I can’t quite honestly say I remember the famous $125,000 tackle on the afternoon of November 15, 1952. I was exactly eight months and eleven days old — but living only a few blocks away on Piedmont Avenue — when he made the legendary stop, having been born right up the street from where he made it. I can still nostalgically see Crawford Long Hospital from the West stands of Bobby Dodd Stadium at Historic Grant Field. Whenever I look at the scoreboard and see “1952” listed under the title of National Champions I always feel a special bond; the neighborhood team won the Championship the same year I came along. May Mr. Rudolph rest in peace and his family find a degree of solace in this outpouring of sentiment.