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Thanks for four great years
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
It has been a real pleasure and privilege to have the chance to cover Georgia Tech sports for four years. Thanks for reading what I have written. Many of you have taken the time to share your thoughts, either through conversations, letters, e-mails or blog comments. That meant a lot to me, even when you took issue with something I said or the way I said it.
I will soon begin covering the Thrashers, and I hope many of you will continue to read what I write, just as I will continue to have an interest in Tech sports.
It is somewhat awkward to be moving on to another assignment so soon after I made a point of telling a group of Tech fans I stayed on the Tech beat because I enjoyed it so much. I’d like those people to know I meant what I said.
Tech’s athletes, coaches, sports information staff, athletics department officials, students and fans have treated me well. Those I have interviewed have been generous with their time and almost without exception classy in their willingness to answer questions, even difficult ones asked at inconvenient moments.
Chan Gailey, the Tech coach I covered most, made it a rule not to single out players because he knew he was likely to offend a deserving one he forgot to mention. I could never list even a twentieth of the people I should. From Tashard Choice to Janie Mitchell, Steven Blackwood to Kristi Miller, Gerris Wilkinson to Luke Schenscher, Tech athletes have made my job a pleasant one. And I owe just as many thanks to Tech people whose names rarely if ever appeared in print, people like Allison George, Dean Buchan and Mollie Simmons Mayfield.
I have spent 23 years since my own college graduation covering college sports as a reporter and as an editor. The Thrashers beat provides a tremendous opportunity for me to try something different. It gives me a chance to immerse myself in a game I discovered as a kid watching Butch Goring, Marcel Dionne and Rogie Vachon and rediscovered as a college student fortunate enough to cover three Hobey Baker Award winners — Mark Fusco, Scott Fusco and Lane McDonald. (For you non-hockey people, think Heisman Trophy.)
I am thankful for the people I have met on the Tech beat, and I look forward to continuing as many of those relationships as I can for years to come. Stay in touch.




DEL.ICIO.US


Comments
By ............................................BuLLdawg
June 4, 2008 1:51 AM | Link to this
I have no idea what the Thrashers are, but I sure do know what Tech fans you mention here are. Thank you very much Tech fans for coming into the UGA blog and bragging about how much better your baseball team is than UGA.
Then, getting shutout 8 to nothing and blown out of the water 18-6 with 6 errors.
Tech has now lost 5 consecutive NCAA Baseball Tournament games to UGA.
Tech lost in baseball to UGA, who now enjoys a 46-game advantage in baseball over Georgia Tech.
Tech has been to 3 College World Series, ever.
UGA, if we beat NC State twice at Foley Field this weekend, will have been to the CWS 3 times in the last 5 years.
Tech also Lost to UGA in Football. 7 straight times.
Tech also Lost to UGA in Men’s Basketball.
Tech also Lost to UGA in Women’s Basketball.
Tech also has a worse APR Academic Progress Rate than UGA again this year for football student-athletes.
Ditto for your men’s basketball team having a worse APR than UGA’s.
For good measure, Tech Lost 6 Scholarships in Football 2007-2008 for the Georgia Institute of Technology’s 2nd NCAA Probation Major Infractions Database this one for Academic CHEATING.
Tech managed to not suspend any of your student-athletes for drug violations. You give them only a counseling session. This did not work, when just as the baseball NCAA Tournament began the headlines read Tech Baseball Player dead of Heroin Overdose. His teammate you banned for the rest of the year when he spoke up that it was a known issue with Michael Hutts. His father also said it was known.
For good measure, your new football coach hired Joey Hamilton to be your Associate Director of Player Development. He took his 1st paycheck, bought drugs, got drunk, drove, hit another, left scene, got arrested.
Been helluva year.
By TechRules
June 4, 2008 3:03 AM | Link to this
Mike, Isn’t it nice to see that the first comment on your last column was by a mutt who was totally asinine.
Thanks for your hard work. Enjoy your new beat. You’ll be missed.
By ............................................BuLLdawg
June 4, 2008 4:07 AM | Link to this
Georgia Tech ran up its 2 more wins and 1 less loss than UGA playing 6 ACC teams who suck, while there are only 3 SEC who do.
5th best ACC better than SEC Champion Georgia Bulldogs. This was your statement pre-game. After Lipscomb, you wrote we could not stay on the same field. We shut you out 8 to nothing and then 18-6 with 6 Tech errors ended that statement about Lipscomb. You pointed out that Tech held a 2-1 advantage over UGA pre-game. Uh, if that is the point then, the point now that it’s over, is what Steve ? 3-2 UGA advantage. Well ?
As for how Georgia Tech feels that it cannot be discussed that Michael Hutts passed away from a heroin overdose, tell it the national press that they have no class.
Would you do that Steve ?
http://www.examiner.com/a-1421035~OlsonPoythressleadBulldogbatsExtHeadline_18GeorgiaadvancestoSuperRegionalwith186winover_Tech.html
June 2, 2008 at 10:54 p.m.
QUOTE :
“ Georgia Tech (41-21) ended a difficult year that included the heroine-related death of pitcher Michael Hutts on April 11. ”
UGA has a 62 percent winning percentage in NCAA Tournament Games including a 75 percent winning percentage over Georgia Tech.
Georgia Tech only has a 53 percent winning percentage in NCAA baseball Tournament games, including only a 25 percent winning percentage against UGA – including at Rusty Ole Chandler stadium.
Georgia Tech has only been the 3 College World Series ever.
Georgia, with 2 wins this weekend, will have been to 3 CWS in the last 5 years alone and twice as many as Tech total.
195-149-2 is the UGA record against Georgia Tech in Baseball. This 46-game UGA advantage over Tech in baseball, is primarily at Rusty Ole Chandler stadium.
By ............................................BuLLdawg
June 4, 2008 4:13 AM | Link to this
QUOTE :
By Steve
June 3, 2008 10:17 AM
In all reality UGA should not have hosted a regional. Tech had a better record, a much higher RPI, and beat UGA 2 out of 3 in the regular season. If Tech hosts, Tech wins. UGA is a difficult place to play. I give the UGA players credit because they took advantage of the situation.
END QUOTE
UGA takes advantage of Georgia Tech fans trying to make excuses that don’t hold water and trying to cover up Georgia Tech’s embarrassment by saying we cannot discuss what the national press does 2 days ago.
Why does Georgia Tech not suspend your student-athletes for drugs but only a counseling session ? Why do you cover it up that his teammate said that it was known and his dad said it was known as well ? Why not allow the teammate to talk to the press after he said that ? Why not allow him to travel with the team and then not allow him to play the rest of the year ? So, that you can come in here and tell us we cannot discuss how Tech actually handled this situation ? It should have served as an example of what not to do. Instead, it serves as an example of how Tech covers it up and hopes it goes away. That’s classless.
As for the intelligence of your football and men’s basketball student-athletes compared to UGA, why then is it that once again this year that Georgia Tech’s APR of its football and men’s basketball teams are worse than UGA’s ? Can you explain that please ?
With more of your excuses and cover up, as you do trying to ignore that 2007-2008 Georgia Tech Lost 6 Football Scholarship for NCAA Probation Academic Cheating.
By ............................................BuLLdawg
June 4, 2008 4:16 AM | Link to this
You are a joke Steve trying to act so high and mighty about Georgia Tech’s athletic department and how it’s only a game, when you post daily how Tech is better than UGA at baseball, even after you LOSE AGAIN.
Then, try to cover up hit and run, leaving scene of accident, drugs in ashtray, drunk, and open container for the assistant director of player personnel, Joey Hamilton, for your new football coach by refusing to talk about it too. As you refuse to discuss that “the Georgia Tech home crowd grew inceasingly frustrated drawing several official warnings in the 2nd half losing to Boston College for throwing cups and other debris on the field.”
Yes. You have a lot of class.
Why don’t you admit how bad things are at Georgia Tech in your athletic department compared to UGA – especially drugs, academics and making excuses for losing like you just did Steve ?
By ............................................BuLLdawg
June 4, 2008 5:02 AM | Link to this
Steve, don’t give me this BS that Georgia Tech is a better at baseball than UGA, that UGA did NOT deserve to be the host, but Tech, and that if Tech had hosted, Tech would’ve won.
UGA has beat Tech 5 Consecutive NCAA Baseball Tournament games, including at Rusty Ole Chandler stadium.
By ............................................BuLLdawg
June 4, 2008 5:32 AM | Link to this
You try to make Tech out as a better baseball team based upon the RPI. The polls show that UGA is Number 13 in the nation in the NCBWA Poll, which shows Georgia Tech NOT even in the Top 25.
http://www.sportswriters.net/ncbwa/poll/
Tech, is as you see Number 26, twice as bad as UGA at Number 13.
By ............................................BuLLdawg
June 4, 2008 5:39 AM | Link to this
Collegiate Baseball Poll has Georgia Tech at Number 24 and UGA at Number 7.
http://www.baseball-news.com/polls/divI/currentpolldivI.htm
Georgia Tech’s Strength of Schedule is Number 63 and that includes losing 3 of 5 against UGA. UGA’s SoS is Number 40, again 23 places better for UGA than Tech.
http://www.boydsworld.com/baseball/isr/currentisr.html
So, Tech’s 2 more wins and 1 less loss are a direct result of the fact that UGA won 18 games against the Top 25 at 18-10 for the best record in college baseball this season, while Georgia Tech played in a conference with 6 of the teams unable to beat their way out of a wet paper bag in baseball. 6 ACC teams who are clueless at baseball this season.
6.
The ACC has 4 baseball teams this season and Georgia Tech is 5th. Virginia is considered 6th in the ACC, but Virginia was horrid this season against top teams. Virginia got a bid because they had a run in the ACC Tournament for a while there anyway. The other 6 are horrid this season Steve.
By ............................................BuLLdawg
June 4, 2008 5:56 AM | Link to this
Let me know when you are finished with making excuses for your losing, your academic issues in your athletic department, your lack of drug punishment, and classless posts on each of these 4 topics ?
By yellowblood
June 4, 2008 6:57 AM | Link to this
Mike,
Thanks for four great years. I actually shiver when I think of all the Tickle Piles that have been held during that time. I know, I know, we can’t beat the cesspool but we do have great Tickle Piles. THWG and good luck.
By Gordon
June 4, 2008 7:19 AM | Link to this
Bulldawg,
You seem to be fond of statistics. Can you provide these for me?
You mentioned that Tech had 2 NCAA probations in all sports in its history. How many does UGA have? I’ve never heard you mention that.
You mentioned that Tech has been to the CWS 3 times in its history, but UGA will have been 3 times in 5 years if they get there this year. Tech has missed going to the NCAA twice in the last 24 years, and both of those years was on the bubble. How many times has UGA missed going to the NCAA the last five years? How many times did UGA beat Tech in the season series between 1987 and 2000?
You mentioned UGA beat Tech in basketball this year. What is the all-time record between the two schools, and for the last 20 years? For that matter what is the baseball record for the last 20 years? How many times has each school been to the final four? To the NCAA’s?
You mentioned Joe Hamilton’s problems. How many UGA athletes, past or present, have been arrested for the same type problems? Wasn’t there another one recently? (Davis, maybe? It’s hard to keep up).
What evidence do you have, other than making light of the death of a 21 year old, that there is a drug problem in the Tech athletic department?
By Kendall
June 4, 2008 7:22 AM | Link to this
Over on the UGA page, they are writting about what the Dawgs have to do to make it to the CWS. What are you talking about on your page?…. Which season was the biggest disappointment. That, nerds, its priceless.
By Kendall
June 4, 2008 7:34 AM | Link to this
Hey Gordon, does the name Rueben Houston ring a bell? Calvin “toker” Johnson? As far as Joe goes, I cant remember a UGA EVER getting a DUI, Fleeing the scene of an accident, and having pot all at the same time.
As far as BB goes, you claim to be a HUGE BB school. We have 1 Final Four and 11 NCAA trips. How many DO you have, mighty BB school?
Baseball. You need to go and see how many times UGA has knocked the nerds out of the Regionals and Super Regional, you wont like the number. At all. You have have your regular season all you want, I will take our post season over yours any day of the week.
In regards to probations, one major. Thats it. EVERY school has a few minors, happens every day.
So, balls in your playing field now. I am sure you will E5 it. (do you even know what that means? You should after this weekend)
By uga fan
June 4, 2008 7:58 AM | Link to this
Dear Techies, as a true uga fan I wish to apologise for BuLLdawg—- he is a pompous windbag.He and certain other mouth breathers take the fun and respect out of a great rivalry. please do as we do on the uga blogs— just ignore anything he writes.
By Gordon
June 4, 2008 8:05 AM | Link to this
Kendall,
The numbers of athletes (recruits, active, and post-college) getting into trouble is not comparable. Yes, we have our cases and you mentioned a few of them, but you can’t sit there and say we have anywhere near as many. That was my point.
Also, you are just flat wrong on a few of your stats. UGA has been to the NCAA’s in basketball 8 times, Tech 14. Also, UGA has 4 major violations in both basketball and football. The most recent was basketball under Harrick. Tech has one in tennis and one in football.
In baseball, you are the Marlins and we are the Braves. You have beaten us 5 out of 7 times we have met in the postseason, we have been more consistent from year to year.
The point of my post was to show that we can pick statistics that favor us just as you can.
I congratulate UGA on their win this past weekend.
By Give Me a Break
June 4, 2008 8:07 AM | Link to this
UGA fans are gay liberals. LSU LSU LSU LSU LSU LSU LSU. Any puppies wanna comment on that? Go right ahead. 100,000 Cajuns can’t be wrong!
By Give Me a Break
June 4, 2008 8:19 AM | Link to this
uga fans are gay liberals! LSU LSU LSU LSU LSU LSU LSU LSU! Any puppies wanna comment on that? 100,000 cajuns can’t be wrong!
By ArkyTech
June 4, 2008 8:37 AM | Link to this
Wow. Such thoughtful discussion on this blog. Mike, I’m sure you’re really going to miss this aspect of covering Tech sports.
And best wishes covering the Thrashers……eh?
By btgt69
June 4, 2008 8:55 AM | Link to this
Good luck, Mike, we will miss your thoughtful insight to GT sports.
By Goldtimer
June 4, 2008 8:56 AM | Link to this
Mike,
Thanks for the good work. Too bad you will not be covering the team this year when we dominate the fleabags in every sport. Coach PJ will lead us to the promised land in his first year and put all the muttlovers on suicide watch. Go Jackets!
By CarolinaJacket
June 4, 2008 9:25 AM | Link to this
OK. A Ga. player got arrested last night. What we don’t need is another round, “Look at the thugs at UGA,” type messages. It happened at UGA, it could have happened at Tech, UT, Aub, UF, or even Presbyterian College. Let’s just acknowledge that and move on. We don’t need another Bulldawg rant, on either side.
By Phil
June 4, 2008 9:29 AM | Link to this
Enjoyed your work. Best of luck w/ the Thrashers.
By Carter S
June 4, 2008 9:33 AM | Link to this
“Making it oh, so sweet for most of the 3,518 fans inside the park and the hundreds of others outside, it came against archrival Georgia Tech, 18-6 Monday night. For those counting, and surely all those in red and black who can are, Georgia has a 6-2 record against Tech in the NCAA tournament this decade.”
Jeez, I crack myself up.
Toodles, poodles!
(BuLLdawg, I typed extra s-l-o-w-l-y just for you!)
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By Merlyn Brown
June 4, 2008 9:57 AM | Link to this
Mike, you did a good job on the Tech sports program. You were mellow-specific and captured the moment, every time. Those whose tirade onto this blog with extreme bitterness are somewhat demented. Good luck with the Thrashers.
By Merlyn Brown
June 4, 2008 9:58 AM | Link to this
Mike, you did a good job on the Tech sports program. You were mellow-specific and captured the moment, every time. Those whose tirade onto this blog with extreme bitterness are somewhat demented. Good luck with the Thrashers.
By quaildawg
June 4, 2008 10:26 AM | Link to this
Mike, Even though you wore “Yellow Colored Glasses” I sincerly wish you the best in your new assignment. Dadgummit! Now what will I do for humor? QD
By DWG
June 4, 2008 10:52 AM | Link to this
wow, buLLdawg is one miserable human being. I think someone should call the asylum or recind their internet privledges.
Good luck with the Thrashers Mike.
By George P. Burdell
June 4, 2008 10:57 AM | Link to this
Mike:
Thank you for all efforts and good luck in covering the Thrashers. You have provided great coverage and insight over the years and we appreciate it.
As far as Bulldawg goes, just ignore him. He had one moment of being classy when he said how tragic Michael Hutts death was. Ever since, he has been trying to use that tragic event to condemn every person associated with Tech. You will notice most of his long diatribes are posted between 2 and 5 a.m. which is a pretty sad commentary on his life. I would actually feel sorry for him if he had shown anything resembling class. The nice thing is that he tends to disappear from the blogs for a while when UGA has a loss to a South Carolina or Kentucky. Unfortunately, it never lasts and I’m afraid we are all in for many more early A.M. posts. Just remember you can always scroll down which will add to your overall quality of life and probably save you a few brain cells in the process.
By BigT
June 4, 2008 11:21 AM | Link to this
Hmmmmm….. a Ga. Tech Blog site and UGA piglets expressng their opinions.
I have always chuckled at the false comparison of grad rates and GPAs of UGA and TECH. I attended both schools. It is like comparing winding a yo-yo to rebuilding a Swiss watch. While the Techster is taking Calc and Chem, the Dawg is wrasslin’ with Freshman Algebra and Sociology.
The true benefits aare “downstream” when it comes to employment. We all know the outcome. The Dawg will be askin’, “Would you fries with that order?”
Best,
BigT
By BigT
June 4, 2008 11:21 AM | Link to this
Hmmmmm….. a Ga. Tech Blog site and UGA piglets expressng their opinions.
I have always chuckled at the false comparison of grad rates and GPAs of UGA and TECH. I attended both schools. It is like comparing winding a yo-yo to rebuilding a Swiss watch. While the Techster is taking Calc and Chem, the Dawg is wrasslin’ with Freshman Algebra and Sociology.
The true benefits are “downstream” when it comes to employment. We all know the outcome. The Dawg will be askin’, “Would you fries with that order?”
Best,
BigT
By GMW
June 4, 2008 11:22 AM | Link to this
Quote from Bulldawg “Tech also has a worse APR Academic Progress Rate than UGA again this year for football student-athletes.
Ditto for your men’s basketball team having a worse APR than UGA’s.”
It’s not too hard to make academic progress when most of your athletes are in majors like sports communications at UGA… may want to give that a thought.
By Tebow
June 4, 2008 11:44 AM | Link to this
By GMW It’s not too hard to make academic progress when most of your athletes are in majors like sports communications at UGA… may want to give that a thought.
The thought I am having is that 90% of the Tech footballers that I hear giving soundbites could greatly benefit from any type of communications course. They are barely understandable. The mutts that I have heard (God forgive me for saying this) are much more articulate. Maybe that explains the drastic margin that the mutts have over Tech in Rhodes Scholarships among student athletes.
By FranklinT
June 4, 2008 11:50 AM | Link to this
BigT get back in your miserable little cubicle and crank out those cads drawings. Quit stealing that 10.00 an hour your boss is paying you. Just because you went to Tech doesn’t entitle you to welfare. And speeking of downstream BigT, isn’t that where big stinkin turds like you finally come to rest.
By Doug
June 4, 2008 12:11 PM | Link to this
Dayum!! BigT(urd) was that you that just got bit%h slapped silly. Of course that does seems to be lifes destiny for most of you trade school patrons. Enjoy your trip “downstream” BigT(urd) LMAO!
By GMW
June 4, 2008 12:20 PM | Link to this
Tebow … please not this Rhodes scholarship argument again. Rhodes Scholarships are NOT meant for engineering and the sciences for the most part. This explains why UGA has more of them since it is more of a liberal arts school. Afterall, if you wanted to study engineering it would make more sense to go to the best engineering schools (Tech,MIT,Stanford,Cal,etc.). Don’t get me wrong, it is a wonderful accomplishment to be a Rhodes Scholar. I am just saying at a school for engineering and science it doesn’t make much sense. But it does crack me up how UGA uses that as a defense for their academics … so please keep using that excuse to boost UGA’s academic self-esteem.
As far as the other comment about communications, there is no hard evidence other than your “word” that it is even correct. So mostly … you are just talking out of your butt. Perhaps the reason the mutts are more articulate to you is because they are using redneck vernacular, of which you are probably quite familiar if you are a UF or UGA fan.
My previous argument was that it is easier to get higher APR ratings when your athletes are able to major in things that are of less academic rigor … this point should be pretty obvious.
By BigT
June 4, 2008 12:30 PM | Link to this
Piglets,
Yes, I did earn $10.00 per hour at Roadwaay workig my way through school in the ’60s.
I am retired. The Lord had blessed us and have approx $3.5 mil in the till.
Balls in your court, Frankie and Doogie.
By dcp
June 4, 2008 12:38 PM | Link to this
All of these posts are ridiculous. The subject was about a writer moving on to cover the Thrashers and every yokel comes out and starts firing off stats about how many games one side has won vs. the other one and denigrates into name calling. It is what it is - Knobler did a nice job covering Tech sports and was simply stating how much he enjoyed covering the program. That’s it - nothing more, nothing less. It’s not about who has more jail time, or who smoked drugs. People need to get lives, root for their teams, and chill.
By GTprof
June 4, 2008 12:42 PM | Link to this
Isn’t intelligence relative GMW? It has been proven time and again that aptitudes for certain disciplines are not indicators of overall intelligence. It is nothing more than an aptitude. Many of you that pride yourselves on this mythical illusion that calculus is the tell all of ones overall intelligence have glaring weaknesses in many other academic areas of aptitude. You only sound like sniveling whiners when you constantly feel the need to throw up your aptitude for math or science as making you superior to any other area of academic pursuit. You are no more intelligent than someone with a Law or business degree among many others. If you can, please give me empirical data that proves your case. Otherwise quit making yourself look like a scapegoating loser.
By Dan Gates
June 4, 2008 12:47 PM | Link to this
BigT…you are full of sh%t. If you had it you wouldn’t be talking about it. You take being a true GT wanna-bee to the absolute highest level. Enjoy you “downstream” journey BigT(urd) What a loser.
By JB
June 4, 2008 12:50 PM | Link to this
Mike, congrats on the promotion. I will have to say I am most certainly not a Tech fan but a Dawg fan; however, am a HUGE Thrasher fan along with a lot of people here in Atlanta and I look forward to reading what you have to say about the team.
By Angler
June 4, 2008 12:51 PM | Link to this
I saw BigT floating down the Hooch close to that treatment plant last Saturday. If I’d known it was you on your way downstream BigT, I’d at least said hi. Sorry about the slight.
By gtNC
June 4, 2008 1:02 PM | Link to this
Mike, congrats and best wishes. Thanks for your work over the years. I’d suggest ignoring these idiot posters, but after 4 years you’ve had some practice. Any news on who’s picking up the GT beat? Please don’t say Winklejohn…
By Tebow
June 4, 2008 1:13 PM | Link to this
The answer to this whole thing would be for Tech’s pitiful athletic teams to actually win something. If they ever do there won’t be a bunch of arrogant, legend in there own mind wannabees in here telling lies to boost their bruised little egos. These are the same guys in here that have caused Tech to be the black hole of coaching with their lack of support. Maybe it is their lot in life to carp and grouse about some imaginary mental superiority instead of having to actually be part of the solution at Tech by actually doing something to make it a winner. My guess is that Tech will keep losing and these guys will forever be in here compensating for their low self esteem with their constant self delusional glorification. Why is it you never hear guys like Billy Paine, the multitudes of Lawyers, Doctors, Rhodes Scholars, Academic All-Americans that were athletes at UGA having to be in here tooting their own horn. Because they are winners…unlike BigT and all the other excuse making losers from the trade school over on North Avenue.
By Bobby Jones
June 4, 2008 1:18 PM | Link to this
I had to wait FOREVER at the McDonalds drive thru line this morning and I was wondering why…
Now I know why, all the Georgia fans took a day off from work to post on an AJC Blog.
By George
June 4, 2008 1:29 PM | Link to this
By Bobby Jones
June 4, 2008 1:18 PM | Link to this
I had to wait FOREVER at the McDonalds drive thru line this morning and I was wondering why…
Maybe you should have gotten your fat, lazy, DUMB, azz out of that car and gone inside so you wouldn’t risk being late for your little cads operators position that your UGA boss was so kind to give you. A smart guy would have figured that one out. Of course you Tech guys have so much trouble navigating things that take a modicum of common sense that it was probably not an option for you. Some things you just can’t calculus your way out of or into huh, moron?
By GMW
June 4, 2008 1:30 PM | Link to this
GTProf … nothing you just commented on had anything to do with my argument.
1)I did not speak of intelligence, calculus, etc. My argument was that APR scores are highly relative because they depend on the academic progress of individual athletes (which depends on the athletes field of study). But if you care to defend why and how sports communications and the like is “difficult” I would love for you to explain it to me.
2)Never in my argument did I say that I pride myself on the “mythical illusion that calculus is the tell all of ones overall intelligence.” I agree that calculus is not the tell all of ones overall intelligence (and I made A’s in Calculus 1-3 and Differential Equations).
3)My point about the Rhode Scholar argument is that it is highly a comparison between apples and oranges. GT is an engineering school. UGA is the ag, liberal arts, etc stuff. So it is highly ridiculous to say that UGA is better or even as good as an academic school as GT because they have had more Rhodes Scholars. It would be the same as if I said that Purdue was better than UGA because they have had more astronauts from Purdue, even though UGA does not really have any study program that would lead towards that type of technical field.
4)I never made any comment on how I am more intelligent than someone with a law or business degree. However, your willingness to bring it up and argue such things begs the question of why. Ball is in your court…
By GMW
June 4, 2008 1:59 PM | Link to this
Tebow … I will translate your last post for the other UGA fans on here.
“I have run out of good arguments for how UGA has just as good and/or better academics than GT so I will now resort to useless rambling about how big of losers GT alumni are. Next, I will comment on how all alumni from UGA are winners because they are lawyers, doctors, and/or rhodes scholars. Also, I will state that it is obvious that noone who post on here is a doctor, lawyer, or rhodes scholar without any empirical evidence to support my claim.”
By GTprof
June 4, 2008 2:00 PM | Link to this
I do believe GMW that the whole gist of your comment was that math and science did not lend itself to higher APR scores. You did say that right? My point was that you are using math and science as an excuse for lower APRs when in actuality it has no bearing whatsoever. Once again GMW. You are also trying to play on semantics when everyone with an iota of common sense knows that when you throw out the math statement that it falls right into line with that same old calculus excuse that seems to have become the almost political mantra ingrained in apologists for a failing athletic program. Give it a rest GMW. It does not take a rocket scientist to know that your statement was a direct inference that life is so much harder for Tech athletes because of math and science therefore it explains away the fact that Tech athletes have lower scores than those at UGA who may be taking a curriculum that is just as tough to become, lets say, doctors. Could it be that in general tech athletes may be poorer students? Could it be that Tech’s athletic academic support system for student athletes has been a source of embarrassment to the school? Could it be GMW that across the board UGA is just a much better run athletic department with smarter people in charge that insure that UGA’s athletes perform well on the fields AND in the classroom. Could that be the real answer GMW?
By MIchael Adams
June 4, 2008 2:04 PM | Link to this
What is a UGA boss? I have never seen or heard of one? Please enlighten me. (Enlighten means to inform in case you were unaware.)(Unware means not aware.)
By GMW
June 4, 2008 2:27 PM | Link to this
GTProf … I am not saying that you are wrong in your statement. I am saying that you just can’t say the UGA athletes/alumni/etc are better/smarter/etc just by looking at APR scores and then assume that it settles the question. One must delve into the real issues, of which the common man will most likely never be exposed to the empirical evidence to support either side of the argument. I never said that “math and science did not lend itself to higher APR scores.” However, I would be willing to argue that most courses at Tech would/could/do have an influence on lower APR scores. Mostly, you are trying to put words in my mouth so you can use a bunch of loaded language to make an argument of which I made no mention. However, your last few questions I might be willing to answer Yes to. I would probably not say that tech athletes are poorer (or better) students than UGA athletes on average. Athletes are athletes. I would be willing to say, to a SMALL degree, that tech’s academic support system for student athletes is not up to par. But (math and science aside), if you are trying to say that UGA athletes have it as hard as Tech athletes overall I would argue a resounding NO.
By techmgr96
June 4, 2008 2:36 PM | Link to this
GTProf, ole GMW will have to break the calculator out to understand what you just said. It was way over the head of someone that has to do an equation to understand simple everyday logic. But kudos for being spot on. UGA does have a vastly superior athletic department populated by some really smart people and extraordinary business types. GT could learn alot about making an organization successful from those guys.
By exNFLplayer
June 4, 2008 2:53 PM | Link to this
GMW, now I am curious. What is your criteria for your resounding no that UGA players have it easier than Tech’s academically? There must be something specific that you can site. You are being very very general without giving specific reasons.
By GTProf
June 4, 2008 3:03 PM | Link to this
By GMW
June 4, 2008 12:20 PM My previous argument was that it is easier to get higher APR ratings when your athletes are able to major in things that are of less academic rigor … this point should be pretty obvious.
Ok GMW. I’m listening. If not the demon “calculus” argument, just exactly what is it you think makes Tech so much harder than UGA for athletes? “Science and math aside” (your words), what else could you possibly use to base your supposition on? My guess is that it is just that. Supposition. You want it to be true when maybe it is not. I had Reggie Ball and Joe Burns in my classes among others. Do you really think that they were being given a rougher road to hoe than a player at UGA?
By Edward Delacroix
June 4, 2008 3:10 PM | Link to this
PUHLEEZE GMW!!! You guys had 17 ineligible players that made it into their 4th and 5th years on campus and only had in some cases 2 years toward graduation. Damn right that kind of thing will boot your APR in the butt. So when you try to make the absurd statement that Tech athletes have it harder than UGA’s or anyone elses for that reason, I can give you at least 17 reasons that you are wrong. Sounds like they have it pretty easy to me. The NCAA had an issue with it too, did they not.
By GT
June 4, 2008 3:13 PM | Link to this
GTProf … what did you teach?
By exNFLplayer
June 4, 2008 3:23 PM | Link to this
Folks I normally don’t get into these non-football type arguments. But this time I can’t resist. I am from Atlanta and I had friends playing football at Tech. Believe me. They had it no harder than an athlete at any other school. Tech has football dummy courses just like every other Div. 1 school. I played with quite a few Tech grads during my 6 years in the league and never did they tell these woe is me I had it so tough in college tales that the Tech alum seems to have such a gigantic fixation over. Until you start talking to guys that played at schools like Stanford, Duke, Vanderbilt, and a few others you won’t hear talk about how tough college was. I know. I’ve lived it.
By GTProf
June 4, 2008 3:30 PM | Link to this
GT, I am a Dr. of Psychology. I know. It’s not calculus. lol!
By GMW
June 4, 2008 3:32 PM | Link to this
ok GTProf … my reasoning is that UGA has places to “hide” athletes. My argument is not that GT is harder than UGA for athletes because GT is hard all the way across the board. My argument is that GT is harder than UGA for athletes because at UGA they are provided with academic courses and majors in which to “hide” so they can pass and play on Saturdays, etc.
If you are in fact a Prof at GT, would you be willing to say that even the easiest majors at Tech are just as easy as ones at UGA? I would be willing to argue the opposite. The easiest at Tech are probably considered to be INTA, Stac, management, or maybe something else (you tell me). And you want to put sports communications and leisure studies on the same page? I am not saying that Tech doesn’t have “athletic majors” but I am saying that UGA’s “athletic majors” are not on the same page. For such arguments (mine or yours) there is no or very little empirical evidence for which you are asking … please enlighten me.
By old gold engineer
June 4, 2008 3:35 PM | Link to this
Mike Knobler, thanks for your coverage of GT. Best wishes to you in your new assignment. GT news is fairly scarce here in South Georgia, and I appreciate the work you did to keep us informed.
By Walter Hill
June 4, 2008 3:38 PM | Link to this
Maybe GMW is right. All of Tech’s scholarship quarterbacks were so stressed and strained by their tough academic life that none of them had the time to get a clue about how to run Paul Johnson’s offense. Either that or they are dumber than a box of rocks seeing as how a walkon QB was the best in the house this spring. Or was he on the UGA plan? LMAO! The myth is dead GMW. Shot to hell by the NCAA and a QB that couldn’t count to 4.
By GTProf
June 4, 2008 3:54 PM | Link to this
GMW, obviously we had alot of places to hide athletes. You forget the many very prominent football graduates of UGA that obviously went to school to get an education that would lead to success in life. Billy Paine and Frank Ros come to mind. Not to mention the many doctors, lawyers, etc. that obviously were not hid out in any program. Every program has it’s dilligent students that take the tough courses and those that just want to survive. Tech included. To say that it is tougher across the board is very arrogant GMW. And false. Calculus and these engineering majors, etc don’t qualify you to run the olympics does it GMW. Does it qualify you to do neuro surgery or become a high level exec marketing Coca Cola all over the world GMW? You just want to believe it because it makes you feel superior. Get a grip GMW. There are UGA grads you cannot dream of competing with. So tell me. What makes Tech so much harder. You keep spouting off the names of courses without knowing what other guys are having to take to become successful. You are no Damon Evans GMW. And he may not be capable of doing what you do. But get over this feel good faux fixation you have that Tech is so so hard for a student athlete. Academics has nothing to do with the fact that we are just not very good at alot of athletic activities anymore. It is just as logical an argument that our ugly campus is why we can’t win as it is that the reason is academics.
By Other
June 4, 2008 3:57 PM | Link to this
Edward Delacroix:”PUHLEEZE GMW!!! You guys had 17 ineligible players that made it into their 4th and 5th years on campus and only had in some cases 2 years toward graduation…I can give you at least 17 reasons that you are wrong. Sounds like they have it pretty easy to me.”
I understand it hurts the APR … and it should! That is a downright embarassment to the Institution. I think what GMW is trying to say is you need to go past this and say why? Why were 17 athletes grades so bad as to be deemed ineligible or whatever the case may be? Were they ineligible because they were just dumb and failed courses? Were they ineligible because of the rigor of (maybe even the easiest of) course work? etc…
By Tommy
June 4, 2008 4:04 PM | Link to this
Thank God the holy grail for the rest of the world isn’t the trade school curriculum. Life would be boring as hell for the rest of us. And by the way GMW, it is one thing to have it hard and another to actually learn something. That clearing house for Tech grads, the Georgia Department of Transportation is a shining example of stupidity in action. Not to mention those Tech engineered tiles that keep falling off the space shuttle giving those poor astronauts hotfeet. In a nutshell GMW. Losing in football has nothing to do with your academics. Could it be coaching, the fanbase, lack of support, sorry facilities, a campus that looks like a housing project. Whatever it is it’s not academics.
By Reggie Ball
June 4, 2008 4:20 PM | Link to this
Yo dawg! GMW! My boi! Props to exNFLplayer. He know what up. None of da other homies on this blog have da straight. Me and none a my posse even know da loc of that calcoolus place. We got bit%h slapped like pimped out hoes by da udder scool cause they wuz fly and we wuz lame. I preshate da day when I come on back to scool and get all da way to fo. Counting ta fo can get a brutha all twisted up when he try da go scool to.
By GMW
June 4, 2008 4:22 PM | Link to this
GTProf … you are so far off topic now. You keep putting words in my mouth. Every time you post you get further and further away from my original argument. You go off on tangents that I can’t even begin to comment on because there is only so much time in a day.
I did not say every UGA athlete “hides”. I was stating that it is easier to “hide.”
Your comments about me being “arrogant” are so out of nowhere. I never said I was an engineer. I never said I was a scientist. I never said I was qualified to run the olympics, to be a high level exec, or that I even wanted to be Damon Evans (where did that come from?). I never said that academics was the reason we are not as good at athletics. Then you go and make comments about UGA’s pride and joy of their athletic alumni. This is absurd … you just made up well over %50 of your argument over something I did not even say.
All of your “success” examples are of the highest quality of UGA athletics. But your vision is being limited by those extreme examples. My point of view was never that GT is hard across the board (Quote:”My argument is NOT that GT is harder than UGA for athletes because GT is hard all the way across the board.”) Maybe you just misread that … I didn’t state that in the best manner to explain my reasoning. I was saying GT is not hard across the board but that the lowest plank on that board is well above the lowest plank at UGA … hope that is a better explanation.
By GTProf
June 4, 2008 4:24 PM | Link to this
GMW it has been nice speaking with you but I have to go try to get some grant money tonight. See ya.
By THWG
June 4, 2008 4:25 PM | Link to this
Mike….I appreciate your efforts over these past 4 years. It’s a shame that the classless buttsniffer fans deem it necessary to inject their mindless jibberish into every GT related story/blog posted. So I say this to you UGAg fans: Go back in your trailers, polish that 1980 Belt Buckle, down a Pabst Blue Ribbon and french kiss your sister….your normal nightly ritual.
By Mike Knobler
June 4, 2008 4:32 PM | Link to this
TechRules
Thanks. You do get used to it after awhile.
ArkyTech
Thanks. I guess you could say I’m switching from Budweiser to Labatt’s or Molson … eh?
btgt69
Much appreciated.
Goldtimer
Thanks. That’s a bold prediction. I’ll be watching to see if it comes true.
Merlyn Brown
Thanks. I’ve had some great moments to attempt to capture, including Calvin Johnson’s freshman-year game at Clemson and his catch at N.C. State, Bryan Shelton and MaChelle Joseph taking the women’s tennis and basketball programs to unprecedented success, Danny Hall’s amazing streak of ACC series victories, Tashard Choice’s back-to-back 1,000-yard seasons …
QD
I don’t know about the gold-colored glasses part, but thanks. And I hope you laughed with me, not at me.
George P. Burdell
I appreciate it. I wonder if someone will invent a mythical Thrashers player?
JB
Glad to hear from a Thrashers fan. I don’t consider my job change a promotion, just a change. Covering Tech is a top job in our sports department, IMHO, as is covering the Thrash.
gtNC
You’re welcome. I don’t have any early line on who will be writing most of the Tech football stories. That decision is beyond my payscale.
old gold engineer
As a former South Georgia resident (Savannah 1985-86) I know what you mean about finding Tech news. It has been good to have you as a reader and blog commenter.
By GMW
June 4, 2008 4:37 PM | Link to this
Tommy … I just said that our lack of athletic prowess had anything to do with academics. My entire argument (if you go back to the beginning) is that APR scores are highly relative and for someone (Bulldawg - original post) to brag about them as if to say UGA is better than Tech academically because of them … is completely absurd. But instead you go and make assumptions and absurd remarks about the GDOT and the space shuttle (Where did that come from?)…Wow
By Joe Hamilton - A Tech Alum
June 4, 2008 4:43 PM | Link to this
Well, the Thrashers are a considerable step up from Tech. I mean nobody really watches and cares for either one, but it is like moving from the outhouse to the penthouse.
By Zeke
June 4, 2008 4:43 PM | Link to this
In simple terms that even you can understand GMW. No matter what you said or how you said it your point was the same old sad BS story that Tech can’t win because of your academics. You losers always bring it around to that. Well GMW you just keep on taking that academic feel good pill and the rest of us will stay high on kicking off on your bee butts year after year. The difference now is about as wide as the Grand Canyon and getting wider by the day. Quit whining. Quit firing coaches. Quit throwing things at the opposing teams like a bunch of spoiled brats. Make things better instead of crawling on your knees like sniveling sissies. You don’t win at Tech because you guys have forgotten how. And it looks like you prefer to scapegoat academics instead of making Tech a winner again. Show us that Tech brilliance. Engineer a winning team. Or do we have to send Damon Evans over there to show you calculus gurus how?
By GMW
June 4, 2008 4:45 PM | Link to this
Rephrase: I just said that our lack of athletic prowess had NOTHING to do with academics.
By Billy
June 4, 2008 5:05 PM | Link to this
GMW,
You have to understand that GTProf doesn’t even teach a “real” science (how psychology is in the college of sciences is beyond me). Real scientists should be offended.
But it would be nice of him to provide some examples of where they “hide” athletes at GT. In my time there, I never saw an “easy” class. Plus, unless I’m mistaken, everyone has to take SOME science courses at GT. I wonder which of his colleagues that he’s accusing of being easy on athletes? Or maybe since he mentioned having some football players in his class, that’s where they hide the athletes.
Plus, his comment about the “ugly” campus makes me question whether he’s even at GT anyway. I don’t know many actual professors who have time to sit and comment on blogs for almost 4 hours.
By BigT
June 4, 2008 6:02 PM | Link to this
B(UGA) Arses,
Thanks for loggin’n to the Blog and continuing to show your intellect (lack of). The jealousy and hate is so apparent - God bless your tormented souls.
BTW, I saw Angler’s toothless mama, Bertha, his hairy-backed wife, Myra, and two mole-covered daughters, Effie and Scrotuma, on a raft (John Deere tire-tubes) on the ‘Hootch. What a site. Those wenches were cussin, chawin’, and fussin’ mightily.
Cobb’s finest had to subdue them with mace and a net. Bertha put up a scrap and bit an officer on the ankle. She caught a piece of his hickory up ‘side her big ‘ol noggin - the stick splintered. The officer is currently being treated for rabies and tetanus.
Ol’ Angler must feel mighty proud.
Later,
Big T.
By Vespula
June 4, 2008 7:03 PM | Link to this
GMW…your first mistake was actually reading BuLLcrap. Second, third etc was posting over and over.
By CarolinaJacket
June 4, 2008 9:00 PM | Link to this
Billy, you know as well as I that GTProf is no Tech professor. He can make his absurd statements while hiding behind his phony blog name, but, under this system, anybody can do that. It’s kind of sad, but it does let a jetk spew his anger and absurd comments.
By quaildawg
June 4, 2008 9:04 PM | Link to this
Mike, Having read some of the ridiculous stuff above I am sure you are relieved that you want have to put up with this crazy stuff anymore. BTW- Laughed with you, sometimes at you, but mostly laughed at the Techies as they wriggled in pain over the past seven years. Hey at least they can hold up the womens softball team as the torch bearers for Tech Athletics!!! :)
By Jan Kemp
June 4, 2008 11:25 PM | Link to this
Georgia has no courses to hide atheltes. None. 0. We have no easy majors at UGA. Furthermore, they do not let anyone in who cannot read or write at an 8th grade level or better. Every UGA football player will be able to get a job at the Post Office or better after graduation.
Damon, Thanks for my monthly check!
By ............................................BuLLdawg
June 5, 2008 1:23 AM | Link to this
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The Georgia Institute of Technology does NOT have better student-athletes than The University of Georgia, not on either side of the equation.
Now, as for this argument nerds want to be true that it’s harder at Tech than it is at UGA, and that that is your excuse for BOTH LOSING to UGA in Athletics AND not being very good students in your field of studies compared to The UGA student-athletes it is inarguable :
(1) That Tech cannot compete in athletics with UGA.
(2) That Tech’s student-athletes in football and men’s basketball are not as good at studying their fields of study as UGA football and men’s basketball student-athletes are at their studies.
(3) That Tech fans throw out this notion they wish to be true that Tech is harder for your student-athletes than UGA is for our student-athletes. When what is really true is that Tech recruits football and men’s basketball student-athletes who CANNOT DO THE CLASS WORK at Tech that you recruited them for.
(4) That what you are left with is an excuse-filled Tech fan base trying to explain away why UGA beat Tech in football, men’s basketball, women’s basketball, and now baseball to find UGA with the Number 14 Collegiate Division 1 Athletic Department in the latest Director’s Cup while Georgia Tech is Number 73 as of the May 29, 2008 standings.
(5) That you can’t face the facts that what is happening in your Georgia Tech Athletics Department in academics, drug issues, NCAA Probation for Academic Cheating, Academic Progress Rates of your football and men’s basketball student-athletes, competing in the classrooms, and competing in sports, is and should be a huge big disappointment to you Georgia Tech fans. Both of you.
By ............................................BuLLdawg
June 5, 2008 1:32 AM | Link to this
Instead, you come in here and think I asked the question : Why ?
I don’t care what the reason is that Tech cannot recruit student-athletes who can study the fields of study at Georgia Tech, and win. Were I to care, there are many such excuses for that in this blog. Let’s see. We heard that it is because there are 22 percent women in Tech’s student body compared to 55 percent at UGA. We heard that it’s because there are one-fifth of your student body Asians. We heard that it’s because you cannot and have not engineered one single solitary sports venue that’s nice. Not one. We’ve heard that it’s because you’re engineers when the facts of that are that 99 percent of your student-athletes are management majors, having not one thing in the world to do with engineering.
And, we have heard that it is because of your policy at Tech that drug offender student-athletes are given only a counseling session and no suspension.
Your athletic director states student-athlete privacy privilege and refuses to discuss, or allow to be discussed by the student-athletes themselves that there are known drug heroin use among your baseball team.
Don’t give me this high and mighty B.S. that Tech is recruiting these brain student-athletes who just happen to not be able to either first, do their studies in their field of study you recruited them for; and second, compete in athletics better than the Number 73 Athletic Department in the nation.
By ............................................BuLLdawg
June 5, 2008 1:34 AM | Link to this
Instead, you come in here and think I asked the question : Why ?
I don’t care what the reason is that Tech cannot recruit student-athletes who can study the fields of study at Georgia Tech, and win. Were I to care, there are many such excuses for that in this blog. Let’s see. We heard that it is because there are 22 percent women in Tech’s student body compared to 55 percent at UGA. We heard that it’s because there are one-fifth of your student body Asians. We heard that it’s because you cannot and have not engineered one single solitary sports venue that’s nice. Not one. We’ve heard that it’s because you’re engineers when the facts of that are that 99 percent of your student-athletes are management majors, having not one thing in the world to do with engineering.
And, we have heard that it is because of your policy at Tech that drug offender student-athletes are given only a counseling session and no suspension.
Your athletic director states student-athlete privacy privilege and refuses to discuss, or allow to be discussed by the student-athletes themselves that there are known drug heroin use among your baseball team.
Don’t give me this high and mighty B.S. that Tech is recruiting these brain student-athletes who just happen to not be able to either first, do their studies in their field of study you recruited them for; and second, compete in athletics better than the Number 73 Athletic Department in the nation.
By ............................................BuLLdawg
June 5, 2008 1:38 AM | Link to this
You are not nearly the Athletic Department of the Student-Athletes than The University of Georgia is. Don’t try to fool yourself, as you have been taken to the cleaners in the blog by we UGA grads on the topic.
Take a look at the list :
http://nacda.cstv.com/autopdf/photos/schools/nacda/sports/directorscup/autopdf/May29DIStandings
There are all kinds of far harder Universities than the Georgia Institute of Technology on this list, all far higher ranked than Number 73 in the Directors’ Cup Standings as of May 29, 2008 as Georgia Tech is.
And, their fans will not settle for having their football and men’s basketball student-athletes have worse latest Academic Progress Rates than UGA and get utterly destroyed in sports.
Then, there are you excuse-filled fan base trying to explain it all away.
You should do something about it. Shouldn’t you ? Why not start with having the same drug suspension policy of the Athletics Department you admit is far superior to your own ? Think about where you are in the slums down there.
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By joemamma
June 5, 2008 9:27 AM | Link to this
Hey, mutt, somewhere in your enthusiasm for posting records, wins, etc. and pointing out the Tech pitcher, you forgot to mention Herschel Walker has admitted to walking around in high heels in Milledgville, hearing voices and wanting to hump his heisman. That stinkhole of a college is now opening a bail bondsman major, and the first client is Odell. As for academics, a rounding error is one thing, having an entire school (Jan Kemp) for retards under the watchful eye of dipstick Vince is another, so dont talk to us about cheating. Now to the main question, Mr. Tough Bulldog - when did you play either baseball or football? Did you have a personal hand in these streaks you are so proud of? Didn’t think so, you are one of the Jiffy Lubers running to work in Hahira with your G flags fluttering who is a wannabe bandwagon jumper.
By George P. Burdell
June 5, 2008 9:45 AM | Link to this
Glad to see my comments encouraged Bulldawg to post at 1:30 a.m. rather than his usual 3 or 4 a.m. Seriously Bulldawg, get some help. Staying up drinking all night and posting worthless commentary on web blogs is all-in-all pretty pathetic.
By Odell Thurman
June 5, 2008 9:52 AM | Link to this
Hey BuLLDawg, can you give me a ride to Roger’s office? I have a test I need to take…not really sure what kind of test it is but it can’t be any harder than those Truet-McConnell tests.
help me out man i have been out of the league for TWO years now. monticello fight club ain’t cuttin it.
By Outsider
June 5, 2008 9:52 AM | Link to this
I’ve only been in Georgia for a short period of time. Early observations tell me that UGA is right at the top in overall athletic team performance. The football program just gets better and better and has one of the premier coaches and coaching staffs in the nation. Georgia Tech? Who the heck are they anyway?
By Allen
June 5, 2008 9:56 AM | Link to this
joemamma, you have the worst case of foaming at the mouth pen^s envy that I have ever seen. What is that stuff running from the corners of your mouth anyway?
By Practical Man
June 5, 2008 10:41 AM | Link to this
Tech fans, let’s face it. You do whine. Instead of doing something to fix your PERCIEVED competitive disadvantage because of some PERCIEVED insurmountable academic issues you prefer to carp over these PERCIEVED disadvantages. Your academics come nowhere close to those at Duke, Vanderbilt, and quite a few others that never ever whine and cry like a bunch of spoiled brats with an overinflated idea of where they went to school. They deal with it. Tech fans just do nothing. Fire the coach. Don’t go to games. Cut off donations. What’s next girls? The answer is simple. Work for change that would allow you to overcome your PERCIEVED disadvantage. If that is not appropriate for you, take the logical course and just give up big time intercollegiate athletics. Duke doesn’t whine. Vanderbilt doesn’t whine. So why do you? Cause techsters you ain’t even close to being Duke. Yeah. We know. Calculus. LMAO!
By KC Kid
June 5, 2008 11:12 AM | Link to this
Hey Outsider - welcome to Georgia. You’ll fit right in with the camo hat, skoal chewing Georgia fans that have never gone to school there, or anywhere else. You’re right though, UGA has it going on in athletics right now. So join the bandwagon while it’s good. Here’s what to expect - predict a fball national championship every year, then make excuses when it doesn’t happen - again!
By Xavier
June 5, 2008 12:06 PM | Link to this
You techmites know all about excuses don’t you KC Kid? Ready for that yearly football beatdown KC? What is it now? 7 in a row going on 8?
By KC Kid
June 5, 2008 12:48 PM | Link to this
Xavier,
Did you see an excuse in my post? I said UGA has it going on right now. CMR is a class act. I graduated from Mizzou, so I really don’t give a rip about UGA or Tech. But having lived in Atlanta for 25 years, I can tell Outsider he’s a bandwagon jumper, and that a lot of UGA fans are dilusional every year. And a lot of them are obnoxious as all get out, and never went to school there or anywhere else. Take for instance the ones that get on another schools blog and make fun of kids dying from a drug overdose, or you for that matter. And yeah, I’d rather my kid get a degree from Tech than UGA, especially if they want Engineering. If you’re new to the area, it’s easy to be a Georgia fan. Can the ACC compete athletically with the SEC in football? Not really , they’re different kinds of schools. And yeah, it looks like number 8 coming this year. You guys better hope so or you’re going to look even dumber than normal.
By Michael Cameron
June 5, 2008 1:00 PM | Link to this
Mike Knobler
Thank you for four years of quality writing while covering Tech athletics. While I occasionally disagreed with your perspectives, you were never boring and were sometimes clever. I sent you an email several football seasons ago and you promptly responded with a courteous reply. I met you in person at a Tech spring football practice a few weeks back and you were quite approachable and down-to-earth. You seem to be a jolly good fellow (I don’t know if you drink your whiskey clear!) and you are a very talented writer who employs easy-to-read grammar and syntax. I hope you enjoy reporting on the Thrashers, and I wish you continued success with your journalism career….Michael Cameron
By to outsider
June 5, 2008 1:02 PM | Link to this
Hey Outsider,
Who the heck are we?
Well, have you ever heard of the Heisman trophy. Heisman was a coach at Tech.
The Bobby Dodd Coach of the Year Award? He is a Georgia Tech legend.
The Homer Rice Athletics Director Award? You guessed it.
We have the oldest college football stadium in the country.
We were the first team to win all four major bowls.
Our fight song is known worldwide and has been in several movies.
We have four national championships, countless All-Americans, and several SEC and ACC conference championships.
Sorry, but our tradition is nothing to sneeze at, who are you to ask who we are?
By HomeDawg
June 5, 2008 1:40 PM | Link to this
Heisman Awards: Georgia 2; tek 0
Dodd Awards: First one awarded to Vince Dooley. tek has won a couple on some homecookin’. Ross maybe, but O’Leary?
Rice Awards: Neither, but it’s just the AD.
Oldest Stadium: Big deal if you can’t fill it. Sanford Stadium: 5th largest on-campus stadium, always filled.
Dawgs have gone to all major bowls. Still go to them as BCS bowls. tek? Not so much.
Didn’t know “When You Say Bud” had been in any movies. Uga has been in movies, on the cover of SI, attended the Heisman banquet, been Mascot of the Year (and doesn’t need inflating), and I’m pretty sure our fight song is recognizable
Have 23 (and counting) national championships, numerous All-Americans, 120+ SEC championships of many flavors, and wouldn’t want any acc types
I need a Kleenex; just sneezed.
By idiots
June 5, 2008 2:00 PM | Link to this
Hey idiot, the guy asked who we were, nobody asked who you were. I never said Georgia didn’t have tradition also. In fact, my post didn’t mention your beloved dogs at all. Have a nice day idiot.
By CarolinaJacket
June 5, 2008 2:14 PM | Link to this
But we have a Look Magazine whose cover has Marilyn Monroe in a Tech sweatshirt on it. I still have it — a classic. We will concede some of the other facts, even though we could make a pretty good list ourselves.
By HomeDawg
June 5, 2008 2:18 PM | Link to this
Just confirming that Outsider’s initial impressions were totally correct (and you and I both know he/she really isn’t an outsider, right?)
By idiot
June 5, 2008 2:28 PM | Link to this
Yeah, they probably aren’t an Outsider, I just wanted to make a point that despite the awful 7 year losing streak to the in-state rival, Tech has a long winning tradition believe it or not. I’m not trying to get in a p** contest between athletic departments, even though in some sports I believe we could hold on our own, but that’s for another day.
By Techater
June 5, 2008 2:53 PM | Link to this
Mike, who did you p** offf. Ga Tech to the Thrashers? One loser to the next. After reading your article I think you participated in one too many “Tickle Piles” Careful on that ice in those Thrasher piles.
By outsider
June 5, 2008 4:21 PM | Link to this
to outsider: I guess I’m just somebody that has to rely on recent history to quantify your present worth. An Atlanta resident informed me that you are the team that totally embarrassed yourself with your fan support at the ACC title game. That you are the team that lost the Emerald Nut Bowl, got inihilated on some blue rug out in bumfuc* Idaho and has lost to your in state rival 7 straight times and probably may never beat them again as long as that Richt guy is in Athens. Are you the team that can’t fill that little cracker box stadium that could appropriately be renamed Grant’s Tomb? Are you that bunch of renegades that played assorted ineligible players for 7 years and then pled ignorance? Are you the team with the fans that come to occupy the premium seats dressed as invisble men. Wouldn’t just wearing a bag on your heads be better? Are you that team that had the dumbest QB to ever play college football? The guy that couldn’t count to 4? Are you the team that had the cornerback indicted on felony drug charges and still started? Are you that school with the non-existent drug testing program. Are you the team that had the all galaxy wide reciever and just totally wasted the guys talent? Are you the team that lost to Duke something like 44-10? The team that seems to thoroughly enjoy getting beat 51-7? There were some other things like being the school that had a linebacker and a 300lb lineman beat the hell out of some 100lb girl in a pizza parlor and didn’t even draw a suspension. He did point out a few more things but the good news is now I know who you are. But if I were you I wouldn’t tell the rest of the country. But I do offer my condolences for the rotting corpse that might have once been GT football. May it rest in peace.
By thanks
June 5, 2008 4:50 PM | Link to this
Wow, thanks for the history lesson. You really know your stuff. You are a fine representation of your school. It sounds like you been holding that inside for so long, such animosity. Do you feel better now?
By ............................................BuLLdawg
June 5, 2008 6:12 PM | Link to this
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So, what are you saying Tech fans ?
That you used to be good ?
That Georgia Lost 6 Scholarships in football 2007-2008 for ACADEMIC CHEATING ?
That there is something funny or not about having a baseball player, who Danny Hall NEVER played, who should have pitched against us instead of the nerds you sent to the mound to Lose your 5th consecutive NCAA Tournament Game to UGA, many of which were AT Georgia Tech, but that he was known to his roommate as a heroin addict, and to his dad; but, that Tech somehow with NO DRUG POLICY AND NO PUNISHMENT OF SUSPENSION FOR ANY DRUG VIOLATION did not know that he was a known heroin user ?
That you don’t know that both UGA and Tech have 6 National Championships in football listed in the NCAA Official Records Book Division 1-A, both with the same polls ranking either UGA or Tech six (6) times each; but that Georgia Tech **has NEVER ever Won the AP Poll National Championship in football, but that UGA has ?
I mean just what is it you are saying Tech fans ?
That Reuben Houston, who admitted he was on Tech’s campus with his son in his lap, driving his known drug dealing friends to a place in the slums by Tech’s campus to sell their 93 lbs. of drugs in the van when he jumped from it, 2 weeks later started against UGA in the Tech UGA football game ? After he was arrested mind you.
Assistant Director of Player Development for your NEW football coach, Coach PAUL JOHNSON takes his 1st paycheck buys drugs, gets DUI, hit and run, leaves scene of accident, and that is your Assistant Director of Player Development, Joey Hamilton.
That you agree that UGA’s Athletic Department is far superior to Georgia Tech’s both on the field and in the classrooms for your football and men’s basketball players, but that you are better than UGA ?
By ............................................BuLLdawg
June 5, 2008 6:15 PM | Link to this
I am so lost.
Bowl Games ? Now, some Tech fan wants to talk about bowl games when Tech has LOST 3 in a row ?
What in the hell kind of drugs do you Tech nerds do to come in here and discuss these items ?
Pray F’ing tell us all.
7-6 that is your football record.
The year before you lost 5 games.
The year before that you lost 5 games.
The one before that you lost 5 games.
The one before that you lost 6 games.
The one before that you lost 6 games.
The one before that you lost 5 games.
Every single one of these years, you lost to UGA, in a row.
And, your football players have a worse APR than UGA’s football players.
You Lost 6 Scholarships for Academic Cheating 2007-2008 football season.
And, your point is what ?
That UGA has to make excuses for why we came in Number 2 in the Final AP Poll 2007-2008 and start the season consensus average Number 1 in the Preseason Polls, and kick your football player’s drug addict butts in the classroom with a far higher Academic Progress Rate than Tech’s “student-athletes” who are recruited to Tech but cannot do the Tech course work either ?
What is your point ?
QUOTE :
Tech fan (1 of the 2 Tech fans anywhere) :
“ So join the bandwagon while it’s good. Here’s what to expect - predict a fball national championship every year, then make excuses when it doesn’t happen – again ” !
What’s your point ?
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By ............................................BuLLdawg
June 5, 2008 6:41 PM | Link to this
I presume the Tech nerds say while they are down there in slums of Atlanta, with no women at Tech - just Asians, and the fans making excuses for their consistent losses to UGA while never attending any sporting event at Tech nor attending any of your stinking bowl game Losses, that all they can do, is drugs.
By ............................................BuLLdawg
June 5, 2008 6:45 PM | Link to this
Because they obviously sure as Hell cannot study, high on drugs like they are in the slums of Atlanta, surrounded by drugs - not when both your men’s basketball and football “student-athletes” have a worse APR than UGA’s men’s basketball and football student-athletes.
By ............................................BuLLdawg
June 5, 2008 6:47 PM | Link to this
Quit covering up, and making excuses for your “student-athletes.”
By shane #1
June 5, 2008 8:32 PM | Link to this
Mark, thanks for Your hard work. I am a UGA fan but I enjoy Your blogs and I have noticed that You post something almost every day. I don’t post on this site very often, but I always read and enjoy Your work. You desrve a promotion to the Pro ranks because You turn out so much more work than anyone else at the AJC, except maybe for Tony. In My book, You and Tony are pretty much equals. Tech fans, I would like to thank You for not joining in the feeding frenzy in progress on the UGA blog. I don’t remember any Tech fans joining in the character assasination and race baiting on the Jeremy Lomax blog. BuLLdawg, Why don’t You go over to that blog?There are Gators and Vols and Gamecocks just itching to do verbal battle. Your talents could be well used there.
By buLLdog is buLLcrap!
June 5, 2008 8:34 PM | Link to this
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By Jesus Christ.............BuLLdog
June 5, 2008 9:30 PM | Link to this
BuLLdog, one thing comes to mind, inferiority complex. You’re a sad person. You live your life through UGA, don’t you? What have you ever done as an individual? Probably not much. Your like a c0ck block, you put others down, to build yourself up. Grow up.
By Goo Gaah
June 5, 2008 11:01 PM | Link to this
Look, Tech lost and lost and lost again. But we all to get up and go to work, eat, poop, and take care of our children. Times are cyclical. Just remember the 90’s when Tech won often against many UGA teams in football, baskeball was a joke, and we demolished you in baseball. So I wait for that cycle to turn back around. Hopefully not before h-ll freezes over. But that’s the definition of a true knowledgeable fan. Keep hope knowing are building a good foundation in football and your baseball team still made the regionals in a down year in terms of talent.
By ............................................BuLLdawg
June 6, 2008 1:55 AM | Link to this
You are NEVER going to cycle BACK to when Georgia Tech was any good with your student-athletes as long as your fans don’t go to the bowl games, don’t go to your own sorry excuses for sports venues you have seen fit to “engineer,” attempt very poorly to cover your heroin use on your baseball team that led to one player’s death already, refuse to insist that the Georgia Institute of Technology finally for the 1st time ever actually punish your “student-athletes” for drug problems, quit playing against us your Rueben Houstons who confessed that he jumped from the van taking the drug dealers with the 93 lbs. of drugs in the van with his son his lap on Tech’s campus so that they could sell the drug deal he alone could and was arranging for them right there in the slums surrounding Georgia Tech chalk full of drugs as everyone is totally aware and then playing him 2 weeks after his confession against UGA in football and still losing, quit making excuses for your worse APR in football than UGA, quit making excuses for your worse APR in men’s basketball than UGA, quit trying to not discuss every single major embarrassing and deplorable conduct within your Athletics Department hoping it will go away in time by not discussing it like it never happened or isn’t horrendous for the Georgia Institute of Technology’s once now gone reputation such as Losing Six (6) Scholarships in Football 2007-2008 as the Georgia Institute of Technology’s 2nd Major Infraction Database Probation, sending your worthless fans into the UGA blog daily each time with a different handle acting like you are really fans of this team or that team instead because you are so totally humiliated and mortified by the change in your Athletics Department now-a-days anymore, attacking personally posters who make their damn points to you in spades that Tech’s Athletic Department not only is Number 93 in the All-Sports Directors’ Cup Trophy but far worse has lower APR than UGA’s football and men’s basketball programs by direct contrast, and making up excuses for Losing Anyway.
By ............................................BuLLdawg
June 6, 2008 2:06 AM | Link to this
Look you dimwits. You came over the UGA blog and bragged and bragged how we lost to David Lipscomb college in baseball and how instead you beat Louisville (whom we promptly beat too) when you had not and still have not beat UGA in now 5 Consecutive NCAA Baseball Tournament Games including SEVERAL at Rusty Ole Chandler stadium, and then promptly got shutout 8 to nothing and swamped 18-6 by us, only to whine… Waah, if the game was at our stinking venue, we would have won; UGA didn’t deserve to be host but Tech with our Number 63 Strength of Schedule 25 places worse than UGA with just 2 less wins and 1 more loss; never mind that UGA had and has a 46-game advantage in baseball over Georgia Tech there was a time there for a year or two not all the way back to the beginning and certainly not now but hey in the middle there for a year or two Georgia Tech actually won in baseball; forget about UGA having a National Championship College World Series Championship Georgia Tech is better because we always lose in the NCAA Baseball Tournament when UGA didn’t always get in; and, now that UGA does get in we kick your proverbial teeth in again and again and again and if we beat NC State twice starting noon today UGA will have been the CWS in the last 5 years as many times as Georgia Tech baseball has all together all-time.
Your Academics in your Athletics Department are really appalling. Your drug policy of sending the offender to a counseling session and no suspension so no one will find out how bad the drugs are down there in slums like we don’t know, is a beastly policy. Your recruiting of student-athletes for your area of studies they then cannot do the work in for your football and men’s basketball recruits compared to UGA is offensive for us to read that you think and say so that Tech is so much better academically. Your throwing of cups and debris at the Boston College Football Game last year so that the officials time and time again had to stop the game and issue warnings to you, demonstrating exactly what you demonstrate in the UGA blog and in this blog for all to see, is further revolting vile and disgusting – only to watch you have the unmitigated gall to say to me to go away and leave you to be happy in your ignorance and denial of it all, such as now today even your NEW FOOTBALL COACH PAUL JOHNSON hires as his ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF PLAYER PERSONNEL little Joey Hamilton who DUI, drugs in his ashtray, leaves the scene of the accident, open container and you Tech fans (both of you) just make excuses for Paul Johnson too.
You can continue to do all these unspeakable disgusting acts in your Athletics Department for all I care. How in the hell do you think it looks when your new women’s basketball coach after she got her players’ butts beat again by Coach Andy Landers’ gals, when then Coach Landers walked over after the game with his hand held out for her to shake on national TV for everyone to see including you, and she sees him coming and refuses to shake his hand.
You have become the laughing stock of Collegiate Athletic Departments and just gets worse and worse daily to no end.
It’s your fault. The fans of Georgia Tech. Both of you.
By santa3247
June 6, 2008 3:20 AM | Link to this
Hi,I’m Seong-Ho,Yoon living in Jinhae City southkorea now.
AJC.com brave bulletin I can’t write from yesterday now.
Something fraude exist I sensed and I want to send messege to people of Atlanta Braves.
I didn’t meet and talk with any people of USA from past to now for important things.
I didn’t receive any money from people of USA. Keep in mind.
Babylon now can threathen my families and relatives freely. Keep in mind.
May the force of Messiah be with you
P.S:P.S: Below is my blog’s some article
Freemason
Theseday it is easy for you to read articles about freemason ruling whole world in the web. But, really speaking, this is trick of the most malevolent Babylonian living in korean peninsla for the purpose of imputating their sins to freemason and the original culprit are Baylonian whose language is korean.
And what is Freemason?
[18Century passport of Freemason]
The painting upper direction was in the passport of Freemason in 1785. Look presicely.
In top-most, the world Justice exist. God is Conscience and Justice sense.
In the below, Someone’s face is painted like Sun, and the middle of his forehead is wide, dark eyebrow, nose a little wider than the white, and you can find this face is something like Asian. Yeh Solomon, Osiris, Messiah,Lion’s face.
In the below again, Isis and another wife exist, and in center of both located Pheonix which means the guardian of Isis.
In the left side, Pyramid is and in right You can catch the flags of Judah’s 12tribe.
The sentence of script I can’t read for this word I don’t know well. ^*^
After all, this Freemason meant that people who didn’t forget Solomon and waited Osiris, and they were connected with Judah’s 12Kingdum. They knew so well about reality theeseday I am writting over the world.
[Article about Messiah]
And upper document someone wrote I think you need to contact, but never easily you could meet with them I think. But, they don’t know this fact “Allah is Messiah” and they would be people of Judah. The good people have to hand in hand with them, and you can’t trust people who don’t want to meet and help me, if they would avoid me they must be slave or descendant of not Judah but Israel. Person who can’t talk about Neutron and Resonance Schumann would be like witches and wizards who can’t tell “Voldmort” and you can’t trust them all and unbelievable. Originally Freemason pursuited the whole kinds of Justice about history, laws, economy, etc, and Freemason who chase Common Sense Babylon made must be slave or hyperjesus.
This Freemason was started to be fully attacked by Neutron from 1880’, so they caught the information about Neutron by intelligence office, they informed this secret to Judahs’ 12tribe’s Kingdums, World War1,2 were occurred by very this information You exactly have to know I think. Freemason informed the King of Japan and Japan invaded korean peninsla and southchina, but the insufficient information couldn’t defend themselves from implanting spy, therefore Implanted inslaved bosses of Japan attacked Hawai Island by the order from Babylonian who was living in north china and southafrica.
If Freemason would dislike the war about Babylon, that is proof of inslavery, because they were people who named Atomic Bomb to Neutron Clear Bomb. This fact the kings of Judah’s 12tribe couldn’t tell a nation for poor scientific knowledge, and they didn’t want to make nation to be horrified.
Mr.Obama is Freemason 32th degree I found article about him theseday. And he quit Jesus Religion. This fact is enormous hope to the good people in Asia around.
May The Bright Morning Star be with you Real Freemason ^*^
By jomamma
June 6, 2008 8:30 AM | Link to this
Hey Mutt, did I hear that Herschel Walker was seen in pantyhose outside of his double wide, challenging Steve Spurrier to come down and party with him? You take yourself much too seriously, and despite being known as Thug U, still can’t seem to get any respect, no matter how much you lower standards or buy players. All these posts, all the flag waving are you wannabe’s with no life begging for respect. None coming, not from us, not from UF, Bama, Tenn., USC, or anyone. Face it, you were born in the trailer with an inferriority complex, and for good reason. Cheating, thugging, shadow schools, lower childhood education societal help majors and a police blotter that reads like who’s who on the roster ain’t the way to go.
By Danny
June 6, 2008 9:06 AM | Link to this
Pretty good self portrait there joemamma. Kudos!
By Walter Hill
June 6, 2008 9:20 AM | Link to this
By CHIP TOWERS The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 06/06/08
They reside in different stratospheres, but their goals are the same — to sell every seat for every football game in their stadiums.
Every year Cearley is trying to figure out how to accommodate more spectators than he has room for. McLaren is working overtime just to get more to come.
That just about says it all doesn’t it folks. Win lose or draw Sanford Stadium is full. Grant’s Tomb? Well…… But that is a symptom of the biggest issue Tech faces. A sorry, bandwagoning fanbase. A majority of Tech fans are like that employee that everybody knows. Constantly moaning, whining, and complaining, but when the time comes to propose solutions and get to work fixing the problem, they are missing in action.
You have to respect the Saints fans that would attend games with bags on their heads to make a point. They had issues but they supported there team with their presence. Tech fans could learn a little from the “Ain’ts”.
By Zeke
June 6, 2008 9:27 AM | Link to this
The fish, seat cushions, cups and debri flying from the stands at Bobby Dud Stadium proves that Tech fans have absolutely no class. And some older guys may remember Bear Bryant wearing a helmet on the sidelines to protect himself from flying whiskey bottles illustrates that classless behavior is a longstanding tradition at the trade school.
By Cindy
June 6, 2008 9:41 AM | Link to this
Congats on the promotion Mike.
By ain't buying it
June 6, 2008 9:48 AM | Link to this
Sorry Zeke, you can point out these isolated incidents all you want, but Georgia fans will still be known all over the South has having the worst, classless fans. Everytime I go to Athens I see fights, fans yelling at kids of opposing teams, etc. I’ve never had a problem, but the stuff that goes on in Athens on gameday, especially if you’re losing, is not exactly a family environment to say the least.
So a couple of students threw cups on the field last year. I agree it was classless, and I was upset, but it wasn’t like it was the whole stadium. I mean your entire team ran on the field after a touchdown! What kind of sportsmanship is that. Sometimes behavior like that is expected from fans to a degree, but that was your entire team.
It is easy for you to point out our “empty stadium” etc. because your bandwagon is at an all time high. But it wasn’t too long ago that your stadium was half full as you barely edged out games against UCF. I know because I was there. Hopefully with the new coach our culture will change and the fanbase will get energized once again, kind of like what Richt has done. We’ll see. But I think some of you need to get off your high horse, because karma can be a b**.
By Thanks Mike
June 6, 2008 10:02 AM | Link to this
Thanks Mike for your hard work. I’ve enjoyed your articles the last couple of years. Good luck.
In regards to having class, I think you can just glance through the posts on this blog and it’s pretty obvious which fanbase has class and which one doesn’t.
By Buford
June 6, 2008 10:39 AM | Link to this
BuLL, are you sayng you like Tech?
By GT79
June 6, 2008 11:13 AM | Link to this
Not So Hot Ticket! That pretty much says it all doesn’t it? We have a new coach and our ticket sales are DOWN. Aren’t you the same crowd that cried and wailed like a bunch of little girls about Chan Gailey. Damn right you did. All it was going to take was Dan Rad getting rid of Chan and ticket sales would go through the roof. Well look what is happening. Just the opposite. No damn wonder we suck as fans. Way to go you blogging bigmouths. Prove every point ever made about the sorry state of the Tech fan base. Forgot to “renew my tickets” my butt! I bet the mutts don’t forget. It’s time for all you psuedo fans to put up or just plain STFU.
By Sam
June 6, 2008 11:22 AM | Link to this
ain’t buying it, I guess stadiums get to 90,000 plus capacity because fans aren’t filling existing seats, huh? That is a prime example of techmite logic. Get out your brain…I mean your calculator and do the math. Or if that is too difficult pull up the NCAA’s average attendance list. See where UGA ranks.
I also remember that “isolated” incident when so many seat cushions hit the field that the game had to stop to pick up the cushions. Haven’t they had to stop all non-food giveaways at Grant Field because you guys can’t resist throwing anything that doesn’t fit in their mouths? True or false moron?
By read
June 6, 2008 11:37 AM | Link to this
Sam, I’m not sure what techmite logic is, all I’m saying is that it wasn’t too long ago, that your stadium was smaller and less full. You’re obviously filling up the seats now, and like I said, I hope our new coach will energize the fan base and we will sell out as well. I don’t care how big your stadium is, you’re not going to have a lot of sell outs when you lose 4 - 5 games a year and lose to your in state rival. (see the Gailey years). I wish it wasn’t that way but that’s just the way it is for whatever reason. I have season tickets and so do nearly all the Tech fans I know so I’m doing my part. I would imagine ticket sales would be pretty high at Tech too if we were preranked #1.
By Amy
June 6, 2008 11:51 AM | Link to this
Other programs that have mediocre won-loss records manage to fill their stadium. What makes Tech so different?
By CarolinaJacket
June 6, 2008 11:57 AM | Link to this
“read”, the one exception to the rule about attendance being related to games won is deal ole South Carolina. Those fans are something else. They filled the stadium even when they couldn’t win a game. I don’t know of another school that did that year in and year out. Say what you want about USC, but that is loyalty.
By Amy
June 6, 2008 12:11 PM | Link to this
Exactly CarolinaJacket. No way no how would a coach like Steve Spurrier take that job if it weren’t for that great fanbase. Tech fans just don’t seem to grasp the fact that it all starts with a fan base that is going to be there through thick and thin 100% Anyone that thinks Tech hasn’t suffered because of the reputation of the fans is delusional. Does anyone actually believe that Dave Braine and D. Rad weren’t putting out feelers way before Chan got canned? Nobody any better wanted it folks. It was starting to get a little iffy whether or not Tech would find anyone that would take the job. And now that there is a decent coach on campus what is his biggest obstacle? Non-ticket buying fans. Is that the way to show support guys? Keep it up and watch things get worse fast. Recruits aren’t impressed by half full stadiums and half azz fan support are they?
By GT79
June 6, 2008 12:14 PM | Link to this
Mississippi State fills it up! MSU for christsakes! And we can’t? The best we can do is fill it up with Clemson, UGA, and FSU fans?
By Chad Edwards
June 6, 2008 12:32 PM | Link to this
read, you won a division title with 9 wins two years ago and the game was a few hours down the road and what happened? Tech fans didn’t go. To a championship game! Does that not say something. The attedance was so pitiful that bowl committees pray to God that they don’t get stuck with Georgia Tech. And that is indesputable fact.
By Joshua Barlowe
June 6, 2008 12:34 PM | Link to this
Thanks Mike, for all your hard work. You’re a great writer and a stand-up guy.
Just be thankful you aren’t be asked to cover the Dogs and their trailer park trash fans.
By Edward
June 6, 2008 12:46 PM | Link to this
Just because Mike got off his punishment tour with the nerd beat doesn’t mean he’s anywhere near getting to the pinnacle with the UGA beat Joshua Barlowe.
By TheTruth
June 6, 2008 12:51 PM | Link to this
You jerks need to give these fine Tech people a break. You can’t expect them to fill football stadiums or ever be a big time football program. They’re not a football school! They’re a girls softball school! Wanna talk girls softball mutts? I thought not. Now STFU and get off their backs. They can’t do the impossible you know. Morons!
By read
June 6, 2008 1:09 PM | Link to this
Like I said, I wish it wasn’t this way, but unfortunately it is right now. Some programs get great support regardless of records, like South Carolina, Nebraska, and Texas A & M to name a few. When I was in college I went to every home game and most away games, so I don’t know what else I can do. As far as the ACC championship, unfortunately the devasting loss to Georgia the week before really drove away fans from driving to Jacksonville the next week. I know it’s ridiculous but that’s the way some of our fans think. It was also cold and raining, but a good number of Tech fans showed up. However GT and Wake Forest are two of the smallest schools in the ACC and the result in attendance was not good. But I think in general Tech fans get a bad rap, our travel numbers to bowl games not in Boise or San Francisco are above average. See Peach Bowl, Gator Bowls, and Champs Sports Bowl in the last couple of years. FSU couldn’t even get people to travel to Boise, so looking at that is not a good example. At the end of the day I think people underestimate what losing 7 times to your rival, and having a coach that splits the fanbase can do to ticket sales. If Coach Johnson starts winning, he will get all of the fan support he needs.
By AH
June 6, 2008 3:32 PM | Link to this
The Nazis used to fill huge stadiums, too.
By jj
June 6, 2008 3:38 PM | Link to this
Lets talk school Support - Tech is sitting on an endowment of 1.6 billion dollars, UGA 600 million. I believe that Tech is supported pretty well. At 10% return Tech is getting 100 million and UGA 60 per year. Factor in the profitable sports program and UGA breaks even with Tech.
By Bull-Spit
June 6, 2008 3:44 PM | Link to this
Why are you leaving, Knobler? Was the Waffle House hiring?
By MisterT
June 6, 2008 4:27 PM | Link to this
Yet they wonder why we hate them?
TO HELL WITH GEORGIA!
By Bravesfan79
June 7, 2008 5:00 AM | Link to this
Lets Go GT HOOPS!! GT will be top 30 in 2008, and top 10 in 2009!!
By Oakland
June 7, 2008 11:48 AM | Link to this
Thanks Mike for your coverage of GT. Good luck with your new assignment.
By George P. Burdell
June 7, 2008 11:55 PM | Link to this
jj
Your math is horrible. If you are going to post something, at least make sure it makes sense.
No matter the differences, Tech is making a whole lot more money and probably always will.
By santa3247
June 8, 2008 4:23 AM | Link to this
Brave’s bulletin blocked from 3th June USA time. So I wrote here.
Hi, I’m Seong-Ho,Yoon living in Jinhae City(Sea of Glass)southkorea now.
Today I want to talk about Smoltz again.
Why Doctor’s diagnosis changed after my writting about your pain? You have to think and sense.
I am always painful when I start playing basketball in park, when I drive bicycle hardly no problem, why? almost babylonian and slaves talking “Santa is crazy, insame, mental failure” but when reading Harry Potter in English and Novel of Jinyong in Japanese with voice, so many liars about me must reveal their sin^^, basketball is same status.^^ So they attack my buttocks’s bone and hamstring, but I can do play basketball, threepoint-jumping shot I can throw and I can make a middle area shot in just one hand only.^*^
John Smoltz! You are now 41years old and If you would do surgery you might retire, if so how about light healing by My Light of Messiah for a month around?^^ If your shoulder would now be cured, you don’t need to pay anymoney, but if your injury would be cured 10% of surgery expense I will get.^^
But, I am the harness of God in Yerusalem, so if your shoulder would be injured again, this is failure of my cure or Neutron Wave of Particle’s attack, therefore I will cure your shoulder again at free to the perfect cure.^*^
And Catching Cold, et cetera, whole kind of illness I will help your healing for free.^*^
I can do baseball too, I can help your catchball and I can do for catcher too. Without protective harness, I can’t do for catcher.^^I know well about the fear of real pitcher’s pitched ball. ^^
Do you concern about Terrorist?^^ Hey now I have lived in the nest of Babylon over 35years. From when I was children, Babylon attached machine to me. My guardian is the bright morning star. Don’t worry.^^
My only problem is money just like Returned David Okada Mokich(1882~1955), he was creditor for 24years before construction of religious foundation in Japan. But, I have no debt.^*^
Fearing the friends of Babylon like Joseph Brothers?^^ Don’t worry! Without permission from Seth&Jesus’s direct descendant, they can’t move.^^ I know very well about Dark Lord’s family through long time’s conversation by my thinking and their broadcasting of resonance schumann. Do you understand? ^^ They gave up killing me.^^
May the force of Messiah be with you
Brandon Jones for 12days tripped? where?^*^I can’t view of AJC.com’s main page theseday.
By WFC
June 8, 2008 9:38 AM | Link to this
Thanks, Mike, for your good work.
I have several friends who are ardent UGA fans but entirely reasonable about it. Interestingly enough, NONE of them actually attended UGA (Presbyterian, Wofford, Elon, etc.) Hmmmmmm
GT and UGA are entirely different types of schools. What that means for sports is up for debate. UGA does have much more “disposable pu$$y.” I know, as a HS teacher/coach, I sent them there. + for the Dawgs.
UGA fans better hope that the African-American players never discover the bitter truth: if you weren’t a player about half of your “fans” woulld never speak to you.
What % of UGA “fans” actually graduated from ANY college or university? My guess: about 40%.
By Bwh Dawg
June 8, 2008 7:51 PM | Link to this
Several of you GT bloggers said that UGA was not worthy of its #8 seed. We ripped right through GTech and NC State to reach the College World Series. Enjoy sitting at home Techsters.
GTech, a baseball powerhouse??? LOL!!!!!
By Chad
June 11, 2008 3:13 PM | Link to this
Mike, I regret that the commentary on your thankful last article has turned in to such a filthy display of classlessness. I appreciate your commentary on Tech sports and wish you luck with the Thrashers. Congrats on the opportunity and thanks for the years.
By JJ
June 11, 2008 3:30 PM | Link to this
Hey Bulldawg, why don’t you kiss my a* you ignorant redneck idiot. Can’t you even spell dog correctly? I know ebonics is much easier for your simple brains to remember.
By old gold
June 15, 2008 12:16 AM | Link to this
Knobler, thanks and good luck with the Trashers. Bulldawg has shown that just when you think you’ve seen the biggest a* at UGA, a bigger one takes his place. What a competition. Lets see if another UGA a* can step up and challenge Bulldawg. Now, bulldawg, I will enter this on the UGA blog of my choice.