Tech

By Charles Knapp

May 7, 2008 9:40 AM | Link to this

So, wait a minute. Georgia has a smarter football team than Yech? I knew it all along. Tech is such a bunch of posers.

By jabster

May 7, 2008 9:49 AM | Link to this

Nope, just easier majors. As we say on The Flats, look to your left and look to your right, one of you won’t be there in four years.

Tech gets dinged on this every year in USN&WR. Tech is working on improving retention of all students, not just student-athletes.

Or, to put it another way, you can’t fall off the floor.

By UnderDawg

May 7, 2008 9:55 AM | Link to this

Is “Smokin Joe” Hamilton still a member of the Tech coaching staff?? He knows about the triple option, all right. DUI, possession, and hit and run…..yeah, thats a real triple-option.

By Stephen S.

May 7, 2008 10:01 AM | Link to this

Hey Knapp, Read the entire article. It says that the APR “does not measure how difficult the courses were.” Even the “easy” classes at Tech would be a stuggle for an average UGA student let alone an UGA “student” athlete. Remember your former basketball coaches final with the question, “How many points is a 3-point basket worth?”

By Rabun Dawg

May 7, 2008 10:15 AM | Link to this

I just say, congrats to both schools student-athletes, and let it go without the mud-slinging!

By Tony the Tiger

May 7, 2008 10:16 AM | Link to this

HEY KNAPP……How many halves in a basketball game ????????

By Concerned

May 7, 2008 10:32 AM | Link to this

Joe Hamilton has a degree from Tech…need we say anything more.

By Charles Knapp

May 7, 2008 10:38 AM | Link to this

I figured there would be techies responding to my observation, making various excuses about their obvious academic and athletic shortcomings (as they always do). Whine, whine, b!tch, b!tch. If there is one thing I am certain of, it is this: EXCUSES ARE TOOLS OF THE INCOMPETENT. That is all.

By Ben

May 7, 2008 10:41 AM | Link to this

And Leonard Pope was a dean’s list student at UGA. Anyone see his student website? My favorite quote was “Know I is on track to graduate.” Need I say anything more?

By ramblin' gamblin'

May 7, 2008 10:49 AM | Link to this

Ben, don’t be an idiot. Everybody knows Pope’s “resume” was a joke fabricated by some by a tech student. Even I’ll admit that.

By ramblin' gamblin'

May 7, 2008 10:49 AM | Link to this

Ben, don’t be an idiot. Everybody knows Pope’s “resume” was a joke fabricated by some tech student. Even I’ll admit that.

By chris

May 7, 2008 10:52 AM | Link to this

What classes do UGA Players Take? I could be a RHODES Scholar as a UGA Football Player. Notice that RHODES SCHOLAR is spelled correct, not like UGA venters on Tech’s Vent ROAD SCHOLAR. Now, keep talkins CRAP and take a MATH CLASS.

By dawgy

May 7, 2008 10:53 AM | Link to this

ben: Leonard was no honor student, that’s for sure, but his website was some tasteless joke uploaded by a rival fan (I’m guessing somebody from Ghetto Technical Institute of Midtown Atlanta). And Leonard sounded like Winston Churchill compared with Smokin Joe Hamilton. Nice try, though.

By Tony the Tiger

May 7, 2008 10:55 AM | Link to this

HEY KNAPP…..Take all the time you need…But don’t ask UnderDawg ” How many halves in a baskertball game “….She’s clueless too…..Good luck

By Navigator

May 7, 2008 11:01 AM | Link to this

I love reading these blogs. It makes me extremely happy that none of the people are my sons.

By Stephen S.

May 7, 2008 11:09 AM | Link to this

Hey Knapp, I did not make any excuses. I just pointed out your logic was flawed. If you are going to make academic success comparrisons, you need to take the rigor of the courses into account. When I was at Tech, I had a friend at UGA that had the same major. We compared the requirements of both programs. The Tech program was more rigorous by far. And by your own axiom, “Excuses are the tools of the incopetent”, the UGA football team is incopetent, as evidenced by all of the excuses that I heard that UGA were not national champions last year. I don’t really believe that UGA is incompetent in football, but that is what follows from your statement.

By dawggone

May 7, 2008 11:09 AM | Link to this

I can only imagine that Tony the Tiger is either an All-Barn or Clem-scum fan. I wouldn’t respond to his question either. Although, he probably legitimately wants to know the answer. That question has been bugging him for months. Somebody help out the poor retard.

By Charles Knapp

May 7, 2008 11:16 AM | Link to this

Chris: Of course you could have been a Rhodes Scholar at Georgia. But instead, you went to Tech as a M.E. major, then dropped down to the M-train because you couldn’t hack it as an engineer. So, instead of being a Rhodes Scholar at Georgia (of which we had TWO this year), you chose to play video games and blog all day and carry a 2.0 average at an average Management School. But that was a personal choice too, right? You’re making all the right moves, buddy.

By Tony the Tiger

May 7, 2008 11:17 AM | Link to this

HEY KNAPP…..One more math question….How many goals are there on a basketball court ????? PEDS 3912 Final Exam Good luck

By Charles Knapp

May 7, 2008 11:20 AM | Link to this

Stephen S. - you’re right, the Georgia football team was incompetent last year because we didn’t win the national title. And those of us making excuses were simply wishing we had the chance to knock OSU’s teeth out. But the real question, if Georgia’s football team was incompetent, then…what do you call Tech’s?

By Tony the Tiger's Tutor

May 7, 2008 11:30 AM | Link to this

Tony: Now, we’ve gone over this before. There are 3 points in a 3 point basket, two halves in a basketball game, and two goals on a basketball court. Now, if you need to, get the flash cards back out. You can do this!! I believe in you!! If you can get into Auburn or Clemson, you should be able to grasp this information. Let’s try it again…

By Tony the Tiger's Tutor

May 7, 2008 11:31 AM | Link to this

Tony: Now, we’ve gone over this before. There are 3 points in a 3 point basket, two halves in a basketball game, and two goals on a basketball court. Now, if you need to, get the flash cards back out. You can do this!! I believe in you!! If you can get into Auburn or Clemson, you should be able to grasp this information. Let’s try it again…

By gtfan55

May 7, 2008 11:32 AM | Link to this

Really, I am proud of both of the schools. However someone saying that UGA’s students athletes are smarter need to get real. Every Tech student athlete at Tech have to take Calculus. Not knocking on anyone I am just pointing out the facts.

By Charles Knapp

May 7, 2008 11:48 AM | Link to this

gtfan55: You are incorrect and/or a liar. Students are no longer required to take calculus at tech to graduate. DO YOU HEAR ME?? STUDENTS AT TECH ARE NO LONGER REQUIRED TO TAKE CALCULUS!!!! Pepper Rodgers got this policy exception instituted in 1972. Check with the Board of Regents if you refuse to believe me. There is no way around this. It is fact. This is a myth that Furman Bisher and the nerd faithful have hid behind for years. You need to stop living in the past and face reality. Tech has no excuses for their inferiority. Deal with it.

By Tony the Tiger

May 7, 2008 11:49 AM | Link to this

OK KNAPP & dawggone….I can tell that math is not your thing….. How about a multiple choice(to help you dumb asses out)history question….In what league do the Georgia Bulldogs compete A)ACC…B)Big Ten…C)SEC…D)Pac Ten…..PEDS 3912 Final Exam…..And dawggone, don’t ask KNAPP….She’s clueless too…..Good luck

By Stephen S.

May 7, 2008 11:51 AM | Link to this

From Knapp: If Georgia’s football team was incompetent, then…what do you call Tech’s?

My Answer: Gifted Underachievers. They had the talent, but apparently did not either have the desire or a good head coach depending on who you talk to. Hopefully, Paul Johnson will solve both problems. Only time will tell.

By Russ

May 7, 2008 12:20 PM | Link to this

Leonard Pope, for whom spelling the words “Leonard Pope” was a challege, was granted admission to UGA. Case closed.

By Tucker Dan

May 7, 2008 12:22 PM | Link to this

Knapp - Are you seriously saying that Tech is less of an academic school than UGA? First off, they are good at different things. To try and suggest that UGA has a real engineering school (or anything technical that leads to a professional job) is a joke. On the flip side UGA has an excellent Business school. You can check the rankings year in and year out, Tech is rated WAY ahead of UGA in academics…don’t kid yourself

By gtNC

May 7, 2008 12:30 PM | Link to this

Mr. Knapp, UGA is a fine school, and produces intelligent, successful alumni. It’s unfortunate that the other set tends to visit these blogs, but that’s beside the point. Now I think you’re trying to conclude that UGA football players are more intelligent than GT football players based on the APR. Frankly I’m not sure anybody cares. But as Mike points out, to compare APRs between schools is certainly not a way to do that. Visit your local community college. They also give A’s, B’s, and graduate students. It’s not a good way to compare. So go talk about 7 in a row, or how your team is better than OSU. But don’t try to make the argument that UGA is as difficult academically as GT. It just makes you sound like the whiny excuse-makers you like to pick on.

By Jaded Jacket

May 7, 2008 12:48 PM | Link to this

It’s silly to compare schools that obvioulsy have different academic standards.

Let’s look at the math class requirement for example:

Tech - Calculus

UGA - Marble Counting

DUH!

By Jaded Jacket

May 7, 2008 12:54 PM | Link to this

It’s ridiculous to compare schools that obvioulsy have different academic standards.

Let’s look at the math requirement for example:

Tech - Calculus

UGA - Marble Counting

      DUH!

By Concerned

May 7, 2008 1:17 PM | Link to this

Sorry if my blog was posted before I finished.

The issue is not whether Tech is more acclaimed or has a more difficult course load. While Georgia offers a more diverse education, Tech is more acclaimed and has a more difficult course load than Georgia.

However, the issue that bothers Georgia fans and alums is Tech’s superiority complex when it comes to student athletes. Both schools recruit and sign kids that would not be able to gain admission as normal students. Both schools “push” kids towards majors that will keep them eligible and on track to graduate.

Neither Tech nor Georgia can offer any moral high-ground when it comes to academics and athletes. Both have been rocked by scandals while trying to keep athletes eligible. While I know UGA has had more than their share, can any Tech alum look anyone in the eye and brag about their school for admitting Stephon Marbury, Reggie Ball, Joe Hamilton, etc. into their fine academic institution?

Georgia people can admit that Tech has a greater academic reputation than UGA. We just wish that Tech people could admit that they recruit, sign, and admit the same kids that everyone else does.

By Jason C.

May 7, 2008 1:23 PM | Link to this

Cmon guys did you really expect a reporter to go beyond the surface on the numbers? Context is word lost on most reporters these days. Wow you mean it would be so hard for Mike K. to say GT might be a little more of a challenge academically then UGA…shocker or the GSU had three coached in less than ONE year and that consequently a lot of kids left the team because the did not fit a new system or got cut by the new coach and decided to leave the school all together….hmmm yeah way to advanced for a report to do. Why give context when you can write a shocking headline or start a controversial blog entry that will pit once again GT against UGA…Lazy, tabloid tactics.

By Charles Knapp

May 7, 2008 1:30 PM | Link to this

Tech ranked 35th academically in the U.S. News rankings. Georgia ranked 59th. That is not a big discrepancy. My point? Neither school is close to being Ivy League (although Georgia did have the same number of Rhodes Scholars as Princeton, and more then the other 7 Ivy League schools), and neither school is a junior college. Both are fine schools. But to claim that every student is required to take Calculus, and then segue that into why they can’t compete with georgia on the football fied…I mean, give me a break. Give it up already.

By gtNC

May 7, 2008 1:47 PM | Link to this

Concerned: As a GT fan, I can’t really argue with you in the big picture.

To be picky about it, we GT fans do have an argument to make on student-athlete standards. No reason a UGA fan would read Dave Glenn’s ACC Sports Journal, but it’s a great publication. This subject comes up a lot, and it is repeated often that Duke, Wake, and GT stand apart from the rest of the conference (and all of the SEC except Vandy) in terms of admission standards for athletes. Of course they are lower than for other students. But these schools have minimums substantially higher than the NCAA minimums and those of most other schools with major athletic programs. They also allow limited exceptions for students below these standards, but above the NCAA, and the number of exceptions varies. I don’t know what Starbury’s SATs were, but I’m guessing he was in that category.

But that said, yes, both schools have their share of athletes whose academic prowess can be a little embarassing. I think what annoys GT fans most is that your statement that, “Georgia people can admit that Tech has a greater academic reputation than UGA,” really isn’t true, in these blogs anyway. These posts are a perfect example.

By abuzz

May 7, 2008 1:48 PM | Link to this

Knapp, hate to break it to you, but Pepper became Head Coach at Tech in 1974. And, he didn’t get the calculus reqirement eliminated. I entered Tech in ‘74 and there was not one major offerred that didn’t reqire calculus.

By Charles Knapp

May 7, 2008 2:08 PM | Link to this

abuzz: Apologies on the wrong year, I thought Pepper came in 1972, but if you say 1974 I believe you. Wrong year or not, the truth remains that a provision in his contract was to eliminate the calculus requirement for certain majors in order to remain competitive with their peers, namely Clemson, Bama, Auburn, and yes, Georgia. My aunt used to work for the Board of Regents and she helped implement this change. And for the record, she is no Georgia apologist. If anything, she is more of a tech fan, and was outraged by this new policy. You are simply wrong, and you probably know it. You just refused to recognize it.

By Westside

May 7, 2008 2:12 PM | Link to this

The botton line - Tech can’t compete with UGA in anything that doesn’t involve engineering. Sorry, case closed.

By Westside

May 7, 2008 2:12 PM | Link to this

The bottom line - Tech can’t compete with UGA in anything that doesn’t involve engineering. Sorry, case closed.

By gtNC

May 7, 2008 2:34 PM | Link to this

Come on Knapp - think harder. As I said before, APR isn’t a good way to compare the difficulty of schools. So you go to US News rankings. For one thing, #35 vs. #59 is not a small difference. For another, this ranking does not judge the difficulty of schools, either. Ivy leagues schools are notorious for grade inflation and pepper the top 10. In fact, the high attrition rate at GT is a negative in these rankings. Calculus is pretty irrelevant, but since you won’t drop it, it is still required for most majors, including engineering and management. Again, UGA is a fine school. But it is generally not as difficult to graduate there as it is at Tech. Your football team is better. Go bask in that and make a Joe Hamilton joke. But give this up.

By Charles Knapp

May 7, 2008 2:50 PM | Link to this

gtNC: Ok, as long as you admit that Georgia Tech DOES OFFER DEGREES THAT DON’T REQUIRE CALCULUS. That is an age-old cop out used by techies everywhere. I can acknowledge that it is more difficult to attain a degree in EE than it is to get a degree in Consumer Econ…however, how many football players at Tech are EE? But the main objective of my argument is to blow the lid off the whole calculus myth. What a bunch of crap.

By Dawggone

May 7, 2008 2:53 PM | Link to this

So…ok. I don’t think “Knapp” ever contended that E or M-Train degrees didn’t require calc. But, I think his/her contention was that you could get a degree at tech (probably ala Smokin Joe) that didn’t require Calculus. So…did gtNC just admit that tech offers degrees that don’t require calculus? I won’t resolution here.

By dawgy

May 7, 2008 2:56 PM | Link to this

gtNC — how can you say “calculus is irrelevant?” That’s all I’ve ever heard from commentators, f. bisher, and nerds like yourself, that gt athletes are so burdened with calculus…blah blah blah. And now it turns out you’re wrong afterall? Oh, god, I love it when a techie has to eat his words. Tech lies and cheats, this is only further evidence.

By abuzz

May 7, 2008 3:03 PM | Link to this

Knapp, etal.

The following is from the frequently asked qoestions by prospective studenta as listed in the catalog.

“What are the math requirements for liberal arts majors at Georgia Tech?

Analytical abilities are a fundamental strength of all Georgia Tech students. To help them develop those skills, all Tech students take at least one semester of calculus. With the help of their advisors, IAC students select a second math course, either in calculus or in finite math (linear equations, sets, probability and statistics). About half of IAC undergraduates take each path. Some IAC majors require additional math targeted for their degrees, such as statistics, modeling, or econometrics.”

If you prefer your own research, here’s the link

http://www.students.iac.gatech.edu/faq.html

By gtNC

May 7, 2008 3:11 PM | Link to this

Wow - y’all really aren’t showing your brightest sides right now. There are more majors at Tech than you think, and I don’t know what the requirements for all of them are. What I said was that it’s required for all engineering and management degrees. And yes, a large portion of our athletes are in these two colleges. I said it’s irrelevant because it’s not the point of the column, but somehow it’s become the point of the posts. Is this that complicated?

By bubble burst

May 7, 2008 3:13 PM | Link to this

who cares??? At the end of the day, both schools provide higher education and the opportunity to provide for one’s self or his/her family.

Quit acting like 16 and 17 yr olds comparing d-ck sizes.

PS: Mine is bigger than yours.

By son_sir

May 7, 2008 3:18 PM | Link to this

abuzz, seeing as how “one semester of calculus” now includes “survey of calculus” which is basically pre-cal, some of these mutts have a point. When I was at Tech (68-71), every student had to pass Calculus. As much as I hate to admit it, this idiot that calls himself Knapp is right. Basic calculus is no longer a requirement. If you count pre-cal as calculus (which I don’t, nor would anyone else who passed it), than fine. The new requirement sounds like Tech is trying to cover up the fact that we don’t expect our graduates to pass calculus anymore. Either way Knapp comes off as moronic.

By son_sir

May 7, 2008 3:19 PM | Link to this

abuzz, seeing as how “one semester of calculus” now includes “survey of calculus” which is basically pre-cal, some of these mutts have a point. When I was at Tech (68-71), every student had to pass Calculus. As much as I hate to admit it, this idiot that calls himself Knapp is right. Basic calculus is no longer a requirement. If you count pre-cal as calculus (which I don’t, nor would anyone else who passed it), then fine. The new requirement sounds like Tech is trying to cover up the fact that we don’t expect our graduates to pass calculus anymore. Either way Knapp comes off as moronic.

By neilmarlowe

May 7, 2008 3:21 PM | Link to this

Speaking of “easy” at UGAG, they will let anyone into school over there. You remember the story about the two south Ga redneck students at the football game when UGA the mascot came out on the field before the game, sat down, and licked his privates. One good ole boy said,”I wished I could do that”. The other one thought a minute, the said, “that dog would bite you”.

By NorthAveWreck

May 7, 2008 3:29 PM | Link to this

Just as 400lb welfare recipients flock to the roof tops for government rescue… so does the fatherless flock to UGA to take Sociology and Parks Tourism and Recreation. Father’s Day and UGA!!

By dawgy

May 7, 2008 3:34 PM | Link to this

neilmarlow: That’s an old Lewis Grizzard joke, but kudos on the adaptation. And for the record, I know numerous techies that didn’t get in Georgia. It only fueled their hatred further. Kinda funny, if you ask me.

By DawgBite

May 7, 2008 3:35 PM | Link to this

By Stephen S.

May 7, 2008 10:01 AM | Link to this

Hey Knapp, Read the entire article. It says that the APR “does not measure how difficult the courses were.” Even the “easy” classes at Tech would be a stuggle for an average UGA student let alone an UGA “student” athlete. Remember your former basketball coaches final with the question, “How many points is a 3-point basket worth?”

You idiot. How soon you forget the 7 years of academic fraud at Tech. Football players kept eligible by being placed in non-degree progression courses to the point that some of your players had 5 years on campus and less than 2 years toward a degree. Can you say NCAA probation moron? Lack of institutional control? Then there’s Rueben Houston, Michael Hutts, and now Joe(I need a speech and diction class) Hamilton. Not to mention George O’Liar. And now there is the drug testing program that basically is non-existent. And still you sissies lose. Can’t even cheat and win. And Paul Johnson better start importing some smarter players from the Naval Academy to run his offense. Tech players are proving to be way too dumb to execute it. You guys are nothing more than wannabees that never will be. Georgia Tech…the cesspool of the ACC. Or is it the septic tank? Anyway, the shoe fits mites, so wear it. Georgia Tech…LMAO!

By abuzz

May 7, 2008 3:35 PM | Link to this

son_ sir

If you haven’t had calculus, then you’re not going to be succesful on this practice final exam for the MAT1712 course called “survey of calculus.

http://www.math.gatech.edu/~csloane/Su07%201712/Survey%20—%20Practice%20Final.pdf

By NorthAveWreck

May 7, 2008 3:36 PM | Link to this

Just like 400lb welfare recipients flock to the roof tops for government rescue so does the fatherless flock to UGA to take Sociology, Parks, Tourism and Recreation and the like.

Father’s Day and UGA!!

By Ron Dawgundy

May 7, 2008 3:37 PM | Link to this

I just came on this blog, and it seems like Knapp proved his point about calculus, and that tech fans admitted it was true. It also seems as though once the tech fans on here realized that (i.e. marlow, nawreck), they just started hurling personal insults. Real mature guys. You stay classy GT.

By Robert

May 7, 2008 3:43 PM | Link to this

In 2000 only 3 football players at Tech were in the Engineering program. Check it. That’s fact.

By NorthAveWreck

May 7, 2008 3:46 PM | Link to this

Hey RON…it rhymes with “Tow Me”

By DougD

May 7, 2008 3:54 PM | Link to this

Boy did Paul Johnson screw up. Had a good job and threw it away to roll around in the gutter.

By son_sir

May 7, 2008 3:57 PM | Link to this

abuzz, the link doesn’t work.

By Tommy Trailer

May 7, 2008 3:57 PM | Link to this

It’ll be nice when FB season arrives and we can argue about who has the better team, not academics.

(Might be a boring debate, anyway.)

Go Bugs! (However, I don’t support roaches)

By GT84

May 7, 2008 3:59 PM | Link to this

I wonder what next week’s scandal will be on the flats. A house cleaning is in order over on North Avenue.

By Robert

May 7, 2008 4:01 PM | Link to this

hey Abuzz — learn how to properly display a link, you idiot.

By Concerned

May 7, 2008 4:06 PM | Link to this

gtNC-

Thanks for commenting. I have not read the ACC Sports Journal but will agree to what was said in the article. However, my point is still that Tech recruits the same players that everyone else does. They might not sign as many who need the exception (possible because the student athlete does not want to go to Tech due to some of the academic requirements), but they will get them in school if they do need that exception…especially if they are really good.

By abuzz

May 7, 2008 4:09 PM | Link to this

son_sir, here’s another link that you can follow to the practice exam, which requires the ability to differentiate and integrate equations.

http://www.math.gatech.edu/~csloane/Su07%201712/MATH%201712.htm

By Sam

May 7, 2008 4:10 PM | Link to this

Wasn’t it Tech engineers that designed those tiles that keep falling off the Space Shuttle?

By Orkin Man

May 7, 2008 4:13 PM | Link to this

Hello Mr. D Rad. Someone said y’all have a problem?

By gtNC

May 7, 2008 4:13 PM | Link to this

Ron Dawgundy, is your friend DawgBite classy enough for you?

By Jason

May 7, 2008 4:15 PM | Link to this

Ron Dawgundy you are wrong Knapp proved nothing. I just looked through every degree program at Tech and they all require some form of Calculus. Whether it be MATH1501/1502 or MATH1711/1712. So he proved nothing except he knows squat about Tech.

By gtNC

May 7, 2008 4:18 PM | Link to this

Oh, and Ron - Knapp’s original point wasn’t about calculus. It was that Mike Knobler’s column about APR shows UGA’s athletes are smarter. That’s just moronic.

By William

May 7, 2008 4:19 PM | Link to this

Anyboddy seen Iurn Man?

By TechProf

May 7, 2008 4:22 PM | Link to this

abuzz, the ability to do mathmatical equations doesn’t measure intelligence. It is just another aptitude. We have some mathmatical geniuses here at Tech that can’t pass a course that doesn’t involve a calculator. I don’t know where this fallacy comes from that calculus is the ultimate measure of intelligence. It’s not.

By William

May 7, 2008 4:23 PM | Link to this

Sorry my typin aint’ too guhd. might have gottin a conatckt hi from hangin with my frend joey. Go Jakcets! Dont tow it.

By Zeke

May 7, 2008 4:27 PM | Link to this

gtNC, what part of DawgBite’s post isn’t true? Go ahead gtNC tell us point by point where he is wrong.

By aparentlyI'm"indignant"

May 7, 2008 4:28 PM | Link to this

I guess I am the “indignant” GSU fan that e-mailed the writer yesterday. I “complained” about the fact that, as one of the other comments stated, the GSU football scores are based on the last results of a coach that was fired partly because of his lack of academic control on the team, and a year that Van “goober” kicked off or pi$$ed off half the team. There is a reason that we had 32 schollies to give out this year…

His “reporting” failed to note that the scores last year were the highest the team has ever had and were well above the required minimum. They are however hampered by the last three years’ low totals. Why tell the whole truth when you can write only a part of it and sell some extra newspapers?

By GTBandit22

May 7, 2008 4:38 PM | Link to this

I love it when Dogs bring up the 2k1 flunkgate… Okay we’ll give you all those years. Now you must give back Vince Dooley’s tenure, including the MNC. We all know about Jan Kemp.

By Seth Abromowitz

May 7, 2008 4:41 PM | Link to this

Knapp, do you really expect us to believe that the BOR is gonna drop a core requirement to convince a coach to take a college football head coaching job? You are an idiot.

By Who cares?

May 7, 2008 4:42 PM | Link to this

GSU WHO CARES?

By Art

May 7, 2008 4:44 PM | Link to this

For 7 years employees of the GT athletic department placed athletes in non-degree progression courses resulting in 17 ineligible football players. True/False

Georgia Tech has recently been on NCAA probation for lack of institutional control resulting from the above academic malfeasence. True/False

George O’Leary lied on his resume. True/False

Rueben Houston was convicted of felony drug possession and sale. True/False

Georgia Tech started Rueben Houston while under indictment for felony drug traficking. True/False

Michael Hutts died of a drug overdose. True/False

Joe Hamilton, a Tech coach is charged with DUI, Hit and Run, and Marijuana possession. True/False

Under Georgia Tech’s drug testing policy, an athlete can fail 3 times before any meaningful sanctions are imposed. True/False

gtNC, the balls in your court.

By Robert

May 7, 2008 4:51 PM | Link to this

Does any one else here remember when the Tech wide reciever got arrested with a bag of pot in his jacket pocket and the O’Liar stated “it wasn’t his pot”?

By Charles Knapp

May 7, 2008 4:55 PM | Link to this

Seth: You obviously know NOTHING about state university systems and the decision making process within one. Or how the BOR and the University system function. Thanks for playing, though. You’ve successfully shown you @ss once again.

By Art

May 7, 2008 4:57 PM | Link to this

We’re waiting gtNC. A simple little multiple choice test shouldn’t be that challenging for a genius like you. You don’t even need a calculator. Or is that the problem gtNC?

By Art

May 7, 2008 5:01 PM | Link to this

Ok gtNC. If the above test is too hard for you to think through here is one that involves a little math.

UGA has beaten GT 7 years in a row. True/False

By dawgy

May 7, 2008 5:17 PM | Link to this

Art: I think gtNC has already climbed into his Saturn to return to his efficiency apartment and three cats. He’s probably stuck in the Charlotte traffic as we type. Consider it a victory.

By GTBandit22

May 7, 2008 5:23 PM | Link to this

Jan Kemp, A brave University professor dared to speak up against exploitation of student athletes. She was fired for objecting to UGA’s policy of passing student athletes who could barely read and write.

Kemp sued using a civil rights statute, alleging that the University retaliated against her for protected speech. The result was a 7-figure lawsuit in her favor and the eventual resignation of President Fred Davidson.

Game, set, match

By GTBandit22 is a loser

May 7, 2008 5:33 PM | Link to this

How is that any worse than what Tech pulled in the late 90s, early 21st century? Seems like academic fraud is academic fraud. Game, set, match.

By Doug

May 7, 2008 5:34 PM | Link to this

GTBandit22, would you like to take Art’s test? It does seem that UGA has cleaned it’s house. On the other hand GT seems to just keep headed down that same old road to the landfill while employing smoke and mirrors to dupe the public. There is no comparison between Mark Richt’s program and that stink emanating from the North Avenue Trade School.

By gtNC

May 7, 2008 5:44 PM | Link to this

Dawgy, Art, I never said you had the fact wrong. If you need someone to explain why including Michael Hutts on that list shows no class, you’re the ones that give your fans a bad name.

By GT92

May 7, 2008 5:51 PM | Link to this

What bugs (no pun intended) me is the fact that we can’t even cheat and win. Miami did it right. Clemson did it right and we fall flat on our faces in spite of some pretty ingenious scams. Maybe we aren’t as smart as we think we are.

By Nate

May 7, 2008 6:00 PM | Link to this

gtNC, Michael Hutts was a Tech athlete who died of an overdose. That is fact. Could it be that his misfortune is symptomatic of the malfeasence that festers throughout Tech’s athletic programs. Could it be that Tech’s facsimile of a drug testing program may have been part of Hutts problem? Was he tested? Not tested? Or just so confident in there being no consequences that he continued to use dangerous drugs? You can’t see the forest for the trees can you gtNC. And I thought you guys were supposed to be smart.

By Veteranario

May 7, 2008 6:12 PM | Link to this

Nate, be thankful for Tech fans like gtNC. He reinforces the fact that a calculator is no substitute for a brain.

By GTBandit22

May 7, 2008 6:18 PM | Link to this

So because it happened in the 70’s and 80’s it doesn’t matter now? I agreed we can give you back our 2k1 wins if we can have back the wins for the whole Dooley era. Yes there is a difference from taking classes that don’t count towards a degree and a university passing guys that can barely read and write. You guys point to Stephon and Reggie, but the sad fact is those guys are the worst examples for Tech and the norm for UGA. Recreation managment, general studies, and underwater basket weaving are tough degrees to fail out of. Stick to the gridiron dogs, you have whipped our butts the last 7 years. But to pretend like your giving out the same quality of education to your SA’s that you do to the general student is sad at best.

By Impartial Observer

May 7, 2008 6:29 PM | Link to this

I am not a Georgia or a Georgia Tech fan, just an impartial observer. I have heard many others say that the AJC is very pro-Georgia and anti-Georgia Tech. So, I am looking at various columns or posts to see for myself. I looked on NCAA and found that Georgia Tech and Georgia have 15 sports that both schools participate in (and Georgia has 3 additional women’s sports that Tech does not have). Of these 15 sports that both schools compete in, 8 are men sports and 7 are women sports. The APR scores for the men sports are: Baseball (Tech 974, Georgia 927), Basketball (Tech 931, Georgia 958), Cross Country (Tech 950, Georgia 979), Football (Tech 951, Georgia 965), Golf (Tech 1000, Georgia 982), Swimming (Tech 975, Georgia 970), Tennis (Tech 959, Georgia 978), Track (Tech 949, Georgia 926). Georgia Tech had higher APR scores in 4 men sports and Georgia had higher APR scores in 4 men sports. For the women sports, Tech had higher APR scores in 5 out of 7 sports: Cross Country (993 to 991), Swimming (997 to 978), Tennis (985 to 963), Track (988 to 971), Volleyball (990 to 966). Georgia had higher APR scores in 2 of the 7 women sports: Basketball (971 to 957), Softball (976 to 967). In summary Georgia Tech had higher APR scores in 9 of the 15 sports that both schools compete in. So, my evaluation leads me to believe that Mike Knobler definitely was pro-Georgia and anti-Georgia Tech in the way he decided to write about the “highest profile sports” and not give all of the information. This is only one column, and I will continue to evaluate others to form an overall opinion of whether there is biased reporting in the AJC.

By The Joke is by the Coke

May 7, 2008 6:52 PM | Link to this

History, Technology, Society Major. Enough said.

By longtimeGTfan

May 7, 2008 7:40 PM | Link to this

Hey we should be proud the kids are getting an education no matter what school they go to. How many players make the pros and stay there? Better make the grades and graduate!

By shane#1

May 7, 2008 8:16 PM | Link to this

longtimeGTfan, I agree, as a resident and longtime taxpayer of the State of Georgia I am glad My money is being put to good use. I posted on another blog yesterdfay that I thought improved academics was great for the whole State. We can both be proud of this one!

By Mike Knobler

May 7, 2008 8:50 PM | Link to this

Impartial Observer

There are two problems with your analysis, and both stem from your premise that all sports should be counted equally.

Problem No. 1: Football teams have a lot more scholarship athletes than other teams. Therefore, outperforming your opponent in football is more significant than outperforming your opponent in other sports.

Problem No. 2: People care more about the high-profile sports than the others. (If you doubt that, then check the number of volleyball and golf and swimming references in readers’ responses to our blogs.)

By ugaslobberknocker

May 7, 2008 9:41 PM | Link to this

Georgia Tech has one test that seemingly is a big problem.

that would be a drug test.

What possible justification could Tech have NOT to drug test Joe Hamilton or any applicant for a job in their “athletic” dept. (I use the term loosely) . compared to UGA and other major colleges, Tech is extra lax on drug testing for athletes. why is that?

Memo to Tech administrators..your campus bumps up to the worst neighborhood in the south. Crack houses make yard of the month in your neck of the woods.( There would be hookers,too, but they cant find anyone on campus who likes women). Maybe some drug testing for athletes and athletic emplyees might be a good idea, dont you think?

I know of course Tech has no worse drug problem than any college, but it’s just so enjoyable to see the self righteous Techies have to admit they are no better than anyone else. They like to pretend they they are so smart and their school is so tough that their sh** doesnt stink.

What I cant figure out is if that is true, then how is Wake Forest winning..their avg SAT for incoming freshman is a lot better than Tech..same with Stanford..so quit making excuses you losers..and lay off the drugs would ya?

By JJ

May 7, 2008 10:21 PM | Link to this

You are all a bunch of idiots..UGA and GT alike.

By Impartial Observer

May 7, 2008 10:29 PM | Link to this

Mike Knobler It is not a matter of people being more interested in one sport or the other, it is a matter of being impartial and presenting all of the pertinent info, i.e. not putting your slant or prejudices on a story. You can certainly try to rationalize your bias if you desire. My point was that you made the decision to pick and choose info which made Georgia appear in a more positive light than Georgia Tech rather than present all of the info. And that is a fact. Maybe you should reflect on this and try to be more impartial and factual in the future.

By KC Kid

May 8, 2008 7:07 AM | Link to this

Amen JJ. Look - both schools are pretty good. Not great, but pretty good. You can probably skate through either one of them if that’s your goal. I know good people from both schools. Tech grads are generally a little too proud of themselves. UGA grads are generally dilsuional about their football teams. Like a previous post said, this debate is like saying my di*k is bigger than yours. Oh and by the way, my Dad can beat up your Dad!

By Hilarious

May 8, 2008 7:38 AM | Link to this

Gotta love it when the Techies get knocked off their high horse. They sure can dish it out but seem to have some trouble taking it.

By gtNC

May 8, 2008 9:26 AM | Link to this

Nate - follow the conversation. Your questions are all fine if you want to change the subject and talk about student athlete drug abuse, testing policies, etc. And what happened to Michael Hutts is a good time to have an adult discussion about what might be wrong and make changes. But I’ve read too many of your brethren on here making jokes and insults about it. I’m sure I speak for a lot of GT fans in saying I’m sick of it. That’s tasteless. That’s all I said. There’s the forest.

By Joe Hamilton

May 8, 2008 9:51 AM | Link to this

Will work for weed.

By Reggie Ball

May 8, 2008 10:02 AM | Link to this

I can’t count to four.

By Ruben Houston

May 8, 2008 10:32 AM | Link to this

I majored in traffic control.

By gt45

May 8, 2008 10:38 AM | Link to this

Talk about way overrated! And these guys have a chance to win the SEC? Nothing like a good ole fashion a-whooping in Athens! Go Jackets

By FlagBoy

May 8, 2008 10:46 AM | Link to this

I like to prance around in my leotards and spin my flags in front of a packed house, er I mean 10 or 15 thousand. Go Jackets!

By gt45

May 8, 2008 11:08 AM | Link to this

Fleaboy-I hope you like getting spanked, too, because you sure took one last night! No. 8-HaHaHaaaaHa

By SamT.

May 8, 2008 2:17 PM | Link to this

Why is it that UGA footballers are way ahead of Tech in Rhodes Scholarships. You one dimensional mites forget about all the footballers from UGA that become doctors and lawyers. You know. The kind of degrees where a calculator doesn’t compensate for lack of brain matter and everyday walking around sense. UGA also has a large margin over your footballers when it comes to the academic all american teams as well. You guys are frauds when it comes to athletes and academics and now the whole world knows. Even Miami runs a more reputable program than Tech.

By dawgy

May 8, 2008 4:01 PM | Link to this

gt45: Get off the computer lab PC and drive your Saturn back to your efficiency apartment on Buford HWY and snuggle up with your 3 cats. Oh, don’t forget to yell THWG!!!

And before you say “that’s probably your life,” let me say that no, it is not. It is simply the life of the majority of tech grads I have known.

Oh, almost forgot to congratulate you on the big win last night. Glad you nerds can be competitive in SOMETHING.

By Bug Blaster

May 8, 2008 10:49 PM | Link to this

Nerds can have baseball. Dawgs will make it 8 in a row in FB!!!

Hunker down y’all.

By Fact giver

May 10, 2008 12:51 AM | Link to this

Funny, cal. kepps being mentioned. whether for or against tech. Most tech athletes are in some form of business or management. Management requires calto be taken. So even if cal is not requiredfor all courses, it is still taken by most of tech’s football players. Even those majoring in literature. So could you please tell me what classes tech footballplayers take that does not require then to take cal?