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By CW

November 18, 2005 04:21 PM | Link to this

We all have great memories of beating Georgia and Notre Dame, but this sanction leaves an indellible stain on our entire program during a time Tech fans were enjoying a renaissance. Taking scholarships away will hurt this program badly, but in two years we’ll get over it. Vacating 47 wins over a 6-year period lasts forever. For a program that has played football for 113 years and has as much tradition and history as Tech, vacating these games is absolutely the cruelest blow.

By wes

November 18, 2005 04:38 PM | Link to this

I’ll miss the fresno loss most of all.

By RE

November 18, 2005 04:42 PM | Link to this

Could not have said it better myself. Even if half the bowls we went to were not top tier, we were one of a handfull of schools that had gone to consecutive bowlgames 8 years in a row. Two of those schools will no longer make it this year, in what would have left us in an incredibly elite group. It was an extremly harsh penalty that the NCAA has dealt us and we will feel it for years to come. A sad, long, painful week to be a Jacket. But still, I’ll be there next Saturday when we win our second consecutive game in Nov. Go Jackets and to Hell with Georgia!

By retired engineer

November 18, 2005 05:01 PM | Link to this

At my age, I already have selective memory…I remember the pleasant things but not the bad. Like I remember the first time I had it (you know) but I cannot remember the last! I remember Tech beating the dogs every year when I was a young man and now thanks to the NCAA, I cannot remember the last time Tech lost to the dogs! Coach Chan will have his boys start with a clean slate! Go Jackets!

By Chris B.

November 18, 2005 05:10 PM | Link to this

We should wait for the appeal to be completed before we really worry about that.

The only thing that should be vacated is the NCAA.

By GT

November 18, 2005 05:12 PM | Link to this

I’m not sure what we did. None of the players on the list were impact players so what did our “cheating” do to change history. Players are driving in new cars all over the country, football camps are paid for by secret funds at some Florida schools and classes are created for jocks at most Universities, but we make our players take calculus which chases over 90% of the recruits away in the first place, then the ones that have the guts to get a real education when they play ball and don’t take any money under the table which knocks another large percentage out get blased for not making the C the jock over at Troy State made in a paint by numbers course. What are we trying to accomplish here? If we are running a football factory I sure would like to see some better results.

By Todd

November 18, 2005 05:18 PM | Link to this

I’m a Tech fan to the most degree and this is simply an embarassment, nothing else plan and simple !

By chisolm

November 18, 2005 05:26 PM | Link to this

tech has been cheating for years and thank god they finally got caught! how do you think taz anderson got into tech and was able to play 4 years?

By Bryan G.

November 18, 2005 05:32 PM | Link to this

I’ll miss the Seattle Bowl most of all. What a great game. I mean, it’s always cool when your school is good enough to play in a game when the teams have to stand on the same sideline. Ah, memories. I look forward to another 5th tier bowl this year. I hear Boise is gorgeous in December.

By Tracy

November 18, 2005 05:44 PM | Link to this

I am so upset with the NCAA’s decision. How can you vacate a history that really happened? What will it really solve anyway? The punishment is too harsh. It will tarnish our history as well as our present reputation. If it wasn’t the players’ fault, then why remove the records? Isn’t removing scholarships harsh enough without taking away the records? I really hope Tech goes through with the appeals process to resolve the over harshness of the NCAA’s decision.

By bob

November 18, 2005 06:07 PM | Link to this

What does a little academic fraud matter?

By Al Davis

November 18, 2005 06:35 PM | Link to this

GT, I do believe that the NCAA said that some of the footballers were prominent players that were regognized for their athletic achievements both nationally and by the conference. And by the way. Because of privacy laws there is no “list.” Please try not to revise history to minimize the fraud.

By Biff

November 18, 2005 06:44 PM | Link to this

If anything, Tracy, vacating the records is MORE fair than scholarship reductions. At least vacating records (generally) punishes the teams that were involved in the illegal actions. The scholarship reductions punish future players who are essentially blameless in all this.

By Cameron Crazies

November 18, 2005 07:17 PM | Link to this

Newsflash Tracy: Your history is already tarnished and your reputation sucks as is. And to the idiot rambling about being in an elite group for consecutive bowl victories, I suggest you read Shultz’s article and pay close attention to the 4-4 in the ACC parts, all four of them. Now that VT, BC and Miami have arrived, you dingleberries are toast. Did they wipe away the Duke victory, because that would be a shame. Talk about history, how about snapping our losing streak. Thanks, from one nerd to another.

By Cameron Crazies

November 18, 2005 07:19 PM | Link to this

Sorry, not bowl victories, but bowl “appearances”. Congratulations, what an accomplishment. Y’all should just do like us and start talking B’ball, because the football ain’t gonna happen.

By GTNE80

November 18, 2005 07:55 PM | Link to this

I’ve never been quite so angry and disillusioned at the same time. For all my life as a Tech fan, my Bulldog buddies have told me how big a bunch of hypocrites and snobs we Tech people were. Of course, I denied it vehemently and sneered with glee with each transgression of the wayward doggies from Athens. Turns out they’ve been right all along. Maybe not in past administrations, but this administration makes all of the pups’ claims true. An administration that claims that the rules are too difficult to understand instead of confessing that they either didn’t care enough to try to understand and keep them or they turned their heads the other way. When they are caught, they point to the spotless reputation built by those that came before them and arrogantly expect leniency and cry foul when they get what they deserve. It’s purely hilarious that Dave Braine decries the harshness of the NCAA penalties out of one side of his mouth and acts holier-than-thou regarding the Reuben Houston court decision.

We laugh about UGA’s recruiting transgressions, but go out and sign this blue-chip bball kid out of Memphis that already comes with baggage. Why not go get Harrick Jr. to come in and coach him? I don’t care how good a player he is, with this baggage, we will deserve whatever we get down the road from this case.

Truth is, if the Georgia Tech administration doesn’t react swiftly by imposing harsh sanctions on the members of the athletic department responsible for the probation (starting with Braine himself), we are doing nothing but proving the puppies’ claims of hypocrisy and snobbery for them.

It’s a dark day for my alma mater. Shame on us.

By Hunk Erdown

November 18, 2005 07:59 PM | Link to this

Better be careful with an appeal… they may hit you for panhandling and vagrancy if they take a closer look at the program.

By the real deal

November 18, 2005 09:21 PM | Link to this

Does anyone really care what the NCAA has wrought? We won and lost with ineligible players. Who gives a damn!! Every single major program in America has or has had these problems. Always will. Get over it and move on. Some programs have had their hand slapped and those that haven’t just ,well, haven’t been discovered yet. EVERY PROGRAM HAS SOME FORM OF CORRUPTION WHETHER THEY REALIZE IT OR NOT. IT IS SIMPLY WAITING TO BE DISCOVERED! At least we haven’t fabricated grades like the MuttHole bballers that can’t even spell their names. We haven’t, have we??

By Craig

November 18, 2005 09:35 PM | Link to this

Tech should definitely appeal the NCAA ruling and the NCAA should use common sense. Vacating these games will not change the fact that they were played. No one should pretend that they didn’t. The accomplishments of the players and coaches should not be just thrown away or ignored and history should not be rewritten. Many of these games were during the Joe Hamilton years. He finished #2 in the Heismann Trophy balloting and probably should have won it. Throwing away his records and that of many other athletes and coaches just doesn’t seem right. The NCAA penalty seems way too harsh and I hope it is reconsidered.

By SC Dawg

November 18, 2005 11:12 PM | Link to this

There goes the argument “At least our players can read” ACADEMIC FRAUD Ha Ha!!!

By mtraininjax

November 19, 2005 01:03 AM | Link to this

Dave Braine has brought shame to the school. He and he alone is the reason for this, not the football program. The violations occured in swimming, and both men’s and women’s track. They also happened in the football program and in a sport that Braine coached for some time. He is a buffoon as an AD. Tech would have been better to hire bozo the clown instead of him, wait, perhaps they did.

By KneeJerk

November 19, 2005 08:56 AM | Link to this

GTNE80- The basketball player from Memphis comes with no baggage. Some claims were made from a bloodsucking AAU coach. These claims were sour grapes. The player stopped playing for this coach and went and played for his dad, instead. That’s when the claims were made. Tech was not “caught”. We turned ourselves in. Dawg fans should remain silent. We aren’t too far removed from Harrick-gate.

By GTNE80

November 19, 2005 09:47 AM | Link to this

KneeJerk, I appreciate the reponse, but “it quacks like a duck” and a truly clean program would steer clear of that kind of crap. Starting to smell the smell of desparation at my old alma mater.

I respect Hewitt, and maybe you’re right and maybe there’s nothing of substance there for THIS kid. My point is, what about the NEXT kid that they ignore the signs about? Will he or she be as clean?

Bottom line is that I’m picking up strong signals that we are falling into the world of compromise and rationalization for the sake of some wins. That’s what we’ve accused UGA(g) of for years and they’ve pointed the finger back at us and called us hypocrites and snobs.

If we were as serious about our reputation as we claim to be, I think we’d be a LOT more careful than we’ve been lately and we’d make the painful changes to make sure the trend doesn’t continue.

Instead, we’re keeping Braine and we’re extending Gailey. The only explanation for keeping Gailey is we think that it will send a signal of stability to recruits (of which we will get 6 or 7 less over the next few years). Compromise….

By KneeJerk

November 19, 2005 10:15 AM | Link to this

GTNE80- If we steered clear of every kid that a disgruntled AAU made a charge against, we wouldn’t field a team. If this kid never left this AAU coach, there wouldn’t even be a rumor. Besides, AAU coaches rank right up there with dogcatchers and telemarketers in my book.

By GT

November 19, 2005 11:53 AM | Link to this

I wonder what O’Leary puts on his resume now. They show his life time college record being so many wins and losses as a head coach. He might not even have a winning record after all is said and done. I dealt Central Florida gives a rat’s a*, they’ve got a winner. I hope that guy was joking about Taz Anderson. He is and has been one of the smartness business men in Atlanta. He also has helped make millionaires out of Kim King and John Dewberry to name a few. If he is dumb I hope I catch it.

By SHOCKED!?!?!

November 19, 2005 06:14 PM | Link to this

If Dave Braine thinks Tech “can’t consistantly win 10-11 a year, here”, while cheating, I wonder if he would like to offer an opinion on how many triumps per year we can expect with the NCAA looking over our shoulders. At least Georgia actually goes to Bowl games played in desirable destinations. I have a feeling THIS is the year we will be invited to New Orleans to play in the Superdome. The locals will be left to wonder the real source of the stench.

By Master Baiter

November 19, 2005 06:43 PM | Link to this

Well I’m back from a little trip to Costa Rica, caught some nice fish and had some really good steaks. It is heart warming to be back with my friends like GT, and GTNE. I always enjoy pointing out their false statements. All nerd footballers take calculus? Hmmmm,seems that an article that I have recently read said that Joe Hamilton is back at school taking calculus. Seems that he overlooked that crip course during the five years he was on the football team. Come on folks, Tech cheated, there is no way that so many athletes could be ineligible for that many years and no one in a position of authority knew it. Are you trying to tell me that some secretary was so stupid that he/she made this mess without any oversight from the management. I believe that I would have fired anyone that incompetent in less than seven years. You all really should quit crying, you get to keep your Silicon trophy. Also, whats with the Reuben Houston fiasco? He was punished too severly? He arranged a drug deal. Is he supposed to be forgiven because he was caught before the dope made it to the street? He wasn’t just passing along a couple of joints, he was middleman for a truck load. He knows enough drug dealers to get the call and make calls to find another dealer to handle huge amount of dope. He should be kicked out of school and off the team for associating with drug dealers.

By KneeJerk

November 19, 2005 09:21 PM | Link to this

with that user name, don’t question anyone’s ethics

By Chris

November 19, 2005 11:28 PM | Link to this

I can’t believe Chan let an indicted felon play.

By KneeJerk

November 19, 2005 11:31 PM | Link to this

Chris, after this win is that all you can say?

By SG

November 19, 2005 11:47 PM | Link to this

Hey, Mark, I’m right here! Now you Gailey bashers either get on board and support our coach and team or go find somebody else to pull for.

By Jay

November 19, 2005 11:47 PM | Link to this

Vacating games? The NCAA is so into these kind of symbolic measures. It’s the stupidest penalty I have ever heard. Take scholarships, prevent future bowl games, but, come on, the games were played, the fans watched them, the enjoyment was taken. I guess the NCAA thinks now we’ll; just all forget about them, since they’ll be expunged from the record books.

What a bunch of morons. The future penalties really aren’t that tough, but, it is a stain on the university, especially one that had prided itself on being clean.

We start over and tonight’s victory is a good way to cleanse the soul.

Next week’s will be better.

By GT92

November 19, 2005 11:47 PM | Link to this

Master Baiter, 1) Everyone at GT has to take calculus. Period. Unlike at UGA there is no where for the athletes to hide. The bottom line is probably a good 80% of the football players at GT have no business being there as is the case with most schools UGA included. The whole concept of student-athlete for the football and basketball programs is a facade. 2) GT is guilty. No one is disputing that. The dispute is that the penalty of vacating some 48 wins seems very excessive. Your SEC buddies at Alabama and South Carolina committed far worse crimes than GT and there is no talk of vacating wins there. If every school that played ineligible players had to vacate games I doubt there would be any wins or losses for anyone. Any before you start throwing stones at GT just remember UGA’s long and storied probabtion history. Does the name Jan Kemp or Jim Harrick ring a bell? 3. Reuben Houston should not be on the team right now. He is innocent until proven guilty but regardless he should not be on the team, and certainly not playing, until his legal issues are resolved. This is an example of what often happens when you have people who are not qualified to be at a college academically but are there for purely athletic purposes. 4. GT 14 Miami 10. Put that in your pipe and smoke it. UGA may yet be favored next Saturday but if I was a UGA fan I think I would keep my mouth shut so I wouldn’t have to eat any crow in case there is a repeat of what just happened in Miami.

By mem

November 20, 2005 12:07 AM | Link to this

First of all, I will state for the record that I agree that Houston should not be on the team (which Tech can do nothing about after a judge’s ruling), and that he should not have played tonight (which Tech COULD have done something about). BUT…

“This is an example of what often happens when you have people who are not qualified to be at a college academically but are there for purely athletic purposes. “

Who says the kid is “not qualified to be at college academically”?? Isn’t he on track to graduate from Ma Tech this semester? Nobody gets that far without being qualified, drug conspirator or not.

Great win tonight. Period. But I’d trade it in for one next week!

By KneeJerk

November 20, 2005 12:10 AM | Link to this

Please tell me Vern Lundquist is not doing the GT-UGA game. He’s a bigger UGA supporter than Munson. I thought it was just a man-crush on Pollack, but it has continued this year. Who’s televising the game?

By mem

November 20, 2005 12:18 AM | Link to this

Funny you said that, KneeJerk, but a UGA friend of mine swears that Lundquist and Blacklidge are biased AGAINST Georgia!! Unbelievable.

I did get sick of seeing Pollack/Greene highlights before and after every commercial break last year, but overall they do do a pretty good job.

I didn’t say it in the last post, so I’ll say it in this one… congratulations Coach Gailey, the entire staff, and all players on a memorable win tonight!

By GradyHigh67

November 20, 2005 12:39 AM | Link to this

As a ATL native of C. Long Hospital, this ol man will always be proud of the North AVE TRADE(TECH) SCHOOL…..THE GREY KNIGHTS ARE GOING TO THE “DOME”.THE JACKETS HAVE BEAT THE CANES, TOE MEETS LEATHER, THANKS JOHN HEISMAN!!!

By sammy

November 20, 2005 06:01 AM | Link to this

Ah the memories, we cheated like hell. Those were the days.

By GT92

November 20, 2005 06:51 AM | Link to this

mem, I feel very strongly that Houston would never have gotten into GT on purely academic grounds. I used to work as a tutor for the athletic department when Ross was there and I’m here to tell you that most of those guys had no business being at GT. Every class those guys took had a tutor available to them which certainly wasn’t available to rest of us. And you can be sure (I saw several incidents with my own eyes) that there was some shady things going on to get some of those guys through there. It happens at GT just like it happens everywhere else. My point is that someone who makes maybe an 800 on his SAT is statistically more likely to be involved in a stupid act likely facilitating a drug deal than someone who scored a 1350 on his SAT.

By GTSandman

November 20, 2005 09:10 AM | Link to this

I will remember all of them. Quite honestly, the truth of the matter is that IF THE NCAA IS USING THE SANCTIONS AGANIST GT AS THE STANDARD - THEY NEED TO LOOK VERY HARD AT EVERY TEAM IN THE NCAA AND I BELIEVE THEY WILL REALIZE THAT THERE WILL BE LOTS OF SH**T VACATED!

Let’s say UGA SEC CHAMPIONSHIPS, FSU, MIAMI, OKLAHOMA, Oh is USC clean - I might hire my own PI to really see if the NCAA is staffed to deal with all of the real stuff -

By GTNE80

November 20, 2005 09:28 AM | Link to this

Mister Baiter,

Check my record. I’ve never said football players took Calculus. I said that I took calculus, but I was not a football player at Tech.

For the record, I was a student during the Pepper Rogers years. I saw the football players on campus carrying books, but I can’t tell you whether they went to class or what classes they took. The program listed most players as Industrial Management Students. The course catalogue for a IM degree required one year of Calculus and one year of Physics. Those, dear sir, are FACTS.

By Chris

November 20, 2005 10:23 AM | Link to this

Tech helps its student athletes just like every other school in the NCAA. The fact that Tech takes on an air of superiority is what is the joke. The are the same as every other school. They have the same academic standards for entrance as most other schools. It has finally caught up with them now. And now they are letting an indicted felon play. I understand some whack job judge said Houston has to be on the team, but what does it say about Chan that he let him play. Pathetic.

By Tech80

November 20, 2005 12:39 PM | Link to this

For Chisolm to make that comment about Taz Anderson, he must either be jealous of Taz and his success or be punch drunk from an all night barking affair for their victory over Kentucky High School. Way to go Chisolm, beat up on someone who has nothing to do with you or your shallow mind and blame a man who has helped build Atlanta into the city it is today. This kind of comment is what Ga fans are all about, speaking without thinking.

By jacket in sc

November 20, 2005 02:13 PM | Link to this

Hey SHOCKED, where have you been? New Orleans is not even going to have a bowl this year. This just shows some UGAg fans ignorance.

By Robert

November 20, 2005 02:19 PM | Link to this

Chris, get a life.

Yes, Tech does “help” atheletes if you mean they provide tutoring. However, unlike UGAG or other “universities” where there are PE majors and the like, GA Tech does not have easy majors for their atheletes. Our football players are expected to take the same difficult course work as any other student at Tech.

Tech has an air of superiority over UGAG because it takes more to become a Tech student (higher SAT score) and you have to be a real student and not some party dude. UGAG has been and will always be a party school…. face reality.

By Al Davis

November 20, 2005 02:49 PM | Link to this

Robert,drop the sanctimonious academic BS. Can you say 52 counts of academic fraud? Can you say lack of institutional control? Can you say probation? Come up with something else. Your players are no smarter or any better a student athlete than anyone elses. You have been exposed and it seems that there are some still out there that just don’t get it. And now you just may be the ONLY school desperate enough to play and indicted felon during the same week that you landed on probation. Some of you guys are just priceless.

By GTprof

November 20, 2005 02:55 PM | Link to this

I had Joe Burns in several of my classes. Dumber than a box of rocks! He could barely spell his name. And I can site quite a few more. Most of them from the O’Leary days.

By Jay

November 20, 2005 06:47 PM | Link to this

This continued argument over academics is really humorous! I wonder how many of the UGA-boosters on this thread actually attended UGA? Interesting that in the state of Georgia, graduates (I have serious doubts how many actual graduates there are) of Georgia Southern, West Georgia, Valdosta State, etc, all are Bulldog fans (I wonder why?), while it takes a real Tech graduate to be a Tech fan (mostly). I point that out only because it’s funny.

Also, for fun, I went through the UGA media guide, here are the majors of the UGA seniors:

Recreation and Leisure Studies (is that “Partying 101?” - 4 Sports Studies (Huh?) - 3 Biology - 1 (ok, resident nerd) Sociology (i.e. “Meet girls”) - 2 Social Science Education/History (this may be a real major) - 1 Speech Communications (please) - 2 Housing (4 years to become a realtor?) - 1 Child & Family Development (in case your mommy didn’t teach you this stuff, we can offer a degree in it) - 1

Going through Tech’s media guide for their Seniors: Management - 11 History, Technology, Society- 2 Public Policy - 1 Unknown (walk on from Alpharetta - probably embarrassed to admit he’s an engineer) - 1

Anyway, checking the current Mgmt Course Catalog, it does require 1 year of Calculus.

So, let’s close the book on this one, Tech is tougher to get into, tougher to stay in, and, thus, harder to recruit.

By T'Ville Dawg

November 20, 2005 10:18 PM | Link to this

well, well, well, pencil necks. The chickens, it would appear, have come home to roost. The NCAA press release concerning GTU’s conviction for cheating its fool head off is fairly breathtaking reading. For an “Institute” that brays about its committment to academics, its integrity, its overall superior standing to other mere colleges in matters of ethics and honesty, this week certainly has been a revelation. GTU is looking less like MIT on the Connector, and more like the love child of Jerry Tarkanian’s UNLV and anyplace ever coached by Jackie Sherill.

Let’s look at a couple of the highlights, shall we? I do all the work here, so you, loyal readers, can reap the benefits. The link is below, if you want to savor the flavor of the whole thing yourself. INDIANAPOLIS —- The NCAA Division I Committee on Infractions has placed the Georgia Institute of Technology on two years probation and vacated records in several sports after the school improperly certified academically ineligible student-athletes to compete.

Ouch, baby. Very ouch. Widespread use of academically ineligible athletes at GTU. This wouldn’t overlap with their brief moments of pigskin glory in the late 90s, would it?

The violations and penalties involve the sports of football, men’s and women’s track and field and women’s swimming between the 1998-99 and 2004-05 academic years.

Hmmmm. Sure seems to overlap. I see “football” and “betweeen 1998-99” and “2004-05” right there. Quelle horreur, nerds. You’ve sucked since 2001. You can’t even CHEAT consistenly and win. No wonder Braine conceded that GTU isnt a 9 or 10 win a year school. He knew what was coming and just admitted the obvious. If you can’t win when you cheat, how can you win if you dont cheat? Maybe you nerds should have hired Bobby Lowder as a consultant.

The case involves 17 student-athletes over a six-year period being certified as making satisfactory progress toward their degrees, even though they didn’t meet the standards contained in NCAA bylaws.

Wow. 17 athletes. Want to bet they werent all swimmers?

All 17 student-athletes - 11 of whom were on the football team — were certified and received signatures from the four campus officials. However, a large number of non-degree-applicable courses were included.

Hmmm. 11 football players? I did NOT see that one coming at ALL. Surely this was just a little paperwork glitch, right? A, you should excuse the expression, TECHnicality, not anything major? I mean, you allllllllllll tell us constantly how upright you are, right?

In one case, 17 of a student-athlete’s 24 hours did not count toward a degree. Another used 12 non-degree-applicable courses in two consecutive years. There were also several examples of nine or 10 non-degree courses being used in a single year.

In addition, six student-athletes were allowed to count courses for which they received grades of D, even though their majors required a C to count toward graduation.

Wow. Yet, UGA is the home of academic fraud because Jim Harrick, Jr. gave 3 basketball players an A in a PE course on basketball that NONE of them needed to remain eligible (and for which he was fired and UGA drastically penalized itself). Who’s the fraud now, pencil necks? But, surely these GTU athletes weren’t stars or anything….were they?

“Many of these student-athletes were prominent members of the team, including multiple-year starters who had received conference and national recognition for their athletic performances,” Marsh said.

The committee pointed out that allowing these student-athletes to compete without holding them to the same academic standards as their opponents gave Georgia Tech a substantial competitive advantage.

Hmmmm. “A substantial competitive advantage.” For “prominent members of the team.” Because they weren’t being held to “the same academic standards as their opponents.” Why…that sounds suspiciously like cheating to me, doesn’t it? All this time, GTU people have sneered at UGA because of GTU’s higher academic standards…and it was just a big fat lie. For shame, nerds.

But surely, once someone over there realized there was a problem, GTU’s ever-so-ethical adminstration and staff cleaned it up and turned themselves in, right? I mean, if it was just a simple bookkeeping error, that’s what an honest school would do, right? Turn itself in, fix the problem, take responsibility? Ummmmm. Not in this case, it seems.

The report also noted that the institution investigated the matter in 2003, but failed to uncover the full scope of the problem. It was only after an investigation by the NCAA enforcement staff that the full details of the case came to light.

Now, it’s true that GTU offered some self-imposed penalties, about all of which were accepted by the NCAA. But, due to the seriousness and the scope of the lying and cheating, the NCAA added a few more to help serve the cause of justice. Here’s the one that caught my eye…

The institution shall vacate the performance of its football team for all contests in which the 11 ineligible student-athletes competed.

Does that mean what I think it means? Is the 3 game anomalous GTU win streak of 98-00 now a 3 game losing streak within the 7 game losing streak before, and the (so far) 4 game losing streak which followed? Is UGA now going for FIFTEEN IN A ROW, BABY?!?!?!?!?!

This will indicate some justice to me if this means GTU has to cough up the tainted win in 99, at least. I’d like to see the looks on all the smug residents of the Urine Colored Nation as they realize, wow…..there really IS such a thing as “universal justice”…

Chew on that one, nerds. I cant wait for the official word on the football forfeits, but F(ifteen)IAR,B is sounding good to me.

By TechFanatic

November 20, 2005 10:51 PM | Link to this

T’Ville Dawg, What are you calling GTU? Are you freaking stupid or what? You must be a UGA grad…

How many teams has UGA played that are currently ranked in the top 10? One. How many have they beaten??? How about 0! Let’s see, how many teams in the top 10 has GT played. Three. How many have they beaten? Two. You do the math buddy. Let’s see what happens in Atlanta this weekend….

By TechFanatic

November 20, 2005 11:05 PM | Link to this

T’Ville Dawg, What are you calling GTU? Are you freaking stupid or what? You must be a UGA grad… The games are not forfeited, the records are vacated, big difference.

How many teams has UGA played that are currently ranked in the top 10? One. How many have they beaten??? How about 0! Let’s see, how many teams in the top 10 has GT played. Three. How many have they beaten? Two. You do the math buddy. Let’s see what happens in Atlanta this weekend….

By T'Ville Dawg

November 21, 2005 07:29 AM | Link to this

Tech Fanatic: Looks like you can’t handle the truth. Your little “holier than thou” program ain’t all it’s cracked up to be. Playing with ineligible players and still not being able to win a damn thing! Now you have resorted to playing a drug felon. Your image is forever tarnished big boy! Your typical Yech logic and spinning of numbers only works with other Nerds. You play in the ACC- bottom line. We are an SEC team and thus, have no cupcakes in our conference. BTW, Miami was probably the most overrated, unoffensive , and unprepared team I have ever seen. And what was that score between you and VaTech? Ring a bell? Yes we will see what happens Saturday. You gonna be at the library following it on the computer?

By GT DK

November 21, 2005 07:59 AM | Link to this

T’ville Dawg: “We are an SEC team and thus, have no cupcakes in our conference” Soo…. what about Vanderbilt, Tennessee, Kentucky, Arkansas, Mississippi, and Mississippi St.? That is 6/12 teams in the SEC with W-L records of below 50%. There are only 2 teams in the ACC with records below 50%. So what was that about no cupcakes?

By mem

November 21, 2005 08:05 AM | Link to this

T’Ville, you only played 3 SEC teams this year with winning records. Oh yeah, and you lost to 2 of them.

By T'Ville Dawgs

November 21, 2005 08:55 AM | Link to this

GT Dick and mem, The SEC is a truly balanced conference, not like the ACC which is 2 teams and a bunch of basketball teams. Those 6 teams you named from the SEC would be in the middle of the pack in the ACC if not higher. BTW, my point was not about the “ACC or the SEC” but about your self perceived unflappable athletic program. Did you not read my first post? Can you understand it? I know English is not a prerequisite for all you engineers (what a joke). Your program is forever tainted as you use ineligible players and drug felons with regularity. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. FOURTEEN IN A ROW BABY!!!!!

By T'Ville Dawg

November 21, 2005 09:17 AM | Link to this

Nerds, and what is your record this year? How many losses? And you are in the ACC? I certainly wouldn’t brag. If you can’t do any better than 2 losses you are a disgrace.

By GT DK

November 21, 2005 09:25 AM | Link to this

Vile Dawgs: No, I did not read your first post, nor do I plan on it. I was only responding to the point in your last post where you said that the SEC had no cupcake teams, which it does. The main cupcake team being Miss. State, which barely wins any games. English is a prerequisite for all majors here at tech, just in case you were curious. What was your major over there at UGA?

By T'Ville Dawg

November 21, 2005 09:38 AM | Link to this

GT Dick I wasn’t curious. I bet all freshman take calculus too right? Just ask Joe Hamilton. Don’t plan on reading my first post huh? I know the truth hurts but the sooner you accept the facts, the better it will be. Your selective memory and facts are NOT the truth. The truth is you all are cheaters and play drug felons. BTW, one cupcake does not make up for the 8-9 you have in the ACC, including yourselves.

By GT DK

November 21, 2005 09:45 AM | Link to this

Also, since the vacated seasons are 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, and 2004 except the bowl game, the current win streak of UGA over GT would only be EIGHT. Additionally, I think I saw on a website speaking of college rivalries, that GT and UGA have met 99 times, so that would make Saturday’s game #100. Can anyone confirm/deny this? Thanks.

By confident dawg

November 21, 2005 09:53 AM | Link to this

It’s that time again. All Tech fans are getting out their hats and blazers and dusting them off. Everybody is a Tech fan. Everybody loves Chan Gailey. Tech fans are starting to talk their smack. Is there a reason to be worried if you’re a Dawg? Why, it’s just like any other year. Tech thinks they’ve got us. Tech fans are the most fair weather people on the planet. You don’t hear a word out of them until times are momentarily good. The real game is Saturday. You Tech fans can say all you want and strut your stuff. There’s a team coming to town on Saturday that has your number. GO DAWGS!

By buzz

November 21, 2005 09:53 AM | Link to this

hey dawg…theres no forfeit you moron..its vacated, aka they never played…wow youre an idiot

By T'Ville Dawg

November 21, 2005 10:09 AM | Link to this

buzz, I bet it took you an hour to come up with that comeback. Boo hoo, you got me. Obviously, the facts about your cheating program is wearing on you. By the way, can vacated be used to describe the tens of thousands of empty seats at Nerdland during your home games (except this week of course when atleast half the stadium will be wearing red)?

By GT DK

November 21, 2005 10:26 AM | Link to this

Just one more thing. Going back to what GT92 said about feeling strongly about Houston not being able to get into GT on his own, I just wanted to mention that I went to high school with him, and he definitely could have made it on his own. I’m not defending what he did or did not do now, I’m just saying that he definitely could have made it to GT purely on academic grounds.

By George in CNY

November 21, 2005 10:48 AM | Link to this

The NCAA….modern equivalent of a pack of Jack asses gone amok…They had no problem letting Colorado’s 5th down win stand (yus Ga Tech diehards know what that’s all about)but saw it necessary to vacate 47 games….Punish the guilty but what did the players that played and were indeed elligible do wrong? Bizzarre…

By UGAy Haiball

November 21, 2005 12:40 PM | Link to this

Hey T’ville Doggie, do you really think that the bottom tier SEC teams would be in the middle of the pack in the ACC? Really? Do you actually look at the facts when coming up with your opinion or are you just an SEC apologist? I think the second. So, go back and look at the records for your bottom tier teams. For crying out loud, a middle of the pack ACC team just beat a top tier SEC east team this past weekend (Clemson/SC). So please, shut your little redneck pie hole until you can bring some objective facts to the table. Bottom line, the SEC is down this year and your pride can’t handle that. I’m sure you make all the same excuses as everyone else about there are just so many good defenses this year in the SEC, but what that really means is that there are a lot of mediocre offenses. That is proven with the out of conference results against quality opponents. For example, look at Tennessee against Notre Dame. All you ever hear about is how strong UT’s defense is because they have played all the SEC schools close. But what happens when they get outside of the conference, THEY GET HAMMERED!! So, wake up, Doggie. It’s ok to say that the SEC is down this year. The sun will still rise tomorrow.

By Frank McLean

November 21, 2005 01:15 PM | Link to this

Sticking to the subject of this blog…Where is our sense of right or wrong on this issue? Calling the NCAA “a bunch of morons?”

There is no question that the NCAA infractions against GT should mar all of the games played illegally. Allowing ineligible players on a team is essentially the same thing as allowing players to use steroids. Both violations are CHEATING, and any games won by Tech under such circumstances should actually be overturned in favor of the non-cheating team. In other words, all games that GT played using illegal players should be marked in the loss column.

The NCAA was way too easy on GT by simply vacating games. If you cheat, you should loose.

Don’t we all agree with this philosophy? s Saying that every body does it is not the right answer.

If you want to feel sorry for someone, feel sorry for the upstanding legal noncheating teams that Tech played during that time. Especially for the ones Tech beat by CHEATING.

Cheating=wrong! Fire Brainy and Charlie Chan NOW!

By T'Ville Dawg

November 21, 2005 01:25 PM | Link to this

Nice moniker UGAy Haiball (?),

where have you been all year? SC a top tier SEC team? Son, you don’t know s** about college football. Yes, I really do think the bottom tiered teams in the SEC would finish middle of the pack in the ACC. Nice example with UT against ND. What does that prove about mediocre offenses? Didn’t UT put up over 20 points against ND? And they are one of the least offensive teams in the country. I have stated that the SEC is a little down this year a*****. Get YOUR facts straight before flapping your gums. The SEC has nothing to apologize for. It is undoubtedly the best conference every year. Once again, the All Chump Conference is 2 teams (not even original members) and basketball teams waiting for Midnight Madness. Face the facts Nerd: your program is a bunch of cheats (and still can’t win) and felony drug dealers. The truth about GT’s reputation hurts doesn’t it? Also, I am about the last person I would call a “redneck” but I’d bet you fit the prototypical Nerd profile to a “T”. Now go watch Star Trek and get ready for your yearly beatdown on Saturday night.

By KneeJerk

November 21, 2005 01:38 PM | Link to this

SC finisher #2 in the SEC Least. That’s top tier for that division. But isn’t winning the SEC Least like being the least heavy kid at FAT CAMP? Who has UGA beaten this year? The best team is SC which you said was not a top tier team.

By UGAy Hairball

November 21, 2005 01:39 PM | Link to this

Actually, I haven’t watched a single episode of Star Trek in my life. It’s probably one of the stupidest shows ever. Sorry, but I don’t fit your stereotype either. However, you still haven’t provided any facts to support your “SEC is the best” motto. That’s all we ask for, just facts. I’ll be waiting. Also, look at the way the SEC East ended up, moron. USC is a top tier program this year. (as sad as it is, LOOK AT THE FACTS!) I know it’s hard to accept, but there are at least four teams in the ACC this year that could have taken the SEC East. You guys are a bunch of delusional fans that can’t accept playing second fiddle. By the way, I’m just curious to know how it feels to lose to a team that even Tech beat? Have a good one and we’ll see you on Saturday. Just please whipe the tobacco spit off your chin before coming into the stadium. Thanks.

By KneeJerk

November 21, 2005 01:39 PM | Link to this

SC finished #2 in the SEC Least. That’s top tier for that division. But isn’t winning the SEC Least like being the least heavy kid at FAT CAMP? Who has UGA beaten this year? The best team is SC which you said was not a top tier team.

By Uga is damn ugly

November 21, 2005 01:49 PM | Link to this

The best record the SEC can hope for in the regular season vs. the ACC is 3-2 if UGA and UF win this weekend. If both lose it could be as low as 1-4. If the SEC iss so amazing, the best record to hope for should be 5-0 and the worst 3-2.

By T'Ville Dawg

November 21, 2005 01:50 PM | Link to this

Hairball, haven’t watched a single episode of Star Trek huh? OK (wink wink). No, winning the SEC East is not like that Kneejerk (though you probably know about that). Winning the SEC East means PLAYING in a championship game for the 3rd time in 4 years, something you Nerds will never see. Jealousy will get you Nerds nowhere fast. BTW, your spelling of “whipe” reminds me of the “whipping” you cheaters will receive Saturday night. I hope you get hit in the head with a “redneck’s” spit cup. Maybe then you will wake up out of Nerd dreamland?

By T'Ville Dawg

November 21, 2005 01:54 PM | Link to this

to that last brilliant remark by ugly something or another: get your facts straight (right hairnet?) before spouting off. Lowly Vandy beat down Wake in Winston Salem.

By T'Ville Dawg

November 21, 2005 01:57 PM | Link to this

hey damn ugly, is that some of that Tech math? Kind of like saying your avg home crowd is 40,000 when there are only about 20,000 actually in the stadium? Your fans do a great job of dressing up like concrete seats.

By DoTheMath

November 21, 2005 02:00 PM | Link to this

Do the vacated seasons and games mean that over the last 30 years Tech’s winning percentage is below .500? Has anyone done the math?

By gadawgs

November 21, 2005 02:13 PM | Link to this

TO ALL FIVE TECH FANS IT’STIME FOR THE YEARLY TAIL KICKING YALL GET EVERY YEAR BY THE BEST COLLEGE TEAM IN GEORGIA GO DAWGS THE FINAL SCORE WILL BE UGA 35 GT 14

By Uga is damn ugly

November 21, 2005 02:16 PM | Link to this

T’Ville, my facts are straight. Currently the only win the SEC has vs the ACC is lowly Vandy beating lowly wake forest 24-20. South Carolina lost to Clemson 13-9, and Auburn lost to GT 23-14. The only two games left are UGA vs. GT and UF vs. FSU. so where is the curvature of the facts? And as for “Tech math,” wouldn’t math that doesnt add up be UGA math?

By T'Ville Dawg

November 21, 2005 02:50 PM | Link to this

hey damn fool, it is your last spinning statement that doesn’t add up. And no, my friend, math that doesn’t add up is Nerd math. How many seats do you have in the Joke by the Coke? Nobody knows, especially Yech folk…..The whole point of your blog is suppossed to be about your program’s cheating and lying. How does that probation “add up” to ya? You Nerds are the biggest hippocritical bunch in the world. It takes a win to bring you out of the woodwork to profess you are championship contenders. You are simply fair weathered and the beat down you will receive Saturday will confirm this. Pounding Nerds is fun!

By LJ

November 21, 2005 02:54 PM | Link to this

It seems that T’Ville tries to make a fact, gets proven wrong then he has to dig for something else to whine about. Sounds like he can’t face reality!

By T'Ville Dawg

November 21, 2005 03:10 PM | Link to this

hey LJ, the reality is you are a Nerd and will always be a Nerd. Cheaters never win!!! Where did I get proven wrong? I still haven’t seen any answers on your stadium issue.

By LJ

November 21, 2005 03:26 PM | Link to this

T’Ville, you said USC was not a top tier team. Last I saw they were #2 in the east and if they had not beat UF you would not be going to the sec title game. As far as the empty seats; the majority of GT Alumni live all over the US not Atl. It must be tough being a red neck since you start most of posts with insults. I guess you get pretty tired mowing yards all day.

By Uga is Damn ugly

November 21, 2005 03:39 PM | Link to this

T’ville, I guess they don’t teach you spelling either because it is hypocritical. I am currently a student here, but I’ll always be a GT fan, if we are up, or if we are down. what about you T’ville, did you even go to UGA?

By KneeJerk

November 21, 2005 04:21 PM | Link to this

ABACDawg, just be happy UGA is the biggest tadpole in the SEC least puddle this year. The Padres of college football.

By jason

November 21, 2005 04:39 PM | Link to this

Ill miss the UCONN loss alot but mostly Ill miss the 10 game losing streak to FSU.

By Johnny Bryant

November 21, 2005 04:56 PM | Link to this

You Tech fans should be very proud of your win over Miami!! You played an “indicted drug dealer” ahead of young men that had been working their butts off all year for playing time! I hope your recruits take notice.

By George in CNY

November 21, 2005 05:08 PM | Link to this

T’Ville Dawg: We figure who a redneck is by what and how they say it….get it? Now collect your allotment of fleas, they are a gawgs best friend and go crawl in your corner, protecting the reputation of the country club.PS…last I checked Kentucky was in the SEC, as was Vanderbilt and all the other whipping boys the UGAH would love to play with two and three times a year…

By jason

November 21, 2005 05:14 PM | Link to this

As far as the empty seats; the majority of GT Alumni live all over the US not Atl.?

Yeah right, Look around pal. Most GT grad’s return to their home countries. I was just wondering about something. Did anyone else notice that there is only 3 players on both sides of the ball from Georgia? I mean, I realize that Tech likes to say “to hell with Georgia” But that is crazy. How does elitism translate to recruting?

By George in CNY

November 21, 2005 05:35 PM | Link to this

Hm….maybe the majority of Ga natives can only get admitted to the likes of…you guessed it…UGA or the half a* university in Tallahassee, maybe even Savannah State…And yes, Tech does have students and consequently Grads from all 50 states and God only knows how many other countries. That’s what being World Class means…

By WCA

November 21, 2005 06:19 PM | Link to this

I have to agree with ya George in CNY. Something about going to Tech turns the alumni into the perfect world class a#@.

By KneeJerk

November 21, 2005 06:32 PM | Link to this

For the billionth time: why are UGA fans on the Tech vent?

By Frank McLean

November 21, 2005 06:36 PM | Link to this

I can understand why none of you lovely folks don’t want to deal with this. So I am going to give you another try.

Sticking to the subject of this blog…Where is our sense of right or wrong on this issue? Calling the NCAA “a bunch of morons?�

There is no question that the NCAA infractions against GT should mar all of the games played illegally. Allowing ineligible players on a team is essentially the same thing as allowing players to use steroids. Both violations are CHEATING, and any games won by Tech under such circumstances should actually be overturned in favor of the non-cheating team. In other words, all games that GT played using illegal players should be marked in the loss column.

The NCAA was way too easy on GT by simply vacating games. If you cheat, you should loose.

Don’t we all agree with this philosophy? s Saying that every body does it is not the right answer.

If you want to feel sorry for someone, feel sorry for the upstanding legal noncheating teams that Tech played during that time. Especially for the ones Tech beat by CHEATING.

Cheating=wrong! Fire Brainy and Charlie Chan NO

By Frank McLean

November 21, 2005 06:52 PM | Link to this

I can understand why none of you lovely pencil muching, finger biting, AC/DC Techies want to address this calmity. It is very embarrasing to say the least. But this is very important. This deals with the very essense of why you are able to take an inferior team and make something more than spam out of it. So, I am going to give it another try. I am sure all you T football fans who in the past made Chicken Salad out of Chicken S**t can handle this.

Sticking to the subject of this blog…Where is our sense of right or wrong on this issue? Calling the NCAA “a bunch of morons?â€?

There is no question that the NCAA infractions against GT should mar all of the games played illegally. Allowing ineligible players on a team is essentially the same thing as allowing players to use steroids. Both violations are CHEATING, and any games won by Tech under such circumstances should actually be overturned in favor of the non-cheating team. In other words, all games that GT played using illegal players should be marked in the loss column.

The NCAA was way too easy on GT by simply vacating games. If you cheat, you should loose.

Don’t we all agree with this philosophy? s Saying that every body does it is not the right answer.

If you want to feel sorry for someone, feel sorry for the upstanding legal noncheating teams that Tech played during that time. Especially for the ones Tech beat by CHEATING. Let me give it to you in equation form that you can understand. Cheating=Bad! Playing Legal Football=Good!

Fire Brainy and Charlie Chan NOW!

By KneeJerk

November 21, 2005 08:42 PM | Link to this

yawn

By KneeJerk

November 21, 2005 08:44 PM | Link to this

Tech is getting both good and bad ATTENTION this week and the other state program can’t take it.

By KneeJerk

November 21, 2005 08:46 PM | Link to this

Nobody’s talking about how UGA “backed into” the SEC Championship game. The “buzz” is about the GT program. They should just let Auburn and LSU play for the SEC title. They are the only worthy teams.

By What about the Pros?

November 21, 2005 09:13 PM | Link to this

I can see that punishment is needed, but rewriting history? Once it was officially revealed that professional players were using steroids, neither their individual records nor their team’s records were wiped off the map, so why should it happen in college?