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BCS process is hopeless
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
That makes three duds in three BCS games, and only the Fiesta Bowl didn’t seem a mismatch going in. Southern Cal beat Illinois, which didn’t belong, by 32 points. Georgia beat Hawaii, which was a nicer story than a football team, by 31. And now West Virginia has beaten Oklahoma, which has become to the BCS what Kansas is to the NCAA tournament, by 20.
And I say: Heh, heh.
I also say this, not for the first and surely not for the last time: The BCS doesn’t exist to produce great matchups or even a truly deserving national champ. It exists to give the impression that a deserving national champ will be crowned even though the overarching goal is to preserve the bowl system in all its moneyed bloat.
This is twice now that, apart from the mythical title tilt, a clear marquee game pairing Georgia and Southern Cal was there for the making, and twice now that the match went unmade. The first time was after the 2002 regular season, when Georgia was No. 3 in the BCS standings and Southern Cal had Carson Palmer, who was about to win the Heisman.
Instead the Trojans wound up in the Orange Bowl — couldn’t blame the Rose for messing things up that year — and beat Iowa by three touchdowns, while Georgia handled four-loss Florida State by 13 points in the Sugar. Bad as that was, this year was worse.
I’ve long since abandoned hope that the BCS will ever get No. 1 versus No. 2 right, and now it’s apparent that even No. 3 against No. 4 is beyond its capacity. All we want is the prospect of a really good game, and instead we get Illinois because the Rose wants a Big Ten rep and Hawaii because Fox is desperate to drum up another Boise State. Instead we get three blowouts in two days, and who among us sees Virginia Tech against Kansas in the Orange tonight as the game to right all wrongs?
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By Doug
January 3, 2008 10:29 AM | Link to this
Finally Mark Bradley writes an article about college football that makes sense. The Rose Bowl is always the fly in the Punch Bowl, UGA and USC would have been a great game. It’s amazing how this country elects a President and chooses a National Champion in college football.
By Scott
January 3, 2008 10:31 AM | Link to this
First!
Go Dawgs!!
By Skydawg
January 3, 2008 10:31 AM | Link to this
I agree 100% Mark. The funny thing is, I feel another upset coming tonight in the Orange bowl. Call me crazy, but I feel Kansas may pull one out of their rear-ends.
By BirdMahn
January 3, 2008 10:35 AM | Link to this
The BCS is run by the influence of the talking heads at ESPN. What a crock of crap! LSU gets 3 chances to win the national championship this year? Bring us a real playoff!!!
By Dave
January 3, 2008 10:39 AM | Link to this
The BCS is a farce designed only to preserve the Bowl System. A playoff system can preserve the bowls by making the lower tier bowls as the first round of playoffs, the second tier bowls the second round, and so on. The National Championship Game would be rotated within what is now the BCS bowls. You could even have a consolation bracket with what remained of the BCS bowls to decide who is 3, 4, 5, etc. You don’t think that there is maybe 3 TIMES the money to be made in that format than what is now made? You think that the fans WOULDN’T go to the games if they were done like that? Yeah, like they don’t do it in every other sport, both pro and collegiate. Someone obviously has pics of someone else’s wife. That’s the only reason I can think of to continue with the current set up.
By SPectrumsp
January 3, 2008 10:42 AM | Link to this
Mark…
Home run for an article (I’m past football, now getting ready for Spring Training!)…
I read the other day that the Sugar wouldn’t release UGA to plan in the ROse…Mark, it there any validity in that?
By JB
January 3, 2008 10:48 AM | Link to this
Football people aren’t calling the shots, TV and the money people are. what a waste this year. What coulda shoulda woulda !!!!!!!!!!!!!Not going to happen. I don’t think Most college Presidents will support any kind of extended season. I think we need TWO polls. One East of the Mississippi and one to the West. Then let the two number one’s play for the title. All , and I mean all media people want USC in the game every year. Ask Auburn. The powerful Southern Schools don’t have a chance. I have no idea why they were hell bent on LSU this year ? I promise you, if USC and Ohio St. and Georgia are all 12-0 next year, The Dawgs will be left out, and That’s after beating Alabama, Tenn, Arizonia St.,LSU,Auburn and Fla. Ohio ST. will have beaten basically NO ONE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
By Ty
January 3, 2008 10:51 AM | Link to this
I think most people want to know and see who the best team is. Bowls will not prove it because they are only interested in themselves and not college football.
We need a committee to select the bowl match ups and then take four teams from those games and have a Final Four. No telling how much money you could sell these three games for to cities, sponsors and television. It would be a lot more than bowls.
Why a committee? It works pretty well for basketball. The clowns on ESPN would have little to no influence because we would no longer have to deal with incompetent writers who are voters. Teams would be working on their strength of schedule(SOS). Ohio State is a #1 seed with about the 50th best SOS. How many times did you hear the NCAA committee give a #1 seed to a basketball team for having a lousy schedule?
By Rick
January 3, 2008 10:51 AM | Link to this
Mark, do you and Terrence ever hash this out over donuts? That’d be a pay per view dual worth watching!
By Phildo
January 3, 2008 10:59 AM | Link to this
The phony baloney BCS does it yet again. Unbelievable. Here’s the answer.
8 top final BCS poll teams to play it off Quarter-finals at host school (screw the bowls) Losing 4 teams still eligible for other bowls Semi-finals at 2 bowl sites submitting highest bids to NCAA Final at bowl site submitting highest separate bid to NCAA All other bowls still played for also-rans. This puts more money in the school, NCAA, and bowl pockets, and it eliminates the never ending drama with the current system. Win-win-win situation
By dawgman
January 3, 2008 11:00 AM | Link to this
What a shame for Missouri to take home $1 million from the Cotton Bowl while Hawaii and Illinois take home $8 million from BCS “appearances” and I use that term with intent. Do you suppose Fox noticed the ratings in the fourth quarter of the Rose or Sugar bowls? THEY are who can change the system.
By Dawgcrzy
January 3, 2008 11:00 AM | Link to this
We all talk about a playoff,but what is it going to take to get one?
By Wood Dawg
January 3, 2008 11:03 AM | Link to this
Good article, Mark. The whole point of team sports is to compete against other teams to determine who the better team is on that particular day. That’s why Georgia has no beef with the fact that they didn’t play for the SEC title this year. They clearly had their chance to prove it on the field, and just weren’t able to get it done this year. Can you imagine the excitement/hype/advertising prices that an 8, 16, or even 32-team tournament would produce at the end of each season? Can you imagine how many more opportunities Lee Corso would have to make the wrong picks? It would be incredible! I hope I live long enough to see it.
By Russ
January 3, 2008 11:03 AM | Link to this
College football is a joke. If you like following sports where the champion isn’t determined on the field, but rather by people voting how good they think a team performs, you must also be a huge figure skating fan.
By ol'sport
January 3, 2008 11:04 AM | Link to this
I think “Dave” is on to something that could be worked with. That way, the lesser bowls still exist and maybe even benefit tremendously! His idea certainly makes for thought. Someone has to take the ball and run with it that has some influence, though. We’ll see if anything happens.
By BigDawgFan
January 3, 2008 11:05 AM | Link to this
Great column, Mark, unlike your compatriot’s joke column. Dawgs will be BAAAAAAAAAAAAAD next year !
By Richard
January 3, 2008 11:26 AM | Link to this
Of course, Georgia could always try and schedule a series with Southern California. Sadly, we all know that will never happen. Georgia doesn’t want to give up one of its guaranteed cupcake home games for a potential loss, even if it is potentially classic matchup. And Dawg fan, don’t argue about how tough the SEC is and that you lose a game every year to the Cocktail party. You’re right on both accounts. The issue here is why do you bring in Troy and Georgia Southern when you’ve got a chance to play a regular season game in the Rose Bowl and have practically every college football fan (and recruit) tuned in to watch it?
By Mark Kelly
January 3, 2008 11:27 AM | Link to this
The only way to correct this mess is to create a playoff system. Every other sport in every division has a national playoff system. I know the host cities of the bowl games want the revenue, but that can be coordinated for lower tier teams that don’t make the playoffs.
But really, other than the most die-hard fans, who wants to see two 6-6 teams playing for the chance to avoid a losing season?
Who other than crazies want to go to a bowl game after a 7-5 program fires its coach?
And who really cares when a 6-6 ACC team travels across the country to play a game in San Francisco and ends up with a losing record (and they go broke in the process)?
The 12 game season is financial slight of hand agreed to so athletic directors can add some more 0000s to their football ledgers. By allowing games against 1-AA (or whatever subdivision they call it now) to count for bowl participation, the NCAA has cheapened the product.
Add a playoff — 8 or 16 teams — and Division I football will finally have a champion decided on the field and the product will be greatly enhanced.
Get it done!
By BufordBuzzard
January 3, 2008 11:41 AM | Link to this
waaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh! who cares
By The Voice of Reason
January 3, 2008 11:50 AM | Link to this
Note to JB. Both OSU and USC cannot be 12 and 0 next year because they play each other in the regular season. If the winner of that game goes 12 and 0, UGA will not be No. 1. Arizona State is a good start but it ain’t USC or OSU.
By STRETCH
January 3, 2008 11:52 AM | Link to this
THEY DO IT IN HIGH SCHOOL, JUNIOR COLLEGE, DIVISION 1-AA, AND THE NFL…SO WHY NOT DIV 1???!!! HAVE THE DANG PLAYOFFS AND STOP WITH THESE BORING GAMES.
AND STOP WITH ALL THE SPONSERSHIP CRAP, I MEAN….WHO CARES ABOUT A “TOSTITOS” ANYWAY! AND WHAT THE HECK IS A “POINSEITTA” BOWL???? I REMEMBER BACK IN THE DAYS WHEN EVERY BOWL WAS EASY TO RECOGNIZE. IT WAS JUST THE SUGAR, GATOR, ORANGE, FIESTA, COTTON, ETC…NOW ITS TOO MUCH ECONOMICS AND MONEY HUNGRY COORPERATE GOULS IN FOOTBALL, AND IN COLLEGE FOOTBALL AT THAT!
By T
January 3, 2008 11:56 AM | Link to this
* Rarely agree with you, but do today.. this is the first year in my life that I have not made watching bowl games a priority… horrible matchups and late start times have made the less important this year. I am already pining for next fall*
By War Eagle
January 3, 2008 11:59 AM | Link to this
Hey Mark, you are still p*because you got a non-BCS bowl game coverage and you screwed it up (Chick Fil A).Have you ever seen teams have bad days,ex: UGA-Tenn,Bama-MonroeLA, WVA-Pitt?. Hawaii was poor selection, WVA and USC had good days, Hawaii was a poor selection. Final poll will be Ohio State-LSU winner #1, USC #2, WVA #3, UGA #4. The dawgs got a loose cannon with Hawaii selection, will hurt them in the final poll.I believe 10 teams in SEC would beat Hawaii.
By Klesko
January 3, 2008 12:06 PM | Link to this
Bradley, you are not bright enough to be writing for a major newspaper, even if it is the AJC. The BCS is fine. A few blowouts does nothing to support your argument. Are there not blowouts in the NCAA Basketball tournament? Did Buford not beat Lovett 50-0 in the state football finals. The BCS and the bowl system is what makes the regular season in college football so much fun to watch. Don’t break up a good thing because you are not smart enough to see what is going on. College football is fine the way it is.
By Todd
January 3, 2008 12:07 PM | Link to this
Limit the schedules to 10, but no more that 11 games and ahve all games completed by the last weekend in November [High Schools do it]. Take the top 8 from the poll, that way you will/SHOULD have at least 5 of the top 10 teams. Bracket and let them play. Have corporate sponsors with revenue going to the bracket teams on an escelating increase all the way to the final game. Leave the current bowl games in tact for the teams not in the top 8. That way the scools get their money. And bracket teams get their money as well. Enough said.
By BigP
January 3, 2008 12:24 PM | Link to this
The original purpose of the Rose, Orange, Cotton, Sugar, Tangerine, Sun, Gator and even PEACH bowls were to bring tourists to a city and to promote a worthy charity. From a football view they also allowed matchups that were not possible most regular seasons. All still great reasons for bowls games, plus reward kids for having a “winning season”.
Every bowl created since about 1970 was about the motivation to make money and copy the original idea until it’s just morphed into a ugly duckling. You simply can’t “undo” that much history in a few years. It will take 10-20 more years to get the bowl system in line with a playoff system. We have actually come a long way, but until you lower the impact of “voting” on teams and raise the impact of head to head competition it will continue to be highly controversial and political.
By Dave
January 3, 2008 12:32 PM | Link to this
Klesko, you are an idiot and obviously NOT a fan of college football. In a recent poll, over 80% of college football fans demanded a playoff. It’s the only sport, outside of the Olympics, where the champion is decided in a final opinion poll and not on the field of play. Go back to watching ice skating, Dancing with the Stars and some other meaningless revenue. The overwhelming majority of fans think the BCS/Bowl Selection Committee, in fact, are gutting college football. A true champion is dicided on the field, not a laptop.
By July Jones
January 3, 2008 12:33 PM | Link to this
Welcome to the world of the obvious Mark. The Bowl System worked 90 years ago. So did the abacus and the horse and buggy. National Champs ought to be won on the field, not through a voting process - computer based or otherwise.
How long have you been a sports writer?
By hop
January 3, 2008 12:38 PM | Link to this
maybe, the TV people will get tired with recent bowl tv ratings off 20-25% from last year.
then and only then will the system change.
college presidents will do nothing until the bowl pay-outs start dropping “big time”due to low TV ratings.
that will happen soon because people are finally getting bored by watching all the bowl miss-matches. the bowl system is a total joke and the tv ratings are reflecting the rejection by the lack of viewing audience.
By July Jones
January 3, 2008 12:40 PM | Link to this
Ignore Klesko. He’s obviously a UGA fan that loves the Bowl System because it gives him a way to argue why UGA should be declared national champion every year.
After all, they did beat the only undefeated team in College Football -Hawaii. They must be the best.
By Rog
January 3, 2008 12:41 PM | Link to this
War Eagle is right. Hawaii was a poor choice. Looks as though the BCS wanted to be sure of a Ga. win. They couldn’t beat Southern Cal. Ohio State or L.S.U.
By RT
January 3, 2008 12:41 PM | Link to this
BCS is not the problem No bowl system or playoff system will work as long as there are so many conferences that play at different levels. Pro sports playoffs work because there is at least some level of parity at that level. Not so in the NCAA. I’d like to see a rule that if you want to play in the BCS, ALL your non-conference games but one MUST be against top 20 opponents from the previous year. If you play a bunch of cream puffs, you don’t qualify.
By Dave
January 3, 2008 12:42 PM | Link to this
Can you imagine the euphoria, excitement and madness of a college playoff? That’s not even including the king’s ransom that anyone connected to the event would be making. It would make March Madness seem like a summer picnic.
By Jim
January 3, 2008 12:49 PM | Link to this
I dare say that if there were a play off system there would possibly be less, not more, interest in college football. Who remembers the basket ball champ three years ago besides the fans of whatever school that was. Chances are there are more people that remember Auburn going 13 and 0 and not playing for the championship. The way it is now football fans have something to b*** and moan about year round. The BCS may not be answer but at least we don’t have a Bear Bryant picking his bowl and everybody scrambling for what’s left. Sic em dawgs.
By Joe Davis
January 3, 2008 12:53 PM | Link to this
Not only does the flaw show up in the game results but the math doesn’t even add up. Take the three BCS rankings of #5 GA and #3 VT at face value.
Poll GA VT Harris 4 5 Coaches 4 6 Computer 6.25 3.75 Avg 5.75 5.92
Anyone want to explain how ‘fuzzy’ math changed a +1/4 point to a -2.0 point? Mark you are right, what a messed up system.
By Lindsey Scott
January 3, 2008 12:58 PM | Link to this
the BCS is a money pit - that’s all it is.
I’d have loved to have seen West Virginia kick the leg-humpers up and down the field like they did to OU.
Oh well…gotta hate it.
By Buzz
January 3, 2008 12:59 PM | Link to this
How IMPORTANT is going to a bowl game when 6 teams FIRED their coach for going to a bowl…. Most of these crappy bowls are a major joke. PLAYOFF system is a must, 8 teams, 6 from the major conference winners and 2 at large picks. Quit rewarding below average or average teams bowl bids. All the bowls games are fun to watch but only because we as fans will watch just about anything, give us quality!!!
By War Eagle
January 3, 2008 1:04 PM | Link to this
This like reading the Auburn 2004, blogs on BCS selections again, only school different(UGA). Auburn deserved to play for NC,12-0, UGA not this year, probably 2-4 teams better this year., but next year a real possibility if they can beat SC at Columbia, Auburn at Auburn and LSU at Baton Rouge. Of course Auburn is like a home game for the dawgs.
By Howard
January 3, 2008 1:12 PM | Link to this
Mark…millions out there share your frustration and disgust with this convoluted, dynsfunctional, ridiculous, and totally inept method of producing a national champion in Division I. I almost wonder if there couldn’t be a class action lawsuit against the NCAA and the BCS…why? Coaches and therefore their schools promise incoming recuits they will have a chance to compete for a national title…that is pure and simple B.S.! I read in a recent Sports Ill. article,which by the way is a magazine which also hates the BCS as much as anyone, placing the blame for the BCS remaining in its silly form squarely on the Rose Bowl and its officials. And after watching USC plunder Ron “Gadzook” and his Illinois team, I think it’s right. This BCS continues to thrive because: 1)college presidents love it because their team might get lucky…not skillful…and get to the title game or one of the big payout BCS bowls (witness what Hawaii and Illinois did!) 2) athletic directors love it because of reason #1, 3)conference commissioners love it because of reason #1, 4) many coaches love it because they know they’re not good enough to survive a four or eight team playoff system and can luck out through the whims of voters…witness what “Lobbying” Les Miles pulled off and what Jim Tressel and Ohio State did, 5)many coaches also love it because they can always fall back and blame the BCS if their teams blows big games during the season which keeps them out of the BCS title game…witness what Mark Richt and UGA are doing…think how embarassing it would be for a coach to blow it in an actual BCS tournament…say in the semifinals or the finals?? Couldn’t whine or postulate about what should or could have been. 6)the electronic media…specifically the TV talking heads love the BCS pure and simple and will say nary a word against it…gives them plenty of stories to run. 7) the fans like me and you keep watching this garbage and therefore the ratings are up and ad revenues are up and therefore everyone stays happy and has no incentive to have a playoff system 8)the bowls out there don’t want it because it would diminish from their games…which is BS. People love football and would still watch all these bowls…anything is better than ice skating or NBA basketball or world’s strongest man junk. The BCS will be here forever…unfortunately unless there is a lawsuit against it or the Congress steps in?? The public is totally screwed!!!
By Fan
January 3, 2008 1:25 PM | Link to this
No doubt the BCS is messed up. But sorry, UGA, just because you finished strong doesn’t give you an automatic “in” to the BCS title game. This year’s “controversy” over who should be mnatched up doesn’t rival 2004-5 when Auburn was undefeated yet ignored. Be patient - your turn will come soon! The SEC is making a statement with its overall talent and is finally starting to get the credit it deserves nationally. Don’t make the whole conference look bad by whining about playing in the Superdome a week earlier than you think you deserve.
By Beating Dead Horse
January 3, 2008 1:29 PM | Link to this
So many observers have said that preservation of the current bowl system is about money.
Who can answer this? In the current system, there is ONE meaningful postseason game toward determining the national champion, and 30-odd meaningless games. In an eight-team playoff system, there would be SEVEN meaningful games and 30-odd meaningless games. Why is there more money to be had in the current scenario than in the playoff scenario? No sane person can reason that there is.
It’s not money. Something else is up. Maybe the earlier commenter is right…someone has serious incriminating pictures of someone else.
By Lawrence
January 3, 2008 1:31 PM | Link to this
There is still a chance that Georgia could claim a share of the national title. If Kansas beats Virginia Tech and LSU wins unimpressively over OSU, Georgia could win the Associated Press title. I’m hoping for LSU to win 6-3 in a no-touchtown game filled with fumbles, interceptions, and penalties.
By JD of ATL
January 3, 2008 1:35 PM | Link to this
Right On Target Mark. The BCS committee are total morons. A 75 IQ college fan could’ve seen this all coming down the way it has. For the record I watched the GA Game…I have and will boycott all other games. Hey Fans: Boycott the BCS and all the advertising money…send a message like the Dawgs sent.
By Fan
January 3, 2008 1:39 PM | Link to this
Next thing you know, Bama will want to claim a share of the title, too. After all, Bear used to be their coach - that’s all the reason they need.
By Bow Wow
January 3, 2008 1:46 PM | Link to this
Georgia wasn’t invited to the Rose Bowl because of their gangsta image and poor sportsmanship demonstrated during the last part of the season. Contrast Richt’s childish behavior with that of Pete Carroll. It is a good thing for Georgia that they didn’t play Southern Cal because the Dogs would have been humiliated on the field and on the sidelines.
By WhatDoYouGotLoren
January 3, 2008 1:50 PM | Link to this
Remember, the BCS was concocted by the Commissioner of the Big Ten Conference because they couldn’t get a team ranked high enough to win a National Championship. The Michigan and Ohio State’s of the Big Ten will always have a national title shot becuase, aside from the ACC, their conference is, from top to bottom, the worst of the “BIG” conferences in the country!!!!
Michigan and Ohio State beat up on your conference patsies and play one important game in your schedule, against each other for the Big Ten title and the BCS title game.
Wonder why USC and Ohio State are always in the mix the past few years? They don’t play a conference title game.
By Really?
January 3, 2008 1:51 PM | Link to this
Who do you guys think played a tougher schedule this year? USC or UGA!
I’ll give you a hint… out of the 13 games that USC played this year only 5 of those 13 teams finished the season with a .500 record or better.
Out of the 13 games that UGA played this year 10 of those 13 teams finished the season with a .500 record or better.
Any thoughts?
By awesome
January 3, 2008 1:52 PM | Link to this
Until us fans get together and start boycotting games, there isn’t going to be a playoff system. Anyone with a half a brain knows a playoff system would be AWESOME. An institution as large as the AJC could coordinate it. We need to have a huge petition stating that we will boycott next year’s BCS championship game unless there is a playoff, have it delivered to the NCAA and then stick to it if we don’t get a playoff next year. Even if they start small (4 teams) with a plan to expand it over the years to 16 teams, that’s better than this crap we have to put up with every year.
Oh, and the argument that it waters down the regular season is a load of crap. How many seats have been left empty because of the conference championship games? Probably none. Get rid of the conference championship game, play 11 games, and then a 16 team playoff. The most any team will play is 15 games (only 2 teams). Everyone is playing 13 or 14 now. Like someone posted earlier, you can tie these games to bowl games and also have lower tier bowl games for teams that didn’t make the playoff.
Geeeees, it takes a little thought to make it work - but I’d bet those guys working for the NCAA all make over 6 digits - earn your freaking pay for once.
One final point - ask any I-AA team’s fans if they would like to switch from their playoff system to the BCS system and watch them almost kill you. Unless you have experienced the playoffs (like watching GSU win it all 6 times), you can’t appreciate how great it is. In 22 years of watching GSU, I have never heard any team complain after the season that they were the real No. 1 team - NEVER!!
GATA!!
By Rog
January 3, 2008 1:53 PM | Link to this
Lawrence, get real. Some Georgia fans will figure any way for the dogs to get to the top. As someone said earlier, schedule some real teams instead of pushovers. And to JD, the DAWGS didn’t send a message. The game was a mismatch from the beginning.
By Sick college footbal fan
January 3, 2008 1:55 PM | Link to this
It’s hardly enjoyable to watch games any more. Knowing all season long that the finale will be the BCS - it leaves one despressed about the whole season and the whole system. It’s not fun and entertaining, as some would say, to debate all this under the current system, it’s frustrating to the real fan. A playoff with 16 teams would still have it’s flaws, as they would be selected through the current subjective system of polls, but contrary to what others say, teams 17, 18, 19, etc., would only have a VERY MINOR gripe. It would be far superior to what we have today. If you’re an intelligent person, this is a no-brainer; whereas anyone who says we need to playoff is an absolute idiot.
By Braves Fan 79
January 3, 2008 1:57 PM | Link to this
I refuse to watch any more of these crap bowls and i bet the championship game will be a blowout as well! Nothing will ever change unless the fans backlash!
Stop supporting this JOKE of a sport and things will change!
On 2 a REAL sport…college basketball!!
Go GT…even thou we dont have a pt guard…
By USC Lost to Stanford
January 3, 2008 2:00 PM | Link to this
Bow Wow- I assume you didn’t watch all the THUGS from USC dancing all over the field like a bunch of idiots. It went well with the 6 personal fouls during the game.
By DisneyDawg
January 3, 2008 2:01 PM | Link to this
War Eagle, I don’t dispute your assertion about the 2004 season, but if ever there was a year that cried for the best 2 teams at the end of the season, this was it. And 2-4 teams better than UGA at season’s end? You’re in a small minority who believes that.
By Fan
January 3, 2008 2:02 PM | Link to this
Until this year, UGA has always been my second-favorite SEC team. But the show of in-your-face attitude by RICHT when he instructed his players to violate a rule and celebrate to the point of penalty made me sick to my stomach. There are better ways to motivate and pump up the players and the fans than to state it’s OK to break a rule as long as Coach says it’s OK. Georgia is a very talented team in its own right, they don’t need to party on the sidelines all during the game to stay motivated. Just think how good they might be if they paid attention to the play action instead???
By Virginia Dawg
January 3, 2008 2:04 PM | Link to this
I have a totally different problem with the current bowl system. Why do they schedule the major bowls on week nights starting at 8:30PM and lasting till 1:00am due to 3-5 ads playing every time there is a time out on the field or other break in the action. Besides irritating the viewers this must wreak havoc on the players having to wait that long between plays. Success in sports often depends on being in “rhythm”. Other than watching my own team (UGA)in the Sugar Bowl I doubt very seriously I will see more than one half of all the other games, including the BCS Championship. This has got to hurt viewership. Maybe that is why they have to show so many commercials because they can’t charge much for each individual one.
By Really?
January 3, 2008 2:06 PM | Link to this
Rog- you mean some real teams like USC plays? In case you didn’t get my point from earlier.
Out of the 13 games that USC played this year only 5 of those 13 teams finished the season with a .500 record or better.
Out of the 13 games that UGA played this year 10 of those 13 teams finished the season with a .500 record or better.
Should UGA look to get a tough schedule like USC has? I mean 5 out of 13 and they still managed to lose 2 games.
By awesome
January 3, 2008 2:06 PM | Link to this
If for no other reason, let’s have a playoff system because NOTHING else has worked!! Heck, we’ve tried everything else, why can’t a playoff get a chance? If it doesn’t work, what is lost?
By War Eagle
January 3, 2008 2:06 PM | Link to this
Dawgs, only way you got screwed is when you were not prepared for the Tenn. game, drop -passes in the SC game and played Hawaii.<<<. its not BCS>>> if record breaking upsets, especially #2 teams had not ocurred, dawgs(10-2)possible not in the top 10. As The Fan stated, strong finish does not put you in the NC game.Future is bright
By scope
January 3, 2008 2:08 PM | Link to this
I really think all this hostile energy against the BCS is a waste. Remember, it is wasteful to lose one’s mind!
Think about it, what does the BCS do? Tell us who deserves to play for the national championship, and its arguably done its best job this year. It also allocates the pool of teams for the BCS bowls to choose from, and only the bowl reps decide who goes. Its their fault if the bowl sux.
Even with a playoff, you’re going to have arguments about who gets into the playoff. To avoid, just make it the top eight ranked conference champions, no matter how bad they might be. Then let the bowls have their tie-ins and do what they want, except give them a limited pool of teams to choose based on ranking so that the higher ranked teams (computer polls only?) will play in the better bowls (ranked by prize$$ I guess).
There, I’ve solved it all! (bow)
By JD
January 3, 2008 2:09 PM | Link to this
The Rose Bowl got what it wanted. Not a competative game, but a chance to further promote USC. A blowout so that next year the polls will begin with USC at or near the top.
By Get Real
January 3, 2008 2:10 PM | Link to this
Bow Wow:
You have the balls to come on this blog and talk about image and USC in the same sentence?! Pete Carroll and USC may forfeit its wins and National Championship during the Reggie Bush era because of the Bush scandel that happened as Pete Carroll acquiesced.
And what gangast image are you talking about - dancing to Soulja Boy’s Crank Dat??!! My white, private school educated nephew in Savannah taught me that dance this summer. It’s a popular dance among kids today of all races and backgrounds. Get out of here with your racist comments.
And you have the balls to talk about USC on the feild. The same USC that lost to 4-8 Stanford. UGA never lost to a team that bad this year. AND you lost to an Oregon team that finished the season with THREE straight losses. Then you went on to beat a THREE loss Illinois team ranked lower than the the UNDEFEATED and higher ranked Hawaii team that Georgia beat in its bowl game.
A game between USC and UGA would be an equal match, not the embarassment and humiliation you talk about. However, if USC’s players acted like you, then Georgia would be much more likely to come out and whip the sh1t out of them. You are an idiot.
By jlpate
January 3, 2008 2:12 PM | Link to this
Bradley, who made you an expert on college football. Most of the time you have no clue!! The system is what it is . Without money there are no games or opportunities for games. The system is very similar to the one that was there before the BCS was formed. Forget about it, there will not be a playoff system. Dream up ways to improve the current system and send your suggestions to those who can make it better. Quit B**G and do something productive for a change.
By I know!
January 3, 2008 2:14 PM | Link to this
Fan- not sure you have been watching football but there has been quite a few coaches that have told there teams to break rules this year which resulted in a penalty. How many caoches told there punter to take a delay of game penalty so the punter had more room to punt? Pretty sure every coach has told his players to break the rules before.
By Top Dawg
January 3, 2008 2:17 PM | Link to this
SOMEBODY START AN INTERNET PETITION TO BAND TOGETHER AND AGREE TO NOT WATCH ANY BOWLS NEXT YEAR (OR BOYCOTT SPONSORS AND ADVERTISERS OF THE BOWL GAMES, ETC.) UNLESS SERIOUS TALKS BEGIN TO IMPLEMENT A PLAYOFF. THIS WHOLE THING IS ABOUT MONEY, AND SO LET’S HIT THEM WHERE IT HURTS.
By Dave
January 3, 2008 2:26 PM | Link to this
They only way a playoff system would work would be a playoff matching conference champions. Such a system would not have included Georgia who was no better than third in the S.E.C. How come no one seems to ask why Tennessee didn’t represent the S.E.C. in the Sugar? Georgia is lucky they got a patsy game. Quit complaining.
By JDAWG
January 3, 2008 2:30 PM | Link to this
IF LSU pulls out a sloppy close win, UGA should be ranked #1 in the AP poll.
By Jim
January 3, 2008 2:34 PM | Link to this
I believe the answer to crowning a national champion is really quite simple. The Bowl system is your play off and there needs to be one added game. The problem as I see it is the matchups and naming the two teams to play for the championship before all the games are played. As the different Bowl games are set up for success in both money made and a pre-determined outcome is wrong within itself. If the Championship was decided buy pitting the top four teams and all teams were matched according to their ranking then we would have a clearer picture od who the best team really is. I would first suggest that teams start the year ranked where they finished the year before. Second the Bowl games would pit 1 vs 3, 5 vs 7, 9 vs 11—— and 2 vs 4, 6 vs 8, 10 vs 12—-. The winners of the 1 vs 3 and the 2 vs 4 games would play each other for the championship. The Bowls would bid for the games or rotate throughout the years. Would it be a perfect system; no, but there isn’t one. All teams would start out shooting for a top 4 position and when it’s all over the chips will fall as they may. It’s an idea, will it happen this way, must likely not. Why, too much money and politics involved. To the Dawgs congrats on the game. I’ve seen a lot of things that said that Hawaii was under rated and such, but I don’t believe it, no matter what conf. you’re in a 12-0 record doesn’t come easy. This game just showed how good we are and how bad we wanted to show everyone. Yes we did lose to South Carolina and got our clocks cleaned by TN. We can’t go back and change either so why worry about it. There isn’t anyone in the nation who can say we are the same team today we were then. Next year looks good.
By Top Dawg
January 3, 2008 2:39 PM | Link to this
Dave: This is about doing the right thing year and year out, whether UGA makes the playoffs or not. This is not about UGA getting hosed this year.
By Fan
January 3, 2008 2:39 PM | Link to this
“Iknow!”: “Intentional delays” are strategic and happen all the time, not just for punts - it’s all about field position. Unsportsmanlike conduct is behavior, pure and simple. They would not have implemented the rule unless they felt that teams were overly celebrating. It’s an example of poor taste, no class, no manners, no civility. When Richt told his team to celebrate, he was encouraging and condoning a level of behavior that is going to be hard to rein back in (and it shows).
By trusty
January 3, 2008 2:42 PM | Link to this
First I will say UGA fans quit crying. You should not have been in the Sugar in the first place. I agree with Dave that it should have been Tenn.
Second, BCS is a joke. A true champion is not going to be crowned unitl the BCS goes away and a playoff system is put in similar to the FCS (1AA) has right now. But it is all about that $$ so I don’t see the BCS going anywhere.
By Ron
January 3, 2008 2:42 PM | Link to this
Dead on.
By jackson
January 3, 2008 2:43 PM | Link to this
We MUST have at least a 4 team playoff. 1 vs 4, 2 vs 3, then one more game. (6 or even 8 teams would be better for fans) The top 4 would be good enough and, only 1 extra game. Work out where they would play,like some neutral sites. All the players would like to know who is best, even in an abbreviated playoff. DO SOMETHING FOR GODS AND FANS SAKE. IT IS ENOUGH OF THIS BULL, well, you know what, SYSTEM.
By BCS is BS
January 3, 2008 2:43 PM | Link to this
We all know the BCS is here to stay, so let’s try to make it better. Here’s a start…Make all BCS conferences play a conf. champ. game. Yes OS and Mich fans that means adding Notre Dame and making 12 teams. If your conference does not play a champ. game you are ineligible for BCS consideration. Next, all teams must play out of conference games against other BCS conference schools. Again failure to comply eliminates that school from consideration. Finally, the BCS bowls will follow the final rankings to have 1-2 3-4 5-6 7-8 matchups..no exceptions. Just a thought!
By trusty
January 3, 2008 2:45 PM | Link to this
First, UGA fans stop crying. I agree with Dave you should have not been in the Sugar anyway.
Second, until the BCS goes away and a playoff system is put into place similar to the FCS (1AA) playoff system a true FBS Champion will not be crowned. It is all about that $$.
By XXXX
January 3, 2008 2:51 PM | Link to this
This is so simple that we should not even have to say it. Let all the mediocre teams play all the insignificant bowls as they do today. Now take the top 8 ranked teams. I can tell you that the top 8 would be available for one or two “extra” games. #8 and 1 play in the Orange, #2 and 7 play in the Sugar, # 3 and 6 play in the Rose, and #4 and 5 play in the Fiesta. Rotate these every year. The winning four play two games and the two winners of these two games play in a final game. So you now have 3 NEW BOWL GAMES which should interest all the money people. I defy anyone to tell me how this will make less money than the current stupid system.
By Fan is a baby!
January 3, 2008 2:55 PM | Link to this
Fan- You must be a fan of one of the teams we beat this year or you wouldn’t be crying about a celebration penalty. By the way Richt didn’t tell the whole team to celebrate just the players on the field. The team took it upon there own to rush the field. I am sure whatever loser team that you cheer for has never received an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty before. Get over it! Everybody else has!
By thirsty
January 3, 2008 2:59 PM | Link to this
Ohio State, USC, UGA all for undeated next year…the dawgs will get left out.
This won’t happen, as OSU and USC play next year!
By thirsty
January 3, 2008 2:59 PM | Link to this
Ohio State, USC, UGA all for undeated next year…the dawgs will get left out.
This won’t happen, as OSU and USC play next year!
By Really?
January 3, 2008 3:03 PM | Link to this
Who do you guys think played a tougher schedule this year? USC or UGA!
I’ll give you a hint… out of the 13 games that USC played this year only 5 of those 13 teams finished the season with a .500 record or better.
Out of the 13 games that UGA played this year 10 of those 13 teams finished the season with a .500 record or better.
Any thoughts?
By Top Dawg
January 3, 2008 3:04 PM | Link to this
UT is not the school, the team or the fan base that UGA is. So, do NOT start whining now, hillbillies. You barely beat Wisconsin, and as for the future, with David Cutcliffe gone (again), you will slide back into mediocrity very soon.
By Me O My
January 3, 2008 3:09 PM | Link to this
If Jim, Jackson, XXXX, and others can figure out some logical formula to solve this STUPID BCS INSANITY to give Fans, Coaches, Players $$$$Mongers etc. some closure, then why and what is the REAL holdup? THIS HAS GONE ON LONG ENOUGH. DO SOMETHING IN THIS OFFSEASON TO FIX THIS MESS!!!!!!!!
By Bob
January 3, 2008 3:11 PM | Link to this
Rog, You are a nut. Why for love of heaven would the BCS (whatever that mythical organization is anyway) want UGA to win or to lose? They proclaim their only intent is to crown the National Championship. That is why there isn’t even a BCS standing after the bowl games.
Congressional interference forced the issue for non-BCS conferences and once Hawaii made the top 12 they were REQUIRED to be invited…PERIOD. The Sugar happened to have last draw this year and everyone knew all along that if Hawaii climbed to 12, they would be New Orleans bound. UGA, LSU, Tennessee or whoever had zero control over that.
By the way, all those non-BCS AP writers thought pretty highly of Hawaii too, so don’t blame the BCS for that crap.
If the College Presidents insist on not having some sort of playoff, then at least lets modify this select process. End the Conference ties….each BCS conference should still get a slot, but not necessarily linked to any one bowl. Lets try to at least match up 3 vs 4 and 5 vs 6 etc. Make it mandatory that the top 10 teams in the poll of your choice get into the 5 BCS games UNLESS a BCS Conference Champ would be left out. A plus one would be a big help…not perfect, but a big help. But the Rose Bowl will absolutely NEVER give up their precious Big Ten (Eleven??) match up with the PAC Ten even if it meant Minnesota was playing Stanford. That will remain the biggest single hurdle to making something out of this mess.
By Bird Dawg
January 3, 2008 3:17 PM | Link to this
As much as I would love a playoff to decide the true #1 What would stop certain teams from sitting their first string for the final week like the pros do. I would not waste money to see 2nd and 3rd strings in the reg. season. I do like the thought of a committe to decide on a six team playoff,top two getting byes would make all teams fight from beggining to the end of the season
By BCS Slave
January 3, 2008 3:18 PM | Link to this
I agree that conference championships should be required in the playoff. But we still have a problem with the ranking system. The media and coaches are biased. We will never get a fair system if they rank teams. We need a committee made up of people who have no Div IA affiliations to rank teams. Teams should not even be ranked until conference championships. Then use the won-loss record, computer polls, SOS and head to head as criteria for ranking.
By Fab
January 3, 2008 3:20 PM | Link to this
UGA get over it. You’re not in the BCS hunt this year, so don’t get your drawers in a wad. “Fan is a baby!” - doesn’t matter who my team is. UGA’s team’s behavior at the FL game (and since then) was in poor taste by sportsmanlike standards. Yeah, most teams get them every so often, but when it does you usually see the coach chewing off the a** of the offending players instead of patting them on the back.
By BCS Slave
January 3, 2008 3:22 PM | Link to this
The media and coaches involvement in ranking teams makes them part of the BC$ mess. They have to go if we are to have any hope of integrity in the process. Those guys have too many conflicts of interest to be voting in the BC$. They make this a true beauty contest.
By R LM
January 3, 2008 3:29 PM | Link to this
I think that there is no doubt that USC did not want to play Georgia. The folks at the Rose Bowl were not about to have USC lose. They were not about to risk USC being number one. Let’s hope that LSU does not embarrass the SEC by losing to a team without a good schedule. They have been uneven at times and got in the BCS because of the lobbying of their coach from what I have heard.
By R LM
January 3, 2008 3:29 PM | Link to this
I think that there is no doubt that USC did not want to play Georgia. The folks at the Rose Bowl were not about to have USC lose. They were not about to risk USC being number one. Let’s hope that LSU does not embarrass the SEC by losing to a team without a good schedule. They have been uneven at times and got in the BCS because of the lobbying of their coach from what I have heard.
By Bob
January 3, 2008 3:32 PM | Link to this
I am not a USC basher. They have a tremendous tradition and one of the best overall programs in the history of college football. They also schedule out of conference better than anyone in the country. Period. It is not their fault that Nebraska and Notre Dame sucked so bad this year.
That being said, UGA played a much more difficult schedule this year than did USC. Counting the bowl schedule and opponents, USC played 5 teams with winning records (Cal, Oregon, Oregon State, ASU and Illinois). Eight of their opponents had LOSING records. UGA played 9 teams with winning records (Oklahoma State, Alabama, Tennessee, Florida, Troy, Auburn, Kentucky, Georgia Tech and Hawaii). They played 1 team at .500 (S. Carolina) and only three teams with losing records. Yeah UGA lost to S. Carolina and Tennessee, but that is nothing compared to losing to Stanford, a 41 point underdog. Georgia beat up on Western Carolina, while USC beat up on Idaho….pretty similar stuff there. BTW, a healthy USC scuffled to beat the 1-11 Idaho Vandals which just happened to be the last place team in Hawaii’s WAC. The Warriors beat Idaho by 4 touchdowns.
USC is an outstanding team and they might indeed beat the Dawgs, but lets not create mythical stuff here for the Men of Troy.
By bobbylee
January 3, 2008 3:36 PM | Link to this
USC already beat UGA once this year, how many times do you want to hear from Steve ?
By Bob
January 3, 2008 3:45 PM | Link to this
Fab, Get over that celebration in the endzone for crying out loud. It was supposed to be only by the team on the field and got away from them because the players misunderstood. Lesson learned for Richt. That being said, some of us are getting sick and tired of hearing that whining.
Fact is that the single most unsportsmanlike event in that game was the cheap shot on Stafford. Nothing else even came close.
And did you see the Florida stunt in the Capital One bowl when they went to midfield to taunt the Michigan team. Reptiles are stupid creatures aren’t they? I mean, you are heavily favored and you decide to provide additional motivation by trying to embarass the Michigan team in their coach’s last game. That was much more classless than anything UGA ever did to them. Pathetic is much too nice and yeah, it really worked didn’t it?
By Bob
January 3, 2008 3:45 PM | Link to this
A GOOD START IS FOR US ALL TO NOT WATCH VA TECH & KANSAS TONIGHT. IF THE RATINGS FOR THE CRAP THEY DISH OUT TO US GO LOW ENOUGH, THEY’LL HAVE TO DO SOMETHING.
By braveswin
January 3, 2008 3:45 PM | Link to this
“fan” I’m pretty sure thats a typo.The letter you’re looking for is up and to the left of the “n”
By GT
January 3, 2008 3:59 PM | Link to this
A journalist complaining about this situation, especially Bradley, is too rich. Journalists are part of the reason this surreal system has not changed. They don’t want the system to change. As long as the championship is mythical, hot air sells. It’s an OJ trial every year with the writers, the television analysis, radio talk show pundits playing the Cochran part perfectly, defending whatever special interest group suits their pocketbook. I think Wake Forest scared them to death last year. Ohio State has one of the biggest alumni base in the country, let’s make them national champions and win favor from the masses, making ratings higher and making more money compromising. When OSU gets blown out by Florida pretend not to have said anything, and then load up for next year like this year never happened. Nine out of ten journalists once again pick OSU as the hands down winner. OSU fans turn in to ESPN, buy newspapers and in general make money for the party that strokes them. “Your children sure is pretty, give me fifty cents”. You would think journalist at a news conference would argue more among themselves, instead they all seem to go along with whatever question is asked like a pack of wolves. One guy asks a question another guy follows up on the first guys question like they all are the same. Maybe they are. If they ever start running the country like they do sports, we are all in trouble.
By brooksdawgs
January 3, 2008 4:00 PM | Link to this
These blogs are fun aren’t they.
I just love the people that talk about UGA being a bunch of thugs. Give it a rest people celebrating is part of football in today’s world. UGA does nothing different than any other program and allowing the players to celebrate within the rules is good for the players. Richt didn’t tell the whole team to go on the field in the UF game.
Tenn. people on the board saying you all should have been in the Sugar. Come on, no conf. champ. losing team has ever done that. Also what makes you think you deserved it over UGA other than beating us on an off day. Cal, UF and ALA destroyed you and we beat two of those teams.
To the talk of playoffs. If you talk playoffs we will almost have to elimanate the polls or at least not care about them as what happens in college basketball. The field would have to be 16 teams or more. You would have to take all conference champs in D1 just because what if Hawaii would have been good as the talking heads thought. Oh and there has to be a conf. championship games. After the conf. champs there would have to be some group as with basketball that determines the teams. Record, SOS and playing only BCS conf. schools should apply. You must take into account the entire season and how a team has progressed through the season much like the NCAA basketball tournament does. Only problem I have is figuring out who and where hosts these. This would not be like basketball to accomodate the SEC schools you would have to have huge stadiums host this stuff to allow fan access and hell our stadiums are darn near the only ones big enough.
By Boots
January 3, 2008 4:04 PM | Link to this
There are entirely too many bowls. They have lost their importance.
Forget the bowls: #1 plays #2, #3 plays #4, #5 plays #6 and so on.
By lamar
January 3, 2008 4:09 PM | Link to this
Does everyone want a playoff?? You are in control of a playoff, not the BCS! If everyone would quit going to the games just for 1 year, this would cost them so much money that they would put a playoff in place so fast, it would blow you away. Yet everyone wants to argue about it, instead of doing something about it!! ITS ONLY FOR 1 YEAR & IT WOULD MAKE A DIFFERENSE. JUST REMEMBER, EVERYTIME YOU SELL A GAME OUT FOR THEM, YOU ARE SAYING YOU ARE OK WITH WHAT THEY ARE DOING!! IT IS UP TO YOU, NOT THEM!! GO DAWGS!!
By Fan
January 3, 2008 4:11 PM | Link to this
brooksdawgs, at least TN won the SEC East. UGA didn’t even do that much. Yes, UGA has a great team - now. But the first half of the regular season hurt them in the long run.
By BCS Slave
January 3, 2008 4:20 PM | Link to this
By Fan,
Yeah, TN won the east…barely. But what about the rankings? UGA was number 4 in the nation. Why were they 4th? Why not TN? This is the problem with the rankings. LSU was 7th and jumped five spots in the BC$ because the ranking system is SO FLAWED.
By Patrick
January 3, 2008 4:23 PM | Link to this
It’s nice to read something from the AJC that makes sense - thanks, Mark. Please tell your imbecile colleague, Teri Moore, that he/she needs to go back to jounalism school. Teri-Cloth Moore obviously flunked out or simply “entertained” the professor in his frilly dorm room in order to make a passing grade. What a jerk.
By BCS Slave
January 3, 2008 4:40 PM | Link to this
You know folks, it really doesn’t matter which school you support. The argument of who is best can only be answered in a playoff. The BC$ is a beauty contest. Each of our schools can be victim to it in any given year. Unless we come together and whine, complain, write letters and stop supporting the bowls, we will never get a playoff. We will never escape the shackles of inconsistency and bias that defines the BC$.
By That's funny
January 3, 2008 4:42 PM | Link to this
Boycott the Rose Bowl. Someone please start: roseblackout.com. Send this web-site to all of your freinds and have them promote it. We refuse to particapate in USC’s bowl game. It could be done.
By Fan
January 3, 2008 4:43 PM | Link to this
No one said UGA was ranked lower than TN. The Sugar Bowl has always invited the SEC champ. This time it was LSU and LSU got a better offer. TN could have been the second choice, as the SEC runner-up, but they went with UGA instead becuase of the higher ranking. So why complain?????
By Jim 70
January 3, 2008 4:51 PM | Link to this
the bowls are important to fans, the cities that sponsor them, and to the coaches who can coach their players for another month. the bcs is flawed but 100% better than the previous system.
as before, we need a playoff with the top 8 teams - but only the conference champion, not the #2, #3, etc. as somebody earlier said, the big 10 (11?) needs one, but not really. if 2 big 10 teams end up undefeated because they don’t play each other, the conference can flip a coin to see who goes. Take the next two best teams from mid-majors champions and/or an independent if ranked in the top 10. this adds two additional games, since we have five games currently, and takes one more week over the system as it stands today. but two teams play one extra game and two other teams will play two more games. big deal! and a true champion.
By Genius
January 3, 2008 4:58 PM | Link to this
I think they should turn the Rose Bowl into a PAC 10 versus Big 10 conference championship. Neither team has a championship game, and they can keep their tradition and parade.
By BCS Slave
January 3, 2008 5:02 PM | Link to this
By Fan, You missed my point. I’m saying TN could have been ranked higher and should have been, according to pundits who say conference championships matter. And if TN beat UGA and ended up in the CC, then why weren’t they ranked higher? What made LSU deserving of the ranking they had? They lost twice and somehow jumped five spots. My point was that the rankings are crap and meaningless. I’m not hating on TN or any other team.
By David Duke
January 3, 2008 5:03 PM | Link to this
Schools make millions off the bowl games and some of the players, not all, get prizes valued at $800.00 or so. It’s a professional sport for the schools, the coaches, some of whom are paid millions, and for the gamblers. Stop with the bull that college football is an amateur sport. It’s not! Not for anyone but the guys who play it that is!
By Louisian Dawg
January 3, 2008 5:05 PM | Link to this
How about eight BSC bowl games, then four games for eight winners, then two for four winners then a championship game, where the real National Champion will be crowned by virtue if victory? The slush fund of bowl games will survive and few could complain. It would only mean three extra games for the champion and runner up.
By J Rich
January 3, 2008 5:07 PM | Link to this
This will never happen, but…
If we as fans don’t watch or attend BCS games, we’d have huge negative impact on revenue from advertisers and gate sales. I would bet the format would change to a playoff in a hurry!
By BCS Slave
January 3, 2008 5:10 PM | Link to this
Jim 70,
Nope. Every school playing in a playoff must either have a CC or not. It must be a consistently applied criteria. Otherwise, we won’t solve anything. A CC is a competition. Winning a conference by having the best record is not the same.
By Bob
January 3, 2008 5:21 PM | Link to this
BCSSlave,
The rankings are certainly subjective. But Georgia is ranked higher because they had a considerably better record and at the end of the season they were ripping some pretty good teams. If records are the same, MOST, but not all of the time, the winning team should be ranked higher. But by the logic that the team that won should be ranked higher, then I guess Bama should have been ranked ahead of UT…wait, didn’t Bama lose to UGA? Well UGA should be ranked ahead of Bama. How do you do that if Tennessee beat UGA? No UT should not have been ranked ahead of UGA. Nor should Bama be ranked ahead of the Vols.
By McDonoughDawg
January 3, 2008 5:28 PM | Link to this
To all the UT whiners, UT wasn’t eligible for the BCS due to their ranking. You had to be in the top 14, which, obviously even to UT fans, UT was not.
By GoHawks
January 3, 2008 5:30 PM | Link to this
Anyone who ever responds “FIRST” (especially when they aren’t even first) to a blog is a total gay.
By BCS Slave
January 3, 2008 5:35 PM | Link to this
I agree that the fastest way to change this crappy system would be to boycott BC$ games. Since that won’t happen until enough fans are fed up with it all, I think we have to keep working to change the BC$ and bowl bull as much as we can by changing the rules.
I was watching a show on ESPN. They were talking about the problems with the BC$. Both the analysts arrogantly said there’s nothing wrong with the bc$. In their comments they showed no sensitivity to what fans want. Their bias was clear…the BC$ is about what drives the media machine. I am sick of media types and coaches being involved with the BC$. They have a sure conflict of interest and WANT the BC$ to be a beauty contest.
By Fan
January 3, 2008 5:37 PM | Link to this
I think people were just trying to point out that TN could have been in the Sugar Bowl because they were technically the SEC runnerup, not the BCS. Shoot, if UGA had played all season like they did starting with Florida, they’d probably be undefeated now and the indisputable favorite for the BCS!
By BCS Slave
January 3, 2008 5:40 PM | Link to this
Bob,
I was not arguing anyone should be ranked higher. That was not my point. I was merely pointing out what you just did…the rankings are subjective and therefore meaningless.
If UGA is ranked 4 and LSU can jump up five spots to make it into the NC, then the rankings are ridiculous.
By BCS Slave
January 3, 2008 5:53 PM | Link to this
By Fan,
I’m not sure UGA or any team, would become the BC$ favorite by going undefeated. That’s the history of this thing. It is inconsistent. It can never be science, but it can be better than it is now. The only teams that benefit from being undefeated are USC,OSU and OU. Look at Stoops and OU…they jumped UGA in the rankings and then get beaten by a media ordained weaker team. LOL. The media was hoping UGA would lose to Hawaii too. I’ve heard three people in the media say as much today. Bias.
By m
January 3, 2008 5:53 PM | Link to this
The only thing that sucks worse than the BCS is CHAN GAILEY!! He is gone and the BCS should be too. The BCS is the stupidest system ever invented. Let the teams fight it out….ON THE FIELD….not in someone’s opinion. Opinion should have no bearing in football…or any other sport.
By Bob
January 3, 2008 5:53 PM | Link to this
BCS Slave,
I absolutely concur with that.
By Rod
January 3, 2008 5:54 PM | Link to this
Mark write an article demanding that all the AP voters vote a different Nattional Champ than the BCS every year. ABC the Rosa, the Pac Ten, Big Ten commishes will take notice if we have 2 NC’s every year. It would be just as legit as the foney BCS Champ we crown every year. If UGA played Ohio ST and USC played LSU the Championship would be between UGA and USC.
By BCS Slave
January 3, 2008 6:02 PM | Link to this
Rod, right. We need pressure put on the BC$, on the college presidents, and on the media machine ESPN, CBS, and the rest. Only constant complaining, bitterness, and anger will have an impact because eventually unhappy fans will result in lower ratings. Lower ratings mean less money.
By Cuz
January 3, 2008 6:11 PM | Link to this
I am a college football fan, I don’t care about the NFL. But, with these bowl matchups, I am looking forward to watching the wild card NFL games this weekend. This bowl season has got to be the worst I can remember. Mostly blowouts, Clemson and Auburn has been the best so far. I as most would have loved USC-UGA. I am not claiming we would have won, I am claiming that it would have been a great matchup. We will never know thanks to the outdated bowl system. Look forward to more of the same next year.
By Fan
January 3, 2008 6:16 PM | Link to this
The current BCS bites, but unfortunately there probably is no way to come up with a system that can come close to making everybody happy.
If the fans vote, it’s biased. If the coaches vote, it’s biased. If the media votes, it’s biased. Computer rankings are biased because strength of schedule is subjective. Any combination of the above is biased.
Playoffs (like I-AA and basketball have) is probably the closest to an unbiased system, but it would drag out the season for the players (they are in school to get an education too) and - heaven forbid - would take $$ out of the bowl buckets. On the other hand, it would probably generate more $$ in support of the playoff system, it would just be redistributed.
Maybe they should throw in an academic factor to the whole formula - give teams credit for GPA, graduation rates, etc. It would sure shake up the current system but it would result in more players who graduate and have a chance at finding a job after their playing days are over. Of course someone could shoot holes in that one too - it would be hard to compare a GPA from one school to another and have it be equivalent…
I give up :)
By Veteran Fan
January 3, 2008 6:36 PM | Link to this
First congrats to UGA, I was one of the mistaken few who were predicting a Warrior victory. UGA is the better team and won the game! Having said that, wake up people, the Sugar Bowl was fixed by the BCS good old boy crowd! This is all about MONEY period! Why else would they send an incompetent PAC 10 crew with orders to run up the score to officiate this game. They allowed Hawaii’s best player to get beaten to a pulp after he released the ball until he became totally ineffective! Too many non-calls and weird calls to produce a lopsided result! For example, where was the official review on the sack of Brennan and the subsequent recovery of the ball in the end zone ruled a UGA TD, when the Hawaiian tackle is sprinting out of the end zone with the ball? Also, a five minute review of a fourth down completion viewed from two different angles on replay was a clear catch with UGA challenging the spot and an overrule saying the ball was not caught! Once again, UGA won the game and was the better team, but the margin should not have been this high! Because of what Boise State did last season, they had to let Hawaii into the BCS tea party because they had earned it on the field, however watch next season there will be no non-BCS conference team allowed to escape with THEIR money! They will point to this game for at least 10 years! College football at this level is morally bankrupt and it is embarassing to interview these kids who will not graduate and cannot even pass their on-line open book exams!
By adawgfan
January 3, 2008 7:15 PM | Link to this
Everyone says there’s so much money in the Bowl system, so where does it come from?
It comes from fans traveling to the host cities of course and the TV ratings. I just wonder if the bowls were converted somehow into a playoff system wouldn’t Boise’s stadium have had more fans if USC and Oklahoma played there in the first round rather than GT vs FS? hmmmm….
By Holy SH1T!
January 3, 2008 7:17 PM | Link to this
Veteran Fan:
People like you should not be allowed to watch college football. You are flat out STUPID. The sack, fumble and recovery in the end for a TD was not reviewed becuase it was a clear TD. Howard threw the ball up after he recovered it for the TD, that’s why the Hawaii defender came running out with it!! And CMR called a review because it was a 4th down coversion that was questionable. I was screaming, ‘The ball hit the gound, it wasn’t a catch!!!.’ CMR made the right call to challenge it, as it was rightfully reversed and the Fox Sports announcer who was saying that he couldn’t believe CMR would challenge a play at that point in the game SHOCKED me. It resulted in Hawaii losing possession of the ball. It was a VERY SMART coaching challenge, and one that turned out to be correct! What was Georgia supposed to do, pull the stop coaching, pull the defense off the field and let Hawaii score some points because we felt sorry for them?!
By Fox Sports Sux
January 3, 2008 7:21 PM | Link to this
With 10:26 left in the 3rd quarter, did anyone else hear the Fox announcer call the Dawgs, the GATORS?!!!!!!! I rewound that and listened to it 10x to make sure I hadn’t lost my mind. I was ready to choke that a*******hole. His partner didn’t even catch him and correct him. Where so they get these jacka$$es?
By BCS is a train wreck
January 3, 2008 7:22 PM | Link to this
The whole BCS process is a train wreck waiting to happen. When Little teams run up scores on smaller teams, the local sports writers submit them as a top choice. This past year Rutgers, U Conn and South Florida climbed to the top while they beat minor teams.
A reorganization of all schools should be in order. The ACC has Duke because of Basketball. Duke should not be playing football. The SEC has Vandy and Mississippi. Those two should play in a lesser conference. Sadly, my Yellow Jackets have been losers since Bobby Dodd retired.
Why not have a conference of Duke, Vandy, Ky. Ole Miss, Ga. Tech., N.C. State, West Va. S. Carolina and Weak Forest? The others could form a real conference. Arkansas needs to go back to be in a conference with Texas, SMU, etc.
Let Appalachain State play East Carolina and West Carolina. They do not belong in a game with Ga. and UVA.
Well, I think I am preaching to the choir.
By Tdog
January 3, 2008 7:27 PM | Link to this
To those who snipe against the Dawgs, USC only played two teams with a winning record, we played many more and we will next year and USC won’t again next year, just look at 2008 we have one at 6-6 and one with a loosing record all the rest have a winning record. If USC had the nads of (UGA the mascot) they could have influenced the rose bowl to have the DAWGS vs usc. USC won’t play a team the calliber of the DAWGS cause like osu they don’t have to. they play in the NCG by way of a weak schedule. IT”S great to be a GA dawg.
By Pewtus Gortsler 65
January 3, 2008 7:32 PM | Link to this
Steam arose from the balgum and folks could smell it. I drank dark liquor for awhile and felt a warm sensation run down my leg. I’ll see ya tomorrow!
By Pewtus Gortsler 65
January 3, 2008 7:36 PM | Link to this
I jumped on the the breakfast table this morning and popped mud in my girl friends cornflakes.The aroma of BCS she replied!
By Gary S.
January 3, 2008 7:41 PM | Link to this
Whoever come up the original idea of bowl games must have been an idiot. Teams have no business going to bowl games with 6-6 records. All the bowl games are about is money. They don’t care about the fans, the players, the teams or, the students. When the bowl games quit making money from the likes of Allstate, Tostitos, Weedeater, Poulan and other idiots who spend their money on advertising, then and only then we will have a playoff. If fans want a playoff all we have to do is quit supporting this idiotic system with our dollars. When we stop paying for this nonsense then we’ll get a playoff. I’d like to see Georgia in a playoff game next week against USC.
By Gary S.
January 3, 2008 7:45 PM | Link to this
Everyone has their opinion on who would win this matchup and that matchup. From what I saw this year anyone can beat anyone. Even more reason to have a playoff. Nobody gave West Virginia or Michigan a chance this bowl season. They won their games despite everyone picking against them. I believe Georgia would beat anyone they put up against them. They have won seven games in a row! Go Dawgs!
By onedawg
January 3, 2008 7:46 PM | Link to this
Are the college presidents team owners? They act like they are.
Don’t they really work for us (fans, taxpayers, alumni)? Aren’t they paid by us (state revenue from taxes, tuition, etc.). Give the fans what they want, a playoff.
By Gary S.
January 3, 2008 7:54 PM | Link to this
When are all us fans going to leave the land of stupid. We complain and debate about our team getting screwed. Georgia and every other deserving team is left wishing they could keep playing. I know colleges get some of the money from all these bowl games, but someone is making billions of dollars off this bowl system. We need to organize and go on strike to change this idiotic system so my Georgia Bulldogs can play for a championship. Cut out the politics and lets get a playoff!
By Pewtus Gortsler 65
January 3, 2008 7:57 PM | Link to this
Bring HOPE! Give every American a Billon Dollars. Give all colleges a football National Champioship! Handouts for everyone Vote OBAMA!!!
By auburn suxs
January 3, 2008 8:05 PM | Link to this
play off I agree, this bowl system suxs, or the winner of the BCS bowls play in a play off H3ll w’ll even give them 2 more BCS bowl game then the winner of the 8 bcs games play in the play off….. GO DAWGS < we have fixed the BCS….
By Foonister Phlug
January 3, 2008 8:12 PM | Link to this
I busted a dingy wingy in my jeans and it was sniffed by Dawg breath.
By shane #1
January 3, 2008 8:17 PM | Link to this
veteran fan,thanks for the props,i think!i was at the game and a late hit was called on uga on one play.the rule involves a players ability to stop.if the defensive player’s momentum carries him into a qb there is no foul,if he has time to stop or if the whistle has blown then there is a roughing the passer penality.also a head gear to head gear hit,or a shot at the qbs knees is a roughing call.a timely legal hit after the ball is released is called a”delivery sack”or a knockdown.coaches count these knockdowns and use them when grading their defensive players.colt has a very fast release,and uga has extremely fast lbs and ends.plus uh did not block well.this results in knockdowns.btw,7 sacks,colt took quite a beating while he held the ball!uga has 36 qb sacks this year,leading the sec.as for the fumble td,caused by another sack,howard scored by falling on the ball.the instant a player has possesion of the ball in the end zone it is a dead ball.grabbing it out of his hands and running out of the endzone doesn’t matter.a running back’s fumble after the plane of the goal line is broken doesn’t matter,td,and dead ball.i don’t think the ref’s calls had anything to do with the outcome of the game,believe me that third quarter was the longest and most boring i have ever had to sit through.uh did not belong at the sugar bowl and i think they would struggle against ole mis or vandy.the warrior fans were good people and know how to party!new years eve in the french quarter was a blast,the game was not.boise state,the media darling last year was hammered by east carolina,uh was hammered by uga,these guys DO NOT belong in the bcs.a fluke win over a down ok doesn’t prove anything,you still have to have the horses to compete in the race.
By Foonister Phlug
January 3, 2008 8:21 PM | Link to this
Rick Mangione has a severe case of swelling of the limbs. Beemer has a goiter
By auburn suxs
January 3, 2008 8:25 PM | Link to this
We were in a no win bowl , but we beat them down , just like auburn and fl, UA,UK, we came together and the coaches are great… if we would have lost , it would have been UGA wasn’t good…The only way to win it all is to win every game and make sure you don’t play a weak OOC schedule AKA auburn in their undeated season…Only losing three SR. starters. What I saw on the side lines was great how players and coaches were “git it done.”.
By Mike T.
January 3, 2008 8:25 PM | Link to this
By Russ
College football is a joke.
No college football is not a joke. The Bowl system and the university presidents thats keeping a true playoff system from happening is the problem. Pro sports especially pro football is the joke.
By Foonister Phlug
January 3, 2008 8:28 PM | Link to this
I spied on Frank Beamer last night and passed on notes to Mark Richt!
By Mike T.
January 3, 2008 8:35 PM | Link to this
at least TN won the SEC East. UGA didn’t even do that much.
Georgia and Tennessee were co chanpions of the East.
By Foonister Phlug
January 3, 2008 8:36 PM | Link to this
Mike T. yearns for “Dawgs will Lose”
By Foonister Phlug
January 3, 2008 8:45 PM | Link to this
Coach Rick Mangione of KU looks like he could bust the back out of the toilet!
By Mike T.
January 3, 2008 8:46 PM | Link to this
For example, where was the official review on the sack of Brennan and the subsequent recovery of the ball in the end zone ruled a UGA TD, when the Hawaiian tackle is sprinting out of the end zone with the ball?
Georgia’s Howard hit Brennan, the ball come loose and Howard covered it in the end zone, after that it doesn’t matter who gets the ball and runs out of the end zone.When the ball is covered in end zone, the plays over.
By Foonister Phlug
January 3, 2008 9:05 PM | Link to this
I bet Coach Mangione can produce some lumps!
By JustMe
January 3, 2008 9:10 PM | Link to this
To fix the BCS bowls, the NCAA should have a rule that bowls with any affiliations whatsoever MUST select the next highest ranked available team. This should go for all bowls, not just the BCS bowls.
In an effort to chase money, these stupid bowl ‘selection committees’ are getting match ups that are blow outs and not fun at all.
It should not matter how many fans the team has. It should not matter how much money the team has. It should not matter how ‘well’ the fans travel. All that SHOULD matter is what next available team is highest ranked, period, end of story.
If this were done, Hawaii would not have been there. It was an insult for UGA to play against Hawaii. The same can be said for the other blow out bowls.
Use the BCS rankings for this, not just the 1 vs 2 matchup.
By S.E. Dawg
January 3, 2008 9:18 PM | Link to this
I think there should be a Senate Committee hearing on the BCS. Seriously! I mean, there’s something rotten in the wood pile. OR, there should be something in the legal system to get this thing changed. Any lawyers out there.
By auburn suxs
January 3, 2008 9:34 PM | Link to this
this going to be something to think about UO got their butts handed to them and VT looks like they will get it handed to them also.. now if LSWho loses the three teams that jumped UGA will have lost their bowl games where they were all suppose to have won
By Zachariah
January 3, 2008 9:45 PM | Link to this
Maybe this explains why UGA was not in the NC:
http://www.centralohio.com/ohiostate/football/legacy/bowlgames/1993citrusbowl.html
By Mark is (still) a Joke
January 3, 2008 10:24 PM | Link to this
Mark, You continue to be a substandard writer employed by a no-standard paper. Your beloved dogs have an impressive win against an opponent that shouldn’t have been in any bowl game and your predictable “College FB is a mess” chant starts. I guess when you believe you’re entitled to be NC every year like you and most other UGA fans do and you’re last NC was almost 30 years ago, all you’re left with is “we should have been” arguments. It’s sad really - and takes away from what Coach Richt and his team accomplished this year. I’m a Tech Grad, have great respect for Coach Richt and his teams throughout the years and have many friends that are UGA grads (I even married one). But it’s UGA fans like yourself (and others who rant like this) that make Tech fans say THWG…
By thinkingDawg
January 3, 2008 10:58 PM | Link to this
I could not believe how many commercials there were in the Sugar bowl. I hated the game where espn was talking about tailgate food when the game was on and we missed a complete play. I thought espn was the worst, but now that Fox had the sugar, then Fiesta and now the orange, I just cannot believe how many commercials they run. Is there a good network to watch a football game?
By Insider
January 3, 2008 11:05 PM | Link to this
There is a reason that D-1A has the Bowl Championship Series and the D-1AA has the Football Championship series.
The BCS serves to make money for the bowls, schools and host cities.
The FCS serves to crown a true champions thus the playoff system.
By Tom Trojan
January 4, 2008 12:08 AM | Link to this
I agree with everyone, well almost everyone, that the BCS is a mess, but baby, if you get politicians introduced into that mess you got real trouble! One thought here, when Pittsburg beat WVA, that screwed the whole deal up! OSU and LSU to the ‘Championhip Game’ and if you think the Presidents of the SEC schools are giving up Georgia to The Rose Bowl, you better think again! I think it would have been a great game, but wasn’t going to happen! As PAC 10 champs, USC plays in the Rose Bowl, period. Loosing to Stanford is akin to UGA getting beat by Parkview High School, but we sure as hell got beat! Until Dixon broke his leg, Oregon was the best team in the nation! UGA got it’s act together and turned out to be a great team at season’s end. USC got it’s players back and was pretty good too. Maybe next year USC can play well enough to win the PAC 10 again, play in the Rose Bowl, that is all we wish for! You can play for what ever you wish for, national champs would be nice for you, good luck.
By Mike
January 4, 2008 12:51 AM | Link to this
I still do not think the playoff system will work. Looks like 8 is the magic number for a playoff system. Well, what happens if you are #9? Same arguments. So and so played a weak schedule, blah, blah, blah. I am a die hard Buckeye fan, and that is all I have heard for the past 2 years. At least we are trying. We had a home and away series with Texas a couple years ago when Texas was #1. After we beat Texas, still heard the same thing from SEC fans, we do not play anybody. Next year, we start another series with Southern Cal.
I wish all teams from the major conferences would play 1 game a season against another team from another major conference. How about USC vs Florida? UGA vs Oklahoma? Michigan vs Texas? That way, you get rid of one of the cupcakes on your schedule and you can see how you rank against strong teams from another conference.
By vesaversa
January 4, 2008 8:59 AM | Link to this
ye kansas win one more upset to be had who really watching these bowls games anyway i’m not just bit’s and peaces of them .the bcs have took the excitment out of the games for me bcs really need a fix bad, until the fans of these games stop watching or something happen the bcs beuracates will continue to make a mockery of the bowls games i am sick of it . go dawgs
By jc_atl
January 4, 2008 9:07 AM | Link to this
The good news is a team like Hawaii will likely not weasel its way into a major bowl again - their schedule was so weak that anyone could see that not only Georgia but the majority of the SEC would mop the floor with them, even on a bad day. UGA is the big loser because they proved nothing to anyone who didn’t already drink the red and black kool-aid. Playing a team like Hawaii is a lose-lose proposition. Richt should have told the Rose Bowl committee that if he could be guaranteed a spot, he’d decline the Sugar Bowl bid. A lot of the clusterf*ck is regional - the Sugar Bowl is determined to have a high caliber SEC team in the game because it guarantees fans. The same can be said for the USC, er, I mean Rose Bowl.
By LSU Tiger
January 4, 2008 9:17 AM | Link to this
It wasn’t the BCS that lost to mediocre South Carolina at Sanford Stadium and then later to sputtering Tennessee in Knoxville[a 35-14 blowout]. It was Georgia.
By Riddle Me This
January 4, 2008 9:37 AM | Link to this
UGA is becoming the next Miami Hurricane thug team. Hypocrite “That’s not how we do things at Georgia” Richt backpedals and spins the UF debacle with “the whole team was not supposed to do it” line. That was the tap dance after the backlash. Dawg fans, why is it okay against Florida and not against Vandy?
By No One Cares
January 4, 2008 9:48 AM | Link to this
No one outside of LSU and OSU fans, gamblers, and all the talking heads really even cares about the mythical championship game. That is not a jab at anyone except the BCS. The reason is that it was not clear cut matchup of the two best teams (too many choices this year), it won’t really give proper closure to the season, it’s not really a compelling matchup, and most importantly, the majority of the country is just not invested in a game that was put together by what is at best a broken and suspect system based more on opinion than play on the field.
By drew
January 4, 2008 9:51 AM | Link to this
I didn’t bother to read every blog, so this may have been mentioned already…
Someone posted earlier “what is gonna take to get a playoff”?
There is only one thing that will force a change to a playoff: MONEY
Where does the money come from? Advertisers (i.e. television). And why are advertisers paying through the nose for these games? Because of the number of people watching. If enough people were to boycott the current bowl games, denying the advertisers the numbers they demand, they (the advertisers) would insist on changes.
There is no way anyone can convince me that a playoff system (whether it’s 4 or 8 or even 16 teams) would not generate even MORE money. The only sticking point would be how is the new, bigger money pie would be sliced.
As always, the BCS is ALL ABOUT THE MONEY! And if change is going to happen, it will be fueled by money.
Personally, I have not watched a single bowl game this year (hey, exhibition games just don’t do anything for me). And that’s exactly what 31 of the 32 bowl games are. The only game that has any meaning is the championship game; all the others are simply glorified exhibition games. I didn’t even bother to watch my OWN team play their post-season exhibition game this year.
The only way I see a playoff happening is by getting into the pocketbook of the BCS.
The answer: BOYCOTT ALL BOWL GAMES!
As long as the current system brings in the bucks (i.e., viewers), we will be suffering through this same crapola every year.
By Mike
January 4, 2008 10:47 AM | Link to this
To take some heat off of T. Moore, I thought I would give you dawg fans somebody else to complain about. This mornings raw meat into the pit is Mel Kiper. Heard this morning on the ‘Mike and Mike’ show on ESPN.
Mike Greenburg: So Mel, who are the 2 best teams in college football today?
Mel Kiper: I have to go with USC and Ohio State.
Mike Greenburg: What about UGA?
Mel Kiper: If you compare the starting line-ups of UGA and USC, and all players are 100%, there would only be 1 player from Georgia that would crack the starting line-up for USC and that would be Couto.
Mike Greenburg: OK, so if USC and OSU were to play Monday, who wins?
Mel Kiper: It is a toss-up, but I would lean towards USC.
Mike Greenburg: What about Mondays game, LSU vs OSU?
Mel Kiper: OSU wins because of the athletes they have. LSU is not as strong as Florida was last year, and OSU learned a lot after what happened to them last year. Tressel will not let that happen again.
By Boycott, Baby
January 4, 2008 10:50 AM | Link to this
Boycotting would work, but it would require some short term pain. Auburn fans, based on your 2004 shafting, would you boycott the Chick-Fil-A bowl and leave your players to play in a near empty Ga Dome in order to bring change? Upset dawg fans, would you boycott the mythical championship game next year, even if your team was in it? That’s what it’s going to take to get change. I don’t know if the fans have it in them to do it.
By Mekvertikleiben
January 4, 2008 11:47 AM | Link to this
Mark… a few more years like 2007 and the BCS, NCAA and college Presidents will be forced into making dramatic changes. The only way to make a playoff work is if each conference has 12 teams, so they can produce a representative champion. That’s a tall order, especially when that scenario includes convincing Notre Dame to join the Big 10. I think it could be done, but will require somebody with bowling ball size goolies to lead the way.
By Big Dawg
January 4, 2008 1:07 PM | Link to this
drew
Of all the posts on this blog you nailed it as the only way things will change is if fans don’t watch the games on TV and then they don’t go to the bowl games. College football has become Big Business and the only way to change it is by taking money out their pockets. BTW IMHO a 16 team playoff with the current bowls would generate more money all the way around and while there would still be arguments that some deserving team was left out it wouldn’t be as bad as it is now. They could do it like NCAA basketball with # 1 vs # 16, # 2 vs # 15 etc. also you could rotate the NC game through the 4 current BCS bowls as it is now and do away with conference tie ins.
Go Dawgs and Go SEC
By Sick&Tired
January 4, 2008 4:16 PM | Link to this
I am NOT a UGA fan. I support another SEC school. I do think their fans have a valid point. The system is corrupt and needs to be fixed. The whole thing is built on fluff and false assumptions. For example, Why are losses early in the season now considered more relevant than losses late in the season when historically it has been the other way around?
First, fix the SEC. All SEC teams should have to play 9 conference games and of their remaining three games only 1 can be against a non BCS school. There is no reason to have an East vs West match up for the SEC championship. The two best conference record schools should play in the conference championship. If they are both from the East…. who cares.
Second - the ESPN/Sports Media/Industrial Complex needs to be taken out of the equation. The only reason Hawaii was asked to the dance was the fawning & hype of the Media. Common sense said they did not have the depth or experience to play in a major Bowl. They were used. The media ought to be ashamed of themselves for what they put HI through. “Strength of Schedule” was the excuse used against Auburn in 2004 but was ignored against Hawaii this year. In 2005 the media twinkled on about USC until the BCS game and Texas slaughtered the Trojans. Hypocrisy & inconsistency.
Third - Fix the polling. This should not be like running for Homecoming Queen. Look at the wild disparity among the individual coaches votes and even they don’t care enough (or have enough time) to take their votes seriously.
Fourth - Use common sense. Not all Conferences are created equal. There are good teams in most conferences but no conference is (currently) like the SEC (9 out of 12 teams were in bowls; 6 out of 8 bowl victories so far). FL lost their bowl games as much because the Mich players were driven to give their coach a win in his last game as anything else. Even the “weaker” teams in the SEC can on any given Saturday upset another team. For all the trash talking on the boards most SEC teams respect each other. Look at what Sylvester Croom is doing at MS State. Nick Saban at Bama scares me. The Evil Genius at South Carolina is not dead. Kentucky has had a phenomenal season. Can this same type statement be made about the PAC-10? The ACC? A rising tide will lift all boats.
So is LSU the best team? Is OSU the best? Is UGA the best? Is WVU the best? Is Mizzou the best? Is Kansas the best? Is Southern Cal the best?
We’ll never know.