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DEL.ICIO.USLobbyin’ Les should have given LSU more
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Mark Bradley
Les Miles was lobbying before the season began — he lampooned Southern Cal’s Pac-10 schedule — and here it is almost December and he’s lobbying still. His gripe this time is that LSU might wind up as SEC champion but wind up ranked behind Georgia, which would become a huge consideration if Missouri and West Virginia lose Saturday
Trouble is, Lobbyin’ Les didn’t need to say a word. His Tigers were ranked No. 2 in preseason, and they ascended to No. 1 not once but twice. His Tigers weren’t the same as Tommy Tuberville’s 2004 Auburn Tigers, who could never rise above No. 3 despite winning every week and were thereby shut out of the national championship game. Miles’ Tigers had all the votes they needed.
And they couldn’t hold them. They lost to Kentucky, which finished 3-5 in SEC play, and lost at home to then-unranked Arkansas. You can make the case — doubtless Les will — that both losses came in overtime and were therefore most unfortunate, but you can make a separate case that LSU took the nation’s best collection of talent and didn’t really dominate a worthy opponent since it beat Virginia Tech 48-7. And that was on Sept. 8.
LSU has lost twice since Georgia last lost. LSU was lucky to have beaten Florida and Auburn and Alabama. Its statistics — LSU ranks among the SEC’s top three in eight of the nine most important categories — would indicate a team of exquisite balance. To watch this mighty team play was to wonder if anybody was coaching it.
Maybe Les and his staff were too busy lobbying. Miles has been earmarked for Michigan since the Wolverines lost to Appalachian State, and defensive coordinator Bo Pelini has interviewed with Nebraska. Never mind that Pelini’s defense yielded nearly 1,000 yards in its past two games, or that Miles, who has never lost fewer than two games in a season, would be replacing Lloyd Carr, whose sin was that he could win every game except the one against Ohio State.
If I’m the Buckeyes, I don’t exactly fear an annual matchup of Jim Tressel against Miles. One takes less and does more every single season. The other takes more and does … well, Les.
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By JB
November 29, 2007 10:07 AM | Link to this
Miles is overrated. I think he is a good coach, but there are several better than he, including our own MARK RICHT ! He can lobby all he wants, you win the National title on the field, not in the paper !
By Herschel Talker
November 29, 2007 10:11 AM | Link to this
First!
You nailed it Mark. Adios, Les. Now let’s see that idiot get steamrolled by Tressel year after year with his moronic playcalling and terrible time management.
By dogpoop
November 29, 2007 10:28 AM | Link to this
Name a coach in the History of the SEC who has a better 1st 3 year coaching record than Les Miles….?? And don’t tell me they were Nick Saban’s recruit….they are LSU recurits…Get off of Les Miles case…Luck is where preparation meets opportunity…
By Markwipe
November 29, 2007 10:35 AM | Link to this
Until we come up with a College Football Playoff system…Lobbying unfortunately is a vital cog in the BCS factor…aka…Urban Meyer last year….Stoops, Mack Brown…So don’t blame Les Miles…blame the p** poor BCS process….
By Doug
November 29, 2007 10:44 AM | Link to this
Les Miles may have the best first-three-years coaching record in the SEC in some time at 32-6, but Mark Richt went 32-8 his first three years (with a cupboard considerably less stocked than the one Saban left Miles), so let’s don’t act like Les reinvented the wheel here.
I used to think that Miles was unfairly underrated as a coach, but now I’m not so sure — it floors me that with a freakin’ SEC title game coming up, he’s still spending this much time grousing about Georgia getting a national-title shot (when probably neither Georgia nor LSU will get one in the end). Has he really not learned his lesson? It was painfully obvious during the Arkansas game that Les had one eye on New Orleans, the other one on Ann Arbor, and neither one on the Hogs; if he can’t get any better focused this weekend, Tennessee is plenty good enough to make him regret it.
And this is coming from a Dawg fan who doesn’t think we should go to the national-title game, either; as long as we get an at-large BCS bid, it’s fine with me. The only team I’m looking out for here is my own. Maybe Les should take a hint from that.
By Moe
November 29, 2007 10:45 AM | Link to this
LSU has won games in spite of Les Miles.
You are exactly right, he does less with more than anyone in the country.
By Jim
November 29, 2007 10:47 AM | Link to this
People can do more than one thing at a time. Les Miles can lobby for his team AND coach them. The whole premise of this article is really silly. Do you really think his coaching suffered because he lobbied for his team when he was being interviewed?
By belueboy
November 29, 2007 10:56 AM | Link to this
I have to agree with Markwipes comments…
Until we come up with a College Football Playoff system…Lobbying unfortunately is a vital cog in the BCS factor…aka…Urban Meyer last year….Stoops, Mack Brown…So don’t blame Les Miles…blame the p** poor BCS process….
By Bayou Bill
November 29, 2007 11:12 AM | Link to this
As an astute appreciator of the theater of the college game, my first impression of Mr. Miles, one that still resonates today, was that of lug head. He looks like he ought to be the stereotypical doofus in an Adam Sandler football movie. I wouldn’t let my boy play for him on dumb-looks principle alone. Looks like he’s channeling Ray Goff. … On another subject, that Kansas coach fellow looks like he just swallowed Ralph Friedgen and pretty much every ounce of Gatorade on the planet. That’s one big boy. Wouldn’t let my boy play for him on the that-feller’s-too-hefty principle.
By Ramblin Wrecker
November 29, 2007 11:22 AM | Link to this
I don’t know whether the debate should be if Les Miles is underrated or overrated as a coach. I think the real debate is, is LSU really as good as people think they are? I don’t think so. They thumped VATech, but I said at the time that anyone who makes a lot out of that blowout, should take a closer look at VT. VT had no offense at least until they came to Atlanta. (that just describes the sad state of affairs on the flats, not LSU’s dominance). Plus LSU lost to KY and Arkansas, and had all they could handle from Florida, Auburn and yes, Alabama. Even South Carolina gave them a tough game. It’s not just about the losses. When you look at LSU’s season on the whole you start to see cracks in the armor. LSU started out allowing on 7 points in their first 3 games. But after that their opponents scored 16, 9, 24, 43, 24, 34, 10, 24, 50. Those are not the scores given up of a dominant defense. Compared to last season where LSU’s highest points given up all year was 26 in a win over Arkansas (where they held off a 300 yard rushing effort by RunDMC & Felix Jones). Even in losses, their defense was great & good, losing 7-3 to Auburn and 23-10 to Florida. I think LSU was a way better team last year and have been coasting on fumes of their past success this season. I mean you don’t go from beating KY 49-0 and Ark 31-26 to losing and giving up 43 & 50 points respectively, without some sort of talent drop off. I know Miles is sniping about UGA getting mentioned as the top 2 loss team and could slip into the national title game without an SEC belt on their shoulders. But what you won’t hear him say is that he wishes he could play UGA to prove they don’t belong there. He’s counting his lucky stars (much like he did all season for his own team) that Tennessee was able to miraculously hold off Vandy and KY to get to Atlanta. Nobody wants to play UGA right now. You don’t think they’d be favored over Ohio State?
By BL
November 29, 2007 11:38 AM | Link to this
RW..since uga was not good enough to win the SEC East (lost to usc & bama?) and get a shot at LSU…your statement is invalid…I think uga come down to Baton Rouge next year…we shall see how much uga is wanting LSU with Jack Del Rio coaching LSU.
By DBOY
November 29, 2007 11:55 AM | Link to this
Well BL since you wanna talk about The LSU matchup next year just remember the whipping UGA gave LSU in 05 to win the SEC Championship!!
By Indydawg
November 29, 2007 12:00 PM | Link to this
BL, you are a moron. How about you guys not being good enough to win against Kentucky and Arkansas with that overrated defense?
By the way, the other loss UGA had was against Tennessee and if you lose to UT, you guys really do suck.
Learn to put together a complete sentence, you make the LSU nation look bad.
“Jack Del Rio”…give me a break.
By T-TownDawg
November 29, 2007 12:04 PM | Link to this
BL, UGA didn’t lose to Bama. We beat them in ot. We did, however, lose to Tenn. I don’t think we deserve a shot at the NC, but neither does Ohio St. Why isn’t anyone talking about their unworthiness. They didn’t beat anybody this year and lost to the only ranked team they played. UGA will get what it deserves in a BCS bowl and all Dawgs should be happy with that in what was supposed to be a rebuilding year.
By BL
November 29, 2007 12:08 PM | Link to this
Dgirl…and before that in the 2003 SEC Championship game… LSU walked the Dog…it was in the National Championship year…something which you have not seen in your lifetime except in gymnatstics….Overall/Lifetime LSU has a winning record against uga.
By ebdawg
November 29, 2007 12:09 PM | Link to this
You nailed this time Mark. LSU had their chance and they blew it, TWICE!! UGA has won six straight, and would deserve a shot. If we were talking VOLS over UGA getting a shot, I wouldn’t argue.. since they did beat UGA. But LSU has blown it twice, and should NOT get another shot. Go cry on Bourbon street Les.
By ebdawg
November 29, 2007 12:10 PM | Link to this
You nailed it this time Mark. LSU had their chance and they blew it, TWICE!! UGA has won six straight, and would deserve a shot. If we were talking VOLS over UGA getting a shot, I wouldn’t argue.. since they did beat UGA. But LSU has blown it twice, and should NOT get another shot. Go cry on Bourbon street Les.
By dawgfacedboy
November 29, 2007 12:19 PM | Link to this
I have to agree with T-town dawg. I don’t think we deserve a shot at the NC this year (i’d obviously take it if they gave it to us). If we had handled a business against a lousy S.C. team we wouldn’t be in this position! LSU lost two games in the last 5 weeks (is my math right??) to unranked teams, albeit in overtime, but still they were unranked teams. The fact that they only dropped to #7 is laughable! The only other team that could pull that crap is OSU. Don’t even get me started with OSU!! Their schedule is a JOKE!!!!! Not one top 20 team at the time they played and they lost to the only now ranked team (Illinois).
Then again, somebody tell me who WVU or Mizz played to get to where they are at!! Obviously strength of schedule doesn’t play a big part in the rankings!!!
By Good Guy
November 29, 2007 12:40 PM | Link to this
Hey Dogpoop, Yeah, I’ll tell you that yes Les Miles is coaching Nick Saban’s recruits, not LSU. But I do think he is a good coach, not a great coach yet until he’s been there several years with his players. But someone has to coach these kids, so I’m not putting the guy down. A point can be made though that LSU probally should get some serious consideration if they win the SEC title game if Mizzou and WV lose but I agreee with Mark, It’s not like LSU worked there way up the rankings. They were already there in the beginning (Pre-Season #2). They lost twice during that stretch when UGA kept winning. LSU was #1 twice and all you had to do was keep winning.
You don’t keep giving them opportunities. That’s like giving a friend a break for a good position on a job and they keep getting fired. Well you don’t keep going out of your way to help them by giving them another chance and they keep doing the same thing. I believe in second chances but not a third chance in this game. No way LSU jumps UGA. Although I believe that winning the SEC CG is a big deal but not when it comes to rankings and jumping other teams. No Way!!!
By UGAY
November 29, 2007 12:41 PM | Link to this
by the way UK was ranked when they beat LSU so just like UGAY we have one loss to an unranked team..get yor facts straight..besides why would give a team that can’t even win their divsion much the conference a chance at a NC..you UGAY fans need to figure it out…
By ebdawg
November 29, 2007 12:45 PM | Link to this
Hey BL don’t forget 2004 in Athens, 45-16.. the Dawgs spanked the Tiger. That would be two in a row? Just admit it.. LSU blew their chance. Les Miles is lucky he got past Auburn, or you guys would have no shot at all. I hate rooting for Orange.. but I have to say, Go Vols. Losing Saturday would hopefully shut the Tigers up.
By junkyarddawg
November 29, 2007 12:46 PM | Link to this
BL what makes LSU so great? they lost two sec games just as UGA did. the only thing different is that we lost to tenn and then won six games straight, while yall lost just last week to ark. the east side is just more dominant this year.
By ebdawg
November 29, 2007 12:49 PM | Link to this
UGAY must be another Tech fan upset about number SEVEN in a row.
By TDone
November 29, 2007 12:50 PM | Link to this
Mark, what was your position when Urban Meyer did his lobbying last year?
By dogpoop
November 29, 2007 12:52 PM | Link to this
When LSU beats UT they will rise above uga in the BCS rankings…this is a no brainer.
By Lev
November 29, 2007 12:55 PM | Link to this
Does UGA really deserve to be in the title game with 2 losses? I say give Hawaii or Kansas a chance before you worry about any SEC team. It’s not like any team that gets there is going to be remembered as a great team anyway, at least we’d have a chance at a Cinderella story, ala the miracle on ice.
By BL
November 29, 2007 12:56 PM | Link to this
Hey jyd…the SEC Championship game is on TV you can watch it there…while UT and LSU play. Maybe next year…ooops…I forgot the Gators will be back…
By Who ARE YOU KIDDING
November 29, 2007 12:56 PM | Link to this
You UGA fans are a joke. The buckeyes beat #5 ranked Wisconsin team and a #14 ranked Penn State squad. The loss to Illinois was a fluke. I’m sure you can relate to flukes. It was a fluke that you puppies beat Florida. Yall didn’t even win your division and barely beat a weak Tech team and celebrated like hell after beating Vandy. Yall are a true joke. UGA is like the ugly little step son that has bad acne and stutters. No matter what he does he’ll never get recognized. UGA SUCKS!!!!!!!!
By UGAY
November 29, 2007 12:56 PM | Link to this
Hey eb no i’m not a tech fan..just tired hearing you f-in georgia fans blow smoke up each other’s @sses..
By UGAY
November 29, 2007 12:58 PM | Link to this
Hey eb no i’m not a tech fan..just tired hearing you f-in georgia fans blow smoke up each other’s @sses..you had your shot earlier this season and blew against tenn..by the way if you read the other article here on the website you will see how coaches will rank LSU ahead of UGAY if they win the SECCG…
By johnugadawg
November 29, 2007 1:01 PM | Link to this
Why don’t I just go on record as challenging any and all non-UGA fans to a gunfight at high noon tomorrow. That would settle all this squabbling once and for all.
Come on Johnny. I’m your hucklebeerry!!!!!!!!!
By junkyarddawg
November 29, 2007 1:09 PM | Link to this
BL way to be original and bring up florida in a conversation. we will see what tenn does because all les miles is doing is already crying about georgia going to the national championship game, but hes looking over the tenn game just like he looked over the arkansas game. remember that tenn waxed arkansas, lsu better watch out their going to loose to tenn.
By Lev
November 29, 2007 1:10 PM | Link to this
@dawgfacedboy
Mizzou will have played
Oklahoma twice, each time OK has been ranked top 10.
Kansas when ranked #2 and undefeated
Illinois, who beat OSU
Texas Tech and Texas A&M are both solid bowl teams beaten by Mizzou.
Mizzou is at the top of the rankings because they lost once, to a highly ranked team, not because there is some Anti-SEC conspiracy in the BCS system. And Mizzou had to start unranked at the beginning of the year.
By junkyarddawg
November 29, 2007 1:16 PM | Link to this
Who are you kidding are you serious you want to talk smack about florida to georgia fans ARE YOU SERIOUS!!! what happened last year when you played someone out of the sec and not the weak big easy i mean big ten Ohoi State sucks just because those teams were ranked doesnt mean they are still ranked. the big easy doesnt even have a championship game and the only come back yall have is the mich game thats because there is only to good teams in the big easy
By dawgfacedboy
November 29, 2007 1:19 PM | Link to this
Whoareyoukidding- Obviously you are the one who is kidding. Wisconsin and Penn St. had those rankings before the season. When OSU played them they were both ranked #21. You play one tough game a year against Michigan and they were laughable this year. You don’t play a conference championship game. Your SOS is pathetic. Face it. You guys are the new Notre Lame! You play nobody week in and week out, everybody for some reason kisses your a$$, and you play in BCS bowl. If I were Les Miles i’d already be in Michigan looking for a house. Play one tough game a year, and don’t play a championship game? Where do I sign???
By Dick
November 29, 2007 1:20 PM | Link to this
AND MY TAX DOLLARS ARE HELPING PAY FOR VOCABULARIES LIKE THOSE ON THIS BLOG? IT IS A GAME PEOPLE, PURE AND SIMPLE, A GAME. REGARDLESS AS TO WHAT YOUR COACHES WANT YOU TO THINK, FOOTBALL IS NOT GOD, IT IS A GAME,A LITTLE GAME, THAT IS ALL. A GAME PLAYED BY BOYS WHO CAN’T READ AND WRITE, JUST RUN.
By junkyarddawg
November 29, 2007 1:28 PM | Link to this
What was the score of the florida ohio state game last year i forgot.
By dawgfacedboy
November 29, 2007 1:33 PM | Link to this
Lev- Kansas has the #75 SOS this year. Mizz. is a good football team but outside of Oklahoma they have played nobody. A good football team? Yes. A NC caliber team?? Please. I think you know how I feel about OSU. And please, don’t try and prove that i don’t know what I’m talking about when you suggest Hawaii should play for a NC!!! Their opponents collective record is appx 30-50. Ten of those wins goes to Boise St.!!!!!! With a SOS of #119 please tell me you were kidding with that suggestion!!!!
By B. Thenet
November 29, 2007 1:35 PM | Link to this
I was reading the Detroit Free Press and came upon a snippet from this column.
Of course up there they don’t know what a lapdog Bradley is for UGA, or that you have been calling Miles a lucky doofus for quite some time.(you should at least call him very lucky with 10 wins in each of the last three seasons)
At the end of the day Miles is right. It is absolutely hilarious that people could even think of putting UGA in the national championship game over LSU if they win this weekend. They are the SEC Champs, of course they go to the title game over UGA who lost to a pretty weak USC(who LSU beat) and a Tennesse team that LSU would have beaten to win the SEC title.
As Urban Meyer proved last year, part of playing in the championship game is lobbying for your team. Lloyd Carr took the high road to the Rose Bowl, and don’t think the coaching community learned from that.
After 13 years of Michigan playing not to lose, they might get this lucky schlub who always plays to win(and runs a solid Strength and Conditioning program). The Buckeyes should be very worried about that.
By Me Too
November 29, 2007 1:35 PM | Link to this
Has anyone thought about the fact that UGA could be playing in the Rose Bowl, Yes, ROSE BOWL!!! To me that’s just a good as being in the BCS game, maybe better because of all the tradition. Winning the Rose Bowl would as close a feeling as winning the BCS title. I mean we are talking about major history here and not to mention that everyone watches the Rose Bowl, no matter who’s playing. The time slot is great to. 5pm after everyone has eaten, now you want to watch the Rose Bowl game. You don’t get better attention than that. Georgia would be in the major spotlight if you’re in to such a thing by hopefully going to the Rose Bowl.
This may sound kind of silly or non-sense but I would rather go to the Rose Bowl, forget the BCS title game. Let’s play in the Grandaddy of them all and beat what’s suppose to be the superior college program in the country, USC Trojans.
By athensdawg
November 29, 2007 1:41 PM | Link to this
jeesh…give me a break, people.
the fact is that until we have a playoff NO ONE…and i mean NO ONE can truly say that they “won” the national championship. you get elected to a national championship game by a system that makes bush v. gore look like a high school prom queen vote.
so les can whine all he wants…just like all you people whining about being left out…and who is better…because it dosen’t matter how good your football team is…its all a beauty pagent.
les miles understands how this works…so does stoops and urban meyer. and our beloved CMR will be turning into a bigger politician than hillary clinton if his time comes…cause its not about football.
..its not about winning every game any more…used to be the two undefeated teams played for the “national championship”..or they shared it and everyone shut up.
hawaii vs. missouri…that’s what it should/could be…if both remain undefeated. you want to play for the national championship..win all your games, suckah…dont whine about strength of schedule, etc…just do the job and let the chips fall where they may.
but now we have ‘my team is prettier than your team’ ‘my conference is better than your conference’…we beat #2,#7,and #9..so we should play for the national championship! whatever…lets suit it up and get on the field and see who is better…till then…we are all being deprived…
its a wonder the BCS idiots don’t just cancle the season and hand out the trophies on september 1…it would make just about as much sense.
i hate this time of year…my favorite sport gets turned into ‘dancing with the stars.’
By 59bulldawg
November 29, 2007 1:44 PM | Link to this
Never thought I would ever say it but I’ll be rooting for the Vols on Saturday night. Hell I’ll even sing Rocky Top if they win … and then immediately run to the bathroom and wash my mouth out with soap. But it would be worth it!
By mcdawg
November 29, 2007 1:48 PM | Link to this
the man is annoying-go back to Michigan-he needs to worry about beating UT//-LSU does not look like a well-conditioned team down the stretch
if LSU wins and WVU and Mizzou both loose, LSU should rightfully jump ahead of UGA-i have no problem with that one but i’m not so sure LSU will win so he needs to shut-Urban Meyer did not start the lobbying until the dust had settled-Miles is b*** about things that are not even likely-Go back to Big Blue so the SEC can beat the hell out of you in the Outback or Citrus
By stan
November 29, 2007 2:07 PM | Link to this
Les should stop lobbying….but it is ok for UGA’s coach to lobby????? UGA should have done better considering they have the academic standard’s of GA Perimeter College
By Carl Paulus
November 29, 2007 2:08 PM | Link to this
That’s just not true look at the recruiting rankings and tell me that Les has done less with more:
http://www.logictimes.com/Blue/Louisiana-Red-Herring.htm
By B. Thenet
November 29, 2007 2:10 PM | Link to this
mcdawg: Wrong Big Ten team. Michigan is 7-1 in their last 8 vs. the SEC
By Mike
November 29, 2007 2:24 PM | Link to this
Les’ annual goal is to win a national championship. Carr’s annual goal is to win a conference championship. Give me the guy who aims higher, ANY DAY!
Miles is a much greater improvement over that dang curmudgeon up in A2.
By Lou
November 29, 2007 2:27 PM | Link to this
I’m a UGA fan and this year is not unlike others. We had a chance to control our destiny and we lost. Still the Gator win was huge. I think the same thing happened to Colorado a few years back, but basically you lose 2 games and no conf. championship - no title game.
By jimbo donnan
November 29, 2007 2:30 PM | Link to this
I’ve just lost all respect for this clown. Hey LEs, you’ve been #1 TWICE, and TWICE got beaten. Why are you crying? No way they should jump 6 places if they win the SEC. I know the media has been in love with this team from day one, but for crying out loud, they have two losses. Shut up already! And here’s another idea Miles - win a game convincingly for a change before you start talking about a Natl Title, you b**%h! Go Vols. Is LSUs schedule any tougher than any other SEC team’s? Don’t think so.
Take your whiny a** to Michigan.
By think about it
November 29, 2007 2:35 PM | Link to this
ky beat lsu,lsu beat usc,usc beat ugay,clemson beat usc, gt beat clemson. throw all logic out the window and go to a playoff now! what a waste of good blog space….
By hedge puller
November 29, 2007 2:36 PM | Link to this
What do you expect from Miles? HE IS A YANKEE. SEND HIM BACK UP THERE ABOVE THE SMITH & WESSON LINE WHERE HE BELONGS.
By ChiTown
November 29, 2007 2:55 PM | Link to this
Bradley is a moron. C’mon, debating a coach from the SEC against one from the Big Ten? That’s apples and oranges. I am a Big Ten fan, but the SEC is absolutely the better conference. Going 11-2 every year in the SEC says a whole heck of a lot more than going 12-0 in the Big Ten. OSU would be lucky to have 3 losses in the SEC.
And Bradley is supposed to be a journalist? Ha!
By Gator Ray
November 29, 2007 2:56 PM | Link to this
Your Dawgies are not going to the BCS. LSU lost two OT games —will have won the SEC by beating a UT team that thrashed your Dawgs —and thus will deservedly play in the BCS c-ship if Mizzou & WVA lose out. By the way —WVA ain’t losing to Pitt.
By bravochick
November 29, 2007 3:04 PM | Link to this
Perhaps you should take your own advice Mark and stop lobbying for Georgia. You and the whole AJC have been lobbying for them to play in the title game for weeks. They had their chance against USC and UT and blew it. They don’t deserve a shot at the title when they can’t even win their SEC title.
By Tigahbaiter
November 29, 2007 3:09 PM | Link to this
And don’t forget sports fans, 1+1 = 1.
“If you just give us ties, like in the old system, we are undefeated with two ties. Maybe that adds up as one lost.”
Or maybe I’ll win the lotto today, or Iraq will disappear, or Erin Andrews will be whipping up dinner when I get home…
By Kyle
November 29, 2007 3:11 PM | Link to this
Forget Miles. Give me BRIAN KELLY! Fire up Chips!
By ATL Blue
November 29, 2007 3:12 PM | Link to this
Hey Mark, I’m a Michigan fan here in Atlanta(and a Les supporter). I love Lloyd, but to say his only sin was to lose to OSU is to completely ignore the facts. Did you watch the App St or Oregon games? Back to Miles…if he was lucky to beat UF, Auburn, and Alabama…then his losses to UK and Arkansas (both in OT’s) are much more likely to be ‘unlucky’ than his wins are to have been ‘lucky’
By Lev
November 29, 2007 3:25 PM | Link to this
dawgfacedboy: SoS is important, but come on, at the end of the day, wins have to count for something. Yeah, I agree citing Hawaii is a bit out there, I was simply saying, if no one else appears to be willing to be consistently good this year, why not Hawaii. It’s another reason for a playoff system, or is Hawaii eliminated from being a good team because they’ve not played a tough schedule? Don’t forget about wee little Boise State knocking off Oklahoma last year.
By Dorsey Hill
November 29, 2007 3:35 PM | Link to this
Gator Ray,
I know one team who that has no chance to go to a BCS game:
Florida.
While the odds of a BCS title game are distant, I can not see a scenario where we don’t finish top-4 and thus we are assured a BCS game.
So take your lizard, mullet-having, jort wearing, tank-topped azz to the Citrus Bowl. As for us, the Tournament of Roses awaits.
It’ll be nice to be at the Rose Bowl stadium where no Gator has ever been.
You do realize that the fear of gator contamination is why we play UF in a neutral site and in the State of Florida? We really don’t want you and your kind contaminating our city or our state with your presence. It took 3 weeks to just get the smell out of Athens in the mid-90’s when we were forced to have you in our home. Have you people heard of soap?
The point is that you wouldn’t invite a leper colony to your house would you? While gators are much worse than lepers and I’d welcome them before gators, I hope you get the jist.
BTW: GFY and stay on your own blog.
By Dennis G. Berdanis
November 29, 2007 3:36 PM | Link to this
I think Les is so busy lobbying that Fulmer is gonna do what he did to UGA and jump all over them out of the gate. UT 27-13
By Who ARE YOU KIDDING
November 29, 2007 3:50 PM | Link to this
Dawgfacegirl, you need to get a clue. UGA will never be mentioned as a Power House like The Buckeyes of Ohio State. Those puppies aren’t even the best team in Athens. I believe there are som 3A High Schools that could beat them between the hedges. Talk to me when UGA goes to the BCS games EVERY YEAR consistently, then come and talk to me when they put PLAYERS in the NFL, then after that we can talk when you all have several players to win the Heisman Trophy. Or atleast win a NC. Until then, shut the fu(k up and go give those neutered puppies from Athens a blow job you homo. Since Herschel Walker left yall have been an absolute joke. But you fans still hold on to the early 80’s. Pathetic!!!
By dan Kummer
November 29, 2007 3:55 PM | Link to this
The national championship is mythical. The SEC champion should be in a playoff. Quality losses are crap. Stop the beauty popularity polling and develop a system for a true champion. Teams that lose often rally later to win. The BCS is stupid. Go Tigers!
By Beachdawg
November 29, 2007 3:56 PM | Link to this
How ‘bout this for hilarity. In this crazy upside down season of college ball…who ARE you gonna put in the NC game if: WV, Mizz, LSU,& VT all lose…Not likely, but it could happen !!!! Then comes the possibility of SC beating UCLA and jumping the whole group of ‘em and playing the Buckeyes in the NC…Of course not, but everybodys dealing in what ifs…Somebody’s gonna be in some bowl game that someone’s gonna be p** about…it’s the nature of the game.
By grif
November 29, 2007 3:56 PM | Link to this
I love the Dawgs but I will be satisfied with finishing in the top 10 or maybe even #2. With a majority of this team coming back, we make a run at the title next year! Everybody needs to calm down!
By gwy
November 29, 2007 4:29 PM | Link to this
Right on the money!! Be careful what you wish for Michigan. I am STILL not convinced Miles is a first rate coach. At least win one SEC championship before we annoint him the next Bear Bryant!!
By Too Bad
November 29, 2007 4:29 PM | Link to this
Are you kidding may have a point. UGA sucks!! Yall are stuck with what Herchel Walker did and since then have not had a reason to chear. Finally it takes a gimmick to beat Florida but you lose to Vandy and the Ol Ball Coach. The Bulldogs do not belong in the National Championship game. I wouldn’t even give them a shot in a BCS game. 2nd place out of their week division. They belong in the Poinsetta Bowl the day before Xmas. They are truly a joke
By HedgeHead
November 29, 2007 4:34 PM | Link to this
“UGAY”…Durrhurrr…dat sho is a funny play on words! See, you add a “Y” on the end of “UGA” and it make do’es jawga people look gay. Durrhurrr
By HedgeHead
November 29, 2007 4:35 PM | Link to this
“UGAY”…Durrhurrr…dat sho is a funny play on words! See, you add a “Y” on the end of “UGA” and it make do’es jawga people look gay. Durrhurrr
By Rob
November 29, 2007 4:37 PM | Link to this
Great Column Bradley. should have beaten Arkansas Les. I, for one, won’t be surprised sneaks into Atlanta a takes a win from Les’s poor little team that he ‘loves to coach’ so much that he’s considering leaving… I’m sure his players are wondering why they’re not good enough for him to stop the talk right now by turning down Michigan outright. I’m sure in his mind, Les is already in the Big House.
By BGDawg, BUCKS SUCK
November 29, 2007 4:56 PM | Link to this
for Who ARE YOU KIDDING
from Mark Schlabach, ESPN
“If Ohio State fans want to avoid an upset stomach, they might not want to root too hard for Oklahoma to beat No. 2 Kansas or No. 4 Missouri in next week’s Big 12 Championship Game in San Antonio. The No. 5 Buckeyes should really save themselves from being embarrassed for the second season in a row.”
“The Buckeyes’ national title hopes seemed lost when they fell to Illinois 28-21 on Nov. 10. Then Oregon, Oklahoma and finally LSU lost while the Buckeyes watched. But Ohio State’s chances of winning the BCS title are still fleeting, at best. Even if the Buckeyes use the back door to the Louisiana Superdome by finishing in the top two of the final BCS standings, they don’t stand a chance against West Virginia or Georgia for that matter.”
Go Dawgs!
By braveswin
November 29, 2007 5:01 PM | Link to this
who r u kidding,We had a Ray Goff team that crushed the buckeyes, Ya’ll haven’t beat an SEC team this century.Ohio and its university is a complete joke.OSU is the champion of L(Ohio)nothing more.Your mascot and your fans are NUTS
By BT
November 29, 2007 5:02 PM | Link to this
Miles is a fool. He has a lot more things to worry about than where UGA is in the polls. Last I looked Tennessee is a pretty decent ball team. Last I heard Michigan is desperate and wants to talk to an alum for a coaching job.
Bottom-line, Miles and the whole state of Louisiana didn’t dare wish a game against the Dawgs. Can you imagine the embarassment for someone interviewing with the Wolverines getting blistered on national TV?! Trust me Les, just get through this game and shut your mouth! You may get lucky and not have to play an SEC school again for quite some time.
By Sicem
November 29, 2007 5:39 PM | Link to this
Did someone say Ohio State? Do they play football up there? Oh is that what they call that?!?! LOL!!!!! How bad was that NC game score last season? Talk about over rated!!!! I think who are you kidding may know a little something about those blow jobs he speaks of that is obviously the way OSU gets ranked that high while playing a bunch of high school teams. LOL!!!!! You big dummy!!!
By Steve
November 29, 2007 5:51 PM | Link to this
Miles against Tressel ? Ridiculous. Why are team sports always measured as if they were tennis matches? It’s not about one coach against another, or one QB against another.
By Tigah Fan
November 29, 2007 6:02 PM | Link to this
Les Miles and his LSU Tigers won the west division. Plain and simple. Georgia did not win the East. Plain and simple. After the game Saturday, we will know which division is better. By the way, no team in the country has bested LSU in regulation or been as decimated by injuries. LSU is a quality team and Miles is a quality coach. If LSU wins the SEC Championship, they deserve a shot at the MNC (mythical national championship) more than Georgia. How can a team that didn’t even win their conference deserve to play for all the marbles? No doubt that Georgia is a very good team. BUT they didn’t even win their division much less their conference. Anyone with an opinion that Georgia deserves a shot at the MNC is ridiculous.
By BT
November 29, 2007 6:04 PM | Link to this
Who ARE YOU KIDDING, You want to know what’s pathetic? Try you and the “Johnny Come Lately” Buckeye fans of late. What has been your only signature national win this decade? I remember, the Fiesta Bowl against a sliding Miami team. It only took a few blown calls by the refs and a few mickey mouse overtimes but you did it. Then Florida gave you a good dose of reality and exposed you for what you really are..a talented Ohio High School team.
Every team outside of the Midwest salivates at the chance to play Ohio State. Your notoriety comes the media , your weak conference,and the lack of a conference championship. Powerhouse? In short you are nothing more than a regional threat.
What’s laughable is your incredibly short memories. Can anyone say COOPER?! Check out the last time the Dawgs played the “Blackeyes”. We dominated you in ‘92 and that was Ray Goff’s boys. Here’s some homework chief, tell everyone OSU’s record versus SEC teams.
I will thoroughly enjoy watching the beloved Bucks getting ran over by USC in the Rose or West Virginny on the turf.
Sleep well cupcake!
By Go Tigers
November 29, 2007 6:22 PM | Link to this
I believe in the better team going to the championship and that would be LSU hands down. The Bulldogs are perennial losers and chokers that should never be considered for anything. Give it up hillbillies and rednecks!!!! P.S. Mark Richt claims to be a chritian. He has not acted much like a christian this year with his antics on the field. To He!! with the Georgia rednecks!!!
By Hedgehog
November 29, 2007 6:27 PM | Link to this
Oh, the sour grapes !! Maybe LSU should stop hiring coaches from the North since they don’t seem to stay around for too long. They need someone who will appreciate Bayou Land. Everytime they hire a new coach he is the best thing since sliced bread and then a few years later a bum. Football was not invented in Louisiana, much as they would like to think it was.
By Hedgehog
November 29, 2007 6:28 PM | Link to this
Oh, the sour grapes !! Maybe LSU should stop hiring coaches from the North since they don’t seem to stay around for too long. They need someone who will appreciate Bayou Land. Everytime they hire a new coach he is the best thing since sliced bread and then a few years later a bum. Football was not invented in Louisiana, much as they would like to think it was.
By My View
November 29, 2007 6:29 PM | Link to this
Jacob Hester was overused. Everytime I saw #32 run the ball, he looked like a homerun threat. Hester was a 3 -5 yard back. I equate that to UGA giving Southerland the ball 12-15x’s per game. The Dawgs would not be 10-2.
LSU might have been coached down considering the many talents on that team. I had not given that possibility much thought, I was just thinkin “tough break”, or “tough conference”. Coached Down is more like it.
By Tville Dawg
November 29, 2007 6:30 PM | Link to this
I’m late posting today-work gets in the way.
I am in agreement with Doug’s morning post RE the DAWGS not really belonging the NC game. I think they are playing as well as anyone at the end of year, but you have to take your medicine for stumping your toe early in the season.
I think the DAWGS have matured tremendously and the table is certainly set for a NC run in 08. Good job CMR and coaches.
GA DAWGS!!!
By brutus1957
November 29, 2007 6:33 PM | Link to this
Don’t you just love it when a bunch of southern morons take over a blog site on a northern newspaper. They did it last year in the Dispatch and now they are dominating the Free Press. But then again maybe blogs have not reached southern newspapers so I guess the need a place to air their one dimensional frustrations.
By GO Dawgs
November 29, 2007 6:40 PM | Link to this
Well what should be done, is the if the BCS championship game doesnt have UGA or LSU, and LSU wins the SEC, the Sugar Bowl should just pick UGA as the at-large pick. And that way we can see who is the best in the SEC!!!
By Yankee
November 29, 2007 7:10 PM | Link to this
Does anyone remember when Tennessee got blown out by Cal earlier this season? And it’s funny that you Georgia fans keep saying you “lost” to Tennessee. Did you watch that game? That was a beat down. I don’t really care about either school but I thought I would share my two cents.
My main point is that the SEC is overrated. Get over yourselves. Bowl season should show that.
Last thing - these posts do a good job at sustaining the redneck image of the south. Y’all enjoy the game this weekend.
By Cliff
November 29, 2007 7:16 PM | Link to this
I think Les Miles is looking at that situation from the wrong direction it is not that LSU has not been beaten in regulation , He must be a democrat for they are the worlds best at twisting things around to suite themselves . He should be thinking that two lower rated teams took them to the woodshed and pulled of to well played upsets of the high and mighty LSU. They {LSU} could not beat them in three overtimes. They never do like to face up to the truth.
By Dawgs2007
November 29, 2007 7:19 PM | Link to this
None of this matters!!!!
West Vagina will beat Pitt. Case Closed.
By Dawgfan#1
November 29, 2007 8:24 PM | Link to this
WHO ARE YOU KIDDING knows SEC is better than BIG 10. Thats why he hates us. He is hoping not so great OSU avoids playing SEC team in a bowl game. Good luck, knucklehead buckeye loser! GO DAWGS!
By Buckman1965
November 29, 2007 8:41 PM | Link to this
Buckeye Haters:
FACTS: OSU has more 1st round draft picks than ANY other school. USC is 2nd.
OSU has won the following major bowls recently: ‘97 Rose, ‘98 Sugar, ‘02 Fiesta, 03 Fiesta, 05 Fiesta.
Yes, the SEC is a great conference, but why all the Buckeye hatred? They have a great program with great players and coaches.
Every school has idiot fans - it is nice to hear from reasonable, intelligent ones who appreciate what a great game college football really is.
By Top Dawg
November 29, 2007 8:44 PM | Link to this
EXCELLENT COLUMN, MB. This should be re-printed on Saturday for Loser State University fans to read!!!
The bottom line is that Les Miles is not a great coach. He belongs in the Big 10, where the competition is not so fierce and where maybe he can hack it. I guarantee you Ohio State fans are secretly hoping that Michigan hires him.
(Also, I don’t like the Vols, but as a Dawg, I am constrained to not being sad if LSU loses Saturday.)
GO DAWGS
By Buckman1965
November 29, 2007 8:59 PM | Link to this
FACTS: OSU has more 1st round draft picks than ANY other school. USC is 2nd.
UPDATE TO PREVIOUS MESSAGE - CORRECT DATES BELOW: OSU has won the following major bowls recently: ‘97 Rose, ‘99 Sugar, ‘03 Fiesta, 04 Fiesta, 06 Fiesta.
Yes, the SEC is a great conference, but why all the Buckeye hatred? They have a great program with great players and coaches.
Every school has idiot fans - it is nice to hear from reasonable, intelligent ones who appreciate what a great game college football really is.
By Top Dawg
November 29, 2007 9:00 PM | Link to this
Buckman1965:
I like OSU, actually. I do enjoy watching them play, and I have nothing against them. They just don’t play in as tough of a conference as the SEC. They made it to those bowls you listed because they are a good team, BUT they also don’t play a strong SEC schedule. Thus, they do make it to a big game. Then, they win when they get there because they normally are playing a team from another weak conference, the PAC 10. (Granted the PAC does appear to be improved a little bit this year, but UGA will take ASU out behind the woodshed next fall. Count on it.)
OSU (and the Big 10) were exposed big time last year when OSU played UF in the NC game. (I pulled for OSU in that game, by the way. Ginn was a sissy for taking himself out, as much as his team needed him. I am still mad at him for that. Self above team is his motto.)
Anyway, I do enjoy college football, and cracking on each other’s teams is part of the fun of it all. Don’t take it personally.
By ARdawg
November 29, 2007 9:37 PM | Link to this
Bradley
A column well written and I couldn’t have said it better myself. Quite honestly I’d be ashamed if the Dawgs had twice blown the #1 BCS game in the same year then whines and attempts to equate two losses into one. Spurrier doesn’t cry that much
By RODAWG
November 29, 2007 9:40 PM | Link to this
COACH RICHT HAS TO MUCH CLASS TO LOBBY, SO I WILL DO IT. IF WV AND MIZZOU LOSES, THEN THE DAWGS DESERVE TO PLAY FOR THE NC. LES DENIALS IS AN IDIOT IF HE THINKS LSU SHOULD JUMP THE DAWGS. I’M SHOCKED TO HEAR SOME DAWG FANS SAY THAT WE DON’T DESERVE THE SHOT. THIS MUST BE DAWG IMITATERS. LET IT BE KNOWN THAT THE DAWGS CAN KICK ANYBODIES AZZ IN THE LAND!
By MGrad92
November 29, 2007 11:44 PM | Link to this
“… Lloyd Carr, whose sin was that he could win every game except the one against Ohio State.”
Psst, Mark — Lloyd Carr’s record against Ohio State was 6-7, barely sub-.500.
By robby
November 30, 2007 4:46 AM | Link to this
all these folks griping about losses and whose a conference champ…i mean an sec title is a BIG deal BUT…
what in the world would a playoff bring??? being a conf champ may be the kiss of death in a playoff system…where the best team at the END of the year wins…
lsu has lost TWICE since uga has lost…theyve had TWO shots at no 1 and blew them both…thats enough for me…lettem go…dogs would be no 2 and in the bcs title game…
but wvu aint gonna lose!
By HumbleVolunteer
November 30, 2007 5:59 AM | Link to this
The Dawgs are the best team in the SEC right now. Next year they will dominate. Shoot Vandy lost three SEC games by 11 points… by 1 to Tennessee, by 3 to the Dawgs, and by 7 to Kentucky. Using Les Miles logic it should be Vanderbilt heading to the NC game.
By Joyce
November 30, 2007 7:01 AM | Link to this
Why does everyone seem to hate the Buckeyes so much? They have good kids playing for them just as the other colleges do, and the school has a great academic and athletic reputation. Their coach is a calm and devout Christian man who stays in control of himself on the field. I don ‘t get it, but are the Buckeyes afraid of Les? See below:
“With his 5 national championships, Tressel is one of only two active coaches with 5 or more national championships in any division (only Larry Kehres of Division III Mount Union College has more with 9). His four national championships at Youngstown State University gave him the distinction of being a part of the only father-son coaching combination to win a national championship (his father, Lee Tressel, won a Division III title at Baldwin-Wallace College in 1978). His 2002 national title victory at Ohio State gave him two more distinctions: he became the only coach to win national titles at two different schools (Youngstown State and Ohio State) and he won national titles at two different divisional levels of NCAA football (Ohio State is Division I-A, while Youngstown State is Division I-AA). He is also the first coach in NCAA history to win the AFCA’s Coach of the Year award twice while at different schools.” (exerpt from Wikipedia) for all of Mr. Tressels’ accomplishments see the full article there.
Soooo we’re not afraid. We have TRESSEL! FEAR THE SWEATER VEST!
By GKruger
November 30, 2007 9:07 AM | Link to this
Wow, I don’t think this was written with any bias! Let’s look at facts here, over the past three years, the Genius of Coach Richt has gone 29-9, well this awful coach you speak of has gone 32-6. And lucky to beat FLA, ALA, and Auburn? Yea, I am sure that no coaching or playing was involved in that! Well if we are playing this game, Georgia was lucky to have beaten Troy and Alabama. I think it is sour grapes on Georgia fans’ part because they could not even win their division. I mean, you guys lost to SOUTH CAROLINA?!?! Get over it, LSU is better, and stop reaching to Ohio State to make Les Miles out to be a bad coach. We will see what happens IF he is the next Michigan coach.
By Jim
November 30, 2007 10:04 AM | Link to this
All you cry baby SEC fans, Les Miles would be welcome in Michigan( OSU fan here). OSU’s non conference schedule was lousy, but we have USC home and home next and Virgiania Tech, Oklahoma, Miami, FL down the road Step back and take a look at your non conference schedules.When you do that give me one quality win? Maybe Virginai Tech. Don’t hold it against the Buckeyes because the Big Ten was not very good. I will talk about last years title game if you want to talk about 2002. OSU puts more people in the NFL then any SEC team period.Just remember one thing Florida got in the NC game last year because it had one more game then Michigan, so it can work both ways. Every coach in the SEC and any conference that has a title game wishes they did not.
By Chris
November 30, 2007 10:38 AM | Link to this
OSU may not be afraid of Michigan with Miles. But do you really think that Michigan was afraid of Tressel when he arrived in Columbus? It’s what you do once you’re there that counts. People’s memory is short considering that UM owned OSU through most of the 90s.
By There, Their, and They're
November 30, 2007 10:44 AM | Link to this
“There, Their, and They’re” They’re spelled differently although they sound the same. Some blowhards, with their poor grammar, shame the schools they associate themselves with. There is only so much the grammar police can take. So there!
By Billosu
November 30, 2007 10:50 AM | Link to this
Three words as to why they hate OSU William Tecumseh Sherman.
By Rusty
November 30, 2007 10:56 AM | Link to this
Bring on Miles. The Vest already put a whoopin’ on The Les a couple of years ago when Les was at Oklahoma State. We had Justin Zwick and Teddy Ginn taking snaps, not Troy Smith.
The man I don’t want to get the UM job is Brian Kelly at Cincinnati. Innovative thinker..not boring…I’m glad UM wants The Les. We’ll see who is right in a couple of years.
By Rusty
November 30, 2007 10:57 AM | Link to this
Bring on Miles. The Vest already put a whoopin’ on The Les a couple of years ago when Les was at Oklahoma State. We had Justin Zwick and Teddy Ginn taking snaps, not Troy Smith.
The man I don’t want to get the UM job is Brian Kelly at Cincinnati. Innovative thinker..not boring…I’m glad UM wants The Les. We’ll see who is right in a couple of years.
By Jim
November 30, 2007 11:12 AM | Link to this
Chris,
You should have paid attention when Tressel was hired. Pretty impressive history leading up to OSU. Les is alright with me and yes Cooper sucked like Loyd does now. Glenn Mason or Brian Kelly would scare me more. The Buckeyes whipped Les at Oklahoma State and I like my chances facing him every year. He knows how to coach down. Go Bucks!
By chuckytb
November 30, 2007 11:41 AM | Link to this
Les Miles is an a*. He will embarrass the fine Michigan institution and himself on a regular basis. He will be considered the clown of the Big Ten. Michigan could have and should have done far better.
By Zorba
November 30, 2007 2:44 PM | Link to this
Perhaps “Much Less” Miles should bother to win the SEC before he gripes about deserving anything.
By Realistic Ricky
November 30, 2007 4:58 PM | Link to this
Top Dawg,
You are the proto-typical UGA fan, believing your beloved Dawgs and coach are better than every other team and coach regardless of the FACTS. As pointed out above by “GKruger” using FACTS, LSU and Coach Miles have a better won-loss record over the past three seasons than UGA and Coach Richt. FACT Number 2: LSU and Coach Miles will play in their SECOND SEC Championship game in the past three seasons on Saturday, while UGA and Coach Richt sit in Athens still thinking about their ONE trip to the big game over the same period. I know some of you UGA folks do not like to deal with the FACTS, but some of us enjoy pointing them out anyway. Have a nice Saturday.
By Not a Miles Fan, but...
November 30, 2007 5:26 PM | Link to this
I am not a Les Miles or LSU fan by any means, but I think he has a valid point. Yes, LSU did lose to Kentucky and Arkansas, but UGA lost to Tennessee and South Carolina. LSU’s were both in overtime and Georgia got completely waxed by Tennessee. I’ve got to agree with Miles, LSU should be ranked higher than UGA, if they end up winning the SEC championship.
By Jake
November 30, 2007 5:45 PM | Link to this
per Rivals.com, Georgia had a higher ranked recruiting class than LSU twice from 2004-2006. Who is doing more with less? The Bulldogs are underachievers every year (save perhaps this one).
By John
November 30, 2007 6:27 PM | Link to this
LSU does not have the best talent. Rivals.com did a study of LSU’s starting 22 compared to 5 schools. The five are Michigan,Tenn,Florida,Aurburn, and Georga, and according to Rivals player ratings LSU had the lowest overall rating.To my surprise every school except Tenn had a SUBSTANTIALY Higher player rating, including Michigan whose 22 starters were rated the HIGHEST! I know high school player ratings are somewhat subjective but it blows away this article’s assumption that LSU has the country’s greatest collection of talent.
By benadawg
November 30, 2007 6:44 PM | Link to this
In my opinion, I disagree with LSU jumping georgia, Georgia is ranked 4 now, if we are not the number 4 team why are we there, we have no game left to play and at the time we were placed there people knew this.I don’t care where we go as long as its somebody that is deserving to be there. By the way Ga would be there if Kentucky was worth a sh@@.
By Gus
November 30, 2007 6:58 PM | Link to this
Reading these comments only confirms that the delusion of the UGA fan base borders on that of Bama. What color is the sky in the universe you people live in?
Enjoy watching the SEC Championship on TV.
By iosokin
November 30, 2007 10:26 PM | Link to this
I’m mad at LSU for losing two games and OSU for losing to Illinois because I wanted OSU to play a team from the SEC in the NC this year so they could win and shut the traps of every SEC blowhard who believes the world is made of gumdrops and that the SEC is the best conference in the nation. I mean does this delusion stem from the fact that the Confederacy lost? Is this all you have to hold onto now, the SEC? Yes, I know the final score of the Florida game last year. The better team won that day. I admit it like a man, not like some fairy who then anoints their conference as the Alpha and Omega. In this, a rebuilding year, it is amazing that OSU could still play in the NC game - not as one of the best teams in the country, but certainly as a team that would have kicked SEC to the curb this year if one of their teams could have been good enough to go without two losses.
By Jerry Marshall
December 1, 2007 12:44 AM | Link to this
Lloyd Carr can win every game except the Ohio State game? What? Mark, you haven’t been paying attention. Carr has been averaging 3-4 losses a season in the Big Ten, a much weaker conference than the SEC. Yes, Miles isn’t the best game coach out there, but at this point he’s still an upgrade over Lloyd Carr. The college game has passed by Carr.
By JPA
December 1, 2007 1:48 AM | Link to this
@Isokin or Isostupid—It is obvious you don’t watch too much college football. If you did it would be very apparent the SEC is the best college conference in the USA weekend and week out. Les Miles is an idiot and as a UGA fan I hope he stays at LSU.LSU has won despite Miles.