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By Tilly

July 29, 2007 5:39 PM | Link to this

As much as I love Salty, a trade for Tex is the right move. This would be a signal to me that the organization is moving in the direction of championship status once again.

By Hanleymj

July 29, 2007 5:40 PM | Link to this

The more I think about it, the more I agree with this trade. I still remain hesitant about the success of it actually going through, but with DOB’s prediction, I think it very well could happen. The Braves 3-5 pitches haven’t been Smoltz/Hudson caliber, but they haven’t been terrible. If we indeed get a lefty (ie: Mahay), I think we will be very strong contenders in a down-to-the wire NL East race; certainly the wildcard.

By Dale

July 29, 2007 5:47 PM | Link to this

that deal makes no sense we should not give up on Salty he is a good young player , an TEX is injury prone ball player that my be good but he plays in texas were balls FLY out the ballpark i think any hard swinging hitter can hit homeruns in texasso why get rid of a ball player that is up an coming for a INJURY PRONE player that will cost us 2 much money later if JS & BC make this deal they will go down as making a very dumb move .

By Densey

July 29, 2007 5:48 PM | Link to this

If we can complete the trade by all means lets do it. But Pitching is more vital at the moment and I read on Si.com that Oswalt would consider a move to Atlanta and we were one of the few teams he would wave his no trade clause

By iwalterp

July 29, 2007 5:56 PM | Link to this

I agree the Braves need an upgrade at 1st base and at cleanup. With all the hoopla the past week, the Braves have to get Teixiera or the fans will be let down. Thats why Daniels can just wait because he knows JS has to eventually take his asking price of Salty, Harrison, and Andrus for Tex only.

By Eric C.

July 29, 2007 6:03 PM | Link to this

The TEX trade is way overrated. He’ll help a little…but don’t expect the Braves to just flip a switch like they did in 1993 when McGriff, a better hitter, came to town. The starting pitching just isn’t good enough.

By Eli

July 29, 2007 6:16 PM | Link to this

Dale, how can you say Teixeira is injury-prone? He played in 162 games last year, and 162 game in 2005 also. That’s ZERO days off, ZERO injuries. Do a little research.

By Nate Raymond In Maine

July 29, 2007 6:18 PM | Link to this

Hey Densey, I like the guy you mentioned. I like owswalt and I think he would be great on this team. We need a starting pitcher or bullpen help right know. I would rather have a good starter than anything else. Our offense if good but our pitching is bad.

By Carroll (NOT Ms. Rogers)

July 29, 2007 6:22 PM | Link to this

Nonsense! Bobby’s unmitigated stupidity in starting Franco at 1B is NOT a valid indictment on the potential value of NaCl to this team! All indications are that if you just start NaCl EVERY day at 1B, he will put up Tex-like numbers for a tiny fraction of the cost, meaning we would be able to afford to address our blatant pitching deficiencies.

By Keith

July 29, 2007 6:30 PM | Link to this

I am a season ticket holder for the Rangers and a big Tex fan. Say what you want,but give the guy a break about injuries and professionalism. He is not a trouble maker, nor does he every get hurt. Try playing 324 games over a two-year period in 100 degree like we had in 05 and 06(July/Aug)for a last place team!

By Keith

July 29, 2007 6:31 PM | Link to this

I am a season ticket holder for the Rangers and a big Tex fan. Say what you want,but give the guy a break about injuries and professionalism. He is not a trouble maker, nor does he every get hurt. Try playing 324 games over a two-year period in 100 degree like we had in 05 and 06(July/Aug)for a last place team!

By Hanleymj

July 29, 2007 6:35 PM | Link to this

All of you realize, of course, that Oswalt is not going to be traded. He is simply too good, and comparatively, very affordable. He is not obtainable. Stop dreaming.

By Kevin Anderson

July 29, 2007 6:48 PM | Link to this

Don’t like the trade. With Tex, the Braves may still not make the playoffs, certainly not past first round, too poor at pitching. Convert Salty to first and give him at bats and in a couple of years his numbers are as good as Tex and he’ll be around a long time.

By DHD

July 29, 2007 6:59 PM | Link to this

You’re behind the times, aren’t you? We’ve been talking about this for 2 weeks now. Welcome to the conversation. You ALWAYS get the stud for the prospect if you are in contention. prospects are prospects. See Andy Marte. See Brad Komminsk. Get Tex and a couple of pitchers in here and let’s BEAT THE METS!!

By Jared Garfield

July 29, 2007 7:09 PM | Link to this

The important question at hand is whether or not Liberty Media is willing to spend. Trading the Salt for a season and a half or less doesn’t make sense unless Liberty will pony up the cash to keep him. If they will, he is a proven entity and Salty, as promising as he is, can’t produce Tex numbers right now. Speaking of injury prone, without the drain on the payroll of Hampton the Braves would likely have a third fantastic starter, when can we get him off the payroll?

By varoadrunner

July 29, 2007 7:11 PM | Link to this

This is clearly a “no-brainer”. With Salty in his natural position at catcher and on a team that is not using him as trade bait, he’ll flourish. A REAL first baseman, WOW what a concept for the Bravfes - gotta love it.

By varoadrunner

July 29, 2007 7:11 PM | Link to this

This is clearly a “no-brainer”. With Salty in his natural position at catcher and on a team that is not using him as trade bait, he’ll flourish. A REAL first baseman, WOW what a concept for the Bravfes - gotta love it.

By Jt

July 29, 2007 7:15 PM | Link to this

I would trade Salty and others for Tex in a minute. He has no place to play in ATL. He is a great CATCHING prospect and deserves the chance to play in the major leagues as a catcher. To do otherwise would be an injustice to a young player’s (particularly of his caliber) career. We need something else at this time and Tex would definitely fill a need this year and next, particularly if Andruw leaves (which he probably will). The Braves stand a better chance of signing Texeria to a reasonably priced extension before his free agency than signing AJ as a free agent. BUT, they need to get either CJ Wilson (preferred) or Mahany in the deal. And I would give up a prospect AND either Harrison or Kyle Davies to get them both. What Schuerholz has always done is find the balance between potential and proven major league abilty. Salty and Davies have great potential. Tex and Wilson have PROVEN themselves on the major league level. At this point in time, a QUALITY reliever is needed more than a starter. Four spots in the rotation have become stable, but the bull pen is overworked. Both wilson and Mahany’s innings worked is below our top relievers. Pull the trigger John. More consistency providied by Texeria’a bat and Wilson’s dominaace of lefties could vault the Braves into first by the end of September.

By Colin

July 29, 2007 7:16 PM | Link to this

Anyone think it is supsicous that Salty did not pinch hit and Moylan did. TEX WELCOME HOME!!!

By Jared Garfield

July 29, 2007 7:17 PM | Link to this

It seems at times that the ajc loves to post gramatically errant posts full of spelling mistakes, particularly if the contributor is speaking in behalf of the University of Georgia. However, if I make intelligent commentary that adds insight to the topic at hand, it is not posted! Perhaps if I commented on race and the columns were Terrence Moores instead of Mark Bradley’s? What is going on?

By Hanleymj

July 29, 2007 7:21 PM | Link to this

I agree with DHD. Saltalamacchia is considered a prospect for a reason. Examine his July totals: 57 ABS 13 hits 2 RBI’s 1 Run 0 HR’s BA: .228 Slu: .263

These numbers aren’t impressive, and sure, maybe they can be somewhat explained away by irregular PT, but it’s clear he hasn’t fully matured yet as a big league player. Who knows, he could end up another prospect turned bust? Personally, I think he will end up a very productive player, but McCann already is. Of more relevance, Texiera is already established as well. Take the 27 y.o. first basemen, as he will provide a stronger lineup, both in the field and at the plate.

By GumboShow.com

July 29, 2007 7:25 PM | Link to this

Interesting that they pinch hit MOYLAN tonight vs. the DBacks rather than play Salty. Something has ALREADY happened, we just do not know exactly what yet…

By joel

July 29, 2007 7:32 PM | Link to this

GET TEX NOW,SHUT THE REVOLVING DOOR AT 1ST BASE PLEASE JS.

By don

July 29, 2007 7:34 PM | Link to this

A one for one trade for teixeira may be fine. However, only a fool would throw in Andrus and Harrison. The truth is the Braves won’t be in the playoffs regardless of who is playing first base. So why destroy the future just to appease the desire for one more playoff (with a near certain fast exit) of those near the end of the road. I am, of course, speaking of Cox, Schuerholz, C. Jones, and Smoltz.

Bradley, you are a Kentucky boy. You should know better than to support this potential disaster.

By don

July 29, 2007 7:38 PM | Link to this

Carroll is absolutely correct.

By Observer

July 29, 2007 7:43 PM | Link to this

Jermaine Dye comes to mind when talking about good prospects the Braves and Schuerholz have given away.

And, Betemit kills the Braves when he plays against us.

Sosa is doing quite well for the Mets too. So, Schuerholz has been far from perfect in his trades.

Even, Joe Winkelsas has been a success elsewhere.

By Observer wih common sense

July 29, 2007 7:55 PM | Link to this

Good thing we don’t play the Wilson Betemit’s 162 games a year

By Hanleymj

July 29, 2007 7:58 PM | Link to this

What is Betemit batting? We should have kept him and sub .250 average? C’mon Observer, don’t be stupid.

No one claim JS has been perfect, but he’s been better than almost everyone else.

By earfull

July 29, 2007 8:01 PM | Link to this

Wow, watch out Braves fan, something arye in the mix. Could it not be Tex but instead Sexson. Seems the Mariners are looking to replace him and he is wanting to leave. Could leave Salty available for better pitching than just a first baseman.

By david duke

July 29, 2007 8:07 PM | Link to this

Will be nice to have another white guy on the team

By fred

July 29, 2007 8:08 PM | Link to this

Trading Salty for X is clearly a desperate and risky move. I only like to see the Braves make this trade if it is a ” sign and trade” agreement. Salty is too much to give up for a one year player. I’m not counting this year as this Braves team is 500 maybe and would be very very very lucky to even be a first round elimination. No reliable pitching and Superstar Andrew looking like a double A hitter is this teams issues.

By This Gets Old

July 29, 2007 8:10 PM | Link to this

Great except who’s going to play first in two years when Liberty has the payroll still in the middle of the pack? Smoltz will be gone and we may well have traded a number 1 starter for Tex who’ll probably be with the D-Backs or Red Sox by then.

We miss the playoffs for ONE season and we trade our three best prospects? Yes they’re only prospects but ask yourselves..does Tex make us a WS team?

I’ve beem saying it for three seasons. At some point we have to honestly re-build with good young pitching. You have to develop it by taking your lumps for a little bit. I was against the trade of Wainwright for a guy whom everybody assumed would take a hometown discount to stay here. Don’t trade Salty AND Harrison. Davies maybe but not Harrison.

By Serbok

July 29, 2007 8:15 PM | Link to this

Chipper has been around the sun 35 times! I realize he is injury prone. Steroid barry is 43! I’m sure there are others who play the game to a high level ala Chipper that who are older than he? Smoltzy is 40 and a pitcher:o( Smoltz I believe will give us at least 1 more yr, maybe 2, more likely 1 Chipper is a hitting machine!!!!! Chipper I feel will play at Least another 3-4 yrs with high productivity! Combine him with Tex. Wow! Mark my words~ JS will come out of this deal with Tex and Wilson!!! How much he gives up is another story. Braves need this trade!

By don

July 29, 2007 8:16 PM | Link to this

Fred is also correct and I hope earfull is a prophet.

However, I would trade Schuerholz and Cox for Teixeira. I’d throw in Chippy.

By Big Mac

July 29, 2007 8:27 PM | Link to this

I would not give up our best 2 prospects and a high option player like Elvis without getting a contract extention on Texeira that will keep him here long term. Atlanta has gotten fleeced too many times in trading away prospects without a solid return. Salty, Elvis, Thorman and Davies for Tex, Wilson and ??. What the heck, how about Andruw for Tex straight up and go home happy?

By Jim

July 29, 2007 8:43 PM | Link to this

Anyone who will trade away another blue chip player like Salty, for a one year rental is a moron…period…

Without a long term contract on Tex, that we can afford…key word, afford….trading away the future like Salty is absurd…

I am so tired of these so called “one year rental” deals…

On top of that, like how is the offensive boost of Tex going to make up for our pitching shortcomings?

Last time I checked, it takes pitching and hitting…

My vote is no… simple

By Larry A

July 29, 2007 8:46 PM | Link to this

I like Salty but he can stay or go, but the Braves can’t afford to give up good pitching with the rate they are losing pitchers to elbow problems this year. Maybe they should call Mike Marshall?

The attage is develop good young pitchers and trade them to fill in the bats where you need them. Somehow, the Braves have gotten away from that, need to get back to it. Every game Smoltz pitches is a miracle to itself. What happens when his arm finally falls off? Are we stuck with Kyle Davies (who hopefully will get his control problems straightened out).

By Robert

July 29, 2007 9:01 PM | Link to this

As far as Cox being “stupid” for starting Franco lately…Julio is 7 for his last 21. Cox rightly understands that, in order for Franco to be worth anything coming off the bench down the stretch (which is what he’ll be doing), Franco needs to get som ABs. Once again, those quick to brand Cox as stupid are again proven wrong.

As far as Salty putting up Teixeira-like numbers…it is utter foolishness to assume that will happen. Maybe he will…maybe he won’t. Plus, Teixeira has only made 8 errors in the last three years.

If you want Teixeira-like numbers…get Teixeira.

By Observer

July 29, 2007 9:03 PM | Link to this

Betemit is a heck of a lot better than Woodward. But, then so, was Orr.

Why not throw in Richmond’s younger Schuerholz? He may be one of the worse AAA hitters of recent memory.

Also, keep in mind, we have another good young 2B in Prado. Hitting .325 at Richmond. Much better fielder than Kelly Johnson but then most are. Kelly can hit but is not a good 2B.

By don

July 29, 2007 9:18 PM | Link to this

Since Teixeira will only be with Atlanta for, at the most, 200 games, I don’t think the “Teixeira type numbers” will amount to much. On the other hand Saltalamacchia has the potential to do much more over his extended time as a Brave.

Keep in mind that Teixeira’s success in Atlanta is not guaranteed. He could be less than expected as have been many others that Schuerholz has brought in to town.

By scott

July 29, 2007 9:23 PM | Link to this

The Braves are on pace to draw 2.7 million fans this year. That’s great no matter how you slice it.

By Bearcat

July 29, 2007 9:31 PM | Link to this

I would not trade a youngster like Salty for a one year wonder. I would trade Andruw Jones for Texiara or Roy Oswalt. Play the athletic Matt Diaz @1st Base and put the money to use for better things in the future.

By Doug

July 29, 2007 9:42 PM | Link to this

I’d love to get Tex for Salty.

Do we have enough to get Tex AND a SP from someone?

Maybe a Javier Vazquez (2.5 years left, $13 mil per)?? Adding Tex and Vazquez would be a coup if it could be done….and maybe a lefty reliever in the Tex/Salty deal?

By Houston Harry

July 29, 2007 9:44 PM | Link to this

Roy Oswalt IS NOT AVAILABLE IN A TRADE!! If he were don’t you think that the Yankees or Red Sox or anybody else with better pitching prospects than Atlanta has would be at the front of the line??

Any knowledgeable fan would know that.

By tj

July 29, 2007 9:47 PM | Link to this

No way I would trade Salty for Tex with him only signed through 08 and Scott Boras as his agent. He would have to agree to an extension for at least as long as it will be before Salty could become a free agent. Maybe JS is going to be like Bush, retire and let the next GM worry about that. This is why scouts are saying they would trade Tex straight up for Salty. I would probably let McCann try to play 1st base and let Salty catch before I’d play Franco. I really like McCann but Salty is a much better defensive catcher.

By Josh

July 29, 2007 9:48 PM | Link to this

Guys. We all like Salty. But trading him for Tex is the only realistic trade we have this year.

Do we need more pitching? Of course. Let’s go after Matt Morris. He’s considered the best pitcher available this year. Sarcasm aside…we have plenty of mediocore pitchers available. Why trade someone important for another one. There just isn’t any impact pitching available.

So…if we can’t get a pitcher, we might as well make our lineup disgusting. Texeira is a terrific player. Period. Salty has the potential to be a great catcher. But at first base…he’s just a bat. He’s blocked here by McCann (which for those of you saying Salty should start over him…McCann nearly won a batting title last year). Might as well let him catch somewhere else and fill a need on our team.

If JS can get Tex and a good reliever without giving up too much, go for it.

By Doug

July 29, 2007 9:51 PM | Link to this

I’d love to get Tex for Salty.

Do we have enough to get Tex AND a SP from someone?

Maybe a Javier Vazquez (2.5 years left, $13 mil per)?? Adding Tex and Vazquez would be a coup if it could be done….and maybe a lefty reliever in the Tex/Salty deal?

By vwburt

July 29, 2007 10:13 PM | Link to this

with a 80 million payroll, the braves needs to build their club with speed and pitching. it’s the only way the braves can compete with a middle of the road payroll. if salty had been sent to richmond this year to learn how to play first base they would have had him ready next year. sealty for tex may be a good trade, bue after a year tex signs with another club and salty is gone.

By Robert

July 29, 2007 10:15 PM | Link to this

It’s silly to assume that Teixeira will only be with the Braves for “at the most, 200 games”. With AJones gone (and he will be gone) and the fact that Smoltz won’t be around many more years, there’s plenty of money available to sign Teixeira long term. They found a way to sign Hudson…they can do the same for Tex.

Sure, there’s no guarantee that Teixeira will put up those numbers in Atl. But it’s a heckuva lot more likely that he will than Salty.

The Braves certainly need pitching help also, but IMHO it is foolish to go get a pitcher unless they plan to get a real pitching coach sometime soon. Since Leo’s buddy is out in Baltimore, there’s no reason for him to go back there instead of coming back here next year. McDowell has absolutely no success as a pitching coach on his professional resume…years of pitching staffs with 6.00 ERAs in the minors before coming to Atl. He is absolutely worthless. He cannot develop young pitchers and he doesn’t know how to fix decent ones when they start to have problems.

By Observer

July 29, 2007 10:22 PM | Link to this

Actually, Salty is not the only one who could bring something in return. It would be a good idea to unload Andruw Jones now for some good young prospects, about 3. It would have been a good idea last year to unload him.

He has had a terrible year and must approve any trade now. But, at least ask him. We could easily get some pitching help for him and if we get Tex, that would more than make up for A. Jones.

Slide Willie to Center, bring up Brandon Jones to platoon in left with Diaz.

Or, make no trades and keep Salty. Move Chipper to first and play Escobar at third. Escobar is good enough to play NOW.

By SAL

July 29, 2007 10:27 PM | Link to this

The problem with Braves this year is nothing new. To much payroll in to few players. The only difference this year is that Andruw Jones sucks.

Had Smoltz not called out Larry he would still be whining on the bench or DL.

Swapping Andruw for another short term rental player (remember J. D. Drew 1 and gone) seems insane to me.

As Bradley points out, Braves are not awful nor are they good. Teixeira will not make them a championship team this year or next year when he leaves.

Let Salty learn 1B and use Franco as defensive replacement for the rest of the year. Let Andruw leave this fall and use his salary to upgrade 2 or 3 positions.

Francouer, McCann, Salty, Kelley Johnson, and Escobar could easily be the ticket to another long playoff run starting in 2008 or 2009 at the latest.

By Robert

July 29, 2007 10:38 PM | Link to this

There will be never be a long playoff run without a bullpen and a pitching coach who knows how to coach pitchers.

By Secure

July 29, 2007 10:51 PM | Link to this

If the Braves keep Salty and work him at 1B, they need to add a third catcher. Bring up Bryan Pena and drop Thorman. It would give Cox more options with another switch hitter.

By HaRdTiMe

July 29, 2007 10:53 PM | Link to this

Why has Salty not ben playing the last few? Hmmmm…. is he being saved or hidden?

By Ed Jordan

July 29, 2007 11:02 PM | Link to this

Mark, the Braves must sign Tex to a long term deal to make this trade to give up Salty who is not eligible to become a free agent for years. Secondly, to trade additional prospects without getting a LH relieve, i.e., Mahay is crazy. Renteria for Garland is a more logical move. Why do they not just play Salty, my opinion is they do not want the fans to see how good he is!

By Ed Jordan

July 29, 2007 11:03 PM | Link to this

Mark, the Braves must sign Tex to a long term deal to make this trade to give up Salty who is not eligible to become a free agent for years. Secondly, to trade additional prospects without getting a LH relieve, i.e., Mahay is crazy. Renteria for Garland is a more logical move. Why do they not just play Salty, my opinion is they do not want the fans to see how good he is!

By chung

July 29, 2007 11:16 PM | Link to this

Trade Jarrod Salty,p Matt Harrison and maybe another minor leaguer for !B tierxa p. C.J Wilson and Eric Gange

By Jimbo

July 30, 2007 12:06 AM | Link to this

I love Salty. I want him here. The only way I would trade him is if they could sign Tex long term. Hopefully they will be able to use the money they used to spend on AJ to do that. Imagine where we would be now if Tex was hitting 4th instead of AJ. Probably 5 games ahead of the Mutts.

By Coach (Hank Aaron Is The Real HR Champion)

July 30, 2007 12:42 AM | Link to this

Mark Bradley , your mostly right. However , I view this impending trade as nothing more than the Braves adding Teixeira’s bat for the final two months of this season and replacing Andruw’s bat for all of 2008. With the impending free agency of Hampton and both Chipper , Renteria in an option year in 2008 the Braves are anticipating having the money to resign Teixeira after 2008 otherwise there is no way in hell Schuerholz would be selling the farm for one player. The Braves need pitching , the early season struggles of the rotation have wore the bullpen down. Teixeira can’t pitch , obviously. So , if anyone thinks that this trade by itself will vault the Braves into playoff contention in 2007 , they are going to be sadly disappointed. Unless this trade includes a pitcher and JS has other arm’s coming via trade , we are dead in the water because M-E-D-I-O-C-R-E .500 team’s like this 2007 Braves squad won’t make the playoffs.

By Johnny Danger Dawg

July 30, 2007 12:48 AM | Link to this

To paraphrase Mark Bradley: “Trading Salty-for-Tex may not fix the Braves’ problems, but it will send a signal that the Braves want to be a better team.” Is that really a good reason for a trade? Personally, I think the purpose of a trade SHOULD BE TO INCREASE VICTORIES.

By JD

July 30, 2007 12:48 AM | Link to this

Don’t go for Tex. You’ve got a starting lineup today (7/29) that has 6 guys batting .287 or better (4 at .300+ with the NL leading hitter), you also have A Jones who leads team in HR’s and RBI’s (& believe it or not, is on track for 30 HR’s and 100 RBI’s - with his avg- it means we get a lot of guys on base. McCann is struggling, but he’s been injured and he’s apparently healthy, so we know what he can do. Don’t forget that we have two guys on bench today, Escobar and Diaz who bat .300+. 1B is a problem, but one position player. We need Salty. We get rid of him and Cox is liable to want another catcher. He’ll get Brayan Pena back from AAA (whom he won’t play) or pull someone out of retirement like Todd Pratt or trade for his one time favorites, Bako or Blanco for “veteran experience at catcher”. You think Woodward, Franco or Thorman can’t hit… .

To be JS. Here’s what’s going through his mind: 1)Trade for Tex- We might resign him, bolster an already great lineup and replace AJ’s bat for 2008, but still need pitching and need to make another trade, giving up more prospects 2) Get a starter and then have a starting rotation of Smoltz, Hudson, Hampton, James and this guy for 2008. Of course that thinking got us the wonderful rotation of JS, TH, CJ, Redman and Davies in 2007! Hampton has to show up. That would be awesome on paper. 3) Get a top notch reliever like Gagne or Dotel and then go into 2008 with Wickman, Soriano, Gonzalez and the new guy. What a bullpen! but I think we have to resign Wick and hope Gonzo is okay.

What do you do? Hope the Astros were right in saying that Ensberg needed a fresh place to play and clears waivers, pick him up, and say nighty night mistake to Woodward. How could he be worse? You then get a starter or a reliever. This way you might be able to deal Jo Jo, Davies or someone not so great and keep Salty. An average starter is better than any 5th starter we have had (I’d like to have Carlyle as a 5th starter) and a reliever would help an ailing bullpen- especially one with no left handers in it now that Ledezma is gone.

Don’t forget we have made trades after the deadline who contributed: we got Neagle, Alejandra Pena, Deveroux, Berryhill and few others after the trading deadline. We can make trades by 8/31 to be eligible for playoff roster.

By the way, Jorge Sosa, as much as I love him, he is suckin’ eggs with the Mets- Last 10 games: 4-5 4.95 ERA

My guess is that Moylan PH for Salty b/c Salty was the only bench player left and someone has to catch if McCann gets hurt. Jo Jo has PH a couple of times this year as well.

By Richard

July 30, 2007 1:52 AM | Link to this

This trade would be great for the braves. Salty is not a first baseman and has B-Mac blocking his way. Harrison will not be an ace but only a decent pitcher like a horacio ramirez. Tex will hit and hit. The braves have many more pitcing prospects coming like thomas hanson, jamie richmond, and a lot more in danville and in GCL.

By Double Deuce

July 30, 2007 1:53 AM | Link to this

We all like Salty, but McCann just got six years and $26 mil, was an All Star last year and this, almost won the batting title last year and calls a great game. He’s going nowhere. Salty is going to be a great catcher, he will never be a great first baseman, and probably wants this trade more than most of us so he can play. Its a waste to have him sitting on the bench. This is a good deal for both sides, it works. We get a great first baseman and hopefully some help for the bullpen, Salty gets to play everyday and become the player we all believe he will. Let’s hope its done by noon so we can all move on to how bad Andruw is again, or whatever it was we were hung up on before the trade talks:)

By box

July 30, 2007 2:10 AM | Link to this

keep salty bring back pena as backup catcher play salty at first let franco sit his old tierd a* back on the bench and please release chris woodard

By box

July 30, 2007 2:18 AM | Link to this

move andruw down to eigth and trade scott thorman chris woodward and kyle davies for for tex

By AtlBuckheadBama

July 30, 2007 4:53 AM | Link to this

The Big Tex trade actually makes PERFECT sense, atleast in my eyes, anyway. Think about it. Andruw has nearly Bold: SEVENTY rbi’s, and he’s hitting Bold: UNDER .220! They discussed his % of RISP that he’s actually driven in, during a telecast a few days ago, and his % was unbelievably low. He’s simply driving in a ton of runs because there are ALWAYS runners on base in front of him. Think about what putting a .300 hitter with PLENTY of pop (35 bombs averaged over the last four years, and those numbers for a LAST place team for basically EVERY game during each of those seasons), in a spot in which he always has an opportunity to drive runners in. Now, not only will he be driving himself in with the long ball, there’s really no telling what kind of production Big Tex could have with the amount of RISP that Druw has had so far. Not to mention that with him in the lineup rather than Druw, those guys who are already constantly on base, should see more pitches to hit, since now they won’t be able to pitch AROUND the first 3 hitters just to GET to our cleanup hitter. I also think adding Teixeira automatically increases the production we’ll get out of the 3rd spot in the lineup, because there’s really no telling what kind of pitches Chipper will get if he’s being protected by a hitter like Teixeira, who does nearly as good a job of hitting for a high average as he does at hitting the ball out of the ballpark.

I think Tex is an absolute matchup freak. Can you imagine having to prepare for TWO, switch-hitting, high average hitting sluggers, right slap in the middle of the everyday lineup? Righty’s can’t just automatically pitch around Chipper, to get to the right handed Jones, because now Big Tex will come to the plate and bat left handed. Tex also has bat cleanup the majority of the last few seasons, so he already has been successful batting 4th, which, in my opinion, is currently our most glaring weakness (both the spot in the lineup AND the position Teixeira plays!) of an otherwise, pretty formidable lineup. He’s also considered, if not the best, then one of the best, defensive first basemen in the American league. So let’s see. Should we add a former Georgia Tech standout, who plays a gold glove caliber 1B, hits a solid .300 every season, to go along with his 30 to 40 hr’s and drives in over 120 rbi’s, every single season? No reason not to. We’re giving up Salty, who DESERVES to play the position he’s learned and played his entire life (you guys know how catchers LOVE catching!) and we CAN’T play him there anyway, either Harrison or Davies (HOPEFULLY Davies, but I’m going to be seriously SHOCKED if Harrison becomes a front of the rotation starter, atleast while with Texas anyway, if for no other reason than because of the difficulty pitcher’s have pitching in Arlington, and a defensive whiz shortstop, whose only 18 years old. There’s just NO way of telling how a player that young will turn out, and I understand how excited Braves fans have been about Salty and Andrus, and even Harrison the last year or so, but, given JS’s track record of Bold: TOP PROSPECTS, he’s traded away to acquire big pieces of the puzzle (see Andy Marte, Luis Rivera, etc.), I’ll the mid-20’s 1st base slugger.

As far as salary is concerned, there is NO reason we can’t re-sign Teixeira. I know he’s got Big Bad Scotty representin him, but so does Andruw Jones, and Andruw’s already taken less money once to stay in Atlanta, and COULD very well do the same thing again after this season. Teixeira playing at G.T. HAS to play into his decision when he decides what to do, but I’ve got a feeling he’s going to like it in Atlanta, and I’ve also got a feeling we’re going to have PLENTY of money to spend. Think about it, Liberty Media has already stated they love baseball, and while being lifelong BoSox fans (not great that they’ve been Boston fans rather than Atlanta fans, but atleast they’ve watched their favorite team’s owner spend money, and atleast they realize spending that extra money has significantly helped the Sox be successful. They said they realize the corrolation between payroll increase, and wins/losses, and will be willing to increase payroll IF it’s for the right piece to the puzzle. I know that could be all talk, but at the very least, they already have AGREED in their contract that they CAN’T decrease salary over the next five years. If they decide to even increase payroll by $10M, signing Teixeira won’t be very tough. That will be the same time we finally rid ourselves of Mike Hampton’s what seems like 100 year, $1B contract, so that will free up ATLEAST $16M, but perhaps even $26M or more if payroll is increased. Also remember we may NOT resign Andruw Jones, which would really free up some cash by that time.

I see no reason not to make the move for Teixeira. We can AFFORD to lose the players we’ll be losing, it would be GREAT if we got CJ or the other Ranger lefty, but even if we don’t, I bet we’ll offer the right piece to acquire Marte from the Pirates (they said all they want is ONE major league ready player, any chance Chris Woodward qualifies here?). We can afford to resign Teixeira, even at somewhere around $20M a year. And, we may NEED a big bat to REPLACE (although, I feel like it’s doing more than REPLACING, more like UPGRADING) Andruw Jones, if he decides to go elsewhere next season. But, I think the biggest reason to get Big Tex, is that he, along with a lefty specialist for the bullpen, and ANY improvement in the 5th spot of the rotation, nearly GUARANTEES us the playoffs, atleast the wild card, if not the division. As long as the Braves can MAKE the playoffs, I give this team as good a shot as ANYBODY, because we will throw Smoltz and Hudson atleast FOUR times in a seven game series, and a five game series. You don’t need five quality starters in the playoffs. Two aces and a Chuck James will suffice with a lineup that has either Brian McCann or Jeff Francouer in the SEVENTH spot, and a .300 hitting, walk MACHINE in Kelly Johnson batting EIGHTH. Make the move Schuerholtz, you and Bobby MAY only have THIS as your last shot to win it all. Go for it!

By bevsouth

July 30, 2007 7:36 AM | Link to this

Pitching,Pitching,Pitching.One has to wonder what Salty could bring in the way of a qualitystarter.Snell,Grodansky(sp), maybe even Harrang or Lowry.

By Dugout Doug

July 30, 2007 7:46 AM | Link to this

Observer: “Much better fielder than Kelly Johnson but then most are. Kelly can hit but is not a good 2B.”

How well could you play 2B after just 4 months playing the position??

Maybe Not-So-Obervant is a better nickname for you!

By don

July 30, 2007 7:55 AM | Link to this

No, Robert. The silliness is in believing that the Braves will sign Teixeiora beyond the 2008 season. It is also silly to believe that Teixeira will “lead” the team to a division championship this year or next year.

It is below silly to trade off your future on such a folly.

Shoot, Robert. You probably still like the Ledezma deal as well as the Drew deal and the Farnsworth deal.

Players lose theirt skills with age. Schuerholz, to give him the benefit of the doubt, needs to retire.

By bevsouth

July 30, 2007 8:16 AM | Link to this

Sems to me with Smoltz,Chipper getting older,2008 is our last chance to win it all for a while. If Hampton and Gonzo can come back and Tex in the cleanup spot,even w/o AJ, we can do it. Make the trade if Texas will do it.

By MS

July 30, 2007 8:29 AM | Link to this

MARK YOU ARE RIGHT ON THE MONEY! MAKE THE DEAL FOR TEX. CHECK OUT THOSE CAREER NUMBERS.

By DJ

July 30, 2007 8:43 AM | Link to this

Here’s the deal…This trade has to be made one way or another! To be able to get a guy of the caliber as Teixeira’s is a no-brainer. Trade Jarrod Saltalamacchia, Matt Harrison, and possibly Brent Lillibridge or Elvis Andrus for Teixeira and possibly lefty CJ Wilson or Ron Mahay.

The logic here is that you immediately upgrade your infield with a 27 year-old all-star and gold glove performer with power to complement the middle portion of the current batting order and get Andruw out of that cleanup spot. Dropping ‘Druw to maybe the fifth or sixth slot in the order will only help him long term for the remainder of the season, and not to mention that Chipper would see better pitches to hit.

Upper management should really go ahead and pull the trigger ASAP if they really want to WIN and WIN now. I hear every year during the course of spring training that “we are going to put the best championship caliber team on the field.” Yes, I understand the budget constraints, however, here is a golden opportunity to go after and put the team in position to instantly become a perennial choice to actually win the NL East & possibly the NL pennant.

Making this deal will also allow you to look ahead for next season and have Tex around for ‘08 and sign him to a long term deal, since it is a sure bet that Andruw is a goner after this season. I know that Boras represents Tex as well, but he may sign for 14 or 15 million over 4 years versus Andruw looking to be the next 20 million dollar major leaguer.

The bottom line is that Salty is a natural-born CATCHER now trying a new position in the middle of the season at first base. He’s not comfortable, but he is sacrificing for the betterment of the team. The Bravos are in position to maintain some stability in th pennant race. Youth is not going to carry us over the top. Once again opportunity is right here.

NEWS FLASH is that we are not getting the productivity from our current first basemen, with a combine .205 batting average and a mere 37 RBI’s. TOTALLY NOT ACCEPTABLE!!! Scott Thorman is not getting it done and is constantly proving it and Bobby has given him every opportunity. Although we picked up Julio Franco, we all know that he is not the answer for an everyday role. His clubhouse leadership is the major reason he is back in a Braves uniform.

When was the last time the Braves were in position to acquire a major bat at first base like this one? Try Fred McGriff back in 1993 or maybe Andres Galaragga in 1998. This is an area that the Braves seem to overlook each and every year for the past several years. A feared bat in the middle of the order that can play first base. An opposing pitcher would really be concerned pitching to a lineup like this one:

1. K. Johnson/L. Harris 2. E. Renteria 3. C. Jones 4. M. Teixeira 5. J. Francoeur 6. A. Jones 7. B. McCann 8. M. Diaz/Y. Escobar 9. Pitcher

WOW!!! Again, this is a no-brainer. Yes, it has been said that pitching wins championships; however, if other teams are winning the past titles based on good offenses, I say that we get to getting ourselves. Our minor league system is still strong enough to where we can give up on some prospects.

Mr. Bradley, if you should read this please observe my points and take them into account. I have been a Braves fan since 1981 and have seen great stars come and go and even seen the bad year’s pre-1990. If John Schuerholz, Frank Wren, and the other front office staff are REALLY REALLY SERIOUS about winning in ‘07 and beyond and stating another streak of division titles and more, then here’s an opportunity to take those steps and build from there. You’ve got players, such as Smoltzie and Chipster, who would love to be in the position and challenge for another ring and others like Andruw who would like to get a taste of being in the dance, especially before he vaults for another team in ‘08.

OPPORTUNITY MIGHT NOT BE AVAILABLE AGAIN!!!

By Mark

July 30, 2007 8:54 AM | Link to this

I’m a Rangers fan, and I hate to say it, but I hope we do trade him. He’s had issues with Showalter AND Washington, not saying he’s a big trouble maker but he’s not ideal. Don’t count of getting CJ Wilson though, I believe he will be our closer when Gagne is traded. We’ll happily take Salty and give you tex, and there is likely no way the Braves will be able to sign him. Boras is already talking about getting him Arod type money, he will either be a Yankee or take less to play for his dream team, the Orioles.

By AJ GREEN WEARS #1

July 30, 2007 8:55 AM | Link to this

11,18,7,6

What do these numbers mean? Well, these are Tex’s rank in the AL this season and the last 3 in ONBASE PLUS SLUGGING(OPS). This is why you make the trade. We are talking BIG TIME SLUGGER who GETS ONBASE alot.

Tex is as good as McGriff was in ‘93 if not better. I would love to see one of the relievers added and would insist on it. This is a great deal.

By houstonbrave

July 30, 2007 9:06 AM | Link to this

i liked this deal and thought the braves would pull it off. however, i’m starting to think that tex will stay with the rangers or go to the dodgers. how serious is harrisons injury? i know the nats were looking to sign young to a longer deal (if they haven’t already). what are the chances of going after him? too bad gonza got hurt. the pitchers that have pitch when he would’ve been in there have cost us a few games already.

By GE

July 30, 2007 9:21 AM | Link to this

This is nuts. Teixeira will not put the Braves in the playoffs and they will never come up with enough money to resign him in 2008 even after Andruw leaves. So why give up Salty who is a good gate draw and a much less of a hit to the payroll?

By JoeTex

July 30, 2007 9:21 AM | Link to this

To Dale: Tex’s most recent injury stopped a consecutive streak of 507 games played. How is that injury prone? Learn your facts before posting. Tex is a student of the game, he may be a little too much for Braves fans to handle.

By Doug B

July 30, 2007 9:24 AM | Link to this

Statistics are undependable, but I have recollections of claims that the Braves ranked high in the National League and maybe the Major League in hitting and runs scored. I very seldom experience dread when any Brave hitter steps to the plate. It is true that those playing first base are struggling, but Salty added hits.

The problem last year and this year has been lack of consistent pitching.

Also filling the stadium is somewhat dependent on the fans liking the players. Will Teixeira be liked here? Will he like it here? Salty is liked here and likes it here. He was batting over .300.

If Salty is indeed getting attention around the league, get us pitching. However, to have a staff made up of Maddox, Glavine, Smoltz, and Avery (though he fizzled-out after 1993) is a rare occasion. Few teams have been able to duplicate that.

By they way what ever happened to all those pitching prospects I kept hearing about over the years? Did the Braves over-coach them? Did they discourage them so that they couldn’t blossom into major leaguers? Did they over-rate their prospects? Did the media I was hearing from over-rate the prospects?

By Brett

July 30, 2007 9:28 AM | Link to this

I totally disagree, Mr. Bradley. We are more in need of a starting pitcher and/or relief help than a 1b. We have Salty who should be put at 1b and left there. Put other prospects out there and go after an Oswalt or other pitching help. Oswalt has said the Braves are one of the only teams to which he would waive his no-trade clause, so, JS, get on the phone with the Astros GM. We are in much more need of pitching than we are in need for a 1b. Texiera is NOT gonna win a playoff berth for the Braves…pitching help might.

By Truth

July 30, 2007 9:31 AM | Link to this

DON’T DO IT!!! I love Tex but he’s injury prone and Salty can learn 1st base easily. It would be a HUGE mistake to do this trade. Instead let’s trade prospects for a solid starter.

By AJ GREEN WEARS #1

July 30, 2007 9:33 AM | Link to this

How are statistics independable? Statistics are used to predict what a future outcome may be like. Will he be liked? He went to Tech, is familiar with the area I think he would want to come back.

For those who want pitching..tell me who! No one is worth trading for! Go get the BIG bat and middle reliever.

By GT

July 30, 2007 9:33 AM | Link to this

For the Braves to include any of their prospect pitching as part of a Texeira deal that receives no pitching in return would be ridiculous. And CJ Wilson is probably the only Rangers pitcher the Braves need to consider (read: not Gagne). Not that Schureholz would understand this, but the Braves aren’t exactly stocked with a pitching rich farm system these days. To deplete it any further smacks of incompetence.

By trey

July 30, 2007 9:36 AM | Link to this

I cant disagree with you more, Mark. Look at the two players in question, both power hitting switch hitters, both 1Bmen(I agree that Salty will never be our catcher). However, Salty is still raw where Tex is polished, but he is also younger, more durable, and cheaper. I really feel that Salty will become a better version of Tex in the future, and we could use the money saved to get a bigtime starter.

By S. Mauney

July 30, 2007 9:36 AM | Link to this

I do not believe the Braves can keep Tex beyond this year if they get him. I don’t think you should trade Salty for Tex or trade any of other prospects for him period. I have realized that is a done year for the Braves and they should start thinking toward 2008 and with their own guys in the minors. I know I am not a long time fan(fan since ‘93) but since that time I have seed some lousy moves by JS. What we need is starting pitching and some relieve guys. IF YOU PLAY SALTY at first instead of Franco, he can only get better. Franco is a great guy but he can only help as a coach not player. New ownership is not any better or they would keep their top prospects and open up their wallet to spend on the pitching we need. Why make a point that you need a first baseman when you gave away one in Adam. How I wish that Ted Turner was back in the ownership chair.

By Cecil

July 30, 2007 9:46 AM | Link to this

Imagine this lineup

1. Kelly Johnson
2. Edgar Renteria
3. Chipper Jones
4. Mark Teixiera
5. Andruw Jones
6. Brian McCann
7. Jeff Francoeur
8. Matt Diaz/ Willie Harris
9. Pitcher

By plugging a power hitting switch hitter into the lineup you create a matchup nightmare for opposing coaches. I would ask you to find me a tougher lineup 2-7 anywhere in baseball.

Based on all of the news we have made the offer, we’re just waiting for Texas to accept our deal or the Casey Kotchman deal from the Angels.

By Joe

July 30, 2007 9:46 AM | Link to this

An astute write once said that the Braves can go far with the “Smoltzie and Huddy and hope you get luck strategy”. Salty’s a valuable asset. If they think that he can’t be a good first basement (and catcher back-up), then wait until you can get a good pitcher for him.

By joe

July 30, 2007 9:48 AM | Link to this

There was a typo in my previous posting. An astute write once said that the Braves canNOT go far with the “Smoltzie and Huddy and hope you get luck strategy”. Salty’s a valuable asset. If they think that he can’t be a good first basement (and catcher back-up), then wait until you can get a good pitcher for him.

By Doug B

July 30, 2007 9:58 AM | Link to this

AJ GREEN WEARS #1

Statistics are not dependable because there are so many angles to examine that the data contradicts itself. According to statistical information Jim Whitehead was supposed to crush Paul Broun the recent 10th District Congressional run-off. Broun won. A. Jones “statistically” is supposed to have a higher batting average than he has. I see his average is still hanging around .200.

But your point on pitching obviously is well taken. There aren’t pitchers available. But I don’t see giving up a Salty for Tex helps the Braves all that much either. Tex is likely gone for bigger money shortly after the Braves get him. And “Statistically” is the offensive all that different? Time will tell. Keep Salty. Find ways to help him blossom and there are ways. Perhaps, the Braves have forgotten how to help players reach their potentials. We certainly have seem some pretty good pitchers fail to reach their potentials the past couple of years. Guys who can throw 95 mph fastballs suddenly can’t find the strike zone when they get here. That’s an attitude problem, a failure to help pitchers cut through being intimidated by major league hitters.

By gtfan

July 30, 2007 10:07 AM | Link to this

He was a standout at Tech, and I’ve been following him since he joined the bigs.

He can also play third so if/when Chipper goes down or needs a rest, he can move over and Bobby can platoon 1st base as he likes to do.

By Joe

July 30, 2007 10:21 AM | Link to this

I think this proposed trade is crazy and a very foolish business deal. Why would you trade a potential low priced all star for the next 3-4 years for a player who will only play 40% of this season and then play for $12 M next year. That seems to be a whopping $11.5 M difference in salaries that can be used for Andruw. They cannot afford to keep him if they make this trade. Bye Bye Andruw, Salty, Elvis and Matt. This is nuts!!!!!

By bushwacker

July 30, 2007 10:23 AM | Link to this

While its not the case, playing Franco makes us looks deseperate, not something we think of when discussing the A Braves.

By skin

July 30, 2007 10:30 AM | Link to this

Bowman on the Atlanta Braves Website included this statement in his article today made by a scout:

“One National League scout said it’s his belief that the Braves are still offering Saltalamacchia, Harrison and 18-year-old phenom Elvis Andrus for Teixeira, who is hitting .297 with a .397 on-base percentage and .524 slugging percentage this year. “

Now, I am not necessarily against this trade, but that is a lot to give up for just one player that may only be here for the next 1 and a half seasons. Harrison is regarded by many to be the top pitching prospect in the organization. And we all know a little about Elvis.

By DoesItMatter

July 30, 2007 10:40 AM | Link to this

As long as Cox is managing the Braves it doesn’t matter if Shurholtz puts a Teixiera caliber player at every position, they aren’t going to win any more WS, if they can even get to one again. Cox is the worst, albiet luckiest manager in the game (to have had more talent to work with over the years than anyone), he’s done less with more than anyone in MLB history.

Get rid of that putz, and you might have a chance. But don’t trade away your future until you have one… and as long as Cox is there, you don’t.

By James Waters

July 30, 2007 10:46 AM | Link to this

Number 1, every person who says we should go after Oswalt is out of their mind. How often do u see pitchers like that traded? Houston is asking for 3 prospects just for Mark Loretta, imagine what they’d want for Oswalt.

Number 2, there is really no reason to not ake the trade. Playing Salty at 1B is just dumb, he’s not a 1B, HE’S A CATCHER!

By Colin

July 30, 2007 10:58 AM | Link to this

WOW if we got Oswalt that would be the best rotation in all of baseball…Smoltz Huddy, Oswalt, James, Buddy.

By James Waters

July 30, 2007 11:01 AM | Link to this

Number 1, every person who says we should just trade for Oswalt is out of their mind. How often do u see pitchers like that traded? Houston is asking for 3 prospects for Mark Loretta, imagine what they would want for Oswalt.

Number 2, i see no reason for us to not do this trade. Salty is not a first baseman, Teixeira is, its simple. Lets move Andruw to first, hes not a first baseman either? Dont the move potential stud catcher and stunt his growth, its not fair to him and we dont need him.

We are going to sign either Andruw or Teixeira if we get him, if we let Andruw walk after the season, the we will re-sign Teixeira no doubt. We dont need that Andruws kid either. for now weve got the best hitting shortstop in the league and then Yunel will have that job and either prado or johnson will have second.

The National league is not that good. Were 4 games out without Teixeira and he would make an amizing difference hitting behind chipper who is getting no credit for carry this team offensively right now. With Teixiera and a lefty reliever we make the playoffs easily. In the NL any one can go to the W.S you just have to make it to the postseason and with Smolts and Hudson thats a combo no team wants to face then.

Make the deal, its a no brainer. They are good prospects but none of them besides maybe harrison is going to contribute to this team. Its better for us to considerably improve our offense then trade for a starter b/c all of the starters out their are crap.

Make the team better, give the team a shot of energy. let the fans know you’re serious about winning this year and create some buss around Atlanta and you’ve atleast got a Wild-Card team and i think an NL East champ with the mets riddled by injury especially with beltran soon to be on the 15 day DL. Teixeira helps us win now which is most important.

By Dick

July 30, 2007 11:07 AM | Link to this

Train Salty to play first. You then have a first baseball as well as back up to McCann. Trade Cox for Leyland. MIght make it back to WS if we do that.

By Mark

July 30, 2007 11:07 AM | Link to this

Does it matter,

You are actually telling the truth about that Bobby. I mean he is the greatest REGULAR SEASON MANAGER

By otisfirefly

July 30, 2007 11:08 AM | Link to this

Sorry Mark, but I don’t see this. If KJ can learn 2nd. Then Salty can learn 1st. I’ve got to think that if you throw away our top prospect, you risk another down time player like Kenny Lofton or JD Drew.

Keep Salty. Switch hitter? Check Rocket Arm? Check Tons and Tons of up-side? Check Keep Salty.

By AJ GREEN WEARS #1

July 30, 2007 11:11 AM | Link to this

Doug,

Good point. What I am trying to get accross to the anti-trade crowd is the Tex is a excellent 1st baseman. When you can put together 4 seasons where you are getting on base and slugging at a high rate then he is worth trading Salty for. If we where talking about making a move for the sake of making amove then don’t do it. Also if we go get Tex why keep Andruw? Tex is a switch hitter and much younger than Andruw. Tex will b locked in thru the ‘08 season, and he is much younger.

By Finally...

July 30, 2007 11:17 AM | Link to this

** From FoxSports 10 min. ago…

The Braves are on the verge of acquiring Rangers first baseman Mark Teixeira.

The deal is done, pending a review of the medical records of the players involved, according to major-league sources. The Braves will receive Teixeira and left-handed reliever Ron Mahay.

The Rangers will receive catcher Jarrod Saltalamacchia, Class A shortstop Elvis Andrus and two pitching prospects.
**

By RamblinWreckCF

July 30, 2007 11:21 AM | Link to this

foxnews.com has that the trade is just waiting approval. Welcome back to Atlanta Tex!!!

By lynn

July 30, 2007 11:23 AM | Link to this

Ken Rosenthal on foxsports.com is reporting that the Braves are set to acquire Tex! The trade would include Tex & lefty Mahay for Salty, Elvis, and 2 minor league pitching prospects. I just wonder who the 2 pitching prospects are??

By Wes

July 30, 2007 11:26 AM | Link to this

The deal is done! Hallelujah! Now I just wonder who the 2 pitching prospects are…

By TampaBrave

July 30, 2007 11:26 AM | Link to this

Bradley,

Well written piece. Lots of good info. Hope we use our over abundance at SS to get more pitching whether it be immediate or in development. I think the best way to use our farm system is to favor drafting good pitching with high draft picks and the position players second. It’s very hard to acquire good pitching thru free agency without paying thru the nose.

By Randall

July 30, 2007 11:34 AM | Link to this

Put Salty at first base and keep him there. Why sacrifice a young talent that we can keep for awhile for a temporary Rent-A-Player that we probably won’t keep when his contract ends?

By Mark

July 30, 2007 11:35 AM | Link to this

Does it matter,

You are actually telling the truth about Bobby. I mean he is the greatest REGULAR SEASON MANAGER ever, but we all know what type of a manger he is in the PLAYOFFS. If we did get Texeira, Bobby would go back to that waiting on a homerun mess. The Braves aren’t a bad hitting team, we just have a manager that wants to continue to keep a .215 hitters in the 4th spot.

It is sickening that Francouer isn’t hitting 4th or at least Brian McCann. They both hit well with runners in scoring position. Especially, when there is two outs. Andruw should bat 7th in the order.

We need pitchers more than anything. Lately, we have been in position to win games, but our pitching has let us down. We should have gone 8-2 on the road trip before the Allstar break and 8-2 on the last homestand. We should have had at least a winning road trip. Our bullpen is getting tired and our 3-5 starters aren’t giving any help. Texeira can’t come in and preserve a lead late.

This sounds crazy I know, but hell put Escobar at 1st base for now and go after a pitcher. I would say Chipper, but he might hurt himself trying to stretch after a ball.

I think that we have learned that power pitching wins championships. I have a seen some great lineups get humiliated in the playoffs. I like this new brand of baseball that we are playing. This takes us back to the Otis Nixon and Deion Sanders days. On this past trip we did hit and run in Arizona and a squeeze in San Fransisco.

Last year we had a first baseman that hit well. Laroche hit 32 homers and had 90 runs batted in and guess what we didn’t make the playoffs. We need pitching and let’s continue to manufacture these runs.

By Chris

July 30, 2007 11:43 AM | Link to this

I really do not understand the continued comments about how crazy it is to start Julio at first. The man was 7-21 on the road trip for a .333 average. He’s coming around quickly now that he’s actually getting a chance to have some at bats.

By Bryan

July 30, 2007 11:47 AM | Link to this

Per KeN Rosenthal of foxsports.com, the deal has gone final. The Braves aquire Texiera and Ron Mahay for Salty, Elvis Andrus, and 2 pitching prospects, pending medical review.

By GE

July 30, 2007 11:52 AM | Link to this

It is absolutely insane to keep giving up young talent for players who are only posturing themselves for a big pay day in the future. Something must be wrong with Salty (cannot throw and catch the ball at first or behind the plate) for the Braves to be shopping him. Why not put McCann at first and put Salty behind the plate? McCann could not throw out Sid Bream at second if he was still playing. I also question his mobility and unwillingness to take a hit behind the plate. I believe that he still remembers the hit he took previously and the rersultant damage to his ankle.He has a long term contract(which was a very stupid move allstar or not).

We know that both these guys can hit but we may have to live with the defensive lapses. Salty should not be traded unless we are getting an existing or potential top of the line pitcher. We have the sticks already except for first base. If Ron Gant, Chipper Jones(he gave up the all star position at third to play left field), could change positions, so can McCann or Salty. Craig Biggio gave up the catchers position to play second base. Let Tex stay in Texas with George W Bush. We already made that mistake, so why repeat it?

By Michael T

July 30, 2007 11:56 AM | Link to this

I understand a good starter might be impossible for the Braves to pick up, so, I’d just say,if they could Tex for a minimum of 3 years and they’ve noticed some weakness in Salty that might mean he’d not make a quick transition to first, then do the trade - if it’s not too costly. I’m not enthusiastic, though. If the Marlins can win 2 championships without renting the big guns, why can’t the Braves?

By don

July 30, 2007 11:58 AM | Link to this

The bottom line is that only the Braves are fool enough to empty the cupboard for a 1+ year rental.

Does anyone really think that Teixeira will lead them to the playoffs? And, of course, I shouldn’t forget the 36 year old re4liever that is also being thrown in.

Goodbye, Braves. I will miss what used to be but won’t miss you.

By Bluefox

July 30, 2007 11:58 AM | Link to this

Mark brings up a good point: why not just place the switch-hitting Salty full time at first base for the rest of the season?? Franco can spell him when he catches while pinch hitting other games, and the organization can determine if Salty is indeed the “real deal” for the future.

By The Murf

July 30, 2007 11:59 AM | Link to this

Its official….

By Josh Massey

July 30, 2007 12:05 PM | Link to this

ESPN is reporting the deal is just about done. Teixeira and left-handed reliever Ron Mahay for Salty and three unnamed minor leaguers.

LOVE IT.

By Madi Son

July 30, 2007 12:06 PM | Link to this

If Salty could play first base, he would be with the Braves already. Texiera isn’t going to do anything with the Braves. It is going to take him a while to adjust to the pitchers and he isn’t in a crackerjack ballpark like Arlington anymore. He is going to be a warning track power guy who will leave after next year anyway.

By Anders

July 30, 2007 12:13 PM | Link to this

Hey Braves fans - You need starting pitching right - We’ll give you Tom Glavine back tonight along with Carlos Beltran for Andrew Jones and Franceur. You’re gonna lose Jones anyway and you’ll have Beltran locked up for years in a town where I think he’d thrive rather than the Big Apple where he shrinks the bigger the moment gets. As for Glavine - he’s never been a Met in his heart and he never will be. This gives the Braves a better chance to make the playoffs this year and locks up center field for them for 3 or 4 more years. You can find corner outfielders easy enough. Plus if you hurry Glavine could win his 300th as a Brave!

By AJ GREEN WEARS #1

July 30, 2007 12:14 PM | Link to this

My hats off to John for making the biggest trade in a long time. Yes they gave up alot, but what they got iin Tex is a guy who can play first for the next 10 years. Why can’t you guys see this!

By don schell

July 30, 2007 12:16 PM | Link to this

Another great move by the best GM in any sport

By iwalterp

July 30, 2007 12:17 PM | Link to this

I agree with those who say that the Braves at this point need a frontline starting pitcher more so than they need another bat at 1st base. However, you’ve got to make the best deal for your team overall. Right now there are no frontline 1,or 2 starting pitchers on the market. It would be silly for JS to give up Salty and prospects for a number 3 or 4 starter. Tex will not be the savior for this team this year, but with Andruw leaving next year, the Braves need a consistant run producer behind Chipper for next year and beyond. With Andruw’s and Hampton’s salaries gone after next year, they should be able to sign Tex even if the purse strings are still a little tight. With his signing the Braves will have stability at 3d(Chipper/Escobar/Campbell), shortstop(Renteria/Escobar/Andrus or Lillibridge), second(Johnson/Escobar/Prado), first(Texieria/Thorman/Franco), catcher(McMann/Pena), leftfield(Harris/Diaz/Lillibridge) and rightfield(Frenchy/B.Jones). the only spot that would be in question as for as run producer would be centerfield. They knew before the season that they would have to address that position, but did not know that the opportunity would arise to fill the 1st base position and get a run producing ceanup hitter at the same time. GET IT DONE ALREADY BEFORE WE CHANGE OUR MINDS!

By bubba

July 30, 2007 12:18 PM | Link to this

Last week it was the Mets making a “panic” move by dropping a bad hitting coach and hiring Rickey Henderson, while releasing a 48 year old hitting .200. If that was panic, then what is it when you give up your top 3 prospects plus one for a guy you’ll have for 1.5 years? That has Panic written all over it. I expect to see the “Braves Panic” article tomorrow

By Mark Bradley

July 30, 2007 12:26 PM | Link to this

Should the deal go through, it will be intriguing to see how Teixeira responds (a.) to being thrust into the midst of a pennant race, and (b.) to being managed by Bobby Cox, the best in the business. It’s believed Teixeira didn’t like playing for Buck Showalter in Texas. Then again, nobody has ever liked playing for Buck Showalter.

By Mark

July 30, 2007 12:27 PM | Link to this

Anders, shutup

By Ray

July 30, 2007 12:31 PM | Link to this

As much as JS needs to think long term, this is the right move for right now. With Smoltz, Chipper, and even Bobby Cox approaching the end of their careers (not to even mention the likely departure of Andruw), the Braves need another star player. Yes, we, the Braves fan, might start thinking about what if in the future had we kept Saltalamacchia but I know I personally would rather see this core group of Braves that I have grown up with getting another legit shot at a title.

By DeAntonio

July 30, 2007 12:32 PM | Link to this

Panic??? the only Panic in Georgia is Widespread! yee haw!

Schuerholz is not panicing. Tex is a free agent after 2008. Schuerholz also knows that Andruw will like be gone by then as well. The Braves will need to fill that power hole (with a nice batting average as well I might add). Tex played at Ga Tech, so I imagine that he will be interested in signing a long term deal with the Braves. This is NOT a rental.

I do agree that we have a glaring pitching need, but hopefully Mahay will solidify that. I also see Reyes as another left arm that could be added to the pen. And who knows… Schuerholz could be dealing for another arm as well.

By Alex

July 30, 2007 12:33 PM | Link to this

The Braves are probably not done dealing yet…I’m sure John S. is in the market for a middle of the rotation starting pitcher, if the price is right!

The minor leaguers in the deal are Elvis Andrews, Matt Harrison and another pitching prospect. For all we know, they will be decent major leaguers someday and that’s about it. The Braves are stacked with infield prospects in the minors, don’t need to keep Elvis when you’ve got Brent and Yunel as the future 2B, SS combination.

By AJ GREEN WEARS #1

July 30, 2007 12:39 PM | Link to this

Mark,

It is a valid point as to wonder how he will perform since he has never had 1 post season at bat. I though do not understand how you compare a manager in Showalter who has nver been successful to Bobby? Also, I wonder how many of my fellow bloggers read in the SI article several weeks back that the team players under the age of 26 would like to play for? The Atlanta Braves. Guess how old Tex is, just turned 27. He will adjust just fine in BC clubhouse.

By Ron Roberts

July 30, 2007 12:44 PM | Link to this

Brilliant stroke by JS. Got two needs fulfilled in one trade.

Now we feature the finest lineup in the National League, on par, I’d say, with any of the bat-hefty AL lineups, too, which I think serves us well if/when we face somebody in the World Series.

We also address a gaping hole we’ve had in the ‘pen for awhile now - a lefty specialist with veterean presence.

Getting Mahay is going to make Tyler Yates, Pete Moylan and Rafael Soriano even better. For one, we’ve been using them sometimes in situations that didn’t suit them, so getting them back to being used strictly in situations that suit them is going to improve their results. For another, maybe now they all won’t be so over-used.

Tell ya what, with what we’ve seen from Moylan, having the other pieces we have makes our bullpen formidable, again. I’d make Moylan my 7th inning guy, with Soriano and Wickman to follow; but heck, Moylan might not be a bad closing option if Soriano and/or Wickman don’t get back into their groove. Then again, we were all thinking that about Yates a month ago, too, and ya see what happened with him.

Anyhow, I’m glad this deal’s done and out of the way. Now let’s get to playin’ some baseball!

By Alex

July 30, 2007 12:59 PM | Link to this

Still need to pick up a middle of the rotation 3 or 4 starter from a team out of contention.

Candidates?

Arroyo from the Reds? Haren from the A’s? One of the Giant’s pitchers they want to trade…but not Matt Morris!

By Jason J.

July 30, 2007 1:01 PM | Link to this

The future is NOW! The Braves finally did something BIG at the deadline. This is a great deal for the pennant run this year. Tex is a high average, HR Power, Gold Glove, RBI machine (everything that we were HOPING to get from Salty) right now! I wish Salty the best in Texas but at his best he would be like Tex is RIGHT NOW! I wash I could have seen Elvis play but we’re stocked with middle infielders (they basically gave away Tony Pena Jr. and he’s having a good year). I’m going to the game tomorrow hoping Tex will be in the line-up, you think he will be?

By Ron Roberts

July 30, 2007 1:02 PM | Link to this

The Fort Worth Telegram says the unnamed pitcher is supposed to be a 19-year old named Neftali Feliz.

By jason J.

July 30, 2007 1:04 PM | Link to this

The future is NOW! The Braves finally did something BIG at the deadline. This is a great deal for the pennant run this year. Tex is a high average, HR Power, Gold Glove, RBI machine (everything that we were HOPING to get from Salty) . I wish Salty the best in Texas but at his best he would be like Tex is RIGHT NOW! I wish I could have seen Elvis play but we’re stocked with middle infielders (they basically gave away Tony Pena Jr. and he’s having a good year). I’m going to the game tomorrow hoping Tex will be in the line-up, you think he will be?

By GE

July 30, 2007 1:10 PM | Link to this

Okay, its official. We have idiots running the organization. We just gave up three young players with talent that could be used to get us a good pitcher next year if not now. Tex is the big winner here because he is going to get some big bucks after completing his exile in Atlanta. I am sure glad that I am not a season ticket holder. I gave up on this when the Braves gave David Justice up. I cannot believe that the Braves could give up so much and not get any pitching. They must be sure that they can sign Tex. The question remains…WHY????????

By AJ GREEN WEARS #1

July 30, 2007 1:19 PM | Link to this

GE,

If you gave up on the Braves “back when they traded David Jusctice” why come on here and vent? That must mean for the past 10 years you have been really holding a long grudge! Get over it, get educated about Teixeira and let go of the past!

By Jason J.

July 30, 2007 1:25 PM | Link to this

You ask why? The Braves needed a bat to plug in this year AND next after Andruw leaves. The extra money saved from Andruw gets channeled back into Tex or a front of the rotation ACE next season. Either way, the Braves have set themselves up perfectly for years to come. P.S. - Calling Atlanta exile is just plain dumb! Arlington is exile, Tex played at Georgia Tech and knows the city! I bet he’s dying to get plugged into this line-up and play for Cox!

By Mitchell

July 30, 2007 1:28 PM | Link to this

The Braves win now—-the Rangers win later. This is a great deal for a contending team (such as the Braves) to make.

The Braves need starting pitching more? What kind of crazy-talk is that? They filled in their two most glaring weaknesses; the starting pitching is keeping the Braves in games day in and day out. With this improved lineup and bullpen, you’ll see that, Mark Bradley—-you’ll see.

By 1957 Braves Fan

July 30, 2007 1:30 PM | Link to this

Sure we gave up a lot. But you can’t worry about the players you trade away. We got some veteran help.

By Ron Roberts

July 30, 2007 1:32 PM | Link to this

GE… with John Smoltz as our “ace” in the rotation, you have to act as if the time is “now” not three-to-five years down the road.

We’re in a position now where we have two strong starting pitchers, two decent starting pitchers. If/when Jarrod Saltalamacchia and Elvis Andrus are in the bigs, contributing every day, who knows what we’ll have for starting pitchers.

Great move; shows the current squad that the time is now. I also think it’s a classy move to give Bobby Cox everything he needs to try and win 1 or 2 more titles before he retires.

But don’t get us started on whether or not Cox can make it happen. Playoffs are a crap shoot, but Cox is getting all he needs to make it happen, at least. In a mediocre National League, he has more than just about everybody else now, so anything less than a NL pennant would be a disappointment with this squad. Anything more (a World Series title) would be attainable, and at least something this team is capable of winning.

By JD

July 30, 2007 1:32 PM | Link to this

The Braves gave up a shortstop prosect since Yunel Escobar has proved he can play and is the SS of the future.

The Braves gave a catcher since they already have their catcher of the future.

The Braves gave 2 young pitching prospects but they have only made a mistake on their young pitchers twice before in trades.

A team must give quality to receive quality, simple as that.

By Will

July 30, 2007 1:37 PM | Link to this

Mitchell, Uhhhh you say the Braves needing starting pitching is crazy talk??? Did you see Jojo Reyes Friday, Chuck James cant got past 5 or 6 tops and buddy carlisle is serviceable at best. What a bunch of crap if you think the pitching is in good shape.

By NICE

July 30, 2007 1:42 PM | Link to this

Alex, you are an idiot. Why would Oakland trade Haren?! It’s a shame just anyone can come on here and blab about stuff they don’t know.

Great move by JS. Salty was expendable and we have a ton of infielders. Heck, Willie Harris could play 2nd base if need be.

Prediction: Braves aren’t done yet. Look for another starter, with possibly Edgar going somewhere. I just hope it isn’t Garland.

By Big Kev

July 30, 2007 1:50 PM | Link to this

Hamptons 17 mil will be off the books just in time to resign Tex. Francouer can move over to center and there are always corner outfielders floating around, especially ones that can hit 7. As much as I hate to say it, if you let renteria go and play escobar at short, you then have big money to go after another pitcher for next year. If you replace reyes with hampton or a free agent, carlisle can slide to 5 and james to 4, then the rotation is set. I would not be suprised to see one more trade, possibly involving lillibridge and davies for a #3 starter.

By GE

July 30, 2007 2:00 PM | Link to this

The Braves will not overtake the Mets or the Phillies with Tex. All Tex will do is help Andruw get better pitches to hit if he is boxed between Tex and Chipper. This means that he will be much richer when he leaves Atlanta after this season. That suits me just fine.

I still maintain that they will never get enough money to resign Tex even if he produces. If he does not produce, then they wiil not sign him anyway. Meanwhile, the young talent we gave the Rangers will raise their Texas stock to another level.

Baseball is a business. I just think that this business decision ranks up there with the worst. The Rangers will be laughing all the way to the bank.

Finally, AJ and Mitchell, if you think the Braves can compete with the Mets and the Phillies with the current pitching staff, then you must be smoking the funny cigarettes.

By Mitchell

July 30, 2007 2:03 PM | Link to this

Will, There are many, many teams who have much worse starting pitching than the Braves do. I’m not a moron…I’m not trying to say that we have the rebirth of Smoltz, Glavine, and Maddux here. What I am saying is, it seems as if the bullpen and offense are to blame for more of the Braves losses than the starting pitching. There are very few teams in the league that are where they need to be in terms of pitching. The braves are 9th in the bigs in ERA, even after the gross failures of Kyle Davies and Mark Redman. I, personally, feel like that is respectable. Combine that with what may now be the best lineup in the NL, and you have a contender. It’s a great move.

By rick zeller

July 30, 2007 2:17 PM | Link to this

Great deal for Texiera/Mahay. It shows that we’re going after the postseason hard! As far as Texiera’s money, Andrew & Wickman are gone after this year (20 mil off books), and Hampton & Renteria gone after next year (Another 20 mil or so), so the Braves could definitely re-sign Texiera! Thank you John Schuerholz…now go find us another SP! Love my Braves!!!!

By DeAntonio

July 30, 2007 2:23 PM | Link to this

Lineup… being that Tex is a switch-hitter, the pitching matchup shouldn’t matter. I prefer C Jones, Tex, A Jones, Frenchy to go 3-6. What is everyone else thinking? (I would say flip-flopping Andruw and Jeff, but don’t see Bobby agreeing.)

By GE

July 30, 2007 2:28 PM | Link to this

Mitchell,

Are you saying that the Braves have the best lineup in the NL? They are not better than the Mets even though they have held their own in face-to-face compeitition. Watch what happens when Beltran and DelGado begin to smoke. The Braves are 4 1/2 games back and these guys have not played up to their potential as yet. It will not be long before the fat lady sings.

You have been smoking those funny cigarettes.

By Dennis

July 30, 2007 2:42 PM | Link to this

As a Braves fan, I want to be excited about the trade, but I still don’t think we can win in the post season with Wickman as closer and Cox overusing everybody else. I wish we could have held out for C. J. Wilson instead of Mahay. I hope the deal wasn’t made from a position of desperation, but it sure looks that way considering what the Braves gave up. Mahay will not be an upgrade over McBride(I’d still like to hear the Braves’ rationale behind that deal. It’s not like one couldn’t find Ledesma’s track record.)

By Robert (Justice Is The Best)

July 30, 2007 2:43 PM | Link to this

GE, what great pitching do the Mets have? El Duque who can get hurt at any moment. That happens when you are 58 years old. Oliver Perez isn’t trustworthy. For every flawless start he has he will have two clunkers. This belief that Pedro will come back dominant as ever after a year absence is a bit misguided. I’ll give you John Maine is a good one. And, oh, what was I thinking? I forgot your ace in the hole. Jorge Sosa. That is funny. Good luck with Sosa. You really want him on the mound in the playoffs? Okay!

The Braves pitching isn’t that great but do you think the Mets big two of Glavine and El Duque is better than Hudson and Smoltz? C’mon, man!

By jim kinney

July 30, 2007 2:54 PM | Link to this

As good as Tex is, I think the Braves paid too much unless the new ownership is willing to pay what it takes to keep him around beyond 2008. All the young (inexpensive) talent that went away in this deal has mortgaged the future. Name any remaing prospects in the Braves farm system that have anywhere near the potential of the guys we just traded. I do believe that the braves may solve some of the pitching woes next year with the return of the arms on the disabled list…but how much longer will Smoltz be able to go at his current level? Without him, the Braves really need a quality starter. History has shown that it is very difficult to be a championship level team on offense alone.

By Robert Barron

July 30, 2007 3:14 PM | Link to this

Our wish is granted.

By Mitchell

July 30, 2007 3:37 PM | Link to this

GE, Do keep in mind that your beloved Beltran is about to head to the DL. That’s a massive loss for the Mets. Chase Utley broke his hand, massive loss for the Phillies. Injuries matter.

If you want to talk about who has the better lineup, don’t talk about the Mets, talk about the Phillies. The Phillies lead the NL in AVG and Runs (the braves are in third and sixth in those categories…the mets-sixth and ninth). But—-the Phillies have one of the worst pitching staffs in the league, which really inhibits their effectiveness. And plus, once Andruw starts smokin’…just kidding, you psychic you.

By Wafford Sautel

July 30, 2007 4:06 PM | Link to this

Can Mark Teixeira close? Can he get on base and then drive himself in? I don’t think so. This is one more example of mortgaging the future for one guy who can’t possibly fill all the holes on this team. As usual, you pontificate. As usual, you are full of you know what.

By Dirk

July 30, 2007 4:07 PM | Link to this

I’m actually a Rangers fan from Dallas, but I wanted to throw a bit in here. With Tex, you’re getting a heck of a ballplayer. Everyone talks about his hitting, which is pretty good, but a lot of people forget he’s a gold glover as well.

This article is 100% spot on as well. My team has become the team this article described. Ever since our stupid (let’s just be honest) signings in A-Rod and Chan Ho Park ($25 mil and $15 mil a year respectively) my team has instead turned to growing the team through the farm system and bringing in lower priced, washed up athletes. And where has that gotten us? We’ve finished no better than 3rd in our division over the past 7 years, and this looks like it’ll be the 8th year. While I live in larger market than you, my team spends like a lower market. Our record shows it.

Simply put, you can’t win without the best athletes. Occasionally you’ll get a few that come up through your system, but eventually you have to deal and spend a bit to complete a winning team.

Maybe this trade doesn’t get you a World Series, but you guys should be quite happy knowing your team is doing all they can to win.

By Danny

July 30, 2007 4:30 PM | Link to this

Braves are not done….i believe we be shocked again soon. I don’t see the braves not pickin up at least one more piece..maybe a starter or reliever. Plus just heard(on espn) Wheeler might still be availabe from TB…Anyone think something like davies for him?….anyway… so swallow up this trade..digest….cause i can almost taste the next one already.

By Bobby's Cox

July 30, 2007 6:02 PM | Link to this

Free at last, Free at last!

Thank the Lord…and JS.

Tex is coming to town! Now there’s only a few more roster moves that i’ve been crying out loud for since day 1.

Please release Woodward. Please.

Bring Pena back up. Another switch hitter in this lineup…WOW.

Trade davies and thorman in a package for another reliever…or a starter now that Smoltz’s shoulder’s acting up again.

Whoever was it that said pick up ensberg & drop woodward is genius…

When davies, thorman, & woodward are gone…we’ll finally be free at last…excuse me…in first.

By Tyler

July 30, 2007 6:10 PM | Link to this

Braves Discussing Arroyo With Reds

“According to Yahoo’s Tim Brown, the Braves are talking to the Reds about Bronson Arroyo. This wouldn’t be the first time they’ve shown interest in him.

Despite his decline this year, Arroyo would still probably be the best starter dealt this July. John Schuerholz would really be going for broke if he snagged Arroyo. I have to imagine Jo-Jo Reyes and/or Yunel Escobar would be involved, because they’re running out of prospects.”

PLEASE don’t trade Yunel, he’s a head’s up player who has killer instinct and a ton of talent. I’m okay with Reyes, even though that would give up our best 2 young pitchers (even though we’re getting an awesome pitcher in return). I would like to see Reyes and Thorman to the Reds for Arroyo.

By GE

July 30, 2007 6:17 PM | Link to this

Mitchell,

Good come back regarding the “smoke”. I hope that we do not give up any more young talent just to make the playoffs this year. I am content with re- building if the new ownership will support this. I just have a bad feeling about absentee landlords and the possibility of “flipping” the franchise.

By Bobby's Cox

July 30, 2007 6:30 PM | Link to this

i don’t think the braves are done either…we need pitching help…the move for Tex was more to secure their future…at only 27, Tex will fill the hole left when andruw departs…athough after this year it’ll be more like building a mound, cuz andruw hasn’t done much…Tex will be affordable when other players depart and when lightning strikes hampton who will then play for the braves for free after years of collecting cash for free…

But, inconsistency is this teams biggest flaw…when it hits it doesn’t pitch…when it hits and pitches, it doesn’t get the relief…look for JS to get another arm before the deadline or before the waiver deadline of 8/31…the lineup is even more solid and will be consistant now…there’s still an abundance of players that can be traded (thorman, davies, prado, lillibridge, etc)

as far as the near future is concerned, the braves can move harris to center next year & have KJ & diaz platton in left, or keep one on the pine…

Anyway you look at it…the braves still have a lot more options available to them…remember we are in the NL…we can get to the World Series on offense alone & hope for a crapshoot like last year when the cards took it…what a joke that was detroit.

And for all of you Bobby haters…Bobby’s been a great post season manager the last few trips to October, outmanaging his opponents several times…he just didn’t have the weapons.

By Andrew

July 30, 2007 6:48 PM | Link to this

As a die hard Rangers fan I couldn’t be happier that you are landing Tex. I am extremely happy with the players that we got in return, but moreso just to get rid of Tex. The general consensus here is that he is a loser. His #’s away from our home “hitter friendly” ballpark are less than impressive. Only time will tell whether or not this deal was good or bad for both teams, but I am just thrilled to have Tex go elsewhere. The guy who said that he is injury prone is an idiot who apparently assumes that a recent trip to the DL gives someone that label. I understand why each GM did this, and if I were a Braves fan I would probably support this. These propects could just as easily wash out as they will make it. Having said that, I think you’ll be surprised at what a loser Tex is. He has a bad attitude, is very into himself, and doesn’t understand how to play team/winning baseball. You’ll all see what I mean soon enough.

By Justin

July 30, 2007 7:25 PM | Link to this

I heard the Braves got Dotel from the Royals for Kyle Davies. Does anybody know if that is true?

By Chasman

July 30, 2007 10:23 PM | Link to this

First solid right corner man since the Crime dog…Gold gloves, switch-hitter, stability, and youth…Salty is a great prospect, but he is a catcher…and the Bravos represented that position in the mid-season classic (only one Brave??? Sorry Edgar)…bottom line first big mid-season move in as long as I can remember. Let’s go get Dotel and bring home the east once again.

By Double Deuce

July 30, 2007 10:55 PM | Link to this

++Ron Roberts++

You’re right on with your 12:44 post. As much as we needed Tex and his bat, another veteran arm in the bullpen will have as much impact on this team as Tex will. It will allow the bullpen to get some much needed rest, and if they return to pre all star break form the Bravos will be in the thick of it.

I also don’t believe JS is finished. He is too good a GM and the Braves have pieces to be moved, and I think we’ll see another pitcher before tomorrow’s deadline.