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By Dumbing Down

July 19, 2007 10:49 AM | Link to this

“Coach Killer”…. Maybe

“Dog Killer”….. Probably

“Franchise Killer”…. Absolutely

By Charles Smith

July 19, 2007 10:58 AM | Link to this

Bradley how can you compare the two…come on sir! You never come up with any original ideas for columns… At least Shultz (sometimes) and Moore (often) can come up with some thought provoking articles. Some of which I don’t agree with, but at least I can say…hmmm I see their angle; but YOU never come up with anything original. What you do is wait for it (subject matter) to be the popular topic across the board, then you write what all the talk shows have said all day. You wait for other writers to write about it before you state the obvious. Stop being such a bland writer and think outside the paradigm. Tony Martin…are you kidding me?!?!? A good analogy would be OJ or even Pete Rose… Stop standing on the fence writing cute articles and get in the trenches like Mike Lupica does!

By DMAC

July 19, 2007 11:05 AM | Link to this

He will be forever linked to Dog Fighting. But what will really hurt him is what the publice view of the inhumane treatment of those dogs, especially the one electrocuted. Although he may not have pulled the charge. But I don’t think he will be convicted of that. I think he will be convicted for Tax evasion, because of the gambling on the fights. So PETA and those other organizations are going to be VERY upset.

By Otis

July 19, 2007 11:06 AM | Link to this

Excellent article Mark! I dont know what Charles is smoking.

By Father of Five

July 19, 2007 11:10 AM | Link to this

We know enough. Doesn’t matter if he beats the rap (OJ fooled the first jury, but the 2nd jury knew what everyone else knew). That’s your best comparator. Do you think Juice would have been cheered for scoring a touchdown? Sadly, I’m afraid some would. I never would, and neither will my sons. Memories do fade (especially for relativists) — but if you believe there is a wrong and right, then you’re purposeful about doing what’s right. For my family, that means never supporting an organization that doesn’t share those values. Let him play for the Raiders.

By Maddy

July 19, 2007 11:15 AM | Link to this

MIKE VICK IS THE ONLY REASON THE WORLD KNOWS ABOUT A TEAM CALLED THE ATLANTA FALCONS. I HOPE YOU REMEMBER THE MANY YEARS BEFORE VICK CAME TO THE FALCONS, THAT ATLANTA GAMES NEVER MADE IT ON TV. HE IS INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GULITY. HE IS STILL SUPERMAN, AND HE IS THE REASON WHY OTHER TEAM RESPECT THE FALCONS. WITHOUT HIM FALCONS ARE NOTHING. HE IS THE ATLANT FALCONS. MAY GOD HELP HIM AND TAKE AWAY HIS TROUBLE

By jd

July 19, 2007 11:18 AM | Link to this

I think dog fighting is a prodominently black activity. The afro leaders should speak up and acknowledge that africans are the ones who are fighting dogs. Vick is a product of his environment. In his mind, he has done nothing wrong.

By Mr. Gilley

July 19, 2007 11:18 AM | Link to this

You make a good point. Ray Lewis got murder charges, something you can get the death penalty for.(I DO NOT SUPPORT THE DEATH PENALTY) But he gets off and no one questions him and trashes him. But they trash T.O. more than him, someone who is simply arrogant and they trash Vick, someone who got caught up with the wrong group of associates. My thing is, the media and white america trashes the person or persona that person carries. Ray Lewis carries himself differently off the field unlike T.O. and Vick. Because they do not conform to the so called norms of being Politically Correct or how they dress and carry themselves, people see that as thuggish different and ultimately guilty. I call it indirect racism. People will disagree but sometimes people do not know when they are being racist.. They have there blinders up and diss everything that is not like them or normal according to their standards. The media also plays a big role in how we shape stories and frame them to develops ones perception. I just say don’t be ignorant about it and judgemental. Be objective and WAIT until the trial begins before formulating an opinion. If he is guilty, he SHALL pay the time but until then, Michael Vick is my QB and I got his back!!! Innocent until PROVEN GUILTY IN THE COURT OF LAW!!

By Doc Hill

July 19, 2007 11:19 AM | Link to this

As a fan of the ATLANTA FALCONS football team, I could care less about what this guy does when he is off of the field. When/if the Feds find him guilty, then the they/NFL will handle appropriately. If that happens, I start rooting for Harrington just like I did Vick. Until then, I’m only concerned about how Vick hits Alge on the deep turn in, audibles at the line of scrimmage, and looks off the safety so that Roddy can get open for the deep post.

The issue is this: Mike Vick is not my hero…never was. I have other people (that I actually know) who I turn to for moral aptitude. He is simply a football player that I forget about around 9pm on Sundays.

I look forward to seeing Vick out there leading the team, doing his job until otherwise is determined.

By Jake Benson

July 19, 2007 11:21 AM | Link to this

I just think its outrageous that race would be brought into the Michael Vick situation. There is an idictment against him based on what appears to be solid evidence. If he is exonerated fine, but if he is found guilty, he richly deserves all the comtempt that’s possible to be heaped upon him.

Shame on anyone who chooses to ignore what appears to be solid evidence and cries racism. Vick will stand or fall based on his actions, not his skin color. It would be nice to see just once everyone in agreement that we all are responsible for our actions.

By tom johnson

July 19, 2007 11:22 AM | Link to this

It is time to draw the line. Criminals are criminals - not heroes!

By Jim

July 19, 2007 11:23 AM | Link to this

Ask yourself this Mr. Bradley - How many people cry at the movies when a person is killed or hurt? Then ask how many cry when an animal is hurt or killed? Not a dry eye in the place when its an animal. Your analogy with the players you mentioned is farcical. Vick will never get a second act from the fans - hurting, maiming, and killing animals in this cruel way will prove unforgivable.

By dr. elsbree

July 19, 2007 11:25 AM | Link to this

FOR ANYONE WHO HAS EVER OWNED A PET…… PLEASE HELP

[http://www.hsus.org/]

Go to the “Humane Society’s Homepage” to send the NFL commissioner a special note regarding this horrific crime.

Help the HSUS hunt down the pieces of human garbage who participate in this senseless act.

As humans, it is our responsibility to protect and care for animals…….

By Falcon Chris

July 19, 2007 11:26 AM | Link to this

Our family ,uninterupted,has had season tickets since 1967. Yes,40 years. Wow,this 40th year is going to be one wierd wierd season. Try to hang in there Petrino !!

By Mike

July 19, 2007 11:27 AM | Link to this

Thanks for the racist comment, JD. You have been an excellent addition to this blog. I wish everyone could see that Africans are to blame for all of the world’s problems. If we kill them all, then the world will be wonderful again. Right?

By noVick

July 19, 2007 11:27 AM | Link to this

Been a Falcon fan since Bartkowski, but haven’t even watched games since Vick stated that he didn’t see any reason to return from his knee injury.

Vick could have used the experience in seasons to come. Can’t see any reason to pull for him in the future!

By Dave of Florida

July 19, 2007 11:27 AM | Link to this

Hey, Father of Five - What do you have against the Raiders? That have had it tough - how about leaving them out of this.

By inou

July 19, 2007 11:29 AM | Link to this

Michael Vick is the new OJ

By Sean

July 19, 2007 11:30 AM | Link to this

It is very unfortunate the way the media just convicts someone before a trial even takes place. I believe the media shapes the way we view a person. It seems to me its been a Mike Vick wich hunt for the last 3 years.

Mr. Blank can get rid of Mike Vick if he wants to and watch another team with some guys that can catch the ball win at least 11 games.

He will also watch the attendence at the dome drop drastically. Yeah without Vick the Dome will be just like Phillips half empty watching a boring bland team.

Lets wait and see what happens. Hopefully Mike learns a true life lesson from all of this. Not just the company he keeps but also the city he plays for!

By Dan

July 19, 2007 11:31 AM | Link to this

Mr Gilly, You have a very telling comment in your post, and I believe it is well intentioned, but never the less it is a prime example, of why nobody can win an argument about race. “Sometimes people do not know when they are being racist” what a scary scary comment. Unfortunately it happens to be politically correct. But in actuality it is quite frankly impossible. Racism is the act (not a result) of making a decision solely based on an individuals race. Whether or not someone “feels” discriminated against is 100% irrelevant, or should be. Unfortunately in the Vick case the racism is completely reversed. Whether he is convicted or not, there is no way a reasonble person can deduce that he did not know what was going on there.

By NASDAQ

July 19, 2007 11:31 AM | Link to this

I don’t consider Vick a criminal because he hasn’t been convicted of anything. He is a QB in the NFL and that is all I expect him to be. He dosen’t have to be Mr. Clean cut gentleman to win games so I don’t expect him to. Grow up and get a life if you are so hurt by this case.

By inou

July 19, 2007 11:32 AM | Link to this

Mr. Gilley, your attitude that no black can do anything wrong is what’s wrong with race ralations.

By Leon Moore

July 19, 2007 11:32 AM | Link to this

Just remember when you sit down to your steak, chicken or pork meal somebody slaughtered that animal for your enjoyment. Vick will pay a price because we have this fixation with our pets. Ask the cow chicken or hog if they approved of being slaughtered. Leon moore

By Dave of Florida

July 19, 2007 11:35 AM | Link to this

JD is an idiot - A lot of rednecks not blacks around here (Florida) are into the dog fighting thing.

By Robert

July 19, 2007 11:37 AM | Link to this

He’s an embarrassment. That said, there will be no shortage of zealots who will sink into denial at game time. We have a nearly infinite capacity to exhibit serious amnesia regarding the past behavior of our “warriors” come Saturdays whether in Athens, Knoxville, Auburn, etc. or on Sundays in the likes of Atlanta, Baltimore,…..

It’s just who we are.

By Stephen

July 19, 2007 11:38 AM | Link to this

“AND HE IS THE REASON WHY OTHER TEAMS RESPECT THE FALCONS”

Maddy—

As a fan of “another team,” you couldn’t be more off base with this comment. I think “respect” is the absolute last word I would use to character Vick.

As an opposing fan, I RESPECT somebody like Warrick Dunn. I hate him in a competitive light on the field, but I respect who he is and what he stands for.

Let me guess, you are probably one of those people who “respects” the Raiders. If you want to be looked at in their light, I think you have that.

By Rocco

July 19, 2007 11:39 AM | Link to this

Mike Vick was given a gift in his athletic ability. He did the work and earned his way out of a culture and environment. He went to college and got a great job with a big paycheck. He was out. But what did he do? He went back to the culture. He never left the neighborhood. The only difference is that he has money and lots of it. Why this culture? Why pitting animals against each other and then killing them. What is it that could possibly make this worth or enjoyable enough to throw away everything he worked so hard for? It is a shame. It cannot be forgiven. He has really screwed up now. I just hope that he saved his money. He is going to need it. I cannot cheer the Falcons on if he is their QB. They should have suspended him until this mess is resolved. I cannot shop at Home Depot if this is supported by Mr. Blank. Dog fighting is the lowest - most vile thing there is. I can only hope Mr. Vick has enough since to not whine or make excuses or play the race card. My goodness - how many lotteries can you win in this life?

By Mike

July 19, 2007 11:39 AM | Link to this

Slow down. I love dogs too, but let’s not compare Vick to OJ. OJ killed two people. Vick hasn’t killed anyone. So far, the feds haven’t presented their evidence yet. We should all hold off on convicting the man. I will admit that it doesn’t look good for Vick at all.

By Ookie

July 19, 2007 11:39 AM | Link to this

who seriously cares about this guys sport celebrity image and if its tarnished? what the hell is wrong with you people where youre more concerned about how you deify athletes and everyone else in major media formats to even question whether “if he wins a super bowl will we forget about this”?

that sort of reasoning is just as absurd as vick’s.

people here are talking like football is reality instead of a massive laugh at the immature psyche’s of fans who say, “i could care less what he does off the field” as long as he gets fantasy stats and fills my wretched void of a life with some fun on sunday. dont forget the beer to fill the void-gut too.

theres something seriously disturbing with this overall culture when people can gloss over severe, methodically violent domination of a species that has lived symbiotically with certain human cultures (not not all) for thousands of years.

its better to forget everything though:embrace the madness.

By wildbillhiltner

July 19, 2007 11:40 AM | Link to this

Bradley, let me axes you a question - how come no one was focus on the fact that dogfighting is an illegal enterprise, but, moreover, it is an illegal enterprise centered upon illegal gambling - how can the NFL allow Vic to get on the field in light of his consorting with illegal gamblers - maybe he is deeply indebted to someone, or maybe his mother is, or maybe Mahcus be indebted and the gamblers can turn the screws on Vick - they jammed up Joe Willie just because he was a partial owner of a place where unsavory characters cavorted - they banned Petey for gambling - why is no one concerned about this full blood and his links to illegal gambling and the ramifications thereof. He is just too dirty to setp on the field.

By jthomas

July 19, 2007 11:40 AM | Link to this

The difference between Kobe, Ray Lewis and Vick is that the former two are and were the best at what they do, while Vick is possible they most overated player in the NFL.

By Roswell Ed

July 19, 2007 11:42 AM | Link to this

Mark- you are using bad examples.

Kobe Bryant- he said she said.

Ray Lewis- accessory to a murder that started with a fight between willing participants. Two of whom were in way over their heads.

I’m not making excuses for either one of these guys but repairing their images was a lot easier than it will be for Vick.

Vick will be forever known as someone who willingly watched living animals tear each other a part just for the sport of it- allegedly. What a disturbing fetish.

Is this that far removed from a snuff flick? Allegedly he took part in acts that were so inhumane ie bludgeoning to death and the electrocution of animals that weren’t ferocious enough to be teamed up against other animals in a 1fight to the death.

Mark this ain’t Martha Stewert. This is more OJ-Robert Blake. This is a cold blooded killer. Granted it is just dogs, but he is a cold blooded killer none the less.

By Dave of Florida

July 19, 2007 11:43 AM | Link to this

Killing for food is completely different than needlessly torturing and killing dogs for sport and entertainment Leon

By Mike

July 19, 2007 11:44 AM | Link to this

Inou, that isn’t what Mr. Gilley stated. He was talking about making snap judgements about people based on appearance. He didn’t say that no black person can do wrong. He’s concerned about the rush to convict Vick before the trial has begun. Everyone has been guilty of that before. It doesn’t matter if you’re white or black.

By Bushwacker

July 19, 2007 11:44 AM | Link to this

I am here to tell you if he’s acquitted and if he leads the team to the super bowl, I WILL NOT BE WATCHING. but not because of the “dog crap”.

I will not be watching for the same reason we don’t have to worry about him leading us to the SUPER BOWL.

HE AIN’T SMART ENOUGH OR GOOD ENOUGH.

He got by on his athletic ability at first, now defenses have figured him out, HE JUST AIN’T THAT GOOD!!!

AGAIN RICH MCKAY SHOULD BE FIRED FOR TRADING MATT SCHAUB

By BeamerBall

July 19, 2007 11:45 AM | Link to this

You can put lipstick on a Hokie and call him Betty, but at the end of the day, he’s still a scumbag Hokie- and always will be. End of Story.

Hey Nasdaq, grow up and get a moral compass. Juries decide judicial guilt and innocence. It’s up to individuals to decide right and wrong for themselves. Bad Newz Kennels is wrong and I’m a Panthers fan until Ron Mexico is no longer a Falcon.

By gp

July 19, 2007 11:48 AM | Link to this

The scale his operation and the details of how it was run paint Vick as a Neanderthal bottom-feeder. The idea that he will be cheered full- throated if he wins a few games is as depressing as being a Falcon fan for the last 40 years. When Blank bought the team and Vick took them to the playoffs it seemed like they’d turn the corner and the sun would finally shine on this underachieving franchise. A few years later, Blank is on his 3rd coach and the biggest star in franchise history turns out to be such a deplorable, clueless thug that only the most mercenary of Falcon fans can ever be excited about Vick leading them to any future success.

Might as well rid the team of Vick and start over again. At least Falcon fans can relate to that.

By Bushwacker

July 19, 2007 11:49 AM | Link to this

Maddy you are an idiot, the falcons have been to the super bowl and it was without vick, hello!!!! We can win without the disgusting human being.

I’d like to soak him waith water and flipped the switch and watch fry!!

By a monti

July 19, 2007 11:50 AM | Link to this

Blank should step up and suspend Vick until further notice.

To allow Vick to play this year is going to be a tremendous circus atmosphere. The media will hound him, Vick will makes statements he shouldnt make, Fans in every stadium will boo him, all his sponsors will drop him, every injury will be multiplied as will every loss by the Falcons.

Put Shockley in there an be done with it.

By chc

July 19, 2007 11:51 AM | Link to this

Mark, you are right on. Also, Vick has not been convicted of anything yet. Even so, if he plays well and the Falcons suceed people will forget about this and cheer him on.

By Mike

July 19, 2007 11:52 AM | Link to this

Bushwacker, I suppose when Joey Harrington is forced to play, you’ll finally see that Vick isn’t the problem. Your garbage receivers and even worse pass blocking offensive line is partly to blame. However, that’s when you’ll finally complain about the right thing. You’ll be ecstatic when a white guy is QB. I can already tell.

By A Former Falcons Fan

July 19, 2007 11:52 AM | Link to this

I am not going to a game as long as #7 is around. He is not criminally guilty until proven in court. Morally, I know right from wrong, and he is as wrong as anyone can be.

Dump the thug, and I will spend money on the Falcons, keep him, and I will not spend a penny on the Falcons and become a Jags fan instead.

Sign Duante Culpepper!

By Roswell Ed

July 19, 2007 11:52 AM | Link to this

Leon take your tree hugging hippie-PETA nonsense somewhere else.

If my steak had to fight to the death to decide which cow was slaughtered then there would be an issue.

By Mark Bradley

July 19, 2007 11:53 AM | Link to this

I agree. The gambling component of this could — and should — trouble the NFL greatly.

By Bushwacker

July 19, 2007 11:53 AM | Link to this

Yes he is damaged beyond reapir. People don’t care that black man raped a white woman, or that ray lewis’s buddiers murederd 2 men,

but people do care about dogs!!!!

Oh yes, as far as Tony Martin is concerned, I believe the FALCONS released him after his minor incident!

VICK IS DONE!

By NASDAQ

July 19, 2007 11:53 AM | Link to this

How can people say that Vick is the lowest of lowlifes for being indicted for dogfighting. WHAT DO YOU CONSIDER PEOPLE WHO MURDER THEIR WIFE AND CHILD IN A ROID RAGE. WHY THEY MUST BE ABOVE VICK BECAUSE HE WAS INDICTED FOR FIGHTING DOGS You people are so agenda driven its funny.

By Brownthrasher

July 19, 2007 11:53 AM | Link to this

Mark, you forgot Jamal Lewis. Didn’t he serve time? And where is he now, still playing football. This whole case is a joke and if Mike Vick’s name was not linked to it, it would be a little blurb in this piece of trash we call an newspaper. Mike should be given the same courtesies that you and I would want if faced with any kind of indictment. Let’s play football. Yet, Genarlow Wilson is still sitting in jail for having consensual sex.

By kgod999

July 19, 2007 11:53 AM | Link to this

i also remember the falcons pre-vick. local tv blackouts, empty georgia dome, more noise being made by the away team fans at the dome than the home team fans, no national presence on tv, espn??? nothing about the falcons other than the score of the game. vick is wrong if he fought dogs, but my problem stems farther than that. my problem is with atlanta fans (who mainly are not from atlanta), always hating on local superstars. yall did it with jeff george, did it with brett favre, dion, dominique, david justice. atlanta is known by fans in other cities as hating on its own athletes. dominique got more love on the road than at home. if this happened in any other city, the fans would hope vick was innocent and hope he can play. yall HOPE hes guilty, WANT him to be guilty. i remember all the garbage about trade him and keep shaub. yall did that with doug johnson also. this is not black and white, this is about a fan base that has long been seen as what it is, ignorant and stupid. go back to chicago, new york,especially new york, you cant go nowhere in atlanta without somebody from new york letting you know they from new york. stop hating on atlanta because we have trees,green grass, parks, air you can almost breath before yall came. its not vicks fault atlanta traded for him to try to get yall to be home town rooters for a change. stop wanting your superstars to fail. thats the problem and the difference between atlanta and other cities. the one exception is yall let chipper jones get away with anything.

By Morris

July 19, 2007 11:55 AM | Link to this

idiot savant - a mentally defective person with an exceptional skill or talent in a special field, such as a highly developed ability to play music or to solve complex mathematical problems mentally at great speed.

Maybe this accounts for Michael Vick’s on the field abilities because otherwise his off the field accomplishments - even if he is acquitted for this particular one - pretty much add up to him being a clueless dumb a$$.

Either way, nothing like an “overcoming adversity” story to get the fans on your side. Not to mention most of them are clueless dumb a*******es as well.

By Dave of Florida

July 19, 2007 11:56 AM | Link to this

A lot of people are saying that you are innocent until proven guilty. Well that is not exactly true. You are presumed innocent until proven guilty – However in the Federal Courts with Federal Prosecutors and Federal investigators your chances are less than 2% of not being found guilty. Particularly in high profile cases such as this one where the government doesn’t want to expose itself to a non-winning case it is even more unlikely that he will be found innocent. So all you people that are still presuming him innocent need to wake up and smell the prison sentence. Where there is smoke there is generally fire

By Mike

July 19, 2007 11:56 AM | Link to this

BeamerBall, dogfighting is wrong. I don’t believe Nasdaq stated that dogfighting is okay. It hasn’t been proven that Vick is guilty. You’re rushing to judge him and you may be wrong. It’s wrong for you to condemn someone who may be innocent. That doesn’t make you look too good.

By trock

July 19, 2007 11:58 AM | Link to this

Who cares if Mike Vick wants to dog fight…americans have such a double standard when it comes to animals…remember they are animal…they have no rights but to do whatever the hell we tell thme to do…they are not human…if Mike Vick and his friends want to execute or whatever methods they used on the dogs its not problem…as long as it wasn;t your dog then, let it go..its no difference than methods used for racing the hell out of a horse….Deer Hunting or dog racing….its all for entertainment and if dog fighting is how he gets off then why not….

America get it right and stop picking and choosing which animals can be used for entertainment.

TROCK

By ndadome

July 19, 2007 11:58 AM | Link to this

I am a season ticket holder, have been for a long time. I pull for the team, not individuals. After all, it is a team sport. So if Vick is at QB, I’ll still cheer when the team wins, gripe when they lose, just like everyone else. And it would be pointless for me to threaten to cancel my tickets, because I love the team and have been a fan for as long as they’ve been here. I’ll plop down the money necessary to reup next year, and the year after that. However, I’m not happy with MV or the organization right now. Will I ever forgive Vick for this episode? No. Does that matter in the overall scheme of things? Probably not. But here’s how I feel: betrayed. Pure and simple. Michael Vick has betrayed the fans of Atlanta and the NFL. My preference would be to send him on his way to embarrass another team and city. I don’t care if he wins a Super Bowl, the Nobel Peace Prize, or the Man of the Year. I believe he was a criminal when the team drafted him, and I believe he still is. If Mr. Blank won’t do the right thing, I can only hope that the commissioner will.

By villen

July 19, 2007 11:58 AM | Link to this

JD , you piece of KAKA . go look up who historically has been caught dog fighting and who historically has had the biggest bets. its rural white men from all over, some of your sheriffs and mayors and his church folk , u retarded bastard , blameing all dog fighting on blacks, you smuck . i would smack the hell out of you.

By NASDAQ

July 19, 2007 12:00 PM | Link to this

Hey BeamerBall You need to grow up. The indictment is based off of what other people who participated in dogfights have said. Until he is convicted in a court of law, the man is innocent. If you wanna be a panthers fan because of one man, you were never a real falcons fan to begin with. Now go away you little pansy.

By Native Atlantan

July 19, 2007 12:00 PM | Link to this

A couple of things this country never seems to forgive or forget:

Child abuse & cruelty to animals

MV’s name will always be associated with the latter regrdless of what any court finds.

How do you own a home, visit that home and not know “something” is going on?

Condoning this activity is just as bad as sanctioning it.

By willdave

July 19, 2007 12:01 PM | Link to this

Mark, I agree that some offenses and questionable behavior are forgivable. However, dogfighting is one of the most evil, vicious, sadistic, inhumane endeavors on the face of this Earth. Anyone who engages in this thoroughly disgusting activity for profit or entertainment is nothing more than a perverse, abnormal, immoral sadist who is not worthy of the respect, admiration, or support of decent society. If Vick is guilty of the very disturbing charges for which he has been indicted—and all reasonable indications are that he is—he absolutely should be shunned by every person who has a conscience.

If, hypothetically speaking, Vick can somehow recover from this disgrace, return to play effectively for the Falcons, and take us to the Super Bowl (yeah, right!), I would of course be happy for my beloved home team. However, I would still consider him to be nothing more than pond scum for his abhorrent participation in dogfighting.

By Mike

July 19, 2007 12:01 PM | Link to this

Bushwacker, what’s your animosity towards black men? Whenever a charge is brought against one, you’re ready to sentence them. You might need to seek therapy.

By df

July 19, 2007 12:07 PM | Link to this

Dogfighting is not a predominately Black activity, Blacks aren’t led by any so-called leader and we’re not African. You ignorant POS.

By inou

July 19, 2007 12:09 PM | Link to this

He lost me when he flicked the bird at us. He’s paid well. He owes us more. And Mike, Mr. Gilley is the first to bring up race. That’s what causes racism.

By Brownthrasher

July 19, 2007 12:09 PM | Link to this

Davon T. Boddie, 27 the cousin of Michael Vick will go before a Hampton grand jury August 6 on the drug charges that led to evidence of dogfighting at the Vick’s Surry County home. Hmmmmm, he wasn’t named inthe indictment so is it safe to assume that he is one of the 4 to have something on Vick? Maybe he’s just mad because he got e-vick-ted from the house and now wants to turn on his cuz.

By Whit

July 19, 2007 12:09 PM | Link to this

While I don’t condone Mr. Vick’s alleged affiliation with dog fighting, I do think the more violent nature of this generation has contributed to some of the brut we witness these days. Its everywhere in the media—TV commercials, video games, and even the profession Mr. Vick is paid so well to play. Violence has become glorified in American society..no matter the race. Mr. Bradley, I agree with Charles Smith, your comparisons did not strengthen your argument. To some of bloggers..I do not believe race is the predominate theme in this matter. I believe intolerance for any crime and the insensitive actions to helpless animals are the real issues. Admittedly, the finders of the illegal activity probably got excited with the thought of “nailing” a celebrity for anything. But, witch hunt…I don’t accept that. I agree with you, Mr. Bradley, whether convicted or not, paying fans will forget (and forgive).

By Read-N-Weep

July 19, 2007 12:10 PM | Link to this

For all of you Vick apologists and race card playas:

Don Banks, cnnsi.com:

One source close to Vick, who I talked to this spring for the story I wrote about the Falcons quarterback’s recent slide from grace in Atlanta, gave me a rather blunt rationale for Vick’s involvement in dog fighting:

“He’s not very bright at all,” the source said of Vick. “And that’s a big part of his problems. He’s a very unintelligent person and he makes poor decisions because of it. It’s not a white or black thing. Paris Hilton is an idiot, too. Mike Tyson was totally dumb, but for a long time his trainer kept him protected from his worst mistakes. You have to have someone around you who can protect you from yourself at times.”

Another league source I talked to had a slightly different take. He too watched Vick up close for years and came to this conclusion:

“I’ve seen what he’s truly about, and now, the rest of the world sees what he’s truly about,” the source said. “He’s not dumb, and he’s not a bad guy. He’s just selfish. He’s an extremely selfish human being. He doesn’t care about his team or his teammates. He says he does, but he doesn’t.”

It’s not 100% by race

By Player Hater

July 19, 2007 12:11 PM | Link to this

I’m glad Mike is fast, he’ll need that in prison.

By Knon

July 19, 2007 12:12 PM | Link to this

The racism rampant in this issue is apparent. How are chaining a dog, torturing it, depriving it of food and free will, and then watching it fight to the death with its brothers any different then how African-Americans have been treated for the last 400 years by the Whites in this country? It continues with the lynching of Michael Vick. The red-neck crackers won’t be satisfied till he is chained and groveling at their feet. History repeats but it won’t be the children of slaves groveling this time.

By Mike

July 19, 2007 12:13 PM | Link to this

Dogfighting is wrong! What is done to the dogs is morally wrong! This isn’t like boxing or wrestling. Boxers and wrestlers choose to get into the ring and compete. Dogs have no choice. They are forced into action. You can say the same thing about horse racing. We supposedly live in a civilized society. I guess that just isn’t the case.

By Nique

July 19, 2007 12:15 PM | Link to this

Can I please remind everyone of Kobe Bryant just a few years back ppl were ready to crucify him like they are Vick & there was mountains of evidence against him for his rape case against a HUMAN BEING! Popular culture in LA & in the world was ready to crucify him just like ATL IS READY TO CRICIFY VICK! But when they waited to see what turned up in the court case it turned out that the DA & fed’s didn’t have as accurate & as much evidence as it first appeared! But ppl in La were calling him a disgrace to the city, the NBA, the Lakers organization, & as a person just as ATL is calling Mike right now, but look at Kobe a few years later, he’s back to being the face of the franchise, the city’s in love with him & there are no more fans crying to cut, trade, or release him like they were when we was first indicted, in fact he’s back to being the untouchable untradable cornerstone of the organization, I mean the ppl & the organization are some in love with him again that he asked for a trade & they refuse to part with him! But when the allegations 1st came down, who would have thought Kobe would have rebounded from what seemed to be a then obvious cut & dry rape case. I mean hell, Kobe is even representing the country now a few years later on team USA! Is Kobe a role model, no was he still in the wrong & did he still act in a way that was negatively representing the league he was affiliated with by cheating on his wife & committing duly, yes! Is mike a role model, no, but ppl can’t hold every person who is in the lime light as a role model, everyone doesn’t desire to be one & everyone isn’t cut out to be one. Ppl have many different views, values, & principles in life, & honestly it’s not these athletes job to be role models for our children, it is our job, the children’s parents to do it. Atl needs to learn a lesson from LA & not convict Vick before the court does, what do you have to lose by letting it all play out in court? If he guilty, ok then punish him, but if not we could regret it for a long time to come & it was be a violation of all that this country was founded on & stands for! & from a sport perspective, which one of ya’ll wouldn’t take Kobe Bryant on there team now? Think about it!

By Dave of Florida

July 19, 2007 12:15 PM | Link to this

I doubt that Roger Goodell will grow the pair he needs to do the right thing and suspend Vick from the NFL for life – NOW! He has already caused the NFL and Atlanta Falcons irreparable damage. So it falls on Arthur Blank to do the right thing for his club and cut Michael now before it gets dragged into the season and disrupts the team. But that would take him admitting he was wrong about signing Vick. Well guess what Arthur, you were wrong. Better to admit it now and move on. You have the chance to sign someone who has worked had to rehabilitate his knee, is in prime form and could be a positive and inspirational influence to your team and city, Daunte Culpepper. Sign him Mr. Blank and move on with your franchise now before it gets even uglier.

By BMListon

July 19, 2007 12:16 PM | Link to this

Michael Vick made a mistake Move on and get over it. What about rehabilitation? Re-educate someone on past mistakes. make the man volunteer at a humane society, penalize him and let him keep his lively hood because that is his talent. bump the Sponsors, we are promoting their wear which promotoes urban wear that you criticize Vick for wearing. Here we go to “Boy Go! Boy Go!” Then when that Good Old Boy ain’t performing to your expectations and so forth he is sold and castrated. Those are my sentiments! Enron was Big! Racism is Bigger! Poverty and IRAQ is greater! The God I know is a forgiving God and through Jesus Christ he saw something bigger in all mankind. Self righteous people always talk good game, let your time come and see if you want the same non forgiving spirit Satan has. Heck, last I checked VIA THE AJC, wasn’t Home Depot experiencing issues yet we move on they restructure, pay CEOs millions and the same people that were loving Vick are able to apologize and keep it moving. Hypocrites all of you and shame on you AJC interviewing Vick’s hometown folks and saying …”grew up in a poor neighborhood.” Do you guys mention the trailers some of you come from politicians who has pet projects that they cater to, yet we keep these same folks in office. Get a life and FALCON Forces that be, like my Dad says, “what goes on in this house stays in this house”. He did not chastise us in the streets or denounce us for what ever reasons. Handle your business in-house and let this be ALLEGED before you denounce him or whatever his punishment. Everyone has good in them, some need more development than others. Do you have mandatory professional/personal development when paying out this big money on a long-term to these poor sports players? When you got these players from the poor neighborhoods do you factor in “are they ready for your self righteous agendas or are they ready for success over night or understand completely what is entailed?” Remember all ain’t black and white, some work for stuff while others took or were raised with it. The rich ain’t got love for no one but money so your cash cow has flaws get another one you say? Trust everyone has a day by a higher being and you too will be judged by your closet sins. Honestly, Do you deserve a second chance or third? We are all human an err.

By Gene

July 19, 2007 12:17 PM | Link to this

The Falcons are a bad but amusing soap opera, and I am glad that Vick will remain a member of the cast for at least a while. Wherever the Falcons play, there will be demonstrations from animal-rights activists and boos that will make Barry Bonds seem like Mr. Niceguy. Arthur Blank is about as competent to deal with this situation as Michael Scott is in running “The Office.”

By vv

July 19, 2007 12:18 PM | Link to this

I am cheering for the FEDS this year. If they win Atlanta wins. This will force spineless Blank to acquire or play a QB that has class and decency and can read defenses. Maybe just maybe we can lose the thug mentallity. The money Vick spent creating his dog fighting “camp” could have been used for so many other great things. I don’t believe Vick is very smart anyway but I give him credit for not being so stupid he did not know what was going on with his money and property. Jeff Schulz says it all.

By Jim P.

July 19, 2007 12:19 PM | Link to this

If the Commissioner Roger Goodell does not suspend Mike Vick, then he must allow Pacman Jones to play. There should be no double standard.

The Falcons need to make Vick take a leave of absence to clear his name.

I already sent a email to the Falcons front office, if Vick plays I boycott the Falcons and the NFL.

If you own a dog, cat, bird or fish, you should call Commissioner Roger Goodell and make your voice heard.

If you want to call NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell and voice your opinion, his number is 212-450-2000

By dna

July 19, 2007 12:20 PM | Link to this

Personally my prayers go out to Michael Vick during this time along with Arthur Blank and Rick McKay. America was built on second chances and when all this is over I hope it makes a better man of Michael Vick. There is going to be a lot of adversity this season. I hope the Falcons can overcome this as a team and that we as fan’s can find it within ourselves to support them during this difficult time.

By Bushwacker

July 19, 2007 12:21 PM | Link to this

Mike, tell me where I said anything to give the impression I have a problem with black men.

The only black man I’m talking about is Vick.

If you read these blogs you’d know that I am the biggest DJ Shockley fan in GA, and last time I checked he was a black man!

The problem with people like you is if we think a black man is guilty of something you want to label us racist, I think that shows you are the racist.

By Mike

July 19, 2007 12:24 PM | Link to this

The subject of race inevitably comes up in situations like these. Mike Vick is just a lightning rod for this type of debate. He always has and always will be until he’s gone from this town. I don’t like to talk about race. It’s like the elephant in the room. Nobody wants to talk about it. So let’s not. If the charges against Vick are true, he’s a horrible person. He deserves to go to federal prison. If he does, folks should know that they don’t give time off for good behavior. Vick would have to serve the full sentence. Someone mentioned Chris Benoit on here. Benoit was a horrible person for what he did. I don’t know about ‘roid rage. I do believe that he took his time killing his family, not a spur of the moment thing.

By THE COLD HARD FACTS

July 19, 2007 12:25 PM | Link to this

I am about to state something that is a fact, but I am simply the messenger:

Whites are offended more by Blacks that kill White people and innocent animals than they are offended by Blacks killing other Blacks.

In the collective conscience of White people, Blacks are lower than innocent animals (such as dogs trained for fighting). When a Black man kills another Black man, it is seen as simply wild, crazed animals fighting one another. When a Black man kills a White person, it is seen as a wild beast attacking a human. When a Black man kills an animal considered domesticated (such as dogs, even ones bred and trained for fighting), it is seen as a wild animal killing livestock (such as a wolf killing sheep).

For the same reason we do no prosecute wild beasts for killing each other, we, as a society, do not prosecute Black-on-Black crime to the severity we prosecute Black-on-White crime. Black-on-domesticated animal crime IS prosecuted because we, as a society, see Blacks as wild, crazed animals, and the domesticated animals as innocent victims.

This is why OJ Simpson is shunned (Black man accused of killing White people), and why Michael Vick will be shunned (Black man, as an animal, accused of killing domesticated animals), but Ray Lewis is not shunned (Black man, as a wild animal, accused of killing other Black men, who are also considered wild animals).

By Bushwacker

July 19, 2007 12:25 PM | Link to this

You see Mike how stupid you look now, I would much rather have DJ as qb than Joey and I think DJ is black and Joey is white.

What do you say now youare the racist!

By James Pearce

July 19, 2007 12:27 PM | Link to this

Mike Vick is a sick person who needs mental help. I feel so sorry for the poor animals that were in his care. All of us in the football world are disappointed in Mike Vick and hope he gets what he deserves.

By craig

July 19, 2007 12:29 PM | Link to this

what if he leads the team to the playoffs? i’m sure his court date will be the same day as the game. he’ll be sentenced on superbowl sunday.

GIVE VICK THE CHAIR!!!

By KJM

July 19, 2007 12:30 PM | Link to this

IRONIC…..Vick kills dogs because they perform poorly. If the NFL killed players for their onfield performance then Vick would have been killed years ago. Typical sorry pathetic piece of crap that will blame upbringing, neighborhod blah blah blah. He is the sorriest most overrrated QB in NFL history and gets his jollies out of torturing animals. GREAT role model….” Be Like Mike”..I hope he spends the rest of his pathetic exsistence in prison.

By BeamerBall

July 19, 2007 12:33 PM | Link to this

Nasdaq: “Go away you little pansy?” Are you for real? Am I a pansy because I own a beautiful, loyal german shepherd/pit bull mix and I find dogfighting to be a repugnant “sport” for the absolute bottom feeders of society? And I get the distinct feeling you’re a little touchy because you fall into this category. Plus, your redundant argument barely addressed my original email anyway. So I guess you think OJ didn’t kill anybody either, huh? BTW, you’re right. I’m not a real Fan of the Falcons because I’m an adult and I understand that there are no fans in professional sports, only customers. It’s a business plain and simple and I hold them accountable just as I do any business that wants my money. The bottom line, when in doubt always ask yourself, what would Uga do?

By So Silly

July 19, 2007 12:33 PM | Link to this

To Leon Moore. Unfortunately I can’t speak chicken or cow so there is no way to ask them. Maybe when they die they will be re-incarnated as trees, then I can cut them down!

By Gumbo

July 19, 2007 12:34 PM | Link to this

I guess you can torture dogs for human enjoyment and still pass the “Falcons Filter”

Arthur Blank, you disgust me almost as much as the other guy.

I never thought this franchise could make me quit being a Falcons Fan.

I was wrong. Go Jaguars!!!!!

By Truthman

July 19, 2007 12:34 PM | Link to this

Personally, I believe crimes committed against people (Ray Lewis, “Pacman” Jones, the NYPD and the LAPD) are much more heinous than crimes committed against animals.

I’m not condoning dog-fighting. I just believe man-on-man crime is much worse.

By Kat

July 19, 2007 12:36 PM | Link to this

THE COLD HARD FACTS- Your stupid. If we don’t punish black crime as much, then how come 53% of the prison population is black?

By Jim P.

July 19, 2007 12:37 PM | Link to this

If the Commissioner Roger Goodell does not suspend Mike Vick, then he must allow Pacman Jones to play. There should be no double standard.

The Falcons need to make Vick take a leave of absence to clear his name.

I already sent a email to the Falcons front office, if Vick plays I boycott the Falcons and the NFL.

If you own a dog, cat, bird or fish, you should call Commissioner Roger Goodell and make your voice heard.

If you want to call NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell and voice your opinion, his number is 212-450-2000

By Mike

July 19, 2007 12:38 PM | Link to this

That’s funny, Bushwacker. You could have fooled me. I’m the racist now?! That’s rich. You named one black guy and now that makes you Mr. Black People. You’re entitled to think he’s guilty. It’s your opinion.

By David

July 19, 2007 12:38 PM | Link to this

If you bring disgrace or tarnish the image of your employer, most Americans would be fired. A police officer may be put on a desk pending an investigation, a teacher suspended, whatever. The point is simple; give Vick his day in court, but put him on a paid leave of absence to deal with these issues. Once resolved then make a decision. However, do not let this nonsense detract from the other 52 players on the team. IF VICK IS THE FALCONS AS SOME OF YOUR READERS SUGGEST, THEN YOU CAN KEEP THEM.

By One Voice

July 19, 2007 12:40 PM | Link to this

I have a question for Arthur Blank: How much money have you payed to have a dog wet down and electrocuted in the past couple years? How much did you pay to have a dog slammed against concrete until its skull was fractured? How much to have one strangled?

Face it Arthur, you wrote the checks and those checks are what payed for these atrocities. You have a choice. You’re either okay with it or you’re not, and if it’s not okay for you to pay for animals to be killed for fun then you must cut Vick.

By Mike

July 19, 2007 12:44 PM | Link to this

Oooooo. Bushwacker has his panties in a big wad. Now you’ve resorted to name-calling. That’s real mature. You’re making yourself look foolish. Have you no control over your emotions? Calm down. You feel vindicated now. Take a deep breath. Ease away from the keyboard. Come back when you’re calm and rational. By the way, I have nothing against white people. I have 5 white friends.

By jakes

July 19, 2007 12:45 PM | Link to this

I cannot believe the ignorance in some of the posters. Like the one that said boxers fight all the time. WHAT??? Those men have a choice, if they want to get beat up. These are innocent animals, that have no say where they live, what they do, etc. etc. If this is the kind of ignorance that is in this world, no wonder people like “*hole Vick can get away with crap like this. Its just amazing to me. This guy and everyone involved should be sent to jail and while there, I hope someone catches them in the shower, and uses an electric prod on them. I can’t even fathom that there are people that call themselves “human”…I call them SICK ANIMALS, AND SHOULD BE PROSECUTED TO THE FULLEST.

By Kat

July 19, 2007 12:48 PM | Link to this

“By NASDAQ Hey BeamerBall You need to grow up. The indictment is based off of what other people who participated in dogfights have said.”

WRONG they have eight tortured dog corpses

By THE COLD HARD FACTS

July 19, 2007 12:49 PM | Link to this

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I didn’t say Blacks aren’t punished for crimes, I said they are punished LESS for killing or raping or stealing from other Blacks, compared to the punishment they receive from killing or raping or stealing from White people.

By your wings are ready

July 19, 2007 12:51 PM | Link to this

In response to Sean’s comment, “It seems to me its been a Mike Vick wich hunt for the last 3 years”, I think you forgot the fact that the initial April investigation of Vick’s property was based on drugs and Vick’s cousin.

“During an April 25 drug raid at the property, authorities seized 66 dogs, including 55 pit bulls, and equipment commonly used in dogfighting. About half the dogs were tethered to car axles with heavy chains that allowed the dogs to get close to each other, but not to have contact, an arrangement typical for fighting dogs, according to the search warrant affidavit.”

Trouble seems to follow Vick, (aka Ron Mexico, aka Ookie) his family and friends, based on their lifestyle, not the whims of the media or law enforcement.

While it is true that the media can influence the way we view a person, that person is entirely responsible for his/her own actions. Unfortunately, both can have a profound effect on others.

Love him or loathe him, Michael Vick has dragged the Falcons organization through the mud. To me, it seems unfair to the Falcons players, staff and fans, particularly the kids.

Best of luck to the Falcons organization on this one.

By Mike

July 19, 2007 12:54 PM | Link to this

My favorite quarterback is Peyton Manning. I think he’s the greatest quarterback in the league today. I prefer alternative over rap. I used to love Friends. Does that make me not a racist?

By Marianne

July 19, 2007 12:55 PM | Link to this

As an NFL fan in another state, I am absolutely appalled, not just with Michael Vick’s behaviour, but some of the comments listed here. Anyone that supports his dog-fighting as “part of his culture, environment, etc” needs to question the origin of that culture. Cruelty is any form is wrong, and it is about time people finally take a stand and stop ignoring what is going on in communities that support dog-fighting.

Michael Vick will never be welcome in my city’s stadium again, and all of the Home Depot stores in the area are going to be targeted for protests until Mr. Blank does the ethical thing for both his team and his country: Suspend Michael Vick until this matter is concluded.

Any other employee for any other company would be placed on administrative leave if facing Federal Indictments. Michael Vick should not be exempt from this.

If he is the “face of the Atlanta Falcons franchise” then I would be absolutely ashamed to be a Falcons fan.

By Dave of Florida

July 19, 2007 12:56 PM | Link to this

Hey, THE COLD HARD FACTS - WHAT???? Where did you get this information from? Did you take your own personal poll? Read it on the internet or what? As far as I am concerned we are all one race - the human race. Just because another human has a slightly more or less pigment in his skin is irrelevant. I believe that and my children believe that. So to put everyone into another class and infer that everyone believes a certain thing or a certain way is wrong. God put us down here to get along and love one another so judge not lest you be judged. That should apply towards everyone.

By Falcons Stink

July 19, 2007 12:57 PM | Link to this

This team was nothing with Vick and will be nothing when he’s gone. Arthur Blank is a joke as an owner how sad for a man who states character is a required quality for anyone who plays on his team. How’s that character thing working out for your team now Arthur? Arthur you’re a liar and a fraud! Additionally anyone from Atlanta who goes to any home game to cheer this bunch of losers should be labeled as dog killers as well! The Falcons can now officialy change their name to the Atlanta Dog Killers!

By bobby

July 19, 2007 12:58 PM | Link to this

Where was the outrage when Bobby Cox was beating his wife? I didn’t notice any Braves games boycotted. Mistreated animals vs. mistreated wife…I’m still lost on that one. When all you haters finish with Vick and he gets jail time can you please..every last one of you bombard the Kentucky Derby and the horse racing establishment on the mistreatment of those animals. Don’t just pick and chose…getem all!!!

By A-ville Ranger

July 19, 2007 1:00 PM | Link to this

Gumbo……I feel exactly the same.I live in nc but I’m from the Atlanta area and have been a Falcons fan my whole life.I’ve been keeping up with the Panthers in case Vick is the Falcons qb.I can’t in good conscience be a fan of an organization that would allow a sociopath like Vick on the team…….GO PANTHERS !!!!!

By SanchezBallard

July 19, 2007 1:00 PM | Link to this

Michael Vick have found himself in a bad situation, but I will pray that God pull him out of this. God can work miracles. Too may people & companies look up to him.But, I’m glad that isn’t something like rape,drugs,and murder. These are cahmp charges, also why is the Pet organization all sudden a big name. They race Greyhounds & Horses to make money, but you don’t see any Black owners.

By Dave from Florida

July 19, 2007 1:01 PM | Link to this

Hey BeamerBall, Uga would sit around and lick his balls - and if I could do that I wouldn’t be on the internet.

By football fan

July 19, 2007 1:03 PM | Link to this

Hey Authur - Next Thursday Vick will be in court and 50 plus young men will show up at training camp trying to make the 45-man roster. Do them a favor and suspend Vick for the year, with pay, so he is out of the way and the media circus is removed as a distraction for this team! If he is found innocent, he plays next year. If he is found quilty, he is gone. If he is not suspended and he plays while under indictment, the distraction will result in no better than a 4 & 12 season as people throw stuffed dogs at the team all year. If he is suspended, the record will be no worse and there is a chance it could be better. Suspend him and live up to that high standards picture you try to paint of the Falcons.

By Rodney51

July 19, 2007 1:04 PM | Link to this

I admit that I do not like thugs. Be it white or black, I do not like thugs. Vick, more than likely is guilty for this crime. Will it end his football career, No. Will it end his career in Atlanta? Probably so. Will Atlanta fall flat without Vick? No. Vick has not led Atlanta to a Superbowl yet, and as someone already mentioned…Teams with decent defense already know how to defend Vick. We need a pure passer. We also need a leader, which Vick is not. Someone else mentioned our Receivers and O-line. Our receivers are good, but the statement is correct about the O-line. Hopefully putting some beef up front will fix the O-line problem. Racism is question in this? Absolutely not. It does not matter if you are white or black…but if you are a thug, a criminal, a punk, a convict, etc. etc. than that is what you are. If you don’t want to do the time then don’t do the crime. Pure and Simple, not about “white” or “black”. The ones that bring the race issue up are typically racist themselves and thus why they always bring up that issue. “OJ” was dirty, Pete Rose was dirty, QB “Art Schlicter” guilty, Pac Man guilty, etc. etc. Not about race people. But regardless, Vick is not the last Hope for the Falcons. Yes, he can bring excitement to games. But, he has not come close to bringing a Super Bowl Trophy home. QB journeyman Chris Chandler came close with the trophy….with that being said, we can do it with Harrington, possibly Shokely, possibly Culpepper, or who ever else. We have the Running backs, a good Defense, decent WR’s, very good Tight end, Hopefully a decent O-line to block for whomever….Just remember….We don’t hate the person’s color, but we do hate the thugs & criminal elements….Enough said.

By gdawg

July 19, 2007 1:05 PM | Link to this

MIKE CONVICK IS ELECTRIFYING!!

By SueO

July 19, 2007 1:06 PM | Link to this

Another bored,ignorant and stupid rich athelete….Vick indulges in illegal gambling and dog fighting….what other lows does he indulge in? Betting on games? Performance enhancing drugs? Other disgusting immmoral behaviors? Maybe he can find a nice bridge to sleep under….He is an insult to sportsmanship and to the game. And they said that blacks were too dumb to be a QB, another huge step back for blacks in sports. Why isn’t he locked up with a cell full of true FB fans that know the history of the game? No PC for Vick, nope……if he doesn’t serve time and loses all his ‘glory’…then USA sports is a disgusting cesspool full of corruption and the lowest of the low sleaze.

By Janet

July 19, 2007 1:06 PM | Link to this

Vick’s career is OVER — he will be found guilty of these charges and will soon be indicted for another felony — Federal Income Tax Fraud —

The guy is a total LOSER !!!!

By James

July 19, 2007 1:07 PM | Link to this

From the “Poor House” to “Our House” to the “Dog House” to the “Big House” to the “Out House” !

Falcons # 7 - the same number of ways to kill a dog (fighting, electrocuting, shooting, hanging, drowning, slamming and one more we don’t know about yet.

By Dave from Chattanooga

July 19, 2007 1:07 PM | Link to this

Mike Vick (“Ron Mexico”): (1) immense talent (2) limited mental faculties (3) selfish thug (4) cruel, inhumane nature (5) FRANCHISE killer (6) good riddance … GO JOEY and SHOCKLEY!

By A-ville Ranger

July 19, 2007 1:09 PM | Link to this

Oh let me add Mark Bradley is the most screwed up thinking columnist on this or any other staff I’ve ever read.It’s not just this article bad as it is,there are many examples.This does however set a new low.

By Kat

July 19, 2007 1:11 PM | Link to this

Cold Hard Fact- The Atlanta Child Killer is still in jail…. OJ is still free….maybe its really because Vick famous and it has nothing to do with him being black??

About Bobby Cox (from the NY Times) BOBBY COX looked relaxed and signed autographs in a Cobb County courtroom yesterday moments before a judge dismissed wife battery charges against him

those charges were dismissed at a County Level NOT THE SAME AS A FEDERAL INDICTMENT!@!!

By darian

July 19, 2007 1:14 PM | Link to this

Mike Vick is repugnant and he and the other’s should see jail time. To echo earlier comments, humans have a choice whether or not to engage in boxing or other sports. Dogs have no choice in the matter!

Also, to all of the hunter’s who are chiming in; your actions are just as reprehensible and sadistic. I am referring to “trophy hunters”, and in particular to those who use bows. The animals killed die agonizing deaths, since rarely are there kill shots. The end result is the same as dog fighting, animals dying for the pleasure of men. Especially disturbing is killing of prey animals natural predators like wolf, cougar and bear. Hunters like to use that culling word, which means they get to fill in for for these predators when deer, elk etc. reach beyond the threshold of what man has set.

Trophy hunting and dog fighting are both evil, sadistic and neanderthal behaviors. They prove nothing towards manhood, only a lack thereof. Lets work on both!

By delta dawn

July 19, 2007 1:14 PM | Link to this

This whole dog thing makes me sick. But that aside, I believe in innocence until proven guilty. Why? Because I have known people who got in trouble, and whether guilty or not, your sentence starts as soon as you go to jail. Okay, that’s enough of that. I don’t know if he is guilty. Not for me to decide. If he is found guilty for this horrible crime, then okay. If not found guilty, he is still sentenced because being in the spotlight the world has already decided. I wouldn’t want to be in his place for any amount of money. Good day.

By Jim P.

July 19, 2007 1:18 PM | Link to this

I look at it like this, I would rather see the Falcons with a 1-15 record without Vick, than see a Superbowl team with him with this dark cloud over head.

If Vick does play, I wont watch.

By gold

July 19, 2007 1:18 PM | Link to this

We could finish below .500 without Vick. Arthur, why sell your soul for a QB that is a statistical disaster? And just for the record, he did this to himself. For God’s sake, have some dignity and move on without Mike Vick.

By G

July 19, 2007 1:18 PM | Link to this

By reading these comments and listening to negative views on the radio, it’s easy to see why Atlanta is a loser of a city when it comes to sports. How about supporting your guy until proven guilty. Until judgement day, enjoy this talent. Mike Vick will have to do what Deon Sanders did, leave town to be champion. Atlanta is not ready. There are more “Vick Haters” in Atlanta than in Tampa Bay. Atlanta is a loser sports town.

By never a falcon fan

July 19, 2007 1:21 PM | Link to this

hey is anyone curious how Vick’s house sold so fast. kind of strange if you think of it. it has been heard that ARTHUR BLANK bought it from Vick. WHY???????????????????????

By tyger

July 19, 2007 1:23 PM | Link to this

Mark Bradley has bumped his head!!!This isnt the same irrational small guy, he has re-invented himself as a rational thinking analytical reporter, jeez. The hillbillies are going to be in an uproar.

Beyond the shock and hysteria of the indictment, lets think a minute about what the options are.

1. If he’s guilty, he can always cop a plea, like Quentin Richardson and Larry Johnson, get a fine, probation and not miss a game.

2. If he’s not guilty, not innocent but not guilty, he walks.

The feds still have to prove their case. Vick will get a jury, and take your chances finding 9 people to take the word of incarcerated scum versus a guy thats never been in trouble. Poor judgment yes, but Pacman Jones not!

The marketing deals are irrelevant, its his NFL career that is of primary concern. Those deals were gravy but he’ll still be a very rich Negro despite them.

And isnt that really the problem you have?

By Matthew From Marietta

July 19, 2007 1:23 PM | Link to this

If Mike vick gets in trouble for what he did, so what. He terrorized inocent animals who did nothing to him. There is a saying, “You Get What You Give”.

To Mr. Gilley and Mike, You are the ones who cause people to be racist. If you think things are bad in America, go to a country like China and live there a while.

To my fellow Falcons fans, Love the falcons but don’t have to pull for Vick. We had winning seasons without him before and we can do it again. We also made it to Super Bowl XXXIII without him and we can make it to another one without him agian. Please don’t stop likeing the Falcons because of Vick. There are great Falcons superstars like Keith Brooking, Warrick Dunn, and others. Those two players are my favorite Falcon players. For the ones who say I an not going to another Falcons game as long as #7 is still on the team, You can still go but, you don’t have to pull for Vick. I went to two games with Vick as the star quarterback, but I didn’t have to chear for Vick. on the other hand, Vick is the heart of the team and he messed it up. But, still pull for the Falcons. I hope thet Harrington gets the job. I know he will do good with the Falcons because he was good in college. GO FALCONS IN 2007.

For Mike Vick, if he comes clean and admit for what he did wrong, people might like him still. Because of what he did wrong, Airtran laid him off, what is next, get laid off from Nike, and most of all, get suspended from the NFL. That can happen so quickly and so fast his head might spin. To all Vick supporters, just hope that he will tell the truth and get on. Even if it’s worth getting suspended or spend time in jail. There is a saying, “Look before You leap”

I beleive in forgiveness because my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ forgives people.

I hope that you have a nice rest of the week and have a good weekend and GO FALCONS.

By Adam

July 19, 2007 1:23 PM | Link to this

It doesn’t matter if you’re black or white. If you did the crime, you should do the time. It’s as simple as that. Vick has embarrassed the city and his teammates. It’s a shame that things have come to this. The Falcons and the city of Atlanta deserve better. And Mike- what the hell are you talking about? I have 5 white friends? We should all ignore you.

By Matthew From Marietta

July 19, 2007 1:24 PM | Link to this

If Mike vick gets in trouble for what he did, so what. He terrorized inocent animals who did nothing to him. There is a saying, “You Get What You Give”.

To Mr. Gilley and Mike, You are the ones who cause people to be racist. If you think things are bad in America, go to a country like China and live there a while.

To my fellow Falcons fans, Love the falcons but don’t have to pull for Vick. We had winning seasons without him before and we can do it again. We also made it to Super Bowl XXXIII without him and we can make it to another one without him agian. Please don’t stop likeing the Falcons because of Vick. There are great Falcons superstars like Keith Brooking, Warrick Dunn, and others. Those two players are my favorite Falcon players. For the ones who say I an not going to another Falcons game as long as #7 is still on the team, You can still go but, you don’t have to pull for Vick. I went to two games with Vick as the star quarterback, but I didn’t have to chear for Vick. on the other hand, Vick is the heart of the team and he messed it up. But, still pull for the Falcons. I hope thet Harrington gets the job. I know he will do good with the Falcons because he was good in college. GO FALCONS IN 2007.

For Mike Vick, if he comes clean and admit for what he did wrong, people might like him still. Because of what he did wrong, Airtran laid him off, what is next, get laid off from Nike, and most of all, get suspended from the NFL. That can happen so quickly and so fast his head might spin. To all Vick supporters, just hope that he will tell the truth and get on. Even if it’s worth getting suspended or spend time in jail. There is a saying, “Look before You leap”

I beleive in forgiveness because my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ forgives people. Anyone can ask for forgiveness even Mike Vick.

I hope that you have a nice rest of the week and have a good weekend and GO FALCONS.

By miker

July 19, 2007 1:25 PM | Link to this

why so many race issues. i wish that people in atlanta would not contemplate everything regarding race. i have been a fan of the falcons since i went to GT back in the late 70’s. i live abroad and i follow the falcons every season, i get to see their games every sunday. and i will follow them who ever their QB is. let the most respectud judicial system in the free world take care of what is going on…lets enjoy our upcoming season

By your wings are ready

July 19, 2007 1:25 PM | Link to this

Excuse me Sanchez-

Racing greyhounds & horses is legal and electrocuting dogs is not.

The starving pit bulls chained to car axles probably wish they had a meal and a stable like the horseys do. They are however, according to the indictment, properly bathed - just prior to ripping each other to pieces for the entertainment of the barbarians.

By latisha

July 19, 2007 1:25 PM | Link to this

Please dont let de wite man sent vick to jail.Where is jeesee jakson

By bobby

July 19, 2007 1:25 PM | Link to this

Rodney51 - Look what Chris chandler had. That Falcons team would have won the last 6 superbowls with the receivers and Jam running the ball and the defensive line was great. This squad does not even compare. It is not about race until the small % decide to be unrealistic…burn in hell, hangem..if you have read enough blogs you would see the searing hate for this guy for..shooting the bird (who hasn’t)..smoking weed - possibly (who hasn’t - George & Bill) and the term Thug seems to always be attached to a black persons name, it that is not racist I do not know what is. Vick has not done anything that fits the “definition of Thug” in the dictionary yet he has been called that for years..because of his look, yet Schaub, and I like Schaub, has been in a bar fight but was never called Thug and assault is Thuggish.

By The Truth

July 19, 2007 1:26 PM | Link to this

INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY

Mark I actually agree with you this time. Kobe was indicted for Rape, Ray Lewis for Murder, both are way more serious crimes than dogfighting. The Lakers and the Ravens let both players have their day in court before they fired them, so why should the Falcons do anything different. The truth is after a couple of good football seasons from Mike Vick, and this incident will be a distant memory

GO FALCONS!!! GO VICK!!!

By bk hawk

July 19, 2007 1:27 PM | Link to this

Now we will find out if Mr. Blanks lives up to his standards or because its Vick he lowers them. The Team comes first, not one player. If Blank sticks with (whats his name today) Vick what will the other players and coaches think? The Jaguars will get alot off new fans if Blanks picks wrong. The Falcons can win without VICK!!!!!!

By THE COLD HARD FACTS

July 19, 2007 1:27 PM | Link to this

Willy Williams is in jail because he killed Black children, not Black adults.

Black children are considered innocent until puberty.

OJ is free because he had an all-black jury, and is shunned by society.

By A confused Falcon

July 19, 2007 1:29 PM | Link to this

One of the reporters yesterday said that MV7’s name was in the legal documents like 50 something times. I just read the pdf. that you guys have up and he’s not on there once. Is the document that is up there the one he was talking about??

By Sully

July 19, 2007 1:30 PM | Link to this

SIGN DAUNTE CULPEPPER Harrington is gonna blow it for everyone

By John

July 19, 2007 1:31 PM | Link to this

Mr. Bradley - THOSE DOGS DIDN’T GET A “SECOND ACT” …………

By VickFan

July 19, 2007 1:32 PM | Link to this

I would like to read the other guys indictment. Each is done individuallly and it reads, because they are all charged with the same crimes as if each individual did the same things. Taken from experience, it says Mike Vick 51 times, on theres is there name on there 51 times? Just a question, and good for you on the hunting comparison, rednecks beware, as you gaze up to that head on your wall, no heads on the wall of the Vick house. All in all, its sick and I cant watch the trainwreck anymore. I love Vick, and do believe in innocent until proven guilty, but If it was my dog just by being implicated he would be a dead man. period. His life as he knows it is over, and it will sure be a shame if is found not guilty. If he is found guilty then justice will be served and hopefully Bubba will be a dog lover.

By Jim P.

July 19, 2007 1:34 PM | Link to this

Jesus forgave everyone, except the dude that kicked his dog.

By Cicero

July 19, 2007 1:34 PM | Link to this

The issue of guilt or innocence stays only with courts of law (and we have only heard from the Feds at this point). For the team, the city and the league, the matter is appropriately addressed in the court of public opinion.

In reports like this one, the public formulates a judgment about the victim as well as the perpetrator.

Forgiveness - and therefore a “second act” - depends on the combination of the appeal of the perpetrator and the sympathy for the victim.

Vick never banked much good will off the field through his actions in the community, and sympathy for dogs tends to be very high. I predict this one goes to the dogs.

By Jimi

July 19, 2007 1:34 PM | Link to this

WHY would Vick sell his house for 300,000 when he paid $857,437 for it as soon as the Law showed up?

By Mr. B

July 19, 2007 1:35 PM | Link to this

It was alright in the 60’s for dogs to attack black people right? Whites hunt and kill deers and other animals for game,get a grip america. You and Micheal will have to answer to GOD!!!!!!!

By tim

July 19, 2007 1:35 PM | Link to this

i hope his money cannot buy his freedom. this over hyped piece of trash should suffer the same fate as those animals. professional sports need to get rid of clowns like him T.O., Pacman,Tank, AI and the like bring back the role models like rice,emmitt,unitas,bench,morgan, magic players that played the game with class. were they choir boys no. but they didn’t make spectals of themselves either

By get a u-haul

July 19, 2007 1:36 PM | Link to this

You’re right “G”, we are losers here in Atlanta. Whatever you do, don’t move here.

By tim

July 19, 2007 1:36 PM | Link to this

i hope his money cannot buy his freedom. this over hyped piece of trash should suffer the same fate as those animals. professional sports need to get rid of clowns like him T.O., Pacman,Tank, AI and the like bring back the role models like rice,emmitt,unitas,bench,morgan, magic players that played the game with class. were they choir boys no. but they didn’t make spectals of themselves either

By DeeDee

July 19, 2007 1:37 PM | Link to this

You people who took time to voice your views and read this mess printed here need to get a life. Because if you took time out to read all of this mess just like I just did, you could’t be doing anything worth anything. And the h—- with animals.

By bobby

July 19, 2007 1:37 PM | Link to this

Kat - About Bobby Cox (from the NY Times) BOBBY COX looked relaxed and signed autographs in a Cobb County courtroom yesterday moments before a judge dismissed wife battery charges against him

If this is a response to my post then you still don’t get it. When it was revealed that he was being charged for beating his wife there was no outrage. I can care less about the level of crime. All the “moralist” where not attacking him. If Vicks case was not a felony it would not make a difference. Joe blow can care less about the court decision as seen on these posts. I guess if Vick gets off like Bobby Cox then everything will be alright….yeah right! I’m not wanting people to attach Bobby I am just making a comparison between alleged wife beating and alleged dog beating.

By G

July 19, 2007 1:41 PM | Link to this

Those televised HOME games will be a sight to see. Half of the crowd in Falcon jerseys booing Vick, and the other half cheering. What a showing for the city of Atlanta. LOSER sports town!

By Troy

July 19, 2007 1:43 PM | Link to this

No one really knows if the charges against Michael Vick are true. Just because someone is indicted does not mean that that he/she is guilty except in the public eye and in the media. None of the sports writers knows if the charges are true but each and everyone has thrown in their two cents to condemn Vick. None of you public hacks knows if the charges are true or not. I’m sure prosecutors in Georgia can’t wait to file charges against Vick so that they can get a piece of the action. I’m sure Vick has been the main target of this investigation because he is in the public eye. If he is found guilty that in itself does not mean that he actually did what he is accused of doing. Plenty of men have been released fron prison being innocent of the charges that sent them to prison.

By Patricia

July 19, 2007 1:43 PM | Link to this

WE THINK ATLANTA SHOULD BOYCOTT ALL OF THE FALCONS GAMES WHY VICK IS PLAYING!!!

By Eternal Optimist

July 19, 2007 1:44 PM | Link to this

JD, that’s so much “BS”. Obviously you don’t know much about dog fighting. It is not a predominantly Afro-American as you put it. Don’t be so stupid as to make this a black and white thing. Fighting pit bull dogs is a activity that was started in Europe and spread to the US. There are hundreds of dog fighting rings throughout the US and white males are the dominant participants you a-hole. Bash Vick all you want but don’t come on this blog yapping about what you obviously don’t know crap about……..

By bucsfan

July 19, 2007 1:47 PM | Link to this

Every rich person out there including athletes feel they are above the law. Stop throwing in the whole race card thing, if you do that in any way, you are a racist yourself… black,white brown,blue or green. This man is a bad seed and the fame and power made it worse, who cares that he is a great food ball player. He is a twisted human being and we as a society should not emulate another human like this. Every thing anyone writes and say about this is just giving birth to a society of youths right now that will think being this way is cool or justified(thuggish,racist,hateful,unlawful). Whether it is the action of the accused or the media coverage, or a bunch of people writing blogs, it all taints our human society. Do you really think the federal government is going to go after someone who is innocent,I am sure YOU know what goes on in your back yard, or even your neighbors, I bet you know most the things going on in your own neighborhood and maybe even town.Yet Vick knew, nothing ,of any of this….please… even if he wins it does not mean he is innocent in this debacle. Please Stop the race angle on this… Pete Rose was white and the Feds crucified him. When someone of wealth and fame step across the line, which we as a normal society step across every day, they bring more attention to themselves,hell they had a search warrant for a drug raid on his property. It would be nice to see a celebrity win a case or beat a charge on there innocents, not because of there wealth or popularity, do you think the average person in society would have gotten it as light as any celeb or rich person does…(Hilton, O.J.Simpson, Mel Gibson, Tank Johnson, Snoop, Ray Lewis,Kobe Bryant) get real people …. don’t say that you have Vicks back or any other celeb out there, because they could care less about any of us outside their world, they don’t pay my bills or yours, but we pay there bills all the time, every time we buy a magazine, watch a movie,buy clothing or CD, buy a Jersey. If any charges would have been brought up with anyone not of celebrity status, we would still be in jail. Let justice do its thing not money or popularity. No matter what color you are, stop classifying people …. all men are good and evil, it is that man’s own perception of themselves that determines there path.

By melo

July 19, 2007 1:48 PM | Link to this

O.J.did not kill those people! Stop it people. O.J. is one of the smartest former NFL stars around.

Those two people must have committted suicide!!

By Lane

July 19, 2007 1:51 PM | Link to this

VICK NEEDS TO GO NOW!!!!!!

Also, Blank should sell the Falcons. He was and is a little too “slick”, his presence on the sidelines is disgusting.

ATLANTA, NEEDS A FRESH START!!!

By marbo

July 19, 2007 1:52 PM | Link to this

Doc Hill, that was the best blog i have read since this ordeal began. I agree whole-heartedly.

By Jim P.

July 19, 2007 1:55 PM | Link to this

bobby,

Cox did not hang, or kill his wife. He did not put her in a pit and make her fight to the death. You are compairing apples to bannanas.

By Jason

July 19, 2007 1:55 PM | Link to this

Vick apparently has some serious emotional, mental issues. Why the heck would anyone ever drown, electrocute or hang a dog? That is Charles Manson-esque stuff right there. Do you really want this kind of person on your football team? If I played for the Falcons, I wouldnt even let my kids around him.

I hope Vick rots for this, its disgusting and morbid.

By Jason

July 19, 2007 1:55 PM | Link to this

Vick apparently has some serious emotional, mental issues. Why the heck would anyone ever drown, electrocute or hang a dog? That is Charles Manson-esque stuff right there. Do you really want this kind of person on your football team? If I played for the Falcons, I wouldnt even let my kids around him.

I hope Vick rots for this, its disgusting and morbid.

By Jason

July 19, 2007 1:56 PM | Link to this

Vick apparently has some serious emotional, mental issues. Why the heck would anyone ever drown, electrocute or hang a dog? That is Charles Manson-esque stuff right there. Do you really want this kind of person on your football team? If I played for the Falcons, I wouldnt even let my kids around him.

I hope Vick rots for this, its disgusting and morbid.

By Mr. Gilley

July 19, 2007 1:58 PM | Link to this

GreaT Post BOBBY!!!

Rodney51 - Look what Chris chandler had. That Falcons team would have won the last 6 superbowls with the receivers and Jam running the ball and the defensive line was great. This squad does not even compare. It is not about race until the small % decide to be unrealistic…burn in hell, hangem..if you have read enough blogs you would see the searing hate for this guy for..shooting the bird (who hasn’t)..smoking weed - possibly (who hasn’t - George & Bill) and the term Thug seems to always be attached to a black persons name, it that is not racist I do not know what is. Vick has not done anything that fits the “definition of Thug” in the dictionary yet he has been called that for years..because of his look, yet Schaub, and I like Schaub, has been in a bar fight but was never called Thug and assault is Thuggish.

By db

July 19, 2007 2:01 PM | Link to this

Let’s put this in perspective, shall we?

VICK: the so-called THUG ‘accused’ of killing 8 dogs. H3ll… for the sake of conversation; let’s say that he killed 200 dogs over the course of the past decade. YES, that would be a deplorable act by one Mr. Vick and should be punished if these “allegations” are indeed true. These needless deaths of dogs are definitely bad decisions by Vick… (allegedly)

BUSH: “guilty” of being associated in the deaths of over 3000 American troops over the same time span due to poor decision making and a personal and/or political aggenda that was (and still is) completed unjust. He’s still in office with absolutely NO punishment while still having the support of MILLIONS of people (probably some of the same indivuals who are calling for Vick’s head).

Who’s the real thug?

I guess Fido is more important…

By War Damn Eagle!

July 19, 2007 2:03 PM | Link to this

Hey ‘By The Truth’ I have three MV7 jerseys, an autographed Gold Rookie Card, and a limited edition framed lithograph that I would like to EBAY or Craig’s list auction off but SURPRISE there are NO bidders…I am trying to auction them off for Charity, specifically for the Atlanta Humane Society and PitBull Rescue Center.

Any takers…letting them go cheap???!!!

MV7-What a LOSER!!!

By Hateville AT AJC SPORTS

July 19, 2007 2:03 PM | Link to this

That your cold hard fact you was not there every thing else is gossip and hear say now that’s the cold hard facts! you write something people believe what they read! WMD”s they said it was cold hard facts , the rape case in the Caroline was cold hard facts! Killing animal is wrong people shoot dog all the time , kill deers not moose most not to eat just to kill ,they got to kill something. we have a lot of lying hipcrits on this blog page . most of you have done wrong but did not get caught . when vick goes to court that will be judement day for him. Not now from hatfull sports writer at ESPN AJC sports, yahoo fox sport the F network, now the jurry is tanted by the press. The are so hatefull because they have sent him up the river. a lot of you on this blog have done worse thing than what they say vick has done . you hipocrit are self rightious and are full of it!

By Mr. Gilley

July 19, 2007 2:05 PM | Link to this

When I say its a RACE THING. I am not talking about the Dogfighting charges. The feds went hard on him cause he was a Black Athlete, A Big Name and they love to make examples out of Wealthy People Black or White. But my inclusion of racism was to all of the people who are judging him and calling him a thug when he doesn’t fit that mold. When White people commit crimes and are convicted without a reasonable doubt, I never hear them labled thugs but even before the dogfighting incident, Vick was called a thug because of the way he dresses and the braids. Thats wrong thats racist and the media paints the picture that Black Men from the “hood” with the entities of Mike Vick is thuggish and that is Racist.. Point Blank… At least be consistent with the misused term THUG!

By Rodney51

July 19, 2007 2:05 PM | Link to this

Bobby- Yes it is true that more blacks are labeled “thug” than whites. Unfortunately in the hip hop culture, being a thug is glamorized. Unfortunately having a look of a thug does not float in the business world. I said “thug” and “punk” together. I added “punk” because that is what the typical “white” idiots are called. Those individuals want to be accepted but yet they do not want to conform. Why should I want to hire or put someone in a management position if he or she does not carry a professional image. Vick may not be considered a thug to many. But, if convicted, he will be a criminal element (which was also mentioned). I see a QB as a manager, as a leader. A QB must have the respect of his team and provide good leadership. Your right, flipping the bird is nothing. I don’t think that upset many people. The media jumped on it. A few people got upset. But bottomline, the bird flipping was not an issue. The mysterious “water bottle” is a different issue. Vick showed poor “judgement” in this. Vick has once again showed Poor Judgement in the dog fighting situation. If someone begins to have a track record of showing continious poor judgement, then he also becomes a high risk to his organization. Football is a business as the players themselves admit. The business owners do not their organization to have a negative appearance. This will only hurt their own organization in future financial endeavors. Vick was totally supported by Atlanta fans when he came aboard. Vick has been his own worse enemy. His statements and actions have turned many fans against him. (Not only fans but endorsements also) Yes, there may have been some fans that were against Vick only because he is black….But there are also other fans that are only for Vick because he is black. The final answer to all of this is: Vick continues to show Poor Judgement. Based on his Poor Judgement, he is now being judged by others. For many, it is not about skin color….For some, it is about skin color (and for those, it goes both ways….for and against)

In the end…the saying stays true….No matter what color….If you don’t want to do the time then don’t do the crime. For every action, there is a reaction.

By Wayz

July 19, 2007 2:05 PM | Link to this

Vick is a very exciting player with speed, agility, and arm strength. But his passing is mediocre and his stats and QB ratings aren’t any better. Then add in his inability to lead the Falcons to consistent playoff appearances. So here is a player with vast potential, but no real consistent results in the NFL. We have (or had) faith that that he could lead the Falcons to a championship. Atlanta and the Falcons have for the most part held on to that faith despite his inconsistent play and off field missteps. I think this is the tipping point. Even if he can avoid a conviction, I think Atlanta is ready to move on to a new starting QB. The questions is how soon will the Falcons Organization be ready move on?

By RamblinLonghorn

July 19, 2007 2:06 PM | Link to this

The federal circuit this matter is being handled by is known as a Rocket Docket, for its low wait time from indictment to trial. I wouldn’t be surprised if we say Vick in trial during the season.

By Jason

July 19, 2007 2:07 PM | Link to this

Hey db, by your logic, FDR was associated with the deaths of US soldiers in WWII, so he is a thug too, right?

By white guy are allway rigtht there own eyes

July 19, 2007 2:09 PM | Link to this

lane you need to go and tell your mama to stop beeping me!

By ted

July 19, 2007 2:11 PM | Link to this

Dog fighting is NOT predominantly an activity of Afro-Americans!

This is also big business for the good ole boys in states like Georgia, where even the local sheriff and high school principal and cops are involved in some towns!

This has been big business for many whites as well. All unreported TAX-FREE income!!!

What is comes down to is- criminal business is criminal business.

And no matter how you feel about dog abuse, these people are ripping off every one of us with their big-money illegal businesses!

It is going on in YOUR state.

By george

July 19, 2007 2:12 PM | Link to this

Michael Vick makes you want to stop and give evolution a second thought. Besides that, he is a thug and criminal. He needs to be in a cage himself.

By white guy are allway rigtht there own eyes

July 19, 2007 2:12 PM | Link to this

Peta need to boycott Bass pro shop !

By JT

July 19, 2007 2:12 PM | Link to this

Top Ten Problems with keeping Vick on the Faclons:

1. What letters are missing from VICK ? T-E-A-M. Not a team player, never has been never will be.
2. Price of keeping Vick to Win at all costs will be more costly than if we just eat his salary, dump him and take our lumps.
3. BadNewz Kennels can be our new corporate sponsor- or just take it out of his salary cause that’s what paid ofr BadNewz to begin with !
4. We’ll have more secret water bottles as giveaways at home games
5. The cost of changing name on jersey to “Mexico” instead of Vick along with STD medical bills is too much
6. Fans will get sick of hearing “who let the dogs out” at Falcons away games
7. If the leash fits, you must not acquit
8. Blacked out home games can be seen on COURT TV. FOX won’t like that !
9. No more K-9 drug search dogs at home games…dogs will talk!
10. Really not fair to good teammates like Dunn and Brooking just to name a few, everybody including Petrino have worked too hard.

How many chances does he get. yes, I believe in forgiveness…but this is a big reason and result as to young athletes getting out too early and being entrusted with millions and not having the right guidance from others to keep him on the right path. The Colts proved that flashy players doesn’t always mean a Ring. Peyton and the Colts organization showed class and leadership from everyone on the TEAM - and the result is a Ring ! Come on Falcons leaders. Step up and do the RIGHT thing for your TEAM not just for Vick !

By Rodney51

July 19, 2007 2:13 PM | Link to this

DB—-How can you throw politics into this? Have you been to Iraq? I have. I still wear the uniform proudly. I have actually been to Iraq twice. Overall, the military still supports President Bush 100%. If you look at the next election, most of the military will vote Republican once again.

As for Bush….He sent us to Iraq based on Intelligence he was receiving, and then based on a decision that he felt would be the best for this country and for the middle east. Right or wrong, he has been man enough to stick with his decision. As for a comparison, there is none. What Intell did Vick use for his decision making? In what aspect did Vick feel that being involved in a felony of dog fighting would assist our country or anyone else? DP—-Think twice before writing something so stupid.

By Old school Al

July 19, 2007 2:14 PM | Link to this

OJ Simpson…Ray Lewis…Kobe Bryant…(Con)Vick…Soon, Jesie Jackson and Al Sharpton will enter the fray. Guess what they will be screaming about??

By War Damn Eagle!

July 19, 2007 2:16 PM | Link to this

Hey “By Hateville AT AJC SPORTS” you ever heard of a dictionary or Thesaurus before brother, or are you trying to mix Ebony & phonics again? A Mind is a terrible thing to waste- you been burning spliffs with MV7? Good luck when you leave the unemlployment office after using their computerzzzz! (Can you hear me now)? Stupid is as stupid blogs!

By T

July 19, 2007 2:16 PM | Link to this

Presumed innocent or not, how many more chances are we going to give this thug to embarrass our city? Football is just a game, and it’s certainly not worth the exorbitant amount of money spent on people who have very little intelligence and the basic abilities to throw and catch a ball. Ironic isn’t it, that my dogs can do the same thing? Perhaps we should euthanize Michael and put him out of his miserable existence. It would be a more humane treatment than he afforded the animals in his care.

By ted

July 19, 2007 2:17 PM | Link to this

And this went on because local officials looked the other way, or worse.

Humane organizations have been receiving tips and passing them on to local law enforcement for years. Nothing happened.

Millions of dollars passed through that dogfighting operation every year, and NOT A DIME in taxes was paid. Everyone in Surry Va got cheated, everyone in the state of Virginia got cheated, every citizen in this country got cheated.

The local animal control officer visited the operation in the past, saw it, did nothing. The prosecutor refused to execute search warrants, and tried to discourage the Feds by screaming “racism” and any other cover-up attempt possible.

Dogfighting goes on because local officials don’t uphold the laws, and that includes the TAX and BUSINESS laws.

This is going on in lots of states besides Virginia. In parts of Georgia (just as one example) the local sheriff will shut down investigations of dog fighting because his brother is in the racket, and when a dog fight is busted, people like the local school principal or mayor will be found as attendees at the fight.

Making money and not paying taxes.

LOCAL CORRUPTION is what keeps dogfighting alive & thriving.

(and those people will ALWAYS try to deflect attention by insisting that we should be talking about wars or people instead. They want their money!)

By David Duke

July 19, 2007 2:18 PM | Link to this

Vick is done for! He’s already indicted on two Fedral felonies and there will be more. You black apologists get all stupid whenever blackie is accused of something and you want to accept some fictionalized excuses. he’s guilty and he’s going to prison!

By RH

July 19, 2007 2:18 PM | Link to this

Anyone who has agents coming to their home on a drug search and finds a mountain of evidence for dog fighting is going to be investigated. Plain and simple. It does not matter if you are black, white, indian, asian, middle eastern, or whatever. Some “thug” called attention to the home and a search was ordered, and by dumb luck they stumbled upon Bad Newz Kennels. This was not a conspiracy against the black man.

By Judge Lance Ito

July 19, 2007 2:18 PM | Link to this

Too bad the trial is in Virginia and not California. I haven’t been heard from since the OJ’s criminally laughable “Not guilty” verdict!

By Scott Bowden

July 19, 2007 2:19 PM | Link to this

Vick is a piece of garbage who deserves to be locked in a prison cell and treated like he treated those poor animals. What a scumbag. It doesn’t take much of a man to beat up on helpless animals. What a joke of a human being.

The fact that the Falcons continue to pay him shows what a pathetic organization they are running. Anyone who attends a Falcons game and cheers for Vick is supporting animal cruelty.

By db

July 19, 2007 2:21 PM | Link to this

Jason - That’s not my logic. I’m not saying that the President during ‘ALL’ wars are thugs…

The war in Iraq was based on lies to force a political and personal aggenda by Mr. Bush and his croonies. By his own aggenda, he plays a role in the deaths of all soliders involved in HIS war. That sir, is a THUG.

By RH

July 19, 2007 2:21 PM | Link to this

Most of us believe in forgiveness. Most of us beleive in punishment for wrong doing. You can believe in both and not be a racist.

By G

July 19, 2007 2:26 PM | Link to this

All Atlanta pro franchises should migrate to cities with a larger and more dedicated fan support. Atlanta doesn’t deserve a pro franchise in any sport. The city needs a cleansing, until they are ready to properly support a team. Arthur should move the Falcons to LA or Oklahoma. Better yet, Vick would look good in a Dallas Cowboy uniform, and a SB ring to go with it. GO COWBOYS!

By John Ayoub

July 19, 2007 2:27 PM | Link to this

I bet half the people writring about how much they hate Vick for dogfighting had meat at lunch. Pigs are lot smarter then dogs, and in many countries considred just as tasty. At least with Dog-fighting you give the animal a “fighting” chance. Get over it people, Vick isn’t that smart and he is not that good an NFL QB whether he was involved in dogfighting or professional thumbwrestling. DJ Shockly is taking us to the super bowl!!!! GO BIRDS

By Zeek

July 19, 2007 2:28 PM | Link to this

I hate dogs, cats, and all animals for that….Who cares if they all were turtured and killed……..it wouldn’t bother me one bit. What’s the different between dogfighting and deer hunting? White people deer hunt more than blacks is the only thing i can think of?
Let’s go Falcons………Do your thing Vick!!!!

By Chuck Bednarik

July 19, 2007 2:29 PM | Link to this

Too bad Vick wasn’t around in the days when the TEAM was larger than anything or anyone else. Assuming Vick could actually grasp that concept (not to mention any “non-schoolyard” playbook), how long do you think he would have lasted under coaches like Lombardi, Halas, Brown, Shula, Landry, Ditka, Walsh, and Vermeil? By the way, I wonder why all of those coaches have NFL or Super Bowl Championship rings?

By Doug w/o U is Dog

July 19, 2007 2:31 PM | Link to this

*If convicting MV put an end to dogfighting all over the US, then punishing him and letting others all over the US go free would be the better thing. This is from a real dog’s lover point of view. At least someone is the scapegoat and we dog lovers appreciate the sacrafice MV. Also, if anyone else dare put dogs up to fight,fine them heavily under the MV law. Ruff, ruff. rrruufff.

By RH

July 19, 2007 2:31 PM | Link to this

Who gives a darn about what the definition of a “thug” is. Vick is a criminal. Look up the definition of that you jacka**

By Doug w/o U is Dog

July 19, 2007 2:31 PM | Link to this

*If convicting MV put an end to dogfighting all over the US, then punishing him and letting others all over the US go free would be the better thing. This is from a real dog’s lover point of view. At least someone is the scapegoat and we dog lovers appreciate the sacrafice MV. Also, if anyone else dare put dogs up to fight,fine them heavily under the MV law. Ruff, ruff. rrruufff.

By june_baby

July 19, 2007 2:33 PM | Link to this

ALL OF U PEOPLE WHO GO TO SLASHER MOVIES, HAVE THE NERVE TO SPEAK OF SOMEONE BEING BLOODTHIRSTY OR ZEALOUS IN THE TAKING OF LIFE WHILE YOU KEEP THIS GENRE OF SMUT GOING. SHAME ON U ALL. PETA WORRIES ABOUT ANIMALS, WHILE LITTLE CHILDREN ARE BEING GRUESOMELY KILLED ALL OVER THE WORLD. I FIND THIS HARD TO UNDERSTAND.

By Piper

July 19, 2007 2:33 PM | Link to this

MIKE VICK IS A THUG

By RH

July 19, 2007 2:34 PM | Link to this

Zeek, it would not bother us that much if you were to disappear off the face of the earth either. Did you ever stop to think about that.

By Brian L.

July 19, 2007 2:35 PM | Link to this

Conspiracy or no conspiracy doesn’t matter. Black or White, doesn’t matter. He’s our QB and he broke laws that the public sees as being very gruesome and he got caught.

Joey Harrington, get your arm loose…

By RH

July 19, 2007 2:40 PM | Link to this

june_baby, that seems like an entirely different issue. I think watching a movie and torturing and killing animals for pleasure and $ are 2 different things. Where did all you people come up with your comparisons. Did any of you get the slightest education?

By War Damn Eagle!

July 19, 2007 2:41 PM | Link to this

Hey By Zeek, please see my last post to “By Hateville AT AJC SPORTS” English is the language we speak here in a civilized country not EBONICS, try it! Also G You’re an idiot Enough said!

By Brian L.

July 19, 2007 2:41 PM | Link to this

how you feel about animals is your business…but you want to know what the difference really is. Deer hunting is not a felony. Vick (of whom I WAS a HUGE fan) felt like so many others that the law did not apply to him. The waste of talent is a shame.

By Jason

July 19, 2007 2:42 PM | Link to this

Yeah I had meat today for lunch. However my ham was not conceived when its mother was tied to a “Rape Stand.” My ham wasnt poked and prodded in order to make it meaner. My ham was not made to fight another Pig while Humans bet on the winner, and my Ham was not electrocuted by its owner, the only person in the world that it wanted to please.

By RH

July 19, 2007 2:46 PM | Link to this

june_baby, I will explain to you. There are many many organizations designed to help needy children who are abused, neglected, tortured, raped or molested. PETA decided to try and protect pets in the same way other organizations decided to try and protect children. You see, if you focus “all” your efforts on 1 group, the added effort does not produce any more results. It’s similar to economies of scale. You also neglect every other needy group in the process. Since their are many organizations that help children, PETA or the founder decided they would try to make sure animals were treated fairly. Now that is not too hard to understand is it?

By Common sense

July 19, 2007 2:47 PM | Link to this

Let’s see: Four individuals named “Ookie”; “P-Funk”; “T” and “Q”. GUILTY AS CHARGED!!!!!

By Brian L.

July 19, 2007 2:47 PM | Link to this

Let me try to explain this to you all very simply again….

Deer Hunting ~ not a felony Eating meet ~ not a felony going to “slasher movies” ~ not a felony.

If MV had woken up that morning and gone hunting, killed a deer, cleaned said deer, cooked said deer, rented Texas Chainsaw Massacre, and invited his girlfriend over….

Our Falcons might still have their best player.

Since he decided to invite over his gambling buddies and drown a few pit bulls (FELONY) he’s probably going to jail.

See how simple? No black, white, thugs, drugs, race, or intelligence involved. Just a clear case of morals and respect for the law.

By RH

July 19, 2007 2:48 PM | Link to this

june_baby, I forgot to ask? Which organization that helps children are you affiliated with?

By Scott Case

July 19, 2007 2:48 PM | Link to this

june_baby Thats the funniest thing I’ve read in a while. The comedy writes itself. Thugs and rednecks are funny to me. I myself hate Mike Vick but I think dogfighting is a perfectly acceptable form of recreation. Call me crazy.

By Nate

July 19, 2007 2:49 PM | Link to this

All I know is>>> D.J. Shockley has got to be the man. I know he’s better than any of those other guys on the roster.

By Magneto

July 19, 2007 2:50 PM | Link to this

june_baby,

Slasher movies, children dying all over the world have nothing to do with this major sports story on this sports blog. You would talk if Vick led us to the Super bowl so why don’t you want to talk about him getting a federal indicment? One of the faces of the NFL is being charged with a federal crime, that is major news that even you would care about if he was white or on somebody else’s team. Bringing up issues that have nothing to do with this is a cowardly act that attempts to hide from accepting the fact that your boy is an idiot.

By NASDAQ

July 19, 2007 2:51 PM | Link to this

I will have my Vick jersey on at the first home game, I wonder if that’s gonna be a problem for anyone?

By A-ville Ranger

July 19, 2007 2:53 PM | Link to this

Zeek here’s hoping the lord sees fit to take you before you act on your sick psychosis,if you haven’t already.I thought the ajc was monitoring these post.How did a piece of human(or subhuman)garbage like you get posted ? They should do their civic duty and bring you to the attention of authorities.

By ken from virginia

July 19, 2007 2:55 PM | Link to this

I grew up near Savannah and we idolized the Falcons as kids. But I don’t want any kid of mine or any kid I know to idolize Michael Vick. The charges, if true, show him to be a vicious, conscienceless, depraved sociopath. Otherwise known as one sick f*&%. In Virginia, where I live now, some people are saying something’s wrong at Va Tech, but most people have seen enough of the Vick family’s shenanigans to be convinced that something’s wrong in the Vick family. The stuff about hunting is absurd—I grew up with hunters. It’s a skill and a sport, and while there are plenty of exceptions with assault rifles and spotlights in the woods, hunters are some of the truest stewards of the wild we have in this society. Michael Vick? If he did this, he’s just plain evil.

By Darrin "The Vent King"

July 19, 2007 2:55 PM | Link to this

Where was Rep. Lantos, all this fuss, massive media coverage and outcry when this occured:

“Leonard Antonio Little (born October 19, 1974 in Asheville, North Carolina) is an American football Defensive End who currently plays for the St. Louis Rams of the NFL. He attended the University of Tennessee.

After a drunken birthday in 1998, NFL star Leonard Little crashed into and killed another motorist, Susan Gutweiler. When tested, his blood alcohol level measured 0.19 percent. Little received 90 days, four years probation and 1000 hours of community service. Six years later, after the involuntary manslaughter conviction was wiped from his record, Little was again arrested for drunk driving and speeding. Little was acquitted of those subsequent charges on a technicality. Little only has made two Pro Bowls, but many people think he was worthy of more. On Week 11 of the 2006 NFL season, Little signed a 3-year extension with the Rams.”

Tell that dead woman’s teenage boy that a dog is more worthy of this type press than when this man killed his mother and see how quickly you get nearly slapped. What Vick did is wrong, but the way you all are drumming up support to have him hung is just as shameful IMO. We all know what this is REALLY about and that is also sickening. Vick should not have his life ended, threatened, or mocked anymore than this L Little guy. Think about that before you come out to protest at the Dome that even though what Vick was extremely foul and deserves punishment, but the way you are celebrating his downfall is just as sick. We know why too.

By Nique

July 19, 2007 2:55 PM | Link to this

Was i the only one who heard the informate who claims his dog fight Vick’s dog & won say that he personally knows of 20-30 other NFL players in the league right now who are in the league who are also involved in dog fighting? If so doesn’t it make you wonder why Vick’s the only one being indicted or even investigated? & someone please tell me when & WHY ppl on here act as if a animals life is more vaulable than a humans?

By Scott Case

July 19, 2007 2:56 PM | Link to this

Some people might claim that I do not like MV because he is black…Not true. It’s because he is from Virginia(bottom feeders). And why do I think dog fihjting is ok. Because dogs are one level above midgets and one below lawyers and bats(it was a tie). Plus I am an addicted gambler. What are you gonna do. June_baby I love you..Keep up the good work. The punchline has open mic on Wed night. If you would just get up and talk for 5 minutes about any subject I’m sure they would book you.

By Msboo

July 19, 2007 2:59 PM | Link to this

Michael Vick is not the “only reason the world knows about the Atlanta Falcons” nor is he the reason for the teams OK success. Sure, he is great and fun to watch, but the last time I checked, there was a lot more to a team than just the QB. Where would he be without his line etc?? One person doesn’t make a team. IF he is the only reason the Falcons are known, they might want to rethink their position as I sure wouldn’t want to be known for something like this.

By Phillip in Nashville

July 19, 2007 2:59 PM | Link to this

Anyone that states Mr. Vick is caught up in a racial thing, or states that dog fighting is a black sport is quick to play the race card. We have both dog and c** fighting here in Kentucky and I have attended both events in south Georgia and Arkansas. I am a native american indian. The events I have attended had predominantly caucasian crowds. Mr. Vick is an exceptional athlete who has made a series of very poor decisions. Anyone of his stature in the public eye must be aware of their actions and how they are percieved by the public. Due to the graphic inhumane accusations against Mr. Vick he has seriously jeopordized his future. Simply put he is badly damaged goods. Too bad for him and the Atlanta organization. I predict he will be convicted.

By ExVickFan

July 19, 2007 2:59 PM | Link to this

Come on guys….please don’t blame this stuff on anyone group of people. Dogfighters are a diverse group. People of all ages, races and backgrounds are involved. One of the things I love about dogs is that they are not prejudice. They love their owners no matter what. That is what makes this story so sad. Those dogs probably wagged their tails when they saw those idiots coming and the dogs had no idea they were soon to be slammed, drowned and shot. There is a place in hell for people full of such evil.

By Scott Case

July 19, 2007 3:00 PM | Link to this

NASDAQ. As long as the corporation that made the jersey is publicly traded on the NYSE or AMEX. If it is on the NASDAQ I’m afraid you will have to be shot. Sorry …rules are rules..My hands are tied on this one

By G

July 19, 2007 3:04 PM | Link to this

I will agree with you rednecks and fairweather fans about one thing………DJ Shokley is a worthy backup. He has the skills for the job “if needed”. However, “his type” of black folk is acceptable to you people.

By ExVickFan

July 19, 2007 3:05 PM | Link to this

Zeek, why are you full of such hate? What did cats and dogs ever do to you? Geez, this blog is too hateful. I am out of here. God Bless all of you!

By RY

July 19, 2007 3:05 PM | Link to this

Excellent point JT. Dunn, Brooking and the others are all around good guys and good athletes who have to suffer 7 days before camp because of one person.

By animal lover

July 19, 2007 3:06 PM | Link to this

Why is dog fighting illegal and dog racing legal and acceptable? For the record, I believe that BOTH should be illegal. Each ‘so-called’ sport is involved in the cruel treatment of the participaing animals. The training in both events are almost identical. Even in dog racing, if the dog is a ‘lemon’, he is ‘disposed of’ and typically not in a very painless manner (do your research and see; and I’ve seen it first-hand).

Apparently the difference between right and wrong is the money involved. Typically dog fighting is linked to poor, backwoods gambling and dog racing is linked to the weathly gambling. That makes it all better in the eyes of the law; I guess…

The reason why I bring this topic up, is because I keep hearing the argument that dog fighting is deplorable because it’s a felony, and killing other innocent animals due to ‘recreational’ means such as hunting for sport is legal. Why does that make it any ‘less’ wrong morally? They’re BOTH cruel…

Just a thought

By ChanteviusDeAndreOctogon Jackson

July 19, 2007 3:06 PM | Link to this

Pleese let mikell vik pley futbal cinse i be a hooge mikell vik sappota. I be luvin mikell vick and luv da wey he be frowin the futbal.

By a former fan

July 19, 2007 3:09 PM | Link to this

Scott Case/Doc Hill Most of the pro Vick post are more sad than anything.The ones I’m referring to are the obvious illiterates.Your type is the worst of the lot though.You’re not immoral your amoral.Immoral is a weakness,amoral is another word for a sociopath.They are the enablers to the immoral half wits.The sooner natural selection ends your bloodlines the better.

By Magneto

July 19, 2007 3:09 PM | Link to this

Darrin “The Vent King”,

The story you posted doesn’t have a d@mn thing to do with this. Our starting QB is indicted on federal charges for animal cruelty. Unfortunately there are a lot of cases like the one you pointed out, but none of them have anything to do with what is currently going on with our starting quarterback Michael Vick.

Please do not use other people’s tragedy to scapegoat this issue, deal with it.

By Brian L.

July 19, 2007 3:10 PM | Link to this

Nique….I think you’re right and those other 20-30 players have probably already contacted their lawyers. There will be much more to come from this story for sure.

By Desamsonite Jackson- Williams

July 19, 2007 3:11 PM | Link to this

Pleese let mikell vik pley futbal cinse i be a hooge mikell vik sappota. I be luvin mikell vick and luv da wey he be frowin the futbal.

By Dan

July 19, 2007 3:11 PM | Link to this

Maddy

Congratulations on spelling all but two words correctly in your eloquent and insightful post.

By Scott Case

July 19, 2007 3:13 PM | Link to this

I agree with G. Shockley is nuthin but an “uncle tom” It’s actually quite a good read, but I digress. You know what is really funny. Go to the gas station at the corner of Boulevard and Irwin. Watch the interaction between the black people and the Indian gas station owner. When niether can understand the other, step in to translate. Then say totally different s** than what they are trying to say. When a fight breaks out, call 911.