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If Andruw bolts, welcome Hunter ‘home’


Terence Moore

Ideally, Andruw Jones stays with the Braves. Not only after this season as a free agent, but forever. Still, if he decides to bolt to the highest bidder with his mighty bat and magic glove, his replacement makes too much sense.

Torii Hunter.

“Me, playing in Atlanta?” said Hunter, with wide eyes, during a chat last week before a game involving his Minnesota Twins in Anaheim. He laughed, saying, “Kind of getting ahead of things with that thought, but if I could go to Atlanta, I’d be highly visible. People would get a chance to see my face as an African-American, and they definitely would get more of the African-American population coming to games.”

That’s African-Americans, Caucasians, Asians, Samoans, Martians.

Everybody loves Hunter. In fact, nobody in baseball is more engaging than this center fielder with six consecutive Gold Gloves in eight full seasons. Jones has nine straight in 10 seasons. And while the 30-year-old Jones is a more prolific slugger, the 31-year-old Hunter has a higher career batting average and swifter legs. If you add all of that to Hunter’s fan-friendly ways, he is a public relations dream for anybody.

He is also a pending free agent, and his Twins, who host the Braves in a three-game interleague series starting tonight, are suggesting they haven’t the funds to keep him.

So listen to this: If Hunter can’t stay with the Twins, he said he wouldn’t mind joining the team he idolized as a youth growing up in Pine Bluff, Ark. He was so much into it while watching TBS that he wore a Braves jersey on June 3, 1993, the day of the major league draft that year.

“I was sitting there thinking I was going to get picked by the Atlanta Braves,” said Hunter, nodding. “I was hoping I would get picked by the Atlanta Braves.”

The Twins got Hunter instead. Even so, the Braves still could make Hunter’s smile blind the sun even more than it does.

With no Jones, they could sign Hunter, but they likely won’t.

See, there is something else you should know about this guy: He owns an honest tongue, and he isn’t afraid to flap it. In other words, he’s a David Justice clone.

We’re talking about the same David Justice who was dealt by the Braves’ Designated Geniuses in his prime for having too much of a tutti-frutti personality in their preferred world of vanilla.

Just last week, when others blasted former Braves outfielder Gary Sheffield for saying many of his fellow African-American players were being replaced by Latin players for various reasons, Hunter agreed with Sheffield. Hunter also went further by saying baseball will lack African-American players within 10 years.

Somewhere, after hearing Hunter’s words, John Schuerholz was probably leading the Braves’ braintrust in a collective cringe.

We can hope, though.

“Atlanta has a big part of my past, because my granddaddy made me watch the Braves all the time, so I was kind of brainwashed with them,” said Hunter, chuckling. “I couldn’t go outside and play, because my granddaddy made me watch what the Braves were doing.

“Terry Pendleton in the eighth or ninth inning getting clutch base hits. I’ve got David Justice in my head hitting two home runs in a game a couple of times. Ron Gant, his power surges for a month at a time.”

What about Hunter becoming the next Andruw Jones? “I would love to, but, wow, he was there for so many years, and even if he leaves, he’s going to leave that mark in center field,” Hunter said. “It’s going to be like, ‘This was Andruw Jones territory.’ I’d have to come in and fill his void. I don’t know if I want to do that. I’ve got my own name. I’ve done my own thing, so it would be tough to go to Atlanta and play after what Andruw has done.”

Then Hunter thought, then thought some more, before saying, “Man, I’ve got so many friends from Pine Bluff in Atlanta, maybe 40 or 50. I also have a couple family members there and a couple of ex-teammates. I wouldn’t be a stranger. It would be right at home for me.”

So come on home.

You know, if the Braves’ honchos don’t lock the door.

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By BnB

June 11, 2007 9:13 PM | Link to this

terrence=zzzzzzzzzz

By TennesseePaul

June 11, 2007 9:23 PM | Link to this

Moore: To do some real justice for the cause you should meantion all of what Sheff said. Put the shoe on the other foot and you might just write a scathing article about the matter. In other words, you have a double standard.

Other than that, if Andruw Jones chooses to leave Atlanta, Hunter wouldn’t be a bad replacement. But, for the same reasons Andruw would be leaving, Hunter probably wouldn’t be coming. Finances are supposed to be too tight to afford AJ, how would we afford Hunter?

By KD

June 11, 2007 9:23 PM | Link to this

Valid point Mr.Moore, we don’t take to his kind down here!!!!!

By Matthew at the SLC

June 11, 2007 9:26 PM | Link to this

Andruw’s sorry butt should have been shipped out of here 2 years ago. He is the biggest rally killer on the team.

Good Riddance Lard A$$!

By Chris Brown

June 11, 2007 9:26 PM | Link to this

Terence another stellar column. Although I hate to see Jones bolt for GREENER pastures, I would love for the Braves to get Hunter. But we all know John Schuerholz gets rid of anyone with a dark pigment that doesn’t speak a foreign language. I think a guy with some spunk will help the Braves in the playoffs…that’s all they are missing. But the brain trust will not allow an African-American to be the face of this franchise. Sad, but true!

By bb

June 11, 2007 9:28 PM | Link to this

i dont think i want anyone on this team who agrees with sheffield’s asinine comment.

By Bill

June 11, 2007 9:35 PM | Link to this

They don’t need Tori Hunter or Andrew Jones. The Braves need to spend their resources on pitching. They can find a good and cheap CF.

By UNKNOWN HINSON

June 11, 2007 9:53 PM | Link to this

SHEFFIELD AND HUNTER ARE GREAT PLAYERS, EXCEPT FOR SHEF WHEN HE WENT 3 FOR 30 SOMETHING IN THE PLAYOFFS FOR US. HOWEVER, BOTH ARE ALWAYS TALKIN, TALKIN, TALKIN. BRINGING IN NY CAMERA’S TO BOBBY’S DUGOUT ASKING WHAT HE THINKS ABOUT THE RECENT COMMENTS. TERRENCE, WOULD YOU AS A MANAGER WANT THAT? IT’S A DISTRACTION AND THAT’S WHY BOBBY HAS BEEN SO SUCCESSFUL, HE IS AN EQUAL OPPORTUNITY OLD SCHOOL OFFENDER, AND AVOIDS DISTRACTION FOR GOOD REASON. I DON’T THINK IT’S RACE RELATED IT’S BUSINESS RELATED. GRANTED HUNTER SAYS WHAT HE FEELS BUT YOU KNOW BOBBY DOES NOT WANT ANY EXTRA ATTENTION AROUND THE CLUBHOUSE FOR BASEBALL REASONS NOT RACE. PLUS I LIKE OUR NEW DRAFT PICK FOR THAT JOB, AND GUESS WHAT TERRENCE? HE’S BLACK.

By bryan

June 11, 2007 9:56 PM | Link to this

I thought the reason why the braves dealt justice was so we could make room to sign the big 3 long term

By Jt

June 11, 2007 9:58 PM | Link to this

I am an Andruw fan, but he is gone from Atlanta come next year. If you don’t like Tori Hunter-both as a player and a personality- the problem is with you. He would be greatly welcomed by this Braves fan.

By A-ville Ranger

June 11, 2007 10:09 PM | Link to this

Do you have to play the race card on everything ? I was injoying this acticle till I saw where it was going.Did anybody outside Atlanta know who you were before your rabble rousing ? I’m not going to aggravate myself with your self serving bs again. I’m sure Hunter would be welcome here.I think your’s is worn out.

By Bill

June 11, 2007 10:16 PM | Link to this

Another double standard column by a double standard person. We don’t need the sorry butts like Sheffield, Justice or Hunter. I always thought you put your best players on the field regardless of color. I don’t pay any attention to color of skin as long as they can play. What color of skin was 06 & 07 first round draft picks? I believe they were black and I’m proud of both picks. I think they are going to be outstanding prospects. I believe the Braves have about 5 players of color. The Afro-American Community are to blame for not having more kids involved in baseball. How in the world can you blame anyone else? I’m am proud of all our players regarless of color. By the way I’m not a racist.

By Diogenes

June 11, 2007 10:16 PM | Link to this

Mr. Moore, your constant race-baiting is disgusting. Are you truly that obssessed? So sad … and a disgrace.

By Bill

June 11, 2007 10:18 PM | Link to this

Another double standard column by a double standard person. We don’t need the sorry butts like Sheffield, Justice or Hunter. I always thought you put your best players on the field regardless of color. I don’t pay any attention to color of skin as long as they can play. What color of skin was 06 & 07 first round draft picks? I believe they were black and I’m proud of both picks. I think they are going to be outstanding prospects. I believe the Braves have about 5 players of color. The Afro-American Community are to blame for not having more kids involved in baseball. How in the world can you blame anyone else? I’m am proud of all our players regarless of color. By the way I’m not a racist.

By A-ville Ranger

June 11, 2007 10:23 PM | Link to this

Let me add,I heard Hunter’s comments that there would likely be no black Americans in the game in 10 years.By his logic that teams can sign players in hispanic countries cheaper.The exact same forces are working against white Americans as well.How about it Mr Moore does your conspiracy theory have a convoluted answer for that ? Maybe teams would pay whites but not blacks the higher signing cost.That must be it,we’re all out to get you.

By The Grinch

June 11, 2007 10:32 PM | Link to this

Terrence, I’ve got news for you. Andruw, Harris, Renteria and Rafael Soriano are all black. Andruw’s blacker than Sheffield, and the other three are blacker than you. None of you are “African-Americans;” none of you emigrated from Africa. Andruw would be the closest thing to one having come from and island off the coast. I’m not a “Scotch-Irish” American, I’m an American. I’m white. You’re black. We’re both human beings. Guess what else: nobody besides you, Sheffield, Torii Hunter and the Rainbow/PUSH coalition gives a rat’s @$$ what color the Braves are, as long as they’re good players and good people. You’re smarter than that, Terrence, and I know you just write the crap you write so you can get on “Rome is Burning,” but I’m tired of reading it. Try some honest journalism every now and then, instead of copping out with race-baiting nonsense.

By Jeff in Roswell

June 11, 2007 10:35 PM | Link to this

What in the hell is wrong with this guy? Does anyone know? Seriously… what gets into a person that all they talk about is somebody holding a black man down? Terence, the ONLY reason African Americans are not playing the game is because THEY DON’T WANT TO! You know damn well that if they have talent and can play at this level then they will be there! MLB teams don’t give a damn what the color of your skin is - they just want guys that will produce. You are SICK to believe anything else. Why are you even writing about sports? It’s crystal clear what you really want to be writing about. Get some nads and go write a book about racism. Anything - anything that will get you away from the sports column. Why the AJC hasn’t booted you before is beyond comprehension… oh wait - we’re talking about the AJC here, aren’t we?

By jed

June 11, 2007 10:41 PM | Link to this

yeah…i’ve defended your poiints before, but this sounds like race-baiting to me too. how bout you write about willie harris? what a great story, and he’s from georgia as well.

By Jeff in Roswell

June 11, 2007 10:43 PM | Link to this

I would actually like to see Terence respond to some of these posts. Do you think he will?

By The Truth

June 11, 2007 10:46 PM | Link to this

I’ve always liked Hunter, and wouldn’t mind seeing him in a Braves uniform…but man oh man what a disgusting article. It’s people like Moore who are fueling this racist garbage while the majority of us are trying to progessively get past it. Why don’t you just head out to L.A. and get a permanent seat on the Jim Rome show because your abilities as a journalist are flat out laughable. The Braves just drafted Heyward and have a fan-favorite in Harris…technically speaking, Edgar and Andruw are both dark-skinned as well. Get over it!

By Bruce

June 11, 2007 10:57 PM | Link to this

AJ is not going anywhere. He does not want to play anywhere else. He will take a hometown discount to play here. Drew is not only a great player but also a great peason. In reference to Sheff’s and Hunters remarks, Most people don’t see Drew as black or brown. We see him as him as GREAT. Like the late great Martin Luther King said, I hope to be judged by the content of my heart ruther than the color of my skin. One thing that Mr Jones has, its HEART.

By Bob

June 11, 2007 11:09 PM | Link to this

Lets see. Who did we get in return for David Justice and Marquis Grissom in that trade? I believe it was Alan Embree to help our ever troublesome bullpen. And I think the second guy was uh…..Kenny Lofton. Is Kenny Lofton an Afro-American??? Duh. Also, is Kenny Lofton less “difficult” to deal with than David Justice was? Give me a break. It was a HORRIBLE trade, but it hardly had anything to do with race.

By dexter

June 11, 2007 11:10 PM | Link to this

Hey Grinch,you rigth,Terence usually writes about the race and I’m tired reading that.The blacks,whites,latinos.etc.. are human beings and sons of GOD.All of us are people and those guys are as blacks as SHEFFIELD,HUNTER and others and whats the matter? you ok,TERENCE should write about anothers items,instead write usually about racism,like the people full of complexs.

By TommyBoy

June 11, 2007 11:13 PM | Link to this

Ho hum … the sun rose and the sun set, the wind blew and the grass grew, Terrence Moore wrote a column about the black man being held down.

Seems some things are just part of life, huh? Terrence, you are a talented guy, but is EVERYTHING a racial issue?

I am a HUGE Braves fan and have been for years. I want to see Andruw stay, but if he can’t — bring Torii Hunter on board. What an awesome replacement that would be.

Can’t you just put your argument like that, Terrence?

If the Braves are so racist an organization, why are the YOU the only one to ever say it?

By Not worth it

June 11, 2007 11:19 PM | Link to this

Andruw is not worth $18M/year nor worth $12M/year. He is inconsistent at best when batting and he refuses to make changes with his approach. He always ends up with good numbers but they rarely ever come at the right times. Andruw needs to be in a lineup full of consistent hitters where he can occupy the 7th spot and swing recklessly for the fences. With an $80M payroll, it ain’t going to happen in Atlanta.

I’d take Willie Harris in center if it mean’t getting two good starters in the rotation. Andruw had his time here and produced zero WS titles. Time to change the strategy.

By Ripme

June 11, 2007 11:20 PM | Link to this

I would love to get Toriiand let AJ hit the road. Color? What color? We are all God’s children. Now just play ball.

By Kentavo

June 11, 2007 11:25 PM | Link to this

Where’s the Ken Griffey Jr. will be Andruw’s perfect replacement article? Is that next? I know it’s coming? Do we have to wait unitl we play the Reds?

By Bo

June 11, 2007 11:31 PM | Link to this

I’d take Willie Harris in center for one good pitcher…oh! I’d take him anyway BA 395 and AJ’s BA 210. What a joke.

By Jack

June 11, 2007 11:37 PM | Link to this

You are the dumbest human being ever Mr Terrence Moore.

By Daxxed

June 11, 2007 11:50 PM | Link to this

I have read so much rhetoric about this subject. But seems no one follows the fact. Baseball is a much harder sport to learn and master than basketball. In basketball all you have to do is know how to jump, hit the same bucket time after time in the same location from different areas of the floor. Granted there is allot more running in basketball, but if you are 6’4” or taller then all you need to learn how to do is rebound, block and dunk. And in basketball, which is a minority, dominated sport, which has, stars right out of high school. There is no minor league except college but many skip college or leave early. Why because basketball is easier to master. The ball is as big as your head, the rim is 18 inches and it never moves. You notice there is no Hoopla or Rainbow Push Coalition complaining that there are not enough African Americans in Hockey. Which by the way also has a minor league system to hone skills before becoming a Pro such as Baseball. See in baseball you have to learn to hit a moving object smaller than a fist traveling faster than an auto on the interstate and what to do with it once it is hit or what play to make after it is caught. And many blacks do not want to spend the time perfecting their skills at baseball in the minor leagues when they can play Basketball now. You know it is funny that you never hear much about blacks not being Olympic swimmers, Divers, Snow Skier, Water Skier, Racecar Drivers. It’s so funny that there is a BET (Black Entertainment Television) but there is no WET (White Entertainment Television) there is a Miss Black America, Miss Black USA and even a Miss Black Georgia. But no Miss White anything. So drop the racist crap. If a black kid wants to learn to play baseball and has the talent, the drive and the patience then more power to him. But he does not deserve to be on a team just because the color of his skin. He has to earn it. And I do not care what color skin he has, if he plays I pull for him.

By Drew

June 11, 2007 11:58 PM | Link to this

Can’t the city of Atlanta catch a break on the race issue.

By Kerry

June 12, 2007 12:01 AM | Link to this

This column is proof that any moron can get a job as a sportswriter with the AJC.

By josh stevens

June 12, 2007 12:21 AM | Link to this

I hope all you so called AA’s(african American). I’f you don’t know what AA’s meant. know that terrence moore is useing his little column to rant about race not to try to help his beloved AA’s but use them to futher his own name. This guy only cares about himself and his wallet. If I were an AA I would boycott the ajc. I would call for him to be fired.For basically making all AA’s all over look bad. I mean how long does it take for you AA’S to see what this jerk is doing in your name. The real problem is that most of you AA’s believe in him and his messed up way of thinking. Even though it seems well void of making any kind of sense.

By Can We Get A RACISM-FREE Sports Column in this Town?

June 12, 2007 12:37 AM | Link to this

Hey there, Terence!

Let’s get rid of ALL the Caucasian and Hispanic players on the Braves and replace them with some bruthas! I can stand all those “Casper” and “Taco Bell” players down at Turner Field!

We can even change the name to the CHOCOLATE CITY BRAVES!

Whaddaya say, T-Dog?

Shalom!

Isn’t it about time for your yearly “We Must Trade for Ken Griffey, Jr. NOW Before Atlanta Burns to the Ground” article, Terence?

Terence Moore, you are a racist piece of $#!T. Please take your own life and better our society, Hatemonger.

By TruthHurts

June 12, 2007 12:41 AM | Link to this

Daxxed…you must be kidding. That was a weak argument at best. It’s not about baseball being harder to master. The other sport you mentioned, basketball, does not have the history baseball has with regards to exclusion. After all, baseball has always marketed itself as America’s favorite pastime. And unfortunately, part of baseball’s history is exclusion. And even when baseball moved to inclusion, the players did not all behave as if they wanted black players in the game, i.e., spitting on players, racist remarks, etc.

And just so you know, WET (White Entertainment Television) already exist as 95 percent of all programming is targeted at white consumers. So it’s not about one station, WET is 95 percent of all stations. And I hope your educated enough to know that the events featuring an emphasis on “black” anything were created to showcase black heritage that is almost always misreported by HIStory.

By Mrs. Beans

June 12, 2007 12:53 AM | Link to this

Torii Hunter?

Isn’t he that racist who didn’t want to honor JACKIE ROBINSON and wear his jersey during the MLB celebration a couple of months ago?

Oh, I see, Terence. You’re a one racist simply defending another. ( You Go, BO-EEEEEE!!! ) “Racists of a Feather……” I suppose.

I’ve heard this buffoon, Mr. Hunter, interviewed before. What an uninformed-sounding simpleton! Andruw Jones is much better with English than this egotist who is currently Minnesota’s problem.

By jimmy

June 12, 2007 12:56 AM | Link to this

whats wrong terrence did some mean ol white person treat you fairly when you fully expected a free ride or special treatment. For your unfortunate minority status? I’m sorry you hate white people so much. Because most of us are really good people and don’t deserve to be bullied or railroded. By anyone. Are you trying to pick a fight with all the white people in Atlanta? yea there are some of us left in this hellhole. So come see for your self or are you only seeing in black and white. you are a very sad excuse for a human you make me sick.

By Rosa

June 12, 2007 2:28 AM | Link to this

Terence, does Jesse Jackson pay you by the word?

Spend your silver well, ‘Judas’ Moore.

By TP

June 12, 2007 2:29 AM | Link to this

Judging from the comments I read on this board gives me the impression that most are coming from white folks. Who ever you are, you need to get off of this idea that Terence is racist. He is simple saying that black folks are going to speak their minds on issues that white folks can’t deal with. As an African American, I can relate to where Terence Moore is coming from in his column. I use to work for this dump truck company 5 months ago until I was let go. I remember the day they hired me that I wasn’t going to work for them that long because the person who did the hiring would call the black drivers bud. To me, that is a slur term white people use to make you feel little. I put up with it for a little while until I couldn’t take it any more. I confronted him by letting him know that I didn’t want him calling me bud anymore. I told him that I am a 44 year old man and that I would like to be treated like one. Well, 3 weeks later, I was fired. Guess what excuse they gave me for letting me go? They told me I had too many blow-outs. I told him to prove it, but he couldn’t because he claim he didn’t have my driver’s record in front of him. I shook his hand and went home. See, they have a track record of firing black drivers so it didn’t matter if they fired me or not. Again, I understand TM column.

By mt

June 12, 2007 3:24 AM | Link to this

TP and TRUTH HURTS you took the words right out of my mouth. Great posts. T. Moore keep up the good work, you are doing a great job.

By Terrell in the ATL

June 12, 2007 3:38 AM | Link to this

TP, get that chip off your shoulder, “Bud.” You are WAY too sensitive. Please seek professional help before you take all that blind rage at the world and hurt someone.

FYI: Georgia is a “Right to Work” State. Your employer can fire you for any reason they choose, ESPECIALLY if you act like a complete @$$ to your boss. Welcome to Reality, “Bud.”

Obviously, it was more important to you to be a jerk to your boss, regardless of whether he/she was a jerk to you, than it was for you to maintain a regular paycheck at that job until you found something better. However, you now want to BLAME WHITE PEOPLE for your own stupidity. Man you ARE dumb, TP.

Not everyone in this world is entitled to kiss your rear end so you can feel good about yourself, TP, so STOP expecting it.

p.s. Gary Sheffield is asking you to get your lips off his jock so he can go belittle some more Hispanics.

p.p.s.

Q: How do circumcise TP?

A: Kick mt in the jaw.

By Ed Amiss Jr

June 12, 2007 3:47 AM | Link to this

If Andruw splits, Tori would be GREAT. AWESOME.

By Scott

June 12, 2007 4:19 AM | Link to this

You people are so damn freaking NUTS. You don’t think the Braves would want a black player as the face of the franchise? Hank freaking Aaron? You ever heard of him? The guy with the statue out front of Turner Field. The same Hank Aaron of 755 Hank Aaron drive? You know that guy? The black guy from Mobile, Alabama? He’s the ultimate Brave and the guy everyone thinks about when you mention the Braves.

And Torrie Hunter wouldn’t be the face of the franchise anyway. He’s not that good. John Smoltz and Chipper Jones are the face of the franchise and will be until they retire. And Torrie Hunter will probably cost too much for the Braves to sign and the Braves already have a prospect ready to take over centerfield. His name is Brandon Jones and get this, the guy is BLACK!!!! That’s right, a real black person!!!! People just like to start crap up and it makes me ashamed to be black sometimes.

By TP

June 12, 2007 4:30 AM | Link to this

mt, why don’t you just call me n**** or boy? My grandfather was called n**** in his time on a regular basics. Then white they narrow it down to boy during my daddy’s time. Now it’s bud in my time. I wonder what slur term they will use during my sons time. I have a home and a business of my own so I’m doing ok for myself. My youngest son is a jurior at Savannah State and my oldest son did 2 years in college and continuing to get his degree as a computer technician. So calm yourself down before you commit a criminal act.

By Bill

June 12, 2007 5:55 AM | Link to this

I am white and I don’t like to hear anyone called n——- but can you explain to me that’s it’s o.k. for a black to call another black that name. This is 2007 and what is wrong with calling some bud or boy. I’ve done that all my life and I don’t mean anything by it. I’ve heard blacks call each other boy, so where is the problem. Everyone need to get a life and not be so pickey.

By edward

June 12, 2007 6:14 AM | Link to this

TP. I am wondering where you get that “bud” is racist?? I am white and have been called “bud” many times. You never explained either what “bud” means. So how do you know it is racist? I use the term “african-american” but it feels silly to me at the same time. If you or your parents came from africa, yes, I see the point. I am Russian,French,and Italian. So what does that make me? I was born in the United States, so that makes me American. I suspect you are too. Get over it. “bud” is a name alot of people are called, white,black,asian…If you want to see more african-americans playing baseball, tell them not to go for the fast money of basketball and football and stick with baseball.

By TP

June 12, 2007 6:56 AM | Link to this

To Bill and edward. The question is, do you know what bud mean? If not, then why call someone something that you don’t know the meaning of. I chose to be call by my name. If a black person don’t mind being call a n**by anther black person, then it’s ok with him. However, if a black person don’t want to be call a n**** by a white person, then it’s not ok. If you have a problem calling someone by what they want to be call, then that’s your business. No one can make you do anything that you don’t want to do. Galatians 6:6,7

By steve

June 12, 2007 7:25 AM | Link to this

Here we go with the race thing again. Can’t you so called “journalists” try another angle once in a while? That’s it, ride a horse ‘til it dies then change riders. What a crock! Keep the pot stirred dumba$$…

By Daxxed

June 12, 2007 7:29 AM | Link to this

TruthHurts you missed the point. The fact is Baseball is open to any race that can master it. It just takes allot more to master Baseball than it does Basketball. The problem is that the majority of black youth of today want to be the next Koby or James and not the next Bonds or Mays. Look at today’s youth. My son plays is 8 years old and plays baseball on a league with over 230 kids. Only 11 black kids played and 1 of them was a girl. And I know there are more black kids in this area than that. It is a parent’s issue of not allowing or directing their children toward the game of baseball. Why? My theory is basketball can be practiced solo. Without the aid of any additional person or equipment while baseball cannot. Put up a goal and rim next to a hard surface toss a kid a basketball and there you have it. They can shoot, dribble and score. Now toss a kid a baseball, oops forgot the glove, know we need a bat. But where do we play. Driveway is too small. And you sure cannot play it alone. Or learn the fundamentals of the game without someone teaching you. But Basketball you can. It all has to do with the direction the parent wants the child to go. Baseball requires assistance and coaching just to learn the fundamentals, Basketball does not. Baseball requires many different skills, Basketball requires few, Baseball requires a team to learn the game Basketball does not. Baseball requires allot more room to play, Basketball does not. You can even play Basketball one on one Baseball you can’t. Fact is baseball requires many different skills to become a Pro while Basketball does not. Basketball is something that can be practiced anytime Baseball is not. Basketball can be played with one goal and still remain fundamentally the same. It’s not a race issue but a Parent issue. Fact is Basketball is a fast track to allot of money while Baseball takes time. Funny thing is their is not anyone complaining that there are not any Indians or Egyptians playing in either sport.

By mart

June 12, 2007 8:00 AM | Link to this

Yeah, Terence, and we ought to sign Albert Pujols to replace Adam LaRoche.

By h_charles

June 12, 2007 8:08 AM | Link to this

What a disgrace. Way to gloss over what Sheffield really said, which was Latino players were suck-up sycophants who are only in the league because they do what they are told. Talk about racist!

By hammerstone

June 12, 2007 8:17 AM | Link to this

Why cant “black men” just think of themselves and everyone else of other genetic origins as simply “men”? I am caucasian, and try my best to see all men and simply men, but so many of the men keep pointing out that they are black unnecessarily. I think the whole issue of race would dissappear if it were simply dropped. When the Super Bowl coaches were asked about the significance of being the first black coaches, I thought it would have been so cool and admirable if they had said “Well to be honest I just think of myself as a man- period”, but of course they continued the trend of being mentally separate. The men who point out their african genes decry the separation that they feel, yet seem to insist on keeping it that way.

By hammerstone

June 12, 2007 8:17 AM | Link to this

Why cant “black men” just think of themselves and everyone else of other genetic origins as simply “men”? I am caucasian, and try my best to see all men and simply men, but so many of the men keep pointing out that they are black unnecessarily. I think the whole issue of race would dissappear if it were simply dropped. When the Super Bowl coaches were asked about the significance of being the first black coaches, I thought it would have been so cool and admirable if they had said “Well to be honest I just think of myself as a man- period”, but of course they continued the trend of being mentally separate. The men who point out their african genes decry the separation that they feel, yet seem to insist on keeping it that way.

By hammerstone

June 12, 2007 8:22 AM | Link to this

h_charles:

so you are saying that Sheffield acknowledged that baseball managers prefer players that are agreeable and not difficult to deal with…..and he is upset about it? THAT makes sense….What a self-absorbed and bitter person. You want to be wanted and liked? Make yourself likeable….That is not selling out- that is being big enough to give of yourself….

By TM is a retard

June 12, 2007 8:25 AM | Link to this

If we can’t afford AJ, how would we get someone thats better. TM, what a retard.

By Lowcountry Bulldawg

June 12, 2007 8:32 AM | Link to this

TM wrote this article to give us sports junkies an alternative to Druw in Hunter. Now we all know, if you have read TM for any extended period of time that he will throw out the race card often. We though as consumers should not let that detract from the main point of Torri Hunter is nothing but class and would be a tremendous asset to the Atlanta Braves. This is the type of sports role model the African American community lacks in Atlanta. Torri Hunter would embrass the role. Lets let TM be TM b/c for better or worse we are stuck with this cat.

By Daxxed

June 12, 2007 8:42 AM | Link to this

TP…the definition of bud is part of a flower or plant, but in slang it is short for buddy: friend, bro, pal, chum, compadre, amigo, companion, etc. I have been called bud and bro many times. Does that mean that someone was being racist and demeening toward me. Shoot and I just thought they were trying to be friendly.

By CM

June 12, 2007 8:52 AM | Link to this

Another pathetic race laced article..can YOU please talk about something else. Of course I suppose as long as ‘we’ respond to your garbage, you’ll keep tossing it up there. Seriously Terence, get over it and write some decent articles.

By Dick

June 12, 2007 8:56 AM | Link to this

Put Willie Harris in center field. Atleast he will take a walk, Jones doesn’t. Chip tickles me, guys on secondand third, two outs they want to pitch carefully as Andrew is on deck. Shoot walk the batter, load the bases—Andrew is going to strike out.

By Rod

June 12, 2007 8:57 AM | Link to this

Terence - typical racist crap. Why are you joining the racist bandwagon questioning why there are fewer and fewer blacks (not African-Americans, as none of them actually came from Africa) in MLB? Why don’t you ask why there are fewer and fewer whites (again, not European-Americans) playing in the NBA? Huh?

By Ken

June 12, 2007 8:59 AM | Link to this

Andruw Jones is the epitome of potential unfulfilled. A lifetime .270 hitter because he refuses to drive the outside pitch to right-center, he could have approached Willie Mays’ level, but he won’t. Unfortunately I see Jeff Francouer also falling in love with the upper deck homer, and his batting average reflects it until Terry Pendleton forces him to focus on driving the ball to the opposite field. As good as Jones could be, his overall impact has been a hindrance.

By Jeffrey

June 12, 2007 9:07 AM | Link to this

Only Terence Moore could turn an topic dealing centered around the Braves’ alternatives in centerfield for 2008 into a racial issue. And when did Moore’s idol worship of David “I can’t hit a curveball” Justice begin exactly?

By Daxxed

June 12, 2007 9:11 AM | Link to this

I have to agree that if NJ bolts, put WH in CF. His batting average is much higher than AJ’s, he knows how to bunt and steal a base, he is much more of a clutch hitter than AJ. And he would cost allot less. We may not have as a spectacular array or artistic dives as with AJ. But we will surely have more hits which wuld lead to more runs. And that money that would be used for AJ could be used to help the pitching staff.

By mikedarwin

June 12, 2007 9:13 AM | Link to this

Since there does seem to be evidence for a decline in black baseball players, the issue to be addressed by the sports world is the “why” question. Regardless of Sheffield’s argument that there is a pro-Hispanic basis, you need to check out the ratio of black to white to Hispanic players at all levels of baseball. For example, I stopped on the way to my truck yesterday and watched 12 teams of t-ballers. I realized that the white to black ratio was over 4 to 1, yet our community is over 30 percent black. I thought it might be due to the time of day and SES, but basketball plays at the same time during the winter and the ratio was 1:1. So why choose basketball which has fewer potential professional positions in basketball than baseball. Could it be due to more college scholarships in basketball? I don’t know, but the difference is showing up at a level where how you talk does matter; if you speak English, then the coaches will love you.

By The Grinch

June 12, 2007 9:20 AM | Link to this

Daxxed, your 8:42 just took the words right out of my mouth. TP, do something different all day besides sitting around watching “Roots” and it will gradually begin to dawn on you that all white people aren’t Simon LeGree. Hey, I get mad every time I watch “Braveheart,” does it mean I should demand special treatment from every British person I meet? Get over yourself. Nobody owes me anything based on my genetics, and nobody owes you anything for the same reason. You owe your employer an honest day’s work just like I do mine. Start putting them in consistently and you’d be surprised how fast the “racism” disappears.

By TP

June 12, 2007 9:21 AM | Link to this

Daxxed, I being waiting for someone like you to come along and not give the word bud it’s true meaning. Bud is an undeveloped embryonic shoot and normally occurs in the axil of a leaf or at the tip of the stem. So tell me, what does that word has to do with a grown man. Are you telling me that as a 44 year old man that he hasn’t developed to adulthood? Do you call every person you meet in every day life bud. If not, explain why.

By keeping it real

June 12, 2007 9:21 AM | Link to this

To fit Terrence’s profile you must be black, born in the USA, english as the first language and must be willing to make loud and shallow statments.

If you want more black Americans playing major league baseball, there would have to be major changes within the black community. For example, south Dekalb is considered one of the weathliest black communities in the US. Where are the little league parks? Where are the black fathers volunteering to coach and run the leagues?

By the way, bud is a term of affection. He was really making a sexual advance towards you.

By Diogenes

June 12, 2007 9:21 AM | Link to this

What you apparently don’t understand, Terrence (and TP, etc.), is that the more you continue to assert these knee-jerk, lame, disingenuous, indefensible, nonsensical race-based arguments, the more you drive many whites to conclude that blacks are nothing but immature, clueless whiners (which I know isn’t the case for ALL black people — some of the finest people I know happen to be black — but you sure make it sound that way at times). Accordingly, we simply tune you out as too laughable and immature to ever take seriously. Do you not understand the serious harm this kind of drivel does to the cause of improving race relations? You come across as throwing a race-based temper tantrum due to a lack of maturity and and critical thinking … is that really what you want?

By Thomas

June 12, 2007 9:23 AM | Link to this

He is the only center fielder I have seen that is better in the field than Andruw Jones.

By jamie

June 12, 2007 9:23 AM | Link to this

You won’t find T.Moore responding to anything written here. He doesn’t even know he has a blog. They pay some guy $6 an hour to take whatever he writes for the paper and post it here.

By matt bignon

June 12, 2007 9:26 AM | Link to this

terrabce, why do you always have to talk about race? just talk about baseball. if anyone is a bigot, it is you!!!!!!!!!!

By matt bignon

June 12, 2007 9:26 AM | Link to this

terrance, why do you always have to talk about race? just talk about baseball. if anyone is a bigot, it is you!!!!!!!!!!

By dawginLex

June 12, 2007 9:28 AM | Link to this

TM,

You started out the column talking about Tori Hunter coming here if Andruw leaves. You fill the column with more of your agenda about poor black folk not getting a chance to succeed.

Give it a rest. Blacks go to school and get an education just like whites and do succeed in life. It’s called America. Give it a rest.

I hear your phone ringing-it’s Rev Al on line 1 and Jesse is holding on line 2. They want to know where to wire your agenda bonus check.

By josh

June 12, 2007 9:28 AM | Link to this

i will go on record as willing to wager any amount of money that mr hunter is comfortable with that in ten years african-americans will remain a presence in MLB. that’s a bet i’d love to take with him.

By esoy2u

June 12, 2007 9:34 AM | Link to this

Some will fall for anything.. there is no such person as an American African. Just a “cute” litle euphemism that has confused everyone about what someone is supposed to be called. Calling the “black box” on an airliner, does not change its color from yellow

By feel the love

June 12, 2007 9:40 AM | Link to this

the hell w/Jones, the hell w/Hunter & the hell w/Terence & his pathetic excuse for a “sports” column. This guy could F-up a bread sandwich. we can’t afford AJ or TH but we CAN afford Carl Crawford of Tampa Bay (who also happens to be black). He’s younger, faster & a lot cheaper than either of the other guys. We should trade Salty, Prado & Hampton to Tampa for Crawford & Scott Kazmir. This solves our issues in center, on the hill & adds another black face to the team so TM will be happy…for a few weeks anyway.

By Dap

June 12, 2007 9:40 AM | Link to this

For those who thinks that the Braves would not like an African American to do well as a Brave is ignorant and racist.

We pull for the Braves. Not a certain color Brave. We want to win.

We don’t care what color the face is. Apparently the only ones who cares is the ones always calling others racist.

Hunter is a great player but he is expensive also.

Get a clue.

By gtfan

June 12, 2007 9:42 AM | Link to this

Using your rainbow coalition, race baiting argument:

Maybe the Hawks should get some more white players, since apparently the colored ones aren’t getting the job done.

Maybe the Falcons should of got rid of Vic and kept Shaub b/c the colored quarterback isn’t getting the job done either.

By biffpocoroba

June 12, 2007 9:46 AM | Link to this

If AJ leaves, his replacement is Brandon Jones who is playing very well in Mississippi. Francoeur or Harris will play CF and the extra dough will be spent on starting pitching.

By Wes

June 12, 2007 9:46 AM | Link to this

Alright, let’s think about this logically instead of racially You already have a bargain standing right next to Andruw in Francoeur, considering his natural position is center field. On top of that, he puts just as many, if not more, fans in the stands than Andruw does. Why pay millions to bring someone in from the outside when you’ve already got the answer on your roster?

By Jeff in Roswell

June 12, 2007 9:47 AM | Link to this

TP You need to broaden your horizons. You have a serious chip on your shoulder if you think “Bud” is anything but a term for addressing someone. I know a guy who’s name is Bud - his real name! Please educate yourself before you blather on and on about things like this. I understand that everyone likes to be called by their own name - I don’t care to be called “sport” or “b!tch” but, I have been called it before by an employer. There are different ways of dealing with it and I chose to tell them that wasn’t my name and I would appreciate being called by my name. Most times they complied and we went on with life.

By braves fan

June 12, 2007 9:50 AM | Link to this

Wow!! TMoore, why don’t you just man up and say what you really want to say? That the Braves are racists. What a fckng studge you are. The lack of african american players is an national issue, not a Atlanta Braves issue. Instead of always pointing the finger at somebody else, why don’t you and all the rest of the african american community take a long hard look in the mirror and see who is really to blame. Baseball is the one major sport that has what amounts to an intern program…the minor leagues. It’s a barrier to taking a poor rural kid or poor inner city kid and making him a bazillionaire overnight. The NBA and NFL do not have this problem and you’ll notice that they are not lacking for, as the wise old sage Gary Sheffield would put it, “black faces with English coming out of their mouths.” The players that are in MLB are people who made a decision to work hard for a little money with the dream of making it big. My point is that YOUR community as a whole is failing at promoting baseball as a sport because it does not have an immediate pay off to those who chose to try it. Sheff mouths off about MLB building baseball academies in Latin countries and laments the lack of such facilities in inner cities. Well if he’d just did a little research, he’d know that MLB just opened such an academy in Compton, CA. You don’t get much more inner city or smack dab in the middle of african americans that need a positive influence and way to make it out than that place. Sheff also misses the fact that in the Atlanta area several academies have been opened thru the graces of guys like Chipper Jones, Brian Jordan and John Smoltz. Maybe if he took a break from criticizing others, he could dip into his vault and get off his own a$$ and open an academy in the Tampa area where he grew up, or the place where “they can’t control us.”

Oh and go f*ck yourself TMoore. You are such a biggoted fool. Vanilla?!?!?

By Greg

June 12, 2007 9:52 AM | Link to this

Hey TM, why don’t we get rid of Chipper, McCann, Francoer, Salt., etc. Obviously, they’re the wrong color. It ain’t about winning and all that anymore, is it?

By braves fan

June 12, 2007 9:56 AM | Link to this

Oh and by the fckn way TMoore…..the Braves #1 pick a few days ago was a local african american kid. There is no racism or vanilla flavor with the Braves, just a lack of african american kids picking up a bat and ball to learn the game….everywhere.

By jason

June 12, 2007 10:05 AM | Link to this

Mr. Moore, I do not like your opinions ever with the exception of this time

By CLear Perspective

June 12, 2007 10:06 AM | Link to this

Terence Moore’s columns always bring out the worst in the black culture. As a lifelong Braves fan, I remember sitting in Fulton County Stadium dozens of times and never missing a Braves game on TV. My grandparents watched the Braves, my parents watched the Braves, I watched the Braves. My favorite player as a kid was Jerry Royster. When we played ball in the yard, I was Royster. When we went to the game, it was Royster’s autograph I was after. My dad’s favorites included Rico Carty and Ralph Garr. My grandfather never got over Eddie Matthews. I remember sitting in the left field stands when Hammerin Hank was in the last few years of his Atlanta tenure and hearing fans ridicule him. Black fans. Calling him names like “lazy n****”. This was the home run king, I could never understand it. In the 90s, I loved the play of Justice, Gant, Pendleton, McGriff, Bream, and of course Maddux, Smoltz, and Glavine. But looking back, I have no memories of race having anything to do with me enjoying watching players like Rowland Office, Sugar Bear Blanks, Jeff Burroughs, or Andy Messersmith. I think Ted Turner probably did more to promote minorities in the Braves organization than anyone in baseball. Not because he was forced to, but because he knew it was the right thing to do. So given the fact that Bill Lucas and Henry Aaron had a big role in the Braves front office for many years, whose fault is it that the Braves don’t have more black players? Mine? Ted Turner’s? The general managers? Bobby Cox? (Heck, Cox got along with Sheffield and Justice better than anyone. And look at the fairness he’s displayed with players like Andruw Jones.) So, if all of the Jesse Jackson/Al Sharpton disciples would get off their rear ends, get serious about being parents, and get your kids involved in Little League……..maybe, just maybe we will continue to see an equal representation of our society in the game of baseball. If not, the Latinos will keep coming, looking for an opportunity……………. God Bless Terry Harper and Larry Bradford!

By Coach

June 12, 2007 10:08 AM | Link to this

You want to do what with who ? Hey , Terence. You are aware of Gregor Blanco and Brandon Jones. Jones is of course , black. Which means , in your manner of thinking , Jones is doomed to be traded. Loauud knowwwwws we dont be wantin no moooo of dem tutti-frutti baseball players in hot lanta ! Yea right , sure and Andruw , Renteria , Willie , Escobar and Soriano must be purple. Or maybe your just wearing rose colored glasses ?

By TP

June 12, 2007 10:11 AM | Link to this

You all better start show me RESPECT right now!!!!! You all OWE ME RESPECT!! It doesn’t matter that I’ve done absolutely nothing to EARN your respect but you all better give it to me!! Otherwise, you shall all feel my rage or be subjected to my passive-aggressive attempts to use religion to put you all down while elevating myself above you all. RESPECT ME.

By jp

June 12, 2007 10:14 AM | Link to this

We all know Moore is a racist. He hasn’t written an article that isn’t racially biased in quite sometime. The sports columnist at the AJC are pretty poor. That’s why I get the NY times now and not the AJC.

But if Andruw were to leave, I think the cheaper investment would be Ichiro. WHy did you not mention him at all moore? The guy is a perennial hall of famer and averages 200 hits a year. Something andruw or Torii couldn’t dream about doing. Ichiro will be cheaper than the other two also.

By Sobecat

June 12, 2007 10:16 AM | Link to this

The real irony is that Terrance wouldn’t even be writing for the AJC except for the color of his skin. His writing his terrible, grammatically and substantively.

By INGY Q BINGLEBOP

June 12, 2007 10:17 AM | Link to this

IT IS A FACT THAT BRAVES ARE RACIST. EVER WONDER WHY MADDUX, GLAVINE, AND SMOLTZ WERE THE BIG 3 IN THE MID 90S AND NOT ANY BROTHERS? SHUERHOLTZ IS RACIST AND BOBBY COX DONT LIKE BLACKS OR MEXICAN IN THE CLUBHOUSE. TORII WOULD LIKE TO COME TO ATLANTA BUT THEY DONT LIKE HIS KIND THERE. HE IS BETTER OFF GOING TO A LIBERAL CLIMATE LIKE THE DODGERS PADRES OR RED SOX.

By Flip

June 12, 2007 10:24 AM | Link to this

Terrence, one of the problems with decreasing numbers of black representation in baseball, is basketball. Kids can get together for a pick-up game of basketball a lot easier than they can get a group together for baseball. Also basketball affords more individual gratification, which plays into the me first mental state that most youth are into today.

By TP

June 12, 2007 10:28 AM | Link to this

Dogenes, be careful what you write.(the more) in your sentence is pass tense. That means white people thought of black people as immature people before this column was written. Let me tell you what immature mean. Taken away a country that didn’t belong to you, taking people by force from their land to do things you wouldn’t do, hang slaves for recreation purpose, didn’t want to share your restrooms, allow women to expose their neckiness on tv to influence our youth, allow gambling on tv knowing it teach grieve amonst our youth, went to Iraq to get their oil, give young able body black women welfare assistence knowing that it has a negative affect in the black communities, attacking 1 man(OJ) instead of letting him reap what he sow and lastly re-elect Bush. I can go on and on, but I’m just too tired. You just setting yourself up for a major fall. One day you will see what I mean. Terrence and Sheffield, don’t stop speaking your minds. You have that right rather they agree with you or not.

By Chris

June 12, 2007 10:28 AM | Link to this

After the Braves traded Dave Justice, he batted 284 and averaged 83 RBIs per season. Respectable, but not some huge missed opportunity for the Braves. Terrence, if you want to complain about losing somebody, you would be better off focusing on Jermaine Dye

By Andrus Fan

June 12, 2007 10:28 AM | Link to this

TERRANCE! Guess what? The Braves just drafted…………….a black player! Please jump off that stinkin’ race card!

Speaking of, Jason Heyward will be a serious asset to the Braves. Watch this kid!

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