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DEL.ICIO.USCould Petrino have second thoughts?
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Jeff Schultz
THE TUESDAY COUNTDOWN…
10: The problem with trying to celebrate Bobby Cox’s record-breaking ejection is that the umpires are going to make him leave the field - and when he gets to the clubhouse, he’s going to be the only one there. Maybe they should leave an ice-cream cake in the fridge?
9: Yankees fans can’t wait for Roger Clemens to start - because then maybe they can catch the Devil Rays.
8: I realize one reason that Bobby Petrino took the Falcons job was because he wanted to see what he could do with Michael Vick for one season. But at what point does he think, “Is this worth it?”
7: No, we don’t know where the DogGate is going. But we know that the Falcons’ entire off-season has been - and will continue to be - disrupted by the investigation. That’s mini-camps, OTAs and meetings when Petrino is trying to implement a new scheme.
6: You, the optimistic Falcon fan, might think: “Training camp isn’t until July. The season isn’t until September.” But this case doesn’t seem close to resolution. Watch how quickly July and September get here.
5: The Evander Holyfield-Lou Savarese fight has been billed, “The Road to the Heavyweight Championship.” I guess, “The Road to Nowhere” would have made the banner too short.
4: Evidence of how far off the radar the Anaheim-Ottawa Stanley Cup final is: NHL officials phoned newspaper beat writers who aren’t traveling to cover the series in hopes of drumming up interest so they would write stories.
3: By the way, for those who poo-poo ESPN’s interview with the dog-fighting insider, saying he’s a bottom feeder and lacks credibility: People - he’s in dog-fighting. Did you think the “insider” would be a nuclear physicist or brain surgeon?
2: But if you really want a reason to turn down the sound on ESPN, here’s one: Keyshawn Johnson.
1: Kobe Bryant is upset that there aren’t any good players around him and the Lakers have a lousy general manager. Gee. Maybe he shouldn’t have chased everybody away.
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By dee
May 29, 2007 11:41 AM | Link to this
you suck schultz
By green tea
May 29, 2007 11:41 AM | Link to this
Wow, was #9 really a sentence? I have no clue what it meant…
By TOM WOLNASD
May 29, 2007 11:44 AM | Link to this
ALL N****
By TOM WOLNASD
May 29, 2007 11:44 AM | Link to this
ALL N****
By Russ
May 29, 2007 11:45 AM | Link to this
The Schaub trade keeps looking worse every day.
By celawjr
May 29, 2007 11:48 AM | Link to this
I find it disheartening that in today’s society we, as Americans, still find it with in ourselves to pass blind judgment. Historically, it has been knee-jerk responses by angry, irrational, and often hateful people and organizations that have led to firings, wrongful convictions, and even death. I am not saying who is guilty and who is not, but I do know that in the media’s court,the idea of guilt has been satisfied with mere accusations. In criminal court you need proof BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT. Some of you may not want to hear this but its true, we all rush to judgment on sensational issues and we are sometimes proven wrong. This reminds me of an old-fashioned lynching of a slave, and its not because Michael Vick is an African American (solely) but because of the blood-in the water feeding frenzy that has taken place and the fact that his life is controlled by the watchful eye of public opinion. If you will allow me I can show you each player’s role. Roger Goodell is the plantation owner, but he just works them he is not really calling the shots. The team “owners” they are the overseer’s, they have to check everyone when they are told by the plantation owner. But that’s never how the lynching takes place, why? because the plantation only runs smoothly when everyone can work, if you take one away you can’t get as much work done. Have you ever heard the story of Emmit Till, or Mack Charles Parker, or Rosewood, or Black Wall Street…well that’s when the lynching takes place. The lynching is caused by an accusation, be it true or false, and that accusation festering like a sore, spreading like wildfire, and outraging the townsfolk. The media is the outraged townspeople, the woman crying rape, and ultimately the lynchmob. They are the one’s that are telling Goodell you better whoop your boy, and Goodell may just be spineless enough to oblige. Do I know if Mike Vick did anything? No (but I he has not been accused of anything and I hope that he did not) and people have been wrong about him before (see water bottle). Do I believe the words of a man that has made a career out of snitching and is now saying people are worried about Vick snitching (well what does that guy have to gain from talking to espn and hell shouldn’t people be worried about him snitching?) I know that right now this seems to be leading toward the lynching of mike vick (not literally) but in effigy by killing his career. Its o.k. to not like him because he went 7-9 or you got mad cause he flipped the bird, My challenge to everyone, including Jeff Schultz, Terrence Moore, and Roger Goodell, is to not make up your mind about his guilt or his innocence w/out any real evidence of wrongdoing and to not play a role in this lynch mob mentality by convicting a man who has not even been charged or accused of a crime.
By green tea
May 29, 2007 11:49 AM | Link to this
Nice editing, you’re welcome nimrod.
By Jonathan
May 29, 2007 11:51 AM | Link to this
Here is my question about the “insider”, in the interview he states without out a doubt he saw Vick in 2000 at a fight waving around $30,000 and $40,000 dollars at a fight. So since Vick wasn’t drafted until April of 2001, should this story be tossed or should we look closer at VT booster club funding.
By Dr.Doom
May 29, 2007 11:57 AM | Link to this
Whether Vick is convicted of anything or not is irrelevant. That fact is, he’s constantly displaying a lack of character, intelligence,and not to mention, passing skills. I would say get rid of him, but that would mean Joey Harrington would be QB: Out of the frying pan and into the fire.
By FREEDOG
May 29, 2007 11:58 AM | Link to this
Introducing the QB for the Atlanta Falcons…
7Mike Convick
By L. M. Hull
May 29, 2007 12:02 PM | Link to this
He was raising fighting dogs but not to have them fight. Yeah, right!
By Gerald Burdette
May 29, 2007 12:03 PM | Link to this
Jeff, it very clear that you are utilizing “Dog-gate” as more ammo in your long-standig agenda to run Vick out of town. The “insider” on ESPN is nothing more than a low-level “snitch.” If you had done only 5 minutes of research on the Surrey County dog-fighting taskforce you would know that they have convicted only three people from over 13 cases and 6 years. Given those statistics, you MUST ask the following questions: 1. how reliable can this “insider” be with this low success rate? 2. If his accusations are so reliable, why haven’t charges been brought? 3. Don’t you find it inconsistent that the “insider” could describe only one incident (over 6 years ago) that he alledgedly encountered Vick at a dog-fight yet he labelled Vick a “heavyweight” although Vick dog was alledgedly defeated? 4. Don’t realize that people from all socio-economic status have been involved dog-fighting? If you would have just researched the arrests from the dog-fighting raid in Newton County two years ago, you would have noticed this. However, that would have required that you act like a journalist and write a balanced article. The sad reality is that the majority of your peer sports writers are no better.
By Dr.Doom
May 29, 2007 12:03 PM | Link to this
Jonathan,
The answer to your question is no. Even though that incident is before he was drafted by the falcons, it is still related information to an ongoing current investigation.It’s for all those idiots that said there has never been any evidence that Vick is involved with dog fighting. That’s kind of how it works bub.
By K. Juniel
May 29, 2007 12:06 PM | Link to this
If Vick wins games this season none of you are going to care about this dog fighting thing. Winning is all that matters.
By DKM
May 29, 2007 12:08 PM | Link to this
Petrino knew what he was getting into when he was hired! Mr. Blank paid him a lot of money to look the other way on Mr. Vick! They know he is a “Doper” and the league is using him to market themselves. This has been going on for three years, he never had any issues before this. Hopefully, after this season, he will be traded to the Giants for Manning or Oakland for Russell and the Falcons can move towards fixing the franchise. This season is and will be a disaster! I don’t think Harrington can save us but you never know! As for Kobe, they don’t have enough foreign players in LA to carry his water. The trend is very clear, the strong fundamentals and good shooting tech
By DKM
May 29, 2007 12:08 PM | Link to this
Petrino knew what he was getting into when he was hired! Mr. Blank paid him a lot of money to look the other way on Mr. Vick! They know he is a “Doper” and the league is using him to market themselves. This has been going on for three years, he never had any issues before this. Hopefully, after this season, he will be traded to the Giants for Manning or Oakland for Russell and the Falcons can move towards fixing the franchise. This season is and will be a disaster! I don’t think Harrington can save us but you never know! As for Kobe, they don’t have enough foreign players in LA to carry his water. The trend is very clear, the strong fundamentals and good shooting tech
By boots
May 29, 2007 12:11 PM | Link to this
The “blood in the water” causing the frenzy is from Vick shooting himself in the foot —- not once, but time after time.
And, by the way C.J., your plantation analogy is ridiculous!
Adios.
By Headhunter
May 29, 2007 12:11 PM | Link to this
Why hate on Keyshawn? I find him a rather refreshing change from the likes of Micheal Irvin.
By Hey green tea
May 29, 2007 12:11 PM | Link to this
green tea,
what the hell did you expect them to do after reading your brilliant post?
please correct the fact that i should have used some capital letters in these sentences.
By Etowah parent
May 29, 2007 12:13 PM | Link to this
Is it a concidence that Vick and Kobe are now being talked about in the same sentences? I think not. They’re both products of a system that weighs little on character and more on talent. Remember Ricky Williams?
As a true Falcons fan, I hope this goes away but as a realist, it’s only going to get worse. Do you think Houston would reconsider the trade? If not then 3 or 4 wins will be a good season this year.
By ispeakthedrewth
May 29, 2007 12:20 PM | Link to this
In case you weren’t paying attention, here’s a quick recap:
How I Spent My Summer Vacation by Peyton Manning 1) Studied game film and playbooks 2) Worked out religiously 3) Served as a role model for youth and citizens of my community 4) Honored the legacy of my father 5) Shined my Super Bowl ring
How I Spent My Summer Vacation by Michael Vick 1) Smoked dope 2) Hung out with my homies 3) Played water boy for my stable of pit bulls 4) Donated an embarrassing pittance to Virginia Tech, my alma mater, in memory of shooting victims 5) Served as a role model for thugs everywhere
So who do you think is on the verge of NFL immortality and who is on the verge of a prison sentence?
By DKM
May 29, 2007 12:20 PM | Link to this
To complete my thought, all four teams in the semis in the NBA have foreign born players playing key roles. Duncan, Parker, Ginobli, Ilgauskas, etc…In order to compete you need these players who can shoot, defend, and pass. Because of our lack of coaching at the AAU level only a tremendous physical specimen like James can make it in the NBA. By the way, Kobe learned his game in Italy!
By SMAD
May 29, 2007 12:24 PM | Link to this
“Here is my question about the “insider”, in the interview he states without out a doubt he saw Vick in 2000 at a fight waving around $30,000 and $40,000 dollars at a fight. So since Vick wasn’t drafted until April of 2001, should this story be tossed or should we look closer at VT booster club funding.”
In response to Johnathan’s ignorant reply above…it was reported by the “insider” to be approx $5000 in 2000. He clearly stated the $30-40,000 came in a year after the Falcon’s paid to much for him. Listen before you blurt out your stupidity.
By Bushwacker
May 29, 2007 12:29 PM | Link to this
to K. Juniel you are wrong about winning being all that matters, that tells me you have no morals either.
I SAID BEFORE , IF THE FALCONS WIN THE SUPER BOWL THIS YEAR WITH, I WILL NOT BE WATCHING ANYMORE AS LONG AS HE IS THE QB.
By Brill
May 29, 2007 12:29 PM | Link to this
I think the main flaw with the plantation analogy is that slaves didn’t have $125,000,000 contracts.
By Zeek
May 29, 2007 12:30 PM | Link to this
You people kill me talking about Matt Schaub………He wasn’t a winner in college, and he hasn’t proven anything in the NFL. Also, why is it not a big deal when a jockey sits on the back of a horse and beats it to make it run to a finish line? I guess if the jockeys were African American, then it would be a problem!
By celawjr
May 29, 2007 12:30 PM | Link to this
why is it ridiculous boots? I’m listening.
By Barry
May 29, 2007 12:31 PM | Link to this
Hey Y’all:
Let the legal system do its thing. If Vick is guilty or innocent leave it to the courts and not the media. However, those of you who respond on this blog accusing Vick already appear to want to point the finger at somebody doing wrong to minimize the guilt and stress in your own personal life. It is always good to say “aha, I caught you” if you got something. But here, there is nothing. What we do have is a “crack head” informant who is probaly negotiating and plea bargain with the feds to lowers some charges against him. They are willing to say anyhting. No informant should be given the title of “legitimate informant”. They are all liars and can be co-opted to say anyhting law enforcement wants them to say, for a price or something to make a deal with. Where the hell did the find this dirt bag. This investigation is really getting low down. They are reaching all the way back to before Vick was in the NFL. Let’s stop these “shananagans”. He is not in high school or college. Stop looking for those he may have known him then, who are now criminals looking for an out. He is currently in the NFL and has been there since 2001. Seven years.
God Bless You Vick. I hope they diminish this thing like that of the rape that was at Patrick Kearney’s house. Like the drugs that Brett Favre is addicted to. Like the out of wedlock birth Tom Brady had. Let’s be equal in how we judge and investigate our athletes. Vick, you will be vindicated, as you should be, in this case. Hearsay and innuendo’s should not apply hear. Your only crime, if you want to call it one, is the bad people and relatives he has associated himself with. We are all guilty of that at times.
SSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!! Thisis a SECRET from a FALCON FAN. TELL EVERYBODY.
Ringold
By Barry
May 29, 2007 12:31 PM | Link to this
Hey Y’all:
Let the legal system do its thing. If Vick is guilty or innocent leave it to the courts and not the media. However, those of you who respond on this blog accusing Vick already appear to want to point the finger at somebody doing wrong to minimize the guilt and stress in your own personal life. It is always good to say “aha, I caught you” if you got something. But here, there is nothing. What we do have is a “crack head” informant who is probaly negotiating and plea bargain with the feds to lowers some charges against him. They are willing to say anyhting. No informant should be given the title of “legitimate informant”. They are all liars and can be co-opted to say anyhting law enforcement wants them to say, for a price or something to make a deal with. Where the hell did the find this dirt bag. This investigation is really getting low down. They are reaching all the way back to before Vick was in the NFL. Let’s stop these “shananagans”. He is not in high school or college. Stop looking for those he may have known him then, who are now criminals looking for an out. He is currently in the NFL and has been there since 2001. Seven years.
God Bless You Vick. I hope they diminish this thing like that of the rape that was at Patrick Kearney’s house. Like the drugs that Brett Favre is addicted to. Like the out of wedlock birth Tom Brady had. Let’s be equal in how we judge and investigate our athletes. Vick, you will be vindicated, as you should be, in this case. Hearsay and innuendo’s should not apply hear. Your only crime, if you want to call it one, is the bad people and relatives he has associated himself with. We are all guilty of that at times.
SSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!! This a SECRET from a FALCON FAN. TELL EVERYBODY.
Ringold
By Barney Strickland
May 29, 2007 12:34 PM | Link to this
I had classes with Mike Vick while EARNING my degree @ VT. He was/is incredibly stupid. My god, he was fast/stupid !! Will he learn an NFL playbook ? Doubt it. I’m a loyal Hokie but what did we expect from a guy from the same neighborhood as A. Iverson ? A rocket scientist ? Solution : Suspend him for the entire season. The only thing that he notices is his wallet. Sad to say, but he’s nothing but a ghetto thug. Notice how he garners no endorsements ? What a bum. We let the true professional get away to Texas. It’s a sad day for Falcons fans.
By hirsutedawg
May 29, 2007 12:37 PM | Link to this
Jeff, I agree with all but #2. After Michael Irvin, Keyshawn will be a breath of fresh air.
By Falcons Dude
May 29, 2007 12:38 PM | Link to this
Vick Schmick…bring back Bartkowski!
By Haley's Comet
May 29, 2007 12:40 PM | Link to this
I am not a Vick hater but a true falcons fan and have been since my teenage years. The one thing that bothers me the most is that this whole off season has been surrounded by bad news day after day and as a fan it’s hard to swollow that our season hasn’t even started yet but I feel as if it is already over. Every year I have looked foward to the coming season with the wonder of how good we are going to be, but this year is different than any other. Now I wonder of what bad news will come our way today. Mr. Vick, gulity or not I wish you would surround yourself with better people so these sort of things don’t happen. Mr. Blank, you need to be a better leader of your team to not allow this sort of stuff to disrupt the team. I know that you can not make a stance on this yet but when you can it needs to be a strong one. If you think I am angery you would be correct to think so, after all I am a fan.
By Juice Drinker
May 29, 2007 12:41 PM | Link to this
If Mike Vick is brought up on charges for animal abuse, I hope he doesn’t decide to pull an “OJ” and FLEA from the cops.
By L. M. Hull
May 29, 2007 12:41 PM | Link to this
To those who keep quoting us chapter and verse about how you are innocent until proven quilty: Pacman Jones has not been charged with or found guilty of the the major incidents in which he has been involved, but he has been suspended for the season. So, whats fair for the goose…..I can’t remember the rest. Maybe Gander Vick can help me.
By K-dawg
May 29, 2007 12:43 PM | Link to this
THIS JUST IN….The organization didn’t believe in Schaub. The organization cannot feel like he was the missing link or else they would’ve kept him. The Falcons are notorious for paying guys too much money and decided not to spend that money on Schaub. And you may be right that he’s a true professional because the rest of us wouldn’t know since he didn’t show it on the field…but are you referring to the way he handled the barfight and arrest…like a professional?
By Jenny
May 29, 2007 12:47 PM | Link to this
Run, Coach Petrino, RUN !!!!!!!!
By Dog Fan
May 29, 2007 12:48 PM | Link to this
I have supported Mike Vick for quite some time, but these new allegations may be what break the camel’s back. It’s true that there may not be enough evidence to convict him in a criminal court right now, if ever at all. But the fact remains that with each passing day things look worse and worse for Vick. While I don’t think he can be convicted for breaking the law right now on mostly circumstantial evidence, it may certainly be time for the Falcons to cut him loose. If you or I had this type of allegation floating around, we would be fired on the spot without a bit of further investigation. Mike Vick may be a superstar, but he certainly doesn’t deserve any better treatment than what we would receive if we were charged with this gruesome and disgusting felony.
By JT7
May 29, 2007 12:51 PM | Link to this
Quick…Turn on UFC…That’s right “human beings” fighting for sport and idiots pay to watch it…hypocritical morons. Stop the witchhunting…Facts convict and facts set free…So shut up until there are some FACTS!!!
By Pete
May 29, 2007 12:51 PM | Link to this
Boy, I didn’t hear this much RAGE when a woman was RAPED in Patrick Kerney’s house while he was “supposedly” asleep. Why hasn’t Shultz or the ajc written any articles about that? I have several questions…….
By Pepe
May 29, 2007 12:56 PM | Link to this
20 Days and 20 Hours until Training Camp…I can’t wait to talk football.
Go Falcons and Vick (until the courts let us all in on what’s really going on)!!!
By green tea
May 29, 2007 12:59 PM | Link to this
who is “them”? You sir, are what the French would call Le Douche and you probably agree with Clinton Portis’ idiotic statements.
By Live Life
May 29, 2007 12:59 PM | Link to this
For all you racist Vick haters I have a great idea! Move to Mississippi and start a franchise then trade for Peyton Manning. Yeah you must wear shoes to compete in the NFL. Keey your head up Vick see you this season.
By Live Life
May 29, 2007 1:00 PM | Link to this
For all you racist Vick haters I have a great idea! Move to Mississippi and start a franchise then trade for Peyton Manning. Yeah you must wear shoes to compete in the NFL. Keep your head up Vick see you this season.
By Live Life
May 29, 2007 1:01 PM | Link to this
For all you racist Vick haters I have a great idea! Move to Mississippi and start a franchise then trade for Peyton Manning. Yeah you must wear shoes to compete in the NFL. Keep your head up Vick see you this season.
By Amy
May 29, 2007 1:05 PM | Link to this
News Alert to ALL HATERS:
Even if Mike Vick is convicted….he will pay a big fine, the NFL will suspend him for 2 or 3 games then he will CONTINUE to be the QB of the falcons.
I know that’s your worse nightmare haters. You would prefer that he gets a life sentence or the death penalty..lol
Stop looking for a black man to replace your hatred for OJ….it’s not gonna happen!!
By Live Life
May 29, 2007 1:10 PM | Link to this
For all you racist Vick haters I have a great idea! Move to Mississippi and start a franchise then trade for Peyton Manning. Yeah you must wear shoes to compete in the NFL. Keep your head up Vick see you this season.
By Live Life
May 29, 2007 1:11 PM | Link to this
For all you racist Vick haters I have a great idea! Move to Mississippi and start a franchise then trade for Peyton Manning. Yeah you must wear shoes to compete in the NFL. Keep your head up Vick see you this season.
By traci
May 29, 2007 1:11 PM | Link to this
what ever the verdict maybe vick is guilty he has a web site for selling dogs and also how can he say that at the time that he did not know that his family had dogs on the property i mean come on is he that stupid i mean didnt he go to college or what but what ever the reason is he is a hood rat and will always be a hood rat and he is making Atl look worst then it already does so they just need to go ahead and cut him loose
By Roswell Ed
May 29, 2007 1:13 PM | Link to this
People who defend Vick just don’t get it at all.
It has absolutely nothing to do with convictions. It has to do with perception.
The NFL is a very fickle league. There are a lot of NFL talent that is not in the league for one reason or another.
They do not need players that constantly have trouble swirling around them.
I think that the dumbest thing that people try to throw into this is race. Atlanta has had a lot of black athletes that did things the right way and stayed out of trouble. Why didn’t the press go after Hank Aaron, Jam Anderson, William Andrews, THE HAMMER, D Hall, D Wilkins, K Willis, David Justice, etc etc etc.
I guess they were picking on Todd Marinovich because he’s Croation?
By Tee
May 29, 2007 1:13 PM | Link to this
Last I checked, Mike Vick hasn’t been questioned by ANYONE in Virginia. What happened to “innocent until proven guilty”? My bad, that’s only if you are WHITE!!
Mike Vick please ignore these Klansmen!!
By Edward R. Murrow
May 29, 2007 1:13 PM | Link to this
BREAKING NEWS: Poster Live Life is STILL a very angry person with a great deal of rage he appears ready to unleash on anyone who criticized the character or cumulative behavior of beloved Atlanta sports icon Michael Vick.
Citizens are encouraged to avoid Vick ultra-radical Vick apologists such as Live Life by not referencing any topic relating to Michael Vick’s behavior, lest they be blindly called “racist” and/or “hater” by those loyal to Mr. Vick, a person most of them have never even met.
Atlantans are STRONGLY encouraged to flea…pardon me, FLEE any reference to Michael Vick IMMEDIATELY for the safety of themselves and their loved ones.
We will have further updates as they become available or as soon as a Vick loyalist such as Live Life makes yet another ill-conceived, hate-filled, inarticulate comment that falsely accuses racism.
By Tim
May 29, 2007 1:25 PM | Link to this
Guilty or not, it’s about lack of character.
I don’t care how he runs or plays the game, as long as he continues to let our city down with his personal actions. Atlanta is embarrassed by his actions off the field. He just makes it worse every time he opens his mouth.
Get of the guilt or innocent trip, where there is this much smoke, even a little fire is unacceptable.
By Diogenes
May 29, 2007 1:26 PM | Link to this
As an apparently accused “racist Vick hater,” please understand that I have judged him NOT by the color of his skin, but by the content of his character (isn’t that what we’re supposed to do?) … and found him woefully lacking.
By Roswell Ed
May 29, 2007 1:27 PM | Link to this
Q. Which of the following does not belong: AIDS, gonorrhea, herpes, or Mike Vick?
A. Gonorrhea — it can be cured.
By John
May 29, 2007 1:32 PM | Link to this
If people would read the reports, Vick is having a great “Football” offseason despite the dog fighting allegations. Petrino and his staff are happy with what he has been doing. He has been working hard to learn the playbook and his accuracy has been improving. The problem with Vick is that he had never had a coach push him. Petrino is not the type of coach to lay off anyone. He is going to let you know when you mess up rookie or veteran. I like the fact that he is a no nonsense coach. As far as the dog fighting allegations. Let this thing play out. There hasn’t been any coverage of the rape a Kerney’s house beacuse he was well liked here. Some people in Atlanta don’t want Vick to be the QB because he is black. If there were dog fighting allegations against Peyton Manning and he was the QB here in Atlanta, we would have heard very little about it. It’s always about race in the South. What year is this? You rednecks need to give it a rest. The world is changing. Minorities can live anywhere you live. We just choose not to live around rednecks beacuse we don’t like trailers. If you were a true fan, you would wait until this this plays out and not convict him in the media. If he is involved in dog fighting, he deserves to be suspended. You rednecks already have him hanging from a tree somewhere in South Georgia. Ridiculous. Schaub is gone. Get over it. Go Falcons.
By Black Panther
May 29, 2007 1:32 PM | Link to this
All you rednecks keep hounding Vick because none of you want a black Qb here in Atlanta. Most of you backwood hillbillies fight dogs in your backyards. Then you go into the house and screw your sister. Of all the things that are going on, you want to crucify Vick on allegations of dog fighting. How about investigating Bush on murder charges for starting a war just to control oil so he can make billions off of it? Or what about Chipper Jones having multiple children by multiple women? You GA slave masters are a mess!! Face the facts that in ten years, there will be less than 5 percent white athletes in football and basketball! Ya’ll are just too slow and dumb to compete!!
By Joe
May 29, 2007 1:35 PM | Link to this
Whether he’s guilty or not he will continue to be the QB of the falcons…now put that in your METH PIPES and inhale really hard…lol
By Black Panther
May 29, 2007 1:37 PM | Link to this
Traci, you are a racist!! Jig is short for jigaboo which is a very derogatory term when referring to blacks. You racists can try to fool people, but eventually it comes out, just like when you find out that your meth using husband is really your brother!! Keep having those retarded kids racists!
By Bob
May 29, 2007 1:40 PM | Link to this
TEE I applaud you…the truth shall set you free.
Earth to Traci, the klan is alive and well buddy….aren’t you late for a meeting?
By Pink Panther
May 29, 2007 1:40 PM | Link to this
Black Panther, would you like to meet me for a drink in Midtown after work so I can help talk you through some of those problems you sound like you’re having? I give good hugs.
By ThaMan
May 29, 2007 1:43 PM | Link to this
Tim Duncan, Shaq, Warrick Dunn,Chris Carter, Charles Barkley,Herschel Walker, to just name a few , are very good people. Michael Vick is a stupid uneducated punk. That’s not racist. That is FACT, you bunch of low mentality Sharptons.
By Janice
May 29, 2007 1:49 PM | Link to this
Black Panther will you marry me? I love a man thats not afraid to speak the TRUTH!!
By Dude
May 29, 2007 1:55 PM | Link to this
Shultz, Wyche, Moore. Yellow journalists at a rather unsophisticated level of development, absent any discernible degree of professionalism, with nothing of value to offer. An unnamed, heavily disguised informant accuses a high profile athlete of a crime, and these guys embrace it as truth. They go well beyond any obligation to simply report the story. Their columns demonstrate little objectivity. Shultz’s attempt to morally equate dogfighting with other misbehaviors is laughable, as it is so poorly thought through. And now we’re told that facts and evidence do not matter - just perception. None of really believe that, but it gets a pass in this case. Ok, if all you need is hearsay and innuendo to condemn a person, how about this? I heard a report the other day that Shultz himself is heavily involved in dogfighting, that he bets large amounts of monay, that he is part of this scummy underworld. There you go. The AJC should now fire him, right?
By LG
May 29, 2007 1:56 PM | Link to this
I really don’t care which way this Vick investigations goes. I’m just tired of people claiming he’s innocent until proven guilty. While that is true, people also have a right to their opinion on the subject. Black, white or otherwise, we citizens can voice our opinion for or against Vick. If I think he’s guilty- guess what?! I can can say that because I am not a judge, prosecuter, or his attorney and vise versa. People can talk and beleive what they want about Vick. None of it will be correct because none of us are insiders. I hate the arguements saying there is or isn’t proof. Just argue your point and quit saying someone doesn’t have a right to judge him. As long as we aren’t directly involed in the investigation, we can think what we want about it.
By Falcons Dude
May 29, 2007 1:58 PM | Link to this
I am not sure why people have to always turn everything into a racial topic, but Black Panther, I believe you have made some of the most hatefilled rascist statements of all. You must be the black version of the KKK. You must truly hate and despise the white race. I really feel sorry for you.
Me, I just love football, and I wish Michael Vick could just keep himself out of the news like most of the other players in the NFL do. INCLUDING like most of the other black players do, Black Panther.
And don’t for one minute think people in the south don’t want a black player doing well. Ever hear of Hank Aaron? Herschel Walker? Emmitt Smith? Dominique Wilkins? William Andrews? Just to name a few?
Idiot.
By April
May 29, 2007 2:00 PM | Link to this
If the falcons had a better season last year you people who are on the I hate Vick band wagon would be all over his nuts simple as that…. Also for the so called informant everyone knows that informants are convicts that were busted and sent in to be a snitch to get less time or no time for their crime… Also where would Vick get 30,000 to bet on a fight he wasnt even drafted…. I bet if your all american white boy Brady was being investigated for the same thing you people wouldnt have CRAP to say (and I am a white person writing this)!
By A-man
May 29, 2007 2:04 PM | Link to this
There are two kinds of pro athletes. Warrick Dunn is an example of one kind. Grew up in a one parent household in a bad section of New Orleans. His policewoman mother was killed. He ended up raising his brothers and sisters. Never gets into trouble. Never hear his name in a bad way. Does good things (charities, etc.) for society.
Then there are the Mike Vicks and Pacman Joneses of the world. Some are bad dudes. Some hang around with bad dudes. All of them have no common sense and think they can do whatever they want with no price to pay.
I don’t know Mike’s involvement with dog fighting. But if you look at his history of stuff, where there’s smoke there’s fire. Another Warrick Dunn is he is not.
This isn’t about race, or the AJC, or some vendetta against Mike. It’s about him, and it doesn’t say much about him that is good. He’s created all these messes, and now he’ll have to deal with them, which he should.
By dash
May 29, 2007 2:04 PM | Link to this
Jeff: You are the worst type of sportswiter. You never seem to support any of our sports teams. It is always on the negative. Atlanta does not have the type of support of our sports team as they do in other cities and it is largely due to the media outlets in Atlanta. If Vick is arrested and charged, he needs to be punished to the fullest extent of the law. Dog fighting is a felony and should be. It is inhumane.He is not above the law. But Vick has not been arrested nor charged. His cousin has not even been arrested or charged and he was in the house. Thus far, it is all hearsay. Until he is arrested or charged, it is not relevant to football or the Falcons. Please arrest him or charge him, if not, let this story die. It does not help our team. All of us would hope to be innocent until proven guilty. Let the justice system work. Not one of us could deny that. Jeff, you are a sportwriter. Do us a favor. Do your job and write about sports.
By GaVaHokie
May 29, 2007 2:05 PM | Link to this
When Dany Heatley wins his Stanley Cup with Ottawa and Michael Vick wins his Super Bowl ring with the Washington Redskins, they’re going to sit down to lunch together and laugh about all the nonsense they put up with in Atlanta.
Getting the hell out of Atlanta was the best move Heatley ever made, and it will be the same for Vick… can’t wait!
By Dude
May 29, 2007 2:09 PM | Link to this
LG, You as an individual have every right to your own opinion. You can be as uninformed and illogical as you wish. The problem occurs when persons who know no more than you, but who pass themselves off as professionals and who are in a position to shape public opinion, are given license to express what is essentially their narrowminded views, but because they are “journalists” their columns have a character of legitimacy.
By traci
May 29, 2007 2:09 PM | Link to this
to BOB and the BLACK PANTHER and to teei am a white female and i have to mixed kids (white and BLACK) and the reason behind my statements are i am sooooo tired of the black race including you and tee and bob for alway throwing your race cards i have been raised here outside of atlanta and that is all i have heard my whole life is about how bad we white people treat you black people well you know what look in the mirror you treat you own people like s* by you own self you dont need our helf and if you want to go there about us sleepingwith our sisters or brother atleast we arent killing each other on the streets watch the news every night my son is 14 and i send him to private school of only whites so he will not turn out like you the BLACK PANTHER a TRUE RACIST. we can keep throwing shot back and forth to each other but in the end because vick is black and an athlete he will get off or more or less jess jackson will defend him so get over it
By FalconsforLife
May 29, 2007 2:11 PM | Link to this
I’m sick and tired of this one. Let’s move on to something that really matters in the football world like off-season works, injury rehabilitations, Grady Jackson sightings, etc. We could even discuss the death of the New England Patriots’ player that occured over the holiday weekend. Anything but the MV issue….
By MBelle
May 29, 2007 2:11 PM | Link to this
Jonathan:
In your comments retaliating against “SMAD” and “Dr. Doom” you probably should have done a little more research before you prepared your retaliation. Vick never was a “SENIOR” in college. He was drated out of his Sophomore year! You can copy and paste all you want from other websites, but you will only be credible when you can actually defend yourself with some truths.
By marbo
May 29, 2007 2:12 PM | Link to this
Ummm, Tha Man, How on God’s green earth could you possibly know that the list of names you just mentioned are “good” people. Have you ever met all those people…..seen what they do behind close doors? What about Mike Vick? Have you ever met the man? huh? I didnt think so. By the way i could give a rat arse about Mike Vick or anybody else…if you are guilty of a crime your suffer the consequences. However, to judge a man so harsh before all the facts come out is just plain ignorant!!
By Roswell Ed
May 29, 2007 2:18 PM | Link to this
Traci- I hope its the private school teaching them English and not you!!
By ThaMan
May 29, 2007 2:21 PM | Link to this
Black Panther is all mouth and zero brain. That little percentage about less than 5% whites on the football field is fine with me. It will be you darkies running around for our entertainment. So be sure to run out and have about 12 kids out of wedlock and leave them on the government dole so they can start smoking crack and killing and robbing EACH OTHER by the time they are around 10 years old. You really out to be proud!!!!!!!!
By The Truth Comes Out
May 29, 2007 2:24 PM | Link to this
SICK OF VICK! You dummies are going to see and I cant wait. Open your eyes and believe what you are seeing he sucks as an NFL Quarterback AND as a human being. Can him now so the healing of this team can begin! He is trash and the worst kind of trash. He is trash with money. You know it I know it the NFL knows it The Falcons front office and coaches know it the Media knows it the law enforcement in Surry county knows it and the Congress knows it. It is high time for everyone to just ADMIT IT and quit sheltering this PUNK THUG!
By traci
May 29, 2007 2:25 PM | Link to this
yes it is sorry i was typing fast you jacka**
By silver
May 29, 2007 2:26 PM | Link to this
If Vick does time, I know another real good quarterback who is available on short notice - None other than Reggie Ball.
By ThaMan
May 29, 2007 2:28 PM | Link to this
Hey marbo. I’m not even considering the dog fighting allegations. I’m just talking about the other crap. And here on God’s green earth, I can judge what I think of someone solely on what I have seen and know about them through the media. Go read A-man. U da ignant one!
By traci
May 29, 2007 2:29 PM | Link to this
Yes, ED from snutty Roswell I do speck perfect english. I just type fast dumb butt. Do you not have anything better to do today in Roswell, then to correct my English paper.
By Roswell Ed
May 29, 2007 2:36 PM | Link to this
Snutty?
By reebok
May 29, 2007 2:37 PM | Link to this
Michael Vick is already on the downside of his career. He’s accumulated injuries that have already sapped some of his speed, and speed was all he ever had. He should have been run out of town when he flipped off the fans at home. Vick is a disaster. The sooner he’s gone and we get a real QB, the better.
By L. M. Hull
May 29, 2007 2:40 PM | Link to this
Bigot: A person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinons and prejudices. You will note, students, that the above definition is color-blind.
By marbo
May 29, 2007 2:40 PM | Link to this
I dont give a damn about A-Man, everyone knows the story of Warrick Dunn. I dont have to read it again, but the fact still remains that A-Man nor you know anything about these people’s personal life so you can only speak about what is printed…and printed material can be biased. But you are right about one thing…if you are the type of a***** to judge people that you dont know on a personal level…then by all means continue. We know you are perfect!!
By Roswell Ed
May 29, 2007 2:41 PM | Link to this
Did you call me a dumb butt?
By D Dub of the ATL
May 29, 2007 2:42 PM | Link to this
sometimes I wonder why I am even dignifying Schulz’s sorry excuse for a blog with this much of a response.
By L. M. Hull
May 29, 2007 2:45 PM | Link to this
Sorry. In my haste to “go to press”, I left out an “i” in opinions. However, it is certainly not the first mistake in this forum.
By dee
May 29, 2007 2:45 PM | Link to this
I JUST FIND IT SO HARD TO LISTEN TO WHAT PEOPLE HAS TO SAY ABOUT A YOUNG MAN OF COLOR THAT HAS NOT ROBBED THEM, F** THEIR MOTHER,KILLED THEIR SON,CURSED THEIR FATHER AND STOLED THEIR SISTER MONEY. AND WE ASKED OURSELVES DO RACIST STILL EXIST, I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A REALLY POLL SEE WHERE RACE SIT ON THIS MATTER AND I’M A 100% SURE WOULD BE ON THE LINE OF RACE AND NOT MORALS AND VALUES. PLEASE LET’S BOTH SIDE WORK ON THIS RACE ISSUE BECAUSE GOD WANT US TO LOVE EVERYONE!!!!!!!!! BUT SINCE THAT’S OUT THE WAY YOU WHITE HATER WILL NOT THE BEST QB OUT LIKE THIS.
By GaVaHokie
May 29, 2007 2:46 PM | Link to this
reebok… um, is that why he broke the NFL rushing record last year? He didn’t look slow to me.
Vick is the only reason this team can even compete… get rid of him and you’re back to the dark ages.
By Great Falconi
May 29, 2007 2:47 PM | Link to this
Seems to me that the AJC and the national media polished Vick’s knob for years and glossed over almost everything until last season. I guess the “Dirty Birds” to the fans woke some people up. Anyone crying “Racist!” in this situation is, as some have mentioned, failing to realize the vast majority of black athletes in this town and across the country who don’t have these kind of issues surrounding them. I have no problem with someone defending Vick as a man (everyone has that right), but he’s not an all-time great football player. In the end, his off-the-field problems will make it easier for the Falcons to admit that he’s an average QB and move on. If you don’t want to support the Falcons after that, fine. All I know is that I’ve been a Falcon fan long before Vick and I’ll be one long after he’s gone.
By ThaMan
May 29, 2007 2:53 PM | Link to this
Thank you marbro!
By Falcon Dude
May 29, 2007 2:56 PM | Link to this
Traci, ignore Roswell Ed. Regardless of your typing, you have shown the intelligence and good sense to send your children to private school where they have the chance to get a decent education…unlike most of us who have to take our chances with the public education tarpits. And Roswell Ed has shown by his lack of breeding and class that he clearly is a product of the public school system, my guess is one of the ilk of that trade school from North Avenue where I would expect nothing less than the type of virulent diatribe he espouses.
Traci, just ignore him. He knows not of what he speaks.
By the genius
May 29, 2007 2:57 PM | Link to this
I told you people three months ago that Vick is history. However, I also told you that it is not entirely his fault. It is our system that has allowed athletes to make this incredible amount of money for playing a sport, propping them up under tremendous pressure to live a normal life. The worst thing is to turn this stuff into a race issue, that is so sad indeed. Don’t judge Vick; pray for him in these troubled days ahead. This could happen to anyone. Football is not so important in the overall scheme of things and of life.
By Tony H
May 29, 2007 2:58 PM | Link to this
Yeah Jeff it has cross his mind everytime you put a stupid story in your blog. You are a joke and should be put in jail for stupidity trying to kill Vick’s Pro Football life based on lie after lie and the AJC that goes for you to no balance at all. I bet you did not think to talk to Lee Suggs who played with Vick at Va Tech in 2000 he has gone on record to state that Vick did’t have any money that year he was always begging for money to take his female friends out so how did he get 30k to 40k to bet on dogs you jerk in college all you had to do was be respondsible but know you rather go with the lies GOD bless Vick and the real fans in the ATL lord knows we need it with jerks like Jeff.S and his rebel flag pickup truck driving punks.
By JOE
May 29, 2007 3:01 PM | Link to this
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD PLEASE STOP DEFENDING YOURSELVES EVERYTIME SOMETHING COMES UP! NONE OF US WERE AROUND WHEN SLAVERY TOOK PLACE AND IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE NFL OR ME. WHAT NEXT PACMAN JONES IS AS CHOIR BOY?
By Teresa
May 29, 2007 3:03 PM | Link to this
If Mike is kicked out of the league tomorrow, he still has more money than you hillbilies will EVER see in 3 life times!! That’s what makes you toss and turn at night…LMAO!!
By What's New?
May 29, 2007 3:03 PM | Link to this
Where there is smoke there is fire. I smell something burning. Oh No! It’s Vick’s career. QUICK! Someone grab a race card!
By bobbybaby
May 29, 2007 3:07 PM | Link to this
To “By That Man.”,
I can always tell a racist because he always make refereremce to Sharpton and Jackson. And, that is why I love them so much……because most white people hate them so much and that can’t be all bad. You know that anyone who is universally hated by bigot has got to be doing something good. Keep the faith Sharptons…scare them bigots to death.
By GaVaHokie
May 29, 2007 3:08 PM | Link to this
Hey Jeff… did we ever confirm that Matt Stafford is gay? What happened to that story? I was enjoying that.
By Tony H
May 29, 2007 3:11 PM | Link to this
{Joe and What’s New} Vick will be our starting QB in September leading our Falcons and you guys will still be waving your rebel flags and driving you pick up truck. So keep the lies coming.
By green tea
May 29, 2007 3:12 PM | Link to this
Ummm Dee? What does “stoled” mean? Is that the past tense for educated? And I have no idea what you just said in your post.
By Roswell Ed
May 29, 2007 3:12 PM | Link to this
Thaman:
My comment: Traci- I hope it’s the private school teaching them English and not you!!
Yours: virulent diatribe he espouses????
Let me guess here. Either you don’t know what virulent diatribe means or you’re a liberal who believes that any opinion other than your own is hate speech?
By FalconsforLife
May 29, 2007 3:13 PM | Link to this
Other football issues? Anyone?
By Falcon Dude
May 29, 2007 3:19 PM | Link to this
No Theresa, actually, NOTHING about Mike Vick has me tossing and turning at night at all. But, what has me steamed about Mike Vick is that for the past year or more he can’t keep himself out of the bad news stories. Ron Mexico and herpes, the water bottle in Miami, skipping out on the meeting with Congress, now dog fighting.
What I care about is that he is the QB for the Falcons, a team I love, a team I have grown up with, and a team I care passionately about, and he is making a mockery of MY team. He may not be guilty of anything, but he continues to put himself in a position to be questioned. You don’t see other players doing that. Warrick Dunn doesn’t get in the news every day, except in a good way. Peyton Manning doesn’t get in the news every day, except in a good way. When he played, Emmitt Smith didn’t get in the news every day except in a good way, same for Herschel Walker, Hank Aaron, John Smoltz, Tom Glavine, and the list goes on and on. Why is that? Why can’t Mike Vick do the same?
That is what we are talking about here. This is not a race hating thing. This is not a Mike Vick hating thing here. This is about a man who continues to put himself into situations where his character is constantly being questioned, and he constantly puts his team in a bad light. His morals are questioned and his judgment is questioned. And he makes way too much money to really be allowed to do that.
If he can’t control himself and keep himself out of those situations, then yes, he needs to go. No talent is worth this kind of headache and distraction. A team cannot win with this kind of leader. Talent alone is NOT ENOUGH. Anyone who thinks it is, you are wrong.
By Amy
May 29, 2007 3:22 PM | Link to this
Traci…did you make it to 5th grade??
By boots
May 29, 2007 3:22 PM | Link to this
Google Gerald Poindexter, the Surry county prosecutor, and follow the links to “Poindexter laughs at reporters.”
Unless an outside agency presses the case, it will never be brought. View the link and you’ll understand why.
Teflon Vick will skate again —- unless the NFL and Feds break through the race issues and hero worship to get at the facts of the case.
Oh, well. Some things just never change.
By JOE
May 29, 2007 3:24 PM | Link to this
TONY H
DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHAT MY ETHNIC BACKGROUND IS? COULDNT EVEN BEGIN TO TELL YOU WHERE TO GET A CONFEDERATE FLAG. IWAS RAISED TO BE RACIST BUT AM AS FAR FROM THAT THOUGHT PROCESS AS POSSIBLE. TO SIMPLY STATE GO WAIVE YOUR CONFEDERATE FLAG JUST SHOWS YOUR IGNORANCE AND INSECURITIES NOT MINE
I COULD CARE LESS IF VICK IS THE PUNTER NEXT YEAR. MY ONLY POINT IS INSTEAD OF USING THE RACE CARD TO DEFEND A PERSON HOW ABOUT DEFEND HIS ACTIONS INSTEAD? TO USE THIS DEFENSE IS TO ONLY IGNORE THE ISSUE THAT IS BEING DISCUSSED.
By Outraged Fanatic
May 29, 2007 3:50 PM | Link to this
What so many of the MV7 jock-sniffers don’t realize is that those of us who criticize Vick for his choices do so because he hurts the chances of our team. I could care less about Vick as a person because he doesn’t seem to be very humble or moral. I support the Atlanta Falcons. I don’t support a person because of his race not do I hate him because of his race.
Why can’t people question his character? You want to know why people don’t call that white receiver for Denver a cheap shot thug? What is his name? I’ll bet less than 10 percent of the readers of this blog know his name. You know why? Money. He ain’t making it. Mike Vick is one of the highest paid in the league. That is why he is all over the news. That is why he gets criticized as often as he does. That is why we expect more out of him.
Years ago, the more money you made the more you were expected to show decency, dignity, and grace. Now, the more money you make the more you can afford to act like a fool because you will be defended by wannabe’s and assorted hangers-on. Maybe that is why we stay on Vick.
Am I jealous of his money? Please! Damn straight I am!! I struggle trying to educate future doctors, lawyers, mechanics, nurses, teachers, and the next sport superstar. I struggle as a single father with a child support payment and a $45,000 a year teaching salary. But because of genetics and society’s need to be entertained, I can’t play football or baseball for money. One of the simple pleasures I enjoy is having 16 football games a year on my television. I want to root for my team, the Atlanta Falcons, without having to wonder about the character of the players. I want to cheer players who appreciate that they have what the rest of us do not. Yes I want both high quality athletes and high quality people. You can find both.
So, jock-sniffers, understand this: you will never be Mike’s friend. He ain’t inviting you out for chicken and beer. There will be no pot-luck dinner for you at the Vick residence. Get off of him. I will respect him if he is proven innocent and he apologizes to the fans and stops speaking in the third person.
Question: If he is suspended or banned by the NFL, will the Falcons have to continue paying his salary and be subject to his salary cap charge?
By dd
May 29, 2007 3:53 PM | Link to this
I wish all of you would just go away & take the ajc, hawks, braves & falcons with you
By jerrj
May 29, 2007 3:53 PM | Link to this
isn,t vick the one who, also…. gave the falcon fans the middle finger up???
By jerrj
May 29, 2007 3:53 PM | Link to this
isn,t vick the one who, also…. gave the falcon fans the middle finger up???
By Dr.Doom
May 29, 2007 3:54 PM | Link to this
It is no accident or coincidence that most of Vick’s defenders struggle with literacy and grammar on this blog. It is by design.
By Keith
May 29, 2007 3:54 PM | Link to this
Thaman you are truly a real dumb a**, and you might want to do a little research on Shaq and Charles Barkley before you mention their names as “very good people”
Oh yeah I just stop by the cleaners and they said that since you are a coward don’t forget to pick up your sheet and hoodie.
I am a Falcon fan but I am a man first so therefore I wish the best for the Falcons and Michael Vick and if he is convicted then he will get what he deserves but until then……….Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
By celawjr
May 29, 2007 3:55 PM | Link to this
traci… what the hell… you think YOU KNOW BLACK people because you have black kids? That’s crazy. Firstly, Black people are different from person to person, so the generalizing statements you make about “us not killing each other”, is RACIST, babe. You may not see it that way, but it is. You can’t shelter your children from black people, but it sure as hell sounds like that’s what you are trying to do. But guess what your son is going to grow up a BLACK MAN, He’s going to be treated like a BLACK MAN (by people who generalize BLACK MEN) like yourself. ITs really sad when people use the (i’m not a racist because I know black people, i even screwed one tactic). Now I know that the last sentence I stated is the only thing you’ll remember from all of this, but hear me when I say for some people following this case their interest is directly founded in racism, for others they like the news, and for some they want a new qb and they think well “i hope we get vick out by any means necessary”. Some people will defend him because they know that they have to have faith in the justice system and be optimistic that a man will not be convicted unless it is proven beyond a reasonable doubt that he warranted conviction. That part is still in the air, and YES we have the right to debate it, we have the right argue about if he did and if he didn’t… but none of it justifies racism from whites, blacks, reds, purples or anybody else. For your BLACK children’s sake I pray that you start to see things differently.
By Hasavior
May 29, 2007 3:59 PM | Link to this
This race card issue is really getting played out. White people intensifies and patronizes the primary, the charge, when the secondary issue is the accused happens to be black.
Black people seduce the issue of race as being the primary motivator and compare the offense to recent offenders who happen to be white, which is the secondary issue to them.
With all that said, this is a media driven African- American genre to be labeled as guilty until proven innocent of the charges that could have been given to a white person.
By Marlin Perkins
May 29, 2007 4:01 PM | Link to this
I used to have pitbulls as family pets. They can be the most gentle creatures on God’s green earth when not breathing. I only lost half of my private zoo to those beast. That’s why I always had Jim feed those puppies. Ask Jim “no nuts” Fowler about how friendly these dogs are. Thank God we had fantastic insurance in those days, some sort of mutual agreement with Omaha.
By jerry
May 29, 2007 4:05 PM | Link to this
looks like the falcons will need a new poster boy
By JR
May 29, 2007 4:08 PM | Link to this
Gangs, hip-hoppers, Michael Vick. God save the black kids who blindly admire these morons. Crap is crap and it will always be crap.
By Sweeper
May 29, 2007 4:09 PM | Link to this
The saddest thing about this situation is how the race card is so easily played when it comes to Mike Vick. I’m a black American, yes black American not Afro American, black American, and it’s a shame I have to even preference my statement by that, because my color shouldn’t matter. From what I can tell when it comes to Mike Vick issues, over the years the racist comments have come from 85% black people. Mike Vick apologest who will defend him no matter what he does because he is black. I like most people judge Mike Vick on his character and his actions not the color of his skin. If he would learn his trade and play good football and be a good citizen he would be overwhelming loved by this community. Sure there always going to be that 10% of haters because on race. PS please stop referencing Pat Kearney as a double standard, you really show your bias and your ignorance. Your not comparing apples to apples, they’re different issues. But it’s your bias that don’t let you see that.
By Reality
May 29, 2007 4:09 PM | Link to this
Black Panther
Face the facts that in ten years, there will be less than 5 percent white athletes in football and basketball! Ya’ll are just too slow and dumb to compete!!
I would urge you to concern yourself with where the Hispanic community will be in ten years. All predictions show that it will be on pace to surpass all other “minority” groups as the second largest race/cultural affiliation in the United States.
I would start learning spanish…or are you just too dumb and slow to compete?
By MAC
May 29, 2007 4:11 PM | Link to this
Pit bulls have no purpose to exist and no reason for breeding other than dog fighting. Either make it legal for these psycho killer dogs to kill each other for sport or ban possession and euthanize all of them. They are a dangerous and useless breed.
By L. M. Hull
May 29, 2007 4:13 PM | Link to this
I have lost the ability to understand what some of these rants are about, but I do know that the use of the race card is rampant. And, asking them not to use it (the race card) is akin to asking a wasp not to use its’ stinger. It is the only weapon they have.
By Pitbull As Family Pet
May 29, 2007 4:18 PM | Link to this
Funny Marlin, hope we got the whole damn zoo too. You old coot. We pitbulls love children the most. That is because they are the most vulnerable things out there. Countless news stories if you care to use google. A couple of weeks ago a couple of my friends hit it big time in Detroit. A dad and his 5 year old son happily leaving a convenience store. Dad holding his son’s hand, when BAM, my buddies tore loose from the leash (which is used just for show, those things can’t hold us) and SNAP, CRUNCH right down on that helpless child. Dad didn’t know what had hit them. Dad was lucky to get the dogs off his boy, but damn we could have made killing headlines again. We are safe, friendly dogs, used by everyone to fetch faces, I mean frisbees in the park. Some people say the only thing we are good for is fighting each other. Shoot they don’t know us. Hehehehehehe! Woof! To the tune of “Rawhide” everyone, “Maulin, maulin, maulin, keep those doggies fightin’ rawhide.”
By T-Town Dawg
May 29, 2007 4:19 PM | Link to this
I don’t know about the rest of y’all, but I would take Donovan McNabb any day. Or Steve McNair 5 years ago. Or Randall Cunningham or Warren Moon 10 years ago. You didn’t hear their names in the news every other day because of off field indiscretions. And they were…everyone together…BLACK! It has nothing to do with skin color. It has to do with the fact that he embarrasses himself, the team, and the city constantly. I was one of his biggest fans (that game against FSU for the National Championship is still one of the single greatest performances in sports history)and thought the Falcons made a good move trading what they did to San Diego to get him in the draft. But now, I’d rather have Drew Brees (the quarterback San Diego got instead and the one that beat us like a drum last season with New Orleans).
Yes, there are some racist people out there who might not want him simply because he is black. But most of us just want someone who is not going to go out there and embarrass us.
If you want someone of character, look no farther than the 3rd string. Forget Vick and Harrington, give DJ a shot. I sure hope Petrino doesn’t waste him.
By Matthew At The SLC
May 29, 2007 4:22 PM | Link to this
Jeff
So let me get this straight: you want to hitch your wagon to a woman (the Virginia Dog Fighting Czar) who has a something like a 10% conviction rate and an embarrassing case she just got through where she had to return something like 30 dogs to a man for falsly accusing him of dog fighting? Who promised to provide us with a tape with Vick at a dog fight which has never and will never materialize because it’s a work of fiction (she lied)?
You want to hitch your wagon to Don Banks, a man who has proven through his writing that he has a grudge and blatant bias against Vick, though he’d never be man enough to say so?
You want to hitch your wagon to a man who thinks he saw Vick at a dog fight with tens of thousands of dollars in 2000… while Vick was in COLLEGE?
So that’s the best you have? A lady in Virginia who has to justify her crappy job performance and tries to do so by going after a big name athlete? A writer at SI who hates Michael Vick and love Little Jimmy Mora? And an informant who is paid by said lady with the crappy job performance to say what she wants him to say or remember what she wants him to remember about a guy in college waving around more money than Tee Martin was ever paid while at Tennessee? I’m not saying Vick is guilty or innocent. If he is guilty, he needs to go to jail because a simple NFL suspension wouldn’t be just. But the thing is, nothing concrete, irrefutable, or undoubtable has been found to even allow the prosecutors to even charge Vick yet. The report on ESPN was as believable as the crap that Banks wrote. Meaning, it wasn’t very believable. These are all baseless accusations which wouldn’t stand five minutes in a court of law. Do none of you idiots watch Law and Order? Jeff, you’re supposed to be smarter than this.
Once again Jeff… are YOU going to apologize to the Duke Boys? You think you would have learned an embarrassing lesson from judging too soon in that case, Jeff. I guess not.
By bnard
May 29, 2007 4:26 PM | Link to this
i love you mike n so does god dont let evil tonges sink you ..god’s hand will keep you from judging, arogant,holy than thou..people.there time will come when they answer to the true master..
By White Pitbull with Black Spots or Black Pitbull with White Spots
May 29, 2007 4:30 PM | Link to this
Those damn GREYHOUNDS stealing the conversation again. Always about the race, never the fight. Come to one of our bouts. There is never a race card present. Just the fight after freaking fight. Dogs biting and chewing and nawing on each other until one of us falls and can’t get up. In your face takes on a new meaning. We put Mike Tyson to shame. Want an ear? How about a face? Real fun these things are. Entertaining unless you lose.
People who promote these things and participate are sick freaks and idiots. No two ways about it. If you raise pitbulls you are an idiot, no two ways about it. Pure and simple.
By jerry
May 29, 2007 4:30 PM | Link to this
vicks a loser!
By jerry
May 29, 2007 4:31 PM | Link to this
vicks a loser!
By L. M. Hull
May 29, 2007 4:36 PM | Link to this
Mathew at the SLC sez: “…Do none of you idiots watch Law & Order?” Gosh, is that all you have to do to become an expert in jurisprudence? My, My! In my day you had to go to law school.
By RK
May 29, 2007 4:38 PM | Link to this
Jeff if you want some real info on dog fighting get in touch. I worked the undercover case that wound up making it a felony to fight dogs in Ga. Before this no one had a clue that this was going on and was as large as it was. Upwards of 400 people at some fights.
By Lex Luthor
May 29, 2007 4:40 PM | Link to this
Jonathan,
Do you think that the NFL is the only level players are paid on? Vick was probably making upto $5000 a game. I know of college players that were making $1000 a game in HS.
Lex
By BOTTOM LINE: MIKE VICK CAN'T PLAY THE QUARTERBACK POSITION IN THE NFL
May 29, 2007 4:47 PM | Link to this
I don’t care if Mike Vick is the most righteous man to walk the face of the Earth since Jesus of Nazareth - the fact of the matter is: Mike Vick can’t play the position of quarterback in the National Football League.
He just doesn’t have the talent.
Running fast and jumping high doesn’t make you a good quarterback in the NFL. In order to play the position you must be able to read defenses, make good, quick decisions, and have an adequately strong, VERY accurate throwing arm. Vick has NONE of that. He can run fast. So what? Carl Lewis was faster, but how many Super Bowl rings did he win as a starting quarterback in the NFL?
By raisin
May 29, 2007 4:50 PM | Link to this
Vick will turn over spill like an oil tanker in a typhoon if he thinks he can stay his @$$ out of prison. He is a thug and will soon be a snitch.
By raisin
May 29, 2007 4:50 PM | Link to this
Vick will turn over and spill like an oil tanker in a typhoon if he thinks he can stay his @$$ out of prison. He is a thug and will soon be a snitch.
By raisin
May 29, 2007 4:50 PM | Link to this
Vick will turn over and spill like an oil tanker in a typhoon if he thinks he can stay his @$$ out of prison. He is a thug and will soon be a snitch.
By ron
May 29, 2007 4:51 PM | Link to this
As I have said several times when the topic of Michael Vick has come up- we should have traded him to Oakland for their first round draft choice. Get him out of Atlanta! He will always be a constant source of negative criticism for the Falcons. And that will be the case whether nothing is found of him being in the dog fighting business or not. Trouble just follows him because he doesn’t know what being on the straight and narrow really is all about.
By Matthew At The SLC
May 29, 2007 4:54 PM | Link to this
No, Hull, I say it because none of the allegations brought forth could even be considered as evidence in a court of law or be used to even charge someone of a crime, and that even idiots like me who get all of their knowledge of the law from Law and Order would and should be able to understand that. I find your lack of reading comprehension disturbing, Hull.
By Jack
May 29, 2007 5:00 PM | Link to this
THE ISSUE IS NOT INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY THE ISSUE IS NOT RACE THE ISSUE IS CHARACTER OR LACK OF IT.
By beachside bulldawg
May 29, 2007 5:02 PM | Link to this
I just threw away my Vick jersey. I still love the Falcons, even from afar, but Mike has just not been able to stay away from certain people. It is surely reflected in his lack of focus on the field.
Time to step it up, Mike. Please, make me buy a new Vick jersey.
By Lennie
May 29, 2007 5:10 PM | Link to this
Vick’s dogs won more fights last year than Vick won games with Atlanta—-that’s not good! He needs to train like those dogs do baby!!! Don’t eat for a few days, come out mean and hungry and rip those other teams to shreds!
By L. M. Hull
May 29, 2007 5:11 PM | Link to this
Well, finally I got a ‘rise’ out of one of my comments. I have been trying to sink to the level of you bottom-feeders but I wasn’t holding on to a big enough rock. Now that I am here, do I waste my precious air trading insults with fools or use that air to return to the surface? I’ll opt for the latter. But, as I rise slowly past your ugly face, Mathew, please avail yourself of the opportunity to kiss my arse.
By TheCutMan
May 29, 2007 5:13 PM | Link to this
I LOVE the NFL. Follow it closely and can recognize most any player in the league regardless of position.
Then we have the latest Mike Vick middle finger to the league with his alleged dog fighting ring. This is too much for a longtime NFL fan.
I’ve started to follow the Braves where the biggest current issue is the lack of quality starters. I’m posting comments on the Braves and it’s still far back in the pack of my sporting interest. What does that say about the NFL and VickGate?
By Russ
May 29, 2007 5:15 PM | Link to this
What a sad time for the Falcon franchise. I am glad that we as a society are no longer turning a blind eye to character issues of celebrities such as Mike Vick.
The only people smiling right now are Mora Sr. and Mora Jr.
Mora Sr. is screaming: I told you so !!!
By Lakisha
May 29, 2007 5:16 PM | Link to this
How come all these white racist people come out of the woodwork when there is some false accusation about a black brother, but say nothing when the white folks do much worse, like that falcons player who was home when some chick was raped at his place? The white establishment is just trying to keep the hard working brothers and sisters down.
By Ripdog
May 29, 2007 5:25 PM | Link to this
I guarantee you bandwagon people will be on Vick’s jock in about a year and a half when this blows over. Quit acting all high and mighty. If he wins a couple of playoff games, this will be a distant memory. Hell, Kobe scored over 61 points and took the Lakers to game 7 and his jersey sales went from worst to first. Hmmm, what he do, rape a lady and now he’s back to doing commercials. I’ve even seen blogs on this site asking for us to get Kobe in a Hawks uniform. Vick, keep yo head up and get rid of them dogs. You gonna be alright.