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DEL.ICIO.USBelichick-Brady among NFL’s top duos
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Jeff Schultz
In the moments following San Francisco’s first Super Bowl 25 years ago, coach Bill Walsh said of Joe Montana, “[He] will be the great quarterback of the future.”
As prophetic as that proved to be, it would have been even more accurate to project Walsh-Montana as the greatest coach-quarterback combination the NFL would ever see. Walsh’s scheme and Montana’s cool were the perfect marriage. They won three Super Bowls together over an eight-season span with different supporting casts. And their greatness was balanced by a seeming dependence on each other.
Nobody could match them. Until now.
New England is in the NFL’s final four again. That’s because of coach Bill Belichick and quarterback Tom Brady, and only Bill Belichick and Tom Brady. They already have won three titles. They are 12-1 in playoff games.
A fourth Super Bowl would be the most improbable of all. The Patriots’ defense is largely a continually mutating collection of spare parts. Their offense is a 15-watt bulb on the Las Vegas strip. Win it again, and Walsh and Montana fall into second place.
The problem with Belichick and Brady is they render every excuse meaningless. Other coaches lament injuries or players lost to free agency. OK. So how does Belichick do it? No team has been dented more than the Patriots over the past six seasons.
Other quarterbacks complain about junk-pile receiving corps, or losing a longtime offensive coordinator (like, say, to Notre Dame). OK. So how does Brady do it? He is throwing to Reche Caldwell, Troy Brown and Jabar Gaffney. Jabar Gaffney?
As scientific improbabilities go, how does Gaffney going from being dumped by the Houston Texans to 18 receptions, 207 yards and a touchdown in two playoff games with the Pats rank?
Having covered Walsh and Montana up close in the 1980s, I never believed the two would be matched. Neither did Randy Cross, who played for one and blocked for the other.
“You would have to say they compare favorably,” Cross, now a commentator with CBS, said of Belichick and Brady. “I’m still sort of prejudiced. But I never thought I would see another quarterback that was as money and solid [as Montana]. Now I have. It’s not about stats and that other stuff.”
It’s just about winning. The San Diego Chargers had a better offense this season. They had a better defense. They had the home field Sunday. They had nine players going to the Pro Bowl (to the Patriots’ one: Richard Seymour).
They had the best player in football (LaDainian Tomlinson).
But you looked at Belichick-Brady vs. Marty Schottenheimer-Philip Rivers, and thought, “Hmmm.”
Teams are a reflection of their leaders. The Falcons were inconsistent and prone to emotional ups and downs this season in part because of Jim Mora and Michael Vick.
The Patriots are Belichick and Brady. They are physically and mentally tough. They don’t waver. They are clutch. They are mirror images of their leaders, much like the 49ers were precision and cool with Walsh and Montana.
New England has been like this since early in the 2001 season, when Drew Bledsoe suffered internal bleeding following a hit against the New York Jets and had to be replaced. Belichick, in his second year, called on Brady, an obscure sixth-round pick from the Bay Area. He attended the 1981 NFC title game between San Francisco and Dallas that jump-started Montana’s legacy.
The 49ers won their first Super Bowl with a roster of relative no-names. Most of the stars, particularly on offense, came later. Conversely, the Patriots have lost many of their top players: Ty Law, Lawyer Milloy, Willie McGinest, Deion Branch, Adam Vinatieri, et al. What Belichick and Brady have accomplished in the salary-cap era is remarkable.
Brady wasn’t great in San Diego — only when he had to be. He threw a game-tying touchdown with less than five minutes left. On New England’s next possession, Brady and Belichick noticed the Chargers were in “press” coverage and, on third-and-10, Brady hit Caldwell down the right sideline for 49 yards, setting up the winning field goal.
Now the Patriots travel to Indianapolis. They are three-point underdogs. The Colts have five Pro Bowl players on offense.
But coach Tony Dungy and Peyton Manning have reached the AFC title game only once. That was three years ago, and they lost to New England.
So whom do you like?
TWO GOOD Columnist Jeff Schultz ranks the five best coach-quarterback combos in NFL history:
1. (tie) Bill Walsh-Joe Montana (San Francisco). There has never been a more perfect match between a coach’s offensive system and a quarterback. They won three Super Bowls in eight seasons (1981, ‘84, ‘88) with a varying cast.
1. (tie) Bill Belichick-Tom Brady (New England). Their specialties are on opposite sides of the ball. But their intelligence, toughness and resolve have been unequaled over the past six seasons.
3. Tom Landry-Roger Staubach (Dallas). Like the duos above them, they couldn’t be shaken by any situation or opponent. They went to four Super Bowls over eight years and won two, in an era that was otherwise dominated by the Steelers and Dolphins.
4. Chuck Noll-Terry Bradshaw (Pittsburgh). The blue-collar answer to Landry-Staubach. The Steelers had great defenses, but they needed somebody to run the show — and somebody to throw to John Stallworth and Lynn Swann.
5. Vince Lombardi-Bart Starr (Green Bay). They won the first two Super Bowls and five NFL titles together. The Packers built a machine when others were playing with Legos.
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By Madden King
January 15, 2007 11:27 PM | Link to this
L.T. in the playoffs, 0-2, Vick in the playoffs, 2-2 with a NFC Championship appearence, who got the better of the trade, who would you rather have? I rest my case.
By BirdDawg
January 16, 2007 12:42 AM | Link to this
Jeff,
If you go by Super Bowl wins alone, Noll and Bradshaw should be No. 1.
But, all things being considered, I would have had them at No. 3, definately before Landry and Staubach. And I would have had Lombardi and Starr over Staubach as No 2.
And you know what? I would have had Paul Brown and Otto Graham over Landry and Staubach as well. In fact, I’d have them at No. 1. And it’s not because I hate the Cowboys, it’s all about the titles.
Starr and Lombardi won more than just Super Bowls. They were a dynasty akin to the Celtics of the 60’s. They won tons of NFL Titles (before they played the AFL in the NFL-AFL World Championship Game). And Brown and Graham won 8 or 9 of 10 titles, AAFL and NFL. No one can lay claim to that.
I’m sorry, Jeff, but you should have said “Super Bowl Era” or “Modern Era” or something to that effect.
Heck, Landry lost more Super Bowls than he won. No, your list should look something like this:
Top 5 Coach / QB Duos in Football History
1) Otto Graham and Paul Brown
2) Bart Starr and Vince Lombardi
3) tie: Tom Brady and Bill Belichick
3) tie: Joe Montana and Bill Walsh
5) Terry Bradshaw and Chuck Noll
By Zippety
January 16, 2007 01:04 AM | Link to this
Mike Vick’s name doesn’t even deserve mention on this particular blog. Wait for the great scramblers subject to come up or NFL’s most dim-witted quarterbacks.
By REVEREND RUN
January 16, 2007 01:07 AM | Link to this
The falcons are 40-30-1 with mike vick as the starting QB – including the playoffs (38-28-1 with vick as starter during the regular season). Their record without vick since he was drafted is 9-20. their record without vick starting since 2002 is 3-12.
In the falcon’s 40 wins and one tie with vick as a starter, mike vick has completed 540 passes on 953 attempts for a 57% completion percentage. He has thrown for 6866 yards during those 40 wins and one tie at a 7.2 yards per attempt rate. Mike vick has thrown 51 touchdowns in the 40 starts he has won. MV7 has thrown only 26 interceptions in the 40 starts he has won. Mike Vick’s passer rating in those 40 wins is 85.8. In the falcons’ 40 wins with mv7 as the starter, mv7’s average passing stat line has been 13.2 completions, 23.2 attempts, 168 yards, 1.2 touchdowns, and 0.6 interceptions. Over a 16 game season, vick’s passing performance during those 40 falcons victories would average out to 211 completions, 372 attempts, 2679 yards, 20 touchdowns, 10 interceptions.
In the falcons 40 wins with MV7 as the starting QB, Vick has run 339 times for 2419 yards. In those 40 wins, Vick has averaged 8.3 rushes for 59 yards. In those 40 wins, Vick has scored 17 touchdowns rushing. In those 40 wins, Vick has only lost 11 fumbles. Over a 16 game season, vick’s running performance during those 40 games would equate to 132 rushes for 944 yards, 7 touchdowns, and 4 fumbles lost. So, yes, they are better off when vic runs.
In those 40 falcons wins, vick has been sacked 107 times for a total yards lost of 467 yards. That averages out to 2.6 sacks per victory for vick and 11.4 yards lost per game. Over a 16 game season, that would average out to 42 sacks for 182 yards lost. DARN OFFENSIVE LINE!
During the falcons 30 losses with Vick as the starter, Vick has completed 406 passes for 798 attempts. During those falcons 30 losses, Vick has thrown for 4611 yards. During those 30 losses, Vick has only thrown for 23 touchdowns. During those 30 losses, Vick has thrown 26 interceptions. During those falcons 30 losses, Vick has only completed 51% of his passes. During those falcons 30 losses, Vick has averaged 13.5 completions for 26.6 attempts for 154 yards. Averaging out vick’s passing performance during those 30 losses and figuring out average performance over a 16 game season shows that vick would average 217 completions on 426 attempts for 2459 yards for 12 touchdowns and 14 interceptions. Vick’s average passer rating during those 30 losses is 64.59. Vick’s yards per attempt is 5.78 during those 30 losses. Not very good performance by vick. A lot of fault goes to vick but if you look at all the stats a lot of that goes directly to that DARN OFFENSIVE LINE!
During those falcons 30 losses, Vick has run 190 times for 1354 yards. During those 30 losses, Vick has only run for 3 touchdowns. During those 30 losses, Vick has lost 15 fumbles. Vick’s performance during those 30 losses averages out to 6.2 rushes per game for 45.1 yards per game. You see, when vick runs less, the falcons win a whole lot less. HMMMM. Averaging out Vick’s running performance during those 30 losses over a 16 game season would average out to 101 rushes for 722 yards, 2 rushing touchdowns, 8 fumbles lost.
During the Falcons 30 losses with Vick as the starting QB, Vick has been sacked 105 times for a total lost yardage of 684 yards. That is an average of 3.5 sacks for 22.8 yards lost during the falcons 30 losses. Over a 16 game season, that would average itself out to be 56 sacks for 365 yards lost. DARN DARN DARN OFFENSIVE LINE! The falcons o-line gives up an average of a full sack and 11 yards more in yards lost due to sacks in the 30 losses as opposed to the 40 wins.
In the 40 victories and one tie, Vick’s total yardage (including passing, running, sacks) has been 8818 yards for an average of 215 yards per game and 3441 yards per 16 games. In the 30 losses, the total yardage for Vick has been 5281 yards for an average of 176 yards per game and 2817 yards per 16 games.
In the 40 victories: The Falcons have averaged 63.5 plays. In those 40 victories, Vick has thrown an average of 23.2 times, Vick has been sacked 2.6 times, Vick has run 8.3 times, and the falcons running backs have run 29.4 times.
In the 30 losses: The Falcons have averaged 57.6 plays per game. In the falcons 30 losses, Vick has thrown an average of 26.6 times per games, has been sacked an average of 3.5 times per game, has only run 6.3 times per game, and the falcons RBS have only run 21.2 times.
Mike Vick is clearly not without fault in all of this inconsistency but the O-Line is the biggest problem.
In the 40 victories with Vick, the Falcons RBs (excluding Vick’s rushing stats) have averaged 29.4 rushes per game for 136.1 yards per game. In those 40 victories, the RBs have rushed for 46 touchdowns. In those 40 victories, the RBs have averaged 4.6 yards per carry. Based upon the performance of the running backs during those 40 wins, the running backs would average during the course of a 16 game season, 470 carries for 2178 yards, 18 touchdowns and 6 fumbles lost.
In the 30 losses however, the Falcons RBs (excluding Vick’s rushing stats) have averaged 21.2 rushes per game for 86 yards per game at 4.0 yards per rush. The Falcons RBs have only scored 11 touchdowns in those 30 losses. Based upon the performance of the RBs during those 30 losses, the RBs would average 339 rushes for 1368 yards and 6 touchdowns during the course of a 16 game season.
Vick is clearly far from perfect but the wild discrepancies between the performance of the running backs and Vick when you compare the performance during the 40 wins and 30 losses points directly to the inconsistency of the offensive line. A QB with time in 40 wins completes 57% of his passes. A QB with no time in the 30 losses only completes 51% of his passes. A QB with time only throws 26 INTS in 40 Wins. A QB with no time throws 26 interceptions in 30 losses. A QB with time throws 51 touchdowns in 40 wins. A QB with no time throws only 23 touchdowns in 30 losses. A QB with time has an 85.8 passer rating in 40 victories. A QB with no time has a passer rating of 64.6 in 30 losses. A QB with time fumbles only 11 times in 40 wins. A QB with no time fumbles 15 times in 30 losses. A QB in 40 wins get sacked a pretty awful 2.6 times per game in those 40 wins. A QB with a horribly inconsistent offensive line gets sacked a horrific 3.5 times per game in the 30 losses. In the 40 wins, the QB loses 11.4 yards per game due to sacks. In the 30 losses, the QB loses 22.8 yards per game due to sacks allowed by the horribly inconsistent offensive line. Obviously, the increased number yards being lost due to sacks are caused by QB running for his life trying to make something happen behind the horrible O-Line. In the 40 wins, the RBs run 29.4 times per game for 136 yards per game on 4.6 yards per carry and they rush for 46 touchdowns. In the 30 losses however the RBs running behind an inconsistent offensive line only run 21 times a game for 86 yards a game for 4 yards per carry and they only run for 11 touchdowns in 30 games. Are Vick and the RBs that inconsistent? NO! IT’S THE INCONSISTENT OFFENSIVE LINE STUPID! DARN OFFENSIVE LINE!
The average NFL team in 2006 only ran an average of 62.5 plays a game. The Packers had he most plays per game with 68.2 plays per game. The Saints were next with 67.5. The Falcons had 62.6 plays per game in 2006. The Buffalo Bills had only 55.6 plays per game.
The average NFL team gained 322.5 yards per game in 2006. The Saints were the highest with 391.5 yards per game. The Eagles had 381.4 and the Colts had 379.4. The Falcons averaged 331.9 yards per game in 2006. The Raiders were the pits with an absolutely horrific 246.2 yards per game.
The average NFL team averaged 5.2 yards per play in 2006. Philly gained 6.2 yards per play. The Colts averaged 6.0 and the Saints averaged 5.8 with the chargers and cowboys next at 5.7. The Falcons averaged 5.3 yards per play in 2006. the raiders of course were the worst at 4.2 yards per play.
The average NFL team scored 33.5 offensive touchdowns per game in 2006. The Falcons scored 30 offensive touchdowns in 2006. The Chargers of course led the league with 56 touchdowns. The raiders only scored an absolutely horrific 12 offensive touchdowns this season.
NEEDS FOR 2006: 40 OFFENSIVE TOUCHDOWNS. 5.5 YARDS PER PLAY. 65 PLAYS PER GAME. 25 PASS ATTEMPTS A GAME FOR 175 YARDS PER GAME. 8 RUSHES PER GAME BY VICK FOR 63 YARDS PER GAME. 2 SACKS PER GAME FOR ONLY 8 YARDS LOST PER GAME. 30 RUSHES PER GAME BY THE RBS FOR 140 YARDS PER GAME. THAT SHOULD GET THE FALCONS TO 370 YARDS PER GAME. 22 PASSING TOUCHDOWNS BY VICK. 18 RUSHING TOUCHDOWNS BY THE RBS. THAT SHOULD FIX THE OFFENSE.
BUT THE OFFENSIVE LINE WILL BE THE KEY TO IT ALL AS IT IS FOR EVERY TEAM!
By Najeh Davenpoop
January 16, 2007 02:43 AM | Link to this
Great job, AJC’s online editor, for making this entire page appear in italics. Way to go.
It’s easy to give all the credit to Belichick and Brady for their success. Belichick is a great coach, and Brady is a great player, there’s no doubt about that. But there are a lot of other people who go into making that team work. Scott Pioli, the GM, has consistently found players in later rounds of the draft and in free agency who are underrated, tough, and give 100% effort, and who fit well into the scheme. Many of these unheralded players have become key components to current and past Patriots teams — for example Brady, Troy Brown, and Asante Samuel. He has also had the balls to let go of players who weren’t worth the money they were asking for, while replacing them with cheaper but equally effective alternatives (examples including Lawyer Milloy, Ty Law, Deion Branch, and David Givens). But at the same time, he makes sure he keeps the players who really are hard to replace or irreplaceable to the team, such as Brady, Tedy Bruschi, and Richard Seymour.
And looking at the success of some of these unheralded players like Reche Caldwell in the Patriots’ scheme, it really speaks to not only Belichick but the entire coaching staff. In San Diego Caldwell was inconsistent, ran poor routes, and constantly dropped passes. All of a sudden he ends up in New England, and he leads the team in receiving and makes a key catch in a playoff game. Sure, Brady has something to do with it, but it’s not like Caldwell played for a slouch QB in San Diego — Drew Brees was an MVP candidate this year. Obviously, the coaches in New England were able to correct his shortcomings and maximize his talent. This has been something the Patriots have been consistently able to do with nearly every player over the last few years, and that’s why they are an NFL dynasty. It goes far beyond Brady and Belichick, and really is a reflection of everyone in that organization.
And if you want any more proof that team success goes way beyond a great coach and a great QB, look at Don Shula and Dan Marino. You could make a pretty solid argument that Marino is the greatest QB of all time, and Shula is a top-5 coach of all time. But despite being together for 13 years, they never won a title together.
By Larry
January 16, 2007 06:36 AM | Link to this
Take a look at the makeup of the final four QBs. Similar to the final two last season, you have, with the exception of Grossman, the three smartest, most decisive and most accurate passers in the game in Brady, Manning and Brees. More so, you have the best LEADERS at NFL QB in those three.
Even when Brady and Manning, the best two QBs in the game or having sub par performances, when the game was on the line late in the fourth quarter, they pushed, shoved and willed their teams to victory along with some key passes to sustain those final, game winning drives.
Then we have our tattooed, earrings under his helmet, braided, nose mining aloof, fast guy who can heave a football a long distance imitating an NFL QB for the Atlanta Falcons, while the guy who more closely mimics Brady and Manning at 6’5” is sitting on the bench. Is it truly to anyone’s amazement that Vick is the worst 4th quarter QB in NFL history and clearly the most undesirable NFL QB today to have in the huddle when you need to sustain a drive with some key pass completions in the final two minutes?
Who do you think Belichick would want piloting his offense, Vick or Schaub? Any wonder why? Brains, accuracy, and leadership, that’s why!
The “truth” is best defined by what works. Once again, there will be no earrings under the helmet of a Super Bowl QB. Kind of ridiculous when you think about it isn’t it? Our soon to be 27 year old man and 7 year NFL veteran is so immature and concerned with how he looks that he wears his large diamond earrings under his helmet during a football game. Vick is trying to be an NFL QB, not a corner back or NBA player where intelligence is unnecessary.
Good grief!
By Famuan
January 16, 2007 08:32 AM | Link to this
Larry, stop beating around the bush and just SAY you don’t like Vick because he is a young black man…..stop the meaningless drivel and just say it.
By REVEREND RUN
January 16, 2007 08:51 AM | Link to this
LARRY
YOU ARE SAD
THERE ARE MANY LEGIT WAYS TO CRITICIZE MIKE VICK
HELL I PROVIDED YOU WITH MANY ABOVE
BUT YOu refuse to use facts.
instead you use the good ole i hate the looks of the boy criticism. here’s a question for you larry: if there is so much to criticize about vick why do you repeatedly insist upon basing your entire attack on vick upon his looks and what you perceive his intelligence to be? have you ever thought that when you base your entire vick attack upon looks and your perception of his smarts, that you sound far dumber than you think mike vick is?
pathetic larry!
now go get your crayons larry and go play with your coloring book.
If we are going to judge the moral fiber of the QBs who remain, Larry, let me be retarded for a second and say this:
peyton manning - allegedly sexually harrassed and assaulted a trainer for Tennessee.
drew brees - sued his mother and openly hates his mother.
tom brady - admitted internet porn addict.
rex - party animal, especially on new years.
schaub - arrested for a barroom brawl in the middle of his rookie season. yeah, real responsible!
watch who you are supporting and the reasons for your support larry. the people you have your mancrush on are n different than what the worst you think of mike vick is.
Brady & Manning - all time greats.
Brees - flash in the pan & the 2006 version of Hasselback. he will crash back down to earth next season
Rex- 2006 version of jim mcmahon
By The REAL Tower of Power
January 16, 2007 08:56 AM | Link to this
Davenpoop-for-brains is the sterotypical Vick-head.
That is to say, he/she gives Vick gets ALL of the credit for the “success” of the Falcons.
However, he/she makes Brady’s contributions to the success of the Pats sound purely coincidental.
Brady’s supporting cast at the skill positions has turned over 100 percent since he became the starting QB. NONE of the receivers on this year’s team is anything close to a Pro Bowl performer.
And yet, year after year, Brady gets the job done, no matter who he’s throwing the ball to.
If you can’t see that Brady has that special “something” … the same thing that made Montana one of the greatest players of all time … then you don’t know jack-shiznit about football.
Or you’re a Vick-head … which means you are more interested in style over substance.
BTW, what is Vick’s record over the last two seasons?
By REVEREND RUN
January 16, 2007 08:56 AM | Link to this
can brady really claim that he willed his team to victory when he threw three picks in the game?
can brady really claim he led his team to victory when he threw a pick with 6 minutes left that should have ended the game only to be lucky to have a great teammate like troy brown on his team to help the pats luck their way to victory?
larry, i bet you one million dollars (pinky in the corner of the mouth) that if mike vick ever throws 3 ints in a playoff game but the team wins, that you will jump up and down and say that the falcons won despite mike vick! isn’t that true?
By JoeHistory
January 16, 2007 09:10 AM | Link to this
Marion Campbell and Steve Bartkowski?
By Carroll
January 16, 2007 09:14 AM | Link to this
This is why I wish the Falcoons would have plucked an asisstant coach from NFL pedigree (like from Belicek, Cowher, Parcells or Holmgren). All the great NFL coaches over the last few decades seem to come from the same nucleus of successful NFL Pedigree. Hell I’d rather have Belicek’s ball boy than just about anyone else…anyone who managed to absorb some of that genius is worthy in my mind.
By JoeHistory
January 16, 2007 09:24 AM | Link to this
Dan Henning and David Archer?
By JoeHistory
January 16, 2007 09:25 AM | Link to this
Jerry Glanville and Bobby Hebert?
By Madden King
January 16, 2007 09:30 AM | Link to this
L.T. in the playoffs, 0-2, Vick in the playoffs, 2-2 with a NFC Championship appearence, who got the better of the trade, who would you rather have? I rest my case.
By preston
January 16, 2007 10:33 AM | Link to this
Rev. Run…..finally a voice of reason…I know there are a lot of ignorant , prejudice and racist haters on these blogs…..but man, you are preaching the truth!!!!!
By Darrin "The Vent King"
January 16, 2007 10:38 AM | Link to this
I will have to admit I thought Montana was the best (even though I hate the 49ers) and cool under fire QB I’d ever seen until Brady. The guy can flat out get it done. How many different rcvrs has he had over this span? I think that may actually give the nod to him over Montana because Montana actually had the great Jerry Rice to throw to all those years. Brady has had no one even close to that caliber and is still getting it done. If you like football, it’s hard to hate on what that guy and the Pats accomplishes ever year in the playoffs. Even being a Falcon fan, I have to take my hat off to Brady and gulp!, Bellicheck (not a big fan of his though). That’s some nice football being played there for sure.
By Matthew at the SLC
January 16, 2007 10:41 AM | Link to this
Wow, just looking at these blogs one can see that Vick is a lightening rod, but for all of the wrong reasons.
It isn’t just running QB vs. pocket QB. There really are some racial undertones going on here, and that is very disapointing. Reverand Run is right. What an intelligent use of facts and figures to not only show all of Vick’s strengths as a QB, but also his weaknesses.
Larry, you bring nothing to the table but your own ignorance and hatred. Why do you even bother coming on these blogs, if these are the kind of things that you are going to be saying to other people? Did your mother not teach you one of the tenants that you are to use when conversing with other people? If you have nothing nice to say, than say nothing at all. I guess you missed out on that parenting lesson. Reverand Run uses many articulate ways to describe Vick in his strengths and weaknesses. You use passion, yes, but passion fueled by ignorance and hate.
Why do you do this? Is it a product of your upbringing? Is it a product of geography, or maybe a product of an event that happened in your life to make you this way? Not that I’m really interested, but I find it fascinating that there are still people out there, on both sides of these kinds of disagreements, who think that they can use ignorance to justify their arguments.
Larry, your thoughts and ideas have no place in a civilized discussion. When you decide that you are ready to come out and play well with others, then you will be heard.
Until then, I implore all of you, on both sides of this argument: Do not listen to, or respond to people like Larry; whether it’s people for Larry’s way of thinking or the opposite. Ignorance and hatred have no place in civilazation, or in even in disagreements. We can all agree to disagree, and we can all agree that people like Larry who use ignorance and hatred-fueled passion to make their points should be IGNORED.
So I ask you all, don’t use ignorance and hatred to make your points. Use logic, fact, and intelligence to fuel your passion. Do not become a mindless fanatic like Larry and the people like Larry, no matter what side you’re arguing for or against.
Be civil. Be intelligent. IGNORE people like Larry. If no one responds, than they do not exist. No matter how much he types, or how many times he posts on these blogs, if no one responds to Larry, then he does not exist. Do not let him bait you. That his is aim. Do not lower yourself to a “Larry’s” level. Be better than Larry.
Remember, if we all ignore him, he does not exist.
By ICEMAN
January 16, 2007 11:49 AM | Link to this
What’s with the Italics? This blog is supposed to be about all time great Coach/Quarterback Tandems so I’m not joining in the usual hate/love Vick racial debate. Right now, I say Walsh/Montana. If the Patriots win another Super Bowl I’l say Belichick/Brady.
By chris
January 16, 2007 12:12 PM | Link to this
holmgren/ farve if they had stayed together.
By Magneto
January 16, 2007 12:19 PM | Link to this
How about Mora/Vick? Oh I forgot, They sucked!!
By chris
January 16, 2007 12:20 PM | Link to this
for all the talent MV#7 has he is obviously not THE brightest lightbulb in the room. but when did Shaub all of a sudden have an IQ of 150. people assume he is smarter because he is white
vick dose not have to wright a thesis (no i don’t care if i spelled it right) he just has to run an offense, something he is perfectly able to learn to do
By chris
January 16, 2007 12:22 PM | Link to this
wow this got off subject
By chris
January 16, 2007 12:29 PM | Link to this
FACT AS OF 2007 ME AND SHUAB ARE TIED IN REGULAR SEASON WINS
By ICEMAN
January 16, 2007 12:31 PM | Link to this
chris,
Who are you to say Vick isn’t the brightest light bulb when you can’t even spell. Stay on the subject.
By chris
January 16, 2007 12:49 PM | Link to this
who were all elway’s coaches
By chris
January 16, 2007 12:58 PM | Link to this
Belichick/Brady are the #1 coach quaterback of all time, or at least they will be. brady is only 29 and the Hoodie isn’about to retire. they have at least one more super bowl win in them,if not this year than next.
By Najeh Davenpoop
January 16, 2007 12:58 PM | Link to this
Ah, great to see the idiots come out in full force, both in favor of and against Vick, on a blog that has absolutely nothing to do with Vick.
Tower of Power, have you ever considered reading? Where in my post did I ever mention Vick? Like I said earlier, this article by Schultz has nothing to do with Vick, and neither does my blog response. Maybe you missed the bit about Reche Caldwell? How he sucked in San Diego and has become reliable in New England? Are you trying to say Drew Brees is a bad quarterback too?
By Richard Lillie
January 16, 2007 03:45 PM | Link to this
By Richard: I know that these were long ago and different times but the George Halas- Sid Luckman combo won four NFL titles 1940-46 and the Paul Brown-Otto Graham combo won four AAFC titles and three NFL titles 1946-55. The Browns moved to the NFL in 1950 and played in every championship game while Otto Graham was there 1950-55. They won every AAFC title while that league was in existence. I saw the 1950 game on a friend’s TV. The Packers lost the NFL championship to the Norm van Brocklin led Eagles in 1960 and lost Paul Hornung to a gambling suspension in 1963. They and the Browns were the dominent teams of the 50’s and 60’s. It is ancient history to most I know but I was around for it and it is still meaningful to me. One other important point about the Browns, most of those guys, including the coach, were World War II veterans as were most of the players of that time. I saw Otto Graham play basketball at Colgate University in 1944-45 as he was in the Naval V-12 program.
By I am the decider
January 16, 2007 06:24 PM | Link to this
BirdDawg:
If it is about the titles, Bradshaw and Noll should be above brady/belichick and montana/walsh
Larry:
You’re still an idiot. Shame you didn’t a brain for Christmas.